Sep 08, 2020 Parks & Recreation Advisory Committee

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MEETING TO ORDER. JOY WILL NOT BE HERE TODAY. AND NEITHER WILL MICHAEL.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR. SO I'LL JUST LEAD THE AGENDA AND YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR DISCUSSIONS. THEN WE'LL TAKE THE MINUTES.

>> OKAY. >> SO, MS. BROWN WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL.

VICE CHAIR BEHAN? >> BARTLET. >> HIRE.

MEMBER ROSS. >> HERE. >> MEMBER PUGH.

>> HERE. >> MEMBER LEJOY. >> HERE.

>> MEMBER KEGLER. >> PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE AND LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> OKAY NEXT ITEM WE HAVE. THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE MINUTES.

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

>> I PROVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. >> ALL AYES.

IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA? OKAY. SINCE WE DO NOT HAVE ALL SIX

[6. ELECTION OF CHAIR PERSON]

ELECT CHAIR OR WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE ALL SIX MEMBERS. >> I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT.

>> OKAY. >> I AGREE. >> I AGREE.

>> OKAY, IN AGREEMENT. >> OKAY, FIRST WE HAVE A PRESENTATION.

[7.1 ATC Heroe's Grove Proposal]

I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE RECEIVED A COPY OF THE PROPOSAL THAT WE RECEIVED

TODAY. AND WE E-MAILED IT OUT. >> I DO BELIEVE IT WAS SENT OUT EARLIER AND I DID GET A COPY. I ASSUME EVERYONE ELSE DID

ALSO. >> THERE'S A COPY ATTACHED. >> I GOT THEM BOTH.

>> YOU GOT THEM BOTH. >> I GOT TWO ALSO. >> OKAY.

WE GOT THIS, ALL RIGHT. SO ARE YOU GOING TO DO THIS? >> I WILL START OFF.

WE HAVE MARGARET SHE'S GOING TO START OFF WITH THIS PRESENTATION TO THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I WANT TO EFFECTIVELY SHARE MY SCREEN.

JUST YOUR NAME. >> I'M MARGARET KIRKLAND. 1377 PLANTATION PORT DRIVE.

I AM WITH THE A.T.C.

DO YOU CHANGE IT OR I CHANGE IT? >> YOU TELL ME WHEN TO GO.

>> ALISHA CAN YOU KILL THE LIGHTS. >> LET'S GIVE ALISHA A MINUTE TO CATCH UP FOR A MINUTE. IS THAT GOOD?

>> PERFECT. >> IS THE THIRD MEETING I HAVE BEEN TO SINCE THE 1ST MARCH. AND THE FIRST CITY MEETING SINCE THAT TIME.

ANYWAY, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR LOOKING AT OUR PROPOSAL AND THINKING ABOUT IT.

WE HAVE BEEN WANTING TO GET BACK INTO MORE PLANTING FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.

LAST JANUARY OR FEBRUARY ARTHUR AND I HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS WITH DAVE HOLLY AND WE'RE GOING TO DO PLANTING AROUND THE BALL FIELDS OVER ON HICKORY.

THEN ONE OF THE P.A.V. MEETINGS A REPRESENTIVE OF THE SCHOOL BOARD ANNOUNCED THAT THEY WANTED TO SELL THE PROPERTY FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT WAS THE END OF THAT.

AND THEN WE GOT YOU DISTRACTED WITH OTHER THINGS.

SO ANYWAY, WE'RE BACK LOOKING AT THIS ONE. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS

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A NICE SPACE TO SORT OF REGENERATE. YOU WANT TO FLIP TO THE NEXT ONE. OKAY. SO HOW DO WE GET HERE? WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF DEATHS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT USUALLY IF THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO HAS DONATED A LOT TO A.T.C. WE USUALLY COMMEMORATE THOSE IN SOME WAY. SOMETIMES WITH A BENCH, SOMETIMES BY PLANTING TREES AND SO ON. THE FIRST ONE WAS TOM RAYMOND.

HE'S THE GUY THAT GOT THE FLAG STRIPED. SO HE WAS A HISTORY BUFF.

BUT HE ALSO DID A LOT OF WORK FOR A.T.C. OVER THE YEARS.

SO WE WANTED TO COMMEMORATE HIS DEATH. AND THEN PHIL SCAN LIN -- SCANLIN AND JOAN BEANE, AND BOTH OF THEM WERE QUITE SUPPORTIVE.

SO IT WAS ON OUR ADVISORY AND THEN MORE RECENTLY SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS FOR US AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT GOT ME THINKING ABOUT WE REALLY NEED TO DO SOMETHING NOW WE STARTED THINKING ABOUT GROVES. WHY WOULD WE THINK ABOUT GROVES? WELL, WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE PEOPLE WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT, BUT ALSO IF YOU PLANT TREES, TREES IN GROUPS YOU'RE REALLY CREATING A NICE ENVIRONMENT. YOU'VE GOT A COOLER SPACE WITH MORE SHADE.

NICE AIR THAT YOU'RE BREATHING BECAUSE OF THE TREES.

AND ALSO THE TREES CAN PROTECT THEMSELVES BETTER. I MEAN, WHEN WE DID EVENTS KREG PARK WE SAW HOW BATTERED THE TREES GOT BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANE THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE SO EXPOSED. BUT IF YOU'VE GOT THEM GROUPED TOGETHER THEY'RE LESS EXPOSED, THEY PROTECT EACH OTHER FROM THE WIND AND SO WE THINK THAT'S A GOOD CONCEPT ENVIRONMENTALLY AS WELL.

WE LIKE TO COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE COMMUNITY AS INDIVIDUALS ARE THINKING ABOUT PLANTING. ARTHUR AND DIANA TALKED WITH NAN AND SHE WAS SUGGESTING A PARTICULAR AREA IN THE PARK AND WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

YOU CAN PUT UP THE NEXT SLIDE. ARTHUR IS THE MAN WHEN IT COMES TO ART SCAPE DESIGN. I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO ARGUE THE TOUR TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THIS.

>> YOU'RE MUTED.

ALISHA ARE YOU ABLE TO UNMUTE HIM? >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> YES. >> OKAY THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AND ENTERTAINING THIS PROPOSAL. LET ME JUST START OFF BY SAYING WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE PARK, SENT RY PARK THIS PARTICULAR AREA BETWEEN THE GIRL SCOUT BUILDING AND THE TENNIS COURTS FROM 13TH AND ATLANTIC IS APPROXIMATELY LESS THAN HALF AN ACRE OF LAND. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL ESTABLISHED TREE THERE AND SMALL TREES.

IT'S ACTUALLY THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS PARK IS WHERE THE VETERANS MEMORIAL IS.

WE FIGURED THIS WOULD BE A NICE LITTLE OCCASION BECAUSE PARK PEOPLE ALONG 13TH AND THEY WALK INTO THE PARK, PLAY TENNIS AND SO ON. IT'S NOT DEAD CENTER IT'S

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THAT WAS BASICALLY THE IDEA WHEN I SAW THIS AREA. WHEN I MEASURED IT OUT, THERE'S A LODGE -- LARGE OAK AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, IT'S A BIG OAK.

THERE ARE OTHER THREE OTHER SMALLER OAKS. JUST BY SIX MORE TREES IT COULD REALLY BECOME A GROVE KIND OF ATMOSPHERE. IN A FEW YEARS YOU WILL HAVE A VERY SHADY LITTLE AREA. THAT'S BASICALLY THE IDEA. I TRIED TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.

THE PATHWAYS WILL BE CRUSHED GRANITE WITH EDGING TO KEEP IT IN PLACE.

AND I SPOKE WITH MATT AND THE SUPERINTENDENT AND THEY KIND OF BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN HELP US WITH THE INSTALLATION WHICH WOULD SAVE A LOT OF MONEY.

WE SUPPLY ALL THE MATERIAL AND THE INSTALLATION COULD BE A PROJECT BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY, ALONG WITH THE PARKS AND REC AND A.T.C. THAT'S IT, BASICALLY, TREES AND SHRUBS. THE SHRUBS I'LL BE PICKING OUT WHEN I GET TO A NURSERY TO MAKE SURE I GET THE BEST QUALITY THEY HAVE AND SPECIES AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. WE SPOKE ABOUT ADDING BENCHES.

PRETTY MUCH THE BENCHES THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE PARK EDEN'S CREEK, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS THESE BENCHES AND ALSO UP BY THE BEACH. I THINK IT WILL BE A LOVELY LITTLE SPOT. WE HAVEN'T YET DECIDED ON WHAT THE BRICKWORK WOULD BE WHAT SIZE BRICKS THEY WOULD AND BE WHAT COLOR THEY WOULD BE AND SO ON BUT THAT'S SMALL DETAILS. OTHER THAN THAT I THINK WE HAVE A NICE LITTLE OPPORTUNITY HERE. THAT'S IT. ANY QUESTIONS.

>> YES, ARTHUR, THIS IS FAITH ROSS. THE ONLY ADDITIONAL CITY SUPPORT YOU WOULD NEED WOULD BE THE INSTALLATION OF THE GRAVEL PATH, THAT'S IT?

>> OH, WE COULD USE A LITTLE MORE [LAUGHTER] FOR US TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR WOULD BE A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO THEY WERE GENEROUS ENOUGH TO OFFER IT SO I'M NOT GOING TO SAY NO WE CAN BRING OUR OWN PEOPLE. I HAVE BEEN DIGGING HOLES FOR 50 YEARS SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM CONTINUING TILL I DROP DEAD. [LAUGHTER] SO I THINK IT WILL BE A NICE LITTLE PROJECT. THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE PERHAPS AND NAN ADDRESSED IT ARE ACCESS TO WATER. SHE SAID THERE'S PRETTY MUCH NO PROBLEM WITH THE FACILITIES THERE, THE TENNIS COURTS AND THE GIRL SCOUT BUILDINGS AND SON SO ON SHE FEELS THERE'S WATER AVAILABLE.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY TWO ISSUES, WATER AND INSTALLATION.

>> SO THEY'RE PAYING FOR ALL OF THE SUPPLIES? >> YEAH.

>> BASICALLY THAT'S IT. IT'S A REASONABLY GOOD DEAL FOR THE CITY.

WE'RE HOPING TO GET A GRANT TO COVER MOST OF THIS. WE CAN COVER IT ONE WAY OR

ANOTHER BUT WE'RE HOPING TO GET A SMALL GRANT TO COVER. >> IF I MAY, THE MONUMENT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS POSSIBLY -- I'M ALMOST 99% GOING TO BE A DONATION.

THE GENTLEMAN WHO INSTALLED THE MONUMENTS AT EDEN'S CREEK PARK AND ALSO THE PIRATES PLAYGROUND I CONTACTED HIM, JOSH KORDELL AT KORDELL MASONRY.

HE IS VERY ENTHUSIASTIC. HE SAID HE CAN PRETTY MUCH DO THIS AS A DONATION.

