May 05, 2020 Regular Meeting

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>> WELCOME LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THIS IS THE CITY COMMISSION VIRTUAL MEETING. IT IS MAY 5.

2020 AND 6:00 P.M. THIS IS A VIRTUAL MEETING WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS AND CITY STAFF PARTICIPATING THROUGH VIDEO CONFERENCING. THIS IS BEING BROADCAST FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO VIEW. WELCOME.

WILL YOU CALL THE VOTE? >>

>> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN. >> STAND BY FOR ONE SECOND.

WE'RE GOING TO GIVE COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN A CALL AND LET HIM KNOW HIS MIC IS NOT WORKING. HAVE DANA WORK WITH THEM ON A PHONE CALL WHILE WE TAKE THE REST OF THE ROLL.

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>> I CAN'T HEAR ANYBODY IF YOU CAN HEAR ME.

>> WE CAN HEAR YOU SIR. >> HE SAID HE CAN'T HEAR US.

>> PHIL K YOU HEAR US? >> I CAN'T HEAR ANYBODY.

>> GO AHEAD. I GUESS DANA IS UPSTAIRS RIGHT?

>> WE'RE GOING TO DO THE PLEDGE OF THE ALLEGIANCE WHILE WE'RE GETTING THIS RESOLVED. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAGT ANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THE INVOCATION WILL BE GIVEN BY MR. MARTIN. [INAUDIBLE]

. >> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

LET US PRAY. ALL MIGHTY GOD IN WHOM WE LIVE AND MOVE AND HAVE OUR BEING, WE GIVE THANKS FOR YOUR UNCONDITIONAL LOVE A BOWENING MERCY AND FOR YOUR GRACE BY WHICH WE ARE BROUGHT TOGETHER HERE IN THESE MOMENTS.

AS WE GATHER FOR ANOTHER MEETING OF OUR CITY COMMISSIONERS WE ARE MIND TO FEEL PRAY FOR EACH OF THEM AT THIS TIME.

GOD PLEASE GRANT OUR COMMISSIONERS WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT AS THEY TAKE THE LEAD AND N GUIDING OUR CITY THROUGH THESE STRANGE AND UNSETTLING TIMES.

AS WE PRAY FOR THEM, WE ALSO PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE OF FERN BEACH AS THEY EACH DO THEIR PART TO KEEP ONE ANOTHER SAFE AND PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY AS BEST THEY CAN FROM THE CORONA VIRUS.

IN OUR COMMUNITY, NATION AND WORLD HUMANS CONTINUE TO STRUGGLING WITH THE IMPACT OF COVID-19.

AND SO WE PRAY HEALING ON THOSE WHO HAVE R STRUGGLING WITH ILLNESS. WE PRAY COMFORT FOR THOSE WE RECEIVED BECAUSE OF THIS CRISIS. WE PRAY STRENGTH AND COMPASSION FOR THE HEALTHCARE WORKERS OCCUPYING THE FRONT LINES OF THIS BATTLE. GOD PLEASE GIVE US ALL WE NEED AS WE REBUILD AND RESTORE OUR COMMUNITY ONCE MORE.

ALL OF THIS WE ASK IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, AMEN.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> AND WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF

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ONE IS PEACE OFFICERS MEMORIAL DAY AND THE OTHER AMELIA BEACH MARINE AMBASSADORS AND I ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW

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DUE TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH -- WHICH HAS BEEN DONE.

ANYTHING IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT THEY'D LIKE TO REVIEW?

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ANYBODY WANT SOMETHING PULLED OR DO I HAVE A MOTION?

>> RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> I'LL SECOND IT.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> SEEING NO HANDS FOR DISCUSSION IF YOU'D CALL THE VOTE.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. ON THE SECTION 7 RESOLUTIONS.

THIS IS ITEM 7.1. THIS IS WORK ORDER 20.1.

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CITY MANAGER. >> THANK YOU.

THIS IS A WORK ORDER FOR THE DESIGN AND BID SERVICES TO CONSTRUCT NEW T HANGER UNITS AT THE MUNICIPAL AIRPORT.

THEY ARE DESIGNATED SUPPORT FOR THE AIRPORT.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

>> I'LL SECOND IT. >> I WILL SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THE MONEY COMES FROM THE AIRPORT FUND AND FAA RULES IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR AIRPORT PROJECTS.

THIS IS NOT MONEY THAT CAN BE USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

THERE IS NO AD VALOREM TACKS SPENT IN THIS PROJECT AND FINALLY WHEN THIS COMES TO FRUITION THIS PROJECT WILL FUND CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL PUT SOME OF OUR CITIZENS BACK TO WORK.

I WILL VOTE FOR THIS. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> >> SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THIS IS GRANT MONEY FROM THE FAA IN THE END.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. IF YOU COULD CALL THE VOTE.

>> VICE MAYOR. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

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>> ITEM 7.2. WORK ORDER I 20-92.

PASSERO AND ASSOCIATES. >> THIS IS WORK ORDER TO CONTINUE THE EFFORTS AND NEXT PHASE OF THE SHORELINE STABILIZATION. IT IS STRICTLY A STABILIZATION PROJECT. THIS IS A WORK ORDER TO CONTINUE THE NEXT DESIGNS SEGMENT FOR THE RESILIENCY STABILIZATION AND LIVING SHORELINE OF THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PARKING

ROTC AND D. >> RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

>> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

>> AS WE KNOW HISTORIC DOWNTOWN IS GOING TO FLOOD.

IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF IF BUT WHEN AND HOW MUCH AND HOW OFTEN.

THIS IS THE NEXT STEP IF IN PROVIDING PROTECTION FOR OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. IT'S BEING PAID FOR BY SPECIFIC GRANTS. IT IS ONLY ALLOWED TO BE USED FOR THIS KIND OF ISSUE. AND THIS IS THE LEAST EXPENSIVE PART OF THE SHORELINE PROTECTION TO BUILD AND INCORPORATE THE FAILING BOARD WALK THAT EXTEND FROM SOUTH ATLANTIC SEAFOOD ALONG THE COASTLINE AND I WILL SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> I WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS. THIS PROJECT IS BEING PAID FOR BY SHORE LINE STABILIZATION GRANT WE GOT IN 2018.

WE SUBMITTED THAT GRANT ORIGINALLY TO PUT THE SEA WALL IN PARKING LOT B. IT WAS A 970,000 THAT REQUEST WHICH WE GOT $500,000 FOR. WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR A YEAR

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THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING AND WE SHOULD HAVE A PLAN WHEN WE'RE FINISHED WITH THIS WHEN THE MONEY AND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD

WITH THAT. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> JUST TO BUILD ON THOSE COMMENTS.

TO BUILD ON THE $20 MILLION ESTIMATE THAT HE REFERRED TO, CONGRESSMAN RUTHERFORD REQUESTED THE CITY PROVIDE A FUNDING REQUEST TO CONGRESS FOR THE WATER RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT ACT AND APPLICATION IS BEING PREPARED.

IT HAS A CORE OF ENGINEER PROJECT NUMBER.

SO THE CITY HAS APPLIED TO CONGRESS FOR $27 MILLION FOR

THIS PROJECT. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> IF YOU WILL RECOGNIZE ME AFTER THE VOTE.

I HAVE A COMMENT I'D LIKE TO MAKE ON THE PREVIOUS ITEM.

THANK YOU. >> WITH THAT, WOULD YOU PLEASE

CALL THE VOTE ON 7.2? >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> BEFORE WE GO ON TO 7.3 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> THANK YOU. ON PUBLIC COMMENT WE WENT FLAW SO QUICKLY, I HAD MY HAND RAISED.

IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WE WERE GOING TO READ THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED. SO I WANT TO LET THOSE CITIZENS THAT ARE WATCHING KNOW THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE BEACH, I WILL READ THE BEACH COMMENTS. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE TREE ORDINANCE, I WILL READ THE TREE COMMENTS.

SO THAT THOSE WILL GET INTO THE RECORD.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> ALL COMMISSIONER COMMENTS THAT WERE SENT MY EMAIL ARE IN THE PUBLIC RECORD CAN BE OBTAINED BY ASKING FOR IT.

ALL OF THAT STUFF IS IN THE RECORD.

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>> THIS IS PROJECT THE CITY HAS COMPLETED PREVIOUS EFFORTS TO EXAMINE THE PILINGS UNDER THE CAFE.

NONE OF THOSE PLANS HAVE DEPICTED OR DEMONSTRATED THOUSAND FIX THOSE PROBLEMS. SO THIS IS AN EFFORT TO NOT ONLY LOOK AT THAT BUT ALSO ASSESS THE ENTIRE BUILDING CONDITION.

THIS WILL BE FUNDED THROUGH FUNDING THAT THE CITY STILL RETAINS THROUGH A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.

THERE IS APPROXIMATELY $105,000 IN THAT ACCOUNT.

>> I'M GOING SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

THE CITY OWN THIS IS BUILDING. THERE HAVE BEEN THREE PREVIOUS ENGINEERING STUDIES BUT THEY ALL ADDRESSED WHAT WAS WRONG WITH IT. NONE OF THEM ADDRESSED HOW TO FIX THE PROBLEM WHICH IS WHAT THIS STUDY WILL DO.

NONE OF THOSE STUDIES ADDRESSED THE SEAWALLS THAT IS UNDER THERE. AND WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REBUILD OR REPAIR THAT. ALSO IN THAT STUDY PASSERO WILL ADDRESS IF WE DEMOLL TISSUE BUILDING WHAT IT WILL COST TO REPURPOSE THE BUILDING. FIXING THE BUILDING VERSUS DEMOLISHING THE BUILDING. AND AGAIN THEY WILL LOOK AT THE SEA WALL UNDER THE BUILDING THERE AND THE CONDITION AND COST AND REPAIR. THIS BLOCK GRANT THAT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS AND SO PREVENTED US FROM GETTING BLOCK GRANTS WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAYS TO GET MONEY. WE NEED TO SPEND THIS MONEY AND THE MONEY IS PARTICULARLY WAS TO LOOK AT BRETT AND WORK WITH THE

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>> SECOND. >> WE WERE CHATTING.

WE'VE HAD PREVIOUSLY MORE THAN ONE EVALUATION AND THEY WERE IN CONFLICT AS WHETHER WE NEEDED TO DO ANYTHING OR NOT.

THIS WILL DETERMINE WHAT WE NEED TO DO WHICH I'M SURE WE DO AND

GIVE US A PLAN ALONG WITH COSTS. >> ANYBODIES?

>> CALL THE VOTE PLEASE. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

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>> ITEM 7.4. THIS IS AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH A NASSAU COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER.

>> THIS IS A PROPOSED INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY PROPERTY APHRASER'S OFFICE TO HIRE STAFF GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEM SERVICES BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.

IT WILL BUILD UPON AN EXISTING INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT OF APPROXIMATELY $12,000 AND THEY ARE REQUESTING THE NEW AMOUNT IN

$65,200. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION AFTER I SAY WHAT I WANT TO SAY TO TABLE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING. HERE IS WHY.

THE RESOLUTION IN 2017 GOES FROM YEAR TO YEAR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. THAT THE TIME THE SAME SERVICES WERE FOR $5,000. NOW THAT THE PRICE HAS INCREASED TO $62,000 AND WHEN ASKED AND I CALLED AND TALKED WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER YESTERDAY AND TODAY AND ASKED FOR A COPY OF ALL THEIR EXPENSES AND WHAT THIS WOULD COST AND THEY SENT A SHEET I THINK ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE RECEIVED.

IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, IT SAYS THAT THE SPECIAL CAUSE I'LL CALL IT , THE SPECIAL THING THAT THE CITY IS GETTING THAT NOBODY ELSE IS GETTING ARE THREE THINGS WHICH IS THE CITY INTERNAL MAP BUILDING AND PERMITTING SERVICE WHICH WE MAY OR MAY NOT NEED.

THE CITY INTERNAL MATCH SERVICE FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AFTER TALKING TO OUR STORMWATER DIRECTOR TODAY WE DON'T NEED TO USE THIS AND THE CITY AND COUNTY INTERNAL MAP SERVICE.

AFTER TALKING TO THE CHIEF TODAY , THIS IS ROLLED INTO THE 911 PLAN AND WE SHOULDN'T BE PAYING EXING TRA FOR SOMETHING THE SHERIFF HAS TO DO ANYHOW. MY QUESTION IS THE SYSTEM IS AN EXCELLENT SYSTEM. WE USE IT.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING FOR OUR $62,500 WHICH IS A 12 TIMES INCREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. AND THAT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT GOES TO DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR. EITHER PARTY CAN OPT OUT WITH 60 DAYS NOTICE AND THE APPRAISER HAS NEVER APPROACHED US SAYING THEY WOULD LIKE THE TEND AGREEMENT.

THE NEXT MEETING TO GET MORE INFORMATION IS WHO USES THIS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND WHAT OUR COST ARE AND IF WE'RE GETTING OUR $62,500 WORTH OF FUNDING.

>> YOU STARTED OFF BY SAYING YOU STASTARTED TO MAKE A NOTION TAB.

THEN TO POSTPONE. WHAT IS YOUR MOTION.

IF IT'S A MOTION TO TABLE WE NEED A SECOND AND THEN NO OTHER DISCUSSION. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

>> I'D LIKE THE MAKE A MOTION THE POSTPONE IT TO NEXT WEEK SO WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT SERVICE WE'RE DOING AND WHAT THEY ARE CHARGING US COMPARED TO WHAT THE APPRAISER WOULD HAVE TO DO ANYHOW FOR ANYBODY ELSE THAT USES THE SERVICE. THIS IS WIDELY USED BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE. I THINK WE'RE PAYING FREIGHT FOR

THAT SERVICE. >> TO CLARIFY.

THE MOTION ON THE TABLE NOW IS TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT CITY COMMISSION MEETING TO ADD IT TO THE NEXT AGENDA.

DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? >> I'LL SECOND.

>> POINT OF ORDER I. THE NEXT CITY COMMISSION MEETING IS CLOSED MEANING NO MORE AGENDA ITEMS. WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO PROCESS THEM.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE JUNE 2. >> THE NEXT AVAILABLE CITY

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COMMISSION MEETING. >> THAT WOULD BE PERFECT.

>> AND THE SECOND IS ALSO CHANGED.

>> I'LL SECOND. >> IN THE DOCUMENTS COMMISSIONER ROSES REFERRED TO WE RECEIVED TODAY, IT SAYS $50,000 OF THAT 62, 2 IS FOR UPDATE, MAINTAIN ANDTH GIS.

I THINK TO COMMISSIONER ROSS' POINT WOULD THE COUNTY BE DOING THAT ANYWAY. AND IS THAT $50,000 IN PERSONNEL COST TO MAINTAIN, UPDATE AND EXPAND THE GIS SPECIFICALLY DEVOTED TO THE CITY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FIND OUT. I UNDERSTAND WHY IT WENT FROM $5,000. AND I BELIEVE BELIEVE COMMISSIONER ROSS UNDERSTANDS THAT ALSO.

THE COMPANY THAT WE CONTRACTED WITH WENT OUT OF BUSINESS.

SO THE SECOND QUESTION I'D LIKE TO ANSWERED WHEN WE RECONSIDER THIS IS WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES AND WHAT ARE THE COSTS OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES. I JUST WANTED TO OFFER.

I DID SPEAK WITH KELLY GIBBSON TODAY BECAUSE I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT IT TOO. THE WAY SHE PUT IT AND THIS WILL ALL COME TO YOU BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING WHEN YOU DO VOTE ON IT IS THIS IS NOT ENHANCING THE SYSTEM FOR THE USE OF JUST EVERYBODY. BECAUSE OF THE OUR CITIZENS AND OUR COMMISSIONERS REQUESTING VERY SPECIFIC PRECISE INFORMATION ON MAPPING, WE DON'T HAVE A STAFF PERSON DEDICATED TO THAT. IF WE DID IT WOULD COST MORE THAN $50,000. THIS IS FOR SPECIAL SERVICES INCLUDING ADDITIONAL MAP LAYERS WE ALL KNOW AND HAVE USED THIS.

WE GO IN THERE AND LOOK FOR WETLAND.

WE LOOK FOR OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL LAYERS THAT MISS GIBSON SAID SHE FEELS LIKE THE CITY COMMISSION AND CITIZENS HAVE ASKED FOR THAT THEY WANT TO SEE. THE ONLY WAY THAT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT AT OUR REQUEST IS BY DOING THIS TYPE OF AGREEMENT. JUST FOR YOUR FOOD FOR THOUGHT

FOR THE NEXT TIME WE SEE THIS. >> I WILL VOTE ON IT.

BUT MY PERSONAL OPINION WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT NOW.

WE'LL SEE WHAT THE VOTE SAYS. I TALKED TO THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND THERE ARE A LOT OF SERVICES THIS IS A VALUE TO US.

WE'LL SEE WHAT THE VOTE IS. >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THOSE SERVICES ARE AND IF WE'RE PAYING A FAIR PRICE THAT'S FINE. IT'S NOT CLEAR FROM THIS WHAT THOSE SERVICES ARE AND WHETHER THEY ARE ONLY LIMITED TO THE

CITY OR ACROSS THE COUNTRY. >> WE ARE TO RECEIVE UP TO 40 HOURS OF SERVICE. PERHAPS I CAN RECEIVE A WEEKLY OR MONTHLY REPORT FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER DEMONSTRATING WHAT THOSE SERVICE OR WHAT THE SPECIAL SERVICES ARE PROVIDED TO THE CITY AND WE CAN USE THAT FOR FURTHER INFORMATION AS TO WHETHER WE CONTINUE THIS AGREEMENT OR NOT.

>> ONCE AGAIN WHEN IF WE VOTE TO TO DELAY THIS.

>> A SECOND MOTION TO APPROVE AND YOU WOULD VOTE NO.

I SEE YOUR HAND SIR. >> I LOWERED IT.

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>> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> IT WILL BE CARRIED ON TO THE

NEXT MEETING. >> THERE WE GO.

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I KNOW THAT VICE MAYOR IS GOING THE TELL YOU ABOUT HIS CONVERSATION WITH MARK HUDSON TODAY.

