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>> WELCOME. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALSO ON A PERSONAL NOTE I HAVE VISITORS HERE.

MY SISTER-IN-LAW IS FROM THE PHILIPPINES AND SHE HAS FAMILY MEMBERS VISITING FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND HER FRAUDULENT WASHINGTON STATE.

YOU GOT THE WHOLE GLOBE COVERED. WE HAD A COUPLE OF PRESENTATIONS. ONE WE HAD TO COUNCIL.

THE DOG OF THE MONTH WE COVER FOR ADOPTION.

SOMEBODY HAD THE FLU I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS THE HANDLER OR DOG. SOMEBODY GOT SICK SO THEY WON'T

[Item 4.2]

BE HERE TONIGHT. ITEM 4.2 AND THE MAYOR IS HERE

TO UPDATE US. >> THANK YOU FOR GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE.

WE FELT FROM THE BEGINNING WE HAVE FELT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS MANY FOLKS FROM THE PUBLIC AS POSSIBLE HEAR ABOUT OUR DISCUSSIONS, HOUR THOUGHTS AND WHERE WE'RE GOING MOVING FORWARD. AND WE BELIEVE THAT COMING HERE AND KEEPING YOU ALL INFORMED IS PART OF THAT EFFORT.

AT THIS POINT, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR, CERTAINLY WE'VE MET WITH THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND WE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THAT AT OUR JOINT MEETING.

WE MET WITH YOU AND THE CHARTER OFFICERS.

THERE SEEM TO BE CONFLICTING STATEMENTS REGARDING WHETHER SERVE CLEAR ON THE LINES OF RESPONSIBILITY AND WHERE THINGS BREAK DOWN BETWEEN COMMISSIONERS AND CHARTER OFFICERS, CITY STAFF ETC. AS A RESULT OF THAT WE'VE DETERMINED THAT TO REALLY SIZE THAT PROBLEM TO DETERMINE IF IT'S REAL OR A PERCEPTION. SO THAT IS OUR PLAN.

OUR DECISION ONE DECISION HAS DEFINITELY BEEN MADE WHICH IS TO CONTINUE WITH OUR CURRENT FORM OF GOVERNMENT, CITY MANAGER AND COMMISSION GOVERNMENT AS OPPOSED TO STRONG MAYOR WHICH HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP BY SPECIFICALLY BY SOME PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC AS MAYBE A BETTER APPROACH. SO SIGNIFICANT CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. AND WE DETERMINED THAT THAT WOULD BE SUCH A MASS I HAVE CHANGE FOR THIS COMMUNITY THAT WE PROBABLY AREN'T READY TO DO THAT WITH AS MUCH AS WE HAVE ON THE PLATE RIGHT NOW. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH

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WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON. THOSE DISCUSSIONS AROUND ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES HAVE UNDERSCORED THE DEFINITION THAT NEED TO BE THERE FOR FOLKS WHERE THOSE LINES REALLY EXIST AND WHERE THEY SHOULD NOT BE CROSSED.

SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'VE EMPLOYEE SURVEY WILL GIVE US MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. OUR NEXT MEETING IS NEXT WEEK WHERE WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THOSE CHANGES AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE NEXT SECTION OF THE CHARTER.

WE ALSO ASKED WHETHER -- DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION INNAUGHT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC WHETHER IT'S BEEN IN PERSON OR WHETHER IT'S BEEN BY EMAIL, THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME PLACES WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NOT A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OR A DIFFERENCE IN UNDERSTANDING AMONG SOME PEOPLE ABOUT WHERE CERTAIN WHETHER IT'S ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, WHETHER IT'S AUTHORITY, WHETHER IT'S WHO DOES WHAT IN THE CITY. THAT THERE IS SOME PLACES WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE MORE CLARITY AT THE CHARTER LEVEL.

OTHER LACK OF CLARITY MIGHT RESIDE IN DIFFERENT PLACES AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHAT THAT IS AND PROVIDE THAT AS PART OF OUR DELIVERABLE.

ANOTHER COMMON THEME HAS BEEN WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED A CODE OF ETHICS. AND IF SO FOR WHOM? IS IT FOR COMMISSIONERS? IS IT FOR CHARTER OFFICERS? DO WE NEED IT AT ALL? ONE FINDING HAS BEEN THAT THE STATE LEVEL WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONSIDERED THE RULING BIBLE FOR CODE OF ETHICS AT THIS LEVEL WHAT WE'VE DETERMINED IS THAT THE ONLY THING THEY RULE IS A VIOLATION OF ETHICS CODE IS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL HAVE PERSONAL BENEFIT, PERSONAL GAIN.

SOME OF OUR DISCUSSION HAS NOT BEEN RELATED TO PERSONAL GAIN SO THERE IS MORE DISCUSSION PROBABLY AROUND THAT.

THERE IS SOME CONCERN WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE TOO FAST.

IT'S TOO IMPORTANT FOR TO US MOVE THAT QUICKLY IF WE HAVEN'T COVERED WHAT WE NEED TO COVER. I THINK I CAN KIND OF SORT OF SPEAK FOR THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE WHEN I SAY THAT I BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY IS QUITE DEDICATED.

THEY ALL SEEM VERY ENGAGED. VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT DOING A GOOD JOB WITH THIS. I DON'T THINK THAT ANYBODY IF WE WERE TO FIND OURSELF GOING LATER I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD JUST GIVE UP AND QUIT ON THAT. I THINK YOU CAN COUNT ON TO US FINISH WHAT WE STARTED OUT TO DO.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> JUST A COMMENT.

WHATEVER YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS BY JUNE WILL THEN GO TO THE PUBLIC IN THE NOVEMBER ELECTION FOR PUBLIC APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL

WHATEVER IT MAY BE. >> OK.

>> I'M JUST TRYING TO POINT OUT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE DECIDE BID PUBLIC. IN THE PAST THE PROCESS HAS BEEN THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE COME FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE TO THE COMMISSION AND THE COMMISSION HAS DECIDED WHAT IF ANY ON THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC FOR REFERENDUM. THERE IS A BIAS ON THE PART OF THE COMMITTEE HOPING THAT THE COMMISSION WILL ALLOW ANY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MAKE TO GO STRAIGHT TO REFERENDUM.

>> JUST A WRAPUP. >> TALKING ABOUT REFERENDUM ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT. ONE MY CONCERN WOULD BE THE TIMING. BECAUSE IF I RECALL THE NOTE FROM THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE

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CONSERVATION REFERENDUM, SHE WAS SAYING WE HAD TO HAVE IT BY

CORRECT ME PLEASE IS IT AUGUST? >> YES.

>> SO AUGUST. SO THAT WOULD MEAN IF I'M THINKING PROCESS, THAT WOULD MEAN YOU WOULD BRING YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE US IN JUNE.

>> YES. >> AND WE WOULD HAVE TO SORT WHICH ONES WE WERE GOING TO MOVE GUARD WHICH ONES WE WERE GOING TO REJECT AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE SUPERVISOR OF

ELECTIONS CORRECT? >> YES, SIR.

>> IF YOU ARE GOING TO DELIBERATE ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS.

WE HAVE TO VOTE. >> IT'S AN ORDINANCE THAT PASSED LIKE THE CONSERVATION LANGUAGE. THE BALLOT IT'S AN ORDINANCE.

SO SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK WE'RE THINKING OF THAT I HAVE.

PROBABLY NOT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED BUT I HAVE KNOWING THE TIMING. I FULLY INTEND TO HELP GUIDE THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE ADDRESS ALL OF THE SUBSTANTIVE IMPORTANT ISSUES LIKE WHETHER WE HAVE GROUPS OR DISTRICTS ANY LONGER, HOW WE'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR THE MAYOR.

TERM LIMITS, THINGS LIKE THAT WILL ALL BE COMPLETED NO LATER THAN THE BEGINNING OF APRIL. THAT'S MY INTENTION.

THERE ARE 136 SECTIONS OF THE CHARTER.

THERE IS A LOT OF CLEANUP THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

THIS CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE IS NOT JUST FOCUSING ON THOSE SUBSTANTIVE SECTION BUT EVERY SECTION THAT WE GET TO AND THEY HAVE CONSIDERATIONS. I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS HAVE ALL OF THE MAIN QUESTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE NO LATER THAN THE FIRST MEETING IN JUNE WOULD HAVE A PROPOSED ORDINANCE OR THE SECOND MEETING LATEST GIVING US TIME FOR THE BALLOT QUESTIONS.

IF THEY ARE WILLING OBVIOUSLY AND SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE.

>> MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE ON THE EMPLOYEE SURVEY WHO IS -- YOU ARE TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER AND YOU ARE TRYING AND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DETERMINE IS IF COLLECTIVELY OR INDIVIDUALLY DO COMMISSIONERS STEP OVER THE LINE AS FAR AS THE CHARTER IS CONCERNED IN THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH CITY STAFF.

>> THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE, YES.

I THINK THAT IN GENERAL WHAT WE'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT EVERYBODY IN THE CITY IS ON THE SAME PAGE.

AND UNDERSTANDS WHERE WE'RE GOING.

AND ALSO UNDERSTAND IF THEY FEEL THAT THERE IS INTERFERENCE WITH THAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? MY OWN PERSONAL OBJECTIVE WITH THIS SURVEY WOULD BE TO SIZE IT. WE ARE FAMOUS FOR SAYING EVERYBODY THINGS OR NOBODY THINKS.

AND USUALLY THE RIGHT ANSWER IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.

I REALLY WANT US TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH TIME WE NEED TO SPEND ON THOSE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITY CLARIFYING LANGUAGE BASED THAN SIZING. FROM THAT SURVEY.

>> ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE IS THERE A SURVEY

EXPERT. >> DO I NOT BELIEVE SO.

ONE OF OUR MEMBERS VOLUNTEERED WHICH WILL COME TO THE COMMITTEE NEXT WEEK. I'LL ASK FOR ANYBODY WHO CAN ADVISE US ON THAT WITH ANY SORT OF EXPERIENCE ON WHETHER THAT IS A VALID SET OF QUESTIONS THAT WE REALLY CAN DETERMINE ANY USEFUL INFORMATION FROM. OR WHETHER IT WOULD BE BIASED IN

ANY WAY. >> I'VE SIT AND I'LL SAY IT

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AGAIN, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW ANYTHING THE CHARTER COMMITTEE WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD IS FINE AND I WILL ENDORSE IT.

BUT THEY HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND COMPLEXITY OF THE POTENTIAL FOR IT TO PASS. I THINK WHAT IS TAMMY IS SAYING.

I WILL ENDORSE. ANYTHING THEY WANT TO DO I'LL

RECOMMEND. >> ABSOLUTELY.

I REMEMBER YOU SAYING THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL END UP TALKING ABOUT, WE HAVE TO I BELIEVE IS FOR THESE QUESTIONS ISSUES THAT GO TO THE PUBLIC , WHAT FORM OF I'LL USE THE TERM EDUCATION.

HOW WILL WE HELP THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REAL ISSUE IS THAT WE'RE ASKING ABOUT AND BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE THINGS WE GET FROM THE STATE TO VOTE ON ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, I'M VERY CONFUSED BY MOST OF THAT LANGUAGE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST ME. IF WE CAN PROVIDE ANY SORT OF SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION TO THEM THAT WE ARE PREPARED TO DO THAT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ITEM 5.

[Item 5]

PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

I HAVE ONE REQUEST TO SPEAK. MR. PETE STEPHENSON.

WELCOME SIR. GOOD EVENING.

THERE IS FIVE WORDS IN THE DICTIONARY THEY REALLY LIKE.

THEY ARE THANK YOU, JOB WELL DOESN'T I THINK THAT APPLIES TO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT OCCURRED RECENTLY.

ONE OF THEM SATURDAY WE DID THE RISE AGAINST HUNGER PROGRAM.

DID 59,000 MEALS IN 75 MINUTES. WHICH WAS A COMMUNITY EFFORT.

A COUNTY EFFORT. WE GOT ASSISTANCE FROM THE CITY TO USE THE REC CENTER. ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS WHO WAS THERE FOR THE WHOLE DURATION IT WAS SECOND VOLUNTEER TO SHOW UP IN THE MORNING AND ABOUT THE LAST TO LEAVE IN THE AFTERNOON.

THAT'S A BIG THANK YOU. IT'S A THANK YOU TO THE COMMUNITY. WE MAY HAVE SET A RECORD.

WE ARE CLOSE TO SETTING A RECORD FOR THE MOST MEALS A MINUTE.

THE SECOND ITEM I WANT TO THANK YOU IS DUE.

THAT IS GO DOWN CENTER STREET AND LOOKED AT THE NEW SIGNAGE.

I THINK ALL THE EFFORTS THAT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE FROM THE CITY DID WITH THE NEW SIGNAGE, I GIVE A GREAT BIG THUMBS UP.

IT LOOKS GREAT. LET'S RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN DOWNTOWN LOOKS BETTER EVERY DAY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? >> ON THE SECTION 6.

[Consent Agenda]

CONSENT AGENDA. DOES ANYBODY WANT ANYTHING MOVED FOR DISCUSSION OR DO I HAVE A MOTION?

>> PULL 63. >> RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF 61 AND

62. >> HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

CALL THE VOTE PLEASE.

[Item 6.3]

>> ITEM 63 HAS BEEN PULLED. >>

>> I PULL THIS AS A POSITIVE EFFORT TO ALLOW EXPOLICE STATION EXPLANATION OFIT. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THE ISSUES

WE RECENTLY HAD IN OLD TOWN. >> GOOD EVENING.

HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNER FOR THE CITY.

THIS GRANT IS A SMALL MATCHING GRANT FROM THE STATE.

IT IS TO -- IT'S THREE PARTS. INTRODUCING 3D MODELING OF OLD TOWN. USING THAT TO DO AN ANALYSIS AND ULTIMATELY THAT INFORMATION FROM THAT ANALYSIS TO DO A NEW PUBLICATION THAT WILL SERVE AS OUR OLD TOWN GUIDELINES.

THINK ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING AROUND THIS TIME, THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION UNTIL 2015 IN OLD TOWN AND THEN IT EXPLODED AND NOW WE HAVE A BUILDING BOOM OUT THERE.

IT'S REALLY BEEN BETWEEN 2015 AND NOW REALLY THEY'VE BEEN PUT

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TO THE TEST AS FAR AS WITH OUR BOARD AND WITH THE CITIZENS AND HOW THEY USE THEM. WE THINK WE HAVE GOOD FEEDBACK ON HOW TO IMPROVE THEM. THIS WILL GIVE US A CHANCE TO ANALYZE WHAT WORKED WELL ABOUT THE GUIDELINES, WHAT ISN'T WORKING AND ADDRESS THOSE AND COME ONE A DOCUMENT THAT IS EASIER TO READ AND EASIER TO UNDERSTAND FOR THE HISTORY OF OLD TOWN AND NEW CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT.

I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYBODY HAS ANY.

>> I RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> I'M SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> SECTION 7.

[Item 7.1]

RESOLUTION. 7.1.

THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL PLAT APPROVAL FOR VERNON AVENUE AND

13TH STREETS. >> THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING. WE WILL DO AN OATH TO ANY OF THE PARTIES WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE CITY, MRS. GIBSON WILL REPRESENT THE CITY. AND THEN IS IT MRS. PRINCE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. WE ARE MAKING AN AUDIO AND VIDEO RECORDING OF TONIGHT'S MEETING. AND THEY WILL BOTH TAKE AN OATH.

IF THERE ARE ANY EFFECTIVE PARTIES THAT WISH TO TESTIFY IN THE CASE, YOU'LL IDENTIFY YOURSELF AS AN EFFECTIVE PARTY.

THERE IS NO TIME LIMIT. YOU WILL BE INTRODUCING EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY. THE PARTIES MAY CALL WITNESSES AND MAY CROSS-EXAMINE EACH OTHER'S WITNESSES.

IF THERE IS AN APPEAL THAT WOULD BE FILED OF THIS HEARING, YOU FILE THAT APPEAL WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE WRITTEN FINDINGS OF FACT.

