Aug 13, 2020 Airport Advisory Commission

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>> WE ARE READY NOW. CALL THE ORDER. WE HAVE THE TIME CLOCK TO

RECORD THE TIME. >> IT IS 6:00 P.M. AND I WILL START THE ROLLCALL.

ALLEGIANCE. WE COULD RECITE TOGETHER OR HAVE ONE PERSON DO IT SO WE

DON'T TALK OVER EACH OTHER. >>.

ALLEGIANCE] >> NEXT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

FROM THE JULY MEETING. >> I HAVE ONE NOTE ON THE MINUTES.

DAVE BROUGHTON WAS KIND ENOUGH TO CALL OUT THAT I WAS REFLECTING HIS PRESENCE OR ABSENCE FROM THE MEETING. DAVE WAS WITH US IN LAST MEETING SO HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN

ANNOTATED AS PRESENT. >> ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES FROM JULY?

>> I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES FOR THE JULY MEETING. >> I SECOND THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO ACCEPT THEM MINUTES AND EVERYONE IN FAVOR? I.

>> THE MINUTES FROM JULY ARE APPROVED. >> WE HAVE THE MONTHLY

[6.1 Monthly Financial Report]

FINANCIAL REPORT. >> WE ARE NEARING THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR AND I HAVE PROVIDED OUR USUAL MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE DIFFERENT FROM THE PREVIOUS MONTHS ARE IN THE RIGHT-HAND COLUMN CALLED PENDING GRANT REVENUE.

THAT IS FUNDING THAT WILL ACCRUE BACK TO US AND HAS NOT YET REQUESTED THE REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE FAA OR DT. WHEN YOU GET TO THE BOTTOM LINE WHERE MISSING THAT REVENUE BUT WE HAVE SPENT THE DOLLARS AND WE'RE SIMPLY AWAITING THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THAT MONEY COMING BACK. JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF AN IDEA OF WHAT MONEY I'M

EXPECTING IN SPECIFIC PROJECTS. >> NOTHING NOTEWORTHY TO REPORT THE SIDE.

WE ARE FAIRLY ACCURATE ON WHERE WE SHOULD BE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR.

ON THE EXPENSE SIDE EVERYTHING SEEMS APPROPRIATE. ONE NOTE I WILL CALL OUT A SENSE IS IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT WE ANTICIPATED $2.9 MILLION.

I HAVE THAT BUDGETED IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR AS WELL. OF COURSE THAT PROJECT IS 100%

FUNDED BY THE FAA. >> MAY ASK YOU TO STOP FOR A SECOND ON 422 AND GIVE US A SEPARATE FEEDBACK FROM F.ON WHETHER IT IS A WHITE DOT OR BLACK .

>> I SENT OUT A FOLLOW-UP EMAILAIL AFTER DISCUSSIONS WHERE WE WENT THROUGH AND WENT TO A CONTRACTOR AND OBTAINED UNIT PRICING FOR WHITE TOP AND OR AN OVERLAY OF ASPHALT TO COMPARE.FROM WHITE TOP THE ASSUMPTION WE USE WAS IN FERNANDINA BEACH WHEN IT WAS USED LAST TIME THE TOPPING WAS IN MOST AREAS 5 TO 6 AREAS OF CONCRETE OVER THE ASPHALT.

AS YOU SAW IN AN EMAIL IT'S LIKELY THAT THE CYCLE COST ANALYSIS WILL INDICATE THE WHITE TOPPING GIVES US A BETTER VALUE IF WE PURSUE IT I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THEM IN THE LAST

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THE STATE FISCAL YEAR STARTS IN JULY SO THERE GENERATING A LOT OF AGREEMENTS AND THEIR BACKLOGS. THEY JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO WORK THROUGH THE CHANNELS AND PROVIDE US AN ANSWER. I THINK IT WAS A GREAT QUESTION AND ABSOLUTELY LOOKS LIKE THERE IS GREAT VALUE IN THE DISCUSSION AND I THINK THAT

WILL BE A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR IT. >> HE NEEDS MORE TIME AND THERE'S GONNA BE A DECISION OR WRITE OFF? I THINK WE ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT IT'S JUST A YES, SIR NO FROM THEM TO WHATEVER THEY ARE HELPING TO FUND IT.

>> THAT WAS ON 1331 CRACKS? 422 IS OUT OF THE GATE. >> WERE TALKING ABOUT WHY TOP

AND FOR G2. >> NO SIR, THIS IS FOR 1331. 422 WILL ONLY BE IN ASPHALT.

THE FAA WILL NOT FIND ANYTHING BUT ASPHALT. IT IS A SIMILAR PROCESS.

YOU ARE CORRECT. IT IS A YES, SIR NO HOWEVER THERE MAY BE A DISCUSSION IF F.COMES BACK AND DOES NOT WANT TO FUND A WHITE TOP RUNWAY FOR OR US WITH ANY BENEFIT FOR US CONSIDERING IF YOU HAVE THE CITY COVERING THE DIFFERENCE. IT WILL PROBABLY STILL BE WORTH THE EXERCISE TO SEE IF THEY SAY NO AND WE WILL JUST COVER THE ACRE FROM WHAT THE ASPHALT COSTS IF THAT'S FEASIBLE. I HAVE NOT ASKED THAT QUESTION BUT CERTAINLY WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT WHEN WE ARE PUTTING THE NUMBERS TOGETHER FOR GOOD BENEFIT AND PUTTING IT OUT THERE. I THINK THAT'S GOOD TO THINK ABOUT.

>> THANK YOU NATE. I JUST WANT TO THROW OUT A COMMENT IN GENERAL TO THE AAC THAT SHOULD THERE BE WHICH IT LOOKS LIKE SOME ADDITIONAL COST TO WHITE TOP 1331 OH TO 10 I THINK THAT WE WOULD BE BETTER SERVED IF WE REALLY PURSUED THAT AND THAT WHATEVER REQUIREMENTS WAS NECESSARY TO GET THAT DONE BECAUSE OF THE SUCCESS WE HAVE SEEN ON 927.

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT. THANK YOU.

>> I THINK WE ARE IN SYNC OF THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LYNN.

IN MY BORDER ON A STUPID QUESTION BUT WITH THIS GOING ON WITH THE GOLF COURSE ON THE MARINA IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF ANY IMPACT TO THE AIRPORT WITH WHAT IS GOING ON?

>> THE AIRPORT IS IN THE BLACK. AS LONG AS THEY START DON'T SEE

ANY PROBLEM. >> I DON'T EVEN SEE PROBLEMS HERE THINK WE COME UP WITH SIGNIFICANT COST. I DO BELIEVE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE IN A SERIOUS CRISIS THIS COMING YEAR BUT IT SHOULD NOT AFFECT YOU GUYS FROM THE NUMBERS.

>> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. IT SHOULD NOT AFFECT US BUT WE ARE STILL PART OF THE CITY.

WE'RE STILL ONE COMMUNITY. >> I CAN HELP WITH THIS CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT.

TOM ASKED THE SAME QUESTION ODDLY ENOUGH IN THE LAST WEEK AND I SENT HIM AN EMAIL.