I ALSO DISCUSSED THIS WITH MR. HUDSON BUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

AND THIS IS AN OPTION AGREEMENT WITH A SIX MONTH OPTION FOR THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WANTS TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND EVERYTHING WILL BE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF ENVIRONMENTAL WORK DONE IF NEEDED. THAT DEPENDS ON MR. HUDSON.

THERE IS DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD. WE HAVE SIX MONTHS TO EXERCISE THE OPTION. THIS WILL BE SIMILAR TO THE OTHER PARCELS WE BOUGHT IN THE PAST.

>> I RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> I TALKED TO MARK HUDSON TODAY.

THESE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY ARE A GOOD DEAL.

IT'S GOING TO BE MATCHED 50% BY NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST.

THEY ARE IN FACT TWO PIECES OF DEVELOPABLE PROPERTY ALTHOUGH THEY CAN'T DEVELOP A LOT, THEY CAN DEVELOP SINGLE HOMES.

IT'S RELATIVELY CONSISTENT OUR PROGRAM TO BUY PROPERTY WHICH HAS POTENTIAL TO BE DEVELOPED. ALSO TALKED ABOUT OTHER THINGS WHICH I CAN'T TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.

VERY POSITIVE ON CONSERVATION LAND.

>> >> THIS LAND IS PART OF THE ADJACENT TO THE GREENWAY. IT WOULD BE EXPANSION OF THE GREENWAY WHICH IS VALUABLE TO DO.

>> I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.

>> IF IT'S JANE TO THE GREENWAY, ONCE THIS IS PURCHASED WE MAKE

IT PART OF THE GREENWAY. >> WELL, IT'S REALLY NOT SPECIFIC. WE HAVE A WETLANDS BUFFER REQUIREMENT OF 25 FEET WHICH I THINK WE'RE DISCUSSING INCREASING THAT BUFFER. WOULD HAVE TO ABIDE BY ALL SETBACKS WHICH MAKES IT BETTER SO THAT IS GREAT.

IF YOU WOULD CALL THE VOTE. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

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DEPARTMENT. >> THIS IS A BUDGET AMENDMENT FIRE DEPARTMENT IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID VIRUS AS PURCHASED POLARIS RANGER AND DECONTAMINATION UNIT THAT WILL BE USED TO DECONTAMINATE THE ENTIRE OF FIRE DEPARTMENT RESCUE RIGS. AND THAT PORTION WILL LIKELY BE REIMBURSABLE DUE TO THE CURRENT STATE OF EMERGENCY.

>> RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

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>> I ENDORSE THIS. AFTER WATCHING OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TODAY AND NASSAU COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT BATTLE A HOUSE FIRE. ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT OUR FIREFIGHTERS, OUR PARAMEDICS, WE NEED TO DO.

THESE GUYS -- I HAD NOT BEEN TO A WORKING FIRE IN QUITE A WHILE.

WHEN IT WAS DONE TO SEE THESE GUYS HAVE TO SUIT BACK UP.

GET WASHED DOWN AND THEN ALL THE HOSES GET WASHED BEFORE THEY CAN PACK THEM IN THE TRUCK I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT POINTS OUT WE NEED TO CARE FOR THEM. MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ALL THE SAFETY EQUIPMENT THAT THEY NEED. I ENDORSE THIS.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

I GOT THERE RIGHT AFTER YOU LEFT.

I UNDERSTOOD YOU GOT TO WITNESS THAT EVENT TODAY.

VERY IMPRESSIVE RIGHT. >> YES.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND. IF WE COULD CALL THE VOTE.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> ITEM 7.7 HAS BEEN PULLED FROM

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>> YES, SIR THANK YOU. THIS IS EYESHOT.

I'M GOING THE SAY THIS IN CASE AND I KNOW SOME OF YOU COMMISSIONERS HAVE READ IT AND SAID THERE IS STUFF LACK HERE.

I DON'T DENY THAT'S THE CASE. WE PUT THIS TOGETHER AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD IN RESPONSE TO FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY ASKING TO US HAVE OUR OTHER BOARD MEETINGS BECAUSE THERE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS WAITING TO DO IMPROVEMENTS ON THEIR PROPERTY.

WE WENT AHEAD AND WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS WHAT ST. AUGUSTINE APPROVED. AFTER TALKING WITH COMMISSIONER SOME I TODAY I DEFINITELY AGREE THAT I'VE GOT TO AND I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THIS AS AN AMENDMENT TO WHAT YOU ARE SEEING. YOU'LL HAVE TO TRUST THE LANGUAGE THAT I NEED TO PUT AND I'M GOING TO TAKE COMMISSIONER FROM THE MIAMI LAKE, I THOUGHT THEY DID A GOOD EXPLANATION AND THIS IS WITH REGARD TO CROSS-EXAMINE FOR NOT JUST THE APPLICANT AND THE CITY BUT CROSS EXAMINATION AND HOW IT'S DONE BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC A.F.C.KED PARTIES THAT ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE HEARING AND PROVIDE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THAT AND I CAN READ IT IF YOU WANT ME TO READ THE WHOLE THING. OR I WOULD JUST PUT IT IN THERE AND HOPE YOU PASS IT TONIGHT SO WE CAN -- DOE HAVE THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION CHARTER ARE VIEW, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL AND PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD READY TO HAVE A VIRTUAL MEETING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.

THE LAST STARTING ON THE FIRST ONE IS MAY 14 FOR AAC, MAY 20 IS THE NEXT ONE I BELIEVE THAT IS THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD.

>> DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THE COUPLE OF SENTENCES I WOULD LIKE

THE ADD AT THE END OF THIS. >> IT'S UP TO YOU.

>> LET ME FIND SPOT. ANYTIME MIKE.

>> PLEASE BE ADVICED THE ITEMS ARE QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE -- [INAUDIBLE] OPPORTUNITY FOR PERSONS TO SPEAK ON EACH ITEM WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE AFTER THE APPLICANT AND STAFF HAVE MADE THEIR PRESENTATIONS ON EACH ITEM.

ALL TESTIMONY INCLUDING PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE WILL BE MADE UNDER OATH OR AFTER FIR INFLAMMATION.

EACH PERSON WHO GIVES TESTIMONY MAY BE SUBJECT TO CROSS EXAMINATION. IF YOU DON'T WISH TO BE CROSS EXAMINED OR SWORN YOUR TESTIMONY WILL BE GIVEN AS DUE 9.

THE PUBLIC MAY REQUEST TO ASK THE BOARD A QUESTION OF STAFF OR WITHINS ON THEIR BEHALF. PERSONS REPRESENTING ORGANIZATIONS MUST PRESENT EVIDENCE OF THEIR AUTHORITY TO SPEAK TO THE ORGANIZATION. THERE IS NO TIME LIMIT.

BUT THIS ALLOWS AND MAKES CLEAR THAT AFFECTED PARTIES HAVE THE RIGHT OF CROSS-EXAMINE. YOU I NATE AMENDMENT AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL. I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY CLERK ANDRY GOING TO BE WORKING ON WRITTEN PROCEDURES FOR PHYSICAL ATTENDANCE AT OUR CITY COMMISSION AND OTHER BOARD MEETINGS.

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IT LET'S THE PUBLIC KNOW AND BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF KNOW HOW WE WILL DO IT. YOU WILL BE SEEING THAT COMING UP. LETTING YOU KNOW.

I IMPLORE TO YOU PASS IT IF YOU WANT THE BOARDS TO MEET.

WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE.

>> THANK YOU. >> MOTION WITH AMENDMENT.

>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

>> WE HAD 15 MINUTE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.

CITY MANAGER MARTIN AND I ON MONDAY PROBABLY HAD A 20 MINUTE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS. I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF PUBLIC TO BE ENGAGED IN THE DECISIONS OF THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES. ALSO TO HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD.

AND AS WE'RE EXPERIENCING IN OUR OWN MEETINGS, THERE IS A VOID OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. AND ESPECIALLY IN THESE CAUSE SIGH JUDICIAL HEARINGS. THIS CROSS EXAMINATION IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT. SO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY WE BOTH TALKED ABOUT HAVING WITNESSES AT THE HE CAN TURN WITH AN EMPTY SEATING AREA. THAT IS PRACTICING SOCIAL DISTANCING. AND THEN OTHER WITNESSES WAITING IN THEIR CARS IN THE PARKING LOT.

AND THEN BEING CALLED TO BE ABLE TO TESTIFY.

AND THE APPLICANT CAN BE ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE ROOM WELL OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF SOCIAL DISTANCING.

SO PHYSICALLY IT IS POSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE THIS.

I ALSO WILL CHALLENGE THE CITY TO FIGURE OUT THIS TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING THIS VIRTUALLY.

AND IT CAN BE DONE AND WE'RE STILL STRUGGLING WITH IT.

AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE LEARNING AS WE'RE GOING.

BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE MEETING LIKE THIS.

WE'RE GOING TO BE MEETING LIKE THIS I BELIEVE AT LEAST FOR ANOTHER MONTH. SO WE NEED THAT IS THREE MORE MEETINGS. WE NEED TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

I DON'T LIKE VOTING FOR THIS UNLESS I KNOW THE ENTIRE PACKAGE. THANK YOU.

>> I AGREE WITH MIKE. I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE LACKING PUBLIC INPUT IN AN EFFECTIVE MANNER WITH THIS.

WE'RE FORCED TO DO IT AND I AGREE ALSO THAT OTHER CITY VERSUS EFFECTIVELY DONE IT. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE QUASI JUDICIAL AND WITH CITY BUSINESS.

I HAVE A FEELING THAT WE'LL BE MOVING INTO PHASE TWO MAYBE SOONER THAN WE LIKE. UNTIL THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE RESTRICTED TO 10 PEOPLE. I THINK WE CAN EFFECTIVELY DO

NA. >> I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TONIGHT AND IT'S OK WITH ME I'M TRYING TO RESPOND TO THE REQUEST -- [INAUDIBLE] I HAVE IF AWE PROVE THIS, I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT THE NUMBER ONE WE DO -- I'M GOING TO SPEAK FOR DANA HERE JUST BECAUSE I HAVE WORKED WITH HIM A LITTLE BIT, MOSTLY THROUGH KATIE. WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO HAVE -- IT'S NOT ABOUT LACK TECHNOLOGY.

WE'RE NOT LACKING THE TECHNOLOGY TO AS OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.

THEY HAVE A SEPARATE ZOOM MEETING FOR A WAITING ROOM.

IF I'M SAYING THIS TOO SIMPLY DANA I APOLOGIZE.

THERE IS A WAY TO ENGAGE ALL OF THE PUBLIC.

ALL OF THEM. THAT WANT TO BE SITTING THERE LISTENING AND THEY GET CALLED, THEY RAISE THEIR HAND TYPE OF THING AND THEY GET CALLED WHEN IT'S THEIR TURN TO SPEAK.

AND THEY ARE BASICALLY PATCHED INTO OUR MEETING AND SO WE DO

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AND I THINK THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS WOULD GO ON. AND OTHER CITIES IT'S ONLY BEEN A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS THAT THEY'VE HAD THEIR RULES IN PLACE TO ALLOW THIS ALSO. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE REALLY BEHIND. WE CAN HAVE THEM IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION AND CITY MANAGER WANT TO DO.

THAT IS WHAT THESE RULES SAY, IT DOESN'T USE THE TERM ZOOM BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER PLATFORMS FOR VIDEO CONFERENCING. BUT IT SAYS THAT YOU'LL CALL IN.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SITTING AND WAITING ON A PHONE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A ZOOM OR ANOTHER VIDEO CONFERENCING PLATFORM AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.

THE OTHER THING IS IN TERMS OF IN PERSON ATTENDANCE, THERE ARE ALREADY RULES OUT THERE THAT WE CAN ADOPT THAT ARE NOT HERE AND I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR THE WHOLE PACKAGE.

WE'RE JUST READY TO HAVE MEETINGS IN MAY AND I THINK WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING THE PLACE BY THAT VERY FIRST MEETING WHERE WE CAN NOT -- I KNOW I CAN HAVE RULES IN PLACE AND WE CERTAINLY CAN HAVE STAFF IN THE CHAMBERS. I'M NOT EXPECTING A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE FOR ANY OF THE ITEMS COMING UP ON THESE MEETINGS.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CONTROVERSIAL.

SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE ROOM FOR PHYSICAL OR VIRTUAL ATTENDANCE AND COMMENTING. OUR CITY COMMISSION IS NOT RUNNING UNDER THE RULES HERE THAT I'M PROPOSING BY THE WAY.

IT TALKS ABOUT EMAILING IN YOUR COMMENTS BUT IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT ACCESS VIRTUALLY TO THE MEETING.

>> >> I WANT TO SAY WE DID ZOOM FOR THE VETERANS COURT AND WE HAD I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ON IT. WE CAN OPEN THIS UP TO SIGNIFICANTLY. WE HAD MENTORS, WE HAD EVERYTHING ON THERE. WE COULD OPEN THIS UP MORE ON

THE NEXT MEETING. >>

>> I'M SITTING HERE AND I'M LOOKING AT THE MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER AND ALTHOUGH THEY ARE I HAVEN'T MEASURED THAT.

IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE SIX FEET APART, NEITHER ONE OF THEM IS WEARING A MASK. IF YOU THINK I'M GOING UP ON THAT DIOCESE AND BEING PART OF THAT GROUP WITH NOBODY WEARING MASK AND COMMISSIONER ROSS COUGHING HIS HEAD OFF AS HE'S DONE FOR THE PAST FOUR MONTHS BECAUSE HE WON'T GO TO A DOCTOR YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND. UNTIL THEY HAVE A VACCINE, I DON'T THINK ANY REASONABLE PERSON WHO HAS REGARD FOR THEIR OWN HEALTH OR THE HEALTH OF OTHERS IS GOING TO JOIN A GROUP IN A MEETING. SO THAT IS POINT A.

WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE TECHNOLOGY.

POINT B, IS I TRUST THE CITY ATTORNEY.

I KNOW SHE'S VERY CAPABLE. BUT I'M NOT WILLING TO VOTE ON SOMETHING. IT'S LIKE SAYING PLAY IN THE SUPER BOWL AND I'LL TELL YOU THE RULES LATER.

SORRY, I'M NOT DOING THAT. WHEN YOU HAVE A SET OF RULES AND PROCESS FULLY FORMED THEN I'LL VOTE ON IT.

THIS IS LIKE HERE ARE SOME OF THEM, NOW TRUST ME.

I'M NOT DOING THAT. THANK YOU.

>> FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR COMMENTING ON MY HEALTH.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAVE BEEN TO THE DOCTOR.

I -- [INAUDIBLE] AS I SAID IT WOULD.

BECAUSE IT WAS A POST VIRAL THING.

THANK YOU FOR BEING SO CONCERNED ABOUT MY HEALTH.

SECOND OF ALL WHAT -- THE PROBLEM WE'RE FACED IS THAT WITH THE BOARDS, PEOPLE CAN'T GET DONE THINGS THEY WANT TO GET DONE. HERE WE ARE TONIGHT AND SO IF WE DON'T PASS THIS TONIGHT, IT'S NOT IDEAL.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. IF WE DON'T PASS THIS TONIGHT, THEN THOSE MEETINGS WILL NOT OCCUR IN THE MONTH OF MAY BECAUSE OF THE PROCESSING , THE NOTICING OF THE NOTICING OF THESE MEETINGS. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE THE DO? OBVIOUSLY THIS IS IF WE HAVE

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PROPOSING. >> MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING IS ALREADY CLOSED.

WE PUSHED IT BACK TO TWO MEETING TO NOT VOTE ON THIS.

HOW LONG ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT? WE CAN'T ALWAYS AMEND THE RULES. I WOULD RATHER SEE US START, TRY SOMETHING. THAT IS HOW WE ALL LEARN.

I'M SURE THAT OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS WHO DID THIS DIDN'T GET IT PERFECT THE FIRST TIME. AS WE GO THROUGH THESE MEETINGS, I'M SURE THAT DANA, CAROLINE , THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL SAY WAIT A MINUTE, WE NEED TO DO BETTER WITH THAT SO THAT I SUPPORT THIS. I THINK WE NEED TO AT LEAST TRY IT. THANK YOU.

>> I GOT A MOTION AND SECOND. >> TO ANSWER COMMISSIONER ROSS' QUESTION, I SHARE THE CONCERNS. WHY DON'T WE ADD A STIPULATION THAT THESE MEETINGS WILL INCLUDE PUBLIC AND WITNESS COMMENTS VIRTUALLY, IN PERSON OR TELEPHONICALLY.

THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO SAY AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND STAFF CAN

FIGURE THAT OUT. >>

>> I LIKE COMMISSIONER LED POVICH AND WE CAN DO A WORKING REMOTELY THING I WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU WOULD HELP ME DRAFT SOME

OF THESE THINGS SOMETIMES. >> PUT THE STIPULATION THERE THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE. AND THAT LEAVES THEM OPEN TO

FIGURE IT OUT. >> RIGHTFUL IT ALSO GIVES US A LITTLE MORE TIME. I'M TALKING ABOUT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. BEFORE THESE MEETINGS START THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE RULES REALLY HAVE R AND THEY ARE LAID OUT AN YOU WILL SEE THOSE. IT'S JUST I NEEDED TO DO THIS ON A WING AND PRAYER TO GET ANYTIME ON TIME FOR MAY.

I APOLOGIZE. I USUALLY DON'T LEAVE THINGS OUT AND DO SLOPPY WORK. IT WAS PULLED OFF ANOTHER AGENDA AND THROWN BACK ON THIS ONE. ANYWAY, I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IN ME.

YOU'LL SEE EVERYTHING BEFORE THE FIRST MEETING ON MAY 14.

>> WHO MADE THE MOTION? >> CAN WEED THAT STIPULATION.

>> ARE YOU GOOD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> YES, I AM SIR. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> I CAN AGREE TO THAT STIPULATION BUT I WOULD TAKE OUT THE PART ABOUT THE TELEPHONE. YOU CAN'T VET TELEPHONES.

YOU CAN VET ELECTRONICALLY OR IN PERSON.

I WOULD SUPPORT THAT WITH THOSE TWO ADDITIONS.

>> YOU ARE MENDING YOUR MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT BUT THE REST OF THE MOTION STANDS THIS IS FOR CAUSE SIGH JUDICIAL PROCEDURES.