WE DO COMMIT THOSE KINDINGS OF FACT TO WRITING WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS. THEN APPEAL IS 30 DAYS FROM THERE SO ABOUT 35 DAYS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

WE NEED THE OATH. >> ANYONE GOING TO OFFER TESTIMONY IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE FACTUAL STATEMENTS AND REPRESENTATIONS WHICH YOU ARE ABOUT TO PRESENT TO THIS COMMISSION DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE TRUTHFUL AND ACCURATE? THANK YOU.

>> I REMIND THE PARTIES AND WITNESSES AND THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ONLY COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE CAN BE USED FOR YOU TO MAKE YOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AND ULTIMATELY YOUR CONCLUSIONS OF LAW. TONIGHT IT'S A RESOLUTION SO THERE WILL NOT BE A SECOND READING.

SO WE WILL VOTE TONIGHT UNLESS YOU CONTINUE.

>> ANY EX PARTE CONVERSATIONS. >> OH GOODNESS.

HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HABITAT WITH HUMANITY W THEIR ATTORNEY, WITH THEIR ARCHITECT, BEEN TO MEETINGS WHERE THIS HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.

DID I MISS ANYTHING? AND THE ENGINEER.

>> AND JUST BRIEFLY BECAUSE SORT OF THE SUBSTANCE.

I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A LOT. BUT THE SUBSTANCE OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DISCLOSE.

>> THE SUBSTANCE , WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

>> THE PLANS. >> THE PLAN.

>> NO. >> NO.

>> YES. TALKED TO HABITAT.

I THINK I PROBABLY TALKED TO THE ATTORNEY.

I PROBABLY TALKED TO THE ENGINEER ABOUT THE FUNDING, THE DONATION OF THE MONEY FOR THE LAND, ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT

THINGS I'VE TALKED ABOUT. >> I'M A NO.

>> WELCOME. >> KELLY GIBSON, PLANNING AND CONSERVATION DIRECTOR. THIS EVENING I WILL RELY ON THE EVIDENCE PROVIDED THROUGH BACKUP MATERIALS WITHIN THE AGENDA ITEM THAT IS PROVIDED BEFORE YOU. AS THE EVIDENCE FOR THE FINDINGS FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THIS PROPOSED PLAT.

IT'S A REPLAT OF EXISTING LOTS TO CREATE TOWN HOME LOTS TO BE SOLD. AND PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AT THEIR JANUARY MEETING ALSO ISSUE AID RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

AND I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL WELL DOCUMENTED WITHIN THE RESOLUTION. I'M AVAILABLE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS. I'M RELYING UPON THE STAFF REPORT AND DATA THAT WAS PROVIDED AS PART OF THIS AGENDA

I'M FOR MY PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE CITY OF FERN BEACH SCHOOL CERTIFICATE OCCURRENCE SI.

MISCUE IF YOU WOULD EXPLAIN RESOLUTION 20081-105 WHICH

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IMPLEMENTS SCHOOL CONCURRENCY AND WHO FROM THE SCHOOL IS ON THE COMMITTEE SUPPOSED TO MEET QUARTERLY AND HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET THAT CONCURRENCE SI PERMIT? I HAD SOMEBODY WORKING OVER THE WEEKEND COMPLAINING HOW LONG IT

WAS TAKING TO GET THAT. >> THE QUARTERLY MEETING WE MEET AS A GROUP MONTHLY RIGHT NOW. NOT QUARTERLY.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT DOES TAKE A LENGTHY AMOUNT OF TIME TO RECEIVE THE RESERVATION LET THEY'RE WE ISSUE THE CONCURRENCY

DETERMINATION. >> HOW LONG IS LENGTHY IS THIS? MONTHS. JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, IF YOU WANT TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THIS USUALLY WILL TAKE ANOTHER

COUPLE OF MONTHS? >> YES, IT IS SOMETHING YOU NEED TO BE AWARE AS YOU LOOK TO SUBDIVIDE PROPERTIES.

EVEN A MINOR SUBDIVISION REQUIRES A LETTER.

ANYTHING EVEN A LARGE SCALE WOULD REQUIRE BEYOND TWO A SCHOOLERS ARE VAGUES LETTER. RESERVATION LETTER.

>> ADEQUATE SCHOOL CAPACITY HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED UP TO THIS POINT IN TIME. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY KNOWN ISSUE OF SCHOOL CAPACITY UP UNTIL JANUARY OF LAST YEAR.

>> I'M PERMITTED TO DO THIS TOO SINCE I HAVE KNOWLEDGE.

AND JUST TO ADD ON TO THAT, THE SCHOOL BOARD BY STATUTE HAS AN ASSIGNED MEMBER TO THE CITY'S PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD.

IN FACT THEY HAVE A SEAT AT THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD TABLE IF THEY WISH. I THINK ONLY A FEW TIMES OVER OUR TEN NEUROHERE WHICH IS ALMOST 13 YEARS HAVE THEY ATTENDED THE MEETINGS. NEVER SITTING UP HERE THAT I REMEMBER. OCCASIONALLY SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE. THAT'S THE REASON FOR IT.

IS WHY ELSE WOULD THE SCHOOL CONCURRENCY.

SO I HAVE ATTENDED SOME OF THOSE SCHOOL GROWTH COMMITTEE MEETINGS. THE CITY PARTICIPATING IN TERMS OF WHAT CITY'S IMPACT ON GROWTH AND THE SCHOOLS IN THE CITY.

>> CERTAINLY THE SCHOOL BOARD JUST TO ADD A LITTLE MORE.

THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS BEEN APRICED OF ALL DEVELOPMENT CHANGES OVER TIME. THINGS THAT ARE TO R OCCURRING WITH LAND USE ZONING, PLAT APPROVALS.

THAT BOARD MEMBER HAS BEEN COPIED THE ENTIRE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE ON ALL PLANNING BOARD APPLICATIONS SO THERE IS AN

AWARENESS GINN TO THEM. >> KIND OF FOLLOWING UP, THEY NEVER CAME TO THE PAB. BUT AT OUR LAST JOINT MEETING THEIR COMMISSIONERS DID START ASKING ABOUT GROWTH WHEN WE SAT HERE. AND I BELIEVE THEY ASKED US AND WE SENT THEM SOME DATA ON PROJECTIONS.

IT'S LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN THEIR INTERESTED WHICH IS GOOD.

>> THAT'S A FULL TIME JOB TO DEAL WITH THAT RESOLUTION.

I MEAN REALLY FULL TIME JOB. DO THEY HAVE A FULL TIME PERSON

IS THIS. >> NOT AT THIS TIME.

>> DO THEY HAVE A HALF TIME PERSON?

>> MY UNDERSTANDING SITS GOING TO A CONSULTANT.

THEIR PRIORITY IS ADDRESS THE BACKLOG OF CASES.

AND NEGOTIATING TERMS OF MOVING THOSE FORWARD.

>> THANK YOU. >> NOBODY, MRS. PRINCE.

>> I REPRESENT HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.

I DO NOT WANT TO EVER INTERFERE WAY MOTION THAT MIGHT BE APPROVAL. I CAN SIT RIGHT BACK DOWN.

WE ARE FULLY RELYING ON THE STAFF REPORT.

SINCE I'M HERE I WILL TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK OLLAV.

YOU WAIVED FEES, PERMITTING FEES, PEOPLE HAVE DONATED THEIR TIME. THERE WERE SOME ELEMENTS THAT HAD TO BE BUILD BUT TO SOME EXTENT I'VE DONATED MY TIME.

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KELLY AND JAKE HAVE COME THROUGH AND HELPED US WITH CREATIVE WAYS TO GET THROUGH THIS SYSTEM WHEN THERE WERE A FEW SNAGS HERE AND THERE. AND DALE MARTIN AND TAMMY HAVE WORKED WITH US AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

AND THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT YOU MADE TO THIS PROJECT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. WE APPRECIATE YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

>> I'LL SECOND IT. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

CALL THE VOTE. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES CONGRATULATIONS.

[Item 7.2]

GOOD JOB. THIS IS A SOLE SOURCE VENDOR APPROVAL. THIS IS A BUDGET AMENDMENT.

>> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. THIS IS BRIEFLY INTRODUCED AT THE LAST MEETING. OFFERED A PRESENTATION TO BUILD UPON THAT PRESENTATION HOPEFULLY YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU, ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

THIS IS PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWUP CONVERSATION DUE THE WHAT WAS PRESENTED AS WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS THE REPORT.

WHAT THIS DEMONSTRATES IS FISCAL YEAR 2020.

SO SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING EVENTUALLY BY THE YEAR 2024 WE WILL ACHIEVE A POSITIVE CASH FLOW BALANCE WITH TWO OTHER ISSUES. THE DEFICIENCIES IS IN EXCESS OF $2 MILLION. AND CONTINUED SUPPORT OF THE GENERAL FUND OF $200,000 CONTINUES.

THEY RECOMMENDED YOU CONTRIBUTE MORE MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND OR YOU NEED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL REVENUE.

ONE THING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IS ADDITIONAL REVENUE.

WHAT THIS ENTAILS IS THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS A BUDGET AMENDMENT AND THE AMOUNT OF $495,000.

THIS $495,000 IS INTENDED FOR -- LET ME GO TO THIS.

IT BREAKS DOWN AS INDICATED THERE.

WE WILL MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DRIVING RANGE, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS ARE LISTED NEAR THE BOTTOM AT $30,000.

WE WILL INSTALL TOP TRACER AND THE SUPPORTING FACILITIES AT THE DRIVING RANGE FOR APPROXIMATELY $300,000.

RENOVATE THE NORTH COURSE GREENS WHICH THOSE GREENS ARE OVER 60 YEARS OLD. AND THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN RENOVATED. AND WE ALSO MAKE SOME RENOVATIONS TO THE CLUBHOUSE. THAT IS THE SUM TOTAL OF THE $495,000 REQUEST. NOW WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THAT $495,000 REQUEST? THIS IS STRETCHED OUT TO 2028.

2020 FAR LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN AGAIN DEMONSTRATES WHERE WE ARE TODAY. IF WE MAKE THE TOP TRACER IT SHOWS BY 2023 WE ARE INTO A POSITIVE NET CASH FLOW BALANCE AND BY 2027 YOU CAN SEE THAT THE GENERAL FUND SUBSIDY IS COMPLETELY ELIMINATED AND IN 2028 THE CUMULATIVE DEFICIT ITSELF IS ELIMINATED. WE CAN ACCELERATE THAT BY ONE YEAR IF WE CHANGE THE GENERAL FUND CONTRIBUTION FROM 220 WHICH IS THE CURRENT YEAR CONTRIBUTION TO THREE YEARS OF $500,000 WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY $200,000 MORE OVER THE LIFE OF THE 220 FOR SIX YEARS VERSUS 500,000 FOR THREE YEARS.

WE DO NOW REACH FISCAL INDEPENDENCE AS EARLY AS 2027.

BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS THE REQUEST FOR THE BUDGET AMENDMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $495,000. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> CAN YOU PUT BACK THE BREAK DOWN OF THE 495 FOR ME PLEASE?

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SO THE 495 IS NOT IN TOTAL ALL TOP TRACER.

>> CORRECT. >> YOU HAVE THE GREEN RENOVATION AND THE CLUBHOUSE RENOVATION AND THE RESTROOMS CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. >> SO THAT IS 165.

SO TOP TRACER IS 335. >> 330.

330 IS WHAT TOP TRACER IS GOING TO COST.

>> YES, SIR. >> THAT'S ALL IN.

>> YES, SIR. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

THANK YOU. >> ARE NOT THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN NOW?

>> NOT THE TOP TRACE ERE. >> THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ,

THE CLUBHOUSE AND OTHER ONES? >> I BELIEVE THEY ARE IN THERE.

>> I THINK THEY ARE IN THIS YEAR AREN'T THEY SPARTANBURG.

>> NO, THEY ARE NOT. >> ACCELERATING THEM.

>> CORRECT. BILLY CASPER HAS RECENTLY INSTALLED CAP TRACER IN ROME GEORGIA.

TOO BUILD THE BUSINESS MODEL TO SUPPORT THIS.

THIS IS INDEPENDENT COMPLETELY OF BILLY CASPER.

>> I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE NOT PART OF IT.

BUT THEY ARE GOING TO OPERATE IT.

>> THE STAFF AT THE GOLF COURSE EMPLOYED BY BILLY CASPER WILL

OPERATE IT. >> AND BILLY CASPER HAS CONCURRED WITH OUR NUMBERS ON THIS.

>> THEY HAVE NOT OBJECTED. I'VE SHARED ALL THE NUMBERS WITH THEM AND THEY'VE NOT OBJECTED OR DISAGREED WITH THOSE NUMBERS.

>> I KNOW THERE IS SOME PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON THIS ABOUT THE MARKETING PLAN. I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THEY SAY

IF WE CAN. >> I HAVE TWO.

I THINK ONE OF THEM IS IF SOMETHING WAS GOING AWRY.

HAVE ONE SPEAKER. >>

>> I LIVE ON ONE SAL. I LOVE THE GOLF COURSE.

NOTHING WOULD MAKE ME HAPPIER THAN TO SEE THIS GOLF COURSE BECOME PROFITABLE AND IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THE GREENSAND IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THE PLAY AND EVERYTHING.

I KNOW I'M A BROKEN RECORD ON THIS.

I DON'T SEE HOW THESE NUMBERS WORK.

I CONTINUE TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THE REVENUE NUMBER.

SO $40 AN HOUR FOR A STALL, YOU CAN PLAY 18 HOLES OF GOLF FOR $45 BY NOT BEING A MEMBER. BLUE SKY WHICH IS 25 MILES AWAY AT CRAIG FIELD CHARGES $5 AN HOUR UNTIL 4:00 IN THE AFTERNOON AND THEN $10 AN HOUR AFTER 4:00. THE REVIEWS SO FAR I SAW IN THE INFORMATION THAT MR. MARTIN SENT TO ME.

AND THANK YOU FOR SENDING THAT. IT WAS HELPFUL.

REALLY IS ONLY A ONE YEAR VIEW. IT DOES NOT GO OUT AS A TRADITIONAL BUSINESS CASE GOES OUT FOR TEN PLUS YEARS AND YOU HAVE RATE OF RETURN AND PLAN FOR HOW YOU ARE GOING TO GO POSITIVE. SO IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE SUSTAINED. THE MARKETING COSTS ARE LIKE $9,000 FOR THE FIRST YEAR. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GENERATE 100 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS OF REVENUE WITH $9,000 OF MARKETING. I JUST THINK THE BUSINESS CASE PARTICULARLY ON THE REVENUE SIDE STILL CONTINUES TO BE WEEK.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AFTER A YEAR IF YOU ARE NOT MAKING THESE REVENUE NUMBERS, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? YOU NEED TO HAVE -- IT NEEDS TO BE CLOSELY MONITORED.

THERE NEEDS TO BE REGULAR REVIEW.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T MAKE YOUR REVENUE NUMBERS.

HOW DO YOU PIVOT AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? WHAT ARE THE PLANS? WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF

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THAT? IS THERE I LOT OF DETAIL IN PUTTING TOGETHER A BUSINESS PLAN FOR AN ENTERPRISE FUND THAT I THINK IS DIFFERENT THAN TRADITIONAL CITY BUDGETING AND PLANNING. SO AND I HATE TO STAND UP HERE AND SAY I WORRY ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF AND NOT GIVE YOU FIVE THINGS TO DO TO FIX IT. THAT'S HOW I PREFER TO OPERATE.

AT THIS POINT I'M JUST LIKE I DON'T KNOW.

THIS CASE JUST CONTINUES TO SEEM WEAK TO ME.

I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE REVENUE NUMBERS.

I HOPE IT IS MORE THAN SUCCESSFUL THAN WHAT IS ON THIS PIECE OF PAPER. I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. SO THANK YOU.

>> I TAM BOARD CHAIR OF THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD.

THIS PRESENTATION HAS BEEN MADE TO US AND PROVED UNANIMOUSLY BY OUR BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TOP TRACER.

I AM TOTALLY CONVINCED THAT THIS WILL HELP OUR GOLF COURSE.

IT WILL BE THE FIRST ONE ON THE ISLAND.

PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE ACROSS THE BRIDGE TO GO TO TOP GOLF OR SOME OTHER AREA TO GET THE EXPERIENCE THIS IS GOING TO BRING. WE BELIEVE IT WILL BRING IN PEOPLE FOR THE GOLF COURSE AS WELL AS REVENUE FROM THE TOP TRACER EXPERIENCEFUL I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF WE COULD MOVE

FORWARD. >> THE GOLF COURSE KEEPS COMING BACK AND BACK AND BACK. THERE ARE MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS AND I PULLED ALL THE OLD ARTICLES OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS AND THE SAME THINGS CAME UP OVER AND OVER.

THE FIRST THING I WANT TO DO IS TALK ABOUT WHY I THINK GOLF COURSE IS AN ASSET. THE GOLF COURSE AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE GOLF COURSE.

FIRST OF ALL IT'S ZONED RECREATION.

THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T SELL THAT WITHOUT THREE COMMISSIONERS AGREEING TO HAVE A REFERENDUM AND THEY ARE WILLING TO PUT IT ON A BALLOT AND 51% OF THE PEOPLE VOTING IN THAT ELECTION HAVE TO AGREE TO THAT. THE LAND CAN'T BE SOLD.

THE GOLF COURSE HAS 421 MEMBERS, 286 MEMBERS RESIDE IN THE CITY.

THAT'S A LOT MORE PEOPLE USING THAT GOLF COURSE THAN USING THE CITY MARINA WHICH WE WILL TALK ABOUT LATER TONIGHT THAT WE'RE POURING A LOT MORE MONEY INTO. 21% OF THE GOLF COURSE PROPERTY IS USED UNDER THE RUNWAY PROTECTION ZONE WHICH MEANS IT'S NOT USABLE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN A GOLF COURSE OR LIMITED USE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BUILD THERE.

FINALLY THAT FACILITY IS HEAVILY USED BY NONGOLF COURSE ENTITIES ON AN AVERAGE OF FOUR DAYS PER WEEK.

I THINK GOLF COURSE IS PART OF THE LARGER PACKAGE OF AMENITIES THAT ATTRIBUTE TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE ON THIS ISLAND.

I'VE GOTTEN SEVERAL EMAILS ON THIS AND I REVIEWED THE ARTICLES AND OBSERVER AND THESE RECURRENT SUGGESTIONS KEEP COMING UP WHAT TO DO WITH THE GOLF COURSE. THREE OF THE MOST POPULAR ARE ONE THIS CAME IN JUST SELL THE THING, PRIVATE ENTERPRISE IS ALWAYS MORE EFFICIENT THAN GOVERNMENT IN RUNNING A BUSINESS. TWO IS CONVERT IT INTO A PARK.

AND THREE IS STILL WAITING FOR AN EXPLANATION FROM THE CITY OR OTHERS AS TO THE GOLF COURSE. COMPARE AND CONTRAST THE OPTIONS WOULD LEAD TIE BETTER DECISION. I TRIED TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

WE CAN CONTINUE THE CURRENT ARRANGEMENT WHICH IS DO NOT SELL

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THE GOLF COURSE. HAVE POSITIVE CASH FLOW IN FOUR YEARS BUT STILL A $10 MILLION DEBT HA WON'T BE RESOLVED.

CHANGE IT INTO A PAR THREE COURSE.

THAT COULD TAKE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS TO DO AND THERE IS NO SAVINGS ON MAINTENANCE SO THAT IS NOT AN OPTION.

ANOTHER POPULAR ONE IS ELIMINATE NINE HOLES OF GOLF.

IT WON'T DECREASE ANY OPERATING COST.

THERE IS SIGNIFICANT COST TO CONVERT IT TO A PARK THERE.

IS NO REVENUE TO COVER THE COST OF MAINTAINING A PARK.

I LOSES 35 JOBS AND DOES NOT PAY THAT $10 MILLION DEBT OFF.

THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THAT WOULD BE HOUSES.

I DO NOT THINK THIS COMMUNITY IF YOU DO THE NUMBERS THAT IS 300 ACRES UP THERE AND OUR LOWEST DENSITY.

DO I NOT THINK THE COMMUNITY WANTS 1200 MORE HOUSES.

SO I DO NOT THINK SELLING THAT LAND IS AN OPTION.

THE USES ON THAT LAND ARE HIGHLY RESTRICTED AND UP ON THE RECREATION POLICY BECAUSE OF ZONING PROXIMITY TO THE AIRPORT.

AFTER COMPARING AND CONTRASTING ALL THESE IDEAS THAT -- I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT. I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE IT A GO.

>> DRIVING RANGES. A QUARTER OF THESE ARE PUBLIC SUPPORTED FACILITIES. GOLF COURSES FOR PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES. THE CITY OF SEATTLE OWNS FIVE GOLF COURSES. JEFFERSON PARK CURRENTLY HAS 28

TOP TRANSITIONER BAYS. >> I'VE LIVED IF SEATTLE FOR TWO YEARS AND I CAN TELL THAT YOU SEATTLE IS NOT THE GOLF CAPITOL OF THE UNITED STATES. THEY PROBABLY HAVE GOOD GOLFING WEATHER CONDITIONS SIX TO SEVEN MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR.

THERE ARE LONG RANGE PLANS. IN MY CORPORATE LIFE YOU WORK ON THE LEADING EDGE BUT NOT BLEEDING EDGE.

WHAT THIS SHOWS ME 83 DRIVING RANGES TOP TRACER FACILITIES IS THAT THIS MODEL HAS BEEN TRIED , THE REVENUE STREAM IS THERE.

AND WE ARE A RESORT ISLAND. I THINK TO THE POINT WITH THE PROPER MARKETING AND THE OTHER KEY IS YOUR REVENUE IS GOING TO BE DRIVEN BY FOOD AND BEVERAGE. BECAUSE THE IDEA IS YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TOP TRACE TORE PLAY GOLF.

YOU ARE GOING TO PLAY AN ARCADE GAME ON A DRIVING RANGE AND YOU ARE GOING TO PLAY WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

SO IT $43 IS THAT FOR A GROUP OF FOUR?

>> YEAH, PEAK HOURS. >> THAT IS GOING TO BE A GROUP OF FOUR WHO ARE GOING TO SPEND IDEALLY AT LEAST AN HOUR AND WHILE THEY ARE THERE THEY ARE GOING TO BE EATING FOOD AND DRINKING BEVERAGES. IT'S ENTERTAINMENT.

IT'S NOT GOLF. AND THIS IS THE TREND GOLF IS

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GOING TO. GOLF TAKES TOO LONGFUL FIVE HOURS TO PLAY. IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE.

$4,540, FOUR PEOPLE THAT'S $160. AND IT'S TOO DIFFICULT.

THIS MAKES IT VERY EASY. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.

WHEN THIS WAS TRIED TO ATTACH TO THE BUDGET THERE WAS NO DOUBT IT WAS GOING TO GET PUSHED FORWARD. I AGREE THAT I DON'T LIKE THE MARKETING PLAN. I DON'T THINK IT'S SUFFICIENT.

PARTICULARLY CONCERNED OF THE POSITION OF BILLY CASPER AND THEIR NOT OBJECTING MORE SO TO SOMETHING THEY ARE GOING TO OPERATE AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE BEEN LEFT OUT.

THOSE THINGS CONSIDERED WITH SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE ANY WAYS, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY BUT I'LL SUPPORT IT AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ON TOP OF IT AND IT WILL WORK THE WAY IT HAS TO OR WE'LL MAKE APPROPRIATE ADJUSTMENTS. I DON'T WANT THIS TO SOUND -- IT'S A LOT OF MONEY BUT IT'S NOT A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY WHEN YOU LOOK AT WE'RE AT $14 MILLION FOR THE MARINA SO FAR.

IN THOSE TERMS -- >> ONLY 11.7.

>> I'LL APPROVE IT. >> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> CALL THE VOTE.

>> YES,. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >>

>> ITEM 8 ORDINANCES FIRST READING.

ITEM 8-1. THIS IS 201-2020 AMENDED PAY AND

CLASSIFICATION PLAN. >> YOU GUYS ALL LEAVING?

>> THE SUN IS DOWN, THERE IS NO GOLF OUT THERE.

>> CAN'T PLAY GOLF IN THE DARK.

[Item 8.1]

THIS IS FIRST READING. >> WAITING FOR A MOTION.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> ITEM 8.2. CODE AMENDMENT GENERAL EMPLOYEES PENSION PLAN.

[Item 8.2]

>> JUST SO IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKY WE'RE DOING THIS TO THE PUBLIC?

>> YES. IN THE 2019 FLORIDA -- THAT'S FOR ALL THREE OF THESE. ALL OF THE PENSION PLANS ARE AFFECTED THE SAME. STATE LAW CHANGED TO REQUIRE -- WELL ONE OF THE CHANGES DOES NOT APPLY TO GENERAL EMPLOYEES AND THAT'S A CANCER PRESUMPTION FOR FIREFIGHTERS.

SO THE CITY HAS TO AND ALL LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE TO PRESUME THAT CERTAIN CANCERS ARE CAUSED BY ON THE JOB EXPOSURES SO WE HAVE COVERAGE FOR THAT. IT'S NOT AS EXPENSIVE AS YOU

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WOULD THINK. I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY CHEAP.

I THINK IT'S -- DO YOU REMEMBER THE COST FOR THE ADDITIONAL INSURANCE COVERAGE? I THINK IT WAS LESS THAN $1,000 A YEAR. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY REASONABLE BECAUSE IT WAS SCARY WHEN THAT PASSED.

I THOUGHT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE'RE PROTECTING OUR PEOPLE AND THE OTHER IS JUST IT'S ANOTHER JUST LANGUAGE CHANGE THAT IS VERY MINOR.

THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS BEING GIVEN OR ADDED TO OUR PENSION PLAN BY MOVEMENT OF THIS BOARD. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS WRITTEN AND PASSED BOTH OF OUR PENSION BOARDS IN RESPONSE TO STATE LAW. THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A

CHANGE IN SUBSTANTIVE FACTS. >>

>> LOOKED TO ME LIKE SOMEHOW EMPLOYEES WERE SUPPOSED TO BE

PAYING IN BUT THEY WEREN'T. >> THIS IS FOR THE DROP PLAN.

I'M NOT SURE WE DON'T HAVE THE HR DIRECTOR HERE THIS EVENING.

I WAS NOT PART OF -- DO YOU REMEMBER THE WHAT THE CHANGES TO THE DROP WHICH IS THE DEFERRED RETIREMENT OPTION PLAN.

>> THERE WAS SOME PAYMENTS BEING MADE WHEN AN EMPLOYEE ENTERED THE DROP AND THEN THERE WAS A CHANGE IN POLICY SO THAT THEY WOULD MAKE THE PAYMENTS WHEN THEY ACTUALLY LEFT THE DROP.

THERE WAS SOME ISSUES WITH THAT. THIS IS CODIFYING SAYING YOU HAVE TO MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS WHEN YOU DROP.

>> I'LL RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> YES,.

>> YES,. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

[Item 8.3]

>>MENDMENT FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS PENSION PLAN.

THIS IS WHERE THE STATE LAW COMES INTO PLAY AND WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO MAKE THESE CHANGES AND THE OTHER IS THE DROP CHANGE

THE SAME AS GENERAL EMPLOYEES. >> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> JUST TO CLARIFY, DO A QUICK CHECK , THE PREMIUM FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS CANCER POLICY

$5,900. >> THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE AMOTION AND A SECOND. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

[Item 8.4]

ITEM 8.4.

THIS ORDINANCE REGULATES ENCROACHMENTS OR BASICALLY THINGS IN RIGHT OF WAY WHICH INCLUDES THE SIDEWALKS.

AND REALLY MAINLY ADDRESSES THE SIDEWALKS.

THAT'S WHERE WE SEE THINGS IN THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY IN THE N OUR DOWNTOWN CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO IS WE HAVE NO REGULATIONS RIGHT NOW OTHER THAN GENERALLY REQUIRING A PERMIT.

AND SO THIS PROVIDE SOME REGULATIONS NAMELY THAT THOSE ENENCROACH 789S WILL BE LIMITED TO TABLES AND CHAIRS, SANDWICH BOARD SIGNS, PLANTERS AND FLOWERPOTS, STATUTES AND THAT'S IT. AND WITH REGARD TO THE TABLES AND CHAIRS SPECIFICALLY NO PLASTIC, VINYL OR PVC MATERIAL WILL BE ALLOWED. AND THE CITY HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNING STAFF OR COUNCIL AND THAT WILL BE STAFF'S DECISION WHETHER IT GOES TO THE DISTRICT COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO PREAPPROVE THE ENCROACHMENTS THAT WILL WILL BE THERE.

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>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. SECTION 9.

[Item 9.1]

ORDINANCE SECOND READING. THIS IS 9.1.

>> OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> THIS IS SECOND READING FINAL READING OF AN ORDINANCE THAT DOES DISCUSS HOW THE HEIGHT OF A BUILDING IS ULTIMATELY MEASURED.

AND RIGHT NOW THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS MEASURED AT THE FINISHED GRADE SO DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU USE WHETHER YOU USE A SLAB OR PEERS YOUR FINISHED GRADE.

AFTER FILL IS BROUGHT IN. THEN YOU START THE MEASURING FOR HEIGHT. THIS CHANGES THAT.

THIS WILL BE MEASURED FROM THE AVERAGE NATURAL GRADE WHICH MEANS BEFORE THE FILL IS BROUGHT IN.

THEN THE HEIGHT GETS MEASURED. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> YOU ARE GOING TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THIS IF YOU READ THIS IT SAYS TO THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE STRUCTURE.

SO THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS IS THAT YOU WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING THAT IS BIGGER THAN A TWO STORY BUILDING.

THAT IS THE -- AM I CORRECT? >> BASICALLY BECAUSE WHAT THIS SAYS IS THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE BUILDING SO NOTHING CAN GO ABOVE

THAT HEIGHT REGULATION. >> IT WILL DEPEND ON THE NATURAL GRADE OF THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY SO DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE LOCATED THERE, MAYBE ADVANTAGE OR DISADVANTAGE TO WHERE YOUR NATURAL GRADE S. I CAN'T MAKE A BLANKET STATEMENT TO INDICATE THAT ALL STRUCTURES WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO STORIES

AS A RESULT OF THIS CHANGE. >> BUT WILL THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE BUILDING INCLUDE ANY EQUIPMENT ON TOP OF THE ROOF?

COULD BIT INTERPRETED THAT WAY? >> THERE IS A SUBSECTION WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE BEFORE YOU UNDER CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING THAT.

THOSE THINGS WHICH WOULD BE ALLOWED THE ENCROACH BEYOND WHAT IS THE BUILDING HEIGHT. YOU WILL SEE AT A FUTURE MEETING, HOPEFULLY HA FIRST MEETING IN MARCH POTENTIALLY AFTER THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD HAS FINISHED THEIR REVIEW OF THE HEIGHT ENCROACH WHICHS TO ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS THAT GET AT THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION PREVIOUSLY WHICH WAS 35 FEET IS 35 FEET AND WE DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYTHING BEYOND THAT.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU. THIS SAYS 35 FEET OR 45 FEET WHICHEVER IT IS IS WHAT IT IS AND IT'S BASICALLY I'VE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF ARCHITECTS JUST TO MAKE SURE I WAS RIGHT AND THE BASIC WHAT THIS DOES IS ALONG THE BEACH, ELIMINATES TWO STORY HOUSES. I'M FOR THIS.

I'M JUST THAT IS THE IMPLICATION.

>> I THINK WHAT CAME UP BEFORE, MR. TONI CRAWFORD MADE AN ISSUE WITH THIS WHEN THEY HAD CONSTRUCTION BUILDING THEY PUT THE UTILITY PART FOR AN ELEVATOR ABOVE THAT.

IT IS WHAT IT IS PLUS WHAT IT IS.

>> PLUS ENCROACHMENTS WHEN CHILL FACTORS ARE ALLOWED TODAY BUT

UNDER REVIEW TO MODIFY THOSE. >> BUT THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN -- CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CORRECT, THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW NOTHING CAN GO ABOVE

THAT HEIGHT LIMIT? >> ON TOP OF BUILDING STILL CAN.

>> WHERE IS THE ENCROACHMENT PART OF THIS?

>> THAT'S THE LANGUAGE WE'RE WORKING ON.

>> THAT'S THANKSGIVING HASN'T BEEN PASSED YET.