I'M FIGURING FOR $6,000 OUT OF OUR POCKET PERHAPS WE CAN REALLY HAVE A NICE PARK HERE. THAT'S NOT MUCH WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> YES, ONE MORE.

>> GO AHEAD. >> IS THIS GOING TO HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE TECHNICAL

REVIEW COMMITTEE? >> NO. >> OKAY.

JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. >> NO. >> YOU GUYS WOULD VOTE ON IT

AND THEN IT GOES TO THE COMMISSION. >> RIGHT.

>> YOU WOULD MAKE THE SAME PRESENTATION AS LONG AS THE COMMITTEE APPROVES THE PROPOSED PLAN, WHICH I'M SURE THERE WILL BE CHANGES AS WE SEEN BEFORE IF IT'S

APPROVED YOU WOULD PRESENT THAT TO THE COMMISSION. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> YEAH. A FEW.

OKAY. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNS ME A LITTLE BIT IS THE QUESTION OF EMPHASIS. IT SEEMS WHEN I READ THE PROPOSAL THAT THE PURPOSE

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IT'S A QUESTION OF EMPHASIS ON HONORING THE VOLUNTEERS OR ON THE AMENTE AS AN ELEMENT IN THE PARK? -- AMENITY AS AN ELEMENT IN THE PARK.

WHEN I LOOK AT THE DESIGN, THE MONUMENT WITH THE PLAQUE ON IT IS THE DESTINATION,

YOU KNOW THE WALKWAYS LEAD RIGHT TO IT. >> THERE ARE ALSO SOME BENCHES AROUND IT FOR PEOPLE TO RELAX AND ENJOY, REGENERATE FROM THEIR PICKLE BALL OR TENNIS OR WHATEVER SIT AND MEDITATE, THAT KIND OF THING.

>> BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE PLAN VIEW THE BENCHES SEEM INCIDENTAL.

THE TREES ARE JUST KIND OF THERE AND BUT THE REAL FOCUS IS ON THE MONUMENT AND THE

PLAQUE. >> WELL, I SUPPOSE THAT'S ONE WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.

I THINK MOST, MOST CENTRAL PARKS HAVE AREAS FOR ACTIVITIES AND THEY HAVE AREAS WITH GROVES OF TREES WHERE YOU CAN STAND OR SIT OR WHATEVER AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS A LOT OF THINGS. I PUT THE OBJECTIVES HERE AND THAT PRETTY MUCH OUT ON THE PROPOSAL ITSELF. AND THAT PRETTY MUCH OUTLINES ALL OF THE MANY THINGS WE WANT TO DO. WE WANT IT TO BE A NICE SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO REGENERATE AFTER SPORTS. WE WANT IT TO BE A NICE SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO GO AND SIT AND CONTEMPLATE OR MEDITATE.

WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR ENVIRONMENT FROM SITTING HERE. WE WILL HAVE NATIVE TREES AND NATIVE SHRUBS THERE. WE'LL PROVIDE SOME EDUCATIONAL INFORMATION AS WELL. SO IT HAS A NUMBER OF PURPOSES.

EDUCATIONAL, ENVIRONMENTAL BY PLANTING TREES AND SHRUBS.

ALSO, WE WANT TO INSPIRE VOLUNTEERS, OKAY. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING IS IF WE NEVER ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ANYONE'S DONE ANYTHING THEN OTHERS WILL NOT BE INSPIRED.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS IN THIS CITY WHO ARE DOING A LOT OF WORK, NOT JUST ON THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT ON MANY DIFFERENT THINGS. AND I THINK IT'S NICE TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT PEOPLE DO BECAUSE IT ENCOURAGES THE FUTURE GENERATION AND SO ON.

SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PURPOSES THAT WE HAVE THAT HAVE BECOME SORT OF WRAPPED UP IN THIS PROJECT. IF YOU THINK ABOUT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE MONUMENT AND THE PATH BUT, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT THE TREES AND AS THEY GROW AND AS THE ONE THAT'S ARE ALREADY THERE GROW AND AS THE SHRUBS GROW, IT'S GOING TO REALLY CREATE A PROTECTIVE ENVIRONMENT. IN THE SUMMER A COOLER

ENVIRONMENT. >> IF I COULD INTERJECT. >> YEAH, SURE.

>> I HAD SOME INITIAL CONCERNS ABOUT THAT ALSO, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A VETERANS AREA IN CENTRAL PARK. SO IT'S SORT OF LIKE WELL, OKAY, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET IN THERE IS IF YOU'RE A VETERAN AND THAT'S TO YOU. SO, IT WAS ALL RIGHT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THEM, WE ACKNOWLEDGE ENVIRONMENTALISTS I'M SURE SOMEONE ELSE WILL COME ALONG AND WANT TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED ALSO.

SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT PART. YES, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE WHEN I READ IT INITIALLY I HAD THE SAME THOUGHT.

ARE WE OPENING, YOU KNOW, A DOOR HERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THE ENVIRONMENT HERE.

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>> YES, WE DO. >> SO THIS WASMEN TO JUST ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT

IT. >> ONE OF THE DISCUSSION THAT'S WE HAD IN OUR BOARD IS WHETHER THE FOCUS SHOULD BE JUST ON THE ENVIRONMENT OR IT SHOULD BE BROADER THAN THAT. I THINK IF IT GETS TOO BROAD THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO EVER HAVE ENOUGH BRICKS TO COVER ALL OF THESE PEOPLE. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REASON WE KEPT IT NARROW. THE OTHER THING IS ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT WE PUT IN THERE IS THAT THE PERSON WOULD HAVE ALREADY PASSED AWAY.

I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I GUESS COULD BE CHANGED, TOO, IN THAT YOU COULD HONOR PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL LIVING. BUT WE TRIED TO I KNOW YOUR COMMITTEE WILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WOULD GO INTO PLACE IF THIS IS APPROVED FOR APPROVING NEW RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THESE ENGRAVED BRICKS IN THIS SPACE.

SO WE TRIED TO SKETCH OUT SOMETHING THAT WAS FAIRLY SIMPLE.

>> MAY I ADDRESS THE DESIGN PART AGAIN JUST FOR A SECOND?

>> YEAH. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME. >> YES.

>> GENTLEMAN, EXCUSE ME, WHEN YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE BENCHES I PERSONALLY AT THIS -- I'M THE ONE WHO DESIGNED THIS I WOULD THINK THOSE BENCHES FOR ME ARE A LITTLE TOO FORMALLY PLACED IN THE CENTRALIZED AT THE MONUMENT. I NOW AM CHANGING MY MIND I'M THINKING WHEN I GET OUT THERE, WHEN WE GET OUT THERE IF THIS IS APPROVED THE BENCHES SHOULD BE INDISCRIMINATELY PLACED NO FORMALITY TO IT.

EITHER ALONG THE PATHWAYS OR WHEREVER, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GO OUT THERE AND FIND A REAL NOT FORMAL LOOK TO IT. THE TREES THAT I PLANTED OR PROPOSE TO PLANT WILL EVENTUALLY SHADE OUT THE PATH A BIT, OVERHANG, CREATE A CANOPY.

IT'S VERY NATURAL SETTING. IF YOU GO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW I MARKED IT ALL OUT WITH WHITE PANT. YOU CAN SEE THE SCALE AND HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.

ON 13TH STREET THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING AREA. AS I WAS DOING THIS I WAS THERE FOR TWO DAYS PEOPLE FROM THE TENNIS COURTS, AND THE GIRL SCOUT BUILDING AND PEOPLE JUST WALKING ACROSS THE FIELD TO GET TO 13TH STREET AFTER THE PARKING OF THE CARS. EVERYBODY WAS INTERESTED IN WHAT WAS GOING ON.

SO I MADE UP THIS BIG STORY. I EXPLAINED WHAT WE WERE DOING OR PROPOSING TO DO.

AND EVERYBODY HAD SEEMED VERY A LOT OF INTEREST. AND THE AREA DOES ATTRACT A LOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY AT THE TENNIS COURTS. A LOT OF PEOPLE PARK HERE TO GO TO THE PICKLE BALL AREA ALSO. I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT -- IT LOOKS VERY FORMAL BUT I THINK WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE INFORMAL. BECAUSE THE PATH IS GOING TO BE JUST A CRUSHED GRAVEL.

IT'S GOING TO FIT RIGHT INTO THE ENVIRONMENT. THE ONLY THING I WOULD CHANGE BEING WITH THIS CONVERSATION, IS TAKE THE BENCHES AWAY FROM THE

FORMALITY OF THE CIRCLE. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO. >> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS

NAN, THIS IS JEAN. >> HI, JEAN. GO AHEAD.

>> IF WE COULD GO BACK TO OUT OF THE FULL SCREEN. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY OTHER

PLANS OR PROPOSALS FOR THE USE OF THAT AREA? >> NO.

NO, NO NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. WE'VE PLANTED. WE PLANTED SOME OAK TREES BETWEEN SOME OF THE COURTS ALREADY. BUT THERE'S NO FORMAL PLANS

FOR THAT SPECIFIC AREA. >> OKAY. THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION.

MY SECOND QUESTION I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF HAVING A REST AREA IN PLACE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS IN CONFLICT BUT THAT AREA IS A VERY HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AREA. BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PARKING TO GET TO PICKLE BALL, TO TENNIS AND TO THE PLAYGROUND. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE INTENT IS YOU WANT PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH THERE, WHICH WOULD SOMEWHAT NEGATE THE FACT OF THE PLACE BEING RESTIVE. IN OTHER WORDS MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE IDEAL SIDE OF THE PARK. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS LOOKED AT THE CORNER OF 13TH AND BEECH IN THAT AREA WHICH IS TRULY RESTIVE AND QUIET. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PLAYS INTO IT AT ALL. WHEN I LOOK AT THIS MOST PEOPLE DON'T JUST FOLLOW THAT PATH NEXT TO THE TENNIS COURTS. MOST, MUCH OF THE TRAFFIC TO THE TENNIS COURTS, PICKLE COURTS AND PLAYGROUNDS GO THROUGH THAT AREA.

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AND I'M THERE SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK. >> YES, AND I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK THERE'S A COMPROMISE HERE BECAUSE THE AREA WE DID LOOK AT BEECH ASK 13TH. IT'S VERY DESOLATE, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET WATER TO THIS AREA YOU'RE SPEAKING OF AND TO GET PEOPLE INTERESTED IN COMING TO THAT AREA. YOU WILL MANY HAVE TO BE A DESTINATION.

WHERE THIS, PEOPLE I THINK ARE GOING TO RESPECT ONCE THEY SEE WHAT IS THERE THEY'RE GOING TO RESPECT IT AND NOT JUST RUN ACROSS THE PATHWAYS OR THE BRICKS.

