Jun 02, 2020 Regular Meeting

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>> OKAY, FOLKS. WE WILL CALL TO ORDER THE FERNANDINA BEACH REGULAR MEETING.

CALL THE ORDER. >> HERE.

HERE. HERE.

HERE. >> IF WE COULD ALL PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AGAIN HERE. JUST WANT TO TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO JUST EXPLAIN THE STATE OF OUR SITUATION.

RELIGION WISE FROM A STANDPOINT AND A COMMUNITY WISE STANDPOINT.

SADLY, ONE OF THE EARLY ACTION USE OF RACISM IS TO DEHUMANIZE ANOTHER HUMAN BEING, THUS DETACHING ONE'S SELF FROM THEIR SIGNIFICANT HERITAGE AND ANCESTRY WHICH IN OUR CASE ORIGINATED IN AFRICA. THE RECENT SENSELESS EVENTS INVOLVING MURDERS OF MANY UNARMED BLACK MEN BY LAW ENFORCEMENT SOLIDIFIES THAT FACT.

LAST WEEK GEORGE FLOYD WAS ASPHYSIATED ON THE STREETS OF MINNESOTA BY POLICE WHO HAD A KNEE ON HIS NECK FOR OVER EIGHT MINUTES AND SOME ODD SECONDS. THIS SHOULD DEEPLY BE TROUBLING TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US REGARDLESS OF RACE.

STANDING IN SOLIDARITY WITH OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF DIFFERENT ETHNICITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY IS THE FIRST STEP TOWARDS A PEACEFUL SOLUTION TO WHAT WE SEE GOING ON WITH THE WORLD TODAY. WHILE FEELING THE EMOTION OF ANGER IS UNDERSTANDABLE, I DO NOT CONDONE THE VIOLENCE OR THE VENGEFUL RETALIATION THAT IS OCCURRING.

A FEW JARRING FACTS. 95% OF THE BLACK PEOPLE THAT YOU WILL MEET -- -- THIS REPRESENTS A NUMBER IS DISCOURAGING.

GEORGE FLOYD WAS NOT HIS -- THE LOVE FOR OUR MOTHERS. IN THE END HE CALLED OUT FOR HIS MOTHER. THE ONE PERSON HE LOVED MORE THAN LIFE. MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN COME TO A UNIFIED UNDERSTANDING THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE IS A THREAT

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LOVING LORD, THANK YOU FOR THE WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF YOUR LIFE, WHICH WAS LIVED IN SPIRIT AND THE TRUTH.

A LIFE THAT DEMONSTRATED LOVE AS WELL AS JUSTICE.

A LIFE THAT CARED FOR ALL HUMANITY, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO WERE WEAK OR HURTING OR MARGINALIZED.

FOR THOSE WHO WERE NOT SINKING INTO A PIT OF DESPAIR AND POVERTY. BE CLOSE TO ALL WHO ARE FEELING THE FEELING OF OPPRESSION AND HOLD THEM WITH THE WARMING BREATH OF YOUR LOVE AND YOUR GRACE.

KEEP US, WE PRAY, FROM MAKING WRONG JUDGMENTS ABOUT THOSE THAT ARE SUFFERING, AFFLICTED OR HAVE BEEN OVERTAKEN BY THE CHALLENGES. GIVE US A WIDER PERSPECTIVE ON LIFE AND A PART OF COMPASSION AND KINDNESS ESPECIALLY ON THOSE WHO FEEL ALONE, UNLOVED OR UNCARED FOR.

MAY WE BECOME YOUR EYES AND EARS AND MAKE YOUR HEART OF LOVE AND GRACE, LORD, TO THOSE WHO ARE IN NEED.

LOOK DOWN IN PITY ON ALL WHO ARE SUFFERING LOSS, POVERTY OR UNJUST DISCRIMINATION AT THIS TIME.

AND WE PRAY THAT YOUR BEST TIME, YOUR BEST JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL IN EACH OF OUR LIVES. THANK YOU, LORD.

WE ASK IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS, LET EVERYONE SAY AMEN.

AND THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

VERY IMPORTANT WORDS AT A VERY IMPORTANT TIME SO REALLY APPRECIATE IT. OKAY.

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HOW ARE YOU DOING? >> VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. ARLENE FILKOFF, TARPON AVENUE, HUNTINGTON BEACH. THE MESSAGE YOU BROUGHT TONIGHT WAS VERY PERTINENT FOR US AT THIS TIME AND ALL TIMES.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. WITH THAT SAID, I HAVE MORE GOOD NEWS. WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THAT, OKAY, I DID IT. ACCOMPLISHMENT THIRD QUARTER.

I WOULD HAVE TO SUMMARIZE ALL THESE BULLETS BY SAYING THAT MOST OF THE THIRD QUARTER ENDED UP BEING SPENT ON CORONAVIRUS AND THE IMPACT OF THAT VIRUS AND THE SHUTDOWN ON OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES IN THE MAIN STREET DISTRICT.

WE PARTICIPATED IN A LOT OF VARIETY OF EVENTS WHO HELPED THE BUSINESSES INCLUDING PROVIDING THEM WITH DAILY COMMUNICATIONS.

THERE WERE SOME DAYS WHEN THEY PROBABLY RECEIVED AS MANY AS SIX, SEVEN OR MORE E-MAILS ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON, HOW TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEIR RULES NEEDED TO BE.

HOW TO BE COMPLIANT BECAUSE THE RESTAURANTS WERE ALWAYS ABLE FROM THE BEGINNING TO DO CURBSIDE PICKUP.

SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY AT LEAST COULD STAY IN BUSINESS DURING THAT TIME. BOTH RULES WERE CHANGING REGULARLY AND OUR JOB WAS TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE UP ON THE LATEST. PROBABLY THE MOST SATISFYING THING WE DID WAS AS SOON AS ALL OF THIS STARTED I CALLED AND SAID WOULD YOU KEEP OUR RESTAURANTS IN MIND.

THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO COOK BUT IF YOU NEED THAT FOOD, LET'S GET IT TOGETHER. SO WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO WAS FACILITATED AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND THREE DOWNTOWN RESTAURANTS TO PROVIDE MEALS FOR BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND FOR MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM. SO SUGAR AND SPICE, GARDEN STREET BISTRO AND DELUCA'S PARTICIPATED.

STEPHANIE ACTUALLY DEDICATED HER ENTIRE KITCHEN TO THIS PROGRAM DURING MUCH OF THE SHUTDOWN. WE COORDINATED AT LEAST ONE AND PROBABLY MORE THAN ONE, FORUM ON BRINGING PEOPLE TO SEDC REPRESENTATIVES TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE CARES ACT PROGRAM AND WHAT WAS AVAILABLE TO THEM, WHAT THEY WERE ELIGIBLE FOR AND WHAT IT MEANT TO ASK FOR SUCH A PROGRAM.

SO WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THEM.

WE DID SEVERAL MARKETING VIDEOS DOWNTOWN INCLUDING OUR VIRTUAL

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RESTAURANTS SERVED SHRIMP SPECIALS.

WE ACTUALLY HAD PEOPLE SAY IT WAS THE ONLY UPLIFTING THING THEY HAD SEEN IN AWHILE. SO THAT WAS KIND OF COOL.

AND THE KIDS SEEMED TO REALLY ENJOY IT AS WELL.

WE CONDUCTED TWO BUSINESS SURVEYS AND THE CHAMBER, WE ASSISTED THE CHAMBER WITH A SURVEY THAT THEY CONDUCTED BY PROVIDING MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL MAIN STREET PROGRAM SURVEY TEMPLATE. WE SHARED ALL THE RESULTS OF THOSE SURVEYS WITH THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN SO THEY KNEW, YOU KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

THE CUSTOMER CONFIDENCE SURVEY WAS ONE THAT WE PUT ON OUR WEBSITE. WE WERE AMAZED THAT WITHIN THREE DAYS WE HAD 300 RESPONSES AND MORE WERE TRICKLING IN.

TYPICALLY ON OUR WEBSITE, THAT'S NOT A HEAVY DUTY TRAFFIC PLACE ANYMORE AS MUCH AS FACEBOOK OR SO MANY OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA, SO WE WERE DIRECTING THEM THERE. CUSTOMERS' CONFIDENCE, THE BIGGEST POINT PEOPLE CHOOSE NOW AS TO WHERE THEY GO TO EAT IS THE CLEANEST AND THE ONES THAT ARE COMPLYING WITH THE CDC GUIDELINES. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

WE SHARED THAT WITH THE BUSINESSES.

WE ALSO IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS AND MAYOR MILLER AND I WORKED ON THIS TOGETHER. WE HAD A BUSINESS WHO WAS TOLD THEY HAD TO LEAVE BY THE END OF MAY.

THE LEASED SPACE THAT THEY WERE IN.

SO WE WORKED ON COORDINATING WITH ANOTHER OPEN SPACE TO GET THEM INTO THAT SPACE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

AND THEY WILL BE OPENING THIS WEEK THERE.

WE ALSO -- THIS IS A PERSON WHO ONLY GOT ON FACEBOOK IN MY LIFETIME TO SEE MY GRANDCHILDREN, BUT I HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH. SOME I LIKE.

SOME NOT SO MUCH. BUT WE WERE ABLE TO DO A LOT OF MARKETING ON A DAILY BASIS FOR OUR BUSINESSES, AND WHEN THEY OPENED, LET PEOPLE KNOW IF THEY WERE DOING BUSINESS ONLINE.

MANY OF THESE BUSINESSES DID NOT HAVE AN ONLINE PROFILE AT ALL.

WE IMPLEMENTED A TEMPORARY USE APPLICATION FOR THE USE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.

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THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE LIMITED CAPACITY THAT WE FEEL NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THE SPACING, THESE FOLKS WILL PROBABLY NOT GET BACK TO PRECOVID NUMBERS AND THAT'S ONLY IF WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND WAVE. THEY ARE OPERATING AT A LOSS RIGHT NOW. THERE WILL BE HIRING DONE RIGHT NOW. MUCH OF THE HIRING WILL BE NEW HIRES. SOME PEOPLE WERE MAKING MORE MONEY. IF SOCIAL DISTANCING REMAINS A REQUI REQUIREMENT, 100% CAPACITY WILL NEVER BE REACHED. BARS ARE DEPENDENT ON CAPACITY.

CRITICAL NEEDS, BUSINESS NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THEY NEED SANITIZING PRACTICES AND TOOLS LIKE HAND SANITIZER AVAILABLE.

THEY NEED DEDICATED SEATS. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, THAT WE ARE BEING MADE AWARE OF ON A DAILY BASIS BY MAIN STREET. WE WERE ABLE TO GET A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM THEM. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

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>> MEMORIAL DAY NUMBERS WERE UP. SOME FELT IT WAS ALMOST LIKE THE OLD DAYS. THEY ALSO HAD TO LET PEOPLE WANT, YOU KNOW, TO LET CERTAIN NUMBERS OF PEOPLE IN THE STORE AT THE SAME TIME. DOING THAT, THEY WERE FORTUNATE BECAUSE THERE WERE PEOPLE ALL WEEKEND AND THE THREE DAY WEEKEND IS OUT. YOU CAN NEVER SAY EVERYBODY BECAUSE IT'S NEVER ANYBODY. BUT MANY HAD GOOD WEEKENDS.

>> WHO HAD THEIR LIGHT ON? WAS IT COMMISSIONER ROSS? THE LIGHT CHANGED AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

GO AHEAD, SIR. YOU'RE READY.

>> DON'T MESS THEM UP. THEY HAVE TO USE IT.

>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU AN YOUR MAIN STREET BOARD FOR WHAT YOU DO. YOU'VE BEEN A VALUABLE ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY. WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I'D LIKE TO QUESTION THE CITY COURT. THEY HAD SOME AUDIO ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE MASK. SHE RECOMMENDED THAT WE PULL THEM DOWN WHEN YOU SPEAK. IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE, IF YOU COULD LEAN IN. LET US KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY

MORE PROBLEMS. >> IT'S EASIER TO TAKE THEM OFF

TO TALK. >> IT IS EASIER.

>> I AGREE. >> NOT WHEN YOU'RE INFECTIOUS.

DR. ROSS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.

ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU.

HANG IN THERE. OKAY.

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YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR. >> I'M HAPPY TO BE FIRST.

THIS WOULD BE THE LAST BEACHES THAT I PUT ON CONSISTENTLY.

