Jul 27, 2020 Marina Advisory Board

[Items 1 - 3 & 6.5: 1. CALL TO ORDER 2. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE 3. ROLL CALL 6.5 Discussion of the Marina Management RFP and the respondents submissions]

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HAD. >> ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN TONIGHT WITH THE ITEM 6.5, THE DISCUSSION OF THE MARINA MANAGEMENT RFP. AND THE RESPONDENT'S SUBMISSIONS. SO IS SOMEONE GOING TO SPEAK WITH US FOR THAT? WE HAVE A NEW COMMITTEE THAT WILL BE APPROVING THAT. NATHAN, WOULD YOU --

>> SURE. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M AIRPORT AMANAGER. I THINK I JUST DREW THE SHORT STRAW. SO I'M COMING BACK TO YOU TONIGHT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS OF THE REVIEW OF THE MARINA RFP. THE CITY IS DECIDED TO DRAWBACK AND RUN THROUGH AN EVALUATION COMMITTEE PROCESS TO REVIEW THE FIVE SUBMITTALS THE CITY RECEIVED AND SCORE THOSE SUBMITTALS AND ALSO BRING THE SCORING AS A RESULT OF THIS PROCESS AS A RECOMMENDATION TO PASS THROUGH TO THE CITY COMMISSION. SO MR. MARTIN HAS APPOINTED THREE MEMBERS TO THE COMMITTEE, MYSELF, PAULA AND TAMMY.

WE THOUGHT WE SO COME BACK TO YOU BEFORE WE SCORED THOSE PROPOSALS AND BRING THEM BACK TO THE GROUP FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION. WHAT I'VE GOT ON A SLIDE SHOW HERE IS WE SAT DOWN AND TALKED ABOUT THE PROCESS AND TIME LINE FOR THE PROCESS AND I HAVE A TIME LINE HERE AND WE PASSED THAT OUT. A FUSE INITIAL QUESTIONS, OBVIOUSLY, ASKED FOR SOME FEEDBACK AT THE FRONT END FROM YOU. AND JOE I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY CLICK TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS REALLY KIND OF GETTING INTO THE MEAT AND POTATOES, FOR ME PERSONALLY I CAN DRAW SOME PARALLELS TO THE MANAGEMENT OF THE AIRPORT VERSUS THE MARINA. GETTING SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT WHEYS IMPORTANT TO THE MARINA USERS AND FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THE MARINE WOUL MARINA WOULD BEO US. WE'RE OPEN TO SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK I'M SURE YOU HAVE IT AS IT RELATES TO THE PROCESS.

WHAT WE PUT FIRST ON THE SLIDE, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE END USER, WHERE YOU ACTUALLY VISIT A MARINA.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A L FEE STRUCTURE IN PLACE, SOMETIMES LOCATION IS IMPORTANT, SOMETIMES, IF I HAVE COMPETING ENTERPRISE, ONE LEVEL BASED ON LEVEL OF SERVICE, WE WANTED TO GET A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF USERS OR OPERATORS OF THE MARINA, WHAT IS ABOUT BEST FOR YOU OR ATTRACTIVE FOR YOU OF THE MARINA. EVERYBODY IS GOING TO RAISE

THEIR HANDS. >> YOU HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED

FOR THE 6TH? >> WE'LL GO TO THAT SLIDE FIRST.

LET ME GO OVER THE CALENDAR AND THEN THE FIRST SLIDE.

HERE WE ARE THE CALENDARS, JULY. ,27TH OF JULY.

WE HAVE A PUBLIC SETTING REVIEW OF THEIR SUBMITTALS.

WE HAVE ASKED THE SUBMITTERS TO BE AVAILABLE FOR A PHONE CALL SO WE CAN CLARIFY IF WE NEED TO. AND DISTRIBUTING THAT INFORMATION ON THE 7TH OF AUGUST, EVEN THOUGH THE MEETING ON THE 6TH IS PUBLIC, DISTRIBUTING THAT ABOUT INFORMATION, BACK TO THIS GROUP ON THE 7TH.

WE'RE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL MEETING OF THIS GROUP ON THE

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AUGUST. >> WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT SPECIAL MEETING ON THE TEFNTD HERE IN A FEW MINUTES, I THINK. BUT MAYBE WE CAN FIRST IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF NATHAN AT THIS POINT.

SO THE COMMITTEE IS MADE UP OF THREE.

YOU ALL ARE CITY EMPLOYEES OF SOME SHAPE OR FORM, RIGHT? AND YOU'VE HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THIS.

YOU WORKED WITH THE MARINA, EXCUSE ME, THE AIRPORT TO HAVE

THAT. >> YOU BET AND WHAT I WAS DRAWING ON THERE I'M THE AIRPORT MANAGER SO FROM AN OPERATIONAL

PERSPECTIVE. >> YOU'VE BEEN THERE FOR THREE

YEARS? >> I'VE BEEN AT THE AIRPORT FOR THREE YEARS, IN AICH YAITION ABOUT 15.

>> THEY ARE SIMILAR TYPE OF OPERATION, SO THAT'S GOOD I THINK. ALLEN.

>> I'VE GOT A QUESTION. ARE ALL OF YOU THERE TO EVALUATE, EVALUATING WHO THEY ARE AND HOUSE THEY'RE GOING TO

DO IT? >> YES, SIR.

YOU HAVE GOT FIVE SUBMITTERS WHEN THE RFP WAS RELEASED BY THE CITY WHO HAVE SUBMITTED PROPOSALS.

THERE IS CRITERIA WITHIN THAT RFP FOR SCORING.

BASED ON TECHNICAL CAPABILITY, THE MANAGEMENT CAPABILITY AND THE FINANCIAL PROPOSED OF THAT RFP.

SO THERE IS SCORE CRITERIA ADMINISTRATOR ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY IN THAT RFP. OUR DUTY IS TO LOOK AT EACH OF THE CATEGORIES AND SCORE. THE CATEGORIES IN THE RFP ARE WEIGHTED. WHEN WE SIT DOWN AND SCORE THOSE, THE WEIGHTED COMPONENTS WILL RELATE TO A SCORING AND YOU'LL HAVE THE HIGHEST SCORING FOR ONE OF THE AGENCIES.

>> HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT WHERE AS A IS DIDN'T FOLLOW THE OASIS DIDN'T SUBMIT ABUDGET THE. FOLLOWING OVERSTATEMENT OR UNDERSTATEMENT? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT IN A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS WITH THE OTHER ONES?

>> I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO HOW PAULINE OR TAXIY WILL SUBMIT THEY'RE PROPOSALS, WE HAVE GOOD FINANCIAL INFORMATION SUBMITTED BY PAUL EPIPEN. I THINK THAT'S THE REASON THE CITY BROUGHT IN STANFEC. TO LOOK AT THE BEST FINANCIAL FOR THE CITY. SO YOU CAN COULD DO WHAT THE ACTUALS WERE FROM THE CITY BUDGET AND ASSUME THAT THEIR ACTUALS WOULD NOT BE CORRECT, I THINK STANTEC HAS LOOKED AT THAT

AND FROM MY BASIC REVIEW -- >> I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DID THAT WELL. AND I'M CONCERNED FROM THAT STANDPOINT THAT I THINK OASIS LOW BALLED YOU TO GET IN THE DOOR. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR FEE SCHEDULE, THEY'RE AT 1.5% OF ALL REVENUE.

WHEREAS WESTREC IS ONLY 1% OF SOME PARTS OF THE REVENUE AND SOME THEY DON'T EVEN TOUCH. SO STRAIGHT ACROSS SPEED,

WESTREC WOULD BE WAY AHEAD. >> I THINK YOU COULD TAKE THE PROPOSAL AND APPLY TO IT THE ACTUALS FROM THE MARINE, ASSUMING ALL THE ASSUMPTIONS ARE WRONG.

>> I WOULD HAVE HOPED THE RFP WOULD HAVE MADE EVERYBODY USE THE SAME BUDGET BASICALLY AND THEN THEY COULD HAVE ALL LISTED WELL HERE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE THINK WE CAN APPROVE ON.

THAT'S NOT HOW THE RFP WAS WRITTEN.

>> PLEASE. >> HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DETERMINE WHICH ONE OF THESE VENDORS HAS ABILITY TO REALLY DO

THE JOB IN FERNANDINA. >> TO FULL SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU, THAT'S IMPORTANT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU AND USERS OF THE MARINA. I DO THINK THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION IN WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE PROPOSALS AS FAR AS PROJECT EXPERIENCE AROUND THAT WAS REQUESTED IN THE RFP AND HAVING ACCESS TO REFERENCES, AND SOME OF THOSE FACILITIES, AND ALSO IF WE GET TO THE TAIL END, HAVING THE ABILITY TO CONTACT THEM TAIL END, TO ASK THEM QUESTIONS TO CLARIFY THINGS.

SO I THINK EXPERIENCE AS LISTED IN THE RFP IS IMPORTANT BUT WE ABSOLUTELY RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF --

>> I'M CURIOUS HOW CRCH YOU WOULDCOMFORTABLEYOU WOULD BE IFR HERE WOULD BE EVALUATING AN AIRPORT.

WE WOULD BE TOTALLY UNQUALIFIED TO DO IT.

>> I GET IT. >> OASIS IS THE ONLY PERSON THAT

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SO THEY'VE GOT AN ADVANTAGE AND A LEG UP TO EVERYBODY.

BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE GOT A CHANCE TO COME IN WITH A SALES PRESENTATION. WERE YOU PLANNING TO LET THEM DO A SALES PRESENTATION OR JUST COME IN FOR QUESTIONS?

>> TWO ARE THE FINANCIAL PROPOSAL THAT THEY MADE AND THEN THEIR EXPERIENCE PROVIDING MARINA MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS AND AS WE SCORE THAT COULD IT GO EITHER ONE OF TWO CONVEYS WHEN WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION. IT COULD BE ALL AGENCIES OR IT COULD BE AS WE FEEL AS THOUGH THERE ARE THE TOP TWO THAT HAVE SCORED OUT IN OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE MAY WANT TO TALK TO.

IT MAY ELIMINATE SOME OF THEM IF IT DOESN'T HAVE TIME TO HAVE A

DISCUSSION. >> NATHAN DON'T YOU NEED MORE TIME THAN JUST TWO WEEKS TO MAKE THIS KIND OF EVALUATION AND JUST BIG DECISION LIKE THIS TO BRING ANOTHER COMPANY IN? DON'T YOU THINK IT AS THE MORE THAN MONTHS, THAN TWO WEEKS, TO

DECIDE THIS FACTOR? >> YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE TIME LINE IS UNREASONABLE. I THINK WE'VE GOT GOOD

INFORMATION AND RESOURCES. >> SO IN TWO WEEKS WE CAN CHANGE YOUR ORGANIZATION AT THE AIRPORT.

BUT WITH THREE PEOPLE THAT DON'T REALLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT AND

COME UP WITH A DISCUSSION ON IT. >> AND TO BE CLEAR I'M NOT MAKING A DECISION ABOUT THIS. I'M SIMPLY SCORING THE CRITERIA AND BRINGING THEM BACK TO YOU. AND I BELIEVE THERE IS FURTHER DELIBERATION BY THE CITY COMMISSION.

>> TAMMY DID YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS?

>> I DID. I WANTED TO MENTION BY THE PRESENTATION BY OASIS, PAULINE AND NATHAN AND I, WE DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION, WE HAVE A BLANK SLATE.

THE ONLY THING I KNOW ABOUT OASIS IS THE CO-FOUNDER'S BACK SIDE THAT I LOOKED AT AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING, SERIOUSLY. THE OTHER IS, IN THE PROCESS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PROCESS HERE, WHEN WE CHOSE WESTREC AND WHEN WE CHOOSE OTHER VENDORS, WE DON'T HAVE EXPERTS.

THAT'S NOT OUR POLICY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EXPERTS IN A CERTAIN FIELD. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE IS WE WANT YOUR INPUT. AND EVEN THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AS THE DAYS AND THE NEXT WEEK GO BY BEFORE WE MEET, SEND US E-MAILS, OUR E-MAIL ADDRESSES ARE ALL -- AND TELL US WHAT YOU THINK. THAT'S GOING INTO OUR PROCESS.

I DON'T KNOW -- I WAS NOT PART OF ANY OF THIS WITH OASIS.

I HAVEN'T EVEN OPENED UP ANY OF THE PROPOSALS YET.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE OTHERS HAVE BUT I WANTED TO HEAR FROM YOU

ALL FIRST. >> JOE.

>> IS ONE QUESTION I HAVE WITH OASIS IS THEY DON'T SEND A CONTRACT, FIVE TO TEN YEAR. ONCE YOU GO WITH OASIS YOU ARE STUCK WITH FIVE YEARS EVEN IF ALL THEIR NUMBERS ARE WACKY, THAT'S ONE. TWO, THIS BOARD WAS NOT PRIVY TO

THE RFP PRODUCTION. >> I UNDERSTAND.

>> SO THAT WAS ALL DONE BLIND SIDING US.

ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE AN RFP BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON,ING WESTREC IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB. SO THEN I.T. GETS GOING TO A VENDOR TO GRADE IT, WE'RE NOT EVEN AWARE OF THAT, OKAY? COMES BACK WITH IT ALREADY HANDLED BASICALLY.

AND THEN THERE'S A 4 TO 1 VOTE BY THE CITY COMMISSION TO GO WITH OASIS AND WE'RE ALL GOING -- YOU KNOW? FOR AN ADVISORY BOARD, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH STAY IN THE DARK, I FEEL KIND OF LIKE A MUSHROOM IF YOU UNDERSTAND MY MEENGT THERE.

>> I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND HOW YOU WOULD FEEL INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY BUT WE ARE RESTARTING THE PROCESS.

IF WE FIND THAT IT'S TOO COMPLICATED OF A MATTER TO EVEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT'S AN OPTION THAT WE HAVE MANY IS NO RECOMMENDATION. WE NEED MORE TIME.

SO THE GOOD TB GOOD THING ABOUTS PROCESS IS THE WESTREC PROCESS IS NOT TERMINATED UNTIL DECEMBER OKAY SO WE ARE MONTHS AHEAD OF THIS AND WE ARE STARTING THE PROCESS NOW.

WE CAN'T -- THE THREE OF US ON THE COMMITTEE CANNOT TAKE BACK WHAT HAS HAPPENED BUT WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL WORK WITH US TO MOVE FORWARD. THIS IS THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE, AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF INPUT, WE BEING THE CITY AS A WHOLE AND WE GET COPIES OF YOUR E-MAILS TOO ABOUT WE NEED SOMEBODY WITH MARINA EXPERIENCE ON THERE, THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS A CONFLICT BECAUSE THEN THERE'S A BID PROTEST, I MIGHT HAVE A CONFLICT BUT THAT'S WHY I HAVE OUTSIDE COUNSEL THAT'S ALREADY ON A PREAPPROVED MORRIS. I'M NOT GOING TO THEN REPRESENT THE CITY COMMISSION DURING A BID PROTEST.

SO WE HAVE THOUGHT OF THOSE THINGS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE FEELINGS AND CRITICISMS OF THE PROCESS THAT HAPPENED. BUT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD FROM THIS, SO THAT WE CAN FIND THE BEST FIRM TO MANAGE THE MARINA.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. AND ALL --

>> WHAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE WITH GOING AHEAD WITH THIS PROCESS AS

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WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE REASONABLE EXPERTS AROUND HERE.

>> RIGHT. WELL THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING

YOU FROM DOING THAT. >> DO IT IN DECEMBER WHEN THE CREDIT CONTRACT WITH WRK GOES UP.

THAT WAY THEY HAVE A CHANCE -- >> BUT THAT'S NOT OUR CHARGE.

ESSNTIALLY WE ALL WORK FOR CITY COMMISSION AND THE CITY MANAGER.

WHAT OUR CHARGE IS, AND I JUST WANT TO LOOK AT THIS WITH AN OPEN MIND AND AN OPEN HARD IS, WE GO FROM HERE.