>> TO BE CLEAR -- [INAUDIBLE] .

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT -- ARE

YOU AMENDING YOUR MOTION SIR? >> YES A END IN MOTION.

>> AND THE SECOND. >> AMEND MY SECOND ALSO.

>> AND. >> THE WAY THIS IS NOW PLAYS OUT IS THAT THE AMENDMENT I OFFERED WITH THE FIRST MOTION THAT IS INCLUDED TO EXPLAIN THE CROSS EXAMINATION RIGHTS OF AFFECTED PARTY AND IN ADDITION THIS LINE ADDED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE REALIZE THEY HAVE THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR ATTENDING.

>> THANK YOU. >> I SEE NO FURTHER HANDS.

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IF WE COULD CALL THE VOTE. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

[Item 8.1]

>> ON TO SECTION 8. THIS IS ORDINANCES FIRST READING. CODE AMENDMENT HISTORIC DISTRICT

TAX EXCEPTION. >> HERE WE GO.

THIS IS FIRST READING.

THIS ORDINANCE EXTENDS TIME FOR FINISHING QUALIFYING PROJECTS FROM TWO YEARS TO FIVE YEARS TO CLAIM THE EXCEPTION.

>> I MOVE TO APPROVE HAVING OWNED AND RENOVATED A NUMBER OF OLD HOUSES. IT TAKES TIME.

I THINK THIS IS PERFECTLY REASONABLE TO EXTEND TIME LIMIT.

>> SECOND. >> EVERY DAY I LEARN SOMETHING NEW ABOUT COMMISSIONER ROSS. YOU ARE LIKE AN ONION.

REMODELING HOUSES. WILL YOU CALL THE VOTE?

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> ITEM 8.2.

[Item 8.2]

>> >> THESE ARE JUST BOARD RIGHT,

NOT COMMISSIONERS. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. >> THIS ORDINANCE SAYS THAT ALL BOARD MEMBERS EXCLUDING CITY COMMISSIONERS THEIR BOARD TERMS EXPIRE ON DECEMBER 31 AND NEW TERMS BEGIN ON JANUARY 1. IT DOESN'T MEAN THERE ARE ONE YEAR TERMS FOR EVERYBODY. EVERYBODY IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. MANY OF ARE THREE YEARS.

IT MEANS THE THREE YEAR TERM STARTS ON JANUARY 1 AND ON DECEMBER 31 IT -- EACH BOARD AND COMMITTEE MUST HAVE A CHAIRPERSON AND RECORDING SECRETARY.

I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT MAYBE THAT SAYS THAT COULD BE CITY STAFF OR A BOARD MEMBER RECORDING SECRETARY THEIR PURPOSE IS TO TAKE THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING.

TO MAKE THAT CLEAR IT MAY BE CITY STAFF OR A BOARD MEMBER.

THIS AND MY LAST COMMENT UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS AND I HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IS THAT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE WILL PROVIDE BOARD OR COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE FOR REAPPOINTMENT 90 DAYS NOTICE PRIOR TO THEIR TERM EXPIRING INSTEAD OF 30 AND IF

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THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME AND EVERYBODY HAS TO BE HEAD A LITTLE MORE. COMMISSIONER ROSS ASKED ME IF THIS APPLIES TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD.

IT COULD. THE CODE TALKS ABOUT HOW THEY ARE APPOINTED AND HOW MANY YEARS THEY EVERYBODY IS.

THIS COULD APPLY TO THEM TOO UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO

SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDE THEM HERE. >> MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE PAB , THE PAB IS BASICALLY THE COMMISSIONER SELECTS THE PAB MEMBER. THAT MIGHT BE IN NOVEMBER OR IN DECEMBER. DO WE WANT TO EXCUSE THE OR

LEAVE IT IN? >> CITY ATTORNEY?

>> I WANTED TO MAKE A QUICK CLARIFICATION FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. EACH COMMISSIONER NOMINATES WHO THEY WOULD LIKE AND THE COMMISSION HAS TO APPROVE THEM BY MAJORITY. THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT A NOMINATED BOARD MEMBER BY A CITY COMMISSIONER WOULD NOT BE

APPROVED. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?

>> LEAVE AT THIS TIME WAY IT IS WITH NO PROBLEM RIGHT?

>> I'M SEEING THE CITY ATTORNEY NOD.

>> OK. >> I'M WAITING ON A MOTION ON

THIS. >> RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

>> I'LL SECOND IT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MOTION TO SECOND. I SEE NO HAND.

IF WE COULD CALL THE VOTE. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

[Item 8.3]

>> 8.3. CODE AMENDMENT FOR ONLINE GAMING

PROHIBITION. >> UNMUTE FIRST AND THEN I HAVE TO GET THE DOCK. READING ORDINANCE 2020-15] FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT THE CITY CURRENTLY DOES NOT ALLOW INTERNET GAMING ESTABLISHMENTS BECAUSE OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR IT IN THE ZONING FOR ANY ZONING CATEGORY. WE WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM IF THEY CAME IN. THIS WILL BE ANOTHER LAYER AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT NASSAU COUNTY AND JACKSONVILLE HAS DONE RECENTLY. WE FIGURE TO PUT THIS IN PLACE.

RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

>> VICE MAYOR. >> THE COUNTY AHAS AN ORDINANCE.

ALTHOUGH WE DON'T HAVE ANY. THAT IS PARTLY WORK FROM THE

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THIS IS FORMALLY PRECLUES IT SO WE NEED IT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

ON TO SECTION 9. ORDINANCES SECOND READING.

[Item 9.1]

THIS IS SECOND READING AND I WOULD RECOMMEND END IN THERE WERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS SUBMITTED ON THIS TOPIC AT ALL THAT THEY BE READ OUT LOUD PLEASE.

>> NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED ON THIS ITEM SPECIFICALLY.

>> RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. YES.

[Item 9.2]

>> YES. >> ITEM 9.2.

CITY ATTORNEY. >> I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING OTHER

THAN I READ THE TITLE. >> I DIDN'T HEAR ANY OF THAT.

>> ORDINANCE. IF THERE WERE ANY COMMENTS PROVIDED I WOULD LIKE FOR SOMEBODY TO READ THEM OUT LOUD.

>> I'VE RECEIVED ONE COMMENT. >> IF YOU'D READ THAT INTO THE

RECORD. >> THIS COMMENT WAS RECEIVED ON APRIL 21 FROM CHRISTY MAGNET OF 0 5: 05 CROSS WIND DRIVE.

MR. MARTIN. FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE TREE CODE PLEASE CONSIDER MY INPUT.

THE CHANGES SHOULD CONSIDER THE CITY'S STREET TREE MANAGEMENT PLAN COMPLETED IN 20 TOWNSHIP DIRECTORS THOUSAND NINE.

THE PROPOSED CHANGES TOA PEER TO FORCE PRIVATE CITIZENS TO CARRY THE BURDEN OF INCREASING THE CITY'S TREE CANOPY RATHER THAN A JOINT EFFORT THE CITY. ONE ASPECT THAT IS NOTED IN THE PLAN IS TO ESTABLISH AN ECOLOGICAL SUSTAINABLE URBAN FOREST IS MAINTAINING A DIVERSITY IS SPECIES.

FOR DEVELOPMENT IF PROPOSED TREES ARE TO BE REMOVED FROM A CATEGORY WHERE MORE THAN 10% OF THE FORZEST COMPOS OFFEND THAT ONE SPECIES, MORE THAN 20% OF ONE GENERAL NEWS TO ENCOURAGE REPLACEMENT TO DIVERSIFY FERN DINA BEACH'S TREES.

THE REPORT STATES A SECOND CONSIDERATION THE MANIPULATING THE COMPOSITION OF THE FOREST TO INCREASE DIVERSITY.

THERE IS A SERIOUS AS A RESULTABILITY TO PEST OR DISEASE BECAUSE OF ITS HEAVY RELIANCE ON ONLY A FEW PIECE SIS.

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THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF A JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN PRIVATE CITIZENS AND THE CITY. CURRENTLY 50% OF THE TREES REMOVED CAN BE PAID BY A FEE IN LIEU FOR TREE REPLACEMENT FOR THE CITY'S TREE FUND. THAT PERCENTAGE COULD BE INCREASED AND WOULD RESULT IN MORE TREES ON THE CITY'S PROPERTY. THE PROPOSED CHANGES INCREASE THAT FEE FROM $255 TO $400 BUT DOES NOT INREESE THE PERCENTAGE ALLOWED TO BE PAID BY THAT FEE. I FIND IT DISCONCERTING THESE CODE CHANGES ARE BEING PUSHED THROUGH DURING A PANDEMIC WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT ANYWAY PUBLIC MEETING DUE TO THE SOCIAL DISTANCING REQUIREMENTS.

A VIRTUAL MEETING IS NOT THE SAME.

WHEN LOCAL BUSINESSES ARE STRUGGLING TO SURVIVE, LOCAL CITIZENS ARE STRUGGLING WITH SOME NEEDING FOOD, RECAR RELATIONS TO THE BUDGET DUE TO INCOME LOSS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED THEN CHANGING THE CODE TO INCREASE THE TREE CANOPY DOES NOT SEEM AS IMPERATIVE AS HELPING THE COMMUNITY GET THROUGH THIS PANDEMIC. READING THE NEWSPAPER I UNDERSTAND SPECIAL INTERESTS ARE PUSHING THESE CHANGES THROUGH.

HOWEVER I BELIEVE THE COMMISSIONERS SHOULD FOCUS ON HELPING THE COMMUNITY GET THROUGH THIS PANDEMIC.

THEN GETTING BACK TO NONEMERGENCY CODE CHANGES MAKE SENSE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> I WILL REED INTO THE RECORD AN EMAIL ALL OF US RECEIVED ON MAY 5 FROM THE AMELIA TREE CONSERVE SI. IT READS AS FOLLOWS.

DEAR COMMISSIONERS. THE MEMBERS AND WORD OF DIRECTORS SUPPORT THE AMENDMENTS TO THE TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCE OF THE LDC IN ORDINANCE 2020-11. THESE AMENDMENTS WERE REVIEWED CAREFULLY AND THOUGHTFULLY BY THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD.

WHILE WE NEED A MAJOR REWRITE OF THE LDC, THESE AMENDMENTS WILL CONTRIBUTE TO MAINTAINING OUR TREE CANOPY.

RETAINING OUR TREE CANOPY CONTRIBUTES TO THE CONTROL OF HEAT ISLAND EFFECT. EFFECTIVE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.

POLLUTION CONTROL AND MANY OTHERS.

THIS IS A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT EFFORT IF WE ARE TO MAINTAIN THE ENVIRONMENTAL, SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY OF THE ISLAND. PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM IN COPYING THE LDC INTO THE PACKET MATERIALS.

IN THE PACKET THERE ARE TWO 4S IN 4 PERIOD 05 PERIOD 1.

THE SECOND FOUR SHOULD BE E. PRESERVATION CREDIT WHICH IS IS PROPOSED FOR A DELETION. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED BOARD OF DIRECTORS. I SEE NO FURTHER HAND.

DO VERY A MOTION? >> I'LL MEND APPROVAL.

>> I'D SECOND IT. BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE AMEND AMENDMENT TO THIS. IN SECTION 11.08.04B, E.

THE BUILDING OFFICIAL MAY ISSUE A STOP WORK ORDER TO MY PERSON, FIRM, OWNER OR CONTRACTOR PERFORMING CONSTRUCTION THAT FAILS TO -- I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THIS MAY TO A MUST.

IF YOU ARE VIOLATING THAT ORDER THEN A STOP WORK ORDER I SHOULD

BE ISSUED UNTIL IT'S SETTLED. >> I BELIEVE YOU SECONDED SO A

SECOND WOULD BE AMENDED AS WELL. >> GO AHEAD.

>> THERE HAS BEEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS.

THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR ONE OR TWO YEARS.

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IT' HAD A PRIOR CODE. ANOTHER MEETING.

READING. IT'S NOT A PERFECT PLAN.

IT DID DOES HAVE SOME PROBLEMS. THE TWO PROBLEMS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDRESSED BY STAFF ARE PLAN ON HOW WE'RE GOING INFORM THE PUBLIC. SO THAT THEY KNOW THERE IS A ONGOING INFORMATIONAL CAMPAIGN SO PEOPLE KNOW THERE IS A TREE ORDINANCE. MY NEIGHBOR WAS CUTTING DOWN A TREE, THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE. THEY IT WAS A TRASH TREE.

BUT THEY HAD NO IDEA OR SEEMED TO HAVE LIMITED IDEA THERE WAS A PERMIT THING. PEOPLE MAY NOT SNOW SO THE CITY NEED TO DO MORE IN ADVISING PEOPLE ABOUT THESE ORDINANCES.

WE NEED COME BACK WITH A GOOD ENFORCEMENT PLAN.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. >> I BROUGHT THIS TO THE

ATTENTION. >> WE CAN ADD JOINT AND SEVERAL LIABILITY. SO THEY ARE JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE 100% AND EACH INDIVIDUALLY RESPONSIBLE.

WE CAN PUT THAT IN THERE IF THAT'S YOUR PLEASURE.

AND I WILL TELL YOU THIS. THE TREE SERVICE COMPANY, THIS HAS JUST BEEN MY EXPERIENCE. IT'S BEEN 12 YEARS OR SO BUT THE ONES THAT YOU SEE DRIVING AROUND IN THE FANCY TRUCKS WITH THE BOOMS AND ALL OF THAT. THEY ARE LICENSED AND INSURED, THEY ARE GETTING PERMITS SOMETIMES, NOT ALL THE TIME.

WHAT YOU HAVE THOUGH A LOT HAPPENING IN THE CITY LIMBS WE'VE ALL SEEN IT IS YOU SEE A COUPLE OF USUALLY GUYS BUT THERE MAY BAY LADY ONCE ANYWAY WHILE THAT HAVE A CHAIN SAW, ROPES AND THEY ARE CLIMBING UP INTO THE OAK TREES AND SITTING UP THERE AND GETTING THEMSELVES IN THERE AND USING A CHAIN SAW AND SOMEBODY IS TOUCHING THE LIMIT, THEY HAVE NO PERMIT AND ARE NOT INSPIRE SURED. THEY DON'T CARE WHAT KIND OF ORDINANCE YOU PASS. THE GOOD LEGITIMATE TREE COMPANIES THAT HAVE ALL THEIR LICENSES, THEY ARE THEY ARE.

>> A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THIS.

WILL YOU CALL THE VOTE? >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

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>> YES. >> YES.

>> ON THE SECTION 10. CITY COMMISSION MEETING

[Item 10.1]

LANCE CONSERVATION. THIS ITEM WAS PLACEND TO

AGENDA. >> WHEN WE WERE MEETING IN PERSON, TABLE CITY ATTORNEY SPOKE OF OUR DEADLINE FOR A CONSERVATION REF REMEMBER DUMB TO BE PLACEND TO BALLOT.

>> I BELIEVE IT'S AUGUST 18. >> WE HAVE TO DECIDE BY AUGUST 18 AND THE MONTHS ARE RUNNING BY HERE.

WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO PLACE CONSERVATION REFERENDUM ON THE BALLOT. I'M BRINGING THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION SO THAT WE CAN COME TO CONSENSUS AND SAY YES OR NO OR WAIT A FEW MORE RUNS. IT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION HOW WE

WANT TO GO FORWARD. >> TO THINK WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IT, WE CAN WAIT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

IT DOESN'T LOOK OPTIMISTIC IN MY MIND WITH WHAT IS GOING ON.

I'M UNDER THE IMPRESS THAT THE COUNTY WILL PROCEED WITH THEIR REFERENDUM. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A

DECISION SOON. >> I WANTED TO SAY SUPER VISOR OF ELECTION DEADLINE. WHAT WE SHOOT FOR HAVING AN ORDINANCE COMPLETED BY THE SECOND READING IN JULY.

YES RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. THIS IS GOING THE GO ON FOR MONTHS IF NOT YEARS. I THINK THIS IS THE WRONG TIME TO HAVE A CONSERVATION NOW I ANY IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I DON'T THINK THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT CONSERVATION MORE THAN I DO. I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME IT'S INAPPROPRIATE. I DON'T THINK THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

I WILL NOT SUPPORT A CONSERVATION EASEMENT BY THE CITY AT THIS POINT. I'VE TALKED TO THE COUNTY AND I'M NOT SURE THEY ARE NOT ALSO GOING TO PULL THAT FROM THEIR BALLOT. I THINK THIS IS THE WRONG TIME FOR UNFORTUNATELY WITH WHAT SELLS GOING ON.

PEOPLE HAVE MANY OTHER NEED RIGHT NOW.

AND I THINK THIS IS WILL UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO WAIT.

>> I AGREE THAT. I THINK IT WOULD SEND A TERRIBLE MESSAGE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO BE LOOKING AT THAT OR ANY TAX INCREASES.

>> I AGREE. IT'S NOT THE TIME.

>> I WOULD JOIN IN THAT I WOULD CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER ROSS AS WELL. IT WAS A TIME BEFORE THIS HAPPENED I AGREE WITH YOU SIR IT'S NOT THE TIME NOW.

>> I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

WITH 30 MILLION AMERICANS UNEMPLOYED, I'VE BEEN PREACHING FOR THE PAST SEVERAL MEETINGS WE'RE IN FOR A SEVERE ECONOMIC DEPRESSION, EVEN WITH SOFT REOPENINGS.

THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO RAISE TAXES ON ANYBODY.

AND I'M A CONSERVATIONIST BUT THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT THING.

I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

THIS IS YOUR ITEM. DOES THAT COMPLETE YOUR ITEM?

>> IT DOES. THANK YOU.

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>> ITEM 10.2. WATER FRONT DEVELOPMENT.

[Item 10.2]

>> I KNOW COMMISSIONER ROSS HAS THE MARINA ON ITEM 4 AND I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE WATER FRONT PROPERTY IN CONJUNCTION WITH DISCUSSION ON THE MARINA.

I WILL OPT TO WAIT FOR COMMISSIONER ROSS' COMMENTS

UNDER ITEM 4. >> ITEM 3.