IT WAS FORWARDED TO EVERYONE BUT IS THERE EVER A SCENARIO WHERE THE CITY MIGHT CONSIDER USING AIRPORT GENERAL FUNDS OR REVENUE AS A RESERVE? ONE OF OUR BRAND ASSURANCES IS THE FEDERAL OBLIGATION NUMBER 25. IT STATES THAT REVENUE THAT IS PRODUCED NINE AIRPORT FUND CANNOT BE DIVERTED OR USED FOR EDITING OTHER THAN AIRPORT CAPITAL OPERATIONAL EXPENSE. WE HAVE A GRANT ASSURANCE THAT DOESN'T UP ALLOW REVENUE

DIVERSION. >> THE AIRPORT FUND CODE BE ALLOWABLE AT A RATE OF INTEREST TO ANOTHER PURPOSE WITHIN THE CITY AVON HAD SENT TOM A LINK. THERE ARE A FEW CURRENT CASES

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DRIVES THAT REQUIREMENT. >> WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR ANY OF THOSE THINGS AND YOU CAN'T DO IT AND THE AUDITOR SAYS WE CAN. WE ARE NOT IN THAT SITUATION WHERE WE ARE LIKELY TO BE.

>> IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS ONE OF THE THINGS WE MENTIONED IS SHOWN ON THE MONTHLY REPORT WE ARE IN A BETTER POSITION THAN AFFECTED THERE.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THAT IT'S 180,000 REVENUE AND EXPENSE RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE TRYING TO BE CASH FLOW POSITIVE AND I MADE SOME VERY CONCERNED PROJECTIONS AT THE

END OF THE FISCAL YEAR AND WE'RE DOING OKAY. >> THANK YOU NATE.

ANY OTHER BUDGET QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION THERE ON THE WHITE TOP VERSUS THE BLACKTOP OBVIOUSLY THE WHITE TOP IS GOING TO LAST LONGER. HOW MUCH MORE DOES THAT COST?

>> THAT'S A WONDERFUL QUESTION. I NEED TO SEND YOU AN EMAIL THAT I SENT OUT TO THE AC JUST PRIOR TO JOINING US. WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE QUANTITY COST ESTIMATES FOR MATERIALS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY AN ADDITIONAL MATERIAL COST.

I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME. AFTER THE MEETING TONIGHT I WILL FORWARD THAT EMAIL TO YOU. I MADE AN ASSUMPTION BASED ON THE SQUARE YARDAGE OF THE RUNWAY 'S YOU CAN DRILL DOWN WITH THE ANTICIPATED ESTIMATE MATERIAL COST WILL BE.

[6.2 Runway 4/22 Rehabilitation Project Update]

>> IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS I WILL MOVE ON TO THE RUNWAY 422 PROJECT UPDATE.

I EXPECT WE WILL HAVE A SIGNED CONTRACT BACK FROM THE CONTRACTOR NEXT WEEK.

LOOK FOR AN EMAIL COMING FOR ME HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK ANNOUNCING THE START TIME FOR THAT PROJECT NOW THAT THE RNC HAS BEEN CANCELED. THERE IS FLEXIBILITY THINK WITH THE START DATE THERE AND WE'RE LINED UP READY TO GET STARTED WITH WORK THERE.

I WILL HAVE AN EMAIL OUT TO THE TENANTS OF COURSE AND AS WE GET CLOSER WE WILL GET RINGS PUBLISHED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD WITH THE START OF THE PROJECT.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS ON 422? >> NEXT TO THE PROPERTY

[7.1 Review Request from Property Owners to Acquire Cessna Lane Parcel (North of Airport Road)]

CONVERSATION. >> WE HAVE IN THE ROOM WITH US, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THEM MARY AND STEVE WHO OWN FIRST CO-STORAGE. IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE WHERE YOU DRIVE. I PUT IN THE PACKET WITH JUST AN OVERVIEW FROM THE PROPERTY TAX WEBSITE OF THAT PARCEL AND I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE IT IN ZOOM.

THIS IS JUST ME WORKING IN POWERPOINT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME THINGS FOR YOU.

WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IS CESSNA LANE MOVING TO THE NORTH OF AIRPORT ROAD.

A PARCEL EAST WHICH IS OWNED BY FIRST COAST STORAGE. THE PARCEL TO THE WEST SHOWS A HIGHLIGHT OF THE WHOLE PARCEL OWNED BY FIRST COURSE STORAGE AS WELL.

THE PURSE ON THE WEST SIDE WAS PURCHASED IN 2013 AND NOW HAVE BOTH SIDES OF THAT PARCEL OWNED BY THE SAME ENTITY. I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE STEVE IS GONNA COME UP AND GIVE SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND TO THE CITY. CAN THEY ACQUIRE OR TAKE OWNERSHIP NORTH OF AIRPORT ROAD? WHEN THEY ARE DONE PRESENTING THIS PROPERTY IS AIRPORT PROPERTY IT WAS DEDICATED TO THE CITY IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY SOME TIME AGO. MISTER STUBBS IS AND GIVE YOU A BACKGROUND OF THIS.

>> GOOD EVENING I WOULD LIKE TO THANK NATHAN FOR THIS MEETING AS WELL AS YOUR TIME.

NATHAN ASKED MY WIFE MARY AND I TO ATTEND AND GIVE A LITTLE PERSONAL HISTORY.

WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY TO BE TRANSFERRED FOR THE OWNERSHIP.

WE CAME HERE IN 1991 AND THIS IS LOCATED AT 3428 CESSNA LANE. THE PROPERTY HAD COMMERCIAL

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THEN IN 2011 THINGS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT AND THE SKU DEAL WENT DOWN.

THIS ROUND OF THE PROPERTY ON THREE SIDES. AS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT ORIGINALLY ASSESSING THE LANE THEY PASSED THROUGH TO THE PARKWAY WITH A RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR STUDENT FUTURE USE. WE TOOK OWNERSHIP IN 2012 I BELIEVE.

WE NOW OWN THE PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD ON 3428 AND 3429.

IN ORDER TO IMPROVE OPERATIONS WE ARE INTERESTED IN PUTTING IN AN AUTOMATIC SECURITY GATE WHICH WILL GO ACROSS CESSNA LANE AND BLOCK THE ROAD OFF TO ANYONE WITH OUR CUSTOMERS COMING IN AND OUT. WE FEEL LIKE IT WILL GREATLY IMPROVE SECURITY AND INCREASE THE FLEXIBILITY AND AUGUST 2 CHANGE OUR OFFICE HOURS AND GIVE IT MORE TIME AWAY IF EVERYTHING WORKS OUT. IT WILL BE AN ASSET TO THE BUSINESS AND DEFINITELY SIGNIFY THE OPERATIONS. WE HAD THREE SEPARATE MANUAL GATES WE HAD TO MAINTAIN ON THE PROPERTY. WE GET QUITE A BIT OF CALLS AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING WITH THE ALARM GOING ON. IT'S ALWAYS A FALSE ALARM BUT THE POLICE COME OUT AND IT WILL ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE FALSE CALLS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD SITUATION FOR THE CITY AS WELL AS A. IN VARIOUS MAINTENANCE DONE THROUGH THE YEARS WITH PAVING. THIS IS DONE HE WOULD TAKE THINGS GOING FOR LESS.

IT WOULD BE A WIN SITUATION TO SEE WITH ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUES FROM IT.

WE WOULD BE ABLE TO STREAMLINE OUR OPERATIONS AND MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT AROUND.