I THINK THIS IS THE IDEAL SPOT PERSONALLY. I WENT TO THE WHOLE PARK AREA AND I DON'T KNOW, THE INTEREST THAT HE FROM THE PICKLE BALLERS FROM THE PEOPLE IN THE TENNIS AREA AND ALSO PEOPLE COMING OUT OF GIRL SCOUT BUILDINGS WAS VERY POSITIVE. I THINK THE INTENTION IS GOING TO BE THERE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OVERCROWDED. I THINK IT'S A SUBTLE LITTLE

SPOT AND I THINK IT WILL PLAY VERY WELL. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW

WORDS CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? >> YES. >> I SUPPORT THIS CONCEPT FOR THE REASON THAT TREES ARE SILENT AND EVER LIVING AND THE DEAD ARE STILL WITH US THEY'RE SILENT AND EVER LIVING. SO THE COMBINATION THE EMPHASIS ON TREES AND THOSE WHO HAVE PASSED AWAY I THINK IS A BEAUTIFUL SYNERGY.

AND I DO KNOW THAT WHEN SOMEONE LIKE PHIL SCANLIN PASSES AWAY YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. SAME WITH JOAN BEAN AND OTHERS SO I SUPPORT THERE MIGHT BE A CHANGE IN THE EARLIEST ENVIRONMENTALIST WHO ARE -- BUT IN ANY EVENT, PERSONALLY I FEEL THAT THE COMBINATION OF THOSE WHO HAVE PASSED AWAY AND THE TREES IS WHO ARE ACTIVE IN SAVING THE TREES AND THE TREES IS A BEAUTIFUL THING.

THEN THE OTHER THOUGHT I HAVE IS THAT IF WE DO HAVE, IF THERE IS AN IMPULSE TO HONOR SOMEONE WHO'S LIVING LIKE MARGARET KIRKLAND AND ARTHUR HERMAN WE COULD HAVE SEPARATE PARKS FRANKLY WHERE SOMEBODY WOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND PUT DOWN A BRICK.

[LAUGHTER] BUT THAT WOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM -- BUT THAT WOULD NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE PART OF THIS BEAUTIFUL GROVE THAT RECOGNIZES THOSE WHO HAVE GONE ON BEFORE. BUT I DO THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T EMPHASIZE THE LIVING BECAUSE THAT GETS US INTO THIS VEIL OF TEARS AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS IS NOT

HEAVEN ON EARTH. ANYWAY, THANK YOU. >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE

ANYTHING ELSE? >> YEAH, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE.

>> I DON'T DISAGREE AT ALL WITH THE CONCEPT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT TO CREATE THE DESIGN THE BUT TO HAVE THE MONUMENT AND THE PLAQUE AS THE DESTINATION BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE DESIGN LOOKS. THE WALKWAYS GO RIGHT TO IT.

TO ME THAT'S AN ERROR OF EMPHASIS. >> THINK HAVE TO GO THROUGH TREES TO GET TO THAT. AND THROUGH TREES BY BENCHES THROUGH SHRUBS TO GET TO

THEM. >> AS I SAID, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN ACKNOWLEDGE -- YOU CAN ACKNOWLEDGE VOLUNTEERS IN A PUBLIC PARK THEY

SHOULDN'T BE THE CENTRAL FOCUS OF THE DESIGN. >> LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION IF THE PATHWAYS LEADING WERE ELIMINATED WOULD THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO YOU THAT IT WOULD BE A GRASSY AREA AND JUST WANDER AND YOU JUST COME UP AGAINST IT?

>> I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO WEIGH IN ON HOW YOU ACTUALLY DESIGN IT.

>> THAT'S OUR PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, I'M VERY FLEXIBLE. MY INITIAL PLAN WAS NOT EVEN

TO HAVE PATHWAYS AT ALL. >> I THINK THE PATHWAYS ARE FINE.

IF I WAS CONCEPTUALIZING THIS I WOULD HAVE THOSE WALKWAYS I THINK THAT'S FINE. BUT THAT THEY WOULD GO TO SOMETHING THAT IS A DESTINATION. IT'S EITHER LIKE A SIGNATORY, OR A PIECE OF SCULPTURE.

IT'S A PUBLIC THING, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO VOLUNTEERS.

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WE HAVE TO GET THE BALANCE RIGHT. >> NO, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION, CERTAINLY WORTH DISCUSSING. WE THINK OF THAT SPACE AS BEING THE FOCAL POINT AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT, THAT AREA WHERE ARTHUR HAS DRAWN THE MONUMENT THAT HAPPENS TO BE IN THIS CENTER OF IT. BUT WE VIEWED THE SPACE AND THE TREES AND SO ON AS BEING THE FOCAL POINT AND NOT AS MUCH THE MONUMENT.

WE WERE THINKING ABOUT GETTING -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, BUT YOU KNOW WHERE YOU, YOU PUT YOUR CELL PHONE UP AGAINST THE STUFF AND ALL THIS BACKGROUND INFORMATION COMES UP ON-LINE. PROVIDING INFORMATION ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS ON THE BRICKS BUT ALSO WE COULD DO IT ON THE TREES AND THE SHRUBS THAT ARE IN THE ENVIRONMENT AND HAVE IT MORE EDUCATIONAL IN THAT WAY. I MEAN, I THINK WE LOOK AT IT IN A SPACE LIKE THAT IN DIFFERENT WAYS. BUT I PERSONALLY THINK OUR PARK COULD USE MORE GROVES NOT JUST THIS ONE. MAYBE OTHERS IN OTHER PARTS

OF IT. >> I AGREE. HAVING THE TREES IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. IT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. JUST HAVING THE TREES.

THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE VOLUNTEERS IS IMPORTANT BUT IT'S NOT SHOULDN'T BE THE

CENTRAL FOCUS, THE WALKWAY GOES RIGHT TO IT. >> YEAH, WELL, -- IT'S A

DESIGN. >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING. HI, I'M DIANA BERMAN I'M ALSO A BOARD MEMBER OF A.T.C. AND I HAPPEN TO BE MARRIED TO ARTHUR HERMAN THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO DESIGNED THIS HEROES GROVE. YOU MENTIONED THE DIFFERENCE, YOU MENTIONED EAGAN'S CREEK PARK WE LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM EAGAN'S CREEK PARK WE KNOW IT WELL WE WALK OUR DOG THERE. THE FOCUS OF THAT PARK IS REALLY NOT ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT MAKING A SPACE FOR KIDS, AND NATURAL BEAUTY.

IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T HAVE A MEANING. THE HEROES GROVE HAS A MEANING. SO THE PATHWAY SHOULD LEAD TO THE MONUMENT WITH THE EXPLANATION OF WHY THIS HEROES GROVE HAS BEEN INSTALLED IN THIS AREA.

AND IN THIS VERY BEAUTIFUL AREA. I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING THAT IT'S THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE DO CUT THROUGH SO THEY'LL WALK AROUND OR THEY WON'T WALK AROUND -- I MEAN THEY'LL WALK THROUGH IT OR THEY'LL WALK AROUND IT.

THERE'S A PATH. SO I DON'T -- I THINK IT DETERS PEOPLE FROM CUTTING THROUGH IT AND WRECKING THAT LAWN ANYWAY. THE BEST PARK WHICH WHICH IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF CENTRAL PARK, I'M SURE YOU ARE ALL AWARE OF IT THE VETERANS PARK. YOU LEAVE YOU GO TO THAT AS WELL.

THERE'S A PATH LEADING TO THAT AS WELL. I DON'T THINK HAVING A FOCUS IS A DETRIMENT THAT'S WHAT THE PARK IS ABOUT. IT'S ABOUT HONORING PEOPLE WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THIS COMMUNITY, UNFORTUNATELY, HAVE PASSED AWAY.

BUT GIVEN SO MUCH OF THEIR TIME AND ENERGY, LIKE JO ANN BEANE AND PHIL SCANLIN AND REBECCA JORDY, AND MISS BETCH I MEAN THESE PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN TIME, ENERGY.

JUST WONDERFUL. AND I I THINK THIS POWELL ALSO BE IN PERPETUITY.

YOU WOULD GET OTHER -- REALLY WE'RE ALL GOING TO PASS AWAY AT SOME POINT, SO YOU WILL GET OTHERS COME IN. THE PARK FOCUS MAY CHANGE IN 50 YEARS NONE OF US WILL BE HERE. AND THAT CAN HAPPEN AS WELL. I MEAN, THEY CAN CHANGE IT IF THEY WANT. BUT RIGHT NOW, I THINK THIS IS A WAY OF HONORING PEOPLE

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[LAUGHTER] CRICKETS. >> IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC? THE HEROES GROVE PROPOSAL?

>> WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? >> WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M SURE THIS IS GOING TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF ITERATIONS BEFORE IT GETS TO THE COMMISSION OR WHAT THE COMMISSION WILL DO WITH IT. PERSONALLY, I'M FINE WITH THE PROJECT.

THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. IF THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT ARE OBJECTIONABLE I'M SURE THEY WILL MAKE THEIR DEMANDS KNOWN.

AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH, YOU KNOW, IT. IF THE COMMISSION DOESN'T WANT A MONUMENT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A MONUMENT AND THEY ARE DEFINITELY NOT ADVERSE TO MAKING THEIR OPINIONS KNOWN. SO PERSONALLY FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, YOU KNOW, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONCEPT AND LET THEM WORK OUT THE

CONDITIONS. >> BEFORE WE DO -- WELL, IN A SECOND SO THE MOTION IS OUT THERE. WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS HERE THAT AREN'T HERE TODAY.

SO I'M NOT FOR SURE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS DISCUSSION. THIS IS IMPORTANT AND AGAIN I AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH ERIC. I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF THE PROJECT, I LIKE THE CONCEPT FRANKLY OF THE GROVE AND OF, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING PEOPLE.

I'M NOT SO KEEN FRANKLY ON THE BRICKS BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE PUTTING SOMETHING DOWN THAT'S NOT PERMEABLE AND THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WALK ON AND WALK THROUGH THEM AND ALL THAT BECAUSE IT IS A TRAFFICKED AREA. BUT THAT AGAIN IS THE DESIGN IS I'M SURE SOMEWHAT FLEXIBLE IN HOW YOU DESIGN IT.

I'M JUST NOT SURE FOUR OF US SHOULD BE MAKING A VOTE RIGHT NOW.

UNLESS THERE'S URGENCY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE CONSERVANCY RAISING MONEY OR ORDERING PRODUCT. OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TIMELINE OR URGENCY IS?

>> IT'S NO PROBLEM. WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT DONE SOMETIME IN THE WINTER.

BUT THAT WILL BE GREAT. >> I'M NOT TRYING TO DEFER I GUESS I THINK IT IS A NICE PROJECT. I JUST, I'M NOT ALWAYS COMFORTABLE WITH JUST FOUR OUT OF WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A SEVEN PERSON COMMITTEE MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION.

>> I GET THAT. BUT IF ALL FOUR AGREE THAT'S A MAJORITY.

FRANKLY WE JUST GOT THE SLIDE PRESENTATION AT LIKE NOON TODAY.

SO OTHER PEOPLE, OTHER MEMBERS MAY NOT EVEN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT.

