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>>> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE JULY 8 PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD REGULAR MEETING. MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU COULD CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

GOOD. WE WILL GET STARTED. LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. EVERYONE PLEASE STAND. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD.

INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> HOLD ON JUST A SECOND.

OKAY. BEFORE WE GO INTO THE NEXT ITEM WHICH IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE JUST A SECOND TO SAY THIS IS A DIFFERENT BOARD THEN WAS HERE A MONTH AGO. WE ARE NOW A BOARD OF SEVEN MEMBERS. WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO VACANCIES AND I WOULD LIKE TO FORMALLY WELCOME THE TWO NEW MEMBERS AS FULL-TIME VOTING MEMBERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE WANTED AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE COMMISSION.

GOOD JOB, EVERYBODY. NOW WE CAN WORK AS A FULL VOTING TEAM.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE WELCOME. DID ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY UM, THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING AS CHAIR. AND THE FIRST VIRTUAL ONE.

IF I MISS THAT. I APOLOGIZE UP FRONT. WE WILL TRY TO UM KEEP THIS ON PACE AND KEEP US MOVING FORWARD. APPROVAL OF THE JUNE 10 MINUTES. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR

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COMMENTS? I THINK MR. STEVENSON HAD HIS HANDS UP.

>> WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AS WRITTEN. >> THANK YOU.

A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE. >> SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. >> HAVE A QUESTION?

>> YES. >> LLC WHERE I AM RECORDED AS VOTING.

EVEN THOUGH I MADE THE MOTION, SHOULD NOT BE SHOWN THAT I MADE A VOTE? WHAT MY VOTE WAS LET'S SEE, THAT WOULD BE RIGHT ABOVE THE BOARD BUSINESS WHERE ACTION WAS TAKEN.

I WOULD LIKE TO ADD MY NAME AS A "YES" THAT WAS MY VOTE. THE SECOND MOTION MADE BY MEMBER BENNETTS, I VOTED YES, AS WELL. IF I COULD JUST HAVE THAT NOTED PLEASE?

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYMORE CHANGES? ALL RIGHT.

ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR OF PASSING THE MINUTES, SAY I. OPPOSED FIVE OKAY.

THE MINUTES WERE APPROVED. THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS PAB 2020-0006, NICK GILLETT, SIMMONS

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9, LLC, 400 SOUTH EIGHTH STREET. FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 400 SOUTH

EIGHTH STREET. AT THIS POINT, YES, SIR? >> I THINK WE HAVE SOME OLD

BUSINESS THAT WE AT LEAST NEED TO ADDRESS. >> WHAT WOULD THAT BE?

>> ONE OF THEM WAS NOTED IN OUR MINUTES THAT WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS MORE DETAIL, THE OUTDOOR DISPLAYS AND TVS, AT THIS MEETING. THE OTHER ONE WAS, WE DID

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RECEIVE A LETTER THAT WAS IN REGARDS TO SOME OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, SPECIFICALLY THE WATER TRUCK THAT THE MILL YOUR CONSERVATORY HAD PROPOSED. AND, UM, I THINK WE ARE TO BRING UP, BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE. I THINK AYBE WE OUGHT TO AT

LEAST DISCUSS IT. IT SHOULDN'T TAKE LONG. >> WOULD IT BE ALL RIGHT IF WE HELD IT UNTIL BOARD BUSINESS? WE HAVE MANY PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK TO THESE NEW BUSINESS

ITEMS. >> YEAH, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING CRITICAL.

I WOULD SAY PROCEED. >> LET'S MOVE THOSE TWO ISSUES UNDER BOARD BUSINESS, AND THEN WE WILL PROCEED WITH THE NEW BUSINESS OF THE COTTAGES. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO

KELLY. >> ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO GIVE JACOB THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE

THE STAFF REPORT. >> KELLY, CAN YOU MAKE ME THE HOST? GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. TONIGHT I WILL BE PRESENTING EVIDENCE TO THE RECORD FOR PAB 2020-0006. A FINAL PLAT APPROVAL FOR COTTAGES AT AMELIA. I WILL SUBMIT MY STAFF REPORT AS EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD AND GET A RUN THROUGH WITH A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. TONIGHT'S REQUEST IS REALLY A RE- PLAT OF A PORTION OF CITY BLOCK 134 ON SOUTH EIGHTH STREET.

AS MENTIONED, THE OWNER IS SIMMONS 9 LLC, REPRESENTED BY NICK GILLETT AND ASSOCIATES, MRS WELL. THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED WITH AN EIGHTH STREET AND MIXED USE FUTURE. IT IS NOW SITTING VACANT AFTER THE RECENTLY DEMOLISHED TAYLOR BUILDING WAS TAKEN DOWN. AS PART OF THE SUMMARY OF REQUEST, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL FOR A 20 LOT TOWNHOME SUBDIVISION. DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE WILL CONSIST OF 10, TO UNIT HOLDINGS WITH REAR LOADING GARAGE ACCESS, SINGLE OR SHARED OFF OF DADE STREET. THE COTTAGES OF AMELIA RE- PLAT IS THE FIRST READ VELTMAN PROJECT ALONG THE EIGHTH STREET CORRIDOR. THE MIXED-USE LAND USE DESIGNATION WAS CREATED IN 2016 AFTER YEARS OF DISCUSSION AROUND CREATING A VIBRANT MIXED-USE CORRIDOR FOR THE GATEWAY INTO DOWNTOWN FERNANDINA BEACH. ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND ON THAT REVITALIZATION EFFORT CAN BE FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. AND I WANT TO KNOW, FOR THE RECORD, ALL REQUIRED APPLICATION MATERIALS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED. ALL FEES HAVE BEEN PAID AND ALL NOTICES HAVE BEEN MADE. THIS IS SHOWING THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED THROUGH THE CITY'S TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. THIS IS A SNIP OF THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS PART OF THE FULL SET OF PLANS, AS PART OF THE RECORD.

THIS IS THE ACTUAL FINAL PLAT SUBDIVISION PLAT FOR THE COTTAGES OF AMELIA.

INCLUDED AS PART OF THE BACKUP MATERIAL. I'M NOT POLICY 1.02, 1.02.03.

1.07.08. 10.08.05. THE PROPOSED VELTMAN IS CONSISTENT WITH PLANS DIRECTION OR COMPACT URBAN DEVELOPMENT WHICH MAXIMIZES THE USE OF EXISTING FACILITIES. THE EIGHTH STREET MIXED-USE DISTRICT WAS INTENDED TO BE FLEXIBLE DISTRICT AND ALLOW FOR STANDALONE AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. THIS CITY HAS FIVE FACILITY -- PUBLIC FACILITIES THAT HAVE ADOPTED LEVELS OF SERVICE; TRANSPORTATION, WATER, SEWER, DRAINAGE AND SOLID WASTE.

COMPLIANCE WITH THESE LEVELS OF SERVICE HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND CONFIRMED BY THE CITY'S TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. ALL PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND EACH OF THOSE SERVICES CAN BE MAINTAINED THE NASSAU COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT ENTERED INTO A PUBLIC SCHOOL CONCURRENCY FOR PUBLIC SHARE AND MITIGATION AGREEMENT

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WITH SIMMONS 9 LLC, REQUIRING FULFILLING FOR 10.08.05. PUBLIC FACILITIES ARE EVALUATED AS PART OF THE FUTURE.

AVAILABILITY TO SERVE THOSE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY AND COMMERCIAL INTENSITIES AS CONSISTENT WITH EACH ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE. CONSISTENCY WITH THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODE. 4.02.06 AND 11.01.05, SUBDIVISION PLAT REQUIREMENTS.

THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE HOUSE AND SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOP MY CODES. THE PER LUMINARY PLAT WHICH IS THE SITE PLAN AND AN ENGINEERING COMPONENT WAS COMPLIANT WITH THE FINAL PLAT APPLICATION BECAUSE IT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON EXISTING STREETS, INCLUDING A PRIMARY ARTERIAL ROAD LOCATED ON SOUTH EIGHTH STREET.

THE DEVELOPMENT HAS ACCESS TO EXISTING WATER AND SEWER LINES. NO NEW INFRASTRUCTURE IS REQUIRED TO SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT, AND NO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC RIGHTS-OF-WAY ARE CONSIDERED FOR DEDICATION TO THE CITY. INDIVIDUAL LOTS WILL HAVE ACCESS FROM SOUTH EIGHTH STREET AND SOUTH NINTH STREET. HOWEVER, VEHICULAR ACCESS IS FROM A SINGLE POINT OF ENTRY ON DADE STREET. THIS DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ENABLES LESS CURB CUTS ON EXISTING RIGHTS-OF-WAY. THE FINAL PLAT AGAIN HAS BEEN REVIEWED FOR TECHNICAL COMPLIANCE AND RECEIVED FINAL SIGNOFF FROM THE CITY'S TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE ON JUNE 24 OF THIS YEAR. IN CONCLUSION I REQUEST THE FINAL PLAT, RE- PLAT OF A PORTION OF THE CITY IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S PLAN AND LAND OF ELEMENT CODE. THEREFORE, I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS FINAL PLAT.

FOR PURPOSES, FOLLOWING THE RECOMMENDATION OF PAB, THE FINAL PLAT WILL MOVE FORWARD TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION. FINAL APPROVAL, THE FINAL PLAT WILL BE RECORDED WITH THE NASSAU COUNTY CLERK OF COURT. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, WITH THE BOARD, OR ANYBODY THAT HAS QUESTIONS OF ME AT THIS TIME.

>> DO YOU WANT TO RAISE YOUR HANDS, OKAY. MR. STEVENSON?

>> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THINGS. I THINK THEY HAD A LIMITED NOT

TO EXCEED 18 UNITS, HOUSING UNITS PER ACRE, AM I CORRECT? >> YES, SIR.

>> ALL RIGHT. IF I DID THE MATH, THIS IS WHERE ANY SIMPLIFICATION.

I THINK, RIGHT NOW, THE LAND THAT IS FOR DISCUSSION IS ONLY 1.03 ACRES, TECHNICALLY YOU NEED

1.11 ACRES TRADE IN I MISSING SOMETHING HERE? >> YES, SIR, I'M HAPPY TO EXPLAIN. THE CITY DEFINES NET DENSITY, IN THAT DEFINITION WE HAVE A PROVISION THAT ALLOWS FOR HALF OF THE ADJOINING RIGHT AWAY TO BE INCLUDED IN NEXT REGULATION.

YOU ARE CORRECT, THE PARCEL IS JUST OVER AN ACRE, WITH THE INCLUSION OF THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY INTO THE CALCULATION. THE PARCEL CAN ACTUALLY SUPPORT 25 DWELLING UNITS.

THEY ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND USE DESIGNATION, MAXIMUM DENSITY TO 18 DWELLING UNITS.

>> I FIGURE YOU GUYS HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS, I JUST NEED CLARIFICATION FOR MY OWN

KNOWLEDGE. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER'S HAVE QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

>> JACOB, THERE WERE GARAGES WITH THIS PROJECT, WEREN'T THERE >> YES, MA'AM.

>> THEY WOULD ACCESS THAT THIS SCRATCH OF THIS INTERIOR RIGHT AWAY?

>> YES, MA'AM. IT WILL NOT BE A RIGHT DEDICATED TO THE CITY, IT IS A SHARED ACCESS DRIVEWAY. YES, MA'AM, THAT IS HOW THEY WILL ENTER THE GARAGE IS THROUGH

THAT SHARED DRIVEWAY OFF OF DADE STREET. >> OKAY.

SO, AS WAS JUST A MENTION IN YOUR SUMMARY, WE WON'T HAVE TRAFFIC SLAMMING OPERATES ON

EIGHTH STREET TO TURN INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT THEN? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> WOULD JUST THE BE NORMAL ACCESS TO AUXILIARY ROAD? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> I NOTICE THERE WAS A LETTER ASKING FOR SOME RELIEF ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

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HELP ME WITH THAT. IT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING.

>> YES, MA'AM, THERE IS A LETTER INCLUDED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION MATERIALS SEEKING SOME HARDSHIP RELIEF THROUGH PROVISION IN OUR CODE, UNDER THE LANDSCAPE SECTION WHICH CALLS OUT FOR A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE PER UM SHADE TREE.

THE PROPOSAL IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, WITH THE PROPOSAL THEY ARE MEETING OUR LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, EXCEPT FOR UM THEY HAD TO HAVE THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE COMPONENT, BASED ON ALL OF THE

FACTORS OF THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT SITE. >> IS THAT ON UM EIGHTH STREET, OR IS THAT ON ONE OF THE SIDE STREETS? WHERE WITHOUT UM -- WHAT ARE THEY ASKING FOR THAT RELIEF FOR? THERE IS A SIDEWALK, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE A SIDEWALK, AND THEN THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF, I ASSUME THERE WILL BE FRONT DOORE OFF OF EIGHTH STREET?

>> THERE WILL BE FRONT DOORS ON EIGHTH STREET. >> THERE IS NO PARKING ON EIGHTH

STREET THEN? >> NO, MA'AM. >> OKAY.

SO YOU HAVE THE SIDEWALK AND YOU HAVE SOME LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF EACH HOUSE? IS THERE A PICTURE OF WHAT ONE OF THESE HOUSES LOOKS LIKE FROM THE STREET VIEW?

>> NO, MA'AM, NOT AT THIS TIME. AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS WE DO NOT REQUIRE

RENDERINGS, AND THEY HAVE NOT PROPOSED ANY RENDERINGS. >> THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

BUT, OKAY. WHERE THEY ARE ASKING FOR RELIEF, IS THAT ON THE FRONT, OR

IS THAT ON THE SIDES? >> IT IS IN VARIOUS PLACES ON THE SITE.

THE BUILDINGS ARE STAGGERED ON EIGHTH STREET. THEY SHIFT EAST AND WEST SLIGHTLY AS YOU MOVE NORTH AND SOUTH ON EIGHTH STREET. THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE THEY'VE GOT THE REQUIREMENT, AND OTHERS WHERE THE ARBORIST DECIDED IT WASN'T NECESSARY FOR THAT STRICT 250 SQUARE-FOOT REQUIREMENT BASED ON THE TYPE TREES IS THAT THEY ARE PLANTING THERE. TREES WHICH MEET OUR DEFINITION OF SHADE TREE.

>> THIS IS A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF SHADE TREES? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> OKAY. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS? AS I LOOK AT THIS PLAT, HAVE A QUESTION. TO THE SOUTH OF THE PLAT, THERE WILL BE SOME GREEN SPACE, RIGHT?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> AND THEN ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE UM CORNER THERE, THAT WILL

ALL BE SAWED IN THERE WILL BE LANDSCAPING IN THEIR? >> YES, MA'AM.

TOWARD THE END OF THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT. >> UM, THEN THERE IS ALSO SPACE FOR PLANTING UM ON FACING NINTH STREET AT THE CORNER OF NINTH AND DADE?

THAT WILL BE OPEN SPACE THERE AS WELL? >> THE CORNER OF NINTH AND DADE

IS NOT PART OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL. >> THAT IS A SEPARATE PARCEL?

>> YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.

ANYONE ELSE ON THE BOARD? JENNY? >> UM, HONESTLY I WOULD ASSUME THEY HAVE AN HOA. WOULD THEY BE ONLY USED FOR RESIDENTIAL, OR ANY TYPE OF

COMMERCIAL ASPECT? >> THERE WILL BE AN HOA, WHICH IS PART OF UM THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THEIR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. THEY WILL HAVE UM AN HOA THAT MANAGES THE LANDSCAPE COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT. THESE ARE PROPOSED AS STRICTLY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. UM, MIXED USE WOULD NOT BE FEASIBLE, BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE MIXED-USE AREAS. THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL CONSIST OF UM, ONLY RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOMES AND THE PERMISSIBLE UM HOME OCCUPATIONS THAT ONE COULD HAVE

IT ANY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS? >> YES AREA.

>> YES, MR. STEVENSON? >> MY QUESTION IS MORE ONE OF GUEST PARKING.

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BASED ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON THE DRAWINGS, THERE DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE ANY, YOU KNOW, ANY SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PARKING. MY CONCERN IS, MAYBE IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT ARE AROUND THAT GENERAL VICINITY AS WELL AS THE BUSINESSES ON THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDE ON 8TH STREET, IS THERE ANY STUDY OR PROVISION THAT MAY CONCERN THE IMPACT OF GUEST PARKING?

>> UM, THE PROVISIONS OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CALL FOR TWO SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT. THE PLAN HAS DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE DEPTHS OF A TYPICAL PARKING SPACE, AS WELL. EACH UNIT HAS A TWO-CAR GARAGE, AND THEN EACH WILL HAVE A VERY IN LENGTH, AS YOU CAN SEE, TYPICALLY A TWO-CAR SPACE DRIVEWAY FOR EACH UNIT.

HE WOULD HAVE TO STACK CARS, BUT EACH OF THE REAR DRIVEWAYS WILL ACCOMMODATE PARKING.

>> OKAY. I WAS -- I WAS A LITTLE UNSURE LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL PLAT.

