[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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>> CLOSE ENOUGH. CALL TO ORDER.
LET'S DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
MCCARTHY. VICE CHAIR MILLS, RECORDING SECRETARY HERE. MEMBER BLANCHARD.
MEMBER LACROSSE, MEMBER LINESHAH AND MEMBER LEWIS.
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
>> APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. IS ROLL CALL.
VICE CHAIR MILLS, YES. MEMBER BLAINE CHARD.
YES. BLBLANCHARD.MEMBERRINGS DECKER.
MEMBER STEWART. >> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC
COMMENTS? >> NOBODY AT THIS TIME, MOVE ON
[6.1 Mooring Field Lorelei Jacobs will provide updates on the Mooring Field and other Marina projects]
TO OLD BUSINESS. >> MOORING FIELDS, JACOBS.
>> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> LORELEI JACOBS.
1 MARSH HAWK, FERNANDINA BEACH. THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR MILLS AND THANK YOU ALL FOR THE INVITATION TO BE HERE BEFORE Y'ALL TODAY TO TALK ABOUT MY FAVORITE SUBJECT, GRANTS.
WE'LL GO OVER SEARCH OPEN FIND GRANTS REAL BRIEFLY AND I'LL JUST BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. SO AS YOUR HANDOUT SHOWS, RECENTLY CLOSED GRANT, NUMBER 1 ON YOUR ATTACHED SUMMARY AND THE REASON I INCLUDE THAT ONE IS WE JUST GOT THE CHECK ON FRIDAY SO IT'S NEAR AND DEAR, I HAVE A CHECK FOR $69,000 THAT I NEED TO DELIVER TO FINANCE. THE TWO OPEN GRANTS THAT ARE NUMBER 2 AND NUMBER 3, PERTAIN OOUR MOO MOORING FIELDS, THEY WL NOT REIMBURSE YOU FOR THOSE PLANNING AND DOCUMENTS UNTIL YOU HAVE A CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT SIGNED.
THESE TWO ARE BOTH OPENED AND PEND PENDING, 56,485.
WHICH WILL BE REIMBURSED TOWTION ONCE WE SUBMIT THAT.
MOVING ON TO OPEN GRANTS, THIS IS A GRANT THAT WANTED TO FUND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FIELD DOCK AND THE THE NORTHERN ATTENUATOR AND ALSO THE POWER SYSTEMS ON THE NORTHERN ATTENUATOR. WE HAVE ACCRUED SELL ON THAT.
SOME ON THAT. WE HAVE MANY ACCRUED, HOWEVER I WON'T BE CLOSING THIS OUT UNTIL THE FEMA SITUATION IS CLOSED OUT BECAUSE THE CITY'S PORTION, SOME OF THOSE CAN I GET REIMBURSED ON THIS GRANT SO IT'S A HOLDING PATTERN.
NUMBER 7, PUBLIC BOAT DOCKING FACILITIES, THIS IS A GRANT WE RECEIVED TO ELEVATE OUR BOATER SHOWER FACILITY AND TO IMPROVE AND EXPAND ITS CAPACITY. NO WORK HAS STARTED ON THAT.
THE CITY IS LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT THIS PROJECT IN A TIME LINE THIS MAKES SENSE FOR THE CITY'S INTERESTS BUT IT IS SCHEDULED TO BE CLOSED, ARE BY SEPTEMBER OF 2021 AND WE ARE SUBJECT TO AN EXTENSION THAT COULD GO TO 2022. NUMBER 6, THIS IS THE ONE I SENT YOU TODAY BECAUSE I JUST GOT THE AWARD LETTER ON FRIDAY.
IT IS REALLY HE A RESILIENCY PROJECT.
ELEVATING IT FOR RESILIENCY AND THEN TO EXTEND ITS -- THE BOARDWALK'S REACH BEHIND THE PARK PLOT THAT IS WHERE THE CHILDHOOD GAMES ARE PLAYED. AND THEN WE ARE ALREADY IN THE FUTURE. NEXT YEAR'S GRANT APPLICATION WHICH IS DUE MARCH OF 2021 IS THE ONE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO FUND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE MOORING BALLS.
RIGHT NOW, THE WORK THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED ON THAT, WE CAN EXPAND
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INTO 60 ADDITIONAL MOORING BALL SITES.THE CITY HAS FUNDED $225,000. 112,000 IS THE FIND FUNDS AND WITHIN THAT TYPE OF BUDGET WE CAN FUND APPROXIMATELY 30 TO 34 NEW MOORING BALLS. WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE NEW VENDOR, OASIS, AND ARE SEEKING THEIR INPUT IF THEY FIND THIS TO BE A FISCALLY SOUND NUMBER OR IF THEY WOULD RECOMMEND ADJUSTMENT.
THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE. >> SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT OASIS AGREES THAT WHAT, THE 30 TO 40 MOORING BALLS IS GOOD?
>> THEY'VE NOT REPLIED, THEY'VE REPLIED THAT THEY RECEIVED MY INQUIRY AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DATA.
>> THEY HAVEN'T RESPONDED. >> THEY HAVE NOT.
>> AND THESE MOORING BALLS WILL BE WITHIN THE CURRENT BOUNDARY MARKERS FOR MOORING FIELD AT THE TIME?
>> IT WAS AN EXPANDED FOOT PRINT, PART OF WHAT WE CONTRACTED FOR. WE HAD TO DO AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL SURVEY, AND THEY FOUND A PREHISTORIC RIVER THERE.
WE FOUND AN ANALYSIS OF 72 SITES BUT BECAUSE OF SOME HISTORIC ARTIFACTS THEY COULD ONLY APPROVE 60 WITHOUT ADDITIONAL
STUDY. >> SO THE CURRENT BOUNDARY WILL
>> THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT UP, THE COAST GUARD WAS ABOUT TO GO OUT AND SURVEYS THE CURRENT BOUNDARIES, SO WE'RE GOING TO
>> THE COAFGHTD HAS TO PUT DOWN THE CURRENT BOUNDARY BEFORE CAN YOU LEGALLY USE IT FOR THE COAST GUARD AND THEY WERE GOING TO GO OUT AND SURVEYS IT TO MAKE IT BIG ARE AND WE'RE GOING DO HAVE TO DELAY IT. YOU CAN STILL USE IT, IT'S NOT ANY CHARTS, LEGALLY ON ANY CHARTS.
>> YES, WE HAVE THE ALL THE CHARTING FOR THE NEW FOOTPRINT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS THAT I'M SURE JOE WILL PROVIDE TO YOU. IS THERE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH
THAT COAST GUARD SURVEY WORK? >> SAY AGAIN?
WE HAVE TO GO OUT THERE TO EVERY BYBAYOU.
BOUEY. >> I DON'T KNOW IN THAT IS INCLUSIVE STLED COAST GUARD, DO YOU KNOW JOE?
>> AT THIS TIME MR. BLANCHARD I WOULD SUGGEST YOU GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT YOU HAVE IN PLAGUES. THIS MOORING PROJECT MOVED DOWN THE ROAD, IT MAY CHANGE WHEN OASIS COMES IN BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE HAVE ALL THE PERIMETER WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED
TO. >> THE TRUCKIE PART OF ABOUT IN GRANT IS, I HAVE TO HAVE A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT IN A TIMELY WAY, THAT GRANT IS DO YOU IN MARCH OF 2021.
SO I NEED ALL THE PERMITTING THAT'S REQUIRED TO DEFINITELY BE DONE BY MARCH OF NEXT YEAR. SO I'M SENSITIVE TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT TIME LINE YOU'RE PRODUCING, WHO
REQUIRES THAT COAST GUARD WORK? >> NOBODY.
WE DO IT FOR FREE. WE'RE THE BEST THING THE COAST GUARD'S GOT. WE WORK FOR NOTHING AND THEY
LIKE USING US. >> THAT'S GREAT.
THAT'S ON THE ADDITIONAL LAYER OF PERMITTING THAT I'LL AT LEAST INCLUDE IN THE PERMITTING BECAUSE IT IS AFTE AN ASSET TO E
>> COLEMAN. >> SORRY IF I WAS SPEAKING HERE.
>> COME ON UP IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO HEAR YOU.
>> QUESTION I HAVE IS NUMBER 6, THAT BUDGET ITEM, IS THAT COMING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MARINA ENTERPRISE FUND?
I WAS CURIOUS. >> THE BOARDWALK MATCH IS FROM OUR GENERAL FUND. JOE, OUR MATCH IS ALWAYS FROM THE GENERAL FUND ISN'T IT HISTORICALLY?
>> CORRECT. >> IT'S NOT A HUGE ISSUE BUT IF WE COULD CLARIFY, WITH THE MARINA BOARDWALK PROJECT I'M NOT
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SURISTS A DIRECT RESERVES TO THE MARINA ITSELF.>> THAT'S PARKS AND RECREATION. >> IF YOU READ THE PAPERWORK THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO FIND ON THAT YOU YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT THE MARINA IS BIGGER THAN WHAT WE HAVE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE. IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU GO DOWN THERE, KEEP GOING, FIND RIGHT THERE THAT LITTLE RED SPOT YOU NOTICE WHERE THE RAILROAD TRACKS ARE? DA DA AND YOU KNOW THAT LAND IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE REC DEPARTMENT. IT'S NOT PART OF THE MARINA DEPARTMENT WHICH IS KIND OF INTERESTING WHICH WORRIED ME SOMEWHAT WHEN I READ ALL THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WENT INTO FIND, IT IS A FERNANDINA MARINA FLOOJT HAS A LOT MORE TO DO WITH THE REC DEPARTMENT THAN THE MARINA.
THE DOCUMENTATION SAYS THAT THAT BOARDWALK IS TO HELP THE BOATERS TO GO TO DOWNTOWN. BUT ONLY IF THEY WERE GOING TO GO VISIT RANIER LOAN AWAY. SO THAT'S SOMEWHAT WORRISOME.
>> YOU STILL HAVE GRAY STOAB AGAIN THE MARINA BOUNDARIES AND THE GENERAL FUND BOUNDARIES. WE HAD THAT QUESTION BEFORE.
>> CHIP COULD YOU COMMENT ON THAT? WHAT THE BOUNDARY WAS BETWEEN THE PARK AND THE MARINA.
WHAT WE WOULD UNDERSTAND ALWAYS UPLANDS IS --
>> ALL CITY-OWNED LAND. >> YES BUT DID YOU LOOK THAT SUBMISSION TO FIND IT SAYS THIS IS A MARINA PROJECT.
IT IS NOT A REC DEPARTMENT PROJECTS.
