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>> WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ODOR.
WE HAVE PLEDGE ON THE AGENDA. SHOULD WE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAGH E UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES OR EDITS TO THE MINUTES?
>> I MOVE WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES. ALL IN FAVOR?
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OPPOSED? MINUTES ARE APPROVED.WE'RE GOING TO IF IT'S OK WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE WATER FRONT PARK DISCUSSION THERE. SO EVERYBODY RECEIVED THE BIG HUGE PACKET IN THEIR EMAIL. EVERYBODY HA H A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER THAT. CAN WE PULL THAT UP? WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE THING UNLESS AS LONG AS THAT'S OK WITH YOU GUYS. THE REQUEST IS NOT BY ANY MEANS GOING TO BE THE LAST TIME THAT WE SEE THIS OR THE LAST ITERATION OF THIS PLAN. BUT WE HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR OUR FEEDBACK ON A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC ITEMS ON THE PLAN.
DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT?
>> I HAVE BEEN REPRESENTING THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COUNCIL AND I HAVE BEEN TO JUST TWO MEETINGS ABOUT THIS.
SO I'M NOT REALLY PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY HARD QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PLAN. BUT I CAN DO MY BEST TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR DO WE WANT TO LOOK THROUGH WHAT IS PERTINENT FOR
TODAY? >> I UNDERSTAND THAT CITY MANAGER SENT US AN EMAIL ASKING TO US LOOK AT THREE.
IF THOSE NEED TO BE COMPLETED FIRST AND THEN GO THROUGH AND ACTUALLY GO THROUGH EACH ONE OR HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS?
>> THAT WORK FOR ME. LET'S START WITH THE AERIAL VIET SO WE HAVE A SPOT OF REFERENCE. CAN YOU GO TO E, CONCEPT E IS PROBABLY THE MOST PERTINENT THING TO HAVE UP HERE FOR NOW.
E SHOULD BE THE LAST ONE. >> KEEP GOING.
>> I THINK IT IS THE LAST PAGE. >> SORRY.
SO THE REASON I HAVE CONCEPT E UP HERE IS THAT THIS SEEMS TO BE JUST IN THE STEERING COMMITTEE BASEND TO LISTENING SESSION AT COMMISSION, THIS SEEMS TO BE THE ONE THAT OUT OF THESE VERY FIRST INITIAL PLANS , THE ONE THAT EVERYONE SEEMS TO AGREE AS THE MOST FEASIBLE. BUT IT GIVES YOU -- AND ALL OF THE PLANS IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THEM ARE VERY SIMILAR.
THERE ARE NOT HUGE DIFFERENCES IN ANY OF THE PLANS, JUST KIND OF THE WAY THAT THE WALKWAYS ARE AND THE SHAPES OF SOME OF THE ELEMENTS. WHAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS ASKED FOR IS INFANT FOLLOWING ITEMS. WE HAVE A LIST OF FOUR SO I'M GOING THROUGH ITEMS AND IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS WE CAN OPEN A DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS.
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>> THAT IS NOT IN THE PACKET. >> I'LL JUST GO BACK TO CONCEPT
E. >> SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONCEPT SPECIFICALLY BEFORE WE START THE DISCUSSION? OR JUST ASK THEM AS THEY COME UP. THE FIRST THING THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND DESIGNERS WOULD LIKE FEEDBACK ON IS THIS ITEM.
IF YOU SEE TOWARD THE ROUND SPACE WHICH IS THAT IS AN OUTDOOR MULTIUSE GREEN LAWN THAT WOULD BE CONCERT SPACE OR EVENT SPACE OR GREEN LAWN, TO THE RIGHT OF THAT, THAT BIG SQUARE RIGHT THERE IS A PROPOSED INDOOR EVENT SPACE AND THEN THAT BIG CIRCLE IS A PROPOSED MULTIUSE SPACE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE FEEDBACK ON NOT THE SPECIFIC DESIGN BUT ON THE INCLUSION OF EITHER OF THOSE ELEMENTS IN THE FUTURE WATER
IT'S HARD TO FIGURE OUT. SO THE TWO LITTLE SQUARES.
>> THOSE TWO LITTLE SQUARES S THAT SUPPOSED TO BE A COVERED AWNING OR STAGE OR WHAT ARE THOSE SUPPOSED TO BE?
>> SO I BELIEVE THAT AND I COULD BE WRONG BUT IT WAS NOT TO HAVE A BANDSTAND BUT A MULTIUSE MOVABLE STAGE THAT COULD BE SO THIS COULD BE A LAWN WHEN IT WAS NOT IN USE AND THERE WOULD BE A MOVABLE STAGE FACILITY THAT COULD GO ON THAT LAWN FOR
CONCERTS AND EVENTS. >> SO THAT IS NOT PROPOSED TO BE
A MOVABLE STRUCTURE. >> IT IS A PERFORMANCE VENUE BAND SHELL PERFORMANCE BUT NOT A FULL BLOWN AMPHITHEATRE.
>> BUT WITH A COVERED BACK I CAN LIKE A CLAM SHELL.
>> THE CONCERN IS TEMPORARY BANDSTANDS HAVE COLLAPSED.
SO FOR SAFETY AND PERFORMANCES, THEY WANTED --
>> I HAVE ONE COMMENT TO MAKE ABOUT THAT.
I'M NOT SURE IF THEY CAN POINT THE BAND SHELL FACING OUT TOWARD THE WATER. BUT WHERE I LIVED PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS AN AREA THAT HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE BAND SHELL POINTED AT THE RESIDENCES AND ALL THE MUSIC WAS FOCUSED RIGHT TOWARD THE HOUSES. WHEN THEY TURNED THE BAND SHELL AROUND, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
I'M SURE NOT SURE IF YOU WANT O BRING THAT INTO FOCUS BUT YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF TOWNHOUSES GOING IN THERE AND YOU HAVE A HOTEL RIGHT NEXT DOOR. YOU MAY WANT TO FOCUS THE MUSIC GOING OUT TOWARD THE WATER. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE MUCH TO TURN IT AROUND. AS FAR AS THE INDOOR STRUCTURE THAT IS PROPOSED, IS THAT LIKE 800 PEOPLE BIG?
>> THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. IS AN 800 PERSON INDOOR PERFORMANCE FACILITY WITH GREEN ROOM AND STORAGE SPACE IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
>> 5,000 SQUARE FEET. >> THIS IS THE MUSEUM RIGHT
THERE. >> THE BUILDING THAT IS GOING TO BE THE INDOOR SPACE ACCORDING TO FLOOD REGULATIONS, ARE THEY GOING TO DO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND ALL THE OTHER
MY GUESS IS THEY WILL BE MEETING ALL PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL OF THE ELEMENTS HERE. AND SO IT WILL BE ELEVATED AND
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THEN IT'S GOING TO BE TWO STORY? >> YES, FLOOD PROOF.
>> SO WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS? WHAT IS THE PAYMENT?
WHAT IS THE PROPOSED USE? >> GOING ALONG WITH THAT, COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE CONCEPT HERE IS, WHO OWNS THOSE FACILITIES AND HOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE USED AND?
>> I WILL DO MY BEST WITH EVERYTHING THAT I KNOW.
AND IF YOU KNOW INFORMATION. BECAUSE IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE THIS WOULD BE A PRIVATE VENUE.
THAT THIS WOULD BAY PRIVATE BUSINESS.
AND IT'S INCLUSION IN THE DESIGN THAT ACTUALLY ALL OF THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN ARE BASED ON ONE ON ONE MEETINGS THAT THE STEERING COMMITTEE HAD WITH THE DESIGNERS. IT'S IN YOUR PACKET SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT EACH OF US LISTED AS PRIORITIES IN THERE SO YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGIN OF MOST OF THESE ELEMENTS.
BUT THAT IS REALLY ALL I KNOW ABOUT THIS FACILITY.
>> I'M HEARING THIS IS A PRIVATE VENUE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.
>> THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. >> SO IT'S AS PROPOSED, NOTHING IS SIGNED. THERE ARE NO AGREEMENTS.
IT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING. THE BOTTOM STORY IS COMMERCIAL.
SOME TYPE OF BUSINESS. I'VE HEARD BOAT RENTAL ON THE BOTTOM. THE TOP IS EVENT SPACE.
SO THINK WEDDINGS. WE RECENTLY HAD THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITY, NORTHEAST FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITY MEETING AND WE WERE AT CAFE CARIBOO AND WE WERE CRAMPED.
SO THIS WOULD BE A VENUE, A SPACE TO HAVE LARGE EVENTS.
AND THE IDEA WOULD BE TO HAVE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES CATER IN THE
BUILDING. >> SO THESE WOULD BE LEASED.
NOW MY UNDERSTANDING IS THINK OF THE AIRPORT LAND IN WHICH WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT OUT. AIRPORT LAND YOU CAN RIGHT NOW THERE IS A HANGER SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT THAT OUT FOR EVERYONE TO BID OINT. AND THE IDEA IS -- SO THE IDEA IS WE HAVE TO GENERATE SOME REVENUE.
WE JUST HAVE TO DO IT. MY PREFERENCE WAS NO COMMERCIAL.