WE'RE HE RESTARTING THE PROCESS. THERE IS NOTHING THAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT ANY OTHER RFP. GO BACK TO WHEN WE CHOSE WESTREC. IT DID NOT TAKE US A YEAR TO CHOOSE WESTREC. WE DID AN RFP, A COMMITTEE, A VOTE. THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY HERE.

>> BUT WE DIDN'T EXIST THEN. >> YOU DIDN'T EXIST THEN.

GO TALK TO THE FIRMS, GO TALK TO THEM AND GIVE US YOUR FEEDBACK.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT.

GENERAL PARAMETERS, THINGS YOU WANT US TO LOOK FOR.

BUT FROM HERE UNTIL THE CITY COMMISSION MAKES A DECISION, ASK THE QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE US WITH EVIDENCE.

WE'RE TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND I KNOW THE CITY COMMISSION WILL ALSO.

THERE IS NOTHING THAT PREVENTS FROM YOU DOING THAT.

>> LET ME ASK IF THE REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING ON THE 6TH OF AUGUST, ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME INPUT INTO THAT AT ALL? I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S -- THE MEETING'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC BUT THE DISCUSSION IS ONLY

AMONGST THE BOARD MEMBERS. >> THE CITY MANAGER NOR HAS THE CITY COMMISSION ASKED FOR THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS. WE ARE LOOPING YOU IN NOW TO GIVE US THE KIND OF QUESTIONS OR THE RED FLAGS YOU SEE IN THE PROPOSALS, TELL US WHAT YOU THINK SO WE COULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THE PROCESS WORKS, WE ARE EACH INDIVIDUALLY, WE ARE CARRYING THIS WITH US, I LEFT MY PROPOSALS IN THE CAR BUT WE ARE TO BE LOOKING AT THEM INDIVIDUALLY. THEN WE WILL ON OUR OWN RANK, PUT A RANKING TOGETHER. AND THE DATE THAT'S NOT UP THERE, THAT WE JUST FOUND OUT TODAY, WAS ON AUGUST 3RD WAS WHEN OUR INDIVIDUAL, THEY'RE NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC BY THE WAY AT THIS POINT, RANKINGS ARE DUE TO WANDA WEEKS, OUR PURCHASING

AGENT -- >> YOU SAY AUGUST THE 3RD?

>> WHEN IT'S DUE. >> YOU DON'T HAVE A MEETING

UNTIL THE 6TH. >> RIGHT.

BUT WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL FORMS THAT WE FILL OUT AND THEN WE SUBMIT THOSE TO MS. WEEKS AND SHE COMPILES THEM INTO A SCORECARD THAT SAYS BASED ON ALL THE SCORES THIS IS WHAT I CAME UP WITH WITH. AND THEN ON AUGUST 6TH WE TALK ABOUT OUR FINDINGS, WE TAKE QUESTIONS, THERE'S PUBLIC

COMMENT AVAILABLE. >> SO IN SEVEN DAYS YOU'RE GOING

TO -- >> YEAH.

>> ON THE 6TH WE HAVE THE ABILITY AS INDIVIDUALS --

>> AND BEFORE THAT. PLEASE SEND THINGS TO US INDIVIDUALLY. YOU CAN MAKE COMMENTS, AS I'M A MEMBER OF THE ADVISORY BOARD AND I THINK --

>> I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK AT THAT MEETING. VERY GOOD.

COLEMAN HAS A QUESTION. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO COUPLE OF THINGS. I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY, WE CAN BEAT THE HISTORY TO DEATH.

ALL RIGHT? I HAVE A QUESTION AS TO WHY CAPITAL INVESTMENTS AND DEBT SERVICE AREN'T TO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. THE REASON I SAY THAT EVEN WHEN THE CITY OPERATED THE FACILITY, THE OPERATIONS CAN BE SOLVENT ALL THE TIME. IT'S NOT AREAL REFLECTION, THE MISSION WE REALLY NEED IS GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH 96 TO HELP US DEEM WITH THE DEBT SERVICE AND OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS.

I WOULD ASK THAT THIS BE CONSIDERED INTO THE PROCESS.

FOR ME IT WOULD HELP A LOT. JUST LOOKING AT THE OPERATING INCOME IT'S NOT GOING TO GET A REAL TRUE -- THESE NUMBERS, I THINK THE HARD NUMBERS ARE WHAT WE WANT --

>> YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN?

>> HOW WOULD IT FIT INTO THE BUDGET.

WE ALWAYS HAD TO CONSIDER HOW TE TO ADDRESS AND FUTURE CAPITAL PLANNING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THAT BUT MAYBE SOMETHING SHOULD COME FROM THESE GUYS TO SAY HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ADDRESS NOT ONLY NET INCOME ONLY. I'M NOT THE FINANCE DIRECTOR BUT I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION THAT WE SHOULD PUT OUT THERE AND SEE IF THEY CAN SHARPEN PENCILS. I'D LIKE INFORMATION ON THAT.

>> PAUL. >> GO AHEAD.

YOU GOT MOVEMENT. >> I HAD MY HAND UP.

>> THERE YOU GO. >> I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WESTREC GET AN EXTENSION ON THEIR LEASE FOR A YEAR.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT HAD A MARINA TO OPERATE EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE WE HAVE NOT HAD A GOOD FUNCTIONAL MARINA.

AND THAT'S BEEN FOR 40 YEARS. THE MARINA DESIGN HAS BEEN POOR.

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YEAR EXTENSION. >> COLEMAN.

>> LET'S LOOK AT NOT JUST FOR PATH THOU GOING FORWARD.

THERE IS SOME DATA THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT WHEN WESTREC WAS OPERATING THE FACILITY PRIOR TO MATTHEW.

WHEN THEY COME IN THE FACILITY HAD BEEN DREDGED.

I WOULD BEG SOME WITH CONTENTION, GO BACK TO 2016 OR PRIOR TO THAT. SO DON'T LET THE HURRICANE BE A REASON THE MAKE YOUR JUDGMENT ON WESTREC'S OPERATIONS, LOOK AT THE FACTS OF THE NUMBERS PRIOR TO IT.

IF WESTREC STILL STANDS AS THE BEST ONE THAT'S FINE.

BUT I'M HEARING A LOT OF THIS THEY NEVER HAD A GOOD MARINA, THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE. LOOK AT YOUR NUMBERS, CHECK THE

HISTORIES, PLEASE. >> HANG ON JOE.

PAUL, PLEASE. >> IS YOURS BUILDING ON HIS?

GO AHEAD. >> THE MARINA BEFORE THE HURRICANE WAS SILTED IN, OKAY? THE NUMBERS OF SLIPS THAT COULD BE USED BY ANYTHING OTHER THAN A VERY SHALLOW-DRAFT BOAT, I KNOW I DRAW SIX AND A HALF FEET AND I COULDN'T GET IN EXCEPT AT HIGH TIDE. NOW THAT WILL GRAB A LOT OF BUSINESS AWAY. SO NOW THEY'VE GOT A MARINA THAT'S SUPPOSED REPLY DEEP, RIGHT, ACCORDING TO ALL THE SURVEYS AN EVERYTHING SO NOW YOU'RE WORKING WITH A CLEAN SLATE. SO SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS WERE A LITTLE FLAKY, OKAY? AND CONSIDERING WHAT THEY HAD TO WORK WITH IN THAT MARINA AND THAT IS THE ONLY THING I'M BRINGING UP THERE. O.

>> I SAY LOOK AT THE NULLS, LOOK AT THE FACTS AND MAKE YOUR

DECISION BASED ON THAT. >> AND PAUL.

>> IF WE COULD BRING THE CALENDAR BACK UP PLEASE.

THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS. I DO WANT TO AMBIGUOUSY BACK WITH JOE A LITTLE BIT, I SUPPORT HIS CONCERN.

IF I WERE TO BE AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER AND LOOK AT AN PARENT RIGHT NOW, I THINK I COULD GO IN THERE PRETTY CLEARLY AND MAKE AN ASSESSMENT ON WHAT WOULD WORK AND WHAT MIGHT NOT WORK.

I'M ON THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD BUT I LOOK AT THE EXPERIENCE ON THE BOARD AND I'M PROBABLY THE LEAST AMOUNT OF MARINA EXPERIENCE. BUT WHEN I THINK OF ONE OF YOU OR SOMEBODY ON THAT, TAMMY, FOR -- I'M NOT BEATING HISTORY BECAUSE FOR ME THAT'S A WAIST OF TIME.

I'D LIKE TO START FROM HERE. IS IT NOT TOO LATE TO ADD SOMEBODY FROM THIS BOARD FOR SOMEBODY TO APPROACH THE CITY MANAGER TO ADD SOMEBODY ON THIS BOARD ON THERE? OR IS IT SCUCH A SUCH A NEUTRALS THAT YOU COULD TAKE THREE PEOPLE OFF THE STREET AND THEY COULD LOOK AT THIS CRITERIA AND THEY

ARE JUST GRADING, IS THAT -- >> LET ME JUST SAY THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS A LITTLE OFFENSIVE. WE ARE NOT JUST THREE PEOPLE OFF

THE STREET, OKAY? >> THAT'S NOT OFFENSIVE AT ALL

I'M JUST TRYING TO -- >> I UNDERSTAND.

BUT I MEAN -- >> I WANT TO UNDERSTAND.

WHAT I'M ASKING IS FOR IT TO BE ELEMENTARY TO ME.

>> SURE. >> IS THE PROCESS THAT SIMPLE THAT WE CAN TAKE JUST I NEVER REALIZED SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS GOING TO BE OFFENSIVE. BUT IS IT JUST THAT SIMPLE TO GRADE IT? WOULD SOMEBODY WITHOUT ANY MARINA EXPERIENCE ON IT, WOULD IT PROVIDE THE PRODUCT THAT I

GUESS THE BOARD -- >> THAT -- AND AS YOU ALL DO HAVE EXPERIENCE I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

IS IT TOO LATE? IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO ASK BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE CITY MANAGER HAS MADE THE DECISION.

IF YOU LOOK BACK AGAIN NOT THE HISTORY OF THIS PROCESS FOR THIS RFP BUT WHETHER WE CHOSE WESTREC WE DID NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC -- USUALLY THESE PROPOSALS STAND ON THEIR OWN.

THEY GIVE US WHAT WE NEED. DO WE HAVE TO -- WE DON'T HAVE TO -- HERE WE HAVE A COMPTROLLER SO THE FINANCIALS CHECK.

WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY. I MEAN YEAH, I'VE HAD A BOAT, I'VE HAD A SLIP BEFORE NOT HERE BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S NOT COMMON PRACTICE. YOU CAN GO ACROSS ANY OTHER CITY OR COUNTY. THE BIG ONES EVEN.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE EXPERTS MAKING DECISIONS, EXPERTS IN MARINA OR WHATEVER THE, YOU KNOW, EXPERTISE FIELD WOULD BE.

YOU DON'T -- THAT'S NOT NORMAL PRACTICE TO ALWAYS HIRE EXPERTS TO DO THAT. IS IT POSSIBLE HERE?

IT'S ALWAYS POSSIBLE. >> THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION IN A REALITY SIMPLE WAY. IT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE

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CONFRONTATIONAL. >> I KNOW.

>> YOU ARE EXPLAINING TO ME IT IS A PRETTY NEUTRAL PROCESS, YOU HAVE THESE BLOCKS, THESE FOLKS ARE COMING IN HERE AND YOU ARE

NOT LOOKING TESS -- >> IT IS NOT COMMON PRACTICE TO HAVE AN EXPERT IN THAT FIELD. FOR EXAMPLE WE DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEER ON OUR EVALUATION COMMITTEES WHEN WE CHOOSE AN

ENGINEER. >> OKAY.

>> ALL RIGHT, JOE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU MA'AM, YOU SAID ON THE 3RD THERE QUILL BE A MEETING.

YOU SAID ON THE 3RD -- >> I'M GETTING MY STEPS IN.

>> THAT MEETING ON THE 3RD WHAT IS IT INVOLVED IN?

>> IT IS NOT A MEETING. ON THE 3RD OUR INDIVIDUAL -- I WISH I HAD BROUGHT IT. IT'S A TWO-PAGE FORM AND IT'S DONE IN EXCEL. IT HAS OUR NAMES AT THE TOP AND IT HAS THE CRITERIA THAT ARE IN THE RFP AND THEN WE SIT DOWN BY OURSELVES. I'M GOING TO GO HOME TONIGHT AND I'M GOING TO BE REVIEWING AT LEAST ONE PROPOSAL TONIGHT.

WE'LL DO THAT ON OUR OWN. ON AUGUST THE 3RD, NEXT MONDAY WE HAVE TO TURN THOSE SHEETS IN TO WANDA.

WANDA USES A CALCULATION TO PUT ALL OF OUR SCORES TOGETHER.

AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO PASS IT AROUND.

AND THEN SHE COMPILES IT INTO WHO GOT THE HIGHEST SCORE AND FILLS IN ALL THE BLANKS. AND THAT'S JUST HER PUTTING THE NUMBERS TOGETHER. AND THEN ON THE 6TH, EVERYBODY GETS TO MEET TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC AND HAVE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE ON THE EVALUATION BOARD, IN SCORING IT,

ONLY HAVE SEVEN DAYS. >> RIGHT.

>> BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT IN BY THE 3RD.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO THEY'RE GOING TO LEARN EVERYTHING ABOUT MARINAS OR THESE SEVEN VENDORS, IN SEVEN

DAYS, RIGHT? >> YES.

>> I'M AN ENGINEER AND OCEAN OCEANOGRAPHER.

I WOULDN'T WANT JUST SEVEN DAYS. >> THAT MEETING WILLING CONCLUDE ON THE 6TH AND YOU WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION FOR US TO REVIEW ON THE 7TH, WE'LL HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON THE 10TH WHERE WE'LL REVIEW THEIR DECISIONS OR THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, SUBMIT THAT TO THE CITY COMMISSION, AND THEN ON THE -- WHAT IS THE -- I DON'T SEE THE DATE THERE.

>> THE 18TH. >> OH, THE 18TH.

>> THE CITY COMMISSION WILL HAVE ARE THE SAME RESOLUTION THAT WAS APPROVED AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO AMEND IT AND CHANGE THEIR MINDS IF THEY WANT TO OR THEY CAN KEEP THE SAME AND NOT TAKE -- IF THEY DON'T TAKE ANY ACTION, OASIS WILL BE THE CHOICE.

BECAUSE THAT'S THE RESOLUTION THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.

>> THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH HERE.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT IT HAPPENED LIKE THAT.

>> I'M KIND OF WONDERING WHAT WAS THE CRISIS.

SOMEBODY CAME UP AND SAID WHY WASN'T THERE AN EVALUATION BOARD WHEN THE CITY VOTED? IT'S STILL A CRISIS, CAN WE HAVE THAT DONE REAL QUICK? I'M GOING OKAY, RIGHT?

>> I THINK THE PROBLEM WAS THEY PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORGS, THE CITY COMMISSION DID, THEY VOTED ON IT BEFORE THEY HAD A

ABOUT EVALUATION BOARD. >> THE TIMING, NOT HAVING MONTHS FOR AN EVALUATION COMMITTEE TO HOLD ON TO --

>> IF YOU ARE USED TO DEALING WITH RFPS YOU KNEW ABOUT THE EVALUATION BOARD SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY.

>> THE CITY MANAGER HAS ADMITTED BEFORE, I'M SPEAKING ON HIS BEHALF, I MADE A MISTAKE. HE MADE A MISTAKE, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HIM AND HE TOOK IT UNDER HIS WING HIMSELF AND WHAT HE DID WAS MISSED SOME STEPS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE SOME OF US WORKING ON HIS TEAM. THAT'S IT, THAT'S HOW SIMPLE IT IS. HE CALLED ME OF AFTERNOON

ON THURSDAY OF LASTWEEK AND SAI. >> THE BOARD WILL SHOW UP AT THE AUGUST 6TH MEETING AND HAVE SOME INPUT.

THAT'S PROBABLY OUR TIME TO HAVE INPUT.

