[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM] [00:00:03] >> IF EVERYONE IS HERE WE WILL CALL TO ORDER THE OCTOBER 15, 2020 REGULAR MEETING. WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> THANK YOU. >> MEMBER HARRISON? >> I AM HERE. >> >> YOU ARE ON MUTE. >> WE WILL NOW RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>> THANK YOU. >> WE WILL, WE DO HAVE SOME BUSINESS TO REPORT. AGENT CONNOLLY HAS RESIGNED FROM THE BOARD SO WE DO NEED TO APPOINT A REGULAR SEAT. I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPOINT TAMMY. >> I SECOND PERIOD. >> ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES. TAMMY, WHEN THEY DID THIS ON ANOTHER BOARD THEY SAID I WAS A REAL BOIL -- REAL BOY. I'M GOING TO CALL YOU A REAL GIRL NOW. >> AS PART OF BOARD BUSINESS I WOULD ASK EVERYONE TOO, TO RATTLE THE CUPBOARDS AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO SERVE ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT IS HELPFUL IF THEY HAVE ARCHITECTURAL BACKGROUND OR CITY BACKGROUND SOMETHING WITH AN EYEBALL. NOT ESSENTIAL BUT HELPFUL. THEY NEED TO LIVE IN THE CITY. I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS. THAT IS IT. >> HAVE A DESIRE. >> HAVE AN INTEREST. FOR THIS UNPAID POSITION. LET'S SEE. WE HAVE TWO ALTERNATES OPEN NOW. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND BECOME A DISCLOSE X PARTAKE COMMUNICATION SPIRIT. >> S MR. HARRISON. >> I HAVE APPRECIATION FOR ANGELA'S WORK. SHE WAS A QUIET VOICE BUT SHE BROUGHT A LOT OF REALITY. >> I WAS GOING TO WAIT UNTIL BOARD BUSINESS. BUT I CAN GIVE THE CONSENSUS NOW. WE CAN SEND HER A NOTE AND THANK HER FOR HER SERVICES. >> I ALSO RECALL SHE HAD A SEVERE ROAD -- STROKE A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK. IT DID NOT LOOK GOOD. >> HE CAME BACK. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE WILL START WITH YOU MIKE. DO YOU HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS THAT YOU NEED TO DISCLOSE? >> >> NO. >> TAMMY? >> I HAD SOMETHING WITH STAFF, PROBABLY WITH TWO CASES. >> YES WE WANT TO HEAR THEM. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. >> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, ABOUT THE DEMO AND ABOUT THE THE ISSUES ON SEVENTH STREET. >> I HAVE NON. >> I TALKED TO STAFF ON ALMOST EVERY CASE. I SPENT TIME ON THE CASE. AND THAT IS IT. OKAY. COUNSEL, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE PROCEDURES INCLUDING THE BARRIER. >> WE HAVE A TOTAL OF EIGHT [00:05:10] CASES WHICH MEANS WE WILL HAVE A QUASI- JUDICIAL HEARINGS AND THE PROCEDURES ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ADOPTED PROCEDURES. FIRST FOR CITY STAFF, WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS. THEY WILL MAKE PRESENTATIONS AND THE APPROPRIATE CASES. THEY'RE MAKING THEIR CASES AND INTRODUCING TESTIMONY INTO THE RECORD. THEY ARE ALLOWED TO CALL WITNESSES BUT I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY. AND WHEN THE APPLICANT AND STAFF IN SPANISH THEY WILL COME TO THE PODIUM AND IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES. SO SOMETIMES WE HAVE ARCHITECTS AND LAWYERS HERE. COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. IT WILL BE A BUSINESS ADDRESS. YOU WILL INTRODUCE TESTIMONY INTO THE RECORD. YOU CAN CALL WITNESSES. IF YOU CALL WITNESSES OR IF YOU DON'T, THEY CAN CROSS-EXAMINE. IF THERE IS SOMETHING AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION YOU ARE NOT LIMITED BY THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU SPEAK AT THE PODIUM AND YOU WILL GIVE TESTIMONY IN THE RECORD. WE WILL HAVE THE CHAIR IN A FEW MOMENTS ADMINISTER AN OATH. THAT WILL LET YOU LET ANYONE SPEAK AND PROVIDE TESTIMONY. YOU WILL STAND AND REPEAT AFTER THE SECRETARY AND THEN YOU WILL BE SWORN IN. YOU WILL SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH. IF THERE IS A DECISION TONIGHT, THAT THE BOARD MAKES, THAN ANYONE WISHES TO APPEAL AND WHEN I SAY A PILL THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT PARTIES THAT CAN APPEAL. ONE IS THE APPLICANT WHO CAN DO IT WITHIN 30 DAYS, TO THE CITY COMMISSION. FOR EFFECTIVE PARTIES THERE IS A PROCESS THAT GOES THROUGH THE CIRCUIT COURT. I WILL LET YOUR ATTORNEYS TELL YOU HOW TO MANAGE THE APPEAL. THAT CAN BE DONE BY AFFECTED PARTIES ONLY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? >> SO ANYONE WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY PLEASE STAND AND BE SWORN IN. >> THAT INCLUDES ANY ATTORNEYS. WE DO SWEAR BECAUSE I JUDICIAL. >> DO YOU SWEAR THE ORAL OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU ARE GIVING WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> I DO. >> AND JUST FOR THE RECORD I WANT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY TESTIMONY PROVIDED BY ANYONE APPEARING VIRTUALLY. >> THANK YOU COUNSEL. >> DIRECTOR. >> WE WILL SWEAR THEM IN WITH THE TIME COMES. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. >> THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO RECOGNIZE. AND THE OTHER IS FROM THE OTHER ARCHITECTS. >> FOR THOSE OF YOU LISTENING ONLINE, WHEN CASES COME UP IF YOU WISH TO TESTIFY, PLEASE SIGNAL US. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS INCLUDED. [2. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES] I HAVE TWO SETS OF MINUTES IN FRONT OF ME. I HAVE THE 16TH OF JULY AND THE 17TH OF SEPTEMBER. I WILL ASK IF BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES AT THIS TIME. >> YES. >> PLEASE IDENTIFY WHICH MINUTES AND WHICH CHANGES. >> IT IS JULY THAT IS FINE. IT IS SEPTEMBER 17. CASE 2020 -- 0004. THERE IS A REFERENCE TO TRACK THE FLOW OF CASES. THAT SHOULD BE CAPITAL TR EXP OR >> IS EVERYONE GOOD WITH THAT? >> ANY OTHER CHANGES? >> I HAD ONE. ON JULY 16, THIS ITEM, TOWARDS THE BOTTOM, IT SAYS, THE VERY [00:10:22] LAST SENTENCE IT SAYS THE BOARD DISCUSSION WAS OPEN. I CAN'T FIND ANY REFERENCE OF WHAT THE REQUEST IS OR WHAT THEY AGREED TO. >> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. >> WE CAN GO BACK AND LISTEN. >> WE WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. WE WILL REVISIT JULY 16 AFTER WE CORRECT THE LACK OF CLARITY. SO CAN I GET A MOTION. >> I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE SEPTEMBER MINUTES. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLE. -- ROLL. >> MEMBER HARRISON, MEMBER MORRISON VICE CHAIR. [3.1 HDC 2020-0021 - JOHN DODD, ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR C. TODD KEMP, 511 ASH STREET] >> WE WILL PROCEED TO OLD BUSINESS. I THINK I SEE JOHN IN THE BACK. THIS IS JACOB. THIS IS JOHN.. >> I WILL STAND UP HERE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ME. >> GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, TONIGHT, THIS IS OLD BUSINESS THIS IS FOR PROPERTY HDC ON 511 ASH STREET. SEEKING APPROVAL OF A CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-STORY SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING AND A ONE-STORY GARAGE. IT IS WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT APPEARED BEFORE THE AUGUST MEETING, THEY REVISED A PLANT AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WAS PROVIDED AT THE MEETING. AND THEN THE STRUCTURES SHIFTED DURING THE PROPERTY LINE SPIRIT OVER MAINTAINING A 25-FOOT SETBACK FROM AN OAK TREE. AS RECOMMENDED BY THEM. THE TWO-CAR GARAGE THAT WAS THERE WAS REMOVED. HERE IS THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE STRUCTURE AND IT SHIFTED AND THE DETACHED STRUCTURE WITHOUT ONE-STORY GARAGE. THIS IS THE DETAILS THAT WERE ASKED FOR TO ENSURE THE PROPERTY LINE DURING AND THROUGHOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PHASED PROJECT. THIS IS A REAL COOL MODEL THAT JOHN PUT TOGETHER. >> IT IS ALWAYS TO -- IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE THIS. WE HAVE THE ELEVATIONS AND THIS IS THE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. AS PART OF THE ANALYSIS, THESE ARE LOCATED IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE STREET. GIVEN THE SOUTH SIDE, THE STRUCTURE IS SETBACK. AS KEEPING WITH THE RECOMMENDATION. [00:15:04] THE DETACHED GARAGE KEEPS WITH TRADITIONAL DESIGN SPIRIT AND SCALES OF THE BUILDING. THIS IS KEEPING WITH THE CARE OF THE DISTRICT. ONE THING THEY DID NOTE, IS THE DRIVEWAY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THIS WILL BE OUTLINED IN THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE AND THE INTERIOR STANDARDS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL THAT THEY REPLACE IT WITH TRADITIONAL MATERIALS AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> WE WILL START WITH QUESTIONS. WE DO HAVE QUESTIONS. >> THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAVE, IN YOUR SYNOPSIS, YOU REFERRED TO THE GARAGE AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. >> THE ZONING DISTRICT IS STILL DETACHED EVEN THOUGH IT IS DETACHED IT IS STILL CONSIDERED A STRUCTURE. >> OKAY. TAMMY? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NONE. >> IF WE COULD LOOK BACK SOME SLIDES TO THE TRUE PROTECTION PLAN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND? SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND IT GIVES ME A CERTAIN LEVEL OF COMFORT. DOES THAT RESONATE WITH YOU TOO. >> THEY ARE COORDINATING THAT PROTECTION AND THAT REVIEW DURING THE PROCESS. THIS IS PEOPLE AT THE JOBSITE. THIS IS WHAT I'M HEARING. WE BACK UP A LITTLE TO THE MEETING. WE WANT THIS WITH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THE DETACHED GARAGE THE NEXT 26 STREET ASPHALT DRIVE WHICH IS ALREADY THERE. SO THAT IS PART OF THE PROCESS. >> ANYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD. >> SO IDENTIFY YOUR FOR -- IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD >> THE OWNER IS MORE EQUIPPED TO IDENTIFY AND TALK TO YOU. >> YOU ARE SWORN IN RIGHT ARE YOU JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS? GREAT QUESTION. WE KNOW YOU TOOK THE BOARD'S COMMENTS TO HEART. AND REALLY INCORPORATED THE DESIGN CHANGE WELL INTO THIS NEW VERSION. I WANTED TO COMPLEMENT YOU NOT ONLY ON THE DESIGN BUT THE PRESENTATION DRAWINGS THAT ADDRESSED A LOT OF MY CONCERNS. SO THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK. >> ESPECIALLY THE TRUE PROTECTION PLAN. WE WILL FIRST START WITH THESE QUESTIONS. >> THERE IS ONE THING WHERE THERE WAS INCONSISTENCIES. HAS THAT BEEN CONFIRMED. >> IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER, GO AHEAD. >> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS ON RECORD. [00:20:10] >> DOES THAT RAISE ANY CONCERNS? >> I KNOW THE LAST MEETING ON MONDAY, WE TALKED ABOUT REMOVING IT FROM THE PREAPPROVED LIST. >> YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE RULES DURING THE PROCESS. THE REASON WAS, THE LACK OF REVEALS. >> CORRECT. THE GLASS IS BASICALLY FLUSHED. THIS IS GIVING IT MORE OF A HISTORIC BOOK. >> THIS IS OUTSIDE A 5-FOOT SO IT SHOULD BE OKAY. BENJAMIN, ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK WE HAD SOME SPECIFIC THINGS WE WERE LOOKING AT. I THINK THE APPLICANT TOOK EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION. IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. PERSONALLY I LIKED THE BREAK IN THE CHIMNEY. BUT IT IS A GREAT PRODUCT TO USE. >> ANY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS? >> NO? >> THANK YOU GUYS. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC MEETING FOR HDC 2020 -- 021. IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK, THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT. SEEING NO ONE. OKAY. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? >> I THINK IT COULD BE DONE. >> I AGREE. >> I HAVE A THUMBS UP FROM TAMMY. DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS STAFF'S COMMENT? >> YES WE DO. I WOULD ASK THAT WE ASKED IF, IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO. >> IN THE DRIVEWAY SECTION WE WERE GOING TO KEEP IT UNDER CONSTRUCTION SO IT DOESN'T TURN INTO A MUD PIT. BUT AT SOME POINT THE DRIVEWAY, I KNOW THERE'S A PROBLEM. THE UNDERSTANDING IS IT STAYS UNTIL THE END OF THE PROJECT. IT WOULD BE FOOLISH TO TEAR IT OUT AND THEN PUT SOMETHING ELSE DURING THE PROCESS. >> DO YOU WANT THE OPTION. >> IN OTHER WORDS YOU WANT TO BE CONSISTENT IS WHAT WE ARE SAYING. IF SOMEONE IS MAKING NOTES, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS WOULD BE APPROVED SO WE CAN TIME IT AND MAKE SURE FOR THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO SO THIS WOULD BE TIED TO THE PAPER DRIVE. >> BUT THE LANDSCAPING IS USUALLY TOWARDS THE IN OF THE PROJECT. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE MORE DAYS BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO GET MOVED IN. I DON'T WANT TO GET BULLDOZERS AND A CREW, IT WILL BE REMOVED BUT I THINK IF THIS IS TIED UP. >> I WANT TO GIVE THEM FLEXIBILITY. >> CAN I GET CLARIFICATION ON [00:25:04] THE CASE NUMBER. I SEE SOME. >> I HAVE 21. >> IT IS 0021. >> IT SAYS 0021. 0021. >> THANK YOU FOR CHECKING. >> IS THERE SOMEONE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION? I DO WANT FLEXIBILITY ON THE TIMING BECAUSE I KNOW HE WILL DO THE RIGHT THING AGAIN. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION. >> THINK YOU BENJAMIN. >> I MOVED TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER 2020 -- 0021 WITH THE CONDITION THAT, THE SERVICE LEADING TO THE DRIVEWAY BE REPLACED, WITH CONCRETE, PAVERS, CONCRETE OR PAVERS PRIOR TO THE FINAL CERTIFICATE BEING ISSUED TO THE OWNER. AND THEY'D MAKE THE LIST PART OF THE RECORD. AS PRESENTED WITH THE STANDARD APPROVAL. >> I WILL SECOND PERIOD. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PERIOD BENJAMIN, WOULD YOU WANT TO, REMOVE THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENT APPROVAL REQUIREMENT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT,. >> WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. >> I TAKE BACK MY CONCERN. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> YES THERE IS. BENJAMIN, YOU SAID THIS WAS A POSITIVE ALTERNATIVE. WE WANT TO PROVIDE THIS SPIRIT AND WORK WITH THE PRODUCTS APPROVED IN THE CONCRETE AND THE PAVERS ARE CONSIDERED TO BE USED. SO USING THIS ON THE DRIVEWAY, SO I THINK, REGARDLESS, EITHER ONE WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. AND I THINK IT WOULD HAVE STAFF APPROVAL ANYWAY. >> MY POINT IS,. >> THE CITY HAD A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND THEY WILL BE REQUITED TO SHOW THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SOMETHING. >> WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO, PROTECT THE TREE? >> OKAY, I AM IN THE WRONG ONE. >> >> I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THE MOTION ON THE TABLE, IS TO HAVE THE CONDITION ON THE COA THAT WOULD PERMIT THEM FROM GETTING A BUILDING PERMIT UNTIL THEY HAVE THE PAVERS. >> DID YOU CATCH THAT BENJAMIN, THE WAY WE STRUCTURE THE MOTION, THEY COULD NOT GET A BUILDING PERMIT UNTIL THEY GET OUT CONCRETE GUIDELINE. >> >> LET ME TRY TO HELP. AFTER, IT HAS TO HAVE THIS AND I'M LOOKING TO JACOB, IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE THIS? SO THE MOTION IS FINE. TAKE OUT THE COA THIS HAS TO BE REPLACED. THIS IS AFTER THE CERTIFICATE IS ISSUED. DOES HE NEED TO REMAKE THAT? >> HE CAN JUST SAY HE IS AMENDING IS MOTION. >> AMENDED AND ACCEPTED. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [00:30:21] >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WE ARE MOVING ON. WE WILL TALK ABOUT TALK ABOUT [Items 3.2 & 3.3] 2020 -- 0006 AND 0019 TOGETHER BUT WE WILL VOTE ON THEM SEPARATELY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO GET DIRECTION ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED. THE APPLICANTS ARE STILL SEEKING A VARIANCE FROM THE 8-FOOT FENCE SO THE VARIANCE ITSELF,. >> HAVE THE STAFF PRESENT EACH CASE SEPARATELY. SO THIS HAS A FEW OPTIONS. THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A SEPARATE DEAL. DO WE CONSIDER THAT SEPARATE? >> I WILL DEFER TO YOU. DO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS,. >> THIS IS GOOD. LEAD US ON. >> JUST A RECAP ON WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE AUGUST MEETING. THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF HEIGHT IS 6 FEET. THEY ARE REQUESTING AN 8-FOOT FENCE ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. STAFF WAS UNABLE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST WHILE THE CORE DOOR WAS HERE UNLESS IT WOULD OF ALLOWED AN 8-FOOT FENCE. ALL OF THE CITIES HAVE MAXIMUM HEIGHTS. AND EVEN THE EIGHTH STREET ZONING DISTRICT DOES NOT HAVE A PROVISION FOR THE 8-FOOT FENCE AT THIS TIME. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS? >> DID WE GET ANY GOOD PICTURES OF THAT. >> WE DID GET SOME PICTURES. >> WHAT DOES THIS BACK UP TO AGAIN? >> IT BACKS UP TO A VACANT LOT. >> SO THAT COULD BE ANY COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT. >> . I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP ON THE MAP AS WELL. I GUESS IT WOULD HELP IF I SHARED MY SCREEN. >> I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION. JUST SO I'M CLEAR AND IT IS HARD FOR ME TOO HEAR. THE ONLY THING THAT THEY ARE SEEKING A VARIANCE FOR IS THE FENCE. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> AS WITH ALL VARIANCES. WE HAVE TO ANALYZE STAFF WAS UNABLE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND COULD NOT FIND ALL OF IT. WE HAVE TO DENIED THE REQUEST AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS. >> I'M JUST CURIOUS. I'VE BEEN BY THIS PROPERTY SINCE WE LOOKED AT IT LAST TIME. >> CANNOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? >> YES BRING UP THE APPLICANT PLEASE. [00:35:02] MARK IF YOU WOULD IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. >> MY NAME IS MARK AIKINS. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> SO, BENJAMIN, ANY QUESTIONS. NO. >> I KNOW LAST TIME WE HEARD THIS I WAS PERPLEXED THERE WASN'T ANY COMPELLING REASON GIVEN TO THE BOARD FOR WHY THIS WAS BEING ASKED BEING ASKED FOR. I'M JUST CURIOUS AS THAT CHANGED. WHAT IS THE REASONING YOU ARE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL 2 FEET? >> I THOUGHT WE ADDRESS THAT. FORGIVE ME IF WE DIDN'T COMPLETELY. AS I UNDERSTAND, THEY PERMIT THE INSTALLATION OF AN 8-FOOT FENCE AND THEY WANT IT TO BE INSTALLED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE FENCE HOWEVER, THE QUALITY AND CARE OF THE FENCE, IN ORDER TO CONFIRM TO THE HOME AND PROVIDE A BEAUTIFUL ENVIRONMENT, THEY WANT TO DETERMINE THAT AND MAINTAIN THE FENCE. SO, A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY COULD STEP UP AND PUT IN, I THINK THE RESTRICTIONS ARE LOW. SO WE MAY END UP HAVING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. >> CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. SUSAN AND I OWNED THE PROPERTY, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY SEVERAL TIMES, WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE WHO MAY COME OVER THE FENCE. IT SEEMS TO BE A PASSAGEWAY THAT DEVELOPED OVER TIME. PEOPLE WOULD CUT THROUGH. SO WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE VACANT LOT AND THAT THAT SEEMS TO BE A CONVENIENT WAY TO TAKE A SHORTCUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BASED ON THAT, WE EXPLORED THE POSSIBILITIES OF GETTING A HIGHER FENCE, GIVEN THAT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT. >> BOARD MEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. O'DONNELL, SO YOU SAID, CURRENTLY YOU HAVE HAD PEOPLE COME THROUGH THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE FENCE. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> WHAT SIZE AND HEIGHT AND CONDITION? >> IT IS A WOOD BOARD FENCE, SOLID CONSTRUCTION AND 6 FEET HIGH. >> AND PEOPLE ARE CLIMBING OVER IT? >> YES. >> THANK YOU. THEY CONTINUED TO KNOCK BOARDS DOWN AND CLIMBED THE FENCE. THEY FIND OUT WHERE THE VISITATION -- VEGETATION IS FOR THE TREE. >> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM, WITH THE COMMERCIAL PART, WOULD THIS BE AVAILABLE? >> THE DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR EIGHT-FOOT FENCES, SPECIFICALLY IT SHOWS IT WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR SPLIT RAIL, PRIOR TO THAT, THEY COULD HAVE PUT OF A SOLID WOOD FENCE. >> GUY GOT IT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU GENTLEMEN, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC PORTION. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT THE EIGHT-FOOT PRIVACY FENCE AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. IS THERE ANYONE HERE OR ONLINE? >> NOT THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF. [00:40:01] WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVED TO BOARD DISCUSSIONS. AND THIS TAKES FOUR VOTES TO PASS RIGHT? >> YES. >> WHAT ARE WE THINKING? >> I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR 8 FEET. >> OKAY, I'M STRUGGLING WITH IT TOO. IT'S CONCERNING FOR THE MODEL ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT'S HARD FOR ME TOO JUSTIFY THEIRS A UNIQUE HARDSHIP EVEN THOUGH I AM SYMPATHETIC TO THE SITUATION OF PEOPLE CLIMBING OVER THE FENCE. PERHAPS, BEING ABLE TO USE NEW MATERIAL, AND BEING ABLE TO HELP ERIC I'M NOT SEEING THE JUSTIFICATION. >> I FEEL LIKE, I FEEL LIKE THAT AS WELL. I JUST PULLED UP A PHOTO. THIS IS A TICKET SO THEY DO LOOK LIKE THEY ARE READY TO KNOCK OUT. I FEEL LIKE BENJAMIN SAID IF IT HAD BETTER MATERIAL, THAT WOULD SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. >> I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD. >> PRESERVATION PLANNER. >> STAFF LEVEL APPROVAL. OKAY. >> WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? TAMMY IS WORKING ON IT. EACH CASE DOES NOT SET A PRECEDENT. NEIGHBORS WOULD LOOK TO THIS AND SAY, HE DID IT, I WANTED. AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IS THE MESSAGE WE WANT TO SEND INTO DOWNTOWN. >> OKAY, IS THIS THE RIGHT NUMBER. >> ZERO ZERO SIX. I'VE MOVED TO DENY CASE NUMBER HD CV 2020 -- 0006. AND I MOVE THAT THE CASE AS PRESENTED IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. >> ANY DISCUSSION? >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL FOR CARE JUST SAY YES TO DENY MOVING ON HDC 2020 -- 0019. THIS IS THE RENOVATION OF THE TWO-STORY ADU INCLUDING THE FRONT PORCH ADDITION AND THE NEW FOUNDATION. YOU MAY SPEAK. >> THANK YOU THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL FOR NEW FOOTING AND FOUNDATION ON A SECOND STORY PORCH ADDITION AND REPLACING THE GARAGE DOORS AND PAINTING. THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, ARE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES TO THE CITY'S DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. TSAO HAS PROVIDED A GOOD AMOUNT OF THE HISTORY. I WILL NOT READ IT INTO THE RECORD. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL FOR A SECOND STOREFRONT REPLACING FOOTING FOR DRAINAGE. AND REPLACING THE GARAGE DOORS. >> WE HAVE THE MAP. THIS IS THE ACCESSORY DWELLING HERE THIS IS ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. THIS ALSO INCLUDED ANOTHER PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT HAD [00:45:13] PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WAS A GARAGE AND IS LISTED AS A CONTRIBUTING -- CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. THE STRUCTURE SITS EIGHT-FOOT OFF OF THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT OFFERS NEW ADDITIONS TO BE LOCATED WHERE THEY ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. AS PART OF THE UPDATED PLANS AND THE OCTOBER UPDATE THE APPLICANT AS PROVIDED A REVISED PROPOSAL WHICH WAS PART OF THE FIRST REQUEST GIVING THAT IT WAS AN OVERSIGHT. THE ROOF WAS REMOVED IN FRONT OF THE DECK. STILL, THE WORK IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC GUIDELINES. THIS IS IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINE. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE OUTLINED HOW THIS DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS INCLUDING NUMBERS ONE THROUGH NINE. AND I WILL BRING UP THE PLANS IN A SECOND WHICH WILL INCLUDE THOSE WITH THE DECK. AND THE PROPOSAL SHOWS, THE FOUNDATIONS BEING RAISED. >> JUST THE FOUNDATION. AND ALL OF THAT. IT IS MORE THAN THE FOUNDATION. >> OPTION B. YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST CHOICE. THE OPTION INCLUDES A STONE WALL, AND NEW GARAGE DOORS AND EXTERIOR WALLS. AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FENCE ON THE PROPERTY LINE. STAFF FINDS THE ACTION AS PRESENTED, STAFF FINDS, THE REQUEST ACTION IN OPTION B, IS CONSISTENT WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF OPTION B WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, OUTLINED A THROUGH F RADIO. THE ORIGINAL GARAGE DOORS ARE TO REMAIN. THE WOOD TO BE USED WITH MATERIALS ONLY NECESSARY AND BE PAINTED WITH THE COLORS HERE. A SIX-FOOT BOARD, ON THE EAST PROPERTY LINE. THE SIX-FOOT BOARD WILL BE ON THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE. AND THAT THE HVAC UNIT SHOULD BE SCREENED WHAT REMAINED IN THE SAME PLACE. IF IT IS MOVED HAS TO STILL HAVE THE CITY REQUIREMENTS FOR. >> GO AHEAD MR. HARRISON. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GOING TO QUESTION YOUR RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF OPTION B PL SHOP TO SEE WE ARE SPECIFYING THE COLORS. >> AND I GIVE CREDIT TO BETH STAPP, I'M NOT SURE THOSE ARE JUST THE REQUESTED COLORS. SO THAT'S NOT REALLY A COMPOSITION OF OUR VISIT? >> ONCE WE APPROVE IT, WE APPROVE YOUR. [00:50:01] >> LET'S MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT INSISTING ON A CERTAIN COLOR. >> I AGREE WITH YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. JOHN OPTION B, IF THEY DO THE NEW FOUNDATION, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE? THAT WAS PART OF THE INITIAL CONVERSATION. >> I'M NOT CERTAIN, I'M WONDERING OF THE CONDITIONS WITH THE GARAGE DOORS. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN REPLACED. IS IT JUST FOR SET OF DOORS IS THAT THE INTENT TO KEEP THOSE DOORS? DO WE KNOW? THEY DON'T LOOK AT IT. >> I DON'T THINK THEY ARE ORIGINAL, BUT THAT WAS PART OF WHAT WE ADDED AS THE CONDITIONS HERE. >> THEY ACTUALLY LOOK BETTER THAN THE ONES THAT ARE THERE. IF WE GO BACK IN TIME, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE. I JUST QUESTION THAT. WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> ANY FOLLOW-UPS? ARE YOU GOOD? >> I THINK IT IS A CONFUSING SET OF DOCUMENTS BUT I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW ALONG. >> I GIVE CREDIT TO STAFF AND THE APPLICANTS. WE PUSH BACK ON THE STRUCTURE. SO, I'M NOT GOING TO CRITICIZE THEM FOR BEING THOUGHTFUL. >> ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD JUST ASK IF YOU ARE ABLE TO SHOW US OPTION A ELEVATION SO WE CAN JUXTAPOSE IT. >> THIS WAS THE PROPOSAL AFTER THE AUGUST MEETING, REMOVING THE ROOF. STILL ELIMINATING THE DOOR ON THE FIRST FLOOR. STILL ADDING A SINGLE DOOR ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO ACCESS THE DECK. >> STILL KEEPING THIS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. MAINLY REMOVING THE ROOF PORTION AND CHANGING THE FRENCH DOORS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, COMPARED TO OPTION B WHICH IS MAINTAINING THE STAIRS AND NOT ADDING THE DECK. THIS SHOWS THE NEW GARAGE CARRIAGE DOORS. >> PRESUMABLY THE GARAGE DOOR IS COMING OFF TO BE REUSED? >> POSSIBLY, I WOULD LET THE APPLICANT ANSWERED THE QUESTION. >> OKAY. MOVING ON, YES, SIR? >> WHAT WAS THE OPTION. >> WE WILL LET MARK ANSWER THE QUESTION. SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE APPLICANT BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION. CARRIAGE DOORS. I COULD NOT FIND THEM IN THE GUIDELINES. AM I MISSING SOMETHING QUITE I DON'T THINK THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT BUT IT WOULD'VE BEEN A CARRIAGE STYLED DOOR. >> IN OTHER READINGS, SOME HAVE TOLD US THEY WANTED TO SEE CARRIAGE DOORS. >> THE ROLLUP DOORS ARE MORE MODERATE. >> BUT THE GUIDELINES DON'T SPECIFY? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WE WILL GO AHEAD AND SEE [00:55:05] MR. AIKEN AND MR. O'DONNELL. >> AND I APOLOGIZE, WILL YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. >> I'M HONOR OF THE PROPERTY. I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS, SOME CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONDITION. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> YOU GOT A VISUAL OF THE GARAGE. WHEN IT RAINED HARD THIS LAST STORM, THERE WAS REMAINS OF A PUZZLE INSIDE OF THE GARAGE. AND THAT IS WHAT HAS RESULTED IN THE ROCK. THE GARAGE DOORS, SUCH AS THEY ARE, HAVE FALLEN OFF OF THE RAIL AND CRACKED IN HALF. ANY IDEA OF REUSING THEM ARE NOT ON THE TABLE. >> DID HE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> WHAT I HEARD WAS THE GARAGE DOORS ARE NOT REUSABLE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. O'DONNELL OR MR. AIKEN? >> CAN YOU ADDRESS HOW YOU WILL TAKE UP THE EXTRA HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING AND WHERE THAT WILL BE VISIBLE? >> THE SITE OVER, WE FIGURE OVER TIME, THE MANY YEARS THIS HAS BEEN HERE, WITH ALL OF THE DEBRIS YOU HAVE ORGANIC MATTER, IT ESSENTIALLY PUT THIS PLACE IN A WHOLE OF ITS OWN. SO THE SITE WILL BE REGRADED. IT'S NOT SEVERE. I THINK WE LIST AND OUR DRAWINGS, I THINK IT IS 8-12 INCHES. AND THE SITE WILL BE GRADED ACCORDINGLY. SO THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING SHOULD NOT CHANGE. >> SO THE DIRT, IN THE HOUSE WITH LIFT AND IT WOULD ALLOW IT TO DRAIN. >> SO NO STEM WALL, 8-12 INCHES. >> I RECKON WE WILL SEE 4-6 INCHES OF THAT EXPOSED. AS LITTLE AS WE CAN EXCEPT IN THIS ONE WE ARE LIFTING WE ARE LIFTING THE HOUSE. IN SPEEMAC WE ARE NOT LIFTING THE HOUSE WE ARE SIMPLY PROVIDING THE FOOTING AND FOUNDATION. WHAT THAT DOES, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH HOW WE DO THIS. ESSENTIALLY WE END UP CREATING A WALL, IF THAT'S NECESSARY THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO GET THE BOTTOM PLATE OF THE FRAMING UP AND OUT OF THE DIRT. IT WILL STILL BE A CHALLENGE, BUT WE CAN HANDLE SOME OF THAT. I WILL SAY MR. O'DONNELL, AND YOU MAY SPEAK TO THIS, YOU MAY DECIDE AFTER THE FACT, I WOULD LIKE TO RAISE OPTION B LIKE WE DID IN OPTION A. I WOULD ASK THAT WE BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT IN EITHER CASE. IT MAY BE THE CASE IF WE LOOK AT OPTION B, WE WILL CREATE A POOL AND THERE'S NO WAY TO GET ENOUGH GRADE AWAY FROM THE ENTRY TO THE GARAGE. >> DO WE HAVE A HEIGHT ON THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW? I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED AROUND THE STRUCTURE. DO WE HAVE A HEIGHT RIGHT NOW? >> I THOUGHT WE DID IN THE DRAWINGS. >> I DID TOO BUT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING IT. >> THE 25 WILL BE THE FINAL PERIOD WE ARE CLOSE TO THAT NOW. I THINK WE ARE JUST UNDER IT. THE INTENT IS TO SHOW WHEN THE [01:00:01] FINAL PRODUCT IS DONE WE WON'T BE UNDER 25 FEET. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. >> YOU CAN TELL FROM THE STREET, YOU CAN SEE. THIS IS BELOW GRADE. >> ONE OTHER CONSIDERATION BETWEEN THE TWO OPTIONS. I GUESS WE HAVE HEARD THAT THEY WERE SHORTER IN THE OLD DAYS. THE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE DOOR, IS SUCH THAT WE CAN'T DRIVE OUR CARS INTO IT. PART OF IT IS IF WE DON'T LIFT THE STRUCTURE WE PUT THE NEW SLAB MEN, SO THAT WE CAN USE THE GARAGE,. >> I HAD ONE IN THE PROCESS -- I HAVE ONE OF THOSE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. O'DONNELL OR MR. AKINS? >> THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. >> I WOULD LIKE, REALLY QUICKLY BEFORE I LEAVE. READING REALLY QUICKLY IF I MAY FROM THE INTERIOR STANDARDS GUIDELINES, OR REHABILITATING HISTORIC BUILDINGS. IT STARTS OFF WITH A SUMMARY. IT IS DEFINED AS THE ACT OF MAKING POSSIBLE THE COMPATIBLE USE FOR PROPERTY THROUGH REPAIR ALTERATIONS, WHILE PRESERVING FEATURES THAT ARE HISTORICAL. THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS GIVES A COMMITTEE SUCH AS THIS THE GREATEST LATITUDE IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN BE ACHIEVED. THIS IS WHAT THEY CAN DO TO THEIR PROPERTY. I HAVE READ THROUGH JAKE'S ANALYSIS OF THIS. NUMBER NINE ON THIS, NEW ADDITIONS OR RELATED NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL NOT DESTROY HISTORIC MATERIALS THAT CHARACTERIZE THE PROPERTY. THE NEW WORK WILL BE DIFFERENTIATED FROM THE OLD COMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC MATERIALS. I GUESS THE MAIN POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS, ADDITIONS ARE IN NEW USES AND SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED AND PERMITTED WITHIN THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS OR HISTORIC PROPERTIES. WITH RESTRICTIONS, I UNDERSTAND. I SUBMIT, AND WE SUBMITTED A PROJECT THAT WE FEEL MEETS THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND GUIDELINES OF THE SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP AND THE MATERIALS OF THE PROPERTY. WHETHER WE ARE OPTION A OR OPTION B. I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT. >> THANK YOU MARK. YOU CAN CERTAINLY READ IT THAT WAY. AND SO WE WILL MOVE ON, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS. WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. AND I AM TALKING ABOUT CASE 202. DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK. >> IS THERE ANYONE ON THE LINE COUNCIL? >> COME UP SIR, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MONTE STEWART. I AM AT 211 SOUTH CENTER. >> WHEN I LOOK OUT OF MY WINDOW I'VE SEEN THIS FOR 25 YEARS. I HAVE SEEN FOUR PEOPLE MOVE IN-AND-OUT AND NOTHING GET DONE OVER THERE. THE PURPOSE OF ME BEING HERE IS TO GIVE YOU THE EXCITEMENT AND JOY I HAVE THAT A FAMILY IS COMING HERE AND THEY ARE GETTING AFTER IT. I UNDERSTAND THE NOISE COMING FROM ACROSS THE STREET. I KNOW THE FENCE WILL CUT DOWN THE NOISE AND WE HAVE MOVED ON FROM THERE. I ALSO WANT TO SAY HI TO ELEANOR COLEMAN. LAST TIME I WAS HERE, SHE WAS OUR FORMER MAYOR. THAT'S IT, I AM EXCITED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. I MET MY NEW NEIGHBORS. I HAVE SEEN WHAT THEY ARE DOING. WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN IS PRETTY [01:05:01] AMAZING. >> WHICH HOUSES YOURS? >> THE LITTLE WHITE TWO-STORY HOUSE. FAIRBANKS IS HERE. YOU CAN PULL IT UP AND POINT IT OUT. DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> AND THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE WORK YOU DO MAKING THIS A BETTER CITY. >> THANK YOU. WE DON'T GET KIND WORDS VERY OFTEN. >> WILL YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. >> WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD? >> I WANT TO SAY I DO LIKE THIS MODEL WITH THE SIDE PORCH AND STEPS. THEN THE PORCH ACROSS THE TOP. THAT LOOKS LIKE AN EARLIER TIME. WHEREAS NOW IT LOOKS LIKE A GARAGE THAT WAS THROWN TOGETHER IN THE 40S. IT IS NOT GOOD. AND I TOO, WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE 8-FOOT FENCE BUT WE DID NOT SPEAK UP SOON ENOUGH. THE PEOPLE ARE COMING INTO OUR YARD, NOW ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS CONTACT THE OWNER OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND OFFERED TO BUILD A FENCE. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. >> WOULD SAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM? >> YES. ON THE OTHER SIDE. THEY ARE COMING AT NIGHT AND ALL TIME OF THE DAY. >> THEY LIVED NEXT DOOR. WE ARE ALL HERE TO SUPPORT THEM BECAUSE THEY WORKED SO HARD ON THIS. YOU CANNOT IMAGINE THE TIME THEY PUT IN DESIGNING AND TRYING TO GET THIS. >> WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. IT'S AN INCREDIBLE THING THAT YOU DO. >> WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT. >> OKAY, ANYONE ELSE? >> THANK YOU ALL. YOU WISH YOU COULD CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND KEEP AN EYE ON IT. WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS. >> WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? >> I WILL START WITH ONE ITEM. I'M LOOKING AT THE LAST PHOTO. >> THIS IS WHEN THE BUILDING DONE. WE CAN DISREGARD THE CONDITION OF KEEPING THE EXISTING DOORS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ORIGINAL. IT IS ACTUALLY TWO HANDS. I KNOW WE CAN SPECIFY, OUTDOORS. SO YOU CAN HAVE THIS BUT THEY HAVE THE STYLE DOORS AND THAT SATISFIES THE CONCERN. ONE THING I WANT TO SEE, IF THIS WAS ON PLAN B I DON'T REMEMBER. MY THOUGHT IS, I LIKE OPTION A. I THINK IT IS A GOOD PLAN. I STRUGGLE WITH THE FACT THAT I FEEL LIKE WE ARE LOSING THE HISTORY. THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE 40S. BUT AND IT HAS REALLY BASIC AND SIMPLE DESIGNS TO IT. HAVING THE STAIRCASE ON THE EXTERIOR PLACES THIS NEW LOOK. FROM THE HISTORIC SIDE, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH LOSING THE FRONT [01:10:03] DOOR AND THE STAIRS THAT WERE THERE. I FEEL LIKE WE ARE CHANGING THE LOOK ON THE STRUCTURE AND THE FUNCTION AND EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE BUILDING. >> YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? >> I AGREED WITH WHAT TAMMY SAID. I'M TORN TOO, I FEEL LIKE ON ONE HAND, WHEN WE BUY PROPERTIES, ARE WE BUYING THE PROPERTY, THE WAY IT IS OR TO MAKE IT WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE. AND OPTION A. >> , WHAT THE APPLICANT TALKED ABOUT, IS VERY APPROPRIATE, IT LED TO MY INTERPRETATION OF WHAT OUR JOB IS TO DO AN HOUR RESPONSIBILITY. WE DON'T WANT TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM ADDING ON FOR MAKING MODIFICATIONS OVER TIME,. >> WHEN THINGS ARE CHANGED, THEY STILL DO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE DESIGN. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, IN OPTION A. >> , IS THERE A REASON WHY THE FRONT DOOR, ON THE FIRST FLOOR WHICH TAMMY POINTED OUT IS INTEGRAL TO THE DESIGN. >> LET ME ASK, WE HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. >> SO IT IS DIFFICULT TO APPRECIATE WHY WE REQUESTED THIS. SHE IS FUSED FROM SCOLIOSIS SURGERY. SO GOING UP THE STEEP STAIRS, ON THE INTERIOR IS A PROBLEM THAT IS WHY WE WANTED THE LANDING. >> TO BE CLEAR, MY QUESTION, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF THE NEW STAIRS BEING ADDED AND I DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE STAIRS ON THE INSIDE BECAUSE THAT IS OUTSIDE OF OUR PERMIT MY QUESTION IS DOES THE DOOR NEED TO BE BLOCKED? >> THE REASON I ASKED, IF YOU DO THAT OPTION A, IF YOU USE OPTION A, THE INTEGRITY OF THE EXISTING HOUSES MAINTAIN THEIR YOUR ADDING AN ADDITIONAL DOOR OF THE SECOND FLOOR BUT I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT WE DON'T WANT TO ALTER WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY. THESE COULD BE REMOVED AT A FUTURE DATE? SURE, THEY COULD BE REMOVED. >> MR. HARRISON, ANY THOUGHTS OR CONCERNS? >> NO, I'M JUST AS COMPLEX AS EVERYONE ELSE. >> I CONCUR WITH BENJAMIN. I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE SAME ISSUES I LIKE THE DETAILING ON THE SCALE AND OPTION A, BUT OUR STRUGGLE WITH THE DOOR ON THE FIRST FLOOR BECAUSE I FEEL THAT IS PART OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. I PERSONALLY WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF OPTION A WHERE THE DOOR REMAINS ON THE FIRST FLOOR ALSO REGARDING THE GARAGE DOOR, BY THE TIME THEY RAISED UP BUILDING , THERE'S NO WAY THOSE THINGS WILL BE SATISFACTORY. [01:15:05] >> I DON'T STRUGGLE WITH THESE DECISIONS. I THINK THIS BUILDING HAS A UNIQUE CHARACTER JUST WHAT IS UNIQUE, OR HAVE GOODS OWN ROOF, SO, I AM NOT SUPPORTIVE OF, CHANGING THE STRUCTURE. BUT I LIKE THE STRUCTURE AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MAINTAIN. THIS WAS MANUFACTURED INTO THE 1950S AND IT IS REALLY COOL WITH LITTLE HARD TO MATCH THESE DAYS. BUT, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE, WITH SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. WHAT I DID HERE, RETAINING THE DOOR IS ESSENTIAL. IF YOU PUT IN A DECK YOU WILL LOSE THE ROOF THAT CURRENTLY FRAMES THE DOORWAY. YOU WILL TAKE AWAY THAT ELEMENT. SO I AM NOT SUPPORTIVE OF A DECK. THAT IS ME. >> I WANT TO ADDRESS THE SECOND FLOOR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON A OR B? THE BUILDING NEEDS TO GET UP OFF OF THE GROUND WITH A NEW FOUNDATION. >> UNDER THE CONDITIONS OF STAFF RECOMMENDATION THEY HAVE THINGS WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED YET. WE TALKED ABOUT THE PAY DO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT? YES, THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN A MOTION. HELP ME OUT HERE SOW WITH THESE CONDITIONS, IF WE DID NOT ADDRESS THEM SINCE THEY ARE IN THE APPLICATION THEY WOULD CARRY OVER. WOULD THOSE ITEMS, WOULD THEY BE COVERED. >> FENCING IS INCLUDED. THE HVAC, THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION, THERAPIST GETTING REMOVED HAS TO BE COMPLIANT SO I AM RELUCTANT TO HOLD THEM TO A STANDARD THAT IS IN AN UNUSUAL LOCATION. HAVING SAID THAT, IT HAS TO BE LOCATED SOMEWHERE. I WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO FEEL LIKE THEY COULDN'T MOVE IT BECAUSE IF THEY DID THEY COULD NOT PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. THAT SEEMS KIND OF FOOLISH. BUT THE DOOR HAS TO GO. THE SIDING SHOULD BE USED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I WOULD ADDRESS THE PAINTING OF THE FENCING. >> WHAT ARE YOU APPROVING? >> TAMMY, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU THINK YOU COULD TRY? STAND SURE. >> I MOVED TO APPROVE HDC 2020 -- 0019 APPROVING OPTION B WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT, CAN I SAY WE USE STYLE DOORS AS A REPLACEMENT? >> YES. >> THE PROPOSALS TO DOOR, WHICH IS CONSISTENT. >> THERE IS A PROPOSED DOOR ON THE APP. YOU DON'T HAVE TO CALL IT OUT IT'S ALREADY IN THE APPLICATION. [01:20:01] >> WITH THE CONDITION THAT IT IS ONLY UTILIZED -- THAT'S IT, I MOVED TO THAT THE AGENCY SAY THAT CASE 2020 -- 019 IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE GRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. >> IS THERE A SECOND. IS THERE A SECOND. >> MOVED US AND A SECOND PERIOD IS THERE A DISCUSSION? FROM STAFF I'M HEARING THE FOUNDATION ISSUES, DOES NOT NEED TO BE CALLED OUT IN THE MOTION SO IT WILL BE APPROVED. ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE. >> YES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR DILIGENCE COMING BACK. WE REALLY DO LOOK FORWARD TO THIS. >> THANK YOU COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT. IT WOULD NOT HURT TO PLACE A CALL TO DEEP EARLY. >> OKAY, MOVING ON, OKAY LAUREN [3.4 HDC 2020-0032 - LAUREN KELLY, MOSER DESIGN GROUP, AGENT FOR MICHAEL W. & JESSICA L. VILLA, LOTS 3 + 4 BLOCK 18 LADIES STREET] KELLY YOU ARE ON DECK. >> 2020 -- 0032. THESE ARE DIRECTIVE -- DIRECTOR GIBSON CASES. DO YOU WANT THEM SEPARATE OR TOGETHER? >> SEPARATE. BECAUSE THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT HOMES. AND TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES. >> OKAY. >> DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, DIFFERENT HOMES. SO WE WILL GET STARTED. I'M GOING TO GUESS, HE IS ON THE LINE FOR HIS CASE. WHO IS HERE FOR HIM? >> OKAY, THANK YOU. WONDERFUL. IS THERE SOMEONE HERE FOR STEVE? YOU ARE HERE. I DIDN'T SEE YOU IN A LONG TIME. AND, IS SOMEONE HERE FOR PAUL INVESTMENTS? >> MAYBE THEY WILL BE. >> STEVE I AM SORRY YOU ARE AT THE END OF THE AGENDA. THAT IS THE WAY IT FALLS. >> THE BOARD IS BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER FINAL APPROVAL ON A PROJECT FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOME. PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND A ONE-STORY. THIS IS ON THE CORNER. THE BOARD WILL RECALL, THE CONCEPTUAL LEVEL IN JUNE. THEY RECEIVED A GREAT DEAL OF PRAISE FOR THEIR ABILITY TO RELATE TO THE MEDIA. A REALLY WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF DENOTING THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THE REMAINING MATERIALS FOR FINAL APPROVAL. INCLUDING THE EXTERIOR FABRIC, DOORS AND WINDOWS. THIS IS KEEPING WITH THE OLD GUIDELINES. AND EVERYTHING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE REQUIREMENTS. AND WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT TO ANY QUESTIONS. >> THIS WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION IN JUNE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS GOTTEN EVEN BETTER. >> I'M JUST QUEUING YOU UP. QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR GIBSON? >> OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? >> ONLY TWO THINGS ON MY MIND. [01:25:04] WE -- >> I'M SORRY. I MESSED UP. I NEED YOU TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD WITHIN ADDRESS. SO YOU ARE VIRTUAL SO WE WILL START YOU VIRTUALLY. >> RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU CONFIRM THE ORAL OR WRITTEN A TESTIMONY YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. >> I DO. >> THANK YOU. >> WHAT YOU HAVE FOR US? SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. >> I'M ON THE DESIGN GROUP. AND, THE ONLY THING WE HAVE BEEN FINALIZING, THE DRAWINGS AND THE DETAILS AND EVERYTHING. WE ORIGINALLY WANTED TO USE STUCCO FOR THE FOUNDATION AND IN THE MAIN HOUSE ON THE FIRST LEVEL. BUT WE DECIDED, WE WOULD LIKE TO USE SMOOTH STUCCO INSTEAD. WE WANTED TO KEEP THE SAME COLOR. >> QUESTIONS FOR LAURA KELLY? >> THIS. >> WE DIDN'T WANT TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF STUCCO. THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE THOUGHT WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP IT SMOOTH. >> OKAY. HEARING NO QUESTIONS. >> THIS. >> THERE ARE SOME SIMILARITIES. THIS IS DROPPING DOWN TO A SECONDARY FORM. THIS IS WHERE THIS IS GOING. >> AGREED, WE CERTAINLY LOOKED AT THAT. >> DOESN'T SEEM FAMILIAR THAT WE LOOKED AT ONE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. >> YES, WE DID. WE DID DO THAT IN THE PRELIMINARY. >> OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE? >> IT'S PRETTY SAFE. THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN HERE, SO IT'S HIGH QUALITY DRAWINGS FOR SURE. LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC MEETING. IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK ON CASE 2020 -- 0032 ONLINE OR IN PERSON. THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> HELLO, IS THERE SOMEONE OUT THERE? >> I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. >> SORRY, I DID NOT MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. GO AHEAD. >> WENT LOOK AT THE DETAILS. WHEN I LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS, I'M LOOKING AT THE ONE THAT SAYS LADIES STREET ELEVATION. FOR THE FOUNDATION THAT SAYS 1 INCH A PART ON THE FRAME OVER CONTINUOUS ROADS. ARE THESE JUST LIKE SURFACE OR IS THIS IN THE FOUNDATION? >> THEY ARE RECESSED INTO THE FOUNDATION, BUT THEY START AT THE TOP. BUT THEY DON'T GO DOWN TO WHERE YOU SEE THIS. THIS IS A CONTINUOUS COURSE AT THE BOTTOM. >> WE HAD OTHER THINGS THAT CAME UP. SO I WANTED TO BE CLEAR. >> WE HAVE THAT ALL DETAILED IN OUR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. >> THERE IS SOME -- INCONSISTENCIES ON THE SHEET. YOU HAVE, IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SIDE. THEN ON THIS SHEET, PRIOR TO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS A RAILING IN BETWEEN IT. DID IT SWITCH FROM ONE TO THE OTHER? [01:30:05] >> THIS WAS FROM THE FIRST ADMISSION AND I DID NOT DO THAT. >> OKAY, ARE THERE ANY OTHER FOLLOWS. I APOLOGIZE IF I CUT ANYONE OFF. IT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL. >> I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. >> THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA. >> I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. >> GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. >> I MOVED TO APPROVE HDC CASE 2020 -- 33 WITHOUT CONDITION. I MOVED FORTH THE HDC TO BE FINAL FACT OF THE RECORD. HDC HAS PRESENTED THE CASE AND IT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND CODE. THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES. >> MIKE, HOLD ON FOR THE SECOND PERIOD MIKE, THE CASE NUMBER IS 0032. I AM NOT SURE WHERE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR NUMBERS FROM. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> SO EXCEPT THAT CORRECTION. >> I'M LOOKING AT THE AGENDA. IT IS 32. >> WHAT DID ASHLEY SAY ON THE REPORT QUARKS. >> 32. >> MINE SAYS 33. >> THAT IS THE NEXT CASE. >> IN THAT CASE, THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME TO ME. >> OKAY SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PERIOD. >> YES. DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. CALLING THE ROLL. [3.5 HDC 2020-0033 - LAUREN KELLY, MOSER DESIGN GROUP, AGENT FOR MICHAEL W. & JESSICA L. VILLA, LOT 6 BLOCK 18 LADIES STREET] >> MOVING ON TO HDC 2020 -- 0,033. >> THANK YOU, FINAL APPROVAL, A PRIMARY STRUCTURE A POOL ON A JOINING SITE NEXT TO THE SITE YOU JUST CONSIDERED EN BLOC 18 AND ON LOT SIX ON LADIES STREET. THE BOARD DID REVIEW THIS AND AUTHORIZED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL IN JUNE OF 2020. THE MATERIALS PROVIDED, AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR FINAL APPROVAL WEAPON INCORPORATED INTO THE APPLICATION. APPLICATION THE APPLICATION CONTINUES TO MEET ALL OF THE STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS. SUFFICIENT TO STAFF APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. >> WAS THERE ANYTHING IN THESE TWO APPLICATIONS THAT WE ASKED FOR, I CAN'T REMEMBER, IT WAS FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS AGO. >> I KNOW THE BOARD CONSIDERED WHY THEY COULD NOT REVIEW IT BECAUSE WE WERE MISSING DETAILS. >> AND PUBLIC NOTICES. >> OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR GIBSON? >> KELLY, WAS THIS THE HOUSE WHERE WE WERE CONCERNED WITH THE FRONT OF THE STREET? >> NO. THIS WAS FULLY ON THE FRONT. >> THAT WAS NEAR MEDIA STREET. >> THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME IN SOME WAYS. >> IN SOME WAYS. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> I HAPPENED TO NOTICE ON THE PREVIOUS ONE IT SHOWED THE SITE PLAN, IT LOOKED LIKE IT ON THIS ONE. BUT THIS ONE'S PACKAGE DOES NOT HAVE A SITE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO CAN WE JUMP BACK TO THE OTHER ONE TO SEE IT? >> I WILL BE HAPPY TO DISPLACE THAT. >> THAT'S CORRECT. IT REALLY SHOULD BE INDIVIDUAL SITE PLANS FOR EACH OF THE DESIGN DRAWINGS. AND CERTAINLY AT THE TIME OF THE WILLING PERMIT. >> THE REASON I'VE MENTIONED [01:35:08] THAT IS BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE SOME, RATHER SIGNIFICANT TREES THAT APPEAR TO BE COMING OUT IN THE REAR YARD OF THIS ONE, THAT I AM NOT AWARE OF WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE TREES ARE. I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS IF SOMEONE HAD LOOKED AT THAT. >> I DID, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER. BUT YES, THERE WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL REMOVAL. >> I THINK THAT APPLICANT IS INTERESTED IN SPEAKING TO THAT. I KNOW PREVIOUSLY, THEY DIDN'T DO IT AND I THINK THEY ARE WORKING FOR A NEW EVALUATION OF THOSE. AND AS WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING ON THE CONCEPTUAL LEVEL WE WANT TO SEE IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DESIGN WITH A TRADE IN MIND. THIS IS SOMETHING WE EXHAUSTED PREVIOUSLY. BUT I WOULD DEFER TO THE APPLICANT. >> LAUREN CAN YOU TALK ABOUT TREE COVERAGE, AT THE SECONDARY, AT THIS HOME. >> YES, WE WANT TO KEEP ONE OF THE OAKS AND BACK. WE GET A LITTLE MIXED UP. WE DID HAVE AN ARTIST GO OUT AND THEY LOOKED AT THE CLUSTER OF TREES THAT ARE NOT IN GOOD CONDITION. THIS IS ON THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. >> DO YOU HAVE MEDICATION FOR THE ONES YOU ARE TAKING OUT? >> THIS IS KIND OF A COURTYARD DESIGN, SO THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT WOULD BE BEHIND THE GUEST HOUSE BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT. >> THESE LOTS ARE SO SMALL. >> DO THESE HAVE TO COME OUT? >> FROM MY RECOLLECTION, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, ONE OF THEM, SO ONE IS NOT IN GREAT CONDITION