>> BUT THEY WILL BE ACCESSING -- >> WORD THAT THE REC DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WHEN SAW UNDER DEPARTMENT YOU SAY MARINA ON YOUR FORM THAT YOU SUBMIT IN. INSTEAD OF SAYING REC
DEPARTMENT. >> WELL, THAT DOT WHERE PARKING LOT D AND C IS THAT IS FOR SHORT TERM BOATING AND THEY WILL HAVE
TO GO ACROSS THAT BOARDWALK. >> IF YOU RIDE THAT YOU'LL FIND
IT'S INTERESTING. >> ANYWAY WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO SHIFT THE MONEY RESPONSIBILITY TO SOME OTHER ENTITY I THOUGHT I WOULD POINT THAT OUT NOT THAT IT WOULD MAKE
ANY DIFFERENCE. >> TO ME IT'S A LITTLE WORRISOME TO FIND MONEY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO SUPPORT BOATERS AND THE USE OF THE ICW, AND THE MARINA, ARE BEING USED TO -- LOOKS LIKE TO SUPPORT A PARK. WHICH IS SOMEWHAT INTERESTING BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE MARINA IN THE BOATS ARE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO VISIT THE PARK UNLESS THEY ARE TAKING
THEIR DOGS OVER THERE. >> WOULD YOU COME TO THE
MICROPHONE. >> DO YOU HAVE THAT LIST OF
>> A LOT OF IT IS WATERFRONT PARKS.
>> FIND FUNDS WATER FRONT PARK. >> ACCORDING TO THE WAY THAT WAS
WORDED -- >> ON THIS NUMBER SHEET RIGHT HERE THAT MS. JACOBS SENT US, PROBABLY A DOZEN DIFFERENT
COUNTY MARINA PARK CANOE, LEMON BLUFF PARK.
>> I THINK IF WE LOOKED AT WHAT THOSE PARKS COMPARED TO THOSE HE
RIVER FRONT PARK, ANY HOWE SO ANYHOW.FIRST TIME I SAW THAT
APPLICATION WAS TODAY. >> FIRST TIME I SAW THAT WAS
TODAY AS WELL. >> I COULD ADD TO THAT.
RESILIENCY HAS THE PRIORITY AND THAT IS MRS. A RESILIENCY
>> FIND HAS RESILIENCY, AS ONE OF THEIR FUNDABLE PRIORITIES AND THIS IS A RESILIENCY PROJECTS. CCONCEPTUALLY, OF WHICH THIS IS
THE PIECE. >> IF I NOTICE IN THIS SUBMISSION THAT FIND CAME BACK AND SAID THERE WERE A BUCH EVER PROJECTS THEY COULDN'T FUND THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF LACK OF MONEY.
THERE WERE OTHER ENTITIES ALONG THE ICW THAT DIDN'T GET THE NOIRN FOR THEIR PROJECTS. I JUST THINK IT'S INTERESTING.
THANK YOU MA'AM. >> WHAT IS THE SCHEDULE TO STARTS? THE BOARDWALK?
>> WHEN IS IT SCHEDULED TO START,.
>> YES, CONSTRUCTION. >> THEY JEAJ, WE HAVE TO RECEIVE A CONTRACT FROM FIND BUT THOSE COULD START IMPLEMENTATION
AROUNDS OCTOBER. >> OF THIS YEAR?
>> YES. >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS? >> YES, SIR, I GOT ONE.
MR. MILLS. FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE ON NUMBER 6, DOES THIS WORK IN CONNECTION WITH THE EXISTING
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WATERFRONT PLANS THAT ARE OUT RIGHT NOW THAT ARE BEINGCOMMENTED ON? >> I'M SORRY, MR.--
>> IF WE'RE DOING ASHORELINE PROJECT AND WE'RE DOING RESILIENCY DOES THIS WORK IN TANDEM WITH THE EXISTING PLANS
THAT ARE RIGHT NOW FOR THE -- >> YES, EXACTLY.
BIG PRICE STAG TO THE ORPHAN CREDIT RECRUITMENT PROJECT, THE ONE I ANY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RESILIENCY LIMITATION GRANT FOR 500,000, THAT THE MEANS OF PURSUING IS FOR ANOTHER PART OF THIS WATERFRONT, DEVELOPMENT PIECE, RESILIENCY.
>> THANKS. >> SO HOW ELEVATE IS THIS
BOARDWALK GOING TO BE? >> SO I MIGHT LET MR. MARTIN SPEAK TO THAT BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, MR. MARTIN COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT? INTERI MEAN IS IT LIKE A COUPLE OF FEET OR I DON'T KNOW. IT'S ELEVATED.
>> FIRST TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS, IT'S VERY CLEAR IN THE APPLICATION THAT THIS IS A BOARDWALK TO SUPPORT BOATER ACCESS TO THE NEW REPLY CREATE CANNED GREEN SPACE.
FIND APPROVED THIS. THIS WAS THE APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED, WE RECEIVED FIND FUNDING, IT IS TO SUPPORT VOTER ACTIVITY. OBVIOUSLY FIND IS SATISFIED WITH IT. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT WE NEED TO SATISFY CA, SO THEY ARE SATISFIED WITH IT.
THIS IS PARTLY OF THE RESILIENCY PLAN THAT WILL CREATE A BERM AND THE BOARDWALK WILL BE ON PART OF THE BERM AS PART OF THE RESILIENCY. IT WILL BE AT A MINIMUM ELEVATION OF NINE FEET ABOVE, MET BY THE CITY COMMISSION.
>> THIS WILL BE IN THE GREEN SPACE AREA?
>> IT WILL MIMIC THE AREA WHERE THE EXISTING BOARDWALK IS.
>> AND THEN GO AROUND THE ROADS RIGHTS?
>> CORRECT. NOT ALL THE WAY AROUND.
>> PARDON? >> IT DOES NOT ENCOMPASS THE ENTIRE GREEN SPACE. BUT AS MR. LAURIE POINTED OUT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WATERFRONT PLAN CONCEPT, IT IS A CONCEPT NOT A PLAN, THE CONCEPT OUT THERE DOES DEPICT THE GENERAL LOCATION OF WHERE THE BOARDWALK IS INTENDED TO GO.
>> IS THIS BOARDWALK REPLACE THE BOARDS WALK THAT IS RIGHT HERE
IN FRONT? >> NO, THIS IS ONLY SOUTH OF THE
BOAT RAMP. >> PARKING LOT D AND C?
>> NITZ FOOT ELEVATION, CORRECT. >> COOL.
>> NOT NINE FEET ABOVE THE GROUND?
>> NINE FEET ABOVE MEAN HIGH WATER.
>> CORRECT. WE'RE NOT CREATING A NINE FOOT
WALL. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. JACOBS. WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE DEL, WE'RE
[6.2 RFP 202020 Transition Plans City Manager Dale Martin will provide an update and answer questions]
GOING TO START ON THE RFP 2020-20.>> THERE IS THE TRANSITION IS ONGOING.
THERE IS A WEEKLY PHONE CALM. SINCE I WAS ON VACATION I WAS NOT PART OF THE PHONE CALL LAST WEEK WITH OASIS OFFICIALS.
MS. BACH HAS BEEN EXCHANGING E-MAILS FOR PROPOSED AGREEMENT.
THE INTENT IS TO HAVE THE AGREEMENT IN DRAFT FORM COMPLETED BY OCTOBER 16TH. SO THAT IT CAN THEN BE PRESENTTO THE CITY COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 4TH WITH AN ANTICIPATED TRANSITION DATE OF DECEMBER 1ST.
>> QUESTION, CAN WE SEE IT BEFORE YOU VOTE ON IT?
>> YES, THE CITY COMMISSION'S TASKED US TO GIVE IT TO YOU.
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT AT YOUR LAST MEETING IN OCTOBER BEFORE IT GOES TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 4TH.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> HOW LONG IS THE TRANSITION PERIOD BETWEEN HAND-OVER OR IS IT JUST ONE DAY OR WHAT?
>> ONE DAY. >> HAVE THEY BEEN WORKING, THE NOTES FROM THE CONFERENCE CALL LAST WEDNESDAY THAT I RECEIVED FROM OASIS INDICATE THEY'D MR. FRY, MR. SPRINGER, AND ONE
OTHER, RICHARD -- >> JOHN LEWIS.
>> JOHN WAS ON THE CALL ON BEHALF OF WESTREC, AND THERE WERE TWO REPRESENTATIVES OF OASIS, THEY WENT OVER TRANSITION OF SUPPLIES AND EQUIPMENT, PERSONNEL, THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> SO THIS JUST HAPPENED IN 24 HOURS.
>> IT'S BEING WORKED ON. >> I KNOW HONESTLY BE PREPARED
FOR IT BUT THE ACTUALITY -- >> OASIS AND WESTREC HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT THE TRANSITION WILL HAPPEN ON DECEMBER 1ST.
>> THE PAPERWORK, CAN WE SEE IT OUR NEXT MEETING OR CAN WE HAVE IT E-MAILED TO US? SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT?
>> THE GOAL IS TO HAVE IT IN DRAFT FORM, THE FINAL DRAFT COMPLETED BY OCTOBER 16TH. AND FROM WHAT MY INFORMAL
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DISCUSSIONS WITH MS. BACH ARE, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE SIMILAR TO THE CURRENT AGREEMENT WITH WESTREC THAN WHAT OASIS PROVIDED TO US AS THEIR STANDARD TEMPLATE.>> RIGHT SO YOU'RE USING THE WESTREC MODEL TO BUILD?
>> YES. AND IT'S BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTHWITH RED LINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A COPY AFTER THE DRAFT IS COMPLETED AND BEFORE IT GOES TO THE CITIES COMMISSION.
>> IS THERE GOING TO HAVE ANY PROVISION FOR, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T COME THROUGH WITH WHAT THEY PLANNED AS FAR AS THE FUNDS, PENALTY CLAUSE FOR THAT AND A REWARD CLAUSE IF THEY DO A WHOLE LOT BETTER? IS ANY OF THAT IN THE CONTRACT?
>> TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, NO.
>> I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. THE LAST CITY COMMISSION MEETING, THE COMMISSIONERS MADE AN EXCEPTION FOR THE FEE SCHEDULE FOR MARINA AND THE GOLF COURSE.
AND TO ME, THIS KIND OF OPPOSITE IT UOPENSITS UP IF AS AIST HAS E ABILITY WHENEVER THEY WANT THEY CAN PRETTY MUCH WRITE THEIR OWN PAYCHECK. BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING THEM AN OPEN TICKET. BECAUSE THEIR WHOLE FEE SCHEDULE IS BASED ON ONE AND A HALF PERCENT OF DOCK FEES.
THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO RAISE DOCK FEES ANY TIME THEY WANT, THAT GIVES THEM A PRETTY MUCH OPEN COLLECT BOOK.
THEY CAN WRITE THEIR OWN PAYCHECK.
