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TELLING HER WILL NOT HELP. >> OKAY.
ANGELA ARE YOU HERE? YOU ARE PRESENT?
>> CHAIR, HERE. AND MORRISON IS ABSENT.
SO -- WE WILL GO AHEAD AND SEE -- WE NEAT TO SEAT TAMMI BENJAMIN IS CONFLICTED OUT ON 80% OF THE CASE RATHER HAVING HIM HERE WIELD ASK TESTIMONY TOW SIT IN.
CAN A GET A MOTION AND SESSION TO SIT TAMMI KOSACK?
>> YOU GET THAT. ALL IN FAVOR OF SEATING TAMMI.
I NEVER SEEN ANYBODY LOSE CONTROL OF THE MEETING 2 MINUTES BEFORE. AMAZING.
>> COUNCILLOR, FIRST WE WILL DISCLOSE XHAUNGZS WE GOT I GOT AN E MAIL FROM ALEC AROUNDER TODAY AND I THINK THAT IS -- IT.
>> EVERYBODY GET THAT --. YES.
>> ANYTHING ELSE TO DISCLOSE. JIM?
>> TAMMY SNE I HAD A FEW CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF WITH
SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON CASES. >> THAT'S NOT YOU DON'T HAVE TO
DISCLOSE THAT. >> YEA, YOU DO.
>> REALLY. >> I WILL TELL YOU IN I MINUTE.
>> STAFF -- YOU HAVE COMMUNICATIONS TO DISCLOSE? MR. HARRISON COMMUNICATIONS TO DISCLOSE.
COUNCILLOR WOULD YOU TALK ABOUT QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURES.
AND COMMUNICATION. >> PLEASE, DO.
>> EX PARTE IS LATIN MEANING YOU ARE ONE OF THE PARTIES IS EXCLOUDED PARTYINGS OTHER CITY AND THE APPLICANT.
WHEN WE DISCLOSE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS IF YOU SPOKE TO A NEIGHBOR OR YOU SPOKE TO A CITIZEN OR AFFECTED PARTIES THEY ARE NOT PARTIES TO THE CASE YOU DON'T HAVE TO DISCLOSE THAT.
IT IS FINE YOU DO BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
FOR THE RECORD, THE E MAIL THAT -- AND -- WITH EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS STATE OF FLORIDA LAW ALLOWS TO YOUS PASS AN ORANGES WHICH THE CITY HAS THATMICS EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS NOT PRESUMED PREJUDICIAL, YOU CAN -- ENGAGE IN EX PARTE XHOUNGZ AS LONG AS YOU DISCLOSE IT AND THE SUBSTANCE OF YOUR COMMUNICATION. SO -- YOU CAN SAY, YOU KNOW YOU TALKED TO THE NEIGHBOR. YOU ASKED STAFF QUESTIONS.
>> SO -- WITH REGARD TO, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? KWAZ EYE JUDICIAL HEARINGS FIRST CITY STAFF TELL BE MR. CAMEA AND
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MRS. GIBSON AND WILL MAKE PRESENTATIONS AND DURING THE HEARING APPLICANT WILL BE CALLED UP BY THE CHAIR.APPLICANT OR AGENT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD AS THE CITY DID BEFORE YOU.
THE APPLICANT. AGENT AND THE CITY THEY CAN CROSS EXAMINE EACH OTHER. BOTH CAN CALL WITNESSES AND YOU CAN CROSS EXAMINE WITNESS. IF THERE ARE SPEAKERS IDENTIFY YOURSELF AS AN AFFECTED PARTY MEANING YOU ARE A RESIDENCE DENT OF THE CITY. IDENTIFY YOURSELF, YOUING TAKE AN OATH AT HATIME SHORT LOW AFTER I'M DONE.
AND YOU WILL BE PROVIDING TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? BEFORE I TALK ABOUT APPEALS? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE VARIANCES ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. SO -- MOTION EITHER TO APPROVE OR DENY A CASE REQUIRES THROW VOTES TO PASS.
3 OUT OF 5 VOTING MEMBER. IF THERE IS AN APPEAL TO BE TAKEN OF ANY DECISIONS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL THIS APPEAL IS FILED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
IF THERE IS AN AFFECTED PARTY HERE OR ANYBODY ELSE THIS FEEL THERE IS IS SOMETHING HERE YOU ARE, LUED APPEAL TO THE CIRCUIT COURT. ANY QUESTIONS?
>> ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK RISE AND SWORN IN.
RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFIRM THE ORAL AND WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH.
THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> THANK YOU. >> I DON'T THINK HE UNDERSTANDS
HE MAY WANT TO SPEAK. >> IF WE NEED TO TESTIFY WE SWEAR HIM IN. HE IS SWORN HERE BEFORE.
COUNCILLOR, I DID REMEMBER THAT I HAVES VISITED THE ESTRADA STREET PROPERTY AND GOT I TOUR. IT WAS INTERESTING EMPLOYMENTED
TO DISCLOSE THAT FOR THE RECORD. >> MOVING ON.
>> ARE YOU [INAUDIBLE]. MIKE, YOU ARE ACROSS THE STREET.
>> YEA. >> MIKE HARRISON VISITED THE SHAW PERMANENT ON ESTRADA STREET.
>> I HAVE TO SAY I DIDN'T VISIT BUT OVER THE YEARS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE HOUSE.
DO WE HAVE MINUTES. >> NEXT MEETING.
>> NO PROBLEM. WE'LL BEGIN WITH OLD BUSINESS
[3.1 HDC 2020-0041 - AGATHI POULIASIS, COLE BUILDERS, AGENT FOR JEROME P. + DENICE K. GAINES, 900 WHITE STREET Amendment to previously approved COA for HDC 2020-0008 for revision to garage and chimney. (Quasi-Judicial)]
AND ON THE STRAIGHT HERE -- THIS IS THE GAINS ON YOU.DIRECTOR. WE HEAR CASE HD C20200041900 WHITE STREET WELL SILL REPRESENTATIVE FROM COAL BUILDERS HERE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALITY THE CASE. CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT TO APPROVE SEVERALTY APPROVAL TEMPERATURE IS SEVERAL MINOR CHANGES REQUESTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.
CHANGES ARE TO MODIFY THE REAR ELEVATION OF STRUCTURE TO CHANGE THE FRENCH DOOR TO A SLIDING GLASS DOOR.
TO MODIFY TWO COMPONENTS OF GARAGE. ELEVATION CHANGING A DOOR TO I WINDOW AND THE LEFT ELEVATION TO REMOVE THE DOORS OF THE WINDOWS FOR SECURITY. BASED ON WHERE IT BACKS UP TO ON THE LOT. I CAN PROVIDE DETAILS OF THAT.
AND THE FOURTH CHANGE TO REMOVE THE CHIMNEY ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AS THE APPLICANT WISHES TO GO TO AN ELECTRIC FIRE PLACE. ON THE BACK PORTION OF LOT 12.
AND -- >> THAT PICTURE IS BEFORE SCOTT AND JULIE BUILT TO THE EAST, CORRECT?
THIS IS ARIAL ON FILE. GI WILL SWITCH -- WHAT THEY ARE
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REQUESTING TO CHANGE ON THE REAR ELEVATION AND LEFT ELEVATION OF THE GARAGE STRUCTURE. I'M TRYING TO SEE WHERE THAT SLIDING DOOR IS. MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THIS ABIT MORE. >> SLIDING DOOR LOOKS LIKE IT
IS -- OVER HERE. >> IT IS -- THAT REAR ELEVATION.
ALL OTHER REQUEST TO CHANGES THIS EVENING YOU ARE ASKED TO LOOK AT ARE KWINT CONSISTENT WITH THE INTERIOR STANDARDS AND OLD DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STAFF ISSUES APPROVAL OF THE CHANGES.
QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR GIBSON? >> KELLY, 2 BLOCK IS THIS ON? UM -- I KNOW IT IT IS -- BLOCK 9.
IT DOES IN THE APPEAR ON THE STAFF REPORT.
>> I APOLOGIZE. YOU CALLED ME OUT ON THAT PREACHING, TOO. CAN YOU GO THROUGH THE CHANGES REQUESTED ON THE DRAWING OF THE SITE PLAT.
>> HOUSE REAR ELEVATION CHANGING THE FRENCH DOOR TO A SLIDING GLASS DOOR. THAT IS ON THE REAR ELEVATION?
REMOVING THE WHICH I AM NO ON THE PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE THERE.
THIS IS THE AFTER. THIS IS NOT THE BEFORE?
THE OTHER REQUEST -- IS ON THE GARAGE STRUCTURE.
REMOVING WINDOWS. ON THE REAR.
>> IT SAYS BACKS UP TO A FENCE BUT WELL IS NO FENCE ON THE
>> AND -- THAT'S SOMETHING I WILL LET APPLICANT SPEAK TO WHICH IN TERMS OF QUESTIONED AMENDMENTS THE LEFT ELEVATION, IS IT? IF IS -- THE -- LOOK AT THE -- THE SITE IT -- IT -- BUTTS UP AGAINST THE SOUTH PROPERTY.
WELL IS NOTHING THERE. ASKED WHAT -- MA'AM, GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
UP AGAINST LOT 13. DO YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN.
WHY WE DO IT WOULD BE ONE OF THE FRONT PAGES.
>> HOLD ON A SECOND. >> PULL IT UP QUICK.
IN THAT WAY. WHERE IS THE SITE PLAN? I COULDN'T FIND IT. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE
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ORIGINAL PACKAGE >> PART OF THE ORIGINAL PACKAGE IS THIS IN OUR MATERIALS TONIGHT? DID NOT RECEIVE THE ORIGINAL. JOT SITE PLAN IS NOT IN THERE.
IT F YOU HAVE IT I CAN PULL IT UP.
IF YOU HAVE IT. I DO HAVE IT CAN I SHARE MY SCREEN? I THINK SO.
CAN YOU SEE THAT? THERE YOU GO.
EXCUSE ME. TOP WOULD BE THE SOUTH.
>> YES. LOT 13 UP HERE AND THIS YOUR IS WOOD. WE HAD TWO WINDOWS WELL AND LIKE TO REMOVE THOSE NOT NECESSARY JUST FROM I SECURITY PURPOSES WELL. I DON'T HAVE I PROBLEM WITH THAT. THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THERE IS
NO FENCE THERE. >> IS THERE GOING TO BE A FENCE THERE? I'M SORRY I THOUGHT THERE WAS A FENCE THERE. IT IS OPEN FROM WHITE STREET ALL THE WAY SOUTH. THAT'S OKAY.
JUST -- I DON'T THINK THAT CHANGES.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR GIBSON? -- HEARING NONE WE WILL MOVE ON TO JIM, QUESTION? WE MOVE TO -- MS. POL YAS PREMESIS.
IF YOU COULD IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND GIVE YOUR ADDRESS.
AGATHY POWELLYASIS. FERN DINNA BEACH FLORIDA.
>> THANK YOU Y. DO WOEFUL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HER AT THIS TIME? JIM? NO.
OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO OFFER, THESE ARE MINOR SO --. I SEE MS. DENISE.
WOULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
>> DENISE GAIN. AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
THERE OR HERE >> WELL WHERE YOU LIVE.
>> 110 CONSERVESY DIVE LEFT. TALLAHASSEE, FLORIDA.
ANYTHING TO ADD. THERE IS A FENCE BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES IT IS -- A CHAIN LINKED FENCE THIS IS THERE.
AND OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE FANATIC THIS I AM GOING TO BE LIVING THERE PROIRM LOW BY MOIZ FOR AWHILE UNTIL JEROME RETIRES AND I HAVE A FOREOF COMING IN THAT GARAGE IN THE SIDE WHERE YOU DON'T SEE THE WINDOW ITS IS OBSCURED BY THE STUFF THIS IS
GROWING IN THERE. >> I DON'T THINK THAT WILL BE A PROBLEM. YOU WILL BE OKAY.
REITERATE THERE IS A FENCE THERE.
>> WE UNDERSTAND. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE. I'M GOOD.
>> THANK YOU, WE WILL MOVE TO PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
IS THERE ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK.
>> NO. >> THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE MEETING AND MOVE TO BOARD DISCUSSION. BOARD MEMBERS.
I THINK WE SHOULD APPROVE IT AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PROSECUTE POSE IT. PLEASE, MOVE THAT MR. HARRISON.
CAN YOU PULL UP THE TEXT. -- WE GOT GOOD AT THE ZOOM STUFF. THEN HAY WILL TICK IT, WAY.
>> I NEED TO YOU VIED THE CAPABILITY BACK THROUGH THE WEB NAR. DID YOU GET THIS.
[INAUDIBLE] DO YOU WANT MOW TO MOVE IT I HAVE IT.
YES, THANK YOU. >> I MOVE TO, PROUST HCD, K T.
IT IS INDICATE IT IS KNOW AMENDMENT TO THE PRIOR.
I NOW TO APPROVE CASE 2020-41 WITHOUT CONDITIONS AND MOVE TO
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FINDINGS FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW THAT 2020-041 IS COMPLIANT WITH THE CODE. SECRETARY STANDARDS AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES TO FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.>> I SECOND. >> DISCUSSION? THE FIRST I READ-41 AND THE-IS 041.
IS THAT IRRELEVANT. >> HARRISON.
[4.1 HDC 2020-0023 - CASSIDY SHAW, 107 ESTRADA STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) for the demolition of a non-contributing primary structure. (Quasi-Judicial)]
>> YES. >> 107 ESTRADA STREET.
THIS IS FOR THE DEMO PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THERE IS CONCEPTUAL INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE.
WHO IS HANDLING THIS. >> THERE IS A CONCEPTUAL FOR CONSIDERATION YOU WILL NOT VOTE ON IT TONIGHT.
>> WHO IS REPRESENTATIVES. A LOT OF CAPABILITY.
[LAUGHTER] THE PROSECUTEJECTOR SCREEN.
>> THAT WAS INTERESTING. PRETTY COOL PLACE.
ESTRADA STREET. IT IS -- UNFORTUNATE BUT IT IS COOL. KELLY, I MAY NEED YOUR HELP.
KELLY SAID TO FWROUP IT TOGETHER TEMPERATURE IS IN THE DIFFICULT IT IS A LITTLE ANNOYING BRINGING IT IN AND OUT ON CASES AND --
YOU GOTTA DO IT, OF COURSE. >> CAN TELL A LOT FROM THE
>> COOL. >> ALL RIGHT WE WILL GET BILL UP THERE. WE HAVE.
REPORT ON IT, THEN. >> WAITING ON YOU FOR 10 MINUTES. HD C20-23.
107 ESTRADA STREET. ZONED OT1.
YEAR BUILT 1814. THAT IS A PHOTO OF THE EXTERIOR OF IT. HERE IS THE MAP.
IT IS ON BLOCK TWO LOTS 3 AND 4. THE CASE DOES THE PROPERTY HAS A LONG HISTORY IT HEN A NUMBER OF YEARS STARTING WITH 2012 PREVIOUSLY OWNERS HAD A NUMBER OF COA'S.
FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THIS CASE CAME BACK AND FOURTH TO THE BOARD FOR DEMOLITION AND CHARGEED A REMOVING THE AD ADDITIONS THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING AND THE ADDITIONS. AND IT GOT LAST COA WAS TO DEMOLISH PORTIONS AND REHAB THE ORIGINAL.
THE CURRENT OWNER PURCHASE TODAY WITH THE INTENT TO DOT SAMEFUL REMOVE ADDITIONS AND BECOME BACK AND REHAB IT AS A STRUCTURE FOR
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EYE NEW PRIMARY STRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE BUILT EMPLOYS THEY GOT IN THE STRUCTURE, THEY REALIZED THAT THE -- THE WOOD DESTROYING ORGANISM DAMAGE TO THE BUILDING WAS MORE EXTENSIVE THEN AND THERE SEEN ON THE SURFIST. I VISITED THE SIGHT IN 2018.ONCE THE PANELING WAS REMOVED FROM THE INTERIOR WALL ANDS DID A SITE VISIT AND DETERMINES THAT THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL TERMITE DAMAGE TO THE STRUCTURE NOT A SURFACE LEFT THIS WAS NOT TERMITE DAMAGED. IN THE PAST, WE HAD THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING.
BECOME THEN IN THOSE REPORTS WHEN THEY FOUND WAS THAT EVEN THOUGH THE MASTER SITE DATE ITS TO 1814 WE DON'T HAVE PROVE IT ISSEN 14 FOR THOSE TWO OLDEST ROOMLESS IN THE CENTER OF THE HOUSE. WE KNOW IT IS OLD.
EVEN IF IS NOT 1814 EXACT LOW. AND STAFF DOES AGREE WITH THE ORIGINAL ASSESS AMS OF THE HISTORY OF THE HOME.
IT DOES HAVE -- ONE OF THE NOTE WORTHY FEATURES THE FRONT RAILING ON THE PORCH PEOPLE REALLY LIKE.
OF COURSE IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOME A LATER VICTORIAN ADDITION.
IN STAFF'S OPINION, TO REHAB THAT PROPERTY WOULD NOT BE A TRUE REHAD BEEN IT WOULD CROSS THE LINE TO RECREATION.
THERE WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH FABRIC LEFT OF THE PROPERTY TO CONSIDER IT A HISTORIC STRUCTURE WITH INTEGRITY AND STARCH DID ANALYZE THE REQUEST BASED ON OUR 11 CRITERIA.
AND I'M NOT GOING THROUGH ALL OF THEM I WILL HIT ON A COUPLE IMPORTANT ONES WHICH ARE THAT -- AS I SAID, THE APPLICANT MADE GOOD EFFORTS TO PURSUE ALTERNATIVES TO DEMOLITION.
THIS WAS IN THE THEIR INTENT WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
THAT I WILL WERE GOING TO DO WHAT HAD PROWLS FROM PREVIOUS OWNERS AND FOUND THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.
WHETHER THE APPLICANT DENIED A REASONABLE RETURN, IT WOULD BE A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPERTY HAVE NO HISTORIC VALUE TO RECREATE THE PERMANENT. AND WHETHER THERE IS AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, AGAIN, FORCING A RECREATION OF THE BUILDING DOES NOT SERVE THE OR THE OWNER. WITH THAT, STAFF FINDS THE REQUESTS ACTION AS PRESENTED IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES AND RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF HD C 2020-23 WITH THE CONDITIONS THIS AS BUILT DRAWINGS AND OTHER DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED.
STAFF RECOMMENDING CONTACTS I STATE UNIVERSITY TO CONDUCT A FORENSIC DEMOLITION. I REACHED OUT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. AND THE HEAD OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM. TAKING I LOOK AT THE ECTERYOUR OF THE BUILDING SAID PART OF THE PROJECT WE ARE DOG IN OLD TOWN THAT I WILL MAY LAZE ARE SCAN THAT EXETER YOUR INDIVIDUALALLY TO GET DOCUMENTATION. WE WILL WORK ON THAT AND GET BECOME WITH THE HD C. SECOND CONDITION THE DEMO PERMIT NOT RELEASED UNTIL THE ISSUANCE ON THE NEW STRUCTURE. AND ALL MATERIALS RECYCLED TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE.
>> THANK YOU. WHY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CAMEA.
>> THANK YOU, THAT'S AS USUAL A DETAILS AND HELPFUL ANALYSIS YOU PROVIDED. I PROPOSE TO SUPPORT IN MOTION.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, DOES THE CITY HAVE A LIST OF AT RISK HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND IF SO WAS THIS ON IT.
WHY EVERY YEAR WE DO A LIST OF THE MOST AT RISK STRUCTURES.
THIS IS IN THE ON IT. TESTIMONY HAS APPEAR WE DOT YOUR LOW CODE ENFORCEMENT THE HISTORIC RESOURCE ASSESS AM IT
HEN ON THAT LIST FOR MANY YEARS. >> WHY GO DO YOU THINK IT IT IS NO LONGER THERE IT IT IS BEYOND. YEA WE STOPPED THERE WHEN WE WORKED WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND ROLEIZED IT WAS BEYOND REHAB.
>> SO IN A WAY THE DECISION HAS BEEN TAKEN.
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WHY AND I AM MAKING THE POINT HERE BECAUSE I DID -- GO THROUGH THE PERMANENT WHEN DORA BERNARD WAS LIVE THERING THIS HAS TO GO BECOME 15 YEARS OR MORE, I THINK.AND I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY NOT -- NOT REDEEMABLE AT THAT POINT. BUT SINCE, IT GOT FAR WORSE.
SO I THINK IN THE PERIODS DURING WHICH IT WAS ON THE LIST FOR BEING AT RISK. IT IS DETERIORATED FURTHER.
THE MAIN POINT I'M MAKING HERE IS THIS WE DO NEED TO TAKE STEP ITS TRY TO PRESERVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE AT RISK FROM FURTHER
DESTRUCTION BY THE ELEMENTS. >> AGREED.
I WILL POINT OUT THAT -- THIS OWNER IS IN THE THE OWNER THIS HAD IT WHILE IT WAS ON THE LIST THEY PURCHASED TODAY IN THE LEFT
FEW YEARS. >> OKAY BUT WITH RESPECT, IT IS THE STRUCTURE THIS WE ARE HERE TO PROTECT.
>> PROTECT. NOT THE WHO OWN ITS IS
IRIRRELEVANT UPON, I BEING. >> OTHER QUESTIONS?
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CAMEA. >> QUESTION FOR SAUL.
SURE. >> I COULDN'T UPON HEAR WHEN YOU WERE SAYING WHEN YOU SAID YOU CONTICKETED THE UNIVERSITY OF
FLORIDA AND THEN I LEFT YOU. >> AS PART OF OUR W WE ARE DOG IN OLD TOWN. DOCUMENTING OLD TOWN AND USING LIZ ARE SCANNING TECHNOLOGY TO DOCUMENT THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
PROFESSOR AND THE HEAD OF THE PRESERVATION PROGRAM AND I WALKED THE SITE AND DISCUSSED -- THE POSSIBILITY OF LASER SCANNING THE BUILDING TO DOCUMENT IT AND GETTING THE
DOCUMENTATION DONE HAD WAY. >> I HEARD AT TIMES THIS IS THE OLDEST EXISTING STRUCTURE STANDING THERE.
>> IS THIS RIGHT? AS FAR AS WE KNOW?
>> IF THE DID THEA OF 1810 IS CORRECT THEN YES.
>> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS EITHER?
>> I'M ASKING THE QUESTIONS FOR -- MOVING FORWARD WITH THINGS. THE CONDITIONS YOU HAVE WERE WHAT I HAD IN MY NOTES BEFORE GOING THROUGHOUT STAFF REPORT.
HOW -- ARE THOSE CONDITIONS ENFORCED AND FOLLOWED UP UPON.
>> JOTACE BUILT DRAWINGS AND PHOTOS WE WOULD HOLD THE COA UNTIL I DON'T RECEIVED THOSE. AS FAR AS THE DEMO PER NIT NOT BEING RELEASED UNTIL THE ISSUANCE OF THE BUILDING PERMIT.
WE WOULD ISSUE THE COA. BUT NOT SIGN OFF ON A DEMO PERMIT UNTIL THE CONSTRUCTION PERMIT CAME THROUGH FOR THE NEW PROPERTY. SALVAGING IS HARDER TO ENFERS WORE TAKING IT ON GOOD FAITH THEY WILL DOT BEST THEY CAN TO
RECYCLE AND REUSE WHEN THEY GOT. >> I GUESS MY LEFT THING, I HAVE NO DOWN THE WHERE THE OWNERS THEY WILL SALVAGE AND RECYCLE EVERYTHING IMAGINABLE BUT FOR THE PROSPECIFIC MOVING FORWARD WITH OTHER BUILDINGS WE ARE LOSING EITHER TO DEMO OR REHAB -- REMODELING. IT IS IMPORTANT IT GET THIS BUILD DOCUMENTED WELL. FILM OR DIGITALLY AND HAVE SOME GOOD RECORD OF THIS BUILDING BUZZ ONCE IT IS GONE IT IS GONE BUT -- THAT'S MY COMMENTS I DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THIS CASE Y. ONE WAY TO HANDLE THAT MY RECOMMENDATION THE BOARD RECOMMEND THEY COME BECOME FOR A FINAL REPORT A PROGRESS REPORT TO TALK ABOUT WHEN WAS FOUND AND HOW THEY DEMOLISH EXCLUDE RECYCLE TODAY. WE HAVE DHAN WITH OTHER STRUCTURES. THAT I WILL WERE ABLE TO TELL WHEN YOU SAY THEY LEARNED ABOUT THE BUILDING THROUGH THE
PROCESS. >> AND YOU KNOW WHEN, MAY BEEEN MOVING FORWARD SOMETHING WE THINK ABOUT IF WE ARE TAKING THIS SOURCE LOW ON DELICATE BUILDINGS, IF A DEMO IS GUARANTEED AND TIED TO THE BUILDING PERIMISM PERHAPS THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT REQUIRE CERTAIN TYPE OF DEMOLITION AND NOT THE CLAW COMING IN YOU KNOW LIKE IN MY HUSBAND WE FOUND PROSPECTGANDA FROM CAM PINS AND NOTE THING THIS IS YOU WOULD LES
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IF YOU BRING THE CLAW AND KNOCK IT DOWN.THIS IS SOMETHING TO THINK OF GOING FORWARD.
>> I AM READING INTO THE TERM FORENSIC DECONSTRUCTION.
THE THING THIS TAMMI IS ASKING FOR.
IF A BACK HOE IS NOT TAKEN BUT 10 DOWN A PLANK AT A TIME.
IS THAT THE UNDERSTANDING OF YOU AND THE CITY? YES THIS IS WOULD BE FORENSIC DECONSTRUCTION.
>> MS. CONWAY, QUESTIONS. >> A QUICK QUESTION FOR SAUL.
DO YOU HAVE A DESCRIPTIVE LIST OF WHEN THE AS BUILT DRAWINGS WHEN ARE THEY. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO LOOK FOR
IN A SET OF THOSE? >> WE DON'T RECOMMEND PUT THANKSGIVING IN THE MOTION EXACT LOW WHEN WE WANT TO STEEL IN THE DRAWINGS. I EXPECT A FULL 4 ELEVATIONS AND FLOOR PLAN AND FETTOSE IT DOCUMENT SUPPLEMENT THE DOCUMENTATION VMENT YOM MR. CAMEA.
>> IF I CAN INTERJECT. WHEN THE PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF ESTRADA AND [INAUDIBLE] STREET DECONSTRUCTED 10 YEARS BACK. FROM MEMORY, OF THE THINGS THEY FOUND THE SHAPE OF THE NAILS AND THE NAIL HEADS.
THE MARKS FROM SOARS WHETHER BAND SAUCE OR PIT SAWS OR SERBING CIRCULAR SAWS THE LOWER STORY WAS OLDER THAN THE UPPER STORY, LUED THEM TO CONCLOUD THE LUMBER WAS SALVAGE SAID.
AND THAT I WILL ALSO FOUND INTERESTING JOINTING.
WILL OF THE IF TEMPLETS. THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF DETILL HAD NODE TO BE CAPTURES. IN THE AS BUILT DRAWINGS NOT SIMPLY ELEVATIONS. THOSE ARE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS.
YOU WILL FIND THIS IN THIS PERMANENT IT WOULD IN THE SHOWUM IN THE DRUINGS BUT DAUMENT DO YOU MEAN IN THE WRITTEN REPORT
>> SAUL. I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING HERE IS CONSENSUS TO SUPPORT THE DEMO WITH I LONG LIST OF CONDITIONS.
AND ONE CONDITIONS THIS CONCERNS ME IS AM WE DEFIND A PRESS THAT GETS ALL THE BOXES CHECKED. AND I DON'T HAVE HAD ACCOMPLICE IN HISTORY THE BUILDING AND PLANNING DID NOT TALK AND THINGS HAPPEN EXCLUDE WE DID NOT GET OUR BOK CHECKS.
THAT IS NOT CRITICISM IT IS TRYING TO LAY THE GROUND WORK FOR WHEN WE WILL DO TONIGHT IN OUR MOTION THAT PUTS THE TOOL IN YOUR HANDS WE WILL GET THE OUTCOME THIS WEMENT.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH IN? >> YEA.
>> SO FOR EXAMPLE I WILL ASK YOU ABOUT THE DEMO PERMIT.
UM -- IF I WANTED TO ASSURE THAT THE DEMO WAS DONE IN THE FORENSIC METHODOLOGY YOU LAID OUT I WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE ME A DEMO PLAN THAT CHECKED ALL MY BOX.
CAN WE PUT IN IN THE MOTION? >> YES.
ARE THERE OTHER ELEMENTS WE WANT IN THE MOTION THAT WILL GIVE YOU
WHEN YOU NEED. >> I MET MR. SHAW.
I'M WITH YOU TAMMI THIS GUY WILL DO IT RIGHT.
I'M NOT WORRIED BUT BEGIN RECENT DISCONTINUITIES, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET OUT WHEN WE INTEND TO GET OUT.
I HEARD A NUMBER OF THINGS. DOCUMENTATIONS.
FORENSIC DEMO WITH EXPERT ADVICE.
WE WILL GIVE A DEMO APPROVAL BUT NO DEMO OR DEMO WILL BE PROVIDED UNTIL THERE IS A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE REPLACEMENT.
SO THIS MOTION WILL NEED TO BE CAREFULLY CRAFTED.
I WOULD ARGUE FOR A DEMOLITION PLAN TO BE SUBMITTED BY
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APPLICANTS BEFORE WE GET ANY FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.BY THE WIL. CAN WE REQUIRE THEM TOM COME BACK AND IF SO WHAT WOULD TRIP THAT TRIGGER.
>> YOU CAN REQUIRE THEM TO COME BACK.
YOU CAN ALSO WILL OUR PROCESSES HAVE CHANGED SINCE WE HAD THE OTHER ISSUES. EVERYBODY KNOWS.
WHCHL THIS COME FOR I DEMO PERMIT, TELL COME TO ME FIRST.