[Item 10.3]

>> I WILL BE BRIEF. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO COMPLEMENT THE PARKS AND REC SPECIFICALLY FOR THE COMPLETION IN A REALLY SMALL TIME FRAME OF 8, 9 NORTH, 2 AND FIVE SOUTH.

THE BOARD WALK IS ALMOST DONE ALSO.

UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DO HAVE SOME CONSENTOUS ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE WALKOVERS 4 AND 6 NORTH. MIKE MAY WANT TO READ THE EMAILS. WE SAW THE EMAILS.

I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH DALE. I WILL POINT OUT THAT WE STILL HAVE A LIVE $500,000 STATE GRANT IN THE BUDGET WHICH MAY STILL HAPPEN FOR THE ADDITIONAL TEN WALK THROUGHS TO WALKOVERS.

I'VE MENTIONED THIS ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES.

THIS IS THE TIME THAT WE CAN BEFORE WE COME BACK IN THE PLANNING WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE SOUTH END, DO WE WANT TO ADD RAMPS, DO WE WANT TO ADD ADA? THOSE THINGS CAN BE ACCOMMODATED. AT THE NORTH END, SIX NORTH IS BASICALLY A WALK THROUGH, COULD BE A RAMP THROUGH THERE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO RAMP YOU NEED AN ADA RAMP.

THE SECOND ITEM THERE WERE TWO DOCUMENTS FORWARDED ON FRIDAY.

THOSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA.

THAT WAS THE LEGISLATIVE -- THE CHIEF RESILIENCE OFFICE FRESH FLORIDA WHO HAS SINCE LEFT DID AN ANNEWEL REPORT.

THAT WAS SENT TO YOU. THAT IS SENT FOR INFORMATION.

IT WAS ALSO SENT TO STAFF. IT'S AN INTERESTING REPORT BECAUSE IT ESTABLISHES SEA LEVEL RISE DATA.

THE SECOND IS FLORIDA ALIGNS. I'M GOING DEFER TO TAMMY ON THAT. THERE IS SPECIFICS OPENING UP ON BEACHSIDE THERE. IS TWO THAT I'D LIKE TO READ AND THEN I'LL MAKE COMMENT ABOUT THAT.

BEAR WITH ME. THE ONE EMAIL HAS ONE BIG PARAGRAPH SO I MAY LOSE MY PLACE HERE ON READING THIS.

THIS IS FROM JACKIE STEPHENSON. IT SAYS THEY ARE ON BEACH PARKING. DEAR CITY COMMISSIONERS, WE WOULD LIKE THE CITY COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION WHEN MAKING THE DECISION OF OPENING BEACH PARKING SOONER THAN LATER. I TAGGED INFORMATION AND PHOTOINGSES FROM THIS PAST WEEKEND AT PETERS POINT.

AND ON MONDAY AT MAIN BEACH AND SADLER BEACH.

OUR GROUP MONITORED BOTH BEACH PARKING AND BEACHES PEOPLE WERE

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PARKING IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO LITERALLY BACK OUT WHEN YOU DRIVE IN BECAUSE THERE IS NO ROOM TO TURN AROUND.

IT'S CAUSING BACKUP ON THE ROUND ABOUT.

CLEAR PHOTOS WERE PROVIDED SHOWING THE BACKUPS AND THE DANGEROUS SITUATIONS CAUSED BY CLOSING THE GATE AT SADLER BEACH. THAT IS ONE PHOTO SHE SHOWED.

THE ADULT BARELY GRABBED THE KID BY THE ARM TO KEEP THEM FROM FALL INTO TRAFFIC. ONE PULLING IN, ONE PULLING OUT.

SADLER BEACH IS ALMOST EMPTY. VERY FEW VISITORS ON THE BESPOUSES MOST OF US HERE HAVE TO PARK ON THE BEACH.

SADLER BEACH IS A BEACH MEANT FOR VEHICLE ACCESS.

IT'S 37.8 INCHES WIDE. WITH EACH DOOR OPEN EACH VEHICLE APPROXIMATELY 12 FEET APART. WE ALL RESPECT THE DISTANCE SO EVERYONE HAS ROOM TO OPEN THEIR DOORS WITHOUT NICKING OUR PAINT JOBS AND TO ALLOW FOR MOTHERS AND FATHERS TO UNLOAD CHILDREN AND THEIR BEACH EQUIPMENT. MOST PEOPLE PACK WALKING TO THE BEACH LAYOUT CLOSER TO THE WATER AND ANYONE WITH A VEHICLE SITS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THEIR 12 FEET SPACE CLAIMING IT FOR THEIR OWN DURING THEIR TIME ON THE BEACH.

VEHICLES ARE FARTHER AREA WAY FROM THE WATER TO ALLOW THE TIDE TO COME IN LEAVING THE FRONT PORTION OF THE VOTE FOR WALK ONS. IT IS REASONABLE TO SAY THAT THE CITY COULD OPEN PARKING ON THE BEACH BY WEDNESDAY AFTER THIS MEETING TO NIGHT. PARKING AND BEACH ACCESS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR YEARS. DURING PEEK TIMES MOST LARGER BETTER KNOWN PARKING LOTS ARE FULL.

THOSE LOCATIONS LIKE MAIN BEACH SEE SAID PARK AND PETERS POINT ARE OFTEN CROWDED OR OVERFLOWING.

I PROVIDED PHOTOS AS PROOF. WHEN CITIZENS SHOW UP AT COMMISSION MEETINGS, THE CITIZENS ARE CALLED MOBS.

THE PERCEPTION IS CURRENT COMMISSIONERS SEEM TO CARE MORE ABOUT DEVELOPERS, HOTELS AND THE CDC THAN THEY DO CITIZENS.

I CONTINUE TO HEAR THAT THEY WON'T LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS, THEY WON'T CHANGE THEIR MIND TO MATCH THE DESIRES OF THE CITIZENS THAT VOTED THEM IN. THEIR PERCEPTION IS THIS IS ANOTHER SHORTSIGHTED EXAMPLE OF MENACE N. THIS CASE THEY BLOCKED OFF HALF THE PARKING AT SEASIDE AND WON'T ALLOW VEHICLES TO PARK ON THE BEACH. WE'RE CONCERNED FOR THE SLIDERS RESTAURANT TO DO BUSINESS. WE CHERISH THIS RESTAURANT AND OUTDOOR DINING WITH LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.

CITIZENS SEE NO PLANNING, NO FORETHOUGHT AND THEN LAST TUESDAY WE LEARNED THAT THE CITY REFUSED TO READ OUR EMAILS AS PUBLIC COMMENT. PERCEPTION IS THIS BEHAVIOR IS QUOTE TYPICAL. I CHALLENGE ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO REACH OUT TO ME TO CHANGE MY MIND ON THESE POINTS. CLOSING BEACH PARKING IS FORCING MORE PEOPLE TO COME IN CLOSE CONTACT AS THEY PASS EACH OTHER ON THE WALKWAYS. ONE MEMBER STATED I NEVER CAME INTO CLOSE CONTACT WITH ANYONE WHEN I DROVE ON BUT INSTEAD HAVE TO PASS SEVERAL PEOPLE COMING AND LEAVING THE BEACH ON THE ACCESSES AND ANOTHER I'VE BEEN PARKING ON THE BEACH FOR 25 YEARS AND NOT ONE TIME EVEN ON THE BUSIEST HOLIDAYS HAVE I HAD TO SET UP WITHIN SIX FEET OF ANYBODY THAT WAS NOT WITH ME.

WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE CITY COMMISSIONERS VOTE TO OPEN BEACH PARKING AS SOON AS WEDNESDAY TO ENSURE EVERYONE'S SAFETY AND OUR RIGHTS TO BEACH PARKING. RESPECTFULLY JACK I CAN I STEPHENSON. THERE IS AN EARLIER EMAIL IS THAT DEALT WITH HANDICAP ACCESS TO THE BEACH AND HOW ON BEACH PARK PROGRESS VIED THOSE FOLKS THE HANDICAP FOLKS.

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CLEARLY FROM MRS. STEPHENSON'S EMAIL, THE MAJORITY OF FOLKS DO THAT BY THE WIDTH OF THEIR VEHICLES.

BUT ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING, WE HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. AND NONE OF US ON THE COMMISSION, NONE OF US IN THE CITY FORESAW THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO SHUT DOWN OUR BEACHES AND ON BEACH PARKING BECAUSE OF A PANDEMIC. NO ONE PLANNED FOR THAT.

NO ONE IN MAKING DECISIONS, WE DIDN'T STUDY PEDESTRIAN FLOW AND TRAFFIC FLOW AND EGRESS AND ACCESS.

AS I SAID EARLIER WE'RE DOING ALL OF THIS ON THE FLY.

I CAN TELL YOU TODAY I DROVE UP AND DOWN FLETCHER TWICE.

ONCE ABOUT NOON AND ABOUT TWO HOURS AFTER.

EVERY SINGLE PARKING LOT ACCESS POINT WITH PARKING WAS FULL.

AND THE PHOTOS THAT MRS. STEPHENSON SENT ME WERE ALARMING. I CAN'T PUT THEM UP ON THE BOARD FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO SEE THEM.

BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE FUNNELING PEDESTRIANS INTO THAT ROUND ABOUT WHERE CARS ARE BACKED UP AND THAT IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. I BELIEVE FIRMLY WE NEED TO REOPEN THAT ON BEACH PARKING TO RELIEVE THE STRESS ON THESE PARKING LOTS AND PREVENT A PEDESTRIAN AUTOMOBILE MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH BEACH GOERS ON THEIR WAY OR LEAVING THE BEACH. THANK YOU.

>> >> I TALKED TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE TODAY ON THIS VERY ISSUE. THE IDEA WAS THAT HAVE IT OPEN AND SEE WHAT WOULD OCCUR. NOBODY PLANNED FOR BEACHES BEING CLOSED BY PANDEMIC. I WOULD GUESS BASED ON THOSE PICTURES AND BASED ON TALKING TO THE CHIEF, IT WOULD NOT BE UNREASONABLE TO IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WHATEVER WORKS FOR THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND THE BEACH RANGERS TO DO THIS SAFELY.

TO OPEN UP THAT PARKING ONCE AGAIN.

>> I'M GOING TO WAIT. VICE MAYOR DEFERRED TO ME EARLIER ON THE HABITAT CONSERVATION PLAN WHERE WE ARE JUNE 2 YOU ARE GOING SEE THE GRANT APPLICATION RESOLUTION REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL TO SUBMIT A GRANT APPLICATION TO U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE TO POTENTIALLY FUND THE PLAN AND THE CONSULTANT. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT GRANT APPLICATION. WE'LL HAVE THAT FOR YOU ON JUNE 2 FOR YOUR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION.

>> I DON'T DISAGREE ON THE OPENING OF PARKING.

I WANT TO REMIND YOU OF THE PICTURES OF 19 MARCH ON SADLER.

AND SOCIAL DISTANCE WAS IN EFFECT AT THE TIME WHICH DROVE THE CLOSING. HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE AND WE SHALL SEE IF WE OPEN THEM.

WE DO NOT -- I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE THE CITY PUT OUT TWO, FOUR, POLICE OFFICERS TO CONTROL THAT. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE.

I CHECKED THE BEACHES. I'M ON THE GREENWAY EVERY DAY.

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY RESPONSIBLE IN THE CITY.

WE HAVEN'T HAD A WEEKEND YET. WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL.

>> JUST TO FOLLOWUP ON THE COMMENTS ABOUT SOME OF THE WALKOVERS AND BEING ADA ACCEPTABLE.

AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, IF THAT'S OUR CHOICE, THEN WE HAVE

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THEY CAN'T ACCESS THE BEACH. THAT HAS TO BE KEPT IN MIND AS WE PROCEED. THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF MAT TO ALLOW THEM FULL ACCESS TO THE BEACH.

>> THIS IS ONE OF THESE ON BEACH PARKING WHERE I FEEL WE NEED CONSENSUS FROM AND COMMENT FROM ALL FIVE COMMISSIONERS.

MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE CITY MANAGER IS THE CURRENT PLAN IS NOT TO REOPEN ON BEACH PARKING UNTIL MEMORIAL DAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN AND MAYOR MILLER SO THAT WE CAN REOPEN THIS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT THAT IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, THEN WE CAN SHUT IT BACK DOWN. I THINK THIS IS A SEVERE ENOUGH PROBLEM THAT WE NEED AN ACTION TO GET THE CITY MANAGER DIRECTION TO REOPEN IT WITH THE PROVISION THAT IF IT'S VIOLATED, THEN IT GETS SHUT BACK DOWN. WE NEED COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN AND

MAYOR MILLER TO WEIGH IN. >> I CAN'T FORCE A COMMISSIONER TO WEIGH IN. YOU CAN ASK THEM IF THEY WANT TO

WEIGH IN. >> I ASK OUR CITY MANAGER ACCORDING TO WHAT COMMISSIONER SAID YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR OPENING THEM, COULD YOU ENLIGHTEN US TO WHAT IS THE FACTS OF THAT? WHAT WAS THE UNDERSTANDING OF THAT PLAN FIRST OF ALL.

>> LET'S GO AHEAD. I HAD A REQUEST FOR A BREAK.

LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS AND WE'LL BE BACK AT QUART

>> I'LL DEFER TO OTHER PEOPLE MORE EXPERIENCE ODDEN THE MEDICAL SIDE OF THINGS AS TO HOW LONG IT TAKES INNER SPREAD TO SPIKE. WE'LL KEEP CITY FACILITIES CLOSED INCLUDING ON BEACH PARKING UNTIL AFTER MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND WHICH WOULD ALLOW US A CHANCE TO DETERMINE IF AS WE OPEN THE BEACHES AND DO MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TO THE BEACHES BOTH CITY RESIDENT AND NON-CITY RESIDENT.

GIVE US A CHANCE TO DETERMINE IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE A SPIKE.

THAT WAS THE INTENT. THE SEASIDE BEACH PARKING IS THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED PLACE ON THE CITY BEACHES.

THAT WAS ORIGINAL INTENT BEHIND KEEPING THAT CLOSED.

I EXPECT THE ON BEACH PARKING WOULD BE HIGHLY UTILIZED F. THE DECISION IS MADE TO REOPEN THE BEACHES, I RECOMMEND AS PERHAPS COMMISSIONER ROSS INDICATED I HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONFER WITH THE CHIEF AND AT THE EARLIEST OPEN THE BEACH IFS YOU WANT TO OPEN THE BEACH PARKING EARLY ON FRIDAY.

FRIDAY MORNING. THAT GIVES US A COUPLE OF DAYS TO ORGANIZE WITH POLICE AND FIRE TO GET THE WORD OUT.

THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS THAT IS THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED AREA ON THE BEACHES F. THE INTENT TO MINIMIZE VISITORS AND PROMOTE DISTANCING, THAT WAS THE BASIS FOR THE DECISION NOT TO OPEN

SADLER PARK. >> I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.

PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO WEAR MASKS.

GO DOWNTOWN. THEY DON'T.

ARE WE GOING TO HAVE BASICALLY SOCIAL DISTANCING POLICE THAT GOES TO THESE DIFFERENT AREAS? IT'S NOT LIKE MOST OF THESE PEOPLE CAN'T ACCESS THE BEACH. IT'S I LITTLE BIT MORE INCONVENIENT AND DIFFICULT. ONE OF MY BIG CONCERNS IS WE'RE GOING TO SEE ANOTHER SPIKE. AND THIS SECOND SPIKE MAY BE

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MY UNDERSTANDING THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA WHICH I DON'T GO ON PEOPLE ARE LEAVING OUR BEACHES A MESS. THERE IS GLOVES, MASKS.

THEY ARE NOT BEING RESPONSIBLE. WHO IS SUPPOSED TO CLEAN UP THE MASK AND GLOVES. IF PEOPLE COULD KEEP THEIR WORD AND BE RESPONSIBLE. THAT WOULD BE ONE THING.

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE ACTING RESPONSIBLE INCLUDING ON THE BEACHES. THANK YOU.

>> I AGREE WITH THE STRATEGY EMPLOYED BY THE CITY MANAGER AND THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE FIRE CHIEF.

AND IN THEORY THAT SOUNDED SOLID.

IT SOUNDED WELL THOUGHT OUT. BUT I WOULD ASK ANY ONE INSTEAD OF HAVING TRAFFIC ON THE BEACH, NOW YOU HAVE FUNNELED PEDESTRIANS INTO THE RESTRICTED AREA AND TO COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN'S POINT, PEOPLE AREN'T WEARING MASKS.

NOW YOU TALK ABOUT A HERD MENTALITY.

THIS IS A HERD OF PEOPLE FUNNELED INTO THAT SADLER ROAD ENTRANCE TO GET TO THE BEACH AND THERE IS A COMPLEMENT OF CARS AND VEHICLES ALONG WITH THEM. SO IS THERE SOCIAL DISTANCENING TO WAY TO THE BEACH? NO.

B, IT'S AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.

C, I THINK THE CITY MANAGER'S SUGGESTION OF OPENING ON FRIDAY IS WELL THOUGHT OUT. GIVES US SOME TIME TO PLAN.

AND FINALLY IF THE COMMISSIONER'S WORST FEAR OF BAD BEHAVIOR AND WE ALL KNOW 80/20 RULE.

20% RUIN IT FOR 80%. IF BAD BEHAVIOR PERSISTERS WE CAN SHUT IT DOWN. LET'S BE PREVENTIVE ON THE FRONT END SO WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY RUN OVER.

S. >> WHATEVER THE CHIEF AND THE OCEAN RESCUE PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN OPEN THIS SAFELY, I WOULD AGREE WITH OPENING THAT. AS TO THE COMMENT ABOUT HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO KNOW WHAT THIS LACK OF THIS SOFT OPENING IS, IT'S BASICALLY YOU ARE LOOKING FOUR TO SIX WEEKS.

BECAUSE THAT'S A CYCLE OF HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR THE VIRAL PSYCH TOLL HAPPEN. WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW FOR UNTIL THE END OF MAY BEGINNING OF JUNE.

I THINK IN MY MIND IT'S GOT TO DO WITH WHATEVER THE CHIEF THINKS IT CAN OPEN. HE'S THE ONE THAT HAS TO MANAGE THIS AND DO THE OPERATIONS. I WOULD DEFER TO HIS JUDGMENT.

WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT CHIEF OF POLICE.

I I'VE BEEN TALKING TO HIM TODAY.

HE SEEMED TO THINK THEY COULD OPEN IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

I WOULD DEFER TO HIM. >> WE'LL PROBABLY NEVER KNOW WITH DATA. WITH RESTAURANTS OPENING AND PHASE ONE WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO TRACE IT DOWN.

WITH SADLER WE'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK AND DETERMINE IF SOCIAL DISTANCING IS EFFECTIVE EASY, THE FIRST DAY.

>> I THINK IT'S RIGHT WE DEFER THESE ISSUES TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS THAT DO THIS FOR A LIVING.

I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY NOTIFICATIONS THERE WAS A PROBLEM THERE. I'VE BEEN BY SEVERAL TIMES.

PEOPLE THAT ARE USED TO DRIVING DOWN TO A GATE THAT IS NORMALLY

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I GOT SEVERAL EMAILS ON BOTH SIDES OF A LOT OF ISSUES.

THANK YOU FOR OPENING IT. THANK YOU FOR NOT OPENING IT.

THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THE PARKING OFF.

I RECEIVED ONE EMAIL THAT NOTIFIED ANYTHING ABOUT A HAZARD. HOW MUCH DID YOU GET ASKING TO

YOU OPEN THE GATE? >> A HANDFUL.

>> WE'RE NOT -- I DON'T RECOMMEND SAYING NOW WE'RE GOING TO OPEN ON FRIDAY. IF THERE IS SOMETHING I'M MISSING, IF THE CHIEF THINKS IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND THERE IS A PROBLEM THERE, OBVIOUSLY WE DEFER TO THE CHIEF AND BEACH RANGERS ON THAT ONE. IF YOU WANT TO MEET WITH THEM F.

THE CHIEF THINKS IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO OPEN FOR PUBLIC SAFETY,

WE OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. >> ARE WE DONE WITH THAT ISSUE?

>> THIS REALLY ISN'T LEGAL BUT I'VE DONE A LOT OF THINKING.

I COMMEND ALL OF YOU FOR THE DECISIONS THAT YOU'VE MADE TO CLOSE THINGS AND TO NOT JUST FOLLOW THE GOVERNOR'S ORDER.

WE HAVE LITTLE CHOICE IN THAT. BUT TO DO OTHER THINGS SPECIFIC FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE NEED TO DO THAT TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE OUR LEADERS AND PROTECTING THEM.

BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE BEACH AND I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW THIS.

I WAS IN PUBLICS ON SATURDAY MORNING WITH MY N95 MASK AND I WAS SHOCKED BECAUSE YOU ALL KNOW THAT ESPECIALLY VERY EARLY ON SATURDAY MORNING IT'S NOT THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT ARE SHOPPING.

EVERY PERSON IN THERE BESIDES ME IF I COULD GUESS WAS OVER THE AGE OF 65 AND THERE WERE PROBABLY 10% OF US WEARING

MASKS. >> YOU ALL CANNOT REGULATE AND I THINK YOU KNOW THAT. PEOPLE DOING THE RIGHT THING AND SOCIAL DISTANCING. I ASK COMMISSIONER ROSS AND DALE EARLIER THIS WEEK OR MAYBE IT WAS LAST WEEK, WHAT IS IT WHEN WE TALKED WITH THE CHIEF ABOUT OPENING THE BEACH THIS WEEKEND, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO DO? ARE WE TRYING TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM GETTING SICK AND TRAGICALLY SOME WILL PASS AWAY? I THINK COMMISSIONER ROSS SAID WELL YES. I SAID BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. THERE IS NO WAY THAT WE CAN DO THAT AS LEADERS OF THIS TOWN. THE REASON IS NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE LOGISTICS OF THAT AND THAT AMERICANS ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY WANT REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE SAY.

IT'S BECAUSE THE DECISIONS HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT OF YOUR HAND ESSENTIALLY. WHEN THE GOVERNOR STARTED THE PHASE ONE REOPENING, YOUR DECISIONS TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE WERE TAKEN OUT OF YOUR HANDS AND NOW YOU ARE TRYING TO RESPONSIBLY THINK OF A WAY TO SAFELY OPEN UP LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IS. BECAUSE THE PRESSURE TOO MUCH ON YOU AS IT SHOULD BE. WHY IS OUR COMMUNITY CLOSED AND NOBODY ELSE'S IS. YOU ARE ALL DOING THE RIGHT THING. WHENEVER YOU TOP BEACHES, IT'S INEVITABLE, MANY WON'T WEAR MASKS.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO STAY SIX FEET APART AND NOT STAY IN GROUPS OF LESS THAN TEN. THAT'S ON THEM.

HOW MUCH MORE DO WE HAVE TO SEE ABOUT HOW DANGEROUS THIS IS.

I WANT TO THANK YOU, COMMEND YOU AND ASSURE YOU YOU ARE DOING THE

RIGHT THING. >> STILL BEACH RELATED BUT A DIFFERENT TOPIC. IS THAT APPROPRIATE AT THIS

POINT? >> CERTAINLY.

>> I HAVE ONE, FOUR EMAILS. ONE FROM STEVE BOWLEN.

ONE FROM LESTER LANDERS, ONE IS FROM LEE-ANNE HERE'S SI.

ONE IS FROM TOM JACKSON. ONE IS FROM I'M NOT SURE WHO THIS IS FROM. JENNIFER HELM.

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I WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GO MEET WITH SOME OF THESE PEOPLE TOMORROW IN THE PAST WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND WE CONTINUE TO DO IS PUT IN BEACH ACCESSES THAT DON'T HAVE RAMPS.

SO PEOPLE BECAUSE OF AND THIS IS ALL THESE HAVE TOH THE NORTH END OF THE ISLAND BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE THEIR COOLERS, THEIR FISHING GEAR, THEIR KIDS STUFF AND WHATEVER AND WHATEVER, THEY DIG A HOLE AROUND THE BEACH ACCESS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T WALK UP THE STAIRS WITH ALL THEIR STUFF.

AND THEN THE CITY GOES IN AND FILLS IN THE BEACH ACCESS.

AND THE CITY EMPLOYEES ARE DOING WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TOLD TO DO WHICH IS FILL THEM IN. I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY WHEN PEOPLE CAN'T TAKE COOLERS OVER THE BEACH ACCESSES BECAUSE THEY HAVE ACCESSES THAT DON'T WORK TO MEET THEIR NEEDS. I DON'T THINK THE CITY EMPLOYEES SHOULD KEEP DOING THIS WITHOUT HEARING WHAT THE POLICY IS FROM THE CITY COMMISSIONERS. I'D LIKE TO IF YOU WOULD SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT YOU BELIEVE THE CITY SHOULD BE DOING AS TO WORK AROUND FOR THE BEACH WALKOVERS.

>> THAT'S WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.

THE ISSUES AND YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THEM BEFORE IT'S OVER WITH.

THE ISSUE WITH THESE WALKOVERS WAS TO ELIMINATE THE GAPS AND WE WERE STATE FUNDED. THAT WAS WHOLE POINT.

THE GAPS CREATE PROBLEMS WITH THE DUNES AND THEY WENT TO THE FOREDUNES. THOSE NORTH END PEOPLE HAVE WALKED AROUND FOR A LONG TIME AND WE HAVEN'T FILLED THEM APPROXIMATE CONSISTENTLY AT ALL. WE'VE FILLED THEM IN RECENTLY.

WE HAVE ADA OR ACCESS AT MAIN BEACH.

ACCESS AT DOLPHIN, ACCESS AT 6 NORTH.

ACCESS AT 12 NORTH. THAT WAS KIND OF MY COMMENT AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS ABOUT OUR PLAN, HOW MANY ACCESS DO WE NEED WITH RAMPS.

DO WE NEED 48 OF THEM. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING INTO THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

THAT'S FINE, WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.

THAT'S WHAT I MENTIONED WE SHOULD MAKE THAT DECISION AND LOOK AT SHOULD EVERYBODY BE ABLE TO WOULD BE WALK OUT THEIR DOOR AND WALK ON THE BEACH. I WILL SAY THAT DESTROYING THE DUNES AND THE SEE SAY OATS IS A VIOLATION OF STATE LAW AND THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE. WHAT WE HAD WERE PEOPLE DIGGING OUT AT 7 NORTH. WALK TO 6 NORTH.

THAT'S ONE BLOCK. OR THEY COULD HAVE WENT TO DOLPHIN. IT'S DECISION WE NEED TO LOOK AT, A VALID THING TO LOOK AT. DO WE WANT EVERYBODY IN THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO WALK ON A RAMP FROM THEIR DOOR TO THE BEACH OR DO WE WANT TO PROTECT OUR BEACHES? IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO AS WE MOVE FORWARD. WE HAVE SEN MORE WALK THROUGHS WE'VE ASKED FOR MONEY TO MAKE WALKOVERS.

IF YOU REMEMBER I THINK IT WAS TWO MEETINGS AGO I BROUGHT UP THIS VERY ISSUE WITH THE 13 ACCESSES SOUTH OF SADLER WHICH ARE 3 TO 500 FEET. DO WE WANT TO HAVE RAMPS WITH THOSE AND RAMP OVER THE FOREDUNES AND IF WE'RE GOING TO RAMP WE'RE GOING TO RAMP ADA. THAT IS REALLY A DECISION THAT WE SHOULD MAKE AS A CITY COMMISSION.

RIGHT NOW DALE IS MEETING TALKING ABOUT BUDGET, TALKING ABOUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS. THAT IS WHAT SHOULD BE IN THERE.

>> I WAS CURIOUS WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAD TO SAY.

I GUESS POLICY IS ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE TO FILL IN WHEN THE WALK AROUNDS GO. THAT'S THE POLL SANED PLEASURE OF THE CITY COMMISSION THAT IS WHAT IT IS.

BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY

IF THEY ARE WILLING TO SAY. >> I WILL RESPECTFULLY ANSWER COMMISSIONER ROSS' QUESTION AND MAKE A COMMENT.

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS. I THINK ORIGINALLY WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PROTECTION PLAN AND WE SAW THOSE PHOTOS OF THOSE NORTH WALKOVERS WHERE PEOPLE AND WE HAD A SIGN POSTED AND PEOPLE HAD JUST BYPASSED THE WALKOVER.

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BILLED IN FAVOR OF RESIGNING THE WALKOVERS SO THERE IS A RAMP ACCESS AND PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GO LAWSUIT THROUGHOUT WITH A SHOVEL DIGGING THROUGH DUNE. WHERE IS THAT MONEY GOING TO COME THROUGH FROM? DO WE PUT DUNE POLICE OUT THERE?

>> THE REMEDY IS HAVING AN ACCESSIBLE WALKOVER.

>> I AGREE THIS PART OF THE QUESTION IS CAN YOU WALK A BLOCK? THE OTHER PART THAT I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IS -- [INAUDIBLE] YOU DUG OUT FROM THE WALKWAY.

THOSE DUNES ARE THERE FOR PROTECTION.

AND IF PEOPLE ARE MAKING THE DECISION TO TAKE AWAY THEIR OWN PROTECTION, I THINK THERE THANKSGIVING IS A COMMENT IN AND OF ITSELF. I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN BUILD RAMPS FOR EVERYBODY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE MONEY FOR THAT. EPIFULLY LIGHT OF THINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY GOING ON. SO IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT SOLVING THIS PROBLEM TEN YEARS FROM NOW, FINE, EVERYBODY GETS A RAMP.

BUT YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYONE. AND I THINK THAT IS PART OF THE PROBLEM. I WANT WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IT AND IT'S UP TO US TO GIVE THAT TO THE PEOPLE AND WE JUST CAN'T DO IT. WE JUST CAN'T DO IT.

SO I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHEN A STORM COMES THOSE PEOPLE HAVE TAKE AN WAY THE PROTECTION FOR THEIR OWN HOMES.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR HA INSIGHT.

I'M GOING TO MEET WITH SOME OF THESE PEOPLE AND GO LOOK AT EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY AND PERHAPS I'LL COME BACK AT THE

NEXT MEETING WITH A REPORT. >> THAT WAS MY SUGGESTION.

WE'VE DISCUSSED THESE RAMPS SEVERAL TIMES UNDER SEVERAL DIFFERENT SIXER. IT BEING A DISCUSSION ITEM AS FAR AS MAKING DECISIONS GO. RING MEND THEY BRING BACK IF YOU WANT TO MAKE AGENDA ITEM HOW TO MOVE FORWARD ON CONSTRUCTING A

RAMP SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN. >> THIS IS JUST MORE PERHAPS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. TO MAKE THEM AWARE OF THESE ARE THE TYPE OF ISSUES THAT THE FIVE OF YOU ARE ROUTINELY FACED TO DECIDE IN THAT THIS ISSUE WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY A GROUP OF AREA RESIDENT AND NOW THAT THE ATTENTION IS DRAWN I THINK COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN SUMMARIZE ASKED THAT IN THE PAST THE EMPHASIS HAS BEEN ON MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF THE DUNE. AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT YOU WILL PROBABLY SOON RECEIVE NOW THAT THIS IS A TOPIC OF PUBLIC DISCUSSION SERIES OF EMAILS FROM THOSE THAT URGE THE PROTECTION OF THE DUNE OR THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS OF THE INTEGRITY OF THE DUNE SYSTEM. AND THESE ARE THE TYPE OF ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE TO BEAR OR UNDERSTAND THE PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE AND YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING THE DISAPPOINT HALF THE PEOPLE WITH WHATEVER DECISION YOU MAKE.

AND A LOT OF TIMES THE GENERAL PUBLIC ISN'T AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDE OF THESE ISSUES.

AND THAT IT COMES DOWN TO THE FIVE OF YOU TO MAKE THESE DIFFICULT DECISIONS. BUT YOU ARE MAKING THEM IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY. SO I THINK THAT IS THE CHALLENGE ON THIS ISSUE AND ON ALMOST EVERY OTHER ISSUE WHERE THERE ARE STRONG PASSIONATE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDE OF THE ISSUE.

IT'S NOT EASY. AND A APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR

EFFORTS TO RESOLVE IT. >> THIS ITEM WAS PUT ON BY VICE

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SIR? >> I'LL HAVE IT ON NEXT TIME

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TOO. >> ITEM 10.4.

THIS IS THE MARINA. THIS WAS PLACED BY COMMISSIONER ROSS. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR SIR.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE CAN'T PUT IT ON THE SCREEN.

YOU HAVE THREE PIECES OF PAPERER IN FRONT OF YOU.

WE'RE IN THE BUDGET SEASONFUL WE HAVE THIS IS THE TIME TO DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE MARINA DEBT.

THE MARINA DEBT IF FEMA DOESN'T PAY US IS SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $15 MILLION. THAT'S AN OBLIGATION.

IT'S IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT POTS AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST. THE SHEETS IN FRONT OF YOU I'LL BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE. THE CURRENT BUDGETED DEBT THAT HAS TO BE PAID BY BUDGETED $500,000.

WHAT SNOT BUDGETED IS DEFICIT FROM PREVIOUS YEARS WHICH COMES TO $2.3 MILLION AND THE ANTICIPATED MARINA LOSS FROM THIS YEAR WHICH WILL BE $350,000.

SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT AS A COMMISSION TO GIVE GUIDANCE TO THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF SO WE CAN MANAGE IT OVER THE COMING YEARS. WHAT I THINK IS A REASONABLE WAY FORWARD IS TO TRY CONTINUE TO MAKE MAXIMUM EFFORTS TO OBTAIN THE ESTIMATED $7 MILLION FROM FEMA.

NUMBER TWO TO ATTEMPT TO RENEGOTIATE WE HAVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT REFUNDING NOTE WHICH CURRENT INTEREST IS 1.92%.

FOR $2.6 MILLION. BUT TO SEE IT'S AMORTIZED OVER 10 YEARS AND SEE IF WE COULD AMITIES IT OVER 20 YEARS.

TO CONSOLIDATE TWO LINES OF CREDIT WHICH ARE GOING TO BE 8.4 MILLION DOLLARS AND BEGIN LOOKING FOR 20 YEAR FINANCING FOR NEXT 20 YEARS. AND THEN FINALLY TO CONSOLIDATE UTILITY FUND LOAN WHICH IS A BALANCE OF $1.3 MILLION A. IT COULD PREVIOUS YEARS ESTIMATES OF $2.3 MILLION OF LOSSES AND THE CURRENT ONE AND GO FORWARD AND PAY OURSELVES A PAY THE UTILITY FUND OF THREE YEAR TREASURY NOTE PLUS 1.5% WHICH IS 1.7% AND HOLD THAT NOTE OVER 20 YEARS.

THAT WOULD BRING OUR YEARLY P AND I TO $950,000 A YEAR.

WE WOULD CONTINUE TO USE WHATEVER FEMA PAYMENTS TO RECEIVE TO PAY DOWN THE PRINCIPLE ON THESE LOANS.

THERE IS CURRENT OR NEW MARINA OPERATOR TO MINIMIZE EXPENSES AND MAXIMIZE REVENUES AND APPROPRIATE MAINTENANCE AND LOOK INTO STORM INSURANCE. AGAIN CONTINUE TO EXPLORE OPTIONS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL REVENUE AND THEN HAVE THE COUNTY AND ANOTHER IDEA IS TO HAVE THE COUNTY APPROACH THE COUNTY TO HELP PAY FOR THIS AS A COUNTY RESOURCE AND SEE IF WE CAN GET AS PART OF THEIR BUDGET MONEY TO PAY FOR THIS.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS A CONSENSUS FROM THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO DIRECT STAFF TO LOOK INTO THESE IDEAS OR ANY OTHER IDEAS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND COME UP WITH A PLAN AS PART OF THE ONGOING BUDGET PROCESS OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THIS DEBT GOING FORWARD IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN THE CITY MANAGER AND FINANCE DEPARTMENT.

I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE WORKING ON ALL THESE THINGS AND I'M SURE THEY ARE. I EXPECT WE'LL SEE THAT IN THE BUDGET. WE'VE TALKED MANY TIMES ABOUT THE ONE ON ONE, PULLING IT OUT OF THE MARINA'S DEBT.