YOU ARE SAYING THERE IS EXTERIOR ROOM EFFORT, TWO ADDITIONAL CARS BESIDES THOSE IN THE GARAGE?

>> CORRECT. BEHIND THE GARAGE THERE IS ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR PARKING IN

EACH OF THE UNITS. >> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT WE WILL CLOSE THIS FOR THE BOARD RIGHT NOW. WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THE APPLICANT IS HERE, AS WELL. AND THEN UM, ONCE WE HEAR FROM ALL OF THE PUBLIC, AND THE APPLICANTS, THEN WE CAN COME BACK AS A BOARD AND FINALIZE ANY QUESTIONS WE MIGHT HAVE. WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.

I'M SORRY? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE DECIDED THAT SHE HAD BUT ARE THESE GOING TO BE CELLS -- FOR SALE OR ARE THESE RENTALS?

>> THIS IS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, CAN WE HOLD YOUR QUESTION UNTIL AFTER THE APPLICANT GIVES HIS PRESENTATION. PERHAPS THAT WILL BE ANSWERED.

>> I'M SORRY. >> WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> J LOTT, 1934 SUNRISE DRIVE.

WE RELY ON STAFF'S REPORT. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.

FOR THAT QUESTION, THESE WILL BE UNITS FOR SALE. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, BY THE BOARD? >> YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE

HERE IN ATTENDANCE. >> FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE ROOM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? IF YOU WOULD, COME UP TO THE PODIUM, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS AND THEN WE WOULD BE GLAD TO HEAR FROM YOU. >> WE ARE WORKING WITH PEOPLE IN

THE ROOM, FIRST AND THEN WE WILL GET TO THE PEOPLE ON THE PHONE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> MY NAME IS ELOISE HARRIS, I LIVE AT 418 SOUTH NINTH STREET. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT SINCE 1963. I AM CONCERNED. IF THE ZONING IS GOING TO BE CHANGED ON THAT STREET, OR IS IT GOING TO STILL CONTINUE TO BE RESIDENTIAL?

>> THE QUESTION WAS RAISED WILL THE ZONING BE RESIDENTIAL, THE ZONING ALLOWS FOR BOTH COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL ALLOWANCES. TO OCCUPY THAT SPACE.

BUT THE PROPOSAL THAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION IS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF SINGLE-FAMILY TOWNHOME UNITS

WHICH WILL BE PURELY RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE. >> THE ZONING WAS CHANGED IN 2016 TO BE MIXED-USE. WHICH MEANS IT CAN BE BOTH RESIDENTIAL, AND BUSINESS.

I THINK THAT CHICKEN PART OF NINTH STREET, AS WELL AS THE 8TH STREET CORRIDOR.

>> THAT IS TRUE, BUT LOOKING AND BEING THERE, I CAN'T SEE WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS FROM NINTH

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STREET. I LIVE ON NINTH STREET. WHERE ARE Y'ALL, I MEAN, WHERE IS THIS DEVELOPMENT GOING TO ENTER. WILL WILL -- WHERE WILL THE

RESIDENCE ENTER? >> ON DADE STREET. >> ON DADE STREET? OKAY. THERE'S A LOT OF SHRUBBERY ON THE CORNER OF DADE STREET.

HOW WILL THEY ENTER IF THAT PROPERTY HAS NOT BEEN SOLD TO THE CITY?

>> WELL, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ALLIE, ON THE PROPERTY FROM DADE STREET SO EVERYBODY FACING EIGHTH AND NINTH WILL COME INTO THE ALLEY AND TURN INTO THE GARAGE.

THAT PROPERTY, ON THE CORNER, IS NOT PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT WILL STAY LIKE IT IS.

>> IT HASN'T BEEN SOLD TO THE DEVELOPER? >> NOT THAT WE ARE AWARE OF.

>> OKAY, BUT FROM MY POINT OF VIEW OF LOOKING FOR MY HOUSE TO WHERE ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO OCCUR, MOST OF THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE COMING FROM 8TH STREET ONTO NINTH?

>> WE HAVE A MAP, CAN WE SHOW HER THE MAP? >> HERE IS 8TH STREET.

YOU TURN ON DADE, WHICH INTERSECTS WITH 93 HERE. THIS IS THAT VACANT PARCEL, IT IS WOODED. WE ARE GOING TO BRING AN ALLEY AND RIGHT HERE.

THESE UNITS FACE NINTH STREET. I'M NOT SURE WHERE YOU LIVE ON NINTH STREET?

>> I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT THERE.

>> OKAY. THERE WILL BE SIX UNITS HERE THAT OUR FRONT DOORS FACING NINTH. BUT THEY WILL PARKED ON THIS ALLEYWAY HERE.

>> HOW MANY UNITS ARE YOU FACING? >> WE HAVE 14 HERE.

>> 14 AND SIX. >> OKAY. >> IF YOU LIVE HERE YOU WILL BE

LOOKING AT FRONT DOORS TO THESE UNITS. >> OKAY.

EACH SIDE OF THE UNIT IS USUALLY 10 FEET, IS NOT GOING TO BE ABOUT 5 FEET NOW?

>> SO, THERE WILL BE THREE BUILDINGS ON NINTH STREET. EACH OF THEM WILL HAVE TWO UNITS THERE IS NO SEPARATION BETWEEN THE UNITS THEMSELVES AND THE TWO BUILDINGS.

THERE WILL BE UM I FORGET THE EXACT DIMENSION, THERE WILL BE SPACE BETWEEN THE THREE UNITS.

THE THREE BUILDINGS, EXCUSE ME. >> THAT IS THE TWO UNITS, THAT IS THE SPACE BETWEEN THEM.

>> OKAY. THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT. RIGHT IN THIS AREA HERE, SINCE Y'ALL CLEANED IT OFF, IT IS TREES WE HAD SO YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE THOSE TREES THERE?

>> WHATEVER TREES WE CAN LEAVE, WE BELIEVE. I DON'T HAVE A TREE SURVEY.

THERE WILL BE SOME TREES TAKEN DOWN HERE WERE THESE BUILDINGS WILL BE.

ALL OF THIS IN THE DARK AREA IS THE GREEN SPACE. >> LIKE YOU SAID, MOST OF THE PEOPLE WILL BE ENTERING FROM DADE STREET, INSTEAD OF NINTH STREET?

>> RIGHT. NO ENTRY ON NINTH STREET. >> YOU SAID THAT NINTH STREET IS

GOING TO STAY AS RESIDENTIAL? >> NINTH STREET IS IN THE MIXED-USE CATEGORY.

IT CAN BE BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND BUSINESS. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> THESE UNITS ARE ONLY RESIDENTIAL. >> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL

HAPPEN WITH THAT. WE DON'T OWN IT. >> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL

HAPPEN WITH CORNER. >> OKAY. DOES THAT HELP?

>> YES. I UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON. WHETHER YOU THINK SO OR NOT, I DO UNDERSTAND. I WAS HERE WHEN THEY FIRST MADE NINTH STREET RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE IT COMMERCIAL. THAT WOULD BRING THE TAXES UP.

THERE'S NOT THAT MANY RESIDENTS FACING THE PROPERTY THAT YOU HAVE PURCHASED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S NOT BUT THREE HOUSES ON NINTH STREET RIGHT IN THE AREA WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE. I WAS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ZONING, AND EVERYTHING ON THAT

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STREET, YOU KNOW? I MEAN,, THE PEOPLE THAT KELLY CAME AND BROUGHT ME THESE MAPS COME I NEVER DID MEET HER UNTIL TODAY. I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT.

I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON. MS. MCGAHEE WAS ONE OF THE

RESIDENCE NEXT TO ME. >> THANK YOU, MS. HARRIS. WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND GIVING US YOUR THOUGHTS. MS. MCGAHEE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK?

>> NOT AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE I HAVE A HEARING PROBLEM. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO HEAR THE BEST I CAN KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. I HAVE TO TALK TO THIS NICE LADY.

>> ALL RIGHT. SIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> I AM OKAY.

>> ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? >> KELLY, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH

WHO IS ON THE PHONE IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS? >> WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY A GOOD NUMBER OF THOSE ARE LOOKING TO THE NEXT ITEM.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ON THE PHONE HE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS DEVELOPMENT ISSUE?

>> YES. TIFFANY HARRIS, 1116 GUM STREET. >> THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD. >> I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION AS FAR AS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. I SEE HERE, IS THAT 1900 SQUARE FEET?

IS NOT INCLUDED WITH THE GARAGE? >> HOLD ON ONE SECOND 10 I WILL ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

>> THANK YOU. >> DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT?

>> I CAN'T RECALL. >> OF COURSE, YOU PUT ME ON THE SPOT AND AM TRYING TO FIND IT.

>> JUST ONE SECOND. >> IT IS FINE. TAKE YOUR TIME.

SQUARE FOOTAGE ITSELF IS NOT REALLY A REQUIREMENT, THERE IS MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE.

YOU ARE BOUND BY YOUR MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE BASED ON YOUR SETBACKS.

THE UNITS ARE 18 FEET WIDE. I'M JUST NOT FINDING THE DEPTH DIMENSION.

I BELIEVE THEY ARE 18 BY 56 APPROXIMATELY WHICH WOULD PUT THE FOOTPRINTS AT ABOUT A

THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. THAT WOULD BE INCLUDING. >> ON THE WEBSITE IT IS SAINT 21, STUART -- YOU ARE SAYING 18. IS THERE TO THAT NUMBER

>> THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES ARE 18 FEET WIDE. >> ON THE SITE PLAN ITSELF, IT DEPICTS ON GE-1, THERE IS A NOTES BOX, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT SHEET.

IT SHOWS THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT OF 972 SQUARE FEET UM FOR EACH OF THE UNITS.

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UM, I BELIEVE THAT IS TYPICAL THAT THEY HAVE INDICATED THERE. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A TWO-STORY STRUCTURE. UM, I THINK YOU ARE ACCURATE IN

SAYING THAT IT IS GENERALLY 1900 SQUARE FEET OR SO. >> THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE GARAGE

>> I WAS INCLUDING THE GARAGE. >> CORRECT. YES, IT DOES INCLUDE THE GARAGE.

>> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. I JUST HAVE A FEW. WHAT IS THE PROJECTED PRICE OF

THESE UNITS? >> THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT CITY STAFF IS GOING TO BE ABLE

TO PROVIDE. NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION. >> ARE SAYING IS ON THE PART OF

THE APPLICATION? >> WE DON'T KNOW. IT'S NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION

PROCESS. >> IS IT NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION IF I ASK IS THERE

GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? >> THEY ARE NOT DEDICATED AS AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN ANY WAY.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE MARKET RATE HOUSING. >> OKAY, THEY'RE GOING TO BE MARKET RATE HOUSING, THAT IS THE THING ABOUT IT, YOU GUYS ARE BUILDING A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS IN A PREDOMINANTLY LOW INCOME AREA, BUT YOU'RE NOT MAKING IT FEASIBLE FOR THE PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THE AREA TO EVEN RENT OR LIVE THERE. THAT SHOULD BE A PART OF THE

APPLICATION PROCESS. >> I AM SPEAKING FROM A PERSON HAS GROWN UP IN THE AREA.

AGAIN, WE ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS AGENDA. >> YOU ARE INCLUDED IN THE PROCESS AS THE NOTICE AND REQUIRE POSTINGS AND ASSOCIATE IT HOW THE DEVELOPER PROCESS AND THE CITY TAKES PLACE. I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.

>> RIGHT. I MEAN, I'M GOING TO AGREE TO DISAGREE TODAY.

ONLY BECAUSE, THE LADY THAT CAME TO THE PODIUM LIVES RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

OUR CONCERN, AGAIN, THAT SHE IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE OUT OF HER RESIDENCE PROPERTY ALONG WITH OLDER PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA. AGAIN, WE ARE NOT TAKING THAT

INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE ARE DOING APPLICATION. >> AS FAR AS THE VEHICULAR ACCESS, THAT WAS A BIG COMPONENT THAT THERE WAS A SHARED DRIVEWAY , NOT DRIVEWAY CUT RUNNING ON NINTH STREET. I MEAN, THAT IS PART OF THE DESIGN ITSELF.

THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, OR LAYOUT WHICH WOULD HAVE DIRECTED MORE TRAFFIC ONTO NINTH STREET CORRIDOR. AGAIN, I NOTE YOUR CONCERNS.

THE ONLY SHARED ACCESS OFF OF DADE STREET IS REALLY A COMPROMISE AND KEEPING A LOT OF

THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC OFF OF NINTH STREET. >> THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC WHEN

THIS IS DONE. >> THEIR WILL. >> 8TH STREET IS NOT TO BE MORE CONGESTED WITH THE WORK COMING IN AND OUT OF THE ISLAND THEY'RE GOING TO UTILIZE A MORE RESIDENTIAL STREET NOW TO GET TO THE PROPERTY. THAT IS A CONCERN WITH YOUR

OLDER RESIDENTS IN THE AREA. >> CERTAINLY. CERTAINLY UNDERSTOOD.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT IS ALL OF THE

QUESTIONS THAT I HAD. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, MS. HARRIS FOR YOUR INPUT AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE PROPERTY. WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

>> MAY I ADD SOMETHING? >> THIS IS MARK BENNETT. I WOULD JUST ADD, DURING THE APPROVAL PROCESS OF THE ENTIRE REDEVELOPMENT AND REZONING IN THE M UA, TRAFFIC WAS CONSIDERED ACCESS WAS CONSIDERED. SOME OF THE ITEMS OF CONCERN NOW HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

KELLY, YOU CAN PROBABLY ADD MORE TO THAT THAN I CAN. >> I AM HAPPY TO.

THE DENSITY, IN TERMS OF THE AVAILABLE DWELLING UNITS WAS CONTEMPLATED AS WELL AS A DESIRE TO REDUCE THE CURB CUTS ONTO THE PRIMARY THOROUGHFARES, 8TH STREET AND NINTH STREET.

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WHEN THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN WAS CONTEMPLATED, THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF FOCUS PAID TO AVOIDING A NUMBER OF DRIVEWAY CUTS ONTO THOSE ACCESS POINTS AND IN AN EFFORT TO CONSOLIDATE.

ALSO IN TERMS OF DESIGN, BECAUSE FOR THE 8TH STREET OVERLAY ITSELF, DESIGN WAS A CHIEF CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THAT PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WERE COMPONENTS THAT WERE BETTER REFLECTED OF THE SURROUNDING AREA AND CERTAINLY WE COULD DO BETTER WITH ADDING STANDARDS IN THE FUTURE. THE 2016 EFFORT WAS AN INITIAL EFFORT TO GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE UM RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IN ADDITION TO THE ALLOWABLE COMMERCIAL INTENSITY WHICH

PREVIOUSLY EXISTED ALONG THE 8TH STREET CORRIDOR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC, OR THE BOARD ON THIS ISSUE? ARE WE READY TO VOTE?

>> CAN WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND? >> MR. PLATT PUT THAT MOTION

BACK UP, SO EVERYONE CAN SEE IT? >> YES, SIR. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAS

THEIR HAND UP, I WILL MAKE A MOTION ONCE HE HAS DONE THAT. >> I DO HAVE SOME DO THAT RAISED HER HAND ON THE VIRTUAL ATTENDANCE. MR. MORAL, IF YOU CAN HEAR US.

>> ARE YOU READY TO MAKE A MOTION? >> THERE IS A MOTION ON THE

FLOOR, MR. STEVENSON MADE A MOTION. >> OKAY, I DID NOT HEAR THAT.

>> MR. STEVENSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REPEAT YOUR MOTION? >> UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PAB 2020-0006 AS PRESENTED THIS EVENING, JULY 8, 2020.

>> THERE WAS A SECOND? >> MARK, WAS HE THE SECOND? >> MR. BENATAR YOU CIRCUITING?

>> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY I, RAISE YOUR HAND WRITE ALL OF

THOSE OPPOSED? >> THE MOTION CARRIES. THE NEXT PRESENTATION IS PRESENTATION OF EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL REPORT AMENDMENTS FOR LEGISLATIVE COMPLIANCE.

GIVE US JUST A MINUTE SO WE CAN GET SET UP. >> CAN I REMIND EVERYONE THAT IS THERE PLEASE SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO YOUR MICROPHONE. WHEN YOU TURN AWAY, IT IS

DIFFICULT TO HEAR YOU. >> WILL WILL -- WE WILL TRY HARDER.

THANK YOU. >> KELLY, I AM FORGETTING HOW TO SEND IT BACK TO YOU.

>> LET'S SEE IF I CAN RECLAIM IT I CAN'T BECAUSE I'M NOT THE ORIGINAL.

>> AS PART OF THE EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL REPORT ITSELF -- I AM HESITATING HERE.

I KNOW WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION TAKING PLACE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS

PAYING ATTENTION. >> MS. HARRIS, WE ARE GOING ON ANOTHER ITEM NOW.

IF YOU ALL COULD GO OUTSIDE TO FINISH OUR CONVERSATION, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

>> I AM SORRY. >> IT IS QUITE ALL RIGHT. IF YOU NEED TO TALK TO THAT GENTLEMAN, YOU CAN TALK TO HIM. WE NEED TO GO ONTO THE NEXT ITEM.