OUR COMPUTER SYSTEM WILL IN THE ALLOW IT TO MOVE TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT UNTIL COME THROUGH ME AND FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE WE LOCKED AT IT AND SAID. WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE ASKED FOR IN THE COA. COOL.
I KNOW YOU DID THIS. INCLUDE THE DEMO PLAN.
WE CAN DO THAT THE AT COA LEVEL OR STAFF LEVEL.
OR WE CAN REQUIRE THAT BE PUT IN BEFORE THE PERMIT.
>> WE WILL BRING MR. CONNER UP IN A MINUTE AND WE WILL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. BOARD MEMBERS THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT THIS DEMO PLAN APPROVED BY YOU OR BY STAFF.
BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO BE THE CONDITIONS THIS WILL COME FORWARD. I'M RELUCTANT TO BRING BECOME TO YOUS ESPECIALLY WHEN THE EXPERTS ARE AT THE OTHER END OF THE TABLE ANYWAY. THINK ABOUT THAT A BIT.
>> WILL I CAN UNDERSTAND THE REASON THAT -- WE WANT TO PUT IN THE CONDITION THE BUILDING PERMIT FOR REPLACEMENT MUST HAVE BEEN ISSUED BEFORE WE START THE DEMOLITION.
IT SO MANIES TO ME, THAT ACTION IS PUTTINGEF WILL PRESSURE ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS. TO COMPLETE IT QUICK LOW SO THEY CAN START THEIR CONSTRUCTION. WHY YOUMIC A GOOD POINT, MOTORCYCLE UMP DON'T WANT TO WORK ACROSS PURPOSES WITH YOURSELF. WHAT YOU ARE WILL SAYING.
WELL LET'S -- LOSE 3 ON THE TABLE AND ASK MR. CONNOR TO COME OUT AND TALK TO US A BIT ABOUT OUR PROCESS AND HOW WE GET WHERE WE WANT TO GET Y. JOHN CONNOR 1627 ATLANTA OFF.
REPORT SUSPECT WELL DONE. I LOCKED AT THIS PLACE TWO YEARS AGO IT WAS IN SAD DISARRAY THEN. I THINK LODGIST.
PEOPLE YOU HAVE A STRUCTURE THAT IS A PUBLIC HAZZARD.
MOST ACCOMPLICES THAT WOULD BEING CONDEMND AND TAKEN DOWN IT IS A SAFETY HAZZARD TO KIDS OR ANYBODY THIS WANDERED IN THERE.
HOMELESS PEOPLE TEMPERATURE IT IS A PROBLEM FOR THE COMMUNITY.
2, IS IF YOU ARE GOING TO CAUSE THEM TO GO THROUGH A FORENSIC DEMOLITION. REASON IS WHATEVER IS SALVAGED GETS REPURPOSED. IF YOU ARE DESIGNED THE HOUSE, OWNING THE LOT NEXT DOOR, YOU DON'T -- YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GOT. WE KNOW WE GOT BRICKS, MAY HAVE TIMBERS BUT THERE AREARC CENT PIECE WE CAN TAKE THE HISTORY OUT OF THE OLD BUILD ANDING PUT IT IN THE NEW BUILDING IF WE KNOW WITH WE GOT. I THINK THE WAY TO GO IS DEMO CAREFULLY FRENZICALLY, SALVE KNOWLEDGE WHAT YOU CAN.
YOU KNOW WHEN YOU GOT AND REPURPOSE TYPESET AND CREDIT A STAGING YOUR FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
YOM THAT MAKES STONES ME. I CAN'T DO DRAWINGOS BUILDING MATERIALS IF I DEN KNOW. YOM YES.
I GOT THAT. QUESTIONS? . YOUR CLINEERS KWFRL CLIENTS? THEY WANT TO SALVAGE EVERYTHING THEY CAN THEY TINLDED SALVAGE THE WHOLE STRUCTURE. IT IS JUST NOT THERE.
>> I HEAR WHAT JOHN IS SAYING AND I AGREE WITH HIM BUT THERE IS MORE TO BE OBTAIN FROM THE DEMOLITION.
THEN AND THERE SIMPLE LOW REUSABLE MATERIAL.
WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF LEARNING HOW IT WAS PUT TOGETHER. AND PERHAPS WHY IT WAS PUT TOGETHER AND THE WILIT WAS PUT TOGETHER.
I UNDERSTAND THAT. THIS IS PART OF THE FORENSIC
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DOCUMENTATION. WLM PHOTOGRAPHS OR DRAWINGS.. SUP ELEMENT THE PLANS AND ELVISIONS YOU DOCUMENT AS GU. CAN WE ASK SAUL WHY THE DEMOLITION IS TIED TO THE PLAN FOR WILL NEW CONSTRUCTION? FOR THE SEOUL REASON OF GIVING THEM MORE TIME BETWEEN THE TW.
IF THEY CAN DO THE FORENSIC DEMOLITION THE END GOAL SELL THIS REPORT. DOES IN THE HAVE TO BE TIDE TO THE DEMOLITION IF THE REPORT CAN BE DONE BEFORE AND GET EVERYTHING WE NEED I'M OKAY WITH NOT HOLDING THE DEMO PERMIT.
>> IN OTHER CASE. >> I'M SORRY, SAUL.
DON'T WE HAVE TO COMPLETE THE DEMOLITION BEFORE WOEFUL LEARNED EVERYTHING WE CAN? YEA.
. SO THAT'S I THINK WHAT I'M SAYING WE DON'T HAVE TO HOLD THE BUILDING PER NOTICE WAIT ON THE DEMOLITION. IF THE DEMOLITION IS DONE PROPER LOW WE GET THE REPORT WORST LOOKING FOR THAT I WILL CAN MOVE ON AND WE CAN RELEASE PERMITS BEFORE THIS.
>> SOCIETY ISSUE FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT IS DEPENDENT ON
THE REPORT OF DECONSTRUCTION? >> YEA
THE DEMOLITION CAN OCCUR PRIOR TO THE APPLICANT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. JOY THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
>> THAT STATUTE HOLE IT GET THE DOCUMENTATION IN OTHER CASE ITS IS MORE IMPORTANT TO OLD UNTIL THE BUILDING PERMIT WE DON'TMENT LETS TO SIT EMPTY AND GIVES THE BUILDING A CHANCE TO BE SOLD OR RELOCATED OR MORE WORK TO BE DONE INFORM THIS CASE WE DON'T HAVE OPTIONLESS. I WILL WILL GOTS REASON IN THE PAST WE WANTED THE BUILDING PERMITS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION WE DID NOT WANT TO CREATE HOLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WESTERLY DEMOS WERE DONE THIS WAS I PROBLEM IN THE 70S IT IS LESS OF A PROBLEM NOW THAT WE ARE POPULAR PLACE TO LIVE.
Y OKAY. SO -- I THANK YOU IS KNOW IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE WE HAVE TO MAKE CLEAR INFORM THIS CASE, JOHN SAID THIS BUILDING IS SHOT. YOU KNOW TEMPERATURE IS GONE.
BUT IN OTHER CASE ZEE WILL ISSUED A DEMO PERMIT.
AND THEN BECAUSE OF ECONOMIC CONSCIENCE THE OWNER SDIESD, OOPS I CAN'T BUILD. WE HAD A GREAT HOUSE A COUPLE THAT ARE GONE HACOULD REHABBED. DOES NOT APPLY IN THIS CASE
>>IR MAKE PUBLIC POLICY TELLS IS WELL NOTED THAT IS HELPFUL.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JOHN. I WILL CUT HIM LOSE.
WE WORK ON MOTIONS HERE AND CALL YOU BACK UP TO MAKE SURE IT GETS EVERYBODY IN THE ROM. HAPPY WOMAN WHERE WE WANT TO BE.
I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC MOTING ANYONE HERE OR PUBLICY OR ON THE LINE THAT WANTS TO TESTIFY CASE 2020-0023.
THANK YOU. WE HAVE MRS. SHAW ON THE LINE.
>> WONDERFUL. MS. CASSIDY SHAW.
I'M ON THE LINE. >> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
RHONDA SHAW AT 1011 SOUTH FLETCHER AVENUE IN FERNANDINA BEACH. GREAT.
ANY COMMENTS? NO , I MEAN AS EVERYBODY STATED WE FULLY INTENDED MAY BE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW OUR HISTORY BUT YEARS AGO WE MOVED AND REFURBISHED I HUSBAND ON WHITE AND A COMBLIL AND OWNED ANOTHER ONE I SOLD TO SOMEONE OUR INTENTION WAS TO DOT SAME THING WITH THIS HOUSE AND IT WAS I GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT WHEN SAUL TOLD US WE CAN TAKE OFF THE PORCHES THAT WERE NOT CONTRIBUTES AND THE THING CAME APART YOU COULD LIT IRRELEVANT THE TERMITE DAMAGE IS UP TO THE EDGE OF EVERY BOARD.
WE REALLY, REALLY TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WAYS AROUND T. HE SAID. IT WOULD HAVE, TELL BE ALMOST 90% NEW. WE'RE OKAY WITH SALVAGES AS MUCH
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AS WEIGH CAN WE WANT TO DO ALL THE OLD BRICK AND TIMBERS IN THE ATTIC WILL BE OKAY WE DON'T WANT TOP PUT TERMOTIVE INFESTED WOLD IN THE NEW HOUSE WE SALVAGE WHEN WE CAN THAT WOULD BE AM WHAT ISSOUNDSES GOOD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
. ANYBODY ELSE, IF NOT WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE TO BOARD DISCUSSION.
SAUL, I WONDER IF YOU CAN HELP ME THINK THROUGH WHAT -- THE ORDER OF THINGS SHOULD BE AND WHEN A MOTION MIGHT LOOK LIKE SO WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. CONDITION ONE ABOUT THE DRAWINGS WHAT IS IT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR IN THE DOCUMENTATION.
SOUNDS LIKE GETTING RID OF THE SECOND ONE? AND THEN E WILL BE RITTING MORE ABOUT HOW -- FOR NUMBER 3 MATERIALS TO BE SALVAGED OR RECYCLED WHAT THE BOARD WILLMENT TO SEE IF THIS IS A REPORT OR COMING BECOME AND SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE FOUND. AS WE HAVE DONE WITH THE OTHER CASES. WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WHAT DO YOU SNNG WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE.
I'M A PROPONENT WE GET SOMEBODY TO PRESENT TO US WHAT WAS DONE AND FOUND. I THINK IT IS A GOOD LEARNING
TOOL FOR EVERYBODY. >> IF THAT WAS OLD ACCIDENT STHA DO IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
CORRECT AND SUBMIT IT OF THE AS PART OF THE PRESS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. WOAD NOT NECESSARILY HOLD THEM TO THAT. I LIKE TOP BOUNCE A FEW THINGS.
TALK ABOUT THE MOTION BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION.
IS THIS OKAY WITH EVERYBODY. >> I KNOW MR. HARRISON MENTIONED THE WELL IS A DIFFERENT HOUSE DEMOED SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. AND WILL I REMEMBER I HAD DONE THE DRAWINGS FOR THAT HOUSE TO THE HTC.
WE PRESENTED SCALED FLOOR PLAN, SCALED EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS AND ALSO THERE WERE INTERESTING DETAILS IN HOW THE CEILING HAD FALLEN IN AND WE COULD BENCH THE WILTHE ROOF TRUSSES WERE ASEMBLED. FIELD BUILT AND INTERESTING.
WE PROVIDES DRAWINGS AND PHOTOS OF RESPONSIVEFUL DETAILING THAT EXISTED WITHIN THE STRUCTURE. I WOULD PROPOSE THE DRAWINGS PROVIDE SCALED FLOOR PLANS ECTERYOUR ELEVATIONS AND ANY KIBE OF INTERESTING OR PERIOD SPECIFIC DETAILING THAT COULD FEASIBLY BE DOCUMENTED WHETHER PHOTOGRAPHIC OR ANOTHER00 DRAWING WISE. SHOULD BE SUPPLIED AS PART OF THE PACKET AS BUILT DRAWING THE DEMOLITION PLAN -- I WOULD BE OKAY WITH -- THAT BEING PERSONALITYED SAUL AND SAUL RENDERING A JUDGMENT WHETHER IT IS SATISFY OR NOT.
AS A BOARD MEMBER I WOULD LIKE TO DEMOLITION PLAN DESCRIBE THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE FOR DISMANUALING THIS HOUSE AND HOW THIS FORENSIC DEMOLITION WOULD BE DONE AS FAR AS SALVAGING THE MATERIAL ANDS DOCUMENTING ANY SPECIAL ELEMENTS OF THE HOUSE.
THAT ARE WERE ANYTHING TO INDICATE HISTORY OR GIVES A NOD TOWARD MR. HARRISON IS SAYING IDENTIFY TIME PERIODS BY THE WAY THE NAILS ARE CONSTRUCTED OR BUILT OR HAND FORGED.
THERE ARE LOTS OF THING THIS IS IN THEREUPON IS HELP US UNDERSTAND WHEN IS THE UPON AGE OF THE BUILDING.
>> AND BOARD MEMBERS DOES THIS SOUND LIKE WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE
TO LANDOM THIS CASE. >> THOSE ARE GOOD POINTS AND WHEN WE DO THE DOCUMENTATION THE PHOTOS AND ET CETERA, WHERE IS HAD STORE SND AND ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC IN A MUSEUM OR A PLANNING FILE WILL OTHER CASE WHEN WE HAVE DONE.
WHAT WILL WE HAVE DONE WHEN WE HAVE THE REPORTS WE SUBMITTED TO
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THE MUSEUM TOM GO AND THEY HAVE FILES ON INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.AND IT WOULD GO TO THAT HOUSE ADDRESS FILE.
OKAY. YOU THINK THIS IT IS IMPORTANT.
>> I HAVE BEEN NUMBER THAT SDPIEL IT IS AVAILABLE AND USEFUL. THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION. SO WHAT I'M HEARING HERE --
ACTUAL LOW HE IS ON THE CALL >> BENJAMIN IS ON THE CALL.
H IS PRESENT FOR THE MEETING EMTONIGHT HE IS ABSTAINING.
I OF HAVE A QUESTION. MS. CONWAY, PLEASE.
IS THERE A WAVE USING FORENSIC DEMOLITION AS A TERM OF ART AND DEFINING IT OURSELVES. I THINK -- SO THAT WE CAN SAY FORENSIC DEMOLITION AND INCLUDE ALL THESE ASPECTS YOU HAVE BEEN
OTHERWISE THE MOTION WILL BE UNWIELDY ISN'T IT.
WHY YEA. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING WHY CAN'T WE DEFINE HAD AS A TERM OF OURS AND ASK SAUL TO BE THE ARBITTER WHETHER IT IT IS SUBMITTED SUFFICIENT.
IL ASK MR. PAZZETA TO MAKE A MOTION.
I WILL GIVE IT A SHOT. I MOVE TO APPROVE HD C CASE 2020-0023-WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS; THAT AS BUILT DRAWINGS AND DOCUMENTATION BE PROVIDED FOR STAFF APPROVAL AND THAT A DEMOLITION PLAN DESCRIBING THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE FOR COMPLETING A FORENSIC DEMOLITION AND SALVAGING AND DOCUMENTING MATERIALS BE FOR STAFF APPROVAL AND I MOVE THAT THE HD C MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LUPART OF THE RECORD.