WE'RE ASKING TO BUY THAT FOR A PARK, TAKE IT OUT OF THEIR DEBT.

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AND ON THE SIDE, DID WE -- WHICH HOW MANY RESPONSES DID WE

RECEIVE ON RFP FOR THE MARINA? >> FOUR RESPONSES OR FOUR SERIES OF PROPOSALS FOR THE MARINA MANAGEMENT REQUEST FOR

PROPOSALS. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. >> THE CITY MANAGER AND I THIS PAST MONDAY I HAD COMMISSIONER ROSS' DOCUMENTS WITH ME.

AND REVIEWED THEM WITH THE CITY MANAGER.

AND HOW MUCH IS IN THE UTILITY FUND?

>> I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK EXACTLY.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY $15,348. HAVE ASSUMING WE GET FEMA REIMBURSEMENT FIRST OF ALL WE FORGIVE THE LOAN TO OURSELF.

WHETHER IT COMES OUT OF MY RIGHT POCKET OR LEFT POCKET, IT'S CITY MONEY. FORGIVE $3 MILLION.

FORGIVE THAT LOAN. WRITE IT OFF THE BOOKS.

YOU HAVE WE'RE EXPECTING ACCORDING TO YOUR ESTIMATE

7 MILLION FROM FEMA. >> I'M NOT EXPECTING 7 MILLION FROM FEMA. THAT'S THE MOST WE CAN GET IS

$7 MILLION. >> I DON'T EXPECT IT.

YOU SAID EXPECT. THAT IS THE MAXIMUM WE WOULD

GET. >> OK.

I'M EXPECTING IT. >> OK.

WELL I'M NOT. >> I AM.

SO WE GET RID OF THE 3 MILLION. WE GET 7 MILLION.

THAT'S 10 MILLION. THAT'S 5 LEFT CORRECT.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> I THINK YOU THINK GETTING $7 MILLION IS A PIE IN THE SKY. WE NEED TO PLAN FOR NOT GETTING ANYTHING AT ALL AND GO FORWARD. NUMBER TWO, FORGIVING YOUR DEBT TO THE UTILITY, RIGHT HAND TAKING FROM THE LEFT.

BUT THE PEOPLE THAT PUT THE MONEY INTO THE UTILITY FUND PAID

IT THROUGH UTILITY FEES. >> IT IS CORRECT THAT IT IS CITY MONEY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH. BUT I THINK A -- I THINK IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO PAY THAT DEBT DOWN TO TAKE A LOAN AND PAY IT BACK AS OPPOSED TO WRITE IT OFF AT THIS POINT.

I THINK -- WE'RE PAYING OURSELVES, WE'RE PAYING IT OFF.

IF YOU WANT TO TERMINATE IN THE FUTURE WE CAN'T PAY IT OFF.

I THINK AT THIS POINT WRITING THAT DEBT OFF IS INAPPROPRIATE TO THE UTILITY FUND. I THINK PEOPLE PUT IT IN THE UTILITY FUND. IT'S THERE TO FUND IF THERE IS A CATASTROPHE GOING FORWARD WITH A HURRICANE OR WHATNOT.

>> I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THE WAY YOU DID.

BUT HERE IS WHY I DON'T. IT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME THAT IF THERE IS A HURRICANE, IT PROBABLY IS NOT GOING TO WIPE OUT OUR UTILITY SYSTEMS. FIRST OF ALL, OF 24,515,000,007 IS PUT IN THERE FOR THINGS WE NEED TO DO IN THE FUTURE.

IT SHOULD STAY THERE. WE HAVE TO KEEP THERE $2 MILLION WORTH OF DEBT EVERY YEAR BY THE BOND AGREEMENT AND THEN 20%.

THAT'S $500,000. IF YOU WANT TO BE CONSERVATIVE ANOTHER 100,000 -- 1 MILLIONS VOW TWO YEARS WORTH OF PAYMENTS.

IF IS THERE I HURRICANE THAT WIPES OUT THIS ISLAND OR DOES SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO THE ISLAND, IT WILL PROBABLY NOT WIPE OUT OUR WASTE WATER SYSTEM AND PUMPING SYSTEM.

IT WILL WIPE OUT MOST OF THE HOUSES OR A LOT OF HOUSES.

WHEN A LOT OF HOUSES ARE WIPED OUT, THEY CUT OFF THEIR UTILITIES AND AREN'T PAYING THAT MONEY ANYMORE.

WE'LL HAVE OUR UTILITY SYSTEM WHICH HAS THE SAME ONGOING COST INCLUDING THE BOND DEBT AND NOBODY TO PAY THE RATES.

SO I THINK IT'S PRUDENT AT THIS TIME TO LAY DEBT OFF.

THAT'S ONE OPINION I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THE WAY YOU DO BUT I'VE CHANGED MY MIND AFTER GETTING MORE INFORMATION.

>> I WAS TALKING. THAT IS FINE.

BUT HERE IS MY POINT. THIS IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO

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THAT'S THOSE ARE THE TWO SOURCES.

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I PUT INTO THAT FUND BY PAYING MY WATER BILL. SO THE CHOICE FOR THIS COMMISSION IS WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT.

YOU GOT TO PAY FOR IT ON YOUR WATER BILL OR ON YOUR PROPERTY TAX? IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER.

THE MONEY HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.

SO WHEN I SAY WRITE OFF THE LOAN, WE'RE MAKING THE CHOICE THAT OK WHEN I PAY MY WATER BILKER I'M SUPPORTING THE MARINA. INSTEAD OF WHEN I PAY MY PROPERTY TAXES I'M SUPPORTING THE MARINA.

THAT IS ONE WAY TO DO IT. THE OTHER DIFFICULTY HA I'M HAVING IS BORROWING MONEY WITH INTEREST TO PAY OURSELVES BACK AND PAYING THE BANK MONEY. WE'RE BORROWING FROM PETE TORE PAY PAUL. YOU ARE.

YOU ARE PAYING INTEREST ON BORROWED MONEY.

NOT PAYING THE CITY INTEREST, WE'RE PAYING A BANK CORRECT.

>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND. >> GIVE ME ONE SECOND.

>> YOU DID NOT YIELD TO @CO. BUT A LOT OF THE STATEMENTS YOU ARE MAKING ARE OPEN ENDED AND SEEM TO BE DIRECTED TOWARD THE COMMISSIONER.

WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE LIGHT BOARD AGAIN.

COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> I THAT WE PAY THE CITY MANAGER TO COME ONE A PLAN FOR THIS. IT'S HIS RESPONSIBILITY I BELIEVE TO COME TO US AND SAY I'VE LOOKED AT FINANCIAL EXPERTS AND THIS IS MY BEST IDEA FOR HOW THE MOVE FORWARD.

REALITY IS THE MARINA IS LIKE A BOAT.

IT'S A HOLE IN THE OCEAN THAT WE POUR MONEY INTO AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO STOP. AND WE HAVE THESE SOME PEOPLE HAVE IDEAS OF MOVING FORWARD. THEY ARE ALL MONEY.

I THINK PART OF WHAT WILL DEDICATE THE FUTURE IS WHAT IS IN THOSE PROTECT OURSELF POSELES FROM COMPANIES THAT MANAGE IT? WE ALL KNOW THERE IS A HUGE BOAT SITTING AT THE MARINA THIS PAST WEEK OR SO. WOULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN NICE IF WE COULD HAVE PUMPED FUEL INTO THAT BOAT BUT WE COULDN'T.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I THINK I COUNT ON THE CITY MANAGER SAYING LOOK I'M LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS.

I'M ALSO LOOKING AT GOLF COURSE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PICTURE AND IT'S HIS JOB TO PRESENT THAT PICTURE TO US.

THANK YOU. >> I'M RESPONDING TO THE DOCUMENT THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS PRESENTED.

ALSO COMMISSIONER ROSS' STATEMENT AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT BECAUSE I'VE HEARD TWO SIDES OF THIS ARGUMENT DOCK FEES AND FUEL SALES ALONE WILL NOT MAKE THE MARINA PROFITABLE. AND I KNOW THE COMMISSIONER AS WE ALL HAVE Q. HAVE BEEN RACKING OUR BRAINS FOR THE MARINA.

NOT GOING READ THE ENTIRE EMAIL. I'M GOING READ THE PERTINENT FACTS. HE WROTE I WENT FISHING OUT OF

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THE DRY STORAGE HOLDS 150 BOATS. THAT EQUALS ANNUALLY $750,000.

THIS IS NOT INCLUDE THE FUEL SALES AND THE SHIP STORE SALES.

I DON'T BELIEVE THE MARINA WILL EVER SATISFY THEIR DEBT BY BOAT SLIP RENTALS ALONE. THE REASON I READ THAT EMAIL IS NOT BECAUSE I'M PROPOSING DRY BOAT STORAGE.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS FACT. I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT PROPERTY DESIGNATED FOR A WATER FRONT PARK SOUTH OF THE MARINA.

I'VE BEEN TOLD THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT DRY BOAT STORAGE THERE. GUESS WHAT, THAT IS NOT CORRECT.

I MEASURED BOTH DRY BOAT STORAGE BUILDINGS AT MAA AMELIA ISLAND MARINA , THE DIMENSIONS OVER LAYED THEM ON THAT PARCEL OF LAND SOUTH OF THE MARINA AND BOTH THE BUILDINGS FIT ON THAT PROPERTY. THE REALITY ONCE AGAIN IS WE HAVE CITY PROPERTY SITTING IDLE THAT GENERATES 0 REVENUE.

NOW GRANTED THAT THE MARINA DOES NOT OWN THAT PROPERTY.

THE CITY OWNS THAT PROPERTY. WHETHER IT'S DRY BOAT STORAGE, WHETHER IT'S A PAID ENTERTAINMENT VENUE, IF THIS MARINA IS BLEEDING MONEY WHICH IT IS, SO BADLY, WHY AREN'T WE USING THAT PROPERTY TO GENERATE SOME TYPE OF REVENUE? DO WE WANT A PARK OR SOMETHING DRIVING REVENUE SO WE QUIT BLEEDING THIS MONEY OR AT LEAST PUT A BAND AID ON IT.

THOSE ARE MY POINTS ON THAT ISSUE.

THANK YOU. >> I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE POINTS. THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING ME.

NUMBER ONE, THE LOAN WHETHER IT'S A MARINA LOAN OR WHATEVER, WE STILL BORROWED THE MONEY AND HAVE TO PAY IT BACK SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT COMES OUT OF WHATEVER FUND, IT'S STILL AN OBLIGATION TO PAY BACK THE MONEY WE SPENT.

NUMBER TWO, I WAS MISQUOTE WHEN HAD I NEVER SAID THE MARINA WOULD BE PROFITABLE. THE MARINA HAS BEEN PROFITABLE.

IT MADE $550,000 THE YEAR BEFORE THE HURRICANE.

WHAT I DID SAY IT WAS NOT BE ENOUGH TO PAY THE DEBT.

OPERATIONAL COST WILL NOT PAY FOR THE DEBT.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS SHOWN PROJECTIONS WITH A $15 MILLION DEBT OR EVEN A $12 MILLION DEBT THAT IT WILL PAY FOR THAT.

NUMBER THREE, LET'S TALK ABOUT DRY STORAGE.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. WE SEEM TO KEEP COMING BACK OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO THINGS HAVE BEEN RESOLVED.

LET'S TALK ABOUT DRY STORAGE. YOU CAN PUT THOSE BUILDINGS THERE. BUT THEY ARE 50-FOOT BUILDINGS THERE. IS A 35-FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT WHICH YOU VOTED AGAINST CHANGING TO 4. NUMBER TWO TO HAVE A DRY STORAGE STAFF IF YOU TALKED TO SOMEBODY WHO USES DRY DRY STORAGE STACKS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL MACHINE THAT COMES IN, PICKS UP THE BOAT AND TAKES IT AND DROPS IT INTO THE WATER.

THE CAPITAL FOR THAT IS SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS.

WE HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT BOATS FROM A DRY STORAGE INTO THE WATER. YOU WILL NOTICE ALONG OUR SHORELINE IT'S MOSTLY MUD. ALL THAT -- YOU HAVE TO PUT A NEW CAPITAL INVESTMENT WHICH WOULD RUN IN THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. YOU ARE GOING PUT I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT PREVIOUSLY AND WE KEEP COMING BACK OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO THINGS HA WE'VE PUT BEHIND US AND I WONDER HOW WE CAN STOP DOING THAT.

BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT PARTICULARLY HELPFUL.

I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE THAT THE CITY MANAGER WILL COME ONE A PLAN. BUT I THINK MY ONE POINT IN ALL OF THIS IS WE KEEP WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST IS THEY TAKE THE MARINA DEBT AND PUSH IT INTO THE UTILITY FUND AND AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR AND THE NEXT DAY THEY PUSH IT BACK.

I THINK THAT PRACTICE NEED TO STOP.

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WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE DEBT AS PAINFUL AS IT MIGHT BE.

I HAVE ACTUALLY ADVOCATED PUTTING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AS LONG THAT WATER FRONT. THERE IS NO REASON WE CAN'T HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND A WATER FRONT PARK.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING A COMMERCIAL BUILDING WHERE THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD IS MORE TO THE SOUTH OF THAT.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BRETT AND A MORE REASONABLE LEASE AND A BARGE OR BUILDING AT FRONT STREET AND ALL OF THESE COULD BE TRIPLE NET LEASES WITH A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

THERE ARE WAYS OF STUDENTS OF TAKING A PARK AND ALSO HAVING COMMERCIAL INTERESTING COMMERCIAL THINGS ALONG THE WATER FRONT. I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS NOW FOR THE LAST YEAR. AND IT NEVER SEEMS TO GET ANY TRACTION. I HAVE ALL THE CONFIDENCE THAT OUR CITY MANAGER WILL COME ONE A PLAN FOR REFINANCING THE DEBT.

ONE OF THE THINGS I'M GOING INSIST ON AND I MAY BE OUT VOTED BECAUSE IT TAKES THREE VOTE WE NOT PUSH THE DEBT BACK AND FORTH EVERY YEAR , THE SHELL GAME WE'VE BEEN PLAYING.

IT'S NOT JUST THIS COMMISSION, IT'S GOING BACK MANY YEARS HAS DONE TO FINANCE THIS DEBT. THANK YOU.

>> I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT THE CITY MANAGER AND BUDGET COME ONE. I WILL SAY THAT THE FOUR PROPOSALS WILL BE INTERESTING TOO.

I REMEMBER THEY HAD A WEST TRACK STANDING UP IN FRONT OF US AND THEY OPERATE MARINAS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY WITHOUT ANY SHORELINE DRY STORAGE. I THINK THE MARINA DID MAKE MONEY ONE YEAR WITHOUT THE DEBT ISSUE.

I WOULD SAY THERE IS AN ISSUE WHICH I BELIEVE OUR AUDITORS CONSISTENTLY IDENTIFY. THE UTILITY FUNDS.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. LIKE I SAY, EVERYBODY -- YOU CAN SAY YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE CITY MANAGER BUT THEN YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL HIM WHAT TO DO. LET'S LET HIM COME UP WITH THAT PLAN. AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> THIS IS YOUR ITEM.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHINGS? >> NO, SIR.

>> WE'LL MOVE ON THE ITEM 10.5. THIS IS THE DOG PARK.

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>> LET ME TELL YOU ALL I DON'T HAVE A DOG.

AND THE REASON THIS IS ON THERE IS BECAUSE THERE WAS A GROUP OF CITIZENS WITH 150 SIGNATURES WHO WERE INTERESTED IN THE DOG PARK AND HAD PROPOSALS. I WAS UNAWARE OF THE PROPOSAL.

THEY ARE ALL ATTACHED AS DOCUMENTATION TO THIS EVENT.

UNTIL IT CAME UP AT THE JOINT SCHOOL DISTRICT MEETENING TO 1ST OF FEBRUARY. WHERE IT WAS MY IMPRESSION, I TRIED TO GET THE MINUTES BUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS A PROBLEM PRODUCING THEM, SOME TECHNICAL ISSUE.

THERE WAS REALLY NO REAL DECISION.

ALL I'D LIKE TO DO IS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS ISSUE TO BE BROUGHT IN FRONT OF THE PARKS AND RECS ANTED BROUGHT BACK TO US. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE GROUP ORIGINAL POSITION WAS THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY AND OUR PROPERTY THAT WE OWN WITH CHILL FACTORS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY FOR PARKING LOTS AND OTHER THINGS AND THAT THERE WAS A REVISION AND NOW THERE IS OTHER REVISIONS AND THAT IS ALL FINE. I TALKED TO DALE ABOUT IT.

HE BROUGHT UP A POINT. I'VE LOOKED AT HICKORY PARK.

THOSE ARE IRRELEVANT. ALL I'M SAYING IS WE SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH OUR CITIZENS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT AND I THINK YOU ALL GOT THE EMAIL RUNNING ABOUT.

I THINK IT WAS 13-3 IN FAVOR OF LOOKING AT IT.

I SEE NO REASON WE CAN'T GO ON AND LOOK AT IT.

I WANT TO POINT OUT THIS RESPONSE WAS NOT A FACEBOOK RESPONSE. THIS WAS NOT A SOCIAL MEDIA RESPONSE. THIS WAS A RESPONSE THAT WASN'T SOLICITED BY ME. SO THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS THAT WE LOOK AT THIS AND MOVE IT TO THE DISCOVERY PHASE.

LOOK AT THIS TWO AND A HALF PAGES OF THINGS AND MANY OF

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I'D LIKE TO MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD.

I'LL POINT OUT TOO I DON'T HAVE A DOG.

I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE SIDES TO RESPOND TO WHAT THEY THINK THEY NEED. I REMEMBER BACK WHEN I MADE CASES THAT WOULD COME TO ME ABOUT REAL ESTATE TAXES FOR CONSERVATION THAT I BROUGHT FORWARD.

SAME I'M BRINGING THIS FORWARD BECAUSE THE CITIZENS ASKED ME

TO. >> I'M GOING TO TAKE AN ATTEMPT AT THIS. I HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF FAITH.

ALL WE'RE DOING IS DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT AS A GROUP TO ALLOW THIS TO GO BACK TO THE COMMITTEE CONSIDER IT.