WE'LL PROBABLY GIVE YOU THOUGHTS TONIGHT.

BUT IF WE SET DOWN WITH ONE TOPIC THAT'S THE TIME FOR INPUT.

>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. I WENT TO YOUR LAST MEETING AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU ALL DISCUSSED WAS REFERENCES.

WHO WAS GOING TO CONTACT REFERENCES, AND IT WAS GOING TO BE YOU WERE EACH GOING TO KIND OF BREAK THEM UP BUT THEN MR. MCTHY OR CAPTAIN MCCARTHY, DID YOU CALL ANY

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>> I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT I CAN DOCUMENT BUT I'VE DONE QUITE A BIT ACTUALLY, CONVERSATIONS I'VE HADIVE IN THE AREAS WHERE THESE COMPANIES WORK.

OUT OF THE BLUE CALL THEM UP AND SAY HOW IS THIS GUY DOING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I HAVE.

I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DOCUMENTED IT A LITTLE BETTER BUT I'VE BEEN DOING THAT. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ALL DONE, NOT ALL FOUR HAVE BEEN EVALUATED BY MYSELF.

>> ANY INSIGHT YOU WANT TO GIVE US? HERE OR BY E-MAIL WOULD BE GREAT.

>> I CAN FOLLOW UP AND GIVE YOU SOME HARD EVIDENCE OF WHAT I FOUND. JERRY HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK YET SO PLEASE. WOULD YOU LIKE?

>> ALL RIGHT. JUST ONE QUESTION.

SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS EVALUATION, THAT'S FINE, I SAW THE LITTLE FORUM, THAT'S FINE. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DETAIL THAT YOU HAVE, SO TECHNICAL IS 30 POINTS.

DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER GUIDANCE SMEETSHEETS ABOUT HOW ARE YOU GG TO AWARD THE 30, EIGHT FOR THAT SEVEN FOR THAT TEN FOR THAT?

IS THERE ANY BREAKDOWN -- >> THERE IS NOT.

>> SO THE THREE EVALUATORS WILL USE YOUR OWN --

>> CORRECT. >> JUDGMENT.

SO YOUR TEN MIGHT BE HIS SEVEN, MIGHT BE HER 20.

>> CORRECT. YES, SIR.

>> AND THAT WILL ALL BE RECORDED SOMEHOW RIGHT?

>> YES. >> AROUND THAT WILL BE PUBLIC

INFORMATION? >> YES.

>> AT SOME POINT IN TIME. >> IT WILL.

AS OF AUGUST THE 6TH EVERYTHING THAT WE DO WILL BE PUBLIC. BETWEEN AUGUST 3RD AND AUGUST 6TH THOSE ARE NOT PUBLIC RECORDS YET.

>> AND THEN ON THE 7TH WE SHOULD HAVE A REPORT FROM THEM AS TO WHAT THEY RECOMMEND AND ON THE 10TH WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING TO EVALUATE THAT OURSELVES.

AND I THINK TERRY DID MENTION EARLIER THIS YEAR WE DID ASK FOR WESTREC TO HAVE AT LEAST A YEAR'S GRACE PERIOD TO SEIZE HOW THEY DO. WE VOTED ON THAT AND IT WASN'T UNTIL AFTER THAT THAT THE RFP WAS PUT OUT.

I THINK. >> NOW CITY MANAGER DID MENTION THAT THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD VOTED AGAINST THE BOARD DOING ANYTHING TO GIVE WESTREC ONE YEAR OF FULL, WITH THE MARINA FULL -- UNDER FULL POWER. EVERYTHING WAS (INAUDIBLE) AND YET THEY STILL VOTED 4 TO 1 AGAINST IT.

>> THE RFP WENT OUT APRIL THAT. >> WHEN WAS THE RFP LET?

>> THE DAY AFTER THE CITY MEETING, THAT REALIZED THEY

MESSED UP. >> WHAT WAS THE DAY THAT THAT WAS -- YEAH. AND IT MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN

THE WORKS BEFORE THEN. >> JULY THE 21ST THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVED OASIS IN THE RESOLUTION.

>> I UNDERSTAND. >> BEFORE THAT, THE REQUEST FOR -- I DON'T KNOW THE DATE THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL WAS

FIRST -- >> MARCH THE 10TH.

>> MARCH THE 10TH THE RFP WENT OUT.

>> I THINK IN FEBRUARY WE VOTED --

>> TO KEEP WESTREC FOR A YEAR. >> WE VOTED TO LET WESTREC HAVE

ANOTHER YEAR. >> AND WE REAFFIRMED IT A SECOND

TIME. >> AND WE REAFFIRMED IT THE LAST

MEETING. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE, THAT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION BEFORE ANY OF

THIS BEGAN. >> I CAN HAVE TO TELL YOU, HONESTLY, I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR THE OTHER, WE HAVE ALL DISCUSSED YOU ALL YOUR WISHES THE DECISIONS YOU MADE AT THE LAST MEETING, EVEN MORE YOU'RE TELLING US BEFORE, WE ARE TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION TOO. ABOUT OKAY? I MEAN THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US AS WELL.

WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. >> OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> JOE WHEN DID THE MARINA OPEN? >> JANUARY THE 23RD, 2020.

>> FULLY OPEN? >> THAT'S WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO START PUTTING BOATS INTO THE AREA AND OPEN THE MOORING FIELD.

>> OPEN THE MOORING FIELD. GLANLD HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO

PUT AN RFP TOGETHER, JIM? >> TO PUT ONE TOGETHER?

>> IT REALLY DEPENDS. THEY CAN TAKE -- I DIDN'T HAVE ANY HAND IN THIS ONE BUT THEY CAN TAKE WEEKS, DAYS, I MEAN WE HAVE A FORMAT, REALLY ONLY IF FIRST FEW PAGES THAT --

>> YOU HAVE A BOILERPLATE? >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> SO I GUESS MY SUSPICION IS, IT MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN THE

WORKS WHEN WE HAD OUR CLAIM. >> AND I DON'T KNOW.

WHETHER IT WAS OR NOT. >> DO YOU WANT OUR ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS TONIGHT? SO THAT ALL THREE OF Y'ALL CAN

HEAR THEM FROM THIS BOARD? >> WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU ALL TO

TELL US WHAT YOU THINK. >> BECAUSE YOU NEED THE EVALUATION FOR THE ICT IS SO I'D LIKE TO SAY WHAT I HAVE TO SAY

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>> CAPTAIN MCCARTHY MAY I? >> OKAY, GO AHEAD, ALLEN.

QUESTIONS, ARE THEY LISTED? >> THEY HAVE THEM LISTED THERE.

AS FAR AS THE FUEL PRICING THERE JOE, IT'S A 25% UPCHARGE FOR

MARINA NORMALLY CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> AND THAT'S WORKED WELL, THAT'S WHERE THE MARINA MAKES A BIG BOOM THERE AND I THINK THAT'S WORKED OUT GREAT IN THE PAST AND IT WOULD WORK OUT GREAT IN THE FUTURE AS QUALITY LEVEL OF SERVICE,ING, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN THERE TO HELP US WHEN THEY CALL US ANY WAY, WHEN WE TIE UP OUR LINES, WHEN THE DOCK'S BEEN DIRTY THEY HAVE CLEANED THEM, PRESSURE WASHED THEM, WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO.

THEY KEPT THE PILINGS CLEAN OF BARN CALS.

BARNACLES. TRANSIENTS DIDN'T LOOK TO STAY HERE NORTH TO SOUTH EVERY YEAR, THEY LOVED TO TALK ABOUT KEVIN, OUR BELOVED KEVIN PASSED AWAY AND JAY.

I CAN TELL YOU NUMEROUS PEOPLE THAT'S COME HERE JUST TO SEE THOSE GUYS AND TO COME TO THE MARINA RESTAURANT TO GET FUEL AND LEAVE. THIS TOWN IS A GREAT, GREAT STOP FOR EVERYBODY. LOCATION, I MEAN YOU CAN'T ASK FOR A BETTER PLACE, FIRST MARINA IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

BEST SHOPS, RESTAURANTS, SHORT UBER RIDE, YOU KNOW TO WEST MARINE HARDWARE STORE RIGHT UP THE ROAD, GROCERY STORE.

NO PROBLEM. ARE MARINA IS IN PRETTY BAD APLACE, IT WAS 27 YEARS OLD BEFORE MATTHEW.

YOU KNOW, IT'S SOME NEAR MISSES BEFORE THAT TOO.

THAT MARINA TOOK A HARD BEATEN BEFORE MATTHEW.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE CITY DID THEIR MAINTENANCE AND WESTREC GOT THEIRS, THAT MARINA GOT BEAT UP AND IT WAS CONFIGURED THE WRONG WAY TO START WITH.

THANK GOODNESS MATTHEW CAME AND WE GOT TO MARINA THAT RUNS WITH THE CURRENT THERE. THAT'S BEEN GREAT.

WHEN OPERATIONAL, IT'S WORKED WELL, SEEMED SUCCESSFUL UNDER THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT WITH WESTREC.

CURRENT MANAGEMENT HAD ALL THE SLIPS RENTED DURING TRANSIENT SEASON FOR MARINA WAS FULL AND SOLD LOTS OF FUEL WHEN WE HAD FUEL THE SELL. THAT'S WHERE YOU MAKE A LOT OOF MONEY IS SELLING FUEL. NOT UNTIL THE SLIPS FILLED IN WITH MUD AND WERE UNABLE TO BE USED AT LOW TIDE.

EVEN THEN, THEY SOLD THOSE SLIPS AS MUD SLIPS.

DISCOUNTED PRICE. I MEAN SO THEY WORKED HARD FOR OUR CITY. THERE.

IN 2016 JUST BEFORE THE STORM WAS HIT IN OCTOBER, THE MARINA WAS JUST ABOUT TO SHOW A PROFIT AND HAD IT NOT HAD THAT STORM, WOULD IT HAVE SHOWED A PROFIT OTHER THAN THE CONTINUOUS DEBT THAT WAS BROUGHT WITH US. BUT THAT'S THE FIRST YEAR IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN, IN A LONG TIME, WITH SUCCESS.

OPERATION -- WHEN OPERATING IS NOT WORKED WELL.

WHEN PRIMA OPERATIONAL, I THINKE CITY HAS TO WORK WITH WESTREC AND DMI OTHER MANAGEMENT. THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY ALONE. IF YOU ALL DO NOT WORK WITH THESE GUYS AND COMMUNICATE BETWEEN THESE TWO GROUPS IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK THERE. DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S WESTREC OR WHOEVER WILL DECIDE TO GO IN THERE, IT NEEDS TO BE BETTER COMMUNICATION. THE SITTING PROBLEM IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS THE MARINA HAS.

TODAY IT'S PROBABLY FILLED IN TWO FEET SINCE IT WAS DREDGED ON THE EAST SIDE AND THE WORST PART IS THE SOUTHEAST PART OF IT.

YOU HAVE TO DO MAINTENANCE DREDGING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO AS MUCH BUT AS I'VE BEEN RECORDING IT YOU HAVE TWO FEET STILL ALONG THAT DOCK. THE REST OF IT IS STILL MAINTAINING ITS DEPTH. THE NEW DESIGN IS DOING WELL AND A FEW MAINTENANCE STRATEGIES COULD BE OUTDONE OF THAT, IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE EVERY YEAR BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE. WE ARE LOCATED NORTHEAST FLORIDA, WE FILL ALL SEASONS. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A STRONG TRANSIENT SEASON FALL AND SPRING.

WHEN BOATS HEAD NORTH FOR THE SUMMER AND HEAD SOUTH FOR THE WINTER, WE DON'T HAVE BIG CITIES AROUND US LIKE NORTHEAST STATES DO. THEY CAN DRAW TO THEIR MARINAS.

WE HAVE LOTS OF HOTELS ON THE ISLAND AND BUILDING MORE.

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WHEN WE'RE OPEN. WE NEED FUEL.

WE NEED TO SELL, WE WITH MAKE AT MORE MONEY WHEN WE HAVE FUEL.

WE DON'T HAVE BIG BOATS HERE. OUR SUMMERTIME IS OFF SEASON FOR OUR MARINA BUT WE HAVE SMALLER BOATS THAT COME IN STAY AT HOTELS AND THEY USE THE MARINA, THAT'S A GOOD THING.

I WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO GIVE WESTREC ONE YEAR WITH THE MARINA FULLY OPERATIONAL TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO, BECAUSE THEY WERE DOING SO WELL JUST BEFORE THE HURRICANE MATTHEW.

JUST GIVE THE CITY A FULL YEAR TO INTERVIEW ANY OTHER COMPANIES, MARINA MANAGEMENT GROUPS AND WESTREC COULDN'T DO WHAT THE CITY WANTED THEM TO DO. AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

WHENEVER YOU ALL ASK AND INTERVIEW THESE OTHER COMPANIES AND THEY ARE FROM NORTHEAST FLORIDA -- I MEAN NORTHEAST STATES, ASK THEM HOW BUSY THEY ARE IN THE FALL AND IN THE WINTER. MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

IN THE SUMMERTIME THEY ARE BOOMING.

THEY'RE JUST LIKE US WHENEVER -- EVERYBODY ACCOMMODATION SOUTH IN THE SUMMER -- WINTERS. ASK THEM HOW THEY DO THEN WHEN IT'S SNOWING AND IT'S COLD AND IT'S FREEZING.

THAT'S ALL. I HOPE Y'ALL CONSIDER IT, I HOPE YOU CONSIDER WHAT THIS BOARD HAS TO SAY.

WE WORK HARD FOR THE CITY AND WE DON'T LIKE IT TO GO TO DEAF EARS OR I DON'T. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU ALL. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK COLEMAN?

>> I JUST LOOKED AT THIS EARLIER AND I JUST RANKED E-RARCHTIOND, FOR ME PERSONALLY, QUALITY OF SERVICE IS PROBABLY THE FIRST MOST IMPORTANT THING. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE GOOD SERVICE EVERYTHING CAN GO BY THE SIDE THERE.

NUMBER 2, FEES AND FUEL PRICING OBVIOUSLY ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

AND THEN WE KNOW THE LOCATION IS IMPORTANT BUT THAT'S -- NO OFFENSE, I DON'T THINK THAT IS A RELEVANT QUESTION, IT IS WHAT IT IS. WE HAVE A GOOD LOCATION, WE SHOULD MARKET IT. THAT'S HOW I WOULD RANK IT, ONE TWO THREE. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT SIDE. QUESTION, OPERATIONAL, WORKED WELL WITH WESTREC. I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GREAT STAFF, JOE'S MANAGEMENT AND EVERYTHING GOES ON, THAT GOES BACK TO QUALITIES OF SERVICE, I THINK WHAT ALLEN WAS SAYING, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN REALLY IMPORTANT AND POSITIVE WITH WESTREC'S TENURE WITH US. IF I WAS GOING TO BE A LITTLE CRITICAL FROM TIME TO TIME I'VE HAD ISSUES IN THE PAST WITH THE WEBSITE AND I DON'T MEAN JUST LOCALLY BUT KIND OF THE WAY I LOOK AT IT OVERALL. I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE THE PR PROMISE WAS THEY WOULD DO MORE.

HAVEN'T LIVED UP TO THAT PROMISE TO THE EXTENT I'D LIKE TO SEE.

PERHAPS, WE HAD SOME CONVERSATION WITH TDC AND TRYING TO WORK WITH OTHER ENTITIES. I THINK WESTREC MIGHT PROBABLY BE INTERESTED WITH THIS. WORKING WITH OTHER MERCHANTS AND HOW WE COULD MERCHANDISE THE MARINA, A LOST APPRECIATION FOR THE MARINA'S IMPACT ON THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES AND VICE VERSA AND ITS MARKETABILITY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HELPS YOU BUT THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR AS WE ASK QUESTIONS OF THESE FOLKS WHETHER IT'S

WESTREC OR ANYONE ELSE. >> THEN ELSE, KEVIN?