WHEN YOU FACE THE MARINA BEING UPSIDE DOWN, WE HAVE TO GENERATE
SOME REVENUE. >> WHY NECESSARILY DO HAVE YOU TO GENERATE THAT REVENUE THERE FROM THAT FACILITY, FROM THAT PUBLIC PARK SPACE? THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER POSSIBILITIES FOR GENERATING REVENUE STREAMS THAT DON'T INVOLVE TURNING OVER PUBLIC PARK 1235 SPACE TO A PRIVATE
DEVELOPER. >> I PERSONALLY TAKE ISSUE WITH THE FACT -- IT COULD BE PRIVATELY NEGOTIATED.
>> HERE IS MY THOUGHT ON THIS CONCERN.
IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING THIS SCALE, THAT BECOMES THE VISUAL CENTERPIECE THEN OF THIS PARK NOW.
YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE THE GREEN SPACE AROUND IT BUT SOMETHING THAT LARGE WILL BE THE FOCAL POINT.
IF YOU ARE ONLY USING IT FOR VENUE SPACE OF THIS SCALE, YOU ARE NOT HAVING SMALL MEETINGS OR REGULAR STUFF, THIS IS GOING TO SIT VACANT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY OR SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.
AND NOT AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE OR ACCESS IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. I KIND OF FEEL LIKE THE WAY THAT THINGS ARE RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING ESPECIALLY FROM A PARKS AND RECS PURVIEW, BUILDING SOMETHING TO CAPACITY THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO USE AND IF I WANT TO HOST MY HUSBAND'S BIRTHDAY PARTY HERE, THAT IS NOT MY FACILITY. WE DON'T HAVE THAT FACILITY
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ANYWHERE ELSE. IT ALMOST MAKES SENSE.IF I WANT TO HOST 800 PEOPLE I'M GOING TO CALL THE IT CARLTON BALLROOM OR OMNI THAT IS MEANT TO HOST A SCALE OF 800 TO 1,000 PEOPLE F. I'M HAVING A WEDDING I NEED TO HOST 80 THE 200 PEOPLE OR A BIRTHDAY PARTY, 40 TO 50 PEOPLE.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT SPACE. COULDN'T THIS BE ACCOMPLISHED IN
MUCH SMALLER SCALE? >> WE DO HAVE SOME FACILITIES.
>> I THINK WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR IS INFORMATION.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO DEBATE. WE'RE HERE THE GET YOUR FEEDBACK. I WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
>> WE DO HAVE SOME FACILITIES IN THE CITY THAT DO WHAT THIS PROPOSES TO DO. THE CLUBHOUSE AT THE GOLF COURSE. WE HAVE ARE THE LIBRARY FOR A SMALLER VENUE. WE HAVE THE AUDITORIUM FOR BIG STUFF. WE HAVE SOME FACILITIES.
THEY ARE NOT ON THE RIVER BUT. >> ALL I CAN SAY IS LOOKING FOR GENERATING REVENUE TO GO INTO THE MARINA FUND.
>> THAT'S WHY I WOULD THINK SOMETHING ON A SMALLER SCALE.
TO ME I SEE A LARGE PART OF THAT WHAT WOULD GENERATE REVENUE IS WEDDING SPACES. I GOT MARRIED HERE AS AN OUT OF TOWN BRIDE. I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT I COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE BEAUTIFUL VIEW AS SIDE FROM BEING ON THE BEACH IN THE SAND WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS DOABLE WITH CERTAIN ATTENDEES OR WHATEVER. I WOULD THINK SOMETHING THAT MAYBE COULD BE USED IN A MORE REGULAR BASIS AND NOT HAVE TO FILL UP 800 PEOPLE OR END UP WITH THIS MASSIVE FACILITY THAT THEN YOU HAVE TO TRY CUT DOWN TO A SMALLER, PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY USE THAT. I THINK IT WAS ERIC'S IDEA WAS A PAVILION TYPE THING PEOPLE COULD RENT OUT FOR BIRTHDAYS AND WEDDINGS. I WOULD PAY MORE FOR IT THAN THE $40 RENTAL FEE OF THE PICNIC TABLES AT PIRATE'S PARK.
BUT NOT TO THE SCALE OF MULTIPLE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO RENT SOMETHING OF THAT SIZE.
>> DO YOU WANT KNOW GO FIRST? HERE IS WHAT I KNOW.
WHAT I KNOW IS THAT THE MARINA WAS RECENTLY RENOVATED.
THE ATEN WAITER IS THAT PIECE THAT GOES OUT HERE NOW, HOPEFULLY THAT WAS 6 OR $7 MILLION AND HOPEFULLY FEMA IS GOING TO PAY 6% OF THAT. DREDGING THIS WAS A MILLION BUCKS. ENTIRE WHERE EVERYTHING IS ALIGNED THIS WAY AS OPPOSED TO THIS WAY WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO WAS ANOTHER -- THESE NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD $2 MILLION.
IS THERE ABOUT AND NOW WE'RE REPLACING THIS HERE AND HOPEFULLY THIS ALL IS OPEN AND THIS HOPEFULLY WILL BE DONE BY MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER. WHEN THIS MARINA IS UP AND RUNNING WITH THEIR PROJECTIONS IT WILL COVER COST AND THROW OFF REVENUE OF 50 TO $100,000 A YEAR TOM SUPPORT THE DEBT ASSUMING FEMA PAYS 85% OF WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO PAY.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 500 TO $600,000 A YEAR TO SUPPORT THAT DEBT. THAT MONEY IS GOING TO COME IF IT DOESN'T COME FROM SOMETHING ELSE, IT'S FROM TAX DOLLARS.
THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO PAY FOR.
THAT THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT I.
THIS IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND. ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE SET UP IN ACCOUNTING BECAUSE WE BORROWED MONEY SO THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO MAKE MONEY OR BREAK EVEN. BUT THE CITY STANDS BEHIND IT.
SO THERE IS AN ATTEMPT HERE TO COVER THE COST.
SO YOU ARE SHY ABOUT 5 TO $600,000 A YEAR.
WHERE CAN WE MAKE THAT MONEY UP? THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR TWO YEARS NOW. THIS IS NO NEW CONCEPT.
LET'S START IN THE MIDDLE. HERE IS BRETT.
BRETT'S LEASE ENDS IN ABOUT TWO YEARS.
THE DEAL WHICH WAS NEGOTIATED IN SECTION J OF THEIR LEASE EVER WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET 5% OF THE REVENUE THAT CAME OUT OF THERE.
THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN IS WE GET 5% OF 5%.
INSTEAD OF GETTING $250,000 A YEAR WE GET $750 A MONTH.
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IF WE REWRITE THIS LEASE. THEY DO A GREAT JOB AND THEY WANT TO STAY THERE. AND THEY ARE WILLING TO CONTINUE AND GIVE US 5%. SO YOU CAN GET SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2-$300,000 A YEAR OFF THAT LEASE.THAT IS ONE PLACE WHERE YOU CAN GET MONEY.
SECOND PLACE AND THIS IS AN IDEA WHAT IS NOT SHOWN ON THIS DRAWING IS THE CITY OWNS A 50 BY 100 SQUARE FEET OF OVER THE WATER. IT NOT SHOWN ON THAT DRAWING.
WE CAN PUT EITHER A BUILDING ON THAT OR YOU CAN PUT A BARGE ON THAT OR YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT ON THERE.
AND YOU CAN USE THIS FOR REVENUE PRODUCING EVENT.
WHETHER YOU PUT A RESTAURANT OR EVENT SPACE OR WHATEVER ELSE AND RENT THAT. YOU PUT A RESTAURANT THERE, MY GUESS YOU ARE GOING TO GET ANOTHER 100 TO $200,000 A YEAR.
THERE IS PLUSES AND MINUSES DOING THAT.
THE THIRD POSSIBILITY IS A BUILDING HERE.
THAT BUILDING IS HELD TOGETHER BY TER MATES HOLDING HANDS.
WHEN WE PUT IN THE STREET HERE THERE IS GOING TO BE GATES HERE.
WHEN THEY PUT THE STORMWATER THROUGH HERE IT HAS TO GO UNDER THAT BUILDING. THAT BUILDING IS GOING TO COME DOWN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THE IDEA IS TO REPLACE THIS BUILDING WITH ANOTHER BUILDING WHETHER IT'S THIS BUILDING OR SOMETHING SIMILAR OR DIFFERENT SCALE, ALL OF THAT IS TO BE DETERMINED. BUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THIS BUILDING RIGHT NOW HAVE A LEASE. SO WHEN YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT LEASE. ALL THAT STUFF SPECULATIVE AND GOES ON BECAUSE THIS LEASE HAS TO BE ACCOMMODATED AND DEALT WITH. THE IDEA WAS TO PUT A BUILDING HERE. THERE ARE DRAWINGS THERE.
I THINK YOU GAVE THEM TO ME. AND AN IDEA PUT FORWARD IS TO HAVE A RESTAURANT OR WHAT IS THE SEAFOOD PLACE DOWN -- SAFE HARBOR WHERE A PLACE THAT SELLS SEAFOOD, A RESTAURANT, TACKLE SHOP, COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE UNDERNEATH THERE.
ON THE SECOND FLOOR SOME KIND OF SPACE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER 800 CAMPHORA FROM.
800 CAME CAME FROM. THAT SOUND LIQUEUREDLY HIGH NUMBER. THAT'S A READILY LARGE NUMBER.
THE IDEA IS PUT SOME KIND OF VENUE THERE.