ALL RIGHT? OKAY. KELLY, UM, WE ARE GOING TO HEAR

FROM THE REGIONAL PLANNING PEOPLE FIRST? >> YES.

I WILL JUST PROVIDE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION UM FIRST, BEFORE WE UM PUT THIS TO THE REGIONAL

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COUNCIL. THIS EVENING THE BOARD IS BEING ASKED TO LISTEN TO A PRESENTATION FROM THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL. WE CONTRACTED WITH THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL EARLIER THIS YEAR TO WORK WITH THE CITY IN COMPLETING THE STATE-MANDATED LEGISLATIVE UPDATES TO OUR CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IN THE THREE PRIMARY AREAS THAT WERE FOUND TO NEED TO HAVE SOME AMENDMENTS. THOSE AREAS INCLUDE; WATER SUPPLY FACILITIES PLANNING, SEASONAL POPULATION AND PERIL. THE DIRECTION PROVIDED BY THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ADDRESSING THE MINIMUM STATE REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO BECOME COMPLIANT.

AS A SECOND EFFORT TO MOVE INTO A LARGER REVISION TO THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODE TO REALLY IMPLEMENT AND REINFORCE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITSELF.

WHAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION, AT THIS TIME, SERVES TO ADDRESS THAT MINIMUM STATE REQUIREMENT. I HAVE BEEN PROVIDING TO YOU, AS WE HAVE RECEIVED THE AVAILABLE PUBLIC COMMENTS, WE OPENED UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT WEBSITE, AS WELL AS A COMMENT FORUM.

IT PROVIDED ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION, INCLUDING THE DATA AND ANALYSIS, AND THE CHANGES THEMSELVES. ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO. UM, PRIOR TO THIS MEETING UM IT WAS ALSO NOTED AND PROVIDED AS BACKUP MATERIAL IN THE UM AMENDMENT UM AGENDA PACKAGE FOR THIS EVENING MEETING. UM TO DATE WE HAVE RECEIVED UM THREE INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE BOARD FOR REVIEW. WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED A REPOST DOCUMENT -- ROBUST DOCUMENT WHICH OUTLINES A NUMBER OF COMMENTS, IT REALLY FRAMES THE CONCERNS AND UM ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY WISH TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND CERTAINLY THEY HAVE REQUESTED THE COMMISSION ON THE BOARD CONTEMPLATE UM HOW WE SERVE TO LOOK AT THOSE COMMENTS RIGHT IT IS GOING TO BE UP TO THE BOARD IN TERMS OF HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE THAT AN ADDRESS THAT. SOME OF THE COMMENTS I'VE ONLY REALLY BRIEFLY BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS PROVIDED. WELL BEYOND THE MINUTE -- MINIMUM STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS. OTHER ITEMS THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE OR NOT A BIG DEAL TYPE OF CONVERSATION TO TAKE PLACE. UM, SO, UM, FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING I'M LOOKING TO THE BOARD FOR DIRECTION IN HOW WE WANT TO REALLY CONTEMPLATE THOSE COMMENTS WHICH HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO US, AS WELL AS OTHER COMMENTS WHICH I ANTICIPATE WILL COME IN BETWEEN NOW UM, AT THE PRESENTATION TIMEFRAME AND WHEN THE BOARD TAKES ON FORMAL CONSIDERATION. THAT IS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR JULY 22. UM, AGAIN, THE BOARD IS BEING ASKED TO PROVIDE ANY OPINION AT THIS TIME, NOT TAKE ANY FORMAL ACTION AT THIS TIME. THAT WILL OCCUR AT ANOTHER

MEETING THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR WEDNESDAY, JULY 22. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD

MEMBERS? >> UM, WITH THAT -- >> MAY SCHAEFER YOU HAVE A

QUESTION? >> WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO GIVE ANY OPINIONS, JUST LISTEN TODAY;

IS THAT CORRECT? >> THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON PUBLIC

QUESTIONS OF COURSE. >> WE ARE NOT TAKING ANY VOTES TODAY.

>> OKAY. WITH THAT, UM, SEAN WITH THE REGIONAL COUNCIL AS WELL AS MARGO WILL BE PRESENTING. HE HAS THE PRESENTATION PRESENTATION AVAILABLE HERE FOR

YOU. >> GOOD EVENING IRAN, I AM MARGO, THE POLICY DIRECTOR AT THE REGIONAL COUNCIL. THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY HAVE UM PARTICIPATED IN THE EVALUATION APPRAISAL UM PROCESS MAY REMEMBER ME. UM, SEAN, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THE FIRST THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE UM, AS YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO REVIEW THE CLUB HAS A PLAN EVERY SEVEN YEARS. THEY SEND YOU A LETTER AND REMIND YOU OF THAT. THESE ARE THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE IDENTIFIED

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THAT MUST BE ADDRESSED. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE.

THOSE ARE ALL STATUTES THAT CHANGE IN THE SEVEN YEARS, SINCE THE LAST UM FORMAL LOOK AT THE PLAN. NEXT SLIDE. SO, THOSE OF YOU WHO PARTICIPATED WILL REMEMBER, BUT IN CASE YOU DIDN'T UM I WANT TO GIVE YOU A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW.

UM, DURING THE EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL PROCESS UM WE GATHERED A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT.

UM, THERE WAS ROBUST UM PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. UM, WE IDENTIFIED AREAS OF CONSENSUS AND WE NOTED THEM. THOSE WERE AREAS WHERE IT WASN'T SCIENTIFIC, BUT UM MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM SAID YES, WE AGREE THIS IS IMPORTANT, AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY GO IN THIS DIRECTION. THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS A CONSENSUS ITEM.

WE DID KIND OF GATHER ALL OF THOSE. AT THE FINAL MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION WHERE THEY APPROVED THE EVALUATION REPORTS, THEY TALKED ABOUT TWO THINGS.

THEY TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT A REVIEW OF THE COMMUNITY'S VISION AND HOW THAT SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN AND THEN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT.

KIND OF THE BIG PICTURE. THEY ALSO UM LOOKED AT THE STRAIGHTFORWARD UM STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS. THOSE HAVE UM A TIME ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.

YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO ADOPT THEM WITHIN A YEAR OF GETTING YOUR LETTER, FROM THE STATE.

UM, AND THOSE UM CAN BE REVIEWED FROM A KIND OF STRAIGHTFORWARD PERSPECTIVE SO IT STAYS OUT OF THE LARGER POLICY ISSUES. UM, ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO THAT IS WE ARE LOOKING FOR COMPLIANCE WITH STATE STATUTES. UM, ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO THAT IS TO LOOK AT WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BEFORE BY OTHER JURISDICTIONS. THAT IS A TYPICAL PLACE TO START. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. IN SEASONAL POPULATIONS UM WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE EAR MEETINGS WAS UM TRYING TO FIND OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND HOW THEY WERE ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE. WE HAD SOME LANGUAGE THAT HAS BEEN OUT OF COMPLIANCE, SO WE KNOW WE HAD A PLACE TO START. THAT IS BACK WHERE WE STARTED. WE DID NOT FIND A LOT OF OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WHO UM THOUGHT THE POPULATION WAS SIGNIFICANT TO THEIR AREA, AND HAD A METHODOLOGY FOR US TO FOLLOW. IT NEEDS TO BE WHAT WORKS FOR FERNANDINA BEACH.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. ON PERIL OF FLOOD, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE MEETING WAS UM THAT IN ORDER TO DO COMPLIANCE, IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, UM, BUT NASSAU COUNTY WAS LOOKING AT PERIL OF FLOOD AS YOU WERE DOING THE EAR MEETING. UM, WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF OTHER UM COMPLIANCE PERIL OF FLOOD POLICIES. UM, SO THE GUIDANCE WE WERE GIVEN WAS TO ALIGN WITH NASSAU COUNTY. YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT ALIGNMENT ANYWHERE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS IS JUST SOMETHING WHERE IF YOU ARE IN A WATER RESOURCE CAUTIONARY YOU HAVE TO DO ONE.

AGAIN WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT, THE APPROACHES STRAIGHTFORWARD. SEAN, IF YOU WOULD TAKE US TO UM THE TEXT. WE ARE NOT GOING TO UM GO THROUGH EVERY WORD.

WE JUST WANT TO KIND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE APPROACH THAT WE TOOK, AND WHY.

UM, SO IN THIS INSTANCE, WE HAD AN EXAMPLE OF LANGUAGE THAT HAS BEEN UNIFIED, BY JACKSONVILLE, BY THE TOWN OF BALDWIN. WE HAD LANGUAGE THAT WE KNEW WOULD BE COMPLIANT.

IT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT UM OF WHAT THAT LANGUAGE MEANS TO EACH LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

WHEN WE WENT TO THE COPPERHEADS TO PLAN AND LOOKED FOR WHERE IT SHOULD GO, WE REALIZE THAT WHERE IT SHOULD GO IS WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR CRITERIA FOR HOW YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS ON FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES. YOU ALREADY HAD THAT POLICY. WE PROPOSE TO ADD TO THAT POLICY THE IDEAS ASSOCIATED WITH POPULATIONS. SEAN, IF YOU COULD TAKE ME TO

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THE DATA ANALYSIS, I WILL SHOW YOU WHAT, I MEAN. YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO NECESSARILY READ THIS. THIS IS THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE POLICY LANGUAGE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING. THE UNDERLYING UM LANGUAGE IS THE CONSENSUS UM OF THE GROUP THAT WAS THERE. THAT WE COULD PERHAPS CONSIDER THAT LANGUAGE AS LONG AS WE ADDED CONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY VISION, AS A CONCEPT. AND THEN UM, WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT AT LEAST THREE ASPECTS OF SEASONAL POPULATION. IT'S NOT DEFINED.

IT WAS AGREED THAT WE NEEDED TO DEFINE IT TO INCLUDE HOTEL OCCUPANTS, SHORTELL RENTALS AND OCCUPANCY OF SECOND HOMES. THAT HAS BEEN ADDED TO YOUR POLICY THAT LOOKS AT THE CRITERIA FOR CHANGES IN FUTURE LAND USE. SEAN, IF YOU COULD SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE. THE OTHER THING THAT IS INCLUDED UM IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DISTRIBUTION, BECAUSE IN TALKING TO OTHER UM LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, AND IN TALKING TO THE STATE UM, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR. SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE A DIFFERENT SORT OF ISSUE.

IF YOU ARE SUBURBAN COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A DIVERSE MIX OF USES, THEN YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF PROBLEMS IF UM FOLKS ARE COMING TO STAY IN THOSE HOMES AND THERE AREN'T SERVICES PROVIDED. THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED WHEN A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT IS IN THE CONTEXT OF SEASONAL POPULATIONS DEFINED, IF YOU WANT TO DEFINE IT. ALSO, THE UM DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL DATA.

YOU WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT FIT TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

WITH THAT, I WILL GIVE YOU TWO SEAN, TO TALK ABOUT THE UM OTHER TWO ITEMS. ATTORNEY GOOD EVENING, AGAIN, I AM THE RESILIENCY COORDINATOR FOR THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL. THE FIRST THING THAT I AM GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, AND DISCUSSING WITH YOU ALL. IS OUR APPROACH TO PERIL OF FLOOD.

OUR APPROACH TO THIS AMENDMENT HAD A DUAL APPROACH. LOOKING AT NASSAU COUNTY FOR A MODEL AS TO WHAT THEY DID SO WE CAN HARMONIZE THE PLAN WITH THEIR EFFORT.

AND THEN THE SECOND STEP, I'M GOING TO START WITH THAT, GETTING AN ANALYSIS FROM THAT SECTION. WE WANTED TO LOOK AT EXISTING GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES WITHIN THE CITY'S COMP ANSWER PLAN TO SEE WHERE THE CITY WAS ALREADY COMPLYING WITH STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS. WHEN THIS GETS SENT EVENTUALLY TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES, THE STAGE WILL BE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE PARAMETERS OF SIX DIFFERENT TEXT PARAMETERS. IT LISTS IT HERE IN THIS DOCUMENT.

UM, WE GO STEP-BY-STEP INTO THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENT AND WE BREAK IT DOWN BY EXISTING POLICIES THAT WERE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT ADDRESS THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENT.

THEN WE LOOK AT REVISED POLICIES WHERE THERE WAS A STRIKETHROUGH AND UNDERLYING CHANT MADE TO REFLECT COMPARISON WITH NASSAU COUNTY. AND THEN THERE ARE NEW POLICIES ADDED TO REFLECT THINGS THAT WERE NOT ADDRESSED IN THE COPPERHEADS A PLAN.

WE WANT TO MAKE THIS AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS POSSIBLE FOR THE STATE, WHEN THE REVIEW PROCESS CAME ALONG. THIS BACKGROUND DID AN ANALYSIS SECTION ON THIS BROKEN DOWN BY SIX DIFFERENT SECTIONS THAT AGAIN GO OVER EXISTING POLICIES. TOWARDS THE TOWARDS THE END WE INCLUDED A STRUCTURALIST OF OTHER GENERALIZED FLOODPLAIN REFERENCES IN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN UM, AS FAR AS THIS DOCUMENT IS CONCERNED, THESE REFLECT UM REVISIONS MADE TO EXISTING POLICIES, IN ADDITION TO THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AREAS WHERE COMPLIANCE WAS NOT MET AND NEW POLICIES NEEDED TO BE ADDED. SO WE ADDED SOME NEW POLICIES, AS WELL.

THE GOOD NEWS IS THEY ARE READY ADDRESSED REQUIREMENTS LAID FORTH BY PERIL OF FLOOD.

THAT WAS A GOOD SIGN. THIS IS REALLY JUST ADDING NEW LANGUAGE, REVISING CERTAIN LANGUAGE TO REFLECT THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENT. UM, SO, MOVING FORWARD BEYOND PERIL OF FLOOD, THE LAST ITEM THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS WATER SUPPLY FACILITIES WORK PLAN.

AND, BEFORE GETTING THIS PLAN, WE ALSO CONTRACTED WITH NASSAU COUNTY TO DO THEIR WORK, AS

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WELL. THIS BORROWS FROM THAT APPROACH AND THAT PLAN IS CURRENTLY IN THE ADOPTION STAGE AND WENT TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION. WE BELIEVE THIS WILL GO THROUGH, AS WELL. WITH THE WATER SUPPLY FACILITIES WORK PLAN ESSENTIALLY IS IS AN INVENTORY OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT WATER SUPPLY AGREEMENTS THAT EXIST WITHIN A CERTAIN JURISDICTION. IT'S ALSO INVENTORY OF POLICIES RELATING TO THESE CONCEPTS.

I WILL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE PLAN , SECTION BY SECTION TO PROVIDE A HIGH-LEVEL OVERVIEW.

THERE IS BASICALLY AN INTRODUCTION OVERVIEW. WE CHOSE A 2035 PLANNING HORIZON BECAUSE THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL SUPPLY PLAN EXPIRES IN 2035, SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE. AND THEN GOING SECTION BY SECTION, THERE IS A MAP THAT PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE SERVICE AREA BOUNDARIES, AS WELL AS THE WELL STATION LOCATIONS AND WELL NUMBERS. AND THEN WE GOING TO WATER SUPPLY.

FERNANDINA BEACH SUPPLIES ITS OWN WATER. THERE IS NO AGREEMENTS WITH OUTSIDE JURISDICTION OR ENTITIES. BUT, THE CITY DOES PROVIDE CERTAIN WATER SERVICES TO RESIDENTS IN UNINCORPORATED SECTIONS OF NASSAU COUNTY.

THERE IS LANGUAGE TO REFLECT THAT, AS WELL AS A MAP THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY WILL SOON UPDATE AS SOON AS THIS INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE. BEYOND THAT, THIS IS THE REAL PURPOSE OF THE WATER SUPPLY FACILITIES WORK PLAN FROM THE WATER DISTRICT PERSPECTIVE IN THE STATE. WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE CONSUMPTION USE PERMIT OF THE CITY. WHAT IS ALLOTTED UNDER THE CURRENT PARAMETERS OF THE CUP.

AND THEN WE WANT TO LOOK AT POPULATION GROWTH IN ACCORDANCE WITH POPULATION PROJECTION.

WE WANT TO LOOK AT DEMAND PROTECTION AND THEN WE WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT IS ALLOCATED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEMAND IN FUTURE YEARS WILL NOT EXCEED WHAT IS ALLOCATED.

AND THEN, LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS, AS WELL. WE WORK WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO OBTAIN DATA FOR THE CAPACITY, SO EVERYTHING CHECKED OUT, NOTHING HUGE FUTURE PROJECTION. THAT IS ALSO A GOOD SIGN FROM THE WATER MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT IS REALLY AN OVERVIEW, AGAIN, ESSENTIALLY INVENTORY OF WHAT ALREADY EXISTS IT DISCUSSES NON- POTABLE WATER SERVICES WITH WASTEWATER TREATMENT. AND THEN WE GOING TO A FEW OTHER ELEMENTS AS WELL, AT THE END, THE LAST SECTION IS FOR WATER CONSERVATION AND REUSE. IT IS REALLY JUST LIFTING OUT EXISTING POLICIES IN THE COPPERHEADS OF PLAN THAT RELATE TO THE SPECIFIC ISSUES.

