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THIS IS, I AM CALLING TO ORDER, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2026, 5 O'CLOCK, AND CITY COMMISSION APPROVES.
UH, MCKENNA, ARE YOU GOING TO CALL THE ROLL? YES.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[3.1 Approval of Minutes from the Regular Meeting of August 12, 2026.]
THERE'S ONE OVER HERE.IT TAKES US TO, LAST MEETING IS MINUTES? THEY'RE IN ORDER? UH, NO.
WE GO OVER TO THE SECOND PAGE OF THE MINUTES.
IF YOU'VE SIGNED YOUR FILES, LIKE PAGE FOUR.
WHERE WE STARTED UNDER THE BOARD BUSINESS AND THE COMMENTS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, IF YOU GO DOWN THE TOP OF THE PAGE THERE, IT STARTS OUT ALSO FROM DIFFERENT OUTREACH EVENTS, DA DA DA.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THIS, THAT MARGARET SAID WE HAD TO HAVE THE YEAR REPORT TO THE STATE BY SEPTEMBER.
AND IT WAS GOING TO BE AT THE COMMISSION MEETING ON THE 16TH OF SEPTEMBER, SEND THE NOTE AT THE TOP.
AND THEN IF YOU GO DOWN TWO PARAGRAPHS, IT SAYS IT'S GOT TO BE IN BY THE FIRST, BASED ON WHAT OUR SPEAKER SAID.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN, OR SPOKEN.
BECAUSE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.
WHAT IS THE DATE? I DON'T HAVE THE MINUTES RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT WENT TO THE AUGUST MEETING AT THE COMMISSION, AND THEN IT WAS SUBMITTED BY SEPTEMBER THE 1ST.
TO AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER, SO IT WAS SUBMITTED.
AND I'M GOING TO MENTION THAT IN A LITTLE WHILE.
BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET A COPY OF THE LETTER THAT WENT, AND I PUT IN A REQUEST TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
I HAVEN'T HEARD IT IN FACT, BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND THAT LETTER ANYWHERE ON THE WEBSITE.
OKAY, THE DRAFT LETTER WAS IN YOUR PACKET LAST MONTH, BUT I CAN GET YOU A COPY OF THE SIGNED LETTER.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE WEREN'T ANY DIFFERENCES.
THE NEXT THING DOWN, GO DOWN ABOUT THREE OR FOUR PARAGRAPHS DOWN THERE.
RIGHT BELOW WHERE IT SAYS, MEMBER GILLETTE INQUIRED ABOUT THE 2045 GOALS COMPARED.
IF I GO TO THE NEXT LINE, IT SAYS VICE CHAIR.
JUST PUT VICE CHAIR BEFOREHAND IN THERE SO THAT IT'S CLEAR WHO IT IS.
SOMEBODY MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND WHO VICE CHAIR IS AND SO ON.
AND LET ME SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE.
OKAY, GO DOWN TO THE NEXT PAGE AND GO DOWN WHERE IT SAYS STAFF REPORT.
GO ABOVE IT, JUST A COUPLE LINES.
IT SAYS, MEMBER BENNETT ASKED FOR THE PRESENTATION TO BE EMAILED TO BOARD MEMBERS.
SOMEHOW THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
THERE'S SOME WORDS THAT JUST NEED TO BE CHANGED.
I CONCUR JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT.
I'M NOT SAYING I DIDN'T SAY IT.
AND THIS IS VERY MINOR, BUT UNDER DRAFT, WE NEED TO SPELL DRAFT CORRECTLY.
I HOPE YOU'RE GOING TO BE A STICKLER.
WHILE WE'RE PILING ON, IT DID SAY, MEMBER GILLETTE INQUIRED ABOUT 2045 GOALS COMPARED TO 2050 GOALS.
I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD EXPAND ON THE NOTATION OF LARGER REDEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE'VE REALLY TALKED ABOUT INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES THAT MAY AT SOME POINT IN TIME NEED TO GET REDEVELOPED.
AND MAYBE 2050 WOULD BE A TARGET TO AT LEAST OUTLINE SOME PLANS OR IDEAS OR CONSIDER.
NICK, ARE YOU SAYING THAT SOMETHING'S MISSING FROM THE MINUTES? YEAH, IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DIDN'T GET LOST BECAUSE THAT WAS MY POINT.
IN 2050, YOU NEVER KNOW IF A PAPER MILL IS HERE OR NOT HERE.
WE MAY WANT TO REDEVELOP OR GIVE GOALS OR GIVE IDEAS AS TO WHAT.
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WE HAD A CONCRETE FACTORY HERE.IT'S BLANK SPACE AND HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME.
SO WE NEED TO AMEND THE MINUTES.
I THINK BECAUSE I DID SAY THAT THEN.
AND IT'S JUST I'M NOT NECESSARILY NOTING A PAPER MILL BY JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
BUT THERE ARE, TO PETER'S POINT, WE'VE HAD SOME INDUSTRIAL THAT HOAGIE PLANTS, WE'VE HAD OTHER THINGS.
THAT NO LONGER EXISTS THAT WE'RE INDUSTRIAL.
BUT MAYBE WE OUGHT TO LOOK FORWARD AND THINK WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THERE.
MAYBE WORK WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT EXIST TODAY.
SO WE NEED TO ADD THAT TO THE MINUTES.
WE'LL GO BACK AND RE-LISTEN TO THE MINUTES AND I'LL ADD SOME MORE CONTEXT TO YOUR STATEMENT.
AND THEN WILL WE TRUST LIEUTENANT AND MARGARET TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED OR DO THEY NEED TO COME BACK TO US? I WOULD SAY LET THEM JUST DO IT.
WELL, WE WILL APPROVE THEM WITH AMENDMENTS.
IN THAT CASE, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED? I WILL APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED DURING OUR DISCUSSION HERE THIS EVENING.
[6.1 Discussion on priorities for Comprehensive Plan amendments identified in the Evaluation and Appraisal Report (EAR)]
I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO GO.CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY CASES TONIGHT, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, SOME BOARD BUSINESSES AND STAFF REPORTS.
THE FIRST THING IS THAT AT YOUR SEAT, WE DID PROVIDE YOU WITH THE INFORMATION, I THINK, THAT BOARD MEMBER GILLETTE HAS ASKED FOR.
WE'VE JUST BEEN A LITTLE BIT BEHIND ON GETTING THE INFORMATION TOGETHER, THE BUILDING PERMITS, A CONTINUED RUN OF BUILDING PERMITS FROM 23 TO NOW TO 26.
SO THAT'S THERE, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO UPDATE IT AS THE MONTHS GO ON AND PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU.
IF I COULD INTERJECT ON THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IF YOU LOOK AT 24 VERSUS 25 VERSUS 26, I THINK YOU SEE WHY WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CASES, BECAUSE WE WENT, IF YOU GO TO AUGUST OF THE PRIOR TWO YEARS AND THEN COMPARE IT TO AUGUST OF THIS YEAR, YOU GO FROM 50 NEW SINGLE-FAMILY BUILDING RESIDENTIAL PERMITS TO 69 AND THEN WE'RE AT 28.
SO WE WENT, WE DROPPED 41 FROM WHERE WE WERE A YEAR AGO AT THIS TIME.
SO I JUST, I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING THE CITY'S DOING.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF APPLICATIONS ON, I THINK, THE BUILDING PERMITS.
IT'S NOT THE ECONOMIC PART OF THAT.
SO ON THE BOARD DISCUSSION, AS CHAIRMAN, I MEAN, BOARD MEMBER STEVENSON MENTIONED, THE EAR LETTER DID GO OUT.
WE HAD A PRESENTATION FROM THE REGIONAL COUNCIL AND THEY DIDN'T REALLY ADD ANYTHING TO THE LETTER.
THEY FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE GOING WITH THE HIGH-LEVEL CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
SO WE SENT THAT LETTER OFF BEFORE SEPTEMBER THE 1ST, ACTUALLY, AND WE DID RECEIVE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT BACK FROM THE STATE AND WITH THE TIMEFRAME TICKING THAT WE HAVE ONE YEAR TO COMPLETE THESE CHANGES AND SUBMIT IT BACK TO THEM FOR REVIEW.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANTED TO START TALKING ABOUT HOW WE WANTED TO APPROACH THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS BEEN HAVING A LOT, YOU HAVE NOT HAVING A LOT OF CASES, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REALLY START GETTING YOU INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS OF CHANGING, HAVING THESE AMENDMENTS COME FORWARD.
SO I WANTED TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT HOW YOU WANTED TO HANDLE THAT.
SO TO JUST KIND OF RECAP OF WHAT CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO BE MADE.
SO THEY WANTED, WHAT WE RECOMMENDED WAS ADDING SOME NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY TO THE CRITERIA IN THE COMP PLAN.
SO SOME HIGH-LEVEL CRITERIA THAT WOULD EXPLAIN WHAT IS COMPATIBILITY AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE.
THAT WAS ALSO A DIRECTIVE FROM ONE OF THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGE THAT MISS PRINCE HAD TALKED ABOUT.
I BELIEVE IT'S YOUR LAST MEETING.
SO THIS KIND OF FITS PERFECT WITH THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO IT LEGISLATIVE.
BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE HEARD FROM OUR COMMUNITY INPUT IS THEY WANTED US TO LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES.
YOU REMEMBER AS WE KIND OF MARKED OUT THAT EVERYBODY KIND OF SEEMED TO AGREE WITH, WE NEED TO TWEAK THEM.
BUT THAT SEEMED TO BE THE CONSENSUS THAT THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY AS IT RELATES TO THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS.
AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND IT'S BEEN, I SORT OF PONDERED THIS FOR A WHILE, THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO A LANDOWNER'S RIGHT
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TO MAYBE HE'S IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND HE WANTS TO TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN INSTEAD OF LIKE A ONE STORY HOUSE LIKE WE HAVE A LOT HERE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.MAYBE HE WANTS TO BUILD A TWO STORY AS HIGH AS WHAT THE ZONING WOULD ALLOW.