I'M SORRY, JOE, PLEASE. >> I RANK ABOUT FEES AND FUEL PRICES HIGHEST. THERE ARE OTHER MARINAS IN THE AREA. YOU HAVE TIGER POINT, ST.

MARY'S, NOW IT IS MARINE EYE MARINA.

YOU HAVE DIFFERENT AREAS AROUND HERE WHERE A BOAT COULD STAY INSTEAD OF HERE. WE'VE GOT A FEW THINGS GOING FOR US, OKAY? ONE THE PRICES COMPETITIVE WITH THE REST OF THEM THAT'S A PLUS. OKAY? QUALITIES OF SERVICE, THIS MARINA HAS PEOPLE THAT TAKE CARE OF IT. THEY COME DOWN RUN YOUR LINES LIKE YOU NEED, MAKE SURE THE WATER'S ALWAYS WORKING, THERE ARE OTHER MARINAS AROUND HERE WHERE THEY HAVE BREAKS IN WATER LINES AND IT TAKES THEM DAYS AND DAYS TO GET THEM FIXED.

HERE IT'S RIGHT AWAY. WE HAVE GOOD WIFI FOR THE BOATERS AND IT'S FREE AND THEY LIKE IT.

THEY LEAVE OTHER MARINAS, THERE IS NO WIFI YET, NO WIFI IN ST. MARY'S NO PLACE OVER THERE WHERE YOU CAN GET WIFI. THE OTHER THING IS ON LOCATION, CAN YOYOU CANNOT GET INTO ST. G. BRUNSWICK, ST. AUGUSTINE HAS A

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>> THANK YOU. COME ON JACK PLEASE.

>> SO I GUESS A COUPLE OF THINGS I WOULD SAY.

THE FIRST ONE IS THAT I DO AGREE THAT IT ESCAPES ME WHAT THE MATTER OF URGENCY IS WITH REGARD TO COMPETING THE MANAGEMENT OF THE MARINA TTY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DONE FROM TIME TO TIME.

BUT IS THIS THE TIME TO DO IT? BECAUSE THINK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. WE HAVE JUST SPENT $15 MILLION GIVE OR TAKE BUILDING A BEAUTIFUL STATE-OF-THE-ART MARINA. WE HAVE AN EXPERIENCED OPERATOR WHO HAS BEEN ON THE GROUND HERE, KNOWS THE FACILITY, KNOWS THE CONDITIONS. KNOWS THE WEATHER.

KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT THE OPERATIONS THAT SURROUND THE PHYSICAL PLANT OF THE MARINA. WHAT I'M STILL NOT CLEAR ABOUT IS WHY WE DO NOT USE THE EXPERIENCE OF THAT OPERATOR TO HELP US WORK OUT THE KINKS ON THIS ABSOLUTELY BRAND-NEW PLANT THAT WE HAVE BUILT. AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU BOUGHT A NEW HOUSE, OR REMODELED A HOUSE, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE LITTLE KINKS.

WHAT DO THEY CALL IT, THE LITTLE CHECKLIST --

>> PUNCH LIST. >> PUNCH LIST.

THAT'S RIGHT. THIS MARINA IS GOING TO HAVE A PUNCH LIST. ALL RIGHT, WHO'S GOING TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT? DO YOU BRING IN A COMPLETE STRANGER TO WORK OFF THE PUNCH LIST, DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY EXIST OR DO YOU ASK THE OPERATOR THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME, NOT FOREVER BUT FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME TO HELP US BREAK IN THIS BRAND NEWS PLANT,, OKAY? SO WHAT I'M STILL MI MYSTIFIED , IS WHERE WHY WE DON'T DO THAT? IT IS NOT THE JOB OF THE COMMISSION, THAT'S WHAT WE PAY THEM TO DO. IF THEIR DECISION IS WE WANT TO ROLL THE DYE DICE, SO BE IT, THS WHAT YOUR CHARTER IS IS ON THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE. BUT I QUESTION THE WISDOM OOF THAT RIGHT NOW. THAT'S POINT 1.

POINT 2 IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE -- SO THAT'S A QUESTION ABOUT PHILOSOPHY OF OPERATING THE MARINA.

MY SECOND QUESTION IS BACK TO THE EVALUATION PROCESS, WHICH IS COMMITTEE IS GOING TO PERFORM. THERE ARE 26 ITEMS OF WORK IN THE RFP. WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT HOW YOU WERE GOING TO SCORE, WHAT I WAS KIND OF EXPECTING BACK WAS, SOME KIND OF INDICATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE 26 ELEMENTS OF THE STATEMENT OF WORK, WE'RE GOING TO ASSIGN THEM TO TECHNICAL OR FINANCIAL OR MANAGEMENT, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THEM IN THEIR LITTLE PACKAGES AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SCORE EACH ONE OF THOSE SO IF THERE ARE TEN OF THEM THAT FALL UNDER TECHNICAL AND TECHNICAL IS WORTH 30 POINTS, YOU'LL SAY EACH ONE OF THESE WILL HAVE THREE POINT.

I WILL LOOK AT EACH PROPOSAL, LOOK AT EACH REQUIREMENT AND HOW MANY OF THESE POINTS DO THEY GET? WHEN I HEAR WE GOT 30 POINTS WE'RE GOING TO THROW THEM AROUND, I'M EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

THAT DOES NOT SOUND TO ME LIKE A PROFESSIONAL APPROACH OF PERFORMING A EVALUATION. THE MINIMUM I WOULD EXPECT YOU GUYS TO COME BACK AT SOME POINT AND TELL US HOW THE 26 STATEMENTS OF WORK ARE GOING TO BE ROLLED INTO YOUR EVALUATION PROCESS. I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO ASK YOU TO DO THAT TONIGHT BECAUSE YOU AREN'T PREPARED TO DO THAT BUT

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THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU. >> JOE.

>> IN RELATION TO YOUR COMMENTS, IF WESTREC LEAVES THERE IS NO CORPORATE MEMORY IN THIS PLEANG, OKAY? MARINA,OKAY? BRONSON'S GONE.

JOE WILL BE GONE. EVEN IF THEY KEEP THE STAFF THEY'VE HIRED SINCE THEN THEY'VE ONLY BEEN ON SINCE MARCH OR SO.

THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING THAT WENT ON IN THE PAST.

KEVIN, THE CORPORATE MEMORY THAT USED TO EXIST IN OUR MARINA, KEVIN WAS ALMOST IRREPLACEABLE. KEVIN IS DEAD.

NOW YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IN A NEW TEAM THAT HAS NO IDEA WHERE THE SHORTCUTS WERE MADE ON THOSE MARINA PIERS WHEN THEY WERE PUT IN, ANY OF THE ERRORS THAT WERE MADE WHEN THEY DID IT, OKAY? IT'S GUARANTEED FOR ONE YEAR. $15 MILLION, OR WHATEVER WE SPENT, ONE YEAR, END OF ONE OF YEAR SOMETHING GOES BAD, SO SAD, TOO BAD. SO I'M EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH CHANGING HORSES IN MID STREAM SO TO SPEAK OR WHATEVER, UNTIL SOMEBODY CAN YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO WITH OASIS, FINE.

BUT AT LEAST HAVE THEM WORK WITH WESTREC FOR SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.

THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. >> NOW ANY OTHER THOUGHTS?

>> OH, NO, JAY'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG LONG TIME.

>> YEAH BUT HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING BUT BASICALLY --

>> I KNOW JAY WAS KEVIN'S RIGHT HAND MAN.

>> YES, THE CONTINUITY, YOU HAVE A CHANGE OF TEAM, CERTAINLY A PROBLEM. YOU GO ONE YEAR DOWN THE ROAD AND DECIDE WESTREC IS NOT THE FIT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THIS PROBLEM. I DON'T SEE A SOLUTION TO THAT AND THE OVERLAPPING OF MANAGEMENT REGIMES, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT QUOO WORK EITHER. PERHAPS IF THE CITY COULD CONTINUE WITH WESTREC FOR A YEAR, THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF PLAN. YOU KNOW WESTREC CAME IN, HAD A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE AND THEN PRETTY MUCH RAN WITH IT.

>> THEY HAD KEVIN AND THEY HAD YOU.

>> TRUE. BUT YOU KNOW IF THEY HADN'T HAD US THEY STILL HAVE THE PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND AND I'D JUST SAY ANY ONE OF THESE MARINA OPERATING COMPANIES SHOULD BE PREPARED TO STEP INTO THIS. I'M NOT SAYING PRO OR CON WITH WESTREC, I'M JUST SAYING DON'T OBE AFRAID BECAUSE WELL THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING.

WE COULD BE DOWN THE ROAD ONE YEAR AND STILL HAVE THIS SITUATION. BUT PERHAPS FROM WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY, MAYBE THERE COULD BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW DO THEY EFFECTIVELY TRANSITION AND TAKE OVER A FACILITY.

I WOULD ASK THEM IF THEY EVER HAD LOOKED AT THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH THAT IS RUNNING A MARINA, BECAUSE IT IS A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE. BUT FROM POLITICAL STANDPOINT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THEY COULD ADDRESS, OTHER POLITICAL REIGNS WE HAVE TO SO DOLE WITH. WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU COME IN? I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THAT OTHERS HAVE DONE IT.

WESTREC SHOULD BE ABLE TO PRESENT A GOOD CASE.

I DON'T KNOW OTHER THAN THE EXPERIENCE WE'VE ALL HAD THAT THEY'VE REALLY MADE PRESENTATIONS, I THINK THERE WAS SOME FRUSTRATION ABOUT THAT. MAYBE WESTREC COULD COME BACK AND SHARPEN THE PENCILS AND DO SOMETHING TO ENHANCE THEIR CAUSE. THEY SHOULD BE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT BECAUSE THEY ARE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE ALL THAT TIME.

WHY ARE THEY UNIT SCRUTINY, THAT IS A QUESTION FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT BUT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY REASONS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS AND WHETHER THEY HAVE A YEAR UNDER THEIR BELT NOW OR WHATEVER IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT ALL THESE ARGUMENTS MAKE MUCH SENSE TO ME.

EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, WE SHOULD REEVALUATE.

MAYBE THIS IS THE TIME FOR REEVALUATION.

IF WESTREC WANTS TO MAKE THEIR CASE THEY CAN.

THEY GOT ANOTHER CHANCE. IF THERE IS ANY WAY THEY CAN MAKE THEIR CASE. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THIS -- I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF TEETH GNASHING.

LET'S JUST TRY TONIGHT, THEY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, SPECIFICALLY TO GIVE THEM SOME GUIDANCE.

I THINK YOU MAY HAVE HAD SOME GOOD POINTS ABOUT THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF IT. THAT MAYBE, THEY CAN COME UP

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>> I WANT TO MAKE ONE OVERT OBSERVOTHEROBSERVATION IF I COUU DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE PROPOSALS SO HIGHWAY CAN YOU DO AN EVALUATION. YOU ARE MISSING THE PROPOSAL.

THE WESTREC PROPOSAL. WESTREC SENT A LETTER.

A LETTER DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A RO PROPOSAL.

I'VE BEEN IN CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS MOSTLY WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR 30 YEARS. I WOULDN'T EXPECT A SMALL MUNICIPALITY LIKE NO FERNANDINAO FOLLOW THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AT ALL BUT THERE ARE STILL A FEW BASICS.

WE DO NOT HAVE AN ACTUAL PROPOSAL IF WESTREC.

I'M A BIT MYSTIFIED HOW YOU SCORE THEM, YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT FROM ALL OF THE OTHER ONES. THE ONLY THING WE HAVE FROM WESTREC IS A LETTER. I'M NOT QUITE SURE.

YOU'RE THE LAWYER IN THE ROOM AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LEGAL ANSWER WOULD BE. BUT IT DOES NOT SEEM TO ME THAT WE CAN DO AN EVALUATION IN THE ABSENCE OF ONE OF THE PROPOSALS.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE SUBSTITUTE FOR THAT. AGAIN TAMMY I'LL LEAVE THAT TO

YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, JUST ASKING YOU.

>> ABSOLUTELY I THINK IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WESTREC LIKE ANY OTHER FIRM OR BUSINESS WAS PROVIDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A PROPOSAL AND CHOSE NOT TO PROVIDE A PROPOSAL. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

AND WHAT THEY DID DO AND THIS WAS AFTER YOUR LAST MEETING BECAUSE I GOT A COPY OF THE PLERT FROM MONTH FRY WITH WESTREC, AFTER HE HAD REVIEWED THE OTHER PROPOSALS.

I LOOKED AT THAT LETTER AS A REVIEW OF THE OTHER PROPOSALS NOT THEIR OWN PROPOSAL. SO WE CAN'T EVALUATE WESTREC BASED ON THESE CRITERIA. I MEAN WHAT WE CAN DO -- WHAT I HEAR YOU ALL SAYING, THIS IS HOW I'M INTERPRETING IT, I CAN'T SPEAK NOR THE OTHER GO, THEY CAN SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, IS THAT WESTREC IS NOT BEING EVALUATED ON THESE CRITERIA.

WE ARE GOING TO EVALUATE BASED ON THE CRITERIA AND THANK YOU FOR THE THE POUNDS. POINTS.I REALLY HAVE COME IN HEN FOR THAT PURPOSE, THANK YOU FOR THE 26 THINGS WE NEED TO REVIEW.

>> HOW WILL YOU? YOU MAY NOT HAVE AN ANSWER THIS

EVENING -- >> I DON'T.

I CAME IN HERE TOTALLY GREEN WANTING TO --

>> HOW DO YOU EVALUATE WESTREC? >> YOU DON'T EVALUATE WESTREC.

AS I SEE IT, WE DON'T EVALUATE THEM BASED ON THIS CRITERIA.

WHAT I SEE AS WHAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING IS THAT WE DON'T WANT YOU, CITY? AN EVALUATION COMMITTEE AND CITY MANAGER TO LOOK AT THESE OTHER FIRMS. NO MATTER WHAT ANY OF THEM PROVIDE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THIS PROCESS. WE WANT TO STICK WITH WESTREC FOR THE NEXT YEAR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M HEARING. SO FOR THE I'M NOT PLANNING ON TAKING ANY OF THESE CRITERIA AND UNFAIRLY, BECAUSE WESTREC DIDN'T ASK US TO, APPLY THESE CRITERIA TO WESTREC, EVEN THE PROPOSAL THEY SUBMITTED TEN YEARS AGO. WE CAN'T DO THAT, BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T FAIRLY PROVIDED THEIR PROPOSAL.

THEY DON'T WANT US TO EVALUATE THEM.

MR. FRY AND WESTREC WANT US TO LOOK AT THE LETTER AND WE INTEND TO DO THAT AND TAKE HIS COMMENTS.

BUT WESTREC IS NOT GOING TO BE ON THE SCORECARD.

AND THEN IT WILL BE UP TO THE CITY COMMISSION TO SAY WELL ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE EVALUATED AND THEY ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND RIGHT TO SAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE THINK WE'LL STICK WITH WESTREC FOR A YEAR. THAT'S NOT EVALUATING ANYBODY.

IT'S YOU KNOW TO ME IT'S NOT A COMPETITION.

WESTREC HAS BEEN HERE, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A PROPOSAL AND THEY CHOSE NOT TO. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT GIVES THEM AN X MARK OR A RED MARK, IT GIVES THEM NO MARKS.

>> SO BASICALLY, WESTREC IS SET ASIDE?

>> TOTALLY SET ASIDE. >> WELL THAT'S A CLARIFICATION.

>> WELL WE DO HAVE A HISTORY WITH WESTREC.

WE GAVE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE WESTREC FOR ANOTHER YEAR BEFORE THERE WAS ANY THOUGHT OF FINDING A NEW MANAGEMENT

COMPANY. >> RIGHT.

>> THAT WASN'T ON OUR RADAR AT ALL.

SO WE MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT DAY BECAUSE WE THOUGHT LET'S GIVE THEM -- WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO REVIEW THEM PERIODICALLY EVERY FEW YEARS AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN A WHILE.

SO WE THOUGHT LET'S GIVE THEM ANOTHER YEAR THEN WE'LL MAKE A REVIEW AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANOTHER OPTION.