THAT'S BASICALLY WHY WE ARE SEEKING THIS AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING BACK FROM YOU TO GO ONTO THE NEXT STEP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> FOR THE GROUP, NOT IN YOUR PACKET I'M PULLING UP NOW N THE SCREEN ARE THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLANS. YOUR AIRPORT LAYER PLANET CAUSE OUT YOUR PROPERTY BOUNDED FOR THE AIRPORT AND YOU CAN SEE AS YOU COME AROUND TO MY MOUSE POINTER IS CESSNA LANE WHICH PROCEEDS NORTH OF AIRPORT ROAD. THAT SHOWS THAT THAT PIECE STILL IS REFLECTED ON THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY AT THE COURT. WHAT THAT MEANS TO US AS YOU HAVE TWO PIECES THAT ARE GOING ON HERE. THERE'S A LIST OF REQUIREMENTS THE FAA REQUIRES THE DESIRE WITH A REQUEST FOR LEASE IF THE CITY WANTED TO RELEASE THAT PROPERTY AND HOW THAT POSSIBLY WILL WORK. IT'S ALSO A RIGHT-OF-WAY WITH THE CITY SO IT WILL GO TO THE CITY COMMISSIONS TO DETERMINE IF THERE IN A REALLY WISH THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY.

I PUT FOR YOU IN THE PACKET THE FAA GUIDANCE OFF THE WEBSITE ON THE RELEASE OF PROPERTY.

THE CITY ACTUALLY WENT TO THE PROCESS AND PUT IN A REQUEST THAT TOOK THE PROPER STEPS TO DO THAT. THE FIRST EPISODE FAA AND GO THROUGH THE POLICE REQUEST.

OUR FOCUS THIS EVENING IS PRETTY MUCH A PLANNING QUESTION OF DOES THE AIRPORT BELIEVE THERE'S ANY VALUE IN FUTURE USE OR OWNERSHIP OF THIS PARCEL? RIGHT NOW IT'S A ROADWAY.

THIS ROAD WE USED TO GO NORTH AND CONNECT TO THE PARKWAY. WHEN THEY BROUGHT THAT PROPERTY THEY DEVELOPED IT SO NOW IT DEADENS THE PRIMARY QUESTION IS DO WE THINK THAT THERE'S ANY

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>> WERE TALKING ABOUT SELLING NOT LEASING. >>.

>> AND APPRAISAL HAVE TO BE HAD AND OF THE VALUE WILL BE KNOWN.

OBVIOUSLY IT'S A RIGHT-OF-WAY AND IT'S THE BEST USED TO BE CONSIDERED.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS MUCH VALUE TO BE HONEST. YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF A VALUE

ASSOCIATED WITH IT. >> THE CITY CANNOT SELL RIGHT AWAY SO IT'S COMPENSATED WITH THE FAA BUT THE CITY CAN VACATE RIGHT AWAY FOR WORDS BEING ON BOTH SIDES.

THE CITY HAS MAINTAINED RIGHT AWAY WITH OTHER CONDITIONS SOMETIMES BUT WE CANNOT SELL

IT. >> TO BE CLEAR I TALKED TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT WALKING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND HER GUIDANCE WAS MOVE THROUGH THE FAA PROCESS FIRST BECAUSE EVEN IF WE WANT TO VACATE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY YOU CAN'T READ THE REQUIREMENTS.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.

THE FAA FIRST BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE CAN HAPPEN. >> LOOKING AT THAT PULLOUT THERE. IT'S THE WHOLE THING BEING A RIGHT-OF-WAY IS IN IT? THAT'S WHAT'S LEFT OF IT. THE ROAD AND THE 30 FEET ON EITHER SIDE IS THAT NOT

CORRECT? >> THAT'S WHAT IT IS. IT'S ESSENTIALLY A WAY THAT'S

LEFT. >> RIGHT AWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT THEY VACATED THE REST OF IT AND WHAT'S LEFT IS THE DEAD-END. EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN

VACATED. >> THE ONLY THING THE CITY HAS NOW IS THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT PROPERTY STILL WITH THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MAINTENANCE.

>> WAS YOUR QUESTION WHAT RESPONSIBILITY IS RIGHT NOW AS IT STANDS.

>> CITY STILL OWNS A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT GOES WITH IT PLUS RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING IT. I'M SURE THERE'S NOT A WHOLE

LOT. >> THAT BE THE APPLICATION RIGHT NOW TO MAINTAIN IT.

I THINK THAT ROADWAY IS CLOSE TO GRAVEL NOW. PERHAPS BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT NO LONGER GOES THROUGH. IT IS NOT IN GOOD REPAIR. YOU ARE RIGHT.

IT IS TO BE PROPERLY AND WILL BE THE CITY'S REPOT RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN IT.

>> WE NEED A MOTION TO GO FORWARD WITH A PROPERTY RELEASE REQUIREMENTS.

>> WHAT I LIKE FROM THE GROUP IS IF YOU FEEL THAT THERE IS NO FUTURE HERE OR FOR THAT PROPERTY I WOULD LIKE A RECOMMENDATION TO PROCEED WITH THE REQUEST MISTER AND MRS. STEPS TO WORK WITH THE FAA ON THEIR PROPOSAL TO RELEASE THAT PROPERTY.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE YOU DO THAT. >> THIS PICTURE YOU ARE SHOWING DOES NOT SHOW WHERE THE LINES ARE COMING FROM OR THE SOLAR ACROSS AIRPORT ROAD TO THE CITY PROPERTY. DOES ANY OF THOSE SOLAR LINE COME INTO CONTACT WITH THAT

LANE? >> NO SIR. IF YOU CAN SEE I'M HOVERING OVER THAT PORTION. FURTHER TO THE WEST THIS RIGHT DOWN HERE IS WHERE WE ARE IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE HAVE THE SOLAR LINES COMING FROM THE GRASS FIELD FOR THE OLD WEBSITE. IT'S THE NEXT ROW DOWN. AS THE CONCRETE ROAD THAT GOES

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TO THE PLAN. >> THINK YOU. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL WORK WITH IN THE PROCESS IS SOME SORT OF UTILITY BUT I'M SURE WE WILL WORK THROUGH THAT AS A PART OF THE PROCESS AS WELL. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE JUST TO HELP THE GROUP OUT. I'VE NEVER USUALLY BEEN ONE TO PROPOSE RELEASING PROPERTY IN THIS CASE HOWEVER FROM THE AIRPORT MANAGER PERSPECTIVE I CAN'T MAKE MONEY OFF OF THAT.

I CAN'T SEE A FUTURE USE FOR IT. I DON'T REALLY SEE US DOING MUCH WITH THAT PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE TO BE HONEST. IT'S ON BY THE PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES. I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. IF MISTER AND MRS. STEPS WERE TO SUBSEQUENTLY DIE OR PASS THIS ON. WHAT IT ALWAYS BE USED AS? OR IS IT NO LONGER AIRPORT PROPERTY SINCE IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED STORAGE.

THEY WOULDN'T COME BACK TO THE AIRPORT WHERE WE WOULD NEED THAT?

>> IF THEY PURCHASE IT IT BECOMES ONE LARGE PARCEL FOR HERE.

WHATEVER ESTATE PLAN THEY HAVE IN PLACE AS THEY ARE. >> I DO NOT WANT TO MAKE SURE

THAT WE KNOW THAT. >> IS A POTENTIAL OWNER AND AGREEMENT WITH WHATEVER COMES

OUT OF AN APPRAISAL? >> WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BRIEFLY AND I THINK WHERE

WILLING TO PURSUE AN APPRAISAL AND START THAT PROCESS. >> WE HAVE NOT COMPLETED THE APPRAISAL SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SAY THAT THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT BUT I THINK THEY ARE CERTAINLY WILLING TO GO DOWN AND MOVE THAT PROCESS FORWARD WITH THE APPRAISAL.