>> WELL -- >> UNLESS THERE IS SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS PUT INTO YOUR CONTRACT OR NOT ON HOW MUCH THEY CAN RAISE RATES.
>> I BELIEVE SOME OF THE INFORMAL DISCUSSION WAS THERE WOULD BE A RESCUE CLAUSE THAT SHOULD THERE BE CONCERNS VOICED ABOUT IT THE CITY HAS FURTHER RIGHT TO FURTHER NEGOTIATE THOSE
RATES OR REVIEW THOSE RATES. >> AS IT IS RIGHT NOW THEY CANNOT RAISE RATES OR DO ANYTHING UNLESS YOU ALL GIVE THE
OKAY TO IT. >> THAT WAS CHANGED.
AS MR. STEWART INDICATED, THAT THE GOLF COURSE RATES AND THE MARINA RATES WERE DANE OUT OF THE FEE SCHEDULE, SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BE FLEXIBLE IN THEIR FEE SETTING.
>> AND AT ANY TIME COMPENSATION FORMULA BASED ON REVENUE FROM
SLIP RENTALS? >> SLIP RENTALS AND MOORING
RENTALS. >> YOU CAN SET THE RATE WHAT YOU WANT. IF THEY DON'T RENT IT, THEY DON'T GET ANY MONEY. IT'S ALL BASED ON REVENUE.
THEY CAN SET THE FEE FOR WHATEVER THEY BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE COMPETITIVE BUT THEY'VE GOT TO GET BOATERS TO PAY THOSE FEES BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY GET COMPENSATED IS THE MONEY COMING
IN. >> THE MODEL, CITY COMMISSIONERS WILL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THEIR INTENT AS MR. DECKER IS POINTING OUT IF YOU HAVE AN EMPTY SLIP, AND THE BOATER'S PASSING BY, THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO SIGH OKAY WE'LL CHARGE YOU HALF OF WHAT WE'D NORMALLY CHARGE JUST TO GET SOMEBODY IN HERE TO GET SOME REVENUE.
>> IT IS LIKE A HOTEL DOES. >> CORRECT.
>> I UNDERSTAND VARIABLE RATES FOR TRANSIENT BUT IF THEY ALL OF A SUDDEN WANT TO KICK OUT ALL THE REGULARS, WHAT STOPS THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO DO THAT OR WHAT KEEPS THEM IN CHECK?
THAT'S MY POINT. >> I THINK WITH THAT WE'LL WORK ON GETTING THAT SPELLED OUT IN THE AGREEMENT.
>> AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. >> I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THAT IN THEIR BUSINESS MODEL BUT IT'S THEIR BUSINESS MODEL, NOT MINES.
>> YOU CAN SEE THE CONCERNS DX BUSINESSES THERE ACKNOWLEDGE THE BUSINESSES CAN BE THROWN OUT OF BUSINESS IF THE FEE GOES UP TO A POINT WHERE THE TRANSIENTS COME IN, AND THE BUSINESSES HAVE TO
GO SOMEWHERE. >> I HOPE IT HELPS, I OFFERED A ROUGH PARALLEL TO COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH.
THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TRANSIENTS AT THE AIRPORT THAT ARE RENT HANGARS, BUT THE WAITING LIST ON HANGARS WAS IS 25 TO 30 PEOPLE BEFORE THE AIRPORT RAISED THEIR RATES.
WE DID A MARKETING STUDY AND RAISED THEIR RATES.
SINCE THE RATES HAVE BEEN RAISED, THE WAITING LIST THAT IS GROWN TO ALMOST 100 PEOPLE. I THINK CAN YOU DOCUMENT IT'S A WELL RUN FACILITY. YOU WILL CONTINUE TO MEET THE DEMAND AND I THINK THEY RECOGNIZED THAT THERE IS A NEED
TO SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES. >> WELL, THERE'S ONLY ONE PROBLEM WITH THAT THOUGHT. THAT IS, THERE IS ONLY ONE AIRPORT ON THIS ISLAND AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF MARINAS.
>> RIGHT, I HAVE NO DOUBT AS MR. DECKER ALLUDED TO THAT IF
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THE PRICE BECOMES COST PROHIBITIVE, THEN THE NEWMANAGEMENT -- >> THE THING THAT CONCERNS ME I DON'T KNOW WHAT LIMITATION YOU'RE PUTTING ON THEM IN THE CONTRACT SO THEY CAN WILLY-NILLY RAISE RATES EVERY WEEK IF THEY WANT TO OR THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT ONCE A YEAR OR WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR CONTRACT'S BEING SET UP CURRENTLY. BUT RIGHT NOW, THEY COULD RAISE RATES EVERY DAY IF THEY WANTED TO.
THEORETICALLY. AND JACK IT UP TO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO RUN WHOEVER OFF. OR, IN TURN, TO TRY TO GET OTHER BUSINESS. AND I THINK THAT'S GIVEN THE VENDOR AN OPEN -- THE ABILITY TO HAVE AN OPEN CHECK.
>> AND WHAT DID I ASK MR.-- THE GENTLEMAN WITH OASIS UP AT THE PODIUM IF HE WAS GOING TO RAISE RATES THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHERE HE WAS GOING TO GET HIS MONEY FOR THE DOCK AN BECAUSE IT WAS SO HIGH INCREASE AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT TRANSIENT SLIPS, NOT PERMANENT, HE WASN'T GOING TO MESS WITH THE PERMANENT SLIPS, THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE BUT HE DID SAY HE WANTED TO DO FLEXIBILITY ON THE TRAN CHINTD RATE TO GET THEM IN, FILL THEM OR CHARGE THEM MORE WHEN THEY WERE FULL.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS A QUESTION THAT SHOULD BE ASKED
MAYBE OF OASIS. >> IT WILL BE ADDRESSED AS FARTHER OF THE CONTRACT AND YOU'LL SEE IT BEFORE IT GOES TO
THE CITY COMMISSION. >> DALE, I MADE MITE ADD, THAT THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF TIME LINE THAT WHEN A BODIER SIGNS UP FOR A SLIP, THEY CAN'T GO UP FOR SIX MONTHS --
>> AGAIN WOULD I SAY IF WE WAIT I'LL GLADLY PASS THAT ON THAT THERE BE SOME PROVISIONS FOR RECOGNIZING LONG TERM
COMMITMENTS. >> AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT MAYBE IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO GIVE SOME SORT OF A DISCOUNT THE TO THESE BOATERS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS.
>> I'M GOING TO DEFINITELY LEAVE THAT UP TO AS A ITS.
>> LIKE ALLEN AND ME, SCOTT IS GETTING UP THERE TOO.
>> THIS IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND THAT IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE MONEY.
SOMETIMES WE LOSE SIGHT OF THAT. THIS IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
IT IS SUPPOSE TO RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT AND SOMETIMES I THINK WE LOSE SIGHT OF THAT. SO IF OASIS -- OASIS WILL HAVE THEIR BUSINESS MODEL AND THAT IN THE EYES OF THE COMMISSION IS HOW THE BUSINESS MODEL IS GOING TO OPERATE AND YOU WILL SEE THE CONTRACT OR THE AGREEMENT BEFORE IT GOES TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
>> ALL RIGHT, ANYBODY GET ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE AMELIA
[6.3 Amelia River Waterfront City Manager Dale Martin will provide an update and answer questions]
RIVER FRONT. DALE.>> AS INDICATED OR ACCOUNTED FOR, I THINK MR. LAUREN MADE THE COMMENT THAT IT IS OPEN AND UP FOR COMMUNITY HUB TO OFFER YOUR COMMENTS. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER ROSS INVITED EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS TON COMMUNITY HUB. UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS AN ONGOING THE FIRST OF GO SCHEDULED ZOOM MEETINGS WITH THE PARK DESIGNERS AND CONSULTANTS, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON RIGHT NOW. THERE IS A SECOND ZOOM MEETING AND THEY CAN HOST UP TO I BELIEVE 60 PEOPLE ON THESE ZOOM MEETINGS. I THINK THE NEXT ONE IS SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 12TH, IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO I HAVE ONE IN THE EVENING 6 TO 7:30 IN THE EVENING AND ANOTHER ONE ON OCTOBER 12TH. I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO REVIEW THE PLAN OR THE CONCEPT AND OFFER YOUR COMMENTS ON THINGS YOU LIKE AND THINGS YOU DON'T LIKE.
>> HOW MUCH HAS BEEN SPENT SO FAR ON ALL THESE STUDIES FOR
THIS PARK? >> FRPROBPROBABLY GO BACK DECADD IT IS IN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
>> HOW MUCH IN THE LAST FEW YEARS?
>> PROBABLY CLOSE TO $80,000. >> ONLY 80?
>> CORRECT, ONLY AN ESTIMATE ON MY PARDON.
AND THEN AGAIN JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ALLOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE WERE, WHEN THE CITY DID THE NATIONAL SURVEY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, GOT DIRECTION FROM THE COMMUNITY AS PART OF THAT SURVEY, THEN WHEN WE BROUGHT THE CURRENT CONSULTANT IN, THE CURRENT CONSULTANT MET WITH THE CHAIRPERSON OF SEVERAL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, INCLUDING MR. MCCARTHY OF THIS LOOKED AT THE PLANS MR. BLANCHARD THAT YOU REFERRED TO, TRIED TO FIND THE COMMON THEME IN ALL OF THOSE, TRIED TO COME UP WITH CONCEPTS, PROVIDED THE CONCEPTS TO THE CITY COMMISSION IN JANUARY, THE CITY COMMISSION GAVE THEIR INPUT ON WHICH THEY THOUGHT WAS THE MOST IMPROVED. THERE WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED TO HAVE A PUBLIC FORUM AND CHARRETTE WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED IN APRIL, UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO THE PANDEMIC WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PULL THAT OFF.
THIS IS THE NEXT BEST ELECTRONIC THING TO DO POP I ENCOURAGE YOU
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AND EVERYBODY ELSE TO OFFER THEIR COMMENTS ON THE COMMUNITYHELP. >> SO HOW DOES THIS COME TO
CLOSURE? >> WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS AT THE COMPLETION OF THE COMMUNITY HUB WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR 30 DAYS, WHICH WILL BE SHORTLY OCTOBER 15TH, OCTOBER 18TH, WE WILL COMICOMPILE ALL IF PUBLIC COMME, FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GO FROM THERE. WHAT ARE HIGHLIGHTS, LOW LIGHTS, SHARE THOSE COMMENTS WITH THE CITY COMMISSION, FIGURE OUT WHAT
THE NEXT STEP IS. >> OKAY BASICALLY ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO KIND OF ROLL INTO THE CITY COMMISSION?
>> CORRECT. >> IN BOX IF YOU WILL.