>> IT STILL INCLUDES ENCROACHMENT ALLOWANCES AS THEY

ARE PRESENTLY ALLOWED. >> BUILDING HEIGHT IS BUILDING HEIGHT NOT INCLUDING ANYTHING ON TOP OF THE BUILDING.

>> I'LL GIVE YOU THE EXTREME EXAMPLE.

THE ONE WE THINK OF DRIVENING TO BEACH.

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THIS PASSES TONIGHT SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH PLANS AND PERMIT AND HAS AN ELEVATOR SHAFT THAT EXTENDS, IT WILL BE ALLOWED

TOMORROW. >> UNDER WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW. IT WILL BE ALLOWED TOMORROW.

BUT IF THE LANGUAGE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH HEIGHT ENCROACHMENTS PASSES NO ELEVATOR SHAFT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED FROM INCLUSION COLLUSION IN HEIGHT ENCROACHMENTS, MEANING BEYOND THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE

BUILDING. >> THANK YOU.

>> AND THEN ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT I THINK IS POSITIVE IN THIS IS PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN ROAD THEY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE OCEAN. WHAT DOES THIS DOES IS PREVENT A VARIANCE THAT GETS RID OF THOSE AND I THINK THAT'S POSITIVE.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE TOO.

THIS VARIANCE THE ENCROACHMENT IS THAT GOING TO COME BEFORE US? THAT'S US RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION I THINK. IF YOU DON'T ALLOW FOR THE UTILITIES TO OPERATE AN ELEVATOR, HOW DO YOU ALLOW PEOPLE THAT NEED AN ELEVATOR IS THERE A WAY TO DO THAT?

>> YOU WOULD DESIGN THAT AS PART OF YOUR INITIAL CONSTRUCTION.

YOU MAKE SURE THAT'S A FACTOR YOU CONSIDERED AS PART OF YOUR EARLY CONSTRUCTION PHASE. YOUR EARLY DESIGN PHASE TO MAKE SURE IT'S KEEPING WITH OUR HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.

>> AND UTILITIES, THERE ARE THINGS PUT ON TOP SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT THEM TO THE SIDES. IF YOU HAVE THINGS ON TOP OF THE ROOF THEY HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AIR CONDITIONING UNITS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> THERE IS PROVISIONS AND YOU'LL SEE THIS LATER.

NOT AS PART OF YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING BUT OF A LIMITATION OF 42 INCHES SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE THE SCREENING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ALLOWABLE ENCROACHMENT. AN EXAMPLE OF HAVING A FLAT ROOF THAT WOULD ALAW FOR THE FALL PROTECTION ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE

FLAT ROOFS. >> WE'LL HAVE A LOT MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS. IT DOESN'T ELIMINATE AN

ELEVATOR. >> A LOT OF THOSE ELEVATORS ARE SO YOU HAVE AN EXTRA FLOOR TO EXIT OUT ON YOUR ROOFTOP DECK.

THAT'S NOT A REQUIRED CAP. >> OK.

>> I WANTED TO REITERATE IT'S MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ALSO SPECIFICALLY. AND YES YOU CAN HAVE AN ELECTRIC ELEVATOR THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO PEN STRAIT THE ROOF.

WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS IN LENGTH BEFORE.

>> CALL VOTE. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> ON THE SECTION 106789 I HAVE ONE APPOINTMENT.

[Item 10.1]

THIS IS FOR THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD.

>> THIS IS INTERESTING. THERE WERE TWO APPLICANTS FOR THIS POSITION THAT CAME IN WITHIN A DAY OF EACH OTHER.

ONLY ONE OF THEM WAS CONSIDERED FOR WHATEVER REASONS I DON'T KNOW WAS CONSIDERED BY THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD.

ONE OF THEM THE APPLICANTS IS A FELLOW NAMED MR. DECKER.

WHO HAS A VIEW ON HOW THE MARINA SHOULD BE RUN THAT IS RADICALLY DIFFERENT THAN MY VIEW AND I THINK IT'S RADICALLY DIFFERENT THAN MANY PEOPLE'S VIEW. HE REPRESENTS A POINT OF THREW THE MARINA SHOULD BE PRIVATIZED AND ENTREPRENEURS REINVENT THE USE OF THE MARINA FOR BENEFIT FOR ALL.

AFTER COMMUNICATING WITH HIM ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS OVER THE LAST YEAR, I SUGGESTED HE APPLY FOR THE VACANCY ON THE MARINA BOARD AS AN ADVOCATE FOR THE POPULATION THAT DOESN'T SUPPORT SUBSIDIZING THE MARINA AND HE APPLIED.

I'VE TALKED TO MR. DID YOU RAN WHO I BELIEVE WOULD MAKE AN EXCELLENT BOARD MEMBER. I THINK HE'S MORE OF A CONVENTIONAL. BUT I THINK HE WOULD MAKE A VERY POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO THE BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY.

HOWEVER I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION APPOINT MR. DECKER BECAUSE HE REPRESENTS A POINT OF VIEW THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY REPRESENTED ON THE MARINA BOARD.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE AMOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> I'M GOING TO VOTE YES BUT I

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FEEL VERY SORRY FOR MR. DID YOU RAN WHO WAS INTRODUCED AT THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD AS THEIR NEW MEMBER.

IF WE CAN SEND CAPTAIN A NOTICE TO ISSUE AN APOLOGY, THAT WOULD

BE TERRIFIC. >> YES.

[Item 11.1]

>> SECTION 11. 11.1.

THIS ITEM WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA AT THE.

>> I NOTICED IN COMMISSIONER'S ROSS' MATERIALS THAT HE HAS A REFERENDUM IDEA OF PARTNERING WITH THE COUNTY ON HIS MATERIALS. AND COMMISSIONER ROSS WHEN WE WERE AT THE AN NEWEL MEETING WHICH I BELIEVE WAS LAST THURSDAY AND AARON BELL WAS IN ATEN DANCE AND MR. ROSS TOOK THE RIGHT SIDE AND I TOOK THE LEFT SIDE AND WE TALKED TO MR. BILL ABOUT THIS VERY IDEA OF PARTNERING WITH THE COUNTY AND HE SUGGESTED THAT WE WRITE THE COUNTY A LETTER PROPOSING SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A FORMULA.

TURNS OUT ON DECEMBER 26 THE CITY MANAGER HAD WRITTEN A LETTER. IN THE CITY MANAGER'S LETTER HE ASKED THEM PLEASE PROVIDE A FORM AGREEMENT INDICATING THE ACCEPTANCE OF SUCH TERMS. BEGIN THAT WE HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS VERY LITTLE INTEREST IN DOING THIS.

>> I HAD A CONVERSATION -- >> I HAVE SOME ITEMS AFTER THIS

ON CONSERVATION. >> I HAD A CONSERVATION --

>> A CONSERVATION? >> CUT ME SOME SLACK.

THEY ARE BRINGING THIS UP ON AT THE ON THE COMMISSIONER AGENDA IN FEBRUARY I'VE BEEN TOLD. AND THEY ASKED TO US HAVE A LETTER ENDORSED BY THE CITY COMMISSIONERS SIGN BID MAYOR ASKING FOR THIS. I THINK THAT IS A REASONABLE THING TO DO. AND IF BY THE END THAT HAVE MEETING THEY HAVEN'T COME WE WANT WE MOVE ON.

I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE THING TO DO.

APPARENTLY THEY WANT A LETTER FROM THE CITY COMMISSIONERS SIGN BID MAYOR. I WOULD ASK THAT WE COULD GIVE DIRECTION TO THE CITY MAYOR, CITY ATTORNEY TO WRITE A LETTER

FOR THE MAYOR. >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET A PERCENTAGE OF THAT CAST IN STONE AHEAD OF TIME AND HAVE AN MO THANK YOU WOULD BE SIGN ADD HEAD OF TIME THAT WOULD BRING THAT TILL WE GET THE 14% AND CITY IS IN CHARGE OF IT.

DONE WITH THE COUNTY. >> AND MOU IS.

>> MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> DID YOU HEAR 24 OUT THERE? HE'S ASKING A LETTER.

>> I KNOW ABOUT IT. WE DISCUSSED IT THIS MORNING.

>> I HAD A MEETING. DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROTOCOL WHEN WE HAD THE DISCUSSION. DO I TURN IT ON, DO I TURN IT OFF? SO THE CONCERN I HAVE AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS IS THE CLOCK IS RUNNING.

AND I ASKED CAROLINE, WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR INITIATIVE SET READY FOR THE SUPERVISOR ELECTIONS IN AUGUST SO WE KNOW WHAT FORM, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR AND WE ALSO NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT

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IS WE'RE MARKETING TO THE SUBLICK.

SO IF WE JUST ASK THEM FOR MONEY WITHOUT TELLING THEM SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE MONEY IS FOR, I THINK WE'RE DOOMED TO FAIL. HOWEVER WE F WE GET A PRIORITY PROPERTIES JUST LIKE THE EVENING'S CREEK INITIATIVE WHERE PEOPLE COULD SEE AND ENVISION WHAT IT WAS THAT THIS MONEY WAS GOING GO FOR, WE HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF SUCCEEDING.

I JUST WANT TO MY FELLOWS TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT AND THAT WE URGE LAND TRUST TO ACT EXPEDITIOUSLY FOR THAT LIST OF LAND

PRIORITIES. >> I AGREE WITH YOU 100%.

IT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. AND I THINK THE MOST PALATABLE, MOST PASSIBLE INITIATIVE AT THIS TIME IS TO PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY AND GET A SET PERCENTAGE. 14% OF $30 MILLION IS A LITTLE OVER $4 MILLION. THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT, THEN WE STILL HAVE FOUR MONTHS TO PROCEED AT SOMETHING ELSE.

>> I GOT THREE THINGS NOW. >> DODOWN WE AGREE WE'RE GOING

DO THAT? >> I WANT TO TALK THE REFERENDUM TOO. I AGREE WE NEED TO GO WITH SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND CITY ATTORNEY AND THEY ARE ALL OVER THE BOARD.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO GO OUT WITH THAT LETTER SPECIFICALLY AND ASK WHETHER IT'S 14% OR A RATIO BY POPULATION OR BY PROPERTY VALUE, WHATEVER THAT IS.

IF IT'S 14% THAT'S FINE. AND BE READY TO MOVE FORWARD.

THEN THE QUESTION IS DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR OWN REFERENDUM OR JUST -- THEY ARE GOING TO GO FORWARD ANY WAYS.

WE'RE GOING TO BE A PART OF THEIR REFERENDUM PERIOD WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT. IF WE DO OUR OWN WE'LL HAVE TWO REFERENDUMS WHICH WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT.

AFTER THEY COME UP WITH SOME DECISION.

>> I JUST THINK TWO REFERENDUMS AFTER COMING BEHIND THE SCHOOL

BOARD , THE CHANCES -- >> I AGREE.

>> THE OTHER TWO THINGS I HAD. ONE IS SIMPLE.

WE WERE PASSED THE 60 DAYS REQUIRED FOR ENTERING PLANS FOR PROPERTIES WE ACQUIRE. I BELIEVE THE CITY MANAGER IS WORKING ON. THAT AND I DON'T WANT PLACES TO TURN INTO GARBAGE DUMPS ESPECIALLY AFTER A RAIN FILL.

THAT'S AT ISSUE. ANOTHER ISSUE I'VE BEEN TALKING TO WEST ROCK ABOUT A PIECE OF PROPERTY WHICH I'VE BEEN THINKING WASN'T GOOD FOR THE CITY TO HAVE.

IT'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY VERY RIGHT NEXT TO OLD TOWN IF YOU GO OUT THE PARK IT COMES RIGHT THROUGH THERE.

THERE IS ACTUALLY THREE WATER LOTS WHICH ARE SEA ACCESS.

THERE ARE THERE IS A CREEK THAT COMES IN WINDS AROUND.

THEY WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO USE THAT PROPERTY NEVER BECAUSE OF THE BUFFER ON WETLANDS. I SUGGESTED THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT DONATING THAT PROPERTY TO THE CITY AND WE HAVE A PENDING ISSUE ON VACATING THE RIGHT OF WAY OVER THERE OFF OF ESCAMBIA, COME TO FIND OUT THAT THEY ACTUALLY OFFERED ALMOST FIVE ACRES TO PUT IN CONSERVATION EASEMENT AS PART OF THAT ORIGINAL VACATION RIGHT OF WAY.

BUT IT WAS WITHDRAWN FOR I'M NOT SURE WHAT REASONS.

WE COULD ACTUALLY GAIN SOME PROPERTY AND HAVE WEATHER WE OWN IT OR EASEMENT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.

HOPEFULLY THEY'LL COME BACK WITH THAT APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. ONE OF THE REASONS IT WAS REJECTED MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WAS NO PUBLIC ACCESS.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD COME TO THE COMMISSION ANY WAYS AND WE CAN LOOK THAT ISSUE.

>> A APPROACHED WEST ROCK TWO YEARS AGO.

I HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.

THEY HAVE A WHOLE NUMEROUS WETLANDS LANDS THAT ARE ZONED R1, R2. THEY WERE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO VERY POSITIVE AND THEN THEY WENT TO CORPORATE AND CORPORATE BASICALLY SAID WE'RE NOT INTERESTED.

THE RIGHT OF WAY ISSUE THAT YOU BRING UP, THEY NO LONGER WANT OUR RIGHT OF WAY, THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD AROUND IT.

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THEY'VE SUBMITTED THE PLANS. >> THE PLANS AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING HELD BECAUSE THERE IS OTHER ISSUES. THEY ARE INTERESTED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. THEY ARE INTERESTED BECAUSE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS PUT UP A FENCE AROUND THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT IS TOTALLY UNUSABLE. THERE IS AN ECONOMIC B. YOU SHALL RIGHT. I ALMOST HAD THIS PROPERTY FIVE YEARS AGO UNTIL CORPORATE GOT INVOLVED.

YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> VERY POSITIVE THEY WERE WILLING TO DO THAT.

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>> ITEM 11.2. >>

>> AS WE MOVE FORWARD FROM CONCEPT E THAT WE GAVE APPROVAL TO AT VISIONING, WE'RE ABOUT TO PRESENT THAT CONCEPT TO THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD, PARKS AND REC AND YOUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

MY CONCERN BECAUSE I'M A PROCESS NERD IS THEN LOOKING -- I SAW THE QUESTIONS THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS POSING THAT HE WANTS ANSWERED. BUT INTUITIVELY THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS CONCEPT, CONCEPT E AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT EVENTFULLY AND NOT KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

I THINK WE OWE IT TO PEOPLE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS ON THE TABLE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LEASE THE PROPERTY AND THEN A PRIVATE BUSINESS OWNER IS GOING TO BUILD THE BUILDING AND OPERATE A BUSINESS OUT OF THAT STRUCTURE.

AND THAT STRUCTURE WILL BE TWO STORIES.

AND AS I TALK TO PEOPLE, THEY EITHER LIKE THAT OR THEY GO YOU ARE GOING TO RUIN THE VIEW OR YOU ARE SELLING OUT THE WATER FRONT. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO THESE F YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

>> THE SECOND PART IS THE ENTERTAINMENT VENUE WHICH HAS THE SAME APPLICATION IN THAT IT'S BEING RUN BY A BUSINESS MAN AND EVENTS THERE WILL BE PAID EVENTS.

PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. THIS IS A PAID VENUE.

MAYBE NOT 100% OF THE TIME. THE OTHER QUESTION IS IF IT'S A PAID VENUE HOW DO YOU PREVENT PEOPLE FROM SNEAKING IN? WHAT IS THE BARRIER? ARE YOU ARE GOING HAVE WOOD STOCK ON A SMALLER SCALE. ESSENTIALLY PEOPLE CROSSING THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND GET INTO THE VENUE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE AS WE'RE WINDING THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE ELEMENTS OF THAT CONCEPT

ARE. >> AND I BELIEVE THAT EACH MEMBER OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE HDC CHAIRPERSON, MAINSTREET, MARINE ADVISORY BOARD, AND PARKS AND REC, THEY'VE ALL BEEN PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. SO IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THEM TO RELATE TO THEIR BOARDS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN A PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

WE HAD A MEETING WITH ALL MEMBERS OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND ALL CONSULTANTS IN DECEMBER WHEN ALL OF THAT WAS LAID OUT. THEY ARE AWARE OF THAT.