>> DID YOU GET THE PACKET? >> YES. WE HAVE THE PACKET AND SO FORTH. I LIKE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE.

THAT'S MY MY SUGGESTION. THE MOTION IS ON THE TABLE. >> JEAN, WE HAVE A MOTION

AND A SECOND. >> WHO SECONDED IT. >> ALEX.

>> ALEX DID.

>> DO YOU WANT GIVE -- ME TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE

TIMELINE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

>> WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT. YES.

>> I AGREE WITH JEAN. HAVING A MOTION AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT DOESN'T GIVE THE APPLICANT HERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT.

IT'S NOW YOU'RE FORCING US TO MAKE A CHOICE. I'LL HAVE TO VOTE NO.

EVEN THOUGH I SUPPORT THE CONCEPT OF THIS, IT'S A DESIGN ISSUE THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE BALANCE OF WHAT THIS THING IS. I DON'T WANT TO VOTE NO ON IT. I WOULD PREFER THAT ARTHUR GO BACK AND THINK ABOUT SOME OF THIS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. AND THEN RESPOND TO IT AT

THE NEXT MEETING. >> OKAY. >> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE TIMELINE THING. OUR NOTION OF WHEN WE PLANT HERE ON THIS ISLAND IS BETWEEN THE END OF HURRICANE SEASON, SO SOMETIME EARLY DECEMBER AND THE END OF

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SO WE WERE HOPING EITHER TO DO THIS IN DECEMBER OR THE FIRST PART OF JANUARY.

I KNOW THAT KEEP NASSAU BEAUTIFUL ALSO HAS A PROJECT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO AT THE END OF JANUARY FOR FLORIDA ARBOR DAY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S FINE.

I THINK IT'S NICER IF WE HAVE THEM SPACED. THAT'S OUR TIMELINE.

WE DO HAVE THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROPOSING THIS PROJECT FOR A GRANT.

THEY WILL PROPOSE IT ON THE 18TH. WE'LL GET IT OR WE WON'T GET IT. BUT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COMPETITION IS, I GUESS.

THOSE ARE THINGS WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FINISHED GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS BY THAT TIME BECAUSE IT ALSO HAS TO GO TO THE COMMISSION. BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO TAKE TIME AND YOU NEED TO WORK ON THINGS BEFORE EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD. IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT EVERYONE'S NOT HERE AND THAT.

>> FREDERICK, NO. >> MEMBER ROSS. >> YES.

>> MEMBER PUGH. >> NO. >> MEMBER LEJUENE.

>> YES. >> SO WE'LL PLACE THIS ON THE OCTOBER AGENDA AND MAYBE ARTHUR CAN MAKE ANY SMALL MODIFICATIONS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE MORE, WE SHOULD -- HOPEFULLY HAVE OUR MEETING AT OUR REGULAR TIME WHICH IS 5:00 WHEN MEMBER KEGLER CAN BE HERE AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE ALL SIX

CURRENT COMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION.

HI. AND WHAT IF OTHER PEOPLE ARE ABSENT WE CAN'T GO AHEAD

AGAIN? HOW DOES THAT PLAY OUT? >> WELL, EVERYBODY'S RECEIVING THESE E-MAILS. WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE MEMBERS THEY'LL SEND ME QUESTIONS AND THEY'LL SEE THESE MINUTES, THE ONE THAT'S ARE ABSENT.

AND BE ABLE TO REVIEW THEM AND KNOW WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AND WHY WE HAD THIS TIE VOTE. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW WE WANTED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO REVIEW IT AND HAVE INPUT. THEY MAY PROVIDE ME INPUT.

IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABSENT THEY CAN PROVIDE ME INPUT VIA E-MAIL JUST TO BE

SHARED. >> OKAY, SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY VOTING JUST

GIVING INPUT? >> RIGHT. YES.

>> I JUST WANT TO ASK ERIC A QUESTION. WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU STRUGGLE WITH IN TERMS OF -- I KNOW YOU DON'T STRUGGLE WITH THE CONCEPT BUT THE DESIGN ELEMENT IF MR. HERMAN IS GOING TO MAKE ANY MODIFICATION WHAT EXACTLY

PRECISELY YOU WANT TO SEE CHANGED? >> WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, I GUESS, IS TO NOT MAKE THE MONUMENT THE CENTRAL FOCUS OF THIS LITTLE MINI PARK.

>> OKAY. >> BUT TO HAVE IT. TO HAVE SOME ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE PEOPLE THAT CONTRIBUTED THAT'S GREAT, ABSOLUTELY GREAT.

>> OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT. NOW WHAT I'M SPEAKING RIGHT NOW THAT CENTERPIECE ELIMINATE PERHAPS KEEP THE PATHWAYS, HAVE THE TREES MAYBE EVEN MORE TREES AND SHRUBS MAKE IT EVEN MORE INFORMAL AND HAVE JUST A SIGN THAT STATES WHAT THIS AREA IS PERIOD. NOT DEAD CENTER OFF TO THE PATHWAY BEFORE YOU LEAD ON FROM, YOU KNOW, JUST ELIMINATE THE BRICKS. THEN THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN

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HONOR PEOPLE'S NAMES. >> BUT CAN WE, IS THERE A WAY TO INCORPORATE WHERE THE FOCUS IS WHERE THE WALKWAYS LEAD TO THE APEX TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE INSTEAD OF A MONUMENT THAT IS A REALLY COOL THING TO BE THERE. LIKE SOME KIND OF REALLY INTERESTING SIGNATORY OR PIECE OF SCULPTURE OR SOME OTHER ELEMENT THAT IS THE

FOCUS OF THIS LITTLE MINI PARK. >> OKAY.

THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL TREE RIGHT NOW WE COULD USE THAT AS A FOCUS.

IT'S A BIG BEAUTIFUL 48 INCH LIVE OAK. BUT MY QUESTION, I GUESS IS AT THAT AREA SHOULD THERE BE NOT A MONUMENT A PLAQUE SAYING WHAT THIS LITTLE

GROVE IS? >> YES, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE, YES.

THERE SHOULD BE SOME IDENTIFYING INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THE GROVE IS WHETHER IT'S A GROVE OF RELAXATION OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

BUT THAT IT'S NOT A MONUMENT TO VOLUNTEERS. THAT'S THE CRUX OF THE PROBLEM FOR ME. IS THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC PARK.

IT'S NOT A MONUMENT TO VOLUNTEERS. >> WELL, WE'RE THE PUBLIC.

>> WELL, THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC THAT DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE TREE CONSERVANCY. I MEAN, AND THE WORDING ON YOUR PLAQUE YOU'RE

SOLICITING MORE VOLUNTEERS. TO ME THAT'S NOT -- >> THAT'S FOR ALL SURVIVAL

-- FOR ALL ALL ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS OR INDIVIDUALS. >> I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND

ARTHUR WHAT I'M SAYING. >> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO INTERJECT.

ARTHUR MENTIONED THE IDEA OF A SIGN. WE ARE ALL ABOUT THE HISTORICAL SIGNS. IF YOU GO ANYWHERE IN THE CITY YOU SEE VERY BEAUTIFUL PROMINENT METALLIC SIGNS WITH NICE WHITE LETTERING ON THE DARK BACKGROUND THAT TALKS TO YOU. MANY, MANY HISTORY BUFFS WANT TO LOOK AT LEAST SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE THAT POINTS OUT THE MEANING OF IT OR A PLAQUE OF SOME SORT. BUT TO ME THE CONCEPT NEEDS TO HONOR THOSE WHO HAVE PASSED AWAY IN THE SERVICE OF OUR TREES AND THEY HERE ARE THE TREES.

IF WE TAKE THAT AWAY IF IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF TREES I THINK IT LOSES ITS MYSTIQUE.

>> I AGREE. AND ITS PURPOSE. >> IF WE CAN BRING THIS TO CLOSURE BECAUSE WE HAVE LOTS OF OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

BUT THE ONE QUESTION I FOR MR. HERMAN. YOU MENTIONED YOU HAD A

CONCEPT WITHOUT PATHWAYS IN. >> CORRECT. >> I'M CURIOUS IF THAT'S WHY YOU TOOK IT OUT BECAUSE YOU'RE A PROFESSIONAL YOU'RE THE PERSON THAT DOES THAT.

>> MY POINT IS THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT REDESIGNS AND YOU MENTION THAT I DON'T KNOW MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO PROPOSE IF

YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO OR ONE PATHWAY. >> PERSONALLY I OFFERED TO THE TREE CONSERVANCY TWO DESIGN CONCEPTS. ONE WAS VERY INFORMAL GREEN AREA WITH TREES AND SHRUBS. WITH JUST A SIGN THAT SAID WHAT THIS AREA IS.

WE JUST COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW COULD WE HONOR INDIVIDUALS WITH THAT

CONCEPT. >> RIGHT. >> WE MAKE A PLAQUE CONTINUALLY ADD NAMES. THEN THE BRICK SITUATION CAME INCH WE KNEW ABOUT EDEN'S CREEK AND THE PIRATES ALSO THE VETERANS THEY HAVE THE SAME CONCEPT.

LET'S CONTINUE THAT CONCEPT. THAT'S HOW THE BRICK SITUATION CAME IN.

ONCE I ADDED THE BRICKS HE AN INFORMAL LOOK IT TO. IT HAS BRICKS WHERE AM I PUTTING THE BRICKS. THERE WAS A FORMALITY THAT HAVE TO BE LED TO THE BRICKS. NOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT TYPE OF SPACE THE BRICKS ARE TAKING

UP. >> 20 FEET BY 15. >> THAT'S A VERY SMALL AREA IT'S A TRIANGLE AREA. IT'S 20 FEET BY 15 ON THE SIDE.

>> OKAY SO THAT'S SCHEMATIC HERE. >> YES.

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>> HOW MANY BRICKS WOULD THAT BE? >> OH, I DON'T KNOW.

IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE BRICK IF THEY WERE STANDARD BRICKS A COUPLE

HUNDRED. >> SO IT WOULD BE A LONG TIME BEFORE YOU RUN OUT OF

SPACE. >> OH, MY GOD. [LAUGHTER]

>> I HOPE SO. I HOPE MY NAME IS NOT ON ONE OF THOSE BRICKS.

>> I'M ALL FOR BRICKS. SO THAT'S MY ISSUE. BUT HOW DO WE HONOR THE

INDIVIDUAL. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. >> THANKS, MR. HERMAN. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANKS GUYS. THE NEXT ITEM IS I.T. 8 FACILITY UPDATE REPORT.