WE'RE NOT MAKING DECISIONS ON LOCATIONS OR CONSIDERING WHETHER OR NOT STAY GOOD IDEA, BAD IDEA, JUST THERE IS A CONSENSUS WE'RE NOT AGAINST IT TO ALLOW A COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT IT.

TRYING TO KEEP THE WATERS CLEAR. WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.

>> THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO READ A RESPONSE THAT IT'S MY CANNED RESPONSE I SENT TO MANY PEOPLE.

I THINK RECENTLY I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM A MR. COOK REGARDING PROTECT OURSELFTH PROPOSED DOG PARK.

MY RESPONSE WHICHS MY THOUGHT. IN TO MR. COOK'S RECENT EMAIL WHERE I'M NOT ENGAGED IN ACTIVE CAMPAIGN AGAINST MR. COOK'S PROPOSED PARK WHICH HE STATED I WAS OR ANY OTHER DOG PARK.

AT THE MOMENT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOW THE CITY RESIDENTS WILL GET ENOUGH TO EAT AND PAY LIVING COST.

I'M OPPOSED TO ANY NEW PARKS AT THIS TIME.

THE CITY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR WHAT THE CITY OWNS.

I VOTED AGAINST SIMMONS PARK FOR SIMILAR REASONS AND THAT WAS BEFORE COVID 19. A DOG PARK WOULD BE A WONDERFUL AMENITY FOR MANY CITIZENS. HOWEVER I BELIEVER AT THIS TIME THERE ARE MANY OTHER PRIORITIES THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED FIRST.

IT IS UNLIKELY THE SITUATION IS GOING THE IMPROVE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. THE CITY INCURRED A $15 MILLION DEBT TO RENOVATE MARINA. THE CITY IS CONSIDERING HOW TO BEST MANAGE THAT DEBT. THE CITY OWNS 7 PARKS, CITY HALL AND MULTIPLE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES THAT ALL NEED UPDATING AND REPAIRED WHICH WILL EXCEED IN EXCESS OF $15 MILLION.

THE CITY HAS MORE THAN 40 BEACH ACCESSES WHICH MANY OF WHICH ARE IN DISREPAIR OR NONEXISTENT. THE CITY HAS MANY PRESSING NEEDS TO MAINTAIN AND REFURBISH THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE.

CITY REVENUE FROM SALES TAX AND FEES WILL DECLINE FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. THE EXTENT IS UNKNOWN.

THE CURRENT PROPOSED LOCATION FOR THE DOG PARK IS PROBLEMATIC.

I REVIEWED THE PROPOSED DOG PARK YAY LAYOUT WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE. THE PARK AND THE NEW CONFIGURATION WILL CREATE OPERATIONAL PROBLEMS AND ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS FOR THE BOARD.

THE SCHOOL BOARD AT THIS TIME IS HAVING ENOUGH ON ITS PLATE AT THE MOMENT WITHOUT CREATING ANYMORE OBSTACLES AND EXPENSES FOR THEIR OPERATION. THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE PARK IS ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THE LOCATION. THEY BELIEVE IT WILL ADVERSELY IMPACT THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE AND PROPERTY VALUES.

FINALLY THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY VOTED THE PROPOSAL LOCATION NONE OF THESE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE ADD HAVE COT KATT OF THE PARK.

A DOG PARK IS AN IDEA THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED IN FUTURE BUDGES.

IN THE MEANTIME I HAVE A FEW THOUGHTS.

I'D LIKE THE HEAR FROM PARKS AND REC OR ANYBODY SUGGESTIONS HOW THE CURRENT PARKS COULD BE MADE MORE DOG FRIENDLY AND WHETHER THEY WOULD BE CONTACTING THEIR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO REQUEST A DOG PARK ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE ISLAND FUNDED BY THE COUNTY. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DOG PARKS. I THINK IT'S A GREAT AMENITY.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING AT THIS POINT SHOULD BE PUT ON THE BACK BURNER UNTIL WE RESOLVE ALL THESE OTHER PRESSING ISSUES.

THANK YOU. >> I THINK THERE IS TREMENDOUS MEDICAL RESEARCH DATA BASE THAT THAT PROVES THE MEDICAL BENEFITS OF PEOPLE HAVING A PET, ESPECIALLY A DOG.

DOGS ARE BROUGHT INTO HOSPITALS ALL THE TIME AS A HEALING AID.

I THINK THE COST OF THIS WHICH THEY FIRST PROPOSE ASKED ONE WE

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THIS IS DIFFICULT TIMES. FOR MANY PEOPLE IN THESE DIFFICULT TIMES THEIR DOG IS THEIR COMFORT.

TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A DOG TO A PARK, LET IT RUN AND PLAY IS JUST A MENTAL HEALTH BENEFIT MUCH LIKE PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT GOING TO THE BEACH. I THINK THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CITY, HOW MANY CITIES DO YOU KNOW THAT FOR EXAMPLE YOU WALK DOWNTOWN, MOST OF THE MERCHANTS HAVE A WATER DISH OUT FRONT FOR THE DOGS? HOW MANY CITIES DO YOU KNOW HAVE A DOG CHRISTMAS PARADE? LAST YEAR OVER 250 DOGS PARTICIPATED IN THAT PARADE. YOU TALK ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE, QUALITY OF LIFE. FOR MANY PEOPLE THEIR PET IS A BIG PIECE OF THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.

IN YOUR RESPONSE YOU STATED THAT THE PARK AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY VOTED NOT TO FUND THIS PROJECT.

THE PARK AND REC BOARD DOES NOT FUND PROJECTS.

THE FIVE OF US DO. YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW IT IF IT'S IN WITH THE MASTER PLAN. IMPD EXPECT THE PARK AND REC ADVISORY BOARD WHEN THEY GET BACK TO MEETING WOULD MAKE THAT DECISION. THAT'S NOT OUR DECISION TO MAKE.

IT'S THEIR DECISION TO ADVISE US.

YES IT IF IT'S, NO IT DOESN'T FIT.

I THINK THAT A DOG PARK WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS ADDITION TO THIS CITY AND I THINK PEOPLE JUST BENT OVER BACKWARD TO COME ONE OBSTACLES TO PREVENT IT. I ADMIT DOGS DIDN'T VOTE FOR ANY OF US BUT THEY ARE PART OF OUR CONSTITUENTS AND I BELIEVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DOGS HAVE A RIGHT TO TAKE THEM TO A PARK.

PEOPLE USE THE THESE PET OWNERS NEED A PLACE TO TAKE THEIR DOGS TO LET THEM HAVE FUN. IF YOU HAVE EVER GONE BY HOT PAWS DURING DAY IT'S AMAZING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PARKED IN THEIR PARKING LOT WATCHING THE DOGS PLAY.

IF WATCHING DOGS PLAY IS NOT THERAPEUTIC WHY DO WE HAVE THE PUPPY BOWL? I THINK IT SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT. I DON'T BELIEVE A PUPPY PARK WILL SEND THIS CITY INTO BANKRUPTCY.

IT'S A NICE POSITIVE THING FOR TO US LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU. >> ALL I'M ASKING IS WE SEND IT BACK THROUGH THE SYSTEM THAT INCLUDES PARKS AND REC.

IT WOULD COME BACK AND WE COULD SAY YES OR NO. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING TO DO. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CITIZENS NOT THE THREE EMAILS OR FOUR OPPOSED TO IT.

THE MANY THAT WERE IN FAVOR AND THE PETITION WITH 150 RESIDENT ON IT. I THINK THEY ARE JUST ASKING WE OBJECTIVELY LOOK AT IT. EVERYTHING IS FLEXIBLE.

LOCATION IS FLEXIBLE. COST IS MINIMAL.

WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE IT. >> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SENDING IT BACK TO PARKS AND RECREATION.

THAT'S A FINE IDEA. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A DOG PARK.

I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL AMENITY.

I'M CONCERNED WE'RE A CITY OF 12,000 PEOPLE AND WE KEEP ADDING MAUNDER MORE AND MORE WITHOUT FIXING WHAT WE GOT.

EVERYBODY TALKED ABOUT NOT RAISING TAXES AND THERE IS 1500 PEOPLE ON THE ISLAND UNEMPLOYED YET WE'RE ADDING MORE AND MORE SERVICES. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT IS GOING TO WORK. I AGREE SENDING IT BACK TO PARKS AND RECREATION FOR THEIR COMMENT AND FURTHER EVALUATION.

>> I ALSO AM NOT OPPOSED TO A DOG PARK.

HERE ARE MY CONCERNS WITH IT. ONE IS THE LOCATION.

IT'S ADJACENT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD. IF THAT DOG PARK WERE HALF A BLOCK AWAY FROM ME, I'M NOT SURE I WANT 50 DOGS BARKING ALL DAY.

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A PARK THAT SIZE WOULD REQUIRE 25 PARKING SPACES WHERE WOULD THOSE GO? I'M NOT OPPOSED GOING PARKS AND REC FOR A SECOND CONSIDERATION. I WAS AT THE PARKS AND REC MEETING WHEN THEY TURNED IT DOWN.

WHAT IS THE PROPER LOCATION FOR THIS? AND SECONDLY I HAVE BEEN PREACHING FOR THE PAST TWO MEETINGS WE ARE GOING HIT A RECESSION.

AND I SURE AS HECK HOPE OUR BUDGET PLANS REFLECT THAT.

$40,000 PLUS MAINTENANCE. THAT'S MONEY.

SO AT THE PROPER TIME AT THE PROPER LOCATION I'M ALL FOR A DOG PARK. BUT WE'RE HURTING AND WE'RE

GOING TO BE HURTING. >> IT SOUND LIKE DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO SEND IT BACK TO PARKS AND REC ADVISORY WITH INPUT FROM PARKS AND REC? I WOULD SAY DON'T GET TOO HUNG TOWN LOCATION. THERE IS ALREADY TWO OR THREE ALTERNATE LOCATIONS THAT ARE BETTER LOCATIONS.

THAT'S WHAT THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY WILL DO.

DON'T GET TOO HUNG TOWN MONEY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. IT'S LIKE WE'RE FINDING REASONS NOT TO DO IT AND WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA.

>> THERE NEEDS TO BE IT SEEMS TO BE A A LITTLE BIT OF WORK AND INFORMATION THAT IS DONE BY CITY STAFF IN ORDER TO -- THERE IS A LOT OF HOLES UNKNOWNS AND QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED THAT REALLY ONLY STAFF CAN ANSWER. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T -- THEIR EXPECTED TO DO AND THEY KNOW IT NEED TO BE ON A PARK AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING AND NOBODY IS PREPARED AND NONE OF THE QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED AND THE WHOLE THING FLOPS OR IT JUST CONFUSION AND IT'S EMBARRASSING TO STAFF AND THE BOARD AND FRANKLY ME WHEN A TEND THESE MEETINGS. IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE IF YOU HAVE A CONSENSUS YOU WOULD LIKE STAFF TO LOOK AT IT, SHOULD IT BE THE CITY MANAGER IS GOING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THE DO THAT AND GET IT TO THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE SPARTANBURG.

>> YES. I BELIEVE CHIP'S VARIOUS QUESTIONS WERE ASKED FOR STAFF INPUT.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO HAVE STAFF INPUT.

STAFF HAS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND BE ACTIVE WITH THE PARKS AND REC. STAFF MAY DETERMINE THERE IS NOTHING APPROPRIATE. AND I THINK THE CITY MANAGER TAKES AWAY AND DIRECTS THEM WHAT TO DO AND IT MOVES FORWARD.

>> THIS IS YOUR ITEM. ARE YOU GOOD?

>> I'M GOOD. >> ON TO ITEM 10.6.

[Item 10.6]

SMALL BUSINESS RELIEF. >> I'M GOING TO PUT MY MASK ON.

THERE WERE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT MASKS.

I'M HERE. I'M ALONE.

I DON'T NEED I. SMALL BUSINESSES.

I THOUGHT THAT AFTER WE DID A FABULOUS JOB OF PROVIDING MONEY TO THE NONPROFITS FOR FOOD, FOR MENTAL HEALTH, FOR ABUSE THAT I THOUGHT THAT THE NEXT STEP WAS GOING TO BE SUPPORT BUSINESSES.

BUSINESSES ARE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE A SURVEY THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA FROM THE CHAMBER.

I THINK YOU ALL GOT A SURVEY FROM MAINSTREET WHERE AN MARCH 1 THERE WERE 223 FULL TIME EMPLOYEES.

TODAY THERE ARE 42. THIS IS SIGNIFICANT AND DRASTIC.

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AND WHAT DIFFERENT PLACES ARE DOING.

DIFFERENT PLACES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. YOU'VE GOT LITTLE AND BIG TOWNS.

YOU ALL KNOW WHAT JACKS IS DOING WITH THE CARE MONEY.

PINELLAS COUNTY HAS CARE MONEY. I UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T GET THAT.

MIAMI IS DOING STUFF. YOU'VE GOT THESE ARE LITTLE TO USMENT, TARPON STRINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK.

I GET THE IMPRESSION BUSINESSES FEEL WE'RE NOT BEHIND THEM.

AND I'VE BEEN TOLD. THAT I DID FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION I THINK WE CAN DO IT THROUGH RESOLUTION ON THE 1ST TO MATCH WHAT THE CHAMBER'S $20 WITH OUR $20.5000 TO PURCHASE SANITATION STUFF. THAT WOULD GO BEYOND JUST CHAMBER MEMBERS. MAINSTREET WOULD ASSUME THAT.

THAT IS MORE PSYCHOLOGICAL SAYING WE'RE SUPPORTING THEM.

YOU ALSO GOT REQUESTS FROM THE CHAMBER.

I THINK THAT CAN BE DONE OF LOCAL BUSINESS TAXES WE COULD LOOK AT UTILITY RATES. FPU IS I BELIEVE LOOKING AT SOME KIND OF DISCOUNTING. YOU KNOW I JUST THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW WE DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY TAKE AN ACTIVE ROLE IN TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING ON WHERE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND SUPPORT THESE BUSINESSES.

WE'RE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE. SERIOUS, SERIOUS TROUBLE.

>> I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED BECAUSE I RAISED THIS ISSUE AT THE VERY FIRST MEETING IN APRIL WHEN WE FUNDED THE FOOD DRIVE AND I TALKED ABOUT THE NEED OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND DOING SOMETHING TO HELP THEM THROUGH THIS PANDEMIC.

AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT I HEARD WERE CRICKETS.

AND SO NOW WE HAVE A SOFT REOPENING.

I HAVE NOT BEEN DOWNTOWN. 25% OF THEIR OCCUPANCY THERE.

IS SOME RELIEF GOING ON THERE. I AM STILL IN FAVOR OF SOME ASSISTANCE TO OUR SMALL BUSINESSES BECAUSE AS THIS SURVEY THAT WAS CITED, THEY ARE HURTING.

I TALK TO REGINA DUNCAN WITH THE CHAMBER AND THERE ARE LANDLORDS WHO ARE NOT FORGIVING THEIR TENANTS THEIR RENT.

SO HERE YOU HAVE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN SHUDDERED FOR ALMOST TWO MONTHS, NOW THEY ARE OPERATING AT MAX 25% AND THE REALITY IS WE ARE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES SHUDDER. SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONCE AGAIN WITH THE CITY MANAGER THINKS AND AT THE VERY LEAST CHIP IN ON THIS CLEANING SUPPLY FUND.

AND YOU SAID THERE WAS A MAX TO $5,000.

>> IT $20 ON AN ORDER I. CUMULATIVE MATCH 5,000 BUT I THINK WE WOULD NOT GET THERE. THE POINT IS TO SHOW THEM TO SHOW BUSINESSES BUT TO MOVE FURTHER AND LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN

DO. >> NOW THAT WE HAVE A SOFT REOPENING, I THINK AMELIA ISLAND CRUISES IS UP AND RUNNING.

WE'RE A LITTLE LATE. DO YOU WANT TO LOOK INTO DOING THE $20 MATCH FOR THE CLEANING PROJECTS.

>> THAT'S ON THE NEXT AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION.

>> I DON'T SEE ANY HAND. THAT CONCLUDE DISCUSSIONITELES.

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WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE REPORTS. >> I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR THEIR RESPONSIVE EFFORTS AND REOPENING OF THE BEACHES. I'VE RECEIVED MINIMAL PUBLIC COMMENT IN REGARD TO THE BEACHES REOPENING.

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AS THE FEMA KEEPS ASKING THE CITY FOR A DOCUMENT THAT THE CITY NEVER RECEIVED AND FEMA SAYING THEY LOST THAT DOCUMENT.

WE'RE GOING NOWHERE WITH FEMA. I'VE ASKED FEMA TODAY TO GIVE US OUR FINAL DETERMINATION SO THAT WE CAN REACT AND RESPOND ACCORDINGLY. MOST LIKELY APPEAL.

THIS IS PART OF THE CRITICAL BUDGET PREPARATION PROCESS WE NEED TO BRING THIS TO A COMPLETE RESOLUTION.

AS I INDICATED EARLIER THE INTENT IS TO KEEP CITY FACILITIES CLOSED THROUGH THE END OF OR AT LEAST THROUGH MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND. THAT THE TIME WE'LL DETERMINE HOW TO PROCEED AS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH VIRTUAL MEETINGS.

WE'LL DETERMINE HOW AND WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE TO SAFELY WELCOME THE PUBLIC BACK TO CITY FACILITIES.

OTHERWISE CONTINUE TO BE SAFE. I'D LIKE TO FORGETFULLY FAILING TO MENTION THE CONDOLENCES TO THE BEAN FAMILY AND THE PASSING OF MRS. BEANFUL I'M SURE ALL OF YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY.

WE WILL MISS HER HERE AT CITY HALL.

THANK YOU. >> REAL QUICK JUST A FEW THINGS.

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THAT HAS TO BE CONDUCTED IN PERSON.

I HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF ANY OTHER WAY.

ON MAY 1 I WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AND ASK TO YOU DECIDE WHAT WE WILL DO. IT'S REAL CLOSE.