>> YES. >> AND OUT OF THAT WILL COME
SOME KIND OF A NEXT STEP. >> CORRECT.
WHETHER WE MOVE INTO DESIGN, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE RAILROAD CROSSINGS. THERE'S A LOT OF COMPONENTS INVOLVED IN THIS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONCEPT SO THE SYNCHRON SYNCHRONIZATION OFF THOSE.
FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE STRENGTHS, WHAT ARE THE WEAKNESSES OF THE CONCEPT, TWEAK THEM AND DECIDE DO WE MOVE FORWARD, DO WE SET EIGHTH SIDE, WHAT'S THE PLEASURE.
>> IS THIS PARK ALSO GOING TO BE SITTING AT THAT NINE FOOT
ELEVATION? >> NO, THE BERM WILL SURROUND IT
AT THE NINE FOOT ELEVATION. >> SO IT WILL BE A WALL IN A
SENSE. >> THE BERM WILL SERVE AS A SEAWALL. THINK ARE DOING SHORELINE SUBSTANTIALLYIZATION TO THE WATER SIDE OF THE BERM.
>> SCOTT. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
WHEN I WENT ON THERE TO LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS AND ARRIVE
IREVIEPUT MY COMMENTSIN, TO TUR- >> WHEN WE WALKED DOWN THERE, THAT WILL BE INTEGRATED. THAT IS IN THE CONCEPT AND IF IT'S NOT CLEAR I'LL CLARIFY FOR YOU.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST A PAVED CUL-DE-SAC.
THEY REFER TO IT AS A TEARDROP. SO THERE WILL BE A STOP DOWN BY THE LIFT STATION, BEFORE YOU GET TO THE LIFT STATION BUT AFTER YOU PASS THE DUMPSTERS THERE WILL BE SUFFICIENT TEARDROP TURN AROUND SO THAT ANYBODY THAT DRIVERS DOWN THERE, PARKING IS
ALL FULL -- >> I COULDN'T SEE THAT ON THE
PICTURE OR THE CONCEPT DRAWING. >> THAT IS INCLUDED.
>> THAT WAS ONE OF MY COMMENTS. THAT'S AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN IF YOU DIDN'T PUT THAT IN THERE.
>> NO, THAT'S DEFINITELY DESIGNED TO GO IN THERE.
>> HOW MANY TRAILER PARKING PLACES ARE IN THERE?
>> I BELIEVE I COUNT BED 15 OR 16.
>> I SAW TEN. >> I COULDN'T MAKE IT OUT.
I WAS WONDERING. AND ONE MORE QUESTION.
ANYBODY HAVE A THING? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
IT'S NOT TO THE CITY MANAGER, IT'S TO THE BOARD.
SO IS THEREFULLY POSITION FOR US TO HAVE A BOARD POSITION ON THE POSITION ON THE PLAN OR IS IT UP TO US TO INDIVIDUALLY --
>> THAT BOARD CHAIRPERSON WAS TO BRING BACK AND SOLICIT COMMENTS ON COMMENT E, ON CONCEPT E FROM EACH BOARD AND COMMISSION.
THOSE COMMENTS WERE THEN SUBSEQUENTLY INTEGRATED INTO
WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY. >> SO KEVIN.
>> I WAS JUST CURIOUS, THE AREA BETWEEN BRETZ AND THE BOAT RAMP, THAT PART OF THE SHORELINE THAT HAS A LOT OF THE ISSUE WITH UNDERMINING, HOW IS THAT BEING ADDRESSED, KEEP SEEING THE SINKHOLES FOREVER AND EVER AND EVERY.
>> THAT'S PROBABLY MORE RELATED TO PASS WORLD'S RESILIENCY THEY PRESENTED THEIR PRELIMINARY CONCEPT AS A NEW TYPE OF PILING SYSTEM, MY DISCUSSION WITH THEM IT GOES ROUGHLY 80 FEET DOWN IN ORDER TO TRY TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING, AND STOP IT FROM HAPPENING, PREVENT FROM IT HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE.
BUT THAT IS A SUBSEQUENT PHASE. SO I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT PART -- WELL, YEAH, THAT PART'S NOT PART OF THE COMMUNITY HUB, THOSE RESILIENCY -- THE SEAWALL BUT THAT IS PART OF THE
RESILIENCY PLAN. >> I GOT A QUESTION.
IS THERE ANYONE WE CAN GET SOME EXPERTS TO LOOK AT THE BOAT RAMP? THE DURING THIS PROJECTS TO INCLUDE IT, MAYBE HAVE IT OKAYED FOR THREE-TRAILERED BOATS AGAIN?
>> I COULD FIND OUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DO SUCH A REVIEW.
>> WE ARE LOSING A LOT OF PEOPLE.
THEY'RE GOING DOWN TO THE OTHER BOAT RAMP, WHERE THE BIG BOATS.
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I DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S MONEY -->> I'LL FIND OUT WHAT IT WOULD ENTAIL TO DO SUCH A REVIEW.
>> I GOT A QUESTION DALE. I READ THAT PASTEROW HAS RECEIVED $395,000 SINCE NOVEMBER 19TH, 20TH ON ALL THE DRAWINGS FOR THIS MARINA PARK PROJECT, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> PASSERO HASN'T DONE MUCH WITH THE PARK ITSELF.
MASSERO HAS BEEN TASKED WITH THE RESILIENCY PROJECT, THE ELEVATIONS, THEY WERE TASKED BY THE CITY COMMISSION TO DEVELOP THE PLANS FROM THE 9 FOOT ELEVATION FROM RANIER TO THE
PORT. >> TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT'S GOING ON AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR STORM DRAINS BECAUSE OF THE BACKUP. I MEAN YOU HAD ESPANIA, DAVE AND CALHOUN PLUS H STREET WAS FLOOD THED DURING THIS TIME AND IT
WASN'T EVEN A BIG STORM. >> L THIS IS PART OF THE TRYING TO SYNCHRONIZE, TRYING TO GET ALL THESE PIECES TO DANCE AT THE SAME TIME, PART OF THE CITY HAS A GRANT THROUGH FEMA TO DO STORM WATER ON ALATCHOA STREET, WILL BE USED TOO HOLD STORM WATER BEFORE IT'S DISCHARGED INTO THE RIVER.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY DO ALATCHIA STREET.
TRYING TO GET THE TIMING AND SEQUENCING RIGHT, THAT IS ALSO PART OF THE BORING UNDER THE RAILROAD FOR THE NEW STORM WATER LINE, FPU HAS INDICATED THEY WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF CAN'TING WITH THE CITY WHEN WE DO THAT SO THE CITY MOVES FORWARD WITH THE UNDERGROUNDING UTILITIES. THEY CAN TAKE PART OF THAT SAME BORE AND PUT CONTRAC CONDUIT INS WELL.
>> TWO WEEKS AGO I SENT SOME PICTURES, IT'S NOT COMING THROUGH THE PIPE, IT'S COMING FROM ALL AROUND THE PIPE.
I'M NOT AN ENGINEER BUT DOES ANYBODY LOOK AT THAT? THAT COULD BE THE WAY THAT ROAD IS SAGGING.
>> I BELIEVE THE ZOO IN THAT MR. DESOLEY WAS WORKING ON --
>> TO SPAN ALL THIS PART, AND EVERYTHING.
>> WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR A PROJECT MANAGER TO OVERSEE THIS WHOLE THING? BECAUSE THAT'S A -- I'M WEARING MY TAXPAYER HAT FOR A SECOND. AND MY CONCERN IS THIS IS A HUGE $25 MILLION POTENTIALLY PROJECT WITH A BUNCH OF HUGE PHASES.
WHO IS SITTING DOWN AND PUTTING AN OVERALL PLAN TOGETHER WITH STEPS AND EVERYTHING? WE MAY BE A LITTLE ARE PRA ME
CHUR FOR THAT BUT -- >> NO, I'LL BE PREMATURE TELLING YOU, BECAUSE I'VE ONLY TOLD A COUPLE OF CITY COMMISSIONERS, AS YET. THE CITY ENGINEER HAS ACCEPTED AN OFFER AND HE HAS EXTENSIVE COASTAL MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE BOTH ON THE OCEAN SIDE, INVOLVED WITH BEACH RENEWAL PROJECTS ON TYBEE ISLAND AND DREDGING SEAWALL EXPERIENCE AS WELL, AND HE'LL BE ON BOARD AND BELIEVE ME I'M GOING TO PUNT THIS PROJECT
THE HIM AS QUICKLY AS UPON. >> DOES HE HAVE PROJECT MANAGER EXPERIENCE WHERE HE'S USED TO DOING COST AND SCHEDULE
VARIANCE? >> HE USED TO WORK IN THE ATLANTA, GEORGIA AREA, THEIR PORT MARINA WATERFRONT
OPERATIONS. >> I HAVE TWO ISSUES.
ONE DOES FEMA, OR THE FINE MONEY FOR YOUR BOARDWALK IS GOING TO THE WEST OF THE WATER FRONTS OKAY, BECAUSE IT CIRCLES AROUND.
WHERE COULDN'T THAT MONEY BE USED TO STABILIZE THE BOARDWALK THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE MARINA, THAT GOES FROM BASICALLY THE BOAT RAMP TOWARDS DURET RVETIONS? REMEMBER WE'RE HAVING ISSUES THERE WITH THE MUDSLIDING UNDER THE SEAWALL AND HOLES BEING GOUGED OUT OF THE SYSTEM AND YOU HAVE TO PUT UP SEA HORSES TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE DON'T AGAINLY STEP WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T.
ACCIDENTALLY STEP WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T.
SHOULDN'T THAT BE DONE AROUND THE PARK?
>> THIS WAS ABOUT THE WUNG AT E TIME, THEY HAD A MATRIX AT THE START THAT SAID WHAT FINES WERE, THE WATERFRONT PARK OR THE
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RESILIENCY WAS WAY UP AT THE TOP AND THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT TIED IT IN WITH THE ELEVATION UPGRADE ON THE SOUTH WAS DEEMEDTO BE MORE PRESCIENT. >> SECOND QUESTION.
YOU WANT TO PUT A WALL UP THAT IS BASICALLY NINE FEET ABOVE MEAN HIGH WATER FOR FLOOD PROCESS IN THE FUTURE, SURGES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, OKAY? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE THE
ESCAMBI SLOUGH? >> THAT IS A COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT ISSUE. >> TROUBLE IS YOU'RE BUILDING A WALL WITH THE HOSE COMING IN THE BACK DOOR, WHICH ASK KNOWN AS THE ESCAMBIA CREEK, AND IF YOU RAISE THE PORT UP TO ROCK 10, WATER'S JUST GOING TO COME IN THERE AND COME BACK THROUGH CALHOUN AND ALL THE OTHER PLACES AND WORK THEIR WAY BACK TO THE
CITY. >> THE CHARGE TO PUSSEROW STUDY AT THIS POINT NO TIME WERE FROM RANIER TO THE POINT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
>> CAN'T IT ALL AT ONE TIME. >> YEAH BUT YOU ALWAYS WANT TO HIT THE LOWEST LAND FRONT AND THAT'S THE LOWEST.