[8. FACILITY UPDATE REPORT]

>> WHAT HAS ARRIVED RECENTLY? >> WHAT HAS ARRIVED? >> YES, WHAT ARE YOU WORKING ON AT THE MOMENT AS FAR AS WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH OUR FACILITIES? IS THE ROOF BEING PUT ON SOMETHING, IS THE PICKLE BALL COURT BEING RESURFACED

IS SOMETHING HAPPENING. >> OKAY, SO RIGHT NOW THE COMMISSION APPROVED THE EXPENSE FOR THE RESURFACING OF THE M.L.K. POOL DECK. SO THEY SHOULD START THAT HOPEFULLY AT THE END OF THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK. WE HAVE COMPLETED THE CONCRETE PATH FOR THE M.L.K. SHADE STRUCTURE WITH THE SIDEWALK THAT RUNS TO HANDICAP PARKING CLOSE BY THERE, SO THAT FOLKS CAN GET OUT OF THEIR VEHICLES AND WHEEL UP ONTO THE SHADE. THE SIMMONS ROAD PARK MOBILIZATION AND PREPARATION SITE FOR THE PARKING AND THE PATH HAS BEGUN. THOSE ARE THE ONLY RECENT OR

EXISTING MAJOR THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. >> OKAY.

>> NAN. >> YES. >> CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE

BIT OF AN UPDATE ON THE BEACH ACCESS. >> YES, I CAN DO THAT.

BEACH ACCESS FOR ANDRE DESOLEE REMEMBER FOR NOT REMEMBERING THE D.N.A. THE NAME OF -- FORGIVE ME FOR NOT REMEMBERING THE NAME OF THE GENTLEMAN.

FRANK COTT MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON A SOLUTION AN OPTION TO HELP WITH THE OUTFALL TO DIVERT THE WATER. SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED WE SHOULD BE FINISHED WITH THE INSTALLATION OF THE ROCK AND SAND TOMORROW. THE DIRT IS ALL READY FOR THE ROCK THEN WE'LL HAVE THE PROTECTIVE SHEET PUT ON AND THEN THE SAND GOES ON TOP OF THAT. SO TOMORROW AFTERNOON HOPEFULLY WEATHER PERMITTING.

>> WEATHER PERMITTING. >> IF YOU GO BY NOW YOU WILL SEE THAT THE ROCK HAS BEEN MOBILIZED, IT WILL BE IN THE MORNING IF IT'S NOT DONE YET.

WE'RE MOVING RIGHT ALONG ON THAT. WAS THAT YOU?

>> SPEAKING OF THAT THERE WAS MENTION OF USE OF IMPACT SEEDS THAT ARE MANAGED BY PARKS AND RECREATION BUT IN THE FUTURE, I PERSONALLY WOULD LOVE TO HEAR A PRESENTATION ON THE SUBJECT OF IMPACT FEE THAT'S ARE USED BY PARKS AND RECREATION WHERE THEY COME FROM AND HOW THEY'RE ALLOCATED. THANK YOU.

>> YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE OUR COMPTROLLER COME DO THAT. SHE CAN TELL YOU THE PERCENTAGES AND ALL THAT WITH MUCH MORE CONFIDENCE AND KNOWLEDGE THAN WHAT I HAVE.

YES, WE CAN ADD THAT TO A FUTURE AGENDA IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL, I AGREE.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ON ANY FACILITY? >> NO.

[9.1 Hickory Street Park ( Member Pugh)]

>> OKAY WE HAVE ITEM 9 IT'S A DISCUSSION IDEA. FIRST ITEM ON THAT IS HICKORY STREET MARK MEMBER PUGH REQUESTED THAT BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA.

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SO I'LL PASS IT OVER TO HER. >> THIS IS JUST AN INFORMATIONAL QUESTION.

I REMEMBER A WHILE BACK WHEN ONE OF THE SOCCER COACHES APPROACHED THE COMMITTEE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A RESTROOM AND A FOUNTAIN AND THE RESPONSE THAT WAS WE DON'T REALLY OWN THOSE FIELDS. COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT RELATIONSHIP IS? BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT HICKORY PARK AS ONE OF OUR PARKS. I DON'T HAVE THE HISTORY.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT THAT RELATIONSHIP IS IS IT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHAT THE CITY OWNS AND WHAT WE DON'T OWN WHAT WE DO OUT THERE AND SO FORTH.

>> SO THE HISTORY OF HICKORY STREET PARK I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE EXACT DATES. BUT APPROXIMATELY CLOSE TO 25, WELL, I THINK WE HAVE A 25 YEAR LEASE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. SO WHEN THE PARK WAS PROPOSED AND THE SCHOOL BOARD PROVIDED THE LEASE AGREEMENT TO THE CITY AND THE CITY NO EVNASSAU COUNTY AND THE COUNTY WAS IN APPROVAL OF PROVIDING $100,000 TO FUND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE FIELDS. THE CITY USED THE $100,000 AND DID THE WORK YOU KNOW WITH IRRIGATION, PUTTING THE WELL IN, PUTTING THE PUMP IN, ALL THE FENCING, ALL OF THE STUFF TO COMPLETE THE PARK. SO IT WAS YOU KNOW THERE WAS THREE DIFFERENT ENTITIES. THE SCHOOL BOARD OWN THAT'S PROPERTY.

THAT LEASE COMES UP I THINK IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS. SO SINCE WE DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY, WE CANNOT USE IMPACT FEES TO BUILD ON THAT PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S WHERE -- CITY PUT IN MAN HOURS, THE COUNTY FUNDED IT AND THE SCHOOL

BOARD PROVIDED THE PROPERTY. >> OKAY. SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT PARK JUST FROM 15TH STREET ALL THE WAY BACK THAT WHOLE SECTION ALONG

HICKORY FROM 15TH STREET BACK TOWARD THE SCHOOL? >> RIGHT.

DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL SOFTBALL, BASEBALL FIELDS.

>> RIGHT. >> YES. SO THAT WHOLE GROVE OF TREES THAT'S AGAINST 15TH STREET BELONGS TO THE COUNTY, THAT SECTION TOO?

>> NASSAU COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD. PART OF THE REASON I'M REQUESTING IS TWO FOLD. ONE IS BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT BE IN A POSITION TO GRANT LAND IN GRANT LAND AS A DOG PARK. WE DON'T OWN THAT LAND SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW THAT DISCUSSION CAME ABOUT. AND ALSO, WITH MARGARET SAYING THAT THE COUNTY IS THAT THE PIECE OF LAND THEY'RE LOOKING AT SELLING?

>> WELL, I MIGHT HAVE HEARD RUMOR. >> THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

SOME MAY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD. YEAH, IT IS ALSO OWNED, EXCUSE ME, ZONED SCHOOL PROPERTY, PUBLIC SCHOOL PROPERTY.

FOR THEM TO CHANGE IT OR SELL IT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THE CITY TO GET

THEIR ZONING CHANGED. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> OKAY.

I JUST WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE IT KEEPS KIND OF POPPING UP. I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THAT RELATIONSHIP WORKS. NOW DO WE, DO WE MAINTENANCE THAT PROPERTY?

>> WE MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY. WE PAY THE UTILITIES, YES. >> OKAY.

>> WE REPAIR ANYTHING THAT'S DAMAGED. >> SO THAT PARK TO TECHNICALLY ANYBODY CAN GO USE THAT FACILITY, THAT'S NOT SCHOOL PROPERTY IN TERMS OF LIKE I CAN'T GO IN USE THE STADIUM BUT I WOULD ASSUME ANYBODY CAN GO ON THE

SOCCER FIELDS AND WHATEVER THERE AND USE THEM? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

TEAS A PUBLIC PARK. -- IT'S A PUBLIC PARK. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. THAT WAS JUST AN INFORMATIONAL QUESTION.

>> THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION FOR THE PEOPLE TO KNOW. >> FOLLOW ON, I REMEMBER THIS CAME UP IN MY VERY FIRST MEETING AND I VOLUNTEERED TO FOLLOW THROUGH AND SEE IF I COULD GET TO THE SOURCE FOR BRINGING A NEEDED RESTROOM TO THAT PARK. I DID CONTACT THE COUNTY AND GOT NO RESPONSE.

I WAS LED TO BELIEVE THAT THE COUNTY WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTACT THE SCHOOL BOARD.

BUT I REALIZE I SHOULD PROBABLY NOW VERY BELATEDLY CONTACT THE SCHOOL BOARD.

AND NAN HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL ALL ALONG. I JUST FAILED TO DO 100%

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[LAUGHTER] >> OKAY. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU GUYS READY TO MOVE ONTO THE NEXT DISCUSSION

[9.2 Vehicular Parking on grassy area during events]

THERE'S AN ATTACHMENT HERE THAT ALISHA BROWN PREPARED AS SHE MANAGES SPECIAL EVENTS APPLICATIONS. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ALISHA.

>> I I SENT OUT AN E-MAIL TO EVERYONE JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE WHAT I'M ASKING FOR. SO THE CITY MANAGER WANTED ME TO BRING THIS TO YOU GUYS FOR APPROVAL. I'M BASICALLY ASKING HOW DOES THE COMMITTEE FEEL ABOUT US APPROVING EVENTS THAT REQUIRE PARKING ON THE GRASSY AREA.

SO I GAVE YOU THREE YEARS OF EVENTS THAT REQUIRE PARKING. THE TYPE OF VEHICLE AND THE LOCATION OF THE PARK. THAT WAY YOU GUYS CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION, I MEAN IT'S NOT A LOT OF REQUESTS BUT WE DO GET REQUESTS. I JUT WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT US APPROVING EVENTS THAT ARE ASKING TO PARK VEHICLES IN THE GRASSY

AREA. >> FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO, I DON'T ENVY YOU THIS JOB. [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF TOE THAT'S CAN BE STEPPED ON WITH THESE. I DO KNOW THAT THE BUGGIES ON THE BEACH BUGS THE HUMANE SOCIETY. IT'S A NONPROFIT AND YOU DO GET A LOT OF BENEFIT FROM THAT. AND -- THESE ARE VERY UNUSUAL CARS. THEY HAVE TAKEN JUST WELL DIFFERENT CAR PARTS ONTO CARS AND THEY HAVE A RALLY AND THEY CHARGE $425 A CAR. IS THIS A NONPROFIT OR IS

THIS A PROFIT EVENT? >> IT'S A PROFIT EVENT. THEY ACTUALLY PRETTY MUCH TRAVEL EVERYWHERE THAT THE CONCOURSE IS. SO YOU HAVE THE HIGH END CARS THESE ARE THE JUNK CARS. SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THEY DON'T CHARGE YOU TO COME TO THIS EVENT. I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY DONATE THE MONEY LIKE CONCOURSE DOES. BUT I DO KNOW THAT IT'S

PRETTY MUCH THEY WORK TOGETHER. >> THEY DO PAY A RENTAL FEE

FOR THE USE OF THE PARK. >> AND HOW MUCH IS THE FEE? >> I THINK IT'S $650 BECAUSE

THEY'RE COMMERCIAL. >> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

WHAT'S BROUGHT THIS UP? WHAT INSTIGATED, IF THIS HAS BEEN THE PRACTICE WHAT INITIATED, WAS IT A CONCERN FOR THE GRASS ITSELF? WAS IT A CONCERN FOR OVERCROWDING? WERE THERE PROBLEMS IN THE PAST IT WITH WHAT HAS INITIATED THIS SUDDEN CONCERN. I HONESTLY DON'T NOTE.