>> WE HAVE YET TO HEAR AN APPRAISED FIGURE. >> WE HAVE NOT NO SIR.

>> THAT'S PART OF THE RELEASE REQUIREMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT

WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LEASE REQUIREMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY. >> I'M CONCERNED THAT YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT SELLING IT. IF THE CITY CANNOT SELL RIGHT AWAY I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO SAY THAT THE CITY CANNOT TELL THAT RIGHT AWAY. WE CAN VACATE THAT RIGHT AWAY AND IT RETURNS TO THE OWNER ON BOTH SIDES. THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT BUT I WON'T TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE ISSUES WITH OTHER RIGHT OF WAYS THAT WE HAVE SIMILAR SITUATIONS. THEY'RE BASICALLY UNUSABLE AND WE HAVE NOT VACATED IT.

>> THE CITY IF THEY WANTED TO RELINQUISH THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THAT PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN TO RELEASE IT THEY SHOULD'VE DONE IT AT THE TIME WHEN IT WAS DEDICATED AS A RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE FAA DIDN'T TELL US THAT THEY COULD REALLY PUSH ANY VALUE OR BENEFIT TO THE AIRPORT FROM THE PROPERTY. I THINK IF YOU WENT BACK NOW WE LIKE TO VACATE THIS UNDERSTOOD AND ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY RELEASE REQUIREMENT. THAT'S THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND THAT TO BE HONEST. THAT'S WHY KICK TO BACK BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE I RAN INTO THE SAME THING. WE VACATED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

HOW DOES IT GET TO THE POINT WHERE HE VACATE WITH NO VALUE IF THE RELEASES NEVER GIVEN

FROM FAA. >> I LIKE TO CLARIFY WHAT HE JUST SAID.

IF THE CITY VACATES BASICALLY WOULD JUST GIVE IT TO THEM. HE SAID IN REVERSE TO THE OWNERSHIP OF WHERE WE ARE AT THE PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES. BASICALLY WE JUST GIVE IT TO

THEM RIGHT? >> NORMALLY WHEN YOU VACATE A RIGHT-OF-WAY BECOMES THE OWNERS

ON BOTH SIDES. >> WE VACATED SOME TIME AND SOMETHING IN RETURN BUT WE CANNOT SELL IT. ALONG THE SAME LINES THERE IS RIGHT-OF-WAY WHICH IS TOTALLY A

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I THINK THE FAA DECISION IS WHAT THE IMPORTANT THING IS FIRST TO MOVE THERE FIRST.

>> WE KNOW FOR SURE THAT THAT'S HOW THEY FEEL AND I CAN DO THAT EASILY.

I WILL SEND AN EMAIL TO SAY HEY THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AND HERE'S HOW WE PERCEIVE THE GUIDANCE.

IS THERE ANOTHER WAY AROUND THIS THAT MAY BE THE NEXT STEP THAT IS REASONABLE.

>> I THINK WE'RE BEATING THIS THING TO DEATH BUT WHY DO WE DO AN APPRAISAL IF WE ARE NOT ABLE

TO SELL IT? >> I HAVE TO TELL YOU IS A WORD OF CAUTION I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE VACATING A RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT THE FAA DOESN'T PERCEIVE IT THAT WAY.

WE WILL HIT A SNAG WITH THE FAA ON THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT I TO WORK WITH THEM AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THAT THING IS. MAYBE THE BEST WAY FORWARD IS FOR ME TO SEND AN EMAIL AND SAY THIS IS WHERE WE ARE ON. DOES THIS HAVE TO FOLLOW THESE RULES BASED ON WHAT THE CITY IS DOING OR JUST CONFIRM IT? UNDERSTAND THE COMMISSIONERS THERE BUT I CAME AGAINST US A FEW TIMES IN MY HISTORY. IF YOU JUST MISSED A STEP IN

THE PROCESS IT CREATES A PROBLEM WITH THE FAA. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

CAN THE CITY CHANGE THE PROPERTY DESCRIPTION FROM A RIGHT-OF-WAY TO SOME SORT

PROPERTY? >> I'M NOT SURE. I CAN ASK A QUESTION.

I THINK THEIR ACTION WITH A RIGHT-OF-WAY SIMPLY TO VACATE BEFORE THEY CONVERT.

THAT IS ESSENTIALLY CHANGING THE PURPOSE. >> ORDER FOR THE FAA TO THE ON THE SAME PAGE GIVING AWAY THE FAA'S KNOCK AND I LIKE THAT SO IF THE CITY CHANGES IT FROM A RIGHT-OF-WAY TO GREENWAY AND THEN SELLS IT OR GIVES IT AWAY FOR A DOLLAR AT LEAST EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO COME TO A NO DECISION.

>> IT'S JUST AN IDEA. >> I THINK FROM THE CONSENSUS OF THE AC IS THAT I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY THINKS THERE IS ANY KIND OF FUTURE USE FOR THAT PROPERTY THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE

AIRPORT. >> THAT'S THE PIECE I NEED TO KNOW TONIGHT.

IF WE HAVE ANY FUTURE USE AND I CAN WORK WITH THE FAA TO CONFIRM THAT INDEED WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE STEPS AND MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN THIS FASHION.

OR IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY AROUND IT. IF THE GROUP CAN GIVE ME A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THAT PIECE IT'S TO RECEIVE FUTURE PERCEIVED VALUE FOR THAT PARCEL OR DO WE THINK WE CAN RELEASE THAT PARCEL FROM THE AIRPORT'S PERSPECTIVE.

>> NATE CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> TO PROVE THE POINT. WHEN WE SOLD THE PROPERTY TO THEM IN 2013 WERE THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS? WERE THERE ANY THINGS THAT

WOULD IMPACT THE FUTURE ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY? >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY

DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT CAME WITH THAT PARCEL. >> IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK THERE'S AN FA RELEASE LETTER THAT WILL RELEASE THE OBLIGATIONS BUT I DON'T KNOW OF

ANY DEED RESTRICTIONS. >> 19 NEED SOMEBODY TO REGURGITATE WHAT I SAID SINCE I

CAN'T MAKE A MOTION BECAUSE IN ACTING CHAIRPERSON. >> OF 70 CAN MAKE A MOTION IF THE GROUP IS COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD IN THE DIRECTION I THINK I MIGHT'VE ACTUALLY HEARD

PRUDENCE MAKE AN EMOTION. >> I THINK IT WAS DON THAT MADE A MOTION.

>> DON MADE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD ASKED US TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS.

>> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> THOSE IN FAVOR? I.

>> ANY NAMES? >> SOUNDS GOOD. YOU DEFINITELY PUT A LOT EFFORT INTO THIS THANK YOU. QUICK STICKY FOR THE INPUT. THEY LOOK FORWARD AND BRING

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WILL WORK WITH THE FAA AND CONFIRM THE WAY FORWARD TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING EVERYONE'S

RULES. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME HAVE A GOOD EVENING.

[7.2 Airport Annual (October 2020) Lease/Rental Agreement CPI Adjustment Discussion]

>> NEXT ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS, THIS ONE IS KIND OF A GENERIC ITEM.

A LITTLE BACKGROUND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CORONAVIRUS CRISIS.