THIS CAME UP BEFORE US AND SO NOW WE MUST FACE IT.

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I CERTAINLY BELIEVE THEY ARE. I'VE ALREADY DONE MY OWN POLITICAL EVALUATION. AND SO I SEE PERHAPS THERE ARE SOME OTHER OPTIONS HERE FOR US NOW.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMISSION UNDERSTOOD THAT WE DID RECOMMEND AT LEAST ONE, THAT WAS OUR ORIGINAL.

NOW WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND SEIZE WHAT THE BEST OPTION FOR TO CITY AND THE MARINA. SO WE DO HAVE A HISTORY WITH

THAT. >> SO THE OUTCOME OF THIS WILL BE YOU'LL EVALUATE THE FIVE BIDS, I GUESS IT IS FIVE.

>> FOUR PLUS THE ONE. >> AND YOU'LL PRESENT THAT TO US AGAIN AFTER YOU'VE DONE YOUR REVIEW.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> AND THERE WILL BE A RANKING 1 THROUGH 5 OF THOSE BIDS.

THAT STILL LEAVES WESTREC SITTING OVER HERE.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> I GUESS I DON'T KNOW YET WHEN DO THOSE TWO PIECES COME TOGETHER? WHEN IT GOES BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION AGAIN OR WHAT IS YOUR

THOUGHT ON HOW THAT WORKS? >> THE COMMISSION IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO MAKE THIS DECISION. SO IF WE COULD CHOOSE IF THE COMMITTEE CHOOSES ONE OF THE FOUR, AND THEN WESTREC IS ASIDE, THEN THEY WOULD MAKE THAT DECISION THAT NIGHT WHETHER TO

STAY WITH WESTREC OR GO WITH -- >> THE COMMISSION.

>> THE COMMISSION. WITH US, IT'S ULTIMATELY THEIR DECISION. WE'RE JUST THEIR ADVISORY BOARD.

AT LEAST WHAT I SEE TONIGHT IS PROBABLY DECENT.

WE CAN WORK THROUGH THIS I THINK AND WE CAN HAVE SOME INPUT INTO THIS. I'M PLEASED THAT AT LEAST NOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME INPUT. I WAS BLIND SIDED BY THE LAST MEETING, THAT IT WAS ALMOST AS IF IT WAS ALREADY MADE.

SO I THINK WE HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSION TONIGHT AND I HOPE YOU GOT SOME GOOD UNDERSTANDING ABOUT HOW WE ALL --

>> WE ABSENCED ALL THE QUESTIONS.

>> RIGHT AND EVERYBODY HAS FULLY, MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT HAS WORKED WELL, WHAT HASN'T WORKED WELL.

AND I WOULD ADD TO NOT JUST BY WESTREC.

SOME OF YOU REMEMBER, LONG BEFORE WESTREC WAS HERE.

WHAT HAS WORKED WELL FOR THE MARINA? WHAT HASN'T WORKED WELL I WOULD SAY, IS REALLY W WHAT YOU SHOULD BE THINKING OF. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS TOO, WE REALLY ARE HERE AND CERTAINLY YOU KNOW MY POSITION HERE, I DON'T WORK FOR THE CITY COMMISSION, I WORK FOR THE MARINA WHY BOARD. WE DO NOT HAVE CHARTER CAPTAINS OAR MARINA MANAGERS ON THE COMMITTEE, WE GET THAT, THAT'S WHY WE ARE ASKING YOU FOR YOUR EXPERTISE.

SEND US ALL THE INFORMATION YOU WANT TO.

SEND ME 50 E-MAILS IN THE NEXT WEEK.

I WELCOME THEM AND I THINK THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE DO TOO. THAT WILL HELP US AND YOU'LL BE THERE FOR EVERY PART OF IT OTHER THAN WHEN I'M SITTING AT HOME IN MY COMFY CLOTHES REVIEWING. THAT IS THE ONLY TIME YOU WON'T

BE PART OF THE PROCESS. >> PAUL HAD A QUESTION.

>> I JUST WANTED TO KNOW TAMMY DO WE SEND IT DIRECTLY TO YOU AS

A BOARD OR TO KEVIN OR JOE? >> IT'S UP TO YOU.

JUST GET IT TO US AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN.

YOU HAVE ALL HAD ALL OF THESE PROPOSALS SINCE JULY 1ST.

GIVE US WHAT YOU GOT. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR

EXPERTISE. >> JOE YOU HAD ONE MORE COMMENT?

>> I WANTED TO ASK JOE, HOW COME WESTREC DIDN'T SUBMIT A

PROPOSAL, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? >> YES.

THE INITIAL RFP, WENT IN THERE SAYING THE CITY HAD A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH WESTREC CURRENTLY AND THEY DID SEE PROBLEMS. THIS WAS JUST AN EXERCISE TO SEE WHAT ELSE WAS AVAILABLE. AT THE SAME TIME THAT WAS GOING ON IT WAS SAID THAT WE DENIED -- WE DECLINED TO COME DO A PROPOSAL. WE WERE NEVER ASKED TO DO A PRESENTATION. SO IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF WHAT WE WERE DOING OR NOT DOING. IT'S WHAT WE WERE LED DO BELIEVE WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. IT ORIGINALLY WAS SAID ALL THE PROPOSALS WOULD BE OPENED UP. THEY WOULD GET RANKED.

I MEAN THEY WOULD GET RECORDED. THEY WOULD GO TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR HIS REVIEW. THE CITY MANAGER WAS GOING TO SEND THEM TO STANTEC FOR THEIR REVIEW.

HE WAS GOING TO GET THEM BACK ON FRIDAY THE 12TH AND THE FOLLOWING WEEK HE WOULD BRING WESTREC INTO DISCUSSION WITH WESTREC ABOUT WHAT HE HAD FOUND OUT ABOUT THOSE PROPOSALS TO SEE ALL THE CHANGES. AS IT TURNED OUT WE WERE GIVEN ALL THE PROPOSALS AND ABOUT ASKED WHO WOULD WE LIKE TO HAVE TAKE OUR PLACE. JUST SO WE KNOW, ALL OF THE COMPANIES ARE GOOD. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN TO THAT POINT OF PUTTING IN THE PROPOSAL, IF YOU WEREN'T GOOD AT WHAT YOU WERE DOING. YOU'D ALREADY BE OUT OF BUSINESS IN THIS GAME. BUT THE WHOLE THING IS, JUST

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THEY IS HAD ALL SEE IT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE SAW STANTEC'S NUMBERS WERE WRONG. THEY DIDN'T ADD UP.

JUST RUN DOWN THE COLUMN. TWO OF THE COLUMNS WERE WRONG.

AND ANOTHER PART OF IT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS PEOPLE ARE USING NUMBERS BUT NOWHERE DID STANTEC SAY, THIS IS HOW WE HAVE OUR NUMBERS. I HAVE DONE OIT IN A MASSIVE SPREADSHEET TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE NUMBERS THAT STANTEC IS SHOWING, I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW THEY DID IT.

IF SOMEONE ARGUED THIS, I CAN'T. THIS IS HOW WE CAME UP WITH THESE LINE ITEMS ON THAT THIRD PAGE, ONCE WE HAD THAT, THINK ABOUT IT. LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION AND I'M GOING DO SHOW YOU EVERY CARD I HAVE.

I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MY BUDGET, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MY HISTORY, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING.

AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS MAKE YOUR PROPOSAL A LITTLE BETTER.

>> WELL THANK YOU. THE OTHER THING IS, DOES ANYBODY ON THIS BOARD KNOW HOW MANY TIMES ANY OF OUR ADVICE TO THE COMMISSION HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED? I CAN'T THINK OF ANY, ZERO.

>> PERSONALLY HAVE THIS DISCUSSION OTHER THAN THESE BOARD MEETINGS BUT I THINK ALL OF US FEEL THAT WE HAVE BEEN

KIND OF -- >> LEFT OUT.

>> I MADE A COMMENT TO SOMEONE EARLIER TODAY, WE'LL JUST START RECOMMENDING 180° OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE WANT.

THAT REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY WORKS. I'M SORRY I JUST --

>> I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND.

>> SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO GET US ANYWHERE TONIGHT.

>> I SUPERA QUESTION. KIND OF GOING AROUND LISTEN TO BE EVERYBODY'S STATEMENTS, HOW COME ANY INPURT HASN'T BEEN GIVEN TO THE BOARD, WE'RE ASKED SELECTION OF MARINA, WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT? I KNOW I'VE HEARD FROM A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS BUT I GUESS FROM THE CITY MANAGER STANDPOINT HOW COME THAT FEEDBACK HASN'T BEEN GIVEN BACK TO US AND HOW CAN WE GRAB THAT? BECAUSE REALLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED THE WAY I SEE IT JUST BEING NEW TO THE COMMUNITY IT'S LIKE WE HAVE A CAR THAT WE SAY WE WANT YOU TO BE IN THE GRAND PRIX BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU FUEL.

OR YOU'RE A FOOTBALL PLAYER WE WANT YOU TO GO ON THE FIELD BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU HELMET OR SHOULDER PADS.

THAT'S BASICALLY THE WAY WESTREC HAS MANAGED THE MARINA, RIGHT? THERE'S BEEN NO FUEL, AT ONE POINT THERE WERE NO DOCKS.

NOW WE'RE JUDGING, IT SEEMS LIKE AS I'M LISTEN BEING TO THE CONVERSATIONS, AGAIN NOT GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A QUESTION OF PERFORMANCE.

IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR OTHER PEOPLE THAT PERFORM BUT WE REALLY HAVEN'T GIVEN THE PERSON THAT'S DOING IT THE ABILITY TO PERFORM AND NOW WE'RE MAKING SUCH AN AGGRESSIVE EFFORT TO GET SOMEBODY ELSE NEW IN TO PERFORM, AGAIN I'M JUST TRYING TO CERTIFIES THE URGENCY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE URGENCY IS.

>> I THINK EACH ONE OF US CAN REACH OUT TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE CITY MANAGER FOR THAT MATTER.

THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. >> PRIOR TO, I E-MAILED ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE CITY MANAGER AND TOLD THEM THAT THREE WEREN'T FOLLOWING THE PROCESS ON RFP.

AND IT STILL WENT RIGHT ALONG. AND I ALSO CHALLENGED OASIS LOW

BALL PROPOSAL. >> I KNOW YOU DID.

>> I JUST MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE WESTREC HAS BEEN WITH US FOR FOUR YEARS AND THEY WERE IN SHUTDOWN, THE SKELETON CREW AND ALL IN 2016, THEY WERE FIXING TO SHOW THE CITY A PROFIT. I JUST THINK THE CITY OWES WESTREC, THEY DON'T OWE THEM ANYTHING, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO LET THEM HAVE ONE YEAR AND YOU TIONDZ DO INTERVIEWS FOR THESE OTHER COMPANIES, IF THEY DON'T DO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, YOU HAVE THESE COMPANIES BEHIND YOU COMING IN THEIR SHOES TO WATCH WHAT YOU'RE DOING SO THEY HAVE A TIME TO SEE THE OPERATION IN HAND FOR ONE YEAR AND WESTREC HAS A CHANCE FOR ONE YEAR TO SHOW THE CITY WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR US LIKE THEY DID IT IN 2016. I MEAN THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

I THINK THEY DID A FAIR SHAKE. >> COLEMAN, ONE MORE.

>> OKAY. THE THING IS RIGHT NOW, THE CHARGES FOR PEOPLE NOT INCLUDING WESTREC COULD THEY'RE GOING TO REVIEW BASED UPON THOSE PARTICULAR CORPORATIONS.

MAYBE WE CAN ASK NOT OF THE COMMITTEE BUT IN WE WANT TO HEAR WESTREC GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS AND GIVE US THAT INFORMATION, COMING TO THE BOARD, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOING TO THE SELECTION COMMITTEE THAT WE WANT THAT EXTRA

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BUT I DO WANT TO CAUTION YOU, DON'T FEEL LIKE WESTREC HAD TO SOW EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAD THE ADVANTAGE, THAT'S THE WAY THE PROCESS IS. MAYBE WESTREC COULD COME AND GIVE US SOME PROPOSAL TO THIS BOARD WHILE WE ABSORB INFORMATION JUST FOR SOME MORE INFORMATION FOR OUR OWN PURPOSES. BUT THAT'S NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. SO I HOPE YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THAT, ACCEPT THAT, AND ALL THE HISTORY NOW IS BEHIND US AT THIS POINT. THEY GOT TO DO THEIR EVALUATIONS. LET'S JUST GIVE THEM AS MUCH

TECHNICAL INPUT AS WE CAN. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> SORRY. >> WE'RE AT THIS AT SOME POINT.

>> I GUESS WE'VE STATED OUR CASE ABOUT THE ARGUMENT THAT WESTREC SHOULD BE KEPT ON BOARD FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME WHILE WE BREAK IN THIS NEW MARINA. THAT'S AN ARGUMENT THAT PERHAPS HASN'T BEEN STATED BEFORE, QUITE AS SHARPLY, AND IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION TO DECIDE WHETHER THAT ARGUMENT HAS MERIT OR NOT, OKAY? BUT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF INTERESTING HISTORY WITH WESTREC AND IT ALSO REFLECTS A LITTLE BIT ON THE HISTORY OF THE CITY. A QUICK RECAP.

IN 2009, WESTREC AWA WAS AWARDEE MANAGEMENT CONTRACT.

IN 2012, JUST THREE YEARS LATER, SOME MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION DECIDED THEY WANTED TO OUT OF WESTREC.

OWFT WESTREC. OUST WESTREC.THE IMUMENT WAS, WS COME IN, THEY HAVE FIGURED OUT ALL THE KINKS AND THINGS OF THE MARINA AS IT WAS THEN. THEY'VE SHOWN US HOW THE MARINA OPERATES. THEY'VE TRADE SOME OF OUR PEOPLE SO WHY SHOULD WE PAY THEM ANYMORE? LET'S THROW THEM OUT, TERMINATE THE CONTRACT AND WE'LL BRING THE WHOLE THING IN-HOUSE. WELL, THE COMMISSION I THINK PROBABLY TEAT AT THAT TIME WISY DECIDED ONLY NARROWLY DID DECIDE NOT TO DO THAT. AND THEN OF COURSE WE COME INTO THE MORE MODERN ERA, WHEN THEY RAN THE MARINA FOR US UNTIL THE HURRICANE AND THEN EVERYTHING IS WHAT WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT BY THAT LITTLE STORY, NOT A STORY, IT'S HISTORY, BUT WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, OPERATING A MARINA THAT IS OWNED BY A MUNICIPALITY, LIKE FERNANDINA, IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN OPERATING A MARINA THAT IS OWNED BY PRIVATE INVESTORS, OKAY. WHEN THEY DO THE EVALUATION, THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE HERE, IN THE EVALUATION, A VERY IMPORTANT CRITERIA, WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T WORK IS, IT TAKES A CERTAIN KIND OF A MARINA MANAGEMENT COMPANY TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT THEY'RE MANAGING A FACILITY OWNED BY THE PUBLIC. AND ALL THE VAGARIES AND WEIRDITIES. WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T WORK WITH THESE VARIOUS COMPANIES IS DO THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH AN OWNER THAT IS THE PUBLIC.

NOT AN OWNER THAT'S A PRIVATE INVESTOR WHO OBVIOUSLY JUST WANTS THE MONEY OR WANTS A TAX WRITEOFF OR WHATEVER IT IS THEY ARE IN THE BUSINESS TO DO. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY.

>> LET ME ASK THE BOARD IF EVERYONE ASK IN AGREEMENT TO MEET ON THE 10TH FOR A SPECIAL MEETING, AT 6:00 IN THIS LOCATION, TO REVIEW THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> ON THE 10TH? >> AN THE 10TH OF AUGUST.

>> CAN I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE A MEETING BEFORE

THEN TO LISTEN TO WESTREC? >> I'M WONDERING IF PERHAPS THAT

NIGHT WE CAN INVITE WESTREC. >> IT WILL BE AFTER THEY HAVE

DONE EVERYTHING. >> NOT EVERYTHING.

