[Items 1 - 3] [00:00:03] IT'S 5:00. WE WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. ELIAS, IF YOU COULD DO ROLL CALL PLEASE. ISN'T A CHAIR RIGHT NOW. I WILL RUN THE MEETING IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY. >> SURE. >> AND JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN UPDATE. NAN HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY. THAT'S WHY I AM HERE. IF ANYONE WAS WONDERING THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. ITEM NUMBER 4 APPROVAL OF MINUTES. >> WE NEED TO DO PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> MY APOLOGY. I'M SORRY. IF EVERYONE CAN STAND WE'LL DO PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. [4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] MINUTES. >> I MOVE TO AAPPROVE THE MINUTES. QUESTION. THE MINUTES DON'T REFLECT ANY OF THE DECISION REGARDING THE HEROES TREE GROW FROM LAST WEEK. IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S ROLLING OVER TO THIS WEEK? >> I GUESS SO. >> THE VOTE IS RECORDED. >> RIGHT. BUT THERE WAS NONE OF THE DISCUSSION IN THE MEETING APPEARS IN THE MINUTES. I'M WONDERING BECAUSE IT WAS 2-2 VOTE. DOES THAT JUST MEAN THAT, THAT MEANS IT FAILED ESSENTIALLY LAST WEEK AND GOT ROLLED OVER TO THIS WEEK. SO WHATEVER DISCUSSION IS GOING TO HAVE TO OCCUR THIS WEEK IF YOU WANT IT TO BE CAPTURED. [INAUDIBLE] I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT UP [INAUDIBLE] THEY KNOW -- BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL VIDEOED THE DISCUSSION IS NO LONGER CATALOGED. IT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENED THE. >> IF THERE'S A VOTE WHEN IT WOULD -- >> IT'S RECORDED IN THE MINUTES. . >> ALL THE DISCUSSION IS JUST BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY RECORDED NOT -- NO LONGER DONE THAT WAY. >> GOT IT. >> OKAY. SO THERE'S A MOTION. >> SECOND. JEAN PUGH. >> ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. >> OKAY. SO ELISA TELL ME IF I NEED TO SLOWDOWN, TOO. [5. ELECTION OF CHAIR PERSON] ITEM NUMBER FIVE ELECTION OF CHAIRPERSON. I BELIEVE THIS WAS ON THEIR LAST MONTH. AND YOU WANTED TO ROLL IT OVER TO THIS MONTH. WHEN HOPEFULLY MORE PEOPLE WERE HERE. >> I TRIED TO NOMINATE MEMBER KEGLER LAST TIME. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE REALLY ENOUGH PEOPLE. I'M GOING TO PUT HIM OUT AS NOMINATION FOR CHAIRPERSON. >> SECOND THE NOMINATION. >> WHAT'S THAT MR. KEGLER? >> IS YOUR VOICE ON? >> YEAH. I'M TRYING. >> THERE YOU GO. [00:05:02] WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. >> I RESPECTFULLY DECLINE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE JEAN PUGH. >> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> I RESPECTFULLY DECLINE ALSO. >> I WILL NOMINATE ERIC BARTELT. >> SECOND THE NOMINATION. >> I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS. I'VE ALREADY DONE IT. >> I NOMINATE FAITH ROTH AS CHAIRPERSON. >> SECOND THE NOMINATION. IS THE NOMINATION AND A SECOND FOR MISS ROSS. >> I WILL DO THIS UNDER THE CONDITION THAT IN THE BY LAWS IT SAYS THAT WE ARE TO PUT TOGETHER SOME SORT OF TRAINING OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF ACCLIMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS. IF I GET ONE OF YOU FIRST SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBER TWO WORK ON IT WITH ME, I WILL DO IT. OTHERWISE I'M NOT DOING IT. >> WHO WILL DO THE SUBCOMMITTEE? >> I WILL. >> ALL RIGHT. >> I WILL ASSIST YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. JEAN. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, JEAN? >> NO I JUST SAID I WILL ASSIST. >> OKAY. >> NOW WE HAVE A VICE CHAIR. >> WE NEED TO VOTE. >> THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR MISS FAITH ROSS TO BE THE CHAIRPERSON. >> DO YOU WANT ME TO CALL THE ROLL? >> ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> NO. >> YOU'RE OUT OF THE LOOP. [LAUGHTER] >> MAKE SURE WE -- SHE SAID NO. [LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT AND THEN -- >> VICE CHAIR. >> CAN WE ACTUALLY DO -- SHOULD WE DO IT NOW. WE WILL DO A VICE CHAIR. IS THERE A MOTION FOR A CHOICE CHAIR? >> I WOULD LIKE NOMINATE JEAN PUGH TO BE A NICE CHAIR. >> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE THE JOY ARE WE VOTING FOR A PRESIDENT BECAUSE CHAIRPERSON BECAUSE WE LOST OUR CHILDREN PERSON. I DON'T THINK THAT NEGATES THE POSITION OF CHOICE CHAIR UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. IS THAT CORRECT? >> SURE. >> HER TENURE DOESN'T END UNTIL DECEMBER. >> CORRECT. >> JOY WOULD EFFECTIVELY BE IN THE ROLE AS VICE CHAIR. >> THAT'S FINE. >> OKAY. >> I ONLY MADE THE NOMINATION FOR JEAN BECAUSE JOY IS NOT HERE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HER BEING THE VICE CHAIR. BUT YOU'RE HERE AND SHE'S NOT. >> I UNDERSTAND. UNLESS SHE CHOSE NOT TO CONTINUE IN THAT ROLE MY UNDERSTANDING YOU'RE ELECTED FOR THE YEAR. IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> MAYBE -- OKAY. I UNDERSTAND BUT UNLESS SHE HAS CHOSEN TO VACATE THAT OR GIVE UP THAT POSITION, I DON'T KNOW WE SHOULD APPOINT SOMEBODY NEW. I'M HAPPY TO DO IT. BUT I HAVEN'T -- DON'T KNOW. SCOTT, HAS SHE INDICATED TO ANYTHING TO YOU OR NAN. >> YES, SHE INDICATED SHE IS GOING TO RESIGN. >> OKAY. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. DID I MISS AN E-MAIL. >> I DON'T THINK YOU MISSED ANYTHING. I THINK THAT RECENTLY JUST HAPPENED. >> OKAY. THEN I WILL ACCEPT VICE CHAIR. >> I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. I THOUGHT JOY JUST WASN'T AT THE MEETING. YEAH. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND FOR JEAN PUGH TO BE THE VICE CHAIR. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> ALL RIGHT. SO ITEM NUMBER 6. [6. CONSIDERATION OF APPLICATION] CONSIDERATION OF APPLICATIONS. YOU GUYS HAVE THREE APPLICATIONS THAT WE'RE CONNECTED WITH THE PACKET. I BELIEVE THAT AFTER COME JANUARY WE WILL HAVE TO FILL TWO [00:10:07] SPOTS JOY'S AND THE ADDITIONAL ONE THAT IS VACANT. MISS ROSS WILL BE BEING REAPOINTED. >> DEPENDING ON HOW THIS CHAIR GOES. >> THAT'S RIGHT. NAN SENT ME AN E-MAIL. I THINK ALL SEEM QUITE QUALIFIED. SHE SAID TRINITY RICHARDS HAD WITHDRAWN HER APPLICATION. IT'S CONCERNING. THAT'S WHAT NAN TOLD ME. I THINK THE TWO GENTLEMEN WHO PUT IN THEIR RESUME LOOK QUITE GOOD. WE SHOULD MOVE THEM UP TO COMMISSION LEVEL FOR APPROVAL. >> I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS. THE APPOINTMENT HAVE TRADITIONALLY BEEN WHEN THERE'S YOU COME IN PARTIAL TERM AND THE TERMS WERE RUNNING BASED ON WHEN YOU GOT ELECTED. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HAS CHANGED BECAUSE OF THE DIFFICULT OF THE CITY CLERK HAVING TO NOTIFY JEAN PUGH. IT WOULD RUN ON A CALENDAR YEAR BASIS. >> IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> THAT IS CORRECT. AND ALL TERMS ARE GOING TO BE THREE YEARS. SO DEPENDING ON WHEN IT FALLS AND TAMMI IS HERE. SHE CAN HELP ME ANSWER THIS QUESTION. IT CAN BE PRO-RATED IF IT'S LIKE A TWO-MONTH PERIOD, YOU COULD FILL OUT -- YOU COULD FINISH THE TWO MONTHS AND THEN YOU'RE NEXT -- YOUR APPOINTMENT WOULD LAST FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS. THEY ALL END ON DECEMBER 31ST. >> SO WE'RE NO LONGER HAVING STAGGERED TERMS. BECAUSE THE RESOLUTION WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED. >> WE WILL BRING THAT UP. THE RESOLUTION THAT WE PASSED WAS THAT WE HAVE THREE-YEAR TERMS ONE-YEAR TERMS, WHATEVER. DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THE BI-LAWS? . >> I WILL RESEARCH IT AND GET BACK TO YOU. >> WE SERVE ONE-YEAR TERM THAT BEGINS THIS YEAR. >> I'M A TWO-YEAR TERM. I UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD GO. IF YOU LEE THE BOARD OR THE COMMITTEE MIDTERM SOMEONE IS ELECTED TO FILL THAT PERSON AND THEY CONTINUE IN THEIR TERM WHETHER A TWO-YEAR OR ONE YEAR. I GET THAT. IT WAS CRAZY TO MANAGE ALL THIS. BUT I DON'T -- MY PURPOSE IN DOING THIS I WOULD LIKE TO GET PEOPLE ON AS SOON AS WE CAN TO FILL THE VACANCY SO WE HAVE 7 PEOPLE TO DO THIS. I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO WAIT UNTIL JANUARY. I'M HAPPY THAT TAMMI SAID THAT'S OKAY. TO HAVE PEOPLE COME ON AND THEN THEIR OFFICIAL TERM BEGINS IN JANUARY. >> TAMMI WILL HELP US ANSWER A FEW OF THE QUESTIONS, I THINK. >> I WILL TRY. >> BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME CONFUSION WITH THE CITY COMMISSION ADOPTED ORDINANCE SAYING THAT THE TERMS END DECEMBER 31ST AND ALL TERMS ARE THREE-YEAR TERMS. CAROLINE AND I HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW THAT EFFECTS EACH BOARD. FOR SURE IT DON'T THINK MATTERS -- YOU HAVE TWO SEATS OPEN. YOU HAVE TWO MEMBERS TO RECOMMEND OR NOT RECOMMEND IN OTHER WORDS JUST SEND THEM UP WITHOUT A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION. YOU CAN DO EITHER ONE OF THOSE. AND I DO HAVE AN UPDATE. I GUESS NAN THE WATCHING THE MEETING. SHE HAS TO LEAVE TOWN FOR FAMILY. JOY BEHAM HAS NOT RESIGNED. >> OKAY. SHE STILL IS VICE CHAIR. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. >> GO AHEAD. >> AND I MIGHT -- >> CAN WE APPOINT SOMEONE WHO WOULD START THE NEXT MEETING? OR DO THEY HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL JANUARY TO COME ON THIS COMMITTEE? >> ANY NEW MEMBERS WOULD FILL THE SEATS IMMEDIATELY THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVAL. >> OKAY. >> IF JOY DECIDES NOT TO BE ON THE BOARD AFTER HER TIME IS UP, THEN WE WOULD VOTE A VICE CHAIR. >> CORRECT. >> RIGHT. >> THAT'S WHAT I MEANT TO SAY. RESIGN WAS NOT THE CORRECT WORD. >> [00:15:03] >> THAT MAY BE TRUE. WE HAVE ONE OPEN POSITION AT THE MOMENT. >> RIGHT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WE NEED TO NOMINATE ONE PERSON WHO WE CAN GET STARTED RIGHT AWAY. >> YOU MAY DO THAT. YOU MAY NOMINATE. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU YOUR OPTION YOUR OPTION YOU MAY PICK ONE PERSON AND VOTE OUT OF TWO OR YOU CAN SAME SOME OF THE BOARD JUST SAY BOTH NAMES ARE GOING AND RESUMES ARE GOING TO THE COMMISSION REGARDLESS. YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. OR YOU DON'T HAVE TO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. >> RIGHT. >> I WOULD LIKE NOMINATE MR. ROBERTS AS -- FOR THE OPEN SEAT AND MR. NORRIS FOR THE NEXT OPEN SEAT. >> I SECOND THAT MOTION. >> COULD WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION? >> I AGREE. >> OF COURSE. >> MR. NORRIS IS AFFILIATED WITH THE HATONK CLUB. AND I THINK THEY ARE FEELING A LITTLE BIT LEFT OUT OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION DISCUSSIONS EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO PLAY. SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT SINCE WE ARE DISCUSSING THE WATERFRONT PARK AT THE MOMENT WHETHER THEY BE INVOLVED INITIALLY OR WHETHER THAT COULD YOU KNOW WAIT UNTIL LATER. MR. BARTELT, WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> I THINK IT CAN WAIT UNTIL LATER. >> THIS IS A LONG PROCESS. >> MR. NORRIS MAY BE A MEMBER AND RESIGN BEFORE THE PARK GOES UP. >> I AGREE WITH YOUR NOMINATION. HE'S LIVED IN THE CITY FOR TWO YEARS. IT'S A PART OF THE CITY THAT NONE OF THE REST OF THE CITY ARE NEARBY. HE'S GOT CHILDREN THAT PARTICIPATE. IT JUST BRINGS ANOTHER DYNAMIC TO THE BOARD AT THIS POINT IN TIME. >> JEAN HE LIVES DOWN THE STREET FROM ME. >> OKAY. I'M VERNON. HE'S ON DATE. HE'S TWO OR THREE BLOCKS FROM ME. >> I JUST THOUGHT HE BROUGHT A DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC. >> AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT WHOLE HEARTEDLY. HE JUST I BELIEVE HE'S IN THE MILITARY CURRENTLY. >> YES. >> AND THAT'S DEMOGRAPHIC THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY GET ON THESE ADVISORY COMMITTEES. IN MY OPINION IT WOULD OFFER A FRESHER PERSPECTIVE OF SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE MOBILE IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY'VE LIVED IN. >> I AGREE. >> AND YOU GUYS CAN CARPOOL. [LAUGHTER] WE CAN RIDE OUR BIKES TOGETHER. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO JUST FILL ONE VACANCY NOW. BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN -- WHO ELSE IS GOING TO APPLY BETWEEN THE TIME -- THERE COULD NOT BE ANOTHER VACANCY. WE DON'T KNOW THE SITUATION. THERE COULD BE ONE SOON. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST -- IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION. THE COMMISSION CAN DO WHAT THEY WNT THE DO. >>> I AGREE WITH THAT. >> SO THERE'S A MOTION FOR MR. ROBERTS. >> YES. >> FOR CONSIDERATION? >> YES. >> AND IS THERE A SECOND? >> THAT ONE IS SECONDED. >> THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO VOTE DOWN THE FIRST ONE AND THEN VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION. THE CURRENT MOTION AMENDED BY MEMBER PUGH TO NOMINATE MR. SAMUEL ROBERTS TO FILL THE CURRENT OPEN SPACE FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE. [INAUDIBLE] EVERYONE IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> PERFECT. >> SCOTT, WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING OR MAYBE TAMMI, BECAUSE WE VOTED ON RIDESHARE. [00:20:02] DO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE OR PRETEND THAT NEVER HAPPENED? >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT. >> WE'RE GOING TO PRETEND IT NEVER HAPPENED. >> IT'S NULL AND VOID. >> WE WILL REDO THAT VOTE ONCE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT MISS JOY IS DOING MOVING FORWARD. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [7. PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA] >> ITEM NUMBER 7. PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? YES, SIR. >> THIS THE ROBERT PREGER. I HAVE A COMMENT. MIKE LINDEVICH1686 CANOPY DRIVER. I'M NOT SURE WHETHER YOU ARE AWARE THAT WE'VE RECEIVED A COMMISSION RECEIVED A COUPLE OF E-MAILS ABOUT NAMING SIMMONS ROAD PARK. AND MY FOCUS ISN'T ON THOSE E-MAILS. MY FOCUS REALLY IS THE CITY LACKS ANY PROCEDURE OR CRITERIA FOR NAMING BUILDINGS, PARKS OR STREETS. SO WE HAVE A BIG PROCEDURE WE'LL VOID HERE IN THE CITY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS BODY, PARKS AND REC TACKLE THAT PROCEDURE AND CRITERIA, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO NAMING PARKS. HAVE A PROCEDURE WHERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF NAMING A PARK WOULD FIRST COME TO THIS BODY YOU WOULD RUN IT THROUGH THE PROCEDURE THAT YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE AND ALSO FILTER THE CRITERIA THAT YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE. AND THE PROBLEM THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS IS THAT AS A CITY COMMISSION MEETING ANYONE CAN COME UP TO THE LECTERN AND SAY MY DEARLY DEPARTED AND I THINK WE SHOULD NAME THE COURTHOUSE AFTER THEM. OR THE POST OFFICE OR WHATEVER BUILDING WE HAVE. AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT SITTING THERE TO TACTICALLY SAY MAYBE NOT, MAYBE YET. WE WILL CONSIDER IT. RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THAT POSITION OF GETTING THE E-MAILS ON SIMMONS ROAD AND HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT. THERE'S A BETTER WAY OF DOING. THIS BODY SHOULD BE PUT IN CHARGE AND GIVE PLEASE IT FIRST. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >> I THOUGHT THERE WAS A CRITERIA. I NOW THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT SOME POINT. >> MAY HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED. THERE'S NO CRITERIA. I PUT THIS ISSUE ON OUR BUSINESS AT THE END. >> OKAY. WELL, GREAT. >> THANK YOU. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ADD TO THE NEXT AGENDA OR NEAR FUTURE. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? >> YES, MA'AM. >> HOW DID THE DECISION COME ABOUT TO RENAME THE ATLANTIC REC CENTER? >> GOOD QUESTION. >> IT'S AUTORED YUM. >> I SAW AN ARTICLE LOOKS LIKE IT WAS WRONG. I MEAN I'M NOT SAYING I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. I'M WONDERING -- WHAT PROCESS WENT THROUGH FOR THAT. >> I BELIEVE -- DID THE FAMILY APPROACH US? >> I'M SORRY? >> THE MAYOR JOHNNIE MILLER BROUGHT THAT UP FOR OUR CONSIDERATION. AND THE COMMISSIONERS ALL THOUGHT IT WAS VALID IDEA. AND SHE DESERVED THAT HONOR. THAT'S MY POINT IS THAT THERE'S NOT A PROCEDURE. THERE'S NOT EVEN REQUIREMENT THAT YOU BE RESIDENT OF FERNANDINA BEACH. SO ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> MR. PREGER. >> YES, THANK YOU. >> I'M ADDRESS THING SAME ISSUE. ROBERT PREGER. 2810 NORTH LAGUNA DRIVE, FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. I'M AN E-MAIL DISCUSSED EARLIER. [00:25:01] OUR THOUGHT IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE THE PARK NAMED AFTER PHIL AND COMMISSIONER LINDOVICH I SUPPORT YOUR IDEA BECAUSE I'M A POLICY AND PROCEDURES GUY. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TO ESTABLISH ONE. BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE MY STATEMENT. PHIL SCANLON DEVOTED LIFE TO SOLVING PROBLEM AND WORKING FOR BETTER HEALTHIER WORLD FOR ALL OF US. HE WAS THE REAR BEING A PERSON OF PASSIONATE CONNECTIONS AND RESPECTED DIFFICULTERING VIEW AND SOUGHT COMMON GROUND. HE OPPOSED THE PARK HE CHAMPIONED THE PERSISTENT NEGOTIATION THAT YIELDED ITS CURRENT DESIGN. THE CHANGES TO THE PARK DESIGN REPRESENT PRECISELY THE XHOM COMMON GROUND HE WORKED SO HARD FOR. THROUGH TEAM WORK AND CREATIVE PROBLEM SOLVING, TREES HAVE BEEN SAVED AND THANK YOU ARTHER HERMAN. SITE DRAINAGE AND PLAYGROUND IS RECONFIGURED SAVING 8,000 SQUARE FEET IN NATURAL SPACE. THE MAIN INDUSTRIAL REDESIGNED TO BE PERVIOUS AND ADA COMPLIANT. THE EXPERT TEAGUES AMELIA TREE CONSERVANCY PROTECTS THE TREE AND FOSTERS WILDLIFE HABITAT. BECAUSE OF THE SHARED COMMUNITY TO RESPECT EACH OTHER -- BECAUSE OF SHARED COMMITMENT TO RESPECT EACH OTHER AND WORK TOGETHER THE PARK IS NOW BETTER IN EVERY RESPECT. IT'S THESE REASONS THAT EXEMPLIFY HIS LIVE WORK AND COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THIS PARK. IT'S THAT THIS PARK IS FITTING SITE FOR PHIL'S NAME. HE OFTEN EXPLAINED WORK WAS NOT ABOUT CONNECTING PLACES WITH TRAILS. BUT BY CONNECTING PEOPLE AND WE SHOULD HONOR THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. I HAVE ONE QUESTION REGARDING THE SIMMONS ROAD PROJECT. >> OKAY. >> HAS THERE BEEN DISCUSSION OR DO YOU KNOW AT THIS POINT WHETHER THE PARK WILL BE CLOSED AT NIGHT? >> I WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM WITH NAN. BUT YES I AM UNDER THE ASSUMPTION, IT WOULD BE CLOSED AT NIGHT. >> OKAY. SOME BARRIER OR CHAIN ACROSS OR SOMETHING. >> JUST LIKE THE OTHER PARKS. CENTRAL PARK IS TECHNICALLY -- I MEAN MAYBE THEY CLOSE T DARK. GRANTED, I GUESS WITH THE TENNIS COURTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT THERE'S LIGHTS ON. THE PLAYGROUNDS ARE TECHNICALLY CLOSED AT DARK TIME. >> NO THERE WOULDN'T BE A BARRIER. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ALSO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORDS. WE DID RECEIVE AN E-MAIL FROM NAN SAYING THE COMMISSION WAS LOOKING AT AND COMMISSIONER LINDOVICH, MAYBE YOU COMMENT ON NAMING A PIECE OF THE BIKE TRAIL. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT STANDS. I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT SUGGESTION CAME FROM. CAN YOU SHED LIGHT ON THAT? >> YES. IT'S THE COUNTY. NASHUA COUNTY HAS DECIDED TO NAME PART OF BLACK TRAIL THAT IS BETWEEN THE AMERICAN BEACH AND A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NORTH RUNNING PAST WHERE PHIL SCANLAN WITH A MARKER. AND NAN ALSO SUGGESTED THAT PERHAPS A PART OF THE BIKE TRAIL THAT BY IN THE CITY ITSELF COULD BE NAMED AFTER HIM. SHE'S OPEN TO THAT IDEA. THE IDEA OF CONNECTING HIM TO BIKE TRAIL IS PRESENT AND ALSO OF COURSE THE HEROES GROVE THAT ARTHER HERMAN IS DESIGNING COULD NAME PHIL SCANLAN. I THINK WE CAN'T GIVE ENOUGH PRAISE. I'M OPEN TO THE PARK OR MEMORY OF HIM AT THE PARK AS WELL. WHICH IS ELOQUENT EXPLANATION BY ROBERT PREGER OF HIS CONTRIBUTION. BUT A LOT IS HAPPENING IN HIS HONOR. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> NONE. >> ALL RIGHT. FACILITY UPDATE REPORT, NAN [8. FACILITY UPDATE REPORT] TEXTED ME BEFORE SHE LEFT BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY -- >> SHE'S HERE. >> NAN IS HERE. >> CAN YOU HEAR US NAN? >> YOU MIGHT HAVE TO UNMUTE [00:30:04] YOURSELF. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES. >> HI, NAN. >> HEY, GUYS. FACILITY UPDATE REPORT ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT I WAS GOING TO MENTION WAS THE REQUEST THAT I DIDN'T PUT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY NAMING SIMMONS PARK, THOUGH WE ALL KNOW PHIL FOR 20 YEARS. HE WAS OPPOSED TO THE PARK. HE DID NOT SUPPORT ANY OF THE PARKS AND REC FACILITIES. HE WAS STRICTLY A BIKE PATH GUNG-HO AMAZING MAN THAT KID SO MUCH FOR NASHUA COUNTY. AND WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO NASHUA COUNTY AND THEY HAVE A PLAN TO NAME A PORTION OF THE TRAIL THAT ACTUALLY RUNS NEAR HIS HOME BECAUSE HE'S NOT A CITY RESIDENT. HE LIVES ON THE SOUTH END. THAT IS IN THE WORKS WITH TACO POPE FROM THE COUNTY. I COULDN'T HEAR. I'M SURE ALEX KIND OF MENTIONED THAT. >> THE OTHER THING UPDATE ON SIMMONS PARK THE WORK PROGRESS IS GOING WELL. THE PAVILION IS ABOUT 75 TO 80% COMPLETE NOW. THE TRAIL HAS BEEN CLEARED. AS YOU ALL KNOW THAT'S BEEN A WHILE. EVERYTHING IS ON SCHEDULE. THE WATER IS CONNECTED AND THE SEWER IS CONNECTED. THEY ARE DOING A GOOD JOB WITH THAT. >> CAN YOU REMIND WHAT ELS ON THAT LIST? >> THE NEW BUDGET AND ASSIGNING PROJECTS FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. >> THIS NEXT BUDGET YEAR COMING UP WITH OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT ARE QUITE SMALL. AND OUR BUDGET PROJECT ARE BASICALLY UPDATING AND ENHANCING ASSISTING OR CORRECTING THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED ON EXISTING PROPERTIES AND FACILITIES. NO NEW PROJECTS THAT WOULD -- THE ONLY NEW PROJECT SHADE STRUCTURE AT THE BUCCANEER FIELD. SIMMONS PARK WHICH IS CONTINUING AND THE OTHER ONES ARE LIKE CONSTRUCTION OF A WALK OVER. THERE'S A DUNE WALK OVER. THEY CALL IT A BEACH ACCESS COMMITTEE THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS CREATED. I'M NOT SURE WHEN THEY TAKE EFFECT. BUT THEY WILL BE MAKING THE DECISIONS ON WHERE TO PUT NEW DUNE WALK OVERS. AND WE ENDED BUDGET YEAR VERY WELL. WE CAME EVEN WITH THE COVID AND OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'RE GOING ON WE STILL GENERATED OVER 650,000 OUT OF THE 900,000 REVENUE. PART OF THE BUDGET WHICH WAS VERY PLEASING AND HELPFUL TO THE CITY. AND IF YOU ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT'S GOING ON, THIS IS GOOD TIME TO ASK ME. >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, NAN. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME. GOOD, GOOD. I TOOK A TOUR OF SIMMONS PARK AND I'M PLEASED WITH EVERYTHING I'VE SEEN. AND THANK YOU ARTHER HERMANN AND NAN AND EVERYONE. I KNOW THAT DR. PAT FOSTER WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WATER FEATURE THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE MIGRATING ANIMAL AND DRAW THEM TO BE OBSERVED BY VISITORS. AND I KNOW THAT TAKE MAINTENANCE. I'M PRAYING EVEN THOUGH IT TAKES MAINTENANCE IT COULD BE APPROVED. DO WE HAVE INCITE ON THAT. WE HAVE TALKED WITH PAT. SHE WENT ON A TOUR WITH A COUPLE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS. AND IT'S A NICE IDEA AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY. THE POINT IS LIKE YOU SAID IT WILL BE PRETTY BIG MAINTENANCE ISSUE. WE'RE ALREADY DOWNSIZING THE VEGETATION BECAUSE WE REALLY -- WHEN YOU BUILD NEW THINGS YOU MAINTAIN THE KEY COMPONENT LIKE THE BATHROOM THE PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE. [00:35:05] BUT THE MORE WE ADD -- WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT. WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO LOOK TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. AND HOW IT WILL IMPACT THE WHOLE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT THAT WE HOPE TO BRING TO THE PARK. BECAUSE SIT A NATURE PARK FAMILY TYPE NATURE PARK. THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION. AND IT'S STILL IN THERE. >> YEAH. >> THANK YOU. >> YES, MA'AM. >> NAN. THIS IS MIKE IN CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES, SIR. >> HOW ARE YOU DOING. AS FAR AS MY OVERALL THOUGHTS AND THIS IS FROM A MACRO LEVEL. NOT LOOKING AT THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE REQUESTING NAMES FOR THE FACILITIES OR SO FORTH. JUST IN GENERAL, FIRST OF ALL, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS OTHER THAN THE NAMES THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. AND I HAVE NO CONTENTION OR DOG IN THIS FIGHT WHATSOEVER. IT DOESN'T REALLY -- I'M NOT REALLY I COULD REALLY -- DON'T REALLY CARE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE PRESENT A NAME THAT WE'RE NOT JUST CATERING TO ONE GROUP OR ANOTHER. THAT THE -- THE NAME IS FULLY VETTED. SO WHATEVER WE DO IN THE FUTURE. WHATEVER WE DECIDE WE WILL DO FROM A NAME SELECTION STANDPOINT THAT WE FULLY VET THE NAME OF PEOPLE WE ARE CONSIDERING SO WE DON'T GET EGG IN OUR FACE. WE CHOSE SOMEBODY WE FOUND OUT THEY BEAT THEIR WIVES OR SOMETHING. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE CASE. THOSE ARE THE ISSUE, YOU DEAL WITH PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU NAME A PUBLIC SPOT AFTER AN INDIVIDUAL. FOR EXAMPLE, I MEAN, WE HAVE FOR CLINCH. IT'S QUESTIONABLE. THAT FORT CLINCH GENERAL CLINCH NEVER STEPPED FOOT ON THE ISLAND. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF WHAT HE ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED THERE'S SOME QUESTIONABLE CONCEPT PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO INDIANS AND HE'S FAMOUS FOR DESTROYING FORT MEDROW OUTSIDE OF PENSACOLA. THERE'S A DARK SIDE AS WELL. JUST NEED TO KEEP THOSE IN MIND AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE START LOOKING AT THE NAMES SELECTION PROCESS THAT WE KIND OF VET THE NAMES SO THAT YOU KNOW EVERYBODY FEELS COMFORTABLE AND WE MOVE FORWARD AND IT'S A GOOD DEAL. WHATEVER PROCESS WE PUT IN PLACE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE IT'S WELL-KNOWN, EVERYBODY GOOD WITH IT AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD. >> I AGREE 100%. MR. DALE MARTIN IS WORKING ON A PROCESS FOR THIS TYPE OF NAMING OF FACILITIES, WHATEVER THE FACILITY, ANY CITY PROPERTY. SYSTEM OF THE KEY COMPONENT LIKE -- THIS WAS JUST THROWING OR YOU NEED TO BE A CITY RESIDENT FROM SO MANY YEARS. AND YOU KNOW, WHAT CONSTITUTES BEING RECOGNIZED. WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE GIVEN BACK TO CITY WHETHER YOU ARE A VOLUNTEER. YOUR MONEY. WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. HE IS IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON THAT. AS HE WOULD CREATE -- I'M SURE ANY INPUT THAT THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE WOULD PROVIDE WOULD -- THE STAFF WOULD BE GRATEFUL. BUT, YES, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO IDENTIFY AS YOU'VE SEEN LATELY IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SOMETIMES NAMES COME OUT. PARKS AND REC DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT THEM. IT GO STRAIGHT FROM THE COMMISSION FROM A COMMUNITY MEMBER TO A COMMISSIONER AND THEN IT'S NAMED. NOT THAT, THAT'S BAD. BECAUSE THE FACILITY THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE NAMED AFTER FOLKS ARE DESERVING. BUT WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL AND WE NEED TO HAVE SPECIFIC CRITERIA. I THINK WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE CITY MANAGER WORKING ON WOULD BE GOOD. LIKE THE COMMISSIONER SAID MAYBE YOU COME UP WITH A LIST AND WE COULD GIVE THAT TO THE CITY AND HELP THEM OUT A LITTLE BIT. >> NAN, WOULD YOU HAVE THAT ON [00:40:04] THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING. >> YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. >> THAT'S ITEM NUMBER 8 FACILITY UPDATE REPORT. I GUESS WE WILL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEMS. >> I THINK WE HAVE A PRESENTATION. >> NUMBER NINE. >> I DON'T SEE ONE LISTED. >> I DON'T THINK -- I THINK IT WAS JUST LEFT ON THERE AS THE DEFAULT ITEM. THERE IS NO PRESENTATION. >> THAT'S A FORMAT AGENDA. [10.1 Impact Fees, Tammi Bach] >> WE WILL MOVE ON DISCUSSION IMPACT FEES. MISS TOM M BEACH IS HERE. TAMMI, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> MAY I JUST DO NOT A POWERPOINT OR ANYTHING BUT JUST TALK ABOUT IMPACT FEES IN GENERAL. THEN TALK ABOUT OUR PARKS AND RECREATION IMPACT FEE. I MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS WITH THAT OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE THE QUESTIONS ASKED FIRST? >> OKAY. I'M TALKING. OKAY. SO I PULLED UP AN ARTICLE HERE AND JUST ABOUT WHAT IMPACT FEES ARE. BUT FIRST I WILL TELL YOU GENERALLY. AND THIS IS JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AS I MADE SOME NOTES. THERE'S DIFFERENT KINDS OF FEES. OF COURSE WE KNOW WHAT TAXES ARE. THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN FLORIDA CITIES AND COUNTIES CAN ASSESS. TAXES I THINK WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. THEY ARE -- YOU'RE PAYING FOR A RIGHT TO LIVE THERE OR RIGHT TO HAVE THE CITY SERVICES. YOU'RE NOT PAYING LIKE A USER FEE AS OPPOSED TO A TAX WHEN WE PAY OUR SEWER AND WATER RATES. WE USE THIS MUCH WATER AND SEWER AND USER FEE FOR WHAT WE USED. TAXES, AGAIN ARE NOT NECESSARILY EXACTLY RELATIVE TO HOW MUCH SERVICE WE USE. RIGHT? WE ALL PAY THE SAME THING FOR OUR POLICE EVERY YEAR. BASED ON PROMPT VALUE. THEN THERE ARE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS WHICH IS A TYPE OF TAX. BUT IT IS A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT BECAUSE FOR SPECIAL REASON AND IT'S ASSESSED ON CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNERS BASED UPON A BENEFIT THAT THEY RECEIVE FROM THAT SERVICE OR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. SIDEWALKS SOMETIMES ROADS. STREET LIGHTS THINGS LIKE THAT WILL HAVE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS. >> IN FLORIDA WE HAVE A FLORIDA IMPACT FEE ACT. I WILL SAY THIS FOR THE RECORD IF ANYONE WANT TO GO BACK TO MINUTES. IT'S 163.31801 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES. THAT'S THE FLORIDA IMPACT FEE ACT. WE DIDN'T ALWAYS HAVE THAT. IMPACT FEES WERE DEEMED BEFORE THE STATUTE WAS IN PLACE IN THE 70S. IN THE 70S WE STARTED SEEING CASE LAW THAT CAME OUT FROM IMPACT FEES. THAT'S WHERE THE COURTS ESTABLISHED THEY WERE VALID FEES. ALWAYS BASED ON GROWTH. IMPACT FEES CAN ONLY BE ASSESSED FOR GROWTH. IF YOU PAY AN IMPACT FEE THIS IS ESSENTIALRY THE DUAL RATIONALE TASK THE LEGAL TEST THAT HAS TO BE PASSED TO HAVE IMPACT FEES. YOU HAVE A NEW FACILITY, YOU'RE BUILDING SOMETHING. YOU ARE ADDING A BATHROOM. YOU ARE ADDING OR PUTTING MORE BURDEN AND STRESS THEORETICALLY ON THE SYSTEM. SO FOR LET'S TALK ABOUT PARKS AND RECREATION IMPACT FEES. THOSE ARE ONLY ASSESSED ON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND YOU GET CREDITS IF YOU HAVE A FACILITY OR RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, BUT IF YOU WANT TO BUILD I'M JUST GIVING YOU A SIMPLE EXAMPLE. YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY AND YOU WANT ANOTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THAT PROPERTY. YOU WILL GET A CREDIT FOR THE ONE THAT EXIST AND YOU WILL BE ASSESSED ON THE ONE THAT'S BUILT BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE. PERIOD. WE HAVE IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. IT'S IN CHAPTER 2 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES UNDER ADMINISTRATION. ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM THERE'S DIVISION. [00:45:02] THEY GET SIX UNDER FINANCE AND YOU WILL SEE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT IMPACT FEES ACCEPT SEWER AND WATER. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SECTION. POLICE FIRE SANITATION PARKS AND RECREATION IMPACT FEES. AND AGAIN THESE ARE BASED UPON THE -- THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE RATIONALE NEXUS BEHIND HOW MUCH YOUR DEVELOPMENT WILL CAUSE TO BE NEEDED. AND WHAT YOU PAY. THAT'S DONE BY AN EXPERT THAT DOES A STUDY. THE LAST STUDY WE HAD WAS IN 2015 AND YOU WILL SEE IN SOME OF THE ORDINANCE SECTIONS IT WILL SAY THE LAST ORDINANCE WAS PASSED WHEN WE STUDIED THE FEES. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2018-44 WE ALSO HAD AN UPDATE -- AND BEFORE THAT WAS 2005. WE HAVE 13 YEARS BETWEEN THAT WAS TOO LONG. WE NEED TO DO IT ABILITY EVERY FIVE TO 7 YEAR. WE HAVE A STUDY. LOOK RATES AND WE SEPARATELY LOOKED AT SEWER AND WATER FOR YOUR INFORMATION AND DID A STUDY. I THINK THAT WAS IN 2013 OR 2014. OKAY. SO THEY ARE BASED UPON GROWTH AND THE CAPACITY THAT YOU WILL NEED BASED UPON WHAT YOU PROPOSE TO BUILD. OR INSTALL. IF YOU INSTALL AN EXTRA BATHROOM OR MORE SEATS IN A RESTAURANT CONCEIVABLY YOU WILL USE MORE WATER. SO YOUR CHARGED MORE SEWER AND WATER IMPACT FEES. FOR RECREATION WE DON'T CHARGE BASED ON IMPROVEMENTS. %-P BUILDING PERMIT STAGE WHEN YOU BUILD THE FACILITY. I'M GOING -- I HAVE PRINTED HERE THE ORDINANCE. WHAT I WILL DO IMPACT FEES ARE TO BE USED ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. WE DON'T JUST USE THEM YOU KNOW TO PAY SALARIES. TO PAY EXPENSES. TO PAY ADMINISTRATOR COSTS TO BUY PAPER TOWELS FOR THE BATHROOMS. YOU CAN'T USE THEM FOR THAT. WE IN THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE THAT EFFECTS PARKS AND REC WE DEFINE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. I WILL READ THIS. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE LAND. YOU CAN BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY. IMPROVEMENTS TO LAND. BUILDINGS, EXPANSIONS OF BUILDINGS, CONTENTS OF BUILDINGS, NEW CONTENTS. ADDITIONAL NOT REPLACEMENT. VEHICLES, EQUIPMENT WEAPONS AND COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT ALL WITH AN ACCEPTED USE LIFE OF THREE YEARS OR MORE THAT EXPANDS THE CAPACITY OF THE CITY'S ABILITY TO SERVE THE NEED OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S THE RATIONALE NEXUS. >> THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN USE IMPACT FEES TORE. WE DO NOT HAVE AS I THINK MANY CITIZENS WHEN THEY HEAR THE CITY COMMISSIONER TALK ABOUT IMPACT FEES OR SPENDING IMPACT FEES ON THE PROJECT. THEY SOMEWHERE WE HAVE A POLICY OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS CAN WE PUT IN THE FOUR LIGHT SYSTEM. OR THE LIGHT AT 10:00ER FIELD AND WE CAN GO DOWN THE LIST AND SAID WE DON'T. IT'S ALL RIGHT HERE. THERE'S NO POLICY. THERE'S NOTHING EXTRA. WE TRY TO MAKE THE CASE REALLY INTERNALLY AS WE PREPARE THE CITY COMMISSION AND AGENDAS TO MAKE THE CASE THIS IS NEEDED AND IT IS NEEDED BASED UPON NEW GROWTH. I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. IF WE USE PARKS AND RECREATION IMPACT FEE TO BUILD A BEACH WALK OVER I BET YOU I COULD MAKE THE CASE THAT WAS NEEDED DUE TO GROWTH. WITHOUT IT BEING CHALLENGEABLE BE COURT AND THE CITY LOSING. WE'RE TRYING BECAUSE WE HAVE SO FEW IMPACT FEES REALLY IN RELATION TO HOW MUCH NEW FRABLTH WE NEED. AND HOW MUCH CERTAINLY IMPROVEMENTS WE NEED. WE TRY TO BE CAREFUL AS THE COMMISSION. THEY ARE INTERNAL CONVERSATION I HAVE WITH THE MANAGEMENT THAT WE TRY TO KEEP THE EXPENDITURE IMPACT FEES REALLY FOCUS ONLY ON NEW THINGS. SIMMONS PARK OR SIMMONS ROAD PARK THAT'S A BRAND-NEW FACILITY. THAT'S AN EASY CASE FOR IMPACT FEES. I DON'T WANT TO KEEP GOING. I THINK YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS. BUT >> I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU SAID THAT PARKS AND REC IMPACT FEES R OTHER IMPACT FEE ARE ONLY FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. NOT COMMERCIAL? >> THE ONES THAT ARE -- THAT'S -- PARKS AND REC ARE ONLY ON RESIDENTIAL. WE CHARGE POLICE, FIRE, WE HAVE ANOTHER IMPACT FEE CALLED PUBLIC FACILITIES IMPACT FEE. THOSE ARE ALSO CHARGED ON COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. PARKS AND REC COMES FROM RESIDENTIAL. WE DON'T ASSUME AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE CASE THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PUTS A STRAIN OR ADDITIONAL STRAIN ON [00:50:02] PARKS AND REC FACILITIES. >> OKAY. BUT IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY DISALLOWED IN LAW? >> NO IT'S NOT DISALLOWED IN LAW. IT'S NOT ACROSS THE BOARD DISALLOWED. IF YOU COULD MAKE THE CASE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD NEED CAPACITY IN THE PARKS AND REC SYSTEM. THEN YOU COULD DO IT. THAT WOULD BE DONE IN A STUDY. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. IF YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL, AND THEY BUILD RESIDENTS ON THEM. DO THEY PAY THE IMPACT FEES? >> YES. >> IMPACT FEES ARE PAID AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT. AND IT'S NOT JUST BASED ON THE ZONING OR FUTURE LAND USE. IT'S BASED UPON THE USE. >> THE USE. >> ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION, IF THE NUMBERS WORKED OUT AND WE HAD LET'S SAY A LARGE HIGH LEVEL OF IMPACT FEE IN A PARTICULAR YEAR. WE WANTED TO BUY LET'S SAY THE UNDEVELOPED LAND THAT'S ON OUT FLETCHER THAT'S NOW POSSIBLY GOING TO TWO SIDE BY SIDE HOTELS. THAT WE ARE ALL WORRIED ABOUT. IF WE COULD BUY THE LAND. COULD WE USE THE IMPACT FEES THAT YOU'VE BEEN DESCRIBING TO MAKE SUCH A LAND PURCHASE? >> YES. >> BUT I CAN TELL YOU WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY RIGHT NOW. >> WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY. >> I MEAN SERIOUSLY YOU MAY IN FEW YEARS IF THIS THING DOESN'T GET-GOING. IT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION. EVEN THOUGH AND THAT GOES TO MISS ROSS' QUESTION. IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL. CAN YOU USE PARKS AND REC IMPACT FEES. THE ANSWER IS YES. WE WOULD REZONE IT. I'M SURE. RIGHT? >> YEP. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, ALSO. >> THIS THE JEAN. IT ISN'T STATUTORY IT'S THE CITY'S CHOICE TO NOT IMPOSE ON COMMERCIAL; IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S BASED ON THE ORDINANCE, CORRECT. >> OKAY. IS THERE ANY THOUGHT GIVEN TO FACT WE'VE ADDED HOW MANY NEW HOTELS AND SO FORTH AND CLEARLY PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE AND USING THE TENNIS COURT AND PICKLE BALL COURTS SOCCER COURT. MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE THOUGHT MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE IMPACT FEE. IT DOES. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH. IT DOES IMPACT THE PARKS. PEOPLE COME HERE. AND USE THEM. >> I THINK THAT IS -- THAT'S NOT -- THAT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD OF THAT. THAT'S BRILLIANT. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE AND, YES. YES, YOU CAN DO THAT. AND YES WE SHOULD DO THAT. AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WITH THE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO NEW CITY COMMISSIONERS. TWO SEATS THAT ARE FOR SURE OPEN; RIGHT? >> YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT THESE ARE EXCELLENT IDEAS. WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT ALTERNATIVE REVENUE SOURCES. AND WHEN I SAY THAT WHAT THAT MEANS ALTERNATIVE NOT BEING WEIRD AND KOOKIE. NOT A TAX. OURED A VALOREM TAXES ARE WHERE THEY ARE AT. THAT'S GUY I GIVE YOU MENU. SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS. I TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME SORT OF PREACH IT TO THE CITY MANAGER. WE'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS. IF WE HAVE CERTAIN PLACES I'M JUST SAYING THIS BECAUSE IT CAME UP. WE HAVE AN AREA OF THE BEACH, RIGHT, THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA SAY I WANT TO USE THAT AND I NEED IT TO HAVE A RAMP. OR I NEED IT TO HAVE SPECIAL BELLS AND WHISTLES. IF YOU HAVE THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY DO SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS IN THAT AREA TO GET THEM EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT. >> I LIKE THAT IDEA. IST GOING TO SAY I THINK PARTICULARLY AS WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE WANTING TO BE ANNEXED TO THE CITY TO ACCESS STORMWATER, CLEARLY AS WE BUILD MORE THESE PEOPLE ARE USING THINGS. THEY ARE GOING TO USE THE FACILITIES. >> YEAH. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. >> SURE. >> I'M SEEING THE PUBLIC HEARING TOMORROW. FOR THE PROPERTY THAT 14TH AND 15TH FOR A CHANGE INZONING. CLEARLY THAT HAS SOME IMPACT ON RECREATION FACILITIES. >> AS PEOPLE COME INTO WORK. AND YOU KNOW WHATEVER. BUT ANYWAY THAT WAS ONE QUESTION I HAVE. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE THE ARE THERE STATUTORY LIMITS TO THOSEES OR DO THEY JUST HAVE TO BE SET BASED ON SOME TYPE OF STUDY OR SOME PROCESS? >> THERE'S NO STATUTORY LIMITS. THEY HAVE TO BE JUSTIFIED THROUGH A STUDY. [00:55:02] >> A STUDY? >> OKAY. >> LAST QUESTION I HAVE I THINK IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY HAVE TO BE USED WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME OF WHEN THEY ARE COLLECTED. OVER A PERIOD OF TIME; IS THAT CORRECT? >> LET ME GET -- YES, IT'S CORRECT. I WILL GET TO THE SECTION ABOUT REFUNDS. UNDER SECTION 2-461 IF BUILDING PERMIT EXPIRES WITHOUT A BUILDING, THE BUILDING -- AT BUILDING PERMIT TIME. THIS IS NOW IN THE STATUTE TO THE LEGISLATURE MAKES IT CLEAR THAT YOU CAN ONLY COLLECT THE IMPACT FEES ONCE YOU'RE READY TO RELEASE THE PERMIT. AND IF THE PERMIT EXPIRES, AND THERE'S NO BUILDING, YOU CAN APPLY FOR A PERMIT. AND IT STAYS OPEN FOR THREE MONTHS. IT USED TO BE SIX. IT'S THREE MONTHS. IF IT EXPIRES THEN THE FEE PAYER IS ENTITLED TO REFUND WITH OUT INTEREST. THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS ANY FUNDS NOT EXPENDED OR INCUMBERED BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR QUARTER IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING SIX YEARS FROM THE DATE THE IMPACT FEE WERE PAID THEY HAVE TO BE REFUNDED. I CAN TELL YOU THAT JUST IN MY HISTORY HERE WE HAVE NO PROBLEM SPENDING IMPACT FEES. AND WE'VE SPENT IT ON GOOD THINGS. >> FOLLOW I HAVE TO THAT. MAYBE YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT. BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. IS THERE SOME LIKE MASSIVE SPREADSHEET SHOWS WHAT'S COMES IN AND THIS MONEY FROM YEAR THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE. AND WE HAVE TO SPEND THIS MUCH THIS YEAR TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GIVE IT BACK TO SOMEONE. >> NOT THAT I KNOW OF. BUT EACH IMPACT FEE. EACH TYPE OF IMPACT FEE HAS OWN TRUST FUND. PARKS AND RECREATION HAS A TRUST FUND. YOU WILL WELCOME TO ANYBODY CAN E-MAIL THE COMPTROLLER AND ASK THAT QUESTION AND SEE WHAT RECORDS THEY HAVE. >> I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S ALL LUMPED IN. ANYTIME I CHECKED TO SEE IF WE KEPT A CERTAIN TYPE OF RECORD WE DID. THEY ARE PRETTY GOOD IN FINANCE. >> I KNOW NAN, IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET. AND SAYING WELL DO YOU GET A FIGURE FROM FINANCE THAT SAID THIS WHAT YOU NEED TO SPEND THIS YEAR. HERE IS HOW MUCH YOU HAVE TO SPEND. TO YOUR POINT TAMMI IT'S PROBABLY NOT AN ISSUE. THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY SITTING IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TERM INCUMBERED MEANS. DOES IT MEAN -- CLEARLY IT DOESN'T MEAN SPENT. DOES IT MEAN DEDICATED IT TO SOMETHING? >> IT MEANS -- >> CAN I INTERRUPT? >> YEAH. INCUMBERED MEANS YOU HAVE DONE A PURCHASE ORDER OR DONE SOMETHING WHERE IT IS SCHEDULED TO BE PAID IN THE FUTURE. >> OKAY. IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE YOU BUDGETED IT FOR IT. >> BECAUSE WE BUDGET FOR THINGS THAT WE NEVER EVEN DO. BECAUSE WE DO NOT GET WE DON'T GET INFORMATION ON HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO SPEND. IN PARKS AND REC. I THINK BECAUSE WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH SPENDING A LITTLE BIT EVERY YEAR. WHICH I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE. IF WE DID GET A REPORT FROM THE COMPTROLLER EVERY YEAR. THIS IS HOW MUCH YOU BROUGHT IN. OVER THE PAST SO MANY YEARS. THIS IS HOW MUCH LEFT YOU HAVE TO SPEND WITH THIS AND THAT. IT'S JUST -- THINK BECAUSE WE SPEND THEM IT HAS PRESIDENT BEEN AN ISSUE. IT'S A GOOD WAY TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT AND BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. NAN. THIS THE FOR TAMMI. I'M CURIOUS. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF REVENUE IS IMPACT FEES FOR THE CITY? AND THEN I GOT FOLLOW UP QUESTION. >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT MR. KEGLER. I WILL GET IT FOR YOU AND WE WILL E-MAIL IT TO THE BOARD HERE. >> FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS, ONCE YOU RECEIVED THOSE FUNDS, THEY [01:00:05] ARE VERY -- I'M ASSUMING. BECAUSE I DO AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. I ASSUME THAT FUNDING IS TRACKED AND WITH THE FUNDING FROM THE COMPTROLLER AND SPENT ONLY ON CAPITAL ASSETS THAT ARE DEAPPRECIABLE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> WHEN I HEARD YOU SAY EARLIER YOU HAVE TO SPEND THE RIGHT MONEY. CAN'T BE SPENT ON SALARIES. IT CAN'T BE SPENT ON SHORT-TERM SUPPLIES OR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. IT THOSE BE CAPITAL ASSET. THAT'S DEAPPRECIABLE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. >> YES. EXACTLY. >> THANK YOU. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR MY QUESTIONS. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR TAMMI, WHILE WE HAVE HER HERE. >> IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE EASIER ORDINANCES TO READ. IT'S BROKEN DOWN NICELY. THERE'S A SECTION ON USE OF FUNDS. YOU CAN FIND ON CODE OF ORDINANCES EASY WAY TO DO GO TO WWW.MUNICODE.COM. YOU GO TO STATE OF FLORIDA. YOU PICK FERNANDINA BEACH. AND YOU CAN SEE OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS NOT CURRENTLY KEPT THERE BECAUSE THERE'S A COST TO DOING THAT AND KEEPING IT UPDATED. THAT'S ON THE CITY'S WEB SILENT. THAT'S WHERE YOU FIND THE ORDINANCES AND THEY ARE VERY UP-TO-DATE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. >> THANK YOU. ITEM 10.2. [10.2 Columbarium] FOR DISCUSSION THE COLUMBARIUM. >> I ASKED FERNANDINA TO KEEP THIS ON NOT BECAUSE OF DISCUSSION. I KNOW YOU WANT TIME TO PREPARE SOME MATERIALS FOR THE NEXT MEETINGS. I JUST PUT IT ON TO ASK THAT WITH THAT, THAT -- COULD THERE BE SOME MAYBE -- WHICH I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL LIKE BUDGET INFORMATION OF WHAT HAS BEEN SPENT LIKE MAYBE I LOOKED AT THE BUDGET DOCUMENTS SAYING WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. IN ADDITION TO PROPOSAL HERE'S A HISTORY OF WHAT FINANCIALLY HAS BEEN INVESTED. AND WHAT'S COSTING. THAT'S THE REASON IT'S ON THERE. NOT FOR DISCUSSION TODAY. >> WE CAN PROVIDE ALL THAT INFORMATION. >> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> THAT'S ALL. THAT'S THE REASON I ASKED. WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT NEXT MONTH. >> OKAY. THANKS, JEAN. [10.3 ATC Heroes Grove Proposal Review] >> UH-HUH. >> ITEM 10.3 IS THE ATV HEROES GROVE PROPOSAL REVIEW. MARGARET KIRKLAND 1377 PLANTATION POINT DRIVE. I WILL ALSO BE PRESIDING WITH ARTHER HERMAN WHO IS RIGHT THERE. AND I'M GOING TO START OFF AND THEN TOSS IT TO ARTHER. AS YOU KNOW WE WOULD LIKE TO DO A PLANTING OF A GROVE IN CENTRAL PARK. AND ACTUALLY WE HAVE A GRANT NOW TO SUPPORT SINCE LAST TIME WE MET WITH YOU. SUPPORT ALMOST ALL OF THIS. WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE'RE NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY. WE'RE NOT CUTTING ANY TREES OR ANYTHING. WE WOULD LIKE TO PLANT A NUMBER OF TREES TO ADD TO THE ONES THERE AND SHRUBS TO CREATE THE EFFECT OF A GROVE. AND I THINK I WILL BE LOVELY. BETWEEN THE GIRL SCOUT AREA OF 13TH STREET AND THE COURTS ON THE TWO OTHER SIDES. THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS THAT WE PROPOSED THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO UTILIZE WE WOULD LIKE TO GET VOLUNTEERS IN THE COMMITTEE. THEY VOLUNTEER TO HELP THE ENVIRONMENT. FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE CHRISTINE [01:05:05] HERMAN WHO HAS GROUP THAT CLEANS UP THE BEACH. RELIGIOUSLY. AND THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. WE HAVE MARY DUFFY WHO HAS A GROUP THAT IS INVOLVED IN MONITORING AND PROTECTING THE SEA TURTLES. THERE'S LOTS OF GROUPS AND LOTS OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WORK BY THEMSELVES AND CONTRIBUTE A LOT TO THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE CITY. SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THE TASK THAT THEY DO WOULD BE NECESSARY EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE VOLUNTEERS. HAVING THIS GROVE WOULD BE A GOOD CONTEXT FOR CELEBRATING THESE PEOPLE. NOW THIS THE ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO AND I DIDN'T EMPHASIZE THIS MUCH LAST TIME. TO SOLVING A PROBLEM. ONE OF THE POINTS THAT MR. ROSS HAS MADE OFTEN IN COMMISSION MEETING THAT WE LOST A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CANOPY AS A RESULT OF CONSTRUCTION STORMS IN THE CITY. ALONG WITH THAT, IN CENTRAL PARK WE HAVE LOST A LOT OF TREES. WE NEED A PLAN FOR REGENERATING THAT. THIS WOULD BE ONE STEP IN THAT PROCESS. THERE WERE A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT CAME UP IN THE LAST MEETING THAT I WAS A BIT CONFUSED ABILITY, REALLY. I WASN'T SURE WHAT THEY MEANT. ONE OF THE POINTS OBJECTED TO IT BEING A DESTINATION. I'M NOT SURE HOW THE TERM DESTINATIONS INTENDED. NOWADAYS WHEN SOMEONE TALKS ABOUT SOMETHING BEING DESIGNATION WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS SOMETHING WITH A LOT OF ACTIVITIES HUGE CROWD OF PEOPLE COMING IN WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE HAVE IN MIND AT ALL. AND SO I BELIEVE I SAID IT'S NOT A DESIGNATION. CERTAINLY NOT THAT TYPE. A DESTINATION FOR INDIVIDUAL AND SMALL GROUPS TO COME IN AND INDIO THE ENVIRONMENT AND MAYBE LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT THE VOLUNTEERS. IN THAT SENSE WE COULD CALL IT A DESTINATION. THE OTHER THING THAT I WAS PUZZLED BY. ACTUALLY SO ASTOUNDED BY THIS, THAT I COULDN'T RESPOND TO IT AT THAT MEETING. THAT WAS THAT ERIC MADE A STATEMENT THAT IS ALL ABOUT ATC. THIS IS NOT ALL ABOUT ATC. THE ONLY AS SUSPECT OF IT THAT IS ATC IS THE DESIGN AND EX-CONSTITUTION AND THE FACT THAT WE PAY FOR IT. IF THE CELEBRATION ASPECT IS USED WE WOULD BE A VERY SMALL PART IF ANY PART OF THAT. THAT'S A PROCESS THROUGH YOUR COMMITTEE AND THE COMMISSION AND WE WOULD NOT BE MAKING THOSE -- THOSE DECISIONS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S ALL -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THE SOURCE OF THE QUESTION. AS WE DISCUSS MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY THESE THINGS. WE'RE BASICALLY LOOKING FOR YOUR INPUT. WE PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL. AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR INPUT ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE HERE. ARTHER ADDED A LESS FORMAL DESIGN AND THERE'S LOTS OF VARIABLES HERE THAT CAN BE PLAYED. THERE'S NOT ONE EXACT FORM WHICH HAS TO BE FOLLOWED. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ARTHER TO ADDRESS THOSE. THOSE ARE THE LAST TWO PAGES OF THE PROPOSAL IF YOU HAVE THE PROPOSAL WITH YOU. ARTHER? >> YES HI. I'M SURE YOU HAVE THE K PARTY IN FRONT OF YOU. THERE'S TWO PLANS AS YOU CAN SEE. ONE IS SOMEWHAT FORMAL WITH PATHWAY. THE OTHER IS BASICALLY PATHWAYS AND THE CIRCLE AND MORE TREES AND SHRUBS AND MAKE IT INFORMAL. WE IS ANOTHER OPTION. THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS ALSO. WE SPOKE ABOUT HAVING BRICKS WITH NAMES ON BRICK. JUST LIKE EATONS CREEK PART. [01:10:06] OR JUST HAVE A LARGE STONE WITH THE PLAQUE THAT JUST CELEBRATING VOLUNTEERS. PERIOD. WITH NO NAMES. IT'S ANOTHER OPTION. OUR GROUP CONCERN NOT CONCERNED. JUST TO FOLLOW UP AN AREA THAT COULD CELEBRATE VOLUNTEERS. PERIOD. IF YOU GO WITH NAMES THAT WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR ORGANIZATION. THAT'S PRESENTED TO I GUESS YOUR COMMISSIONER ON THE CITY COMMISSION. YOU DETERMINE IF NAMES ARE ADDED OR NOT. WE REALLY WOULD BE OUT OF IT. OUR IDEA TO DEVELOP THIS AREA AND MAKE IT MORE GROW LOOKING TYPE AREA. THE AREA RIGHT NOW IS LOVE I WILL THE WAY IT IS. AND IF WE ADD ALL THESE EXTRA TREES AND SHRUBS IT COULD BE MORE INTIMATE AND PLEASING MAYBE A BENCH OR TWO AND PLAQUE THAT SAID WHAT THE AREA IS. AND THAT'S BASICALLY SIMPLE AS I CAN PUT IT. >> >> DOES THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THEY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS? >> JUST ONE POINT THAT IS CLEAR IN THE MATERIALS WAS CLEAR FROM PAST DISCUSSION BUT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED. DO THE PEOPLE HONORED HAVE PASSED AWAY IN CASE ANYONE NEED REINFORCING OF THAT. I LIKE THE IDEA OF NAMING PEOPLE WHO HAVE PASS AWAY AND BRINGING INTO THE SOLITUDE AND PEACE AND QUIET OF THE TREE. IT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL CONCEPT ALL TOGETHER. I STRONGLY SUPPORT IT. >> IF I MAY SAY ONE MORE THING. IF IT'S APPROVED EITHER PLAN, I CAN CONSIDER THE MAINTENANCE OF IT. MY WHOLE PRFGS PROFESSIONAL LANDSCAPE HAS BEEN GROUNDS MAINTENANCE. DIRECTOR FOR MANY YEARS. CITIES OF PARK AND REC. I CONSIDER IT MAINTENANCE OF PARK AREAS. AND PATH WAY PLAN IS GOING TO BE IN CONJUNCTION WHAT'S GOING ON AT SIMMONS PARK. I WILL WAIT FOR WHAT THEY DO THERE WITH THE CRUSHED GRANITE STONE AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT. AND SEE HOW IT HOLDS UP. AND IF IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO WHEELCHAIR PATH OR WHATEVER. THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATION TO BE DONE. MAINTENANCE OF THAT AREA WHICH SEEMS TO BE FORMAL LOOK WOULD BE PERHAPS ONCE IN A WHILE DOING MOWING OF WALKWAYS OR POWER WASHING THE CIRCLE WITH THE BRICKS. >> THAT'S BASICALLY IS. NORMAL MAINTENANCE OF THE PARK TAKES PLACE. CUTTING THE GRASS AND SO ON. I SPOKE WITH NAN AND THE SUPERINTENDENT. AND THEY ARE ONBOARD. THEY WERE EXCITED ABOUT PARTICIPATING WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT. I THINK IT'S A NICE PROJECT FOR THE WHOLE CITY. >> I GUESS FROM MY POINT OF VIEW I'M ALWAYS AMAZED HOW MANY VOLUNTEERS WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY. WHO JUST GO THE EXTRA MILE TO DO SO MANY THINGS. WE GIVE THEM VERY LITTLE CREDIT. SOME THF WE MEMORIALIZED IN FILLING. THE AUDITORIUMS. BUT WE DON'T PICK UP THE SMALLER REALLY FOCUSED GROUPS OF PEOPLE AND THOSE LEADERSHIP POSITIONS THAT HAVE REALLY JUST OVER THE YEARS HAVE MADE A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT WOULD COMMEMORATE ANY TYPE OF VOLUNTEER WORK. AND THIS IS -- THIS ONE AREA WE DON'T COMMEMORATE. AND IT'S SUCH A BIG PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. WHICHEVER WAY THE