THIS YEAR SOME OF OUR COMMERCIAL OPERATORS CERTAINLY SOLVE SOME IMPACT BASED ON DECREASED TRAFFIC AND A LOT OF FOLKS CALL IT A FINANCIAL IMPACT OF COVERT.

THE FAA CAME OUT FOR THE FIRST ROUND OF THE KARAS ACT AND AS A RESULT OF THAT NOT ONLY AN AFP PROGRAM BUT WE RECEIVE 100% FUNDING WITH THE REHABILITATION WHICH PROVIDES MANY GENERAL AIRPORT APPROXIMATELY $30,000 IN ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO OFFSET SOME OF THE IMPACTS.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE RECEIVED THAT $30,000 IN FUNDING AND THE FAA'S POSITION OF ENCOURAGEMENT WAS KNOWING THE IMPACTS TO AVIATION AND WORKING WITH OUR TENANTS TO HELP FOLKS MAKE IT THROUGH SPECIFICALLY THE COMMERCIAL OPERATORS AND FINANCIAL CRISIS, I CAN TELL YOU HERE AT FERNANDINA BEACH WE HAVE NOT DEFERRED ANY RENTAL OR LEASE PAYMENTS.

WE HAVE NOT UPDATED ANY RENT OR AGING REPORTS. TO BE HONEST I HAVE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE INDIVIDUALS ON IT RIGHT NOW AND IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. AFTER SAY THANK YOU TO THE TENANTS IN OUR COMMERCIAL OPERATORS WHO CONTINUE TO PAY THE BILLS AND HELP US KEEP THE AIRPORT SUCCESSFUL. WE DID RECEIVE THAT $30,000 AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WITH THIS PIECE. I'M USUALLY NOT MAKING A DISCUSSION HERE BECAUSE MOST OF OUR RENTAL AGREEMENTS AND LEASES HAVE AN AUTOMATIC CPI ADJUSTMENT EVERY YEAR.

MOST OF THOSE ARE WRITTEN TO BE A JULY COMPARISON OF THE SOUTH URBAN CPI.

IT'S THE ALL SOUTHERN REGION AND THAT HAPPENS WITH THE NEW FISCAL YEAR ON OCTOBER 1. I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE TREND OF THAT THIS YEAR BY PUTTING THE PACKET AND WHAT I KNEW AS A NEGATIVE ADJUSTMENT WITH .4% MADE IN JUNE OF.3. IT DID JUST RELEASED A JULY OF.5%. FOR THIS YEAR WHEN I DID OUR BUDGET I BUDGETED NO CPI ADJUSTMENT. AT THE TIME I WASN'T SURE BASED ON THE SCENARIOS WE WOULD EVEN SEE A POSITIVE CPI SO I DIDN'T FEEL PRETTY SAFE TO ANTICIPATED.

THIS IS THE YEAR WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION BASED ON THE FAA GIVING US FUNDING TO PERHAPS NOT HAVE A CPI ESCALATION THIS YEAR FOR OUR LEASE AGREEMENTS TO HELP TENANTS AND FOLKS THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY HAVING A HARDER YEAR.

I WANT TO GIVE A RECOMMENDATION. >> I THINK EVERYONE WOULD BE

IN FAVOR OF NO CPI ESCALATION. >> I WAS SURPRISED. >> OF IT IS KIND OF DUMBSTRUCK

ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS IN THE ROOM AND HE ASKED WAS THE VALUE

IS. IT'S .5% ABOUT $8000 FIGURE. >> FAA HAS GIVEN US FUNDING TO HELP OFFSET THE IMPACTS THAT HELP AVIATION. WE ARE ACTUALLY IN THAT SENSE

CASH FLOW POSITIVE. >> SUMMARY MAKE A MOTION QUICK BEFORE THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND.

>> THE COMMISSION IS LOOKING FORWARD TO ANY EFFORTS TO LIMIT THE PROBLEMS FOR THE TENANTS.

WE'VE GIVEN AWAY A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS AND I'M SURE THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT

REDUCTIONS OF NECESSARY. >> AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD THAT WE DON'T HAVE

A CPI INCREASED FOR 2021. >> I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. >> I WILL THIRD IT.

>> THOSE IN FAVOR? EYE. >> MOVING ON.

[7.3 State Fiscal Year 2023 Hangar Development Project Discussion]

[00:40:08]

>> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TALKING ABOUT THE STATE FISCAL YEAR 2023.

>> THIS YEAR WERE BUILDING SIX INDIVIDUAL UNITS. THAT DESIGN PLAN ACTUALLY WENT TO TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE TODAY. ITS INITIAL REVIEW AND DISCUSSION AS A REMINDER WE ARE WORKING OFF OF THE MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET.

IT'S $500,000 FOR CONSTRUCTION FROM DOT AND $500,000 AND THEREFORE FIND COMING TOGETHER TO FIND MILLION-DOLLAR PROJECTS IN THE UNITS. THIS DISCUSSION IS STARTING TO LEAN FORWARD FOR THE NEXT FOUND. IT'S A STATE FISCAL YEAR 23 WHERE WE HAVE THE NEXT GRANT PROGRAM FOR HANGER DEVELOPMENT. WE WOULD SEE THAT FROM THE STATE IN JULY 2022. WE GET DIAGRAM IN JULY 2022. THE STATE HAS A VALUE OF $1 MILLION AND IT CAN EITHER BE A 50% MATCH OR 80/20 MATCH. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO START TALKING ABOUT AND WE NEED THE ANSWER TONIGHT. WE NEED FERNANDINA BEACH IN THE NEXT ROUND OF FUNDING. WE MATCH THE STATE PROJECT AND THIS MAY BE ONE BASED ON THE REVENUE RECEIVED PERHAPS WE LEVEL FINANCING TO GET FURTHER WITH THE GRANT DOLLARS AND BUILD MORE HANGERS.T COULD BE SOMETHING WHERE WE DO THE MATH ON IT AND THE REVENUE PRODUCED CAN PAY OFF THE DEBT SERVICE WE BREAKEVEN FROM 10 TO 15 YEARS.

THE LIST CONTINUES TO GROW. THE EXPANSION OF ATLASES ON THE GROUND.

WE CYCLE THROUGH HIGHER THAN AVERAGE NUMBER OF FOLKS ON AVERAGE.

THIS YEAR I THINK WE'VE SEEN SIX AND WE'VE HAD SOME FOLKS LEAD THE LIST.

WE SEE GROUP B ON THE TURNOVER SUBSTANTIALLY. EVERYTHING CAN CONTINUE TO BUILD UNITS AND SERVE THAT MARKET? SOMETIMES YOU MAY RENT THAT BULKING HER OUT TO THE FTO BUT I WANT TO START HAVING THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE GROUP TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE THINK LIFE WILL BE AROUND THE AIRPORT NEXT.

>> BEFORE WE START THE DISCUSSION CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE.

I KNOW THE PLAY LEADERS HERE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS OTHER THAN THAT?

>> GOOD QUESTION. YOU'RE RIGHT I THINK A CREDIT IN MY DEPARTMENT REPORT.