I HAVE ATTACHED THE INFORMATION. >> MAYBE I CAN ANSWER SOME

OF THOSE. >> SO ISSUES WERE BOTH TRASH TRASH.

I KNOW THERE WERE PROMISES GIVEN THAT THEY WOULD TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN TRASH THEN

SOMETHING HAPPENED WITH THAT. >> MY MAJOR CONCERN WHERE IS THE IRRITATION SYSTEM FOR THE GRASS. WHICH GRASS.

IF THERE IS A IRRIGATION SYSTEM. IT'S SOME SORT OF VEGETATION.

WE DON'T REALLY RUN THAT IRRIGATION VERY OFTEN. BUT IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO USE IT WE WE CAN BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD AN ISSUE WITH EVER HAVING ANY IRRIGATION

BREAK OR IRRIGATION HEADS BEING DAMAGED. >> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS WHEN THEY PAY THE FEE FOR THE USE OF THE SPACE IS THERE, SO THAT IS THEIR VENDING AREA. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE PARKING CARS SOMEWHERE AND

THEY'RE VENDING SOMEWHERE ELSE IS THAT CORRECT? >> WHERE THERE BOOTHS OR VENDING AREAS SET UP SOMEWHERE THEN THEY'RE ALSO PARKING ON THE GRASS FOR THE

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VEHICLES? >> IT DEPENDS ON THE EVENT. >> LIKE BUGGIES ON THE BEACH THEY HAVE CARS PARKED AND THEY ALSO HAVE VENDORS PARKED IN THAT SPACE.

SAME THING WITH THE VEHICLES FOR THE BARBEQUE IS THEY'RE ALL VENDORS ARE ALL IN THE SAME SPACE. IS THERE NO, IS A FEE NOT BASED ON NUMBER OF VEHICLES THERE OR IS IT JUST THAT THEY HAVE LEASED THE WHOLE SPACE.

>> IF YOUR VEAK WILL BE PARKED OVERNIGHT WE DO CHARGE $25 PER VEHICLE.

IF IT'S JUST FOR AN EVENT YOU ARE PAYING FOR THE EVENT THEN THE ORGANIZER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING THE GARBAGE AWAY. THEIR DEPOSIT IS HALF OF THEIR RENTAL RATE. IF THEY DON'T REMOVE THEIR GARBAGE THEY DON'T GET THEIR DEPOSIT BACK. OTHER THAN THE DUMPSTER BEING LEFT TO LOAD, WHICH NOT REALLY THE ORGANIZER'S FAULT. I MEAN THEY CAN'T MOVE THE

DUMPSTER. SO THAT WAS THE ONLY ISSUE. >> THAT WAS IN THE PARKING LOT. YES. IT WASN'T IN THE ACTUAL

PARKING IT WAS LEFT IN THE PARKING LOT. >> OKAY.

>> I GUESS MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS APPARENTLY YOU WERE ORIGINALLY ASKED BY MR. MARTIN BECAUSE HE NEEDED TO TAKE INFORMATION BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF SOMETHING WAS RAISED AT A COMMISSION MEETING I DON'T KNOW DAN IF YOU ARE AWARE OF ANYTHING OR THAT IT BECAME AN ISSUE WITH THE COMMISSION. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS SENT TO US WITHOUT REALLY

UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE ISSUES ARE? >> I HAVE NOT HEARD IT DISCUSSED IN THE COMMISSION MEETING BEFORE. BUT THEN I'M NOT ALWAYS

THERE FOR THE ENTIRE MEETING. >> RIGHT. RIGHT.

I DO TYPICALLY WATCH. >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY EXPRESS THE GENERAL IDEA WE'VE HAD AN EVENT TRADITIONALLY THAT OUR COMMUNITY LOVES AND DEPENDS ON AND LOOKS FORWARD TO WE SHOULDN'T LIMIT THE ABILITY OF THE TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE EVENT. IT'S A BRAND NEW EVENT THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S THE DEAL HERE THEN WE MIGHT WANT TO GET INVOLVED AND START CHANGING THE RULES.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH TRADITION. >> ALEX.

>> I THINK -- I THINK WHEN I LOOKED AT IT THE ONLY ISSUE I SAW IS 109 VEHICLES PARKED

ON THE GRASS. THAT'S A LOT OF VEHICLES. >> THAT'S A LOT.

>> SITTING ON THE GRASS. >> MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE SOME.

>> -- >> LIMIT. >> SOME KIND OF GUIDELINES.

IN THE SUMMER FOR THREE DAYS YOU'RE GOING TO SHOW SOME DAMAGE ON A LAWN.

>> YOU ARE GOING TO KILL THE GRASS WHATEVER'S THERE. >> THIS HAS BEEN DONE YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR AND THE GRASS HASN'T BEEN RUINED.

WHAT IS THE EXPLANATION FOR THAT? >> WELL, THE BUGGIES WAS

ONLY 40. >> OKAY, THAT'S THE KEY. OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> ACCORDING TO THIS CHART, SO I JUST WAS LIKE WOW ALMOST THREE TIMES TWO AND A HALF TIMES AS MANY VEHICLES. SO CERTAINLY I CAN'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH FOUR OR FIVE VEHICLES. 109, YOU KNOW, NOW YOU BASICALLY TURN YOUR GRASS

INTO A PARKING LOT. >> I THINK WHAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE E-MAIL WAS THAT VENDORS, LIKE THE RIGHT WELL FESTIVAL AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE OKAY ON THE GRASS. IT WAS THE VEHICLES AND THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES ON THE

GRASS THAT WERE BECOMING SOMEWHAT PROBLEMATIC. >> SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PUT A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES ON THE GRASS. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE WANTS

TO ENTERTAIN THAT THOUGHT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT A PROBLEMATIC PART PARK AS THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT WE HAVE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH ANYTHING FROM OR SCOTT -- THAT YOU KNOW, THEY COME IN, THEY DO THAT

LITTLE STUFF. >> I WAS AT THAT EVENT THIS YEAR.

EITHER I CAN'T COUNT VERY WELL OR -- I MEAN -- >> IT WAS 42 OVERNIGHT VEHICLES BUT THE TOTAL AMOUNT WAS 109. SO MOST OF THOSE VEHICLES CAME IN THE DAY OF THE EVENT AND THEY LEFT. BUT 42 OF THEM WERE THERE

SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY. >> OKAY. >> WAS THERE ONE EVENT

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CANCELLED THIS YEAR? >> WASN'T THAT EVENT THE BUGGIES ON THE BEACH

CANCELLED THIS YEAR? >> NO. THEY HAD IT.

THIS WEREN'T MANY PEOPLE. WIN THE DOWN EVERY DAY BUT THEY DID HAVE IT.

THERE WEREN'T MANY PEOPLE. >> THE ONLY FUSS I SAW BEING MADE ABOUT PARKING ON THE GRASS IS WHEN PEOPLE WERE DOING IT WHEN THEY RAN OUT OF SPACE AT MAY BEACH IN THE REGULAR SPACES. I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY ISSUES ABOUT IT DURING EVENTS.

>> I THINK THIS IS JUST FOR EVENTS. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS CURIOUS

WHAT INSTIGATED IT. >> CAN WITH JUST FOLLOW UP WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND MAKE SURE WE ARE ANSWERING THE QUESTION. IS IT THE MAJOR ISSUE WITH EVENTS IN ALL THE CARS PARKING ON THE GRASS. IF THAT'S WHAT HE'S ASKING

US YOU NEED COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. >> SO, I'M SCOTT MICHAELSON PARKS AND RECREATION. SO JUST FROM LISTENING TO THIS, I WOULD ASSUME THAT MAYBE THE QUESTION BEING ASKED IS THAT IS THE MAJOR ISSUE IS WITH SOME OF THE EVENTS AND THE AMOUNT OF CARS THAT ARE BEING PARKED ON GRASS.

>> IF THAT IS COMING FROM THE COMMISSION GOING BACK TO THE CITY MANAGER TO GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU GUYS WE CAN FIND THAT OUT IF THAT'S WHAT THE MAIN QUESTION IS. THEN I GUESS BRING IT BACK TO YOU GUYS.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS BEING ASKED, AM I CORRECT?

>> YEAH, IN THE CITY MANAGER'S E-MAIL, I THINK HE EXPRESSED THE VIEW THAT HE DIDN'T THINK THAT CARS SHOULD BE PARKED ON THE GRASS.

>> SO LIKE, LIKE, SO FOR THE DUNE BUGGIES MAYBE THE EVENT IS OKAY BUT MAYBE THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH ALL THE DUNE BUGGIES BEING PARKED MAYBE THEY COULD BE PARKED SOMEWHERE ELSE. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT HE WAS ASKING.

>> OR DOES HE HAVE A PROHIBITION AGAINST ALL VEHICLES PARKING ON THE GRASS THEN HAVE YOU NO EVENTS. TO ME THERE'S --

>> EXACTLY. >> THERE'S A DIFFERENCE HERE BETWEEN HAVING AN EVENT WHICH HAS CARS OR VEHICLES, WHICH I THINK IS FINE AS OPPOSED TO CARS PARKING ON THE GRASS THAT AREN'T RELATED TO AN EVENT. THEY'RE JUST THERE FOR

INFORMAL PARKING. >> I THINK WE PUT UP SOME NO PARKING SIGNS RECENTLY IN SOME AREAS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WHERE PEOPLE WERE PARKING IN RIGHT OF WAYS.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. I DON'T CARE IF THERE'S 109 IF THEY'LL FIT, FINE.

THE GRASS RECOVERS. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEAR AFTER YEAR.

>> YEARS. >> IT WOULD BE NICE IF THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT COULD CHARGE OR COULD RENT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES.

BECAUSE THEN YOU WILL MAKE MORE MONEY. BUT NONETHELESS, I THINK IT'S FINE TO HAVE THOSE KIND OF EVENTS AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT ALSO PARKING CARS THAT

ARE SUPPLIMENTARY FOR AN EVENT. >> USING IT FOR PARKING.

>> USING IT AS JUST VISITOR PARKING. >> MAYBE EVERY EVENT CAR SHOULD HAVE TO PAY LIKE $ A PERMIT AND HAVE TO PUT IT IN THE -- $1 A PERMIT AND HAVE TO PUT IT IN THE WINDOW OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW.

>> WE'RE ALREADY CHARGING A RENTAL FEE AND A DEPOSIT. >> I DON'T THINK -- IS THERE SIGNS THERE? I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S BEING USED FOR PARKING FOR THE

GENERAL PEOPLE GOING TO THE BEACH THAT OFTEN. >> NOT THAT OFTEN.

ON HOLIDAY WEEKENDS YOU WILL SEE IT. LIKE A BIG HOLIDAY WEEKEND YOU WILL SEE PEOPLE PULLING IN TO PARK. BUT WHEN I GO DOWN THERE ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS EVEN THE EXISTING LOTS AREN'T EVEN DOLPHIN STREET AND THE MAIN ONE THEY'RE NOT FULL. BUT WHEN IT IS HOLIDAY PEOPLE ARE PARKING WHEREVER

THERE'S -- >> I THINK THE QUESTION IS RELATED TO SPECIAL EVENTS.