AFTER TONIGHT THE BEACHES CAN COME OFF AND THESE ISSUES THAT IN MANY CASES GET BEATEN TO DEATH WILL BE ADDRESSED APPROPRIATELY BY STAFF. I DO HAVE A COUPLE ISSUES TONIGHT ON BEACHES WITH MORE INFORMATION.

AS YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW WE STILL HAVE $500,000 IN THE STATE BUDGET TO ELIMINATE THE REMAINDER OF THE WALK THROUGHS TO WALKOVERS. THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE THE GOVERNOR IS NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THE BUDGET.

HE'S GONNA HOLD UNTIL THE END. BUT THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE WE WILL GET THAT MONEY. SO, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, THE STATE APRIL NUMBERS WERE A DEFICIT OF, THEY LOST $750 MILLION AND IN MAY THEY LOST $818 MILLION.

I GOT THIS INFORMATION FROM BUDDY JACOBS YESTERDAY.

BUT, THE STATE HAS MEGA, MEGA, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN RESERVE, AND THIS $500,000 FOR BASICALLY TEN WALKOVERS ELIMINATING THE GAPS IS RESILIENCY MONEY AND WE'RE MOVING INTO WHAT THEY'RE PREDICTING OF SERIOUS HURRICANE SEASON.

SO WE'LL SEE. I WON'T GET INTO THE DESIGN FACTORS. THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF ARE WHAT WILL WORRY ABOUT DESIGN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I WANT TO BRING UP IS THE BEACH RENOURISHMENT UNIT. WE WILL HAVE A BEACH RENOURISHMENT. IT WILL START IN NOVEMBER AND WILL RUN DECEMBER THROUGH MARCH. IT'S GOING TO BE TOTALLY NAVY FUNDED PROJECT. VERY LITTLE SAND ON THE CITY

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AS WE MOVE INTO WHAT WILL BE A SERIOUS BUDGET ISSUE, OUR ANCILLARY SERVICE HAS A BALANCE OF ABOUT $1.2 MILLION RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU REMEMBER, WE SET THAT UP IN 2015 TO PAY THE LOCAL SHARE OF RENOURISHMENT BASED ON 2008 WAS $1.5 MILLION.

THAT WAS ON A $15 MILLION PROJECT.

THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. THE PROJECT WHICH WAS A FIFTH OF THAT WAS A $32 MILLION. SO AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS MONEY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP IN MIND THE RESERVES.

GETS TO THE TDC, TOO. THE TDC HAS SOME RESERVES.

THEY PAID THE LOCAL SHARE LAST TIME.

THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THEY EVER PAID THE FULL AMOUNT.

SO, IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WATCH CLOSE.

ALSO, OUR CONTRACT WITH THE FDEP FOR BEACH RENOURISHMENT IS BASICALLY FINISHED. WE HAVE TO RENEGOTIATE A NEW CONTRACT. THAT CONTRACT PROVIDED 90% LOCAL FUNDING. THERE'S A NEW STATE LAW WHICH DOES NOT FAVOR US IN TERMS OF IT FAVORS HIGH DENSITY TOURIST AREAS MORE SO THAN US. REDEEMING IS WE HAVE 48 ACCESSES. AND THAT'S 90% OF OUR FUNDING.

THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT OF MONEY EXCEPT 9% OF $32 MILLION IS $9.2 MILLION. TAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL COME UP SHORT AND COME UP THROUGH THE STAFF NEGOTIATION OF THAT CONTRACT. THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE IS I'M GETTING LOTS OF COMPLAINTS ON PARKING, AS I'M SURE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE, ABOUT PARKING AND PARTICULARLY ON PRIVATE PR PROPERTY, BLOCKING PEOPLE IN. LOT OF IT UP IN THE NORTH END, NORTH BEACH PARKING. I TALKED TO CITY MANAGERS.

SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS AND LOOK AT.

THERE'S SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES US TO LOOK AT MULTILIVING PARKING FACILITIES AT MAIN BEACH SPECIFICALLY.

SO SOMETHING THAT WILL COME UP. IT WILL COME UP BY THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF. I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER, THERE WERE SOME PICTURES OF SOME WALKOVERS AND SOME WORK THAT WERE PUT ON BY SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE GOT ON

BEACHES. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> YES, THANK YOU.

TWO THINGS. THE FIRST IS I HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF E-MAILS, AS I THINK WE ALL HAVE, ABOUT INCREASING TRASH LEFT BEHIND ON THE BEACHES. AND I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY, WHO HAS CONTRACT FOR CLEANING THE BEACHES, AND ASK THEM IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO FACILITATE HELPING THE BEACH CLEANING SERVICE TO MAINTAIN OUR CLEAN BEACHES? UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? AND THE SECOND ONE, WHAT THE VICE MAYOR SAID ABOUT PARKING.

LAST THREE WEEKENDS ABOUT 2 P.M. IN THE AFTERNOON, FAITH AND I HAVE GONE DOWN TO THE PARKING LOTS.

GONE DOWN AND AROUND OCEAN AVENUE.

OCEAN AVENUE ON THREE OF THOSE DAYS, THERE WAS UP TO 175 CARS PARKED DOWN ON OCEAN AVENUE. 60% -- WE DID THE COUNT.

60% WERE 40%, 50%, 60% WERE OUT OF STATE PLATES.

ONE OF THE WEEKENDS, THE ENTIRE PARKING, ON ALL THREE WEEKENDS, THE ENTIRE PARKING LOTS ARE FULL AND PEOPLE ARE PARKED ILLEGALLY IN MANY PLACES. PUTTING UP SIGNS ONE WEEKEND HELPED A GREAT DEAL. THE NEXT DAY THE POLICE WENT IN AND PUT UP TEMPORARY SIGNS. SO I WAS WONDERING IF AT LEAST ONE OTHER COMMISSIONER WOULD JOIN ME IN TALKING, HAVING STAFF LOOK AT PUTTING UP MORE SIGNS FOR NO PARKING WHERE THERE IS NO PARKING. SO THAT WOULD HELP.

AND THAT THE FINE FOR PARKING ALONG THE BEACHES BE INCREASED FROM $25 TO $75. AND THE FINE FOR LITTERING BE INCREASED FROM $25 TO $500. WHICH THE LITTERING FINE IS VERY HARD TO ENFORCE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SEE SOMEBODY DOING IT, BUT I THINK IT MAKES A STATEMENT THAT WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT LITTERING.

IF YOU BRING YOUR STUFF, TAKE YOUR STUFF WITH YOU.

LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE FOR THE DAY.

THERE IS PAID PARKING AT OUR BEACHES.

WE, AS CITIZENS, ARE PAYING FOR OUR PARKING.

AND THEY'RE WELCOME TO USE IT, BUT WE ARE PAYING TO TAKE ALL THAT TRASH OUT, ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.

SO I THINK THAT IF WE CAN INCREASE THOSE TWO FINES, AT

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LEAST THAT WOULD HELP. >> COUPLE LIGHTS ON OF

COMMISSIONERS. >> ONE OF THE THINGS TALKED ABOUT, CITY ATTORNEY, IS, YES, IF WE WANT TO INCREASE THE FINES FOR PARKING, WHICH I, IN MY PRIVATE DISCUSSIONS WITH ALL OF YOU, THERE SEEMS TO BE A GENERAL CONCURRENCE OF THAT.

BUT IN ORDER TO GO THROUGH THE TRADITIONAL ORDINANCE PROCESS, DOING TWO READINGS, WE WOULD NOT HAVE THIS IN PLACE IN TIME FOR THE 4TH OF JULY WEEKEND. BUT DUE TO THE POWERS THAT ARE IN PLACE, DUE TO THE LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE, WE COULD USE THOSE EMERGENCY POWERS TO INCREASE IMMEDIATELY OR SHORTLY HEREAFTER, THE PARKING FINES TO $75 AND SIMULTANEOUSLY GO THROUGH THE ORDINANCE PROCESS TO MAKE THAT OFFICIAL LATER.

BUT IN ORDER TO HAVE IT IN PLACE FOR THE NEXT MAJOR HOLIDAY WEEKEND, WE CAN MAKE USE OF THE POWERS AND AUTHORITY AVAILABLE TO THE LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY. SO THINK ABOUT THAT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS LET ME KNOW NOW.

OTHERWISE, I'LL WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO CRAFT AN ORDER

TO THAT DEGREE. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> VICE MAYOR? >> I SUPPORT LOOKING AT PARKING SPECIFICALLY AND SIGNAGE. MOST OF YOU WEREN'T AROUND BACK WHEN EVENTS USED TO HAPPEN ON DAUPHIN AND EVERYBODY PARKED ON DAUPHIN RIGHT UP TO THE DUNES. WE WERE ACTUALLY VERY EFFECTIVE IN PUTTING UP SIGNAGE. TO THIS DAY IT'S EFFECTIVE.

I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. FINES ARE FINE, $75.

I HAVE A HARD TIME, YOU ENFORCE LITTER, IT'S DIFFICULT.

BUT I SUPPORT THOSE THINGS. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE BEACHES ARE A FUN PLACE AND KIDS TAKE TOYS TO THE BEACHES AND I FULLY EXPECT THAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE OUT THERE YELLING AT A KID BECAUSE HE'S GOT A LITTLE TUBE TUGBOAT. THEY ARE RECREATION FACILITIES.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. AND COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH?

>> THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDE YOUR

PRESENTATION ON BEACHES, SIR? >> YES.

>> I'LL FINISH UP BY SAYING I THINK ONE OF THE MAJOR ISSUES ARE CIGARETTE BUTTS. WE DISCUSSED THAT IN THE PAST.

WE KNOW HOW LONG THEY LAST AND HOW MANY ARE OUT THERE.

THAT'S A RELATIVELY EASY THING. IF PEOPLE DIDN'T SMOKE ON THE BEACH, THERE WOULDN'T BE BUTTS. PEOPLE SIT THERE AND TREAT THE BEACH LIKE AN ASHTRAY. WE ARE PRO-CLUEDED BECAUSE WE HAVE A PREEMSHUN, THEY PASSED THE CLEAN AIR LAW.

PART OF THAT LAW WAS WE COULDN'T REGULATE OUTSIDE SMOKING.

THE SIGNS YOU SEE IN FRONT OF RESTAURANTS THAT SAY NO SMOKING 50 FEET, IF IT'S NOT A SCHOOL OR HOSPITAL OR GOVERNMENT ENTITY, THOSE ARE REALLY JUST SIGNS. SO SMOKING, WE NEVER REALLY FOLLOWED UP ON IT. THERE IS A WAY WE CAN PUT UP -- GOVERNMENT SAYS YOU CAN'T PUT UP SIGNAGE THAT SAYS, THANK YOU FOR NOT SMOKING. WE COULD PUT THAT AT ALL BEACH ACCESSES. ANYBODY WHO WATCHES THIS WILL KNOW IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE. PEOPLE VISITING WITH THEIR CHILDREN WILL SAY, DAD, YOU CAN'T SMOKE ON THE BEACH.

IT'S A CLEVER USE OF SIGNAGE. WHEN WE'RE DOING THESE BUDGETS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT'S A CONSENSUS, IF WE COULD PUT THOSE AT OUR BEACH ACCESS LOCATIONS THAT JUST SAYS THANK YOU FOR NOT SMOKING. THERE WON'T BE AN ORDINANCE NUMBER, BUT THAT MAY GO A LONG WAY IN DETERRING SMOKING.

WOULD THAT BE GOOD? >> WE CAN'T --

>> THE BLESS YOUR HEART RULE. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM 5.2.

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DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> NO.

WE WERE JUST SIDEBARRING. >> THAT'S OKAY.

5.2 OCEAN HIGHWAY PORT AUTHORITY DESIGNING A PLACE ON THE AGENDA AT THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONER ROSS.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> THANK YOU.

I WOULD ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO SPEAK TO, AS YOU KNOW, WE ASKED FOR THE OCEAN HIGHWAY PORT AUTHORITY TO MOVE THE CHANNEL TO THE WEST SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE WENT THROUGH IF WE EVER HAD TO GO THROUGH AGAIN REDOING THE REGULATORS.

WE PRESENTED IT IN OUR LOCAL AGREEMENT.

THEN THE PORT AUTHORITY HAS COME BACK WITHIN OUR LOCAL AGREEMENT.

