Aug 11, 2020 Parks & Recreation Advisory Committee

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>> WE'RE READY. >> OKAY.

[Items 1 - 3]

ALL SET. >> NEXT UP PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

YOU WANT TO START ON YOUR END.

[4. MINUTES]

>> IT LOOKS WE HAVE QUITE A FEW SETS OF MINUTES TO APPROVE.

>> I WILL MAKE MOTION APROVE ALL THE MINUTES ACCEPT THE MARCH 2020 DRAFT. WHICH I GAVE JUST SOME TYPO

CORRECTION TYPE THINGS. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MARCH

10TH? >> YES.

THERE WAS -- THE PROPERTY WAS OWNED OR OWED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD WHICH MAY MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO SOMEONE LATER.

AND MEMBER BARTETT ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL SPACE SOMETHING FOR PARKING. IT WASN'T QUITE THERE.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> I WILL SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR -- >> AYE.

ALL OPPOSED? OKAY.

[5. ELECTION OF CHAIR PERSON]

>> COULD I ASK FOR PEOPLE OF SHOW HANDS WHO IS WILLING TO BE

A BOARD CHAIRPERSON? >> RAISE YOUR HAND.

>> NO. I'M NOT RAISING MY HAND.

CAN WE NOMINATE SOMEONE IN THEIR ABSENCE?

>> I DON'T SEE WHY NOT? I WOULD NOMINATE MEMBER KEGLER.

>> I DON'T REALLY THINK WE SHOULD DO WITH OUT THIS BEING

HERE. >> I KNOW.

>> I HATE TO SAY THIS, DO YOU WANT TO DEFER THIS UNTIL WE HAVE

A FULL ATTENDANCE? >> IT DOES SEEM LIKE WE SHOULD IF NONE OF US HERE ARE EAGER TO TAKE THE SPOT.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. >> SURE.

>> LET'S HOLD IT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

>> OKAY. WE'RE MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

[LAUGHTER] >> OKAY.

NOW IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE

[6.1 Bosque Bello Columbarium, Sal Cumella]

COLUMBARIA. >> BOSQUE BELLO IS HERE IN

PERSON. >> HI, EVERYBODY.

THANKS FOR HAVING US THIS AFTERNOON.

I'M BOSQUE BELLO. SOME OF YOU EYE WORKED WITH BEFORE. I WAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNER FOR THE CITY. I'M ACTIVE IN CEMETERY PRESERVATION AROUND THE COUNTRY. I'M HERE TODAY AS CHAIR OF THE FRIENDS OF BOSQUE BELLO AND FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW THE FRIENDS OF BOSQUE BELLO IS AN ARM OF THE AMELIA ISLAND FERNANDINA FOUNDATION. ADVOCACY GROUP FOR THE CEMETERY.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BRIEF INTRODUCTION AND THEN WE HAVE OUR ELECTED ARCHITECTS THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE FULL PRESENTATION AND THE DESIGN. SO THIS PROJECT -- WHY IS THIS

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THIS IS PART OF A LARGER HOLISTIC LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WE PLAN TO DO FOR NEXT YEAR. THIS THE KIND OF A PHASE ONE OF THIS PROJECT. I WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT'S COMING UP. THAT LANDSCAPE MASTER PLAN WHICH HAD BEEN NEEDED FOR A VERY LONG TIME IN THE CEMETERY.

AND THE FIRST GOAL ON THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN HAS TO DO WITH PRESERVATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THE TREES AS WE KNOW FROM ITS NAME BOSQUE BELLO THE TREES ARE VERY IMPORTANT IN THIS CEMETERY.

SOME IMPORTANT FACTS I WANTED TO THROW OUT THERE AND HAVE EVERYBODY THINKING ABOUT AS YOU SEE THE PRESENTATION THIS AFTERNOON IN 2016 THE CREMATION RATE SURPASSED 50% AND EXPECTED THAT BY 2040 THE CREMATION RATE WILL BE ABOVE 80%.

SO THIS THE A DEFINITE TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING.

ALL OVER THE WORLD IN CREMATION AS PREFERENCE FOR BURIALS.

>> CURRENT CONDITIONS AT THE CEMETERY RIGHT NOW.

THE ONLY TYPE OF BURIAL PRESENTLY ALLOWED IN BOSQUE BELLO ARE BELOW GROUND OR ABOVE GROUND BURIALS FOR TRADITIONAL CASKET BURIALS. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PURCHASE FULL-SIZE PLOT. CURRENTLY THERE'S COLUMBARIA EXISTING IN THE CEMETERY. IN 2015, THERE WAS A BOSQUE BELLO MASTER PLAN DONE. AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF PART REALLY RELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION TODAY.

THE FIRST ONE IT SAYS TAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT GOT STEADY INCREASE FOR COLUMBARIA SPACE FOR ALTERNATIVE BURIAL OPTION THAT DOESN'T RAE CHOIR PURCHASING A FULL-SIZE PLOT. AGAIN, WE'RE SEEING IT ON THE LOCAL LEVEL. THIS TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING WORLDWIDE. GIVEN THAT THE TRENDS AND STATISTICS FOR THE CEMETERY ILLUSTRATING THAT THE PLOTS MAY BE SOLD OUT WITHIN TEN TO 12 YEARS AND THE FACT THERE'S VERY FEW PUBLIC BURIAL OPTIONS IN NASHUA COUNTY AND NO OTHER ON THE ISLAND,THE CITY WILL NEED TO EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS BESIDES PLOT BURIAL. AND REMEMBER THAT WAS 2015.

TEN TO TWELVE YEARS WE'RE ALMOST THERE.

THE CEMETERY IS APPROACHING CAPACITY.

ALSO IN THIS CEMETERY MASTER PLAN, IT SAYS THAT 70% OF SURVEY RESPONDENT INDICATED THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE COLUMBARIA OPTION AT BOSQUE BELLO. 54% SAID THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MEMORIAL WALL OPTION TO COMMEMORATE LOVED ONES FEHN THEY WERE NOT BURIED THERE. ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT AND THE TEAM WILL GO MUCH MORE INTO DETAIL IN IT IN PRESENTATION, BUT AS WE'RE APPROACH CAPACITY AT THE CEMETERY, OBVIOUSLY FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT THERE WON'T BE MUCH MORE MONEY COMING INTO THE CEMETERY ONCE PLOTS ARE FULLY SOLD. THIS THE A WAY AND LIKE I SAID CEMETERIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY ARE ADDING IN COLUMBARIA FOR THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF IT NOT JUST THE AMENITY OF IT.

BECAUSE THEY CAN BRING IN MORE MONEY TO PERPETUAL CARE FUND TO MAINTAIN AND PRESERVE THE CEMETERY IN THE FUTURE.

TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR TEAM THIS PROJECT HAS GONE BACK AND FORTH SINCE 2015. IT HAS HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WORKING ON IT. THIS -- THE CURRENT PROJECT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS PROJECT MANAGER IS SCOTT MICHAELSON FROM THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH. FROM FRIENDS OF BOSQUE BELLO I'M THE CHAIR OF THAT GROUP. BUT WE HAVE A STEERING COMMITTEE THAT IS BROKEN UP INTO DIFFERENT SUBCOMMITTEES THAT HANDLE DIFFERENT TASK AT THE CEMETERY. FOR THE COLUMBARIA COMMITTEE I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE MISDEMEANOR BARGAINER.

MARYANNE AND TEAM PETERSON WHO WORKED ON THAT.

AND WE BROUGHT IN LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS.

AND TODAY WE HAVE JEREMY MARQUIST AND VLADIMIR TO GIVE YOU THE PRESENTATION. HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. WE WILL HERE AFTER IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. WE'RE EXCITED TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.

WITH THAT IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS, IT WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER OR WE COULD GET INTO THE PRESENTATION.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> OKAY.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >>

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> GO FOR IT. >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION AND MAYBE YOU WILL COVER THIS. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE -- CAN WE GET A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY OF BOSQUE BELLO AND HOW THE STILL ACQUIRED IT AND YOU KNOW ASIDE FROM NEED FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE ISSUES WHAT HAS DRIVEN THE FINANCIAL PIECE OF THIS? IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH MONEY IS BEING SPENT MAINTENANCE AND HOW SO FORTH. IF THERE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. MANY OF US WEREN'T HERE IN '16 WHEN YOU STARTED THE PROJECT. CEMETERY QUITE OLD.

IT'S FROM THE OLDEST BURIAL I BELIEVE 1813.

I BELIEVE. >> YEAH.

THE OLDEST BURIAL. IT PREDATES THAT.

OLDEST ACTUAL BURIAL WE HAD WAS 1813.

IT WAS SPANISH PERIOD CEMETERY. OBVIOUSLY ASSOCIATED WITH OLD TOWN IN FERNANDINA. WHICH WAS TRADITIONAL TO IS THE CEMETERY OUTSIDE THE TOWN GATES. THE CEMETERY HAS A LONG HISTORY.

IT'S BEEN MAINTAINED BY DIFFERENT GROUPS O OVER -- OVER THE YEARS. NONPROFITS HAVE DONE IT.

LIKE LADIES GROUPS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YEAR THE CITY TOOK MAINTENANCE OF IT. WE'VE HAD IT FOR QUITE A WHILE.

AND REALLY THE CITY IS ATTITUDE TOWARD MAINTENANCE THE CUTTING THE GRASS. THERE HASN'T BEEN UNTIL 2015 MASTER PLAN REAL ACTION PLAN WHAT TO DO WITH THE CEMETERY.

THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS NOTED THAT CEMETERY ALMOST AT CAPACITY AND FOR FINANCIAL REASONS WE SHOULD ALSO DO THE COLUMBARIA AND BECAUSE THAT'S THE TREND THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TOWARDS. THERE'S A LOT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT IN THE CEMETERY.

AND OUR LANDSCAPE MASTER PLAN WILL LOOK AT HOPEFULLY START IN OCTOBER WILL ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

INCLUDING TREE PLANTING AND THE TREES OUT THERE AND ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD ADD?

>> WE'RE BASICALLY THIS WAS DRIVEN BY THE 2015 MASTER PLAN RECOGNIZING THAT THIS IS A NEED. THIS THE MIKE.

GOOD TO BE WITH YOU AND GOOD TO SEE SAL.

IF WE CAN GET THE SCREEN THAT THE PRESENTATION WILL BE SHOWN

ON. >> THEY WILL SHARE IT IN A

MINUTE. >> SO I'M JEREMY MARQUIST.

SHOULD I DIVE IN? >> YES.

>> GREAT. WELL, THE HOST DOES NEED TO ALLOW ME TO SHARE MY SCREEN. IF I MIGHT.

IF YOU WOULD ALL PREFER JUST SHARE THE SCREEN THAT WOULD BE

CERTAINLY FINE AS WELL. >> I THINK THAT HAS TO BE ALICIA'S. THEY ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.

THEY ARE WORKING ON IT RIGHT THIS SECOND.

>> WE APPRECIATE BEING WITH YOU TODAY.

AS WE WORK ON THE TECHNOLOGY SIDE I THOUGHT MAYBE I COULD TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO INTRODUCE OURSELF.

WE'RE A PLANNING FIRM OUT OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

WE'RE THRILLED TO BE WORKING WITH FERNANDINA JUST A FEW THE PROPERTIES. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON US WITH CEMETERIES. WE ACTUALLY ARE DOING AND HAVE DONE QUITE A BIT OF HISTORIC CEMETERY WORK.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE FIVE DIFFERENT HISTORIC CEMETERIES. PRIMARILY AFRICAN-AMERICAN CEMETERIES ON HOW TO PERFORM RESTORATION AS WELL AS JUST LOOK AT THE CONNECTION THAT THEY HAVE WITH COMMUNITY.

I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT. CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT BOSQUE BELLO HAS THE CONNECTION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND IT.