AND INSTEAD OF BEING A TRADITIONAL TYPE OF HOUSE THAT WE HAVE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, NOW HE WANTS TO, NOT THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT A HOUSE THAT MAYBE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE OTHER HOUSES.
SO WHAT DO YOU DO THEN? SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEFINITELY BALANCE IT WITH PROPERTY RIGHTS.
THE COMP PLAN ALREADY STATES NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY.
WHAT IS MISSING IS WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND SO THAT'S WHAT, WHEN WE START GETTING INTO THIS, AND THIS IS PART OF WHY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THESE, WHERE WE COULD TALK ABOUT HOW DO YOU WANT TO START THAT PROCESS OF DEFINING WHAT THAT IS? AND WHO WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS? AND HOW DO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO BRING THOSE TEXT AMENDMENTS BACK TO YOU GUYS TO SEE IF THAT FITS THE WHOLE PICTURE? AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, LEGALLY REVIEW IT FOR PROPERTY RIGHTS AND WE'LL DO ALL THAT STUFF BEHIND THE SCENES.
AND I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN THE COMP PLAN.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE A CRITERIA TO MEASURE IT BY.
AND WE DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE IT IN THE LDC.
IT'S IN THE COMP PLAN ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY.
IT'S JUST NOT DEFINED AS TO WHAT THAT MEANS.
NOW, THE ACTUAL HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THAT, THAT WILL TRANSLATE INTO ACTUALLY WHAT THAT MEANS WILL BE IN THE LDC.
BUT AN OVERALL CONCEPT OF WHAT DOES THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY MEAN? IS THAT HEIGHT? NOT PACIFIC HEIGHT, BUT HEIGHT.
DOES THAT MEAN LOT WIDTH? DOES THAT MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, THE IMPERVIOUS RATIO? SO ALL OF THAT.
YOU'RE BRINGING UP THESE ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO TALK TO.
DO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS? IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GETTING INTO THIS.
BUT WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS FIRST.
ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE WHEN WE GET TO THAT.
OR JUST SAY UNTIL WE GET TO IT.
SO NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY IS GOING TO BE A BIG INTEREST AND I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO WANT MORE COMMUNITY INPUT FROM THE INDIVIDUAL AREA.
SO THE NEXT ONE THAT WAS A BIG TOPIC DURING THE VISION WAS THE MULTIMODAL STANDARDS.
AND SO IN THE COMP PLAN ALREADY THERE IS MULTI-MODAL ELEMENTS AND IT TALKS ABOUT THAT IT SHOULD BE INCORPORATED.
BUT THERE'S NO GUIDING STANDARDS AND THERE'S NO DEADLINES.
SO IT'S JUST KIND OF OUT THERE.
AND SO AS PART OF THE COMP PLAN WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS SEE IF WE CAN HAVE SOME HIGH LEVEL STANDARDS OF WHAT THAT MEANS.
EVERY DEVELOPMENT SHOULD INCORPORATE THIS.
I MEAN WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND THEN A DEADLINE FOR THAT TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE LDC.
BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS IN THE COMP PLAN HAVE DEADLINES.
AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE PASSED.
SO WE NEED TO REVISIT THE DEADLINES AND SET A DEADLINE ON THIS AS TO HAVE IT DONE IN THE LDC.
BECAUSE THAT WAS A PRIORITY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND WHAT STREETS? LIKE, YOU KNOW, COLLECTOR STREETS.
I MEAN THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS WE'LL START TALKING ABOUT.
NEIGHBORHOOD ACCESS TO BEACHES AND TREE CANOPY.
THAT WAS A BIG CONVERSATION DURING THE VISIONING.
AND SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THOSE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE.
AND WHAT DO WE WANT TO INCORPORATE INTO THOSE? THEY WANT SOME PROTECTIVE LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT THAT.
AND THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE RESILIENCE AND THE PRESERVING THE ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS AND ALL THAT.
ANOTHER HIGH AREA WAS PUBLIC TRUST AND CITIZEN PARTICIPATION.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THIS IS UNDER A NEW OBJECTIVE IN THE COMP PLAN.
UNDER INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION.
AND KIND OF BEEF THAT UP A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, TO GAIN PUBLIC TRUST.
TO GAIN PUBLIC TRUST AND KNOW THAT EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT.
AND THAT ALL THESE CHANGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK TOWARDS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CITIZEN INPUT.
AND THEN THERE WAS A LOT OF THESE LITTLE ONES THAT WERE JUST PART OF THE STATUTORY CHANGES.
AS FAR AS LIKE UPDATING THE HORIZON FROM 10 TO 20 YEARS.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO CHANGE THE DATES OF THE COMP PLAN.
THERE'S SOME INFORMATION ON FLOATING SOLAR FACILITIES.
WE NEED TO ADDRESS SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FLORIDA STATUTE.
SO THERE'S SOME HOUSING THINGS WE NEED TO INCLUDE.
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INCLUSION OF THE RESILIENT FACILITIES DEFINED AS PUBLICLY OWNED SITES.WE'VE KIND OF LOOKED AT THIS BEFORE, BUT WE NEED TO REVISIT TO BE SURE THAT OURS IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FLORIDA STATUTES.
WE HAVE ADOPTED FACTORS FOR ASSESSING COMPATIBILITY OF ALLOWING RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN THE LOW DENSITY AND MEDIUM DENSITY AND HIGH DENSITY CATEGORIES.
I MEAN, SO ASSESS TO ALLOW OTHER TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THOSE SMALLER, LOWER DENSITY AREAS.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS ADOPT A POLICY TO ADDRESS THE FEASIBILITY OF PROVIDING SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM WITHIN A 10-YEAR PLANNING HORIZON FOR DEVELOPMENT.
SO WITH OVER 50 LOGS IN DENSITY.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT WE HAD IS THAT IF WE HAVE EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE HERE, YOU KNOW, FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, DO WE WANT TO START LOOKING AT CAPITAL AND ALL THAT ABOUT EXTENDING WATER AND SEWER TO COVER THOSE? SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT.
I THINK WE JUST NEED TO DO A STUDY AND JUST SAY WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ASSESS THIS.
NOT THAT WE HAVE TO DO IT, BUT WE NEED TO DO AN ASSESSMENT OF IT.
WHAT IS THE FEASIBILITY OF DOING THAT? SO THOSE ARE THE CHANGES THAT CAME OUT OF THE MAIN ONES THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON.
AND SO WHAT I WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IS HOW DO YOU WANT TO APPROACH THAT? SO A COUPLE OF WAYS.
STAFF CAN JUST DRAFT SOMETHING AND START, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM OUR EXPERTISE, START DRAFTING SOMETHING AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU.
WE COULD FORM A SMALL WORKING GROUP THAT WORKS WITH THE STAFF.
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE ADVERTISING AND ALL THAT.
MISS PRINCE IS ALWAYS SHAKING HER HEAD, MAKING SURE THAT I SAY THAT.
THAT WHILE THAT GROUP, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC COULD COME, YOU COULD ASSIGN ONE MEMBER TO BE KIND OF THE LIAISON WITH STAFF TO WORK WITH US TO DO IT.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK HERE.
AND SO THE BEST, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WAY WE CAN MAKE IT THE SMOOTHEST TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THE INPUT YOU WANT.
SO I'M I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS.
COULD IT BE? IT SEEMS TO BE LOOKING AT THIS THAT BEFORE WE DO THESE THINGS, ARE WE SETTLED ON A SUCCINCT VISION FOR THE CITY? WITH THE COMP PLAN, DO WE HAVE SPECIFIC GOALS SO THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING WILL RELATE DIRECTLY BACK TO SOME BIGGER VISION OR PLAN? IN OTHER WORDS, TO TO GO THROUGH AND TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMPATIBILITY OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
WELL, WOULDN'T THAT BE A PART OF SOME BIGGER PLAN? AND WOULDN'T THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, STRATEGIES, WHATEVER WE DO THEN NEED TO RELATE BACK TO THAT BIGGER PLACE? SO THIS IS HOW I WOULD APPROACH IT IS THAT WHENEVER AND IF I WAS GOING TO BE CHARGING, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY MAKE BRINGING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO I WOULD FIND THE ELEMENTS WITHIN THE COMP PLAN NOW THAT TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER.
AND WHEN I SAY NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, SADLER ROAD IS A PRIME EXAMPLE.
THAT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, SADLER ROAD, ENFIELD.
YOU HAVE THE AREAS THAT WE DEFINED.
SO ALL AND THEY'RE LISTED IN THE COMP PLAN.
RM1, YOU KNOW, R3 IS THEY'RE ALL LISTED IN THERE.
AND IT TALKS ABOUT COMPATIBILITY AND ELEMENTS.
AND SO I WOULD PULL OUT ALL OF THOSE SECTIONS AND SEE WHERE WE CAN BEEF IT UP AND ADD THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE WANTING TO HAVE TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE WANT.
AND SO THAT'S HOW WE WOULD START.
AND WE WOULD WORK WITH A GROUP TO KIND OF LIKE REFINE THAT LANGUAGE AND CHANGES.
HOW DOES THAT DOVETAIL TO THE VISION? IS IT THE VISION FIRST AND THEN THE COMP PLAN SUPPORTS THE VISION? THE VISION SUPPORTS THE COMP PLAN AND THEN FROM THE COMP PLAN.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE LDC CAME FROM THE COMP PLAN.
AND SO IF YOU'VE GOT THE VISION, THEN DOES THE COMP PLAN COME FROM THE VISION? WE HAVE THE VISION.
WE'RE STILL KIND OF TWEAKING IT RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE RECEIVED THE DRAFT BACK.