IF THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD SPEAK TO THAT, IT WOULD BE

APPRECIATED. >> YES, THEY HAVE INDEED.

WITHOUT -- HAVE YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT? I THINK I HAVE SPOKEN WITH EACH OF YOU AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT.

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SEVERAL MONTHS AGO I WROTE AN AGREEMENT, WE APPROVED IT HERE BY RESOLUTION AND IT SAID THAT THE CITY ACCEPTS ALL LEGAL AND FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY THAT THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS PUTS ON THE CITY, NOT THAT THE PORT AUTHORITY.

I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO BEGIN WITH AND I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD ACCEPT THAT LIABILITY.

NOW, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS MAY BE DEAD IN THE WATER, SO TO SPEAK, BUT I COULD ALSO ASK AND GO BACK ONE MORE TIME TO SEE IF THEY WOULD MAKE ANY CHANGES AND REMOVE THAT.

OR EVEN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEIR ATTORNEY AND SAY THAT'S NOT REASONABLE. SO I'M HAPPY TO DO IT, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S MOVING FORWARD NOW, BUT I'M WILLING TO MAKE ANOTHER TRY WITH HIM, AT LEAST CALL HIM UP AND SEE BEFORE

I WASTE MY TIME REWRITING IT. >> VICE MAYOR?

>> I SEE NO REASON THAT THE CITY SHOULD ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY. I ACTUALLY DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO PROCEED WITH MOVING THE CHANNEL.

MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WE WERE MOVING IT FOR THE NORTHERN EXPANSION, WHICH IS DEAD. IF THE MARINA SHOULD HAPPEN TO GET DAMAGED AGAIN NOW I THINK IF WE HAD KNOWN ABOUT THE 408 VARIANCE, WHICH WE DIDN'T WHEN THIS WHOLE THING STARTED, WE COULD VERY EASILY REBUILD TO THE 408 ORDINANCE.

THAT THERE'S REALLY NO NEED TO PURSUE THIS.

IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO, THAT'S FINE.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> I'D JUST LIKE TO REMIND YOU THE 408 ORDINANCE WAS NOT SIMPLE AND TOOK MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS. SO IF THIS WAS A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE, THE OTHER VIABLE ALTERNATIVE IS TO LOOK AT THE CHANNEL. I WOULD BE FOR YOU LOOKING TO GO BACK ONE MORE TIME AND SEE WHAT YOU COULD DO WITH THE OCEAN PORT

AUTHORITY. >> IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION

-- >> ANY OBJECTION?

>> REGARDING RECOMMISSIONING THE CHANNEL, IS THERE ANY DIRECTION TO MR. MARTIN OR I REGARDING THAT?

>> DECOMMISSION THE CHANNEL. >> DECOMMISSION, SORRY.

>> NOT RECOMMISSION, DECOMMISSION.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE PORT IS.

I'M TALKING ABOUT WHERE THEY DON'T NEED IT ANYMORE.

>> GOTCHA. YOU COULD TELL THAT DISTINCTION.

YOU COULD TELL HE KNOWS HOW TO HEAR THROUGH THE MASK.

>> FEW HOURS BEHIND MASKS. PERHAPS YOU AND I COULD WORK ON

THAT. >> SURE, SURE.

NO PROBLEM. AND I HAVE -- DR. ROSS, YOU'RE OKAY WITH ME JUST MENTIONING, WE HAVE THE JULY 15TH MEDIATION WITH THE PORT AUTHORITY REGARDING THE PILOT PAYMENT, THE PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES JULY 15TH.

IT WILL BE AT THE GOLF CLUB, THE CITY GOLF CLUB, SO WE CAN HAVE SOME MORE SPACE THAN WE WOULD HAVE HERE AND UPSTAIRS.

THAT WILL START AT 9:00 A.M. I DON'T EXPECT IT TO GO ALL DAY, BUT WE ARE 9:00 TO 4:00 SCHEDULED AT THE GOLF CLUB.

>> 9:00 A.M.? >> 9:00 A.M., YES, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REMARKS?

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>> YES, SIR. >> 5.3 LAND CONSERVATION QUESTIONED BY COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> I'M GOING TO YIELD MY TIME ON

5.3 AND 5.4 SO WE CAN MOVE ON. >> SURE.

5.3 AND 5.4 -- SORRY, GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER ROSS?

>> UNDER THE CONSERVATION, ONE ITEM THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER BECAUSE I ASKED STAFF IF THEY COULD LOOK INTO THIS. WHEN A TREE -- I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM A CONSTITUENT THAT THEY WERE CUTTING TREES DOWN ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIM AND HE HAD TRIED TO REACH THE CITY, TRIED TO REACH THE OFFICE. COULDN'T REACH ANYBODY.

THIS IS SOMEBODY ON ONE OF OUR PLANNING BOARDS.

HE COULDN'T GET THROUGH. SO I GOT ON THE PHONE.

IT TOOK ME A GOOD 45 MINUTES TO FIND SOMEBODY.

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ONE NUMBER WITH ONE PERSON WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR RESPONDING TO THAT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 24 HOURS IF SOMEBODY IS CUTTING A TREE DOWN AND THEY THINK IT'S ILLEGAL, THAT THEY CALL THIS NUMBER AND ALERT WHO EVER WE WANT ALERTED TO GO OUT AND -- CONVERSATION.

>> YEAH, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY WORTH MENTIONING ON LAND CONSERVATION THE ADDITIONAL $50,000 DONATION THE CONSERVATION FUND. THERE'S ALSO CHANGES TO THE MATCHING FUND IN HONOR OF MRS. DEAN.

IT WAS IN THE MEDIA BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO BRING UP.

>> YES. DO YOU HAVE DETAILS OF THAT?

>> I THINK IT'S $50,000 FROM THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE.

>> I HAD THIS IN MY MANAGER'S REPORT.

MISS GIBSON REPORTED THE ORIGINAL DONATORS WHO DONATED $100,000, THAT WAS THEN ELIGIBLE FOR MATCHING GRANTS HAS SINCE DONATED BECAUSE OF THE ADVOCATES OF MRS. BEAN, THEY UPPED THEIR CONTRIBUTION BY $50,000. THAT FAMILY HAS DONATED $150,000. THEY WILL MATCH UP TO ANOTHER $150,000 BASED UPON INDIVIDUAL AND CORPORATE DONATIONS.

AND THEY'VE ALSO EXTENDED THE TIMELINE TO MID NOVEMBER.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY MID AUGUST. NOW IT'S MID NOVEMBER.

WE'RE ABOUT $20,000 RIGHT NOW IN CONTRIBUTIONS THAT WERE PART OF THE ORIGINAL DONATION THAT WERE DONATED TO MATCH.

SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ROOM TO SOLICIT MORE DONATIONS.

SO THANK YOU TO THE FAMILY STILL CONTINUES TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS.

>> THAT'S FANTASTIC. THANK YOU, WHO EVER YOU ARE.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH? >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I'M MORE INTERESTED IN COMMISSIONER ROSS' STRUGGLES TO

REACH THE MONEY FOR 45 MINUTES. >> IT TOOK AWHILE UNTIL I GOT

HOLD OF SOMEBODY. >> AGAIN, IT'S TROUBLING WHEN WE HAVE A FULL-TIME ARBORIST. I'M ASSUMING THEY HAVE A CELL

PHONE. >> IT WAS THE ARBORIST WHO

FINALLY CALLED ME BACK. >> YOU WERE CALLING HIS CELL

PHONE? >> TO BE HONEST, I DON'T REMEMBER THE PARTICULARS. I DON'T REMEMBER THE

PARTICULARS. >> OKAY.

>> THAT'S MY POINT. THANK YOU.

>> HOW ABOUT BRINGING THE THERMOMETER BACK.

IF WE HAVE A VISUAL. >> WE ARE WORKING ON UPDATING

THAT. >> GREAT.

THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY.

THAT CONCLUDES THE LAND CONSERVATION, COMMISSIONER?

>> YES, SIR. >> OKAY.

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MR. ROSS YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR.

>> NORTHERN ATTENUATOR STARTED PULLING OUT PILE-ONES TODAY.

HOPEFULLY, THE MARINA SHOULD BE UP AND RUNNING BY BEGINNING OF JULY WITH FUEL. IF THE CITY MANAGER COULD TALK ABOUT FEMA FOR A FEW MINUTES AND ONE LAST THING.

I SENT OUT A QUESTIONNAIRE TO THE BOARD ASKING ABOUT THINGS THAT WERE -- HAD TO DO WITH THE BUDGET GOING FORWARD.

I DID NOT SEND A ECONOMY TO YOU ALL BECAUSE I CAN'T.

BUT I WILL SEND THAT WHEN I GET ALL THOSE RESPONSES BACK, I WILL SEND THAT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND HAVE HIM FORWARD THOSE TO YOU. MORE IMPORTANTLY, FORWARD IT TO THE PEOPLE, THE STAFF THAT'S DOING THE BUDGET FOR THE MARINA.

THE ISSUES THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT WERE ABOUT DISCOUNTING FUEL FOR A RESERVE FUND, DRE

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>> THIS IS A CORRESPONDENCE FROM FEMA.

TWO PACKETS YOU HAVE, THE COVER PAGE IS IDENTICAL.

IT'S THE SAME LANGUAGE. SO IF YOU LOOK ON ONE OF THE PAGES HALFWAY THROUGH REGARDING LINE ITEM, IT SAYS PW831 ON THE VERY FIRST COVER PAGE OF THE TOP DOCUMENT.

PROJECT WORK SHEET 831 IS THE SOUTHERN ATTENUATOR.

IF YOU WANT TO WRITE ON YOUR SHEET.

THE NEXT PACKET IS PROJECT 1085, WHICH IS THE NORTHERN ATTENUATOR. SO LET'S FIRST TALK ABOUT THE NORTHERN ATTENUATOR, THE SECOND ONE.

BASICALLY, THE CITY REQUESTS FOR THE AMOUNT AT ISSUE, THIS IS ON THE SECOND PAGE. CITY ASKS OR REQUESTED $1.4 MILLION, DENIED APPROXIMATELY $200,000 OF THAT $1.4 MILLION.

THAT ALONE WAS PROBABLY SUFFICIENT.

BUT ON THE SOUTHERN ATTENUATOR, THE AMOUNT AT ISSUE WAS $6.4 MILLION AND FEMA REJECTED $5.8 MILLION.

SO WE HAVE 60 DAYS TO APPEAL. I HAVE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO THE CITY'S DISASTER ASSISTANCE CONSULTANT.

SO INSTEAD OF THE ROUGHLY $7.9 MILLION OR $8 MILLION THAT WAS ORIGINALLY INCLUDED, IT'S NOW DOWN ABOUT $2.5 MILLION.

DOWN ABOUT $2 MILLION. WE HAVE 60 DAYS TO APPEAL.

I'M GOING TO REACH OUT TO A MARINE ENGINEER TO PERFORM A THIRD PARTY REVIEW. THE CONSULTANT THAT PROVIDED THE FIRST DAMAGE ASSESSMENT TO REVIEW ATM'S WORK AND TO VALIDATE ATM'S ORIGINAL CLAIM THAT THE MARINA SHOULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED NOT REPAIRED. THAT'S THE CRUX OF THE FEMA REJECTION. FEMA IS ARGUING, OR STATING, THAT THE SOUTHERN DOCKS SHOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN REPAIRED, NOT REPLACED. WHICH WE FIND ODD BECAUSE IN OUR OPINION, THE NORTH WAS LESS DAMAGED THAN THE SOUTH.

I'M WORKING WITH THE COMPANY THE CITY HAS A CONTRACT WITH.

THEY ARE A DISASTER ASSISTANCE COMPANY.

I HAVE REACHED OUT TO OTHERS WHO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM TO GET A THIRD PARTY EVALUATION. WE FEEL THE FIRST APPEAL WILL BE REJ REJECTED.

SECOND APPEAL, FEELS VERY STRONGLY THAT -- WE HAVE THE FEMA DOCUMENT. WE HAVE 60 DAYS OR UNTIL JULY 27TH. THAT WILL IMMEDIATELY RISE.

WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S SOME ENGINEERS THAT I CAN REACH OUT TO, GET THEM TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS.

I DID PROVIDE COPIES TONIGHT. I WILL E-MAIL IT SO YOU CAN SHARE IT WITH OTHERS.