JUST SO THAT IT IS CLEARLY IDENTIFIED AND CAN BE REFERENCED QUICKLY.

AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, THERE ARE NEW POLICIES ADDED TO REFLECT THE ADDITION OF THIS PLAN. FOR THE MOST PART THESE POLICIES ARE JUST A REFLECTION THAT A WATER SUPPLY FACILITIES WORK PLAN HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED AND INCORPORATED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A WHOLE. IN THE BACKGROUND DATA ANALYSIS FOR THIS, JUST TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO ALL OF YOU, IT'S JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND WHY THIS IS BEING ADDED.

THE MEAT OF THIS PLAN IS IN THE PLAN ITSELF. THAT IS IT AS FAR AS THE MAIN STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS THAT WE LOOKED AT HERE. MARGO AND I ARE MORE THAN HAPPY

TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. >> DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH

THE BOARD? >> ALL RIGHT, I AM LOOKING ON THE WATER SUPPLY FACILITIES WORK PLAN. THIS IS 3.2 POTABLE WATER SUPPLY CAPACITY.

TALKING ABOUT A POPULATION, IN THE GRAPH, 2020, 2025, 2030, 2035.

THEY ARE SAYING, MAKE SURE I'M READING THIS RIGHT, IS THAT THE POPULATION IN THE CITY OF FERNANDINA IS GOING TO BE 25910 PEOPLE; IS THAT IT IS BEING PROJECTED?

>> WHAT THAT TABLE IS INDICATING TO YOU IS NOT THE CITY LIMITS ITSELF, BUT RATHER THE SERVICE AREA. THE AREA UNDER WHICH WE HAVE SERVICE AVAILABLE.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT ALL OF THOSE PROPERTIES WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE CITY LIMITS. THIS AREA IS LARGER THAN WHAT THE CITY LIMITS WILL ACTUALLY

REFLECT. >> HOWDY REFLECT BUSINESSES IN THIS CALCULATION?

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ARE THEY REFLECTED? THE BUSINESS USE OF THE WATER SYSTEM?

>> THAT IS A GREAT SYSTEM -- QUESTION. SEAN IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN

REFER TO? >> I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER.

IN THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL, IT IS A PENDING FEE OFF OF A VERY LONG DOCUMENT. THERE IS EXTENSIVE CHARTS THAT BREAK DOWN EVERY CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT BY THESE PROJECTIONS. WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS, LIKE WAS STATED BY KELLY, IT'S NOT LOOKING AT THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, IT'S LOOKING AT THE CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT. I CANNOT ANSWER THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT IS ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE

CALCULATION. >> IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN FIND OUT? I MEAN, IS IT IMPORTANT?

>> OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT POPULATION GROWTH, OVER TIME, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT A GRAPH LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW IT SAYS, CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH WATER SUPPLY SERVICE AREA. THIS SAY ANYWHERE HERE THAT THE SERVICE AREA OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS WHERE THE CITY DESIGNATED AREA? UM BECAUSE, I GUESS FROM A POPULATION PERSPECTIVE WE HAVE ANOTHER UM -- THIS IS UNDER THE SEASONAL POPULATION. THIS WAS THE UM ITEMS FROM THE YEAR, AND THIS WAS SOME OF THE JACKSONVILLE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROPOSED. I GUESS THIS WAS DONE, I GUESS BY THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL AS WELL, PUTTING TOGETHER SOME NUMBERS FOR US.

AND, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE POPULATION IN FERNANDINA, FROM NOW TO WHETHER IT'S 2030, 2035 OR 2045, ONE OF THESE MAPS ACTUALLY TALKS ABOUT AS A PLANNING HORIZON. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE IS TALKING ABOUT LOW AND MEDIUM, THIS IS THE LAST PARAGRAPH UM, LAND USE CATEGORIES, THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT JUST OVER 700 NEW FAMILY STRUCTURES WITHIN THE 2045 PLANNING HORIZON.

UM, 913 POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS, AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZE IS 1990 PEOPLE.

WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THESE NUMBERS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL AGREE ON WHAT ARE THE EXPERTS TELLING US THAT OUR POPULATION IS GOING TO BE IN THESE DIFFERENT PLANNING HORIZONS? SO, UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR WATER , AND OUR USE OF WATER IS BASED NOT JUST ON THE CITY OF FERNANDINA, BUT ALSO THESE OTHER OUTSIDE AREAS ON THESE AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE AGREED TO PROVIDE WATER TO. THERE IS SOME CONSISTENCY IN HOW WE LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS. CERTAINLY, AS WE LOOK AT A LARGER REVISION, OR REVISIT OUR COMP PLAN AND OUR FUTURE LAND USE. WHETHER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE CITY OF FERNANDINA, WITH THE BOUNDARIES THAT WE HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED, OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY OF FERNANDINA, PLUS EVERYTHING THAT IS OUT THERE THAT WE HAVE NOT REALLY IDENTIFIED? THAT IS A CONCERN IS MAKING SURE THAT OUR STATISTICS ARE THE ONES WE ALL AGREE ON FOR PLANNING PURPOSES. THAT IS JUST MY COMMENT.

I WAS JUST A LITTLE UM CONFUSED AS TO SOME OF THE NUMBERS THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH.

>> I CAN QUICKLY ADDRESS THAT. THE CITY, AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE ENGAGE THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA THE BUSINESS AND ECONOMIC RESEARCH TO HAVE A MUCH MORE COMPLETE PICTURE OF WHAT OUR POPULATION PROJECTIONS, AS A CITY, WOULD LOOK LIKE OUT TO THE YEAR 2045.

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A LOT HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR PURPOSES OF WATER SUPPLY PLANNING DOES CORRELATE BACK TO BEING ISSUED AS CONSUMPTIVE PERMIT, AND DOES DEPICT A LARGER SERVICE AREA THAN THAT WHICH WE ANTICIPATE FOR ANNEXATION PURPOSES. THE CITY'S GROWTH AT THIS POINT TO BE CALCULATED IN THAT SMALL AREA MODEL THAT WE ARE PROVIDING AS FAR AS THE EAR REPORT.

YOU ARE NOTICING TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS, TWO DIFFERENT FIGURES. IT IS INTENTIONAL AND THAT THE PERMIT ISSUED FOR WATER PURPOSES AND USE PURPOSES IS EXPANDING. WHAT WE ARE PLANNING FOR IN TERMS OF GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT AS OUR CITY LIMITS, AT THIS POINT REFLECTS A SMALL SUBSET OF

THAT FIGURE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> YES, MR. STEVENSON? >> KELLY, TO HIT ON YOUR POINT.

I AM LOOKING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA REPORTS, FOR 2035, THEIR PROJECTED POPULATION IS 15,480, VERSUS WHAT WE SAW IN A CHART HERE WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER 25,000.

A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, WHETHER BE 15,000 OR 25,000, HOW DO WE ADDRESS WHAT I WILL CALL THE TRANSIENT POPULATION, SINCE WE ARE HEAVILY INTO THE TOURIST INDUSTRY. HOW DOES THAT GET FACTORED INTO THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE ARE GOING TO PLAN ON USING. IS THERE A FACTOR ADDED FOR IT, OR DO THEY DO IT BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF BATHROOMS, OR KITCHENS, OR IS THERE SOME PROCESS, OR DO I JUST SAY

WELCOME I HAVE 15,000 PEOPLE, AND THEY USE 400 GALLONS PER DAY >> WHAT IS THE PROCESS,

REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE ABSOLUTE POPULATION NUMBER IS? >> YOU HAVE DIFFERENT PIECES OF THE PUZZLE HERE THAT WE ARE SPEAKING TO. ONE OF THEM CERTAINLY IS THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. WE TALK ABOUT OUR PERMANENT POPULATION PROJECTIONS, THOSE ARE CONTEMPLATING RESIDENTIAL LIVING WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. WHAT YOU ARE SPEAKING TO YOU, MR. STEVENSON, IS HOW ARE WE ACCOUNTING FOR IMPACT ON OUR CAPACITIES FOR WATER, WASTEWATER AND OTHER FACILITIES FOR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL OPERATIONS? THAT HAPPENS AT THE TIME OF A LAND-USE CHANGE. IT WOULD BE A TIMEFRAME UNDER WHICH THAT WOULD BE ANALYZED AND UM A DETERMINATION ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO SERVE AT OUR CURRENT STANDARDS, AS WELL AS UNDERSTANDING CAPACITY TO PRESENT ANY UPGRADES OR NEEDS.

THE SECOND TIMEFRAME THAT YOU WOULD SEE THAT ANALYSIS OCCUR IS WHEN DEVELOPMENT IS BEING CONTEMPLATED FOR A PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY. , SO A PROJECT COMES IN, THEY WILL BE BUILDING A HOTEL, THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE AN IMPACT WHICH IS ASSIGNED TO THAT PARTICULAR PROPOSAL WHICH SAYS, HERE'S THE IMPACT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ON OUR WATER SYSTEM.

AND, AS PART OF THAT IMPACT, THERE ARE FEES IN ORDER TO ACCOUNT FOR THE IMPACT ON OUR SYSTEM, AND YOU STILL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO SUPPLY, ALL OF OUR USERS, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, AND RESIDENTIAL UNDER THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS WHICH WE HAVE COMMITTED TO PREVIOUSLY. THAT ASSESSMENT IS DONE AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT POINTS WHEN

WE ARE ANALYZING DEVELOPMENT. >> ALRIGHT, BUT BUT, DO WE HAVE SOME KIND OF AN ANTICIPATED

GROWTH RATE OR DEMAND RATE INCREASE OVER TIME? >> YOU CAN'T WAIT UNTIL YOU SUDDENLY HAVE TO START APPROVING A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND SAY, OH, THEY'RE GOING TO YOU SO MANY THOUSAND GALLONS AND FIND OUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR IT.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE ADVANCED PLANNING PROCESS IN PLACE. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO DEVELOP ADDITIONAL WATER CAPACITY. LET'S SAY IT'S PROBABLY AT LEAST

24 MONTHS. >> SO, YES, THAT PROCESS DOES OCHER WITHIN OUR UTILITIES DEPARTMENT, THAT TYPE OF PLANNING PROCESS HAS ALREADY BEEN CONTEMPLATED AND PROJECTED OUT. LOOKING AT OUR POPULATION GROWTH, AS WELL AS WHAT HAS BEEN

ADVOCATED FOR PROJECTIVE DEVELOPMENT. >> OKAY.

>> WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS TO BE HAVE? >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

WHAT WE HAVE JUST WALKED THROUGH QUICKLY, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THIS IS THE WORK THAT THE RECENT PLANNING COUNCIL HAS DONE TO DATE? WE, THEORETICALLY, COULD TAKE THIS AS A PRESENTED TODAY, AND SEND IT OFF TO THE STATE AND WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS?

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>> YES. ONCE IT IS FORMALLY CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.

>> IN TERMS OF WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TODAY, THIS IS FROM THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL? WE COULD TAKE THESE THREE COMPONENTS, UM, AND AS THEY ARE TODAY, WITHOUT ANY OTHER INPUT OR CONSIDERATION, WE COULD WALK THEM THROUGH A PROCESS AND APPROVE THEM, AND MOVE THEM ONTO THE COMMISSION. WE BASICALLY WOULD BE DONE AND MEET THE STATE MANDATE?

>> YES, I BELIEVE SO. >> OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR AT WHAT IT IS WE ARE LOOKING AT. MS. SCHAEFER, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> IT WAS JUST REALLY QUICK. IS THAT INCLUDING THE SECOND-HOME POPULATION, OR IS THAT JUST THE MASS POTENTIAL? I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PART-TIME PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT SHORT-TERM RENTALS, NOT JUST PART-TIME PEOPLE. IF THERE'S EVEN A WAY TO EVEN

CONSIDER THAT? >> IF I MAY, SECOND HOMES IS ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF SEASONAL

POPULATION. >> HOW ARE YOU DETERMINING SECOND HOMES?

>> IF THEY ARE NOT HOMESTEADED MAYBE? >> I WAS ASKING MARGO.

>> AS I MENTIONED, WE HOPE TO FIND OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT WOULD HELP US TO ANSWER QUESTIONS LIKE THIS, AND WE DID NOT. WE ARE GOING TO -- I THINK IT

WILL HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS DEVELOPED TAKE A LOOK AT. >> KELLY AND I HAD THIS VERY CONVERSATION THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT HOW YOU GET TO, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU GET TO SECOND HOMES? YOU START LOOKING AT HERE IS HOMESTEADED, AND WHO IS NOT? WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ARE JUST LONG-TERM RENTALS? AND THEN, THEORETICALLY, YOU HAVE YOUR LIST OF LICENSES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THE QUESTION IS, FOR NON- HOMESTEADED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, WHAT PERCENTAGE ARE LONG-TERM RENTALS AND WHAT PERCENTAGE ARE SECOND HOMES? I DON'T KNOW QUITE YET HOW YOU GET TO THAT NUMBER.

AND THEN QUESTION BECOMES, DO YOU EVEN REALLY NEED TO GET TO THAT, BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO, IT'S NOT GOING TO CAUSE YOU TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT. UM, PARTICULARLY IF WE LOOK AT WATER SUPPLY AND THE ISSUES THAT ARE ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW WHICH HAVE TO DO WITH THE FLOODPLAIN AND WATER MANAGEMENT. UM, WHEN YOU GET LONGER-TERM INTO UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE QUESTION STILL BECOMES, IF YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION, WHAT WOULD YOU DO DIFFERENTLY.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, THE TIME VALUE OF DOING THE ANALYSIS, BUT , I THINK, FROM A LONG-TERM PLANNING STANDPOINT, WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO HAVE AT LEAST A DECENT NUMBER IN TERMS OF WHAT THE MAXIMUM HOOK UPS, OR DEMAND FOR THE WATER IS, AS OUR FACILITY HAS IT TODAY. I THINK IT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD START TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

>> WE KNOW THAT. YOU KNOW HOW MANY HOOKUPS WE HAVE TODAY.

>> WAS A MAXIMUM COULD BE BASED ON THE CAPACITY OF THE PLANT TODAY?

>> IF YOU READ THIS THING, SAYS THE CURRENT CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT AUTHORIZES THE USE OF 2.4 MILLION WHATEVER GALLONS PER YEAR TO SERVE A POPUATION OF 29, 601 WITH POTABLE WATER FOR HOUSEHOLDS, ESSENTIAL USES AN UNACCOUNTABLE WATER LEVELS IN 2020.

THEY'RE PERMITTING AND PLANNING IS ABLE TO HANDLE MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE ON THIS PROJECTION.

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>> OKAY. I GUESS I'M GOING TO SAY THE 2035 PROJECTION WOULD BE A MAXIMUM, OR WORST CASE, THAT INCLUDES ACTUAL PHYSICAL RESIDENCE OF THE CITY?

>> I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY A NUMBER THAT INCLUDES A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.

IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO TODAY, IT IS A POPULATION OF 29601 IN THE SENTENCE ABOVE.

>> I MISSED THAT. OKAY. >> WE ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THAT. WATER MANAGEMENT HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE FOR THE CITY.

BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A ROBUST UTILITY DEPARTMENT. TRANSPORTATION AND IMPACTS ON ROAD IS A MUCH BIGGER ISSUE THAN WATER, AND TERMS OF SHORT-TERM, LONG-TERM, RESIDENTIAL, TRANSIENT AND TOURISTS. NICE TALKING ABOUT ROADS AND TRANSPORTATION, I THINK THIS ARGUMENT TURNS ITSELF ON ITS HEAD, RAY? AND SAYS UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IS AN ISSUE FOR ROADS, AND GET YOU INTO THE ISSUE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

IN TERMS OF WATER, MAYBE IS NOT ON THE TOP OF OUR LIST. ARE YOU DONE MR. STEVENSON?

>> MAY I ASK A QUESTION, PLEASE? >> SURE. >> THERE IS A CHART SHOWING ON MY SCREEN RIGHT NOW, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE PAGE WHERE IT SHOWS THE SERVICE AREA, RIGHT THERE, YES. IF YOU LOOK AT ATLANTIC AND FLETCHER, IS THAT AREA IN THE SERVICE AREA, OR OUTSIDE? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU COULD BE OUTSIDE.

THAT WAS ONE QUESTION I HAD. AND I HAVE OTHERS, TOO. >> SOUTH OF THE AIRPORT?

>> YOU WILL SEE THERE IS AN AREA SURROUNDED THERE WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT INCLUDES PROBABLY THE REC CENTER. >> WELL, THE ENTIRE AREA IS THE SERVICE AREA. THEN THERE ARE THESE TWO SMALLER COMPONENTS OF THEIR.

>> WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IT APPEARS THAT THE AREA HAS BEEN LEFT OUT.

IS IT OUT OF OUR AREA? OR SHOULD IT BE INCLUDED ON THAT MAP?

>> I THINK -- >> THAT AREA CERTAINLY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

>> THE ORANGE LINE ENCOMPASSES THE WHOLE THING. >> ARE MISSING MY POINT.