THE OTHER CEMETERIES THAT WE PRIMARILY WORK WITH THE CATHOLIC

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NOT ONLY WE WORK WITH THE CEMETERY THE SAN LORENZO CEMETERY. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THAT PROPERTY SINCE 2006. WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH THE DIOCESE ON ADDITIONAL CEMETERY PROPERTIES.

IT'S AN INTERESTING NICHE WE FAND OUR SEXUALS IN.

AND ONE THAT WE ARE ALWAYS V VERY -- WE FIND OURSELVES IN AND ONE WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT. IT'S A COMMUNITY LANDSCAPE.

IT'S A PLACE WHERE IN THIS CASE FERNANDINA CAN HELP RESTORE FERNANDINA AS COMMUNITY AND FOR THE SPECIFIC FOLKS THAT ARE BURIED IN THIS SITE. THANK YOU TO ALICIA OR OTHERS THAT ALLOW ME TO SEE THE SCREEN. CAN EVERYBODY SEE THE SCREEN THAT HAVE BOSQUE BELLO? EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT?

>> YES. >> SMILEY FACE FOR THE WIN.

THANKS FOR LET US US JOIN. I REALIZE THE MAIN FOCUS ON THE COLUMBARIA. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE PROCESS AND WHAT WE WENT THROUGH TO GET TO THIS POINT.

SAL MENTIONED A NUMBER OF THE PREVIOUS STUDIES.

WE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON THE SITE.

LUCKILY THIS WAS BEFORE ALL OF THIS SOCIAL DISTANCING AND MASKS AND ALL THAT. IT WAS GOOD GET TOGETHER A FEW MONTHS BEFORE THAT HIT BECAUSE IT WAS USEFUL TO WALK THE GROUNDS TOGETHER WITH SOT AND WITH SAL AND A NUMBER OF OTHERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE REALLY MAKES THIS PLACE SO SPECIAL.

CERTAINLY OUTSIDE OF THE GRAVE SUITS THEMSELVES AND THE MONUMENT THE TREES. THE TREE CANOPY IS BEAUTIFUL.

IT'S LITERALLY THE MAIN. THERE'S THREE MAIN POINTS I WOULD LIKE TO PULL YOUR ATTENTION TO.

WE NEED TO COME IN WITH TIMELESS MATERIAL AND TIMELESS DESIGN.

THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S DONE IN 2020 AND TEN YEARS FROM YOU KNOW IT'S DONE IN 2020. THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT FEELS LIKE THERE'S PART OF THE DNA THAT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE TO A SERB DEGREE AND THAT IN 50 OR 100 YEARS, THAT IT JUST FEELS JUST RIGHT. THAT'S SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT CEMETERY. YOU LOOK AT 10, 20, 50 YEAR

OUTLOOK. >> YOU LOOK AT HUNDRED OF YEARS.

CERTAINLY A VERY INTERESTING WAY TO APPROACH IT.

CERTAINLY WANT TO BE THOUGHTFUL OF CONTINUING THE STORY OF FERNANDINA AS THE COMMUNITY, THE NEWEST I GUESS YOU COULD SAY.

ST. AUGUSTINE WE HAVE THE SHARED DNA IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE ALSO WANT TO REINFORCE THE CEMETERY ORGANIZATION DURING THE PROCESS. THE AREA THAT WE FIRST FOCUSING IN ON AS SAL MENTIONED WE HAD RECOMMEND THAT THERE NEED TO BE A COUPLE OF MASTER PLANS. WE REALIZE THIS WAS THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE WE DID ZOOM IN AND START WITH THIS SECTION AND WE PUT TOGETHER WHAT WE CALL OUR FRAMEWORK PLAN.

THIS IS REALLY LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES AND CONSTRAINTS ON THE SITE. THERE'S A FEW THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO. THE FIRST IS THE BACKDROP.

WE'RE WORKING TO L-SHAPE AREA. LOOKING AT THE COLUMBARIA.

WITHIN THAT ARE A NUMBER OF TR TREES. ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO NOW THAT ACTUALLY ASSESSED ALL THE TREES. GOOD, GREEN, FAIR, YELLOW OR POOR OR DEAD. AND SO AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, WE TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY HAVE -- AND CONCEPT AT THIS POINT BUT WE HAVE AVOIDED ALL THE GOOD TREES.

AND ANY IMPROVEMENT WE WERE LOOKING AT EITHER USING THE AREA ALREADY OPEN OR WHERE THERE WAS ALREADY DEAD TREES.

SOME OF WHICH HAVE BEEN REMOVED. STORMS HAVE PASSED THROUGH, ET CETERA. THAT WAS ABOUT FIVE YEARS O OLD.

BUT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CERTAINLY STICK OUT ABOUT THIS. TWO ARE NOT LIKE THE OTHER OS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE ROADWAY BRIDGE YOU HAVE THIS PORTION OF

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A LOT OF PIECES WE OPPOSE SHOULD WE COME BACK INTO ACTUALLY RESTORE WHAT APPEARS TO BE ORIGINAL ROADWAY AND THE NICE THINGS IS ACTUALLY THE GOOD TREE CAN ONLY IMPACT THE POOR OR DEAD TREES. EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN PURPLE STANDARD INGROUND. THERE'S A PORTION THAT THE CITY COMMISSION DESIGNATED CALLED BABY LAND DESIGNATED.

BEING CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE WORK AROUND ALL THE VERY SENSITIVE AREAS. IN TERMS OF YOUR VOCABULARY.

ALL ABOUT THE BIG TREES. IT HAS SOME BEAUTIFUL FOCAL OAKS. ONE OF THE OTHER PIECES WHAT WE CALL THE RURAL OR COUNTRY ROADWAYS.

THIS DOESN'T NEED TO BE I THINK OVERLY DEVELOPED, OVERLY URBANIZED KIND OF APPROACH. THERE'S SOMETHING LOVELY AND WONDERFUL ABOUT THE FACT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE PASTORAL CHARACTER. WE WANT TO REFLECT THAT.

YOU HAVE A VARIETY OF NICE STATUTORY AND WROUGHT-IRON.

I THOUGHT THIS WAS FINE. YOU FOUND THIS ON INSTAGRAM.

>> I WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES THE CEMETERY SO INTERESTING TO PEOPLE. I WENT THROUGH INSTAGRAM AND SORTED BY MOST POPULAR IMAGES AND TRIED TO FIND OUT WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE TAKE PHOTOS OF.

THAT STATUAY WITH THE WOODING A SEXUAL COMMON.

THE PHOTOS OF TREEINGS EVERYWHERE.

THAT'S WHAT'S CAPTURING PEOPLE'S IMAGINATION.

IT'S IN A HISTORIC AREA AND THE TREES.

THERE'S THE SCIENTIFIC, NONSCIENTIFIC APPROACH.

JUST ANOTHER DATA POINT AS WHAT ARE FOLKS WHO ARE VISITING THE COMMUNITY LIVING IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL WHAT CATCHES THEIR EYE. WHAT IS UNIQUE? WE WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MATERIAL HAVE FERNANDINA. ST. AUGUSTINE YOU THINK A LOT OF SHELF. COME TO FERNANDINA IT'S RIDICULOUS. YOU HAVE BRICK EVERYWHERE.

WE HAVE IDEAS HOW TO UTILIZE THAT.

WENT THROUGH A COUPLE OF INITIAL CONCEPT.

ONE FOCUSED MORE IN TERMS O OF CREATING A MORE INWARD FOCUS NICHE. ANOTHER LOOKING AT MORE OF AN OPEN LAWN AND LET ME WAKE YOU ALL THROUGH THE CONCEPT AND WE CERTAINLY OPEN UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

THAT THERE ARE ESSENTIALLY TWO MAIN ACCESS RUNNING THROUGH THE AREA. AND I SHOULD TAKE A STEP BACK AND NASHUA STREET WOULD BE STRAIGHTENED OUT AND CONTINUE ALL THE WAY TO THE CENTER OF MAGNOLIA.

WE RETURN THE GEOMETRY TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED WHICH IS ALSO GOOD BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME GRAVES IN THIS AREA THAT EXISTING ROAD GETTING QUITE CLOSE TO.

COMING THROUGH HERE WE NOW ELIMINATE WITH THE LAWN THAT WE HAVE IN THE MIDDLE. THERE WOULD BE 350 PRIVATE NICHES ON THE INTERIOR. THIS EXISTING TREE WE WOULD WORK AROUND. THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF OUR COMMITMENT TO IF WE CAN WORK AROUND EXISTING GOOD TREE.

WE LOOK TO DO THAT. THERE WOULD THEN BE A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY THAT GOES FROM EAST WEST AS WELL AS FROM NORTH TO SOUTH.

ALONG WITH SOME ON STREET PARKING THAT PROVIDES ADA ACCESS. THE FUTURE IDEA WHAT RECALLING GARDEN NICHES. THERE'S A SERIES OF THESE THAT ARE BOTH DEFINING A CENTRAL LAWN AND THEN CREATING THAT EASTERN EDGE. AND SO WHILE WE CALL A PRIVATE

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THE GARDEN NICHES REALLY EMBRACE AND BRING IN THE REST OF THE CEMETERY AND ET CETERA. I THINK YOU WILL FIND DIFFERENT FAMILY WANT DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTS THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEIR LOVED ONE BURIED. .

THESE ARE SOME OF THE RENDERING LOOKING AT WHAT THIS COULD LOOK AND FEEL LIKE. THIS IS ACTUALLY LOOKING TOWARDS THE GARDEN NICHES FROM TOWARD THE PRIVATE NICHES TOWARD REALIGNED NASHUA STREET. THERE'S BRICK PATHWAYS.

MEMORIAL WALL FLANKING THE ENTRANCE AND THEN NICE BRICK DETAILED WORK THAT ALLOWS FOR THE TIME ELEGANT FORM.

THIS IS LOOKING AT IT 90 DEGREES.

THIS IS WE WERE LOOKING AT FIRST FROM THIS DIRECTION.

WE'VE NOW TURNED 90 DEGREES AND WE LOOK AT THAT LONG VIEW COMING IN FROM THE WEST. IN ADDITION TO PATHWAY YOU WOULD HAVE IN GROUND NICHES ON BOTH SIDES.

ADDITIONAL MEMORIAL WALL OPPORTUNITY AND THEN AS YOU COME INTO THE INTERIOR, THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE THE BRONZE NICHE PLATES THAT ARE ON THE BRICK WALL THEMSELVES.

WITH THE TUMBLED BRICK CARD A LITTLE BIT OF LANDSCAPING AND THIS WOULD BE OAK INDUSTRY. IT'S PRETTY MUCH AN OPEN SPACE THAT YOU COULD IMAGINE HAVING GATHERING OF 50 OR SO LOVED ONE OR SERVICE I SHOULD SAY. BUT THAT IT'S STILL FEELS PRIVATE THAT YOU CAN COME AS A COUPLE OR BY YOURSELF.

>> DID YOU LOOK ALONG THE PATHWAY, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THERE'S A BENCH THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE IN-GROUND NICHES.

THE BENCHES YOU HAVE INGROUND BENCHES.

YOU HAVE NITCH PLATE AND MEMORIAL WALT.

IT'S A VARIETY OF PRODUCTS SO YOU CAN FIND A WAY TO HONOR YOUR LOVED ONE. THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE AT HOW THEY WANT TO MEMORIALIZE THEIR LOVED ONES.

>> THE MORE OF THE BENCHES. NOW WE'RE SHIFTING TOWARD THE EAST. THIS IS NASSAU STREET AT THE BOTTOM. THIS IS LOOKING DOWN THE LAWN OF THE GARDEN NICHES. THEY ARE DESIGNED -- YOU HAVE VIEW OF THE SPACES. AND THIS IS LOOKING BACK TOWARD -- HERE'S THAT PRIVATE AREA WE WERE LOOKING AT.

YOU CAN COMPARE HOW OPEN THESE AREAS FEEL.