IT'S PART OF THEIR ROLE AS A MEMBER OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE TO INFORM OR ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS TO THEIR BOARD.

AT THEIR BOARD MEETINGS IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY.

WE'LL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT IF THEY WANT MORE BACKGROUND AND ALL OF THAT, WE CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT.

THEY'VE ALL BEEN A PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THEM TO SHARE WHAT THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN TODAY. LET'S TAKE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD FOR AN EXAMPLE. WHO IS GOING TO COLLECT THE

FEEDBACK? >> THAT WOULD BE THE CHAIRPERSON

OF THE MARINE ADVISORY. >> AND THEN EACH CHAIR WILL

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SUBMITTA FEEDBACK TO YOU? >> CORRECT.

>> AND YOU WILL KOA LATE ALL OF THAT AND BRING IT BACK TO US?

>> CORRECT. >> GREAT THANK YOU.

>> YOU MENTIONED WE APPROVED THE PARK REVISIONING.

WE CONSENT. WE CONTINUE APPROVE ANYTHING.

TWO ISSUES ABOUT THE MARINA. THE FIRST IS ABOUT FUNDING.

>> I WENT AND GOT ALL THE LIST AND I'LL BRING IT UP AT THE

NEXT. >> MICHELLE: ING.

WHAT THE CITY OWNS IS 162 PLUS PROPERTIES.

THIS IS THE MARINA. THE MARINA THAT'S ALL THE LANDS THE INVOLVED IN THE MARINA. ACCORDING TO THE APPRAISER THAT IS WORTH $5.2 MILLION. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE PIECE WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR IMMINENT DOMAIN.

WE DON'T OWN IT. ALL THAT LAND IS IN THE CITY LIMITS. IT'S OWNED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA FROM. THAT MIGHT GO BACK TO SOMETHING ELSE LATER WHY AREN'T WE THE KEEPERS OF THE CHANNEL.

IF YOU COULD GO DO THAT OTHER SLIDE.

6.3 GOES TO -- THEY'LL REIMBURSE US THESE ARE ALL ROUGH NUMBERS.

WHAT IF FEMA IS NOW IN THE THIRD TRIAL OF TRYING TO GET THEM TO PAY US. WE'RE HAVING TROUBLES GETTING PAID AND WE'RE ON THE HOOK FOR THAT.

THERE IS $3.5 MILLION WENT TO BRANTS.

NONE OF THAT IS GOING TO BE PAID BY FEMA.

IF OUR TOTAL DEBT IF FEMA CONTRIBUTES NO FEMA PAYMENT IT'S $9.8 MILLION. IF WE GET FEMA PAYMENT IT'S $4.5 MILLION. THE NORTHERN ATEN WAITER WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO BUILD AND HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED TO IS APPROXIMATELY $1.9 MILLION. THAT INCLUDES THE FUEL SYSTEM.

IF WE GET FUNDING FROM FEMA IF THERE IS NO FEMA FUNDING WE ARE GOING TO OWE $1.9 MILLION. IF WE GET FEMA WE'LL OWE $285,000. FOR A NET COST IF FEMA DOESN'T PAY THE CITY IS ON THE HOOK FOR -- NOW THE IDEA THAT I HAD AFTER TALKING TO LYNN WILLIAMS ABOUT THE BIG P GRANT THAT IS GOING TO SUPPOSEDLY GO FOR THE NORTHERN MARINE.

THAT AND BIG P GRANTS YOU CAN USE TRIENNIA RATE IS BUILD DOCKS. SO THAT IS TO BUILD A DOCK.

THE IDEA IS THAT AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE EVER GOING TO BE -- LET ME ADD ONE MORE THING. THAT $1.5 MILLION THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN 50% HAS TO BE A MATCH.

THEY PUT UP $1.5 MILLION, WE HAVE TO PUT UP $1.5 MILLION.

BIG P GRANTS CAN GO TO 25. THEY WOULD PAY 75% AND 25%.

SO THE IDEA IS TO ASK THE PEOPLE WHO PROVIDE BIG P IF THEY ARE WILLING TO CHANGE THAT GRANT, REPURPOSE IT SO THAT IT WOULD PAY FOR THE NORTHERN ATEN WAITER AND THE 25% TAKE IT DOWN TO THEY PAY 75%, WE PAY 25%. AND USE THE MONEY WHERE WE COULD

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GET $250,000. USE THAT AS THE COPAYMENT TO PAY THIS 25% BECAUSE BIG P GRANT YOU CAN PAY FOR IT WITH ANYTHING ELSE BUT OTHER FEDERAL MONEY. BECAUSE THAT STATE MONEY IT COULD BE USED TO PAY THAT I BELIEVE.

SO MAKING A LONG STORY SHORT, THAT WOULD KNOCK OUR ENTIRE BILL DOWN $150,000 IF ALL THAT WERE TO WORK.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN? PROBABLY NOT. BUT I WOULD LIKE THE CITY MANAGER TO BE ABLE TO APPROACH BIG P AND SEE IF THAT'S EVEN VIABLE. I'D LIKE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.

>> A LIGHT JUST CAME ON. I THINK HE'S LOOKING FOR

FEEDBACK. >> I'LL GIVE FEEDBACK.

I'M GOING TO GIVE FEEDBACK TO TWO THINGS.

THE FIRST THING IS WHAT MIKE DISCUSSED OF THIS PRIVATE VENUE.

I HAD EARLIER SENT AN EMAIL. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UP AND TRANSPARENT ABOUT THIS. THERE ARE ALL KIND OF RUMORS PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND THIS GUY IS GOING TO DO THAT AND WHATEVER. MY QUESTION WAS THIS AN UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL. IF IT IS IT'S COVERED BY STATE LAW. I THINK TAMMY SAID IT WAS NOT.

THEN WE'RE TALK ABOUT I ASSUME GROUND FOR SOMEBODY TO BUILD ON.

THIS I WANT TO BE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIAL DEAL THAT WE'RE OPEN TO EVERYBODY ON THIS. IF THERE WAS A SPECIAL DEAL IF WE'RE TALKING TO SOMEBODY LET BRING IT UP AND BE TRANSPARENT.

THEN THE OTHER ONE ON THE BIG P. CITY MANAGER ACKNOWLEDGED AT DIVISIONING HE WAS LOOKING FOR THE BIG P AND THEY ARE LOOKING AT IT NOW. I AGREE IT'S NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN. THE BIG P REALLY IS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR TRANSIENT VOTERS.

IF WE CAN LOOK AT IT GREAT. IF WE CAN REPURPOSE IT GOOD.

I AGREE WITH YOU CHIP THAT ANOTHER MILLION FIVE OF LOCAL MONEY MR. CHAIRMANS IS SOME SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS.

>> IF WE DID IT THIS WAY -- >> WORKS GREAT.

>> AND THE PROBLEM WITH THIS FEMA HASN'T EVEN BEGUN TO LOOK AT PAYING FOR THIS. THAT'S CALLED PROJECT B.

WE'RE STILL ON PROJECT A. THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER WAY TO PAY IT OFF RIGHT NOW AND IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE FEMA PROBLEM. THERE HAS BEEN -- THERE HAVE BEEN RESPONSES UNDER BIG P THAT WE'VE ALL GOT FROM LOWELL.

THEY ARE WORKING ON IT. AND HE'S FOLLOWING THROUGH ON WHAT BASICALLY HE BROUGHT UP AT DIVISIONING SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. FIT WORKS, IT WORKS.

>> AND SECOND ISSUE IS. >> I THINK HE'S THROUGH.

OTHER I'M STILL GOING. >> THAT'S OK.

SHORTLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FULLY FUNCTIONALRA MARINA THAT HAS COST THE TAXPAYERS $12 MILLION.

AND I'D LIKE TO BEGIN THE DISCUSSION AMONGST US ON HOW WE CAN BEST MANAGETA ASSET TO BE A GOOD STEWARD OF THAT MARINA.

BASICALLY I THINK THERE IS FOUR OPTIONS.

THE FIRST IS WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

THE SECOND IS WE LEASE IT OUT AND GET A LEASE PAYMENT, SOMEBODY ELSE DEALS WITH THE WHOLE THING.

THIRD WHICH KEEPS COMING UP WHICH I'M TOTALLY OPPOSED TO BUT KEEPS COMING UP IS SELL THAT ASSET.

IF YOU WERE GOING SELL IT, IT HAS GRANT RESTRICTIONS ON IT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY SELLABLE.

BUT THAT IS AN OPTION. AND THEN THE FINAL OPTION IS WHETHER THE CITY WOULD BECOME THE MANAGER OF THE PROPERTY.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW IF THE FOUR OF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW IS THE BEST WAY TO GO FORWARD WITH A PLAN OF MANAGING THE MARINA AND YOU MAY ALL BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD JUST LEAVE AT THIS TIME WAY IT IS OR THAT WE SHOULD GO OUT WITH AN RFP TO COME UP WITH WHOEVER OTHER WAYS OF MANAGING THAT.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE.

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>> >> TED PLEASURE OF BEING IN THIS HALL THE LAST TIME SELLING THE MARINA WAS PUT FORWARD AS AN IDEA. AND IT WAS A TON OF FOLKS WITH PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES. I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE VIABILITY OF THAT IDEA. WHICH WOULD LEAVE YOU WITH

BULLET ONE OR TWO. >> OR FOUR.

>> I'M A BELIEVER THAT YOU ALWAYS ENTERTAIN VENDORS.

BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS OVER TIME VENDORS TAKE YOU FOR GRANTED AND THEY ARE NOT AS SHARP AS THEY ARE, IT'S THE HAIL LOW EFFECT. YOU HAVE A NEW VENDOR AND THERE IS A HAIL LOW AROUND THEM. AS TIME WEARS ON IT FADE.

I'M IN FAVOR OF GOING OUT AND SEEING WHAT ELSE WHETHER IT BE THE CURRENT OPERATOR OR OTHER FOLKS AND SEE IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN RUNNING THE MARINA.

>> THERE IS A FIFTH OPTION. AND THAT FIFTH OPTION IS TELL WEST TREK TO MAKE MONEY AND GET OUT OF THEIR WAY.

BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THE CONTRACT, A LOT OF VAGUENESS THAT CERTAINLY NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP. I ALSO ALWAYS HAD PROBLEMS WITH US PAYING THEIR WAGES. I WOULDN'T BE AT ALL OPPOSED TO SEE A REAL LEGITIMATE OUT SOURCED YOURS TRULY WHERE THEY TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERYTHING WHETHER IT BE WEST ROCK OR ANYBODY ELSE. I THINK TOO THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION AND A LOT OF PEOPLE GOT THEIR FINGERS IN.

THE FIRST STEP IS GIVE THEM NOTICE AND LET THEM START RUNNING IT. MORE IMPORTANT, I I SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS FIRST. I KNOW THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS WORKING ON THIS. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR IDEAS ARE, WHAT YOU THINK. WE'RE CLOSER TO THIS, CLOSER

THAN I AM. >> I THINK THOSE OPTIONS -- I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE POSITIVE ASPECT OFFENSE A REQUEST FOR A PROPOSAL. LET'S DEFINE THE SPECIFIC MARINA PROPERTY AND TAKE ON ALL CALLERS.

IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY A PORTION OF IT.

IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO LEASE A PORTION OF IT.

WE'LL HAVE ALMOST LIMITLESS POSSIBILITIES TO DISCUSS OR NEGOTIATE THOSE PROPOSALS. ANTED LOOKING AT THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND OFFERED $20 MILLION FOR THE MARINA, NOT LIKELY LET'S BE CLEAR.

BUT THERE IS A PRICE FOR EVERYTHING.

LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT THAT. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE I'LL GO BACK TO THE REPORT. WE EITHER GOT TO CONTINUE TO PUMP GENERAL FUND MONEY INTO IT OR FIND NEW REVENUE.

I THINK THIS IS AN OPTION I'D BE CURIOUS I'D HAVE TO WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AS TO HOW DO WE MANAGE THE CONTRACT WITH WEST ROCK. I THINK WE CAN DO REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS AND ASK FOR MANAGE, LEASE OR BUY.

AND DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU GET BACK THE WEST TREK CONTRACT SAYS WE HAVE TO PROVIDE 45 DAYS NOTICE.

IF WE DON'T NET ANYTHING WORTH CONSIDERING ON YOUR BEHALF, WE JUST KEEP GOING WITH THE STATUS QUO.

THIS MAY ALSO PROVIDE AUSMAN I CHANCE FOR THEM TO RESHARPEN THEIR PENCIL AND RENEGOTIATE A CONTRACT OR CLARIFY THE CONTRACT AS YOU GUYS BROUGHT UP TO FURTHER DELINEATE THE DID YOUS.

I THINK IF WE DO REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL WE KEEP SEVERAL OPTIONS

OPEN. >> BEING THE ONE WHO GOT THE PITCHFORKS FOR THE SELLING OF THE MARINA.

WHEN I FIRST BROUGHT THAT UP, THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE INTERESTED. I HAD MADE CONTACT WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND SHE WENT OUT AND THERE WERE

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PEOPLE INTERESTED. THAT WAS BEFORE OF COURSE WE ENCUMBERED THE DEBT WE HAVE. WE'VE ALL SAT IN THESE CHAMBERS MULTIPLE TEAMS AND TELL US HOW IT WILL NEVER MAKE MONEY TO BE A PROFITABLE MARINA, YOU HAVE TO THROUGH UP LANDS.

HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PARK. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD A PARK, I DON'T THINK YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF MARINA BUYERS THAT ARE GOING TO WANT TO JUMP AT THIS.

BECAUSE THEY ARE STUCK WITH THE WATER.

I DON'T SEE WASTING OUR TIME, EVEN ENTERTAINING THE IDEA OF SELLING THE MARINE. THAT AND IT WON'T COME FROM ME BECAUSE ONE SET OF PITCHFORKS IS ENOUGH.

I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAYBE LOOK AT THE IDEA OF SENDING OUT FOR PROPOSALS TO MANAGE IT. DO WE HAVE THE BEST DEAL WE POSSIBLY COULD? I THINK THE ANSWER IS NO.

BUT I THINK AGAIN IF WE HIRE A COMPANY TO MANAGE THE MARINA, WE HAVE TO LET THEM MANAGE THE MARINA.

WE CAN'T INTERFERE WITH THEIR PROCESS UNLESS THEY ARE VIOLATING THEIR CONTRACT. AGAIN, WITHOUT RIGHT NOW ABILITY TO SELL GAS, THERE IS NO WAY ANYBODY IS GOING TO COME AND SAY YEAH, I'LL BUY IT. GAS IS WHERE YOUR MONEY IS.

THAT AND THE UP LAND REPAIR AND STORAGE.

I WOULD SUPPORT THE IDEA OF LOOKING AT A NEW OR CURRENT COMPANY TO MANAGE IT. I DON'T SEE A COMPANY COMING IN WITH A LEASE ON IT WHERE THOSE LEASE PYMENTS ARE GOING TO GET US WHERE WE NEED TO BE. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE STEPS TO AGGRESSIVELY INCREASE REVENUES LIKE EXPANDING THE MORNING FIELD. I KNOW IN THE PARK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE IDEA OF THE SHORE STABILIZATION.

THEY TALKED ABOUT TEARING DOWN THE RESTROOMS. I CAN'T SEE US ASKING PEOPLE TO COME TO A $11 MILLION MARINA AND OH BY THE WAY YOU CAN'T SHORE AND IF YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM GO ACROSS THE STREET TO THE COMFORT STATION BY THE TRAIN. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS MARINA A SUCCESS.

IT'S EASY TO SAY TEAR DOWN THE SHOWERS FOR STABILIZATION BUT THOSE BOATERS AREN'T GOING TO WANT TO COME AND IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG FOR THE WORD TO GET OUT. I WOULD SUPPORT THE IDEA OF GOING OUT FOR MANAGEMENT. THANK YOU.

>> I WANT TO MAKE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR SINCE THE CITY MANAGER MADE IT SEEM LIKE I WAS SUGGESTING SELLING OR LEASING THE MARINA THAT I AM OPPOSED TO THAT.

I WILL NEVER VOTE THE SELL THE MARINA.