THE SIZE OF THAT BUILDING THEY GOT THAT PLUMPED DOWN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
THIS IS A CONCEPT DRAWING. AND THEN WHEN YOU GO TO ALL THE ARTICLES THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT WATER FRONT DEVELOPMENT, THEY CALL IT POWER OF TEN. YOU SHOULD HAVE TEN THINGS THAT BRING PEOPLE DOWN THERE. YOU DON'T WANT A GREEN AND OPEN SPACE. IF YOU GO TO ST. MARY'S PARK THERE IS A RESTAURANT DOWN THERE, A GAZEBO.
THIS AND THAT. ONE OF THE IDEA YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT NEAR, SOMETHING GOING HERE, AND SOMETHING GOING HERE.
AND THEN THE FOURTH THING TO BRING IN REVENUE TO THE MARINA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS IS REPAIRS.
YOU HAVE AN INCOME STREAM COMING OUT OF HERE, SOMETHING COMING OUT OF HERE, IT COMES CLOSE TO COMING ONE THAT 5-$600,000 A
YEAR. >> I THINK THE AGREEMENT YOU ARE HEARING FROM THIS GROUP IS THAT 800 -- THAT'S A BIG BUILDING.
>> I WAS GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION THOUGH HOW IS THAT
BUILDING DESIGNED? >> NOBODY HAS DESIGNED ANYTHING.
THIS IS A PLACE HOLDER ON A MAP. >> IF IT'S DESIGNED APPROPRIATELY, YOU COULD MAKE MULTIPLE -- YOU COULD HAVE
MULTIPLE. >> THERE IS NO DESIGN.
THERE IS NO DESIGN. THERE IS NO AGREEMENT.
FIRST OF ALL PEOPLE HAVE THIS LEASE HERE HAVE TO BE ACCOMMODATED. THERE IS A CONCEPT IDEA OF HAVE
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SOMETHING HERE THAT IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND DOTHINGS LIKE SAFE HARBOR. >> IT'S A GREAT PLACE.
A PLACE THAT SELLS SEAFOOD, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO REPLACE WITH IT ANOTHER PLACE THAT SELLS SEAFOOD.
>> FUR GOING TO HAVE A SEAFOOD PLACE, ONE OF THE THINGS I REMEMBER ABOUT THIS ISLAND AND GOING DOWN TO THAT SECTION IT WAS ABILITY TO GET THE FRESH SEAFOOD RIGHT OFF THE BOATS S.
THAT STILL A POSSIBILITY? I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY ARE SETTING THIS UP. I SEE A WALKWAY S THAT A WALKWAY THAT GOES AROUND THE EXTERIOR ALONG THE WATERWAY?
>> YES. >> IS THAT A BOARD WALK?
>> IT IS A WALKWAY. AND ONLY REASON I I AM SAYING THAT IS I GO TO MAY PORT ALL THE TIME SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THE FISH IS FRESHER BECAUSE IT'S COMING RIGHT OFF THE BOAT.
>> I APPROACHED THE GUY AND HE WAS UP HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES.
I'LL BE UP FRONT ABOUT IT. THEY WERE GUNNING HO FOR A WHILE AND HE HAD OTHER THINGS HE WANTED TO DO.
I THINK THE CONCEPT I PROPOSED A WHILE AGO WAS THAT KIND OF SEAFOOD PLACE. THE IDEA FOR THIS GROUP IS TO COME UP WITH A CONCEPT WE HAVE SOMETHING HERE.
WHATEVER IT IS AND SIZE TO BE DETERMINED.
SOMETHING THERE THAT BRINGS IN AN AREA THAT DOES SOMETHING, IT ATTRACTS PEOPLE AND IT ALSO PRODUCES REVENUE.
AS TAXPAYERS YOU ARE SUBSIDIZING THIS BIG TIME AND IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE AS TIME GOES ON. DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS?
>> I THINK SO. DO YOU MIND HANGING OUT THOUGH?
>> NO. >> I BELIEVE IF THE CITY GOES OUT FOR A BID ON THIS, THEN THE CITY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT IN THERE AND HOW THEY WANT IT OPERATED.
OTHERWISE IF IT'S A PRIVATELY NEGOTIATED DEAL YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THE TYPES OF EVENTS THIS GO IN THERE.
AS A BUSINESS OWNER DOWNTOWN, MYSELF AND THE MAJORITY OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE PAYING BETWEEN 10 AND 20% OF OUR REVENUES IN RENT MONTHLY. AND THAT IS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE MAKE THE REVENUE THAT WE'RE PROJECTING TO MAKE. I WOULD URGE TO YOU STRONGLY CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THESE LEASE AGREEMENTS.
IF YOU ARE PUTTING OTHER BUSINESSES AT A DISSERVICE.
>> LET ME TALK ABOUT THIS. THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD THE BUILDING. THEY ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THE BUILDING. CITY IS NOT GOING TO PAY FOR THE BUILDING. THE CITY HAS ALREADY HAD PEOPLE -- HAD AN APPRAISER GO OUT AND COME ONE COMMERCIAL LEASE RATE. AND REMEMBER AGAIN PEOPLE ON THIS LEASE HAVE TO BE ACCOMMODATED.
THEY GET THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
BECAUSE THIS IS CITY OWNED PROPERTY, DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT TO A BID. YOU CAN NEGOTIATE ALL THOSE THINGS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
>> BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER PEOPLE -- OTHER THAN I UNDERSTAND HONORING THE LEASE THAT IS ALREADY THERE.
AS FAR AS GIVING THE OPPORTUNIT- >> I CAN TELL YOU THE LAST YEAR I'VE BEEN GOING OUT ASKING ALL KIND OF RESTAURANTS AND OTHER PEOPLE IF YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE WORD OUT YET YOU CAN COME IN AND SAY WHAT YOU WANT, IT'S THERE. SOMEBODY IS OUT THERE WHO WANTS TO COME IN AND BE PART OF THIS PROCESS, THE CITY I'M FAIRLY
CERTAIN WILLING TO LISTEN. >> WHAT ABOUT THE VENUE? HAS THERE BEEN OUTREACH FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF THE VENUE IS.
>> THAT VENUE CAME OUT OF ONE PERSON COMING FORWARD SAYING I'D LIKE TO DO A BUILDING AND AS PART OF THAT A VENUE F. SOMEBODY COMES ONE A BETTER IDEA HOW TO USE THAT SPACE.
>> JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A VENUE ABOVE A FISH MARKET, IS THAT NOT A CONFLICT -- THAT IS NOT WHAT IS
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BEING PROPOSED. IT'S BOAT RENTAL ON THE BOTTOMAND BOAT ACCESSORIES. >> TO BE HONEST I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. I THINK THAT IS FLUID.
>> IT'S CONCEPT PLANS. >> 99% OF THE PEOPLE SAY WE DON'T WANT A BUILDING THERE NO MATTER WHAT, WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT IS ONE THING. WE'RE WILLING TO LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO PUT SOMETHING INTERESTING THERE THAT WOULD GENERATE REVENUE FOR THE CITY WHICH WE DESPERATELY NEED.
THAT IS ANOTHER STORY. I THINK WE'RE AT THAT JUNCTURE WE WANT SOMETHING INTERESTING THERE.
THE PARAMETERS ARE X, Y AND Z AND GO FROM THERE.
>> THIS GOES MORE INTO THE DESIGN THAN WE WANT TODAY.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO PUT IN SOME KIND OF BUILDING, IT'S JUST GOING TO HAPPEN, FINING BUT I WOULD SAY TRY TO GET THERE TO BE A LARGE DECK SPACE OR SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN ACCESS WITHOUT NEEDING ACCESS INTO THE BUILDING SO THAT IT FEELS LIKE IT'S PART OF THE PARK THAT THE CITIZENS AND THE CITY CAN ACCESS SO IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THIS PARK THAT IS NOW OH BUT IS THERE A PRIVATE BUSINESS THAT IS TAKING UP A HUGE PART YOU CAN'T
ACCESS. >> WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS WE WOULD LIKE THIS AND THAT, ONE CAN BE AN OUTDOOR DECK WHICH IS
A COOL IDEA. >> SO PEOPLE CAN ENJOY THE SUNSET WITHOUT STRONG CHECK INTO THE EVENT SPACE.
>> EVENT SPACE HAS TAKEN A LIFE OF ITS OWN.
900 PEOPLE, VENUE FOR 800 PEOPLE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM.
>> I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
>> I WAS IN THE MEETING. IT WAS FROM THE GENTLEMAN WHO
HAS PROPOSED TO DO THE FACILITY. >> I THINK THAT NUMBER IS
AMBITIOUS. >> IT'S A LARGE SPACE.
>> WHAT WOULD BE HOLDING HIM TO IF HE WERE DEVELOPING IT AND BILLING THE BUILDING. HERE IS THE KIND OF FACILITY WE WANT. IF IT WORKS FOR HIM FINE.
FROM IS NOT MUCH REVENUE GENERATED FROM THAT TOURISM
THERE. >> THERE IS REVENUE GENERATED AND THAT GOES INTO MAKING YOUR OPERATING EXPENSES A LITTLE BIT.
>> IN THIS PARTICULAR CONCEPT, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS A BUILDING WITH AN EVENT SPACE IN IT AND COMMERCIAL SPACE.
>> CORRECT. >> AND A BAND SHELL WITH A LAWN
FOR SEATING. >> SOME KIND OF PERFORMANCE
THING AND AT THE TOP -- >> THAT WASN'T THE QUESTION.