PLEASING TO PARK AND REC DEPARTMENT FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES, IF IT'S FULLY PAID FOR. YOU KNOW I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO. >> THIS THE JEAN. I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF THE GROVE AND HAVING RESTFUL AREA BUT I HAVE TO SAY I DON'T -- HAVE SOME ISSUE AND THIS KIND OF IN LINE WITH HOW WE DECIDE WHO TO RECOGNIZE. TO YOUR POINT THERE'S SO MANY VOLUNTEER GROUPS AND THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT DO THINGS AND I'M NOT A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRECEDENT OF ALLOWING DEDICATION AND SO FORTH TO ONE PARTICULAR VOLUNTEER GROUP. THERE'S GIRL SCOUT LEADERS. THERE'S SOCCER COACHES, THERE'S [01:15:05] TUTORS, THERE'S HUMANE SOCIETY VOLUNTEERS. I RECOGNIZE THAT THE CONSERVANCY HAS DONE A LOT AND THEY'VE DONE A LOT. BUT I'M NOT -- I'M NOT OPPOSED TO GROVE. WHAT I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH AND I HAVE PEOPLE VOICE THAT OPINION TO ME WHEN I CHATTED WITH THEM ABOUT IT. WHY DOES ONE GROUP GET TO PUT SOMETHING IN MEMORIAL AND BRICKS FOR THEIR VOLUNTEER GROUP. >> THIS IS NOT ABOUT VOLUNTEERS FROM ATC. THIS IS VOLUNTEERS FROM ALL THAT DO ANYTHING THAT RELATES TO THE ENVIRONMENT. YES. >> GIRL COULD LEADERS MEMORIALIZED TOO. BUT THIS IS NOT -- WHY IS IT CALLED HEROES GROVE? >> THAT WAS INITIAL INTENT. YOU HAVE A WHOLE PROCESS WHERE YOU WOULD NOMINATE PEOPLE AND WOULD COME TO THE BOARD TO COMMITTEE AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND -- THERE WAS A WHOLE PROCESS OUT LYING IN THE FIRST PRESENTATION. >> YOU DID NOT READ THE PROCESS. THE PROCESS -- THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS NOMINATE PEOPLE TO THIS COMMITTEE AND THAT YOU MAKE A DETERMINATION AND YOU SEND IT TO THE COMMISSIONERS. AND THEY APPROVE IT. WE'RE NOT INVOLVED IN THE SELECTION PROCESS. WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORWARD A FEW PEOPLE FOR THE BEGINNING FOR THE FIRST PHASE. JUST TO GET IT STARTED. THAT'S IT. AFTER THAT WE'RE NOT DECIDING ON WHO SHOULD BE CELEBRATED AT ALL. >> MAYBE I DIDN'T WRITE IT WELL. >> I THINK THAT PERHAPS JEAN IS SAYING THE ENVIRONMENT IS ONLY ONE WORTHY CAUSE. THERE'S OTHER WORTHY CALLS. I WOULD LIKE TO REFLECT THAT THE ENVIRONMENT IS SUCH A PROFOUND AND BROAD CARD ON COMPANIES AND SO VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR AREA IT MAKES SENSE TO EMPHASIZE ENVIRONMENT. AS WE LOOK INTO THIS AND WE SEE PEOPLE WHO HAVE PASSED AWAY AND CONTRIBUTED TO THE ENVIRONMENT THAT BROADEN OUR AWARENESS WE KNOW IT'S THE TREES WE KNOW THE TURTLES, AND THE BEACHES WE KNOW IT'S GLOBAL WARMING WE KNOW IT'S THE GREEN ENERGY. THERE'S SO MANY WAYS THAT WHEN PEOPLE PASS AWAY WHO ARE LEAVE A HOLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WE CAN SAY WHAT DID THEY DO FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT IN THE BROADER SENSE OF THE WORD. BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BRODEN TO ALL VOLUNTEERS WHATEVER THEY DO ARING ONCE THEY DO IT FOR FREE. THEY WILL BE CELEBRATED. LET'S STICK WITH ENVIRONMENT. WE ALL NEED TO HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSCIOUSNESS. >> IF YOU WANT TO CELEBRATE OTHER TYPES OF VOLUNTEERS, LET'S PLANT MORE TREES AND CREATE SOME MORE AREAS LIKE THIS. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. >> I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. IS THAT YOU'RE TAKING THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY WHICH IS YOU KNOW COULD HAVE FUTURE USE FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. AND MAKING THAT FOR A PARTICULAR CATEGORY WHICH IS ENVIRONMENTAL. I AGREE WITH YOU. THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO RECOGNIZE ENVIRONMENTAL CONTRIBUTION LIKE THAT. BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE OTHER GROUPS THAT AREN'T IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL REALM. LET'S DO THE SAME THING WITH DIFFERENT PART OF THE PARK. >> BUT THEN WE END UP HAVING ALL THESE LITTLE PLACES THAT ARE FILLED WITH MONUMENTS. >> THAT HAVE TREES. >> THAT ARE DEDICATED TO THOSE PARTICULAR GROUPS. WHERE DOES IT STOP, I GUESS? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IF I CAN INTERJECT. I GOT THE IMPRESSION BECAUSE IN YOUR FIRST DRAFT CRITERIA TO BE A HERO IS ANYONE WHO CONTRIBUTES SUBSTANTIALLY TO MAINTAIN IMPROVING ANY ASPECT OF THE ENVIRONMENT. INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED. IT WAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL FOCUS. NOT ANYBODY WHO CONTRIBUTED --. >> THAT'S NOT ATC. THAT'S EVERYONE. >> I SUPPORT THAT. HONORING PEOPLE WHO HAVE MADE A [01:20:03] DIFFERENT IN THE ENVIRONMENT. I THINK ENVIRONMENT IS A BIG AND BROAD ENOUGH AND IMPORTANT ENOUGH CONCEPT THAT -- THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. THAT'S MY OWN OPINION. >> SIT. MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE -- WHAT THEY'VE DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY. THERE COULD BE MANY THINGS THAT PEOPLE FEEL TO APPOINT. THAT THEY SOME TYPE OF MEMORIAL AREA. >> A PARK WITH TREES. ENVIRONMENT AND TREES GO TOGETHER. >> MEMORIALS ARE IN PARKS. THEY ARE NOT ENVIRONMENTAL. THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT CAN IN THERE? >> DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO DISCUSSION? >> THAT'S MY OPINION. I HAVE I DIDN'T EVEN OCCUR TO ME UNTIL I HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE CHATTING ABOUT IT. SAY WELL WHY IS THAT GROUP GETTING SOMETHING AND WE TAKING SPACE IN OUR CITY PARK TO DO THAT? WHAT IF ANOTHER GROUP WANTS TO DO IT? >> THAT'S MY ONLY ISSUE I'M RAISING. >> IT'S A LARGE SEGMENT OF OUR POPULATION, ACTUALLY. BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT THE GROUP. >> THERE'S A PRINCIPLE HERE. WHICH IS WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE? YOU HAVE A GROUP OF THAT YOU WANT TO RECOGNIZE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL VOLUNTEERSISM. I THINK THAT'S TERRIFIC. >> BUT THEN ARE POTENTIALLY MANY OTHER GROUPS THAT YOU ARE NOW SETTING THE PRESS PRECEDENTS FOR. >> HEARSE OTHER THINGS DONE. I HEAR PLACES BEING DEDICATED IN HONOR OF CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE A LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHAT THE EARLIER CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT. >> FROM WHERE WE SIT. THIS OPENS THE DOOR TO OTHER PEOPLE WHO WILL WANT TO COME -- MAY WANT TO COME IN AND SAY, MY GROUP OUGHT TO HAVE A COMMEMORATIVE TREE GROVE WITH A PURGOLA. >> I WILL BE HAPPY TO PLANT THE TREES. >> IF YOU WANT TO PLANT TREES. I WILL BE HAPPY THE PLANT THE TREES. MAYBE THEY DON'T WANT TO PLANT TREE. THE PRINCIPLE EXISTS THAT -- >> IT'S A PARK. YOU SET A PRECEDENTS. >> I WANT TO SAY PERHAPS WE HAVE THE GROVE. WE HAVE MARKER THIS GROVE IS PROVIDED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY IN HONOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL VOLUNTEERS KNOW PARTICULAR NAMES AND SO FORTH. THAT'S THE FACT OF THE MATTER. THIS WHO'LL CONCEPT CAME FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY. GRANT OBTAINED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY. AND THEY HAVE TREED THAT WERE PLANTED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. IF PEOPLE PEOPLE THERE'S TO MANY TIMES OF PARTICULAR ENVIRONMENTALIST AND WHAT ABOUT MY NAME. AND THEY EGOS GET TRIGGER. SPRAP SIMPLICITY COULD E-LEIGH THOSE ANXIETIES. BUT THE IDEA OF HAVING BEAUTIFUL GROVE THAT CELEBRATING THE ENVIRONMENT AND THOSE WHO HAVE PASSED AWAY. JUST THINGS LIKE INTUITIVELY A BEAUTIFUL IDEA. KEEP IT SIMPLE, PERHAPS. >> ALL RIGHT. THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. >> I THINK MR. KEGLER. I'M SORRY MR. KEGLER. >> WELL I'M LOOKING AT THIS. AND WHAT I'M -- I'M TRYING TO BE MDIATOR. PEOPLE AREN'T NECESSARILY DISAGREEING THE TREES AND SO NORTH ARE BEAUTIFUL AND WE SHOULD BE PLANTING MORE TREES AND GREENERY SO FORTH IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT IT'S JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR ENVIRONMENT WHEN THERE ARE OTHER ARROWS. WHEN I READ THIS INITIAL I THOUGHT JUST FOR VOLUNTEERS. AND WE WERE CELEBRATING VOLUNTEERISM IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND THAT TAKES MANY SHAPES AND FORM. THE OTHER PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS ON THE NORTH WESTERN SIDE IS DEDICATED TO VETERANS. >> YOU KNOW. AND I BELIEVE THAT IF PEOPLE SAID WELL YOU CAN ONLY BE AN ARMY VET TO COME INTO THIS PARK AS OPPOSED TO A NAVY VET. THEN YOU KNOW, WOULD WE HAVE ISSUE WITH THAT. THAT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING HERE WITH THE [01:25:04] VOLUNTEERISM. IT'S FOCUSED ON ENVIRONMENTAL. BUT I THINK THE OPEN SPACE WOULD MY OPINION BE GREAT IF WE JUST OPENED ANY VOLUNTEER PARTICULARLY YOU KNOW WITH THE FOOD SHELTERS AND OTHER VOLUNTEERISM. THERE'S A LOT OF VOLUNTEERISM THAT IS GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE DON'T RECOGNIZE. I THINK IT'S TUBLT TO SAY OKAY SENATE ONLY ARE WE PLANTING TREES. AGAINST NOT DO I WANT TO PLANT TREES. I WANT PLANT THEM IN ALL OTHER PLACES WHERE THERE'S COMMERCIAL STUFF GOING ON. MY MAJOR ISSUE. WHAT I HEAR JEANNE AND ERIC SAYING. LET'S NOT JUST FOCUS ON ONE PARTICULAR GROUP. IF WE GO -- IF WE WILL CELEBRATE VOLUNTEERISM. LET'S OPEN IT TO ALL VOLUNTEERS. >> WITH THIS PARTICULAR EFFORT. I KNOW YOU LOOK AT FUNDING. I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING IT SHOULD ONLY BE ENVIRONMENTAL VOLUNTEERISM WE SHOULD BE CELEBRATING WITH THIS PROT OF LAND. IT SHOULD BE OPEN TO EVERYBODY. >> >> IN HONOR OF ALL VOLUNTEER. THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY DID SUPPLY IT WOULD BE BUT IT WOULDN'T BE LIMITED TO ENVIRONMENTAL VOLUNTEERS. >> THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GETTING. >> RIGHT. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO ALL TYPES OF VOLUNTEERS. >> I THINK YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT. AND COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH A PERHAPS BROADER PROPOSAL. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. UP TO YOU. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> I AM INTERESTED. WOULD YOUR GROUP TO WILLING TO DO IT FOR ALL VOLUNTEERS? >> YES. >> ARTHER. ANY INPUT ON THAT? >> HERE'S WHAT I'M HEARING. I AGREE. I THINK ALL WE'RE LOOKING TO DO CREATE A WOODED TREE AREA OF TREES AND SHRUBS AND HAVE A STONE WITH A PLAQUE THAT SAYS THIS AREA IS DEDICATED TO ALL THE HEROES WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE THIS ISLAND PERIOD. AND THAT COULD BE ANY -- NO GROUP. DON'T LIST ANY GROUPS. >> ALL VOLUNTEERS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS BEAUTIFUL ISLAND. PERIOD. THAT'S THE END OF IT. IT'S A PASSIVE PLACE. AND THAT'S IT. >> NO NAMES NO GROUPS. NO VOLUNTEERS. NO INDIVIDUALS. >> COULD WE -- COULD I PROPOSE A MOTION THAT WE PROVE THAT CONCEPT OR IDEA. AT THIS MEETING? >> IF I GET A SECOND. >> I SECOND. >> WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL. >> DISCUSSION? >> I WOULD PREFER THAT YOU COME BACK AND GIVE US THE DETAILS. AND REALLY EXPLAIN WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO DO AT THE NEXT MEETING. >> THIS PROPOSAL IS WRITTEN. IF WE WERE ASKED TO VOTE ON IT, I WOULD VOTE NO. WE SHOULD HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS AND THEN HAVE WORD IN MINUTES. NEEDS TO COME BACK AS PROPOSAL. >> IT'S A CONCEPT. >> NO. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH JEAN. I WOULD HAVE TO VOTE NO. >> OKAY. WE CAN DO THAT. WE CAN DO THAT. >> DO YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. >> VOTE ON IT ANYWAY. >> THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONCEPT AS PRESENTED. >> NOT AS PRESENTED WITH CONCEPT THAT ALL VOLUNTEERS WOULD BE COMMEMORATED. >> THAT'S NOW HOW IT'S PRESENTED. >> THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S PRESENTED. WE'RE VOTING ON A PROPOSAL. >> I WANT TO HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT THAT. [01:30:01] >> THE PLANS THEMSELVES, IS IS THERE ANY PREFERENCE FOR THE DESIGN? LET'S START WITH THAT? >> I LIKE THE FORMAL ONE. >> PREFERENCE WOULD BE NO PATHS, AND A ROCK. >> THAT'S TWO. THAT'S MORE THAN ONE. >> I SEE PROPOSED MONUMENT. IS BRICK FACE MONUMENT? >> YES. WHICH ONE ARE YOU LOOKING AT? >> I'M LOOKING IT SAYS TENNIS COURT AND BRONZE SOMETHING WITH A BRONZE PLAQUE AND LOOKS LIKE A FIRE PLATE. >> KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THE ONE THAT'S IN THE SITE. THAT'S EXACTLY THE VETERAN SITE. THAT'S THE CONCEPT OF THE FIRST DRAWING WITH THE PATH WAYS LEADING TO IT. THE SECOND ONE HAS TWO DIFFERENT CONCEPTS THAT HAS JUST A NATURAL STONE WITH A PLAQUE ON IT. THIS COULD BE VERY INFORMAL AND DEDICATED TO ALL VOLUNTEERS WHO HAVE MADE THIS ISLAND MORE WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE. NOW IF WE CAN AGREE WITH CONCEPT OF THE DESIGN, EITHER ONE. WE CAN COME BACK WITH WORD CHANGE WITH THE WORDS. >> OKAY. >> I LIKE ALL THE DESIGNS. >> HAVING GONE THROUGH THIS PARK. LET'S GET EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS. AND SO WE ARE NOT GOING BACK SIX MONTHS OR TEN MONTHS FROM NOW SAYING WHAT DID WE AGREE TO? >> >> IT'S KIND OF A SAD THING, BECAUSE WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD ON TRYING TO HONOR THE HEROES DO SOMETHING FOR BECKER JORDY AND OTHERS THAT ARE ON THIS. -- THAT SPECIFICALLY HEROS TO BE HONORED BECAUSE WE WANTED TO HAVE LIKE A SMALL GROVE. IT'S NOT A LARGE AREA. IT'S A SMALL AREA. WE'VE WORKED HARD ON THIS FOR MONTHS. MY HUSBAND WORKED HARD ON THIS. WHEN MARGARET AND WE WE DISCUSSED. I SAID MARGARET, THE PARK AND RECREATION ARE IN A REALLY STRANGE PLACE. THEY TOOK ALL THIS PUSH BACK FROM THE COMMUNITY OVER THE SIMMONS PARK AND THEY WERE FLOORED. THEY DIDN'T EXPECT IT. WE UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE SESS STANT. IT'S NOT SIMILAR TO SIMMONS. THERE'S NOTHING SIMILAR ABOUT SIMMONS PARK A THIS PARK. THIS IS A GROVE OF TREES THAT'S HONORING WITH A FEW BRICKS SAYING THANK YOU FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THE OUR ISLAND BEAUTY. WE'RE ADDING TO CANOPY. WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY. WE'RE NOT DOING WHAT SIMMONS PARK IS. WE'RE NOT BEING INTRUSIVE. IT'S JUST DISQUIETING AND UPSETTING. I JUST WANT TO PUT MY BIG MOUTH AND TWO CENTS IN. >> I'M SORRY. >> TO GO BACK ANOTHER MONTHS. >> WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONCEPT THAT ALL VOLUNTEERS WILL BE PRESENTED. >> OKAY. >> THAT'S IT. >> OKAY. >> THANKS. >> COULD YOU REPEAT THE MOTION PLEASE. >> THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONCEPT THAT ALL VOLUNTEERS WOULD BE PRESENTED. >> REPRESENTED. >> I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WE NEED TO SEE THE PRINTED VERSION. >> I UNDERSTAND IT. >> I WILL WITHDRAW THE MOTION. >> MEMBER ROSS WILL WITHDRAWAL HER MOTION. THERE'S NO VOTE. >> OKAY. >> THAT'S IT. >> IT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING. >> YEP. >> THANK YOU. >> I CAN CHIME IN FOR A MOMENT. [01:35:01] THIS IS NAN. I'M BACK. I GOT KICKED OUT. THIS CONCEPT IS JUST A CONCEPT CREATED BY VOLUNTEERS TO RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE LOCAL FOLKS WHO HAVE DONATED TIME AND EVEN MONEY. IT'S A VERY SMALL PROJECT THAT WE BROUGHT FORTH TO THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE SO THEY COULD REVIEW IT. HAVE THEIR INPUT. THIS IS NOT A TYPE OF PROJECT WHERE THE PARKS AND REC WILL PICK AND CHOOSE WORDS ON A PLAQUE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE SAY COMMISSION ADVISORY COMMITTEE. TAKING THIS BACK AND BACK AND BACK TO GET INTO THE NITTY-GRITTY, WE TAKEN TO ADVISORY COMMITTEE TWICE. YOU'VE SEEN THE CONCEPT. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE CONCEPT, WE NEED TO KNOW, BECAUSE FOLKS THAT ARE PAYING FOR THIS VOLUNTEERING THIS HELPING WITH OUR TREE CANOPY THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO GROW, THAT'S GOING TO BE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. WE'RE GOING TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TAKE THIS TO THEM SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT IS POSSIBLY GOING TO HAPPEN. WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO BRING THIS BACK AND BACK. WE'RE GOING INTO THE GROWING SEASON. PLANTING IS A GOOD TIME. AND THIS IS -- VERY SMALL SMALL PROJECT. I NEEDED THROW THAT OUT THERE AND LET YOU KNOW AS A COMMITTE. WE MAY CHOOSE TO HAVE THAT PRESENTED TO THEM. >> WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT. >> YOU WOULD TAKE TO CITY COMMISSION REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE SAY. >> NO WE'LL LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU REVIEWED IT TWICE. OVER TWO-MONTH PERIOD. AND THAT THERE'S BEEN MUCH DISCUSSION BUT NO DECISION WAS MADE. WE'RE LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED BY THE VOLUNTEER GROUP THAT'S DONATING THEIR MONEY AND TIME AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. IF A FEW TREES, IT'S NOT A GIANT PARK. IT'S NOT A BIG IMPACT. EVERYTHING IS CONSIDERED TEMPORARY. YES. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH -- YEAH. >> MY UNDERSTANDING WE -- >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> WE DON'T AGREE WITH JUST MAKING FOR ONE VOLUNTEER GROUP. YOU ALL CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT DO DO AFTER THAT. >> ONE VOLUNTEER GROUP. I MUST HAVE MISSED THAT PART. >> WE JUST ONE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP THIS WOULD BE FOCUSED ON. WE JUST SAID WE FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE. BETTER BEST BE SERVE FORD THE COMMUNITY IF WE OPEN TO ALL VOLUNTEERS. IF YOU WANT MOVE FORWARD THAT BECAUSE WE GAVE YOU A DECISION WE JUST DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT. >> MAY I INTERJECT HERE. WE'VE RECENTLY THERE'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SUPPORT BEGIN TO THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT BY NUMEROUS ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS. ONE OF THEM PARTICULARLY IS WITH THE BEACH ACCESSES. AND THE DUNE PLANS. AND THOSE HAVE BEEN HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS OF EXPERTISE AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE YOU KNOW PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSULTING AROUND THE WORLD WHO LIVE HERE. WHO COME IN AND HELP US. WE WITHOUT THEM, WE WOULD HAVE PAYING HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF CONSULTING FEES AND EXPERT FEES AND TO GIVE SOME SORT OF RECOGNITION TO AT LEAST SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WOULD BE AT LEAST APPROPRIATE. IT'S A SMALL TINY AREA. IT'S A GROUP OF TREES. IF YOU WANT TO PUT A ROCK THERE FINE. BUT SOMEHOW ALONG THE WAY THE [01:40:01] PEOPLE WILL WALK AWAY FROM YOU. AND THEY ARE HELPING YOU. PLANT THE OATS. THEY ARE DOING ALL THIS WORK WITH THE TREES AND THE SIMMONS PARK AND FIXING YOU KNOW WHATEVER WAS GOING THE UP YOU WITH ALL THE TREES. THEY HAVE PUT IN TONS OF HOURS AND THEY DON'T STOP. AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO GIVE SOMETHING BACK TO THEM. BECAUSE WE GIVE THEM ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. >> WE'RE SAYING THAT THE ONLY VOLUNTEER THAT EVER DO ANYTHING THAT WORTH ACKNOWLEDGING ARE THESE INDIVIDUALS. >> NO, MICHAEL I'M NOT SAYING THAT. >> I SEE VOLUNTEERS ALL THE TIME THAT WE SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AREN'T MENTIONED HERE. >> I GET IT. I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T. PLANT TREED AND ACKNOWLEDGE SOME PEOPLE. LET'S JUST OPEN TO ALL VOLUNTEERS. >> I AGREE WITH YOU. I KNOW THEY DO. WHAT OWEN YOU BRIT IT TO US AS WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL VOLUNTEERS AT THIS POINT BECAUSE YOU TAKE A PUBLIC PIECE OF LAND SPECIFYING WHAT YOU CAN'T TO DO WITH IT. I DOESN'T INCORPORATE THE PUBLIC. YOU KNOW TO US TO ME IT PARTICULARLY RAISES RED FLAG. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE SIMMONS PARK THING. >> I WANT TO SAY ONE THINGS ABOUT THE VOLUNTEERS. THIS ISLAND WOULD SHOUT DOWN. IF ALL THE VOLUNTEER STOPPED VOLUNTEERING, I MEAN AT THE HOSPITAL, AT THE FOOD PANTRIES. AT THE THEATER, ALL THE HUZ. IF ALL THE VOLUNTEERS THAT COULD GO ON AND ON. STOPPED TODAY THIS ISLAND OUT WITH BE SHUT DOWN. I WOULD LIKE TO HONOR EVERY VOLUNTEER. BUT THEN THE PARK WOULD I DON'T KNOW. WOULD HAVE A MILLION BRICKS. THERE'S BEACH PEOPLE. THERE'S TURTLE PEOPLE. THERE ARE BIKE PEOPLE. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY VOLUNTEERS. I'M SURE YOU KNOW. IT'S -- >> OUR POINT EXACTLY. >> YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT. OKAY. WE GET IT. >> NOT THAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IT. WHAT WE SAID LET'S OPEN TO OTHER VOLUNTEERS NOT JUST THE SP SPECIFICALLY. >> I THINK YOU MAY HAVE MISSED THIS WHILE YOU WERE DISCONNECTED. THE COMMITTEE TALKED ABOUT THEM COMING BACK TO THE BOARD NEXT MONTH IN REGARD TO MORE OF A PROCESS OF ABOUT ADDING MORE VOLUNTEERS. INSTEAD OF JUST WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY HAD SAID. >> BEING MORE VOLUNTEERS ADDED TO. >> AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT MAKES SOME SENSE. BUT THE ISSUE WE HAVE. THIS IS TINY LITTLE AREA. WHERE WE'RE ONLY PUTTING A FEW TREES. WE CAN'T EXPAND THIS BY MUCH AND ADD MORE TREES FOR VOLUNTEERS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THESE WERE FOLKS THAT DONATED TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND SPECIFIC THINGS WITHIN THE ISLAND. WITHIN THE CITY LIMIT. >> IT IS WHAT IT IS. WE EITHER CAN DO THIS OR WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS. I JUST KNOW THEY WORKED HARD. TO PREPARE THIS AND DESIGN THIS AND BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SO MANY VOLUNTEERS. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TREES AND OTHER PARKS WITH LITTLE PLAQUES UNDERNEATH OF THEM THROUGHOUT THE CITY. OR TREES THAT HAVE BEEN PLANTED IN HONOR OF OTHER VOLUNTEERS OR JUST PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY. IT'S KIND OF A BIG PICTURE. AND THEN IS JUST A LITTLE TINY PART OF IT. IT'S REALLY YOUR CHOICE TO SUPPORT IT OR NOT SUPPORT IT. IT'S JUST TREES. WITH PLAQUES WITH A LITTLE BIT OF -- WOULD LIKE TO ADD A PICNIC TABLE IN THERE FOR THE FOLKS THAT PLAY TENNIS AND PICKLE BALL TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SHADE NOW AND THEN. IT'S PRETTY FUNNY OVER THERE. AND JUST BE ABLE TO ENJOY WHAT WE'RE WORKING TREES IN CENTRAL PARK. THESE ARE BASICALLY FREE TREES [01:45:03] THAT WILL BE IN NICE AREA. >> THE BOARD I THINK IS FOR IT. BUT THEY WANT TO OPEN IT UP TO ALL THE VOLUNTEERS. AND I THINK THAT WAS THEIR MAIN CONCERN. >> I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT. WE ONLY HAVE SIX TREES. >> HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST. I MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS COMMITTEE APPROVE THE IDEA OF HAVING A GROVE OF TREES CONTRIBUTED BY ATC USING ONE OF DESIGNS OF FROM POSTED BY ARTHER HERMAN AND THAT THE HAVE A SMALLSTON THAT SHOWS OR SOME WAY OF SHOWING THAT WE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY AMELIA TREE CONSERVANCY DEDICATED THIS PARK TO ALL VOLUNTEERS. AND THEN WE BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE ROLE THEY ATC NOT THAT THEY WANTED RECOGNITION. PUT WE HONOR ALL VOLUNTEERS AND WE HAVE THESE BEAUTIFUL TREES. AM I MISSING ANYTHING? >> THAT'S REALLY SMART. >> THERE'S A MOTION. >> SHE JUST MADE A MOTION. >> I MAKE A MOTION THIS COMMITTEE APPROVE THE GROVE WITH A DESIGN TO BE FINALIZED BY ARTHER HERMAN THAT WOULD BE SIMPLE. THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT THE TREES WERE DONATED BY THE AMELIA TREE CONSERVANCY AND OTHER VARMENTALLEST THE GROVE IN HONOR OF HONOR OF VOLUNTEERS. >> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> DISCUSSION? >> WOULD YOU CALL ROLL. >> ALL RIGHT. DONE. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD CERTAINLY WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A PROPOSAL FOR WHAT YOU HAVE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING. MAYBE YOU SHOULD SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH THE TREE CONSERVANCY AND POSSIBLY WORK OUT THE ISSUE. IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO COME BACK HERE NEXT MONTH AND GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN. SO UNLESS YOU KNOW. YOU CAN REACH SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE, I'M JUST WILLING TO TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA. AT THIS POINT. UNLESS YOU KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION IN WORKING IT OUT BEFORE IT EVER COMES HERE. >> WE COULD TAKE WHAT SOME OF COMMENT MADE TONIGHT AND SEE IF WE COULD NAN I COULD WE WILL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. AND POSSIBLY KEEP YOU UPDATED BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. >> THAT'S FINE. >> OKAY. [10.4 Vehicle Parking on park grass areas during events.] THE NEXT ITEM FOR DISCUSSION IS 10.4. VEHICLE PARKING ON PARK GRASS AREA RS DURING EVENTS. >> WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST MONTH. AND THE MONTH BEFORE THAT. ABOUT WHAT ARE THE COMMITTEE'S THOUGHT ON INCLUDING SPECIAL EVENTS THAT REQUIRE VEHICLE BE PARKED IN THE GRASS AREA ESPECIALLY THIS COMMITTEE OKAY WITH HAVING EVENT IN THE GRASS AREA. WHICH NEVER HAD ANY INCIDENTS. WE HAVEN'T HAD LARGE MAINTENANCE ISSUE WITH VEHICLES PARKING IN THE GRASSY AREA. THE CITY MANAGER WANTED US TO GET APPROVAL FROM THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL. ON THOSE SITES. >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE ARE TWO. EVENT THAT WILL BE PARKED ON THE GRASS. THERE'S MORE THAN TWO. WE HAVE BUGGIES ON THE BEACH. BARBECUES. WE DO HAVE A NEW EVENT COMING THIS YEAR. WE HAVE THE RIGHT BELL FESTIVAL. >> RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO LIMITATION ON IF THERE'S A SPECIAL EVENT THAT'S GOING ON. THERE'S NO LIMITATION THAT SAY [01:50:01] YOU CANNOT HAVE CARS THAT PARK AT MAIN BEACH NOW OR A DIFFERENT PARK FOR THAT MATTER. IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION THE CITY MANAGER WAS ASKING ABOUT. >> OKAY. DO YOU -- DO YOU SUPPORT ALLOWING CARS ON THESE PARKS? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO -- >> IT IS POSSIBLE TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT ARE ON THE GRASS AT MAIN BEACH? >> LIKE FIVE OR SIX A YEAR AND LEAF IT LEAVE IT AT THAT TO GIVE THE GRASS A BREAK. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SET BY THE CITY COMMISSION. >> OKAY. >> THEN I ZRDON'T HAVE A PROBLE >> WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE, I THOUGHT THAT THE WHAT WE ARRIVED WAS YOU COULD NOT PARK ON THE MAIN BEACH LAWN IF IT WAS JUST FOR GENERAL PARKING. FOR PEOPLE GOING TO THE BEACH OR WHATEVER. BUT THAT YOU COULD PARK THERE IF THERE WAS AN EVENT THAT REQUIRED OR HAD TO DO WITH VEHICLES OR LIKE WITH THE BARBECUE THEY NEED TO PARK BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR EQUIPMENT THAT'S PART OF THEIR VEHICLES. AND STUFF. THAT'S TECHNICALLY THE QUESTION. ON SATURDAY YOU CAN'T JUST GO PARK AND GO ON TO THE BEACH. RIGHT. >> BECAUSE THERE'S NO EVENT. >> BECAUSE THERE'S NO EVENT. >> I BELIEVE WHAT IS BEING ASKED IS THAT WHEN THESE EVENT SPECIAL EVENTS ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THE PARKS. IS THERE DIRECTION FROM YOU GUYS THAT YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND THAT THEIR CARS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE PARKED ON THE GRASS DUE TO MAINTENANCE CONCERNS. SAFETY CONCERNS OR WHATEVER YOU KNOW OTHER CONCERNS LIKE THAT. >> RIGHT NOW WITH THE SPECIAL EVENTS COMMITTEE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THERE'S NO LIMITATION ON THAT. >> NO WE HAVEN'T HAD ISSUE WITH IT EITHER. >> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY FIRST QUESTION. WHY IS THIS AN ISSUE? >> EXACTLY. THAT'S JUST ALL OF AGAIN. >> THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. >> I THINK THERE ARE CONCERNS. LIKE COMMISSIONER ROSS WAS SAYING IS MAINTENANCE CONCERNS WITH YOU KNOW WITH THE IRRIGATION. THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP. >> IF WE LIMIT IT TO SIX EVENTS. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM. >> AGREED. HOW MANY EVENTS USE IT NOW? >> LESS THAN SIX. RIGHT? >> LESS THAN SIX. >> IS THIS A REAL ISSUE. >> NO IT'S NOT. >> I'M TRYING TO FIGURE WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS QUESTION. >> CORRECT. >> THERE'S NOT BEEN AN ISSUE EVER WITH EVENT AT MAIN BEACH. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY DAMAGE. IT'S JUST SAND AND WEED. WE GET GREEN FROM THE SUMMER WHEN WE HAVE ALL THE RAIN. THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM DOESN'T RUN. WE DON'T RUN IT. BECAUSE IT'S POINTLESS. IT HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE UNTIL NOW. IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP. WE WANT YOU GUYS TO KIND OF WEIGH IN ON IT. >> WE ASKED YOU GUYS TO WEIGH IN ON THIS. >> I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. >> I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE EITHER. >> I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE. UNLESS MAINTENANCE BECOMES AN ISSUE. I HAVE NO ISSUES. >> THAT WOULD BE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. >> CORRECT. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE KEEP CURRENT STANDARD OF ALLOWING EVENTS ON MAIN BEACH UNLESS UNTIL IT BECOMES A PROBLEM. >> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> COULD YOU CALL THE VOTE? >> THANK YOU, I'M SORRY. EVERYTHING AS IS WITH RESPECT TO PARKING ON MAIN BEACH UNLESS AND UNTIL IT BECOMES A PROBLEM. >> I AGREE WITH THAT. [01:55:06] THANK YOU THE MOTION PASSES. >> NUMBER 11. [11. OTHER BUSINESS] OTHER BUSINESS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS THEY WOULD LIKE TO BRING? >> YES. >> MISS BOYD. HAS OUR RESOLUTION BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION CONCERNING CHANGING THE STATUS OF THIS COMMITTEE? IT'S SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 20TH. >> YES. THANK YOU. >> YES. >> IT'S JUST TAKING ONE WORD OUT THAT WILL MAKE IT -- JUST TO CORRECT IT. >> THAT'S ON THERE. >> FOR THE NEXT AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MONTH CEMETERY FUND. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS THERE A GOAL A FUNDING GOAL FOR THE TRUST FUND. WHAT DO THEY EXPECT IT TO BE IN THE END. DO WE HAVE A TARGET NUMBER? AGAIN YOU SAY TRUST FUND DO YOU MEAN PET PAETIAL FUND. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ESTIMATE WHAT IT WOULD COST EVERY YEAR TO HAVE A COMPANY COME IN AND ACTUALLY TAKE CARE OF IT. WHAT WOULD BE STANDARD OF CARE THAT YOU WOULD WANT? DONE AND SHOOTING FOR THAT. AND IF WE COULD GET YOU KNOW SOME SORT OF TARGET FOR THE PERPETUAL FUND IS THERE A WAY TO HAVE A JOINT WORKSHOP WITH THE FRIENDS OF THE CEMETERY AND ACTUALLY WORK OUT SOME IDEAS OR WAYS THAT YOU KNOW WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH THE COLUMBARIUM AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS WHERE WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME REALISTIC NUMBERS? AND REALLY AIM FOR THAT? BECAUSE I THINK THE CITY COMMISSION WILL WHETHER THEY LIKE TO HEAR THIS OR NOT WILL HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE MORE TO THE CEMETERY THAN THEY'VE BEEN DOING IN THE PAST. AND IF YOU REALLY WANT THIS CEMETERY TO CARRY ITSELF FORWARD IN THE FUTURE, WITHOUT A DRAIN ON THE CITY BUDGET CONTINUALLY, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL SIT DOWN AND TRAY TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT IT. I KNOW IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED OVER AND OVER. IT'S REALLY A SAD THING WHAT CEMETERY. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THING DONE WITH IT. IT'S HARD TO WRAP YOUR HANDS AROUND IT IF YOU DON'T HAVE FACTS AND FIGURES. >> SURE. >> NAN, ARE YOU WORKING WITH THE CITY OR THE CITY MANAGER ON THE PROCESS FOR NAMING A PARK OR RECREATIONAL FACILITIES? >> YES, MA'AM. >> DO YOU WANT US INVOLVED OR I'M HAPPY TO STAY OUT OF THAT. >> I THINK THAT ONE THE CITY MANAGER COMES UP WITH HIS CRITERIA, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO BRING IT TO YOU ALL. SO YOU CAN REVIEW IT AND MAYBE HAVE SOME INPUT. YOU KNOW JUST THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT THE BETTER. ESPECIALLY WITH A LOT OF EXPERIENCES THAT YOU ALL HAVE HAD. ONCE HE GETS -- WHAT HIS IDEAS ARE TOGETHER, I WILL BE HAPPY AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO BRING YOU GUY IN THE LOOP ON THAT. MOST OF THE FACILITIES POINTED OUT BY ONE OF YOU ALL. THEY ARE CITY PARKS OR CITY BUILDINGS. YEAH. >> IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? >> THANK YOU. >> >> ANYBODY ELSE? >> OKAY. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.