I WANT TO MAKE THAT THANKSGIVING CLEAR.

THE SECOND POINT I'VE BEEN TOLD IN RESEARCHING PROFITABLE MARINAS, PROFITABLE BUSINESSES ARE BOAT STORAGE AND BOAT REPAIR. THOSE ARE THE TWO BUSINESSES THAT DRIVE ADDITIONAL REVENUE MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROPERTY AS IT EXIST IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE BUSINESSES WHICH LEAVES YOU THE QUESTION WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE LAND TO GENERATE REVENUE? THAT'S A WORD WE USE A LOT CONUNDRUM. HOW DO WE SOLVE THAT? I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT LETTING THEM MANAGE THE MARINA.

I'M HESITANT TO BE CRITICAL BUT I'M GOING TO BE CRITICAL BECAUSE THEY DON'T MANAGE THE MARINA. I SAT AT THE LAST MARINA ADVISORY BOARD AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE FIELD, THEY DON'T HAVE THE CURRENT FIELD READY FOR THIS SUMMER.

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WHAT HAPPENS IS IN MAINTAINING THAT MOORING FIELD EVERY OTHER YEAR THEY REPLACE THE CHAINS. THAT HOLD THE BALL.

EVERY OTHER YEAR. WELL BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANES AND THEY WEREN'T IN OPERATION, GUESS WHAT, THEY DIDN'T DO IT.

SO WE'VE GONE THREE YEARS AND NOW THAT MOORING FIELD IS NOWHERE NEAR READY FOR BOATS. AND IT'S GOING TO COST US 35,000, 40,000, $50,000 TO GET THAT MOORING FIELD UP AND RUNNING. BUT THAT IS A REVENUE GENERATOR AN WE NEED TO GET IT UP AND RUNNING.

ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ASKED WHAT IS THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. YOU INSANE $50,000, WHEN DO YOU GET IT BACK? THEY DIDN'T KNOW.

YOU ARE MANAGING A MARINA, WOULDN'T YOU KNOW ANSWER TO THAT? TO COMMISSION AREA ROSS' POINT WHEN HE SHOWED US THE SLIDES OF WHAT WAS NOT BEING DONE AT THE MARINA. I THINK BY NECESSITY WE NEED TO SEE WHO ELSE CAN MANAGE IT AND HAVE WEST TREK STEP UP TO THE

PLATE AND START MANAGING IT. >> I WAS NOT AT THAT MEETING.

I'M ASSUMING WHEN YOU SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW, THAT WAS

MR. SPRINGER. >> YES.

>> WHEN YOU SAID THAT WHEN THE CHAINS THING CAME UP, DID HE HAVE AN EXPLANATION OF WHY THEY DIDN'T DO IT?

>> THE MARINA WASN'T IN OPERATION?

>> IS THAT WHEN HE INSTEAD. >> I'M PARAPHRASING.

>> WHEN HE SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH REVENUE IT WOULD GENERATE. HE JUST SAID I DON'T KNOW OR DID HE GIVE AN ANSWER WHY THAT IS HARD TO ATTAIN?

>> YOU HAVE TO KNOW OCCUPANCY RATE OF THE 40 BALLS OUT THERE.

>> IT'S 6 OR 12. >> WHATEVER IT IS.

THE OCCUPANCY OF WHAT THE BALLS ARE AND THEN WHAT TIME OF SEASON. HE WAS GOING TO COME BACK.

>> I CAN'T PICTURE HIM SAYING I DON'T KNOW.

I KNOW HIM WELL. >> HE DIDN'T SAY IT LIKE THAT.

HE SAID I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

I'LL GET THAT FOR YOU. >> OK.

>> I'M ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO SELL TATH MARINA.

HOWEVER I KEEP GETTING EMAIL AFTER EMAIL AND I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS TO BED -- THAT WAS NUMBER TWO GOING BACK TO THE THREE MONEY MAKING THINGS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU CAN'T UPWARD STORAGE, THERE IS NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH ROOM. NO PARK, NO NOTHING, YOU CAN'T HAVE ENOUGH STORAGE TO MAKE MONEY THERE ECONOMICALLY.

SO THE THREE THINGS THAT CAN MAKE MONEY WOULD BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PARK. AND PARKS AS WE TALKED ABOUT.

LEASE GOES OUT IN TWO OR THREE YEARS AND IF THEY WERE PAYING WHAT WE THOUGHT THEY SHOULD BE PAYING WHICH IS 5% OF THEIR REVENUE WE WOULD GET $200,000 A YEAR AS OPPOSED TO $750 A MONTH.

THAT IS RENEGOTIATING IT. BRETT INDICATED THEY WANT TO STAY THERE AND WORK SOMETHING OUT.

IS THERE IS MONEY THERE. THAT BUILDING HOWEVER IT COMES TO FRUITION, ATLANTIC SEAFOOD HAS A LEASE.

WHATEVER HAPPENS DOWN THERE, ATLANTIC SEAFOOD IS PART OF THIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LEASE AND RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL.

THEY NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO THE EQUATION OF WHATEVER GOES ON DOWN THERE. THE CURRENT BUILDING IS HELD TOGETHER BY TERMITES THE ARE HOLDING HANDS.

WHEN THEY LET GO THE BUILDING IS GOING TO COLLAPSE AND ON TOP OF THAT THE STORMWATER HAS TO GO THROUGH THAT THERE.

THE BUILDING NEEDS TO BE MOVED. THAT COULD BE LEASE BUILD.

WE LEASE THE LAND, THEY BUILD THING AND WE GET 5% OF

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SOMETHING. AND THEN THE THIRD OPTION IS THE PROPERTY HERE WHERE WE CAN GO OUT OVER THE WATER.

IT DOES AND THIS IS JUST AN IDEA BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR REVENUE.

I KNOW IT'S A VIEW CORNER AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

BUT AGAIN ANOTHER SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE WHETHER IT WAS A VENUE FOR PEOPLE USING OR PAID FOR OR A RESTAURANT OR WHATEVER THERE IS ANOTHER REVENUE PRODUCING EAT.

THOSE ARE THREE THINGS THAT COULD DO THAT.

AND THEN THE FOURTH IS WHAT HAS NOT BEEN ALLOWED BEFORE IS THAT FOR CONTRACTORS TO COME IN AND WORK ON LOTS BOATS IN THE MARINA. THAT'S NOT BEEN ALLOWED IN THE PAST. THOSE ARE FOUR WAYS THAT YOU COULD AND IS THAT GOING TO COVER THE WHOLE NUT? PROBABLY DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 500 AND $700,000 A YEAR FOR THE NEC 20 YEARS.

WE NEED TO COME ONE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES.

I PERSONALLY REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL.

BRING US AN OFFER ON ALL OF THOSE.

NOT JUST THE MANAGEMENT. I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO LEASE IT OUT BECAUSE I WAS TALKING TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND THERE BE SOMETHING WITH GRANTS WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT. LEASE IS PROBABLY NOT AN OPTION BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO GENERATE ENOUGH REVENUE.

IT PROBABLY BOILS DOWN TO A PROFESSIONAL MANAGE ORE THE CITY TAKING IT ON ITSELF WHICH MAYBE BEEN OPTION.

>> THIS WHOLE THING STARTED BY CONSENSUS TO HAVE THE CITY MANAGER COME ONE A PLAN. THE CITY MANAGER MADE A SUGGESTION THAT WE GO OUT WITH A NARROW PEEK TO INCLUDE EVERYTHING. NOW WE'RE BACK STEPPING ON OUR PARK. OUR 101 BUILDING IF IT'S IN THE PARK GET UTFA OUT OF DEBT AND MOVE IT HERE.

>> I THINK IT WAS THIS COMMISSION WHERE THE WEST TREK MAN STOOD UP IN THE BACK AND MADE THE POINT THEY DON'T DO SHORE STUFF. THEY DON'T DO IT.

THEY MAKE PROFITS ON OPERATING THE MARINA.

THEY DON'T HAVE SHORE ACTIVITIES.

BOAT YARDS DOWNTOWN ARE PROBABLY NOT THE WAY WE WANT TO GO.

THEY OPERATE THE MARINA IN CHICAGO AND MAKE MONEY.

THERE IS NO ON SHORE STUFF. I WANT TO MAKE ET CLEAR IT WOULD NOT HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON IT WHATSOEVER.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE THE PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT'S GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT.

THAT'S WHY IT NOT MOVING ANYWHERE UNTIL WE GET FURTHERER

IN PLANNING. >> I THINK THERE IS AN UNANSWERED QUESTION. WE'RE WAITING ON THE NEW ALIGNMENT. EVERYONE KEPT TELLS US THAT'S GOING TO MEAN A LOT LESS DREDGING.

WE DON'T KNOW YET. THAT'S THE LION'S SHARE OF THE EXPENSE. ALL THE GUYS TOLD US THAT REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THINGS WORK AND THE FLOW HOURS OF TESTIMONY JUST REALIGN THE DOCKS YOU WON'T HAVE TO DREDGE AS MUCH.

AS MUCH IS WHAT SCARES ME. >> A COUPLE OF POINT ON THIS.

FIRST OF ALL N ADDITION TO THE BIG P GRANT AND GRANT AGREEMENT RESTRICTIONS IF YOU WILL OR CONDITIONS, WE HAVE AS HEARD DEBT BUT WHAT IS NOTABLE ABOUT THE DEBT IS THERE IS TAX EXEMPT FINANCING AS WE CALL IT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT DEBT WHICH IS WHAT GIVES THE CITY THE REAL RESTRICTION IN LEASING AND OR SELLING THE MARINA. I'M LOOKING INTO BECAUSE OF SOMEBODY IS INTERESTED ANYWAY $2,520,000,000 MARINA.

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I CAN TELL THEM HOW MUCH IT IS TO PAY OFF THAT DEBT AND GRANTS.

WE'LL HAVE THAT NUMBER FOR YOU. THE SECOND THING IS I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO MUCH INTO THIS. IF ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE IS THINKING OK SO THERE IS THINGS THAT WE'RE BEING CRITICAL ABOUT.

WE THINK THAT WEST RECOMMEND HAS NOT DONE.

SO THE FARRING FIELD ISSUE IS SOMETHING RECENT FOR ME FINDING OUT THAT THE REASON THERE HAS BEEN A THREE YEAR LAPSE IN THE MAINTENANCE, I DIDN'T KNOW THE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE WAS EVERY YEAR AND A HALF. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO TELL THE PUBLIC IS WE NEED LOOK INTO BREACH OF CONTRACT.

I THINK THOSE ARE STRONG STRONG WORDS BUT THOSE ARE MY TOWARDS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN THE MARINA.

WE PAID FULL FARE , THE FULL AMOUNT THAT THEY ARE DESPITE TOLD GET PAID FOR MANAGEMENT. BUT THE MARINA WAS CLOSED.

SO WHAT WERE THEY DOING AND WHAT IS THE MARINA BEING CLOSED HAVE TO DO WITH INSPECTING? I DON'T KNOW A MOORING CHAIN BALL FROM A BUOY. I KNOW THEY ARE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RIVER. WHY WEREN'T THEY INSPECTED? THEY STILL HAVE A BOAT. I HAVE CONCERNS.

I'M LIKE WAIT A SECOND. IF WE'RE PAYING THEM THEIR FULL PRICE, WHY WEREN'T THEY DOING THIS? THERE ARE OTHER THINGS I WON'T GET INTO NOW WE THINK WERE NOT MAINTAINED AND THEREFORE CAUSED THE CITY DAMAGES WE WOULD NOT HAVE SUFFERED OTHERWISE IF THEY DIDN'T DO THAT THEIR JOB.

Y'ALL CAN TELL ME DON'T TRY THAT -T.

BUT I THINK I SHOULD LOOK DESPITE.

>> I POINT OUT AS I HAVE REPEATEDLY IN THE PAST THAT DOC TWO AND THREE IN THE NORTH HAVE NOT BEEN MAINTAINED AND THAT IS GOING BACK YEARS. NOW INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT SOMETHING GRADUATED OVER A LITTLE BIT EVERY YEAR.

NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT AND TO BE HONEST WHAT THAT IS GOING TO COST IS BETWEEN 100 AND $300,000 TO FIX.

>> I'M SAYING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW A BUOY FROM A MOORING BALL CHAIN. SOMEBODY KNOWS AND CAN TELL US WHETHER OR NOT THOSE THINGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.

A NATURAL DISASTER PREVENTS YOU FROM FROM CONFORMING TO YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES UNDER A CONTRACT.

I NEED TO KNOW WHY THAT HAPPENED.

DID WE OR HU HUSH HU HUNDREDS P? >> I TEND TO DO THAT.

THE OTHER THING IS MAYBE WE'D HAVE A FEW MORE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THE MARINA. WE PROBABLY NEED TO MAKE THIS WATER PARK DEVELOPMENT SLASH MARINA.

>> THE NEXT TIME I HAVE A NOTICE, MARINA.

MARINA FINANCING HAS NOTHING DO TO THE DO WITH WATER PARK.

>> THANK YOU. >> 11.3 BEACHES.

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>> WOULD YOU PULL UP MY POWER POINT PLEASE?

>> WHAT YOU ARE GOING SEE HERE IS A SUCCESS STORY.

NOW YOU MIGHT THINK THAT'S A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.

BUT WHAT THAT IS IS THAT SIGN WAS INSTALLED IN 2014.

THIS IS THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN. THAT SIGN WAS FOUR AND A HALF FEET ABOVE THE BASE OF THE DUNE. IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME FROM 2014 TO TODAY THAT DUNE HAS GROWN THAT AMOUNT.

THIS HAPPENS TO BE RIGHT ABOUT 10 NORTH.

WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING OUR DUNE MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR A LONG TIME.

THAT IT WAS REQUIRED. AND I EVEN WROTE WE'VE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS ON IT. WHAT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU -- WHAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU AND YOU JUST SAW THE FIRST SLIDE IS WE HAVE AN EFFECTIVE DUNE MANAGEMENT PLAN TODAY.

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>>> NEXT SLIDE. 1964 NORTH END.

THERE IS NO BEACH. I DON'T KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE BUT THERE WAS RIFFRAFF DOWN THIS ENTIRE BEACH.

THIS YOU'LL SEE IN THE SLIDE BEFORE.

THIS IS 35 SOUTH TODAY RIGHT HERE AND YOU'LL NOTICE IT STOPS AND THIS IS WHERE IT STOPS. THIS WAS THE BEACH.

THE DUNE HAS BUILT UP THERE. WHAT YOU ARE SEEING HERE ARE NEW DEP PERMITTED WALKOVERS. THIS IS ACTUALLY NORTH BEACH PARK. I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING.

WE ALL GOT TO SLIDE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THE SLIDE OF GOOD JOB.

THIS IS AN ACCESS. THAT WAS THE BEACH.

MY POINT IS WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO ALL OUR ADA ACCESSES. I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE.

SO WHAT IS OUR MANAGEMENT PLAN? A MANAGEMENT PLAN IS MANY FOLD.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. THE AGREEMENT WITH U.S. NAVY WITH STATE OF FLORIDA FROM WHICH BASICALLY NORTH END.

BEACH FILLS TODAY WHICH WAS LIMITED BASED ON BEACH COMPATIBLE MATERIAL. THEY SHOULD HAVE PIPES OFF THE BEACH. 2008 DUNE PROTECTION PROGRAM.

79% PAID FEDERAL, 6% OR 9% STATE AND WE SPLIT THE REST.

TWO YEARS AGO 32,000. WE DIDN'T PAY ANYTHING.

AS YOU ALL KNOW THE U.S. CORE OF ENGINEERS WAS HERE AND PRESENTED THE DUNE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM RESILIENCY PROGRAM IN WASHINGTON, D.C. TODAY TO GET APPROVAL.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT THE CORP IS COME TO THE CONCLUSION.

THIS IS AFTER RESULT OF HURRICANE SANDY THE DUNES ARE AN IMPORTANT POINT. AND TRYING TO INCORPORATE DUNES INTO BEACH RENOURISHMENT. IN THE CITY'S PROGRAM WHICH IS SUPPORTED BY THE CORP OF ENGINEERS AND SCIENCE GAP ELIMINATION, THAT IS THE FOUR DOING NOW AND THE NINE WE GOT IN, WE ELIMINATE THE GAPS. WALK OVER SAN E SAND FENCES VEGETATION BY HOPEFULLY NEXT COMMISSION WE'LL HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE FOUR PROJECTS WE'RE AT. ALONG WITH IN 2012 APPROXIMATE WE PUT OUT A BEACH DRIVE WHICH CAN PROTECTED THE DUNES.