IT'S QUITE FEASIBLE TO COMBINE THOSE TWO THINGS INTO ONE PAVILION THAT IS A EVENT SPACE WITH A LAWN NEXT TO IT SO THE EVENT SPACE IS FLEXIBLE, MULTIPURPOSE AND IT CAN HOST CONCERTS THAT PLAYS OUT TO THE LAWN OR OTHER KINDS OF EVENTS LIKE WEDDINGS, BIRTHDAY PARTIES. SO TO HAVE A BUILDING THAT IS BASICALLY THE SIZE OF THE GRASS BUILDING WHICH IS HUGE TWO, STORIES, ELEVATED. TREMENDOUS VIEW BLOCKER.
WHY NOT COMBINE THOSE TWO? >> THERE IS A PERFECTLY GOOD
COMMENT TO MAKE. >> I GUESS WHAT TROUBLES ME ABOUT THIS IS THAT WE HAVE FIVE VARIATIONS OF ONE CONCEPT.
WE HIRED A FIRM TO PROVIDE US WITH CONCEPTS.
>> WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. WHY DON'T INSTEAD OF WHAT WE DID IN THE PAST LET'S GO GUARD AND COME ONE SOME OTHER CONCEPTS.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS, COMBINING IT SOUND LIKE A
REASONABLE IDEA. >> I GUESS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROCESS HERE. AND MAYBE I SHOULDN'T BE TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THIS AT THIS STAGE ANY WAY.
WE HAVE SPENT MONEY TO HIRE A FIRM TO COME UP WITH ONE CONCEPT
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WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE SEVERAL CONCEPTS TO LOOK AT TO GIVE THECOMMISSION SHOWS. >> I CAN'T UNDO THE PAST.
HERE IS WHERE I AM ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO POINT OUT THAT THIS WHOLE ROAD , THIS ROAD IS GOING TO GET PUSHED THIS WAY AND SEVENTH STREET GOING TO GET PUSHED THIS WAY.
THEY ARE GOING TO PUT TWO GATES HERE, TWO GATES HERE.
THERE ARE A BUNCH OF RAILROAD GATES.
THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. THAT IS FDOT.
WE CAN TALK UNTIL WE'RE BLUE IN THE FACE.
FDOT IS GOING TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO.
THAT IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF PUSHING SOME OF THIS STUFF THIS WAY. COME UP WITH, IF YOU HAVE SOME
OTHER IDEAS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO --
>> THERE OTHER CONCEPTS. >> WILL OTHER CONCEPTS BE ALLOWED TO BE ENTERED INTO THIS PROCESS?
>> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. >> THERE WAS AN RFP.
THERE WAS AN RFP TO REACH THE POINT THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS COMPANY. I WILL SAY THAT THE CONCEPTS THAT THEY CAME UP WITH WERE BASED ON INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH COMMISSIONERS AND BASED ON INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH COMMISSIONERS AND ALSO THE STAKEHOLDERS.
SO IF YOU LOOK BACK THROUGH EVERYTHING THEY HAVE ON ALL OF THESE CONCEPTS REFLECTS ALL OF THE MAIN POINTS THAT EACH STAKE HOLDER MADE. SO WHEN YOU ARE INCLUDING ALL THESE CONCEPTS INTO ONE, THEY WERE TRYING TO INCLUDE ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS. THERE ARE OTHER CONCEPTS.
I JUST PUT IT HERE BECAUSE THE MEETING I WAS IN.
>> THIS IS A PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.
THIS IS A LONG SKINNY PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT A HUGE SPACE. THIS IS NOT A HUGE SPACE.
>> SO I WOULD SAY THAT AS A BOARD, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY WE HAVE QUESTIONS AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME DIFFERENT CONCEPTS WITH THE BUILDING AND WITH THE OUTDOOR PERFORMANCE SPACES, IS
THAT SAFE TO SAY? >> SUCH AS THE BAND SHELL TURNED THE OTHER WAY. AND POSSIBLY A SMALLER EVENT COMMERCIAL SPACE WITH A PUBLIC AREA FOR A DECK.
>> OR THE FEASIBILITY OF COMBINING.
>> I HAVE THREE PAGES OF STUFF. WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET TO THIS. I WANT TO GET THIS IN THE PUBLIC
RECORD. >> DESIGN HAS TO DO WITH PARKING. IT HAS 20 DO WITH EVERY SECTION
OF THE WATER FRONT. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT PARKING.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT OUR PROCESS ON REVIEWING THOSE.
BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY HAVE VALID DESIGN CONCEPTS IN THERE.
HOW DOES DEAL WANT TO US PRESENT.
WE USUALLY MAKE A MOTION ON WHAT WE WANT.
WE CAN'T MAKE 27 MOTIONS ABOUT ALL OF THIS.
WHAT IS OUR PROCESS I GUESS SH. >> TODAY THAT IS NOT WHY WE'RE HERE. THIS IS NOWHERE NEAR THE FIRST TIME ANYBODY IS GOING TO SEE THIS AND IT HASN'T -- IT REALLY HASN'T BEEN BEFORE THE PUBLIC YET.
OTHER THAN IN MEETINGS THAT ARE NOTICED THAT THE PUBLIC CAN COME TO. SO THE IDEA IS TO GET THE FEEDBACK ON THE ELEMENT SOS WE CAN BEGIN TO DISCUSS THE DESIGN.
BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THEY'VE PUT IN EVERY ELEMENT THAT EVERYONE SAID WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM AND NOW JUST WANT THE FEEDBACK ON THOSE SPECIFIC ELEMENTS. SO THAT WE DON'T -- BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH TO DISCUSS. SO THAT WE DON'T JUST -- IT'S BEEN 40 YEARS THIS TOWN HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AND NOT GETTING ANYWHERE. THEY ASKED ME WHAT THE WORST THING THEY COULD DO IN PLANNING THIS PARK WOULD BE AND I SAID
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NOTHING. BECAUSE I JUST THINK THAT IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN THROUGH HAD PROCESS SO MANYTIMES. >> AND THE BEST THING THEY COULD DO WITH THIS IS TO DO THE SHORELINE FOR THE FLOOD CONTROL, MAKE IT ONE JOINT OPEN SPACE GREEN SPACE AND THEN PUT THINGS IN AS YOU GO. IF YOU CAN'T AGREE ON ANYTHING, AT LEAST GET THE GREEN SPACE DONE.
AT LEAST GIVE PEOPLE A PLACE TO GO THAT IS REASONABLE WHERE YOU COULD SIT DOWN AND WATCH THE SUN GO DOWN.
>> SO PARKING. LET'S TALK ABOUT PARKING.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS NO NET LOSS PARKING.
THEY HAVE JUST REORIENTED IT. WIDENED FRONT STREET AND PUT IT ALONG FRONT STREET ALL THE WAY DOWN.
AND I DO BELIEVE THERE MAY BE JUST IT'S VERY CLOSE.
IT'S NO NET LOSS THERE MIGHT BE A COUPLE MORE PARKING SPOTS.
>> I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT ONE PLACE.
WHEN YOU GO SOUTH AS YOU COME TO ASH AND YOU TAKE A LEFT AND GO SOUTH , THE LAST FEW PARKING PLACES SEEM TO APPEAR TO BE BOAT PARKING. I CAN TELL FROM YOU DRAGGING A BOAT FOR MANY YEARS THERE IS NO WAY ONCE YOU GET IN THERE YOU CAN'T GET IT BACKED OUT. ONCE YOU GO DOWN THE STREET THERE IS NO PLACE TO TURN AROUND AND COME BACK.
THERE IS NO TURN AROUND. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO TURN AROUND AND COME BACK AND PARKING SPACES ON THE
OTHER SIDE. >> SO THIS IS STILL ONLY ACTIVE
>> THAT IS A VERY GOOD POINT. >> TO FIX THAT PROBLEM IT'S GOING TO EAT UP A LOT OF CAR PARKING SPACES.
>> THERE IS NO PLACE TO TURN AROUND.
>> JUST TO GET INTO THE WEEDS HERE, THERE ARE NO TOUR BUS OR
TROLLY DROPOFF AND LOADING. >> THAT IS ON CENTER STREET AND IT'S NOW A DEDICATED AREA THAT WOULD BE SAFER FOR CROSSING.
>> ON CENTER STREET? >> BRYANT I'M SORRY.
>> YOU DON'T WANT THE TROLLY OR TOUR BUSES TO STOP THERE FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME. THERE NEEDS TO BE A DROP OFF OR DEDICATED TO TOUR BUSES AND TROLLY.
THE TRAFFIC IS A TURN AROUND AND PEOPLE USE THAT ALL THE TIME TO LOOP AROUND AND GO BACK UP CENTER STREET.
YOU CAN'T STOP A TOUR BUS THERE BECAUSE YOU'LL BLOCK IT.
>> YOU NEED HAVE TOUR BUS AND TROLLY PARKING FRONT STREET IN THIS PLAN GOES ACROSS THE TOP OF THE FUEL INLET VALVES OF THE UNDER GROUND FUEL TANKS AT THE MARINA.
THERE ARE NO ADA PARKING SPACES SHOWN THERE WHICH WHEN YOU START TO ADD THOSE, THOSE TAKE AWAY REGULAR PARKING SPACES BECAUSE THEY ARE BIGGER AND TAKE UP EXTRA SPACE.
>> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EXPENSIVE TO MOVE UTILITIES ALONG FRONT STREET THAT SHOULD BE INCORPORATED BUT AREN'T.
>> CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? I MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER THIS MORNING. WHAT I THINK HE'S LOOKING FOR IS NOT ALL THESE THINGS ARE VERY VALID.
BUT WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR IS WITH PARKING DO, YOU WANT MORE PARKING, NO PARKING OR NEUTRAL PARKING, THAT BROAD CONCEPT BECAUSE THEN YOU WORK TO GET THE DETAILS OF ALL OF THIS STUFF.
WITH THE EVENT SPACE, DO YOU WANT NO BUILDING THERE OR A BUILDING THERE THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE X, Y AND Z.
DO YOU WANT NO BATON PORTS OR BATON PORT IS A GOOD THING? DO YOU WANT AN EVENT SPACE OR NO EVENT SPACE? SHOULD THERE BE A MUSIC PLACE? IT'S THE BROAD GENERAL CONCEPTS, NOT GETTING INTO THE WEEDS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CITY
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MANAGER IS LOOKING FOR. AND CERTAINLY THAT'S WHAT I'MLOOKING FOR. >> I'D LIKE TO WRAP UP THIS DISCUSSION. DO WE SUPPORT EVENT SPACE?
>> SHOULD WE GO THROUGH THESE FOUR AND SAY WE ARE IN FAVOR OF BROAD CONCEPTS, DESIGN DEPENDANT WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS CONCEPT?
>> THE OUTDOOR EVENT SPACE -- >> I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M COMFORT TO BELIEVE VOTE ON ANYTHING TODAY.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND SEE SOMETHING.
>> WHY DON'T WE EACH WRITE-UP OUR COMMENTS, OUR FEEDBACK.
SEND IT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THAT'S OUR RESPONSE.
>> I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
THERE ARE SO MANY QUESTIONS. >> BECAUSE THERE ARE TO ZO MANY
QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. >> WE HAVE TWO REQUESTS TO SPEAK IN REGARDS TO THE MARINA. DO YOU WANT TO GO SECOND SO YOU CAN STAY UP FOR YOUR PRESENTATION?
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND IT'S RELATED TO THE MARINA.
>> STEVE COOK, 2329 BRIDGE AVENUE IN THE CITY.
JUST LOOKING AT THIS, I KNOW THIS IS A COMPLEX J I UNDERSTAND THAT. JUST A COUPLE OF BASIC PLANNING IDEAS. AND I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THE FACT THAT YOU NEED AS A TAX PAY TORE START PAYING THIS THING DOWN. AND YOU NEED SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL ENTITY IN THERE. AS A PRACTICAL MALTER, THE CITY JUST PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS GROUND FLOOR HAS GOT TO BE NINE FEET. YOU HAVE -- YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A STRUCTURE HERE THAT STARTS AT NINE FEET AND YOU GIVE IT ANOTHER TEN OR 12 FEET PER STORY, YOU ARE 30 FEET UP IN THE. A YOU ARE BLOCKING THE VIEW AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT. HERE IS JUST A THOUGHT.
YOU DON'T WANT TO BLOCK THAT VIEW.
HOW ABOUT MOVING THAT DOWN TO HERE AND BEING A LITTLE IMAGINATIVE LIKE CHIP SAID. THERE IS SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO GET OVER THE WATER FRONT DOWN THERE, BRING YOUR COMMERCIAL BUILDING DOWN HERE AND LEAVE THIS OPEN AREA HERE.
TWO OTHER THOUGHTS THAT HIT ME WHEN YOU WERE TALKING IS I THINK FAITH IS RIGHT ABOUT THE BOATS. COULD YOU NOT TAKE THE BOATS AND PARK OFF SITE WITH YOUR BOATS. DO WE HAVE CAPABILITY, A PARKING LOT HERE. MAYBE HE COMES HERE AND DOES A CIRCLE HERE INSTEAD OF HERE. AS FAR AS THE TOUR BUSES GO, ARE THE TOUR BUSES BRINGING SOMEBODY DOWN TO THE WATER NECESSARILY? NOT NECESARILY, THEY ARE BRINGING THEM DOWNTOWN.
THE TOUR BUSES DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DROP OFF RIGHT HERE.
SO JUST SOME THOUGHTS THAT I HAD THAT YOU MIGHT ENTERTAIN AS FAR AS DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER.
>> I JUST WANT TO CLEAR UP A MISS CON SEMS MR. COOK CAN DISAGREE WITH ME. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NINE FEET.
THAT IS 7 FEET. SO THE BUILDING WOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME HEIGHT IF YOU GO DOWN AND LOOK AT THE NEC TO THE BATHROOMS. THE WELCOME CENTER.
THAT'S THE KIND OF HEIGHT. THAT'S WHERE THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THERE. IT'S NOT NINE FEET ABOVE THE GROUND. IT'S TWO FEET ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION. AND THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION THERE IS APPROXIMATELY RIGHT THERE IS ABOUT 7 FEET.
SO IT WOULD BE TWO MORE FEET AND THEN TWO MORE FEET SO FOUR FEET
ABOVE THE GROUND. >> AND THE SECOND THING THAT I'LL CLARIFY IS IN ORDER TO DO IMMINENT DOMAIN WE ARE CLAIMING THAT THIS IS A PARK THAT WE NEED THIS PARCEL FOR CONTINUOUS PARK.
SO THAT IF WE PLACE ANY TYPE OF STRUCTURE ON IT THERE, GOES OUR CLAIM ON IMMINENT DOMAIN. SO IT'S A PARK.
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>> I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF AMELIA TREE CONSERVE SI.
I THINK A BIG ISSUE -- LET ME SAY SOMETHING ELSE FIRST.THIS SL OK. BECAUSE THAT WILL DRIVE BUSINESS FOR THE MARINA. THAT WILL DRIVE BUSINESS FOR THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. PLUS WE'LL ALL GET A GREAT DEAL OF PLEASURE FROM IT. I'M ALSO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS LITTLE HARD SURFACE AS POSSIBLE AND SO IN TERMS OF THIS SPACE, IF THAT BUILDING COULD BE SMALLER, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PARKING AS CHIP IS SAYING THIS WILL PROBABLY EAT INTO SOME OF THE GREEN SPACE WE HAVE SO I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
IS IT FEASIBLE TO HAVE PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET AS
OPPOSED TO BOTH? >> I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE DIFFERENT PLANS OUT THERE THAT YOU CAN COME ONE A NET NEUTRAL PARKING THAT ACCOMMODATES ALL THE THINGS YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT.
THAT IS NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL.
>> TWO RELATED CONCERNS I WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF AS MANY WALKWAYS AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE HAVE OPEN GREEN SPACE AND MAXIMIZE THAT. I'M A BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE DESIGN HERE. I DON'T THINK THESE LINES -- I'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE NATURAL CLUSTERS OF TREES.
>> ARE WE EXPECTING THE TOP TO GENERATE REV.
>> YOU CAN ARGUE WHETHER IT SHOULD BE THERE OR NOT.
FOR THE TOP TOURNAMENT THEY HAVE ONCE A YEAR, IF YOU TAKE ALL THIS AND HAVE THAT, IF YOU TAKE ALL OF THIS AND MAKE ALL OF THIS INTO ASPHALT, THAT TOURNAMENT IS GONE.
YOU NEED GRAVEL PARKING LOT. IF YOU LEAVE THIS AS GRAVEL PARKING LOT AND DO OTHER THINGS YOU CAN PRESERVE THAT URN TO.
THAT TOURNAMENT BRINGS IN SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS TO THE
CITY EVERY YEAR. >> THANK YOU SIR.
>> I'M PASSING THE GAVEL OVER. I HAVE TO RUN.
THANK YOU. >> WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND
TAKE IT. >> WE HAVE A PRESENTATION.
LET'S MOVE ON THE THAT. WE'LL JUST DO OUR OWN WRITEUPS.
WHEN WE DO OUR COMMENTS, HOW IS THAT BEST TO GET CIRCULATED?
DO YOU WANT THAT SENT TO YOU? >> JUST COME THROUGH ME AND I'LL
MAKE SURE HE GETS THEM. >> CAN WE ALSO SEND ALL OF THE COMMENTS WE ALL MAKE, CAN YOU SEND THEM TO ALL OF US?
>> I CAN SEND YOU THE MINUTES. THE MINUTES DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING YOU SAID BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS WATCH IT.
>> YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SEND OUT THE ACTUAL COMMENTS THAT
PEOPLE WRITE? >> I CAN SEND YOU THE MINUTES
THAT WE HAVE. >> THAT WAS NOT MY QUESTION.
ARE AWE LOUD TO SEND OUT IF I WRITE-UP COMMENTS THAT I WANT EVERYBODY ELSE TO SEE YOU SEND THEM?
>> I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU WERE SAYING.
>> YOU SEND IT TO ME I CAN DISTRIBUTE IT.
BUT YOU CAN ONLY RESPOND BACK TO ME.
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>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
>> THAT WAY YOU ARE MORE PREPARED WHEN YOU GET IN THE MEETING. I DON'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT
VOTING HIS. >> TO HAVE EVERYBODY'S EXPERTISE
HERE AND THERE. >> SEND IT TO ME AND I CAN
DISTRIBUTE IT ON. >> IF YOU WANT TO DISTRIBUTE INFORMATION TO OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS, SHE IS YOUR FOCAL POINT. THEN SHE DISTRIBUTES IT TO EVERYBODY. YOU ARE NOT IN VIOLATION OF THE
SUNSHINE LAW. >> ARE WE GOD GOODE TO MOVE ON
TO MR. COOK'S PRESENTATION. >> YES.
