[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM] [00:00:07] >> GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. THIS IS THE PLANNING ADVISORY REGULAR MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 14TH. THANK YOU ALL FOR ATTENDING TODAY. MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> MEMBER BOYLAN. >> HERE. >> MEMBER STEVENSON. >> HERE. >> MEMBER BENNETT. >> HERE. >> MEMBER GINHER. >> HERE. >> VICE CHAIR SCHAFFER. >> HERE. >> CHAIR MINSHEW? >> HERE. >> IF YOU WOULD ALL STAND FOR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. [3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES] >> WE HAVE THREE SETS OF MINUTES TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? LET'S GET IT ON THE FLOOR AND THEN WE CAN MAKE ALL THE CHANGES. >> ALL RIGHT. >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND. >> OKAY. SO ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? >> YES. >> OKAY. >> I WANT TO START WITH, WELL, LET'S START WITH JULY 22ND SINCE I HAPPEN TO HAVE THAT ONE IN MY HANDS. IS THAT OKAY? >> SURE. >> JUST ONE MINOR CHANGE, PAGE 2. JUST BEFORE YOU GET TO THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE, SENTENCE STARTS WITH MARGRET KIRKLAND. THERE IS JUST A WORD WHERE SHOULD BE WERE. THAT'S IT. >> OKAY. NEXT ONE. >> LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE. WHAT DO I GOT IN FRONT OF ME HERE? SEPTEMBER 9TH, OKAY. GOT A BUNCH. ALL RIGHT. FIRST, LET ME JUST GO THROUGH IT. THEY HAVE MY NAME WRONG. >> HOW DO THEY HAVE YOUR NAME? >> PETERSON. >> THERE'S ABOUT EIGHT OR TEN PLACES IT'S WRONG. >> WE CAN DO A VIRTUAL CUT AND PASTE? >> SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN. IF YOU GO TO PAGE 2 VERY LAST PARAGRAPH STARTS OFF WITH MELBA WHITAKER. GO DOWN TO THE THIRD LINE DOWN, SENTENCE STARTS WITH IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT MRS. WHITAKER -- I THINK IT SHOULD BE MRS. WHITAKER SHOULD CONTACT. THERE'S ABOUT THREE EXTRA WORDS IN THERE. I THINK CORRECTLY SHOULD JUST SAY SUGGESTED TO MRS. WHITAKER SHE SHOULD CONTACT, OR THAT SHE CONTACT TPNASSAU COUNTY. THAT'S IT. THIRD ONE. SEPTEMBER 23RD. IT'S GOOD. I WOULD HAVE TO COMPLIMENT WHO EVER PUT THESE MINUTES TOGETHER. THEY DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB HOLDING DOWN AN AWFUL LOT OF CONVERSATION INTO SOME MEANINGFUL BULLETS. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER CHANGES? >> THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE ON TODAY'S AGENDA UNDER ITEM 3.2, IT SAYS APPROVAL OF THE JULY 22ND. THAT WAS A SPECIAL MEETING, NOT A REGULAR MEETING. >> OKAY. >> TECHNICALLY THAT'S AN ISSUE. THE MEETING IS ALL RIGHT. IT WAS A SPECIAL MEETING. >> OKAY. >> NOW I'LL BE QUIET. THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES OR COMMENTS? Y YES? >> ON THE MINUTES OF THE -- LET'S SEE HERE. SEPTEMBER 23RD THERE WAS A COMMENT BY MR. ERIC SCHMITT THAT WAS ADDED. THERE'S AN AMENDED COPY FOR YOU, CHAIR MINSHEW. MR. SCHMITT E-MAILED US, ASKED US TO MAKE SURE HIS LOCATION WAS IN THERE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT AUDIBLE ON THE RECORDING, SO WE E-MAILED HIM AND HE KIND OF TOLD US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT HE [00:05:06] SAID. IT WAS ADDED. BUT IT'S NOT THE MINUTES THAT ARE ONLINE. THEY'RE AMENDED. >> THEY ARE AMENDED? >> YES. >> DO WE HAVE IT? LET ME LOOK AND SEE. >> AT THE END OF THE SENTENCE. >> ERIC SCHMITT WAS RECOGNIZED VIRTUALLY COMMENTED THAT THE NEED IS FOR A COORDINATED CITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LDC AND MINIMIZES THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF ANY CHANGES MADE TO EITHER. OKAY? >> OKAY. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE HAVE SOME CORRECTIONS TO THIS. MOTION WILL ACCEPT THE CHANGES? >> YES, I WILL, MADAM CHAIR. >> SECONDED? >> I WILL SECOND THE REVISIONS TO THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ALL THREE SETS OF THESE MINUTES, PLEASE SAY AYE OR RAISE YOUR HAND. >> AYE. >> MINUTES ARE APPROVED. >> UNDER ITEM 5, NEW BUSINESS, [5. NEW BUSINESS] WE HAVE PAB2020-011, EMILY VAUGHN AND WILLIAM BARNETT. 3001 SOUTH 14TH STREET INVOLVES ANNEXATION. MR. CRAFT? >> I'LL STAND AT THE PODIUM. >> OKAY. SO I CAN MAKE SURE EVERYBODY CAN HEAR ME. GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS. TONIGHT'S FIRST NEW BUSINESS IS PAB2020-0011 AND THIS IS A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION SIGN OF FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY AND ZONING DISTRICT. THIS PROPERTY LOCATED 3001 SOUTH 14TH STREET IS CURRENTLY IN THE COUNTY ZONED NASSAU COUNTY RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY 2 WITH AN EXISTING MEDIUM DENSITY NASSAU COUNTY MEDIUM DENSITY LAND USE. THERE CURRENTLY EXISTS SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE SITE WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY HALF ACRE. STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN 1997. YOU'LL PROBABLY REMEMBER RECENTLY THE ANNEXATION OF LAND USE AND ZONING FOR THE PLANTATION SUBDIVISION AND ADJOINING SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL. THIS LOVELY COUPLE CAME IN WHEN THEY SAW THE NOTICE IN THE PAPER AND SAID, HEY, WE SAW ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS COMING INTO THE CITY. WE WANT TO BE PART OF THE CITY, TOO. WE SAID WE'LL SIGN YOU UP. THERE'S A CURRENT SEPTIC AND WELL. THIS ANNEXATION WILL ALSO FOLLOW THE SAME AS FAR AS THE LAND USE AND ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY LOCATED TO BE RESIDENTIAL AND R-1 ZONING ON THE CITY'S LAND USE AND ZONING CATEGORY. VOLUNTEER ANNEXATION OF THIS PROPERTY IS CLIENT WITH ALL STATUTES, CITY'S MUNICIPAL CODE. ANNEXATION DOES NOT CREATE AN ENCLAVE AND REPRESENTS AN EXTENSION OF THE CITY'S BOUNDARY. THE REQUESTED ACTION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S CONFERENCE PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND APPROVAL OF VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY AND R-1 ZONING DISTRICT. APPLICABLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES ARE REFERENCED HERE AND DETERMINATION FOR CONSISTENCY WITH ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN MET. WITH THAT I'LL LET THE BOARD ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE AT THIS TIME. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD? ON THE SCREEN? SO IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO IS HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? IF NOT, WE'LL CLOSE THE FLOOR TO PUBLIC COMMENT. HEARING NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MADAM CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE OR RAISE YOUR HAND. >> AYE. >> ALL OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM PAB2020-122. 1440 AND 1420 SOUTH 14TH STREET [00:10:06] AND 1410, 1412, 1416 NECTARINE STREET. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. PAB CASE 2020-0012. ANNEXATION OF FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY GENERAL COMMERCIAL FOR ALL PROPERTIES INVOLVED. ZONING DISTRICT C-1 FOR THE FOUR PARCELS ABUTTING SOUTH 14TH STREET AND C-2 ZONING DISTRICT FOR THOSE ABUTTING SOUTH 14TH STREET. CURRENTLY THE ZONING IN THE COUNTY IS NASSAU COUNTY COMMERCIAL WITH NASSAU COUNTY COMMERCIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION. THERE ARE MULTIPLE STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY AND APPROXIMATE SIZE IN TOTAL IS 3.87 ACRES. AGAIN, THE APPLICANTS ARE SEEKING VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION, ASSIGNMENT OF FUTURE LAND USE OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND C-1 AND C-2 ZONING DISTRICT. VOLUNTARY ANNEX IS FOR ALL FLORIDA STATE STATUES, MUNICIPAL CODE. IT DOES NOT CREATE AN ENCLAVE AND REPRESENTS A LOGICAL REPRESENTATION OF THE CITY'S BOUND ARIES. I WILL GO TO THE MAP JUST SO WE CAN SEE MORE CLEARLY THE EASTERN PARCELS ARE THE C-1 ZONED PROPERTIES ABUTTING THE MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT. THE WESTERN FOUR PARCELS WILL BE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THE REQUESTED ACTION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S PLANNED DEVELOPMENT CODE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR THE ANNEXATION UNDER THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY AND COMMUNITY C-1 WITH PARCELS ABUTTING 13TH STREET AND SOUTH 14TH STREET FOLLOWING THIS RECOMMENDATION, I ADVISE THE BOARD TO SEND IT TO THE CITY COMMISSION PROBABLY THE NOVEMBER 17TH CITY COMMISSION AGENDA AND WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE BOARD FOR ANY QUESTIONS OF ME AT THIS TIME. >> MISS SCHAFFER, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> YES. I JUST WANTED TO SEE THAT IT IS -- THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE TAKING OVER THIS ROAD AS CITY MAINTENANCE OR IF IT'S PRIVATE. >> IT'S PRIVATE. YES, MA'AM. PAPPY'S PLACE IS A PRIVATE ROAD THAT THE CITY WILL NOT BE TAKING OVER. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. >> IT'S KIND OF STRANGE. IT'S REALLY JUST A DIRT ROAD THAT'S THERE. I BELIEVE IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD AND IT'S GOT THE BLUE TAG SO IT'S NOT A COUNTY MAINTAINED ROAD EITHER. >> ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YES? >> I HAVE GOT SEVERAL. FIRST OF ALL, IT HAS A VERY VERY LARGE ANTENNA ON THE PROPERTY. >> YES. >> IS THAT GONNA REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL ACTION ON THE PART OF THE CITY OR DO WE INHERIT IT AS IS AND IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY LONG-TERM? >> SO, WE DO HAVE TELECOMMUNICATION STANDARDS IN THE CITY'S CODE. WE ARE -- WE WILL BE ACCEPTING THAT AS IT IS. ANY MODIFICATION TO OR EXPANSIONS OF THAT WILL HAVE TO MEET OUR TELECOMMUNICATIONS STANDARDS. >> OKAY. THE SECOND THING IS, WHAT I'LL CALL THE CORNER LOT. I THINK IT'S THE CORNER. FACING OUT ON THE 14TH STREET SIDE IS, I SEE A VARIETY OF FIRE WOOD FOR SALE, SCRAP THIS, SCRAP THAT. IS THE CITY GOING TO INHERIT SOMETHING THAT NOW IS GOING TO BE A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE BECAUSE YOU VISUALIZE AND CAN SEE A LOT OF THOSE MATERIALS FROM THE STREET DRIVING BY. SO NOW DO WE SUDDENLY TAKE IT ON AND IS IT SUDDENLY CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS? IS THERE GOING TO BE ONE TAKEN AGAINST THE OWNER OR THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY AS A CITY TRYING TO ENFORCE THE CODE ACTIVITY. >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. CITY DOES HAVE OUTSIDE STORAGE AND OUTSIDE SALES PROVISIONS IN OUR CODE. WE WOULD ACCEPT THAT AND BASICALLY GRANDFATHER THAT IN. AGAIN, IF THERE ARE ANY KIND OF EXPANSIONS OR MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESSES, IT WOULD FALL AND HAVE TO MEET CITY [00:15:05] STANDARDS. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO PURSUE A CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION ON ANNEXATION IF IT'S NOT COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S OUTDOOR STORAGE OR OUTDOOR SALES AT THIS TIME. >> YEAH. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS? >> NO. >> ANYONE ELSE FROM THE BOARD? SO WE WILL CLOSE THE CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW AND OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE FLOOR. OKAY. I'M SORRY. BARB? >> SORRY, I HAVE A QUESTION. DOES THAT INCLUDE THAT LITTLE FARM STAND WHERE THE WOOD IS PILED UP? >> YES, MA'AM, IT DOES. >> OKAY. >> THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE LITTLE COMPUTER REPAIR SHOP. >> YEAH. I WAS TRYING TO SHOW HER. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS? MISS PRINCE, ARE YOU HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT? IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN, CHAIR WOMAN AND BOARD. CAN YOU HEAR ME WITH MY MASK ON? >> YES. >> AS JAKE HAS SAID, WE ARE LOOKING TO BRING THESE ANNEX THESE PROPERTIES IN AND THEN GET THE COMPATIBLE ZONING ON THE PROPERTIES. THEY ARE CURRENTLY COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE UNDER THE NASSAU COUNTY CODE. I DO AGREE WITH JAKE AS ONCE THEY CAME IN, ANY CHANGES TO THEM AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE BROUGHT UP TO CITY STANDARDS. THERE ARE NONCONFORMING USES ON THE PROPERTY EVEN UNDER THE NASSAU COUNTY CODE. THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTIAL USES ON THE PROPERTY. THERE'S SOME MOBILE HOMES ON THE PROPERTY. THOSE HAVE BEEN NONCONFORMING USES SINCE ANY ONE OF THE COUNTIES CAN RECOLLECT. I WAS GUARANTEED THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ZONED COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE SINCE AT LEAST 1980. WHEN I SPOKE WITH STAFF DIRECTLY, I WAS ALSO TOLD PRIOR THE ZONING CODE WAS ADOPT BID NASSAU COUNTY IN 1974. SO THEY DO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY MADE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AND IT HAS REMAINED COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AND THE NONCONFORMING USE IS PERFECT PERPETUATED ON THE PROPERTY. IT WOULD FALL UNDER YOUR NONCONFORMING USE CODE AND HOW MANY DAYS THE USE IS CEASED AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO CONFORM THE NONCONFORMING USE. AS JAKE HAS SAID COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, I HAVE SOME SLIDES. WOULD YOU MIND PUTTING MY PICTURES UP? OH, YEAH. THESE ARE THE PROPERTIES. NEXT ONE? AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE IN THE COUNTY, THIS LOT THAT IS EMPTY IS SITTING. I'LL SHOW IT ON THE OTHER SIDE. AND THEN AGAIN THIS IS GONNA BE SOMETHING YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE BUT COMMERCIAL ATTENDANCE. ALL AROUND THIS PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL. C-1 ON THIS SIDE WHICH IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, LESS THAN THE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE USE NASSAU COUNTY HAS NOW. NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN SO JAKE AND THE STAFF REPORT HAS SAID, WE ARE CONSISTENT WHERE YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL SURROUNDING US. WE PICK C-2 ON THE WESTERN SIDE WHICH IS COMPLIANT WITH WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET AND WHAT'S ADJACENT TO NECTARINE STREET. WE SELECTED C-1 ON SOUTH 15TH STREET BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS THERE. BUT AS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, THE ZOOM PEOPLE ARE KIND OF COVERING IT UP, BUT THE C-2 IS ACROSS FROM ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL USE. SO WE WORKED WITH STAFF TO TAKE THE C-1 ZONING ON THOSE PROPERTIES INSTEAD. I AM WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I DON'T THINK I HAVE STATED MY NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> I DON'T THINK YOU DID EITHER. >> TERESA PRINCE WITH THOMASSETTI AND PRINCE. 406 ASH STREET, FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? >> MISS SCHAFFER, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> THERE'S A QUESTION ON THE [00:20:05] ZOOM. AND THEY ASKED WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PEOPLE WHO NOW RENT RESIDENCES ON THIS PROPERTY? >> THEY WILL BE ANY LEASES THAT THEY HAVE WILL HAVE TO BE ABIDED BY AND THEY WILL BE TREATED THE SAME AS THEY WOULD IF THEY WERE IN THE COUNTY. >> THEN IT WILL REVERT TO THE C-1 USAGE AFTER THAT? >> NO. SO NONE OF THE RESIDENTIAL USES ARE VACANT RIGHT NOW. SO THEY WOULD REMAIN AS THEY ARE. THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT NONCONFORMING USE WOULD CONTINUE UNTIL THE NONCONFORMING USE CEASED FOR THE NUMBER OF DAYS THAT REQUIRE TOWS BE COMPLIANT. I THINK IT'S 180 OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. >> IT IS. IT WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THEIR LEASE EXPIRE OR SOME OTHER ACTION IS TAKEN BY THE LANDLORD. THEY'RE ALL RENTING ON THE PROPERTY. >> THANKS. >> I GUESS AT LEAST TWO, MAYBE THREE RESIDENCES THAT ARE IN THE FORM OF A MOBILE HOME. >> THERE ARE FOUR. >> THERE ARE FOUR OF THEM? OKAY. >> THERE'S ONE MOBILE HOME ON FOUR OF THE LOTS. ONE ON EACH FOUR OF THE LOTS ON THE WESTERN SIDE -- EASTERN SIDE. >> SO THOSE MOBILE HOMES ARE REMOVED, IT WILL JUST REVERT TO A NORMAL COMMERCIAL ZONING AT THAT POINT? >> CORRECT. WE WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW THE NONCONFORMING USE STATUTE IF THEY WANTED TO REPLACE THE MOBILE HOME OR DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT. REPLACING THE MOBILE HOME MIGHT TRIGGER BRINGING IT COMPLETELY IN COMPLIANCE. I'M NOT SURE. THAT COULD JUST BE CONSIDERED AN UPGRADE, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE THAN 50%. THE INTENT RIGHT NOW IS TO JUST LET THE PEOPLE STAY THERE UNTIL, YOU KNOW, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH IT. >> OKAY. WHAT I WAS KIND OF THINKING ABOUT IS A STORM RELATED WHERE ONE THAT'S SEVERELY DAMAGED AND HAS TO BE REPLACED. >> YOU'RE NOT A CONFORMING USE IN THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH WOULD APPLY FOR THAT. THERE ARE STANDARDS FOR WHAT HAPPENS IN A STORM SITUATION TO ALLOW YOU TO HAVE A NONCONFORMING USE AGAIN. TAMMI OR KELLY CAN ALWAYS TELL ME IF I'M GOING FOR MEMORY WRONG. IT WILL BE HANDLED UNDER THE NONCONFORMING STATUTE. >> THE RESIDENCES ARE PRETTY WELL PROTECTED FROM THE STANDPOINT OF SOME UNPLANNED DISASTER HAPPENS THERE? >> YES. IT WOULD BE THE SAME IN THE COUNTY. YOU REMEMBER THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE. SO EVEN IF WE DIDN'T ANNEX IN, THEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME ISSUES. >> GOOD POINT. >> THEY'RE ALSO TENANTS SO THEY'RE NOT OWNERS, SO THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE THE LANDLORD IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAME THROUGH COULD JUST DECIDE TO NOT REBUILD. THEY WOULD FALL ANY LANDLORD TENANT LAWS THERE. THE OWNER/LANDLORD WOULD DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO PUT A MOBILE HOME. >> IS IT FAIR TO SAY THIS CHANGE WOULD NOT BURDEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY RESIDENCES ON THOSE PROPERTIES? >> THE CHANGE DOESN'T CHANGE THEIR STATUS. THE OWNER OR LANDLORD WILL CHANGE THEIR STATUS DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY DECIDE TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY. WHICH WOULD BE THE SAME IF THEY STAYED IN NASSAU COUNTY. THE OWNER OWNS THE PROPERTY NOW. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SCREEN? NO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK? CAN YOU PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> MY NAME IS ELIZABETH ANNE CUBAN. I LIVE IN THE COUNTY BUT ALSO OWN PROPERTY 422 SOUTH 13TH STREET AND ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BALL FIELDS. I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT AS A PERSON WHO'S INTERESTED IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TALK ABOUT THAT NONCONFORMING USE. WE HAVE VERY LITTLE IN THE CITY THAT'S AFFORDABLE. MOBILE HOMES ARE ABSOLUTELY A SOLUTION TO STEM THE TIDE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY, AND I'M NOT 100% CLEAR WHY WE [00:25:02] WOULD NOT LOOK, SINCE THERE IS TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE, ZONING. I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET THE ZONING TO MATCH WHAT IS REALLY THERE SO THAT WHO EVER IS RENTING IT NOW COULD RENT IT IN THE FUTURE. BUT THAT'S A FUNCTION OF HOW THE CITY ZONING LAWS WORK. I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE EXCHANGING LIGHT FOR LIGHT FROM THE COUNTY TO THE CITY, BUT AT THE END OF THE 180 DAYS, IF SOMEBODY CHANGES THEIR MIND, OR AT THE END OF THE LEASE, THAT IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT COULD BE GONE FOR FOREVER. AND THAT'S A PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE HAVE WHO LIVE HERE WHO WORK IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE AT THE VINTAGE ACROSS THE STREET AT 14TH. JUST HERE TO SPEAK UP FOR AFFORDABLE AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULDN'T FIND A ZONING THAT MATCHES THE MOBILE HOMES THAT ARE THERE. >> THANK YOU. MISS GIBSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE? >> WE ARE MATCHING LIKE FOR LIKE IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S CURRENTLY COMMERCIALLY ZONED AND HAS COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE. FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS JUST THAT. THE FUTURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THE CITY SEES AS FITTING FOR THAT AREA. GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE LOCATION AND THE SURROUNDING USES, WE FEEL THAT THAT IS FITTING FOR FUTURE LAND USE AND THE ZONING TO REMAIN IN THAT COMMERCIAL STATE. YOU TYPICALLY DON'T TRY TO MATCH YOUR NONCONFORMING USES IN THIS TYPE OF STATE. IT'S MORE OF THIS IS THE DIRECTION WITH OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT WE SEE THIS PORTION OF THE CITY DEVELOPING IN THE BEST INTEREST, THIS PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. >> MISS PRINCE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE AS WELL? >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN. YES. AGAIN, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH JACOB PLATT. IF WE WERE DENIED AN ANNEXATION, THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD, WHEN THE LEASE IS EXPIRED, LET THOSE TENANTS GO. THERE'S NO LAW THAT REQUIRES US TO KEEP THE NONCONFORMING USE. I THINK JAKE'S OPINION, WHICH IS CONSIDERED EXPERT TESTIMONY, FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS EXACTLY THAT. FUTURE LAND USE IN THE COUNTY IS ALSO COMMERCIAL. THAT'S WHY I SHOWED THE ONE PICTURE WITH THE DARK RED ALL THE WAY AROUND. THIS IS COMPLIANCE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT CORRIDOR. TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL IN THE MIDDLE OF IT WOULD GO AGAINST YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE NASSAU COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND JUST THE IDEA OF ZONING BEING CONSISTENT AND COMPACT AND SO THAT WOULD BE MY ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. EVEN IF IT WASN'T ANNEXED IN, THAT WOULD KEEP IT NONCONFORMING. >> RIGHT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE? >> CAN YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? >> SURE. >> YOU WOULD NEED TO GO UP AND SPEAK IN THE PODIUM SO WE CAN CATCH YOUR COMMENTS ON THE RECORDING. >> I'M SORRY. ELIZABETH ANNE CUBAN. JUST LIKE FIVE MINUTES AGO. >> WE DO THAT FOR THE RECORDING. THANK YOU. >> THE COMMENT I'M MAKING IS ABOUT THE PINK. FACT IS NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE COMMERCIAL OR WHAT IS ALREADY COMMERCIAL AND WOULD CONTINUE TO BE COMMERCIAL BACKED UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL. IT IS NOT UNHEARD OF IN THE PLANNING WORLD THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME POCKET NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MIGHT OFFER, AS THIS ONE DOES CURRENTLY, ALTERNATIVES IN TERMS OF HOUSING, BE THEY DUPLEXES, MOBILE HOMES, WHATEVER. YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A TRANSITION, IF YOU WILL, FROM THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR ON 14TH TO LETTING THOSE THINGS CONTINUE ON AS MOBILE HOMES AND THEN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BACK IN THE AREA. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> ALL RIGHT. YES. >> JACOB, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. ARE ALL OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, ARE THEY ALL SEPTIC CURRENTLY? [00:30:03] >> THE MOBILE HOMES? I WOULD BELIEVE SO, YES. >> IF IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE THEY HAVE A SEPTIC FAILURE OR REQUIRES A REPLACEMENT, WILL THEY BE FORCED TO GO ON CITY SEWAGE? >> IF THEY ARE IN THE CITY LIMITS AND IT'S AVAILABLE, THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO CONNECT, YES, SIR. >> OKAY. THAT'S THE REASON THEY'RE MAKING THE APPLICATION, FOR WATER AND SEWER. >> I WORRY ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL HAVING CALL IT THE RESOURCES IN ORDER TO DO THAT CONNECTION. >> IT WOULD BELONG TO THE PROPERTY OWNER SINCE THE PEOPLE ARE RENTERS. RENTER. >> I HAVE BEEN TOLD IT'S BETWEEN 10,000 TO 30,000. EVERY PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT. >> RIGHT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? >> MADAM CHAIR, SO THE AREA IN PINK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT IS THE ZONING? >> MU1. >> MULTIUSE 1. >> MULTIUSE. SO WHAT SHE'S PROPOSING IS THAT INSTEAD OF BEING C-1, IT WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE MIC IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK. SO SORRY. >> I THINK THAT MU-1 WOULD BE AN OKAY CLASSIFICATION IF THAT INCLUDES MOBILE HOMES. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. YOU CAN ALSO SEE YELLOW. THAT'S R-2. YOU HAVE A VARIETY OF THINGS GOING ON OVER THERE. WHATEVER IS APPLICABLE THAT ALLOWS US TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S AFFORDABLE TO SOMEONE WHO MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE OTHERWISE, THAT'S WHAT I'M FOR. I GET THAT WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERATE OF ALL THE VARIOUS THINGS GOING ON AROUND. >> I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS IT'S BEEN NONCONFORMING FOR SO LONG THAT EVERYTHING ELSE HAS GROWN UP AROUND IT. >> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. MY GRANDSON'S PRESCHOOL IS RIGHT OVER AROUND THE WAY. THERE'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ACROSS THE STREET. I UNDERSTAND THINGS HAVE REALLY CHANGED OVER TIME. I'M JUST HERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE HAVE SCANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, DILAPIDATED THOUGH IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ONE LITTLE PIECE THAT WE HAVE LEFT. I HATE TO LET IT GO. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. >> I THINK THIS BOARD, BECAUSE WE DEAL WITH THE COMP PLANS, ARE VERY AWARE OF THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT AS WE GO THROUGH OUR COMP PLAN REVISION PROCESS. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING YOUR COMMENTS. >> MISS PRINCE? >> TERESA PRINCE 406 ASH STREET. IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS WHY BECAUSE IT WASN'T IN THE PACKET THIS WAY. I THINK IT GIVES US A MUCH BETTER VIEW OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. JUST THAT THERE IS COMMERCIAL EVERYWHERE. I DO THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. IT'S JUST GROWN UP AROUND IT. AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ARGUMENT, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY APPLICABLE TO ANNEXING IN. IF WE WERE DENIED FOR SOME REASON BY THE CITY, WE COULD TOMORROW, YOU KNOW, BREAK EVERY LEASE AND SEND EVERYBODY OFF THAT PROPERTY. THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT NOT ANNEXING THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO KEEP IT AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND WE ARE NOT APPLYING FOR RESIDENTIAL ZONING, SO IF DENIED, WE CAN JUST STAY IN THE COUNTY AND DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO CLEAN UP THE PROPERTY, MAKE IT CONFORMING, GET ALL THE NONCONFORMING USE OFF OF IT AND COME BACK. WE'VE APPLIED FOR THE C-1 ON THE EASTERN SIDE AND C-2 ON THE WESTERN SIDE. I THINK THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SUPPORTS THAT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR SUPPORT TONIGHT. >> ANYMORE QUESTIONS? CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> ALL RIGHT. SO WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO -- >> I'M SORRY. >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IT'S BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY TO CONTINUE NONCONFORMANCE. THAT'S WHAT WE DO IN PLANNING AND ZONING. WE DON'T WRITE THE -- UNFORTUNATELY, THE HOUSING ISSUE IS STILL AN ISSUE. SAYING ALL THAT I VOTE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PAB CASE [00:35:04] 2020-0012 CITY COMMISSION REQUEST VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION OF THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE MAP FULL CATEGORY AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL C-1 AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL C-2 ZONING DISTRICT AS DESCRIBED BE APPROVED AND PAB CASE 2020-0012 AS PRESENTED IS SUFFICIENTLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BY FLORIDA STATUTES TO BE APPROVED AT THIS TIME. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE OR RAISE YOUR HAND. >> AYE. >> ANYONE OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW ITEM 6.1. SO THIS IS A DISCUSSION OF NEXT STEPS FOR THE COMP PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REVISION PROCESS. I THINK MISS GIBSON HAS A PRESENTATION OR SOME STUFF TO WORK THROUGH AND WILL LEAD THIS PORTION OF THE CONVERSATION. >> I HAVE A PRESENTATION FILE HERE FOR YOU. >> COME ON UP. >> OKAY. SO THIS EVENING I WANTED TO -- [6. BOARD BUSINESS] THAT DISCUSSION THAT SPECIAL MEETING THAT WE HAD SEPTEMBER 23RD. FROM THAT MEETING, I THINK WE GAINED A LOT OF INSIGHT FROM THE BOARD ABOUT WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED AND PROCESS AND ENGAGEMENT AMONG BOARD MEMBERS BUT ALSO IN SOME OF THE SUBSEQUENT E-MAILS THAT WE SENT TO YOU IN GETTING DISCUSSIONS FROM VARIOUS BOARD MEMBERS TALKING WITH YOU ABOUT HOW YOU FORESEE THIS MOVING FORWARD. SO AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT, I REALLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON FIRST REALLY STREAMLINING HOW WE HAVE AN OVERALL VIEW OF THE EFFORT INVOLVING BOTH THE COMP PLAN AS WELL AS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. I'M HOPING WE WILL GET SOME CONSENSUS ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS AN OVERALL EFFORT. I ALSO THINK WE WILL GET SOME CONSENSUS THIS EVENING ON THE STRUCTURE FOR REVIEW AND ENGAGEMENT WITH THE STAKE HOLDERS, BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL. AND THAT WE ARE ABLE TO BE REALLY WELL PREPARED FOR A MEETING OCCURRING ON OCTOBER 20TH BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION WHERE CHAIR MINSHEW WILL PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION REGARDING THE STATUS OF ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES FOR THIS BOARD OVER THE PAST YEAR. AND THERE'S BEEN QUITE A FEW. WE TACKLED A LOT OF BIG ISSUES WITHIN THE LAST 18 MONTHS AND AS WELL AS MOVING FORWARD AS WE GET THROUGH THIS NEXT PROCESS AS WE WORK THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THERE WERE A COUPLE KEY TAKE AWAYS I HAD FROM THE LAST MEETING. THE PRIMARY ONE IS WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS STAKE HOLDER INVOLVEMENT AND COMMUNITY BUY IN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY WANT TO ENSURE HAPPENS CONSISTENTLY AND THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THIS EFFORT. THE OTHER KEY TAKE AWAY I GOT FROM THAT MEETING IS THAT THE METHODS THAT WE USE IN WORKING AND INTERACTING WITH BOARD MEMBERS UNDER PREVIOUS TIME FRAMES AND WORKING THROUGH THE 2012 AMENDMENT WAS THAT THAT NECESSARILY WASN'T GOING TO WORK WITH THIS BOARD AND THERE WERE CONCERNS WIDESPREAD ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT WAS PUT IN BY INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS SO THAT WE NEEDED TO RETHINK WHAT THE BOARD INVOLVEMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THIS ITERATION. AND THE OTHER IS REALLY TRYING TO BETTER UNDERSTAND FROM THE EAR MEETING LAST APRIL AND MAY WHAT WERE THE KEY ISSUES THAT CAME FROM THOSE MEETINGS? AND SO YOU HAD THOSE FACILITATED NOTES PREVIOUSLY. CHAIR MINSHEW WENT THROUGH AND PREDATED A TABLE AND QUICKLY STARTED TO REALIZE THAT SHE WAS TRYING TO WRAP AROUND WHAT'S GOING ON SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAD IN UNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT WE HEARD AT THOSE MEETINGS WASN'T THAT YOUR COMP PLAN ISN'T WORKING WELL FOR YOU, BUT THAT IT HASN'T BEEN TRANSLATED INTO REGULATORY DOCUMENT THAT IS ACHIEVING WHAT [00:40:01] IS THE OVERALL LOOK AND FEEL FOR THE CITY AND ITS DEVELOPMENT. AND SO IT'S THAT TRANSLATION BETWEEN THE TWO WHERE THERE APPEARS TO BE A DISCONNECT AND REALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE COMP PLAN VISION AND WHAT IT'S COMMUNICATING UNDERSTOOD OVER HERE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ALL OF THE CORRESPONDING DOCUMENTS AND POLICIES THAT THE CITY HAS IN PLACE, WHETHER IT'S MUNICIPAL CODE, ACTION FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT, ACTION FROM THE BUILDING CODE OR OTHER AREAS THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTED TO HELP US ACHIEVE THAT LARGER VISION. I AM NOT ABLE TO CONTROL WHERE THE PLACEMENT OF THESE SPEAKERS ARE. KEEPING ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN MIND AND REALLY TRYING TO LOOK TOWARDS PREPARING FOR THAT UPCOMING PRESENTATION BEFORE THE COMMISSION, WANTED TO BETTER DEFINE THE ROLE OF THE BOARD. I THINK WE BRING IT BACK TO WHAT IS YOUR ACTUAL ROLE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR FLORIDA STATUTE. AT THIS MOMENT IT WILL BE REVIEW AN OVERSIGHT OF THE WORK THAT'S BEING PERFORMED. YOU WILL HAVE DOCUMENTS TO REVIEW AND YOU TAKE WHAT'S PROVIDED TO YOU IN THE FORM OF AN APPLICATION. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU AS INDIVIDUALS OR A GROUP SHOULDN'T BE ENGAGED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. THIS JUST GIVES YOU FLEXIBILITY AND THE DEGREE TO WHICH YOU WANT TO BE INVOLVED ON A DAY IN DAY OUT BASIS, WHETHER THAT'S WORKING WITH STAFF AND COORDINATING WITH A CONSULTANT, OR BEING ENGAGED WITH AN ADVISORY GROUP. YOU ARE ARE ABSOLUTELY WELCOME AND INVITED TO PARTICIPATE AT THAT POINT. THERE'S NO REASON YOU NEED TO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE WAITING UNTIL YOU'RE READY TO APPROVE SOMETHING. THEN THE OTHER COMPONENT IS THAT THERE WILL BE LOTS OF UPDATES AND LOTS OF CONTINUED CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY. SO IN ORDER TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY BUY-IN AND KEY STAKE HOLDERS, WE WOULD PROPOSE CONTINUING TO HAVE AN ADVISORY GROUP THAT IS UNDER THE CITY MANAGER'S GROUP THAT WILL HANDLE THE PLANNING CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD BE COMPRISED OF FIVE TO SEVEN BOARD MEMBERS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET MEMBERS OF OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, OUR CONSERVATION COMMUNITY, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS AND A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, BEING ABLE TO GO IN AND WORK WITH THE CODES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, HAVING INTERNAL CITY BASED GROUP THAT REALLY FUNCTIONS OUT OF OUR TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE BUT A IT'S JUST A GREAT OPPORTUNITY WHERE EVERYBODY IS ALTOGETHER ANYWAY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PARKS DEPARTMENT INVOLVED ALONG THE WAY AS DIFFERENT CHANGES ARE BEING COMTEMPLATED. IF I'M TALKING TOO QUICKLY OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO STOP ME. SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE TWO COMPONENTS WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE? FIRST BEING THE COMP PLAN, SECOND BEING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. YOU ARE EACH REQUIRED TO PROVIDE FEED BACK. THOSE WHO DID RESPOND AND NOT EVERYONE DID RESPOND, BUT THOSE WHO DID RESPOND FOR THE MOST PART THERE WAS ALIGNMENT ON WHERE YOU SAW THE ROLE OF STAFF VERSUS CONSULTANT. THERE WAS ALIGNMENT USING CONSULTING SERVICES. ALSO LOOKING AT OUR CONSERVATION MANAGEMENT ELEMENT AND SPECIFICALLY HIGHLIGHTING AREAS WOULD BE TOPIC DRIVEN OR ADAPTATION ACTIONS, PLANNING AREAS AND THERE WAS ALIGNMENT IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HANDLE OUR SUBELEMENT OF SUPPORT. I DO WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT AND ONE OTHER ELEMENT. THE FOURTH ELEMENT FOR THOSE WHO WERE NOT INVOLVED BACK IN 2013-2016, LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. IN 2013, THE COURT PREPARED AN ELEMENT FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER INCORPORATING INTO ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. A THAT POINT IT WAS REJECTED. NOT ONLY WAS THE MASTER PLAN PROPOSED REJECTED BY THE CITY, SO WAS THE CORRESPONDING &-P. OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 24 MONTHS OR SO, WE WORKED WITH THE PORT AUTHORITY AND VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE PORT AUTHORITY WITH THE PLANNING BOARD THROUGH A PLANNING BOARD SUBCOMMITTEE TO ATTEMPT TO CREATE A DOCUMENT WHICH WAS MORE ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY. ULTIMATELY IN AUGUST OF 2016 [00:45:07] THAT EFFORT ENDED AND BASICALLY AT THE SAME POINT WHERE IT STARTED. THE END RESULT OF IT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN ALL VIEW AND HAVE AVAILABLE. THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK PUT INTO THAT REVISION, BUT YOU HAVE DUELLING POLICIES. YOU CAN SEE THE COURT VERSION VERSUS THE CITY AND WHERE THERE'S ALIGNMENT OR NOT. BUT RIGHT NOW THAT DOCUMENT EXISTS. IT'S AVAILABLE. LOT OF EFFORT WENT INTO IT. ENGAGING WITH THE CONSULTANT WOULD BE HELPFUL ONLY IF THEY ARE SERVING AS A MEDIATOR TO GET US TO AGREEMENT. THE DOCUMENT DOES CONTAIN WHAT I BELIEVE WOULD BE IN KEEPING WITH TODAY'S VISION FOR THAT DOCUMENT FROM OUR COMMUNITY. SCHOOL CON CURRENCY ELEMENT THAT IS NO LONGER A REQUIREMENT UNDER FLORIDA LAW, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. BUT WHERE THERE ARE CHANGES THAT REALLY NEED TO BE MADE ADDRESS CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY OUR EAR PROCESS. THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT LEVEL NOT NECESSARILY THE POLICY DRIVEN AREAS. POLICIES WHICH WE HAVE IN PLACE ARE FUNCTIONING AND THEY'RE DOING JUST FINE TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. I'M NOT SEEING WHERE THAT IS NECESSARILY SOMETHING WE NEED TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO REVISE. WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS CONSISTENCY BETWEEN NASSAU COUNTY WITH THAT ELEMENT FOR OUR JURISDICTION ALONG WITH THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS SO THAT IT'S BEING APPLIED SIMILARLY, OR THE SAME. WHERE AS A STAFF WE SEE THE NEED FOR CHANGES WITHIN EXISTING COMP PLAN, THERE ARE AREAS THAT EVERYONE HAS ARTICULATED. THERE ARE AREAS THAT ARE NOT CLEAR, THAT COULD BE BETTER WRITTEN. THERE ARE AREAS OF REDUNDANCY TO STREAM LINE THE DOCUMENT DOWN TO WHAT REALLY IS THE INTENT BEHIND IT. BUT OVERALL IT READS WELL. IT IS VERY CLEAR IN WHAT IT'S ATTEMPTING TO ACHIEVE. UPDATING DATES, TIME FRAMES, REMOVING TIME FRAMES WHERE WE DON'T REALLY NEED IT. OR EVEN JUST ADDING IN OR SUBTRACT STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN MANDATED THROUGH THE CURRENT PLAN, MAKING THOSE CHANGES. MODIFYING OUTDATED REFERENCES. ONE OF THE OTHER KEY AREAS THAT WE HAVE MOVED INTO IS LANGUAGE AND HOW WE CONVEY POLICY LANGUAGE. CHANGING ALL THE SHALLS TO MUST IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO. THESE ARE ALL AREAS WE CAN COVER AND TAKE CARE OF AS PART OF AN OVERALL REVISION THAT I THINK ADDRESSES BOTH SOME OF THE COMMENTS AT THE EAR LEVEL. THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW YOU DO THIS AND WHETHER YOU HAVE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMP PLAN IN TANDEM OR HAVING TO DO THEM SEQUENTIALLY. IT DEPENDS. BASED ON THE DIRECTION PROVIDED BY THIS BOARD AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION, WE WANT TO SEE IF THE GOAL IS OVERHAUL OF THE COMP PLAN ITSELF. IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN, YES, WE CAN DO THAT SEQUENTIALLY SO THAT IT IS LOGICAL HOW WE TRANSLATE THAT INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF WE ARE MAKING TWEAKS AND CHANGES TO ADDRESS CURRENT NEEDS, CURRENT STANDARDS OR JUST TO ADDRESS A TOPIC SPECIFIC AREA, THEY CAN BE HANDLED IN TANDEM SO YOU HAVE GOING TOGETHER THE COMP PLAN PIECE, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED AT THE SAME TIME SO WE KNOW THE VISION IS VERY WELL ARTICULATED AND TRANSLATED INTO BOTH DOCUMENTS. THE REVIEW OF IT AT A STATE LEVEL IS THAT YOU WILL HAVE IT PASSED AT FIRST READING ON THE COMP PLAN SIDE AND WOULD HOLD THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PIECE UNTIL THE STATE REVIEW IS COMPLETED AND YOU MARRY THEM BACK UP. THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT COMPONENT OF PROCESS, IT DEPENDS ON THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADED WITH THE DEGREE OF CHANGE FOR THE COMP PLAN. STAFF, WHAT YOU ARE SEEING THIS EVENING IS REALLY WHERE WE SEE THE NEED FOR CHANGE AND MODIFICATION WITHIN THE COMP PLAN AS WELL AS THE ROLE OF CONSULTANT. WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THIS IS WHERE I BELIEVE AND JAKE FEELS THE SAME WAY, THIS IS WHERE THE BULK OF THE WORK REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN. YOU'VE HAD A CODE IN PLACE NOW SINCE 2006 AND IT HAS BEEN MODIFIED A LOT, A GREAT DEGREE OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME IN AN [00:50:01] EFFORT TO CONVEY NOT ONLY THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MOST RECENT COMP PLAN, BUT ALSO TO ADDRESS CURRENT NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND TO REMOVE ANY LACK OF CLARITY IN WHAT THAT DESIRED FORM OF DEVELOPMENT SHOULD LOOK LIKE. UNFORTUNATELY, AS A RESULT OF THE OVERALL NUMBER OF CHANGES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE, YOU HAVE A CODE THAT READS IN A BULKY WAY, THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS MAKE SENSE. AND SO ONE OF THE PRIMARY GOALS OF THIS EFFORT, IN MY MIND AND THE STAFF, WOULD BE CREATING A CODE THAT READS EASILY, MORE USER FRIENDLY. THAT IS ABLE TO TAKE MORE TO CO-S OR -- NOT NECESSARILY PHOTOS, BUT GRAPHIC DETAILS OF HOW WE WANT TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT TAKE PLACE AND TO CONVEY THAT THROUGH A HYBRID CODE, BOTH TRADITIONAL CODE THAT GIVES YOU THE CERTAINTY, ALONG WITH THE FORM BASED CODE. CREATING A SIMPLER DOCUMENT, TO THE EXTEND THAT WE CAN. AND THEN ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE OUTSTANDING CHANGES, WHICH I HAVE PROVIDED TO YOU AS PART OF AN E-MAIL THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. ANOTHER AREA FOR IMPROVEMENT WITHIN THIS PROCESS AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US IS TO REALLY THINK CRITICALLY ABOUT ALL OF OUR PROCESSES AND HOW WE CAN MAKE A PROCESS IMPROVEMENT ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF THINGS SO THERE'S GREATER EFFICIENCY, WHETHER WE CONTINUE TO GO TO BOARDS FOR REVIEW, VERSUS INTERNAL, AND HOW WE WANT TO SEE THAT TAKE PLACE. I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES BACK TO HOUSING IS CONTEMPLATION ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT TO SEE REDUCED STANDARDS FOR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY AND PROVIDING RESIDENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE A LITTLE OUT OF THE BOX. RIGHT NOW OUR STANDARDS REQUIRE THAT YOU HAVE LOTS OF THINGS IN PLACE, BUT THE MAIN DETERMINE IS THERE'S A FIVE ACRE MINIMUM AND SO OFTEN NOTE OUR PROPERTIES ARE NOT OF THAT SIDE AND WILL NOT QUALIFY. THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IN THIS PROCESS. OK OKAY. >> WHAT QUESTIONS DO PEOPLE HAVE? YOU POSTED SOMETHING ONLINE YOU HAD A QUESTION? JENNY? >> I WAS JUST POSTING TO MEMBERS OF THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, JUST LOCAL REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS AND THE CHAMBER, IF WE COULD. MY QUESTION IS, WERE WE ABLE TO COME UP WITH -- WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME. WITH A LIST OF THINGS THAT WERE NOT WORKING? DO WE HAVE A GUIDE LIKE THAT? OR ARE WE WORKING ON THAT? >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY WE'RE NOT WORKING? >> THINGS THAT WERE SPECIFIC FROM THE LIST THAT PEOPLE GAVE US DURING ALL THE MEETINGS THAT WERE ALREADY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR THINGS THAT WERE NOT? >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EAR WORK? >> YES. >> WE TOOK THAT AND PUT IT IN A SPREAD SHEET AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE SECTIONS THAT IT APPLIES TO. BUT AS WE LOOK THROUGH IT, THE ISSUES REALLY ARE NOT SO MUCH COMP PLAN ISSUES AS THEY ARE IMPLEMENTATION AND ENFORCEMENT ISSUES. SO THAT GOES BACK OVER TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. YEAH, WE CAN EASILY PULL THOSE INTO THE APPROPRIATE SECTIONS AS PART OF THE FINDING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT. >> I AGREE WITH THAT. IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD POST THE RESULTS OF THAT TO JUST KIND OF HELP? I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE -- >> SURE. >> -- WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. >> YES. IT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK ON IT, BUT WE CAN GET THAT OUT. KELLY, CAN WE COMMIT TO A DATE IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS TO GET THAT REVIEW FINALIZED? >> GIVE ME UNTIL NEXT WEDNESDAY. >> WE CAN GET IT OUT NEXT WEDNESDAY. >> CAN YOU ALSO SEND US THIS THING HERE? >> SO MISS GINGHER HAVE A QUESTION? >> YEAH. KELLY, I'M STILL NOT CLEAR. THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE INTERNAL COMMITTEE, ARE THEY LIAISONS TO THE PLANNING AND BUDGET BOARD OR TO THE BOTTOM LAYER? >> BOTH. >> SO THEY WOULD BE WORKING TO SUPPORT THE BOTTOM LAYER AND THE EFFORT WOULD OVER ALL BE REVIEWED BY PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. BOTH OF THESE COMMITTEES WOULD BE WORKING DIRECTLY WITH CITY STAFF AND PLANNING STAFF SPECIFICALLY. [00:55:04] >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. WHAT QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE? >> KELLY -- GO AHEAD. >> WE TALKED ABOUT THE LDC. ONE OF THE GOALS WOULD BE IN THIS REWRITE TO, INSTEAD OF A PARTICULAR ITEM BEING REFERENCED AND SEVERAL DIFFERENT SECTIONS THAT WE