DO YOU SEE WHERE THE ARROW IS RIGHT NOW? IT SURROUNDS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH APPEARS TO MEAN IT IS NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THE HIGHER SERVICE AREAS?

>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ORANGE DOT? >> NO.

RIGHT THERE. >> YOU SEE WHERE THE ARROW IS. >> UP ON THE SCREEN.

>> IT APPEARS THAT AREAS NOT IN THE SERVICE AREA. IF IT IS IN THE SERVICE AREA, IT

SHOULD NOT BE SURROUNDED. >> ISN'T THAT WHERE THE NEW HOTEL IS GOING UP?

>> YES, THAT IS IT. >> WHY WOULD THAT NOT BE IN THE SERVICE AREA?

>> IT WOULD BE A MATTER OF CLARIFYING WHY THAT IS THE WAY IT IS?

>> WE WILL TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT AND FIND THAT OUT FOR YOU.

>> OKAY, AND THEN -- ALL RIGHT, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS, AND SEASONAL POPULATION. THERE ARE SEVERAL AREAS IN THE ERA, DAR, THAT SUGGESTS THAT WE SHOULD MONITOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE TIME TO LOOK AT THIS AND TALK ABOUT IT? I WILL CONTINUE THEN. FUTURE LAND USE POLICY 1.02.04.

IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THIS GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT SEASONAL POPULATION.

IF YOU COULD PULL THAT UP. >> IS THIS PART OF THE PRESENTATION WE JUST WENT

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THROUGH OR IS THIS A COMP PLAN? >> ON LOOKING AT THE 2030 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT. UNDER THAT IS A, B, C HAD A BUNCH OF STUFF.

>> SEAN, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE PROPOSED CHANGE FOR SEASONAL POPULATION.

>> GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I ACCIDENTALLY EXITED OUT OF THAT WINDOW.

>> BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS AN AREA THAT GOES TO WHAT YOU ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.

>> JUST FOR CLARITY, MARGO, DO YOU WANT DATA ANALYSIS OR THE TEST NOTES?

>> THE TEST NOTES. >> OKAY, GOT THAT RIGHT HERE. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM THERE, ITEM J, IF YOU COULD BLOW THAT UP MAYBE A LITTLE BIT. OKAY.

THERE YOU GO. IT SAYS THE COMMUNITY VISION, IT SAYS THAT WE ARE GOING TO MONITOR PERMANENT AND SEASONAL RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS, THIS ANALYSIS MUST ANALYZE AT LEAST THREE ASPECTS OF SEASONAL POPULATION, HOTEL, MOTEL, OCCUPANTS, SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND OCCUPANCY OF SECOND HOME. I AGREE THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO, BUT I'M NOT SEEING ANYWHERE IN THE POLICY THAT THE CITY WILL DO THAT, OR MUST DO THAT.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU ADD AN ITEM K, THAT IS THE CITY MUST COMPLETE A LIST WITH ADDRESSES OF HOTELS, MOTELS, ROOMS WITH A NUMBER OF, I'M HAVING TROUBLE READING SOME OF MY STUFF HERE, SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITH A NUMBER OF BEDROOMS, AND SECOND HOMES IN THE CITY.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE DOING, AND MUST BE DOING.

I WOULD THINK THAT PUTTING IT UNDER HERE AS K, WOULD BE APPLICABLE.

ANY COMMENTS? >> J'S NEW VERBIAGE THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO THE EXISTING PLAN, AND THEN, YOU WANT TO ADD ANOTHER SECTION THAT SAYS THE CITY WILL MAINTAIN THIS?

>> YES. BECAUSE, OTHERWISE THEY ARE JUST VISIONS THAT NEVER GET DONE.

BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT PAGE THERE IS ANOTHER PLACE IN THEIR WHERE THIS BECOMES A VERY IMPORTANT. EAR, SO LOOKING AT THE SAME THING AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT PAGE GO DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER A. IF YOU GO ONE PAGE DOWN.

RIGHT THERE. IF YOU LOOK UNDER POLICY ITEM A, IT SAYS ANALYSIS OF THE AVAILABILITY OF THE SERVICES, THIS SHALL INCLUDE DATA AND ANALYSIS REGARDING THE CAPACITY ON AND ON, AND ON, YOU CAN READ IT YOURSELF. UNLESS WE MAKE A POLICY THAT THE

CITY HAS TO START DOING IT, HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THIS? >> I'M SORRY.

JUST TO CLARIFY, WHAT WE WERE DOING HERE WHAT YOU SEE AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT NOW, IS THE BACKGROUND DATA AND ANALYSIS, THAT IS BASED ON THE OBJECTIVE AND POLICY THAT HAS BEEN USED ELSEWHERE THAT WE KNOW THE STATE WILL FIND COMPLIANCE. BASED ON THE COMMUNITY INPUT THAT CAME THROUGH THE EAR PROCESS, WE ADDED THE UNDERLYING PROCESS OF THE COMMUNITY VISION AND HOW YOU GUYS WERE DEFINING SEASONAL POPULATION INCLUDING HOTEL, MOTEL, SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND OCCUPANCY OF SECOND HOMES. UM, SO, WHAT WE PROPOSE TO PUT INTO THE COMPANY HAS A PLAN IS ENOUGH FOR THE STATE TO FIND COMPLIANCE. HOW WE ASK THE QUESTION, AND YOU KNOW, THE STATE IS SET SATISFIED WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT DOESN'T SAY HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION. UM, IT JUST SAYS WE WILL LOOK AT IT.

IT ALLOWS YOU TO KEEP THAT AS A LOCAL ISSUE. WHETHER THAT MEANS IT IS LONG-STANDING. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT PROBABLY DOES NEED TO BE DISCUSSED WITH YOUR LARGER COMMUNITY CONVERSATION UM ABOUT COMMUNITY VISIONS, MAYBE IT IS SOMETHING.

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WHAT WE WILL LOOK AT WHEN WE CONSIDER A CHANGE TO FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

AND YOU HAVE THAT WHOLE LIST OF WHAT YOU WILL CONSIDER, YOU ARE SAYING YOU WILL CONSIDER THE NEED FOR SEASONAL POPULATION. THAT IS WHAT THE STATE STATUTORILY WANT YOU TO DO.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. I'M SORRY I INTERRUPTED. >> AGAIN, ON THE PREVIOUS DAY, IT WOULD BE SIMPLE TO ADD K AND THEN INDICATE THAT THE CITY MUST DO THIS.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO ALL OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED , YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION, WATER, YOU NAME IT. IT'S KNOWING WHAT THE CURRENT

CAPACITY IS, AND MOVING FORWARD, WHAT HAPPENS. >> MR. OPUS?

>> I NEED A LITTLE CLARIFICATION WHEN WE MEET IN TWO WEEKS ON THE 22ND, THE GOAL IS TO TAKE THESE THREE ELEMENTS, AND SEND SOMETHING TO THE STATE THAT THEY WILL ACCEPT, THEY WILL CHECK THE BOX OFF THE SAYS FOR HAS CENTO STUFF THAT WE WILL ACCEPT FOR THESE THREE ITEMS. WE WILL BE DONE WITH THAT, RIGHT? WE WANT A MINIMUM.

WE ARE SAYING; SIMPLY THE MINIMUM THAT WILL BASICALLY TAKE CARE OF THIS.

WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE OF IS, IF THAT IS WHAT WE DO, AS A BOARD, THAT IS THE DIRECTION WE GO, THAT WE COME BACK. WHEN WE START TO GO THROUGH THE COMP PLAN.

WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THAT WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND BEEF THIS UP. THIS IS BARE-BONES AND IN MY BOOK.

ALL THREE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH I AM SURE IT WAS DESIGNED THAT WAY TO BE THE BARE-BONES TO TAKE CARE OF THE OBLIGATION THAT WE ARE FACED WITH.

BUT, IT IS BARE-BONES, THERE IS SO MUCH, JUST LIKE MR. BENNETT HAS JUST INDICATED, WHAT IS TO MAKE THIS ENFORCEABLE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES DURING THE EAR, IS THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THESE PLANS THAT SAY, WE COULD, WE MIGHT, WE WANT TO, WE SHOULD, IT'S ALL REALLY NICE, BUT THE BIG CONCERN THAT I HEARD AT THOSE EAR MEETINGS WAS, THERE IS NO TEETH TO THIS.

THERE IS NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU WILL DO THIS, YOU MUST DO THIS, THIS HAS TO BE DONE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER I VOTE ON, ON THE 22ND THAT IF IT IS BARE-BONES TO TAKE CARE OF A CHECKBOX WE NEED TO DO, THEN I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN COME BACK DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS AND PUT SOME FLESH ON THIS. IT IS BY NO MEANS IN MY OPINION FLUSHED OUT.

I HAVE TABS, QUESTIONS, EXPLANATION POINTS, WHY THIS, WHY THAT? I THINK NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED. WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME VERY GOOD COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, EVEN AMPLIFIED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE.

SO, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF OUR GOAL IS TO JUST CHECK THAT BOX, I UNDERSTAND.

I AM ENGAGED. BUT, I SURE WANT TO MAKE SURE, THESE ISSUES ARE BIG ISSUES, PARTICULARLY THE SEASONAL, AND THE LAND USE. BECAUSE THAT ALL GOES BACK TO TRANSPORTATION. IT COMES BACK TO MANAGING GROWTH IT TALKS ABOUT, I MEAN,, EVERYTHING THAT WERE HOT BUTTON ISSUES FOR US DURING THOSE EAR MEETINGS.

I'M NOT PREPARED TO JUST LET A MONTH OF MEETINGS, LAST YEAR, GET WASHED AWAY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN COME BACK AND PUT THE MEAT ON THIS.

>> KELLY, CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THE LARGER PROJECT AND THAT NOTHING THAT WE

TOUCHED TODAY IS OFF LIMITS FOR THE BIGGER PLAN? >> THAT IS TRUE.

SO, UM, WITH RSPECT TO SOME OF THE SECOND PART OF WHAT WE DETERMINED AT ALL OF THE EAR

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MEETINGS WAS THAT HE WOULD GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF JUST ACHIEVING STATE COMPLIANCE,.

IS IT TO GO AHEAD AND CHECK THE BOX. SO THAT WE CAN BE COMPLIANT.

UM, BUT THEN TO RETURN WITH A LARGER PROVISION, WHICH BETTER REFLECTED ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD RECEIVED THROUGH THE EAR PROCESS REVIEWING IT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, FULL VISITATION OF THE COMP ARE A PLAN WITH TO THE CODE. WE ARE GOING TO THAT SECOND COMPONENT NOW. ALREADY SOLICITED FOR REQUEST OF QUALIFICATIONS ON PLANNING CONSULTANTS TO SUPPORT THE CITY'S EFFORTS IN MAKING THOSE REVISIONS.

AS PART OF THAT, THE COMMENTS WE HAVE RECEIVED SO FAR REALLY UM POINT AT THE NEED FOR A MUCH BROADER COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS ON A VARIETY OF TOPICS THAT GO WELL BEYOND WHAT THAT STATE MINIMUM WOULD BE. THAT IS THE NATURE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

WE WANT TO BE MUCH MORE PROVOCATIVE AND THINKING ABOUT THESE VERY DIFFICULT TOPICS AND CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE AS A COMMUNITY. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALLOCATED TIME TO DO THAT. I'M NOT SAYING IT IS SOMETHING WE CANNOT DO AT LEAST IN SOME FORM TO ACCOMPLISH THE INITIAL PIECE. BUT, UM, SOME OF THESE ARE MUCH BIGGER CONVERSATIONS AND ARE WELL BEYOND THE SCOPE TO HELP SUPPORT US WITH AT THIS POINT IN

TIME. >> THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION OR CONCERNS.

I GOT IT. WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO AND, I THINK THERE IS UM, A REAL COMMITMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS. IT IS AMAZING TO ME HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY ARE INTERESTED. UM WE HEAR FROM THEM. I THINK AS THE CITY'S PLANNING BOARD, THAT IS OUR OBLIGATION TO DIG DOWN INTO THIS. WE ARE ON A TIME TRACK AS FAR AS THE STATE IS CONCERNED. IF WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT TO SATISFY THAT, LET'S MOVE ON, I AM CERTAINLY OPEN AND SUPPORT THAT.

AS LONG AS WE CAN COME BACK AND PUT THE MEAT ON THESE BONES. >> I THINK WE ABSOLUTELY CAN COME BACK. THERE IS NOTHING THAT PREVENTS US.

THERE IS ALSO NOTHING THAT PREVENTS US IF WE WANT TO TAKE THE TIME AND EFFORT TO ADD ADDITIONAL VERBIAGE HERE. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT AS WELL WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THIS

BOARD? ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? >> CAN I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT

HERE? >> YOU MAY. >> WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT? IF YOU LOOK AT OUR CURRENT POLICY 5.04.07, 70 COULD PULL THAT UP.

5.04.07.

DO EVEN KNOW WHAT THE DENSITY IS RIGHT NOW IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA?

>> YES. >> THIS GOES TO THAT OTHER ISSUE , HOW MANY HOTEL ROOMS?

HOW MANY HOMES, HOW MANY WHATEVER? >> KELLY SAYS YES, WE DO KNOW

WHAT THAT IS TODAY. >> I CAN SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THAT. >> WE DO KNOW WHAT THE DENSITY

IS? >> YES, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE CALCULATION WITHIN OUR COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. WITH THIS POLICY IS STATING, IS THAT IT WOULD PROHIBIT ANY CHANGES TO THE LAND USE MAP WHICH WOULD RESULT IN A NET INCREASE IN THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, EXPECTED THIS -- EXCEPT THE CRA ITSELF. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE

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ON THE BOOKS TODAY AND A CALCULATION THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE PROVIDED.

IF YOU WILL RECALL, PRIOR LAND USE CONSIDERATIONS WHERE THIS COME UP WAS RELATED TO THE WATERFRONT MIXED USE, LAND USE DESIGNATION WHERE WE HAD PROPERTY OWNERS UM ALONG THE CRA UM THAT WERE EXERCISING THAT, POTENTIALLY BUILDING OUT RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.

WE HAD TO UM REALLY RECONCILE THIS PARTICULAR PLAN POLICY WITH THAT REQUEST, UM, AS IT WAS BEING CONTEMPLATED. WE HAVE SEEN THERE ARE CERTAIN EXAMPLES OF WHERE WE HAVE UTILIZED THIS POLICY STATEMENT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MAINTAINING ITS CONSISTENCY.

>> IS THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA ON EVERYTHING THAT IS IN A FLOOD ZONE?

>> NO, SIR. THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA IS DEFINED AS A DIFFERENT MAPPING STRUCTURE. WE DO HAVE A LAYER THAT IS AVAILABLE ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE TO UTILIZE AND DETERMINE WHERE THAT EXISTS. IT IS A CATEGORY 1 STORM SURGE AREA. IT IS ALL PROPERTIES, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, UNDER

POLICY 5.04.07 THAT ARE WITHIN THE AREA. >> SO, EVERYTHING IN CATEGORY 1

STORM FIRST? IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES.

>> OKAY. >> DO WE HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE FLORIDA PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AROUND AND

CLOSE THIS CONVERSATION. IS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE EVERYONE? >> YES.

>> FINE WITH ME. >> KELLY, I'M GOING TO LET YOU WALK THROUGH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE UM ON THE PHONE. FOR THOSE OF YOU ON THE PHONE THAT ARE GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE

BE SURE TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR HOME ADDRESS. >> SEAN IF YOU COULD GIVE ME BACK THE HOST OPTION, THAT WAY I CAN ENGAGE WITH THE OTHER PARTICIPANTS HERE.

UM, JUST IN THE ORDER THAT I HAVE EVERYONE ON OUR SCREEN HERE, I HAVE ROBERTA AVAILABLE

FIRST, SHE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. >> MARGARET KIRKLAND ARE YOU STILL ON THE PHONE?

>> I'M NOT ON THE PHONE, I'M ON MY COMPUTER, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES.

>> I AGREE WITH EVERYONE HERE TALKING ABOUT THE NEED OF MORE DATA, WE DEFINITELY NEED A LOT MORE DATA TO GO INTO THIS. I FIND IT A LITTLE DISTURBING TO TALK ABOUT DOING THE MINIMUM, BECAUSE, I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING. WE HAVE A LOVELY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT IS ASPIRATIONAL AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND THE CITIZENS HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF PROBLEM WITH IT, BECAUSE IT CAN BE ENFORCED. I THINK THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT THING. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME GENERAL COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PROCESS. UPDATING THE COPPER TRANSIT PLAN IS AN OPPORTUNITY, AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND EFFECTIVELY TO CHANGES IN OUR ENVIRONMENT, WE KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN AND ARE DRAMATIC. CHANGES IN OUR LEGAL CONTEXT, AND CHANGES IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THE GOAL OF THE GROUP THAT WROTE THE REPORT THAT WE SAT IN IS TO ATTEMPT TO INCORPORATE COMMUNITY PRIORITIES FOR CONCERNS INTO THESE DOCUMENTS BOTH IN THE CITY , AND THE COUNTY.