AND SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT IT.
BUT YES, THE VISION DOES KIND OF GUIDE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT THE VISION 2045 WAS NEVER ADOPTED.
AND SO THOSE ELEMENTS WERE NEVER CONTAINED WITHIN THE COMP PLAN AS FAR AS UPDATING IT.
NOW, THE COMP PLAN IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY A GOOD DOCUMENT.
AND IT HAS A LOT OF THOSE THINGS THAT ALREADY CAME OUT OF THE COMP PLAN.
SO I THINK THERE'S JUST BRINGING THE REVISED REVISIONS FROM THE VISION PLAN, BRINGING THOSE ALSO INTO THE COMP PLAN.
BUT IT'S REALLY THESE CHANGES FROM THE VISIONING SESSIONS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO WORK ON THE COMP PLAN.
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SO THE VISION IS MORE LOCAL.I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE COMP PLAN.
YOU'VE GOT THE STATE REGULATIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH.
TIMELINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THE VISION, IS IT PART OF THE STATE REQUIREMENT? AND IT'S NOT REQUIRED AS FAR AS THE STATE, BUT IT HELPS YOU IN FORMULATING YOUR COMP PLAN.
IT TELLS YOU WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS WANTING YOU TO KIND OF ARTICULATE IN A DOCUMENT THAT WOULD TRANSLATE INTO THE LDC.
BECAUSE WITHOUT THE ELEMENTS IN THE COMP PLAN, YOU DON'T HAVE THE FOUNDATION TO DRAFT IT INTO THE LDC.
WELL, I JUST, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE VISION PLAN, WHICH IS GOOD.
BUT ARE THERE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT THE VISION PLAN DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT MAYBE WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER? YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WHEN WE DID EAR AMENDMENTS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, WE LOOKED AT INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE LOOKED AT FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGES.
WE LOOKED AT DOCUMENTS WITHIN THE COMP PLAN THAT WE WANTED TO CHANGE AND LOOK AT.
AND ARE THERE ANY AREAS THAT ON THOSE MAPS THAT WE WANT TO, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE THERE ANY REDEVELOPMENT CORRIDORS? ARE THERE ANY THINGS THAT WE WANT TO THROW OUT THERE THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE GLOBAL, MAYBE A LITTLE LESS ABSTRACT AND MORE FINAL, LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE? THERE MAY BE PARALLEL ROUTES WE WANT TO CONSIDER.
THERE MAY BE GOLF CART ROUTES WE WANT TO CONSIDER.
THERE MIGHT BE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE TANGIBLE.
AND I GUESS I'M HAVING A HARD TIME.
BUT THOSE THINGS WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF, THIS IS THE VISION FOR THE CITY, AND THEREFORE WE NEED TO DO THIS.
THAT'S WHY I THINK EAR AMENDMENTS ARE FOR AS WELL.
IT'S ELEMENTS OF YOUR COMP PLAN.
BUT FOR INSTANCE, WHEN I LOOK AT THE MULTIMODAL ELEMENT, RIGHT, THAT DOES INVOLVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE COMP PLAN.
SO WE WOULD PULL OUT EVERY SECTION THAT WOULD REMOTELY TOUCH THAT HIGH LEVEL THAT THE CITIZENS WANT TO IMPROVE AND REQUIRE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION, LIKE YOU SAID, GOLF CARTS.
SO MAYBE ONE OF THOSE STRATEGIES THAT COME OUT OF THAT IS THAT WITHIN TWO YEARS THE CITY DEVELOPS SOME TYPE OF GOLF CART ROUTE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT OUT OF THAT, YOU COULD HAVE AN OBJECTIVE WITH A DEADLINE THAT ADDRESSES THAT COMP THING.
NOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE PLAN DONE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT PHASE AND A DIFFERENT BUDGETING.
BUT THIS IS WHAT KIND OF LAYS OUT THOSE STRATEGIES.
I WAS JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE SOME FUTURE LAND USE MAP ELEMENTS.
MULTIMODAL CERTAINLY FALLS UNDER THE INFRASTRUCTURE ELEMENT.
AND JUST LIKE IT SAYS HERE, LIKE ONE OF THE LEGISLATIVE IS ABOUT THE 10-YEAR SERVICE AREA.
SO, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AREAS THAT ARE NOT SERVED BY SEWER NOW AND THAT WHAT IS THE, IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, I MEAN, WHAT IS THE FEASIBILITY OF EXTENDING SEWER IN THOSE AREAS WHERE THERE'S HOMES WITH THEM.
AND THAT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE, WHICH GOES TO THE BIGGER QUESTION THAT CAME OUT OF THE VISION PLAN AS WELL, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTALLY PROTECTING THE ISLAND.
AND NOT HAVING SEPARATE TANKS IS ONE OF THEM.
SO HELP ME BECAUSE WE'RE SORT OF STARTING FROM THE BEGINNING OF OUR DISCUSSION OF WHERE WE'RE GOING, HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH ALL OF THESE CHANGES AND INCORPORATE IT.
AND JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT VISION PLAN FITS INTO ALL OF THIS.
YOU KNOW, IS IT BECAUSE I GUESS I'M PRETTY LINEAR WITH, YOU KNOW, FLOW CHARTS THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE FLOWS FROM AND TO AND TO THE OTHER.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS VERY SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND FROM A CONCEPTUAL PERSPECTIVE.
AND THEN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HELPS DEFINE ALL OF THOSE GOALS THAT WE PUT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF WHERE THE VISION PLAN, YOU KNOW, IS IT PARALLEL? IS IT SIDE BY SIDE? IT CERTAINLY IS NOT ABOVE THE PLAN.
WELL, IT KIND OF IS IN A WAY BECAUSE IF YOU THE UPDATES TO THE TO THE VISION PLAN WILL SHOW THE INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS.
SO ONCE YOU AND WHICH IS WHAT I DRAFTED, WHICH IS WHERE I PULLED THESE ELEMENTS FROM IS THE DRAFT OF THE VISION PLAN.
BECAUSE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THE VISION PLAN IS GOING TO BE COMPLETE BECAUSE WE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED, WE WANTED TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INPUT.
BUT WE'RE ON A TIME FRAME THAT WE GOT ONE YEAR.
SO WE KNOW AT A MINIMUM WE HAVE ENOUGH FEEDBACK FROM THE CITIZENS TO KNOW WHAT
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THEIR PRIORITIES ARE, WHICH I'VE KIND OF SHOWED YOU.AND THEN AND THAT'S ALL IN THE VISION PLAN.
SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD HAVE THE VISION PLAN WHEN WE TOUCH AT THESE ELEMENTS AND SAY, OK, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WAS PRIORITY.
AND THESE ARE THE LITTLE THINGS THAT THEY WERE SAYING WITHIN THE BIGGER PICTURE OF THE MULTIMOBILE PAST.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE THINGS IN THERE THAT ARE IN THE VISION PLAN.
BUT THERE'S A GLOBAL COMMENT THAT WE NEED TO REQUIRE MORE MULTIMOBILE PAST.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO GET AROUND TO THE COMMERCIAL.
SO THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAT'S IN THE VISION PLAN THAT WE WILL PULL INTO OUR COMP PLAN REVISIONS.
I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR US TO REVIEW THE VISION PLAN AGAIN.
MR. AKRONOFF WANTS TO TELL YOU SOMETHING.
IF WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS, WE DON'T KNOW IF THE TIME IS ON YOUR OWN POINT.
I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT THIS FLOWS WITH THE WITH THE VISION 25 IS THE VISION 2050 PLAN IS THE WORK PLAN FOR THE COMP PLAN.
SO TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES IS OBJECTIVE 7.01 IS ESTABLISHED MEASURES FOR PUBLIC TRUST AND CITIZEN PARTICIPATION.
WE HEARD WE'VE HEARD A LOT THAT SOMETHING.
SO THE POLICY SO IT IDENTIFIES THE POLICY TO MEET THAT GOAL.
THE POLICY IS IN THE COMP PLAN AND THEN GOES TO THE LDC.
SO THAT'S THOSE ARE THE POLICY DOCUMENTS WHICH YOU ARE ALL THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO GET THESE READY SO THAT THEY CAN BECOME POLICY.
SO THE FIRST POLICY IS BY JUNE 2030, EACH CITY DEPARTMENT SHALL DEVELOP A PLAN THAT SPECIFIES THAT EACH OF THESE CONCEPTS CAN BE IMPLEMENTED AND DEMONSTRATED.
SO THAT GIVES THE STAFF THE WORK PLAN GIVES YOU THE WORK PLAN TO PUT IT IN THE COMP PLAN.
SO THAT'S REALLY HOW IT WORKS.
THE COMP PLAN OR THE VISION 2050 INFORMS AND DIRECTS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON.
AND THEN THE LDC IS HOW WE IMPLEMENT AND HOW HOW IT SHOWS UP OUT IN THE REAL WORLD.
DOES THAT MEAN WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD ANYTHING THAT WASN'T IN THE VISIONING PLAN? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
THE COMP PLAN IS IT'S CALLED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE IT HAS EVERYTHING.
SO THE VISION 2050 IS AS MARGARET MENTIONED IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID TO YOU.
AND WE HAD WE HAD OK PARTICIPATION THIS TIME.
BUT 2045, WHICH WAS A SOLID PLAN, HAD HAD A HIGH LEVEL.
SO THE REASON WE DIDN'T GET AS MUCH IS BECAUSE THE CONVERSATION DIDN'T CHANGE THAT COMMUNITY WAS OK.
SO I THINK THAT ABSOLUTELY YOU CAN.
THAT'S THAT'S REALLY YOUR WORK.
TAKE THE DEFINITELY READ THE READ THE VISION PLAN.
AND THEN WHAT IS NOT QUITE THERE.