>> LOWEST LAND RIGHT NOW IS WHERE THE ALATCHERO STREET IS.
>> OKAY. >> GOOD TO GO WITH THAT ONE.
>> I JUST HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION, SORRY.
>> OKAY. >> SO WHAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP IN TIMING BETWEEN DOING ALL OF THIS BERM, OR ESPECIALLY IN FRONT OF THE MARINA, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THOSE 80 FOOT PILINGS IN, WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP IN TIMING BETWEEN STABILIZING THAT SHORELINE, AND BUILDING THE WATERFRONT PARK? IS THERE A RELATIONSHIP IN TIME, OR ARE THEY JUST FLOATING OUT INDEPENDENTLY OF EACH OTHER OR WHAT?
>> THEY'RE NOT INDEPENDENT OF EACH OTHER G OTHER BUT THERE IS SEQUENCING INVOLVED. I THINK BY STARTING AT THE SOUTH END, THE BERM AND THE BOARDWALK WHICH BASICALLY TAKES FRUS PHASE 1, PHASE ONE ACTUALLY FROM THE BOAT RAMP ALL THE WAY SOUTH.
BUT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE WHILE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE HANDLE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD THAT IS PHASE 1B.
PHASE 1A IS BASICALLY THE BERM AND THE BOARDWALK AND WHEN TALKING AWAY WITH RANIER ABOUT STENG, THE ORIGINAL WALL HAD A WALL GOING DOWN SOUTH FRONT STRAIGHT, FROM THAT TURN AROUND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MR. STEWART, ALL THE WAY TO WHERE FRONT STREET CURVED TOWARDS MR. COOK'S PROPERTY.
RANIER HAS WORKED WITH PASSEROU, STANDINGLY REDUCING THE COST.
I THINK WE CAN DO THE BERM AND THE BOARDWALK PROBABLY WITHIN
THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. >> AND HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO BUILDING THIS GREEN SPACE THAT THE PARK ENVISIONS?
>> THAT IS ALMOST NEARLY COMPLETE AS IT STANDS NOW.
>> OKAY. >> BUT SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL WORK, NORTH OF THAT, IS GOING TO BE NOT THIS YEAR.
>> WHERE THESE PARK LOTS GET REARRANGED --
>> THAT IS PART OF WHAT THE PROJECT MANAGER WOULD REINTEGRATE. THAT'S WHAT HE WOULD DO.
>> WE DON'T HAVE A TEMPORAL RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL OF THAT?
>> I BELIEVE IT MIGHT BE SHOWN ON THE COMMUNITY HUB.
THERE WAS SOME PHASING, PHASE 1, PHASE 2, PHASE 3, PHASE 4 AS PART OF THE PLAN PRESENTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
>> THAT WAS FOR THE RESILIENCY --
[6.6 FEMA Update]
>> NO, IT WAS FOR RG. >> 6.6, FEMA UPDATE.
>> WE SUBMITTED OUR APPEAL TO THE STATE AT THE END OF AUGUST.
THE STATE HAS 60 DAYS TO FORWARD THAT TO FEMA.
SO BASICALLY, FEMA STILL HAS, OR THE STATE HAS YET ANOTHER MONTH BEFORE THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT APPEAL FORWARDED TO THE FEDS AND THEN THE FEDS HAVE 90 DAYS TO RESPOND.
SO BASICALLY WE'RE IN BETWEEN. >> GIVING YOU SOME INFORMATION, I'M WORKING WITH SENATOR SCOTT'S OFFICE ON THAT.
>> I'M SORRY? >> I'M WORKING WITH SENATOR SCOTT'S OFFICE ON YOUR FEMA PROBLEM.
>> RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
AND WE'VE ALREADY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH SENATOR SCOTT,
SENATOR RUBIO. >> DOES IT SOUND LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO APPEAL OR DO YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO WRITE A COLLECT
OR FIGHT IT OUT TO THE END? >> IF I KNEW THE ANSWER TO THAT I'D PLAY THE LOTTERY ON THE WAY HOME.
YOU KNOW? THE GENERAL GUIDANCE OFFERED TO US IS IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR YOUR FIRST APPEAL TO BE REJECTED.
FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD YOUR FIRST APPEAL GOES TO THE PEOPLE, THAT ACTUALLY MADE THE INITIAL RULING.
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SO THEY'RE SOMEWHAT HESITANT TO UNDO WHAT THEY DID BEFORE.BUT THE CONSULTANTS THAT HAVE HELPED US CRAFT THE APPEAL ARE CONFIDENT THAT SHOULD WE HAVE TO APPEAL THE APPEAL, THE CITY
SHOULD BE IN GOOD STEAD. >> GOOD DEAL.
>> I TELL YOU WHAT'S GOOD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> YES, SIR. >> ABOUT MARINA PROJECT STATUS
[6.4 Marina Projects Status and Updates Cathy Chapman will provide an update and answer questions]
AND UPDATE. KATHY.>> KATHY CHAPMAN, 1625 OLD STEDD LANE.
MR. SPRINGER E-MAILED ME A BOARD OF QUESTIONS, I WAS ABLE TOO ANSWER THOSE, I'LL SURE THE INTENT IS TO GATHER INFORMATION NOTHING MORE THAN THAT. I DID WANT TO SHARE, AS A SEASONAL EMPLOY OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH.
I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO UNI ISN'T OR FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS OR THE OPERATING SYSTEM FOR THE CITY OF FIEB.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT.
I DO HAVE A CITY E-MAIL THAT'S ABOUT THE EXTENT OF IT.
BUT I AM WORKING ON YOUR DETAILED QUESTIONS, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CONDUCT SOME RECORD REQUESTS FOR THE QUESTIONS THAT DATE BACK TO 2018 AND 2019. SO THOSE PROJECTS OR THOSE CONSEQUENCE ARE GOING TO TAKE A QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER. I CAN SHARE ON A POSITIVE NOTE BEFORE WE GET STARTED, PERTAINING TO THE NORTHERN PHASE 2 DOCKS, WE'VE MADE GREAT PROGRESS ON THIS PROJECT AND WORKINGS AS A TEAM AND HAVING THE CITY ACT AS ITS OWN GENERAL CONTRACTOR SO TO SPEAK WE'VE SAVED THERE CITY A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR NOT HAVING A FENDER OR ANOTHER GENERAL CONTRACTOR HANDLE THIS PROJECT. I DID GET SOME FIGURES FROM PAULINE TESTAGROSS TODAY, $1,860,000, RECEIVED A CREDIT OF ALMOST $100 YOU,000 WHEN WE REMOVED A DOCK SECTION, ONE 13 BY 60 FOOT DOCK SECTION, REMOVED AT THE FUEL DOCK WHERE THE HOUSE IS NOW. THAT WAS A SAVINGS OF $95,000.
SO TOTAL TO DATE THE PROJECT STANDS AT $1,643,000.
SO WE'VE SAVED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY.
I RAN THE NUMBERS ON THE SOUTHERN DOCKS, ON A LINEAR FOOT PRICE. WHICH IS WHAT FENDER CHARGED US IF WE WOULD HAVE A FENDER OR ANOTHER CONTRACT WE WOULD BE WELL OVER $3 MILLION FOR THE NORTH.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION? FROM THE FROM WHERE WE GET STARTED TO TODAY, WHAT IS THE VARIANCE OR GROWTH PERCENTAGE, I DON'T NEED AN EXACT DOLLAR. BECAUSE I WAS THINKING THE CITY HAD RULES OVER A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, I GUESS IT ALL HAD TO COME BACK OR SOMETHING, I'M NOT SURE, SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY, WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE AIRPORT BUILDING, I BELIEVE MR. CREER KREEGER USED E OF THOSE MEETINGS, I'D LIKE THE VARIANCE OF GROWTH AND THE VARIANCE OF THE SCHEDULE INCREASE. IT IS WHAT IT IS AT THIS POINT.
>> I'M WORKING ON THAT. >> DON'T GET ME WRONG, IT IS WHAT IT IS AT THIS POINT AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY ANYBODY DID A TERRIBLE JOB, THANK GOD BRONSON WAS HERE TO DO THE JOB, AND YOURSELF. OR OTHERWISE I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAVE GOT DONE. I'M GLAD HE WAS HERE.
AS THE LESSONS LEARNED OUT OF IT THAT'S WHERE I WAS DRIVING.
>> SURE. I INTEND TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THESE QUESTIONS AROUNDS SOME OF THAT DATA OBVIOUSLY WILL BE PULLED BACK FROM 2018 AND 2019. BUT I'LL DEFINITELY GET YOU A REPORT AND GET WITH FINANCE TO GET YOU THOSE ANSWERS.
>> WHERE ARE WE WITH THE FUELS, TESTING LINES AND WHERE ARE WE?
>> THE FUEL LINES ARE STILL AT A STANDSTILL BASICALLY, WE HAVE HAD SPATCO COME OUT TO TEST THE LINES WITH NITROGEN AND THAT HAS NOT HELD. SO THEY'RE COMING TOMORROW AS A FLEMPLE STEP TO LOOK AT INSTALLING A CHECK VALVE AT THE
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BULKHEAD. WE'LL CHECK THE PRESSURE FROM THE BULKHEAD TO THE UST, UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK TO DETERMINE IF THAT PIPE IS SOUND. WHICH IT SHOULD BE.IT'S NOT BEEN EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS.
IT'S NOT BEEN BEAT UP BY HURRICANES ET CETERA.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE GAS LINE THE DIESEL, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH
OUR GAS LINE? >> IT'S HELD, WE'VE NOT EXPERIENCED ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT.
IT WAS BROUGHT TO PRESSURE. BUT QUITE HONESTLY THE NEXT STEP WAS TO DO A PRECISION LINE TEST WHICH IS WITH FLUIDS.
AND I'VE BACKED AWAY WITH THAT OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOT READY TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT. IT MIGHT NOT BE PRUDENT, NIECE ARE DECISIONS FOR COMMISSION AND FOR THIS BOARD TO DECISION SHOULD WE GO AHEAD AND INVEST IN NEW PIPES.
I'VE GOT TWO ON QUOTES FROM GUARDIAN, ONE FROM MARINA UTILITIES. ONE FOR SMART FLEX, A NEW TYPE, IT'S NOT NEW IT'S OLD BUT IT'S VERY RELIABLE, 50 MILLION MILES OF PIPE THEY'VE NEVER HAD A BREACH.