SO AGAIN BRONZE NICHE PLATES THAT ON THE INTERIOR AND THEN THE LOOKING DOWN THE LAWN. YOU WOULD HAVE THIS SERIES OF THEM. WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE SERIES, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD IT ALL AT THE BEGINNING.

YOU CAN ADD THE -- AS THERE'S A NEED IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT LEADS UP TO OUR SUGGESTION. PHASING PLAN.

THIS THE ONE SCENARIO WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.

PHASE ONE BEING THE PRIVATE NICHES.

PHASE 2 THAT WOULD FINISH THE OVAL AS WELL AS THAT EAST WEST CONNECTION THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

PHASE THREE GARDEN NICHES THAT'S FIRST THING EAST-WEST WALKWAY.

AND THEN PHASE FOUR WOULD ESSENTIALLY DEFINE THE NORTH EDGE OF THE WALKWAY. IF YOU BUILT PHASES ONE, TWO, THREE AND FOUR, YOU CREATED SOME REALLY UNIQUE REALLY SPECIAL MOMENTS. AND THEN PHASES 5, 6, 7 SIMPLY FINISH OUT THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE GARDEN.

>> THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 1,680 WALL NICHES.

168 MEMORIAL PLAQUES. YOU HAVE 180 WALL EITHER INGROUND OR 18-INCH ONES. 12 CREMATION BENCHES FROM THE CURRENT ONE. AND 22 STANDARD BENCHES.

THAT COULD BE MEMORIAL OPPORTUNITIES.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER EXAMPLE PHOTOGRAPHS WE CAN PUT IN WHAT OTHER CEMETERIES HAVE DONE TO GET THIS VARIETY.

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SO SAL AND SCOTT I WONDER IF ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR THAT I MAY I HAVE OVERLOOKED THAT 94 OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.

COMMENTS. CONCERNS.

>> JUST GO AHEAD AND DON'T WAIT FOR ME.

I CAN'T SEE YOU. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? [INAUDIBLE] WILL YOU BE REVIEWING THE ESTIMATED -- IS THAT WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT THE ESTIMATED COST?

>> WILL THAT BE PART OF THE PRESENTATION OR IS THIS JUST THE

OVERALL -- >> IT WOULD BE HAPPY TO GO ON WITH THE COST. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO KEEP GOING.

>> SURE. >> IT'S ALWAYS THE QUESTION.

IF WE LIKE IT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.

THAT'S WHERE WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR PROCESS.

THIS THE FOR EVERYTHING. INCLUDING HARDSCAPE, THE LANDSCAPE, THE BENCH. THE SITE PREP.

THE CONTRACTOR OVERLAY. ALL OF THOSE ITEMS WE GET ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 1.4 MILLION. THIS WOULD BE FOR EVERYTHING.

AND THEN PHASE ONE WE WERE LOOKING AT WE STARTED BREAKING THIS OUT. PHASE ONE IS ABOUT 290,000 PHASE. AND THEN AS WE START PROJECTING OUT WE ESTIMATED YEARS THAT SOME OF THESE MIGHT BE BUILT.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL SEEING THAT PRICING IS GOING UP BETWEEN 2 TO 5% VARYING PER YEAR.

WE START PROJECTED THAT OUT. IT CERTAINLY MAKES SOME COST IMPACT. PHASE 2 LOOKING AT 2023 AND WE BASICALLY ASKED TWO YEARS FOR THE PHASES.

JUST AS A PLACE TO START. PHASE 2 WHICH IS FINISHING THE EAST-WEST ACCESS, 460,000. PHASE 3 WHICH IS THE SOUTH GARDEN NICHE AREA, 260,000. THIS IS THE NORTH GARDEN NICHE AREA AT THE TOP BY THE PHASE FOUR.

280. EACH OF THE ONES ON THE EAST 5, 6 AND 7. BY THE WAY YOU CAN SEE WE BUILD THE SAME ON THESE THREE. YOU CAN SEE WHAT TWO YEARS DELAY CREATES JUST IN TERMS O OF COST. IF YOU BUILD PHASE FIVE THE FIRST OF THE EASTERN WALL IN 2013 ESTIMATE 144,000.

THERE'S A RISE IN TERMS O OF THAT.

WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF WE TALKED THROUGH THE BEGINNING PORTION OF THAT CERTAINLY MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO THE CONVERSATION.

>> YES. >> WHAT WE DID WE WENT THROUGH WE SAID OKAY 1,872 NITCHES OR UNIT.

THE CAST PER NICHE IS $740. THE CITY NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE $740 TO COVER THE COST FOR CONSTRUCTION.

GOES BACK TO ME LOOK AT H BEING P100-YEAR 200 YEAR TYPE OF LANDSCAPE. WHAT WE DID WE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF O PRICE POINTS AND IF THE CITY CHARGES 1,000 PER NICHE, YOU WOULD BE NET POSITIVE ON THE PROJECT.

TO TUNE OF ABOUT HALF A MILL. IF YOU USE THE CURRENT CITY RESIDENT RATE, YOU'RE NET POSITIVE TO TUNE OVER JUST OVER A MILLION. IF YOU USE THE CURRENT BREAK

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THEY HAD IT ON THEIR WEB SITE. 2000 PER NICHE.

IT WOULD BE 2.36 MILLION THAT COULD GO IN PERPETUAL CARE.

NOW WE TALK ABOUT CREATING FUNDS THAT IS STARTING TO LOOK VERY MUCH FORWARD ON THE LONG-TERM COST.

THERE'S A CATHOLIC CHURCH IN GAINESVILLE CHARGING 3,000.

NOT RECOMMENDING THAT. JUST PROVIDING INFORMATION TO THE CITY. YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THAT 4.2 MILLION PERPETUAL CARE FUND IS CERTAINLY DO FOR THE LONG-TERM

BENEFIT. >> WHEN I FIRST STARTED DESIGNING COLUMBARIA, I GOT INTO THE BUSINESS OF CEMETERIES.

YOU LOOK AT THE BUSINESS OF CEMETERIES, YOUR INVENTORY IS DIRT. AS SAL MENTION WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO BEING BUILT OUT. GRAVES TAKE A LOT OF SPACE.

THEY ARE LARGER THAN A TRADITIONAL BURIER.

CREMATION DON'T TYPICALLY LESS EXPENSIVE.

THEY TAKE LESS SPACE. THERE'S MORE DOLLARS PER SQUARE FOOT THAT END UP COMING INTO THE CEMETERY TYPICALLY.

AND THAT ALLOWS FOR FOR DOLLARS THAT GO INTO THE POT.

THEY'VE BEEN SHIFTING O OVER TO LARGER PORTION OF BURIAL BEING CREMATIONS. JUST BECAUSE IT MAXIMIZES THE USE O OF LAND AND THE DOLLARS COMING INTO THAT.

>> ONE COMMENT I DO HAVE. THE 488,000 IS WHEN IT'S COMPLETELY BUILT OUT; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

THIS SCENARIO LOOKING AT THE FULL BU BUILD OUT.

IF YOU BUILD ALL OF 1,872. WHERE DOES THAT PUT YOU.

THE COST MODEL MORE INVOLVED. IT COMES DOWN WHERE DOES THE CITY SET THE RATE VERSES WHAT THE STATE DOES.

THIS IS BUILT TO BE DYNAMIC. THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT TOGETHER WITH YOU ALL. THIS IS THE FIRST HALF OF LET'S SAY -- FROM JUST IN TERMS OF GLOBAL IDEA.

AND IT DOES APPEAR YOU ARE IN TERMS OF -- EVEN IF YOU WERE TO DO IT AT MUCH REDUCED RATE WHICH WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING.

THE FACT THAT LIKE YOU WOULD BE RIGHT SIDE.

I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING SMART AND LET ME GO BACK TO THIS FOR A MOMENT ABOUT MAKING STEP-BY-STEP APPROACH.

THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO INVEST 1.4 MILLION DOLLARS BEFORE YOU START HAVING POSITIVE CASH FLOW.

YOU CAN BUILD PHASE ONE WHICH INCLUDE RELOCATING NASSAU.

THE FACT THAT YOU CAN GO ON ESSENTIALLY PROVIDE CAPACITY PROVIDE BURIAL OPPORTUNITIES ESSENTIALLY NOW AND FIRST OF ALL IT ALLOWS THE COMMUNITY TO START INTERACTING.

HOPEFULLY THIS GETS TO POINT WHERE IT'S BRINGING IN ENOUGH DOLLARS THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO USE THE DOLLARS THAT ARE ALREADY WITHIN THE SYSTEM TO ADD THOSE OTHER PHASES.

THEN YOU SET ASIDE DOLLARS. >> IF I COULD ASK ANOTHER QUESTION.

>> IT JUST SO I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THE CITY NOT PLANNING TO GET WE PAY THE MONEY. IF THEY DID PHASE ONE.

THE 287,000. SO YOU WOULDN'T BE QUOTE PAID BACK TO THE CITY TO MAKE MONEY. YOU WOULD GET OUT OF THE 287,000

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THEY WOULD KEEP THAT IN THE TRUST FUND.

THERE'S NO PAYING BACK. I'M NOT SURE IF MR. MARQUEE UNDERSTAND THAT WE AREN'T PAYING THE MONEY BACK.

IT'S COMING FROM THE IMPACT FEE FUND.

>> WHATEVER MONEY IS MADE OFF OF THOSE NICHES WILL GO TO TRUST FUND. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> IT WILL BE SPLIT LIKE A GRAVESITE.

IS THAT HOW YOU PLAN ON THAT STUFF?

>> OKAY. WHAT IS -- WHAT IS THE QUOTE REVENUE AND WHAT'S TOWARD PERPETUAL CURE?

>> WHEN WE SELL A NORMAL GRAVE WE WOULD SELL OO CITY RESIDENT 1300. 65% OF THAT MONEY GOES TO THE SALE ACTUAL SALE AND 35% OF THE MONEY GOES INTO THE PERPETUAL

CARE FUND. >> OKAY.

AS THE NICHES CONTINUE TO SELL MONEY.

35% AND THAT NUMBER CAN ALWAYS BE TWEAKED.

35% GO INTO THE PER PET WAIL CARE FUND OF SAMETER.

WHERE DOES THE REVENUE GO. IT GOES INTO THE CEMETERY ACCOUNT. AND THAT IS FOR CARE.

WHAT IS THAT FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT OR -- IT'S BASICALLY TO FUND YOU KNOW CUTTING THE GRASS.

PAYING FOR -- THERE'S TWO FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES OUT THERE.

MONEY FOR CUTTING NOT CUTTING DOWN TREE BUT PRUNING TREES.

ELECTRICITY. WATER.

>> WHAT IS PERPETUAL CARE PAY FOR?

>> >> NOTHING CAN'T BE TOUCHED

UNTIL THE LAST LOT IS SOLD. >> AS EVERY LOT THAT WE WOULD SELL THIS MONEY GOES INTO PERPETUAL CARE.

THEN IN TURN ONCE EVERYTHING IS DONE SELLING THAT MONEY IS USED TO THEN HELP CUT GRASS AND PAY FOR.

OTHERWISE THEN THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE MONEY FROM THE

GENERAL FUND -- >> WHICH IT DOES.

THE GENERAL FUND HAD TO HELP ON OCCASION.

>> THIS WOULD CONTINUE TO HELP WITH THE PERPETUAL CARE BRINGING IN MONEY TO EVENTUALLY WHEN IT FULL CAPACITY TO HELP PAY FOR

THIS CITY TO MAINTAIN IT. >>

>> DEED TRANSFER FEE? AND THERE ARE ALL THESE BURIAL MONUMENT PERMIT. WILL WE KEY THOSE WITH THE NICHES. HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A MONUMENT FEE WITH THE NICHE.

BUT THE DEED TRANSFER ALL THOSE FEES WOULD APPLY.

>> IT WOULD BE TREATED JUST LIKE THE CURRENT OPERATION.