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>> YOU HAVE A FAIRLY COMPLETE PACKET THERE.
OBVIOUSLY I'M A DOG LOVER AND OWN A DOG.
BASICALLY THEY ARE SELF-REGULATED.
CITIZENS HAVE TO ADD TO THAT AND HELP REGULATE AND KEEP PEOPLE THIS LINE. AND I JUST DID PROBABLY 10-15 DIFFERENT DOG PARKS IN THE ORLANDO AREA.
AND TALKED TO PEOPLE HERE. AND SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF PINNED UP DEMAND FOR A DOG PARK, OFF LEASH DOG PARK.
I PUT SOME PETITIONS OUT. SO FAR I HAVE 35 PEOPLE THAT HAVE VOLUNTEERED THAT WANT TO BE PART OF A DOG PARK AND CONTRIBUTE TIME. THERE IS OVER 150 PEOPLE SIGNED THE PETITION. THERE IS NO PLACE ON THE ISLAND THAT HAS OFFLINE. THEY ARE A NON-KILL HUMANE SOCIETY. THEY HAVE A NICE PARK DOWN THERE. IT'S A PAY FOR DOG PARK.
IT HAS WATER FEATURES. WEIRD NOT ANTICIPATING WE GO TO THAT EXTREME WHERE WE NEED TO DO ALL OF THAT STUFF.
BASICALLY I SAID WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DOG PARK, WE NEED TO TALK TO PARKS AND RECREATION.
I FOUND OUT THE CITY DOES HAVE A PARCEL OF LAND AVAILABLE THAT IS ZONED THAT MEETS CRITERIA SAND THE LARGE ENOUGH.
I WENT AND TALKED TO TOMMIE BECAUSE THERE IS A COUPLE OF ROADWAYS GOING THROUGH THERE. AND FIND OUT THAT THE CITY OWNS THAT PROPERTY. THERE NO EASEMENT OR RIGHT TO GO
THROUGH THERE. >> THAT IS NOT TRUE.
THERE IS AN EASEMENT. >> AS FAR AS WHAT TAMMI TOLD ME
SHE SAID THERE WAS NOT. >> SHE CHANGED HER MIND THIS MORNING. I DID SEVERAL LAYOUTS AND I SAID WE DON'T WANT TO MESS THAT ONE UP.
THE LAYOUT YOU HAVE PARKED OFF THIS EASEMENT.
THE ONLY PROBLEM REALLY HE BRINGS IN SOME BIG TRUCKS THAT GO THROUGH THE DIRT PATH PERIODICALLY.
HE CAN COME IN OFF OF THAT PAVED AREA TO BRING HIS EQUIPMENT IN.
SO I DID TOUCH BASE WITH HIM ON THAT.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. WE WON'T HAVE TO AFFECT THE TREES IN ANY WAY. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY VARIANCES TO USE THE PARK. I SAID OK FINE.
I'LL DIE LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE STANDARDS FOR DOG PARKS. AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE AS FAR AS A LAYOUT GOES. YOU SEPARATE YOUR BIG DOGS AND LITTLE DOGS. YOU WANT PARK AGO JANE TO THAT AREA. BASICALLY PARKING CRITERIA WE
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MEET. BASICALLY DOG PARK WOULD BE IN CONFORM TONS ACCEPTED STANDARDS TO DOG PARKS ALL OVER THE COUNTRIES, AKC AND SOME OF THE OTHERS.WE'D HAVE WEIGH STATIONS AND TRASH AND WATERING STATIONS I.
TALKED TO THE CITY. THEY CAN PUT WATER TO IT.
IT'S ABOUT $2,000 TAP IN FEE TO GET WATER TO IT.
THE ANTICIPATION IS AND I TALKED TO PEOPLE AT PARKS AND RECREATION, GOING TO BE A DAYTIME PARK, NOT AN EVENING PARK. SHE SAID BASICALLY THE PARKS AND RECREATION CAN TAKE CARE OF A COUPLE OF THINGS SUCH AS GETTING RID OF THE WASTE FROM THE DOGGY BAGS AND OPENING AND CLOSING SO YOU DON'T GET DERELICT PEOPLE GOING IN THERE AT NIGHT WHICH IS GOOD. WE'D HAVE A VOLUNTEER COMMITTEE TO MAINTAIN GROUNDS. THE DOGS ARE GOING TO RUN AROUND. THEY WILL ESTABLISH SOME SORT OF PATTERN THERE, WE CAN HANDLE THAT AT A LATER DATE.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE LIKE A CITY PRIVATE GOVERNMENT PARTNERSHIP.
I HAVE TAKEN IT UPON MYSELF TO TRY AND GET PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THE CITY. OCTAVIA OVER AT HOT PAWS SAID HE'LL BE ON THE BOARD. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF VETERINARIANS THAT SAID THEY WOULD BE ON THE BOARD.
WE HAVE A STARTUP BOARD TO GET THESE THINGS GOING.
I PUT TOGETHER A BUDGET AND YOU ARE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE AROUND $42,000 TO GET EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED FOR THE PARK.
BASICALLY WE'RE GOING TO USE BIO DEGRADABLE DOG WASTE BAGS.
WE ARE GOING TO BE GOOD CITIZENS IF WE WORK REAL HARD AT IT WE CAN GET SOME PRIVATE DONATIONS. I HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO SAID HE WOULD DONATE SOME MONEY IF WE GET APPROVED BY THE CITY.
EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE REALLY IN FAVOR OF IT.
NOW LET ME ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THAT I CAN HELP YOU ON OR ADD SOMETHING TO IT.
>> ARE THERE ANY BREED RESTRICTIONS OR ANY TYPE OF RESTRICTION TONS TYPE OF DOGS THAT ARE BROUGHT THERE?
>> I THINK IN YOUR PACKET I ANALYZED ALL THE DOG REGULATIONS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. AND SAT DOWN WITH NAN AND HER GROUP AND CAME ONE A LIST OF REGULATIONS THAT I THINK SHOULD BE ON THE SIGN AND SHOULD BE THERE.
SUBJECT TO CHANGE OF COURSE. THIS IS BASICALLY THIS IS FIRST ROUND THROUGH THERE. I WAS TRYING TO COVER ALL THE DIFFERENT BASES. WE WANT SOME THERE.
WE'D HAVE TO SPONSOR SIGNAGE FOR PEOPLE HELPING OUT.
DR. JANUARY SAID YOU NEED TO SEND HER A BILL ON HER DOGGY BAGS. SHE HAS NOT GOT A BILL YET.
SHE APPARENTLY CONTRIBUTES THAT FOR YOUR PARKS.
>> SHE WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO START IT SO WE JUST FILL THEM UP.
>> ANY OTHER? >> ON YOUR FACT SHEET, A FEW THINGS JUMPED OUT AT ME ON THIS. THE FIRST IS THAT DOESN'T THIS TAKE REVENUE FROM THE HUMANE SOCIETY? WHY WOULDN'T GUY TO THE HUMANE SOCIETY IF YOU CAN GO TO A FREE
PARK IS THIS. >> GOOD QUESTION.
SOMEBODY ELSE ASKED ME THAT. THEY SAID YOU ARE GOING THE BANKRUPT THE HUMANE SOCIETY. I SAID I DON'T THINK I WILL BUT I'LL CHECK WITH THEM. THEY HAVE BUDGET $800,000.
THEY HAVE APPROXIMATELY $600,000 IN DONATIONS THAT THEY GET FROM VARIOUS ENTITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND ALL AROUND.
THEY CO-A REALLY GOOD JOB OF WORKING THAT.
THEY MAKE ABOUT $200,000 ON THEIR STORE.
SO THEIR FUNCTION IS BASICALLY AS A HUGH MANE SOCIETY NOT AS A DOG PARK. IT'S A SMALL PORTION OF THEIR TOTAL MISSION IS THEIR DOG PARK THERE.
AND IT BASICALLY I THINK IT'S FAIR TO HAVE THE CITY PEOPLE BE ABLE TO GO TO A DOG PARK SINCE THEY PAY THE CITY FEES AND TACKS TO GO TO A DOG PARK WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY ANY MONEY.
>> THE DIFFERENCE I NOTICED IS AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY CHILDREN
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ARE NOT ALLOWED AT ALL EVEN WITH ADULTS.WE HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS.
>> THEY HAVE THREE PAGES OF RESTRICTIONS BEFORE YOU EVEN GET IN THE DOOR. THAT'S FINE.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. THEY RUN A GREAT SHIP.
THEY HAVE A GREAT ORGANIZATION. THIS IS NOT IN CONFLICT WITH THEM. SAME AS NOT IN CONFLICT WITH DOG DAYCARES. THIS IS FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO TAKE THEIR DOG AND EXERCISE THEM OFF LEASH AND HAVE A SAFE PLACE.
EVERYTHING ELSE HAS TO BE ON LEASH.
WE NEED AREAS LIKE THAT. I'VE HEARD THAT FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE. IT'S TEN DOLLARS A DAY TO WALK YOUR DOG THERE. YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER
QUESTIONS? >> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT POP OUT TO ME THAT HAVE TO DO WITH SORT OF ENFORCE.