THAT HD C CASE 2020-0023 AS PRESENTED IS COMMROINT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE OLD TOWN FERNANDINA BEACH PRESERVATION AND DEVELOPING GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> HARRISON SECT. >> SECOND IT BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IT. JOOF MR. HARRISON.
I DON'T THINK WE COVERED THE FANATIC THAT THE DEMOLITION HAD TO BE COMPLETED SATISFACTORILY BEFORE THE BUILDING PERMIT WAS
ISSUED. >> MY ARGUMENT TO THAT SINCE WE ARE SITTING THERE WE CANMIC THAT DECISION.
AM AM WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT IN THE MOTION YOU WILL NOT CONSIDER THE BUILDING PERMIT UNTIL YOU GOT WHEN YOU WANT.
IS THIS FAIR. AS LONG AS THEY MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COA. IF THERE IS SOMETHING SPECIFIC
AT THE TIME OF EVERYTHING. >> IN OTHER WORDS.
IT IS -- THEY ARE NOT GOING TO. ALL RIGHT.
OTHER COMMENTS. UM -- WITH THE UPON UNDERSTANDING THIS WHEN WE SAY FORENSIC SOMEONE FROM THE UNIVERSALITY BE INVOLVED. WE NOT PUT IT IN MOTION BUT I WANT TO SEE SOMEBODY FROM FLORIDA OR FLORIDA STATE OR SOMEBODY UP HERE BEING A PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
TILLSON IS ALREADY ON THE JOB. FOR THE EXTERIOR RULE WE CAN GET
INTERIOR. YOU ARE COMFORTABLE REVIEWING THE FORENSIC DEMO PLAN? YES.
>> OKAY I'M COOL. WILL ANYBODY ELSE IF NOT A MOTION TO SECOND AND CALL THE RULE.
JURY ROOM MEMBER CAN WAY? >> YES.
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THIS -- THE EVALUATION OF THIS PROPERTY WOULD FIT WELL WITH THE SENIOR THESEIS OF SOME SORT OR A DOCKETORAL CANDIDATE AT THEI WAS THINK THANKSGIVING, TOO. PERHAPS BILL HAS CONTACT THERE IS. WE DID DISCUSS THAT NOUGHT STUDENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED DO THE SITE WORK.
THEY WERE DOING PROJECTS IN THE FIELD.
[4.2 HDC 2020-0034 - JOHN COTNER, COTNER & ASSOCIATES, AGENT FOR MARILYN C. LEIBMAN, LOTS 2 + 3 + 4 BLOCK 8, N. 2ND STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) for Conceptual review for two (2) 3-story single family dwellings on three (3) 25' lots of record. (Quasi-Judicial)]
THE UPON GOVERNOR AN E MAIL. 2020-VERY 0 THERE ARE.AM I THE RIGHT ONE. THANK YOU.
>> THIS IS THE SITE PLAN OR THE ARIAL HERE.
WHPAN LIKEWISING THIS STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSE THE TRUSHTHS ARE COMMROINT WITH THE GUIDELINES AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL. STAFF REQUESTED ACTION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOP AM CODE.
AD COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF HD C2020-34.
>> THANK YOU. WHY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CAMEA?
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR SAUL. >> CAN YOU -- DESCRIBE FOR US HOW -- YOU THE SHARED DRIVEWAY I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW THE EASE AM WOULD WORK ON THAT. PULL UPON THE SITE PLAN FOR YOU.
SO, YES, THERE ARE 3 UNDERLOYALING LOTS RECORD THERE.
UM -- I BELIEVE THE INTENT AND I WILL SELL THEM FEES SIMPLE.
AND ESSENTIAL LOAF BE ON TWO SPRIT LOTS THEY ARE COMPRISED OF
WITHIN AND A HALF LOT EACH >> THAT REQUIRES A SUBDIVISION.
>> WHICH LOTS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, SAUL.
>> LOT NUMBER? 2, 3 AND 4:2 -- THANK YOU.
SOMEBODY'S BATTERY. THERE WE GO.
>> DID WE GET TAMMI'S QUESTION. ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THAT
ANSWER. >> UM -- I DON'T I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND IF THERE IS BEING SOLD OR SIMPLE.
DOES THIS MONEY WE ARE SOLD AS TWO INDIVIDUAL UNITS.
>> CORRECT. >> AND THAT -- SO WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE OWNERS BUT ONE -- PROPERTY? NO, SOLD TELL BE TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES.
THERE WILL BE TW AND COMPRISED OF 1 AND A HALF LOTS EACH.
-- [INAUDIBLE]. I'M SORRY WHAT WAS THIS?
>> THAT'S NOT A SUBDIVISION? >> NO.
>> BECAUSE. I WILL LET MS. GIBSON SPEAK TEMPERATURE IS THE NUMBER. DIRECTOR.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. PROPERTY AS IT EXISTS TODAY AS I UNDERSTAND IT THERE ARE 3 UNDERLOYALING PLOTTED LOTS OF RECORD AT THE END IN THE QUESTION IN THE UNDER CONSIDERATION IS TO HAVE TWO MOTORS LOTS.
WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THAT YOU DO I MINOR SUBDIVISION REQUEST IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH EACH OF THE PROPERTY LINES AND AS PART OF
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THAT -- YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SHARED DRIVEWAY WHICH HAVE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS ON EACH OF THE TWO PERMANENT PERMANENT PROPERTIES. EACH IS 1-1/2 OF THE UNDER LYING>> DOES THAT SATISFY YOU, TAMMI? >> THIS IS THE TAX 1 AND A HALF LOTS THEYVILLE I THEN AND A HALF FOOT LOT AND THEN THEY EACH SIGN A HALF A DRIVEWAY EASEMENT TO THE OTHER FOR USE.
I THINK I'M SEEING. THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN EASE AM FOR I SHARED DRIFF OVER THE TWO PROPERTIES.
YES. >> THEY WOULD OWN THE 1 ENVELOPE LOTS EACH. OKAY.
SO. MY NEXT QUESTION, WHO OWNS THESE LOT? WILL MARYLAND.
>> SHE HAS SOLD IT. >> ARTISAN HOMES OWNS THE LOTS
>> THAT'S WHAT CORN FUSED ME WHEN I LOCKED THEM IT IS OTHER SAN WHEN DID THE HASHER CONDOS. I WAS NOT SUBURBAN WHY MARYLAND WAS APPLYING FOR THAT IF THEY ARE THE OWNERS?
>> WE WILL GET AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
>> SO, AS FAR AS THIS COUNCIL IS CONCERNED, ARE WE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER A THE DESIGN. AND B, THE COMBINING OF 3 LOTS
TO 2? >> NOTE CHINK INSPECT LET CONFIGURATION THROUGH A MINOR SUBDIVISION.
WHICH IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. WHP IS BEFORE THE BOARD TODAY IS THE DESIGN OF THE TWO HOMES OF WILL BUT YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU CAN CHANGE THE LOT CONFIGURATION AS A START BACK? AN ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION, YES , SIR.
AND ONLY -- IS THIS DISCUSSION. OKAY.
>> DIRECTOR? SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
ONLY TIME THAT CAN BE HANDLED AT A STAFF LEVEL WHEN YOU GO FROM ONE LOT TO 2 LOTS THAT I WILL ARE CREDITING TWO LOTSEEN THOUGH THE PERSONALITY TIME 3 UNDER LOYALING LOTS OF RECORD.
SO -- YOUR POWER IS LIMITED. YES.
IF IS GOES TO 3 OR MORE LOTS. GOTCHA.
>> ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. KAMALA.
WE TALKED ABOUT TRIES YOU AND I. IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVER HEAD THERE ARE I COUPLE OF LEARNING TREES NOT SHOWING ON THE SITE PLAN. ON THE SOUTH -- WESTISH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. DID MR. HOLLY TAKEOW A DRIVEWAY
>> THOSE TREES RIGHT THERE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORN ARE THEY WERE NOT ON THE SITE PLAN. SO -- I HAPPEN TO KNOW WHEN I WAS UP THERE DOING THE SITE VISIT THE TREES ARE THERE BUT IN THE ON THE PLAN. I UPON WONDER WHEN THEY WERE AND I ASKED MR. HOLLY TO DO A DRIVE BY AND HE DID A REPORT.
THANK YOU. SO -- HE DID OYST TREES AT LAUREL OAKS. A 20 INCH DIAMETER.
AM DID SAY THERE IS A WEAK ATTACHMENT IN THE TREE AND DECAY BETWEEN THE STEMS. AND GOES ON TO REPORT ABOUT THE CANOPY. CAN EVERYBODY SEE THIS?
I CAN PULL IT UP >> IT KEEPS MOVING AROUND.
OKAY. CAN YOU READ THIS OUT FOR US.
>> SURE. >> IT SAYS TWO OVER SIZED LAUREL OAK STEMS 20 INCHES IN DIAMETER INCLUDED BETWEEN THEM FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE TROLL TO 4 FEET UP.
ONE TREE FORKED AT THE BASIS AND HAS DECAY BETWEEN THE STEM THE
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STEM AT THIS TIME NORTH IS VERTICAL AND LEFT LANING AWAY TO THE OTHER STEM TOWARD THE SOUTH THE TROLL APPEARS SOLID THE CANOPY ARE HEAVY AND OVER EXTENDD AND SOME TYPE OF FAILIRE IN THE NEXT 10IOSE THE TREE CAN BE MADE SAFE IT THERE WERE PRUNING ALL MAJOR BRANCHS NEAR TIPS MAKING 2 TO SICK INCH CUTS ON AVERAGE. REEVALUATED IN 15 YEARS.I GUESS THE LAUREL OAKS ARE 60 TO 80 YEARS OLD AND REACHING THE END OF THEIR LIFE SUBPOENA GO AHEAD HAVE 20 YEARS OR 40 AT THE MOST. SEE ATTACHED DAY GRAM FOR AN UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM RECOMMENDING
>> THANKS FOR DOING THAT WORK. THANKS MR. HOLLY IT IS APPRECIATED. IF NO FURTHER QUESTIONS I WILL
ASK MR. CONTORY COME UP. >> CONNER LON AVENUE THIS IS A CONCEMENT AT THIS POINT. SAUL DID I GOOD JOB ON EXPLAINING IT. IT IS 3 LETS OF RECOVERIED.
25 DE FEO A POS AND WE HAVE MANY PERMANENTS IN THAT THROUGH THE THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE BORN OF MULTIPLE LOTS.
YOU CAN TAKE A HANDFUL OF ONE DP WHOLE OF THE OTHER AND COME COMBINE THEM TEMPERATURE IT IS A MINOR SUBDIING VISION MODIFICATION. LEGAL LOW THIS IS IN THE I BIG ISSUE. 2400 SQUARE FOOT UNITS.
5 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES.
BUILDING NEXT DOOR WILL NOW THERE IS A 10 FOOT AREA NEAR LIGHT AND BREEZES. IT IS UNDER 35 FEET.
THE ONE CHANGE AS WE MOVED THROUGH DRAWINGS FROM A BRICK FOUNDATION SIMILAR TO NEXT DOOR TO A STUCCO FOUNDATION.
THE FIRST FLOOR IS STUCCO AND HARDY ABOVE THAT.
AND YES AN EASEMENT FOR THE COMMON DRIVEWAY.
EACH RESIDENCE DENTS HAS A TWO CAR GARAGE.
SATISFY THE PARK REQUIREMENTS THERE ARE STANDARD TREES CROSS THE BACK OF THE PERMANENT. WATER OAKS THAT CLOSE TO A STRUCTURE THE THIS AGE -- MORE VEGETATION TO THE BUILDING THAT I WILL HAVE I CANOPY AND WE HAVE LIMITED SPACE HERE.
>> DU HAVE TO TAKE THIS TO PRC? >> NO.
YOU DON'T GO TO TRC DEAL WITH DRAINAGE WHICH IS TYPICAL.
DOES NOT GO TO TRC. AND ONE MORE ROUND HERE AND YOU
KNOW PERMITTING. >> SO, FOR ANOTHER MY THOUGHT ABOUT DRAINAGE THESE GUYS ARE SET UP AND EVERYTHING FLOODS ON THE LEFT SIDE THIS IS A FOOTPRINT WE PUSHED WATER SOME PLACE ELSE. WITHHOLD HANDLE THOSE OCCURRENCE. NOW THEY RETAIN AID GILLETTE TO DOT DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND ON THESE LOTS THERE ARE 6 FEET OF FALL EAST TO WEST TOWARD SECOND STREETS THE ONLY PLACE HAVE YOU TO COLLECT WATER IS UNDER GROUND STORAGE
>> IN THE DRIVE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU FOR THE HEIGHT I KNOW YOU BACK UP TO A NONCRA AND PROPER HEIGHTS FOR THAT.
WHERE DU MEASURE YOUR BUILDING HEIGHT FROM? THE AVERAGE GRADE -- TO THE PEEK OF THE ROOF.
34 IN CHANGE AND ALLOWED 35 TO THE POKE.
WE ARE UNDER IT. AND -- THE AVERAGE FROM THE STREET. TO GET TO THE PORCH.
THEN YOU STEP UP ANOTHER TWO FEET TO GET TO THE BACK PORCH.
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IT IS IN THE ON THE FLOOD PLAIN TEMPERATURE IS REALLY HIGH.>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JOHN? NOT IN THE CITY .
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. IT HEN FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS.
>> TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY ON NORTH SECOND.
> WHEN WE DO ALL THIS WORK OFTEN LIKE TO SEE THEM GET
BUILT. >> WE HAVE JUST PASSED THE TWO YEAR PERMITTING TIME FRAME ON THAT PROJECT.
JOHN, I WOULD ASK THIS IF IT IS -- WE DON'T CUT THE TREES DOWN UNTIL WE ARE READY TO PUT SHOVELS IN THE GROUND.
I THINK YOU BEING DO THAT BUT -- BECAUSE THINGS OFTEN GET CONCEPTUAL REVOW AND HD C REVIEW DOES NOT MONEY THEY GET BUILT.
IF WE COULD HOLDS OFF ON CUTTING DOWN THE TROLLS ACCORDING TO THE ARBORIST. ANOTHER 20 YEARS OUT OF THEM.
THE PROJECT DOES IN THE HAPPEN. OFTEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT I WILL SEE THE PRICE TAG. PEOPLE NOT GETTING PERMITS TO REMOVE TREES. TROLL REMOVAL WOULD BE PART OF
THE BUILDING PERMIT >> EVEN YOU WANT TO CUT FOR CONSTRUCTION YOU NODE A PERMIT. WOULD YOU NOT
>> NOT IF IT IS DOCUMENTED BOY AN ARBORIST AS A HAZARDOUS TREE.
>> ANYBODY ELSE. PUBLIC HEARING.