ALL THE COUPLINGS ARE GEOTAGGED. IT IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $225,000. AND THAT WOULD BE ONLY FROM THE RUN FROM THE BULKHEAD TO THE TRANSITION SUMP.
>> FOR BOTH LINES OR FOR A PIECE?
>> FOR BOTH. >> FOR BOTH OF THEM.
AND HOW DID THEY HAVE A THING AT THE END OF THE FRONT THERE BY THE DOCK HOUSE WHERE THE FUEL SITS IN THAT TRAP, HOW DID THAT WORK OUT WITH ALL THESE FLOODWATERS, DID WATER GET IN
THERE? >> IN THE TRANSITION SUMP.
>> YES. >> NO I LOOKED IN THERE TODAY, THIS MORNING AND I DID NOT OBSERVE ANY WATER IN THAT TRANSITION SUMP. IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU BRING THAT UP WITH THESE FLOODS THAT WE HAD TWO WEEKENDS AGO.
WE DID GET WATER INSIDE THE SUMPS AT THE UST RED JACKET
TURBINES. >> THAT IS IN THE PARKING LOT?
>> PARKING LOUT. WE HAD WATER IN THERE WHICH I HAD WATER PUMPED OUT. I WAS IN THERE AGAIN THIS MORNING WHICH WE'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL RAIN, I OBSERVED NOT AS MUCH AS THAT FLOODING BUT THERE WAS LESS THAN A FOOT BUT WE STILL ARE GETTING WATER INTO THOSE SUMPS.
>> AND THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED AS WELL WHETHER WE DO THIS OTHER
WORK TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. >> POSSIBLY, THIS PARK, ALL THE RESILL ALIENATES THAT WE'RE DOING TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM SEA RISE WILL PROTECT OURSELVES FROM NUISANCE FLOODING.
THE GOAL OBVIOUSLY IS TO NOT HAVE TO DIG UP THE PARKING LOT AND DIG UP AROUND THE TANKS. I COULDN'T VENTURE A GUESS ON HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL COST THAT WOULD BE TO DO THAT TYPE OF
LIFT. >> IF WE HAVE TO GO WITH ALL NEW PIPE LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S THE LEAD TIME ON GETTING ALL THAT DONE AND GETTING FUEL HERE? WHAT'S YOUR BEST GUESS PROJECTION DIET AT THIS POINT
>> GUARDIAN IS AT THE FRONT OF THE YEAR.
I'VE SPOKEN WITH ROBERT HE SAID HE COULD MOVE AROUND NOVEMBER.
BUT I WOULDN'T -- DON'T HOLD ME TO THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY MATERIALS AND PARTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING ARE GOING TO FACTOR INTO IT. AND THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED.
>> IF WORST CASE SCENARIO SOMETIME AFTER THE 1ST OF THE
HAD. >> I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ON SOME OTHER AREAS. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL --
>> WE HAVE HER HERE. SHE CAN ANSWER.
>> I'LL DO MY BEST. >> ELECTRICAL SURGE PROTECTION.
>> YES. >> I UNDERSTAND WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A DESIGN
ISSUE, A WARRANTY ISSUE,. >> CORRECT.
>> OR A TRAINING ISSUE. IT WOULD BE VERY HARD FOR ME IF I WAS OASIS DMOMG HERE TO KNOW WHICH SLIPS I COULD RENT AND WHICH SLIPS I COULDN'T BASED ON WHICH LOADS I PUT ON THE DOCK.
>> I DON'T -- WE DO HAVE A SURG- >> DID THAT WORK OUT OR IS THERE SOME PLAN TO RESOLVE ALL THAT, IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE A
WHILE. >> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NUISANCE BREAKERS GOING OFF, BOATS UNABLE TO TIE OFF OR SURGE
PROTECTION? >> SURGE PROTECTION.
>> ON THE SOUTH END OF THE BREAKWATER.
>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I KNOW WE HAD THE SURGE PROTECTION DEVICE ON THE SOUTHERN PANEL.
IT'S THOUGHT TO HAVE SUSTAINED A LIGHTNING STRIKE.
THE UTILITIES CAME AND REMOVED IT, THEY'VE SENT IT TO THEIR TECHNICIAN IN VIRGINIA FOR ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE IF IT WAS A FAULTY SPD OR IF IT SUSTAINED AN ELECTRICAL OR LIGHTNING STRIKE. ALL THE PANELS HAVE ONE SPD IN IT. I DON'T -- I'VE REACHED OUT TO
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THE ENGINEERS TO ASK THE NEC CODE AND THE REQUIREMENTS AND GATHER MORE INFORMATION. I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO OFFER OTHER THAN THAT. THE NEW SPD HAS BEEN ORDERED.I ACTUALLY EXPECTED IT LAST WEEK SO I'M GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. IT'S COMING THROUGH MCGONAGLE TO THE MARINA. THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE IT.
THERE IS SOME QUESTION OBVIOUSLY BASED ON THE DETERMINATION OF WHETHER IT WAS A LIGHT FLICK STRIKE OR IF IT WAS FAULTY, WHO WILL PAY FOR THE NEW SURGE PROTECTION DEVICE.
THEY ARE VERY EXPENSIVE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $1,000 APIECE.
>> WHEN DOES OUR WARRANTY EXPIRE ON ALL OF THIS STUFF? MY CONCERN IS THIS, WE'RE STILL LINGERING AND THIS IS GOING ON AND ON FOR A WHILE ARE WE GOING TO BE OUT OF WARRANTY IF IT BECOMES A WARRANTY ISSUE? WHAT ARE WE DOING THERE TO GO BACK TO THE VENDORS TO SAY HEY WE'VE GOT THESE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS AND WE'RE PUTTING YOU ON NOTICE.
>> SURE. >> THIS MAY OR MAY NOT BE A
WARRANTY ISSUE. >> I REACHED OUT TO ALL OUR VENDORS FOR SOUTHERN BASIN AND THE SOUTHERN ATTENUATOR, TO GET SOME SOLID DATES. WE ARE REALLY AT ABOUT A YEAR.
WHERE WE SORT OF WRAPPED UP THOSE TWO PROJECTS DOWN THERE.
I EXPECT TO HEAR BACK FROM MIKE WILLIAMS AT FENDER TOMORROW AND GET SPECIFICS ON WARRANTY DATES WITH REGARD TO EQUIPMENT AND THE
DIFFERENT PARTS. >> HOPEFULLY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE
AROUND FOR A WHILE. >> I HOPE SO.
WE'LL SEE. >> TO SOLVE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS. YOU'VE GOT THE HISTORY AND STUFF AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH MOST OF THEM.
HOPEFULLY YOU'LL BE AROUND UNTIL AT LEAST ALL OF IT'S DONE.
>> THANK YOU. I'M SHARING EVERYTHING I CAN WITH THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT AND WITH RANDY, AND THE MARINA, TO TRY TO KEEP EVERYONE ABREAST OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
I'VE TARTED DROPPING MORE DOCUMENTS THAT ESPECIALLY AS THEY RELATE TO THESE QUESTIONS IN THE SHARED DROARKARIES FOLDER FOR THE MARINA SO ANY ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS CAN SORT OF PICK UP
THIS INFORMATION. >> ANYBODY ELSE?
ANYBODY ELSE GOING? >> ALL RIGHT, MOVE ON TO
[6.5 Channel Update]
6.K6.5,THE CHANNEL UPDATE. >> I SPOAKD TO THE SENATOR'S OFFICE, JKS OFFICE AND WASHINGTON OFFICE TO HELP US REMOVE THE CHANNEL SOUTH OF THE TURNING BASIN OR HAVE IT DEALLOCATED. SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S ALL I'M DOING IS COLLECTING DATA AND GETTING IT TO THEM SO I HAVEN'T
GOT AN RESPONSE BACK. >> ANYBODY ELSE ON 6.6? GO ON TO NEW BUSINESS. IS MARINA MANAGEMENT REPORT.
[8. MARINA MANAGER REPORT]
>> NO NEW BUSINESS. >> HOW DID THESE RAMPS HOLD UP? SOUTH END, SOUTHERN END OF THEM THEY WOULD BE AIR TWO FEET UNDER. HOW DID THE BOLTS AND EVERYTHING
HOLD UP? >> THE BOLTS HELD UP VERY WELL, THE RAMPS, INSTEAD OF WALKING DOWN THE RAMP OR ACROSS THE RAMP YOU WERE WALKING OFF AND STEPPING OFF OF IT.
NONE OF THEM WENT SO HIGH THAT EVERYTHING WAS OUT OF THE AIR.
AT TIMES WE'VE HAD TO PUT BRICKS DOWN AND STUFF TO MAKE STEPS.
IT WAS HIGH TIDE BUT NOT THAT HIGH.
EVERYTHING CLEARED AND THE DOCKS DID AN EXCELLENT JOB, EVERYTHING
THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO. >> GOOD DEAL.
NOTHING ELSE, COLEMAN? >> GISTJUST REAL QUICK.
HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE ANOTHER EVENT LIKE THAT.
WE WERE VERY CLOSE TO WATER COMING INTO THE OLD BOATERS LOUNGE AND HOPING THAT MAYBE, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE A
CONTINGENCY JUST SAND BAGS OR -- >> THE INSIDE OF IT WE HAD TRASH BAGS FILLED WITH SAND. KEEP IT ON THE INSIDE BECAUSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT THERE ARE HOOLIGANS THAT WILL TAKE SAND BAGS FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE DOORS.
THAT'S A BAD WORD ISN'T IT? >> VERY APPROPRIATE.
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>> ALL RIGHT, ANY BOARD MEMBERS GET A REPORT OR COMMENTS?
[9. BOARD MEMBER REPORTS/COMMENTS]
JEASH. >> IS THIS COMMENT-TIME?
>> YES, SIR. >> WELL, I ONLY HAVE ONE.
I DON'T THINK THAT I DID WANT TO CONGRATULATE OASIS ON WINNING THE CONTRACT AND I WANT TO WISH THEM GOOD LUCK IN NOT THE -- THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM BUT WISH THEM EVERY BIT OF GOOD LUCK AS THEY TAKE OVER THE MANAGEMENT, THANK WESTREC FOR THE MANY YEARS OF SERVICE THEY PROVIDED TO THE MARINA AND FINALLY STATE THAT I AM VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH THE NEW OPERATOR, AND ACHIEVE THE FULL POTENTIAL OF THIS MARINA.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT IT SITS OUT THERE FOR OUS TO ACHIEVE AND I'M SURE AS A TEAM WE CAN GET IN. WE VAWL TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE
THAT HAPPEN. >> AND I'D LIKE TO SECOND HIS COMMENTS BUT THE OTHER COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE IS THIS.