THEY ENTERED A RELEASE WITH US IN 2017. HIS INTENT WAS TO BUILD TWO LARGE HANGERS. THEY WENT THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS WITH THE CITY AND HAD APPROVALS. IN MY DISCUSSION WITH THEM CAME DOWN TO A FINANCIAL SCENARIO WITH THE FINAL STRATEGY THE CODED CENARIO FOR FINANCIAL REASONS THEY JUST DECIDED THEY WERE NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BUILDING SPACE. THEY HAVE A LEASEHOLD AT THE AIRPORT. AS FAR AS A TENANT AT THE AIRPORT THEY NEVER MISSED A PAYMENT ON THESE. WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE. HARRY GUILT IS THE GENTLEMAN UNDER THAT. HE'S BUILDING THE ROAD HANGERS ON THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE AIRPORT. MISTER GOZA STILL MOVING FORWARD.

I SPOKE WITH HIM A FEW WEEKS AGO AND HE WAS WAITING TO RECEIVE HIS CONTRACTORS TO MOVE FORWARD. THAT WILL BUILD THREE INDIVIDUAL UNITS INITIALLY.

THEY MAKE A DECISION WITHIN A YEAR BASED ON THE FEW SUCCESSIONS.

[00:45:09]

IT HAS SOLD THEIR PROCESS AND THEY HAVE CONSIDERATIONS ALONG THE WAY.

>> JUST ALREADY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND UNDERSTANDABLY

IMPACTS WITH THE VIRUS AND EVERYTHING. >> THOSE WERE THE ONLY OTHER COMMERCIAL LEASES WE HAD FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THE AIRPORT SITE.

>> HAS THERE BEEN DISCUSSION WITH BENT WING AS TO THEIR DESIRE TO BUILD A BULK HANGER?

>> IS A PART OF THE RFP THAT WAS DONE IN 2015, PART OF THEIR LEASEHOLD IS THAT GRASS FIELD TO THE WEST OF THE TERMINAL FACILITY. THEY CURRENTLY LEASE THAT PROPERTY THERE. I KNOW THAT MISTER ECKERT HAS INITIAL SITE PLANS COMPLETED BY ENGINEERS TO BUILD A VOLCANO THERE WITH CONSIDERATION TO PUT THE CONSIDERATION THERE.

I KNOW THAT HE WAS STILL CONSIDERING THAT OPTION MOVING FORWARD AND HAS NOT MADE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT HE WANTED TO MAKE THAT INVESTMENT TO DO THAT.

IF HE DOESN'T HE'S ACTUALLY APPROACHING A SIDE CONVERSATION THAT HE DECIDED NOT TO AND THAT PROPERTY MAY MAKE A REQUEST TO CARVE THAT OUT AND HAVE THE AIRPORT COME BACK AND TAKE OVER THAT PROPERTY AGAIN WHICH IF WE HAD THAT PROPERTY WE PUT HANGERS ON IT.

MISTER ECKERT ALSO AS A REMINDER IN THE RFP IN 2015 OFFERED A SERIES OF 0% LOANS WILL BE GIVEN IN EXCHANGE FOR RENT CREDITS. I THINK THEY OFFERED ABOUT $700,000 TO COMBINE WITH CITY OR GRANT DOLLARS TO HELP BUILD THE BULK HANGER WHICH THEY WILL MANAGE TO GET CREDITS FOR. THE ONLY CAVEAT TO THAT IS THE DISCUSSION WITH CITY ATTORNEYS IT'S ABOUT $250,000 AND WE PUT THAT OUT COMPETITIVELY IF WE LOOK FOR THE PARTNERSHIP TO TAKE THE DOLLARS. IT'S JUST A PROCESS QUESTION. I KNOW THE FTO HAS INTERESTS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION TO BUILD ONE ON THEIR OWN.

THEY CERTAINLY WANT TO RENT ONE FOR SURE. >> IS A SMOKING OR ABLE TO GET

GRANT FUNDING FROM F DOT? >> ARE HANGER MY MONEY COMES FROM DOT ON THE NEXT ROUND CAN BE USED FOR MULTIPLE PURPOSES. IT COULD BE USED FOR HANGER REPAIR OF EXISTING HANGERS AND KEY HANGER, GIRL HANGER OR BULK HANGER. THAT MONEY THAT'S COMING IN FISCAL 23 WAS THE STATE CAN BE USED FOR ANY TYPE OF HANGER WE DEEM APPROPRIATE.

IT'S KIND OF WHERE I STARTED THE CONVERSATION TO GET FEEDBACK OF WHAT WE THOUGHT THE GREATEST DEMAND WAS WHAT WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO MEET WITH THAT.

>> MIKE SPIRIT AT THE AIRPORT IF YOU'RE GONNA GET OFF.MONEY AND GRANT MONEY I WOULD THINK WOULD BE THAT ARE SUITED TO PUT IN THE TEAM HANGERS ADJACENT EAST OF THE BUILDINGS THERE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS A CAP HANGERS AND WERE MY EASTBOUND THROUGH THE PARKING LOT BEHIND

THE OLD HANGER. THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS. >> ARE INTEGRAL TO THIS CONVERSATION EVERY YEAR WHEN WE CONSIDER THE BULK. THE WAITING LIST CONTINUES TO GROW. OKAY NURSE PRESENTS AN ISSUE OF WHO'S GOING TO HANDLE THE MOVEMENT WITHIN THE HANGER. THEY UP THAT LIABILITY AND I THINK THAT'S AN FBL.

WE ARE NOT IN THE FPO BUSINESS IN THAT RESPECT. I LEAN TOWARDS THE HANGERS SO

LET'S SATISFY THE GENERAL COMMUNITY. >> IF IT REALLY THAT'S ON THAT

[00:50:07]

WAITLIST, IS THE ONLY PLACE THEY WOULD GO THE TINA? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

WHAT HE'S ASKING IS IF THOSE FOLKS ARE ON THE WAITING LIST WOULD ONLY BE INTERESTED IN HANGER SPACE YOU KINDA HAVE TWO MARKS. WE HAVE THE GENERAL AVIATION COMMUNITY AND MOST OF THOSE FOLKS ON A WAITING LIST. THERE'S ANOTHER MARKET WHERE IT'S HARD TO PUT THEIR FINGER ON WHICH WOULD BE THE CITATIONS AND MARKET.

IT'S A LITTLE LESS KNOWN AND CONFIRMED. I KNOW SOME OF THESE FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE WAITING LIST ARE MANAGING THE HANGER AND IF THEY HAD SPACE THEY USE THAT SPACE IF IT'S AVAILABLE. I ALSO KNOW IF A BULK HANGER COMES AVAILABLE TO KEEP IT ON THE WAITING LIST. IT'S THE BEST AGENCY TO MANAGE A BULK HANGER AND IT'S FOR SOMEBODY THAT HAS MOVING SERVICE. THIS KIND OF A QUESTION OF WHO

YOU'RE TRYING TO SERVE. >> HOW MANY BULK HANGERS CAN YOU RECEIVE FOR THE NEXT 10 TO

15 YEARS FOR THE AIRPORT. >> WHAT I THINK WAS INTERESTING.

>> SOMETIMES YOU GET ENOUGH DEMAND ON THE SECOND AND NOT ON NEXT SHOT.

>> IT MAKES A DECISION BASED OFF THE KNOWN EXAM. >> WE ARE IN A PERIOD OF TIME WITH THE WAITING LIST AND I KNOW WE HAVE VERY STRONG HANGER SPACE.

THE CHARGE PROBABLY $450 OR $500 A UNIT. >> THE BULK HANGER BASICALLY

REPRESENTS LAND LEASE CONTRACT QUESTION. >> FOR BULK HANGERS IS WORKING

WITH THE COMMERCIAL SPACE. >> WHAT I'LL DO IS BRING BACK SOME BETTER NUMBERS.