>> OKAY. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

IF THE FIRST PHASE WERE TO BEGIN, NITCH LULL IMPACT FEE FROM WHAT I SEE IS 185 -- IS 85,000.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S WHAT IN THE BUDGET.

>> THAT'S WHAT'S IN THIS CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET.

I -- CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET. WHERE DOES THE REMAINING 200,000 SOME DOLLARS COME FOR YOU TO BUILD THAT? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET MONEY FROM THINGS YOU HAVEN'T BUILT AND

SOLD YET? >> NEXT YEAR THERE'S ANOTHER -- THIS ISN'T GOING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FULLY.

NEXT YEAR THERE'S 85,000 BUDGETED, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU DO THE MATH. I DOESN'T ADD UP.

WE WOULD WORK RESTORATION FOUNDATION TRYING TO GET YOU KNOW BRING IN MONEY THAT WAY AS WELL.

>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET CLOSE TO THAT.

NO WAY TO KNOW HOW FAST YOU WILL SELL OUT.

THE PROJECT. >> IT THOSE BE FUNDED SOMEHOW.

85 GRAND EVEN OVER TWO E YEARS DOESN'T GET YOU THERE.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> HOW COULD YOU BUILD PHASE ONE

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MUCH LESS PHASE TWO? >> THE COMMISSION CAN HELP AS THEY SEE FIT WHETHER THEY APPROVE THE PLAN, THE FUNDING I THINK WILL BE INTERNAL THING FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO DETERMINE IF THEY WANT TO FUND THIS. OR OR NOT.

>> PHASE 2460,000. WE HAVE BUDGETED 85,000.

I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S AN INVESTMENT PRIOR TO BEING ABLE TO RECAPTURE THAT INVESTMENT. DOESN'T MEAN YOU WILL NOT GET IT BACK AFTER YOU SALE. IF IT'S NOT PAID OUT OF IMPACT FEES THE MONEY HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE TO PAY FOR THIS.

>> ANOTHER QUESTION. HOW MANY LOTS ARE LEFT IN THE

CEMETERY FOR SALE? >> IT CHANGES ON A DAILY BASIS.

BECAUSE WE BUY BACK LOTS. AND THEN WE LOTS.

AND WE'VE BEEN PURCHASING QUITE A FEW LOTS LATELY WHERE PEOPLE HAVE MOVED AWAY OR THEY WERE PURCHASED BY FAMILY THAT WILL NOT BE USING THIS LOT. WE TAKE -- WE HAVE FIRST RIGHT OF O REFUSAL. THEY HAVE TO COME TO US FIRST.

>> I DO THINK WHAT -- I THINK FIVE IS 7 -- IF YOU DISAGREE.

I THINK 5 TO 7 YEARS IS NOT -- IS A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER ON -- THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVING HERE.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE BUYING IN THERE.

5 TO 7 YEAR A GOOD NUMBER WHEN IT COULD BE FULL.

THEY HAVE THE TREE LOTS FOR CREMATION.

HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> SAME AS THE CEMETERY PLOT.

>> IT'S ALL SURVEYED OUT. THERE ARE TREES THAT SIT ON SOME EXISTING GRAVESITES. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH AND DETERMINED THAT THERE COULDN'T BE TRADITIONAL BURIAL ON THERE.

LIKE HALF OF THAT LOT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE.

THIS GIVING THE INDIVIDUAL AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT CREMATION IN

GROUND IN A TREE LOT. >> THAT'S GOOD.

>> WE GOT MOST OF THIS. I HAVE A NOTE FROM AMELIA TREE CONSERVANCE OF NO MATURE TREE BEING REMOVED OR HARMED.

AND THE COLUMBARIA DESIGN NOT DOMINATING.

I'M SATISFIED THAT ALL THE GOALS ARE MET.

I DO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO OCTOBER 2018 REPORT BY WHICH DAVID HOLLY ABOUT THE SURVEY OF TREE.

I THINK JUST BEFORE YOU ABSOLUTELY PUT ALL PLANS IN PLACE. PERHAPS THOSE THREE INDIVIDUALS COULD TAKE A LOOK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> BY THE WAY. I WOULD LOVE TO MENTION.

FREMONT ARE CERTIFIED ARBOUREST AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.

IF YOU ALL KNOW WHO ED GILMAN. HE'S KIND OF HORBI CULTURE.

HE LOOK INDUSTRY STRUCTURE AND BRACING AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

I THINK IT'S FUNNY HE GETS PAY TO BLOW DOWN TREES.

MY POINT THAT WE LOW TREES AT FIRM.

WE PARTICULARLY LOVE YOUR TREES. YOU HAVE AN AMAZING TREE CANOPY.

ADMIT ONLY FREMONT NOT GUIDE YOU AWAY FROM PROTECTING CANOPY.

IN ADDITION THERE'S ANOTHER CERTIFY ARBOUREST.

WE PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS.

THAT WE BELIEVE IN HAVING GOOD TREE CANOPY PARTICULARLY URNAN

TREE CANOPY. >> I DID THE TREE INVENTORY FOR

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ABOUT THE MATERIALS. >> SURE.

>> I THINK I MIGHT HAVE SENT THIS IN E-MAIL BEFORE.

ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN OLD CEMETERY.

WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DESIGN I WONDER IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO USE MORE STONE THAT GOING TO GET THAT WEATHERED WHETHER THEY CAN HANDLE THE MOSS THE COVERING.

THE EVENTUAL FLORIDA MOLD THAT WILL GROW UNDER A SHADED TREE CANOPY IN LIEU AS MUCH BRICK OR THE MAYBE USING RECLAIMED BRICK SO YOU DON'T GET BRIGHT SHINY NEW LOOK IN AN OLD CEMETERY.

>> AMEN. I AGREE WITH YOU.

TUMBLED BRICK PATHWAY. THAT ACTUALLY MAY HAVE BEEN WHERE WE WROTE IN BECAUSE OF YOUR QUESTION.

BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT FOR PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY WHERE YOU CAN CONTROL THE AMOUNT OF BASE UNDERNEATH.

THE COOL THING ABOUT RECLAIMED IT HAS HISTORY.

OUR THING ABOUT RECLAIMED. IT'S HORRIBLE STREET BRICK BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT THICKNESSES.

IT'S WONDERFUL PEDESTRIAN BRICK BECAUSE YOU CAN CONTROL THAT.

I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT RECLAIMED BRICK WOULD BE A LOVELY IDEA FOR THE PATH WAY. THE ACTUAL WALL WILL WANT TO GO WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CONTROLLED UNIT BRICK.

BUT THERE'S ABOUT 200 BRICK SPECIFICATIONS THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH ON JUST THE RIGHT BRICK. AND THERE'S A DIFFERENT BETWEEN COMPRESSED BRICK AND A WIRE CUT BRICK.

I THINK WHAT YOU MAY BE PREFERENCING THAT WIRE CUT ALMOST SHINY THAT YOU WILL SEE ON THE BRICK.

AND WHAT I THINK REALLY MORE LOOKING FOR MORE TRADITIONAL OR OLD SCHOOL FORM OF BRICK MAKING. THE GREAT THING ABOUT BRICK AND STONE FOR THAT MATTER, BUT I JUST THINK THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE BRICK AND THE PLACE IT GIVES YOU.

IT LOOKS GREAT WITH WITHOUT KTINA ON.

YOU TAKE POWER WASHER TO IT. IT CLEANS IT.

THEN YOU GO THROUGH EVOLUTION. THERE WAS GRANITE PLANS.

AND THE ONLY PIECE ABOUT GRANITE IS THAT IT TENDS TO BE UBIQUITOUS CEMETERY. WHICH GOOD THING ABOUT THAT.

THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY FEEL LIKE THAT'S PART OF OUR SUGGESTION. CAN WE BRING THAT IN AND THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT ALSO THE WARMTH AND THE TOP OF THOSE BRONZE NICHE PLATES THAT COMBINED WITH BRICK IS REALLY A LOVE I WILL FEATURE. THAT'S A LONG ANSWER TO YOUR

QUESTION. >> YEAH.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THIS WAS GOOD.

>> WOULD THIS PROJECT GO BEFORE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT?

COMMITTEE? >> THIS SECTION OF THE CEMETERY ISN'T IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT WOULD NOT.

BUT YOU KNOW OUR ORIGINAL DISCUSSION WE HAD A MEMBER OF

THE HDC TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS OUR HOUSE IN HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND WHEN WE PUT DOWN DRIVEWAY WE HAD TO USE HISTORIC BRICKS. WE ACTUALLY WENT AND BOUGHT HISTORIC BRICKS. YOU KNOW, YOU HAD HAVE IT ALL CLAIMED. BUT IT WAS HISTORIC.

THERE'S A SENSITIVITY TO THE BRICK.

IT DOESN'T LOOK NEW GENERALLY WHEN IT'S DONE TO HISTORIC STANDARDS. WE ALSO DID THE WALKWAYS AND THOSE THINGS. IT DOES GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF

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AND WITH THE TREES, IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG.

LET ME TELL YOU HOW LONG IT TAKE FOR THE TREE TO TAKE CARE OF

YOUR BRICKS. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTION ABOUT THE NICHES THEMSELVES. ARE THEY A STANDARD SIZE?

? >> YES.

>> THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.

THEY ARE A 12-INCH BY-12-INCH STANDARD NICHE WHICH IS LARGE NUMBER FOR SINGLE OR DOUBLE. WE COULD EASILY ACCOMMODATE MORE OF FAMILY NICHE WHERE IT COULD BE TWO OR THREE PANELS TOGETHER.

THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES BUT RIGHT NOW THEY ARE ALL STANDARDIZED.

ONCE WE UNDERSTAND THE MARKET BETTER.

BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THERE'S A QUESTION BEHIND THE QUESTION CAN

THERE BE DOUBLES? >> YES.

>> AND ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE THE NEW THING NOW IS THE GREEN CREMATION WHERE THEY USE ALKALINE HYDROLYSIS WHERE IT'S WATER. THOSE TEND TO BE LARGER CONTAINERS. AND I KNOW THEY HAVE LEGALIZED THOSE IN FLORIDA NOW. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY

NICHES MEANT FOR THAT SIZE? >> NO.

IT'S A WONDERFUL QUESTION. I THINK WE SHOULD DESIGN SOME OF THESE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE. THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE PRICE POINT. YOU PAY A LITTLE BIT EXTRA.

BECAUSE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE SPOTS.

IF YOU ARE ALREADY MAKING THOSE KIND OF DECISIONS TO GO IN AND DIRECTION. THAT IT'S SOMETHING WHERE YOU ARE -- YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING BOTH THE GOOD AND THE BAD OF DOING THAT. THE BAD THEY PUT MORE ROOM.

THE THING ABOUT THE WALL IT GIVES A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.

WE GROUP THEM TOGETHER. THE GRID WILL ABSORB IS VARIETY

OF SIZES. >> WE ALSO WILL HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH THE IN-GROUND VAULTS.

>> OH YEAH. THERE'S A VAULT BURIED UNDERNEATH EACH STONE. THOSE ARE LARGER.

THOSE ARE ACCOMMODATING TO SINGLE LARGER OR MARKERS NEXT TO

EACH OTHER. >> I HAVE ONE FOR QUESTION.

ONE O OF THEM WHO HAS THE BEST MARKING PLAN IN FLORIDA?

FOR CREMATIONS? >> THE BEST MARKETING PLAN?

>> CLOSE TO YOU ALL. EVERGREEN IN JACKSONVILLE HAS QUITE A NICE CREMATION COLUMBARIA PROGRAM.

THERE'S SOME THAT ARE IN PENSACOLA AREA, THERE'S A NUMBER OF GOOD ONES. I KNOW THAT EVER GREEN IN PARTICULAR IN JACKSONVILLE HAS PRETTY GOOD ROBUST PROGRAM.