I THINK THAT'S ALL. IS THAT THE LAST SLIDE?

>> NAVY MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN U.S. NAVY

AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA.@>> ANF ENGINEERS.

>> THE OTHER ONE. >> U.S. ARMY CORPSE OF

ENGINEERS. >> BASICALLY WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT DUNE MANAGEMENT PLAN AND RESILIENCY PROGRAM -- AS TO IT'S THERE. NOW THERE IS LOTS OF OTHER PLANS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON IN THE COMP PLAN.

BOTTOM LINE I WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU WHEN I POINTED IT OUT FOREVER ANY WAYS. THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT OUR DUNES AND GROWN AND GROWN. THE PRIMARY ELEMENT IS ALL THESE PROGRAMS IS THAT WE'VE BEEN LUCKY AND THE WEATHER HAS BEEN GOOD. WE WENT THROUGH THREE CLIMATE EMERGENCIES. THREE PRETEND HUN HURRICANES.

AND OUR BEACHES ARE IN TIPTOP SHAPE.

I FORGOT TO MENTION THE MONITORING REPORT WHICH PRESENTED HERE. ALTHOUGH THE SHORE PROTECTION STOPS AT SADLER , THE BEACH DESIGN AND OFFSHORE FLOW COVERS THE WHOLE ISLAND. AND SO THAT WAS DESIGN OF THE PROGRAM. I THINK I'M DONE.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >>

>> I HAVE TWO ISSUES AND THEY BOTH HAVE TO DO WITH TDC FUNDING. THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS GILL LANGLEY WHO IS THE DIRECTOR C.E.O. OF THE TDC WHICH IS THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. DOES A WONDERFUL JOB.

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BUT GILL LANGLEY IS SIMP THINK ADMINISTRATOR.

HE DOESN'T DECIDE WHAT GET FUNDING ED AND HE DOESN'T VOTE.

IT IS TDC CONCEIT THAT RECOMMENDS AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO APPROVE. THAT IS ANY PROJECT HAS TO GO THROUGH TDC FIRST, THEY RECOMMEND UTFA AND THEN THEY APPROVE IT. GILL LANGLEY MAYBE THERE AS THE ADMINISTRATOR BUT HE DID YOU WANT VOTE AND I THINK HE DOES A WONDERFUL JOB. THE FIRST ISSUE IS THAT WE HAVE BASICALLY RECENTLY COUNTY IS GETTING READY TO AWARD A CONTRACT TO CLEAN ALL THE BEACHES AND PART OF THAT IS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE EMPTYING THE COUNTY TRASH CANCEL.

I ASK THAT WE HAVE A CONSENSUS TO ASK THE TDC TO PAY FOR THE EMPTYING OF OUR BEACH TRASH CANCEL WHICH ADVANCE NOW DOES AND I THINK THAT COMES TO $28,000 A YEAR THAT THEY WOULD BE THAT THE TDC WOULD CONSIDER FUNDING THAT WHICH WOULD BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN THE COUNTY.

SECOND ISSUE IS THAT WE ASK -- WE SENT TO THE TDC ASKING THEM TO PAY FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THE BEACH BOARD WALK.

AT THE MEETING I GOT UP AND THERE IS A VERY NICE ACCOUNTING THAT HAVE IN THE LAST -- THANK YOU FOR YOUR ARTICLE.

IT'S WELL WRITTEN. IT TELLS WHAT HAPPENED AT THE TDC. BASICALLY I MOVED THAT WE HAVE 100% FUNDING OF THAT BOARD WALK. I WAS QUITE SURPRISED WHEN CHAIRMAN LEAPER SAID THAT HE THOUGHT THAT WAS INPORTFOLIO.

THAT THEY WOULD ONLY BE WILLING TO FUND A SMALL PORTION OF IT.

AND THEN I WAS REALLY SURPRISED WHEN COMMISSIONER KROGER WENT ALONG WITH HIM BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT THE CON SEN US WAS TDC SHOULD PAY FOR. THIS AND I'M STILL OF THAT OPINION. I GUESS OTHERS ARE NOT.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THOUGHT ONS WHAT WE THINK THE TDC SHOULD BE PAYING WHEN WE GO ASK THEM.

WE DON'T ASK THEM FOR MUCH. THEY'VE SAID BRING US THINGS AND WE'VE BROUGHT THEM VERY LITTLE. NOW APPARENTLY THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO GIVE US A PERCENTAGE OF THAT.

AND THAT CAME OUT OF THE BLUE. IT'S NEVER BEEN THERE BEFORE IN THE THREE YEARS I'VE BEEN DOING THIS AND I WAS QUITE SURPRISED.

I THINK THAT THE TDC SHOULD BE PAYING A LARGE PORTION OF WHAT WE ASK FOR BECAUSE WE DON'T ASK FOR MUCH AND WE DO SUBSIDIES TOURIST WITH OUR PARKING LOTS, POLICE, FIRE AND RESCUE, LIFE GUARDS. AND SO I THINK THAT IT IS NOT UNREASONABLE TO ASK THEM TO FUND SOME THINGS 100%.

>> FOR YEARS YOU ARE CORRECT WE NEVER ASKED THEM FOR ANYTHING UNTIL WE ASKED THEM THE FIRST TIME TO REIMBURSE US FOR BEACH KEEPERS I WON'T GET INTO. THAT WAS ALWAYS BASED ON A PERCENTAGE OF OVERNIGHT USAGE. YOU'VE SEEN I'M SURE SOME OF THESE EMAILS WENT OUT. THE REASON FOR THAT , THE REASON I SUGGESTED THAT. THE REASON I SUPPORTED IT, IF YOU'LL NOTICE THE TWO REQUEST THE COUNTY HAD TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE WITHIN 30%. THEY DIDN'T SAY THIS IDEAL I ASKED THEM. THAT IS A WAY THAT WE CAN CONSISTENTLY GET FUNDING FOR OUR PROJECTS AND WHAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. THAT UNDERSTANDING CAME FROM A MEETING AND I MENTIONED THAT I HAD WITH TAMMY, DALE, MR. MULLEN. THE 30% WOULD BE EXCELLENT FOR THE CITY. MY INTERPRETATION OF WHERE THE

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TDC MEETINGS I'VE ATTENDED A LOT OF THOSE BEACH WALK YEARS.

I JUST ADVOCATED FOR THE CITY TAXPAYER I THINK WE'VE PAID AND PAID UNDEFIED MAINTAIN BY CITY RESIDENT.

I BELIEVE IN THAT. IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO PONY UP THE CITY COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO PONY UP AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS PONY UP AND GIVE US MONEY TO HELP US SUPPORT ALL OF THIS. THAT'S JUST INTEREST MY BELIEF.

WHAT I SEE HAPPENING IS YOU HAVE A BELIEF AND YOU THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AND ALMOST INVAR BLUE THESE THINGS FAIL YOUR BELIEFS BECAUSE YOU CHOOSE TO GO TO WAR.

YOU CHOOSE TO BE ADVERSARIAL. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE NOT ONLY WILL GET 30% FOR THE WALKOVER. I WOULD SUGGEST IF WE FOLLOW THROUGH WE'LL GET 30% FOR THE RESTROOMS AT NORTH BEACH PARK AND THE REWARD NORTH BEACH PARK. RUNNING A CITY OR A BUSINESS ISN'T LIKE RUNNING THE EMERGENCY ROOM.

YOU BRING UP THE EMERGENCY ROOM ALL THE TIME.

THE EMERGENCY ROOM YOU DO SOMETHING AND YOU ARE DONE AND IT'S OVER WITH. THAT IS NOT HOW YOU RUN CITIES.

YOU REASON CITIES BY STRATEGICALLY PLANNING.

BY WORKING WITH PEOPLE. PERFECT EXAMPLE.

THIS EXAMPLE THAT WE'VE BEEN ALL UPSET WITH THE BEACH RAKER WHERE WE ARBITRARY CREATED OUR OWN CRISIS WHICH WE'LL NEVER RECOVER THE $150,000. I'M TELLING YOU WE CAN WORK WITH THEM AND WE EFFECTIVELY WORK WITH THEM.

WE ACTUALLY SAT DOWN AND TALKED TO US AND THEY TURNOVER US.

WE WROTE THE PLAN. THEY TAKE A LONG TIME.

WE TOOK LESS. IT'S OUT ON THE STREET AND BACK AND PROBABLY REWARD. I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU MOVE TO THE MIDDLE A LITTLE BIT AND GET SOME COOPERATION AND START STRATEGIC PLANNING YOU CAN BE SUCCESSFUL.

YOU WANT TO FIGHT A WAR WITH EVERYBODY.

>> I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT A WAR WITH ANYBODY.

>> YOU WANT TO FIGHT A WAR WITH THE CORP.

IT'S THE COUNTY. I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS AN EFFORT TO ESTABLISH A GOOD PLAN WHERE WE CAN RECOVER OUR MONEY AND WE CAN RECOVER. AND THE ORIGINAL LETTER FROM THE CITY MANAGER ASKED FOR A PORTION OF THE BEACH WALKOVER S THAT NOT

CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> SO LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND GET OUR 30% FOR THAT.

LET'S GET OUR 30% FOR THE OTHER ONES AND TRY AND GET OUR 30% FOR 27 WHICH IS IN THIS YEAR'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN OF $250,000. LET'S GET AHEAD OF THE GAME.

YOU NEVER GOT THE MEMO FOR THE MEETING.

YOU WERE THERE. THE COMMENT WAS MADE.

YOU NEVER ASKED FOR ANYTHING. I'M SAYING WE CAN GET STUFF BUT LET'S HAVE A PLAN. IF WE GO TO THEIR PLAN IT'S

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FINE. WE GOT PEOPLE OUT THERE NOW THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE SAYING 10% MAXIMUM BY STATE LAW.

OTHER PEOPLE DON'T IMPLY SO WE SHOULD NOT IMPLY WITH THE STATE LAW. ALTHOUGH THIS YEAR WE'RE GETTING 15%. I'M NOT IMPLYING YOU SAID THAT.

THEY PAID THE WHOLE SHARE OF THE $32 MILLION.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> >> I THINK YOU ARE CONFUSED.

>> YOU ARE RIGHT. I'M SEA AGGRESSIVE AND I'M AN ADVOCATE. BUT I LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE DO NOT WHAT THEY SAY. AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THEM GIVING US ANY MONEY. AND THAT IS WHERE I STAND.

AND SO WHAT MONEY HAVE THEY GIVEN US?

>> $865,000. >> FOR?

>> THE RENOURISHMENT. >> THEY PAID THE WHOLE BILL FOR

THE BEACH THEY USE. >> WE CAN AGREE, WE CAN DISAGREE. I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH YOU.

WE HAVE A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO THINGS.

WE SHALL SEE WRIT ALL WORKS OUT. >> I'M DONE.

>> >> NOT THE WAY YOU WANT TO

HANDLE THINGS. >> SO I WAS AT THAT MEETING AS YOU ARE BOTH AWARE. AND I WAS SURPRISED BY THAT 30%.

DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE IT CAME FROM.

AND HOW THEY ARRIVED. IN WE KEEP SUBMITTING PROJECTS TO THEM WE WON'T KNOW THE FORMULA.

>> THEY'LL BE BACK NEXT MEETING. >> THEY ARE COMING BACK WITH A

FORMULA TO APPROVE. >> ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUSH BACK IF WE DON'T LIKE THEIR FORMULA?

>> YES. >> DID WE COME TO A CONSENSUS ABOUT ASKING THEM TO PAY FOR EMPTYING OUR TRASH?

>> I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. >> TO DO THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE APPROVED THAT CONTRACT YET.

>> THEY HAVEN'T. >> I THINK A WAY TO APPROACH THAT REMEMBER ONE OF THE THINGS IS ADVANCE SO I THINK ASKING THEM IN THE PROCESS OF APPROVING THAT TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE NEGOTIATIONS OF THE APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACT MIGHT BE A VIABLE METHOD DALE COULD TALK TO MULLEN.

I THINK THAT MIGHT WORK. OTHERWISE I'M WITH YOU.

WE RECOLLECTESHOULD ASK THEM TO. >> I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT

POINT. >> IS THAT GOOD FOR YOU SIR?

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>> THANK YOU. FIRST EVERYONE WATCHING PLEASE BE ADVICED THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PERSONNEL ADVISED OF POTENTIAL FOR SEVERE WERTH FOR THE REMAINED IROF THE WEEK.

SPECIFICALLY HIGH WINDS AND HEAVY RAINS, PERHAPS GETTING HERE AS EARLY AS THURSDAY. PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THE WEATHER. I'D LIKE THE THANK CHIEF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS AWARD CEREMONY.

IT TRULY IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE EVENINGS OF THE YEAR.

HIGHLIGHTING ALL THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ESPECIALLY OFFICER OF THE YEAR.

CONGRATULATIONS TO MR. KERRI. WE HAVE SCHEDULED A TALLAHASSEE TRIP. CITY ATTORNEY AND I CAN TELL YOU WITH REPORTS FROM THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES ABOUT THE ONGOING PRESEDGES EFFORTS BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE, WHETHER IT'S VACATION RENTALS, TREE ORDINANCES , THE STATE LOOKING TO STRIP LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM POWER.

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COMMISSION SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY 18.

PRIOR TO THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

THEN FOLLOWING NIGHT WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE NASSAU COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD ON FEBRUARY 19.

HE HAS SECURED THE ASSISTANCE, THE ONGOING EFFORTS, THEY'VE BEEN BUSY WITH OTHER ISSUES. WE ARE APPLYING EXTENSIVE PRESSURE. THE TRC REVIEW NEBRASKA 13TH MAYBE. AND I'D LIKE THE THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMISSIONS TO THE SESSION. THE CRITICAL WAS THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WITH THE CONCEPT FOR THE WATER FRONT.

AGAIN ARGUE WARE THAT CONCEPT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE CHAIRPERSON ON EACH OF THE BOARDS.

I BLOCK FORWARD TO COMPILING THOSE COMMENTS AND COMING BOOK

YOU. >> AS WE ALL KNOW AT THE END OF ATLANTIC IS THERE A HOTEL GOING UP THAT IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL TO SAY THE LEAST. I WONDER IF WE HAD CONTACT OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO BECOME A REAL BUG BOO WHEN THAT OPENS AND WE HAVE MORE FOOT TRAFFIC THERE AND

WE HAVE PEDESTRIAN. >> I'VE REACHED OUT THE FDOT.

I DID ASK THEM FOR REPORTS OR STUDIES OR ANALYSIS THEY'VE COMPLETED. THE A1A200 CORE.

NOTHING YET. >> I HAVE THREITELES.

>> THREE ITEMS FOR THE CITY MANAGER.

>> I READ THE EMAIL ABOUT THE OIL INCIDENT AT THE MARINA.

AND WAS PUZZLED BY THEY DON'T KNOW SOURCE.

>> MY DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. STRING AROUND GLISTEN WERE IT HAS BEEN SPECIFICALLY DETERMINED IT'S NOT MARINA ITSELF OR A VESSEL BASED IN THE MARINA.

AND THE COAST GUARD AND DEP HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE POTENTIAL SOURCE IS AT.

I NEED TO BE ABLE TO REPORT TO THE COMMISSION AND COMMUNITY THE CITY NOT AT FAULT NOR THE MARINA.

THE COAST GUARD IS CONDUCTING AN INVESTIGATION.

IT'S BEEN MITIGATED. >> CORRECT.

>> WE'VE CONTINUED THAT AND I EXPECT TO HERE SOME CONCURRENCE OR WE SHARE WITH THEM THE PREVIOUS EXTERNAL THEY WERE RECEPTIVE ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS AT THE COST OF

INCREASING FINES. >> AND I WILL ASKING ABOUT TREE CANOPY. WE HAVE CONTRACTED TO MEASURE THE TREE CANOPY AND ESTABLISH THE BASE LINE AND WE WILL GET HA IN THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 2030-60 DAYS.