[00:55:03]

>> WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT STATE FUNDING GRANT BECAUSE OF THE PROJECT.

>> NATE, THIS IS DON. SOMEHOW IS ON YOU AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO BREAK IN.HIS IS BASICALLY TOO EARLY TO SAY IT'S PURELY MATHEMATICAL WHETHER THERE IS A RETURN ON INVESTMENT. WE NEED MORE INFORMATION AND IT APPEARS WE NEED A LOT MORE TO HANGERS BUT IF ONE IS A BULK HANGER AND ONE OF THE ROW HANGERS THAT BRING INTO US VERSUS HOWEVER MANY TEAM HANGERS WE CAN MAKE. TO ME IT'S WAY TOO EARLY FOR US TO RECOMMEND WHICH WAY TO GO BECAUSE WE NEED MORE INFORMATION.

>> I CAN COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING TO GIVE YOU PROJECTIONS.

FUNDING PROJECTIONS AS WELL AS AND IF WE TOOK A PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP YEARS WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH RENT CREDITS TO MAKE A REVENUE COMPARISON.

IT WOULD BE EASY TO DO. >> WHEN YOU COME BACK IN THE NEXT MEETING MAYBE YOU HAVE

MORE DETAILS ON BE. >> YES, SIR I WILL. IN FACT I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH THE CAR TODAY.I FEEL LIKE WE WILL HAVE A WAY FORWARD WITH THEM WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS TO KNOW IF THE BUREAU IS GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO USE THAT FACILITY AND HAVE INTEREST OR NOT. BY THE NEXT MEETING WILL HAVE THAT DOWN.

>> I THINK THAT THE DISCUSSION WHETHER WE GO HE KEY HANGER OR BULK HANGER WE NEED TO KNOW

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO HANGER BE. >> THAT'S A GREAT COMMON TOO.

I AGREE WITH YOU. HANGER B IS COMING AVAILABLE AND WE RETURN THAT BACK OVER TO

SERVER PARTIAL PROBE PURPOSE. THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT. >> THE GOVERNOR'S DIRECT BILL WITH THE STATE DEPARTMENT TO REDUCE BUDGETS BY 8.5%. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WILL GET THE GRANT MONEY BUT YOU MIGHT BE GETTING LESS MONEY AND SO THAT IS CONSIDERATION DOWN THE LINE. HE PROBABLY GET MORE VALUE WITH THE KEY HANGER.

>> COMMISSIONER HAS A GREAT POINT.SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE STATE AND I SIT ON THE STATE BOARD WITH F.AND OTHER AIRPORTS. WE REVIEW AVIATION FUEL SALES TAX AND WHAT THE FUTURE VOCATION WILL BE WITH FUNDING. THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNKNOWN THEIR I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY GET INFORMATION ON THE IN THE NEXT YEAR BY FISCAL YEAR 23. THE COMMISSION IS A GREAT POINT.

THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THAT UNKNOWN IMPACTS TO THE GRANT PROGRAM.

>> YOU JUST STATED THAT YOU WANT DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS SO THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE

HAVING RIGHT NOW TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION OR IDEAS. >> I WAS LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER TONIGHT. OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE QUESTIONS I COULD BRING BACK.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT COMPARISON TO MAKE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR US TO THINK ABOUT FOR THE NEXT CURRENT DISCUSSION?

>> I'D LIKE MAKE NATE TO INCLUDE IN HIS ATE, I'M COMING UP WITH A 20 YEARS OF RENT TO PAY OFF THE HUNDRED AND $20,000 INVESTMENT.S THAT ABOUT RIGHT?

>> THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE FAIRLY ACCURATE. HERE'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES AND AVIATION'S. HANGERS ARE EXPENSIVE TO PUT SIMPLY.

THAT'S WHY WE RUN INTO THIS CONVERSATION OF WHAT WE JUST GO OUT AND TAKE THAT SERVICE AND BUILD HANGERS. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T PENCIL WELL WHEN YOU TAKE THE LEVERAGE OF DOLLARS, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE NOT SEEING PRIVATE ENTITIES KNOCKING ON THE DOOR SHOULD DO IT. I RUN PROJECTIONS FOR HANGER SPACE.

HANGERS WERE BUILDING THE FALLS OBVIOUSLY FINANCIAL MODEL LOOKS A LOT BETTER BECAUSE HALF OF THAT PROJECT IS BEING FUNDED. MANY EFFORTS ARE ABLE TO HAVE A GOOD THING SOMETIMES IT'S THE COMPLAINT I HEAR FROM THE STATE LEVEL. AIRPORT SUBSIDIZED FOR HANGER

RATE AND THEY ARE NOT MAKING ENOUGH REVENUE FOR THE AIRPORT. >> THEY HAD US TO DO THAT ON

[7.4 Mercedes Benz Facility Use Agreement Review]

[01:02:45]

MERCEDES-BENZ. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE AGREEMENT.

THERE IS AN ADDENDUM TO THE FACILITIES USE AGREEMENT AND A CALLS FOR INDEMNIFICATION ON THE PART OF THE CITY TO MERCEDES-BENZ. IT SEEMS TO ME TO BE CONTRARY TO THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT. WHEN DOES THIS ADDENDUM COME AND WHY IS IT HERE?

>> THIS CLAUSE I THINK IS A FIRST ATTACHMENT FOR IDENTIFICATION.

I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND HAVE HER GIVE US SOME INPUT ON THAT IDENTIFICATION. THE SAME LANGUAGE WAS IN A PREVIOUS AGREEMENT WE USED FOR MERCEDES-BENZ. WE MAY HAVE TO GO BACK TO GIVE YOU A BETTER ANSWER.

>> I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. >> ARE YOU IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE NAVIGATION WHERE THE USER AGREES TO ASSUME LIABILITY?

>> WE THE CITY IS THE VENDOR. >> YES THAT'S CORRECT. >> I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO

[01:05:04]

HEAR WHAT CITY COUNCIL THOUGHT ON THIS. >> THAT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR CITY ATTORNEY. I'M HAPPY TO GO TO HER TO SEE IF SHE WOULD WEIGH IN ON THIS.

I'M SURE SHE COULD GET THE FEEDBACK AND I'LL GET THE EMAIL OUT TO THE GROUP.

>> HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS AGREEMENT. I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THE FIRST PAGE. PARAGRAPH NUMBER TWO. USER WILL SET UP AND USE THE FACILITY ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS DURING THE PERIOD ON THE CLOSE RUNWAY 1836 BETWEEN 927 AND

TAXIWAY CHARLIE. >> THESE ARE NOT OFF-ROAD VEHICLES.

THIS IS NOT A RACING EVENT. THEY'RE OUT WITH ONE CAR AND THIS IS NOT GENERATING TO BE

HONEST. >> I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK AND WORK WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY FOR A COMMENT ON QUESTIONS ABOUT IDENTIFICATION. I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK AND SEE IF I CAN GET THE EMAIL OUT TO THE GROUP AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I'D RATHER CONFIRM WITH HER ON

THAT PARAGRAPH. >> WHO HAD AT THAT PAGE? >> HE DIDN'T TO THIS AGREEMENT IS FROM MERCEDES-BENZ. THE REASON THE SLING WHICH IS IN N HERE IS LESS THAN THEY WERE HERE IS WE USE THE SAME EXACT AGREEMENT. BOTH SETS OF ATTORNEY AGREED IT. THEY HAVE A FACILITIES USE COMPONENT AND MERCEDES-BENZ IS A CORPORATE STRUCTURE AND SO THERE IS SOME NEGOTIATION BACK AND FORTH TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.