IF I ON THE RIGHT TRACK. ANYBODY HOAR TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE 2020-0034? YOU HAVE ANYBODY ON THE LINE? . BOARD MEMBERS WHAT IS YOUR PLEDGE. TAMMI? I STILLMENTED THE ANSWER OF WHY MARYLAND WAS HAVING TO GO THROUGH THIS WHEN SHE DOES IN THE OWN THE PROPERTY.
JOHN, COME UP J. WHEN WE STARTED THE PROJECT, RART SAN HAS THE PERMANENT THAT I WILL INFORM DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.
LOWMAN WAS THE OWNER IN RECORD WOEFUL WE DID THE PAPERWORK IN HER ANYMORE THEN ARTISAN CLOSEOD THE PROPERTY.
A MOTION? IT IS YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU SHOULD MAKE A MOTION. LOOKING FOR THE LANGUAGE.
CAN'T FIND IT. NOR SECOND NOR THIRD.
JOHN THEY MAY HAVE A VIEW UP THERE.
IT IT IS A LITTLE TO THE WAREHOUSE TO GET THE -- SO I'M CLEAR WE ARE JUST CONCEPTUAL. SO -- NOTHING IS WRITTEN IN STONE THIS IS ON THIS CONCEPTUAL IF IT COME BECOME AND WE FIND A PROBLEM WITH IT? THAT'S RIGHT.
I'M NOT GIVING YOU A HARD TIME. I MOVE TO -- [INAUDIBLE].
CONCEPTUALLY APPROVE CASE 2020-THERE ARE WITHOUT CONDITIONS. AND I MOVE THAT THE HTC FIND THE
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FACTS INCLUSIONS PART OF THE REFERRED THIS CASE 2020-34 SIZE PRESENTED IS COMMROINT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.SECRETARY OF INTERYOUR AND WATER FRONT REDEVELOPMENT AREA FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
SECOND CONWAY. DISCUSSION? HEA HEARING NONE.
>> THANK YOU. >> MEMBER KOSACK.
[4.3 HDC 2020-0036 - SETH JUDD, JUDD CONSTRUCTION LLC, AGENT FOR HEIDI CORMIER, 229 S. 8TH STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to replace 19 windows. (Quasi-Judicial)]
229 SOUTH H STREET. LLC FOR -- WHO'S GOT THIS ONE.
IS THERE SOMEBODY ON THE LINE? SOMEBODY HERE FOR -- THIS PROJECT? THERE IS.
STAGE DIRECTION. WE HAVE AN APPLICANT ON THE LINE? IS THIS MR. JUD.
SAUL? THIS IT IS 229 SOUTH EIGHTH STREET. A PROPERTY THAT IS ZONED C3.
MIXED USE PROPERTY BUILT IN 1903 THE SITE PLAN A PRIVATE RESIDENCE DENT IN 1903 IS NOT FOR PAIRED WIND OATES AND GABE ANDS IT IS SIMILAR IN DESIGN TO THE ADJACENT HOME AND CURRENTLY USED COMMERCIAL LOW AND RESIDENTIAL LOW AT THE SECOND FLOOR. SEEK TO REPLACE 17 WOOD WINDOWS WITH BRAND CRIP TERIAN RESIN WINDOWS.
IN ANALYZING THE PROPOSED CHANGE, STAFF NOTES THAT THE GUIDE LINES STATE THE HISTORIC WINDOWS SHOULD BE PRESERVED IF DAMAGED HISTORIC WINDOWS REPER SEED BIA CONTRACTOR EXPERIENCED IN THE REPAIR OF HISTORIC MATERIALS.
REPLACE AM OF HISTORIC WINDOWS URNDZ TAKEN UPON IF I WINDOW IS BEYOND REPAIR AND MATCH THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION AND TOMORROW TO COMPLIMENT THE REMAINING WINDOWS.
THE WINDOWS ARE INCOMPRESIDENTABLE IN DESIGN WITH THE HOME AND ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
WHOLESALE REPLACE AM OF A PERMANENT IS IN THE AN PRESENT REHAB TREATMENT. THE APPLICANT NOT PROVIDED EVIDENCE AS TO THE NEEDS FOR WINDOW REPLACE AM AND THE PRINCIPLE DOES IN THE MOTE THE SECRETARY OF INTERYOUR STANDARDS NUMBERS WITHIN, 2, 5, 6 AND 9. THE.
ACTION IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CODE THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINE AND RECOMMENDS DENIAL.
QUESTIONS FOR MR. CAMEA. >> WE DON'T HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF EXISTING WINDOWS PROVIDED IN THE APPLICATION.
THEY PROVIDED A LISTING OF THE NUMBER.
I DID A WALK AROUND. SOME OF THEM ARE IN GOOD SHAPE AND SOME OF PRETTY ROUGH WHEN I SO FROM THE STREET.
NORMALLY YOU DPOP SEE PHOTOGRAPHS.
EACH WINDOW. THERE IS A STATEMENT AM FROM THE CONTRANSACTOR. UP ON THE SCREEN HERE.
>> THANK YOU. >> LOOK AT AN E MAIL FROM JERAD JOHNSON TO SILVY. DATE AUGUST 20TH.
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OF OF JUST. HELLO THERE.THAT'S THIS ONE PARAGRAPH THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE CONDITION
>> YCHLS DOES GOODBYE. NOBODY HAS QUESTIONS GO TO MR.
SETH JUD WITH >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
>> SORRY. >> GO AHEAD, MICHAEL.
>> IN THE APPLICATION IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE 17 WINDOWS THE AGENDA TALKS OF 19. YES, IT DOES.
I BELIEVE THERE ARE 17. >> THERE IS AN ERROR IN OUR AGENDA. OKAY.
MR. JUD. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD
LIKE TO AD? >> WE SUBMITTED PHOTOS.
IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
JUD, 52 TWOENLT CHAD RD. IN JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.
IS THERE MORE DOCUMENTATION ON THIS? WE SUBMITTED PHOTOS OF EVERY WINDOW.
I CAN RESEND THAT SOMEWHERE IF YOU NEED IT.
BUT WE DID GO OUT AND INSPECT AND FROM THE DAMAGE QUALITIES A LOT OF WATER DAMAGE. FUL COMPLETE WOOD ROT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. THE OWNER -- IS -- COMPLAINING ABOUT HER ENERGY BILLS EMPLOYMENTED TO GO TO AN ENERGY EFFICIENT PRODUCT. BOARD MEMBERS QUESTIONS FOR MR. JUD? SAUL.
HAVE YOU RECORD OF THOSE DOCUMENTATION.
>> I DON'T I'M LOOKING NOW. I'M LOOKING AT WHAT YOU DID PROVIDE YOU CAN SEE FROM THE STREET THESE NEAR SAD SHAPE.
SOME ARE IN GOOD SHAPE. AT THE CEDAR STREET SIDE. NORTH -- SOUTHEAST CORNER THERE IS WILL PRETTY MATERIALS THERE. YOU'D INCLUDE TODAY IN THE
REPORT HAD YOU HAD IT >> CORRECT.
OKAY. SEEING IF SAUL HAS THE FILE.
WE DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU SENT.
IT IS IN THE THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE IT.
BOARD MEMBERS QUESTIONS IF IN THE MOVE TO THE PUBLIC FORUM.
>> I THINK -- SAUL YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
TYPICALLY WHEN WE ARE LOOKING FOR WHEN WE HAVE HISTORY
>> WINDOWS AND. SOMEONE WANTS US TO REPLACE THEM. WE LIKE TO SEE A REPORT DONE BY -- A -- SPECIALIST COMPANY THIS SPECIALIZES IN REPAIRING AND REBUILDING HISTORIC WINDOWS. SO WE CAN HAVE A COMPARISON AND A FEASIBILITY STUDY THIS DOCUMENTS THE CONDITION EACH OF THE EXISTING WINDOW ANDS GIVES US AN IDEA OF WHAT ECONOMIC
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VICTIM THIS WOULD INVOLVE TO REHAB THE EXISTING HISTORIEDICWINDOWS. >> OUR PREFERENCE IS KEEP THE HISTORIC WINDOW IF FEASIBLE AND WITHOUT A REPORT OR REVIEW OF THAT WE DON'T HAVE A BASES TO SAY -- YES, THEY CAN GO, WAY IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO BILLS THAT ON.
WHEN CONSIDERING WHAT WINDOWS TO REPLACE THEM WITH.
WE AND TO BE PRESENTED WITH I WINDOW SO WE CAN DETERMINE, DOES THIS WINDOW MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE HISTORIC WINDOW? DOES IT HAVE THE SAME DELL DEPTH IN THE SASH.
DOES IT HAVE EXETER YOUR MOUNTED MUSN'TINS.
WHEN ARE THE PROSECUTE FILES OF THE SASH.
HOW CLOSE TO THOSE HISTORIC ELEMENTS ARE THEY? BASED ON THE LOOK AT THE WEBSITE THE WINDOW IT IS PROPOSED THE EXTERIOR AND THE EXTERIOR ALL THAT IT BOARD IS CONCERNED WITH DON'T SEEM TOET MEET THE CRITERIA.
WE ARE LOOKING A REPORT EXIT WINDOW THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE CONSIDER AS A REPLACEMENT. WE DID THAT AND WE HAVE THE SPECIAL COMPANY GO OUT AND REPORT -- SENT OVER.
I'M LOOKING AT THE E MAIL ON OCTOBER SECOND.
-- WITH THIS REPORT. AND -- UM -- WE HAVE DONE THE RESTORATION COMPANY. EVERY WINDOW AND HOW DAMAGED IT WAS AND WE DID SEND THE PICTURE OF HER WINDOW WOULD LOOK LIKE.
ON OUR WEBSITE WOULD BE A WINDOW.
WE DID -- THE EXACT. STYLE GROID HER WINDOW NOW.
I CAN RESENDS THIS SO SOMEBODY HAS IT.
>> WHAT YOU HAVE IS WHEN WE NEED.
I WILL SPOKE TO THE STAFF NOW. THEY NEVER GOT IT HAS NOT BEEN RECEIVED AND BUZZ THE STAFF DOES D NOT GET IT YOUR COUNCILMEMBER DID NOT GET IT WE DON'T HAVE THE EVIDENCE YOU NEED AND CANNOTMIC A DECISION TONIGHT ON THE BASIS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE EVIDENCE. I WILL SUGGEST TO THE BOARD HERE THAT WE MOVE TOWARD CONTINUATION.
FOOTBALL HEARING >> REAL QUICK CAN I SEND TYPESET
SHE WILL GET IT TO HIM. I APOLOGIZE IF ANYTHING HELP ON THE CITY SIDE. HONEST LOW, WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR A FEW DAYS WHERE THE DOCUMENTATION HE SAID I DON'T
HAVE ANYTHING. >> A NOTE TO MAKE SURETY FILE SIZE IS IN THE TOO BIG TELL BOUNCE BACK.
BE CAREFUL OF THE FILE SIZE. SORRY WE DIDN'TGET IT.
>> IT WAS ORIGINAL LOW SENT TO MRS. MC CAN.
>> IT WAS THE FILE SIZE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR SAUL WHO I WE HAVE HIM. YOU ARE LISTING OF THE 17 WINDOW DIMENSIONS SOME ARE CLOSE TO THE SAME.
OTHERS ARE FRACTIONS OF AN INCH DIFFERENT.
AND I AM WONDERING -- ARE YOU PROSECUTE POSING TO -- INSTALL STANDARD WINDOWS AND -- EXCHANGE FOR THE ODD SHAPES OR ARE YOU GOING TO GET -- SPECIAL MADE WINDOWS.
FOR EACH CASE? THEY ARE ALL SPECIAL MED WE MEASURE DOWN TO AN EIGHTH OF AN INCH.
THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES IN THE EXISTING PROPERTY ARE THEY VERBY
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THESE DIMENSIONS THAT I WILL ARE NOT ALL THE SAME THAT LIST YOU DO HAVE THAT'S -- THE CRITICAL MEASURE AM WE TOOK OF THESE>> OKAY. >> OTHER QUESTIONS IF NOT I WILL OPEN THE -- TAMMI. YES.
>> SO THEY ARE NOT GOING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE NOT TO COME BECOME OUT OF WHERE ARE WE ON THIS BRAND OF WINDOW THAT IS NOT ON
OUR APPROVED LIST. >> WE NEED TO SEE SAMPLES.
THAT COULD BE AT STAFF LEVEL OR THIS LEVEL OR BOTH LEVELS.
ANYBODY ELSE. IF NOT I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF ANYBODY WISHES TO TESTIFY.
NO ONE THIS WELSCHES TO TESTIFY WE CLOSE THE HEARING AND WOULD SOMEBODY BE WILLING TO CONTINUE THIS PENDING -- DOCUMENTATION AND SAMPLES WROCHL WHEN. STAFF? NOVEMBER? NOVEMBER MOTE SUGGEST ALREADY FULL. ALMOST FILLINGLYUM SCOMBM DECEMBER NOW. ROM ON THIRD DEGREE? IT IS DECEMBER THE THIRD THURSDAY IN DECEMBER.
WHICH IT IS, SAY IT >> CONTINUE CASE 2020-0036 TO
THE NEXT AVAILABLE HD C MEETING. >> TAMMI? SECOND. MOVED.
POZZETTA. I RECOMMEND THE OWNER BRING THE WINDOW IN TO SHOW AN ACTUAL WINDOW SAMPLE TO STAFF BEFORE IT WOULD GET BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD FOR THE BOARD TO LOOK AT IT, TOO. FUL VERY GOOD.
>> WE CAN SCHEDULE THAT. >> THANK YOU, MR. JOHN.
>> CALL THE ROLE. MEMBER CONWAY?
>> YES. WHY MOVING ON HD C 2020-0039 THE
[4.4 HDC 2020-0039 - JOHN COTNER, COTNER & ASSOCIATES INC., AGENT FOR PETER VENERDI, 505 CEDAR STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to rehabilitate a contributing primary structure, construct an addition in rear and construct a 384 SF 2-story accessory structure. (Quasi-Judicial)]
505 CEDAR STREET. SAUL? YOU REMEMBER THIS ONE. DID THIS ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO, RIGHT? HD C2020-39 LOCATED AT 505 CEDAR STREET. OF THE IF ZONE SUGGEST R2 AND THE REQUESTS ACTION IS CERTIFICATE OF PROWL TO REHAB A TRUSHTH CONSTRUCT A 15 BY 11 FOOT 6 INCH ADDITION AT THE REAR AND A 384 SQUARE FOOT 2 STORE ACCESS ROW DWELLING THE PROPERTY WAS BUILT IN 1909 ACCORDING TO THE SITE PLOT.THE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN 1909. TIPICAL FOR THE PERIOD.
NOTE ON THE 1985 SURVEY THAT AT THIS POINT IT HAD I NUMBER OF ALTERATIONS. THE APPLICANT IS SEEK TO REHAB THE STRUCTURE. THE APPLICATION WAS HEARD AS CASE HD C201801 AND GUARANTEED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL ON JANUARY 18TH 2018. THAT HAS EXPIRED AND THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A NEW COA FOR THAT SAME PROJECT.
PART OF THE ANALYSIS. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
IN THE REQUEST. IT STILL MEETS ITS HEIGHT AND SET BECOMES AND MATERIALS. WE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MATERIALS. .