AS MARGO POINTED OUT, OUR COMMUNITY THRUST THESE IDEAS IN APRIL 2019, AND IT WAS AMAZINGLY CONSISTENT, THE THINGS THAT THEY POINTED OUT. WE ARE TRYING TO INCORPORATE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WE ARE NOT PLANNING TO STOP WITH THESE LITTLE ELEMENTS TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING, INCLUDING THE COMP PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, OR BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. WE NEED DOCUMENTS THAT WORK FOR THE FUTURE OF THE CITY, FOR THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTY. NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT MEETS A MINIMUM STANDARD THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE STATE WILL ACCEPT WITH NO QUESTION. UM, WE WOULD LIKE THE OUTCOMES

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TO BE NUMBER ONE, ENFORCEABLE DOCUMENTS THAT PROVIDE STAFF WITH THAT THE THAT THEY NEED.

NUMBER TWO, EFFECTIVE STRATEGIES RESPONSE TO CLIMATE CHANGE AND SEA LEVEL RISE.

WE CANNOT WAIT LONGER TO BE MAKING MAJOR EFFORTS IN THOSE DIRECTIONS.

AND THREE, EFFECTIVE STRATEGIES FOR OPTIMIZING THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE CITY.

OUR ECONOMY DEPENDS ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR CITY. TO ACHIEVE THIS, WE NEED COMMUNITY INPUTS, A STRONG FOCUS ON ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY, AT MOST CURRENT AND THOROUGH DATA WE CAN PUT TOGETHER. WE DON'T HAVE TO ALWAYS MAKE CONCLUSIVE STATEMENTS ABOUT WHAT REALITY IS. WE CAN SAY THAT THE CITY MUST STUDY SOMETHING, OR IN COLLABORATION WITH THE COUNTY, THE CITY MUST STUDY SOMETHNG.

UM I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE ARE OPEN TO DISCUSSING UM THE DOCUMENT THAT WE SUBMITTED.

WE STILL NEED MORE LEGAL INPUTS ON IT. WE HAVE SOME.

UM, FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED RECOMMENDING THAT AMELIA ISLAND APPLY FOR THE STATE IS THAT COUNTY HAS. AREA OF CRITICAL STATE CONCERNS. SO, I GOT LEGAL INPUT ON THAT, AND I WAS TOLD THAT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT THING TO DO IN THE '90S, BUT MAYBE NOT NOW.

MARGO PROBABLY ALREADY KNOWS THAT. BUT ANYWAY, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK NOW, BUT WE NEED TO DO THINGS THAT WORK FOR OUR SITUATION ON THIS BARRIER ISLAND WITH SEA LEVEL RISE AND CHANGING WEATHER PATTERNS.

UM WE HAVE INCLUDED SOME DISCUSSION, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A TERM THAT WE CAN USE, BUT THAT IS THE CONCEPT THAT WAS BEHIND SO MANY OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE CITIZENS LAST YEAR.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KNOW. BECAUSE, IF WE DON'T, WE WILL WIND UP LOOKING LIKE SATELLITE BEACH, OR JACKSONVILLE BEACH, THESE PLACES THAT HAVE RUINED THEIR SUSTAINABILITY THROUGH OVERDEVELOPMENT. WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON THESE THINGS. WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESEARCH DONE THAT WE NEED TO DO.

IF WE GET FURTHER LEGAL INPUTS, WE WILL CERTAINLY SHARE THAT WITH EVERYONE, AND WE, YOU KNOW, HOPE TO WORK WITH EVERYONE. WE APPRECIATE ALL OF THE WORK THAT THE REGIONAL COUNCIL HAS DONE ON THIS, THEY KNOW THINGS THAT WE DO NOT. FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT EVERYONE ELSE OUT THERE IS DOING, AND WHAT IS MORE ACCEPTABLE TUESDAY. BUT I THINK WE KNOW OUR COMMUNITY, WE KNOW THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE HAD WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO, WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING OUR INPUT INTO CONSIDERATION. I HOPE WE WILL DO AN EXCELLENT JOB, A THOROUGH JOB, THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE. I HOPE WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THE POSITION OF THE COMMUNITY, AS MARGO PUTS IT. AND, UM, I HOPE WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR

FERNANDINA BEACH. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

MS. KIRKLAND, LET ME ALSO JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR THE AMOUNT OF WORK.

IT IS CLEAR THAT YOUR TEAM HAS PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO THESE UM, THIS REPORT.

IT HAS A LOT OF THINGS FOR US TO THINK ABOUT. UM, MANY ARE ASPIRATIONAL AND NEED TO HAVE A LOT MORE VETTING AND CONVERSATION AROUND. WHICH, I THINK MAKES IT HARD TO DO IN A TWO WEEK TIME PERIOD. CLEARLY THERE ARE THINGS THAT UM UM THAT REPRESENT UM I THINK A LONGER-TERM DIRECTION THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. THE NEXT PERSON I HAVE IN LINE

IS MS. KEMP. >> MS. KEMP ARE YOU STILL ON THE PHONE OR THE COMPUTER?

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ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT PERSON.

>> I HAVE BARB. >> I HAVE NO COMMENT AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU. >> I HAVE JOHN BOYLAN. >> MR. BOYLAN?

>> NO COMMENT. >> THANK YOU. >> LORI HENKE.

>> YES, DID YOU HEAR ME? >> NO, YOU ARE MUTED. >> SORRY.

NO COMMENT AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. >> AND THEN I HAVE CAM GREEN -- -- PAM GREENE. YOU ARE ON MUTED SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK.

>> OKAY. IS THAT IT? >> THAT WAS IT.

>> ANYONE ELSE ON THE PHONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE?

>> I DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE. >> OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO CLOSE THE FLOOR TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND TURNED BACK TO THE BOARD. I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR THE BOARD IS, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE AT THIS POINT? DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THE POINT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS TO FLESH SOME OF THESE OUT MORE, OR DO WE WANT TO TAKE ALL OF THIS WORK OF THINGS WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO AND

UM PUT THEM ON THE LIST FOR NEXT YEAR'S BIGGER PROJECT? >> CURRENTLY UNDER SOME KIND OF

GET IT DONE TIME PERIOD? >> WE ARE. WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TODAY MEETS THOSE OBLIGATIONS, AS DELIVERED FROM THE REGIONAL COUNCIL WITH NO ADDITIONAL CHANGES ON OUR CARD. OR, WE COULD TWEAK IT, OR CHANGE IT, OR AS MUCH TIME AND ENERGY

AS WE WANT TO PUT IN IT. >> HOW MUCH TIME IS LEFT BEFORE WE NEED TO PUT SOMETHING IN?

>> TWO WEEKS. NOW AND JULY 22. WE NEED TO SEND IT TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON JULY 22 SO WE CAN GET PROCESSED FOR THEM AND ONTO THE STATE FOR SEPTEMBER.

AGAIN, WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THESE THREE SECTIONS. UM, WE CAN ADDRESS THEM WITH A LARGER PROJECT, SO, IS THERE PARTICULAR THINGS IN THESE THREE SECTIONS WE WOULD LIKE TO DO

MORE OF? >> I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BASED UPON THE TIMING, AND ALL OF THE EVENTS GOING ON AND WE MAY WANT TO JUST GO FORWARD WITH THIS DOCUMENT.

GO AHEAD AND SATISFY THE STATE REQUIREMENT. I THINK THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME CONCERNS ON PART OF THE BOARD AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC, AND WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE THAT TO THE SECOND PHASE, BECAUSE IF WE RUSH THROUGH IT, I'M NOT SURE WE ARE GOING TO DO IT JUSTICE EITHER.

>> WE HAVE A QUESTION ON THE FLOOR SO COULD BE JUST HOLD FOR ONE SECOND? SO, SORRY FOR THE DELAY. UM, SO, MR. PETERSON HAD SAID THINGS WE SHOULD GO FORWARD WITH THE DOCUMENT PRETTY MUCH AS IT IS. ARE THERE PARTICULAR THINGS WE MAY WANT TO DO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER DIVE ON? DO WE WANT TO ADD THE LANGUAGE

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THAT MR. BENNETT RECOMMENDED? OR, DO WE WANT TO PUT THIS LANGUAGE INTO NEXT YEAR'S

PROJECT? >> IT'S AWFUL QUIET.

I MEAN, I PROPOSE WE JUST ADD THE ADDITIONAL LINE IN THERE THAT SAYS THE CITY MUST START COMPILING THAT DATA, YOU KNOW? THAT IS NOTHING THAT IS GOING TO DELAY FOR ANOTHER WEEK OR TWO, OR EVEN ANOTHER DAY. I MEAN, IT'S IN THERE, AND IT SAYS THAT THEY NEED TO LOOK AT IT, SO LET'S PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. LET'S DO IT.

ASSUMING THE OTHER ITEMS THAT RELY ON THIS. >> OKAY.

IS THAT AGREEABLE TO EVERYBODY? >> OTHER THAN THAT, I WOULD BE FINE WITH MOVING ON.

>> I WOULD SUPPORT MR. BENNETT'S POSITION. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> I THINK WE COULD UM WE COULD HAVE STAFF, WITH THE ADDITIONS THAT MR. BENNETT HAS JUST RECOMMENDED, SORT OF RE- PRESENT , SO TO SPEAK, OR SEND IT BACK OUT TO US IN SIMPLE FORMS, HERE IS WHAT WE ARE SAYING, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO SEND. THAT IS WHAT WE MAKE A DECISION

ON AND VOTE ON ON THE NEXT MEETING ON THE 22ND. >> MS. SCHAEFER WOULD YOU LIKE

TO WEIGH IN ON THIS? >> I MEAN,, I HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE THE BEGINNING WITH ALL OF THE EAR MEETINGS, AND DEFINITELY LISTEN TO THEM WITH A LOT OF INPUT, IT HAS BEEN A LOT OF TIME ON THIS. I DO FEEL THAT EVERYTHING CAN ALWAYS BE BETTER, WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE IT STRONGER. I DO THINK WE NEED TO MEET THIS TIME CRUNCH AND JUST GET IT IN, AND THEN CONTINUE TO UM HAVE IT BE A LIVING, BREATHING DOCUMENT AND KEEP STRENGTHENING IT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW MUCH TIME AND CARE EVERYBODY PUT INTO IT.

I THINK WE NEED TO JUST GET IT IN AND MEET THAT REQUIREMENT AND KEEP WORKING ON IT TO IN FUTURE.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? KELLY, DOES THAT GIVE YOU MARCHING ORDERS?

>> YES. >> MARGO, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WORK AND YOUR TEAM'S HARD WORK. IT MADE IT EASIER FOR US TO FOCUS ON WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION. THAT HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. VERY GOOD.

OKAY, SO NOW WE ARE DOWN TO BOARD BUSINESS. AND, WE HAD TWO ISSUES THAT MR. STEVENSON BROUGHT UP, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, ONE WAS TVS AND ONE WAS INPUT TO THE COMP PLAN.

MR. STEVENSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CARRY THAT DISCUSSION? >> YES.

I WOULD LIKE TO DO ONE OTHER THING. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE OUR CHAIRMAN A BIG THAT A BOY FOR THE MEMO SHE PREPARED TO SEND TO THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY COMMISSION. I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT WAY OF NETTING DOWN THE LONG CONVERSATION INTO ONE PAGE THAT PEOPLE WOULD READ. THANK YOU.

>> YOU ARE VERY WELCOME. I WILL TELL YOU THAT 95% OF THOSE LITTLE DOTS CAME OFF OF A DOCUMENT FROM KELLY. SO, YOU CAN THANK HER, BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY HER WORDS, I

JUST PUT THEM TOGETHER. >> THANK YOU, KELLY. IT WAS A TEAM EFFORT.

>> THE ONE QUESTION THE TELEVISION AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WE BRIEFLY TALKED ABOUT, UM, THERE WAS A GENERAL DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BRING IT UP THAT NEXT TIME. I THINK MY QUESTION RIGHT NOW IS TO KELLY.

KELLY, HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE CITY COMMISSION ON THAT SUBJECT?

>> I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THERE IS INTEREST IN PURSUING, AND TAKING OUT QUICKER, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE CONTEMPLATING AS PART OF THIS LAST ROUND SUPERVISION'S. IF YOU WILL NOTICE, AS PART OF THE AGENDA PACKET, TOWARD THE BOTTOM OF YOUR STAFF REPORTS, I PROVIDED A NUMBER OF DOCUMENTS.

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ONE OF WHICH IS AN ITEM THAT I HAD PREPARED FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO CONSIDER FORWARDING TO THE COMMISSION. IT IS SIMPLY A LIST OF ALL OF THE OUTSTANDING LDC REVISIONS THAT I KNOW WE HAVE PUT OUT THERE WHETHER IT WAS FROM COMMISSION DIRECTION, OR IT IS OUTSTANDING IMPLEMENTATION MEASURES, OR KNOWN ISSUES THAT STAFF HAVE WITNESSED AND THE FIELD THAT NEED TO BE RECONCILED. I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THIS BOARD COULD UTILIZE THAT SAME DOCUMENT TO PROVIDE TO THE COMMISSION THEIR PRIORITIES FOR CONSIDERING THOSE CHANGES WHICH NEED TO BE HANDLED BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT THIS LAST ROUND OF REVISIONS, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ENTER INTO THE LARGER REVISION TIMEFRAME WITH RESPECT TO THE COMPANY HAD PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND, I WOULD OFFER CERTAINLY WE COULD UTILIZE THAT DOCUMENT, I BELIEVE THAT IT PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO PROVIDE A RANKING BETWEEN 193. MY THOUGHT BEHIND THAT IS, IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO UTILIZE UM, IS THAT ONE WOULD BE YOUR HIGHEST PRIORITY, THREE WOULD BE LOWEST PRIORITY.

I WOULD THINK THAT THAT IS OUR AREA FOR DISCUSSION AND DETERMINATION AS A BOARD ON WHICH ONES TO CONSIDER. UM, I PROVIDED IN ANOTHER DOCUMENT, WHICH SHOULD BE THE PRIORITY. IT IS THAT LARGER, REALLY BIG COLORED DOCUMENT THAT HAS THE COLOR BOCKS WHERE THE FOCUS SHOULD BE GIVEN TO CERTAIN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ITEMS. IT DOES NOT CONTEMPLATE THE ENERGY TOWARDS LOOKING AT EXTERIOR SCREENS.

UM, IT DOESN'T CONSIDER THAT. IT ALSO DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE OFFER ISSUE.

THOSE ARE CERTAINLY THINGS THAT WE CAN CONSIDER ADDING INTO THAT ITEM.

BUT, I THINK THERE ARE TOOLS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER USING. I KNOW THE COMMISSION HAS WELCOMED YOUR INPUT, AS THEY ARE CONSIDERING DIFFERENT EFFORTS AND IT MAY BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY AND EXERCISE OF YOUR TIME. INDIVIDUALLY FILLING OUT AND PROVIDING TO ME.

THAT WOULD GIVE US DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE MEETING. >> YOU SENT THIS TO THE

COMMISSIONERS? >> TO THE CITY MANAGER. >> HAVE YOU GOT ANYTHING BACK?

>> NOT AS OF YET. >> DID YOU SEND A VERY LONG AGO? >> TWO WEEKS AGO.

>> YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT.

I REALLY PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR YOU, BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A TOOL.

>> THEN YOUR MULTIPAGE ACTION PLAN SHOWS THE PROJECT YOU ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON?

>> YES AREA THE LARGER PROJECTS UM THAT OCCUPY OUR TIME. IT WAS GOOD TIMING TO SPEAK TO

THOSE TWO ITEMS. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE POTENTIALLY HOLDING ANYTHING UP. I KNOW FROM A PRIORITY STANDPOINT, YOU HAVE A LOT OF STUFF ON THE PLATE. I WAS JUST MAKING SURE SO WE HAVE A REASONABLE RUNWAY, IF WE DID HAVE TO CONSIDER IT. SOME KIND OF A CHANGE GRADE I PRESUME THIS WOULD FALL UNDER

THE SIGNAGE, OUTDOOR SIGNAGE SECTION? >> THAT'S ONE POTENTIAL AREA.

>> OKAY. >> I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME URGENCY TO GET THIS DONE?

THAT'S NOT THE CASE? >> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ONE CHANGE TO THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODE, SMALL AREA. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE COULD ADDRESS AND SEND IT ON TO THE COMMISSION, LET THEM MAKE THE DECISION ONCE THEY HAVE IT.

THERE IS ADDITIONAL THAT HAS TO BE MADE? >> TO ME, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I WOULD COME UP ON THAT, WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR CITYWIDE?

>> WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THE BUSINESSES THAT ALREADY HAVE TVS THAT ARE OUT FACING THE PUBLIC? THERE ARE SEVERAL. SO, DO YOU GRANDFATHER THEM IN, OR DO YOU MAKE THE RULES SO THAT THEY NOW HAVE TO CHANGE AS WELL? IT'S NOT JUST A ONE OFF WITH ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

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>> I'M SORRY, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS A PROBLEM IN HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THEIR PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT HAVE TELEVISIONS OUTSIDE LIKE WE ARE SUGGESTING?