THE COMMISSION WILL NOT MEET UNTIL THE 18TH.

>> BUT THE PAPERWORK WILL ALL BE COMPLETED AT THAT TIME.

>> THREE ARE GOING TO SUBMIT IT TO US AT LEAST FOR OUR REVIEW.

>> THE ARE MAIRP WORK IS DONE BY THE 3RD.

>> THREE ARE NOT SCORING ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO WESTREC.

>> EXACTLY. >> THEY COULD STILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WESTREC COULD STAY.

THAT BOARD IS LOOKING AT THE FIVE, EVEN THOUGH ONE ISN'T A TRUE PROPOSAL, THEY ARE LOOKING AT FIVE OPTIONS, I BELIEVE.

>> EVALUATING RFP OR THE PROPOSALS THEMSELVES THAT WERE

SUBMITTED. >> THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO DO

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WHAT THE RFP TELLS THEM TO DO. >> BUT THE COMMISSION ULTIMATELY

WOULD MAKE THAT DECISION. >> YES.

>> AND WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO RECOMMEND TO THE COMMISSION THAT WE WOULD PREFER TO SEE WESTREC HAVE THAT EXTRA YEAR.

THAT, ON AUGUST THE 10TH, RIGHT?

>> I HAVE A SNEAKY SUSPICION IT WON'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE, BECAUSE WE ALREADY MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.

>> UNDERSTOOD. >> THEY HAVE ALL THIS HOMEWORK TO DO. THEY HAVE GOT TO WE READ THESE PROPOSALS. AS LONG AS WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TOO REACT TO IT. WHICH WE DO.

>> ON THE 10TH OF AUGUST. >> IS THAT YOUR PRESENTATION TO THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD ON THE 10TH?

INTERON THE 10TH YES. >> THAT ANSWERS PART OF THE QUESTION FOR ME, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO US.

IT'S NOT GOING TO INCLUDE WESTREC IN THAT.

AFTER WE DO THE PRESENTATION I GUESS WE COULD AMONGST OURSELVES IF WESTREC FOLLOWS UP, IF THEY WANT A PROPOSAL, WE CAN DIGEST, BUT IT'S KNOT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTED.

>> AND THE COMMISSION ULTIMATELY IS THE DECISION MAKING BOARD.

>> MAYBE YOU WOULD LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS.

I'M LOOKING AT IT LIKE THIS. THE CITY COMMISSION IS GOING TO MAKE THIS DECISION ON THE 18TH.

>> 18TH. >> SO IN THEIR MINDS THEY'VE GOT THE PREVIOUS DECISION THEY MADE ON THE 21ST, RIGHT? WE ARE WALKING THAT BACK AND SAYING, TAKE ANOTHER LOOK.

THEY WILL HAVE THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS, BASED ON THE CRITERIA, AND THREE WILL HAVE, I'M JUST ASSUMING YOU WILL STILL RECOMMEND WESTREC. I'M NOT SAYING FOR ANY NEFARIOUS REASON, THAT WILL BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

THEY WILL ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER THEIR OWN APPOINTED MARINA ADVISORY BOARD MADE UP OF FOLKS THAT HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THE MARINA AS A THIRD THING TO LOOK AT.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT AND I THINK THAT EVERYBODY'S BEEN FOCUSED ON WHAT THIS EVALUATION COMMITTEE IS DOING OR WHAT -- THAT THOSE WILL BE ALL OF THE THINGS THEY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. AND LEGALLY, THEY CAN MAKE THEIR

DECISION BASED ON ANY OF THOSE. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> THERE IS NOTHING THAT SAYS THE COMMISSION HAS TO ACCEPT THE RANKING. THEY CAN THROW OUT ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEY CAN SAY, WE WANT TO HIRE OUR OWN, COLEMAN, COME BACK AND WORK FOR THE CITY.

OR WHATEVER.

>> I'M NOT TALKIN TO THE AUDIENCE RIGHT NOW, I'M TALKING TO THE BOARD. BUT I THINK WHAT JOE IS SAYING AND WHAT I'M HEARING OVER HERE IN THE CORNER IS THAT ON AUGUST 10TH IT IS GREAT THAT WE ARE GETTING THE DISCUSSION AND THE FINDINGS FROM THE GROUP. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BOARD'S DISCUSSION? WE SEEM TO BE ABSENT OF THAT.

OUR DUE DILIGENCE, IN ORDER TO HAVE THE PARTICULARS TO TALK ABOUT, AND WHAT WE WANT AS A COLLECTIVE INPUT TO THE COMMISSIONERS. I MEAN IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE GETTING THE EVALUATION, BUT THAT'S A PIECE, RIGHT? AND I MEAN I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY FAIR TO SAY THAT WE MIGHT NOT CHANGE OUR MINDS. THERE MAY BE ONE OR TWO BOARD MEMBERS THAT MIGHT SIT HERE AND SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, WHERE WE WERE SUPPORTING WESTREC BEFORE WE MIGHT NOT BE SUPPORTING WESTREC NOW RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE GIVEN NEW INFORMATION. WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE PRESENTING QUESTIONS TO THE VALIDATION GROUP.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING THEIR CRITERIA.

BUT I THINK IF WE BECOME ABSENT OF OUR OWN TIME TO HAVE OUR OWN DISCUSSION TO MAKE OUR OWN RECOMMENDATION IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A REAL FULL RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD.

>> ON THE 10TH CAN YOU CHECK TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE TROUBLE

SOMETIMES MEETING ON -- >> WE'VE GOT IT COVERED.

>> OKAY. >> AS LONG AS WE HAVE IT PARCELED OUT I'M OKAY ON THAT. BUT SOME WAY OR OTHER, WE HAVE TO HAVE NOW WE'VE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION, THIS IS WHAT WE

FEEL AND THEN -- >> THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED ON THE 10TH. BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE THEIR CHOICES DONE AND THEIR EVALUATION AND THEY CAN BRING IT TO US AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND MAYBE JOE WILL GET A LETTER OR SOMETHING FROM WESTREC, OR GET SOMEBODY UP HERE THAT NIGHT, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE AND THEN THEY CAN PUT THEIR TWO CENTS IN AND THE BOARD WILL BE AS WELL AND WE CAN ADD A LITTLE BIT AND WE'LL HAVE AT LEAST TWO COMMISSIONERS THAT CAN LISTEN AS WELL TOO.

>> THAT WAS WHAT I WAS THINKING A MINUTE AGO.

WE'LL ASK WESTREC TO HAVE SOME REPRESENTATION AT THAT MEETING THAT NIGHT SO WE CAN HAVE AT LEAST PICK THEIR BRAIN TO SEE HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS, ABSOLUTELY.

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>> AND WE ARE HAPPY TO SEND YOU ALL A COPY OF THE -- I KNOW THAT NATHAN SENT THE QUESTIONS BUT YOU CAN GET A COPY OF THE EVALUATION FORM THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE AND CAN YOU MAKE WHATEVER MARKS YOU WANT ON THAT. YEAH, I MEAN THAT IS HOW I UNDERSTAND US GOING FORWARD, IS YOU ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE JUST LIKE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE YOUR OWN RECOMMENDATION. IT'S GREAT IF IT MATCHES THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE. BUT I MEAN YOU ALL HAVE A VERY

IMPORTANT ROLE HERE. >> PERSONALLY, I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THE PROCESS. NOW THINK OF IT, THE OTHER NIGHT WHEN I WATCHED THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING, IT WAS 4-1, DONE DEAL. AND THE NEXT DAY OR SO, I GET THE NEWS THAT IT WASN'T DONE PROPERLY AND NOW WE HAVE TO GO BACK AGAIN. SO I FELT GOOD ABOUT THAT.

AT LEAST WE'RE GOING DO HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY HERE. BECAUSE WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE. IF IT HAD GONE WITH A 4-1 VOTE AND WE HIRED A NEW MANAGEMENT COMPANY WE WOULD HAVE HAD NO INPUT INTO THIS AT ALL. SO NOW AT LEAST WE'RE HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME INPUT. SO I'M PLEASED WITH IT.

I THINK WE'LL HAVE AT LEAST A A SAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYONE. I HOPE THIS DIDN'T GET TOO CONVOLUTED. BUT LET'S TRY TO ATTEND ON THE

6TH, WAS IT 10 A.M? >> 10 A.M. AND IT IS AT THE GOLF

COURSE. >> PLENTY OF SPACE, I THINK ALL

OF US SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IN. >> HAVE A CHANCE TO BE PRESENT.

>> I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. I'VE ALREADY PUT IT ON THE SCHEDULE SO THEN ON TO 10TH WE'LL HAVE A MEETING AND ASK WESTREC TO AT LEAST GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A PRESENTATION ON THEIR PART AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION THAT NIGHT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT NIGHT. SURE JOE.

ABOUT. >> JUST A QUESTION.

YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'RE LIMITED IN THE SPACE HERE.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE MEETING ON THE 10TH WE SHOULD ALSO INCORPORATE A ZOOM STYLE SO WE CAN HAVE PEOPLE HERE AND PEOPLE ON THE OUTSIDE THAT CHOOSE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

>> IS THAT DOABLE AT THE GOLF CLUB?

>> YES, WE HAVE THOSE CAPABILITIES.

>> VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, SHALL WE MOVE ON COME THE OLD BUSINESS, EVERYTHING IS ?SO THE OLD BUSINESS, EVERYTHING IS OLD BUSINESS, WE COMPLETED

[6.1 Amelia River Waterfront]

I THINK BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON HERE RECENTLY, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT OF MOVEMENT ON THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE. I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS ON THAT. IF NOT --

>> I DO. >> OKAY JERRY, PLEASE.

THAT WAY EVERYBODY CAN HEAR YOU. >> ANYWAY, I HAVE A FEW PEOPLE IN MY STORE THAT TALK TO ME EVERY DAY ABOUT THE MARINA.

AND I KEEP HEARING THAT DRY STORAGE IS THE ONLY WAY THIS MARINA IS EVER GOING TO MAKE ANY MONEY.

AND I KNOW THE CITY OFFICIALS KEEP SAYING THERE IS NO ROOM FOR DRY STORAGE. BUT I THINK IF THE CITY WAS MAKE MONEY WE WOULDN'T BE LOOKING FOR A NEW MANAGEMENT COMPANY, I REALLY DO. AND I THINK THAT A FEW SHOPS, RESTAURANTS ADDED TO THE WATERFRONT AND DRY STORAGE IS GOING TO BE THE ONLY ANSWER. I THINK MARINA, WESTREC IS DOING A GREAT JOB DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

I THINK THE CITY OF ARE FERNANOF FERNANDINAIS LOSING MO.

THEY THINK THEY CAN WAVE A MAGIC WAND AND SAY, MAKE MONEY.

I THINK DRY STORAGE, OR RESTAURANTS, LEASE THEM OUT OR ROOM BY THE CITY, WHATEVER. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

6.2, THE CHANNEL UPDATE. AND I WOULD MAYBE ASK COMMISSIONER ROSS IF HE HAS ANYTHING HE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE ABOUT THAT. I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME MEETINGS BETWEEN THE PORT AUTHORITY AND THE CITY RECENTLY, SOME ARBITRATION BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL.

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>> IT WAS NOT. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE WITH US A LITTLE BIT PLEASE? AND SO THIS CL CHANNEL RELOCATIN IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A STICKING POINT, ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS NOT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE PORT AUTHORITY AND THE CITY.

BUT IT COULD CHANGE. >> SURE, ANYTHING COULD CHANGE.

THERE WAS A RECENT MEDIATION. THE CITY BELIEVES THAT -- AS THEY HAVE BEEN FOR 25-PLUS YEARS, THAT THE PORT SHOULD BE PAYING WHAT IS CALLED A PILOT PAYMENT OF $50,000 A YEAR.

THEY BELIEVE THEY SHOULD NOT. WE'RE NOW GOING TO PROBABLY FILE DOWN, COULD COME TO NO CONSENSUS AND PROBABLY GOT TO GO ON TO THE NEXT STEP WHICH WOULD BE LITIGATION.

AS FAR AS MOVING THE CHANNEL, THE CITY, THE PORT WANTS THE CITY TO NOT ONLY ACCEPT LIABILITY, FOR THE PART WE WOULD CHANGE BUT FOR ANYTHING GOING FORWARD.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS GOING TO GO FORWARD.

>> I BELIEVE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE UP FOR

REELECTION? >> I BELIEVE I SHOULD STAY OUT OF THIS ONE. YES, THERE ARE.

I'LL JUST GIVE THE FACTS. THE FACTS ARE THAT THERE ARE TWO BOARD SEETLE UP. ONE IS MR. FULLWOOD'S SEAT THE INCUMBENT AND HE IS RUNNING AGAINST A FELLOW NAMED JOAM NAMED JOEZIMMERMAN. AND IT'S AN OPEN PRIMARY WHICH MEANS THAT ANY, WHETHER YOU'RE REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT OR INDEPENDENT, YOU CAN VOTE IN THAT.

I WOULD URGE THAT YOU DO. AND THAT WILL MATE YOUR DETERMINATIONS AS TO WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST FOR THE CITY.

>> I BELIEVE I READ SOMETHING WHERE ONE OF THE CANDIDATES WAS COMMENTING ON PERHAPS THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE PORT AUTHORITY COULD FIND A WAY TO WORK TOGETHER.

>> THAT WOULD BE ME. >> WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH

THEM. >> THAT WOULD BE REFRESHING --

>> I DON'T THINK THE RELUCTANCE IS ON THE PART OF THE CITY.

BASICALLY WHAT THEY SAID AT THEIR LAST MEETING, THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT UP YOA LARGE WAREHOUSE ON THEIR PROPERTY WHICH IS STEEL FRAME BUT FABRIC COVERED, IT IS 750 FEET LONG AND A COUPLE HUNDRED, 100 FEET WIDE.

IT'S A LARGE FACILITY. THEY WANT TO DO OIT WITHOUT BUILDING PERMITS. THEY JUST THINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT. THEY WANT TO TEAR DOWN WHAT IS THE CUSTOM HOUSE WHICH IS A HISTORIC BUILDING.

THEY WANT TO TEAR THAT DOWN BECAUSE IT'S EXCEEDED ITS USEFUL LIFE WAS THE QUOTE AND PUT A ROAD THROUGH THERE FOR THE PORT.

THEY WANT TO RUN ANOTHER ENTRANCE OUT DOWN ESCAMBIA STREET SO TRUCKS CAN RUN DOWN ESCAMBIA STREET.

AND ON THE LOT THAT USED TO BE WHERE THE FUEL TANKS ARE, BUY

THOSE TWO LOTS. >> OIL TANKS.

>> THING OIL TANKS, THE TANK FARM THAT WAS THERE AND PUT A WAREHOUSE WHICH IT'S ZONED FOR A WAREHOUSE BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW ALL THE CITY'S RULES ABOUT PERVIOUS SURFACE.

THEY WANT TO BUILD IT RIGHT TO THE LINE AND THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.

SO ON. SO THERE'S OTHER THINGS, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THEY WANT TO DO SO WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM. BUT THERE HAS TO BE A -- WE HAVE

TO WORK TOGETHER POP. >> ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER ROSS? NO, ALL RIGHT, WE'LL KEEP THIS

ON OUR OLD BUSINESS. >> AUTHORITY OR SOUTH, IT'S UNLIKELY TO EVER BE USED AGAIN. SO THAT MAY BE OUR BEST MANEUVER

GOING FORWARD. >> EXCUSE ME WHAT DID YOU SAY?

>> ABANDON THE CHANNEL. >> THAT'S BEEN HE JOE'S ARGUMENT

ALL ALONG. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

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WE CAN AGREE ON THINGS. >> HE ABSOLUTELY --

>> SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABANDONED 30 YEARS AGO.

>> YES IT SHOULD HAVE. >> JOE HAS DONE SOME WORK ON

THAT. >> CONSTANTLY WORKING ON IT.