WOULD TRY TO BRING IT UP SO THAT IF SOMEONE LOOKS AT THE FIRST PAGE AND SAYS, OH, I THINK I'M IN COMPLIANCE HERE, BUT THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT PAGE 10 AND 20 AND 30, SOMEHOW PULLING ALL OF THOSE REFERENCES SO THAT WHEN THEY HAVE A QUESTION ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF X, THAT'S ALL IN ONE PLACE. IS THAT THE CONCEPT OF THE GRAPH, THE MATRIX? IS THAT THE MATRIX CONCEPT OR DO YOU THINK IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT'S ALSO IN THE VERBIAGE AND ORGANIZATION FOR LDC? >> I THINK IT'S BOTH. I THINK IT'S A CHANGE TO HOW WE HAVE THE CODE ITSELF ORGANIZED TO DEPICT WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE. IT'S ALSO SHOWING THE FORM OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT FOR A PARTICULAR USE WHERE THAT'S ALLOWED. >> IT'S A VISUAL AS WELL AS -- IT'S A PICTURE IN ADDITION TO JUST THE VERBIAGE? >> YES. >> I THINK THAT'S GOOD. MR. STEVENSON? >> YOU PRETTY MUCH HAD THE SAME QUESTION I HAD, SO I'M GOOD. >> MR. BOYLAN? >> NO, I MEAN, I AGREE, WE JUST GOT TO -- I HATE TO SEE US WORKING ON ELEMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UNLESS WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THEM IN THE COMP PLAN. LOOKS LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO. I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE FROM AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE JUST GET A GOOD CROSS SECTION OF FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY. >> YES. WE TALKED ABOUT IT. I THINK JENNY MENTIONED THE CHAMBER. WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE CHAMBER, ACTUALLY KELLY SPOKE WITH REGINA DUNCAN TODAY. SHE WILL BE OUR PRIMARY LIAISON. SHE'D LIKE TO BE THE PRIMARY LIAISON. W WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE THE CHAMBER BEHIND US. WE WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE THE TREE C CONSERVANCY. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE SOME REPRESENTATION FROM THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY ON THIS ADVISORY BOARD SO THAT, AGAIN, WHEN YOU START DEALING WITH COMPONENTS AND POCKETS OF THE CITY, THAT'S A VERY UNDER REPRESENTED GROUP IN TERMS OF CITY GOVERNMENT AND COMMUNITY BOARD WORK. SO I THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT THAT COMMUNITY IS ALSO WELL REPRESENTED. SO WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS. THEN THIS GIVES US THE FRAME WORK THEN TO SIT DOWN WITH THE CONSULTANT AND SAY, WE'RE NOT JUST GONNA HAND YOU THIS NEW BOOK AND SAY, GO REWRITE IT AND COME BACK, BUT TO SAY WE NEED YOU TO PARTNER WITH US ON THESE PARTICULAR ELEMENTS. WE ARE GOING TO NEED SOME OVERALL PROJECT MANAGEMENT TO HELP US KEEP TRACK OF ALL THIS. IT'S A COMPLEX PART SO WE'LL NEED SOME PROJECT MANAGEMENT. WE'LL ALSO NEED SOME HELP WITH THE CONSULTANTS IN TERMS OF DOING SOME OF THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, AS WELL AS WEBSITE DEVELOPMENT OR INTERACTION IN TO HOW WE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE COMMUNITY BETTER. ALL THOSE THINGS THAT IT'S EASY FOR CONSULTING TEAMS THAT BRING TO THE TABLE AND ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH HOW THIS PROJECT WOULD WORK. WE STILL DON'T HAVE A FINAL TIMELINE. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO SIT DOWN. AND THEN BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION, KELLY AND I CAN SIT DOWN AND TAKE THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF WORK THAT SHE HAD ORPBL NATURALLY CREATED AND WE CAN ADJUST IT SO THAT WE CAN HANDOFF. CITY COMMISSION MEETING ON THE 20TH, TWO THINGS ARE HAPPENING. WE ARE GIVING -- I'M GIVING A REPORT ON WHAT THE BOARD, LIKE AN ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE BOARD AND THE WORK WE'VE DONE. PLUS OUR PROJECT PLANS FOR HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. [01:00:07] THIS WOULD BE A COMPONENT OF IT. FOUR CONSULTANTS THAT WE RANKED BACK A COUPLE MONTHS AGO THAT THE APPROVAL TO BEGIN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TOP ONE WOULD NEED APPROVAL FROM CITY COMMISSION. THAT WILL ALSO BE ON THEIR AGENDA FOR THE 20TH AS WELL. >> WHAT I HAVE HEARD, I THINK I HEAR, IS THAT AS WE LOOK AT THE WORK THAT PERHAPS WE WILL ASK THE CONSULTANT TO DO IS MORE OF SOME UPDATING OF THE COMP PLAN NOT A COMPLETE REWRITE. WE VALUE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN OUR COMP PLAN THAT THIS BOARD AND THE CITY COMMISSION HAVE ADDRESSED OVER TIME AS BEING REALLY PERSONAL ISSUES TO THE CITY AND HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED IN THE COMP PLAN AND THE LAND USE REGULATIONS. WE WOULDN'T WANT TO LOSE THOSE THINGS BY A COMPLETE NEW REWRITE. SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS. SOMETIMES SOMEBODY SAYS, WE DON'T NEED THAT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU DON'T HAVE IT ANYMORE. I THINK IF WE FOCUS ON THE REWRITE OR ADDRESSING THE ISSUES THAT KELLY AND HER STAFF HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT NEED BRINGING ATTENTION TO, THEN I THINK A LOT OF THE HEAVY LIFT THEN WILL BE THE LDC AND GETTING THAT TO REFLECT WHAT WE WANT TO ENSURE GETS DONE BY AN INTERPRETATION OF THE COMP PLAN. I ATTENDED THE MEETINGS. ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WAS ENFORCEMENT AND MAKING SURE OUR LDC IS MORE SPECIFIC IN ENFORCEMENT. WE'VE DONE A LOT, PARTICULARLY WITH THE TREE ORDINANCE. THE TREE ORDINANCE WENT FROM NOT MUCH TO SOME VERY SPECIFIC FINES, AND HERE'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO YOU IF YOU CUT THIS TREE DOWN AND THAT KIND OF THING. I THINK WE STARTED ON A GOOD DIRECTION AND I THINK THE HEAVY LIFT IS GOING TO BE THE LDC, WHICH I THINK IS ACTUALLY MORE COMPLICATED, BECAUSE IT DOES INVOLVE CITY CODE, STATE BUILDING CODES, A LOT OF TECHNICAL PIECES THAT GO INTO THE LDC. I KNOW MR. BENNETT HAS BEEN THROUGH THIS MUCH MORE THAN WE HAVE. I THINK THAT'S WHERE I SEE OUR ATTENTION NEEDS TO BE FOCUSED ON AS WE LOOK AT HOW TO ENCAPSULATE OUR EFFORTS GOING FORWARD. >> AND THEN THIS BOARD WILL REVIEW EVERY WORD AND EVERY SECTION THAT GETS REWRITTEN OR CUT. WE WILL SEE THE CHANGES AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON THEM AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS. SO I THINK AS SOON AS THIS GETS OFF THE GROUND, WHAT YOU'LL BEGIN TO SEE ON AGENDAS IS COMPONENTS OF COMP PLAN VERBIAGE CHANGES AND LDC VERBIAGE CHANGES FOR US TO COMMENT ON EITHER AGREE TO OR WHAT WE OFTEN DO IS PUSH IT BACK TO THE STAFF AND SAY, HERE ARE FIVE MORE THINGS WE'D LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT OR THINK ABOUT AND BRING IT BACK IN. >> I LIKE THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> I WOULD CONCUR. I TRIED TO READ THE COMP PLAN. IT'S SLOW READING, BUT IT IS A VERY, VERY GOOD DOCUMENT. THERE MAY BE SOME ISSUES. THERE'S A FEW CASES. THE FUNDAMENTAL DOCUMENT I THINK IS A QUITE ADEQUATE DOCUMENT. I WOULD SEE THE DEFICIT NEED -- THE LDC, WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT. THAT'S WHAT BASICALLY I THINK IS GOING TO HELP THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BECOME MORE EFFICIENT, MORE PRODUCTIVE, ALL THE RIGHT THINGS TO WHERE IT CAN SAVE SOME TIME AND GRIEF AND MONEY. SO I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT VISION OF GOING DOWN, LOOK AT THE LDC AS THE PRIMARY FOCAL ELEMENT. >> THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED A LOOK. INTERMODAL TRANSPORTATION IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT WILL FACE US AS A COMMUNITY. NOT JUST US, BUT ALL OF NASSAU [01:05:07] COUNTY AS A COMMUNITY OVER THE NEXT 10, 20 YEARS. SO THAT REALLY REQUIRES PROBABLY A HARD LOOK WITH NEW EYES. CLEARLY ONE COMPONENT THAT WE WOULD LOOK TO BRING IN SOME ADDITIONAL EXPERTISE ON. >> WHERE WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT MIGHT OFFER A SOLUTION IN THE SENSE OF IF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS OFF ISLAND BUT THERE'S A LOGISTICAL PROCESS TO GET THOSE PEOPLE ON ISLAND FOR THEIR JOBS AND SO FORTH, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SOLVE THAT ISSUE A LITTLE MORE EFFECTIVE IT. IT GOES BACK TO INTERMODAL TRANSPO TRANSPORTATION. >> IT'S NOT PART OF THE CITY. WE CAN DEAL WITH THE TRANSPORTATION PART OF IT. ONE OF THE THINGS I WORK FOR IS THIS INTERCONNECTIVITY AND DOING SOMETHING OTHER THAN DRIVING CARS. WALKING, BICYCLING, GOLF CARTS, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THE CARS OFF THE STREETS. SO FAR THE CITY IS WORKING IN THAT DIRECTION. NOW WE JUST HAVE A NEW PATH FROM SCHOOL TO DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW? AND WE HAVE SOME OTHER PATHS AROUND. SO WE'RE WORKING IN THAT DIRECTION. IT COMES DOWN TO COST AND HOW MUCH WE'LL SPEND IN ORDER TO DO THOUGH KINDS OF THINGS. >> EVERYTHING COMES DOWN TO COST. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> SHE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE PLANT WITH FIVE ACRES. FIVE ACRES IS KIND OF TOUGH TO GET TOGETHER IN THE CITY. THAT WOULD BE A BIG ELEMENT TO TACKLE, STARTING WITH WHAT SIZE ARE YOU GOING TO DO AND THEN GOING FROM THERE. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR WORKING IN THE CITY AND THAT WOULD IN ITSELF MAYBE SOLVE SOME ISSUES. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD? >> I'LL MAKE ONE LAST COMMENT. >> WAIT. AND THEN I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE FLOOR. >> BACK TO MARK'S POINT, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO FIND THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE FACING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUE AS THEIR WHOLE ECONOMIC STRUCTURE CHANGES. AS THEY GROW, THEY'RE GOING TO RUN INTO SOME OF THE SAME PROBLEMS AND LOGISTICAL ISSUES. IT MAY BE A CASE WHERE THERE CAN BE A PARTNERSHIP FORMED ON THAT. >> MISS KIRKLAND DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY? COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND DO THE NORMAL THING. >> MARGRET KIRKLAND 1377 PLANTATION POINT DRIVE. I THINK IT SOUNDS GOOD. OUR GROUP IS WORKING ON THE COMP PLAN. ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACCORDING TO STAFF AND ACCORDING TO EXTERNAL ATTORNEYS IS THAT IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE. A BIG PART OF THAT IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, OF COURSE. BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN ENFORCEABLE DOCUMENT, THE LANGUAGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS SPECIFIC ENOUGH SO THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR CERTAIN THINGS AND THAT THERE ARE DEADLINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF IT. I WOULD ALSO SAY, AND OF COURSE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A BIG ISSUE. YOU MENTIONED TRANSPORTATION. LORI HAS BEEN WORKING A LOT ON TRANSPORTATION. THIS IS A BIG ISSUE BECAUSE OF POPULATION IN THE COUNTY AND SO ON. I ALSO WANT TO REMIND US THAT WHILE THE COMP PLAN THAT WAS WRITTEN AND VOTED ON IN 2011 WAS A WONDERFUL DOCUMENT IN MANY WAYS. I MAY HAVE SAID BEFORE THAT WHEN I MOVED DOWN HERE, I READ YOUR COMP PLAN ONLINE AND SAID, OKAY, I CAN LIVE THERE. >> THEN MOVED TO THE COUNTY. >> BUT ANYWAY, SO WONDERFUL DOCUMENT. AS WE LOOK AT OTHER COMP PLANS, WE SEE THAT A LOT OF THE OTHERS THAT WERE WRITTEN ABOUT THE SAME TIME HAVE THE SAME SORT OF STYLE AND APPROACH. I THINK WE LIVE IN A DIFFERENT WORLD NOW. OR MAYBE THE WORLD IS NOT DIFFERENT, BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE LIVE IS DIFFERENT. WE LIVE ON A BARRIER ISLAND. WE ARE FACING CHANGES IN WEATHER [01:10:08] PATTERNS. WE ARE FACING FLOODING. WE ARE FACING DIFFERENT KINDS OF STORMS DEVELOPING THAN WE'VE SEEN BEFORE. AND WE ALSO HAVE SEA LEVEL RISE. AND FERNANDINA BEACH, I HAVE KNOWN THAT PROBABLY LONGER THAN MOST ON THE EAST COAST BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN MEASURING IT FOREVER. WE LIVE IN A DIFFERENT WORLD AND WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT. OKAY? WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT WILL MAKE US SUSTAINABLE, OKAY? FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO BE ENVIRONMENTALLY SUSTAINABLE. IF WE ARE ENVIRONMENTALTY SUSTAINABLE, WE WILL BE SOCIALLY SUSTAINABLE AND ECONOMICALLY SUSTAINABLE. BUT IF WE ARE NOT ENVIRONMENTALLY SUSTAINABLE, WE WILL NOT BE SOCIALLY OR ECONOMICALLY SUSTAINABLE. SO I THINK THE WORLD WE LIVE IN NOW IS DIFFERENT AND IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE STUDIES THAT THE COUNTY DID ON VULNERABILITY, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND YOU THE LINK. BUT THAT SHOULD HAVE OPENED ALL OF OUR EYES, REALLY, TO HOW VULNERABLE WE ARE. AND THAT'S JUST ONE OF MANY DOCUMENTS OUT THERE. AND WE'VE SEEN SEA LEVEL RISE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD. SOME PEOPLE HAVE SEEN IT AT THEIR BACK DOOR HERE. I THINK WE NEED TO BE PREPARED. WE NEED TO BE SUSTAINABLE AS SUSTAINABLE AS POSSIBLE AND WE NEED TO BE AS RESILIENT AS POSSIBLE. I KNOW THE STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING IN THAT DIRECTION. THE WAY I VIEW THE LAST COMP PLAN IS THAT WAS SORT OF THE FIRST STEP. IT WAS A STEP TOWARD BEING MORE SUSTAINABLE AND MORE RESILIENT. NOW WE NEED TO GO TO ANOTHER LEVEL SO THAT WE ARE PREPARED. I HAVEN'T HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH KELLY AND THE REST OF THE STAFF, BUT THAT IS SORT OF MY WORLD VIEW ON IT. WE ARE UTILIZING EXPERTS IN THE COMMUNITY TO INFORM WHAT WE WRITE. WE'LL PRESENT THAT. IT WON'T BE THE ONLY THING THAT YOU RECEIVE. WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WILL BE WORKING ON THIS BUT IT WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME USEFUL INFORMATION. >> IN TERMS OF THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING, WHEN WILL YOU BE READY TO SHOW US OR HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE POSITIONS THAT YOU'RE BRINGING TO THE TABLE ARE THE THINGS MOST CRITICAL TO YOU? >> YEAH. WE ARE WORKING ON ALL OF THE ELEMENTS EXCEPT TWO, OKAY? THOSE TWO OBVIOUSLY, THE PORT ISSUE AND THE SCHOOL FACILITIES. WE'RE NOT WORKING ON THOSE. WE'RE WORKING ON THE OTHERS. I THOUGHT FOR A BRIEF MOMENT THAT MAYBE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ONE OTHER WE MIGHT DROP. I LOOKED AT THEM AND THOUGHT, OH MY GOD, WE CAN'T DO THAT. BUT A EVERYTHING INTERRELATES. OKAY? THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN -- MARK KNOWS THIS BECAUSE HE'S DONE THIS BEFORE. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS VERY COMPLICATED. YOU HAVE LITTLE THREADS HERE THAT LINK TO LITTLE THREADS OVER THERE. IT'S ALL INTERRELATED. AND YOU CAN DO A PART OF IT AND YOU THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, BUT THERE ARE LOOPHOLES OVER HERE AND ANOTHER GOAL THAT YOU NEED TO DEAL WITH, SO IT ALL NEEDS TO FIT TOGETHER NICELY. I WAS LAUGHING WHEN YOU ASKED ME WHEN BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE MAY, RIGHT? FIRST I SAID, OH, WE SHOULD HAVE THOSE UNDER CONTROL BY THE END OF JULY, RIGHT? THEN I SAID BY THE END OF AUGUST. AND THEN I SAID THE END OF SEPTEMBER, OKAY. I AM HOPING THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS EASY FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO PROCESS BY MID [01:15:09] NOVEMBER. >> YAY, OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO -- >> THAT CAN CHANGE. >> I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON THAT. WE APPRECIATE IT AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE. VICE MAYOR, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOME SOMETHING? >> LEN KRUGER. AS WE KNOW, I DON'T GENERALLY ATTEND THESE BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOAL TO TRY TO INFLUENCE YOU. JUST SO HAPPENS THAT I SPENT SIX YEARS ON PAB. MARK WAS PART OF THE REWRITE. IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. >> YOU WERE A CHAMPION FOR WHAT THEN? >> CONSERVATION. >> OKAY. >> I HAVE WATCHED THIS PROCESS CONSTANTLY AND WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THE COMP PLAN AND WHAT WAS UP THERE IS PRETTY MUCH I HAVE MADE MY CASE IN WRITING ON HOW I WOULD DO THIS. IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT. I WANT TO MAKE THE POINT THAT THE COMP PLAN, MAKE THE POINT YOU ARE THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY AND THE LAW BASICALLY ASSIGNS YOU THE RESPONSIBILITY. I HAVE MADE THE POINT THAT THAT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PAB TO DRIVE THE STAFF. ONE OF MY ISSUES IS THAT IT HAS TO COME UNDER THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND PAB. THE COMP PLAN, LDC COMP PLAN MAY WORK TOGETHER BUT PERSONALLY I WILL TELL YOU WE ALL KNOW THE COMP PLAN IS BASICALLY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE CITY. LEGALLY IT CAN BE ENFORCEABLE ALTHOUGH IT TENDS TO BE CONTRADICTORY. THE BEST CASE IS A WILDLIFE CASE THAT THE COURTS DECIDED IN FAVOR OF RAINIER BUT A THE COMP PLAN SAID THE COUNTY WOULD PROVIDE THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ENFORCEABILITY AS MUCH AS IMPLEMENTATION. IT WAS A GREAT COMP PLAN. WE PROBABLY IMPLEMENTED THIS MUCH OF IT. THOSE ARE THE THINGS. BUT I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO GO. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE COST EFFICIENCY AND THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED. I THINK THE MONEY'S THERE AND THE TALENT'S THERE TO DO ALL OF THAT. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? >> NOT TO INFLUENCE YOU. >> NONE TAKEN. ANYBODY ELSE? SO I THINK WE HAVE A PATH FORWARD ON THIS. KELLY, DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED? DO YOU HAVE COMFORTABLE? SO KELLY AND I WILL BE PUTTING TOGETHER THE REST OF OUR WORK PRODUCT FOR THE MEETING ON THE 20TH. WE WILL GET IT OUT TO YOU ALL. IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THE MEETING ON THE 20TH, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME. >> WHERE IS IT? >> HERE. >> 20TH. >> OCTOBER 20TH. TUESDAY. TUESDAY. NEXT CITY COMMISSION MEETING. AND WE ARE NUMBER 2 ON THE AGENDA UNDER THE PRESENTATIONS. THEN THE ISSUE WITH THE CONSULTANTS ARE A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN IN THE AGENDA. BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME, I WOULD WELCOME THE SUPPORT. >> COME EARLY. SEATING IS LIMITED. >> JUST LIKE THIS. YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, AGAIN, KELLY AND JAKE FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS. NEXT ITEM IS FINALIZE MAPPING CONFLICTS. I THINK THERE WAS A LIST THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE IN FRONT THE BOARD. >> IF YOU DON'T MIND, KEU DO THAT? >> PAGE 78 IS ONE OF THEM. >> YEAH. MY COMPUTER. >> FIRST ONE IS BOUNDARY ERRORS. THEN PROPERTY USE ERRORS. ARE WE IN THE RIGHT PLACE? >> YES. I CAN INTRODUCE THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS FOLLOWING UP ON OUR CONVERSATION THAT THE BOARD HAS HAD ABOUT WANTING TO REALLY FINALIZE WHERE WE ARE AT IN THAT PROCESS OF REVIEWING THE MAPPING ERRORS THAT WE WENT THROUGH LAST YEAR AND WHAT ARE THOSE OUTSTANDING AREAS. WE HAD COMMISSION DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ADDRESSING WHERE THERE WERE INCONSISTENCIES TO LAND USE AND ZONING AND A SECOND ISSUE TO ADDRESS CONSERVATION AND WHERE CONSERVATION, LAND USE SHOULD BE APPLIED. SO THOSE TWO PIECES OF THE PUZZLE HAVE NOW H BEEN ADDRESSE IN TOTAL AND THE REMAINING TASKS THAT WERE PERFORMED AS PART OF [01:20:05] OVERALL STAFF ANALYSIS ARE WITHIN THE AREAS YOU SEE PRESENTED TO YOU NOT ON THE SCREEN, BUT I CAN MAKE IT ON THE SCREEN. IT IS ALSO PART OF THE AGENDA PACKET. IT WILL BE SMALL WHEN I PRESENT IT TO YOU. BUT THEY ARE IN TWO DIFFERENT AREAS. ONE IS AS IT RELATES TO BOUNDARY AREAS WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE A PROPERTY THAT HAS MULTIPLE ZONING AND LAND USE DISTRICTS ON IT SO THAT IT'S NOT EQUALLY HANDLED. THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY A BIG PROBLEM IN THAT YOUR DEVELOPMENT CODE ALREADY ADDRESSES WHERE SITUATIONS LIKE THAT OCCUR. THAT THE LARGER PORTION OF THE ZONINGS WOULD APPLY TO THE ENTIRETY OF THE PARCEL. SO PROVIDE TO YOU PARCEL NUMBERS AND BACKGROUND ABOUT THE PROPERTIES. IF I CAN SHARE THEM. SO YOU COULD SEE WHERE IT IS AT. WE HAVE NOT BROUGHT THIS BACK FORWARD TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THEIR REVIEW. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT HERE FIRST AND TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL ACTION YOU WOULD LIKE STAFF TO TAKE ON RESOLVING THESE BOUNDARY ISSUES. THE SECOND COMPONENT TO THAT ON A SEPARATE PAGE IS WHERE WE FOUND USE ISSUES. I KNOW WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED THIS IN THE PAST. THERE ARE TWO PARTICULAR AREAS WHERE THIS REALLY IS HIGHLIGHTED, A GLARING ISSUE. YOU HAVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE TOWN HOMES ALONG FIRST AVENUE THAT ARE CLEARLY IN COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS AND THEN CONVERSELY YOU HAVE RESTAURANT HOTEL/MOTEL IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS CLEARLY COMMERCIAL IN NATURE. AGAIN LOOKING TO YOU FOR SOME DIRECTION ON THIS. IS THIS SOMETHING AS A COMMUNITY WE WANT TO TACKLE AND CHANGE OR SOMETHING YOU MAINTAIN AS NONCONFORMING IN BOTH SCENARIOS AND IF AND WHEN THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A CHANGE, WE CONSIDER THAT CHANGE AT THAT POINT IN TIME. >> PROPERTY OWNERS BEEN CONTACTED ON ANY OF THESE? >> NOT DIRECTLY, NO. >> WHEN I LOOK AT FOR EXAMPLE YOUR PROPERTY USE ERRORS, I'LL JUST USE THE SEARCH AS ONE OF THESE. IT SAYS RESIDENTIAL BUT ALSO DOING COMMERCIAL WORK. THAT ALMOST COMES DOWN TO BEST USE OF WHAT IS THE FUTURE OUTLOOK OF THE PROPERTY FROM THE OWNER'S POINT OF VIEW BEFORE THE CITY DECIDES TO FLIP A COIN AND GO ONE OR THE OTHER. >> RIGHT. >> THEY NEED TO BE CONTACTED AND HAVE A DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT THEY THINK. >> IT WAS VERY INTERESTING ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR EXAMPLE IS THAT IT WAS CHANGED FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL ANTICIPATING THAT THERE WOULD BE LARGE SCALE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY FOR RESORT RENTAL. THAT'S WHY THAT'S BEEN APPLIED TO IT. SINCE THAT POINT IN TIME THERE'S BEEN SALES TRANSACTION AND EVEN THROUGH THOSE SALES TRANSACTIONS THERE WAS A PENDING CASE BEFORE THE BOARD AT ONE POINT TO CONVERT BACK TO COMMERCIAL. BECAUSE IT IS SO LIMITED IN THE NATURE AND SCALE OF ITS COMMERCIAL AND NONCONFORMING USE, THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY VERY QUICKLY BECAME AWARE OF THIS REQUESTED ACTION AND WANTED TO SEE IT MAINTAINED AS RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IT LIMITS THEIR REDEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL UNDER GENERAL COMMERCIAL. SO THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLICATED AND VARYING ISSUES HERE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE CHANGES. >> LAND DEVELOPED SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY. >> THEY DID. >> THAT'S THE ONLY POINT I WOULD MAKE. IT IS REALLY NOT A DECISION WE CAN MAKE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO INVOLVE THE PROPERTY OWNERS. >> ARE WE SAYING FROM THAT FIRST ROUND OF GOING THROUGH, LOOKING AT ALL THE ERRORS, THIS IS ALL THAT'S LEFT. >> THIS IS WHAT'S LEFT. >> THIS AND THE OTHER THREE. >> THERE'S AT LEAST 12 THEN. >> THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP ORIGINALLY IS I WANTED TO CLOSE -- I WANT TO CLOSE AN ISSUE. THIS ISSUE IS CLOSED, BUT UNTIL WE DEAL WITH THESE 12. ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO, AS THIS BOARD, IS GO BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE 12 AND SAY WE RECOMMEND NO ACTION AND JUST LEAVE THEM ALONE AND THAT WE RECOGNIZE THERE'S A MISMATCH, BUT THEY'RE NOT IMPACTING ANYTHING, THAT WE DO NOT NEED TO -- IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF WORK AND EFFORT TO MEMBER BENNETT'S POINT -- >> I THINK WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING OR ONE DAY IT WILL [01:25:02] COME BACK, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? WE HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME. HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? THE HOTELS, THAT WAS STARTED IN 2002, 2003 OR 2004, I CAN RECALL. >> WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND AS A PATH FORWARD? >> SOME OF THEM I THINK ARE RELATIVELY EASY. SOME ON 1ST AVENUE, THEY'RE CURRENTLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THAT WAS RELATIVELY QUICKLY TO TAKE CARE OF. SOME ARE MORE COMPLICATED. I SAY BREAK IT UP. TAKE CARE OF THE EASY ONES. THE HARDER ONES, THE ONES HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND ALSO GENERAL COMMERCIAL, THERE'S A REAL PROBLEM AREA BECAUSE THE PROPERTIES -- I THINK VALUE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO. AS RESIDENTIAL, HIGH DENSITY CONDOMINIUMS, THAT MIGHT BE MORE VALUABLE THAN A RESTAURANT AND A MOTEL. I THINK, AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO BRING THE OTHER PROPERTIES INTO IT AND GET THAT RESOLVED ALSO. RATHER THAN JUST TAKE AN ACTION. THAT'S MY POINT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME LIKE -- >> NO. YOU'RE ALWAYS SO SENSIBLE. >> I AM. >> I'M JUST IN AWE. >> SO YOU BELIEVE WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THESE? >> WE'VE BEEN HANGING ON TO THEM. JUST GET THEM OUT AND FINISH THEM. CERTAINLY IS A TASK WE CAN START NOW. WE TALK ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS AND MEANWHILE WE'RE JUST COMING TO MEETINGS AND TALKING. SO I WOULD SAY CERTAINLY, WE CAN GET SOME OF THESE OUT OF THE WAY. THAT WOULD BE MY POINT. >> ALL RIGHT. MR. STEVENSON. >> I WOULD JUST GENERALLY ASK THIS QUESTION. IS IT POSSIBLE MAYBE KELLY, JACOB, PUT THESE INTO TWO PILES? I THINK MARK'S GOT A GOOD SUGGESTION. IF YOU CAN TAKE SIX OF THEM, CHECK THEM OFF AND SAY, WE'RE ALL SET, WE AGREE, THAT GETS HALF THE PILE CLEARED. >> I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY. I DO THINK THE SECOND LIST, THERE ARE TWO SECTIONS BECAUSE TEY'RE TWO ISSUES. MISS SCHAFFER, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> I DO THINK THAT IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX ANYTHING THAT'S BROKEN SO I WOULD LIKE TO TACKLE THESE. >> ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I THINK THE FIRST STEP IS TO GET SOME NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND GET THEM INVOLVED. >> ALL RIGHT. >> REACH OUT TO THEM. THESE ONES ON 1ST AVENUE, THEY ARE SURROUNDED BY R-1 AND R-2. TO PUT JUST THOSE INTO R-3 THEN OPENS UP A WHOLE OTHER DEVELOPMENT POSSIBILITY IN THAT AREA. RIGHT? >> ONE OF THEM ON THE CORNER IS ACROSS FROM THE FIRE STATION. >> I HAVE TO FAMILIARIZE MYSELF WITH THE CONFIGURATION FOR EACH OF THEM BUT BASED ON DEVELOPMENT DENSITY AT THE PRESENT TIME, WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT R-3 ZONING DISTRICT TO CONTINUE FORWARD AND NOT CONTINUE BEING A NONCONFORMITY. THAT'S SOMETHING TO REALLY THINK THROUGH. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THAT LEVEL OF ANALYSIS TPENOUGH TO SPEAK T IT TONIGHT. >> LET ME ASK THE QUESTION, IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT STAFF TO SPEND THEIR TIME ON THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS AS WE GET READY TO BEGIN TO WORK THROUGH THE COMP PLAN WORK? IN TERMS OF A PRIORITY? >> I THINK EVERYBODY GOES BACK TO KELLY. I'M CONCERNED IN A COUPLE MONTHS THIS BOARD MAY NOT BE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE ONLY BECAUSE OF ELECTIONS AND OTHER THINGS. I MEAN, THESE ARE THINGS WE CAN CERTAINLY GET STARTED NOW. GETTING SERIOUS ABOUT THIS IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY STARTING IN JANUARY OR EVEN LATE DECEMBER AFTER THE SMOKE HAS CLEARED, SO TO SPEAK. >> OKAY. I THINK YOU HAVE SOME MARCHING ORDERS. >> YES. I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THIS BOARD, THIS IS A TOPIC THAT WOULD NEED TO BE PRESENTED AT THE MEETING NEXT WEEK SO THERE IS DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION TO SPEND TIME AND ENERGY PURSUING THESE ISSUES. UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S WHERE TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED. >> OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. [01:30:03] THE BOUNDARY AREA ONES -- I THINK THE ONES ON 1ST AVENUE ARE MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE -- >> PROCEDURALLY THEY'RE ALL THE SAME. THEY'RE ALL GOING TO INVOLVE NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND PROVIDING BACKGROUND AND EDUCATION WHY THIS GOT TO BE THE WAY IT IS. THEN IT MOVES FORWARD WITH THE CITY INITIATING THE CLEAN APPLICATION. >> WHAT WE COULD SAY NEXT WEEK IS THAT THERE ARE FIVE OR SIX -- THERE'S A DOZEN ITEMS THAT ARE STILL HANGING FROM THAT ORIGINAL PROJECT AND THEY'RE GOING TO INVOLVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND WE NEED TO GET CLARITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK FORWARD ON THESE. >> YEP, EXACTLY. >> IF THEY WANT MORE INFORMATION WE CAN GO INTO DETAIL. >> THE PROPERTIES ON 1ST AVENUE THEY'RE ALL DEVELOPED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. >> TOWNHOMES. >> THOSE SEEM TO BE RELATIVELY EASY BECAUSE THE HOUSES ARE THERE. THEY'RE BEING LIVED IN. SOME OF THEM PROBABLY HAVE HOMESTEADS ON THEM. >> MOST OF THEM HAVE NO IDEA THERE'S A ZONING ISSUE. >> THE ONES THAT ARE COMPLICATED ARE THE PROPERTY ON THE CORNER, THE MOTEL ON THE BEACH. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT REALLY HAVE TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE OWNERSHIPS TO DETERMINE IN SOME DIRECTION WHAT THEIR FUTURE PLT. WE WILL INCLUDE THIS IN OUR CONVERSATION NEXT WEEK WITH THE BOARD. >> IN TERMS OF THAT PROCESS, JUST LIKE WE SAW WITH THE CONSERVATION ANALYSIS THAT WAS PERFORMED AND THE BOARD, ONCE IT'S PRESENTED TO YOU, MAY MAKE SOME DECISIONS LIKE, WE'RE GONNA HOLD OFF ON MOVING THIS FORWARD, BUT AT LEAST YOU'VE HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CONTEMPLATE IT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE RIGHT THERE AROUND FLETCHER. WE'RE BUILDING A NEW FIRE STATION. THAT FIRE STATION, MY UNDERSTANDING, IS NOT GOING TO HAVE A FUTURE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> NOT AS A FIRE STATION. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE FUTURE OF THAT WILL BE RESCUE. >> IT WILL BE REPURPOSED? >> YES. >> AS A WORKING -- >> IT WON'T BE A FIRE STATION. >> OKAY. CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY DESIRE TO TEAR IT DOWN AND TURN IT INTO A PARKING LOT. >> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. >> PARKING HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE IN THAT AREA. I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WAS DISCUSSED. >> I CAN TELL YOU THAT FIRE TRUCK AND RESCUE GROUP GOES TO THE END OF SADDLE ROAD DOWN TO THE BEACH ALL SUMMER LONG. I WON'T SAY EVERY DAY, BUT HAVING OCEAN RESCUE OR SOME TYPE OF FIRST AID RESCUE AT THAT FACILITY IS, I THINK, VITALLY IMPORTANT TO NOT ONLY THE REDENTS BUT ALSO OUR TOURISTS. >> GOOD USE FOR CITY PROPERTY. >> YEP. OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS OCTOBER BOARD DRAFT. GENERAL INFORMATION. SPREAD SHEET THAT KELLY SENDS THAT WILL TELL YOU WHAT ALL THE DIFFERENT BOARDS ARE DOING INCLUDING HERS. >> I LIKE THAT BY THE WAY. THANK YOU. >> I LIKE IT VERY MUCH, THANK YOU. >> I THINK TO STAY UP WITH THE MEETINGS. >> IT'S VERY HELPFUL AND UNDERSTANDING FOR US TO SEE. >> HAS THE HTC, ANYTHING ELSE COME UP WITH THE WHOLE ISSUE OF THE TELEVISIONS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? >> THE COMMISSION IS TAKING ACTION AT THIS POINT TO HAVE SOME CODE PROVISIONS IN THE BUILDING CODE SECTION OF OUR MUNICIPAL CODE THAT SPEAKS TO HAVING A PERMIT REQUIRED FOR OUTDOOR TV DISPLAY ON COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES CITY WIDE. WHERE WE ARE MISSING -- AND THERE ARE SUBSEQUENT CODE PROVISIONS THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD THAT WILL FIRST APPEAR ON THE NOVEMBER 4TH AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION THAT SPEAK TO DIRECTION IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR THE BOARD OR STAFF LEVEL REVIEW AND THE EXTERIOR MOUNTED TV'S. [01:35:05] THAT PIECE IS ALSO MOVING FORWARD. IN THE FUTURE, WE WILL NEED TO HAVE GREATER CLARIFICATION ON STANDARDS FOR WHY OR HOW YOU MIGHT DISAPPROVE WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND THE WAY RIGHT NOW THAT I'M VIEWING THIS IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. IT IS VERY CLEARLY INDICATED RIGHT NOW. THAT'S HOW I'M INSTRUCTING PEOPLE TO PERFORM. >> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S THE FINE TUNING THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IS INCLUDED IN OUR LDC'S, RIGHT? >> ABSOLUTELY. BUT RIGHT NOW WE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO REGULATE DOWNTOWN TV'S. >> GOOD. THANK YOU. >> THERE'S NO PROVISION FOR THOSE WHICH WERE ALREADY UP BEFORE THE PASSAGE OF THAT CODE. I THINK IT WAS SEPTEMBER. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE PEOPLE WHO HAD THEM UP PREVIOUSLY TAKING THEM DOWN. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> I HAVE A MEMBERSHIP QUESTION. >> OKAY. >> KELLY, IS THE SCHOOL BOARD NO LONGER REPRESENTED ON THE PAB? >> UNDER STATE LAW THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE A NONVOTING MEMBER AND THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A PLACE AT THE TABLE AT EVERY MEETING. THEY ARE INCLUDED IN EVERY E-MAIL DISTRIBUTION THAT YOU RECEIVE. THEY HISTORICALLY DO NOT PARTICIPATE UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING PERTINENT TO THE SCHOOL. THEY RECEIVE EVERY LAND CHANGE, DENSITY. >> WE USED TO POST ON THE WEBSITE A CONTACT FOR THEM. THEY'RE NO LONGER ON THAT LIST AS OF TODAY. >> I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE EVER SHOWN UP. >> THEY MAY NOT HAVE. THEY'RE JUST NOT ON THE NEW LIST. >> UNDER STATE LAW IT IS REQUIRED. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? >> CERTAINLY. >> IS THE CITY CONSIDERING PUBLIC EVENTS COMING UP OVER THE NEXT 6, 9, 12 MONTHS? >> MAYBE MISS BACH WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THERE'S BEEN -- OKAY. HONESTLY, TEN DAYS AGO THERE'S BEEN A SHIFT. TEN DAYS AGO THE CITY MANAGER IN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY COMMISSION, THEY'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS TUESDAY WHEN WE HAVE THE COVID DISCUSSION ITEM COMES UP. WAS WE'VE HAD A FEW SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT REQUESTS, WHICH ARE REQUIRED 60 DAYS BEFORE THE EVENT, OR AT LEAST 60 DAYS BEFORE. FOR EXAMPLE, THE VETERAN'S DAY PARADE WAS APPROVED. SO THEY HAVE A PERMIT. THEN SOME OTHERS CAME IN. THEN SOME POLITICAL TYPE OF GATHERINGS WERE REQUESTED WITH LESS THAN 60 DAYS NOTICE. SO I WAS SITTING IN MEETINGS WITH TWO DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS, WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE MANAGER SAID IT'S PROBABLY JUST BEST FOR US NOT TO ALLOW ANY EVENTS AND ENCOURAGE PUBLIC GATHERINGS UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST WHEN WE MIGHT THINK ABOUT HAVING THE SHRIMP DROP. THAT'S ALL CHANGED NOW AS OF, I JUST HEARD ABOUT THIS TODAY, IS THAT ALL THE EVENTS THAT WE NORMALLY HAVE FOR THE HOLIDAYS, I CAN'T SPEAK TO INDIVIDUALS EXCEPT FOR THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT ISSUED FOR THE VETERAN'S DAY PARADE ARE GOING TO GO ON AND ARE GOING TO BE PERMITTED IN THE CITY. AND THE MANAGER EXPRESSED THIS TO ALL THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS AT HIS BIWEEKLY STAFF MEETING THIS MORNING, TOO. SO IT'S BUSINESS AS USUAL. >> ALL RIGHT. MAY 1ST SESSION. >> FOR SURE. >> IS THE DICKENS EVENT GONNA HAPPEN? >> I AM NOT SURE. I WOULD REACH OUT TO GIL LAYMAN. >> MAYBE A MODIFIED EVENT. >> I KNOW HOW LONG THEY NEED. I'M GUESSING THEY CAN'T GO BACK TO A FULL SIZE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PLANNING TIME. BUT THEY DID PLAN FOR A MODIFIED EVENT. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE ALLOWED, TOO. BUT THAT COULD CHANGE IN TWO WEEKS IF THIS VIRUS GETS OUT OF HAND. >> REALLY, ALL OF THIS COULD CHANGE. >> SURE, DEPENDING ON THE PANDEMIC, YEAH. BUT FOR NOW. JUST WHILE YOU'RE HERE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GOVERNORS EXECUTIVE ORDERS, VIRTUAL MEETINGS, WHICH BY THE WAY, LIKE I TOLD THE HDC ON MONDAY, YOU [01:40:01] NEED TO PLAN MISS GINGHER AND MISS SCHAFFER, I THINK YOU NEED TO PLAN TO BE HERE IN PERSON IN NOVEMBER. I DON'T THINK THE GOVERNOR WILL ALLOW FOR VIRTUAL MEETINGS BEYOND THIS MONTH. >> WE CAN MAKE AN EXEMPTION FOR A MEDICAL REASON. >> YES. IF WE HAVE AN EXEMPTION FOR MEDICAL REASONS WE STILL NEED A QUORUM. I NEED YOU TO DO THAT TO ME CONFIDENTIALLY. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> HI THERE, MARK. >> ONLY REASON I ATTENDED BY ZOOM TODAY IS BECAUSE I HAD SOMETHING UNTIL QUARTER TO 5 P.M. I WOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT DOWN THERE IN TIME. >> GREAT. AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW, I'LL JUST CALL YOU BARB AND JENNY. IN THIS ROOM, WHICH YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN SEE OVER HERE WHERE I AM IS THAT THE CHAIRS ARE SPACED OUT FAR APART. THERE'S REALLY ONLY ABOUT 10 OR 11 SEATS HERE IN TERMS OF UP THERE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS THIS IS THE MOST WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIT UP HERE. WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER TABLE THAT WILL BE DOWN HERE FOR BOARD MEMBERS, RESERVED FOR BOARD MEMBERS, SO YOU WILL BE ASSURED TO BE IN THE FRONT NEXT TO YOUR FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. THAT'S GOING TO REMOVE SOME OTHER CHAIRS FOR GUESTS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MISS ROBAS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE US A QUICK UPDATE ON YOUR BEACH MANAGEMENT SUBCOMMITTEE? >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE REACHED OUT TO SEVERAL MEMBERS OF STAFF, INCLUDING, I HAD A GREAT MEETING WITH MR. MARTIN TO HELP ME START TO FORMULATE SPECIFICALLY WHAT OUR GOAL IS TO THE EXTENT THAT IT IS STRICTLY ON THE BEACH ACCESS NOT DEALING WITH BEACH DRIVING, NOT DEALING WITH BEACH PARKING, NOT DEALING WITH THE DUES PLAN. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE STARTED DOWN THIS ROAD WE WERE GOING TO HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION FROM MR. MARTIN. OUR PRODUCT, OUR WORK PRODUCT, WILL GO THROUGH HIM THEN TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THEIR REVIEW AND APPROVAL FOR WHATEVER IT IS THEY WANT TO APPROVE OF OUR PLAN. BUT IT WILL BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE BEACH ACCESSES AN I HAVE REACHED OUT TO KELLY. I HAVE REACHED OUT TO TAMMI. I HAVE HAD MEETINGS WITH TWO OF THE CITY COMMISSIONERS GATHERING REALLY MORE BACKGROUND, YOU KNOW? WHERE HAVE WE BEEN? WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW? AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THE BEACH COMMITTEE, BEACH ACCESS COMMITTEE. TOMORROW I AM SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE COPIES OF THE APPLICANTS TO OUR BOARD BECAUSE IT WILL BE A PUBLIC BOARD, SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE PAB. I WILL GET THOSE. MR. MARTIN WILL ALSO RECEIVE THOSE. HE AND I ARE GOING TO MEET ON MONDAY AND WE WILL START GOING THROUGH THE APPLICANTS. WE'LL TRY TO SEE WHERE WE NEED TO BE WITH -- WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A FIXED NUMBER SO IT MAY BE FIVE IT MAY BE SEVEN. WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE. WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE. FROM THEN, WE WILL START TO LOOK AT A TIMEFRAME. WE'LL START TO LOOK AT THE GOAL, REALLY, OF WANTING TO GET THIS PUT TOGETHER PROBABLY IN FIVE MONTHS OR SO, SIX MONTHS, HOPEFULLY. AND THEN WHAT RESOURCES WE NEED. ONE THING I HAVE TALKED TO KELLY ABOUT, HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS SO THAT IT'S LARGER AND EASIER TO SEE AND WHAT KIND OF GIF FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY TO HELP US FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT TO MAKE THIS EVEN MORE EFFICIENT SO THAT WHEN WE START TO LOOK AT THESE [01:45:02] ACCESSES, WE CAN DECIDE A PLAN. AND THE PLAN WOULD ENCOMPASS WHAT IF WE DO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR WALKOVERS OR ACCESSES AS WALKOVERS? AND WHAT THAT COST IS. WHAT IF WE FOCUS JUST ON THE ONES THAT NEED TO BE ADA AND WE REALLY PUT A LOT OF FOCUS AND MONEY TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE ADA COMPATIBLE. AND THEN WE STARTED TO LOOK AT THE REST OF THEM THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, JUST A WALK THROUGH OR A TRAIL OR ONES THAT ARE EXISTING AS WALKOVERS, WHAT THEIR CONDITIONS ARE, RANKING THEM TO SAY, THESE NEED TO UPDATE THE 2019 STUDY THAT WAS DONE BY THE >> YES, MARCH OF 2019. >> WE NEED TO REVIEW THOSE. WE NEED TO REVIEW WHERE THERE WERE FIVE ACCESSES THAT WERE TAKEN AT WALKOVERS THAT WERE TAKEN OUT. WE NEED TO REVIEW THOSE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOW TO INTEGRATE THEM INTO THE PLAN. THEN OVERALL WOULD BE A VARIETY COST AND RANKING AND THEN HOW LONG IT COULD TAKE TO GET EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT PLANS DONE. OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO EVERY SINGLE ACCESS AS A WALKOVER OR AN ADA COMPLIANT, YOU'RE TALKING A LOT OF MONEY AND A LOT OF TIME TO GET THAT THROUGH THE BUDGET. THAT'S REALLY SORT OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON. >> THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ASK YOU TO GO BACK TO MR. MARTIN ABOUT IS THERE NEEDS TO BE A MAINTENANCE COMPONENT IN YOUR PLAN SO THAT WE DON'T GET BACK TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. >> I UNDERSTAND. WE ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS ARE FROM A STAFF AND BUDGET PERSPECTIVE AS WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE BEACH ACCESSES ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE. >> I THINK THAT GOES BACK INTO THE CONVERSATION WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A WALKOVER ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM THAT WILL ENTAIL A LOT OF MAINTENANCE. I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. >> YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES TO WALKOVERS? >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. >> I WAS LOOKING AT A SMALL BEACH ISLAND YESTERDAY. I USED TO GO UP THERE AND LIFE GUARD. I NOTICE UP THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WALKOVERS. EVERYTHING IS LIKE HAND BUT THEN THEY DO A ZIGZAG AT THE BEACH. IT'S MORE LIKE YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH THE DUNES BUT THERE'S NEVER A STRAIGHT PATH THROUGH THE DUNES. >> CURVES NATURALLY TO THE -- >> IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE PUTTING -- THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME SO THERE'S SOMETHING THERE. THEY'RE ALMOST LIKE PUTTING MATS DOWN. >> I THINK IT'S LOVI MATS. >> MAYBE SUGGEST LOOKING AT SOME OTHER BEACH COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE CONQUERED THIS AND SEE WHAT ALTERNATIVES THERE ARE. >> IF YOU WON'T MIND WE'LL ASK YOU FOR FOLLOW-UP. >> VERY HAPPY TO DO THAT. >> WE SHOULD HAVE AN UPDATE ANYWAY BEFORE IT GOES ANYWHERE. IT'S OUR COMMITTEE. >> SURE, YEAH. >> I DIDN'T KNOW HOW FAR YOU WERE GOING TO GO. ARE YOU GOING TO GET INTO THE MATERIALS ENGINEERING SIDE, LOOKING AT WOOD VERSUS CONCRETE, VERSUS PLASTIC? >> I THINK WHAT WE'RE -- AGAIN, TO HELP US BE CONSISTENT IN THE GATHERING THE BUDGET NUMBERS SO THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THIS THING YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR TYPE STUDY, LOOK AT PERHAPS A PRO FORMA TYPE WALKOVER THAT SAYS GENERALLY WE NEED 100 FOOT WALKOVER WITH WOOD PILINGS, WOOD DECKING, HAND RAILS. THAT WOULD BE A PRO FORMA THAT I WOULD SAY EQUALS X DOLLARS. AND IF WE APPLY THAT, WHETHER TO AL OF THEM, SOME OF THEM, FEW OF THEM, THEN WE COULD FAIRLY EASILY COME UP WITH SOME COMPATIBLE NUMBERS. >> >> EVEN WITH THAT APPROACH YOU COULD SAY, THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE OUT OF THIS MATERIAL. [01:50:02] THAT WAY YOU COULD ACTUALLY COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES. >> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BE CONSISTENT. >> GET A BENCH MARK. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY? VICE CHAIR KRUGER. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. OUR COMP PLAN ALLOW FOR BENEFITS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE PROBLEM WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS WE CAN'T EVEN FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS. AND UNTIL WE SET THE STANDARD THAT IF WE USED HUD STANDARDS WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, 30, 50, 80 PERCENT STANDARDS, THAT'S START. WE START WITH ALL THESE BUZZ WORDS. WE WOULD GIVE THEM TEN UNITS, TEN EXTRA UNITS I THINK IT WAS, KELLY. WE WERE GONNA GIVE THEM TEN UNIT, OF WHICH FIVE WOULD BE AT 80% OR 50% AND FIVE WOULD BE AT 80% WHICH â– ISCLOSER TO ARKET. I MADE THAT MOTION AND WE DIDN'T EVEN GET A SECOND. SO THERE'S DIFFERENT CRITERIA. IT'S NOT THAT IT WASN'T IN THE COMP PLAN THAT WE COULDN'T DO IT. I ONLY BRING THAT UP BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE. IT IS A CRISIS. WE GOT THIS LOT OVER HERE WHICH IS A GOOD SIZE LOT THE COUNTY OWNS. THEY OWN THE HOSPITAL ON 14TH STREET WHICH WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT SITE. BUT REMEMBER, IT'S NOT IN MY BACK YARD. >> ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ONE FINAL COMMENT. WE SHOULD ALL CONGRATULATE MR. PLATT. HE GOT MARRIED LAST WEEK. WELCOME TO THE CLUB. AND IF THAT'S IT, WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING ADJOURNED. AGAIN, THANK * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.