>> YES, THERE ARE. >> WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM CITY HALL

>> BUT, THEY HAVE AGREED TO CHANGE THEIR LAYOUT TO NOT DO IT >> OKAY.

THE QUESTION IS, KIND OF GOES BACK TO EVEN WHAT MARK SAID. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING OF RELATIVE URGENCY THAT SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS THOUGHT SHOULD BE CARRIED FORWARD. IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THAT'S OKAY.

BUT, I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE THE PAB JUMP INTO SOMETHING, AT THE LAST MINUTE AND NOT HAVE

ADEQUATE TIME, YOU KNOW, TO DEVELOP OUR OWN OPINIONS. >> DOES OUR ATTORNEY HAVE ANY

OPINION ON THIS? THE URGENCY? >> UM, I HAVE A SENSE, IT'S NOT REALLY A LEGAL SENSE. I SPOKE WITH ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THAT PROPERTY, TOO, TO REMIND HIM NOT ONLY ABOUT THE TELEVISIONS, BUT WE HAVE THAT STAGE THERE FOR A BAND.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE NOISE PROBLEMS. THEY NEED TO KNOW AHEAD OF TIME THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE NOISE PROBLEMS. I DID THAT, AND HE UNDERSTANDS.

I'M REALLY NOT THAT CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. UM, OF COURSE, IT'S COMING BEFORE YOU HAVE ANY REGULATIONS IN PLACE. I'M NOT SAYING IT WON'T HAPPEN.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING FOR RESTAURANTS, OR BAR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO HAVE THAT

TYPE OF DISPLAY. I THINK YOU HAVE SOME TIME. >> IF WE WERE TO PROPOSE A CHANGE, COULD WE MAKE IT UM EFFECTIVE SO THAT THE ONES THAT ALREADY HAVE IT WOULD HAVE TO DO

SOMETHING? >> YOU CAN. YOU CAN MAKE THESE ORDINANCES RETROACTIVE. YOU HAVE TO SAY EXPRESSLY. AS A SPECIAL WAY TO DO IT.

YES, WE CAN. WHAT WE CAN'T DO, I MEAN,, FOR THOSE THAT EXIST, IF YOU PASS AN ORDINANCE AND 70 HAS PUT IN A BUSINESS, MOSTLY DOWNTOWN AND I THINK IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, HAS PUT IN A LOT OF MONEY -- WEO COMPENSATE THEM FOR THAT IF WE MAKE THEM CHANGE.

BUT WE ABSOLUTELY CAN MAKE THEM CHANGE. >> ARE WE ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? OR, ARE WE CONCERNED ABOUT IT CITYWIDE?

>> I THINK YOU COULD HAVE A SITUATION OF IT BEING CITYWIDE, ESPECIALLY WITH WHO KNOWS HOW LONG THIS VIRUS IS GOING TO STICK AROUND AND PEOPLE, HOPEFULLY THE RESTAURANTS CAN SAY OPEN, PEOPLE WILL WANT TO DINE OUTSIDE AND IF THEY ARE DINING OUTSIDE, RESTAURANT TOURS MAY FEEL THAT THEY NEED TO PROVIDE ENTERTAINMENT TO THEIR CUSTOMERS AND THEY COULD VERY EASILY PUT A TELEVISION OUTSIDE WHERE HE COULD EITHER BE DISTRACTING, AS WAS MENTIONED HERE TO TRAFFIC, ON, OR OTHER PLACES. I THINK IT COULD HAPPEN TO OTHER

PLACES IN THE CITY AS WELL. >> DO WE WORRY ABOUT THAT? IF WE WERE TO ENACT AN ORDINANCE, THE BUILDING ALREADY HAS ITS PERMIT. I THINK WE WOULD HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE WITH THEM. WHO ARE YOU REALLY, YOU KNOW, ENFORCING AT THAT POINT?

>> WELL, IT WOULD BE A FORWARD ORDINANCE. IT WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE.

WE ALSO HAVE BUILDINGS THAT PROBABLY DON'T MEET THE CURRENT ELEVATION REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEY

ARE IN PLACE AND WERE NOT GOING TO TEAR THEM DOWN. >> SO, YOU WOULD TELL THE EXISTING BUSINESSES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THEY CAN KEEP THEIR TVS FACING OUTS, THAT NEXT

PERSON COMING IN CAN'T? >> THAT IS ONE ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU HAVE.

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THAT IS GOING TO BE UP TO, WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION, THEY WILL HAVE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. TRAN22 ME THE QUESTION IS, IS AT THE PLEASURE OF THIS BOARD THAT YOU WANT YOUR STAFF TO WORK ON THIS ISSUE IN THE NEXT 30-45 DAYS?

>> THE ONLY REASON I BOUGHT A FORWARD WAS TWO DOCUMENTS WERE PASSED ON TO MEMBERS OF THE PAB.

THERE WAS URGENCY ABOUT IT, AT A CONCERN, AND IT DEALT WITH THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, INCLUDING THE DOWNTOWN, AND THEN SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE DONE. HE WAS LOOKING FOR SOME ACTION.

I'M SIMPLY LOOKING AT IT, HE ASKS FOR HELP, AND I THINK THE RESPONSIBILITY, TO SAY OKAY, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, OR, WE CAN LET IT SIT WHERE IT IS, UNTIL SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE MAY BE ASKED TO PREPARE A DOCUMENT, OR REVIEW A DOCUMENT, THAT HAS BEEN PREPARED. SIMPLY LOOKING AT HOW WE SUPPORT THE CITY.

>> OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US TO DO? >> IS IT POSSIBLE TO PULL UP THE E-MAIL THAT SHOWS THE PROPOSED CHANGE? BECAUSE, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THIS WAS A POTENTIAL ISSUE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I CAN SEE IT BEING A PROBLEM THERE, BECAUSE IT IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT IS ADDED TO BUILDINGS ET CETERA. SO, I WOULD SUGGEST ONLY CONSIDERING IT FOR THEM, AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE REST OF THE CITY. KELLY, CAN YOU PULL OF HIS

E-MAIL WHERE IT ACTUALLY SHOWS THE CHANGES? >> MY QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU MAKE IT THEN RETROACTIVE SO THAT IT IMPACTS EVERYONE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND SOME

FOLKS WOULD HAVE TO TAKE TVS DOWN? >> NO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE EXISTING CUSTOMERS. I MEAN, WE HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT BOARD THAT HAS LOOKED AT ALL OF THE STUFF AND APPARENTLY ONLY NOW IS

RECOGNIZED AS BEING A POTENTIAL PROBLEM FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. >> LET ME POINT OUT ONE THING, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, WALMART IS GOING TO BE SHOWING MOVIES AT NIGHTTIME, IN THE PARKING LOTS, AND SOME OF THE STORES AROUND THE COUNTRY. IT IS A GROWING AREA, THAT I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS. THERE IS OTHER FORMS OF OUTDOOR DISPLAYS.

IT IS THE FUTURE. A LOT OF THINGS CAN BE DONE NOW, THEN COULDN'T BE DONE TECHNOLOGY

WISE FIVE YEARS AGO. >> MS. SCHAEFER? >> WELL, I PERSONALLY WELCOME THE IDEA OF DRIVE-IN MOVIES AT WALMART TOO. THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY NICE PASTIME WITH MY CHILDREN. THE MAIN CONCERN OF WHAT THE COMMISSIONER SAID WAS GOVERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC, AND BEING DISTRACTED AND CRASHES AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I'M THINKING, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A VERY LARGE TV ON OUR ROOFTOP, YOU KNOW, NEVER HAD A COMPLAINT. IF THE MAIN CONCERN IS SAFETY; THEN MAYBE JUST SAY DON'T HAVE IT ON THE FIRST LEVEL AND THAT ELIMINATES THE SAFETY ISSUE. WHICH SEEMED TO BE THE CONCERN AT THE BEGINNING. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT OUT THERE.

>> OKAY. DO Y'ALL WANT THE STAFF TO WORK ON THIS OVER THE NEXT 30-45 DAYS

>> NO. >> UM, MY VIEW IS BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW NOW, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE SPEND ANY MORE ENERGY ON IT.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM UM MR. MORRIS. >> WELL.

TRAN28 THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL WEIGHS IN ON THIS AS A GROUP, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ONE

MEMBER? >> ONE MEMBER. >> WE'VE ONLY HEARD FROM ONE

MEMBER IN ONE COMMISSIONER? >> YES.

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>> THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE OTHER TVS. THE GENTLEMAN WHO EVIDENTLY IS DOING BUSINESS, LIKE YOU SAID, HAS ALREADY CHANGED HIS PLAN. I DON'T THINK IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. NOBODY HAS COMPLAINED ABOUT ANY OF THE TVS ON 8TH STREET, OR OTHER AREAS. MAYBE WE SHOULD USE OUR ENERGY ELSEWHERE.

I DON'T THINK EVERYONE ON CENTER STREET IS GOING TO RUN OUT AND PUT TVS ON THE FRONTS OF THEIR

BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW. >> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE WHOLE HISTORIC DISTRICT BOARD TO HEAR WHAT THEY SAY. IF THEY THINK IT IS A PROBLEM, LET THEM PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND LET THEM GIVE THAT TO US SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND THEN MOVE FORWARD.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO WRITE A LETTER, AND ASK -- >> THAT WOULD BE FINE WITH ME.

>> WHY DON'T I DO THAT? I WILL WRITE A LETTER. >> DO WE NEED A MOTION TO FOZ I DON'T THINK SO. AND THEN WE WILL SEE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY AND TAKE FROM THERE.

HOW'S THAT? >> THAT WILL BE FINE. THANK YOU.

>> DID WE NEED ANY MARK CONVERSATION ABOUT THE IMPROVEMENT PLAN?

>> WE GOT A NICE LETTER FROM THE CONSERVATORY, MARGARET SENT TO, SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE WATER TRUCK. IN MY VIEW, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF TREES AND SO FORTH THAT THE CITY'S PLANTING, THAT IS WHERE THE WATER TRUCK WOULD BE UTILIZED, I DON'T THINK WE CAN JUSTIFY IT. HOWEVER, THERE WERE SOME GOOD POINTS MADE.

MY ONLY SUGGESTION, I'M NOT SURE , IF WE LOOKED INTO, LET ME CALL IT A PORTABLE WATER TANK SYSTEM THAT COULD BE MOUNTED ON A VEHICLE THAT THE CITY ALREADY HAS, THERE WILL BE TIMES THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT IN TREES. MAYBE WE DO ARBOR DAY AND WE PUT IN 30 TREES.

THOSE TREES NEED TO BE WATERED FOR 15-30 DAYS. THAT POINT TIME WE NEED THE WATER TRUCK. THE OTHER DAYS YOU DON'T. MY SUGGESTION IS MAKE A LESSER CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN A TANK THAT COULD BE TRAILER MOUNTED, OR A TANK ALREADY ON A TRAILER THAT WOULD JUST BE USED AS REQUIRED. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO PASS THAT RECOMMENDATION ONTO THE CITY MANAGER, OR JUST LET IT LIE.

IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE. >> MR. STEVENSON, WHEN THEY HAD A TREE NOW, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THEY PUT A WATER BAG THAT CONTINUES TO WATER IT FOR WHATEVER NUMBER OF DAYS.

>> USUALLY, MARK, IT'S USUALLY ABOUT -- OUR EXPERIENCE, WHEN WE PUT THE TREES DOWN AT THE TECH CENTER, I THINK WE WERE FILLING THOSE BAGS TWICE A WEEK. THAT IS A GATOR BAG.

SO, YOU CAN USE THE WATER TANK, -- I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY GATOR BAG IS NOT IDEAL.

IT WOULD LET YOU, YOU KNOW, CARRY THE WATER. WE HAD TO TAKE A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET OF HOSE IS TO GET THOSE BAGS FILLED. I MIGHT BE AN ALTERNATIVE.

I'M JUST LOOKING OUT ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT MIGHT SATISFY, YOU KNOW, REPLICATE THE NEED FOR AN INVESTMENT IN A TRUCK, A WATER TRUCK. I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO JUSTIFY FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT. IF I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, WE HAVE NOT DONE HUNDREDS OF TREES AT ANY ONE TIME. HAVING A VEHICLE WHERE THE CITY, EDEN'S CREEK BEING IN ANOTHER EXAMPLE WATER THE TREES AND HAVE A FACILITY TO DO IT AND THE CITY CAN TAKE CARE OF IT BY THEMSELVES. I JUST REALLY WANTED TO THROW IT OUT AS A THOUGHT, SINCE ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS AT THE TREATMENT SURVEY, WAS THE WATER TRUCK IS A MUCH BETTER SOLUTION FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. AGAIN, BUDGETS ARE TIGHT, NOW IS PROBABLY NOT THE TIME TO BE LOOKING AT A CAPITAL PROJECT THAT MIGHT HAVE A VERY QUESTIONABLE RETURN ON

INVESTMENT. >> I THINK YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

IN TERMS OF SOME KIND OF WATER TANK THAT COULD BE PUT ON A TRAILER.

IT WOULD BE MUCH CHEAPER, AND GET YOU TO THE SAME PLACE. SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SEVERAL

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HUNDRED GALLONS OF WATER THAT YOU CAN MOVE AROUND THE CITY. SO, KELLY CAN WE TAKE THAT AND MAYBE ADD IT BACK TO A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CAPITAL BUDGET?

OR LOOK HOW IT MIGHT FIT INTO YOUR BUDGET? >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD QUALIFY AS A CAPITAL ITEM. WHAT I HAD COST ESTIMATED OUT PREVIOUSLY, HE CERTAINLY DID NOT QUALIFY. UM, IT IS WELL UNDER $25,000. UM, BUT WE HAVE REQUESTED AS PART OF OUR UM, OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR UTILIZING THE TREE FUND UM WHICH IS ALLOCATED ONLY FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF NEW TREEPLANTING. UM, REQUESTING A TRUCK FOR OUR ARBORIST TO UTILIZE ON A DAILY BASIS. THROUGH THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO MOUNT A WATER TANK TO IT. UM, I BELIEVE THAT COSTS LESS THAN $5000.

SO, UM,.

AGO NOW UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO. A TRAILER TYPE SYSTEM IS ANOTHER

METHOD WE CAN LOOK AT. >> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL WORK ON THAT.

>> OKAY. >> THAT WOULD JUST BE ADDING A BUDGET ITEM.

>> THAT WILL WORK? >> ALL RIGHT MS. CHAIRMAN,, I AM DONE.

>> UM, I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR ACTUALLY, UM, MAYBE IT WAS FIRST OF THE YEAR.

THE TRAINING THAT OUR ATTORNEY WAS GOING TO GIVE US THAT WE WERE REQUIRED, I GUESS, ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE REQUIRED, BUT IT IS IN GOOD PRACTICE FOR US TO ALSO GO THROUGH THAT.

I DON'T WANT US TO GET TO THE END OF THE YEAR, WITHOUT HAVING HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR THE

STORY. >> I CAN DO IN PERSON TRAINING, IF YOU WISH.

YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE, AND EVEN OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE CHOSEN TO DO IT ONLINE WITH THE FLORIDA COMMISSION ON ETHICS. IT IS A FOUR HOUR TRAINING. IT DOESN'T TAKE QUITE THAT LONG TO DO ONLINE. BUT MY TRAINING IS ABOUT FOUR HOURS.

>> CAN YOU RESEND US THE LINK? >> SURE I CAN. ABSOLUTELY.

>> AND THEN WE CAN JUST DO IT ONLINE. IS THAT ALL RIGHT?

>> YES. >> ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD DONE THIS ALREADY?

>> I THINK I STILL HAVE THE LINK. I LOOK AT IT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

HAD A MULTIPLICITY OF CLASSES, I WASN'T SURE WHICH ONES WE SHOULD ACTUALLY TAKE.

20 WELL, REMEMBER, THIS IS ALL ISSUED, THIS IS VOLUNTARY. ONLY OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE REQUIRED TO DO IT. WHATEVER YOU THINK, THERE IS A TWO HOUR ETHICS QUESTION, AND A TWO HOUR SUNSHINE LAW PORTION. THAT IS THE REQUIREMENT. THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER

CLASSES ON THERE. >> THAT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM RIGHT THERE.

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>> THIS AFTERNOON, KELLY SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY OR TERM OF OFFICE AND WHERE YOU FALL OUT.

WITH THE NEW CHANGES TO THE BOARD, EVERYBODY GOT SLOTTED IN A TERM SEAT.

HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THAT? ARE WE ALL OKAY?

>> S. >> MR. BENNETT, YOU GET TO STAY UNTIL 2022.

AND THEN EAR, YOU CAN EAR, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU CAN ASK TO BE RE- UP.

>> WHY DO WE HAVE ELECTIONS ON OUR AGENDA? >> BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A

BOARD CHAIR. >> I CAN'T HEAR YOU. >> BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A

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BOARD CHAIR. >> WE HAVE A CHAIRMAN. THAT IS YOU.