OUTSIDE OF THIS TYPE OF EVENT IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO IDENTIFY PARTIES.

I'D RATHER THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY COMMENT ON THIS SO I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY OF COURSE.E HAVE USED ASSIGNMENT BEFORE SO THAT'S WHY. I THINK I PUT IT IN THE COMMISSION PACKET. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASKED WAS ABOUT NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS WITHIN THE STATE. MY ANTICIPATION WITH THE GROUP WAS THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AROUND 10 INDIVIDUALS ON SITE. THAT SOMETHING WE ARE STILL FOR ASKING THIS WEEK SINCE WE HAVE BEEN OF. WE WORK WITH THEM TO LIMIT PARTICIPANTS.

WE CONDITIONALLY WRITE SOMETHING IN THERE. >> NEED A STILL LOOKING FOR A

MOTION TO GO FORWARD MINUS THE CONCERNS WITH IDENTIFICATION. >> I WAS CAN RECOMMEND MOVE FORWARD TO THE CITY COMMISSION. AS LONG AS THE CITY ATTORNEY IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT

PROVISION. >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD TO THIS.

[8. AIRPORT DIRECTOR AND STAFF REPORTS]

[01:10:02]

>> WHAT IS NEXT NATE. >> I JUST HAVE MY MONTHLY REPORT.

I THINK WE'VE ACTUALLY COVERED MOST OF THE ITEMS ON THE MONTHLY REPORT.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MONTHLY REPORT IF THERE'S

ANYTHING ELSE. >> YOU MENTIONED THE ARMY GUARD.

>> IS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DYNAMICS AND CHARACTERISTICS OF WHETHER OR NOT HE WILL BE A GOOD FIT. THEY HAVE SOME NUANCES IN THE WAY THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO ENTER AGREEMENTS AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR USE OF PROPERTY WITH THE TRAINING SITE.

THE GUARD HAS AN INTEREST IN HAVING A SOBER YEAR AND HAVING A LONGER PRESENCE HERE OR PERHAPS THEY MIGHT BUILD A FACILITY AT SOME POINT ON AIRPORT PROPERTY.

WHAT WE ENCOUNTERED IS THEY ARE VERY USED TO LEASING PROPERTY ON FACILITIES AND AIRPORTS.

IT'S NOT OFTEN THEY COME IN FOR TRAINING SITE AND LISA BUILDING.

THE BEER WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TYPE OF PROPERTY THAT THEY COULD COMPLETE THEIR EXERCISE OR ACTIVITY. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS IF THERE IS ANOTHER WAY TO WORK WITH AN ASSISTANT WITH THE REDRAW PROPERTY IT'S MORE STANDARDIZED FOR PROPOSAL WHERE THEY HAVE PROPERTY FOR EXERCISE AND THE LEASE FACILITY. I KNOW THAT SOUNDS COMPLICATED BUT WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE IS JUST RENTING THE FACILITY WITHOUT A LARGE AREA OUTSIDE

THE NORMAL OF THE WAY WE PERCEIVE A PROPOSAL TO LEASE. >> WE CAN FIGURE WITH THE PROPOSAL IS FOR THE USE OF PROPERTY. PERHAPS TENURE B IS A FACILITY AND THEN THERE'S ALISA PROPERTY WHEN REQUESTED OR NEEDED AT THE AIRPORT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITY WHERE WE SUPPORT MILITARY UNITS THAT COME OUT AND DO MANUAL EXERCISE TRAINING. WE SCHEDULE SPACE FOR EVERY EXERCISE OUT HERE.

>> ARE THEY POSITIVE ABOUT WHAT THE OUTLOOK IS? IS THERE ANY IDEA HOURS STILL

UP IN THE AIR? >> THEY WANT TO BE HERE. THEY REALLY ENJOY THE PARTNERSHIP AT THE AIRPORT TO THE POINT WHERE IF FOR SOME REASON HANGER BE AN PROPOSAL CAN'T FIT IN THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT WORKS THEY LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS TO BE HERE WITH US.

>> THE POSITIVE FIBERS THEY WANT TO BE HERE. >> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATE? >> WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE UPDATES OF THE CESSNA LANE .

THE LATEST UPDATE IS ABOUT TO ASK AGO. THEY ARE STILL TENTATIVELY PLANNING TO CONDUCT THE EVENT. THE POWER ASSOCIATION IS SCHEDULED FROM THE EIGHTH THROUGH THE 11TH OF OCTOBER. I DO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE PUBLISHED INFORMATION STATING THAT THE GROUP SAYS OF COURSE STILL HAVE A LOT OF SOCIAL DISTANCING PRACTICES AND I THINK THEY WILL BE REDUCING REGISTRATION NUMBERS TO HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE.

AT THIS TIME WE'RE TENTATIVELY EXPECTING IF IT HAPPENS ARE ALSO EXPECTED TO REDUCE PRESENCE OF THE AIRPORT. THERE IS STILL A CHANCE WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IF THEY CAN GET A MINIMUM NUMBER OF REGISTRATIONS THEY WILL CANCEL THE EVENT.

I DON'T HAVE A FIRM ANSWER OF YES IT WILL HAPPEN BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S STILL TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED ALONG WITH THAT WE HAVE THE ARMY GUARD INTERESTED IN PROVIDING TRAFFIC SURFACE.

AT SOME POINT IT BECOMES A DIMINISHING LEVEL OF BENEFIT TO THEM WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO GET

[01:15:04]

IF YOUR TRAFFIC VOLUME IS INSUFFICIENT IT'S PROBABLY NOT WORTH THEIR TIME AND EFFORT TO COME OUT. ON AVERAGE THEY SEE HUNDRED AND 50 YEAR OF MIGRATION PER YEAR AND THAT'S WHERE WE THOUGHT WILL BENEFIT TO HAVE THE TALENT COME IN.

RIGHT NOW IT'S TENTATIVELY YES BUT THERE IS A LOT OF UNKNOWN. >> THERE IS A LOT OF EVENTS

JUST UP IN THE AIR. >> I HAVE ONE, YOUR REPORT FOR THE LAST BULLET ITEM ABOUT THE AIR FORCE CONFERENCE ROOM BEING AVAILABLE FOR MEETINGS AND WHATNOT.

I JUST WANT TO PASS ON PUBLICLY THE THINGS OF THE EAA FOR THE AIRPORT HELPING TO SET UP THE ZOOM MEETING. WE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT EFFORT ON YOUR PART.

THANK YOU. >> THINK YOU WE ARE HAPPY TO DO IT.

IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO THE SAME THING JUST LET ME KNOW I'M HAPPY TO SET UP.

>> EXPECT A CALL. >> THAT'S WHAT I HAVE LESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

[10. NEXT MEETING DATE]

>> WHAT IS THE NEXT MEETING DATE? >> SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER.

>> IT WAS THE TIMBER TENT I SEPTEMBER 10 I BELIEVE. >> YES SEPTEMBER 10.

THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR JOINING IN UNWELCOME DUCK AGAIN. THANK YOU TO NATE AND THE

AIRPORT STAFF FOR THE GREAT WORK YOU'RE DOING. >> AND MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN.

IT IS 7:18 PM. THANK YOU GUYS. I MOVED TO ADJOURN.

>> I SECOND THAT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.