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>> WE HAVE TO MAKE THE FIRST APPEAL WITHIN 60 DAYS.

THEY HAVE 60 DAYS TO RESPOND. I DON'T KNOW YET.

AS SOON AS WE GET THAT WORKED OUT, I WILL SHARE IT WITH YOU.

>> I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT LONG.

I HAVE ASKED. IT MAY BE BEFORE 60 DAYS.

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YARD WASTE IS BASICALLY STUFF YOU GET FROM YOUR YARD, THE BRUSH AND SO ON. UNDER THE CONTRACT IT HAS TO BE BAGGED AND BUNDLED. THE FREQUENCY IS ONCE A WEEK.

TALKING TO ADVANCE, THE REASON THEY'RE STILL DOING CLAM SHELLS, THEY SAID IT WAS A SERVICE, THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY BASICALLY SAID WE'LL STILL DO IT, AS LONG AS WE CAN MAKE IT WORK SOMEWHAT FINANCIALLY.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO BUY WHAT THEY CALL A VACUUM TRUCK, WHICH TAKES UP ALL THE LEAVES BECAUSE THEY HAVE A HARD TIME WITH A CLAM SHELL PICKING UP LEAVES. BUT THEY CANNOT DO ANYTHING AT THIS POINT UNTIL IT'S DECIDED WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT. GOING THROUGH, THE OLDER STUFF'S BEEN FROZEN. AND THEN THERE'S THE ISSUE OF ILLEGAL DUMPING, WHICH THEY THINK IS ABOUT 10%, 15%, 20% OF THE STUFF THAT'S PUT OUT. SO WHEN YOU SEE A PILE LIKE THIS, A PILE LIKE THIS ALMOST TAKES UP AN ENTIRE TRUCK.

SO IF THEY SEND OUT A TRUCK, THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT OFF AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND SO THEY'VE GOTTEN BEHIND.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHEN WASTE MANAGEMENT COMES OVER, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF THEY WANT TO WORK THE CONTRACT AND THE CONTRACT SAID EVERY PERSON CAN NO LONGER PICK THIS UP, BUT THEY'LL BAG AND BUNDLE IT.

THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY THEY'D DO IT.

WHAT I LIKE AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE THIS TONIGHT, WHAT SHOULD WE DO? STATUS QUO AND HOPE FOR THE

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I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THOUGHT AND IF WE COULD COME UP WITH A PROCESS TO SOLVE THIS WHAT SEEMS LIKE A DILEMMA AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN.

>> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH WAS FIRST?

>> I DON'T HAVE MY LIGHT ON. >> EVERYBODY IS MOVED AROUND.

>> YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE -- >> MR. MAYOR?

>> IF YOU WANT TO WAIT OR GO AHEAD AND GO, THAT'S UP TO YOU.

>> DEPENDS HOW LONG SHE'S GOING TO TALK.

>> 20 SECONDS. THAT'S A GOOD ONE.

THE ASSIGNMENT CLAUSE IN THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT DOES NOT BIND THE CITY TO ACCEPT AN ASSIGNMENT LIKE WE HAVE IN OTHER CONTRACTS WHERE WE'RE PRETTY MUCH OUR HANDS ARE TIED.

THIS ASSIGNMENT PROVISION IS YOU ALL GET TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU ASSIGN THE CONTRACT TO WASTE MANAGEMENT.

NOW, BE VERY CAUTIOUS IF YOU THINK, OOH, WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD GO OUT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

WE HAVE AN ACQUISITION THAT'S HAPPENING, WE BELIEVE, WE UNDERSTAND FROM WHAT WE HEAR FROM ADVANCED DISPOSAL, IS JULY 15TH. WE DO NOT HAVE TIME TO FIND A NEW VENDOR BY JULY 15TH. SO WE'RE A LITTLE BEHIND THE EIGHTBALL IN TERMS OF HOW WE GET TO NEGOTIATE, BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY TRY. RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A LINE TO WASTE MANAGEMENT THAT WE CAN START THAT PROCESS YET.

BUT DO KNOW THAT WHEN IT COMES UP AND THEY COME TO US, WHICH THEY HAVE TO DO, THEY BEING WASTE MANAGEMENT AND ADVANCE TKES DISPOSAL, I'M GOING TO SET A SPOT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE JULY 7TH MEETING OR THE JULY 21ST MEETING JUST TO THAT WE'RE READY. SO THAT THERE'S NO -- BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO THE ASSIGNMENT, I THINK WASTE MANAGEMENT COULD SAY IT WOULD BE PROBABLY BAD FAITH, BUT THEY COULD SAY WE'RE NOT SERVING YOU UNTIL YOU APPROVE OUR ASSIGNMENT.

THAT'S ALL. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH.

>> I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER ROSS.

YOUR CONVERSATION, WAS IT MR. MONTGOMERY, THE FORMER WASTE

MANAGEMENT EXECUTIVE? >> NO.

IT'S CHARLIE LATHAM, THE JAX BEACH MAYOR.

ALSO SERVES AS THE CHAIR PERSON FOR THE LOCAL CHAPTER OF THE NATIONAL WASTE AND RECYCLING ASSOCIATION.

HE HAPPENS TO WORK FOR WASTE MANAGEMENT.

>> OKAY. DID COMMISSIONER ROSS, DID MR. LATHAM HAVE, DID YOU ASK HIM WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES, HOW THEY

HANDLE THIS? >> YEAH.

THEY BAG AND BUNDLE. >> BAG AND BUNDLE?

>> WE ARE PROBABLY THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA, ACCORDING TO HIM, AND I GOT ON THE INTERNET AND LOOKED, THAT HAS A CLAM SHELL SERVICE LIKE THIS.

>> AND HOW DO THEY HANDLE REALLY LARGE LIMBS?

>> MAKE A PHONE CALL AND YOU PAY FOR IT.

>> LIKE BULK PICKUP? >> YES.

IT'S AN EXTRA SPECIAL FEE. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD FORCE US TO BAG THE STUFF.

WE HAD THIS CONTRACT FOR QUITE AWHILE.

IF THAT WAS AN ISSUE, THEY SHOULD HAVE COME FORWARD BEFOREHAND. WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THEM NOT PICKING STUFF UP FOR A MONTH AT A TIME.

THEY ALWAYS HAVE AN EXCUSE. WE COULDN'T BECAUSE OF THE COVID, OUR TRUCKS ARE DOWN, THIS OR THAT, OR EXTRA YARD WASTE BECAUSE OF SEASONAL YARD WASTE. I DO BELIEVE, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. MANAGER, THE CITY HAS USED OUR TRUCK TO HELP. HAVE WE BILLED THEM FOR OUR TRUCK? SO WE'RE HELPING DO THEIR JOB, FULFILL THEIR CONTRACT, AND LAST MEETING WE GAVE THEM A RAISE.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. IF THEY'RE GONNA SAY YOU NEED TO

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AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO A REFUND BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIVE UP TO THE CONTRACT AND YET I PAID THEM. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS ALMOST LIKE SAYING, WELL, WE BETTER BE NICE OR THEY'RE GONNA MAKE US BUNDLE TRASH. WE NEED TO HOLD THEM TO THE LINE AS WELL. AND IF OUR TRUCK, OUR MAN IS OUT, WE NEED TO BILL THEM FOR THAT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT OUR FAULT WE GOT MORE WASTE. THAT'S NATURE.

AND IF THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THEY WROTE THE CONTRACT, SHAME ON THEM. IT'S NOT OUR FAULT IF THEY'RE DOWN MEN. IT'S NOT OUR FAULT IF THEIR TRUCKS BREAK. AND IF THEY DIDN'T ADJUST FOR THAT, SHAME ON THEM. SO, AGAIN, I WAS OPPOSED TO THEM GETTING A RATE INCREASE. I STILL AM.

I THINK THAT WE NEED TO SIT DOWN.

EARLY ON IN THIS CONTRACT, I KNOW THERE WERE MANY, MANY ISSUES. JEREMIAH WAS GETTING BEAT UP ALL THE TIME OVER TRASH COLLECTION. INSTEAD OF HOLDING THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE, WE WERE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO -- AND IT HASN'T GOTTEN ANY BETTER. THANK YOU.

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER? >> I THINK THERE'S TWO ISSUE.

I THINK THE PRIMARY ISSUE WE NEED TO ADDRESS IS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY IS ILLEGAL DUMPING.

THAT PICTURE WAS ILLEGAL DUMPING.

AND THERE ARE WAYS TO RESOLVE IT.

THE CITY IS WORKING ON IT. WE CAN POST SIGNS.

I REMEMBER IT USED TO BE A DUMPING AREA, WE POSTED SIGNS AND IT'S BEEN EFFECTIVE. WE HAVE SOME SIGNS THAT TALK ABOUT CAMERAS. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE THERE.

BUT WE NEED TO PUT SOME CAMERAS UP.

IF WE WANT TO CHARGE $500 FOR LEAVING TRASH ON THE BEACH.

IT'S CHEAPER TO GO OUT TO SAND HILL AND DUMP THEIR TRASH.

ON THE OTHER POINT, WE GOT AN E-MAIL LATE THIS AFTERNOON, I THINK JEREMIAH FORWARDED IT, ABOUT ADVANCE -- NOW THEY'RE FULL STRENGTH, ETC, ETC. THEY HAVE NOT DONE A VERY EFFECTIVE JOB ON LANDSCAPING. AS PHIL SAYS, IF WE'RE DOING IT, WE SHOULD BILL THEM. THEY NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND THEY NEED TO PICK IT UP. MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE SAME.

IT'S WORSE IN MANY CASES. CLOSE TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, TOO.

EVERY CORNER HAS STUFF. IT'S DUMPED.

IT'S NOT THE PEOPLE. AND SO WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AND PUT SOME SIGNS OUT THERE.

REAL QUICK THEY'LL STOP. THESE ARE MOM AND POP

LANDSCAPERS. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH, I THINK YOUR LIGHT IS UPSIDE DOWN. THERE YOU GO.

COMMISSIONER ROSS, GO AHEAD, SIR.

>> I WOULD JUST LIKE -- UNDER THAT CONTRACT, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PICKING UP YARD WASTE THAT'S IN A PAPER BAG OR IN A TIED BUNDLE. I MEAN, THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR. I THINK THEY HAVE GONE OUT OF THEIR WAY AND WE SHOULD TRY TO WORK WITH THEM.

THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR PICKING UP PILES LIKE THAT UNDER THEIR CONTRACT. IT HAS TO BE IN A BAG OR BUNDLE.

AND SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A NEW DISCUSSION WITH THEM AS TO HOW WE CAN ACCOMMODATE WHAT WE WOULD LIKE AND WHAT THEY ARE PROVIDING. BECAUSE ALL -- AT LEAST IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU SELDOM SEE YARD WASTE IN BAGS. I THINK THEY WOULD TELL YOU THAT IF IT WAS ALL IN BAGS LIKE THAT, THEY'D JUST GO RIGHT ON DOWN.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL.

IT'S THESE LARGE PILES OF TRASH THAT THEY HAVE WORKED -- AND THEY HAVE WORKED AND THEY HAVE BEEN BEHIND.

I'M NOT MAKING EXCUSES FOR THEM. BUT THEY HAVE MADE AN EFFORT TO DO THIS. THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ILLEGAL DUMPING. THAT IS NOT WHAT -- THAT IS NOT IN THEIR CONTRACT. THEY HAVE PICKED IT UP.

I SEE PILES LIKE THAT THAT DO NOT COME FROM ILLEGAL DUMPING.

I KNOW THE PEOPLE WHO PUT THEM OUT THERE.

THEY'RE BIG PILES LIKE THAT. THERE ARE A LOT OF BIG PILES AROUND THE CITY THAT THOSE RESIDENTS AND OTHERS DO, AND IN THEIR CONTRACT IT BASICALLY SAYS BAG AND BUNDLE.

THERE'S NOT ONE WORD IN THERE ABOUT CLAM SHELLS.

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THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN?

>> HOW LONG HAVE WE HAD -- HOW LONG HAVE WE HAD THIS CONTRACT

WITH THEM? >> ABOUT 18 MONTHS.

>> 18 MONTH CONTRACT. >> SO FOR 18 MONTHS THEY HAVEN'T SAID A WORD ABOUT THE CITY OF FERNANDINA, YOU NEED TO BAG AND BUNDLE YOUR WASTE. 18 MONTHS.

NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE HAVE TO START BAGGING AND BUNDLING.

THAT'S RIDICULOUS, ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.

IF THAT WAS THAT BIG OF AN ISSUE, THEY SHOULD HAVE SAID FROM DAY ONE, FERNANDINA, YOU NEED TO BAG AND BUNDLE YOUR YARD WASTE. THEY DIDN'T.

TO TURN AROUND NOW AND SAY, THEY COULD DO THAT, THAT'S RIDIC RIDICULOUS.

>> I THINK ONE THING ABOUT THIS, WHEN THIS CONTRACT WAS ASSIGNED TO WASTE MANAGEMENT, WASTE MANAGEMENT MAY ACTUALLY DEMAND TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW THAT CONTRACT THAT GARBAGE -- YARD WASTE BE BAGGED AND BUNDLED. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, HOW DO WE WORK WITH THE INCOMING MANAGEMENT OF WASTE MANAGEMENT AS OPPOSED TO ADVANCE DISPOSAL.

IF WE'RE GOING TO ASSIGN THIS TO WASTE MANAGEMENT, WASTE MANAGEMENT CAN SAY, THE CONTRACT SAYS BAG AND BUNDLE IT AND WE EXPECT YOU TO BAG AND BUNDLE IT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LEAN TOWARDS, AT LEAST STARTING TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM, WE'RE AWARE THERE'S A PROBLEM AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO INVOLVE CHANGE, WHICH WE ALL KNOW IS DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH SOMETIMES.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. I DIDN'T FORGET ABOUT YOU, SIR.

TO VICE MAYOR KREGER'S POINT, THAT IMAGE SAID YOU HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE PILES. THAT'S A HUGE PILE.

>> I KNOW. >> THEY ARE PERSONALLY TAKING THAT MUCH STUFF OUT OF THEIR YARD AND PILING IT IN THEIR YARD? THEY'RE CRUSHING IT, MAN.

THAT'S A FULL DAY. WHEN I SHOWED THAT PICTURE AROUND TO PEOPLE, THEY WERE LIKE, THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL.

EVERYBODY HAS A NEIGHBORHOOD SPOT THAT HAS AN AREA --

>> THAT'S NOT AN UNUSUAL PILE. >> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HIRING LANDSCAPERS AND THEY PILE IT UP.

I THINK THIS IS AN OBVIOUS PLACE WE NEED SIGNAGE.

WE HAVE CAMERAS THAT WE PUT ON THE BEACH ACCESS AREA THAT WAS HELPFUL TO SEE WHO WAS CUTTING THROUGH.

BUT DEFINITELY, LET'S REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

EVERYBODY WHO HAS A NEIGHBOR WHO HAS THAT ONE SPOT, LET'S HEAR FROM THOSE PEOPLE. PUT SOMETHING IN THE PAPER AND FIND THOSE SPOTS AND STICK THOSE THINGS THERE.

EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD'S GOT ONE. THEY'RE STICKING THAT STUFF AND RUNNING AWAY. LOT OF IT IS JUST PEOPLE HIRING SOMEBODY TO THROW IT OUT THERE, TOO.

COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

>> I'M GONNA TELL YOU THERE ARE PILES THAT BIG THAT ARE NOT

ILLEGAL DUMPING. >> RIGHT, I'M SURE THERE ARE.

>> I WOULD SAY MOST OF THEM. I ASKED THEM HOW MUCH OF YOUR PROBLEM IS ILLEGAL DUMPING AND THEY SAID ABOUT 10%.

THAT'S ALL. IT'S 10%.

TOLD ME. >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN.

>> TO CLARIFY, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY WHO WILL COLLECT YARD WASTE, BUT THEY DON'T WANT IT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE SO THEY WALK IT ACROSS THE STREET AND DUMP IT IN FRONT OF THEIR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE OR WALK IT DOWN THE END OF THE STREET AND DUMP IT IN A COMMUNITY PILE. THAT'S WHY YOU GET PILES LIKE THAT SOMETIMES. I KNOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF YARD WASTE AND IT HAS NEVER ONCE SAT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. THEY ALWAYS WALK IT ACROSS THE

STREET. >> WE ADDRESSED THAT YEARS AGO.

DIDN'T WE HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY? PEOPLE NEED A PLACE TO PUT THAT STUFF.

THEY MIGHT AS WELL PUT IT IN AN AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE A HOUSE ON IT. IF THAT MUCH BRUSH IS COMING OUT, I DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE HAVE TREES LEFT.

THAT WOULD BE ALMOST MY ENTIRE YARD.

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I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY CAN CONDEMN ADVANCED DISPOSAL -- THEY CAN POSSIBLY DO. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> 5.7, TIME AND PLACE ON THE

[Item 5.7]

DR. ROSS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> AS YOU KNOW, I DID A SURVEY OF ALL THE PROPERTIES OF THE CITY AND THESE THREE PROPERTIES

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DO WE HAVE PICTURES OF THESE? >> NO.

>> ONE'S A SMALL LOT BETWEEN TWO WAREHOUSES.

ANOTHER ONE IS A VACANT LOT ON 8TH STREET.

ANOTHER ONE IS A 12 FOOT STRIP. I THINK IF ALL AGREEABLE TO YOU THAT WE HAVE ASSIGNED STAFF TO GO AND LOOK AT THESE AND COME UP WITH VIABLE WAYS OF THE CITY HAS NO USE FOR THESE THREE PARCELS.

I THINK FOR THE VACANT LOT BETWEEN THE TWO WAREHOUSES, I TALKED TO THE AIRPORT MANAGER. IT WAS GOING TO BE A RIGHT OF WAY. THEY DON'T NEED IT ANY LONGER.

ONE SOLUTION MIGHT BE TO DEED IT BACK TO THE TWO PEOPLE ON EITHER SIDE WHO GAVE US THAT FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT WITH A CONSERVATION EASEMENT SO WE COULD PLANT TREES THERE.

FOR THE VACANT LOT ON 8TH STREET, TO SIMPLY SELL IT.

AND 12-FOOT LOT, MAKE THAT CONSERVATION LAND.

BUT WHATEVER STAFF WOULD COME UP WITH AND WE COULD AGREE TO HAVE

THEM LOOK INTO IT. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER?

>> I AGREE IN SELLING THE 8TH STREET AND THE OTHER PROPERTY.

I'D BE REAL CAREFUL ABOUT VACATING RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE'RE NOT SETTING A PRECEDENCE. BUT STAFF CAN LOOK AT THAT,

THAT'S FINE. >> THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> THAT RIGHT OF WAY WAS DONATED BY THE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS ON EITHER SIDE.

TURNS OUT WE DON'T NEED THAT RIGHT OF WAY ANYMORE.

WE GET A BONUS OUT OF IT BECAUSE WE CAN PUT A CONSERVATION EASEMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND PLANT TREES THAT ARE ALREADY

THERE. >> YEAH, THAT'S GOOD.

OKAY. ALL DONE, SIR?

[Item 5.8]

>> I AM. >> 5.8 WASTE WATER REDUCTION.

THIS ITEM WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA AT THE REQUEST OF

COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> WE'VE ALL SEEN THIS WASTE WATER ASSOCIATION PLAN. I THINK THEY RECOMMENDED A 1 14.5% --

[Item 5.9]

>> -- INTO IT TOGETHER. WE SEEM TO HAVE HOSTILE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE COUNTY, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME GOOD THINGS THAT HAPPENED. ONE OF THEM IS COMING UP HERE LATER WITH FEMA, ALTHOUGH THEY MAY BE RIGHT OR WRONG, WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS ON THE WATERFRONT, NOT ON THE BEACHES.

WITH OPA, WE'VE GOT POOR RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE USED TO HAVE BAD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE FAA. SOMETHING'S WRONG, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO THIS. I ATTACHED THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL CONTENT OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IS GETTING ALONG WITH PEOPLE. I ALSO AT TACHED THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING, AND THE THINGS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN ON ZONING AND OTHER THINGS, THEY NEVER HAPPENED.

I BELIEVE THEY'RE GETTING STONEWALLED BECAUSE OF A RELATIONSHIP HERE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE US TRY TO WORK WITH PEOPLE.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS I THINK WE HAVE, AND I HOPE WE DON'T HAVE IT IN THE FUTURE IS THE FIRST ANSWER TO A PROBLEM IS NOT A LEGISLATOR. YOU DON'T GO TO RUBIO.

YOU DON'T GO TO RUTHERFORD. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I HEARD ON THE 408 AND WATERFRONT, IT'S HAPPENING TOMORROW, OUR LEGISLATORS ARE DOING IT. THESE ARE REGULATORY AGENCIES THAT OPERATE BY SPECIFIC REGULATIONS AND THE BEST SYSTEM IS EXACTLY WHAT WE SAID WITH FEMA, IS WE GO THROUGH THE SYSTEM. THERE MAY BE A TIME WHEN YOU HAVE TO GO TO A LEGISLATOR, BUT IT'S NOT THE FIRST THING.

I JUST THINK WE NEED TO WORK BETTER AT GETTING ALONG WITH PEOPLE. AND I THINK WE'LL GET MORE WHEN WE GET ALONG WITH THEM. THAT INCLUDES THE TDC.

WE HAVE A TDC MEETING TOMORROW. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS?

>> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT BEACH COMMITTEE.

WE DID HAVE COOPERATION THERE. WE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT.

WE HAD A MEETING. WE CAME TO AGREEMENT.

WE CAME TO THREE THINGS. WE AGREED ONE OF THEM WAS WE ALL DO IT TOGETHER. DO YOU KNOW HOW WE FOUND OUT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO OPEN THEIR BEACH? THE WAY WE FOUND OUT THEY WERE GOING TO OPEN THEIR BEACH IS I

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SHE SAID TO ME, OH, HAVE YOU SEEN THE PRESS RELEASE THAT THEY'RE OPENING THEIR BEACHES? I SAID, NO.

AND SO SHE SAID TO ME AND I SAID TO DALE, THAT'S HOW WE LEARNED.

I DON'T THINK THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH US BEING NICE OR NOT NICE. WE HAD AN AGREEMENT AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE OFTEN TREATED APPROPRIATELY.

I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF ESTIMATES 50% TO 65% OF OUR PLAYING FIELDS ARE USED BY NONCITY RESIDENTS.

AND PART OF THE POLICY -- AND AS COMMISSIONER ROSS JUST DESCRIBED, VOTED TO REOPEN THEIR BEACHES AND WE LEARNED THAT THROUGH A MEDIA REPORTER.

SO TELL ME HOW THAT COOPERATION WORKS.

ONE MEETING TOGETHER, AGREED NO BEACH REOPENING.

WE MEET, NOT OPEN. THEY DO AN ABOUT FACE AND OPEN.

THAT TO ME IS NOT COOPERATION. THAT'S NOT WORKING TOGETHER.

WHEN YOUR CITY MANAGER IS TALKING TO THEIR COUNTY MANAGER, SOMETHING IS GOING ON WHERE THEY'RE NOT GIVING US THE STRAIGHT WORD. THE PORT? WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PORT.

THE PORT'S REFUSING TO PAY US OUR $50,000.

NO WONDER THAT RELATIONSHIP IS STRESSED.

WHEN THEY WON'T EVEN GIVE US WHAT THEY OWE US.

SO WE'RE HAVING TO FIGHT JUST TO GET WHAT WE'RE DO.

THESE RELATIONSHIPS ARE STRAINED NOT BECAUSE OF US, BUT BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF OTHERS. AND THE BEHAVIOR OF OTHERS.

AND YOU CAN BE NICE, YOU CAN BE CIVIL, YOU CAN HAVE FRUITFUL AND CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS, BUT IT'S THE FINAL BEHAVIOR THAT SETS THE TONE OF THE RELATIONSHIP.

I DON'T LAY THAT AT THIS BODY'S FEET AT ALL.

I THINK THAT'S WRONG. AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS AND WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THIS CITY.

SO IT'S UP TO THEM TO BEHAVE CORRECTLY.

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP ONE OTHER LOCAL THING.