>> NO, I AM THE VICE CHAIRMAN. >> SHE IS VICE CHAIR. >> IN PREVIOUS YEARS WE HAVE NEVER DONE ANYTHING, I MEAN, IF SHE'S NOT THERE, OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE -- CAN'T TAKE IT OVER.

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO HAVE AN ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT WHEN WERE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER ELECTION IN JANUARY, WERE GOING TO HAVE AN ELECTION IN JULY, THEN HAVE ANOTHER ONE IN

DECEMBER? THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. >> OKAY.

>> WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE GO AHEAD AND ENTER INTO A MOTION FOR CHAIRMAN, AND A VICE CHAIRMAN, THE EXISTING GROUP. HERE IS THE CONSIDERATIONS I WOULD PUT INTO IT. ONE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE POTENTIALLY HALF THE PAB, AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, IS GOING TO BE VERY NEW. TWO PEOPLE JUST COMING IN HERE, IN AUGUST. I MAY BE OFF OF THE BOARD. YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF NEW FACES THAT ARE COMING IN. AND, I THINK WE NEED TO STRUCTURE OURSELVES, HOW DO WE GET TO THE END OF THE YEAR I GET THE NEW PEOPLE JOINING UP TO SPEED SO THAT NEXT YEAR THE PAB HITS THE GROUND. WE KNOW FROM KELLY STANDPOINT, THERE IS A LOT THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE. UM, SO, I WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN. THE THINGS I WOULD THINK ABOUT WOULD BE ONE, DO YOU HAVE A VICE CHAIRMAN WHO WE ALREADY ELECTED AND CAN JUMP INTO THE SADDLE RIGHT NOW? SHE WILL BE WITH US, WORST CASE, AT LEAST THROUGH NOVEMBER. WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT A VICE CHAIRMAN, SOMEBODY THAT HAS EXPERIENCE I CAN JUMP IN AND TAKE OVER, TELL WE GET A WHOLE

NEW BOARD STRUCTURED NEXT YEAR. >> WE HAVE NEW PEOPLE THAT WILL BE APPOINTED BETWEEN NOW AND

DECEMBER. UM WEIGHT. >> I DON'T SEE THE URGENCY TO DO

THIS RIGHT NOW. THAT'S ALL. >> MR. STEVENSON, I DIDN'T HEAR

ANY NAMES, BUT DID YOU MAKE A MOTION? >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION, I WILL FORMALIZE IT. THE BOARD TO SELECT MS. AS THE NEW BOARD CHAIRMAN, AND TO NOMINATE MR. BENNETT AS THE VICE CHAIR.

>> I SECOND THAT. >> CAN ANSWER THAT SINCE MY NAME IS THERE?

>> SURE. I MEAN, I SERVED AS CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN, AND THEN CHAIRMAN AGAIN FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LEFT IN THE PAST. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, I WOULD SUGGEST SCHAEFER BECOME VICE CHAIRMAN. TYPICALLY, THE BOARD HAS ALWAYS HAD SOME OF THE LONGER-TERM MEMBERS TO THE CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN POSITION.

SO, IF YOU ARE INSISTING ON DOING THIS, FOR THE REST OF THE AIR, THAT WOULD BE MY

SUGGESTION. WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> I AM OPEN TO THAT, AS WELL.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO AMEND MY MOTION TO FOZ YES. >> I WOULD.

>> MS.

SCHAEFER TO BE THE VICE CHAIR. >> THE REMAINING PORTION OF THIS YEAR?

>> YES, THIS WOULD TAKE US THROUGH YEAR END 2020. >> I SECOND THAT.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY "I". ALL OF THOSE OPPOSED.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR VOTE OF CONFIDENCE. I WILL WORK HARD TO DO A GOOD JOB FOR EVERYONE THROUGH THE YEAR. SO, WE HAVE SOME BOARD MEMBER APPLICATIONS TO LOOK AT. AS YOU KNOW, LAST MONTH WE SUBMITTED THE NAME TO THE COMMISSION FOR ONE OF THE SEATS. SO, I THINK WE HAVE ONE VACANT SEAT WE SHOULD UM CONSIDER.

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WE HAVE THREE CANDIDATES. UM, MR. BENNETT, BASED ON YOUR PAST EXPERIENCE HOW HAVE WE

WALKED THROUGH THESE IN THE PAST >> ANY NUMBER OF WAYS. RIGHT NOW, I AM NOT PREPARED TO RECOMMEND ANY SINGLE PERSON TO THE COMMISSION. IN SOME CASES WE HAD, FOR EXAMPLE, SHE WOULD ATTEND A MEETING, AND A LOT OF THE INPUT, IT WAS KIND OF A NATURAL THING TO MOVE HER ONTO THE BOARD. IN THIS CASE, I DON'T KNOW SOME OF THOSE OTHER PEOPLE.

I HAVE NOT SEEN THEM AT THE MEETINGS. I'M NOT WILLING, PERSONALLY, TO RECOMMEND ANY OF THOSE CANDIDATES AT THIS POINT. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO MOVE THEM ALL TO THE COMMISSION, AND THAT THE COMMISSIONS STRAIGHTENED OUT.

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF HANDS UP IN THE ROOM. HOLD ON.

>> SO, TO REMIND YOU ALL, THE APPLICANT, BARBARA GETTING HER, YOU ALL ALREADY MADE A RECOMMENDATION. I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE WHO DID THAT.

>> WE'VE ALREADY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION. I WOULD NOT GO BACK AND CHANGE

THAT. >> RIGHT. I WOULD NOT EITHER.

>> THE CITY COMMISSION DID NOT VOTE ON THAT ON TUESDAY, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. >> JULY 21. >> OKAY.

OKAY. WE WILL SIMPLY BE ADDING A SECOND APPLICANT RECOMMENDATION

TO THE VOTE THAT WILL TAKE PLACE ON THE 21ST? >> IS THAT TRUE?

>> YES, THAT IS IF YOU WISH TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. YOU HAVE TWO NAMES AND ONE SEAT LEFT. TRAN23 NAMES. TRAN23 NAMES AND ONE SEAT LEFT.

>> WHEN THAT'S THE CASE, THE APPLICANTS ARE NOT HERE TO BE INTERVIEWED, THE BOARDS A LOT OF TIMES DO WHAT MR. BENNETT SAID. IT IS HARD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THREE.

I DON'T KNOW ANY THAT STAND OUT, SINCE I DON'T KNOW THEM. LET'S JUST SEND THE OTHER THREE NAMES, FOR THE ONE REMAINING SEAT TO THE COMMISSION. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT'S WHAT YOU DO. YOU CAN CERTAINLY MAKE NO RECOMMENDATION, OR YOU CAN MAKE

A RECOMMENDATION UP OR DOWN ON ANY OF THE NAMES. >> OR, WE COULD INVITE THEM TO

COME AND TALK TO US. >> YES, YOU CAN. >> DOES NOT DELAY THE POSSIBLE

APPOINTMENT THEN? >> YEAH. >> I THINK THEY MAY BE ON THIS

CALL NOW. >> JOHN BOYLAN IS ON. HE'S ONE OF THE CANDIDATES.

>> I AM HERE. >> THANK YOU. >> AS A PAST PRACTICE THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS OFTEN HAPPENED. MOST OF THE TIME, AND INTERESTED APPLICANT WILL APPEAR BEFORE THE BOARD FOR INTRODUCTION PURPOSES. IT IS UNUSUAL TO HAVE THREE APPLICANTS, AT THE SAME TIME. I WILL SAY THAT. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A UNIQUE SITUATION FOR US ON THE PLANNING BOARD. ALL THREE APPLICANTS, WERE INVITED TO ATTEND THIS MEETING. THEY WERE ALL PROVIDED THE SAME DOCUMENTS YOU HAVE RECEIVED HERE

TONIGHT IN ORDER TO EFFECTIVELY PARTICIPATE. >> ONE OTHER ALTERNATIVE.

THIS IS JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. YOU HAVE ONE CANDIDATE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED, OR RECOMMENDED TO THE CITY COMMISSIONERS COULD YOU THREE OTHER CANDIDATES. YOU COULD RANK THEM ONE, TWO, THREE, EACH OF US COULD RANK THEM IN TERMS OF OUR FEELING, OF WHICH WOULD BE THE BEST FIT FOR THOSE OPEN SLOTS.

I'M PASSED OUT ONTO THE CITY COMMISSION. HERE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE CAN SUMMARIZE THAT, SAY MR. JOHN BOYLAN GOT FOUR VOTES OUT OF THE FIVE, WHATEVER AND DOWN THE LIST. BASICALLY YOU'RE GOING TO PICK ONE OUT OF THREE.

IT WOULD JUST BE A MORALITY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE BOARD, OR IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO THAT FAR, JUST A HERE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM EACH OF THE PAB MEMBERS IN TERMS OF THEIR RANKING OF THESE THREE CANDIDATES. ANY THOUGHTS?

>> I THINK THAT IS CERTAINLY ONE WAY TO DO THAT AREA UM, OTHER THAN JUST READING A RESUME,

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WHICH IS WHAT BASICALLY THIS IS UM THERE IS SO MUCH MORE -- THAT IS WHY WHEN YOU INTERVIEW, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AN EMPLOYEE, IT DOES START WITH A RESUME. BUT THEN THE NEXT STEP IS TO ACTUALLY TALK TO THEM, OR HAVE AN INTERVIEW. TO RANK PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME THINGS, I WON'T SAY THAT ARE REVEALED IN AN INTERVIEW, BUT THAT IS WHY YOU DO HAVE AN INTERVIEW. THE COMMUNICATION SKILLS.

WAYS OF ARTICULATING CERTAIN UM THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO EXPRESS.

THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT WE WOULD MISS BY JUST ARBITRARILY -- TRAN WHAT IS YOUR

RECOMMENDATION? >> I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE SEND ALL THREE OF THESE TO THE

CITY COMMISSION. >> REALLY? >> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

>> I WILL CHECK THEIR FACEBOOK. >> I WILL SAY THIS, SINCE WE WE INVITED THE THREE CANDIDATES TO COME TODAY, THERE'S ONE HERE, PERHAPS WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM HIM.

>> THERE ARE TWO HERE. >> BARB IS HERE. >> BUT, YOU ARE NOT UNDER CONSIDERATION AT THIS POINT. WE HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED YOUR NAME TO THE COMMISSION.

>> I'M SORRY. >> NO APOLOGY NECESSARY. SO, UM, THE OTHER OPTION IS WE COULD HAVE MR. JOHN BOYLAN TELL US WHAT HE APPLIED. WE COULD ASK HIM SOME QUESTIONS.

AND UM, THEN WE COULD UM, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION ON. I MEAN, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THAT ALL THREE WERE

INVITED AND ONE CAME. DOES NOT INTEREST ANYONE? >> YES.

>> THAT IS FINE WITH ME. >> ESTHER BOYLAN? THANK YOU FOR SITTING THROUGH A REALLY LONG MEETING. AND UM, THANK YOU FOR UM APPLY FOR THIS JOB READY VOLUNTEERS ARE UM, VERY VALUABLE PEOPLE. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO TELL US AS TO WHY YOU APPLIED

AND WHY YOU THINK YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE PAB? >> I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE CITY FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS. I AM AN ENGINEER UP IT WAS STRUCK FEEL LIKE I CAN BRING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE TO THINGS, BASED ON THAT EXPERIENCE.

I AM A RETIRED ENGINEER FOR PROCTER & GAMBLE COME ALSO. I'M VERY INVOLVED WITH SEVERAL OF THE NONPROFIT BOARDS ON THE ISLAND. SEVERAL FOLKS ON THE CALL KNOW ME FROM BEFORE. I FEEL LIKE I GIVE A -- I BRING A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE TO THINGS, AT A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ALL THE WAY AROUND. AND, I LIVE OVER IN AND MILLION

PARK SIX OF THE YEARS, FOR THE YEARS IN AMELIA WOOD. >> WHERE YOU ACTUALLY A MEMBER

OF THE PAB? >> YES, I WAS A MEMBER FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS BEFORE HE LOST HIS ELECTION. AND I WAS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE AS WE WERE MAKING SOME CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. REALLY, OBVIOUSLY, THE MILLS AT THAT POINT WERE VERY INVOLVED. THEY ENGINEERED THE MILL I WAS ABLE TO SHED SOME LIGHT ON PERSPECTIVE UM FROM THE MILL STANDPOINT. A GOOD BALANCE.

>> OKAY. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BOYLAN?

>> SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. >> I'M SORRY? >> HE SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

I LIKE THAT HE HAS BEEN HERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AS WELL. >> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BOYLAN, WE WILL CLOSE THE FLOOR. DOES THAT BRIEF PRESENTATION GIVE YOU ANY MORE IDEA, OR THOUGHT ABOUT RECOMMENDING ONE OVER THE OTHER?

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DO YOU STILL WANT TO SEND ALL THREE UP TO THE COMMISSION? >> I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO MAKE ONE RECOMMENDATION. I DON'T WANT TO BE THE MINORITY POSITION. I THINK IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE A JOINT DECISION.

BECAUSE ALL OF THIS DEAL WITH WITH THIS DECISION PROCESSES. >> I RESPECTED THAT HE CAME FOR

THIS MEETING AND HE CARES ENOUGH TO BE HERE AND PARTICIPATE. >> ALL RIGHT, WOULD YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR A MOTION THAT WE SENT HIM FORWARD AS A RECOMMEND A CANDIDATE?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SENT FORWARD JOHN BOYLAN AS A RECOMMENDED CANDIDATE.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND. >> IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION? ARE WE READY TO VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY "I".

OPPOSED? YOU ARE ABSTAINING, MR. BENNETT?

>> I THINK I SAW HIS HAND. >> WAS AT A GAS, OR A NO? >> I WAS MUTED.

I AM SORRY. THAT IS A YES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS.

MR. BOYLAN, WE WILL SEND YOUR NAME ONTO THE CITY COMMISSION AS OUR RECOMMENDED CANDIDATE.

WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. >> SOUNDS GOOD. HANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

>> ANY OTHER BOARD BUSINESS? DO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THE STAFF REPORTS, OR ARE WE TIRED?

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>> I THINK UM, KELLY HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH SOME OF THEM ALREADY.

>> I LOOKED AT ALL OF THEM MYSELF. I TYPICALLY LOOK AT THE MEETING AGENDA THAT IS COMING UP, AND THEIR PACKETS. I AM ASSUMING YOU'RE ASKING

ABOUT THE OTHER BOARDS AND WHAT IS GOING ON? >> RIGHT.

ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR YOU HAD QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO TO RESPOND TO?

>> NOT FOR ME. >> THE OF THE -- THE ONLY OTHER THING I SAY, AS I DIDN'T FIND THIS UNTIL I GOT TO THE VERY END, THERE IS TREE NOW. YAY.

KELLY AND I TALKED TODAY ABOUT SOME NEW THINGS ABOUT THIS TIS CONTRACT WE HAVE AT THE COUNTY.

WE WILL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GET BETTER QUALITY UM AERIAL VIEWS SO THAT WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF UM MAYBE EVEN RESETTING THE BASELINE FOR CANOPY ON HOW IT CAN GROW, AND HOW WE CAN TRACK IT. SO, UM, THIS IS UM, THIS IS A GOOD START.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK DAVID FOR HIS WORK. I KNOW HE WORKED HARD ON THIS.

>> YEAH. I WOULD ALSO PASS ON A COMMENT THAT I LEARNED QUITE A BIT.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT HE BROUGHT UP IN THEIR WHERE WE HAVE SOME OBVIOUS VARIANCES IN TERMS OF DATABASES AND SO FORTH. I THINK IT AT LEAST STARTS TO GET THE MENTAL JUICES FLOWING WITH THINGS WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE AND HOW WE NEED TO ADDRESS ISSUES, AND MAYBE EVEN HOW WE USE TECHNOLOGY.

I WOULD SECOND THAT. THA IS A GOOD FIRST STEP. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

KELLY, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH US THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT ALREADY?

>> NO. >> YES? >> THIS IS MISCELLANEOUS.

I DID NOT READ IN ITS ENTIRETY THE JUST PRESENTED COUNTY VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT PHASE

TWO, AN 80 PAGE DOCUMENT THAT HAS JUST COME OUT. >> I DIDN'T READ IT EITHER.

>> IS THERE A WAY SHORT OF US TAKING IT DOWN TO STAPLES, AND HAVING IT PRINTED -- IS IT IN

BOOK FORM THAT WE CAN GET A COPY OF IT? >> I DON'T HAVE A PHYSICAL COPY

OF IT AT ALL. I HAVE THE VIRTUAL VERSION. >> HOW TO REMOVE THE STAPLES?

>> IS A COPYRIGHTED? CAN YOU DO IT? >> I DON'T SEE WHY NOT.

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>> YOU CAN PHOTOCOPY IT. >> THAT WAS ONE QUESTION. THE SECOND ONE IS, I KNOW ON OUR MINUTES THAT WE RECORD WHO WAS HERE VIRTUALLY, AND WHO WAS HERE IN PERSON.

WE YOU MAKE THOSE DOUBTS AS TO WAS HERE PERSONALLY. >> ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WELL, I NOW CALL THIS MEETING ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I WILL SEE YOU ON JULY 22.

>> THANK

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