WE HAVE A UNIQUE ISLAND HERE. WE'RE BECAME OF KEY WEST NORTH.
WE'RE THE NORTH KEYS WHEREAS KEY WEST IS THE SOUTH KEYS.
AND THIS IS A COMFORTABLE PLACE THAT PEOPLE LOOF TO BE IN.
EVERYBODY'S FRIENDLY. THEY GET ALONG TOGETHER.
AND I'M WORRIED THAT BECAUSE OF THINGS LIKE THIS PARK WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE MAKEUP OF THIS ISLAND.
THIS IS NOT A LANDING IN JKS. LANDILALANDING INJACKSONVILLE.
WE HAVE A WORKING MARINA. EVERY BIT OF THE PLANS I'VE SEEN HERE MAKE A WORKING MARINA VERY DIFFICULT WITH THE WAY THAT PARK IS SET UP. OKAY? SO OI THINK THAT THE PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE ST THE SHRIMPIE HISTORY, THE WAY THIS ISLAND HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND NOT TRY TO MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING THAT IN SOME CASES WHERE SOMEBODY CAME FROM THAT THEY WANT TO MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING NEW AND THE REASON THEY CAME HERE WILL BE LOST.
SO THAT'S A BIG CONCERN OF MINE. OKAY GET OFF MY BAND WAGON.
PAUL. >> YEAH, TWO THINGS I GOT.
FIRST, I REALLY WANTED TO SAY THANKS TO THE CITY STAFF FOR A LOT OF THE MEMBERS THAT CAME OUT TODAY AND GAVE A PRESENTATION.
BECAUSE I COULD TELL YOU, FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN SITTING ON THIS BOARD, IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST THOROUGHLY I'VE EVER BEEN BRIEFED AND KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT MANY OF THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS THAT ARE GOING ON.
SO -- AND I GIVE THAT COMPLIMENTS ALSO TO US AND THE MAB AND REALLY EVERYBODY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE OF THE WAY THE MEETING IS SET UP, YOU KNOW WE'VE KIND OF FINALLY GOT THRN. SO THAT'S GOING TO LEAD ME TO MY SECOND COMMENT AND REALLY IT'S JUST A COMMENT.
NOBODY HAS TO RESPOND TO IT, JUST WALK AWAY AND THINK ABOUT IT. I TOTAL REPLY GET THAT IT KEVIN'S AS THE CLAIRE IS ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THE AMELIA RIVER WATER FRONT THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE.
BUT I TELL YOU AS A BOARD AND UNLESS I FELL ASLEEP OR HAD A DISCUSSION, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A DISCUSSION OWRDZ OR A
WORKSHOP HAVE WE? >> WE HAVE NOT.
>> NOT TO THE LATEST CONCEPTS BUT YEAH, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS
ON IT PREVIOUSLY. >> BUT I MEAN WE'VE NEVER REALLY CORRALLED EVERYTHING, RIGHT? NEVER HAD AS OBOARD HOW WE ALL FEEL, TO GIVE TO KEVIN, HAS THAT BEEN DONE OR IS THAT BEING DONE?
>> WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED IT OTHER THAN WHAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO US. I GUESS NOW IS YOUR TIME TO
SPEAK WHAT YOU FEEL ABOUT IT. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A DEDICATED TIME THROUGH A WORKSHOP THAT WE ALL TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE ALL LEARN REALLY OFF OF EACH OTHER. YOU KNOW, IF THE ALLEN BRINGS UP SOMETHING THAT I JUST TOTALLY WAS NOT AWARE OF, I JUST BECOME MORE EDUCATED MYSELF. SAME THING, IF I SAY SOMETHING AND MAYBE HI HOPEFUL JOE PLERNS SOMETHING THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW.
I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING ALSO IS JUST TO WALK AWAY WHEN WE MEET AGAIN IS THERE ANY VALUE IN US HAVING A WORKSHOP TO TALK ABOUT THIS? IF THERE'S NOT I'M OKLAHOMA WITH
THAT. >> I THINK THERE IS VALUE IN IT.
BECAUSE WE DON'T GET A CHANCE TO JUST RUN IDEAS ACROSS EACH OTHER AT THESE KIND OF MEETINGS. WE NEED A WORKSHOP WHERE WE GOT
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IF WE'VE GOT AN OPEN AGENDA WE CAN KIND OF FEEL EACH OTHER OUT FOR WHERE ARE WE REALLY GOING AND WHAT WE THINK IS HAPPENING.>> IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE'RE ABOUT OUT OF TIME FOR WORKSHOP ON THIS. BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE -- YOUR TIME IS TO SAY NOW WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR IT OR TO PUT YOUR VOTE ON THE HUB THAT THEY HAD OUT THERE.
BECAUSE THIS IS FIXING TO GO TO COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVAL.
SO WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO SAY IT WOULD BE TIME TO SAY IT NOW
I WOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND DO MY WRITE UP ON THE HUB, YOU KNOW?
>> I PERSONALLY FOR THE WATERFRONT PARK.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TWEAKED BUT OVERALL, I'M ALL ABOUT IT.
>> WHAT'S THAT? >> AS FAR AS THE TWEAKING.
>> TWEAKING WHAT? >> THAT'S WHAT I BROUGHT UP TO IN MARTIN TONIGHT ABOUT THE TURN AROUND, NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. BUT OVERALL, THE PARK, I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA. THE FLOOD CONTROL I THINK IS
GOOD -- >> YOU'RE SEEING THE WALKWAYS FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THAT AREA AROUND THERE, AND THOSE THINGS ARE SOMEWHAT OF A PAIN IF YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE STUFF DOWN TO THE REPAIRS, THAT'S ONE ISSUE I HAVE.
ANOTHER ONE IS THAT THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SHOWERS AND EVERYTHING BEING FIXED, USING THE FEMA MONEY, THOSE SHOWERS NEED TO BE DOWN NEAR BRETT'S. WHEN YOU COME OFF THE REPAIR, THE ONLY WAY TO COME OFF THOSE REPAIRS IS TO PASS BRETT'S OKAY AND YOU HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY DOWN TO GET TO THE SHOWERS, WHERE ESSENTIALLY THE LOUNGE IS NOW.
IN REALTY THOSE SHOWERS NEED TO BE DOWN WHERE ALL THOSE REPAIRS COME TOQUE, DOWN THERE SOMEWHERE AROUND BRETT'S.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THE SHOWERS ARE ON THE NEW WATERFRONT PLANS.
I DON'T THINK I SAW. >> THEY ARE NOT.
>> I DON'T THINK I SAW THEM ON THERE.
BUT I WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED AT IT.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS SOME OF OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WE HAD TALKED OF THEM POSSIBLY BEING OVER IN PARKING LOT C IN THAT AREA. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE
>> YES, SIR. >> WE DO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF TIED INTO THAT BOATER'S FACILITIES WITH GRANTS AND OTHER ISSUES THAT MAY COMPLICATE A RELOCATION. THE OTHER PART OF IT TOO IF WE JUST OBVIOUSLY, LOOKING FROM THE MARINA PERSPECTIVE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT MOVING UP THERE BUT WITH THE OVERALL CONSECONCEPTUAL PLANNING, WE MAE BUTTING OUR HEADS.
I WOULD CAUTION US TO PUSH FORWARD TO GET THAT BOATERS FACILITY APPROVED WHERE IT IS, IF WE TRY TO CHANGE A LOT OF STUFF ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.
TOO BAD, HINDSIGHT PROBABLY COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB BUT THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS ON THAT PART.
>> TERRY. >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE YOU KNOW IN THE FUTURE MAYBE TOO LATE FOR THE WATERFRONT PARK IS TO HAVE SOME MORE VISUAL THINGS AT THE MARINA DOWNTOWN, BECAUSE PEOPLE WALKING DOWN THE MARINA ALL THEY SEE IS BOATS AND SLIPS.
THEY DON'T SEE DESTINY OF THE AE HISTORY.
WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTINGS A MARINA SIGN A DIRECTORY, TO TELL THEM ABOUT THE FISHING TOURNAMENTS, THE SHRIMP BOAT FESTIVAL, WHATEVER MADE HISTORY OF FERNANDINA MARINA IS THERE.
BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE MARINA AND THEY WANT TO SEE SOMETHING. AND THEY MAY WANT TO READ SOMETHING ABOUT THE MARINA, THE HISTORY, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE SHARK DOWN THERE, ALLEN'S GOT THE SHARK DOWN THERE, ROLAND CAUGHT THE 190 POUND TARPIN.
IF YOU GO THERE YOU DON'T SEE ANY OF THAT STUFF.
THAT'S MY SUGGESTION. >> I THINK THE WATER, YOU ARE WATER FRONT PARK DOWN IN PARKING LOT D AND C IS AWESOME, I THINK EVERYTHING THEY HAVE GOING TO THAT PARKING LOT, THAT GREEN WAY IS A LOT OF WASTED AREA RIGHT NOW AND I THINK IS GOING TO BE UTILIZED TO AN EXTENT IF THEY GO WITH PARKING LOT D AND C FOR THAT PARK. WE NEED A PLACE FOR SOUNDS ON CENTER WILL BE A GOOD PLACE FOR IT AND ALL.
I THINK IF THEY MAKE A PARK OUT OF PARKING LOT D AND C, LAST
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WEEK WHEN YOU HAVE 100 FOOT YACHTS AND COMING DOWN ATLANTIC, EVERYBODY SEES ALL THOSE YOU YACHTS.YACHTS.THEY WANT TO GO GET ICE R GET SOMETHING TO EAT OR SHOP.
I DON'T THINK THEY'LL WANT TO PLAY IN A PARK.
I THINK WITH ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT GOING ON ON THIS ISLAND, THE HOTELS, THE PROJECT HOTELS THAT THE CITY COMMISSIONERS ARE APPROVING, THAT'S MORE PEOPLE WITH MORE CARS. AND WE NEED PARKING LOT DOWNTOWN, AND IF PARKING LOT GETS FLOODED IT'S NOT A WASTE OF MONEY. WE DON'T HAVE TO REPLANT TREES OR REDO SHRUBBERIES, BECAUSE THE SALTWATER KILLED THEM.
WE JUST HAVE MORE PARKING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME DOWNTOWN. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT.
I THINK IT'S AN AWESOME IDEA THEY HAVE OVER THERE IN PARKING LOT D AND C. AND TO UTILIZE MORE PARKING, RECONSTRUCT THE WAY THAT THEY'RE PARKING DOWNTOWN BUT DON'T PLANT A LOT OF GREEN WAY TO TAKE AWAY FROM YOUR MAJOR INVESTMENT YOU JUST DID DOWNTOWN. PEOPLE LIKE TO COME DOWN HERE AND SEE THE BOATS AND LIKE TO GO TO THE BEACH.