REUSING AS MUCH AS THE ORIGINAL SIDING AS POSSIBLE ON THE FRONT.
THERE IS DAMAGE TO A LOT OF THE WOODICIDING THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE PERMANENT. WE CAN REUSE WHAT IS THERE.
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TO BE REUSED ON THE FRONT. COMMROINT WITH -- ALL OF THE OTHER ASPECTS OF IT. AND WITH THIS STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUESTED ACTION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SECRETARY OF INTERIOR AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINE FOR APPROVAL AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONSCIENCE.BOTH LEFT TIME AND THIS TIME THERE WERE OSHG OMITTED ELVISIONS AND AGAIN THE SALVAGE SIGHTING USEOD THE FRONT REPLACE AM WOOD SIDING AT THE SIDES AND REAR AND THE STRUCTURE.
>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR ON THIS CASE? GI SAW A REFERENCE TO THE HOMELESS SHELTERS.
>> CORRECT. AND THE SUGGESTION THIS THERE IS THE PROPERTY OWNER MAY NEED TO PROVIDE PHOTOGRAPHS OR PHYSICAL EVIDENCE THEY EXISTED BEFORE. HOW DO WE STAND ON THAT
>> THIS IT IS A GENERAL RECOMMENDATION WE HAVE FOR ANY FEATURE TO BE ADED THE INSTRUCT. WEAVE DISCUSS THIRD DEGREE.
THE FIRST TIME THIS CAME THROUGH.
AND THE BOARD DISCUSS THIRD DEGREE IT WOULD BE PRESENT TO HAVE THE SHUTTERS EVEN THOUGH WE TONIGHT HAVE HISTORY IRK EVIDENCE THIS HOUSE HAD ABOUT HYMN SHUTTERS ON IT.
>> THANK YOU. >> OTHER QUESTIONS? SAUL. NO.
NEVER MIND. WE WENT THROUGH THIS NOTHING HAS CHANGED THE RATIONAL FOR THE SHUTTERS THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS LESS THEN AND THERE TWO FEET. NEXT TO BARRY'S HOUSE.
OFF THE PROPERTY LINE. HOUSES ARE CLOSE TOGETHER IT TROY TO PROVIDE PRIVACY HOUSE TO HOUSE.
. >> AND FRANK LOW I DON'T THINK TELL BE NOTICEABLE THE THEIROSE OF THE CORRIDOR BETWEEN THE 2.
I THOUGHT WE INCLUDED. THE COUPLE ELEVATIONS YOU REFERRED TO I WILL CHECK MY FILES.
>> I DON'T. WE GOT SOME BUT WE ARE MISSING -- WING MISSING ONE ELVISION ON THE HOUSE AND TWO ON THE ACCESSORY. HAVING SAID THAT.
I MAY HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK THAT I THOUGHT WE DID A CONCEPT AND FINAL. YOU MIGHT HAD THE CONCEPT AND NOT THE FINAL. THIS WAS ONE AM HANDLED UPON DREW TEMPERATURE IT IS FREE HAND DRAWING.
AND I -- JANUARY TW YEARS AGO AND ADDED FOR THE FINAL I WILL CHECK. DATED DECEMBER THEN, 2017FUL THERE WAS IN THE ANYTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT THE SET BECOMEOS THE HOUSE? RIGHT.
ALL WITHIN. >> THE OLD HOUSE DOES NET MEET CURRENT SET BECOME THE NEW ADDITIONS DO.
CARRIAGE HOUSE IS 3 FEET OFF THE SIDE AND ROAR AND THE BEDROOM ADDITION WAS 5 FEET OFF THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE AND BUILDING UNDER 25 DE FEO THIS IT IS A 33 FOOT LOT T. IS TINY.
IOT 3 SISTERS. I NOTICED WHEN THEY DID CARRIE NEWMAN'S COTTAGE. THEY WERE ABLE TO RECYCLE THE SOME OF THE SIDING TO THE FRONT. THAT'S THE THEORY TAKE THAT OFF THE BACK AND REPLACE IT ON THE FRONT.
YOU HAVE INTERESTING ADDITIONS IN THE BECOME.
OTHER QUESTIONS? >> WILL BE NICE HAVE THAT THIRD
SISTER FIXED. >> YOU ARE RIGHT.
EXACTLY RIGHT. WE'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I SEE -- STAFF ANYBODY ON THE PHONE?
OR PEOPLE IN THE ROOM >> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY LEFT ON THE PHONE. OPEN TO PUBLIC HEAR FOR EXAMPLE
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2020-OF 039. IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. AND NAME AND ADDRESS.HEIM BRIAN OF VANLT 909 CEDAR STREET.
LOOKING AT THE 3 GRACE YES 19 NO IF 505 EVER HAPPENS.
UPON TONIGHT 3 REASONS NUMBER ONE -- WITH THIS ENTIRE ROOM UNNOTICED IN THE PROSECUTE OVER THERE [INAUDIBLE] TO HIS OWNER.
NUMBER ONE -- BEFORE ANYTHING IS DONE THERE WE WILL GOET WHEN WILL BE DONE, DO WHAT YOU WANT. ANYBODY HEARD OF THE [INAUDIBLE] BY ANY CHANCE YOU KNOW MUS ACCURATE LOVE IS.
IT USED TO BE CUTE AT ONE TIME WHEN THE LITTLE FURRY THINGS WOULD COME OUT OF 505 AND SCAMMER ACROSS THE LECTRIC LINES NOW IT IS OUT OF HANDLED. THESE FURRY TAIL RATS BREED TWICE A SEASON TRU 5 OR 6 IN A LIT ARE THEY ARE ALL OVER.
YOU HEAR THEM AT NIGHT IN MY YARD AND CROSS THE STREET THIS IS THEIR PROBLEM BUT I ASSURE YOU BEFORE ANYBODY ANYBODYINGS A NIL THIS THAT PLACE WHEN THEY DO THIS WHERE ARE THE FURRY THINGS GOING TO GO. UNDER MY HOUSE AND UNDER CARRIE NEWMACHINE'S HOUSE AND -- AND THIS IS ADDRESSED TO ATTORNEY BLACK NOW. WOULD YOU PLEASE, CONVEY TO CODE ENFORCEMENT I'M NOT ALLOWED TALK TO THIS WE HAVE I REAL ANIMAL PROBLEM. THE OTHER THING IS -- KIM DAVES WORKED LANGUAGE AND HARD O IT. IT SITS AND SITS AND SITS.
AND IT IS GETTING TO THE PIN NOW WHERE IT IT IS A FORENSIC DEMOLITION. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME TRYING TO SAVE THE STUFF ON THE SIDESOR BACK.
WE ARE LUCKY IT HAS NOT FALLEN DOWN I'M CONVINCED IT MAY BURN YOU NEVER KNOW. AND -- YOU KNOW WHEN WILL TELL GET DONE AND NOT THIS IS IN THE MY BUSINESS I'M THINKING NOW THAT THIS IS AN ANOTHER COA TO JUST KEEP MY SPOT IN LINE UNTIL I GET RED FOR IT. THE THIRD THING ABOUT WATCH HAPPENING I'M HE WERE AND WILL REPORT BACK.
WE'LL WATCH BUILDING LUNCH. QUITE FRANK LOW, I HAVE BEEN IN THAT HOUSE. I HAD PEOPLE KNOW WHAT GOES ON WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THAT PLACE AND THERE IT IS A PROBLEM IN THERE FOR FROM TOP TO BOTTOM LIKE YOU ARE THING ON SECOND STREET. CONVINCING TO YOU SAVE THE HOUSE. CHAMPION IS ONCE YOU START -- IT IT IS -- NOT WORTH DOING. THE THING IS WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT IS CALL [INAUDIBLE] FOUNDATION.
FIRST THING. WHEN I'M SAYING THE REASON WHY I'M STANTLYING HOAR WE ARE WATCHING LONG AND HARD WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE] NO CONFIDENCE IN THE OWNER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
>> THANK YOU, BRIAN. I UNDERSTAND LIVING NEXT TO THIS COULD BE A CHALLENGE I THINK I GOT RATS AT THE LEFT HOUSE IN THE ATTIC THERE. BARRY COME ON OUT.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEAR ANDING WE ARE MOVING ON TO BOARD DISCUSSION.
BOARD MEMBERS WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE.
A QUESTION FROM THE LEFT TIME THIS WAS APPROVED WAS IT A CONDITION TO REMOVE THAT BAHAMA SHUTTERS OR WERE THOSE APPROVED.
>> WE APPROVE TODAY BARRY'S HOUSE HARD ON THE PERMANENT LISTEN THERE. AND THEY LOOK LIKE IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM TO HAVE OPEN AND CLOSED SHUTTERS ON THE WEST SIDE.
IT WOULD NOT WORK. I HAVE BEEN IN THIS HOUSE MY NEIGHBOR'S BROTHER LIVE THERE IS FOR I COUPLE YEARS.
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IT WAS CHALLENGING BUT DOABLE. I SOUGHT FOUNDATION MR. DAVIES DID IT LOCKED GOOD ON ME. OTHER DISCUSSION? REALLY QUICK. THIS IS FOR TAMMI.YOU HAVE BEEN IN THE HOUSE IN THE OLD DAYS, RIGHT.
YES. I DO AM HAVE THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS OF THIS HOUSE AND THE SURVEY DONE AND EVERYTHING BEFORE I BOUT IT INTERYOUR AND INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR [INAUDIBLE].
THANK YOU. WHY THANK YOU, BRIAN.
WE APPRECIATE IT. I GOT GOOD AT CATCHING -- I GOT ONE MORE QUESTION OR FOR JOHN. ON ONE OF THE THIRD OR FOURTH PHOTO FROM THE INTERIOR PERSPECTIVE, IT SHOWS THAT MASSIVE OAK TREE I DON'T THINK THAT IS ON BARRY'S PROPERTY.
>> IT HEN GONE FOR ATWHIEL HAD SERIOUS ROT THEY TOOK IT DOWN BEFORE IT CAME DOWN. ANYTHING ELSE.
IF IN THE MR. PASETA WILL MAKE A MOTION.
>> FOR STAFF. HOW DO WE HANDLE THE OMITTED ELEVATIONS. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WE HAVE THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT I HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE OTHER ONES.
BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR IT TO BE SUBMITTED AND KEPTOM
FILE. >> REQUIRE THEY BE SUBMITTED TO STAPH BEFORE I ISSUE YOU THE -- YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEE WHICH WERE MISSING. FOR YOUR MOTION.
THIS THAT WAY IT IS ON THE RECORDS?
>> I DON'T SEE ON THE DRAWINGS IT SAYSET WINNOWS TO HAVE
ECEXTERIOR MOUNTED MUSN'TINGS. >> IT MAY NOT BE IN THE PACKAGE HERE IN THE PERMIT SET. IT WOULD HAVE THE ACTUAL EXPRESS
JOY WILL ADD THAT TO THE CONDITIONS.
AM LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE HD C CASE 2020-0039. WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
. THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT THE OMITTED ELEVATIONS, THERE IS ONE SIDE YARD ELEVATION FOR THE MIN HOUSE AND TWO ELEVATIONS ON THE ACCESSORY BUILDING.
AND SUBMIT THOSE FOR STAFF. UPON UPON CONDITION NUMBER TWO, THIS THE WINDOWS WITH MONTINS HAVE EXTERIOR MOUNTED MONTINS.
AND INVOLVAGE HISTORIC CITING ON THE FRONT ELVISION WHILE REPLACEMENT, IF NECESSARY, OCCUR AT SIDES WITH THE SAME SIDING OF THE SAME MATERIAL PROSECUTE FILE AND EXPOSURE.
WILL AND I MOVE THAT HD C MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD.
HD C2020-0039 AS PRESENTED IS COMPLIANT WITH THE PLAN OF LAND DEVELOP AM CODE. THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR AND STANDARDS AND THE DOWNTOWN GUIDELINES APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. IS THERE A SECOND.
>> SECOND. >> MOVE PAZZETA SECOND.
>> DISCUSSION. >> CALL THE ROLE.
>> MEMBER HARRISON. >> YES JOSHING YES.
[4.5 HDC 2020-0037 - JOHN COTNER, COTNER & ASSOCIATES INC., AGENT FOR TODD LORENTSON, 316 N. 3RD STREET CONCEPTUAL Certificate of Approval (COA) to construct a one 2-story primary structure with a detached 1 1/2 car garage. (Quasi-Judicial)]
>> MOVING ON 2020-0037, LAWRENCEON -- 316 N. THIRD
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STREET. THIS IS AJAYSANT TO THE PROPERTYTAMMI OWNS ON NORTH THIRD. >> CORRECT.
>> YES. >> SAUL THIS YOURS? PLEASE? THIS IS HD C 20200037.
R2 ZONED AND FOR I CONCEPTUAL CERTIFICATE OF PROWL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WITH DETACHED 1 AND A HALF CAR GARAGE. HERE IS THE -- WILL LOOKS LIKE FROM THE STREET VIEW. OF THE I SAID THE APPLICANT IS SEEK A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL 2, 200 SQUARE FEET AND THE 1 AND A HALF DETACHED GARAGE. PROPOSED WOOD FRAME WITH HARDY SIDING AND TRIM. PGT WINDOSE AND DOORS WITH ROOF.
METAL ROOFING AND ASPHALT SHINGLES AND DRIVEWAY.
STAFF FINDS THE HOME DESIGN IS CONCEPTUALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN TERM IT IS OF IT WAS.
PROPORTIONS AND ORIENTATION THE FRONT SET BECOME IS 12 FEET NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE FRONT YARD SETBACK OF 25 FEET.
APPLICANT APLOYED FOR A SETBACK DETERMINATION OUT LINES IN 4 PENALTY 023 FOOTWORK. FINAL APPROVAL ON THE CONTACT SENSITIVE SET BECOME GRANTING THE 12 FOOT YARD SET BECOME.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOUNDATION OF 24 BE INCREASED TO 32 INCHES.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND DOWNTOWN HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND ISSUES CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. THANK YOU.
>> QUESTIONS? >> WHO HAS DETERMINED THE SETBACK? ADMINISTRATIVE APPLICATION THEY HAVE APLOYED FOR IT. AND IT TAKES NO ACCOUNT TO THE SETBACKS OF THE OTHER PERMANENTOS THAT BLOCK.
WAS WITHIN YOUR CONTROL. DIRECTOR ANSWER IS THE CITY MANAGER. RIGHT?
SAUL. YOUR QUICK READING OF THE SITE PLAN IS THAT 12 FOOT LIKE LOW TO HAPPEN BASED ON THE CHURCH OR WHERE TAMMI HOUSE IS. I'M NOT THE ONE DOING IT BUT I
>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WHEN I WALKED BY.
NICE TO HEAR SOMEBODY ELSE >> WHAT KNOW THE LAUREL OAK?
>> PERHAPS THAT IS A QUESTION FOR JOHN? STWVM WHERE THE K BLOCK, TOWARD THE BACK RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY.
I WAS BECOME WARD. I GET YOU NOW.
>> IN THE MOVING IN THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE LOT.