>> THANK YOU. >> I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS ABOUT FINANCIALS AS WELL AS DESIGN.

>> SURE. >> FIRST IN THE TERROR OF TRANSPARENCY. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT WORKED ON THIS PLAN PACK IN PROBABLY 2013.

IST ASKED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHEN SHE'S AT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DEVELOP A PLAN FOR THIS.

>> I KNOW ADRIAN. >> I AM SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH THIS. I WAS ALSO INVOLVED WITH THE COLUMBARIA GROUP IN THE SHARER AND MET WITH THEM AND WE LOOKED AT COLUMBARIAS AT THE ONLY ANY PLANTATION AND I DO HAVE SOME FAMILIARITY WITH THAT. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT.

JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING HERE.

IN THE COLUMBARIA INVENTORY THE NUMBER OF ELEMENTS OR UNITS WHAT

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DO I NOT UNDERSTAND THAT DISCREPANCY.

>> LET ME SEE WHAT I CONCLUDED WHEN I CAME 1872.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAD INCLUDED THE 1680 COLUMBARIA. WE INCLUDED THE INGROUND VAULT.

WE INCLUDED THE CREMATION BENCHES.

WE DIDN'T INCLUDED LET ME GO BACK OVER TO THE OTHER DOCUMENT

WAS THE MEMORIAL BOX. >> OKAY.

>> YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. WE WERE LOOKING ON THE ESTIMATE AND THE INCOME JUST WHAT THE BURIAL INCOME, IF YOU WILL BE.

NOT THE MEMORIAL INCOME. THAT'S I THINK GOOD POINT THAT THERE'S ALSO POTENTIA INCOME STREAM, BECAUSE A LOT OF FAMILIES MAY HAVE YOU KNOW -- MIGHT HAVE OTHER WAYS THAT THEY DEAL WITH THE REMAINS FOR INSTANCE AT THEIR HOME.

BUT THEY WANT TO HAVE MAYBE A PLAT IN THE CEMETERY.

GREAT POINT. THANKS FOR CLARIFICATION.

>> WITH THE ADDITIONAL 168 MEMORIAL PLATS THEN HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO COST PER NICHE, I GUESS? DOES THIS CHANGE THE OVERALL COST INSTEAD OF BEING 1 MILLION, 383,000 INSTEAD OF 1 MILLION 524,000.

YEAH RIGHT. MEMORIAL PLAT WE HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM. WE DIDN'T BUILT THE COST OR THE INCOME STREAM FOR THE MEMORIAL PLAT.

>> OKAY. >> THE PLAQUE ITSELF $30 PLAQUE.

WE DO VENT THAT BUILT IN. SELL $30 FOR 100 OR 200 DONATION. THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY A SIDE PIECE THAT WE UNDERSTOOD THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST IN BRINGING THAT IN. THAT'S SOMETHING IN THE EARLIER ONE THE 2013 EXAMPLE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

IS THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE UNDERSTOODS IMPORTANT TO COMMUNITY WAS TO HAVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FAMILIES TO HONOR THEIR LOVED ONE EVEN IF THEIR MAINS AREN'T LIT RALY IN THE -- LITERALLY IN THE CEMETERY.

>> I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT HOW BACK IN THE 2013 OR WHEN IT EVER IT WAS WHICH HAD 300 UNITS OR NICHES.

HOW IT WENT FROM THERE TO THE 1,872.

THAT'S A HUGE CHANGE IN THE THINKING ABOUT THIS.

I WONDER WHERE THAT CAME FROM? >> GREAT QUESTION.

THE ORIGINAL SIZE LIMITS QUITE SIMILAR TO THE PRIVATE NICHES.

THEY WERE PRETTY CLOSE. WE'RE WITHIN THE SAME BALLPARK.

IT WAS THE EASTERN PORTION. WE HAD 360.

HERE. SIMILAR TO ORIGINAL PLAN.

LOOKING THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR DEFINING THAT AS GARDEN AND USING ADDITIONAL NICHES TO CREATE THAT.

THAT'S WHERE THE REST OF THE INVENTORY CAME FROM.

>> WAS THE -- WERE YOU GIVEN A DESIGN BRIEF OF SOME KIND THAT GAVE YOU A NUMBER OF ELEMENTS TO INCLUDE? HOW DID THAT KIND OF -- OTHER THAN THE DESIGN PROCESS EVOLVE

FOR THAT? >> SURE.

GREAT QUESTION. WE WERE PROVIDED THE ORIGINAL ONE. OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THEY THE ORIGINAL GOAL WAS TO GET ABOUT 300.

AND SO WHAT WE HAD DEVELOPED WERE THESE TWO INITIAL CONCEPTS GOING ALL RIGHT. WELL WE COULD EITHER DO THIS

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OR WE COULD COME IN AND REALLY EITHER OF THESE TWO END PLOT GET US ABOUT SAY THE SAME.

IT WAS REALLY LOOKING AT THE OPPORTUNITY AND ALSO WITH THE SITE WAS TELLING US. MAYBE SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE COULD BRING BACK TO YOU ALL AS FURTHER CONFERENCE.

THAT'S WHERE THIS EINVOLVED CONCEPT CERTAINLY LOOKING AT IT BEING PHASED. BUT WHICH START AS WE SEE IT WITH THAT APPROXIMATELY 300 NICHE HAT YOU ALL WERE ORIGINALLY WORKING WITH. AND THEN YOU CAN EXPAND FOR THE INGROUND AND CREMATION BENCHES. AND THEN IT'S NOT TAKING AWAY THE FUTURE ABILITY FOR THE COMMUNITY COME BACK AND WITH WITHIN THE SAME GENERAL AREA DEVELOPED ADDITIONAL CREMATION INVENTORY FOR CHANGES. IT'S ALL WITHIN THE SAME PORTION

OF BOSQUE BELLO. >> OKAY.

SO THE AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT, THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH

EXPANSION OR SIZE. >> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

>> JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW IT EVOLVED.

THE DID YOU RECEIVE -- DID YOU GET DESIGN BRIEF FROM THE CITY?

>> ABOUT THIS. WE GO AN OVERVIEW OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN. PUT TOGETHER.

WE GOT -- WE WERE PROVIDED A SET OF THE PLANS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO STUDY. THEN WORKING WITH THE FRIENDS OF BOSQUE BELLO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THEIR INPUT.

THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY TO GET THE PARKS AND RECREATION

ADVISORY COMMITTEE INPUT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION WHICH I THINK THE DIRECTED MAYBE TO NAN OR SAL.

IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY HOW IT WILL TAKE TO SALE THE YEARS.

TEN YEAR, 50 YEARS, 100 YEARS? >> THERE'S NOT A DEFINITIVE TIME. THE FRIENDS GROUP SINCE THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF INTEREST.

AND WE WILL BE PUTTING TOGETHER A WAIT LIST.

>> HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE ON THAT WE DON'T KNOW YET.

WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF INTEREST. AS FAR AS YEAR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL BE. FRIENDS GROUP WILL TRY MARKETING CAMPAIGN TO HELP SELL THE NICHES AND ALSO SOLICIT DONATION TO HELP WITH THE COST. TO ME THAT'S A PIECE OF THE PUZZLE. I UNDERSTAND THE FUNDING AND THE ASPECT OF HAVING TO CHARGE FOR ALL OF THIS.

HOW LONG THIS STAYS ON THE BOOKS?

TO ME THAT'S A CRITICAL FACTOR. >> BY THE WAY, IF I COULD JUST SUGGEST THAT AS FAR AS THE PHASING WE ACTUALLY DO QUITE A BIT OF PUBLIC WORK AND ONE OF OUR MONTRAS AND WE HAD A GOOD AMOUNT OF STEPS WITH THIS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE SUGGEST A PHASED IMPLEMENTATION THAT EACH PHASE THE COMPLETE AND IN AND GOES, ALL RIGHT WE WANT - TO BUILD PHASE ONE.

PHASE ONE GETS BUILT AND THE COMMUNITY STARTS TO GO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WE DON'T WANT PHASE ONE TO FEEL LIKE I DIDN'T GET RESOLVED. EVEN IF IT LOVE I WILL ART THAT SETS UP THE ENTRANCE, WALKWAY, YOU HAVE THIS LOVE I WILL SPACE AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ROADWAY COMING HERE.

IF THE COMMUNITY COMES BACK AND SAID WE PREFER TO GO INGROUND.

OKAY. THERE YOU GO.

INGROUND BURIALS. AND YOU JUST EXPAND IT.

IN THE SAME CASE MAYBE IF THE LIST GETS FINISHED AND THEN THIS WALKWAY GETS PUT IN. THAT'S PROBABLY ENOUGH CAPACITY.

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WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GUIDED.

YOU DON'T WANT TO FEEL LIKE IT WAS HALF DONE.

IF THEY WOULD HAVE FINISHED THE EXERCISE IT LOOKED COOL.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERY STEP OF THE WAY IT FEELS LIKE A

COMPLETE THOUGHT. >> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ALONG THOSE LINES. BASED ON BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE WILL HOLD. HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION OF IN THE FIRST PHASE OR INCORPORATING SOME OF THOSE OTHER OPTIONS TO SEE HOW THE MARKET FAIRS.

>> A COUPLE OF -- SOME OTHER MAYBE YOU FIND OUT THERE'S A MARKET FOR SOMETHING THAT SOLD -- THAT MIGHT GUIDE TO THE NEXT PHASE OVER THE YEAR. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD LOOK. I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPPORTUNITIES. THE SHORT ANSWER WAS NO.

BUT THE LONGER ANSWER THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE COULDN'T.

>> OKAY. >> FOR INSTANCE, WE COULD DO MAYBE THAT SECTION SOME INGROUND NICHES.

AND THAT YOU WOULD COME HERE AND EXTEND BRICK WALKWAY.

ANOTHER OPTION THAT YOU BUILD THE HORSESHOE.

AND YOU BUILD EITHER HALF OR FOR THAT MATTER ALL OF THAT WALKWAY.

>> YOU HAVE THAT EXAMPLE. AND MAYBE THE OTHER HALF OF THAT COMES LATER. FAMILIES WILL TELL US WHAT THEY WILL. AND WILL TELL US WHAT THEY ARE PAYING. WITH THEIR WALLET.

THIS THE EXACT PLACE THAT YOU KNOW, COUPLE DECIDES -- THIS WHERE WE WANT TO BE. WE WANT TO UNDER THIS RE.

RIGHT, RIGHT. GIVE THEM THAT FLEXIBILITY.

>> THE POINT YOU MADE EARLIER. SOMEONE MIGHT CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE REMAIN. THEY WANT SOME REMEMBRANCE OF THEIR LIFE HERE AND BUY A PLAQUE.

I WAS JUST. YOU MENTIONED HOW ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN AS THE PHASE MOVE FORWARD.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANY CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT. >> SURE.

GOOD POINT. >> I WANTED TO SAY I COMMEND YOU ON THE GREAT ELEGANCE AND BEAUTY.

ONE THING BEAUTIFUL OF THE BENCH MADE OF GRANITE AND OR STONE.

AND THEY COULD BE USED TO POSSIBLY FOR REMAINS OR PLAQUE.

THE PICTURE OF BOTH IN THIS PRESENTATION AND LAST MONTH OF O A REGULAR WOODEN BENCH. THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WOULD BE AMIDST. TO ME I DON'T GET THESE BENCHES.

I'M LOOKING STONE GRANITE ALL THE WAY, BABY.

>> SURE. >> THIS IS WHERE WE SEE IT POTENTIALLY MAY MORE MEMORIAL OPPORTUNITY.

BUT FOR INSTANCE, THE WOOD OUT THERE THERE'S LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE. TO YOUR POINT, ONE OF THE BEST THINGS ABOUT STONE AND BRICK MASONRY IN GENERAL, YOU CAN COME OUT WITH POWER WASHER EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ROT.