IN YOUR GOAL IS TO ESTABLISH AN OFF LEASH DOG PARK FOR WELL BEHAVED CANINE CITIZENS ARE K EXERCISE IN A CLEAN SAFE PARK.
HOW DO YOU GUARANTEE THEY ARE GOING TO BE WELL BEHAVED?
>> YOU DON'T. HERE IS THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. IS THE BASE THIS HAS TO BE A PARK WHERE THE PEOPLE THAT ENJOY THE PARK, ENJOY THE FACT THEY HAVE A CITY OPERATED PARK GO AHEAD AND THEY BASICALLY ENFORCE PEOPLE IN THERE. I'VE BEEN IN DOG PARKS WHERE SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH AN AGGRESSIVE DOG.
HE STARTS BARKING AND JUMPING THE OTHER DOGS, MEETLY OTHER OWNERS SIT THERE AND SAY IF YOUR DOG CAN'T BEHAVE, YOU NEED TO LEAVE. YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE THAT DOG HERE. THE PEOPLE IN THE PARK WILL
ENFORCE THAT SORT OF THING. >> IS THERE GOING TO BE SOMEBODY AT THIS PARK THE ENTIRE TIME IT'S THAT OPEN?
>> NO. SO THERE WON'T NECESSARILY BE
ENFORCEMENT. >> IF THERE IS NOBODY THERE WHAT
DO THEY HAVE TO ENFORCE? >> I MEAN IN OTHER WORDS SOMEONE FROM YOUR ORGANIZATION, WILL THAT PERSON -- WILL THERE BE SOMEONE THERE DURING THE HOURS OF OPERATION TO ENFORCE THE RULES AND TO MAKE SURE THAT DOGS BEHAVE AND ALL THOSE KIND OF
THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION. IF YOU WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE, THEN YOU HAVE A PAID DOG PARK AND YOU HAVE PAID PEOPLE THERE THAT GUARD THE GATE. THAT CHARGE FEES ETC.
YOU GOT A VALID POINT ADD I UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT IS BAD, WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE?
>> I TALKED TO TAMMI ABOUT THAT SHE'S NOT A FAN OF THE DOG PARK I DON'T THINK BUT SHE TOLD ME THERE IS NOT A LIABILITY PROBLEM WITH THE DOG PARK. I ASKED THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION.
DO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING SPECIFIC FOR LIABILITY PURPOSES AND SHE SAID NO. THAT'S YOUR CITY ATTORNEY.
>> AND THE INEVITABLE QUESTION WHO IS GOING TO CLEAN UP THE
POOP? >> THE PEOPLE SCOOP THE POOP.
SAME THING AS WHEN SOMEBODY HAS A BAD DOG.
YOU GOT A DOG AND HE'S IN THE CORNER.
SOMEBODY SAYS EXCUSE ME, YOUR DOG IS OVER THERE, GO CLEAN UP THAT. THAT'S WHERE THE VOLUNTEERS COME IN. I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT EVERY DAY WE WOULD HAVE SOME VOLUNTEERS THERE THAT WOULD HELP IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T CLEAN UP THE POOP THAT WE GET IT CLEANED UP.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO WALK AROUND A DOG PARK IN POOP.
THEY WILL GET A BAG AND PICK IT UP THEMSELVES.
>> IT MENTIONS THE DOGS MUST BE PROPERLY LICENSED.
HOW DO YOU ENSURE THEY ARE KNOCK LATED.
>> THEY HAVE TAGS ON THERE. IF SOMEBODY HAS A DOG RUNNING AROUND WITHOUT TAGS ON IT, YOU SAY HAVE YOU BEEN VACCINATED? DO YOU HAVE YOUR CITY LICENSE? RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS DO SOME OF
THIS THEMSELVES. >> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ENFORCEMENT AND ACCOUNTABILITY WITH THIS
KIND OF FACILITY. >> THERE ARE AND YOU HAVE FACILITIES LIKE THAT ALL OVER FLORIDA THAT ARE SELF-ENFORCING
THAT SEEM TO GET ALONG AND WORK. >> IF THE SELF-POLICING DOESN'T WORK, WHO THEN PICKS UP THE PIECES? IS AT THIS TIME PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT?
>> HOPEFULLY WE HAVE AN ONGOING GROUP OF PEOPLE AND AN ONGOING BOARD. THIS IS PART OF THE THING I'M PUSHING TO BE RESPONSIBLE SO IF NAN CALLS UP AND SAYS STEVE
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WE'VE GOT COMPLAINTS BECAUSE OF THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER, THOSE PEOPLE GO TAKE CARE OF THAT SITUATION.I THINK PEOPLE -- IT'S LIKE KID, PARENTS HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THEIR KIDS. PEOPLE HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR
THEIR DOGS. >> FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I'M JUST LOOKING, FROM WHAT YOU ARE PLANNING ON DOING AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE LAND. IT'S BASICALLY JUST A FENCE AND SOME WEAR AREAS. WORSE CASE SCENARIO, SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS INTO THIS IT'S A DISASTER FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU HAVEN'T REALLY CHANGED THAT LAND THAT MUCH.
IF YOU NEED TO SAY WE TRIED OUR HAND AT THE DOG PARK.
WE HAD ISSUE AFTER ISSUE, WE'RE DONE.
JUST HAVE A FENCED IN LOT. NO HARM NO FOUL.
>> EXTRA PARKING YOU COULD USE FOR THE PARK.
YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. IF IT GETS BAD SHUT IT DOWN.
>> A QUESTION. HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH ANY OF THE
NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET? >> I HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH THE NEIGHBORS. I WANTED TO GET PAST THIS STEP TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS WERE HAPPY WITH THE PLAN AND SAY OK IT'S GOING TO GO AND THEN WE'VE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORS.
YOU HAVE A STREET THERE -- >> HERE IS MY CONCERN.
YOU HAVE THIS SPACE AND IT WILL BE GOOD ALL RIGHT.
BUT YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT GONE OR HAVE GONE TO THE HUMANE SOCIETY. THIS IS GOING TO BE A POPULAR DOG PARK. YOU MAY END UP WITH A LOT OF DOGS. IS THERE ANY LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF DOGS YOU ARE GOING TO ALLOW IN THERE AND IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF NOISE? I HAVE A SOFT SPOT IN MY HEART FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE BEHIND HOT PAWS. IVORIEDEN MY BIKE BACK THERE.
I COULDN'T LIVE THERE. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A NOISE ISSUE AND I'M ALSO VERY CONCERNED THAT THIS PARK IS GOING TO BE OVERWHELMED.
>> LET ME GO BACKWARDS. IF WE GET A SITUATION WHICH I'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GO IN THERE. WE HAVE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
WE'D SAY WE CAN ONLY HANDLE 30 DOGS OR 40 DOGS AT ONE TIME.
AND YOU BASICALLY SIT THERE AND YOU CAN'T GO IN THERE.
IT HAS TO BE SELF-POLICING. AS FAR AS ACROSS THE STREET TWO OF THOSE NEIGHBORS HAVE DOGS. I INTEND TO TALK TO THEM.
BUT I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A SITUATION LIKE YOU ARE TALK ABOUT WHERE THEY ARE IN A YOU PROBABLY HAVE MAYBE 30 DOGS IN A 40 BY 40 AREA WITH NOWHERE REALLY TO RUN.
WE'VE GOT AN ACRE. THEY JUST RUN ALL OVER THE PLACE. I'M NOT CRITICIZING THAT BUT THEY ARE ALL COOPED UP RIGHT THERE WITH NOTHING TO DO EXCEPT
BARK AT EACH OTHER. >> MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION TO ASK THE HUMANE SOCIETY AND NEIGHBORS AND SAY WHAT IS YOUR NORMAL NOISE LEVEL HERISM DON'T LIVE RIGHT NEXT IT TO BUT I LIVE IN SIMMONS COVE. I CAN HEAR DOGS AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY ONCE ANYWAY WHILE. BUT IT'S FEW AND FAR BETWEEN.
THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD GO ASK THEM.
THAT'S THE CLOSEST PARAMETER. >> THEY ARE ADJACENT TO.
>> THEY MIGHT BE GOOD PEOPLE TO ASK WHAT IS YOUR NOISE LEVEL
LIKE. >> IF DO YOU THIS, IS THERE ANY INTEREST IN MAKING IT A MEMBERSHIP INITIALLY? THEY HAVE TO GIVE YOU THE SHOT RECORD.
THEY HAVE TO GET A TAG? >> THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
>> I WOULD HEAVILY ENCOURAGE THAT.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO DOB THE PEOPLE OF FERNANDINA BEACH THAT IS GOING TO USE THAT. YOU ARE GOING TO GET PEOPLE FROM EVERY HOTEL IN THE AREA USING THAT DOG PARK.
I WOULD BE EXTREMELY PICKY ABOUT WHICH ANIMALS YOU ALLOW IN THERE. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
>> THAT'S MY CONCERN. I THINK THE HUMANE SOCIETY HAS THOSE RULES FOR A REASON. IT'S ESSENTIALLY LIMIT THE
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LIABILITY PARTICULARLY WHERE CHILDREN ARE CONCERNED.THIS BEING SUCH A HEAVILY TOURIST AREA ACTION I'VE HAD THE SITUATION WHERE I'VE GOTTEN INTO A SERIOUS ALTERCATION WITH PEOPLE AND DOGS ON THE BEACH LETTING THEIR DOGS RUN FREE.