>> WE'LL SEE WHA ELECTION BRINGS AND BEING THE TWO NEW IF, WHETHER THE INCUMBENTS WIN OR THERE'S NEW PEOPLE.

AND MAYBE THINGS WILL CHANGE. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> WELL, WE MAY NOT HAVE TO GET

[6.3 FEMA]

I'M NOT SURE ANYONE, MAYBE COMMISSIONER ROSS COULD SHARE THAT WITH US TOO. HE'S A WEA WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE.

>> FEMA IS WORKING ON AN APPEAL. IT WILL BE SCHEDULED AND WE'LL

GO FROM THERE. >> WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME?

>> I DON'T RAIL. >> IT'S SHORT.

>> IT'S A SHORT FUSE, COULD PUT TOGETHER --

>> IT COULD TAKE A YEAR -- >> NO NO NO NO NO.

THERE IS A MATTER OF MONTHS. BY THE END OF THE YEAR, LATE WINTER, CREDI THEY SHOULD ALL BE WORKED OUT.

>> SHOULD HAVE A DECISION. ALL RIGHT.

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THE MOORING FIELD AND THE CONDITION IT'S IN.

>> THE CONDITION IT'S IN, THE NINE BALLS THAT ARE STILL FUNCTIONAL ARE STILL FUNCTIONAL. THE DIVER HAS BEEN ABLE TO LOCATE ONE OF THE HELICAL ANCHORS.

THE MOORING FIELD, THE EXPANSION OF IT AND WHERE DO WE STAND WITH THAT? GOING BACK A WAYS, WEE HAD ONE SURVEY DONE AND THEY SAID WE THINK YOU'RE FINE TO DO IT BUT WE'LL HAVE TO TURN IT OVER TO THE STATE ARCHAEOLOGICAL GROUP TO SEE IF THEY AGREED. THEY DID NOT.

THE CITY PAID ANOTHER FARM OUT OF IS S ST. AUGUSTINE.

THEY FOUND A LOT OF DEBRIS THAT WE COULD JUSTIFY WORKING AROUND IT. BUT THERE ARE A ACTIVISM OF THINGS THEY DIDN'T FINDER, ONE WAS A PREHISTORIC RIVERBED.

YES, PREHISTORIC RIVERBED, WOULD WIND OUT TAKING OUT FIVE OF THE MOORING LAWS. FIVE TARGETS AND SEVEN TARGETS.

THE FIVE TARGETS WERE AROUND THE PREHISTORIC, THE SEVEN, COULDN'T IDENTIFY NEW SHIPWRECKS. THEY KNOW THEY ARE WOODEN IN STYLE BUT THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD GO IN ANY FURTHER IS TO DO MORE REVIEW. IF THEY GO INTO ONES THAT ARE NOT PREHISTORIC RIVERBED, IT WOULD COST ANOTHER 7 MILLION TO TELL US WE COULD PICK UP MORE. IF THEY HAVE TO GO INTO THE PREHISTORIC CHANNEL, THEY WILL HAVE TO DO CORE ANALYSIS ANOTHER 20 FEET TO SEE WHAT THEY FIND AND THAT WOULD THEN DETERMINE IF IT COULD BE USED. LOOKING AT THIS REALISTICALLY, THE VALUE OF HAVING THOSE ADDITIONAL 12 BALLS DOES NOT OFFSET THE COST TO GET THEM. WORKING WITH ATM AND THEM GOING BACK OVER THEIR MAPS AND HOW THEY WERE SETTING IT UP THEY ARE PREPARED TO MODIFY THE FOOTPRINT THAT COMPLETELY ELIMINATES THOSE AREAS OF CONCERN, CONTENTION. JUST DON'T USE THEM.

WE'LL END UP WITH 60 WHICH IS STILL 50 MORE THAN WE HAVE NOW.

PUT IN ON A ROUTINE BASIS BUT THAT IS A DECISION THAT WILL BE MADE LATER, THE TIME THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I DON'T SEE HOW ANYONE WOULD GO AHEAD WITH IT.

>> THERE ARE 12 OF THEM OUT THERE, THERE IS FOUR MORE OF THEM OUT THERE, 13 THAT DON'T HAVE BALLS ON THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE ISLAND, THEY CAN'T BE USED.

SO YOU HAVE NINE. >> I HAVE NINE.

>> I THOUGHT THERE WAS 25. >> NO.

INITIALLY, THE THE MOORING FIELD WAS SET UP FOR 20 MOORING BALLS, THAT WAS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF BALLS THAT COSH USED WHEN THE FERMENT WAS LET. RIGHT OFF THE GET-GO IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE ISLAND ITSELF HAD SLID FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD TOWARDS FERNANDINA, AND IT MADE FIVE OF THE BALLS ESSENTIALLY WORTHLESS, THERE WERE ONLY FIVE FEET OF WATER IN

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WE PUT HARD EFFORT INTO. >> YOU LOOK OUT THERE THERE IS ONE BOAT TIED UP IN THOSE NINE BALLS.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> MOST OF THE TIME, DOING THE EXPANSION I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PAY BACK IS GOING TO BE THERE.

>> WE DID THE FIGURING AND JERRY POINTED THIS OUT TO ME WHEN I WAS GIVING THAT REPORT BACK THAT THE PAY BACK WAS GOING TO BE TWO AND A HALF YEARS. BUT HE SAID THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

BECAUSE IF YOU OPENED 14 MORE MCDONALD'S ON THE CORNER THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT IS GOING TO BE 14 MORE BUSINESS, IT'S GOING TO BE SPREAD THINNER. IT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS BOARD COULD GET INVOLVED IN EARLY ON BEFORE IT GOES FURTHER TO THE CITY. THERE IS GOING TO BE EXPENSE ON IT IN ADDITION TO THE COST OF THE BALLS.

>> THERE IS MAINTENANCE ON THOSE BALLS.

>> THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE MOORING FIELD EXPANSION THOUGH IS THE NUMBER OF BOATS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING IN SEASONALLY, WHEN THE MARINA IS FULL, EVEN WITHOUT FUEL EVEN WITHOUT POWER ON SOME OF THE DOCKS SINCE WE'VE BEEN OPENED, WE HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT MANY TIMES, WE WOULD HAVE TO SEND THEM OUT TO THE ANCHORAGE.

THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THE MOORING FIELD EXPANSION IS TO ALLOW MORE BOATS ACCESS TO THE CITY TO SPEND MORE MONEY DOWNTOWN TO COME VISIT TO BE TE CONDUIT TO GET MORE PEOPLE.

>> THE REALITY OF ALL OF THESE ARCARCHAEOLOGICAL PREHISTORIC, O REMEMBER THAT HISTORICAL, THIS MARINA, SLIP RENTALS ARE ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ABOUT 35% OF THE REVENUE.

OKAY, SO SLIP RENTALS AND MOORING FIELDS WHILE THEY GIVE PEOPLE A PLACE TO PARK THEIR BOATS THEY DON'T GENERATE THE BULK OF THE REVENUE. AS I THINK PAUL OR MAYBE SCOTT POINTED OUT EARLIER. A FULL 65% OF THE REVENUE AT THIS MARINA IS NEWLY. FUEL.

IT'S BEEN THAT WAY SINCE 2012. IT VARIES A LITTLE BIT SOME YEARS AT 61, SOME YEARS AT 65 BUT IT'S ALWAYS IN THE 60S.

SO IN THE OPERATION AT THIS MARINA, 60% OF THAT NORTH CAINCOME ISFUEL. 30, 35% IS WITH THE BOATS THAT PARK THERE AND THEN WHATEVER ELSE YOU CAN HAVE ON TOP OF THAT. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE ANYWAY, THE ECONOMICS OF BUILDING UP VERY MUCH OF A MOORING FIELD

JUST ARE NOT THERE. >> HERE IS THE OTHER THING I THOUGHT ABOUT. THAT IS POLICING OF THE MOORING FIELDS. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THOSE GUYS COME IN, ANCHOR UP AND DON'T USE THE MOORING BALLS.

>> RIGHT. >> AND THEY MAY BE IN THE MIDDLE

OF THE MOORING FIELD. >> RIGHT.

>> JUST ADJACENT TO IT. >> THERE IS NO POLICING OF IT.

>> OF SOME PORTS, ST. AUGUSTINE --

>> OR THEY DON'T LET THEM COME TO THE DAILY DOCK WITHOUT A MOORING NUMBER. THAT'S HOW YOU REGULATE.

THAT PUTS THEM ON THE MOORING BALL.

>> ST. AUGUSTINE, YEARS AGO, WAS CLOSED, MOORING BALLS, THEY HAVE

QUITE A FEW THERE. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ISSUES, ARCHAEOLOGICAL, WHATEVER, THAT HAMPER OUR ABILITY. AND FINDING WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT PLACE THINGS, SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO COST MORE MONEY THAN WILL EARN BACK OVER SOME REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME I

GUESS. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. THE ONLY OTHER PART OF THAT THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY IS WHEN THOSE FOLKS COME TO THE MOORING BALLS, THEY CAN COULD, I COULD,T SAY THEY SHOULD OR THEY WOULD, STOP GET THEIR FUEL ON THE WAY OUT SO IF YOU HAVE MORE BOATS COMING TO THE FULT DOCK THERE'S YOUR 60% THAT YOU WOULD GET --

>> WE GET THAT ALREADY, WE GET THE 60%.

WHAT LITTLE WE HAVE FUEL WE'RE GETTING THAT AND I GUESS WE'RE

OPERATIONAL? >> NO, SIR WE ARE NOT.

>> WE'RE NOT. >> TWO WEEKS.

>> SO WITHIN A MONTH. >> THAT'S OUR MONEY MAKER,

THAT'S WHERE THE LAW IS. >> AND YOU'LL HAVE PEOPLE TO STOP HERE SIMPLY BECAUSE WE HAVE FUEL.

THEY'RE PASSING US BECAUSE WE DON'T.

SO THAT WAS A BIG ONE. MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS BOARD COULD TAKE A LITTLE DEEPER DIVE INTO THAT MOORING FIELD AND REALLY LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND SEE.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT.

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SO -- >> AND ON THAT SUBJECT, I THINK IT CAME UP A LITTLE EARLIER WITH MR. ACOSIC, I KNOW THE WATERFRONT PARK IS A NUMBER OF ENDLESS YEARS OF ANGST AND TURMOIL, RIGHT? BUT THE THING THAT WORRIES ME ABOUT IS THE MARINA IS HEMMED IN.

OKAY? IT'S HEMMED IN BY ITS PHYSICAL LOCATION. WE CAN'T GO NORTH VERY MUCH.

BECAUSE WE GOT THE WHOLE PROBLEM THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH THE CHANNEL. AND SO WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO VERY MUCH FURTHER NORTH.

SO WHEN YOU ASK ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO GROW THE MARINA IN THE FUTURE, WHERE ACCOUNT MARINA REACH OUT AND GO? WE CAN'T GO NORTH, CAN WE GO FURTHER SOUTH?

>> YOU HAVE AN OYSTER BAR, A MAJOR OYSTER FIELD TO THE SOUTH.

>> SO WE'RE BLOCKED TO THE SOUTH, WE'RE BLOCKED TO THE

NORTH. >> YOU WOULDN'T BE BLOCKED TO THE NORTH IF WE CAN GET THE CHANNEL --

>> THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE FIXED WITHIN OUR LIFETIME.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE BLOCKED TO THE NORTH.

AND WE'RE BLOCKED TO THE SOUTH. THAT LEAVES THE LAND.

YOUR POINT. >> IN HIS PART -- EAST OF THE

PARK. >> WHAT?

>> EAST IS THE PARK. >> PHYSICALLY, I'M WORRIED ABOUT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MARINA AND FOR HELPING MAKE SURE THE MARINA IS VIABLE AND GROWS AND HAS A GOOD FUTURE.

SO WE HAVE TO BE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO EXPAND THE MARINA.

AND YOU'RE TELLING ME ON THE WATER WE'RE PRETTY MUCH BLOCKED.

MOORING FIELD A LITTLE BIT, THAT ONLY LEAVES GOING EAST.

AND WHAT IS EAST OF THE MARINA? >> AURORA TRACK AFTER YOU GET --

>> EVERYBODY HAS GOT TO DEAL WITH THAT BUT THERE IS THAT LAND BETWEEN THE RAILROAD TRACK AND THE WATER AND IT'S THE PARK LAND I KNOW. BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT PROPOSALS COULD WE MAKE TO THE POWERS THAT BE OF THINGS THAT COULD BE BE WAYS SOME OF THAT LAND COULD BE USED

TO HELP THE MARINA. >> WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT.

>> WE'VE HAD THAT SINCE DAY 1. >> LET'S KEEP BEATING ON IT,

PERSISTENCE WINS THE DAY. >> ONE OF OUR SUGGESTIONS, FLOOD TIDE, BRING IN SOME BARGES ON TOP OF THAT OYSTER BAR, AND PUT A RESTAURANTS OR TWO ON THERE, MOST OF THE TIME THEY WOULD BE SITTING ON DRY GROUND OR REASONABLE DRY GROUND OR THEY WOULD BE ON PILINGS TO LOCK THEM IN PLACE.

AND THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO GENERATE FUNDS TO THE WEST, BECAUSE WE WOULD BE OFF THE PLANNED.

THAT OYSTER BAR HAS BEEN BUILDING AND BUILDINGS AND BUILDING FOR YEARS. THAT'S WHY IS COOK TO THE SOUTH KEEP EXTENDING THEIR PIER FURTHER OUT.

EVERY TIME YOU TURN AROUND THEY KEEP BUILDING FURTHER OUT BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEIR SHRIMPERS HAVE PROBLEMS. BY THE WAY, ON THE MOORING FIELD, THE COAST GUARD HAS TO HAVE ALL THOSE MOORING BALLS GPSED.

COAFCOAST GUARD AUXILIARY DOES T NORMALLY.

DOING ON MY TIME AND MY MONEY BECAUSE THE COAST GUARD BASICALLY HAS TOLD THE AUXILIARY WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.

SO BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WILLING TO STEP FORWARD ON THEIR OWN

NICKEL AND GET IT KNOCKED OUT. >> COLEMAN, DID YOU HAVE

SOMETHING? >> NOT TO BE THE WET BLANKET BUT JUST PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY ONLY HAS RIPARIAN RIGHTS ADJACENT TO THE UPLANDS. ANYTHING SOUTH OF THE MARINA IS OFF LIMITS. THE STATE LAWS REQUIRE BASICALLY WATER DEPENDENT USES ONLY, IT'S GOING TO ELIMINATE ARE ARE ARE RESTAURANTS, A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT GOES BACK 50 YEARS OR SOMETHING WHERE SCRIVENERS ERRORS, ANYTHING OVER THE WATER HAS TO BE WATER DEPENDENT USE. ALWAYS REMEMBER DEP IS GOING TO SAY NO, UNLESS IT'S A FISH HOUSE OR MARINA.

GOOD IDEAS BUT UNFORTUNATELY REGULATORY CONSTRAINTS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO PROHIBIT THAT. AND JUST AS A OIS THE OF SIDE,

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I DO SEE THE MERIT OF HAVING SOME UPLAND DEVELOPMENT.

I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT QUOO BENEFIT THE MARINA. BUT A IT WOULD HAVE TO BE VERY LOW KEY AND VERY MINIMAL AND THE DRY STACK I NOTICE IS A NONSTARTER, THE PARK IS PROBABLY THERE.

THE ONLY THING THAT YOU KNOW MAY BE DOWN THE ROAD WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THE POSSIBILITY OF TALKING WITH WITH THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD LEASEHOLDERS, TO SEE IF THERE IS SOMETHING.

THAT IS THE ONLY THING I WOULD THINK WOULD HAVE BREADTH, WHEN THE LEASE EXPIRES. WE'RE DOWN TO THOSE THINGS, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS SOMETHING WE CAN USE. I HATE TO SOUND LIKE A WET BLANKET BUT WE HAVE VERY LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES.

IT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS, WE'RE STUCK.