I THINK YOU BRING UP A VALUE I POINT.

EN THINGS LIKE POWER COATED MEDAL THERE'S STILL MAINTENANCE.

WROUGHT IRON EXAMPLES. A LOT OF IS FALLING APART.

THERE'S A LOVELY LITTLE POST THAT I THINK IS JUST FANTASTIC.

YOU BRING UP A VALID POINT THAT IT CERTAINLY EITHER WANT TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN STONE OR BRICK OR SOMETHINGS OF THAT NATURE OR IF

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MAY HAVE NOT HAVE SAME STIPULATION YOU BUY MEMORIAL AND IT'S THERE FOREVER AND EVER. IF IT'S MORE TRANSIENT MATERIAL.

I DIGRESS. >> GOOD POINT.

>> CAN I CHIME IN REAL QUICKLY. >> JUST SO YOU KNOW IN OUR CEMETERY CODE, THERE'S SPECIFIC MATERIALS THAT ARE PERMITTED.

AND WOULD IT'S BASICALLY SLATE. MARBLE, GRANITE.

WE DON'T PERMIT AT THIS TIME. ANY TYPE OF IRON OR WOOD.

SO I THINK WE'RE SAFE FOR NOW WITH THAT.

UNLESS THE CODE CHANGES. >> I THINK NICELY WITH THE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD. LET'S STICK WITH HEAVY LONG-TERM

STOUT MATERIAL. >> VERY GOOD POINT.

>> ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS OR I HAVE A COUPLE OF MORE.

GOING BACK TO FNL PART OF THIS. THE ASUM SHN ALL ALONG I GUESS THAT WOULD BE FUNDED THROUGH PARKS AND REC IMPACT FEES.

THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A PROFIT MAKING VENTURE.

IS THAT AN APPROPRIATE USE OF PARKS AND REC IMPACT FEES? CAN YOU USE PARK AND REC IMPACT FEES FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

>> YES. >> IT SAID NOT A TRADITIONAL PARK. THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED.

WHETHER OR NOT IMPACT FEE COULD BE USED FOR THIS TYPE OF THING I BELIEVE THE CITY ATTORNEY THE ONE THAT INTERPRETED THE COMMUNITY. I BELIEVE THEY ARE AWARE OF WHAT THIS IS AND HOW THE MONEY WILL BE USED AND FOR WHAT.

>> RIGHT. OKAY.

THE QUESTION IS OF COURSE BECAUSE THERE'S THE PARKS AND REC IMPACT FEE FUND HAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY AND IT CONTINUES TO GROW. BUT AT SOME POINT IT WILL START TO DECLINE. THAT POT OF MONEY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT IN TERMS O OF HOW IT GETS SPENT.

THERE'S OTHER PROJECTS THAT THE CITY COMMISSION HAS IDENTIFIED WITH THE HIGHER PRIORITY AND LONGER HISTORY THAN THE COLUMBARIA. LIKE THE WATERFRONT PARK.

IF YOU TAKE OUT 1.# MILLION DOLLARS OVER TIME THAT'S MONEY NOT AVAILABLE FOR THOSE OTHERS KIND OF PROJECTS.

>> AN ALTERNATIVE WAY THE DO THIS BORROW THE MONEY AND THEN PAY BACK THE LOAN OUT OF THE NET WHEN YOU SOLD THE NICHES.

>> COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REGARDING DESIGN.

HOW DOES THE CITY EVALUATE THE DESIGN?

>> HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IT'S A GOOD DESIGN OR NOT?

>> IS THERE ANY COMMITTEE TO EVALUATE THIS?

>> THE FRIENDS OF BOSQUE BELLO HAVE BEEN WORKING THIS.

WE IS BROUGHT MEMBER OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.

YOUR PREVIOUS CHAIR OF THIS BOARD HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT WITH US. IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY GO.

YOU'RE THE BOARD IT WOULD COME. WOULDN'T GO TO ANY OTHER CITY

BOARD. >> RIGHT.

>> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THE MEMBERS OF THOSE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES, DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A BACKGROUND IN DESIGN OR ARCHITECTURE OR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE.

DO YOU FEED TO HAVE AN VAEMENT COMMITTEE THAT PEER REVIEWS THIS. JUST A QUESTION?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE SITE PLAN THIS IS VERY BIG.

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THAT AREA IS NOT UTILIZED IN THIS PLAN.

YET IT'S COMPLETELY OPEN COMPLETELY SHADED AND THAT'S THE AREA THAT WAS ORIGINALLY IDENTIFIED IN THE EARLIER PLANS AS THE MOST APPROPRIATE PLACE TO BUILD THE COLUMBARIA.

I GUESS I'M NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING WHY IT'S NOT BEING UTILIZED. AND INSTEAD YOU GONE NORTH AND SOUTH UP TO BOSQUE BELLO STREET OR WHATEVER IT IS INTO AN AREA THAT HAS VERY FEW TREES AND ALMOST NO SHADE.

IT'S A LONG DISTANCE TO WALK FROM THE SOUTH GARDEN NICHES THE

NORTH GARDEN NICHES. >> SURE.

>> I GUESS I'M WONDERING WHAT WHETHER YOU COULD INSTEAD UTILIZE THAT SPACE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY IDENTIFIED.

AS AND CREATE A BIT MORE COMPACT, MORE INTIMATE DESIGN RATHER THAN SOMETHING SO MUCH MORE SPREAD OUT.

>> I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT LED US TO SHIFTING THAT ELLIPTICAL PORTION TO THE WEST. YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF YOU RESERVATION THE NUMBER OF LOVE I WILL TREE ALONG FROM STRETCH.

YOU DO HAVE OTHERS TO THE WEST HERE.

BUT MY CONCERN WITH ALL THE FOOTERS AND ET CETRA CERTAIN I WILL DON'T WANT TO DESTABILIZE OR HARM THE TREES.

AND THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO ENGAGE WITH THEM.

THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT HELP YOU EXPAND THE AREAS.

IT FELT LIKE WE COULD GET THE SAME AMBIANCE AND TREE COVER BY SHIFTING TO THE WEST THE POINT OF JUST DISCUSSION HERE.

THE OTHER IS THAT WE'VE GOT THE SOUTHERN GARDEN EDGE.

WE'RE STILL TRYING TO ENGAGE WITH TREES.

I WOULD THINK ONE O OF THE AREAS WHERE THE PRIMARILY GOING TO BE PURPOSING NICHES. AND SO VISITING THE COLUMBARIA.

VISITING GRAVESITES FOR THAT MATTER.

TENDS TO BE VERY FOCUSED IN THAT WE ARE COMING TO SEE WHERE OUR GRANDMOTHER WAS BURIED. WHICH IS DIRECTLY HERE.

WE'RE GOING TO COME SEE WHERE THE FAMILIES PLOT IS WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY HERE. AND SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THE WALKING DISTANCE. I WOULDN'T SUGGEST IT'S NONSTARTER. I DON'T THINK THAT WE MAKE INCONVENIENT UNLIKE WE'RE CREATING GROCERY STORE OR LIKE NO ONE EVER HEAR AND BREAD OVER HERE AND OVER HERE WAS JELLY.

IT'S NOT THAT KIND OF A PIECE. I'M NOT SAYING YOU WERE SUGGESTING THAT. THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE SPREAD OUT. WHAT I LIKED ABOUT IT IS FACT THAT WE ARE FULLY KIND OF INCORPORATING THE GEOMETRY AND THE LAYOUT. KIND EXPANSIVENESS OF THE CEMETERY INTO THE DESIGN. I THINK YOU HIT O ON A REALLY GOOD POINT. WHICH IS FACT THAT DESIGN IS VERY PERSONAL SUBJECTIVE KIND OF MOMENT.

THAT WAS FRANKLY POINT -- THERE WOULD BE ADVANTAGE FOR THE COMMUNITY HAVING BOTH A MORE OPEN AND MORE INTIMATE OR PRIVATE AS WE WERE CALLING SOME KIND OF SCENARIO.

DIFFERENT FAMILIES WANT DIFFERENT VIEWS AND DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES. FOR THEIR LOVED ONES.

>> ONE OTHER I GUESS IT'S OUR HOUSEKEEPING THING.

[01:25:06]

>> YES SIR. >> A PORTION OF THAT I SUPERIMPOSED YOUR SCHEMATIC PLAN ON THIS SITE SURVEY.

AND ALSO SPENT SEVERAL HOURS OUT THERE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. PART OF THE GARDEN NICHES NORTH IS SITTING ON TOP OF A NUMBER OF GRAVESITES.

IT'S THE WESTERN END OF IT. WHERE THIS SQUARE IS.

IF YOU EXTEND NORTH FROM THAT PINK SQUARE THERE ARE GRAVESITES

THERE. >> RIGHT IN THERE.

LOTS O OF GRAY SUITS THERE. >> AND YOUR UNIT YOUR GARDEN NICHE NORTH SITS ON TOP OF THAT. ANY WAY.

MAY NEED TO GET PULLED BACK. EARNLY WE WOULD NOT WANT TO ANY GRAVES. IN THE PROCESS.

>> AND HONESTLY WHAT WE MIGHT DO IF WE NARROW UP HERE.

WE MARROW THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH.

SO THAT WE'RE KEEPING KIND OF A CENTRAL ACCESS COMING TO THE

SPACE. >> RIGHT.

>> WE MOVE THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT AND GET MORE DETAILED BEFORE IT HAPPEN INSTEAD. WE WILL UPDATE SURVEY AND GETTING BURIAL SITE DATA. YOU MENTIONED THE TREE SURVEY.

HAD LAST BEEN DONE SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

WE WILL GET UPDATED TREE INFORMATION.

UPDATED GRAVE INFORMATION. MAKING SURE ALL THAT THE TIED UP BEFORE WE GET INTO ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION ON IT.

>> THE ONLY REASON I KIND OF BRING THIS UP THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE DESIGN IS AXIAL IN NATURE, IT'S MUCH HARDER TO MOVE ELEMENTS AROUND TO FIT FORECAST A TREOR GRAVESITE OR WHATEVER.

YOU CAN'T JUST KIND OF FUDGE THAT AND KEEP THE AXIAL LAYOUT.

>> RIGHT. >> OKAY.

IT'S NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT CHANGE BECAUSE IT EFFECTS EVERYTHING

ELSE. >> SURE.

>> THAT'S ALL. >> IT'S PRETTY MUCH RIGHT THAT AT THIS POINT IT'S COMING TO YOU ALL WITH SCHEMATIC.

WITH THE BIG IDEA. THERE'S A LOT OF ADDITIONAL SURVEY WORK THAT IS AHEAD OF US. O OKAY TO PUSH FORWARD IN CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. IT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

>> THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. >> I THINK ONE THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT REGARDING THIS DESIGN IS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IN THE FUTURE. HERE'S THE PLAN.

MANY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD I CAN CONTINUE TO BE PHASED.

YOU CAN PUT A PRE-FAB COLUMBARIA OUT THERE.

AND IT GETS BUILT UP. AND THEN YOU MAY PUT ANOTHER ONE SOMEWHERE ELSE. AT LEAST WE HAVE THE PLAN AND WE CAN BUILD TOWARDS THAT PLAN FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.

>> RIGHT. WHEN YOU MAKE BIG CHANGES TO HISTORIC SITE, YOU SHOULD DO THE LEAST THAT YOU CAN TO IT.

I MEAN IT'S AN IMPORTANT HISTORIC SITE.

AND THIS IS REALLY BIG CHANGE TO IT.

THAT OCCUPIES A LOT OF AREA. AND SO MY NATURAL TENDENCY WOULD BE TO WANT TO HAVE DESIGN AS COMPACT AS IT CAN BUT STILL ALLOW FOR FUTURE EXPANSION. AND I'M NOT SURE THIS DOES THAT.