>> THIS IS JUST FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. >> IF I COULD GO BACK SCOTT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. WHEN YOU READ THE E-MAIL FROM GAIL MARTIN HE SAYS THE USED OF THE AREA IS ACCESSIBLE FOR VENDORS, TENTS AND BOOTHS BUT THAT VEHICLES SHOULD NOT BE PARKING ON THE GRASS. BUT HE ENDS IT BY SAYING -- THAT'S WAS THERE DID ANYTHING COME FROM THE COMMISSION WITH DIRECTION?

THAT'S ALL. >> BECAUSE I THINK WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS YOU CAN

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THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DRIVE CARS ON IT. >> NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S

ABOUT. >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE MEANS.

>> THAT'S THE WAY I TOOK IT. >> I TOOK IT AS APPROVED -- WELL, MAYBE WE NEED TO ASK HIM SPECIFICALLY EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS. BECAUSE IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE CONSENSUS IS IF IT'S FOR THE EVENTS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WE DON'T HAVE ANY OUTFALL FROM THEM THEN YOU GUYS SEEM LIKE WHY IT'S NOT BROKEN WHY FIX IT.

BUT WE NEED SOME MORE SPECIFICATION ON IS THIS JUST FOR EVENTS OR IS THIS FOR -- WE JUST NEED TO GET THAT FOR YOU GUYS. WHY DON'T WE DO THAT.

WE'LL PUT THAT BACK ON WITH MORE DETAIL FROM THE CITY MANAGER AT THE OCTOBER MEETING. WOULD THAT BE GOOD FOR EVERYBODY?

>> YES. >> ONON JULY 21ST HE ASKED FOR FUTURE EVENTS OF THAT MAY BE SIMILAR IN NATURE TO THIS PAST WEEK'S BEACH BUGGIES VEHICLES SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ONTO THE GRASSY AREAS. SO HE WAS SPECIFIC MEANS EVENTS WHERE THERE'S PARKING ON THE GRASS FOR THE EVENT. SO HE'S ASKING HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT EVENTS THAT ARE ASKING TO PARK CARS ON THE GRASS LIKE BUGGIES ON

THE BEACH AND THE BARBEQUES AND NOW -- >> ST. MICHAEL'S CARNIVAL.

>> ST. MICHAEL'S CARNIVAL. IT'S TRADITION WE KEEP IT. >> I FEEL LIKE THIS SPACE SHOULD BE USED IS IT OKAY FOR CARS OR EVENTS TO PARK IN THE GRASS?

>> YES. >> YES. >> THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS MAY BEACH. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING ON KEEPING THE SAND.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY VEGETATION ON IT YOU HAVE A STORM YOU LOSE IT.

SO AS LONG AS WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP THE VEGETATION ON MAY BEACH I'M FINE WITH IT.

IT'S JUST I GET A LITTLE CONCERNED. I KNOW I WENT DOWN AND LOOKED AT BUGGIES ON THE BEACH IT AND WAS LIKE WOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE

LOTS OF VEHICLES ON THE GRASS. >> HOW DID THE HUMANE

SOCIETY GET THE MONEY. >> SOMETIMES THERE'S NOTHING BUT SAND OUT THERE BECAUSE IT BLOWS UP FROM THE BEACH. YOU CAN TELL LIKE THE SIDEWALKS IT CONTINUES TO GET ELEVATED OUT THERE BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE BEACH.

>> I WOULD LIKE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT INITIATED THIS.

IF THIS HAS BEEN WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOREVER WITHOUT A PROBLEM WHY IS IT SUDDENLY AN ISSUE? I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST MISSING SOME INFORMATION

HERE. >> WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER HERE COMMISSIONER ROSS WOULD LIKE TO HE RAISED HIS HAND SO I THINK HE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

>> THE MAIN ISSUE IS MAINTENANCE. CARS PARKING THERE HOW MUCH DAMAGE THEY DO, WHAT DOES IT COST TO FIX AND IF THEY DIDN'T PARK THERE WOULD WE HAVE GRASS THERE ALL THE TIME? THE MAIN ISSUE IS MAINTENANCE. CARS PARKING THERE YOU PUT 100 CARS THERE IS THERE

IRRIGATION UNDER THERE? >> THERE IS IRRIGATION. >> IRRIGATION GETS CRUSHED.

>> NO, WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT. >> WELL, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME OTHERWISE.

I'M NOT DISPUTING IT. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THE ISSUE.

THE ISSUE IS WE HAVE AN ONGOING PROBLEM WITH MAINTENANCE IN CITY AND WE'RE PAYING FOR IT. TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR IT. SO THE MORE CARS THAT USE THAT THE MORE MAINTENANCE IT NEEDS THAT'S THE ISSUE. IT'S SIMPLE AND SIMPLE.

PARKING THERE, -- PEACE PURE AND SIMPLE. PARKING ON GRASS CAUSE PROBLEMS. CARS ON GRASS CAUSE PROBLEMS. IT DOESN'T CAUSE HOW MUCH OF A PROBLEM AND THAT'S THE ISSUE.

>> OKAY. >> WE CAN'T ELIMINATE MAINTENANCE FROM EVERYTHING.

>> THAT'S WHY WE CHARGE A RENTAL FEE. >> I'M WILLING TO PAY TAXES TO MAINTAIN THINGS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS OCCASIONALLY.

>> OCCASIONALLY, YES. >> THEN MAYBE THE SUGGESTION IS WE LOOK AT WHAT IT'S COSTING US TO MAINTAIN THIS AND ADJUST THE FEES ACCORDINGLY SO THE TAXPAYERS ARE NOT TOTAL -- PAYING FOR THE EVENT. YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO RECOUP ALL THE EVENTS ERIC. YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO RECOUP POLICE COSTS.

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>> HE HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE. >> YOU KNOW, IF IT'S COSTING, YOU KNOW, $50,000 BY THE CITY WE'RE COLLECTING $20,000 IN FEES YOU MIGHT NEED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT.

THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY SUGGESTION TO POTENTIALLY DEAL WITH THAT.

>> RIGHT. >> WE HAVE NO RECORD OF HAVING TO DO ANY REPAIRS FROM VEHICLE DAMAGE. NOW WE HAVE HAD, WHERE PEOPLE HAVE DRIVEN TENT STAKES THIS LONG THROUGH THE WATER MAIN THAT'S WHY WE DON'T ALLOW STAKED TENTS THEY HAVE TO BUCKET THEM. BUT WE HAVEN'T APPROVED ANY COSTS FOR DAMAGE FROM VEHICLES SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. WHICH IS NOVEMBER 28TH, IT WILL BE 25 YEARS. INSPECTS IT WAS LIKE THE EQUIPMENT -- UNLESS, IT WAS

LIKE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS NOT PART OF AN EVENT. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T

HAVE AN ANSWER. MOVE ON BECAUSE I KNOW. >> WE HAVE FIVE MINUTES LEFT

BECAUSE THERE'S. >> ONE LAST QUESTION. DOES THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE

CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS? >> ALL THE EVENTS OF THAT ARE REQUESTED ALL THE

APPLICATION GOES TO THE SPECIAL EVENT COMMITTEE. >> SO THAT'S ANOTHER LAYER

OF PROTECTION. >> YES, SIR. >> REGARDING WHAT HAPPENS.

>> YES, SIR. THEY REVIEW. THE COMMITTEE OR THE EVENTS HAVE TO PAY FOR THE POLICE THEY HAVE TO, THEY PAY FOR THEIR OWN TRASH.

>> RIGHT. >> THEN THEY PAY THE RENTAL FEE.

WE JUST FOLLOW UP TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE CLEANING UP.

THEN THE COMMITTEE REVIEWS EACH EVENT AFTER IT TAKES PLACE.

SO IF THERE IS AN ISSUE FROM AN EVENT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE ISSUE IS IT'S DISCUSSED AND NOTED SO IF THEY COME BACK THE NEXT YEAR WE HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF WHAT AN ISSUE MIGHT HAVE BEEN. SO WE HAVE A PROCESS AND A PROCEDURE IN PLACE.

>> OKAY. >> OKAY. SO WE'LL GET MORE DETAILS FOR THE NEXT MEETING ON THAT. AND WE HAVE I JUST GOT THE

[9.3 Columbarium Conceptual Plan]

AGAIN. WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL. >> YEAH.

>> I KNOW THERE WERE MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE QLUM BARRIUM CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

WE -- COLUMBARIUM CONCEPTUAL PLAN. >> MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A FEW

QUESTIONS. >> YOU WANT QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

>> ALSO OUR ARCHITECTS ARE ALSO ON THE CALL. A LOT ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY

DESIGN QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER ANY CITY QUESTIONS. >> HOW WAS THE 180 UNITS FOR THE FIRST SECTION OF PHASE ONE DETERMINED? HOW DID THAT NUMBER COME

ABOUT? >> SO, LOOKING AT THAT WAS WHAT ACTUALLY FITS IN THAT

WALL. >> THE WALL SIZE CHANGED. >> HOW OFTEN DO YOU SELL GRAVE SITES IN THE CEMETERY? LIKE ONE A WEEK, ONE A MONTH?

>> IT JUST DEPENDS. >> AVERAGE A YEAR? >> AVERAGE OH AVERAGE GRAVE

SALES PER YEAR? >> YES. >> I COULDN'T TELL YOU THAT OFF THE TOP. SOMETIMES THERE MIGHT BE 10 A WEEK SOMETIMES IT MIGHT BE

ZERO A WEEK. >> OKAY. BUT A MONTH MAYBE?

AN AVERAGE? >> WE PROBABLY SELL BETWEEN SEVEN AND 10 A MONTH.

OKAY. >> THANKS, SCOTT. I -- ALWAYS ON MY DESK.

ON AVERAGE. ON AVERAGE. >> THE REASON WE'RE DOING THAT IS BECAUSE PEOPLE WANTED TO COLUMBARIUM OR A REASON.

>> NO PEOPLE WANTED THE COLUMBARIUM. >> I WOULD SAY A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. THE TREND IS THAT AS I SAID LIKE 70% OF PEOPLE ARE GETTING CREMATED NOW. SO IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A CITY

FACILITY THAT CAN HANDLE THAT. >> RIGHT.

I KNOW I WENT BACK TO THE FUNERAL NATIONAL FUNERAL DIRECTORS WHATEVER AND YES THEY ARE GETTING CREMATED BUT THEY'RE COMING UP WITH SOME REALLY CREATIVE WAYS TO I HATE TO SAY THIS, DISPOSE OF THE REMAINS. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY

BROUGHT UP WAS A SCATTER BARBIE? >> WE ARE LOOKING FOR FUNDING PART OF THINK THE YEAR AND PART OF IT NEXT YEAR FOR A MASTER LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE CEMETERY. ONE OF THE TASKS HAS BEEN TO INCLUDE EITHER MEMORIAL WALLS, MORE SMALLER COLUMBARIUM OR SCATTERING GARDENS.