PRELIMINARY, IDENTIFY YOURSELF >> JOHN COCKER ATLANTA AVENUE.
ONE CONSCIENCE THERE WAS. ELVITHE FINISHED FLOOR.
WE DECIDED TO DO THIS BEFORE WE HEARD THIS.
WE DECIDED TO GO WITH A CRAWL SPACE AND IN THE A SLAB.
WE WILL BE AT TLO ANYWAY, MAY BE HIGHER THAN THAT.
32 WOULD BE UPON MINIMUM. THE TREE HIT IN AN UNOPPORTUNE LOCATION. ITS -- EVEN PULLING THE HOUSE FORWARD THE 12 DE FEO I WILL EXPLAIN THAT, TOO.
WE HAD A SURVIOR DID TWO CORNERS OF THE OLD ST. MICHAEL'S CHURCH
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ON THE CORNER AND LIKE TAMMIS HOW THES TWO CORNERS OF THE FRONT PORCH. OF THE BUILDING UNTIL 4 POINT ANDS 11 IN CHANGE IN 12 FEET. ANSWER ON THAT SOON.CONTROVERSIAL THAT'S TWO OF THE QUESTIONS.
BECOME TO THE TREE. I TROYED FLIP MR. FOREMANING DIFFERENT DIRECTIONLESS. TREE ONE WAY HITS IN THE PORCH THE OTHER WAY TWO FEET OFF THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE.
THIS IS NOT A GRANDIOSE FOOTPRINT WE HAVE HERE.
WE DID 2 STORE TOES MINIMIZE THE AFFORDABILITY THERE IS IN THE MUCH WE CAN TAKE OUT QUITE FRANK LOW IT IS FRUGALED.
IN TERMS OF SPACE. 4 FWLM WILL 200 SQUARE FEET IS GOOD. I'M NOT FINDING A WAY TO W THOORNLD. I WOULD SUGGEST IS WE HAVE TO MITIGATE NUT NEW TREES. WE WOULD -- THERE IS A BIG CEDAR TREE TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
OUST WAY OF DEVELOPMENT. A FULL TREE.
BUT COME IN WITH LIVE OAKS AS STREET TREE IN THIS 12 WILL FEET PLUS RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THE STREET. THIS WILL BE MY PROPOSAL.
>> IS THERE A -- DO YOU HAVE A DRAWING SHOWING THE SITE PLAN WITH THE PROPOSE THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY ON IT?
>> YEA. IT WAS IN THE PACKAGE.
WE HAVE DONE COMPUTER. 2 THEREIN IN YOUR PACKAGE, MEEK.
WHAT I'M SEEING HERE LOOKS LIKE THE HOUSE IS 48 FEET NO.
42 FEET PLUS THE -- PORCH. >> WE GOT AN 8 FOOT PORCH AND 12 FOOT SETBACK AT 62 FEET BECOME ON THE LOT.
TREE IS 62 FEET BECOME ON THE LOT.
WE LAID IT OUT VIA COMPUTER. AND IT HITS ABOUT 2 OR 3 FEET OFF THE BUILDING WALL IN THE PORCH.
IF I FLIP IT AROUND THE OPPOSITE WAY.
DISADVANTAGE TO TAMMI HER HOUSE IS CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LISTEN WE ARE TRYING TO PUT THE DRIVEWAY ON THIS SIDE TO KEEP OPEN SPACE THERE. HER LIVEOTH OPPOSITE SUFFICIENTED HER HOUSE. AN ADVANTAGE.
>> WHEN WE VISITEDIR NOTICED THAT TAMMI'S HOUSE I WANT TO SAY. AM WHAT ARE YOU I COUPLE FEET OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE? 25 INCHES.
HAVING THE DRIVEWAY ON THE NORTH SIDE WOULD BE BEST FOR EVERYBODY
IT FITS MEAN IS ON THE LEFT SIDE IT HAS CONCEPTUAL FABRIC.
QUESTIONS FROM -- FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
IF JOHN, FIRST I WANTED IT TELL YOU HOW EXCITED I WAS TO SO THAT WAS FOOU YOU GUYS WORKING ON THESE PLAN ANDS WHAT A TREMENDOUS IMPROVE AM FROM THE LEFT ONE WON'T SAW BROUGHT FOURTH ON US. YOU ANSWERED ONE I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT A PEER FOUNDATION OSHG POSE TO A WILL [INAUDIBLE] THE THING WE DON'T ADDRESS MUCH, WE DON'T HAVE A [INAUDIBLE]
>> ALL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT HAPPENS TO THE NORTH, SOUTH.
EAST ME THOSE ARE HIGHER THAN MY HOUSE.
MY HOUSE WAS IN A HOLE HI TO RIZ IT UP UPON 42 INCHES.
THE GRADE IS STILL LOW. WHEN I SAW THE WALL YOU HAD OUT THAT WATER WILL COME OFF AND ROLL WILL WILL RIGHT UNDER MY HOUSE THAT WAS I CONCERN AND -- THE TREE THAT IS HUGE FOR ME I
[02:05:05]
TOOK THE PLANS AND I TALKED TO TODD ABOUT IT HIS INTENTIONS ON THE LOT. MY CALCULATIONS I GET THAT TREE TWO FEET OFF IN THE BACK PORCH. NOT IN THE BUILDING THE BACK PERCH AS MUCH 22 FEET BOY 10 FEET>>> CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOWURE SO CREATIVE WHY CAN'T WE TRUNCATE THE DECK AND BUILD AROUND THIS TROLL WE HAVE A PEER FOUNDATION.
LESS DEFAMILIARATION TO THE ROT AND YES, YOU WILL HAVE TO LIM THE LOW BRANCHES WE HAVE A 60 FOOT CANOPY AN SXOUL HAWK LIVES THERE. SHADE IT PROVIDES AND THE VIEW AND THE ONLY MATURE TREE LEFT ON THE LET THEY CLEAR CUT SXEFSH GETINGLY READY TO DOT SAME WITH THE HOUSE BEHIND US.
I'M JUST KR -- EMPLORING -- THAT YOU TO BE CREATIVE WITH THIS
TREE. >> WELL, AS MOST OF THAT WORK WITH MOW OVER THE YEARS KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE I COME FROM THE PLANATION AND DESIGN WITH NATURE.
EVERY TIME I CAN SAVE A WILL TREE I WILL BEND AND SAVE A CONTROVERSIAL. THEY WERE GOING TO DID A SLAB CONSTRUCTION THAT WOULD BE 2 FEET ABOVE THE STREET.
WHICH IS TYPICAL. ONCE THEY DECIDED THAT I WILL WERE OKAY TO GO TO WOLD FRAME NOW WE ELEVATED UP.
WITH AT SLAB CONSTRUCTION THE TROLL IT IS A GONER.
THE ROT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE OXYGEN, WATER AND SO FORTH FOR THIS TREE SURVIVE. FOLLOW WE GO WAY BACK IN TIME I WAS BUILDING DECKS AND PORCHES WITH THE TROLLS IN THE PORCH.
THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE NOT RECEPTIVE TO THAT CONCEPT.
IF YOU GOT A POLICY I WOULD BE SHOCKED THEY WOULD CARRY YOU WITH THIS. TIMES HAVE CHANGED UNFORTUNATELY. IF IT WAS I LIVE OAK YOU KNOW LIVE OAKS -- I TRY EVERYTHING I CAN.
WE HAD SUCCESS WITH LIVE OAKS IN A COUPLE FEET OF THE FOUND EGG.
WATER AND LURL OAKS NOT AS SUCCESS.
. THEY ARE NOT AS THE ROOT SYSTEM IS ISN'T AS HEALTHY. INSURER LIFE SPAN.
THEY UPON DROP LIMBS AND DAMAGE ROOFS.
WILL I'M NOT GIVING UP OFT APPROXIMATE TREE.
TWRO FEET ON THE CORNER IS JUST ABOUT SUICIDE.
YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T BRIDGE THE CORNER.
SO -- IT IS IN THE BACK PORCH. IN THE DECK.
THE 12 FOOT SETBACK WHERE IS THAT MENTIONED? THE FACE OF THE PORCH. FUL IF YOU WERE TO MOVE PROPERTY LINE WEST YOU GOT YOUR 12 FOOT TO THE HOUSE LINE YAM AS GOT IT AT 12. THAT'S HOW IT IS DRAWN.
I GOT IT AT 12 FEET NOW. LIT WLAEL WE LAID IT OUT ON THE COMPUTER. WHICH IS MORE ACCURATE WE WERE WITHIN 2 TO 3 DE FEO OF THE BUILDING WALL OF THE HOUSE.
SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION UMP TAKE THE PORCH OFF THE TREE IS AGAINSTET HOUSE. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
EEN I HAVE THE. PROBLEM OF THE 3 QUARTERS OF THE ROOT SYSTEM OF THE TREE IS UNDER THE STRUCTURE.
CHANCES OF SUCCESS WELL. AND AGAIN INSURANCE.
LIABILITIES. YOU KNOW -- MOST PLACE IF YOUS ARE WITHIN 10 FEET THEY LET YOU CUT TEMPERATURE DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER. IN THE THAT I'M GIVEINGLY UP ON IT YET I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO CUT OR FLIP.
AND THIS IS CONCEPTUAL. TONIGHT.
>> SO. >> I WOULD CONTINUE TO LOOK AT
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IT. >> LOOKS TO ME THE BACK WALL IS 58 FEET AND LIKE THE TREE IS AS YOU SAY -- RIGHT IN THAT TLA NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF THE TREE. GROWN IT IS LIKE THE LEFT ONE ON SECTION STREET OR NOT. OTHER QUESTIONS.
I DID THE SAME MENTAL GYMNASTICS TODAY WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS. THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, JOHN. I AGREE WITH YOU.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMPONENT AM PARTS OF THE HOUSE.
YOU CAN SKWOEZ A FEW INCHES OUT OF A DECK HERE AND ROM WELL.
TELL NOT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TO GIVE THAT TREE THE CHANCE IT WOULD NEED. IRCOULD NOT REALLY WORK AROUND ANYTHING EITHER THAT WOULD BE A SIMPLE SOLUTION.
IL KEEP LOOKING. 50 BY 100 LOT ITS IS CHALLENGING. AND CAN TAKE OUT THE LAST 40 FEET TO PROTECT A TREE WILL BE A CHALLENGE.
MR. HARRISON? DO WE HAVE A REPORT ON THE CONDITION OF THE TREE? HEALTHY.
WE DO NOT HAVE AN EXPERT ANALYSIS OF TREE.
I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. >> SAUL, CAN YOU PUT UP THE PHOTOS I SENT TO YOU. SURE.
THEY WERE HERE FIRST. AND DEPENDS ON WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE AND DECIDED IT IS POSSIBLE THAT A VARIANCE WOULD BE NEEDED.
I VARIANCE FROM. THINKING OUT LOUD.
TO GO BEYOND WHAT WOULD BE NOT FORMALIZED YOU NEED TO SEEK A VARIANCE. NOW 12 FEET WE ARE WITHIN 3 FEET OF TAMMI'S FRONT PORCH. BRING IT FURTHER FORWARD, 6 FEET. ARE YOU SUGGESTING -- THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE NEED TO PULL THE HOUSE FARED AND WELL, OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU HAVE TO THE THING HOAR IS YOU GOT A TREE VERSUS AESTHETIC ANDS STREET SKACHL WHICH TAKES CONTROL. INTEGRITY OF THEISTRY.
THE SETBACK WE HAVE NOW IS A WAY DETERMINING IT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. NO ASSURANCE TELLING BE APPROVED. IT IS ALREADY APPROVED AND FINALIZED. WILL IT FINAL THE ON THE AT 12
>> I THINK JOHN HAS A GOOD POINT THAT MOVING A HOUSE FORWARD THAT WILL ESTABLISH A FORWARD PROJECTION FOR ALL THE HOUSES ON THAT BLOCK TO COME. EATING UP THE FRONT YARD WITH HOUSE TREE AND THE FRONT YARDS OF HOMES ON THE STREET SCAPE.
MAY BE WE MOVE THIS ONE HOUSE BUT E ELIMINATE OUR OPPORTUNITY 4 MORE LOTS TO PUT TREES IN THE FRONT YARD THAT IS POTENTIAL LOW A -- WELL IS A DOMINO AFFECT HERE.
>> THANK YOU. WE WILL MOVE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. FUL MS. LAGHOUL WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. ALEX AROUNDER LA
>>YOU. 646 SPANISH WAY BEACH IN FERNANDINA BEACH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ESTEEMED MFBT HISTORIC DISTRICT COULD YOU THINKFUL CONCERNS
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ABOUT THE LOSS OF 316 NORTH THIRD STREET PERSONALITIES WITH A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE ONE.FORTUNATELY. THE ARCHITECT OF THE PROJECT IS BENCH MIN CLARK ASSOCIATES KNOWN FOR CREATIVITY.
WORKED WITH THE AMILL WHY TREE CONSERVES X COLONEL SERVANCY IT CREATES -- TO CREATE A WORK FOR THE WORK AROUND FOR THE MATURE LAUREL OAK ON THIS PERMANENT USING DESIGN SOLUTIONS.
I KNOW YOU ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF WILL PATROLLING FOR ENFORCING THE. ORDINANCE BUT FROM THE IMPPRESSIVE DISCUSSION I TELL YOU CARE ABOUT OUR LAND CODE AND PLAN AND OUR CITY. OUR CITY TROLL ORDINANCE ONE.
GOALS OF PRESERVING, ENHANCING THROUGHOUT PROTECTION AND ESTABLISH AM OF NATIVE TROLLS FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF PERSONALITY AND FUTURE POPULATIONS. LAND WILL DEVELOPMENT CODE STATES ALL MUST BE IMPLEMENTED WITH PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES TO AVERT DESTRUCTION OR DAMAGE TO NATIVE VEGETATION.
AS I READ THE PLAN THE OWNERS BACK POACHES A FEW FEET TOO FAR BACK. TO WHICH LET THE MATURE LAURELS STAY IN PLACE. THE APPLICATION ASKS DECREASING THE FRONT SETBACK FROM 25 TO THEN FEET THIS GIVES SOME EXTRA FEET TO BE CREATIVE WITH IF WOEFUL MOVE IT FURTHER FORWARD TOWARD THE STREET TO SAVE THAT TREE.
THIS BEING BE A BIT DIFFERENT. WE HAVE SO MANY EXAMPLES IN THE CITY, HOME TO A HAWK, OWL AND TORTOISE HAD LIVES AT THE BASE.
SOMETIMES TREES ARE OVER LOCKED IN THE DESIGN PRESS IT IS EZ FOR PROJECTS FOOTPRINT TOP TAKE PRECEDENCE OR A MATURE LIVING BEING. I WOULD LIKE TO SITE PROVISIONS FROM THE TREE ORANGES. NO NET LOESZ.
PRAYS MRIS BEING STRUCTURE IN WILS TO PROTECT THE GROWTH OF THE HEALTHIEST TREES. THIS LURL IS HEALTH ETCH LOOK TO THEY'RE NATIVE TO OUR ISLAND. WE LOOK TO PROTECT AND MAINTAIN THE EXISTING MATURE GROWTH OF TREES IMPORTANT TO THE CAN OPEN AND NOTE THAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS MASSEUR AND NOT LEGACY.