PERHAPS THE COUNTY, THE CITY AND THE TDC COULD GET TOGETHER AS A TASK FORCE OR WHATEVER TO LOOK AT THE VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC OF MANAGING TOURISM IN THIS TOWN. THIS WAS FLOATED TO ME BY OTHERS

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BECAUSE TOURISM IS WHAT MAKES THIS CITY WORK AND WE NEED AN INTERIM -- WE NEED EVERYBODY WORKING TOGETHER TO HELP OUR

TOURIST INDUSTRY. >> IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS THAT WOULD BE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT? THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR KREGER, DO YOU

RECOGNIZE IT? >> WE CAN WORK EFFECTIVELY AND WE HAVE, AND I'M BLAMING BOTH SIDES.

I'M GOING TO REFERENCE SOMETHING HERE.

YOU ALL SAT AT THIS MEETING. BEACH CLEANUP, THIS IS FROM THE MINUTES. THE CONSENSUS OF THE PANEL WAS TO COLLABORATE ON AN ISLAND WIDE BEACH CLEANUP PLAN AND RECONVENE FOR A VOTING MEETING. WE ALL SAT RIGHT HERE.

THE CITY WENT OUT, UNILATERALLY TOLD SNELLING TO GET OFF OUR BEACHES, FAILED TO RENEW THE CONTRACT, WHICH BOTH WERE PAID FOR BY THE TDC, CREATED AN EMERGENCY AND WE WENT OUT AND SPENT PROBABLY $250,000 THAT WAS NOT REIMBURSED.

NOW IT IS ISLAND WIDE.

SO AS A RESULT, WE STARTED GETTING LETTERS FROM THE COUNTY SAYING DIFFERENT STUFF. ALL I'M SAYING IS WE SHOULD WORK HARDER AND CAN WORK HARDER AND CAN BE EFFECTIVE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY. AS FAR AS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS ON THE COMP PLAN IS THAT WE INVENTORY, I ASKED FOR THAT INFORMATION. KIND OF FITS INTO FUTURE THINGS.

LET'S ASK THEM FOR THE MONEY. LET'S GO OUT AND ASK THEM FOR THE MONEY. LET'S ASK THEM TO FUND IT.

LET'S DO IT THAT WAY. I THINK IT CAN BE EFFECTIVE.

AS FAR AS THE PORT, WE DON'T HAVE TO BE NASTY TO THE PORT.

AND DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS, IN YOUR FACE, WE'RE GONNA GET THIS DONE. HOW MANY TIMES DID WE SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO PEOPLE TELL US, IT'S NOT NEXT WEEK.

IT NEVER GOT DONE BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST IN THEIR FACE.

THEY'RE JUST DOING THEIR JOB. ALL I'M SAYING IS TO DO STUFF EFFECTIVELY AND COLLEGIATELY AND WE CAN DO IT DONE.

WE HAVE A BETTER CHANCE. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

THERE ARE STUFF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

WE'RE DIRECTED TO DO THIS. THE COUNTY DOESN'T DO WHAT I WANT TO DO WHEN I WANT TO CHERRY PICK SOME INFORMATION.

IT'S THERE FOR US TO OPERATE. WE'VE GOT SET BACK ON ISLAND WIDE STUFF BECAUSE IT' GETTING STONE WALLED.

AND WE WERE IN FRONT OF THESE.

[Item 5.10]

>> -- WE HAD A TRAGIC LOSS RECENTLY.

AFTER A SET OF DISCUSSIONS WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE DONE BEFORE SHE PASSED, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF SHE COULD HAVE ENJOYED IT.

SPEAKING WITH PEOPLE WHO KNOW HER AND THE DIRECTOR OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION, WHO SHE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH, AS WELL AS WATER AEROBICS CLASSES.

A WHILE BACK WE DECIDED WE WOULD DO THESE TYPE THINGS FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO. WE BRING IT UP AS AN ITEM AND DECIDE IF THERE'S NO OPPOSITION, WE'D MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

DETAILS OF HOW THAT WOULD BE DONE, LIKE THE SIGNAGE ON THE FRONT, PHOTOGRAPH ON THE SIDE WOULD OBVIOUSLY INVOLVE FAMILY.

I HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN TO SEVERAL OF HER SONS AND IN-LAWS AND THEY

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OBVIOUSLY, A RIBBON CUTTING AND DEDICATION CEREMONY WHERE THEY COULD GATHER. THERE ARE SEVERAL BEINGS AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT WOULD PLAN ON ATTENDING.

I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN, YOUR

RECOMMENDATION, SIR? >> DO WE NEED TO COME TO

CONSENSUS? >> I THINK THE WAY WE SAID IT, IF THERE WAS NO OBJECTION, WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD TO IT.

IT'S NOTHING THAT JUST ONE OF US SHOULD DECIDE.

IS THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS? WE'RE OUT FOR FIVE.

BACK AT 35

[Consent Agenda, Public Comment, & Item 8.1]

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>> WE WOULDN'T TOLERATE THIS WITH ANY OTHER CONSULTANT COMING IN HERE AND JUST SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU X AMOUNT OF MONEY AND YOU MIGHT DO THIS AND YOU MIGHT DO THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER MILLER? >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ROSS THAT ANY TIME YOU'RE GIVING

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COMMISSIONER ROSS DESERVES AN ANSWER AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD APPROVE THIS UNTIL WE GET AN ANSWER, EITHER FROM STAFF OR THE COUNTY. I WILL SAY MY TENDENCY IS NOT TO SUPPORT THIS UNTIL I KNOW WHAT THE TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO GET

FOR THEIR MONEY. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS?

>> I TOTALLY SUPPORT THE GI SYSTEM.

I TOTALLY THINK IT CAN DO A LOT OF AMAZING THINGS.

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET FOR OUR MONEY IN THE NEXT YEAR. AND PARTICULARLY, WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE WETLANDS.

ARE THEY GOING TO DO THAT IN THE NEXT YEAR OR NOT? THERE'S NO COMMITMENT TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT, IT'S VERY VAGUE AS TO WHAT CAN HAPPEN IN THE NEXT YEAR.

I DON'T THINK FOR ANY OTHER CONSULTING CONTRACT WE WOULD

SIGN THAT. >> MADAM CLERK, CALL THE VOTE,

PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> NO. >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN.

>> YES. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH.

>> NO. >> MAYOR MILLER.

>> YES. 8.2 AGREEMENT AMENDMENT FOR EPH

INCORPORATED. >> NOT AT ALL.

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THE FIRE ALARM WAS GOING OFF.

CAPTAIN BISHOP LOOKED AROUND, THERE'S NO PROBLEM.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS COMING. >> THEY'RE COMING.

THEY'RE HERE. >> THAT'S A FIRE ALARM? SOUNDED LIKE BACKING UP IN A DRIVE WAY.

[Item 8.2]

THE CONTRACT IS NOT TO EXCEED $165,000.

THERE HAVE BEEN AMENDMENTS TO IT.

NOW IT IS $164,650. IT WILL ALSO PROVIDE FOR MUNICIPAL SMALL PERMIT THAT SERVES AS A BLANKET PERMIT FOR ALL REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

>> -- STATE GRANT IN THE AM OF $500,000.

SPECIFICALLY FOR THE AREA OVER HERE WE'RE CALLING 85 WHICH IS THE LOWEST AREA IN OUR WATER FRONT.

IT'S BEEN DRUG OUT, REPURPOSED. IT GOT COMPLICATED.

I UNDERSTAND. WE'VE HAD SOME HURRICANE MITIGATION. BUT THIS THING KEEPS DRAGGING UP. THIS PARTICULAR DRAIN --

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN. >> YES.

[Item 8.3]

>> MR. LEDNOVICH. >> YES.

>> MAYOR MILLER. >> YES.

>> THIS IS THE HABITAT CONSERVATION PLAN.

THIS IS A GRANT, UNITED STATES FISH AND WILD LIFE SERVICE GRANT AND THE APPLICATION IS ACTUALLY MADE BY SOME OF THEIR STAFF.

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AND THERE IS NO FINANCIAL MATCH REQUIRED BY THE CITY.

WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED THAT WE DISCUSSED, AT MOST, IS AN IN KIND SERVICES. SO BASICALLY STAFF SERVICES FROM THE COUNTY AND THE CITY. AND WE HAVE PUT IN THE APPLICATION, JUST IN FULL DISCLOSURE SO EVERYBODY KNOWS.

IT IS THAT WE ARE AGREEING TO WORK 50/50 WITH NASSAU COUNTY ON THIS PLAN, WHICH WOULD COVER ALL OF THE AMELIA ISLAND BEACHES.

THE PLAN, OF COURSE, IS --

-- WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

[Item 9.1]

THEY COULD REALLY WHAT DRIVING ONE OF THESE ORDINANCE WE TOOK FROM ANOTHER JURISDICTION. THEY CREATE A NUISANCE.

IF THEY COME OUT OF THE VEHICLE, THEY COULD CAUSE TRAFFIC CRASH, ETC. THE WAY THAT THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, I KNOW I SPOKE WITH SOME OF YOU ABOUT IT EARLIER.

I GUESS THE FIRST COUPLE TIMES I READ IT, I SAID, COULD THIS APPLY TO AN ANIMAL INSIDE. MY DOG DOESN'T WEAR A SEAT BELT BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND ONE BIG ENOUGH.

BUT SOME DO. WE KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE THAT CARRY THEIR DOGS ON THEIR LAPS WHILE THEY'RE DRIVING, WHICH IS A LITTLE ALARMING, BUT IT HAPPENS.

THIS ORDINANCE, WHEN I READ IT AGAIN AND AGAIN, I THINK IT DOES COVER IF THE ANIMALS ARE OPEN IN THE BED OF A TRUCK OR OTHER TYPE OF VEHICLE AND NOT CONTAINED, BUT IT WOULD ALSO COVER THE LITTLE DOG ON THE LAP IF IT'S BEING CONTROLLED ONLY BY THE DRIVER OR OPERATOR OF THE MOTOR VEHICLE.

BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO COVER MY DOG SO THAT'S GOOD.

AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE. DO YOU HAVE TALUHLA ON A SEAT

BELT? >> THERE'S A RESTRAINT.

>> WE HAVE TO TALK. I CAN'T FIND ONE.

>> CHEWY.COM HAS ONE. >> THIS ORDINANCE IS NOT GOING

TO COVER THAT? >> NO.

>> AND OUR POLICE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BE LOOKING IN PEOPLE'S CARS. BUT IN THE BACK OF A TRUCK OR TRAILER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO ANYWAY, THIS IS FIRST READING. FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

>> I WILL PASS THE GAVEL AND SECOND.

I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. MR. CHAPMAN.

>> I SUPPORT THIS. WHAT MY FEAR IS, IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BECOME ANOTHER CITY ORDINANCE THAT WE DON'T ENFORCE.

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AND THAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME.

WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE ABOUT DUMPSTERS, CHANGE YOUR DUMPSTER, GET THE CITY'S IN VIOLATION. WE'RE THE BIGGEST VIOLATOR.

I REMEMBER SITTING HERE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE VENTURA BUILDING. WE WERE GONNA NAIL A RESIDENT FOR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT AND THAT BUILDING WAS THE WORST EXAMPLE. I FULLY SUPPORT NOT HAVING DOGS IN THE BACK OF A TRUCK, BUT I JUST CANNOT SUPPORT ANOTHER ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE OR WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE POLICE TO DO IT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ORDINANCE BOOK, HOW MANY ORDINANCES HAVE BEEN SITTING ON THE BOOKS FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS? SITTING HERE, WE PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT EVERY RAFT ON THE BEACH HAS TO HAVE A ROPE ALL AROUND IT.

HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE WE TALKED TO ABOUT THAT? I DON'T THINK ANY. I SUPPORT IT -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO THE RESIDENTS.

>> I THINK MY PRIMARY OBJECTION, WHAT MR. CHAPMAN SAID, I THINK THAT IF THIS IS ABOUT DOGS OR ANIMALS IN THE BEDS OF PICKUP TRUCKS, I THINK IT WILL BE PROBLEM ATIC, WHEN YOU HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO PUT THEIR DOGS IN THEIR CARS, IN THE FRONT SEAT, BACK SEAT. WE COULD PROBABLY FIND DOGS IN

THE FRONT SEATS. >> I THINK IT'S WELL INTENDED.

IF THIS IS ABOUT DOGS IN THE BACK OF PICKUP TRUCKS, LET'S LEAVE IT ABOUT DOGS IN THE BACK OF PICKUP TRUCKS.

>> I'M SORRY. >> GO AHEAD.

PROBLEM. I TALKED TO THE POLICE.

THEY SAID, WE DON'T SEE A PROBLEM.