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>> OKAY. THE NUMBERS FOR SEEM TO BE REALLY DOWN FOR ACTUALLY USING THE COLUMBARIUM FOR THE REMAINS. SO THE TREND WAS GOING THE OTHER WAY. SO I KNOW ERIC ADDRESSED THE POINT OF THE SCOPE OF THE SIZE OF IT AND I'M NOT SURE HOW 180 OF THESE CAN BE SOLD.

THIS IS REALLY A DIFFICULT THING. IF WE COULD DO A SMALLER TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT TO DO A TEST DRIVE OF COLUMBARIUMS YOU KNOW I WOULD FEEL MORE

COMFORTABLE. >> SO THE FRIENDS GROUP ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'RE WORKING ON AND THEY'RE KIND OF WAITING UNTIL WE GET TO THAT NEXT PHASE IS REALLY PUTTING TOGETHER THAT WAIT LIST. THIS WAY WE CAN GAUGE WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT. BECAUSE THEN THAT WILL HELP US FIGURE OUT ALSO WE WANT

TO DO PRESALES BEFORE WE EVEN GET THIS BUILT. >> SAL.

>> GO AHEAD. >> THE CITY COMMISSION AS FAR AS I KNOW HAS NOT ADDED ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO THE $85,000 THAT'S IN THE BUDGET.

>> CORRECT. >> SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS PROJECT?

>> CORRECT. SO RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON FROM THE CITY END AND FROM THE FRIENDS OF BOSK BELLA ARE WAYS TO COME UP WITH THE REST OF -- BOSQUEBELLO ARE WAYS TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY. IT'S A SMALL GROUP SO WE'RE NOT EXPECTING IT WILL FUND THE WHOLE THING. BUT WE WILL GET SOME DONATIONS THEY WILL HELP WITH PRESALES. OUR TEAM WITH THE CITY AND OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN HELP BRING THE COSTS DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR PHASE ONE. AS WELL AS OTHER LITTLE TWEAKS THAT WE'LL BE WORKING. WE WILL BE WORKING ON HOW WE FUND IT WITH THAT 85,000 PLUS WHATEVER WAS LEFT OVER FROM THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

AND WE WILL BE WORKING TOWARDS GETTING SOME FOR NEXT PHASE TWO OR PHASE ONE IF WE DON'T GET TO IT THIS YEAR IN NEXT YEAR'S CITY BUDGET.

SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON THAT. >> WILL WE GET TO SEE WHAT

THOSE TWEAKS ARE? >> UH-HUH, YES. SO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS KIND OF THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL SCHEMATIC PHASE. WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ON I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS BROUGHT UP ABOUT EXACTLY WHERE THE TREES ARE AND WHERE SOME GRAVES ARE. THE TEAM WAS WORKING WITH THE SURVEY THAT'S WE HAVE NOW IN THIS NEXT PHASE WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE DRILLING DOWN A LITTLE MORE AND GETTING THOSE ACTUAL EVERYTHING RESURVEYED TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS THERE. SO THERE WILL BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS STILL.

WE WILL SHOW YOU GUY THAT'S AS THEY HAPPEN. >> I DID GO TO THE EVERGREEN SITE IN JACKSONVILLE NOT PHYSICALLY, BUT I LOOKED ON-LINE.

AND THEY HAD SOME VERY INTERESTING COLUMBARIUMS FOR UNITS THAT ARE MUCH SMALLER THAT YOU KNOW I THINK THEY'RE MORE INTO THE BUILD AS YOU GO-TYPE OF THING.

THEY HAVE AN INTERESTING PLAN, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ACTUALLY LOCATED AT IT.

I MEAN THEY'LL MAKE YOUR ASHES INTO EARRINGS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

IT'S QUITE AMAZING. >> NAN WILL BE IN CHARGE OF THAT.

[LAUGHTER] >> I'M WEARING THEM NOW. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. >> SURE.

>> IN YOUR SELLING PLAN HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT GIVEN TO PRESELLING?

>> YES. SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO AND THE FRIENDS GROUP WILL HELP THE CITY WITH. BUT WE WANT TO GET ONTO THE NEXT PHASE BEFORE SO WE DEFINITELY HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY UNITS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AND WHAT PHASE WE'LL BE WORKING ON. SO YES WE WANT TO DO PRESALES. WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT BUDGETARY ISSUES AS FAR AS SINCE THIS WAS AN AREA THAT WASN'T SET ASIDE FOR ANYTHING IT WAS JUST GREEN SPACE. THIS IS NOT FUNDS THAT THE CEMETERY ISRY LYING ON FOR MAINTENANCE RIGHT NOW -- RELYING ON FOR MAINTENANCE RIGHT NOW.

AS WE SELL THESE THE PERCENTAGE THAT NORMALLY GOES INTO THE PERPETUAL CARE FUND WILL CONTINUE TO GO BUT THE REST WILL GO INTO THE BUILDING FUNDS TO FUND

FUTURE PHASES AND OFFSET SOME COSTS. >> OKAY.

>> JUST FOR NEXT JUST TO ASK QUESTIONS OF NAN. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> WHAT HAPPENED TO THE RESOLUTION FOR OUR COMMITTEE? WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF GETTING IT TO THE COMMISSION WHICH JEAN BROUGHT UP?

>> I HAVE TO PUT IT ON AS AN ITEM. I JUST HAVE NOT DONE THAT.

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DONE. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> ANYONE ELSE?

>> SORRY I'M JUST TRYING TO CLEAN UP FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

>> IS THIS GOING TO STAY FOR THE NEXT MEETING? >> THE COLUMBARIUM?

STAY ON THE AGENDA? >> YES. >> WHATEVER YOU WANT.

I WOULD LIKE THAT. >> OKAY. >> THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

AND I WILL SEND OUT THE THING TO YOU AGAIN. YOU REMIND ME.

>> AS OF RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN A HOLD ON ANY WORK FOR THE COLUMBARIUM.

WE WERE LOOKING FOR JUST A GENERAL ACCEPTANCE FROM THIS BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD BEFORE WE DO ANY OTHER WORK ON IT. SO I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE A WHOLE

BOARD. >> I THINK THE CONCEPT OF A COLUMBARIUM EVERYBODY PROBABLY AGREES WITH. BUT THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS.

>> YES. >> AND SO WE'LL NEED TO WORK THROUGH ALL THAT I GUESS.

>> WE WANT TO STAY WITH THIS PARTICULAR ARCHITECTURAL FIRM.

>> ARE WE I'M JUST NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE GOING FROM HERE? >> WE'RE ON HOLD.

OR WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO ANYTHING ELSE? >> I DON'T WANT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE HERE. I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS THING IS GETTING PAID FOR. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SHORT THAT HOPE SENT OUT.

JUST TO BREAK EVEN YOU HAVE TO SELL 100% OF YOUR SITE AT $1625.

JUST TO BREAK EVEN ON THE PROJECT. NOW THAT DIDN'T TAKE OUT THE $85 THAT YOU'RE ALREADY GETTING. THE NEXT PHASE IS $460,000 ON THE NEXT PHASE. YOU COULDN'T EVEN PAY FOR THAT, YOU COULDN'T EVEN CHARGE ENOUGH TO PAY FOR THAT FEE. THAT'S NOT EVEN ASSUMING HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY GOES INTO THE TRUST. A PERCENT OF THAT HAS TO GO INTO THE TRUST. SO I CAN'T, I CAN'T GET BEYOND THE NUMBERS AT THIS POINT AND FIGURE OUT HOW THIS IS GETTING PAID FOR. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS HOW ARE WE PAYING FOR THIS? IF YOU'RE PRESELLING STUFF AND YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD AS YOU GO I GET IT. BUT OVER TWO PHASES YOU ARE LOOKING AT $800,000 ALMOST OF COSTS. SO THAT'S --

>> JEAN I UNDERSTAND, I AGREE WITH YOU. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS SCATTER GARDENS ARE JUST REALLY VERY POPULAR RIGHT NOW.

AND THOSE CAN BE GENERATING A LOT OF MONEY FOR A VERY SMALL INVESTMENT.

AND MAYBE LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT ALSO AT THE SAME TIME.

I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO A COLUMBARIUM.

IF YOU LET THE FUNERAL HOMES KNOW IN THE AREA THE CREMATORIUM THAT YOU HAVE A SCATTER GARDEN I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY AROUND. THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE COST AND THEY ARE GOOD MONEY MAKERS. NOT WANTING TO MAKE MONEY BUT AT LEAST WE GET SOMETHING FOR THE PERPETUAL FUND.

>> WE ARE OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS. >> THE ONLY WAY TO BREAK EVEN YOU TRY -- [INAUDIBLE] IT'S A LOT TO DO WITH THE NUMBERS.

BREAK EVEN IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. >> IF YOU LOOK AT IT.

IF YOU LOOK AT PHASE ONE YOU HAVE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS FIRST WHERE YOU MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BREAK EVEN ON PHASE ONE. BUT YOU START LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE AS WE GO PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE, AND IF YOU THE WHOLE SPREAD SHEET THAT HE SENT THERE'S WHERE YOU CAN MAKE YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE IN THE BLACK AT THE END OF THE DAY. I KNOW THAT'S ALONG IN THE FUTURE.

BUT THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO SO GET STARTED.

WE TALKED THIS MORNING, FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD MAYBE REMOVE PART OF THE ROAD COST THAT COULD BE SHIFTED. THAT'S LIKE, THAT'S $106,000 OF SAVINGS RIGHT THERE.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S MORE OF LISTEN, I KNOW IT'S TIMES ARE TOUGH AND I GET THAT AND

MONEY IS ALWAYS, ALWAYS THE DRIVING FACTOR. >> SCOTT, MY CONCERN IS THAT

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WE NEED TO USE THE MONEY VERY WEISSLY. >> BUT -- WISELY.

>> BUT I THINK WE'RE SUBSIDIZING IT ALREADY BECAUSE THE GENERAL FUND PAYS

DID -- >> YOU'RE PAYING THE MAINTENANCE.

>> SOME OF IT. >> NOT EVERY YEAR. >> SO I THINK --

>> WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT. >> WHEN THE PROJECT IS COMPLETE IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW BUT THE PLAN IS THERE TO BUILD FOR

IT AND IT WILL BE A REVENUE MAKER. >>.

>> GO AHEAD. >> I'M JUST SAYING IS THERE A SCENARIO UNDER WHICH WE COULD BREAK EVEN GIVEN A CERTAIN PRICE PER COLUMBARIUM.

WE COULD MAKE BREANCH WITH A SMALLER PROJECT. WE WOULD WANT IT SMALLISH ANYWAY BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE CEMETERY.

>> YES. >> OKAY. WE'LL HAVE IT BACK ON AT THE NEXT OCTOBER MEETING.

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