RIGHT. WHAT IS NOT WHAT IS MISSING THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S IDENTIFIED MULTIPLE THAT COME FROM OUTSIDE.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? OH, HE GOT YOU.
SO SO THE SO THIS INPUT IS WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TOLD US.
BUT THERE IS EXPERTISE AND KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE BEYOND THE PUBLIC.
THERE IS A FRAME OF REFERENCE AVAILABLE FROM EXPERTS FROM THEIR CASE STUDIES.
I JUST I WANT YOUR RESPECT FOR THE CITIZENS.
BUT I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO THINK BEYOND THAT TO YOU WHEN IT'S NEEDED.
RIGHT. SO WE'RE THE WE'RE THE PROFESSIONALS.
WELL, I'LL FINISH ON THIS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
THERE'S 12 GOALS IN THE COMP PLAN.
I THINK THE VISIONING PLAN PROBABLY TOUCHES THREE, MAYBE FOUR.
YEAH. SO THERE'S AT LEAST EIGHT OTHERS THAT WE COULD DIVE
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INTO THAT ARE RELEVANT.JUST JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT WE HAVE ONE YEAR.
AND THESE ARE SOME HEAVY LIFTS, EVEN JUST THE FOUR, YOU KNOW, NOT COUNTING THESE THAT ARE JUST REQUIRED BY STATUTORY, BUT JUST THE FEW THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY, THE MOBILE, I MEAN, THE MULTIMOBILE REQUIREMENTS, THE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER IS GOING TO TAKE IN A LOT OF THINGS, INFILL, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO TOUCH ALL THOSE ELEMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN.
AND THEN THE TREE CANOPY, THAT'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT PRESERVATION.
AND THEN I THINK THE OTHER ONE WAS RESILIENCY, I THINK.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BEACH ACCESSES, PROTECTING THE BEACHES, PROTECTING THE DUNES, ALL OF THAT.
THERE'S STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE BEEFED UP IN THERE.
AND THOSE ARE I MEAN, THOSE ARE MONTHS.
INDIVIDUAL ITEMS WILL TAKE MONTHS.
SO WE JUST WANT TO BE MINDFUL THAT THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE COMMITTED TO IN THE EAR LETTER.
AND IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T DO MORE NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, AND MAKE MORE CHANGES.
BUT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A REALISTIC EXPECTATION OF WHAT WE CAN GET DONE.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'M LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM YOU GUYS.
HOW DO YOU WANT TO TACKLE THESE? WHAT IS THE PRIORITY? MS. JORDAN.
FROM THE EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE FROM PAST YEAR PROCESSES, WE'VE TRIED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON FROM THE BOARD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH A PUBLIC MEETING.
WE'VE TRIED ALL KINDS OF WAYS.
AND I THINK WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT BECAUSE WE ARE ALL SO PASSIONATE ABOUT OUR JOB HERE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE VISION PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IS THAT WE ALL ENDED UP BEING AT THESE MEETINGS.
AND WE ALL WANTED TO BE AT THESE MEETINGS AND, YOU KNOW, A NOTIFICATION ISSUE AND THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH, THE MAJORITY AT THE TIME, WAS THAT WHILE MAYBE THERE WAS SOMEONE WHO WAS CHAIR OF THAT PARTICULAR SUBJECT, WE ALL ENDED UP COMING TO THESE MEETINGS BECAUSE WE WERE SO INTERESTED IN WHAT THE CITIZENS WERE SAYING AND WHAT THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS INVOLVED WERE SAYING.
WE JUST HAD TO COME AND FIND OUT WHAT EVERYBODY WAS SAYING.
AND I MEAN, MS. PRITZ CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU WANT TO APPROACH IT, I MEAN, STAFF, IF YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT KIND OF PRIORITY YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO START IN, I MEAN, WE CAN GATHER ALL THE INFORMATION.
WE CAN DO JUST LIKE A FIRST ROUGH DRAFT OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD BASED ON THE DOCUMENT REVIEW AND THEN BRING IT TO THESE MEETINGS AND MAYBE CARVE OUT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE SPEND JUST GOING THROUGH THE CHANGES AT EACH MEETING.
YEAH, AND YOU COULD WORKSHOP IT AS WELL.
LIKE WHEN WE DID THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, WE EVEN SAT IN THE MIDDLE OR MORE OF A ROUND TABLE AND PASSED DOCUMENTS AROUND AND HAD THE CITIZENRY ABLE, BUT THEY CAN STAY UP HERE TOO.
BUT YEAH, IT WOULD BE A NORMAL MEETING OR IT COULD BE A WORKSHOP.
BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE CASES, THEN YOU COULD JUST USE YOUR NORMAL MEETING DATES.
AND WITH CASELOAD, IT'S GOING TO PICK UP A LITTLE BIT.
I'M PROBABLY IN THE MINORITY ON THIS, BUT I HAVE A CONCERN OF HOW THE ECONOMICS OF ANY PLAN IS PUT TOGETHER IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT FOLDED INTO THE BASIC.
WE CAN PUT 200 ITEMS INTO A COMP PLAN.
WE CAN WRITE THEM INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT THEY AREN'T GOING TO GO ANYWHERE BECAUSE EITHER PEOPLE ARE UNWILLING TO PAY FOR IT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS.
WE HAVE A CITIZEN, THEY WANT, WANT, WANT UNTIL YOU ASK THEM TO PUT MONEY IN THE TIN CUP.
THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT.
AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM ECONOMICALLY, THEY WANT MORE BEACH WALKOVERS.
THOSE ARE $200,000 OR $300,000 PER BITE OF THE APPLE.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN INTEGRATED PLAN THAT SAYS, FIRST OF ALL, ARE THE ITEMS IN THE COMP PLAN ECONOMICALLY DOABLE WITH THE ENVIRONMENT WE HAVE TODAY, WITH THE POPULATION, WHATEVER THE ASSUMPTIONS ARE.
YOU CAN WRITE THE ASSUMPTIONS UP AND DEFINE WHAT IT IS.
SO MY ASSUMPTION IS UNLESS WE GROW LAND SPACE, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO SEE MORE THAN ABOUT 15,000 PEOPLE HERE IN THE CITY.
WE'RE PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE 14,000 NOW, SO WE'RE PROBABLY THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS AWAY BEFORE WE GROW ANOTHER THOUSAND.
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OKAY, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPANSION IN TERMS OF HORIZONTALLY LEFT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS AS WE KNOW IT TODAY.SO HOW DO YOU BUILD AN ECONOMIC BASIS THAT'S GOING TO SUPPORT ALL THESE OTHER THINGS YOU WANT, SUCH AS TRANSPORTATION, SUCH AS, YEAH, WE WANT BIKE PATHS ALL THE WAY FROM THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND, ALL THE WAY UP HERE TO THE FERRY LANDING IF WE EVER GET IT BACK.
BUT FOR NOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MEET, HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE TALK ABOUT WHEN WE DO IT.
I MEAN, IT'S A VERY VALID POINT.
YEAH, AND THEN PART OF THIS IS ESTABLISHING THESE PRIORITIES AND PUTTING THEM IN THE COMP PLAN, BUT THERE COULD BE GRANTS.
I MEAN, UNLESS YOU HAVE AN OBJECTIVE OR A POLICY AND YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, SOME STUFF CAN BE DONE IN-HOUSE, BUT UNLESS YOU SAY MY OBJECTIVE IS TO HAVE A PLAN FOR THE ISLAND FOR THE MOBILE TRANSPORTATION, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BASIS TO EVEN GET A GRANT.
AND SO THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO GET FINANCING IF YOU HAVE THESE OTHER TOOLS IN PLACE.
SO THE QUESTION BEFORE US NOW IS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT.
VICTORIA, I THINK, WANTS TO WORK AS A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE.
AND IF WE DO THAT, THEN WE COULD, I WOULD SAY MY OWN PREFERENCE IS TO BREAK INTO SUBCOMMITTEES BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN DO THAT FAR MORE EFFICIENTLY IF A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE COULD WORK.
AND I WOULD BREAK INTO IF WE HAVE A YEAR SERIOUSLY, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME WORKSHOPS TO DO THIS IN MID-AFTERNOON.
AND IF WE NEED TO DO TWO OR THREE, IF WE HAVE DIFFERENT SUBCOMMITTEES AND WE NEED TO DO THAT, I HATE TO IMPOSE ON YOU GUYS, BUT WE WOULD NEED ONE OR BOTH OF YOU THERE.
AND I WOULD SAY LET'S BREAK IT UP.
LET'S BREAK INTO SUBCOMMITTEES IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO SHOW UP.
BUT THAT SUBCOMMITTEE WILL DO THE WORK AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE AND WE'LL DISCUSS IT.
AND IF YOU WANT TO HAVE TWO SUBCOMMITTEES, WE CAN WORK ON TWO ELEMENTS AT A TIME.
I MEAN, WE CAN WORK AT TWO AND MAYBE HAVE LIKE A FOUR-MONTH.
IT MIGHT TAKE TO GET TWO DONE.
BUT WE CAN WORK ON THEM SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH A SEPARATE GROUP.
AND THERE ARE THINGS IN THE PLAN THAT'S MORE COSTFUL ON MONEY, LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY.
YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE CAN WORK ON THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY.
IN FACT, IT COULD REDUCE EXPENSE.
BUT SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A WAY TO GO AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN WHAT ELSE ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT MAY COST MONEY? THAT'S THE PART WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
ONCE WE HAVE THAT, THEN WE CAN DO IT IN TWO WAYS.
AND ARE THE DEADLINES REALISTIC? OR DO WE HAVE ANY DEADLINES AT ALL? YES.
OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW TO DO THIS, HOW TO MEET, HOW TO TALK ABOUT THIS? I WOULD SAY I THINK WE OUGHT TO MEET AS A COMPLETE TEAM.
IT JUST, IT BENDS DOWN THE EXPERTISE POOL.