BUT THE OTHER ONE IS. >> IS IT BEING TAKING -- TAKEN OUT OF THE PLANS, THAT IS WHY WE ARE ASKING. >> OTHER QUESTIONS? >> OKAY, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CASE 2020 -- 0,033. IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE INTO BOARD DISCUSSION. BOARD MEMBERS? >> I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT A CONDITION, WHILE I DON'T KNOW. AS FAR AS THE TREES ARE CONCERNED, I GUESS IT IS IN THEIR PROVISION. >> WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. >> OKAY. LET'S DO THAT IN THE MOTION. I MOVED TO APPROVE HDC CASE 202. THAT IS A FUNNY NUMBER. I MOVED TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER 2020 -- 0033, WITH THE CONDITION THAT, THE CITY GOES OUT TO ASSESS THE CONDITION OF TWO TREES, BEHIND THE POOL. AND THEY MAKE CONCLUSIONS ON THE RECORD THAT HDC 2020 -- 0033 IS COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND UP TO STANDARDS. AND THEN GRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. >> I SECOND PERIOD. >> A MOVE AND A SECOND PERIOD ANY DISCUSSION? >> I WOULD JUST SAY, THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS, ALL WE ARE SAYING IS THAT THE CITY JUST HAS TO LOOK AT THE TREES AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS HELPFUL. THEY JUST WANT TO DETERMINE IF THEY ARE HEALTHY. [01:40:01] >> AND THEY WILL STAY UNLESS THEY ARE NOT HEALTHY. >> AMENDED. >> OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION. I APPRECIATE THE SUBTLETY HERE. >> >> WE ARE BEING CONSISTENT. >> WE ARE BEING CONSISTENT. >> I MUST APOLOGIZE FOR PICKING UP THE WRONG TEXT ON THE PREVIOUS CASE. AS I LOOK AT IT ON MY LAPTOP, THE SCREEN DOES TEND TO MOVE. I FIND IT EASY TO GET INTO THE WRONG CASE SUBJECT. >> I SYMPATHIZE. MOVING ON. [4.1 HDC 2020-0030 - WAYNE CHISM, CHISM DEVELOPMENT CO., AGENT FOR CHRISTINE STEWART, LOTS 3 + 4 BLOCK 11 NEW STREET] >> >> GOOD EVENING. IT HAS BEEN NICE HANGING OUT. >> JUST GET TO WORK. >> SO THIS IS 2020 -- 0030. IT IS EN BLOC 11, LOTS THREE AND FOUR. THE CURRENT ZONING IS OT1. IT IS VACANT AND THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY RESIDENCE. THIS IS AT THE CORNER OF THE STREET. STAFF DOES FIND THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS CONCEPTUALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT IN TERMS OF SCALE AND ORIENTATION AND SETBACKS. AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, THE REQUESTED ACTION AS PRESENTED IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND THE OLD TIME GUIDELINES. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF 2020 -- 0030 APPROVAL. >> QUESTIONS? >> HEARING NONE. >> I HAVE ONE. >> JUST CLARIFICATION, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL SO FOR FINAL WE PUT EXPECT TO SEE A FOUNDATION PLAN FINALLY DETAILING WHAT WE SEE ON THE ELEVATION. CORRECT? >> AND MATERIALS AND COLORS AND ALL OF THAT. >> WE ARE OFF TO A GOOD START. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR GUESTS? >> THERE'S A NUMBER OF TREES ON THE PROPERTY. I WENT BY THERE TODAY. I CANNOT SAY THAT MOST ARE IN GOOD CONDITION. >> I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THE PRESERVATION PLAN THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED. >> I HAVE A GENERAL COMMENT. [01:45:21] >> IF THERE ARE TREES THAT ARE WORTHY OF BEING RETAINED. >> I THINK THE CONSTRUCTION SHOULD COME FIRST AND THE TREES IF THEY HAVE TO GO, THEY GROW PRETTY WELL, AND THEY GROW QUICKLY. >> I THINK THIS COULD APPLY TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, LET'S MOVE ON TO, -- >> I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE WHERE THE CORE DOORS HAVE A 10-FOOT DIMENSION. IT IS A CREATIVE WAY TO HONOR THE CORRIDOR. I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE ARCHITECT AND THE APPLICANT FOR THE ELEVATION. >> >> I THINK IT IS A NICE LOOKING HOUSE. >> THE WEBSITE SHOWS THIS LOT AND THE NEIGHBORING LOT, AND THIS WILL GO TO THE NORTH TOWARDS WHITE STREET. >> EVERYTHING IS CORRECT. IT IS JUST THAT THE PROPERTY [01:50:05] APPRAISER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK, THIS WILL BE THE TIME. AND BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> I LIKE IT. >> I DO TOO. >> I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PROMOTE -- SHOW IT. >> GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION MIKE. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO GET BACK. >> THERE WE GO. >> OKAY. I MOVED TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC 2020 -- TRACK HDC 2020 -- 0030 WITH THE FOLLOWING RECORD. IT IS AS PRESENTED AND COMPLIANT WITH THE CODE WITH THE INTERIOR AND THE OLD TOWN PRESERVATION GUIDELINES FOR APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. >> I SECOND PERIOD ANY DISCUSSION? >> I'M THE CHAIR. >> JUST TO REITERATE, THERE ARE DETAILS WE NEED, AND YOU KNOW THAT SO WE ARE GOOD. ANY IDEA WHEN THAT MAY BE? >> COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE. THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR MORE AGENDA ITEMS. WE APPRECIATE EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO GET THINGS DONE. >> SHOULD MY MOTION HAVE INCLUDED THE WORD CONCEPTUAL? >> I THOUGHT IT DID. WE HEARD CONCEPTUAL. >> WE ARE ASSUMING WE HEARD CONCEPTUAL AS PART OF YOUR MOTION. >> WELL AS LONG AS THE RECORDING HEARD IT. >> TAYLOR SAID YOU SAID IT SO IT HAPPEN. IT WAS HER. >> CALLED THE ROLL. >> CALLING THE ROLL. [4.2 HDC 2020-0038 - RICHARD HIGGINBOTHAM, HALL INVESTMENTS INC., 231 N. FRONT STREET] >> I'M ASSUMING THIS IS ON YOU. 2020 -- 0038. THIS IS THE DEMO PROJECT. >> SIR, WE WILL DO STAFF REPORT AND THEN CALL YOU UP. YOUR TIMING IS GOOD. >> THIS IS HDC 2020 -- 0038. THE PROPERTY IS LISTED ON THE SITE FILE AS BEING CONSTRICTED IN 1926. THIS IS AN ASSISTANT APPROVAL ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. AS I SAID, THE PROPERTY APPRAISER LIST THE PROPERTY AT A CONSTRUCTION DATE OF 1926. >> WE BELIEVE JUDGING BY THE CONSTRUCTION IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE 30S. IT WAS ORIGINALLY USED AS A WORKING WATERFRONT. STAFF IS WORKING WITH THE OWNER TO SEE IF IT WILL BE RELOCATED TO MAINTAIN ONE OF THE PERIOD STRUCTURES. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLAN. IT STATES THE CITY THIS WILL BE CONTINUED. [01:55:10] TO ALLOW TIME FOR INVESTIGATION INTO THE RELOCATION OF THE STRUCTURE. STAFF FINDS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THIS WE CONTINUE TO THE DECEMBER 2020 MEETING. WE ASKED THE ARCHITECT TO GIVE A REPORT. >> IT IS THIS STRUCTURE. IT ORIGINALLY HAD A FRONT PORCH. THE FRONT PORCH HAS SINCE BEEN ENCLOSED. ADD-ONS HAVE BEEN ADDED ON TO SERVE AS THE WAREHOUSE. IT IS A WOOD FRAME BUILDING. >> THIS IS REALLY COOL. THIS IS THE HVAC AND THE DROP CEILING. WE CAN SEE THE WINDOW IS INTACT. >> OKAY. >> IS THAT IT APPEARED WE WILL SEE WHAT HE WANTS TO ADD. COME UP AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. >> RICHARD H. 231 NORTH FRONT STREET. WE WANT TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING AND THE WAREHOUSE. IF WE WERE TOLD TO RELOCATE IT WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DONATE IT TO SOMEONE AND PAY TOWARDS THE RELOCATION. WE STILL HAVE OUR OWN EXPENSES. -- IT HAS TO COME OFF. >> FOR US TO DO REMODELING, AND REGENERATE THE FUNDS, VERY FEW PEOPLE WANT TO DO THIS. THIS WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING THIS. THESE ARE THE ROOFS THAT ARE ATTACHED. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. THIS IS SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S [02:00:03] GOING ON. >> WE SHOULD'S TOP AND SAY THANK YOU FOR THE DEMO ON THIS. IT IS IMPORTANT. AS HISTORY. IT IS ONE OF THE LAST WE HAVE. MANY ARE. WE WANT TO PRESERVE THIS. WE THINK THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. HOW DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. I KNOW THIS ISN'T THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, I THOUGHT THE REQUIREMENT WAS, THAT WE DON'T ISSUE THIS UNLESS THERE'S A PLAN TO REPLACE IT. >> THIS DOES TALK ABOUT CONCEPTUAL PLANS FOR THE REPLACEMENT BUILDING. >> HASN'T THAT ALWAYS BEEN THE STANDARD. >> >> IF WE DIDN'T HAVE IT IS THAT A SUGGESTION NOT A REQUIREMENT. >> PERHAPS WE DON'T. >> WE SHOULD SEEK CONCEPTUALLY AT THE TIME WE SHOULD SEEK WHAT WILL REPLACE IT. THAT IS NOT IN THE SECTION ABOUT RELOCATIONS. >> OKAY, SO REALLY WHAT WE ARE DOING, THE ONLY REAL POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE, IS TO, CONTINUED THIS CASE UNTIL SOMEONE COMES FORWARD WITH A GENERAL LEGITIMATE PLAN FOR RELOCATION. >> THAT IS WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING. THAT WE HAVE THE TIME TO WORK THAT OUT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR RICHARD. I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE EXCITED AND I THINK THIS COULD BE A WIN-WIN SITUATION IF WE CAN'T MAKE THIS WORK. I'M JUST WONDERING, WHAT PRECIPITATED YOU TO WANT TO DEMO IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS IN GOOD SHAPE? >> THE AMOUNT OF REPAIR TO THE BUILDING. THE BUILDING, DOES NOT ALLOW TO DO THIS. WE WANTED TO SEE IF WE COULD REOPEN IT FOR OFFICES. THEY ALWAYS ASKED ME ABOUT IT AND I NEVER GOT A RESPONSE. >> SO I GUESS THIS WAS THE ONLY RESPONSE I GOT. >> DO YOU WANT TO REBUILD ON IT. >> WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT ANY OPTIONS THE COMPANY MAY HAVE TO DO THIS. OUR USE FOR THE BUILDING WOULD COST A LOT OF MONEY. IT'S NO DIFFERENCE THAT WILL WE HAVE DONE. [02:05:02] >> AND LASTLY, AN AUDIBLE CALL. >> CAN WE CONTINUE IT UNTIL IT COMES BACK UP OR DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN DATE IN DECEMBER. >> IF YOU POSTPONE IT OR CONTINUE IT HAS TO BE TO A CERTAIN DATE OR YOU HAVE TO TABLE IT. >> WE WILL GO WITH DECEMBER. HOW MANY SQUARE FEET ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? >> 40 BY 40. >> FOR THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE? >> 40 BY 40. >> RIGHT, YOU READ MY MIND. SO 1600 SQUARE FEET, HOW BIG IS THIS? >> OTHER QUESTIONS, ANYONE ELSE? WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 2020 -- 0038. A LONG TIME RESIDENT,. >> I LIVE AT 724 SOUTH STREET. AM VERY INTERESTED IN THIS BUILDING. I HOPE THEY CAN PRESERVE THE BUILDING. I WOULD LIKE, AND MY VISION HOPEFULLY I WILL BE ELECTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION. MY VISION IS TO HAVE THIS A WORKING WATERFRONT. I WAS WORKING ON A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION AND I DIDN'T GET TO FINISH IT. BUT IN MY OPINION IF THE BUILDING COULD BE BARGE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE MOVED UP THE STREET. IF THEY CAN GO TO THE OPEN LOT ACROSS FROM SALTY PELICAN, SOMEHOW SIT IT THERE, MY VISION IS TO HAVE A WALKWAY ALONG THE WATERFRONT SO THE SHRIMP BOATS CAN COME IN. THAT CAN BE A MARITIME TYPE MUSEUM OR A SHRIMP BUILDING OR IT COULD BE USED FOR SEAFOOD. BUT I REALLY HOPE, THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL ASK TO HAVE THIS AND HOPEFULLY, PEOPLE SAY WHERE WILL THE MONEY COME FROM, MAYBE IT COULD COME FROM A GRANT, OR AN ORGANIZATION THAT RAISES MONEY TO PRESERVE THE BUILDING. BUT I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING IN THE WORKS. SO PEOPLE CAN COME TOGETHER AND PRESERVE IT AND PAY TO HAVE IT MOVED. HE HAS OFFERED TO HELP WITH THE FINANCIAL PART TOO. I THINK THAT IS ADMIRABLE. WE WANT VERNON DENA TO REMAIN A WALKING WATERFRONT. THAT IS WHY PEOPLE COME HERE. THAT IS THE VISION I SEE. ATLANTIC SEAFOOD HAS TO BE PROTECTED. I WANT TO PULL OUT MY PHOTOGRAPHS. WE HAVE HISTORY HERE. IT HAS MEMORIES FOR ME AND MY FAMILY. THIS BUILDING COULD PROBABLY FALL DOWN BUT IT HAS WITHSTOOD SOME HURRICANES WHERE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SAVE THAT BUILDING IF IT IS POSSIBLE. >> THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. I HAVE A REPORT FOR YOU THAT I WANT TO SHARE, FROM 2008. IT MAY BE USEFUL TO YOU. >> I DID SOME RESEARCH ON WORKING WATERFRONT AND THAT WAS PART OF THE POWERPOINT. I HAD STATE STATUES AND -- STATUTES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THESE ARE PRETTY DRAWINGS OF THINGS AND THAT IS NOT FERNANDINA. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> IT IS A MAJOR PART OF FERNANDINA. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE INTO BOARD DISCUSSION. I HEARD OF CONTINUING UNTIL THE DECEMBER MEETING. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION. >> THANK YOU. >> I MOVED TO CONTINUE HDC CASE 2020-0038 UNTIL THE DECEMBER MEETING. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PERIOD CALL THE ROLL. CALLING THE ROLL. [02:10:09] >> MOVING ON. HDC 2020 -- 0042. THANK YOU RICHARD FOR YOUR PATIENCE. THIS IS NEXT TO THE MALL. A PLOT DOWN. WHO HAS THIS? >> THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE THROUGH ZOOM. >> MR. HEAD IS HERE. IS THAT PATRICIA TAYLOR? IS THAT WHO IS ON THE LINE? >> YES. >> IT IS GOOD TO KNOW WHO'S THERE. [4.3 HDC 2020-0042 - STEVE HEAD, HEAD CONSTRUCTION OF NE FL INC., AGENT FOR PATRICIA TAYLOR, 206 ESTRADA STREET] >> SO THIS IS HDC 2020 -- 0042 PROPERTY LOCATED AT 206 ESTRADA STREET. IT IS CURRENTLY A VACANT LOT. THEY REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A RESIDENCE AND DETACH ONE CAR GARAGE. THAT IS THE LOT THAT FACES ESTRADA. STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH PROPORTIONS ORIENTATION AND SETBACKS. AS WITH ALL PROJECTS IN OLD TOWN, STAFF NOTES THE SENSITIVITY OF OLD TOWN. AND STAFF FINDS THE REQUESTED ACTION AS PRESENTED IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR'S STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF HDC 2020 -- 0042. >> DID YOU RECEIVE ALL OF THE MATERIALS THAT YOU REQUIRE FOR FINAL APPROVAL? >> YES, SIR. >> GREAT. AND QUESTIONS? >> NO QUESTIONS? >> THE THING I LIKE ABOUT THE HOUSE IS THE SCALE OF IT. IT DOESN'T COMPETE WHICH IS REALLY COOL. THE FACT THAT IT IS ON AN ADJACENT LOT. SO IT IS NOT COMPETING. SO I THINK THAT IS NEAT. TO ME, IT IS NOT A BIG HOUSE. HAVE DETAIL BUT NOT A BIG HOUSE. >> NO QUESTIONS. I WILL ASK MR. HEAD TO COME UP AND IDENTIFY HIMSELF FOR THE RECORD. AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE BUILDER. IN MRS. TAYLOR'S ON THE LINE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE OWNER. >> ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? >> I HAVE NOTHING. >> OKAY. THE BUILDER IS HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. TAMMY, MIKE, BENJAMIN? >> NO? >> NO, I THINK EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD PICTURES OF THE EASIEST ONE IS THE LAST ONE FOR THE NIGHT? >> OKAY, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? >> WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC MEETING. >> WE HAVE ONE MORE ON THE LINE AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE? >> WHAT DOES ALEX WANT TO SAY? ALEX ARE YOU THERE? >> I AM ON THE LINE. I HAVE NO COMMENT OTHER THAN I THINK IT IS A WONDERFUL HOME. >> THERE YOU GO. >> OKAY. >> WE ALSO HAVE SOMEONE ON THE LINE. >> IDENTIFY YOURSELF WITH THE RECORD. >> IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK? >> WILL WHY ARE YOU BRINGING THEM UP? >> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOOD. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSE. WE ARE MOVING ON TO, BOARD BUSINESS. >> I'M READY TO PROPOSE A MOTION. NO CONDITIONS. >> I MOVED TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC 2020 -- 0042 WITHOUT CONDITION AND I MOVED THAT THEY MAKE THE FINDINGS PART OF THE RECORD OF CASE 2020 -- 0042 IS PRESENTED THEY COMPLY WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR THE OLD TOWN RESERVATIONS AND GUIDELINES. >> I SECOND. [02:15:02] >> ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. MRS. TAYLOR? >> CALLING THE TODD KEMP. -- CALLING THE ROLL. >> IT IS UNANIMOUS. I'M DOING SOMETHING WRONG. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, I APPRECIATE THAT. THERE ARE SOME HOUSES ON MY STREET AND I HAVE SOME WONDERFUL NEIGHBORS. [5. STAFF CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL] OKAY. WE WILL MOVE INTO THE STAFF CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL FOR SEPTEMBER. ANYTHING IN THERE YOU WANT? >> I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. [6. BOARD BUSINESS] >> BOARD BUSINESS, BOARD MEMBERS, I WANT TO BRING SOMETHING TO YOUR ATTENTION. I WENT TO SAL'S WORKSHOP IT WAS IMPRESSIVE. GOOD ATTENDANCE. EXCELLENT PEOPLE ON-SITE, IT WAS REALLY COOL. I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR THAT. I THINK IT WAS GREAT YOU DID THE WORK AND THE BOARD SHOULD KNOW. WE TALKED ABOUT A LETTER FOR MS. I WILL BRING SOMETHING UP AND WE WILL SEND HER A NOTE SAYING WE APPRECIATED HER SERVICE OVER TIME TO THE CITY. ANY OTHER BOARD BUSINESS YOU WANT TO BRING TO MY ATTENTION? >> I WILL LET EVERYONE KNOW I GOT AN E-MAIL FROM ANDY MUELLER WOULD YOU GUYS KNOW HE FINISH FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND HE SAID HE WILL PUT IN AN -- PUT IN AN APPLICATION. >> A BUILDER WOULD BE DIFFERENT. >> A COUPLE OF PEOPLE I HAVE REACHED OUT TO. >> GREAT, YOU MAY HAVE OPTIONS. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> I WILL REMIND YOU THE WATERFRONT IS OPEN. IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS, GET IN THERE AND PROVIDE THEM. >> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? I THINK WE ARE GOOD TOO. THANK * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.