IT'S AROUND THE CORNER. I THINK REALLY DEPENDING ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR OUR JUNE 2 CITY COMMISSION MEETING WHICH I IMAGINE WE'LL DECIDE ON MAY 19 OR BEFORE THAT UNLESS WE'RE DECIDING TO NIGHT WHICH IS FINAL WITH ME.

JUNE 3 IS OUR MEDIATION DATE 9:00 TO 4:00 AT CITY HALL.

TOMORROW MY SECTION OF THE BAR FOR CITY AND COUNTY -- [INAUDIBLE] TOMORROW REGARDING BEST PRACTICES FOR VIRTUAL MEETINGS. SO I HOPE THAT WILL PROVIDE KATIE AND KELLY GIBSON AND I INSIGHT INTO OUR NEW RULES AND HELP TO US REFINE THOSE SO IT ALL WORKS WELL.

I WILL SHARE WITH YOU SOME HIGHLIGHTS PARTICULARLY IF THEY HAVE A POWER POINT OR SOMETHING THEY PRESENT I'LL SHARE THAT WITH YOU. THE NEXT ITEM IS THE THOMPSON HOUSE. I KNOW YOU HAVE GOTTEN CALLS AND EMAILS. IT IS A TRAVESTY.

THAT BUILDING IS ROT AGO WAY FROM FRONT OF US.

WE HAVE IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT ORDERED A TITLE SEARCH BECAUSE BEFORE I THERE IS A CODE ENFORCEMENT LIEN ON THE PROPERTY SINCE 2019. AND THE FINES ARE RUNNING AT $75 A DAY AND THEY CONTINUE TO RUN BECAUSE THE ISSUES HAVE NOT BEEN RESOLVED. THAT LIEN WAS RECORDED.

AND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD HAS DONE WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS THEY DO AND THEY ARE BASICALLY RECOMMENDING.

THEY CAN'T ORDER FORECLOSURE, HAVE TO DO THAT WITH YOU ALL.

ONCE I GET THAT TITLE SEARCH BACK I'LL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AND MAYBE I CAN GET A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR DESIRES WITH THAT.

IF THERE ARE BIG -- IF THEY HAVE A MORTGAGE OR TWO ON THAT OR BIG LIEN AS HEAD OF US, IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH FINANCIAL SENSE FOR THE CITY TO FORECLOSE BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO BUY THE PROPERTY AND PAY THOSE LIENS OFF FIRST. I'LL LET YOU KNOW HOPEFULLY NEXT MEETING. BUT BEFORE JUNE 2 FOR SURE.

THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS I AM SURE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHT OF THIS BUT THOSE OF US THAT HAVE RECEIVED THE GOVERNMENT STIMULUS CHECKS WHICH I GUESS I DIDN'T THINK YOU GET IF YOU MAKE OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

I GUESS IT'S A SLIDING SCALE. I'M DONATING MY STIMULUS CHECK AND GOING TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I GUESS I'M BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE I DON'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT ME. I'M CHALLENGING OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THE SAME THING. IF YOU DON'T NEED IT, GIVE IT AWAY. I'M GOING TO PUT IT BACK INTO

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AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT AND STAY SAFE.

>> THAT'S FANTASTIC. >> JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS

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>> FIRST I WANT TO SEND MY CONDOLENCES TO THE BEAN FAMILY.

I ALWAYS REFERRED TO MRS. BEAN AS THE FIRST LADY.

SHE ALWAYS EXHIBITED CLASS AND DIGNITY.

A TREMENDOUS LOSS TO THE COMMUNITY AND FAMILY.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE THE THANK, CONGRATULATE OCEAN RESCUE.

THEY'VE MADE THEIR FIRST RESCUE OF THE YEAR.

TWO KAYAKERS WHO GOT OUT AND GOT IN TROUBLE AND OUR PEOPLE RESCUED THEM. TODAY TO SEE BOTH COUNTIES COME TOGETHER, ARRIVED AT THIS SCENE SHORTLY AFTER THEY DID.

THAT HOUSE WAS WARN AND TO SEE HOW FAST THEY WORKED TO TALK TO THE FIREMEN AFTERWARDS, IT WAS AN INCREDIBLY HOT DAY.

THEY ARE WARING BUNKER GEAR, IT'S HOT, AS ONE FIREFIGHTER SAID I GO GOO A HOUSE THAT'S 90L THIS STUFF ON.

OUR POLICE AND FIRE ARE SO PROFESSIONAL AND SO WELL TRAINED. MY KUDOS TO THEM.

THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE THE DO IS THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING THANK YOU TO THE FIRST RESPONDERS.

I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE GROUP THAT I CALL THE SECOND RESPONDERS. THESE ARE THE HUSBANDS, WIVES, MOMS AND DADS WHO WHEN THEIR LOVED ONE COMES HOME FROM DEALING WITH THIS, THEY WASH THEIR CLOTHES, THEY CLEAN THEIR STUFF. THEY PACK THEM A LUNCH AND SEND THEM OFF INTO THE BATTLE DAY AFTER DAY.

TO ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE I SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.

YOUR WORK IN KEEPING THEM SAFE OFTEN GOES UNNOTICED.

SOME OF YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET ALL TOGETHER BUT HAPPY

MOTHER'S DAY. >> MRS. BEAN WAS A VERY SPECIAL LADY AND WILL BE MISSED. MY DON CONSERVATIVE DOLL LENSES TO HER FAMILY. I'M GOING TO TRY AND END ON A POSITIVE NOTE. ABOUT A WEEK AGO RIDING MY BIKE AS I DO EVERY MORNING THROUGH THE CITY.

MY SEAT BROKE. I TOOK IT IN THE PARTS TO THE LOCAL BIKE SHOP ON EIGHTH AND ATLANTIC.

AND I'VE BEEN THERE MANY TIMES IN THE PAST.

THEY GIVE GREAT SERVICE. IT'S A WONDERFUL LOCAL INSTITUTION. WHAT STRUCK ME IS WHEN I WENT IN THE STORE, IT'S USUALLY FULL OF BIKES.

WHEN I WENT IN THERE THERE WERE NO BICYCLES TO BE HAD.

THE PLACE WAS EMPTY. THEY WERE JUST DOING MAINTENANCE. I ASKED THEM WHAT IS THE STORY.

THEY SAID WE'RE SOLD OUT, ALL BIKE STORES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE SOLD OUT AND THEY CAN'T GET ANYMORE BIKES.

I NOTICED WHEN I SIT ON OUR, POLL AT NIGHT THERE IS A STEADY STREAM OF PEOPLE ON BICYCLES. ONE OF THE FEW POSITIVE THINGS OR A POSITIVE THING THAT'S COME OUT OF THIS WHOLE CORONA VIRUS PANDEMIC IS THAT PEOPLE ARE NOW GETTING OUT ON THEIR BICYCLES AND EXERCISING. THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING.

IT A WONDERFUL WAY TO GET GOOD EXERCISE.

BE SOCIALLY DISTANCING AND I HOPE THAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS AS WE GO FORWARD THAT WILL CONTINUE.

>> I'VE NOTICED THE SAME THING. IT SURPRISED ME.

I THINK MAYBE BECAUSE GYMS HAVE CLOSED.

PEOPLE ARE USED TO GO TO THE Y OR REC CENTER.

I HOPE THAT STICKS AROUND. I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC.

THAT AND HOW MANY ANIMALS ARE BACK.

I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY BIRDS ON MY STREET AS I HAVE THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEK. THEY ARE TAKING BACK OVER AGAIN.

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>> WITH MRS. BEAN'S PASSING, I THOUGHT MAYBE WE CAN STILL DO THIS FROM CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS KIND OF PUTTING TOGETHER A HIGHLIGHT REEL OF HER COMMENTS TO COMMISSIONERS AND PLAY THOSE IN TRIBUTE. IF THERE WAS SOME WAY I COULD GET ALL OF THE MEETINGS I'D CERTAINLY -- I CERTAINLY HAVE THE TIME AND COULD DO THAT. AT SOME POINT WE RECOLLECTED DO THAT BECAUSE THOSE ARE TREASURES IN AND OF THEMSELVES.

AGAIN CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY. IT WAS GREAT TO SEE THE TURNOUT AT THE PROCESSION AS I TRIBUTE TO HER.

I'M GOING TO CHANGE DIVORCE AND I HAVE ONE LAST EMAIL TO READ.

THIS IS FROM GENTLEMEN ANYONE. 2428 LOSE ROB LOSS DRIVE! IN TIMES OF UNCERTAINTY AND CHAOS, PEOPLE LOOK FOR THEIR PUBLIC LEADERS FOR GUIDANCE, REASSURANCE AND DIRECTION.

IT IS THE JOB OF EACH COMMISSIONER, MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, CITY CLERK AND THE CITY DEPARTMENT HEADS TO PROVIDE THAT LEADERSHIP TO THE CITIZENS.

THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT COME TO MIND THAT SHOW LEADERSHIP AND SOLIDARITY WITH THE GUIDELINES COMING DOWN FROM THE CDC, THE STATE, COUNTY AND COMMISSION.

WE ALL NEED TO WALK THE TALK. THAT MEANS WEARING A MASK IN PUBLIC. WHEN YOU ARE WALKING DOWN CENTER STREET MANY PEOPLE IN YOUR OFFICE PARTICIPATING IN FOOD GIVE AWAYS, PARTICIPATING IN THE RECENT PROCESSION FOR MS. BEAN, WEAR YOUR MASK. EXAMPLES OVER THE PAST WEEK WHERE CITY OFFICIALS WERE PARTICIPATING IN PUBLIC EVENT WITHOUT A MASK. PEOPLE LOOK TO EACH OF YOU FOR GUIDANCE. IF YOU DON'T WEAR A MASK AND KEEP SOCIAL DISTANCE, WHY SHOULD ANYONE.

I KNOW IT IS NOT FUN. IT IS UNCOMFORTABLE AND ANNOYING, CATCHING OR SPREADING COVID 19 CAN BE DEADLY TO YOU AND OTHERS. PLEASE BE A LEADER THIS CITY DESERVES. WEAR YOUR MASK, KEEP SOCIAL DISTANCE IN PUBLIC AND WASH YOUR HANDS.

THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THOUSAND EVENING.

NEITHER OF US WERE WEARING A MASK AND I THANKED GENTLEMEN NEON FOR THAT REMINDER. WHILE I REMEMBER TO PUT IT ON WHEN I'M GOING INTO A STORE. WHEN I'M WALKING ABOUT I TEND NOT TO DO IT. THANK YOU.

>> IT'S DIFFICULT TO COMMUNICATE WITH IT ON.

I AGREE IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE TO YOU AT ALL

TIMES. >> I'VE GOT SOME CONCERNS WITH LANDSCAPE PICKUP. I'M GOING TO BE WORKING WITH CITY MANAGER. I'M SURE YOU ARE ALL AWARE SOME PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED. I WILL SAY THAT WHEN I WALKED AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD THEY HAVE GOOD REASON TO BE CONCERNED.

I'M ALSO CONCERNED AS TO PHASE ONE AND MOVING INTO PHASE TWO AND HOW WE'RE GOING THE DO THAT. I'M NOT SO SURE THE KEEPING CITY HALL CLOSED UNTIL MEMORIAL SOMEDAY SENDING THAT MESSAGE WHEN WE'RE HOPING STORES AND OPENING OTHER THINGS I THINK

THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. >> ON A POSITIVE NOTE.

I WANT TO AGAIN RECOGNIZE RAIN FOR COMING ONE $45,000.

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IVE THAT BEEN EXCELLENT PARTNERS FOR THE CITY AND I'M SURE THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE. WITH THAT THE LAST THING IS KIND OF PERSONALLY I ACTUALLY GO OUT WALK TWO HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON ON THE GREENWAY. I'M AMAZED ALMOST EVERYBODY THE SOCIAL DISTANCE AND IT'S KIND OF NICE EVERYBODY EVEN TALKS TO EACH OTHER. IT'S REALLY INTERESTING.

I'M DONE. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> JOUST GO OFF WHAT COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN WAS SAYING.

OUTSTANDING JOB OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THEY NEVER SEES TO AMAZE ME HOW WONDERFUL THEY ARE AND HOW FAST THEY GOT TO THE SCENE AND WATER RESCUE MEMBERS ALTHOUGH THEY WERE NOT ON STATION YET WERE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT KY KAYAK THE FIRST DAY THE BEACHES WERE OPEN.

ALSO THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHO WERE FIRST ON THE SCENE OF THAT AS WELL. THERE IS A FOOD GIVE AWAY TOMORROW AND EVERY WEDNESDAY UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.

THAT IS GOING TO BE AT HOT PAWS. THAT PARKING LOT YOU ENTER OFF JASMINE TREAT. YOU PULL THIS AND THEY'LL HAND YOU A SAND WISH. IT'S SOME KIND OF SANDWICH AND DRINK. THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

JUST PULL UP. A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID THEY FELT FUNNY FOR TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT BECAUSE THEY FELT LIKE OTHER PEOPLE NEEDED IT MORE. SOMETIMES THERE IS FOOD LEFTOVER. EVERYBODY NEED IT NOW.

PULL THIS AND GET A SANDWICH. DON'T FEEL BAD ABOUT IT.

I WAS OUT THERE WITH SENATOR BEAN LAST WEEK AND I THINK HE'LL BE OUT THERE AGAIN. ALL THE PEOPLE AT HOT PAW PROS VIED SO MUCH FOR OUR COMMUNITY. YOU MENTIONED WHAT WE CAN DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND SMALL BUSINESSES AND FIRE DEPARTMENT PUT OUT WE'LL HAVE FIRE MARBLES AVAILABLE WITH THE NEW GOVERNOR'S PHASE ONE OPENING WITH 25% OF BUSINESSES BEING ALLOWED TO OPEN INSIDE I HAVE HAD CALLS FROM BOTH BUSINESS OWNERS I TALKED TO PERSONALLY AND ALSO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO ASK WHERE THAT NUMBER WOMANS FROM.

HOW DO WE ASSESS THAT. BUSINESS WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING TO BE OPEN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND WE FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS OFFERING A SERVICE. IT'S ON THEIR WEBSITE THE PHONE NUMBER YOU CAN CALL. THEY'LL GO OVER YOUR FIRE CODE AND WHAT YOUR BUILDING CAPACITY IS AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT 25% OF THAT IS SO YOU CAN LET YOUR CUSTOMERS KNOW.

YOU CAN PUT ALL OF THAT ON THE CITY SO IT'S NOT ON THE BUSINESS OWNERSFUL THAT SERVICE IS THERE TOO ANYONE WHO NEEDS IT.

AND NOT ONLY WAS MRS. BEAN A LOSS WE'RE ALL GOING TO.

SHE ALWAYS BROUGHT A SMILE TO YOUR FACE.

THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO MISS HER ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL.

I SAW A FACEBOOK POST. SHE SAID WHO HERE NEVER LEARNED TO DANCE WITH MRS. BEAN. SHE TOUCHED SO MANY AS SPECS OF THE COMMUNITY. THE RECREATION CENTER WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE WHEN I MOVED HERE, I STARTED AS A LIFE GUARD AT PARKS AND RECREATION. SHE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE I MET BECAUSE SHE WAS ALWAYS AT WATER ARABICS.

SHE WAS THE FIRST ONE THERE AND LAST ONE TO LEAVE.

SHE WOULD TELL A JOKE AT THE END OF EVERY SESSION F. THE JOKE HAD A PUNCH LINE THAT WAS BUTT OF THE JOKE SHE ALWAYS USED ME.

I ALWAYS TOOK A LOT OF PRIDE IN THAT.

I LOVED BEING A PART OF HER JOKES.

SHE WOULD GET ON TO ME FOR NOT WEARING ENOUGH SUNSCREEN.

I WOULD TEACH SWIM LESSONS SO I WOULD GET IN THE POOL.

AFTER DAYS ANTED WEEKS OF THIS SHE WOULD NOTICE I WAS NOT WEARING A HAT. SHE ALWAYS WORE A HAT AND SHE WOULD GIVE ME HER HAT. SHE SAID EVERY TIME I GO TO SOME EVENT THEY GIVE ME A HAT AN I DON'T WANT THEM.

YOU TAKE IT. I HAVE A STACK OF HATS ON MY DRESSER I GOT FROM MRS. BEAN THAT I'LL ARE YOU FOREVER.

I WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR OUT POURING OF LOVE THEY

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IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TOO HARD TO PACK EVERYBODY IN THAT SERVICE AND HAVE THE FAMILY DECIDE WHO TO INCLUDE IN THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE SHE TOUCHED EVERYBODY ON THE WHOLE ISLAND. I DID HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO SENATOR BEAN AND ALSO TO BRADLEY.

THEY EXPRESSED BOTH PERSONALLY AND THROUGH CORRESPONDENCE THEIR UNDYING GRATITUDE. THEY WERE SO GRATEFUL.

THEY COULDN'T BE KIND TORE SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THIS COMMUNITY. THEY ACTUALLY SAID DURING THE PROCESSION THEY HAD A PROFESSIONAL GUY THERE TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS AND VIDEO FROM THE PROCESSION.

I BELIEVE THERE WAS A BRASS BAND AT GRAVESIDE THIS PLAYED SAINTS GO IMAGINING IN. A WELCOME MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY PLAYED MAZING GRACE ON THE BAGPIPES.

THERE ARE THINGS I'VE SPOKEN TO STAFF ABOUT AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL DISCUSS AS A COMMISSION. IN HONOR TO MRS. BEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. WE THINK MAYBE SHE SPENT SO MUCH TIME IN THE AUDITORIUM, WE'RE THINKING MAYBE THE JO ANN BEAN RECREATION CENTER WOULD BE A NICE ADDITION TO OUR COMMUNITY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT ON BEHALF OF ME AND THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE IT JUST GOT A LOT LESS INTERESTING.

WHEN SHE SAID SHE WAS '4" IT NEVER OCCURRED WE WOULD LOSE JO ANN BEAN. WHY THAT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME.

I ASSUMED SHE WOULD ALWAYS BE THERE.

THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT HER. FOR THE FAMILY AND COMMUNITY AND EVERYBODY WHO HAS EVER BEEN AT A CITY COMMISSION THAT JOE ANNE BEAN HAS BEEN AT WE RECOLLECT LOVE HER VERY MUCH AND OUR THOUGHTS GO OUT T

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.