RIGHT NOW, WE NEED TO OPTIMIZE THESE.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T ALL SHOW UP.
THERE'LL JUST BE A CERTAIN, THE SUBCOMMITTEE WILL HAVE THE HEAVY LIFTING RESPONSIBILITY.
BUT THAT'S, I MEAN, IS THAT HOW YOU SEE IT? YOU'D STILL BE A NOTICED MEETING.
WELL, I MEAN, I WOULD WANT TO, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A SUBCOMMITTEE, I'D LIKE IT TO BE THE SUBCOMMITTEE PROVIDING THE INPUT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT WHERE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO SHOW UP, THEN IT MIGHT AS WELL JUST BE A FULL-BLOWN MEETING.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO, LIKE, HAVE TO WEIGH, LIKE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S INPUT VERSUS SOMEBODY NOT PART OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO I THINK IF YOU COULD GO TWO WAYS, YOU COULD, LIKE I SAID, WE COULD HAVE TWO SUBCOMMITTEES WORK ON TWO ITEMS SIMULTANEOUSLY.
OR WE COULD JUST WORK ON ONE ITEM AND YOU COULD DESIGNATE.
MAYBE I CAN CRAFT IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT I WOULDN'T BRING ANYTHING FORWARD THAT YOU COULDN'T MAYBE DISCUSS IN AN HOUR.
YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIMIT THE DISCUSSION FOR THAT PART AN HOUR AND START DOING THAT.
SO IT'S JUST WHATEVER THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
WELL, ANYWAY, UNLESS YOU, I MEAN, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD JUST WANT TO WORK AS A COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE? EVEN IF WE DO IT IN WORKSHOPS AND...
AND YOU'RE GOOD WITH EITHER WAY.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO DO A COMMITTEE OF A WHOLE LOT MORE.
PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT'S THE DECISION, BUT WE'LL DO IT.
SO THE FIRST, THE NEXT QUESTION I HAD IS WHICH ITEM WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START WITH? YOU TELL US.
TERESA, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, ONLY BECAUSE BY JANUARY 01, WHICH IS LESS THAN SIX MONTHS AWAY, I WAS THINKING THE COMMUNITY ONE, WHICH WAS PROBABLY GOING TO BE MARGARET.
THAT'S GOING TO BE THE HARDEST.
IT IS GOING TO BE THE HARDEST.
SO, MARGARET, YOU KNOW, SINCE YOU HAVE TO COORDINATE THE WHOLE YEAR, I DEFER TO YOUR EXPERTISE THAT
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WE NEED SOME DEFINING TERMS IN OUR LDC AND EVERYTHING BY JANUARY 1.SO MY RECOMMENDATION JUST FROM THE LEGISLATIVE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE TO TACKLE THAT FIRST IF IT MEETS WHAT THE STAFF CAN DO AND WHAT...
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE HEARD.
AND AM I HEARING YOU BOTH SAY WE CAN ONLY, OUR CAPACITY IS TO DO ONE AT A TIME.
WELL, IF YOU'RE, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO ONLY ALLOCATE IT, I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO, LIKE, HAVE YOU GUYS STAY SO LATE, YOU KNOW, SO IF WE'VE ALLOCATED AN HOUR...
JUST THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT YOUR REGULAR MEETING, LIKE AN HOUR FOR YOUR REGULAR MEETING.
IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? WE STILL, WE HAVE TWO BLOCKS A MONTH SET ASIDE FOR THIS ROOM FOR US.
ONE COULD BE A WORKSHOP AND ONE COULD BE A REGULAR MEETING.
AND WE JUST NEED TO COMMIT TO THE DEADLINES, RIGHT? WE NEED TO, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON THE LAST PRIORITY.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT? SO, WE'LL TALK...
WE'RE IN YOUR PRIORITY COMMUNITY AND WE'LL DO IT AS A COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE AND WE WILL HAVE THREE O'CLOCK WORKSHOPS UNTIL WE'RE DONE.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A PLAN TO EVERYBODY? WELL, LET'S SEE HOW...
OH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I THINK MS. PEARSON OR MARGARET WOULD PROBABLY, YOU'D PROBABLY WANT A TIMELINE FOR THE WHOLE YEAR.
LIKE YOU WANT TO PROPOSE SOMETHING I WOULD SAY, RIGHT? YES.
AND SO THAT THE BOARD KNOWS THE DEADLINE FOR THE FIRST TOPIC, THE DEADLINE FOR THE SECOND.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO? YES.
LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO COMMIT TO LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE NEED TO HAVE A COMMITMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO COMPLETE THAT.
IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BE INVOLVED AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT APPROVED BY THE END OF DECEMBER.
WHATEVER THAT TAKES, WE GOT TO GET IT DONE.
AND IF WE NEED TO ADD MORE THEMES, WE CAN SHUT DOWN DECEMBER 15TH.
SO, DO WE NEED, ON OUR FIRST COMPATIBILITY NEIGHBORHOOD, DO WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHICH GOALS WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE? NOT YET.
I'M GOING TO, I'LL START, YOU TELL, AND WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO START DOING A DRAFT AND LET YOU KNOW EVERYTHING WE NEED TO TOUCH.
AND START GIVING SOME, AND WORK WITH MS. PRINCE ON SOME OF THE LEGISLATIVE STUFF AND PROPOSE SOMETHING FOR YOU TO START WITH.
IT'LL JUST BE A PROPOSED DRAFT, RIGHT? IT'LL JUST BE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND THE VISION PLAN AND THEN YOU TAKE IT AND THEN YOU GO WITH IT.
FOR THE TOPIC OF THE COMMUNITY, YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE COMP PLAN, ALL THE DIFFERENT CHAPTERS.
AND IDENTIFY WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT COMMUNITY AND...
I MEAN, WE CAN START, SO THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO GET THAT LEGISLATIVE DONE.
I DON'T THINK THESE, THESE HAVE TO BE DONE WITHIN A YEAR.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER LEGISLATIVE THINGS, TERESA, THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE MORE INTERNAL.
SO, I WOULD THINK THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE MORE, PROBABLY BE THE MULTIMODAL PATH THING THAT WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT.
SO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT ONE.
SO, COMMUNITY IS THE TOUGHEST ONE.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE MOST TIME.
SO, IT'S THE RIGHT ONE TO START WITH.
HERE'S ONE MORE PIECE OF FOOD.
YOU'RE TAKING A BITE OUT OF THE APPLE IS A PRETTY GOOD BITE.
LET'S GO THROUGH THAT AND SEE HOW IT WORKS.
YOU MAY FIND THAT THERE'S EIGHT ITEMS OUT THERE THAT YOU COULD SPIN OFF AND HAVE TWO SUBCOMMITTEES LATER ON.
LET'S JUST GET THE PROCESS ROLLING AS A COMPLETE GROUP.
I WOULD SAY FOR THESE ITEMS OVER HERE THAT NEED TO BE DONE, WE DON'T NEED SEVEN PEOPLE.
WE CAN DO IT WITH A COMMITTEE OF THREE, SAY.
I WANTED TO ADD A COUPLE THINGS.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO COME TOGETHER ON IS CREATING THAT WORK PLAN.
SO, WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THESE DEADLINES ARE.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE STAFF COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY GOT OUR FIRST LAYER.
AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THAT'S THE MOST COMPLICATED AND MAYBE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.
SOMETHING YOU'VE IDENTIFIED, MAYBE NOT IN THAT WAY.
BUT WE CREATE A SCHEDULE BECAUSE I ALSO NEED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT OUR PLANNING MANAGER HAS A DEADLINE ALSO.
AND WE WANT TO FINISH THIS BEFORE THAT DEADLINE COMES.
SO, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SET THAT SCHEDULE.
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TO SET THOSE MEETINGS.SO, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, WE'VE GOT THESE WORKSHOPS.
HEY, YOU KNOW, WE MAY FIND THAT.
AND YOU MAY FIND, HEY, LET'S BREAK UP INTO TWO COMMITTEES AND DO THESE TWO AT ONCE.
AND THEN WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE MEETING TIMES.
BECAUSE YOU MEET AS A WHOLE HERE.
BUT IF YOU MET AS A COMMITTEE OR YOU WERE DOING A WORKSHOP, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO IT IN THIS ROOM.
SO, YOUR TIME SCHEDULES ARE NOT AS COMPRESSED AS YOUR NORMAL MEETINGS.
SO, IF THAT WORKS FOR ALL OF YOU, WE'LL PUT A SCHEDULE TOGETHER AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU.
BUT IF WE HAVE A WORKSHOP, IT'S STILL A CALL ADVERTISED MEETING.
SO, WE HAVE TO BE SOMEPLACE WHERE YOU CAN VIDEO.
YEAH, THAT'S NOT, WE CAN MAKE ALL THAT HAPPEN.
SO, WHAT WE COULD DO IS WORK ON THE WORK PLAN.
HAVE A WORK PLAN WITH SOME DEADLINES AND SOME ROUGH STUFF THAT WE HAVE AND TRY TO BRING IT BACK TO YOUR NEXT MEETING.
AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, PUBLIC TRUST, I THINK, IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF DONE SOME WORK ON.
AND SO, THAT WAS SOME WORK THAT WAS DONE ON THE LAST ONE THAT JUST NEVER GOT INCORPORATED.
SO, I THINK THAT WAS ONE THAT'S GOING TO MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
THAT ITEM IS COMPLETE FOR RIGHT NOW.
SO, IT'LL BE BACK ON YOUR AGENDA NEXT MONTH WITH THE WORK PLAN.
SO, NOW WE HAVE STAFF UPDATES.
SO, NOW WE HAVE STAFF UPDATES.
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TO DO SOME IMPLEMENTATION OF SOME LEGISLATIVE IMPACTS THAT WE HAVE AND UPDATES ON ONGOING INITIATIVES.BEFORE LYNN, YOU START WITH YOU.