AND RESTORE THE AESTHETIC CHARACTER OF THE CITY THE PROPOSED NEW HOUSE IS NEXT TO AN HISTORIC RECONSTRUCTION REPORT ON THE HOUSE TOUR. OF WHY KEDRIVE THE VISITORS LOOMING BEHIND A WILL BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED HOME.
POLICE DO ALL CULL TO SAVE THE LIVE OF THE LAUREL TREE.
I APPRECIATE YOUR REFERENCES TO PLAN AND -- THE PROBLEM IS WHERE YOU ARE MATH. AS I DO THE CALCULATIONS HERE, THE TREES AT THE 60 FOOT MARK WITH THE 12 FEET SETBACK.
NOT THE DECK. THE HOUSE ITSELF.
THIS MODEST HOME BE AT 58 FEET. DP MAKE ITS DIFFICULT, 50 BOY 100 FOOT LOT IS DIFFICULT TO MACHINE IN THAT CONTEXT.
HAVING SAID THAT ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ETCH
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JOHN, YOU HAVE A POINT.
>> I WANTED REITY RIT THAT MITIGATION I'M A BELIEVER IN MITIGATION BUT A TREE HAS TO GO BECAUSE WE CAN'T BE SAVED MITIGATION IS A REASONABLE APPROACH.
I LIKE TO DO STREET TREES FROM THE PASSERBY MAY BE MORE OF AN ADVANTAGE. WHEN YOU PUT A STORY AND A HALF HOME YOU WILL LOSE THE CAN OPEN. THERE ARE PLUSES TO MITIGATION.
NOT IDEAL BUT THE NEXT BEST THING.
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IF I'M HEARING YOU POSSIBLE IN YOUR FINAL APPLICATION YOU.DEMONSTRATE STREET TREES. >> IF THERE IS NOT A WAY TO WORK AROUND THAT TREE AND IT WOULD BE LIVE OAK BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE DURABLE. AND I LOOKED AT THIS THE CONSEPT MYSELF AND LOCKED AT WORKING AROUND THE TREES MYSELF.
I DO KNOW THAT IT IS DEFINITE LOW A CHALLENGE.
TO SAY THE LEAST. YOU SAID YOU TRIED FLIPPING THE HOUSE. PUTS THE HOUSE.
I DON'T SEE WHY IT ISN'T. IF YOU TURNED IT OVER.
IF FIRST LOOKING I WOULD THINK, IT HITS ABOUT AGAIN 3 FEET OFF CORNER. OF THE HOUSE.
SO -- NO MATTER HOW WE MOVE NORTH OR SOUTH WE ARE STILL 3 FEET OFF THE TREE. SO -- T IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT THING. AND HOW FAR AWAY DO YOU NEED TO BE? IN AN IDEAL WORLD, 10 FEET.
THE ROOT SYSTEM AND SO FORTH. - I DRAW CIRCLES OF 10 FEET IN EACH SPECIMEN OF TREE. CAN I GO DOWN TO 6 OR 8 SOMETIMES. IF THERE IS IN THE A BIG MOUND AT THE BASE OF THE TREE. BUT YOU KNOW YOU HAVE LAND AND ACCOMPLICES LIKE THAT WE SAVED THEM WITHIN 6 TO 8 FEET OF THE BUILDING. IP CAN'T TELL YOU BUT IT IS NOT FAVORABLE. I WOULD PREFER TO VIOLATE THE CONTEXT OF THE SETBACK RATHER THAN LOSE THE TREE.
THE SET BECOME IS GOOD THE WAY THEY ESTABLISH TODAY MY HOUSE IS CLOSE AND DID THE RIGHT THING WITH THE AVERAGE.
I WAS HOPING FOR LIKE IN THE PAST THAT THE SET BECOME GUIDELINE RELAXED NORRED SAVE THE TREE WHCHL I SOUGHT FOOTPRINT THE GARAGE IS ONE SIDE THE HOUSE WITH THE OTHER ON THE DRIVE. I JUST SO CLOSE.
WE ARE TALKING AN -- THIS TREE IS SO HEALINGY.
SAUL PUT UP A FEW PHOTOS. I GOT TWO OF THESE ON MY PERMANENT. AND HERE IS THE PROBLEM WITH TRYING TO MITIGATE WITH STREET TREES WE HAVE MASSIVE POWER LINES ON THIRD ON OUR REMEMBER SIDE.
NILE OAK OUT FRONT. RIGHT TREE WRONG ACCOMPLICE THEY CUT THE WELL<,> L OUT OF IT. IT HIDEOUS HOW THEY PRUNE THAT TREE. ESPECIALLY WITH THE RELAXED SET BECOME WELL IS LITTLE SXROOM YOU CAN PUT A YANKEE PERENNIAL.
BECAUSE OF THE POWER LINES WE'LL NOT PUT TREES OUT BECAUSE OF THE POWER LINES. I GOORTH BY MY GARAGE OF 3 FEET OFF THE GARAGE. AND THIS WAS BUILT IN 2007 AND IN THE BACK A 38 HALF INCH, 18 INCHES OFF THIS GARAGE THAT AM TREE IS THRIVING. IT IS TRICK AND HE CLOSE I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH INSURANCE. I FEEL LIKE WE 3 AWAY THESE OPPORTUNITY AND THESE -- LIVING TRUSHTHS THE CASE OF A FEW FEET OF LIVING SPACE. THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT.
SDMOT HAVE TO BE A RECTANGLE I KNOW IT CAN BE DONE.
MAY BE WE TROY TO BUILD TORNADO AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS?
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I WILL REPEAT THEY SAID EARLIER STWN NOW AND THE FINAL I THE EXHAUST EVERY POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT OPTION TO TEAMMATE SAVE TIWILL TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PULL A RABBIT OUT OF THE HAT TO TRY TO SAVE IF.GEE ARE KNOWURE GOOD FOR YOUR WORD.
BOARD MEMBERS BOARD DISCUSSION NOW.
WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? CAN I SEE MY COUNCILMEMBERS, PLEASE? I LIKE TO SAY ONE QUICK WORD.
THANK THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO SFOEK IN FAVOR OF THE TREE.
I FELT LIKE THE PRESENT ANTICIPATION WAS WELL THOUGHT OUT AND I LIKE TO JUST SAY THAT I AS A BOARD MEMBER APPRECIATE WHEN SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC TAKES THE TIME TO BRING THINGS LIKE THIS TO OUR ATTENTION. IT -- HELPED ME REALIZE WHAT WAS PERSON ON THIS PROJECT AND REALLY LOOK AT WITH MORE DETAIL.
>> THANK YOU. >> BOARD MEMBERS WHAT'S YOUR
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DOING ANYTHING TO DESTROY THAT TREE.
THANK YOU. >> MR. HARRISON? YEA. YOU KNOW IFFY WOOR CONCEPTUAL THE MAJOR PART OF THE CONCEPT SHOULD SAVE THE TREE.
>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO APPROVE THE CONCEPTUAL.
THE SETBACKS IS PERSON THAN GIVING THE TREE SPACE.
I EVERSHORT OF PULLING THE HOUSE TOTE STREET YOU WILL NOT GET THERE. THE 50 BY 100 FOOT LOTS ARE ON A SMALLER FOOTPRINT IS DIFFICULT ON ACCOMMODATE REASONABLE SIZE HOME THIS IS NOT A LARGE HOME. SO -- DEFER TO PUT FORWARD A MOTION I FEEL LIKE MAY BE THEY ARE IN MAJORITY IN THIS CASE.
YEA. WOULD 1 OF YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? NOBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION? ANYBODY WANT TOP MAKE A MOTION? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MECHANISM IS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK JOHN TO COME BECOME WITH ANOTHER
CONCEPT. >> ASK TO CONTINUE TO ANOTHER
>> MIKE, MOVE TO CONTINUE IT. I WILL GET YOU A SECTION.
I WILL SECTION IT. TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE AGENDA?
DECEMBER 17TH. >> WE DID THE NEXT AVAILABLE.
IN CASE. MOVED FOR PANDEMIC MIGHT HAPPEN.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, DISCUSSION.
I THAN WAS TOUGH ONE. ABSOLUTELY.
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>> WE HAVE DONE THIS AT A MEETING ITSELF.
IF THERE IS A VARIANCE, FWRING BRING IT ALL.
>> MAKE SURE UNDERSTAND A VARIANCE IN THERE.
WHY GOT IT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[5. BOARD BUSINESS]
>> STAFF REPORT. WE ARE IN BOARD BUSINESS.
NO BOARD BUSINESS. UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING A MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION.
>> I'D LIKE TO BRING SOMETHING UP.
FIRST WHAT DOES EVERYBODY FEEL LIKE IF WE FIGURE OUT HOW ON REMOVE PGT WINDOWS FROM NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND OLD TOWN. YOUR REASON FOR THAT IS? I DON'T FEEL THEY ARE OF THE QUALITY HAD THEY GUN EVERYBODY COMPLAINS WHY DO YOU LET THE VINYL WINDOWS IN THE HISTORIC
DISTRICT >> WE CAN PUT IT AS AN ENEMY ON THE NEXT AGENDA. NOT THURSDAY.
IDE SAY THE GLASS WINDOWS SO CLOSE TO THE OUTSIDE EDGE OF THE SASH WELL IS NO DEPTH IN THE SASH IS LOOK THE THE HISTORIC LOOK WE WOULD LOOK FOR IN A WINDOW TYPE.
WE WILL BRING THAT UP. OTHER FWOORD BUSINESS.
>> CAN WE PLACE A MORATORIUM ON THIS UNTIL THE QUESTION HAS BEEN
HEARD AND DECIDE SND >> YOU MEAN NOT APPROVE THEM.
WE CAN ASK STAFF IT DISCOURAGE NEL THEY COME IN.
AND TELL POEM WHEN THAT I WILL APLOY THEY MAY NOT BE WELL
WHY YOU GOT THE STAFF DOING THE WORK.
>> COUNCIL. >> I DO I IT IS OCTOBER AND WE KNOW WE HAVE A MEETING THIS WOKE I DON'T THINK NOT ANOTHER SCHEDULE THIRD DEGREE AMONG THE NEXT IN NUMBER I WILL SAY FOR ALL OF YOU TO BE HOW WE -- HAD OUR FULL BOARDS HERE.
AND WE ARE NOT ABLE TO SET UP HERE 6 FEET APART.
I DEMEANOR IS EXPECT THE GOVERN WILL NOT EXTEND HIS ORDER,LLOWING FOR THE VIRTUAL MEETINGS AFTER NOVEMBER FIRST.
SO NOVEMBER YOU SHOULD PLAN TO BE HERE IN PERSON.
THE CITY COMMISSION I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF HAVING I BURDEN AS LONG AS A PHYSICAL QUORUM FOR YOUR BOARD THIS MEANS 4 MEMBERS HAVE TO BE HOAR IN CHAMBERS. I CAN SAY YOU CAN APPEAR BY ZOOM THE COMMISSION SAYS IF WORE HERE AT CITY COMMISSIONERS. AND I WANT TO YOU BEEN THAT.
WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE BOARD MEMBERS.
I WANT TOMIC THAT CLEAR YOU DO A GREAT JOB BUT NODE TO THINK ABOUT YOURSELF AND IN NOVEMBER YOU WILL HAVE TO BE HOAR IN
PERSON FOR TWO MEETINGS. >> AND WE WILL AM SEPARATE EVERYBODY. SOME UP HERE.
SOME IT IS AWKWARD BUT IT WORKS AND SOME SIT DOWN THE A STTABLE.
WE WILL NOT AS LONG AS THE VIRUS IS AROUND.
ALLOW WILL THE FULL CAPACITY IN THE CHAMBERS EVEN THOUGH WE ARE HERE IN PERSON. WE HAVE IT YOU CAN'T SO FROM THE COME ARE NOW IF YOU LOCKED ALL OF OUR SEATS ARE AT LEAST SIX FEET APART. THERE ARE 10 CHAIRS AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC. WE DOPE ALLOW THEM TO STAND AGAINST THE BACK WALLS. ANYBODY THAT THES IT SPOKE IF HAY ARE CASE THEY WANT TO SPEAK ON IS NOT UP THEY WIT IN THE HALL. A MAX OF 4 PEOPLE ALLOWED.
EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO BE OUTSIDE.
I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW PERSONAL LOW AND ALSO I FOAL IS MY OBLIGATION. THE SOCIAL DISTANCE THING AND AS LONG AS I'M AT A BOARD MEETING WE'LL MAINTAIN SOCIAL DISTANCING I DON'T YOU TO FEEL LIKE TELL GET OUT OF CONTROL IF WE DON'T
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HAVE A POLICE OFFICER AM ANYBODY WOULD LISTEN.THEY WILLVILLE TO SAFE IN TERMS OF DISTANCING.
I WAS CONCERNED THEY WANT ONCE THE
>> I'M OLD SO -- ALL OF US IS A CONCERN WE ARE NOT IN YOU KNOW THE CAMP THINK THIS THIS STHING IN THE A BIG DEAL.
WE WILL PROTECT THOSE SERVING THIS COMMUNITY WHETHER YOU GET PAID OR NOT. IF I'M AT THE MEETING OR IF I HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER ATTORNEY COVER THE MEETING DON'T FEAR I WILL MAKE SURE THAT ATTORNEY KNOWS THEY DON'T GET PAID UNLESS THEY MAINTAIN SOCIAL DISTANCING. FIRST AM EVERYBODY HAS TO WIR A
>> THANK YOU. YOU ARE WELCOME AND I MEAN I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S FEAR. I FEEL THE SAME WAY AS YOU DO.
UPON TELL ME. DU SAY NEXT TWO MEETINGS.
>> THERE IS ONE IN NOVEMBER. THERE WILL BE A DECEMBER MEETING. I WANT TO THANK TAMMY AND HE
MIKE. >> THERE WILL BE CHRISTMAS THIS YEAR? [LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT I WANT TO
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THANK TAMMY AND HE MOTORCYCLE FOR PARTICIPATE NEGLIGENT WATER FRONT PLANS MEETING THIS AFTERNOON.IT WAS THE -- NOT SURE IF WE GOT NEW VOICES.
JULIE FER ERA WAS THOUGHTFUL AND HELPFUL.
IT WAS GREAT. YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IF YOU HAVE NOT PARTICIPATED TO GO TO THE HUB GAYLE BY OCTOBER 18TH AND SUBMIT COMMENTS INTERESTING ELSE? I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING SINCE MENTION THE HUB.
WHEN YOU ARE SEEING ARE CONCEPT DRAWINGS.
NOT ENGINEERED DRAWINGS. WE HAD COMMENTS LIKE LOOK WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY PARKING SPACES.
THESE ARE CONCEPT PLANS NOT ENGINEERED PLANS, WELL IS MORE PARK NOTHING THIS PLAN. A FEW.
>> THIS IS THE POINT OF FEEDBACK TO HEAR WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE WHEN YOU GET TO MORE DETAILS DRAWING
>> THANK YOU. >>
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