THIS IS VERY SPREAD OUT. RATHER THAN COMPACT ALLOWING FOR SPREAD LATER. A LOT OF THIS DEPENDS WHERE FUTURE TRENDS GO. I WENT A READ ABOUT BUNCH OF STUFF ON TRENDS. IT'S PRETTY INCREDIBLE WHAT

[01:30:02]

THEN THEY MAKE JEWELRY OUT OF IT NOW.

THEY MAKE -- YOU COULD HAVE 3-D PRINTING WITH YOUR ASHES.

IT'S AMAZING. AND I DON'T YOU KNOW BY THE TIME WE GET EVEN PHASE ONE DONE. IT'S HARD TO TELL IF THESE WILL BE OBSOLETE BY THE TIME YOU GET THERE.

>> THEN YOU ARE STUCK WITH -- STUCK IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD. YOU HAVE THEN PARDON ME JEREMY.

YOU HAVE THEN THE AN OVERALL PLAN THAT WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THAT RATHER THAN. IT'S A QUESTION OF SORT OF THE PHILOSOPHY HOW YOU DESIGN THESE THINGS.

I THINK WE DIFFER ON THAT. THEY HAVE AN OVERALL PLAN.

-- SO. >> I'M NOT SURE WE'RE NECESSARILY FUNDAMENTALLY STARTING FROM DIFFERENT PLACES.

WE MAY BE APPLYING IT DIFFERENTLY.

I AGREE WITH YOU WE WANT TO BE VERY RESPECTFUL OF THE HISTORIC FORMS. AND -- IT'S WONDERFUL HISTORIC SIDE. I THINK THAT THE NICHES THEMSELVES ARE QUITE COMPACT. BUT ONE OF THE PIECES THAT WE HAD SUGGESTED EARLY ON WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS FRIENDS OF BOSQUE BELLO THE LANDSCAPE FEATURE ITSELF OF THE CEMETERY SPECIFICALLY THE LAWN AND -- DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE CLOSED OFF. THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THIS.

THAT YOU KNOW WHILE I LOVE THE NICHE AND IT'S MORE IN KEEPING WITH WHERE THE PREVIOUS DESIGN WAS.

YOU KNOW -- STILL SIGNIFICANT MAPS THERE.

AND THE IDEAS TO ALLOW DEBRIS JUST TO TOUCH AND THIS REALLY IS ABOUT THAT GREEN SPACE. THAT BRINGS IN AND INVITES THE REST OF THE CEMETERY. AND ACTUALLY I THINK THE OVERALL MORE WORK GEOMETRY OF IT AND THE AXIAL FORUMS REALLY MORE RESPECT L AND MORE HISTORIC THAN NECESSARILY.

I WON'T SAY YOU SAY THIS. BUT THE GO PATH THAT ARE CURRENT I WILL CROSSING. I THINK CORRECTING THAT DPEEO MELT TRIBEN IF THERE'S NICHES. I I THAT'S STILL AN IMPORTANT THING TO UPDATE. IT COULD BE THE ENTIRE WALKWAY WITH THE COLUMBARIA. THE STONE BENCHES.

IT COULD BE STONE GARDEN SPACE. I HAVE SUSPICION THAT THE COLUMBARIA MOVEMENT OF DESTRUCTION HAS BEEN CONTINUUALLY MOVING IN THIS -- IS FOR NOW WELL OVER A DECADE. REALLY ALMOST A COUPLE OF DECADES. ALL OUR OTHER CEMETERY CLIENTS ARE SAYING THEY INCREASE NOT DECREASE.

THE 3-D PRINTING. THAT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF THAT. THE WHOLE IDEA PHASING THIS IS THAT WHETHER THAT THE COMMUNITY BUILD OR HONESTLESS ANY JUST PHASE ONE AND TWO. KIND OF SIMILAR IN TERMS OF PROGRAM AS TO WHERE WE ARE. INITIAL GROUP HAS STARTED AND YOU KNOW THIS REALLY NICE WORK. IF THAT'S ALL IT IS.

I DON'T THINK THE -- I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.

I STILL STILL SUGGEST THIS AREA NEED TO BE CORRECTED IN TERMS OF HAVING PATH THROUGH THE ANGLE. THAT COULD BE JUST YOU COULD HAVE NICE LAWN. IT'S REINFORCING THE OVERALL GEOMETRY OF THE CEMETERY. JUST THINKING OUT LOUD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I THINK IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL FOR EVERYBODY. I JUST I DON'T MEAN TO IF YOU HAVE MORE CONVERSATION. BECAUSE YOU TOO SHORT.

I KNOW WE'VE GOT TO BE DONE AND WRAPPED UP BY 5:30 AND WE'RE CLOSE TO TEN AFTER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE FURTHER

[01:35:06]

WE CAN VOTE TO SUPPORT AND APPROVE THE PROPOSAL.

OR YOU KNOW WE NEED TO REVISIT NEXT MONTH YOU KNOW I'M OKAY WITH MAKING A MOTION TO PROPOSAL.

BUT I UNDERSTAND JUST FOR TIME CONSTRAINTS IF THERE'S SOMETHING WANTS TO SEE OR DISCUSS FOR NEXT MONTH TOO.

>> THE LAST THING ON MY LIST, TO ASK ABOUTS TO ASK THAT WE HAVE SPECIAL MEETING THAT MEETS AT BOSQUE BELLO CEMETERY ON SITE SO WE CAN ALL OF THE MEMBERS CAN UNDERSTAND THE SCALE, THE SIZE, AND THE DESIGN ON SITE. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

ARE YOU THINKING WE WOULD DO THAT IN ADDITION TO OR NOT AT OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING CORRECT. BUT A SPECIAL.

>> DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. >> EITHER WAY.

EITHER AS REGULAR MEETING OR AS A SPECIAL MEETING.

>> I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT ALL O OF THE MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC CAN COME IF THEY WANT.

AND WHATEVER. WE'RE SOCIAL DISTANCE AND DO MASKS. THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM OUT THERE.

SO YOU CAN APPRECIATE THE SCALE. BECAUSE IT REALLY IS DIFFICULT TO SEE ON A SCHEMATIC DRAWING TO GET A SENSE OF THE SCALE.

>> ALEXANDER? >> IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THIS FIRM WOULD WORK WHATEVER WE DESIRED AND TAKE THE DESIRES INTO ACCOUNT. MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO VOTE TO APROVE IT. AND THEN WORK THEM IN TERMS OF THE A ACTUAL EXACT DETAILS. THAT THEY WOULD THEN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. BUT TODAY MIGHT BE A GOOD DAY GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT. THAT'S MY LEVEL OF ENTHUSIASM.

>> WHY APPROVE IT IF YOU WILL GO BACK AND SUGGEST POSSIBLE CHANGES? WHY NOT JUST WAIT?

>> I WAS THINKING THE APPROVE THE WORK WITH THIS FIRM.

WITH ANY MODIFICATION TO THE STRUCTURE THAT THEY PROPOSE HERE TO BE DETERMINED. BUT TO COMMIT OURSELVES TO WORK WITH THIS FIRM. THIS FIRM SEEMS LIKE A GREAT FIRM. THEIR VISION SEEMS GREAT TO ME.

THE FRIENDS OF BOSQUE BELLO SEEM TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.

THAT'S ALL. I TEND TO JUMP THE GUN.

JUST ASK MY HUSBAND. >> I ■PERSONALLYWOULD NOT BE SATISFIED UNTIL I HAVE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS WILL

GET FUNDED TO BE BUILT. >> I LIKE AT FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN. THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL DOLLARS FOR THE COLUMBARIA THROUGH THE FIVE-YEAR PLANNING BEING

PRESENTED. >> I WOULD LIKE TO GET BETTER UNDERSTAND FROM THAT. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE FINANCIALS TO JUST JUMP AHEAD AND SAY LET'S DO THIS.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM.

>> I AM ALSO WITH JEAN ON THIS. I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THE FUNDING WILL COME FROM. IF THIS WAS A PLAN THAT WAS WE COULD SAY NEXT YEAR, WITH -- THAT MIGHT WORK.

RIGHT NOW I DON'T SEE WHERE THE FUNDING IS GOING TO COME FROM.

>> IT MAY BE THERE. I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BEFORE I SAY LET'S JUMP AHEAD AND APPROVE SOMETHING THAT FIRST PHASE IS ALMOST 290,000.

>> IF I CAN -- CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES, I CAN.

>> AS YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING YOUR MEETING THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE WORKSHOP DISCUSSING CAPITAL PROJECTS.

AS YOU NOTED THERE'S ONLY PROPOSED FUNDING FOR ONE YEAR AT 85,000 WHICH IS ONLY A THIRD OF WHAT YOU NEED TO FUND PHASE ONE.

AND THE DIFFICULTY ALL OF US ARE HAVING IS NOT KNOWING THE

[01:40:05]

>> SO FOR THE SAKE OF TIME I AM GOING TO MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT SEPTEMBER MEETING.

AND SEE WHERE WE ARE ON THE FINANCES.

IS THAT POSSIBLE? >> I WILL SECOND THAT.

>> OKAY. ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR -- AYE.

OPPOSED? DID YOU GET ALL THAT?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. I'VE LOST SOME FOLKS.

HANG ON JUST A MOMENT HERE. THANK YOU TO OUR PRESENTERS.

>> I THINK YOU ALL HAD VERY GOOD QUESTIONS.

AND I WILL CERTAINLY WORK WITH SCOTT AND SAL AND FRIENDS AND FOLLOW UP ON ANY NEXT STEPS. THANKS FOR THE FEEDBACK.

VERY HELPFUL. >> THANK YOU.

>> HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING. THANK YOU.

[6.2 Community Equity Project, Joy Behan]

YOU TOO. >> ALL RIGHT.

WE WE HAVE ABOUT 15 MINUTES. IT'S SOMETHING I WANTED TO SEND OUT TO YOU GUYS AS EARLY STAGE YOU KNOW IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO HAVE A HEADS UP ON THINGS AS THEY BEGIN RATHER THAN GETTING AN INFORMATION DUMP WHEN THEY'VE BEEN WORKED ON.

AND YOU KNOW PEOPLE HAVE WORKED WITH THE PLACE.

I THINK THAT YOU ALL RECEIVD AN INFO FLIER ABOUT EQUITY WALK PROJECT BEING WORKED ON. IF YOU DIDN'T GET IT.

I WILL HAVE NAN RESCIND IT. IT'S PROBABLY IN THERE

SOMEWHERE. >> YOU CAN CLICK AND OPEN IT ON

THE AGENDA. >> ANYHOW THIS IS PRA PROPOSAL WORKED ON BEING WORKED ON AND HEADED BY THE OWNER OF AMELIA ARTS STUDIO TO GET AS WE'VE SEEN ALL SEEN INTERNATIONAL NEWS THE IMPORTANCE OF A QUALITY GENDER RACIAL ABILITY.

I KNOW OUR CITY IN PARTICULAR WITH A LOT OF THE PARKS BEING ADA AND GOING BEYOND THE REQUIREMENTS.

THE IDEA HERE -- AND THIS HAPPENED IN OTHER CITIES -- IT'S A QUARTER OF A MILE WALK. AND THE IDEA TO HAVE ART INSTALLATION THAT ARE REFLECTIVE OF EQUITY ISSUES.

RACIAL EQUITY GENDER EQUITY. THOSE ART INSTALLATIONS YOU KNOW WOULD BE PROVIDED BY AMELIA ART STUDIO AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND OTHER FOLKS TO PARTNER TO CREATE THIS SHORT TRAIL THAT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO OUT.

THERE'S NO SIGNAGE FOR IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT SMALL QR CODE THAT GOES ON THE BOTTOM OF THE ART THAT YOU ARE THEN SCAN AND PROPERTIES YOU WITH QUESTION. THE IDEA YOU GO WITH FAMILY MEMBERS OR FRIEND AND THEN YOU CAN DISCUSS.