THEY SAY -- >> IF YOU HAD AN OFF LEASH PARK
YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME VISIT HERE THAT THINK THEY UNDERSTAND THEIR DOGS AND YOU PUT A DOG IN AN ENVIRONMENT THEY ARE NOT USED TO, PARTICULARLY WITH KIDS.
MY BROTHER GOT HIS LIP BIT OFF BY ADOBER MAN.
>> AND YOU DON'T HAVE A DOG RIGHT?
>> I HAVE TWO. >> ONE WAY YOU CAN HANDLE YOUR CONCERN AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT IS THE CITY HAS A MEMBERSHIP CARD FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.
YOU COULD DO A CARD READER. IT'S GOING TO COST A FEW MORE BUCKS AND I DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN THE BUDGET.
YOU COULD DO A CARD READER WITH A LATCH AND THAT TAKES ELECTRICITY WHICH TAKES A METER. ALL OF THAT SORT OF STUFF.
MY THOUGHTS ON THIS WERE LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES AN LET'S GET IT IN. IF WE FIND OUT TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING IN OR NOT BEING WELL BEHAVED.
THEN WE HAVE THE MEANS TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
>> I WONDER LONG THOSE LINES IS SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH THE TENNIS COURTS. IT'S $5 TO GET THE KEY OF THE TENNIS COURT BUT YOU HAVE TO SHOW YOUR CITY I. D.
PROVE YOU ARE A RESIDENT. IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG.
IT'S AN EASY PROCESS. YOU COULD DO THE SAME IDEA.
PUT A LOCK AND KEY ON THERE. YOU GO REGISTER YOUR DOG, FILL OUT A FORM AND SAY HERE IS THE LICENSE NUMBER AND BREED AND ALL OF THAT JAZZ AND VACCINATIONS. LEAVE IT THERE AT THE REC CENTER. GET YOUR KEY AND THEN AT LEAST YOU HAVE A RECORD AND IT DOESN'T IT'S A PADLOCK.
IF IT'S A $5 FEE FOR KNOW GET MY KEY FOR THE YEAR AS A CITY RESIDENT THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. OR IF IT'S $10 FOR OUT OF CITY RESIDENTS. MAYBE THAT PROVIDES YOU WITH
CLEANUP FUND OR SOMETHING. >> YOU CAN ALSO HAVE COMBINATION
LOCK OR SOMETHING. >> CHANGE IT ONCE A WEEK LIKE ON YOUR HOUSE. YOU CHANGE THAT COMBINATION.
YOU CAN CHANGE IT ONCE A WEEK. I'M OPEN IT TO.
>> I'M VERY CONCERNED. IT ONLY TAKES VERY FEW ACTORS TO MAKE IT AN UNTENABLE SITUATION. YOU HAVE SOMEONE'S CHILDREN GO IN THERE. NO ONE IS WATCHING AND SOMEONE BRINGS A DOG IN AND WE HAVE A SERIOUS ACCIDENT.
NO ONE WANTS THAT TO HAPPEN. SO IF YOU HAVE A SITUATION WITH WHERE THE DOGS ARE VETTED BEFORE THEY ARE ALLOWED IN AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE WILD CARD OF SOMEONE FROM OUT OF TOWN OR WHOEVER COMES IN, I THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH TRANSFERABLE TO HAVE AN OPEN GATE WHERE PEOPLE COME IN AND LET THEIR DOGS LOOSE. I THINK WE'RE REALLY ASKING FOR A PROBLEM THAT WE REALLY DON'T NEED.
>> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET THE BOARD'S INTENTION AND CITY'S INTENTION SAY IT'S OK, DO THAT MEMBERSHIP THING. THAT'S FINE.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT I WOULD SAY FAITH THAT YOU CAN'T TAKE CARE OF ALL THE
PEOPLE. >> WE CAN TAKE CARE OF SOME OF
THEM. >> THIS IS LIKE SAYING I'VE GOT A PARK AND SOMEBODY HAS GOT A DOG ON A LEASH AND THAT DOG ON THAT LEASH IS NOT GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
YOU HAVE TO POLICE IT YOURSELF AND HAVE YOUR REGULATIONS.
>> I WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING THE DOG PARK WITHOUT SOME SORT OF VETTING PROCESS AND SOME WAY OF CONTROLLING IT.
>> YOU'VE GOT THAT SITUATION ALMOST SET UP WITH YOUR CARDS AND EVERYTHING. IT'S UP TO WE CAN BUILD THAT
INTO THE COST ON THE THING. >> I GOT A COUPLE MORE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GRASS OR LAWN, IT'S GOING TO BE MUD.
>> AFTER A WHILE IT WILL BE GRAVEL.
>> IT ISN'T GOING TO BE GRASS. >> CHAIN LINK FENCE?
>> YES. >> I WOULD HOPE IF THIS GOES FORWARD IT WOULD NOT BE A CHAIN LINK FENCE.
IT WOULD BE BETTER MORE ATTRACTIVE FENCING.
THERE ARE NEIGHBOR AS CROSS THE STREET.
MY HOPE IS THERE WOULD NEVER BE ANOTHER CHAIN LINK INNOCENCE
FERNANDINA BEACH. >> IT GOES BACK TO HOW MANY
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DOLLARS DO YOU WANT TO SPEND TO DO SOMETHING?>> I'M ON YOUR SIDE. I'M WITH YOU.
LIKE A BLACK CHAIN LINK FENCE IS NOT PARTICULARLY AN OBNOXIOUS
SITUATION. >> I DID MISUNDERSTAND THIS WOULD BE BUILT WITH TAXPAYER SNUBBED.
>> I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GOING TO BE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL VOLUNTEER. >> I NEED MONEY.
>> SO THE COST TO BUILD THIS COMES OUT OF THE PARKS AND REC
DEPARTMENT. >> IT COMES FROM THE CITY.
>> OK. >> SO THIS IS NOT AN ALL
VOLUNTEER EFFORT. >> IT'S NOT AN ALL VOLUNTEER
PAID SITUATION NO. >> YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THIS?
ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THIS? >> HE'S PRESENTING TO GET YOUR
INPUT. >> IS THERE MONEY FOR IT?
>> THAT ALL DEPENDS ON -- THE COMMISSION WILL MAKE THAT FINAL DECISION. PEOPLE REQUEST FUNDS ALL THE TIME. WE'LL PUT THEM IN THERE AND SEE
WHAT HAPPENS. >> GOT A LOT OF FUNDING GOING IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES AND $40,000 ISN'T MUCH COMPARED TO OTHER SITUATIONS THAT ARE OCCURRING.
>> DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION? >> NO.
>> THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THIS SAYS ACTUALLY DOG PARKS AREN'T ALL THAT GREAT. AND THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT NEW
YORK DOG PARKS. >> NO THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DOG PARKS. AND IT DISCUSSES THINGS SUCH AS THE SOCIALIZATION MYTH THAT ACTUALLY PUTTING TOGETHER A WHOLE BUNCH OF DOGS IN ONE PLACE IS NOT ACTUALLY WHAT CANINE --
>> THAT IS ONE WRITERS OPINION. >> AS A DOG OWNER BEING IN PARKS
I DISAGREE THAT. >> I WOULD URGE YOU.
IT'S IN YESTERDAY'S "NEW YORK TIMES" AND IT DISCUSSES INJURIES, DISEASES AND LOTS OF OTHER THINGS.
>> I WILL IMPRESS UPON YOU ALL THERE ARE MANY DOG OWNERS IN THE CITY AND THEY NEED AN OUTLET FOR THEIR DOGS.
>> I'VE GOT TO GO. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NOT ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION THAT YOU NEEDED
ME. >> I HAVE A SHEET FROM MARGARET
ON THE BY LAWS. >> CALL THE MEETING TO AN END.
>> YOU CAN FILL IT OUT AFTER. >> ARE WE DONE?
>> IF I'VE ANSWERED EVERYTHING YOU HAVE.
>> ALWAYS SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T LIKE SOMETHING.
>> RIGHT. >> LIKE I SAID, THERE IS A WHOLE PILE OF PETITIONS HERE OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT WANT AN OFF
>> KEEP THAT IN MIND. THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.
>> AND I WOULD LIKE SOME OF YOUR HELP ON THE GRAPHICS TOO IF WE
GET IT GOING. >> BONNIE DICKENS.
I THINK THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS THE CITY NEEDS MORE THAN A CITY SPONSORED DOG PARK. IF THERE WAS NO DOG PARK ON THE ISLAND. I SEE THE NOISE, AND THIS WHOLE IDEA WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE GOING THE TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THIS STUFF, I AM NOT CONFIDENT THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. AND MY NEIGHBORS HAVE DOGS AND THEY HAVE TWO DOGS AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY DRIVE ME CRAZY WHEN THEY GET OUT THERE AND BARK AND BARK AND BARK.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS DOG PARK.
I THINK THERE ARE OTHER PLACES PEOPLE CAN GET TOGETHER WITH THEIR DOGS. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO COME OUT OF OUR CITY BUDGET. THANK YOU.
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>> ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS BY LAWS?
>> THERE IS NO QUORUM ANYMORE. >> YOU WANT TO POSTPONE TO THE
NEXT MEETING? >> SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT
YOU. >> WE'LL DO IT NEXT TIME.
>> THAT JUST MEANS SHE'S GOING TO BE BACK SO THAT IS
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.