THAT'S WHAT BRINGS PEOPLE TO AMELIA ISLAND IS THE BEACH.
THEY COME HERE YOU DO A SURVEY, THEY COME TO THE BEACH.
THEY DON'T COME TO A PARK. THEY HAVE PARKS WHERE THEY'RE FROM. AND I KNOW THE COMMISSIONERS WERE TRYING TO GET MONEY FROM THE COUNTY TO HELP PAY FOR A PARK. SO I THINK THAT MONEY COULD BE BETTER SPENT ON SOMETHING ELSE. AND JUST DO PARKING LOT D AND C AND MAKE IT AN AWESOME PARK THERE AND DO THE REST OF IT FOR PARKING AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROAD, THAT'S MY OPINION.
YES, SIR. >> I DID THINK OF SOMETHING.
I'M SORRY JUMP IN FRONT OF YOU. TALKING ABOUT THE FEES YOU WR BRINGING UP ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES OF FEES GOING UP.
WE NEED TO THINK HARD ABOUT THE FACULTY THAT THE TRANSIENT DOLLARS VERSUS THE LOCAL DOLLARS, GOING TO BE A BIG BATTLE AND A LOT OF DECISION MAKING ON BEHALF OF OASIS SCOTT YOU'RE RIGHT ON THAT WE'VE GOT TO BE AWARE OF THIS.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER OF THIS. I'VE BEEN IN THE DIRECTOR'S SHOES BEFORE SO I UNDERSTAND THE BIG DOLLARS DO COME FROM THE TRANSIENTS DOCKETS AND FUELS. WE'RE FIGHTING AN ECONOMIC ENGINE A GROUND SWELL POTENTIALLY.
I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS START FOCUSING ON TRYING TO REQUAREACQUAINT THE COMMUNITY, T JUST THE MERCHANTS BUT THROUGHOUT THE ISLAND, WE'VE GOT TO FIND WAYS TO ENHANCE WHAT THE LOCAL BOATING COMMUNITIES DOES IN ADDITION TO THE TRANSIENTS BRING TO THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A HARD HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT BUT AN IMPORTANT ONE, KEEPING THE PEOPLE AT THE MARINA AWARE MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE THE PERMANENT BOATS ECONOMICALLY TO THE BUDGET TO THE PLAN TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BRING BACK TO THE CITY, IS VIABLE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO WANT TO NOT RAISE RATES. SO FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
IF YOU HAVE A DOCK -- A SLIP THERE KEEP THAT IN MIND.
I THINK COLT DID SCOTT DID HIT A POINT.
EVEN IF DOCKS HIT EMPTY IN THE WINTER, THERE IS MORE MAKE UP BY TRANSIENTS FILLING THEM UP. LET'S FIND MORE WAYS TO PROMOTE OUR LOCAL CHARTER FLEET, MAKE PEOPLE MORE AWARE AND REALLY WANT TO HELP PROMOTE IT. THAT'S ALL I CAN SUGGEST.
>> YOU KNOW TO GO BACK IF I CAN, JUST TO INTERJECT, IF YOU ARE ASKING ME MY OPINION TO YOU ALL HERE, WHAT I FEEL ABOUT IT, MY CONCERN IS ONE, AS YOU CAN SEE WE HAD A DISCUSSION AND SOME THINGS FLUSHED OUT, WE HEAR ABOUT THE PARKING SPACES, THE MARINA SIGN, THE SHOWER FACILITIES, SO FORTH.
MY CONCERN IS, ONE, AS A BOARD AND THEN ALSO JUST EVEN AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, IF WE HAD A HUGE CURTAIN THAT WENT UP ALONG THE RAILROAD AND WHEN WE LIFT THEY'D CURTAIN UP, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SEE? ARE WE GOING TO SEE A WATERFRONT PARK? A NATURE PARK? WITH DOCKS IN THE BACKGROUND? OR ARE WE GOING TO SEE THE CENTER PIECE AS OWATERFRONT? OA WATERFRONT?IT'S A KEY QUESTI.
DOWN THERE BESIDES BRETT'S BEING THE RESTAURANT WHEN YOU GO DOWN THERE THE CENTER PIECE REALLY IS, IT'S THAT MARINA, IT'S THAT OLD FERNANDINA TITLE KIND OF LOOKING MARINA.
JOE WAS I THINK JUST TALKING ABOUT, THAT PIECE OF WHY WE ALL CAME HERE, WHY SOME OF US BORN AND RAISED HERE AND NEVER LEFT,
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AND SOME CAME HERE. IT IS YOUR KEY TO FIGURE OUTWHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE. >> YES, I WOULD AGREE WITH PAUL.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERINGS THAT ARE ON THE HUB WEB SITE RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS IN THE LOGO, IN THE SIDE, THAT THE MARINA IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE DESIGN, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE IMAGES, IT'S NOT. BECAUSE THE WAY THE -- IT REALLY LOOKS SORT OF LIKE A MI MINIATUE GRAND PARK AND BEHIND IT IS SOME WATER. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S -- THAT
IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. >> CORRECT.
>> THE WHOLE VIEW OF THE WATER FRONT, THE VIEW OF THE RIVER, THE VIEW OF THE BOATS THAT ARE SITTING THERE, ALL OF THAT IS TO SOME EXTENT OBSCURED BY ALL OF THE BUSYNESS THAT APPEARS IN THOSE RENDERINGS. IT IS A VERY, VERY BUSY LAYOUT.
THERE ARE TREES, THERE IS POCKETS OF GRASS LAND, IT IS JUST SO BUSY THAT THE EYE IS DRAWN INTO THAT.
AND YOU COULD HAVE THE QUEEN ELIZABETH II SITTING OUT HERE ON THE DOCK AND PEOPLE WOULDN'T EVEN SEE IT BECAUSE AOF ALL THE STUFF GOING ON. THE DESIGN IS TOO BUSY AND IT DOES DETRACT FROM THE RIVER FRONT VIEW AND FROM THE MARINA.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE SENSE THAT'S GOING TO FINALLY MAKE IT THROUGH TO THE DECISION MAKERS. BUT I AGREE 100% WITH WHAT PAUL
>> THE OTHER THING TOO IS, CAN YOU PULL UP THE DRAWING OF THE
RENDERING OF THAT PARK? >> I CAN ATTEMPT THAT.
>> ESPECIALLY THE PART THAT SHOWS THE MARINA.
>> THERE'S A HUB. THESE ARE ALL GREAT IDEAS.
PUT YOUR IDEAS DOWN ON THAT -- >> EXACTLY.
THINK. HOW THE BOARD FEELS ON THE MARINA PARK. THE WATERFRONT.
>> THAT'S THE PLACE DO PUT YOUR CADETAILS SO THEY CAN HEAR YOU.
I DID SEND THAT TO YOU. >> I GOT IT, YES, SIR.
>> I'VE COMMENTED ON IT. >> I'VE ALREADY COMMENTED ON IT
TOO. >> THE ISSUE ABOUT THE BUSYNESS ABOUT THE WORKING MARINA IS MY MAIN POINT, WHERE YOU HAVE THE WALKWAYS THAT YOU HAVE DO TRY TO GET DOWN TO WITH ICE AND PARTS FOR YOUR BOATS AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
>> THAT'S A PROBLEM. >> INSTEAD OF HAVING AN ARCHWAY OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS THIS IS HISTORIC FOIND'S HARBOR MARINA, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT PUTS US THROUGH ALL KINDS OF NONSENSE JUST TO GET THE SIGN UP. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW A HISTORIC DISTRICT APPROVES A PARK, WOULDN'T APPROVE A SIGN.
BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE, THE PARK TO THE SOUTH IS GREAT, OKAY? THAT'S -- DOESN'T BOTHER ME IN THE LEAST.
IT'S THE AREA TO GET ON AND OFF THOSE REPAIRS.
REPIERS, BUT YOU CAN'TIMPEDE STF THOSE PIERS FOR BUSINESS AND RECREATIONAL BOATERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THAT'S ONE OF MY MAIN ISSUES. THE REASON I AM KEEPING UP, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND 90% OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING.
I NEVER HEARD MY NAME ONCE. >> ALL RIGHT LET'S MOVE ON JOE, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP TO SPEAK. ANYTHING ELSE, NOTE THE DATE OF
THE NEXT MEETING. >> OKAY, THE MAIN POINT I WANTED TO MAKE TO ASK YOU TO BRING THAT UP IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERING, THERE'S ONLY ONE PIER AND THERE IS SOUTH ATEN WAITZOR ATTENUATOR.AND YOU GO WONDER WH? OBVIOUSLY THE MARINA IS NOT
INTEGRAL INTO THE SYSTEM. >> AND WE'VE ALL COMMENTED ON THIS, ON THE HUB AND HOPEFULLY THOSE COMMENTS WILL BLEND IN WITH -- HOPEFULLY OTHER PEOPLE WILL SEE A SIMILAR CONCERN I
GUESS WE'LL FIND OUT. >> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SEE
EVERYBODY ELSE'S COMMENTS. >> I DON'T THINK YOU DO EITHER.
BUT ULTIMATELY -- >> YOU CAN PUT YOUR COMMENTS IN.
>> BUT ULTIMATELY SOMETHING IS GOING TO COME OUT TO THE COMMISSION AROUNDS THAT SORT OF BECOMES PUBLIC AND GET A SENSE OF DID ANY OF THIS RESONATE OR 92ND? I MEAN WE DON'T HAVE MUCH CONTROL.
ALL WE CAN DO IS PUT OUR OPINION IN.
>> WE FOUND THAT OUT. >> OUR NEXT MEETING IS OCTOBER
[10. NEXT MEETING DATE]
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26TH. IS THAT RIGHT JOE?>> RIGHT. >> AND I WILL ADD THE OASIS MANAGEMENT CONTRACT AS A NEW BUSINESS ITEM.
SO THAT WILL BE ON THERE AND IF Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING TO BE ADDED
JUST LET ME KNOW. >> WE CONTINUE TO GET PROJECT MANAGEMENT UPSTAIRS ON THE FUEL AND ELECTRICAL ISSUES?
>> I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT, I'M NOT GETTING THEM.
>> YOU GET THOSE AS PROPOSED PLANS?
>> 2010, 2012, 2008, THESE ARE PROPOSED ONES THAT ARE DATED --
>> OLD STUFF. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE.
>> E-MAIL FOR THAT. >> WELL, NOTHING ELSE, MAKE A
>> WHO WROTE THIS QUESTION? >> I COMPILED THE QUESTIONS FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD ONCE I CAME TO THE OFFICE.
>> I HAVE A LOT OF THEM. >> JUST CURIOUS.
>> MOTION TO ADJOURN. >> SECOND.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.