THEY ARE VERY OPEN ENDED. NEUTRAL TYPE OF THINGS.

JUST TO SORT OF REALLY GET THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH EACH OTHER AND TO BRING AWARENESS TO CERTAIN ISSUES. SO ANYHOW, THAT'S SORT OF -- IT'S IN THE BACKGROUND. THEY ARE WORKING TOWARDS IT.

UNFORTUNATELY THESE DAY IT'S HARDER TO GET THINGS GOING.

BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS ZOOMED BY ZOOM OR PHONE CALLS INSTEAD OF IN-PERSON MEETINGS. AND HOPEFULLY I WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL NEXT MONTH MEETING AS THEY HAD MORE TIME TO MEET AND PUT THINGS TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT

[01:45:02]

SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON THE PROJECT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PARK AND REC SUPPORT ON.

AND AGAIN NOTHING NEEDS TO BE DECIDED OR WHATEVER TODAY.

YOU KNOW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. MORE INFO TO COME.

JUST TO GIVE YOU SORT OF HEADS UP IN THE VERY EARLY PLANNING STAGES OF THIS. I THINK THE IDEA DEPENDING ON THE KINDS OF FUNDS THAT CAN BE RAISED IS TO TRY TO USE EXISTING PATHWAYS MAYBE LIKE THE CREEK WHICH HAS THE NICE PATH WAY THERE'S. THERE'S DISCUSSION OF BRINGING ART INSTALLATION INTO THE PARK AT ONE POINT OR ANY OTHER PARK THAT CURRENTLY HAS SIDEWALKS ALL RIGHT THERE OR WHO KNOW DEPENDING ON THE FUNDING THEY PULL TOGETHER MAYBE IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING A WALK SOMEWHERE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ONE. ANYHOW, THAT'S THAT.

I WON'T TAKE UP MORE TIME WITH THAT.

>> THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU.

>> THANKS. I'M HOPING IT SOMETHING WE CAN

[7.1 Vehicular parking in the grass at Main Beach Park for special events]

SUPPORT. >> AND THEN REAL QUICK THE DISCUSSION ON VEHICULAR PARKING IN THE GRASS ON MAIN BEACH PARK FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. WHOSE BULLET POINT IS THAT?

>> NOT MINE. >> I AM I LEAD SPECIAL EVENTS.

THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT US HOSTING EVENTS THAT ALLOW VEHICLES TO PARK ON THE GRASSY AREA.

NOT JUST AT MAIN BEACH, LIKE CENTRAL PARK, THE PET FIELD.

PARKING IN GRASSY AREA. THE CITY MANAGER ASKED ME TO BRING IT AND HAVE A DISCUSSION. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON US HOSTING EVENTS THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO PARK IN THE GRASS.

NOT DRIVING, BUT PARK IN THE GRASS.

>> COULD I MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT SINCE THERE'S NO SPECIAL EVENT OCCURRING RIGHT NOW. THEY'VE BEEN POSTPONED; IS THAT

CORRECT? >> THAT WE PUT THIS ON THE NEXT

AGENDA? >> AGREED.

>> I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WRAP UP IN TEN MINUTES. YOU KNOW IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR US TO HAVE AN IDEA HOW MANY OF EVENTS WE HAVE DURING THE YEAR.

HOW MANY TYPES OF CARS ARE GENERALLY NEEDED.

>> THINGS LIKE THAT. >> I WILL LET YOU KNOW HOW MANY EVENTS WE HOST THAT HAVE CARS THAT PARK IN THE GRASSRY AREA.

>> ALL RIGHT. GREAT.

WELL, WE'VE GOTTEN MINUTES TO HIT OTHER BUSINESS THEN.

[8. OTHER BUSINESS]

>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS I WHAT PRESIDENT TO BRING UP.

I WILL DO IT VERY BRIEFLY. THE FIRST IS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A REQUEST AND I KNOW THE COMMISSIONER IS THERE.

I KNOW DON'T IF THAT'S SET TO BOARD OR NOT.

AMEND IT TO AD-HOC. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IF YOU WILL

REMEMBER -- >> THERE'SAN -- THERE'S AN ON

LINE LIST OF DISCUSSIONS. >> IT'S JUST A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM. WE'RE NOT AN AD HOC COMMITTEE.

WE'RE A STANDING COMMITTEE. IF WE ARE AD H O O -- HOC COMMITTEE WE SHOULD BE DISBANDED.

I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE COMMISSIONER ASK FOR THAT RESOLUTION AND AMENDMENT TO THAT RESOLUTION TO CLEAN THAT UP.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD VOTE ON IT OR JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. COMMISSIONER, MAYBE YOU HAVE

SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT. >> MY INITIAL THOUGHT ON THAT IS THAT YEAH WHY DON'T YOU VOTE -- WOULD SAY VOTE ON RESOLUTION AND THEN HAVE THE CHAIR FORWARD THAT RESOLUTION TO THE CITY MANAGER SO IT'S PL PL ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSION AMEND THE RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING TO DESIGNATE AS STANDING COMMITTEE AS OPPOSED TO AN AD HOC COMMITTEE.

>> SECONDED. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

>> AYE. >> ALL RIGHT.

ARE YOU FINISHED? >> I HAVE ONE OTHER ISSUE.

[01:50:04]

>> I WANT TO BRING IT UP. THAT IS THE BY LAWS.

I SPENT A LOT OF TIME. COMMISSIONER, YOU WERE A PART OF THAT SO YOU WERE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR AGENDAS FOLLOW THE BY LAWS AND SEE THAT WE'RE NOTIFIED A WEEK PRIOR TO THE AGENDA THAT FOR AGENDA ITEMS. I NECESSARILY THOSE WERE PASSED IN MARCH AND WE DIDN'T HAVE MEETING TO JULY. NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS ARE HAPPENING. THE AGENDA LAYOUT DOES NOT MATCH THE BYLAWS. AND THERE'S NO NOTICE FOR AGENDA ITEMS SEND OUT PRIOR TO A WEEK REQUEST.

AND THOSE ARE SPECIFIED IN THE BYLAWS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A COPY OF THEM THE OTHER FOLKS ON THE

BOARD. >> I DON'T THINK I SO.

>> I DON'T. >> WE NEED TO DISTRIBUTE THAT.

>> I HAVE REQUESTED THEM BACK IN MARCH ONCE WE APPROVED THEM.

AND GOT THEM AND THEN ASKED THEY BE SENT OUT TO THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE. I ALSO ASKED THEY BE PROVIDED FOR THIS MEETING SO YOU CAN SEE. WE -- IF WE WILL NOT COMPLY WITH THE BYLAWS WHY DO WE TAKE THE TIME TO WRITE THEM?

>> I'M MAKING THE REQUEST THE AGENDA MATCH THE BYLAWS.

THE NOTICE GO OUT A WEEK BEFORE THE AGENDA POST EAST REQUEST

AGENDA ITEMS. >> I JUST NEED TO SAY ONE THING.

I'M PRETTY SURE I SENT OUT REQUEST OR ONE OF US DOES TO ALL OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS MORE THAN A WEEK OUT TO FIND OUT ANYONE HAS SOMETHING THEY WANT ON THE AGENDA.

I KNOW I GET RESPONSES FROM MOST PEOPLE.

I KNOW ALEX AND FAITH ARE THE MOST COMMUNICATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. IF YOU'RE NOT RECEIVING ALL MY E-MAILS OR FROM ALICIA OR SCOTT THEN WE MUST HAVE YOUR INCORRECT

E-MAIL ADDRESS. >> WE KNOW THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

WE E-MAIL EACH OTHER VERY FREQUENTLY.

I GOT DOCUMENTS ON THE COLUMBARIA AND SO FORTH.

I DON'T HAVE AN E-MAIL PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER PEOPLE -- CHECKED MY E-MAIL TO SEE IF I MISSED.

THAT'S WHY THIS ISN'T ON THE AGENDA.

BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET -- DIDN'T GET IT IN BEFORE -- IT'S -- I'M JUST SAYING. I DIDN'T GET IT.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.

FINAL THING I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE WORK ON A PROCESS TO FACILITY COMMISSIONER LEVOCICH IN GETTING COMMUNICATION.

THE COMMISSIONER HAVE SO MUCH ON THEIR PLATE.

I LOOK AT THEIR AGENDAS THEY'VE GOT 200 PAGES O OF -- PAGES OF DOCUMENTS. WHAT IS DRIVING THAT IS DOG PARK COMING BACK TO US. I ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE MEETING. COMMISSIONER METING WHICH OCCURRED IN MAY WHEN THAT ISSUE CAME UP.

FOR MAY WE DIDN'T MEET UNTIL JULY.

THAT'S A LONG TIME FOR SOMEBODY TO HAVE TO REMEMBER TO DO A FOLLOW UP OR TELL. BASED O ON THE LENGTH OF AMOUNT OF TIME AND DISCUSSING IT AND THE COMMISSIONER KEGLER SAID SEND IT BACK TO THE PARK AND REC COMMITTEE.

THE COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN GETTING THROUGH OR IT WOULD BE ON ONE OF OUR AGENDAS. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HELP MAKE THAT HAPPEN. YOU KNOW SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY WHETHER IT'S A PROCESS OR FORUM TO TRY TO GET THE COMMUNICATIONS THROUGH. BECAUSE IT'S CLEARLY BEING SENT BACK TO US BECAUSE THERE WERE ORPROPOSALS THAT WERE MADE TO THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WE NEVER U.S.A. -- NEVER SAW IN TERM OF ALTERNATE LOCATION. REDESIGN OF THE LAYOUT OF IT.

IF NOBODY'S FAULT. IT'S JUST FRUSTRATING TO HEAR THAT COME UP LAST YEAR. AND NO COMMUNICATION FORTHCOMING THAT IT WAS GOING TO COME BACK TO US AT SOME POINT.

I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET UNTIL 20 -- WHATEVER YOU SAID '23. IT'S NOT EMINENT.

MAYBE WE CANNOT AT ANOTHER MEETING TRY TO COME UP WITH COMMISSIONER LENOVICH HAS SUGGESTION TO REALLY HELP US TO BE MORE PROACTIVE OR GET IT OUT THERE TO HELP GET THIS

[01:55:04]

>> I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. >> IF I CAN JUST PUT MY TWO CENTS IN HERE. PART OF THAT MY FAULT.

NOT COMMUNICATING BACK TO THIS GROUP.

THAT DOG PARK HAS BEEN VERY -- THAT WHOLE ISSUE HAS BEEN VERY PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE IT'S AS YOU KNOW YOUR GROUP TOTALLY REJECTED IT AFTER THAT LENGTHY MEETING.

OUT OF THE BLUE IT APPEARS ON THE CITY COMMISSION'S AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. AND ALL OF US -- I WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I HAD REJECTED IT OF OUR JOINT MEETING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD IN WHICH THEY SAID THAT, THAT SITE TOTALLY UNSATISFACTORY FOR THE DOG PARK, PLUS THE CONCERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAD FIGURED THE DOG PARK HAD BEEN PUT TO BED AND THEN VICE MAYOR SUGGESTED THEY GO BACK TO TRACK FOR CONSIDERATION OF ALTERNATE SITE.

IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER PLACE IN THE CITY WHERE A DOG PARK MIGHT WORK, THAT WAS THE CHARGE. THAT'S WHERE IT RESTS NOW.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WHERE YOU ARE COMPELLED TO RECONSIDER IT.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. I WILL CERTAINLY FOLLOW YOUR MANDATE OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE DOG PARK AT THIS POINT AND TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

>> COULD WE TABLE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING?

WE'RE OUT OF TIME. >> AND --

>> YES. ONE QUESTION, DO WE HAVE APPLICANTS TO REPLACE OUR CHAIRPERSON?

>> NOT THAT I RECEIVED YET FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

>> THANK YOU. >> THAT'S IT.

>> WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> I MOVE TO ADJOURN. >>

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