I TALKED TO OTHER PEOPLE, WE DON'T SEE A PROBLEM.

I WENT ONLINE AND LOOKED AT THAT.

YOU ARE CORRECT, LOT OF DOGS DIE EVERY YEAR.

PART OF THE PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE A TETHER IN THE BACK AND THEY JUMP OVER AND STRANGLE THEMSELVES.

WHAT YOU REALLY WANT IS THEM FREE AND NOT ON A TETHER.

ANIMALS IN MOTOR VEHICLES MUST BE SAFELY RESTRAINED.

I HAD MY PICKUP FOR YEARS AND MY DOG, WE'RE NOT GONNA ENFORCE THAT. I'M JUST CURIOUS TO HEAR WHY DO

WE NEED THIS. >> THINGS COME UP, DIFFERENT ORDINANCES COME UP AS WELL. BALLOONS ON THE BEACH, BALLOON RELEASES, PLASTIC BAG, PLASTIC, THAT KIND OF STUFF.

WE JUST TALKED TONIGHT ABOUT THE CIGARETTE ORDINANCE.

THERE WAS A PUSH IN THE NORTHEAST COAST OF FLORIDA, WE ALL GOT TOGETHER AND TRIED TO HAVE THAT CHANGED.

WE WENT TO TALLAHASSEE AND SIGNED ON TO A LETTER.

ONE OF OUR LOCAL STATE REPRESENTATIVES SAID HE DOESN'T WANT COPS CHASING AROUND WITH CIGARETTES ON THE BEACH.

WE DON'T WANT COPS CHASING PEOPLE AROUND.

AS A FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL, THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN.

THERE'S TOOLS IN THE TOOL BOX. THERE'S NO LAW THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO RUN AROUND AND HAVE PEOPLE FINED FOR HAVING A BALLOON ON THE BEACH. WITH ORDINANCES, WITHOUT THOSE TOOLS IN THE BOX, IF YOU SEE A GUY DRIVING DOWN THE STREET AND THE DOG IS SLIDING BACK AND FORTH, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT TOOL IN THE BOX. IF THERE'S A GUY DRIVING AROUND WITH A PEKINGESE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE TO PULL

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THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT YOU WON'T BE PULLED OVER FOR. THIS IS ANOTHER TOOL THEY CAN USE. THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO STOP SOMEONE -- WHEN YOU'RE ON THE BEACH WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF BALLOONS, THEY CAN'T STOP YOU IF YOU DON'T DO THAT.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE GIRL A TICKET IF A BALLOON COMES OUT OF THEIR HAND. WE'RE NOT PUTTING IT AND SAYING YOU MUST ENFORCE THIS ORDINANCE, YOU HAVE TO PULL PEOPLE OVER.

IT JUST GIVES THEM THAT ABILITY THAT IF THEY DO SEE A SITUATION, THEY HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE TO STOP THAT INDIVIDUAL AND RESTRAIN THEM. NOT SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO CHASE PEOPLE AROUND THAT HAVE DOGS IN THEIR CAR.

IT JUST GIVES THEM THAT EXTRA TOOL.

AS A FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, ANY TOOL YOU CAN HAVE IN YOUR BAG. IT'S LIKE A GOLF BAG.

YOU HAVE A WEDGE YOU NEVER NEED, BUT WHEN YOU NEED IT, YOU'RE GONNA WANT THAT TOOL. THESE THINGS COME UP WHEN ORDINANCES COME UP. I REMEMBER ONE WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT -- NOBODY IS GOING TO TELL SOMEBODY THEY CAN'T.

THAT'S THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.

>> CAN I ASK YOU ANOTHER? >> YOU CERTAINLY CAN.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR. >> HUMANE SOCIETY, TELL ME ABOUT

THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS. >> WELL, I TALKED TO ANIMAL CONTROL ABOUT IT. IF YOU HAVE A DOG IN THE BACK OF YOUR CAR AND THEY HIT THE BRAKE, THE ANIMAL SLIDES FORWARD IN THE BED OF A TRUCK WHICH IS A BIG PROBLEM.

THE OTHER PROBLEM IS IF YOU TAKE A TURN AND THE ANIMAL COMES OUT, IT BECOMES ANNAGE -- A PROBLEM FOR DRIVERS.

IT IS AN ISSUE. IT'S AN ISSUE THAT YOU MAY NEVER NEED TO ENFORCE. YOU CAN BE A COP FOR 20 YEARS AND NEVER PULL SOMEBODY OVER. BUT IF THE SITUATION ARISES,

THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED. >> WHAT IS THE HUMANE SOCIETY'S

STATEMENT? >> WE HAVE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS WHO ARE PART OF THE CITY.

>> WHAT DID THEY SAY. >> THEY'RE FOR IT.

100%. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> I HAVE GOT A COUPLE MORE. COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN?

>> I GUESS ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES I HAVE IS THE NUMBER OF TIMES RIDING AROUND, I SEE CHILDREN OF A YOUNG AGE IN CARS NOT RESTRAINED AND I HAVE A VERY HARD TIME SEEING KIDS NOT IN SEAT BELTS, JUMPING ALL OVER THE PLACE AND, YES, THAT IS A TOOL IN THE TOOL BELT BUT, YOU KNOW -- AGAIN, I JUST -- I JUST DON'T SEE US ENFORCING IT TO REALLY MAKE IT EFFECTIVE.

THANK YOU. >> THE OTHER LIGHT WENT OUT.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I WOULD SUPPORT THIS IF WE WERE DEALING WITH ANIMALS IN THE BED OF TRUCKS. I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE ANIMALS IN THE CABINS OF VEHICLES AND I'M THINKING OF PEOPLE WITH THEIR POODLES WITH THE WINDOW. WE'VE ALL SEEN THAT, THE POODLE WITH ITS HEAD OUT THE WINDOW. OR YOU'RE TAKING YOUR PET TO THE VET. I'M ALL FOR ANIMALS IN THE BED OF A TRUCK. IF WE WERE TO TAKE THE FIRST

STEP -- >> WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND APPROVING IT FOR A FIRST READING.

SECOND READING WE CAN UPDATE YOU.

I AGREE. THAT WAS IN THERE BECAUSE THINGS CAN ALWAYS COME OUT. I AGREE.

HAVING A DOG -- THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD PULL

SOMEBODY OVER WITH. >> CAN I GO AHEAD AND READ THE TITLE JUST SO WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD FIRST READING? ORDINANCE 2020-20 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE ORDINANCE, CODE OF ORDINANCES SECTION 18-4 BY PROHIBITING TRANSPORT OF UNSECURED ANIMALS IN LOAD SPACES OF VEHICLES, PROVIDING FOR SEVER ABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

AND THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

>> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH? >> I WILL VOTE FOR THIS ON THE FIRST READING WITH THE INTENT THAT, WITH THE HOPE THAT THE PART ABOUT HAVING ANIMALS INSIDE THE CAR RESTRAINED --

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>> I'D BE WILLING TO STRIKE THAT RIGHT NOW.

>> IT JUST SAYS AND NOW I'M INSERTING -- BY THE WAY, I WILL BE GETTING MY SEAT BELT. I WILL GO HOME AND ORDER IT.

I DON'T WANT TO DISAPPOINT YOU. >> IF YOU DO GET IN AN ACCIDENT, A LARGE DOG ESPECIALLY LIKE YOURS, WOULD BE A MAJOR ISSUE.

>> I WOULD BE CRUSHED. >> YOU WOULDN'T WANT THAT FLYING

AROUND IN YOUR CAR EITHER. >> EXACTLY.

AND THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS UP. IT'S IMPORTANT.

CAN I ASK YOU ALL JUST, THE DOG THAT IS BEING HELD BY THE DRIVER OF THE CAR? DO YOU WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT, TOO? I NEED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

DOGS INSIDE THE CABIN. >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF WE CAN AGREE, THE BACK OF A PICKUP TRUCK.

>> GOTCHA. >> PERIOD.

>> THANK YOU. >> DO WE CHANGE THE MOTION TO APPROVAL WITH THE CHANGE THAT IT'S RESTRICTED TO THE BACK OF

THE PICKUP TRUCK? >> THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.

>> OKAY. >> RECALL VOTE.

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH. >> THIS IS FOR THE AMENDED,

RIGHT? >> YES.

>> YES. >> MAYOR MILLER.

[Item 10.1]

>> YES. >> OKAY.

ORDINANCE SECOND READING CODE AMENDMENT HISTORIC DISTRICT TAX EXEMPTION. CITY ATTORNEY.

>> YES. I THINK I ACTUALLY -- OOPS.

>> THIS ORDINANCE TAKES THE HISTORIC TAX EXEMPTION AND TAKES THE TIME TO COMPLETE A PROJECT FROM TWO YEARS TO FIVE YEARS.

AMENDING CHAPTER 74 ARTICLE V AMENDING TAX EXEMPTION FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO QUALIFIED HISTORIC PROPERTIES, AMENDING SECTION 74-155, APPLICATION AND REVIEW PROCESS.

AMENDING SECTION 74-167, ISSUANCE OF OTHER PERMITS PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN T EFFECTIVE DATE. PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND CLOSE.

>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> DISCUSSION? MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE

VOTE, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> YES. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH.

>> YES. >> MAYOR MILLER.

[Item 10.2]

>> YES. >> ITEM 10-2.

CITY ATTORNEY? >> ORDINANCE 2020-14 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH FLORIDA AMENDING THE FERNANDINA BEACH CODE ORDINANCES CHAPTER II, ARTICLE III, BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES, AMENDING SECTION 2-122 TO STANDARDIZED START AND END TERMS FOR BOARD APPOINTMENTS PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND EFFECTIVE DATE. PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> AND THIS ORDINANCE BEGINS ALL BOARD MEMBER OTHER THAN CITY COMMISSIONERS, OF COURSE, BOARD MEMBER TERMS ON JANUARY 1 AND THEY END ON DECEMBER 31. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE ALL ONE-YEAR TERMS. IT'S JUST THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDS WILL BE THE LENGTH THEY ARE DETERMINED, THAT'S THREE YEARS

FOR MOST OF THEM. >> I'LL REMEMBER MEND APPROVAL.

>> SECOND IT. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE, MA'AM.

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER CHAP MAN. >> YES.

[Item 10.3]

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> YES.

>> MAYOR MILLER? >> YES.

>> ORDINANCE 2020-15 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA AMENDING ARTICLE II CHAPTER 14 AMUSEMENTS AND ENTERTAINMENTS, AMENDING SECTION 14-26 DEFINITION CREATING SECTION 14-32, STATEMENT OF INTENT, CREATING 14-33, PROHIBITION OF SIMULATED GAMBLING DEVICES, CONFLICT WITH STATE LAW, CREATING SECTION 14-36, ENFORCEMENT CIVIL REMEDIES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

>> SECOND IT. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

[02:05:03]

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN. >> YES.

[Item 11]

>> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH? >> YES.

>> MAYOR MILLER. >> YES.

>> FIRST OF ALL, WELCOME BACK TO CITY HALL.

GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. NOT UP ON THE SCREEN, BUT IN PERSON. AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY FOR THEIR ON GOING EFFORTS AND SUPPORT DURING THIS TIME. DIFFERENT CHALLENGES CONTINUED TO COME BEFORE US, BUT I BELIEVE THIS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE RESILIENT AND STRONG.

THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS SPONSORING COVID-19 TESTING AND HEPATITIS A VACCINES. THIS WILL BE AVAILABLE, THERE'S A FLYER, CITY STAFF WILL POST IT ON APPROPRIATE WEBSITES.

SO FOR MEDIA, BUT IT'S SCHEDULED FOR THIS SATURDAY, JUNE 6 FROM 9:30 A.M. TO 11:30 A.M. AT MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR CENTER. THERE WILL BE 50 OF EACH TEST AVAILABLE. 50 COVID-19 TESTS AND 50 HEPATITIS A VACCINES. FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED.

PLEASE BRING SOME FORM OF I.D. AND A FREE $10 FOOD VOUCHER TO ANYONE RECEIVING THE HEPATITIS A VACCINE.

SO, AGAIN, THIS FLYER WILL BE POSTED ON VARIOUS SITES AND I WILL FORWARD IT TO THE MEDIA AS WELL.