>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? COLEMAN YOU CAN STEP UP THERE, THIS MAY BE A STUPID QUESTION, MOORING FIELDS ACROSS THE WAY, HAS ANYONE THOUGHT ABOUT DROPPING SOME BALLS ON THE NORTH

SIDE IF WE CAN'T BUILD? >> AGAIN YOU COME TO -- FIRST OF ALL WE HAVE SOME RIPARIAN RIGHTS.

THE PROBLEM IS FROM AN OPERATIONS STANDPOINT, FIRST OF ALL, THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE IF WE ARE GOING DO PUT SOMETHING THERE WOULD BE DOCKS ULTIMATELY. JOE MAY WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. THERE IS PRACTICAL REASONS MOORINGS BEING THAT CLOSE TO SHORE.

AND I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.

IT IS GOOD DEEP WATER THAT IS THE OTHER THING.

IF WE COULD PUT SOMETHING IN THERE I WOULD BE PUSHING TOWARDS DOCKS IF WE EVER GOT THE CORE SITUATION OUT OF THE WAY.

I THINK WE WOULD GET MORE GANG FOR OUR OBUCKS THAN IF WE PUT

MOORING OVER THERE. >> MARIAN PHILLIPS.

I LIVE AT 724, SOUTH 6TH STREET, FERNANDINA BEACH.

I'M HUNDREDDING FOR CITY COMMISSION CREDIT GROUP 1, I'M PLANNING TO WIN. I SAY WHO I WANT TO SAY, I DON'T CARE. THE REASONING, IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO REMEMBER ABOUT OUR SHRIMPERS AND WE NEED TO REMEMBER ABOUT THOSE SHRIMP BOATS.

IF THEY COME IN THEY ARE GOING DO GET FUEL.

THOSE BOATS NEED TO COME BACK. WE ARE THE BIRTH PLACE OF THE MODERN SHRIMPING INDUSTRY. PEOPLE WANT TO SEE THOSE BOATS.

THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE OTHER BUILDINGS DOWN THERE.

SO I'M SAYING THAT, PUTTING IT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT COME HELL AND HIGH WATER, SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, WHEN I'M ELECTED I'M GOING TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> I GUESS WE CAN MOVE THE AWAY FROM THE MOORING FIELD.

>> THE MOORING FIELD WAS OUR TOP TOPIC.

I THINK WE DO UNDERSTAND WHERE IT IS, WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT THE FUTURE COULD HOLD FOR US. I WOULD RECOMMEND TONIGHT THAT IF EACH OF US IF WE HAVE A MINUTE TO DELVE INTO THAT MOORING FIELD A LITTLE MORE, UNDERSTAND IT A PLIBILITYD MORE.

THERE IS A VALUE TO EXPANDING IT.

THE PERMITTING WAS PRETTY CLOSE BEFORE.

>> PERMITTING WAS PUT IN PLACE FOR THE HUNDRED, IT WENT DOWN TO

THE 72. >> NOW WE'RE TALKING 50-60ISH.

>> RIGHT, THAT PERMIT HASTE LAPSED, IT HAS TO BE REEVALUATED NOT TO THE DEGREE IT WAS THE FIRST TIME AROUND BUT THEY WILL NOT GIVE THE CITY OKAY CONTINUE WITH YOUR PLAN, TOO MUCH HAS HAPPENED, PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE CHANGED SO WE'VE GOT TO STEP

BACK A FEW STEPS TO GO FORWARD. >> BUT DO WE REALLY WANT TO DO THAT AT THIS POINT? DO WE DECIDE THAT THAT IS

ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE? >> DO WE KNOW ENOUGH --

>> I THINK NOT. >> DO WE KNOW ENOUGH TO EVEN INCREASE IT TO 20? I DON'T KNOW.

>> I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH.

>> WE CAN INCREASE I.T. TO 20. PUTTING IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS THEY WOULD HAVE TO GLO BACK TO THE POSITIONS THEY WERE IN AND

THEY STILL HAVE SAND IN THEM. >> I CAN MAYBE HYPOTH HEM YOU G.

WHY DON'T I GET ALL THE -- BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO -- I WILL PUT TOGETHER A PACT PACKET OF STUFF THAT HAS BEEN DONE ON THE MOORING FIELD AND I'LL SEND IT OUT.

>> APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. >> THE QUESTION WAS WHERE COULD WE GO? HERE IS WHAT, INSIDE THE SHALLOW LINE TO THE SHORE INSIDE THE CHANNEL ITSELF IS WHERE THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH CAN APPLY TO HAVE MOORING BALLS PUT IN, ALL

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SO IT ENDS UP COMING DOWN, THERE IS THE ORIGINAL, MOORING FIELD ITSELF, THESE SILTED IN, THESE SILTED IN OVER HERE WE HAVE GOT THIS GROUP OF THEM RIGHT IN HERE.

WE WOULD END UP GOING A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH AND WE WOULD END UP GOING BETWEEN THE TWO ISLANDS, TO GET MORE USE OF THOSE. AND THEN THAT WOULD ALSO BE PRICED, THE CLOSER YOU ARE TO US REQUEST MORE IT WOULD COST TO BE THERE. JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW THAT IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S A COOL PICTURE.

>> HAS ANYONE NOTICED THAT THERE HAS BEEN A SHOALING PROBLEM ON

THAT POINT?% >> ON THE POINT.

>> YES THERE IS. >> IT'S REALLY BAD.

>> I RAN AGROUND THE OTHER DAY THREE FEET OF WATER.

>> IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S WAY OUT THERE.

>> JUST SOUTH OF THE MARKER, 14. >> PASSED OVER IT ON MY LITTLE OUTRIGGER CANOE, IT WAS SHALLOW. I JUST HAVE A REAL QUICK QUESTION. WHO DOES THE DETERMINATION BETWEEN WHAT'S HISTORICALLY OF VALUE UNDERNEATH THE WATER?

>> THE STATE OF FLORIDA. >> STATE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

>> SUBMERGED LAND LEASING THAT HAS TO BE DONE IF YOU DON'T PHYSICALLY OWN THE LAND THEN YOU MUST LEASE IT FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA CONTINUOUSLY, AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT DETERMINE

WHETHER YOU CAN USE IT OR NOT. >> THINK OF IT, THIS AREA IS RICH IN HISTORY. THERE IS NO TELLING WHAT THEY COULD FIND AND THEY HAVE PICTURES IS THE REPORT THAT CAME BACK DO US, WITH THEIR FANCY DANCY ELECTRONICS.

YOU CAN SEE THE SAILBOAT SITTING ON ITS SIDE, THE CRAB BOAT, I THINK THEY HIT 116 TARGETS TOTAL AND THEY WERE ABLE TO ELIMINATE

MOST OF THEM. >> I MEAN THE S ST. JOSEPH'S CREEK IS CALLED THAT, BECAUSE ST. JOSEPH THAT WAS SUNK IN

1817. >> I WASN'T THERE, I DIDN'T DO

IT. >> I HATE TO SAY THIS BUT I HAVE SEEN SOME ARTIFACTS THAT WERE PULLED FROM THERE.

THAT'S ILLEGAL TO DO THAT BUT THE PEOPLE KNEW IT WAS THERE THEY DOVE ON IT AND THEY BROUGHT UP SOME INTERESTING ARTIFACTS OFF OF THAT SHIP RIGHT THERE AT THE MOUTH OF THAT CREEK.

THAT'S WHY THE CREEK IS CALLED ST. JOSEPH IS BECAUSE OF THE

SUNKEN SHIP. >> ALL RIGHT MOORING FIELD, WE'LL HAVE DR. ROSS TAKE A LOOK AT IT, DO A LITTLE STUDY.

>> I WON'T LOOK AT ANYTHING. I'LL GET THE STUFF SENT TO YOU.

[8. MARINA MANAGER REPORT]

>> ALL RIGHT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS TONIGHT.

ABOUT WE HAVE THE MARINA MANAGER'S REPORT.

>> WE HAVE GONE BACK TO DEP FOR OUR UST UNDERGROUND TANK CERTIFICATION. WE ARE READY TO GO FROM THAT.

WE ARE WAITING FOR THE GO FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING IT TO LET US KNOW. WE DID DO A PRESSURE TEST ON THE TANKS TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE LAST THREE AND A HALF FOUR YEARS THEY HADN'T FOUND ANY PIN HOLES OR ANY PROBLEMS WITH THEM.

THAT TEST WAS SUCCESSFUL AND NOW WE HAVE HAD GATE HAS COME IN AND PUT A THOUSAND GALLONS OF GAS AND A THOUSAND GALLONS OF DIESEL IN THE TANKS IN THE GROUND SO THAT THEY CAN START CHECKING ALL THE LINES ALL THE WAY, THE VDER ROUTE IS THE ALARM SYSTEM FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD FOR THE MOUNTING PROCESS.

IT WAS MOUNTED TODAY, BILL LOVES THE TOWN BUT HE'S READY TO BE

DONE. >> HOW DOES THE FUEL GET PAID FOR? IS IT ON CONTRACT? IT IS A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF FUEL.

>> CORRECT. >> IS THAT PAID FOR OR PAID

LATER? >> PAID AFTER DELIVERY WITHIN 48 HOURS OR IN THE NEXT -- THE CITY PAYS THAT MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN EVERY DIME THAT COMES OFF WITH WESTREC'S ARRANGEMENTS EVERY DIME THAT COMES OFF OF THAT FUEL GOES STRAIGHT INTO THE CITY'S COV CITY'S COFFERS.

>> WHAT'S THE ESTIMATED TIME FOR FUEL?

>> SIR I'M NOT GOING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

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SOMEONE SAID IT EARLIER TONIGHT, I'M GOING TO LET IT GO WITH THAT

ONE. >> WHAT IS THE FLOW RATE GOING

TO BE? >> SAME.

>> SAME PUMPS. >> SAME PUMPS THAT WENT OUT ARE THE SAME PUMPS COMMENTING BACK IN.

>> THE PUMPS ARE HIGH SPEED PUMPS?

>> DPLOS, IT'S THE SAME PUMPS THAT THEY WERE.

>> I WAS AFRAID YOU WERE GOING TO SAY THAT.

>> 24 GALLONS PER MINUTE AND THE GAS IS COMPANY.

>> WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG YACHT COMING IN THAT HAS SOME MONEY

THEY WANT HIGH SPEED PUMPS. >> WHENEVER WE KNEW A BIG YACHT WAS COMING IN, WE WOULD SCHEDULE THEM LATE AFTERNOON, EARLY EVENING AND POSITION IT SO HE COULD TAKE DIESEL FROM THREE DIFFERENT DISPENSERS, WE HAD ONE BOAT COME IN STAYED ALL NIGHT TOOK ON $29,000 WORTH OF FUEL JUST BY PUMPING ALL FIGHT.

HE LOVED IT, WE DID TOO. >> AND WE'LL HAVE THREE DIESELS

AND TWO GAS. >> WHAT WE HAD BEFORE BUT WHAT WE ARE DOING THIS TIME IS REMOVING EVERYTHING OFF OF THE COMMON AREA AROUND WHERE THE STORE WAS, PUSHING IT DOWN TO THE OTHER, WORKING ENVIRONMENT THERE, WE'RE NOT PUTTING BOATS ON THE INSIDE OR THE OUTSIDE, BIG BOATS WITH DIESEL, SMALL BOATS WITH GAS AND THAT WILL BE THE WORK AREA, THERE WON'T BE ANY REASON FOR ANYBODY TO GO THERE.

THOSE LINES, OH IT'S SCARY EVERY TIME IT HAPPENED.

BUT WE'LL CURTAIL THE ACTIVITY DOWN THERE FOR THE PASSER BYES.

>> SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO RENT THAT DOCK SPACE ON THE INSIDE?

>> WE ARE GOING TO RENT IT AS TRAN CHENT DOCK AN.

NOT REAL TIME. EVERY WHY DOCK ON THE MARINA IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A BOAT IN IT IS TRANSIENT WAITING TO BE FILLED.

>> IS THAT YOUR REPORT JOE? >> THAT'S IT.

[9. BOARD MEMBER REPORTS/COMMENTS]

>> BOARD MEMBERS REPORTS, ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING TO SHARE WITH US,

CARE TO? >> ONE THING IN THE PARKING, MARINA, COUPLE OF THE MARKERS THEY HAVE FOR WHERE YOU PARK YOUR TRAILER AND ALL THAT, THEY BUSTED UP THE REBAR IS STICKING OUT, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO TRIP. I GOT PICTURES OF IT, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO TRIP OR MAJOR LAWSUIT TO THE CITY.

I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THAT.

>> PLEASE SEND IT TO ME AND I'LL FORWARD IT INTO THE FACILITY SO THEY CAN DETERMINE THE BEST WAY TO GET IT REPAIRED.

>> AND THE EITHER DAY, WHEN WE HAD THAT BIG RAINSTORM AT THE VENTURA BUILDING, WHERE THE DRAIN COMES OUT AT FRONT STREET, THE RAIN IS COMING THROUGH ALL THE CULVERT, SO THAT MAY BE WHY THE ROAD IS DIPPING. YOU NEVER SEE IT UNTIL IT IS

EXTREMELY LOW TIDE. >> IF YOU SHARE THOSE WITH ME I'LL SHARE THEM BACK TO THE BOBOARD.

>> AND PRICE OF EROSION, WHY THE ROAD IS DROOPING A LITTLE BIT.

THAT'S ONLY THING I HAVE TO SAY. >> ANYONE ELSE?

PAUL? >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS YOU PUT THE MOORING FIELD BACK ON THERE.

>> WHAT'S THAT? >> THANKS FOR PUTTING THE

MOORING FIELD BACK ON THERE. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? OKAY, GOOD.

DO YOU JOE, PLEASE. >> ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THE PEOPLE OF FERNANDINA NEED TO REALIZE IS THE CITY IS IN TWO PARTS. YOU HAVE AN EASTERN OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND YOU HAVE THE WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

AND HISTORICALLY WHENEVER RAILROAD CROSSINGS ARE REPAIRED OR BUILT OR WHATEVER, THE CITY, IN THEIR INFINITE WHICH DOME, NEVER HAS CONDUIT PUT UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD TRACKS FOR COMMUNICATIONS FOR POWER OR ALL KINDS OF STUFF.

EVERY TIME WHENEVER ASH STREET WAS REBUILT THE MARINA HAD FOUR INCH STAINLESS STEEL PIPE PULLED OUT, AS EXCESS IN THE FIRE MAIN SYSTEM AND WE TRIED TO GET THE CITY TO PUT IT UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND THEY SAID IT'S NOT DPLT CONTRACT.

WHEN THEY DO A LODGE UP, I WOULD HOME, IT'S VERY HARD TO GET STUFF FOR THE MARINA IF YOU CAN'T GET IT PAST THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THERE IS NO CONDUIT ANYWHERE AROUND THERE, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET HIGH SPEED INTERNET TO THE MARINA BUT THE ONLY WAY CAN I DO IT IS WITH AN ANTENNA FROM SOMEPLACE TO SOMEPLACE ELSE. YOU CAN'T RUN IT THROUGH CONDUIT

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I DON'T KNOW WHY NO ONE THINKS ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN TWO SIDES OF THE RAILROAD TRACK. THAT'S MY TWO CENTS.

THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE SOMETHING JOY?

[Items 10 & 11: 10. NEXT MEETING DATE 11. ADJOURNMENT]

>> SO THE NEXT MEETING DATE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I'M TO SCHEDULE ONE FOR THE 10TH THE SPECIAL MEETING.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> AND THEN WE FOLLOW THROUGH ON

THE 24TH, IS THAT IT? >> YES.

>> SO I'LL GET BOTH OF THEM OUT THERE.

THE T 10TH AND THE 24TH, WHAT I'LL DO AND I'LL SEND REMINDERS

ON THE 6TH FOR EVERYONE. >> AND WE'LL ASK JOE TO REACH OUT TO WESTREC TO SEE IF THEY WILL GIVE US A LITTLE PRESENTATION ON THE 10TH THEN. VERY GOOD.

IF THAT'S

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