I THINK EVERYBODY MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN ONE FROM YOUR OFFICE.
FROM A MAN WHO'S HAD IT ON YOU.
I REALLY DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THAT.
SO, JUWAN WILLIAMS IS TEMPORARY IN MY OFFICE BECAUSE THE LEGAL ASSISTANT POSITION IS OPEN.
AND AT THE LAST MEETING, WE SAID WE WOULD SEND YOU ALL THE BILLS.
SO, SHE SENT YOU A DROPBOX LINK.
AND THEN IT HAS ALL THE BILLS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU CAN THEN DOWNLOAD.
SO, I CAN RECIRCULATE IT IF YOU LIKE.
I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE FACT.
AND THANK YOU BECAUSE I KNOW THE CITY HAS GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS TO WARN EVERYBODY.
AND I DID NOT THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND WE DIDN'T DO AN INTRODUCTION.
BUT, YEAH, DO I NEED TO RECIRCULATE IT OR DOES EVERYBODY STILL HAVE IT? I'M USING THE COMPANY.
THE COMPANY SAID, DON'T YOU DARE OPEN IT.
AND THAT'S A COMPANY CALLED AURA.
I'M TRYING TO PAY THEM A LOT OF MONEY TO PROTECT ME.
JOANNE WILLIAMS. SHE'S A TEMPORARY FROM CALLAHAN THROUGH A TEMP AGENCY.
YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE A CITY VIEW UPDATE.
SO, WE'LL START WITH THE CITY VIEW.
WE'LL DO A CITY VIEW UPDATE IN A SECOND.
BUT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, BECAUSE THE FIRST STEP IS ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE STILL ON THE SCREEN OF DOING OUR LEGISLATIVE UPDATES.
SO, WHEN YOU REVIEW THEM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT PERTAIN TO LDC.
BUT ONE OF THEM I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WAS THE, WE NOW, IN BUILDING A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, THEY ALLOWED FOR THE BUILDERS TO USE THIRD PARTY INSPECTORS AND REVIEWERS.
THEY NOW HAVE OPENED THAT TO THE PLANET.
AND THAT PUTS SOME RESTRICTIONS ON US, BECAUSE IF THEY CHOOSE THAT AVENUE, WE HAVE TO LET THEM DO THAT.
AND IT RESTRICTS OUR REVIEW CAPABILITIES, JUST THE WAY THE RULES ARE WRITTEN.
SO, PART OF THAT IS FOR US, AND THAT STARTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
BUT WE ARE PREPARING A LIST OF THIRD PARTY PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN USE WITHIN THE CITY.
SO, THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
THERE'S USUALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A REAL LIMIT TO THAT, BUT WE WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN INCOME.
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I THINK IT'S THREE OR FOUR WE WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE ON THE LIST.WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MS. PRINCE ON WHAT ARE THE REGULATIONS, DO WE NEED TO GO FOR PURCHASING POLICIES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO, WE'RE WORKING OUT THOSE DETAILS.
BUT I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT IF YOU GO THROUGH A THIRD PARTY REVIEWER, THERE IS A TIMELINE THAT WE HAVE THAT WE HAVE TO TURN AND BURN WHEN THEY SUBMIT.
AND OUR CHECKS ARE LIMITED ON HOW FAR WE CAN GO INTO IT.
SO, YOU ALL ARE WELL AWARE OF THE DYNAMIC OF THE LOCAL CONTROL AND ALL OF THAT.
AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER STEP IN THAT PROCESS.
WE WILL COMPLY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR JOB IS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KEEP YOU INFORMED.
WE ARE HOPING AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH ALL OF OUR LOBBYISTS AND EVERYTHING TO DEAL WITH HOUSE BILL 180 BECAUSE THAT CONTINUES TO CAUSE US CHALLENGES.
THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN CITIES WHO HAD THEIR COMP PLAN REJECTED BECAUSE OF HB 180.
AND WE DECIDED LONG AGO WE WOULD KEEP MARCHING BECAUSE THE STATE HAS THIS REQUIREMENT AND THIS REQUIREMENT PUTS US IN THE MIDDLE.
SO, WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP ON MOVING.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THE DOOR BEFORE WE DO.
SO, WE'LL HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF THAT.
AND OUR LOBBYISTS AND OUR ATTORNEY KEEP US UP TO SPEED ON WHAT'S GOING ON.
I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AMENDMENT 3.
SARAH'S DONE SOME GREAT PRESENTATIONS.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, YOU CAN LOOK AT THEIR LAST WORKSHOP.
THE LAST WORKSHOP WE DID ON SEPTEMBER 1ST.
SHE GOES THROUGH THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS STEP BY STEP.
WE ALSO DID THAT IN TERMS OF OUR STAFF.
THEY'VE SEEN SIMILAR THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
AND SARAH'S ALWAYS, SHE WILL ALWAYS BE OPEN TO TALKING TO ANYBODY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
I THINK THE THING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT HOW IT IMPACTS HOW WE DO OUR WORK, YOU CAN SEE ON THE PERMIT SUMMARY YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF US, TO THE POINT EARLIER FROM BOARD MEMBER GILLETTE, IS THAT OUR PERMITS ARE DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY.
OUR REVENUE, BECAUSE OUR BUILDING IS STILL ON PERMIT REVENUE.
SO WE HAVE MADE ALTERATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THE NEED, BUT CONTINUING TO STAY WITHIN OUR REVENUE TARGETS.
WE WOULD EXPECT THAT THE BUILDING WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED DIRECTLY BY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BY AMENDMENT 3.
BUT WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THE SURGES.
THAT'S THE CHALLENGE OF THE BUSINESS.
AND MARGARET CAN SPEAK TO IT IN HER CAREER, RIGHT? IT GOES LIKE THIS.
AND THAT'S THE CHALLENGE OF COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENTS, IS THAT YOU HAVE STAFF UP AND THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU MANAGE THAT? SO TO THE THIRD PARTY THING, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE IN RESERVE IN OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS WELL, TO BE ABLE TO PLAN FOR THAT.
THE AMENDMENT 3 WILL PROBABLY NOT LIKELY IMPACT OUR THREE DEPARTMENTS DRASTICALLY, BECAUSE WE ARE A DIRECT SERVICE, BUT WE ARE ALSO ABOUT REGULATION.
AND THE REGULATION IS STILL OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
SO WHEN AND IF THAT STARTS TO HAPPEN, I CERTAINLY WILL COME BACK AND REPORT TO YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE IMPACTS WILL BE MORE DRASTIC IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY THAN IT WILL BE IN THIS WORK.
THE NEXT PART, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT CITY VIEW, BECAUSE IT RELATES TO ALL OF THAT.
WE WENT LIVE ON AUGUST 31ST WITH THE SYSTEM, SO IT IS UP AND WORKING.
IT'S NOT WORKING PERFECTLY YET.
BUT I WOULD SAY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHEN WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS, WHEN I STARTED WORKING ON IT LAST OCTOBER, THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF HOPE WITHIN THE CITY STAFF THAT WE'D EVER DELIVER.
SO, AND IT'S TO THE CREDIT OF THE CITY STAFF, AND PLANNING HAD A BIG PART IN MAKING THAT HAPPEN.
IT IS A PERMIT SOFTWARE, SO IT IS ANCHORED IN BUILDING IS THE MAIN PLACE IT'S ANCHORED.
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DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE SAME COIN BASICALLY, SO IT'S VERY SYNERGISTIC THERE.OVER THE LAST SIX WEEKS, THE STAFF HAS PUT IN A HUGE AMOUNT OF WORK TO GET TO THIS POINT.
THEY SPENT TWO WEEKS BEFORE WE WENT LIVE IN TRAINING.
SO IN ADDITION TO TRYING TO DO THEIR DAILY JOB THAT ARE IN TRAINING, SOME OF THEM WERE IN TRAINING FOR FIVE DAYS STRAIGHT, FOUR DAYS.
SO IT WAS A VERY INTENSIVE PIECE OF PROCESSING.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT THAT'S TYPICAL OF AN IMPLEMENTATION.
IT TAKES ABOUT SIX WEEKS TO REALLY GET IN THE GROOVE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE INSTITUTED, IT WAS PART OF THE PLAN FROM THE BEGINNING, AND I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A SUCCESS, IS WE HAVE BROUGHT IN THE USERS.
SO WE BROUGHT IN THE CONTRACTORS AND THE BUILDERS, AND WE'VE HAD TIME IN THIS ROOM.
WE ALSO DO IT VIRTUALLY WHERE WE HELP THEM SIGN UP, AND WE GET THEM STARTED IN THE PROGRAM.
AND THAT, I WOULD SAY, HAS BEEN ONE OF OUR MOST SUCCESSFUL PIECES OF THIS IMPLEMENTATION, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS PROBLEMS, RIGHT? A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS ARE NOT IN COMPUTERS EVERY DAY.
THEY'RE JUST DOING THEIR JOBS, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH OUR PROCESS.
SO BEING ABLE TO BRING THEM IN HERE, SIT WITH THEM, WALK THEM THROUGH THEIR FIRST PERMITS, MAKE SURE THAT THE CURRENT PERMITS THEY HAD CAME OVER, ALL THAT STUFF HAS BEEN A BIG SUCCESS.
OUR KIND OF FINAL PIECE IS, AT SIX WEEKS AFTER IMPLEMENTATION, WE DO A HIGH-LEVEL ADMINISTRATOR TRAINING, WHICH IS ALL OF OUR SUPER USERS AND OUR IT DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR MIDDLE OF OCTOBER, AND THAT USUALLY IS THE WRAP-UP OF GO-LIVE IMPLEMENTATION.
IT DEPENDS ON WHICH STAFF YOU TALK TO, WHICH DAY.
BUT I GENERALLY PUT THIS AS A B-PLUS OR A A-MINUS IMPLEMENTATION.