I HAVE AUTHORIZED THE RETURN OF THE FERNANDINA MARKET PLACE, COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE FARMERS MARKET BEGINNING THIS WEEKEND. THE MARKET OPERATORS ARE MAKING A VERY SINCERE EFFORT TO ADDRESS HEALTH CONCERNS AND I HOPE THAT VISITORS TO THE MARKET COOPERATE WITH THE ORGANIZERS AND VENDORS TO BRING THIS WEEKLY STAPLE BACK TO DOWNTOWN.

THE AIRPORT, IN ADDITION TO THE FAA $30,000 GRANT THAT WAS ACCEPTED THIS EVENING IN CONSENT AGENDA, FOR THOSE WATCHING, IT WAS A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM, ANOTHER APPROXIMATELY $2.5 MILLION IN 100% GRANT FUNDING FOR RUNWAY REHABILITATION WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOUTH THE NEXT CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

WE TALKED TO OUR LAND CONSERVATION WITH THE ADDITIONAL DONATION, BUT I HAVE HAD CONTINUING DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. HUDSON FROM THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST ON BEHALF OF SECURED APPRAISALS ON TWO POTENTIAL ACQUISITIONS AND THEY ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH A THIRD PARCEL OWNER AND I HAVE INDICATED TO MR. HUDSON TO PROCEED INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH ALL THREE PROPERTY OWNERS. IF WE GET A PRICE, TO BRING THAT BACK FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. DUE TO CONCERNS RELATED THAT SOME OF YOU EXPRESSED TO ME RELATED TO SHORT TERM VACATION OR RESORT RENTAL REGISTRATION AND COMPLIANCE, CITY STAFF WILL SURELY PRESENT A PROPOSAL FOR CONTRACTED REVIEW AND ENFORCEMENT OF RESORT RENTAL REGULATIONS.

PLEASE BE ADVISED THE PENALTIES FOR NONCOMPLIANCE WITH EXISTING REGULATIONS ARE SIGNIFICANT INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL LOSS OF HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS AND RETROACTIVE PENALTIES DUE TO THE LOSS OF THAT EXEMPTION. I'M SURE THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN TELL YOU MORE THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN.

HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTORY EFFORTS HAVE BEEN RENEWED.

THOSE APPLICATIONS CONTINUED TO BE ACCEPTED THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF JUNE. SO FAR WE RECEIVED APPROXIMATELY 20 APPLICATIONS. AND FINALLY, SEVERAL REVISIONS TO THE CITY'S PERSONNEL POLICY THAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON WITH CITY STAFF WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU FOR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION AT AN UP COMING MEETING AS PART OF THE BUDGET REVIEW PROCESS.

ANY QUESTIONS? THAT'S MY REPORT.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A COUPLE.

ON THE FARMERS MARKET, WHAT ARE THEIR PLANS FOR SOCIAL DISTANCING? DO YOU KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT

THEY'RE GOING TO DO? >> I THINK THE WAY THEY'VE EXPLAINED IT, THEY'RE GOING TO SET UP LIKE ONE-WAY PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO LOOP AROUND THROUGH THE MARKET, BUT I CAN GET THE SPECIFICS FROM THEM AND SHARE IT WITH YOU.

I KNOW THEY'RE SETTING UP HAND SANITIZERS AT EACH VENDOR.

I KNOW THEY'VE INDICATED A STRONG EFFORT IN MAKING SURE THAT THE HEALTH CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED.

>> OKAY. FACE MASKS?

DO WE KNOW? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, BUT I'LL GET SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS FROM DR. LEE.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[Item 12]

>> YEP. >> CITY ATTORNEY.

>> WELL, FIRST IF I COULD JUST START WITH DO ANY OF YOU ALL HAVE ANY ISSUES OR QUESTIONS FOR ME THAT WE HAVEN'T YET TALKED ABOUT THIS WEEK? OKAY.

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THE VERY FIRST IN-HOUSE CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY, HER NAME WAS DEBORAH BRAGA, STARTED IN 2002 AND WAS HERE UNTIL 2007 AND I TOOK OVER SHORTLY AFTER THAT. SHE PASSED AWAY THIS MORNING, SADLY, AFTER A LONG BATTLE WITH CANCER.

SHE WAS PRETTY YOUNG, IN HER EARLY 60S.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNEW.

I KNOW I SENT YOU ALL AN E-MAIL TODAY.

BUT SHE SERVED IN PUBLIC SERVICE FOR MOST BASICALLY ALL OF HER CAREER AND SPENT TEN YEARS WITH THE CITY OF ORLANDO AS AN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, WAS HERE AFTER THAT IN 2002, THEN WAS AT THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE AND THE GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE. SHE FINISHED WITH THE JACKSONVILLE AVIATION AUTHORITY AS THE CHIEF LEGAL COUNSEL.

THOSE WHO KNEW HER REMEMBER HER LAUGH.

IT WAS INFECTIOUS AND HYSTERICAL AND WE'RE GOING TO MISS HER VERY MUCH. SO MY CONDOLENCES TO HER FAMILY AND HER VERY DEAR FRIENDS THAT ARE MISSING HER VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

[Item 13]

CITY CLERK. >> I HAVE NO COMMENTS.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE SLIDES FOR MY COMMENTS.

COULD YOU PUT THEM UP? >> FIRST ONE SIDEWALKS.

I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS A GREAT SURFACE. THEY COME IN.

THEY CHISEL IT DOWN. IT'S SMOOTH.

IT GETS RID OF THIS. THEY'VE DONE THIS THROUGHOUT MANY PARTS OF THE CITY. WE HAVE AN ON GOING PART OF THIS CITY. JUST A SHOUT OUT TO THEM.

THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THE CITY DOES.

I JUST WANT TO JUST THANK THE STREET DEPARTMENT FOR DOING THAT. THE NEXT ONE HAS GOT TO DO WITH THIS ACCESS 38. THIS WAS BROUGHT -- THIS IS THE BEFORE. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A PROBLEM.

IT WAS CALLED IN. THE NEXT PICTURE.

WITHIN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THAT HAD BEEN REPAIRED.

SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR JUMPING ON THAT. ALSO TO THE BARTELS FOR REPORTING THAT. YOU DON'T KNOW SOMETHING'S WRONG, YOU CAN'T FIX IT. MANY PEOPLE COMPLAIN.

SENDING PICTURES IN, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT JUMPS ON IT.

I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THEM.

I HAVE TWO OTHER THINGS. ONE IS WEST ROCK DONATED 21,000 BOXES FOR MEAL DELIVERY TO SENIORS.

JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THEM.

THAT WAS A VERY OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTION ON THE PART OF WEST ROCK. I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR DOING THAT AND WORKING WITH THE NASSAU COUNTY.

THE LAST ONE, OVER THE LAST WEEKEND I SPENT ABOUT AN HOUR ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY AT THE SADLER ROAD ACCESS TO THE BEACHES WITH BEACH RANGERS. I JUST HAVE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THEM. THEY JUST DO A REALLY NICE JOB WITH PEOPLE COMING IN THERE. SOME OF THEM ARE A BIT CRANKY.

I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO YOUR PEOPLE AND THE POLICE.

THEY DO A NICE JOB. ON THE WEEKENDS, IT'S BECOMING MUCH MORE CROWDED ON THE BEACHES.

THE COUNTY, IN THEIR INFINITE WISDOM, CLOSED DOWN PETERS POINT TO ONLY NASSAU COUNTY RESIDENTS THEN NICELY REFER THOSE PEOPLE UP TO OUR BEACH FROM OUT OF STATE.

SO THAT HAS PUT ADDITIONAL PRESSURES ON OUR BEACH UP THERE.

I JUST THINK THE BEACH RANGERS DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.

THEY WERE POLITE AND NICE AND COULDN'T HAVE BEEN NICER.

THANK YOU. THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN?

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>> FIRST I WANT TO THANK OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR OUTSTANDING JOB LAST NIGHT. IF YOU DIDN'T REALIZE IT, THERE WAS A PROTEST IN FERNANDINA. IT WAS NICE TO SEE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BASICALLY DRIVING ARM AND ARM WITH THEM.

THEY JUST MADE THE CITY PROUD AND I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR THAT. IF YOU GO DOWN TOWN, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MASKS DOWNTOWN. LAST POINT, THE HUMAN BEING IS A TREMENDOUS CREATURE. I THINK WE HAVE ONE FLAW.

WE SHOULD HAVE ALL BEEN CREATED COLOR BLIND.

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH. >> I WANT TO THANK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CHIEF HURLEY FOR ISSUING HIS STATEMENT RIGHT AFTER -- I THINK THE FIRST OR SECOND DAY OF THE DEMONSTRATIONS IN WHICH HE TALKED ABOUT THE POLICE CULTURE AND TRAINING IN OUR CITY AND THE TRAINING OF DEESCALATION, OF TAKING THE EMOTION AND ENERGY OUT OF THE SITUATION SO THAT YOU HAVE A PEACEFUL RESOLUTION. AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE CHIEF'S COMMENTS AS I WAS WATCHING TELEVISION LAST NIGHT IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AND THOSE PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATORS, AND WHEN THE POLICE AND MILITARY POLICE AND THE NATIONAL GUARD COMING AT THOSE PROTESTERS. THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF OUR CULTURE. I ALMOST FEEL LIKE I'M RELIVING THE '60S, BETWEEN THE PANDEMIC AND NOW THE CIVIL UNREST, THE PROTESTS ARE JUSTIFIED. I COVERED THREE RIOTS IN MY JOURNALISM CAREER. THE LAST ONE RODNEY KING, 28 YEARS AGO. THINK ABOUT THAT.

28 YEARS AGO WE HAD POLICE KILLING AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND IT'S STILL HAPPENING. AND IT'S TRAGIC.

LET'S HAVE PEACE, LOVE, UNDERSTANDING AND RESPECT FOR ONE ANOTHER. THANK YOU.

BACK TO YOU, SIR. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE CITIZENS THAT HAVEN'T COMPLETED THE CENSUS TO DO THE CENSUS. THEY'RE A SIGNIFICANT VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY AND BIG DOLLARS. IT GOT PUSHED BACK BY COVID-19.

YOU CAN GO ONLINE. IT'S A NO BRAINER.

DO IT. ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE MEMORIAL DAY EVENT WAS A GREAT EVENT.

WAS PROUD. LOT OF PEOPLE SHOWED UP.

COURSE WE ALL HAD MASKS ON. MOST OF US.

AND SOCIAL DISTANCING. IT WAS AN IMPRESSIVE CEREMONY, I THOUGHT. DALE WAS THERE.

I DIDN'T SEE YOU. >> I WAS DIRECTING TRAFFIC.

>> MIKE WAS DIRECTING TRAFFIC. ALSO, THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN I HAVE, I THINK WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PANDEMIC IS NOT OVER AND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU LOOK AROUND, YOU MIGHT THINK IT IS BY THE WAY PEOPLE ARE REACTING.

IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE INDIVIDUALS, US, TO TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES. THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS, BUT MORE RECENTLY, THAT QUOTE THESE ARE THE TIMES THAT TRY MEN'S SOULS HAS STUCK IN MY HEAD. I THINK THAT APPLIES TO US RIGHT NOW. NO MORE THAN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. AGAIN, OUR FANTASTIC CHIEF HURLEY PUT OUT AND EVERYTHING OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS IS AN HONOR TO OUR COMMUNITY.

ONCE AGAIN, PEOPLE DON'T SEE HOW GOOD WE HAVE IT UNTIL BAD THINGS HAPPEN. UNTIL TRAGEDY HAPPENS, YOU DON'T SEE THE LIGHT SHINE UNTIL YOU SEE HOW DARK IT IS.

WE WENT TO A VERY NICE CEREMONY AT THE METHODIST CHURCH WHO STEPS UP IN OUR COMMUNITY IN TIMES OF TROUBLE.

THE EVENT LAST NIGHT, WE ALL HAVE SEEN DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPEN IN DIFFERENT AREAS AND DIFFERENT THINGS TO EXPRESS THE WAY WE FEEL. I HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE LOCAL MEMBERS OF OUR CLERGY AND PASTORS.

I THINK THE BEST THING WE CAN DO AS A SMALL GESTURE OF RESPECT FOR ALL THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO FEEL OPPRESSED OR FORGOTTEN, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE SOME TIME TO JUST REFLECT AND DO WHATEVER YOU DO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS.

CITY ATTORNEY, IF YOU COULD SET THE TIMER FOR 8:43.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.