I'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF THEM, ESPECIALLY WHERE WE STARTED.
THIS PROCESS TOOK THREE YEARS TO GET IMPLEMENTED.
A LOT OF IT WAS ON THE PRODUCT OWNERS THAT YOU VIEW.
BUT I WILL SAY THEY WORK RIGHT ALONGSIDE WITH US OVER THE LAST THREE MONTHS, SO WE APPRECIATE THEM AS A PARTNER.
I WILL SAY, EVERYONE, ONCE YOU GET INTO IT, YOU WILL FIND THAT IT'S DEFINITELY A BETTER SYSTEM THAN WHAT WE HAD.
AND THE KEY PART IS WE TALK A LOT ABOUT EFFICIENCIES.
THE PUBLIC, THAT'S ALL THE RAGE NOW BECAUSE OF AMENDMENT 3.
THIS IS ONE THAT IS A HUGE EFFICIENCY.
THE OLD SYSTEM THAT WE WERE USING WOULD CRASH AFTER EVERY 15 MINUTES.
YOU HAD TO HIT REFRESH, REFRESH, REFRESH ALL THE TIME.
ALL OF THAT STUFF WAS GOING ON, LET ALONE JUST THE TIME YOU'RE TAKING, BUT THE FRUSTRATION LEVEL.
ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS FIRST IMPLEMENTATION PHASE, I THINK EVERYONE IN OUR TEAM IS GOING TO RELAX.
THE USERS WILL GET USED TO IT, AND WE WON'T HAVE THOSE PROBLEMS. AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT WE WOULD SEE OUR EFFICIENCY GO IMPROVE AT LEAST 30% ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
MAYBE MORE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD EXPECT ON THIS IMPLEMENTATION BECAUSE THE OLD SYSTEM WAS SO WELL.
THOSE ARE KIND OF THE THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON AT THIS POINT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU GAVE AN UPDATED, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT DOES SOMETHING LIKE CITI COST? IT COSTS THE CITY APPROXIMATELY $600,000 TO IMPLEMENT, WHICH IS IN THE MIDDLE RANGE.
IS THERE ONGOING FEES? THERE'S AN ONGOING FEE OF, IT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT $60,000 TO THE LICENSING TO KEEP US GOING.
THAT DOES ESCALATE EVERY SO OFTEN.
AND PART OF THAT, WE GET SUPPORT AND WE GET THE UPDATES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE MOVING.
AND PART OF THAT SUPPORT IS US BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY PROBLEMS THAT END UP BEING OTHER CUSTOMERS' PROBLEMS AND TO DO THEIR TECHNOLOGY FIXES WE ALREADY IDENTIFIED ON THIS IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS.
SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT.
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THAT I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE DEALING WITH IT THE RIGHT WAY.PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE TECHNOLOGY IS NO LONGER A HELP, IT'S A BURDEN.
PEOPLE ARE GETTING EXPOSED TO SO MUCH SO FAST AND THEY DON'T SEE THE SUPPORT BEHIND IT.
SO I THINK THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO IS GET PEOPLE TO BUY INTO IT IN TERMS OF THIS IS AN ASSET, THIS IS GOING TO BE BETTER.
BECAUSE I THINK IT'S NOT JUST THIS, IT'S ALMOST ANYWHERE.
YOU CAN CHANGE A PHONE NUMBER IN SOME COMPUTER SYSTEM.
IT TAKES YOU FOUR HOURS TO DO SOMETHING THAT USED TO TAKE TWO MINUTES.
SO I THINK THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS TRY AND GET PEOPLE TO BUY IN ON IT.
AND THAT'S THE USERS AND SAY, HEY, THIS TRULY IS A FACILITY.
BUT LET THE LEARNING CURVE BE ONCE THEY'RE DOWN THERE IN WHAT I CALL HIGH GROUND IN THE SENSE OF EASE OF GETTING THE JOB DONE.
THEY SAY, YEAH, I'VE GOT TO GO DO THIS.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE STAFF ORIGINALLY FIXED THIS SYSTEM IS BECAUSE IT IS MUCH MORE USER FRIENDLY, ESPECIALLY ON THE FAR END.
AND THEN KEEPING THE SYSTEM UPDATED.
GOVERNMENT IS INFAMOUS FOR NOT KEEPING UP WITH TECHNOLOGY.
AND SO THAT MEANS IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO, THEN WE NEED TO KEEP ALL THE UPDATES AND KEEP THE SYSTEM WORKING AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL POSSIBLE.
IS THERE A HISTORIC UPDATE? THERE SHE IS.
HAVEN'T SEEN YOU GUYS IN A WHILE.
YEAH, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? WELL, I'LL TELL YOU.
WELL, I'VE BEEN, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, I'M THE HCC STAFF LIAISON.
SO I WORK WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL ALL THE TIME.
AND LAST MEETING, YOUR AUGUST MEETING, I WAS IN TALLAHASSEE WITH MCKENNA.
AND WE ATTENDED A MEETING IN THE DIVISION OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES IN TALLAHASSEE.
THEY WERE REVIEWING NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATIONS.
AND OUR CEMETERY OF OSCEVELO WAS ON THAT LIST TO BE HEARD BY THE REVIEW BOARD AT THE STATE LEVEL.
AND WE WERE THERE JUST SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THAT APPLICATION AND URGED THE REVIEW BOARD TO FORWARD IT TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHICH THEY DID SUCCESSFULLY.
SO NOW IT IS IN THE HANDS OF THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.
AND THEY WILL BE REVIEWING IT, I THINK, IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY THEY'LL ACCEPT THAT NOMINATION.
OSCEVELO IS ON ITS WAY TO BEING LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
SO IT'S A VERY EXCITING UPDATE.
OTHER THAN THAT, THE HCC HAS BEEN HARD AT WORK, PROBABLY CARRYING ON AVERAGE NINE CASES A MONTH FOR THE PAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS.
SO THERE'S LOTS OF ACTIVITY HERE IN THE CRA, DOWNTOWN, AND IN OLD TOWN.
I WANTED TO SHARE IT WITH YOU GUYS TONIGHT.
IN JULY, THE HCC FORWARDED THEIR HISTORIC GUIDELINES TO THE COMMISSION FOR ADOPTION.
AND I JUST WANT TO DO A LITTLE COMPUTER ACTIVITY.
I KNOW WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY.
BUT THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS, AND IT'S FOR ANYONE WATCHING AT HOME, TO ACCESS OUR NEW HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES.
SO IF YOU COULD, ON YOUR COMPUTER, IF YOU COULD GO TO OUR CITY WEBSITE, SBFL.US.
AND WE HAVE KIND OF A NEW WEBSITE NOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN UPDATED.
YOU'RE AT THE RIGHT SPOT FROM WHAT I CAN SEE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT USED TO BE.
I JUST DO CITY IN FRONT OF THE BEACH, BOOP, IT COMES UP.
ONCE YOU'RE THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HOVER OVER THE YOUR GOVERNMENT TAB.
AND THEN IN THE DEPARTMENT COLUMN, GO DOWN TO PLANNING AND CONSERVATION.
WE'VE GOT MARGARET, YOU'RE FOLLOWING ALONG? AND YOU CLICK ON THE PLANNING AND CONSERVATION.
AND ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN ON THAT LIST, THERE'S A TAB CALLED HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
YOU'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLICK ON THAT.
AND THEN IN THE TOP LEFT-HAND CORNER RIGHT THERE IS THE ICON, AND IT'S LABELED DESIGN GUIDELINES.
YOU CAN DO IT ANYTIME WITH OUR NEW DOCUMENT.
SO THEN YOU HAVE THREE HYPERLINKS HERE.
AND THESE ARE THE THREE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR OUR DESIGN AREAS.
SO WE HAVE THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE HAVE OLD TOWN PRESERVATION DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES.
AND THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA DESIGN GUIDELINES.
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OF GUIDELINES.YOU GUYS ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THESE ANYTIME.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
BUT THAT VERY TOP LINK WAS THE DOCUMENT THAT WE JUST UPDATED IN JULY 2026.
WELL, LET ME JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT OLD TOWN PRESERVATION, DOES THIS LINK YOU BACK TO PARAGRAPHS WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SO THEY NEED TO GO LOOK, ACTUALLY LOOK AT WHAT'S IN THE LDC? YES.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPARE THE INFORMATION IN THE LDC TO THE OLD TOWN PRESERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES, BUT THEY'RE MOSTLY ALIGNED.
BUT THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE DOCUMENT, THE OLD TOWN PRESERVATION GUIDELINES.
AND THOSE, ALL THREE OF THESE DOCUMENTS ARE ADOPTED BY REFERENCE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO THEY'RE INTEGRATED INTO THE LDC AND SERVE THAT KIND OF SAME FUNCTION.
OUR LAST HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES WERE LAST UPDATED IN 2013, SO ABOUT 13 YEARS AGO.
SO THE REFRESH WAS MUCH NEEDED, AND THE HTC WORKED FOR PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR ON GETTING THIS READY TO BE ADOPTED AND RECOMMENDED TO THE COMMISSION.
INSTEAD OF A LETTER KIND OF PORTRAIT STYLE, IT'S BIG 11 BY 17 LANDSCAPE STYLE.
THERE'S A LOT MORE INFORMATION ON THERE.
AND THE GOAL OF THESE GUIDELINES WAS TO MAKE IT MORE USABLE FOR PROPERTY OWNERS, FOR CITY STAFF, FOR THE HTC, FOR VISITORS TO UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY THE IMPORTANCE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, BUT HOW THEY CAN SUPPORT THE PRESERVATION OF OUR EXISTING HISTORICAL RESOURCES AND HOW THEY MIGHT CONTRIBUTE IN THE FUTURE TO THE CHARACTER OF OUR HISTORIC PLACE.
YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO LOOK THROUGH IT.
I THINK IT'S WAY MORE USER-FRIENDLY THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING FROM BEFORE.
AND THEN SINCE UPDATING THIS DOCUMENT WAS SUCH A HEAVY LIFT WITH THE HTC, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THERE WERE MANY MEETINGS, MANY KIND OF ITERATIONS AND DRAFTS OF IT.
WE KIND OF COMMITTED WITH THE HTC EVERY WINTER, SO NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, WHEN CASES KIND OF SLOW DOWN, IT'S KIND OF THE HOLIDAYS, PEOPLE DON'T REALLY WANT TO TAKE CASES TO THE HTC IN THE WINTERTIME.
BUT WE DECIDED THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO A REFRESH OF IT EVERY YEAR, JUST BECAUSE IT IS SO EXTENSIVE.
SO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WE DISCOVERED ISSUES OR MAYBE THINGS THAT AREN'T REALLY ALIGNING OR WORKING OUT.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE WINTERTIME IN EVERY YEAR TO KIND OF REVISIT THIS DOCUMENT AND MAKE INCREMENTAL CHANGES INSTEAD OF OVERHAULING IT EVERY 10 OR SO YEARS.
I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO GET WHERE YOU ARE? IT ACTUALLY HAD STARTED BEFORE I STARTED A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAD THIS DRAFT, AND THE HTC WASN'T ABLE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL BECAUSE THERE WERE MANY ISSUES IN IT.
AND DUE TO STAFFING CAPABILITIES AT THAT TIME, THEY COULDN'T REALLY WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.
SO ON MY FIRST DAY ON THE JOB, THIS WAS ACTUALLY ON MY DESK, UNADOPTED.
SO I KNEW THAT THE DOCUMENT HAD A LOT OF VALUE TO OFFER, AND THERE WAS ABOUT MAYBE LIKE 150 CHANGES THAT WE WENT AND MADE WITH THE HTC TO GET THEM TO A POINT WHERE THEY WERE COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
AND THEN ONCE THEY DID, WE TOOK IT RIGHT TO THE COMMISSION.
WE WORKED WITH MARKWOOD, WADSWORTH, AND HOLBECK.
THEY ARE A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FIRM OUT OF NEW AUGUSTINE.
AND WE RE-ENGAGED WITH THEM TO HELP MAKE SOME OF THOSE EDITS, AND I ALSO HAVE LEARNED TO IDENTIFY WITH THAT ONE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
WELL, WE DID THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE LAST TIME, SO THERE REALLY WASN'T MORE TO ADD.
AS DEPUTY CITY MANAGER KRAMOFF HAS SAID, THE BALLOT INITIATIVE, LAST WHEN I WAS BEFORE YOU, THERE WAS A COURT CHALLENGE ON THE LANGUAGE, AND THE LEGISLATURE WAS DIRECTED TO REWRITE IT, AND THEY SUCCESSFULLY REWROTE THE LANGUAGE, AND IT IS GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT.
AND IT WILL BE AN INITIATIVE TO ELIMINATE 150,000 IN THE FIRST YEAR OF VALUE AND THEN IN THE SECOND YEAR GIVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION OF 250,000.
AND THEN THE DIRECTION, AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, THE DIRECTION IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT IS THAT THEN THE LEGISLATURE IS TO GO FORTH AND CREATE LEGISLATION TO TAKE UP TO THE FULL AMOUNT OF ASSESSMENTS, OF ABLUM TAXES.
SO IF IT PASSES, IT DOESN'T COMPLETELY ELIMINATE.
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IT'S YEAR ONE, YEAR TWO, AND THEN YEAR THREE AND BEYOND ARE UNKNOWN AS TO WHAT WILL HAPPEN.IT DOES TAKE 60% OR MORE, SO AS LONG AS IT HITS 60%, IT WOULD PASS.
AND THEN THE OTHER INFORMATION, NOW THAT YOU TRUST THE LINK, YOU'LL SEE ALL THE BILLS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
THE ONE BILL THAT HAS THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO START ON REGARDING RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AND NEIGHBORHOOD IS, I BELIEVE IT'S, JUST LOOKING AT IT, 399 WHEN YOU GET INTO THAT LINK.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER BILL, 803, THAT WE WENT OVER THAT YOU'LL SEE BECAUSE THE PRESENTATION WAS ALSO SENT TO YOU BY MY OFFICE.
I THINK I SENT IT, AND THEN SYLVIE SENT IT AS WELL.
TWO NAMES YOU DID RECOGNIZE, SO YOU PROBABLY OPENED IT.
AND IN THE PRESENTATION IT HAS ALL THE BILLS THAT I REFERENCED AND THE LINK THAT WE SENT YOU HAS ALL THE BILLS.
BUT SOME OF THEM, BEFORE YOU HIT PRINT, ARE 50 AND 60 PAGES.
AND SO THE KEY FOR YOU, IF YOU CAN WORD SEARCH IT, IS ONE, BUT ALWAYS LOOK FOR, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR 166, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MUNICIPAL.
BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES HALF OF THE BILL IS ABOUT THE COUNTY AND THE OTHER HALF IS ABOUT THE CITY.
SO GET YOURSELF TO THE CITY PORTION OF THE BILL.
THAT'LL HELP YOU IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE EXACT WORDS.
BECAUSE WE DID DISCUSS LAST TIME, AS DEPUTY CITY MANAGER KHROMOV MENTIONED, WE WILL BE USING THESE PRIVATE PROVIDERS AND THEY CAN DO PRELIMINARY PLAN REVIEW.
THEY'LL ALSO BE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH PLAT REVIEW.
THAT DOES EXPEDITE THE CITY'S REVIEW PROCESSES.
SO WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH IMPLEMENTING THAT IN JANUARY 1, BUT YOU CAN LAY YOUR EYES ON THE EXACT LANGUAGE IN THE BILL IF YOU'RE CURIOUS.
SAME, YOU ARE VERY EXPERIENCED, SO I'M TELLING YOU SOMETHING YOU ALREADY KNOW, THAT SAME STRIKE THROUGH AND UNDERLINE.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE UNDERLINE LANGUAGE.
THAT'S ALL THE NEW THAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY.
AND MOST EVERYTHING THAT WE WENT THROUGH WITH YOU WAS A JANUARY 1,2027 DATE.
SO I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THE UPDATE ON THE BALLOT INITIATIVE FOR NOVEMBER.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? AND NOW THAT I KNOW YOU DIDN'T TRUST THE LINK, I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE BILLS, WE WENT OVER IT LAST TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING FROM LAST TIME? WE WENT OVER SEVERAL BILLS.
LIVE LOCAL, I INCLUDED THAT IN THERE, ALL THE CHANGES TO LIVE LOCAL.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM LAST MONTH? OKAY.
AND AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT 399 AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH IS TO DEFINE THIS RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AND MITIGATING FACTORS THAT WOULD ALLOW IT TO BE COMPLIANT.
AND SO THAT LEGISLATION WILL BE REALLY DIRECTING THAT FIRST PART OF YOUR DISCUSSION.
BECAUSE NOT ONLY DOES IT HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING DONE TO TECHNICALLY HAVE IT ADOPTED BY JANUARY 1.
IT WOULD NEED TO BE ON, YOU KNOW, A NOVEMBER AGENDA AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL.
SO THIS PROCESS WILL BE MOVING FORWARD VERY QUICKLY.
BECAUSE THE NEXT MEETING IS OCTOBER.
AND THEN 103.05 IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE IMPACTED AS WELL.
BECAUSE 103.05 DOES DEPEND ON THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO BY DEFINING IT IN THE COMP PLAN AND ALSO LOOKING AT THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF THAT BILL, THAT WILL HELP US REDEFINE 103.05 TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN.
BECAUSE THIS COMPLICATION THAT WE RUN IN TANDEM, THE EAR AMENDMENTS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS AND SUBMITTING THAT, WE MAY BE SUBMITTING RIGHT AT THE TIME THAT THAT SB 180 IS GOING TO EXPIRE WITH NO HURRICANES THIS YEAR.
BUT IF WE WANTED TO TRY AND FIX OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BY JANUARY 1, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE FACING SB 180 CHALLENGES AS WELL BECAUSE IF IT'S MAKING IT MORE RESTRICTIVE.
BUT YET WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THE DIRECTIVE OF THE LEGISLATURE TO SAY WE DO IT BY JANUARY 1.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING THOSE DECISIONS AS WELL AS WE GO FORWARD WITH AMENDING OUR CODE TO COMPLY WITH THESE NEW REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY'VE ASKED US TO.
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WE'RE JUST GOING TO PLOW FORWARD AND DO WHAT THEY TELL US TO DO.WE'LL CITE THE SECTION OF THE STATUTE.
AS YOU TOLD US TO DO IT IN HERE.
SCOTT, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YOU'RE THE ONLY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HERE.
OH, AND WELCOME TO OUR NEW COMMISSIONER-ELECT.
THANK YOU, SCOTT ENGLIS, 61 OAK GROVE PLACE.
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JUST TAKING IT ALL IN, TRYING TO LEARN.I APPRECIATE THE VOLUNTEER EFFORT THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.
AND IT WAS AN HONOR TO FIGURE OUT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING.
REMINDS ME OF HOW I WORKED FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
NOW I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
AND ONE OF MY THINGS IS I AM REALLY BIG ON WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TO GET SYSTEM EXPERTS IN MY MIND.
AND THEN THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSIONER SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AND NOT DISMISSING.
SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR YOU, FOR Y'ALL, FOR THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT BOARD, THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS WANT TO GIVE YOU.
AND THEN LISTEN TO WHAT YOU SAY BECAUSE YOU'RE THE SYSTEM EXPERTS ON IT.
IT'S BEEN IMPORTANT WORKING WITH YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE'RE GOOD.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.