>> MEASUREMENT WITHIN 30-60 DAYS.

>> WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IF I COULD ASK.

THE CHANGES BACK TO TEN YEARS. TO TODAY.

SO THAT WE GET TO SEE THE LAST TEN YEARS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING

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TO THE TREE CANOPY. I KNOW CITY MANAGER WANTS TO GET OUT OF HERE. THERE ARE FIVE BILLS PENDING.

FIRST OF ALL THE PORT AUTHORITY BY THEIR ATTORNEY SEEMS MONEY FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY THAT SOMEHOW PAYS FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR POLICE AND FIRE.

WE CHECKED WITH OUR COMPTROLLER. AND WE RECEIVED ZERO DOLLARS FROM HOMELAND SECURITY. WHAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ARE GRANTS. WE HAVE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE GRANT, WE HAVE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE GRANTS.

THAT'S IT. NO HOMELAND SECURITY MONEYS.

WE GET ZERO. THIS YEAR ZERO FROM THE PORT FOR SERVICES. REGARDING THE MEDIATION SCHEDULE, STILL HAVEN'T AGREED ON A MEDIATOR.

WE ARE NOW AT THE LAST LEVEL OF CHOOSING A MEDIATOR AND THIS IS GOING THROUGH THE STATE RESOLUTION CONSORTIUM.

I'VE ASKED MR. BRAN NUMB TO CHOOSE ANY ATTORNEY OR TWO AND I'LL MOST LIKELY AGREE DEPENDING ON IF THEIR BACKGROUND IS SPACE LAW THAT WON'T WORK. WILL IS SPACE LAW.

THERE IS ANIMAL LAW TOO. PENDING BILLS.

HOUSE BILL 2821 TO FUND DOWNTOWN STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAS ALREADY PASSED. AT LEAST ONE COMMITTEE SO IT'S BEING VIEWED POSITIVELY REPRESENTATIVE BIRD SPONSORED THAT. HOUSE BILL 28-29 IS RESTORATION MONEY THAT THE CITY IS ASKING FOR.

THAT IS ALSO RECEIVED UNANIMOUS SUPPORT THROUGH THIS ONE COMMITTEE. WE WILL BE THERE NEXT WEEK TOASTIES WHERE WE ARE WITH THOSE BILLS AND THINK APPROPRIATIONS IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN IS THE NEXT AND VERY IMPORTANT COMMITTEE THOSE WILL GO THROUGH. JUST A FEW BILLS.

HOUSE BILL 537. THESE ARE ONES THAT THE CITY AND ALL LOCAL GOVERNMENTS RIGHT NOW ARE TRYING TO BAN TOGETHER AND OPPOSE. VERY IMPORTANT.

HOUSE BILL 537 RELATES TO HOME BASED BUSINESSES.

THE STATE LEGISLATOR THAT SPONSORING THE BILL AND THOSE THAT HAVE VOTED FOR IT SO FAR SAY THAT CITIES AND COUNTIES SHOULD BE PRE-EMPTED FROM REGULATING HOME BASED BUSINESSES AT ALL. THAT IS SCARY.

MAY NOT SEEM -- YOU THINK OF TELEMARKETERS BUT WE COULD HAVE CUSTOMERS IN DRIVEWAYS OF YOUR NEIGHBORS AND THINGS LIKE.

THAT WE ARE OPPOSING THAT BILL. HOUSE BILL 1011 NOT SCARY FOR FERN DINA BEACH BUT OTHERS BEWARE EARLY.

IT'S ABOUTRY SORT RENTENS. ALL OF THE LOCAL ORDINANCES IN PLACE BY JUNE 2011 WHICH OURS HAVE BEEN JUST IF TIME GOT AMENDMENTS DONE. SO WE'RE SAFE WITH OURS.

ANY ADJUST DICTION WILL BE PRE-EMPTED.

WE WILL BE FINE. SENATE BILL 1128 BAD FOR US AND REALLY ALL LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. IF WE THINK ABOUT IT AS TAXPAYERS EVERYBODY SHOULD OPPOSE THIS BECAUSE PART OF REVENUE FOR CITIES ARE FEES. OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE FEES OR BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS WHICH WILL R BUSINESS LICENSES HELP FUND OUR GOVERNMENT AND DEFRAY COST FROM TAXPAYERS.

THIS IS A TOTAL PREACCEPTION. NO BUSINESS WILL BE REGULATED OR LICENSED THROUGH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

IT WILL ALL GO THROUGH STATE IF THEY CHOOSE TO REGULATE IT.

PLEASE OPPOSE THAT BILL. THIS WILL BE AN EXPENSE THE CITY ENSURED WAY ABOVE THIS SO WE SHOULD BE OK.

DEALS WITH SOVEREIGN UNITY WHICH MEANS GOVERNMENTS GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF IMMUNITY AND WE ARE CAPPED AT $300,000 PER CLAIM FOR ANY TYPE OF TORT OR NEGLIGENCE LIABILITY TYPE OF THINK.

DOESN'T DEAL WITH CONTRACTS. WE'RE CAPPED AT 300.

THE PROPOSAL THAT IS PENDING IS THAT IT BE CAPPED AT 500,000.

THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

WE TRY PROTECT TAXPAYERS FROM THE BIG CLAIMS.

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SENATE BILL 1766 REALLY SCARY. BURT HARRIS ANOTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS WHERE WE'RE GOING IN THIS TOWN.

THEY WANT TO GIVE PROPERTY OWNERS MORE RIGHTS TO BRING BURT HARRIS TAKING CLAIMS BASICALLY AGAINST CITIES AND COUNTIES.

AND THEN WHAT THEY'LL DO IF THIS PASSES AND THIS IS THE PART THAT REALLY IS THE NEGATIVE PART IS IF LET'S SAY I'M GOING TO USE THIS EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT'S THE MOST GLARING ONE FOR US.

AMELIA BLUFF. SAY WE SETTLED WITH THE DEVELOPER $1 MILLION. EVERYBODY SINGLE SIMILARLY SITUATED PRIVATE PROPERTY OWN THEY'RE HAS VACANT PROPERTY NOW AWOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP AND WE WANT IT TO BE CONSERVATION LAND BECAUSE OF ITS IMPACT , THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO PAY DEPENDING ON APPRAISALS AND THIS IS JUST GENERALLY $1.5 MILLION TO EACH PROPERTY OWNER ASSUMING THEY ARE SIMILARLY SITUATED.

WE ARE NO LONGER DEALING WITH ONE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWN THEY'RE DOESN'T LIKE THE REGULATIONS. NOW WE HAVE TO GO AND TREAT ALL OF THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWN TERSE SAME WAY.

COULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE. AND CERTAINLY WILL CAUSE A @CHILLY EFFECT ON POLICY MAKERS THAT WANT TO ADOPT POLICIES TO DO THINGS LIKE PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENTS AND CONTROL OR HAVE SMART GROWTH. PLEASE OPPOSE IT.

I'M SAYING THIS NOT BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING ON YOUR BEHALF, WE ARE. BUT YOU CAN REACH OUT IN YOUR GROUPS AND REACH OUT THE OUR LEGISLATORS NOT JUST THE LOCAL DELEGATION BUT ALL OF THEM THERE.

THE LAST ONE SENATE BILL 11742 COMMUNICATION SERVICES TAX, THIS IS A SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR THE CITY.

AND THEY ARE ABOUT TO CUT IT, GUT IT.

NOT ZERO BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK CAP IS 10%.

THEY WANT TO MAKE IT 3% AS THE CAP.

THEN OTHER AGENCIES AT 2%. THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT REVENUE SOURCES FOR THE CITY. ONE OTHER THING.

HOUSE BILL 6403 THEY WANT TO REMOVE THE PRESEDGES ON PLASTIC BAG BANS. SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PASS SUCH

A LOCAL ORDINANCE. >> THAT'S GREAT.

JUST TO BE A DOWNER. WE'VE TRIED THAT EVERY YEAR FOR

THE PAST FIVE YEARS. >> I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO

PASS. >> THE MORE PEOPLE THAT REACH OUT THE BETTER. TOMORROW AFTERNOON I'LL BE OUT OF THE OFFICE BUT AVAILABLE BY PHONE.

THANK YOU. >> I HAVE SENT TWO MAYBE THREE EMAILS TO THE ATTORNEY. I DRAFTED THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT THEY ASKED FOR TO THE PORT AUTHORITY SO THEY WOULD SIGN THIS LETTER OF SPONSORSHIP. MY SECOND QUESTION THAT IF WE GO TO MEDIATION I WAS CURIOUS TO HEAR FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE SOME OF THEM POSED A QUESTIONS WE SHOULD COMPROMISE WITH THE POINT. I UNDERSTAND I'M COMBATIVE AND THEY SHOULD BE PAYING US $50,000 A YEAR WHEN THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING US 187,000. I WAS WONDERING WHAT THAT COMPROMISE MIGHT LOOK LIKE. FIRST OF ALL THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY IS THE PROBLEM. WAS THERE A WAY THEY COULD LOOK AT WHEN THE FEES WOULD COME IN WHICH ARE FOUR YEARS AWAY.

ALL I SAID WAS I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT TALKING TO THEM AND THAT WAS THE COMPROMISE HE MADE. I'M NOT SO SURE THAT WHENEVER WE

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DO IN MEDIATION WE'RE GOOD AT WALKING AWAY FROM MEDIATION TOO.

I THOUGHT THEY WERE RECEPTIVE. THEY SAY THEY HAVE NO MONEY.

THEY DOUBLED THEIR SALARIES. >> YOU CAN ROLL YOUR EYES.

THEY CAN ROLL THEIR EYES. THEY DOUBLED THEIR SALARIES.

THE WAY THIS IT WILL WORK. THE MEDIATOR IS SO IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN BUT THERE HAS TO BE TIME WHERE EACH OF THE BODIES IS SITTING SEPARATELY. MEDIATION DOESN'T WORK REALLY WELL. AT LEAST FOR THE MEDIATOR TO INJECT I'M GOING TO SAY SOME SENSE INTO THE PORT AND THEIR ATTORNEY. IT DOES WORK AND NEAT SUN SIDELINE LAW REQUIREMENTS. ARE THERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? I 450 DAYS OF THE LETTER INITIATING THIS PROCESS.

A MEDIATOR HAD TO BE SHE CANNED IN 10 DAYS.

14 DAYS WOULD BE THIS FRIDAY. WHY ARE WE GIVING THEM UNTIL

FEBRUARY? >> IF I COUNT IT OUT DOES HE GET THAT OTHER DAY. THAT'S ALL.

BY TUESDAY THEN WE'RE GOING TO SAY THEY ARE ACTING IN BAD FAITH I THINK. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE.

>> BY THE WAY I'M BEING NICE. I AM YOUR ADVOCATE.

BUT THIS PART I AM BEING COLLEGIAL.

>> THAT'S GOOD. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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>> >> THANK YOU TO CHIEF FOR THE INVITATION TO ATTEND THE ANNUAL AWARDS BANK WET.

IT WAS A PLEASURE AND CONGRATULATIONS TO WENDY FOR RECEIVING THE CIVILIAN EMPLOYEE OF THE YEAR AWARD.

AND DALE, I HEARD THERE WERE BUT I NEVER DID SEE YOU SO MY APOLOGIES. I DID LOOK FOR YOU AND LISA.

BUT I DID SEE THE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF YOUR ATTENDANCE.

>> AND JUST TO FOR YOU AND TAMMY I'LL HOLD DOWN THE FORT WHILE

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Y'ALL ARE IN TALLAHASSEE. >> THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL SIR. >> WE LIVE ON AN ISLAND THAT IS

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TRULY A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. FOR MOST OF US PARADISE AND A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. BUT THERE ARE SOME WHO LIVE ON THIS ISLAND IT'S NOT PARADISE. LAST THURSDAY I ATTENDED THE ANNUAL BARN BUS CENTER ANNUAL MEETING.

WHAT IS OFTEN FORGOTTEN IS SOME RESIDENTS ON OUR ISLAND THAT LACK ENOUGH FOOD AND THEY LOOK BASIC MINIMUM DENTAL CARE.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REALLY COMMEND THE ORGANIZATION FOR PHENOMENAL JOB THEY DO IN SUPPORTING THESE PEOPLE IN MEETING SOME OF THE BASIC NEEDS MANY OF US JUST TAKE FOR GRABBED. GRANTED.

MY HATS OFF TO THEM FOR WHAT A FANTASTIC JOB THEY DO.

>> IT TOOK ME BACK TO THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES AND MRE'S.

THERE IS A MEDICAL CLINIC AND DENTAL FAIR.

IT'S ONE STOP SHOP FOR PEOPLE THAT NEED HELP.

IT'S PHENOMENAL. NICE STUFF.

BEAUTIFUL FACILITY. >> THEY ARE IN THE TOP 1% OF ALL AGENCIES IN THE COUNTRY AND THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE.

TOP 1%. TOP NOTCH.

AND IN MY OTHER LITTLE WORLD WHERE I'M A LITTLE MORE DIRECTIVE I GUESS. I SEND A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THEM AND THEY DO GREAT WORK FOR THEM. THEY REALLY DO.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THEY DO PROVIDE A HUGE SERVICE

FOR US. >> FIRST I WANT TO THANK THE CHIEF FOR THE WONDERFUL AWARD NIGHT.

IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT IF I'M CORRECT WE'RE NOW AT FULL COMPLEMENT WITH THE NEW HIRES. YOU REALIZE YOU ARE GETTING OLD WHEN YOU LOOK AT A NEW POLICE OFFICER AND SAY MY GOD HE'S ONLY 12 OR 13 YEARS OLD. AND I WANT TO CONGRATULATE ALL OF THE AWARD WINNERS AND WANT TO WELCOME TO THE CITY OUR NEW RECRUITS. THANK YOU FOR MY SHIRT.

I HAVE BOTH FIRST RESPONDERS TO WEAR.

SATURDAY WAS FOR ME A VERY UNIQUE EXPERIENCE TO SEE 59,000 BAGS OF FOOD PUT TOGETHER IN 75 MINUTES.

I HAVE TO TELL YOU AT ONE POINT I THINK THERE WAS RICE FLYING EVERYWHERE. THE PART THAT WAS MOST INTERESTING WAS MY WHAT I DID WAS HELP PUT ALL THE SEALED BAGS IN BOXES AND I WAS WORKING WITH STEVE MURPHY.

IF THE GOLF COURSE NEED MONEY, THEY CAN HIRE HIM TO SING.

I'LL LET THAT ONE GO AT THAT. AND YESTERDAY SEVERAL OF US WENT UP TO GEORGIA TO THE -- IT WAS RATHER IMPRESSIVE SERVICE.

I FOUND OUT ONE OF THE CASUALTIES WAS LAST NAME OF CHAPMAN. WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT, LIKE ONE OF THE BIG THINGS I LEARNED WAS JACKSONVILLE BECAUSE OF THAT DEVELOPED AN EMS SYSTEM.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> WE SHOULD ALTERNATE. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

>> WE CELEBRATED BLACK HISTORY MONTH LAST NIGHT AT THE LIBRARY.

COMMISSIONER ROSS AND MANAGER MARTIN CITY ATTORNEY, VICE MAYOR DISCOVERED I CAN READ. AND WE HAD THE PLEASURE OF READING PASSAGES FROM BLACK AUTHORS.

AND I THINK WE HAD ABOUT 40 OR 50 PEOPLE THERE AND IT WAS JUST VERY MOVING AND GREAT TO BE THERE.

JUST TO HONOR THAT. POLICE CHIEF, I SAW YOU SHOPPING FOR DONUTS. ON FACEBOOK.

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THE CENTERPIECE WAS DONUTS AND COFFEE.

>> YOU HAVE ANY LEFTOVER? >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

WHAT I FOUND EXTRAORDINARY WAS THEIR USE OF FORCE RATE BY

ARRESTS WHICH IS LESS THAN 1%. >> 1 POINT SOMETHING% THAT THEY HAVE TO USE FORCE WHEN TAKING SOMEONE INTO CUSTODY.

IT'S THAT PHENOMENAL. REALLY UNBELIEVABLE.

COMMISSIONER ROSS AND I WERE AT THE BARN BASS EVENT.

WHEN YOU HEAR OF THEM FEEDING 360 SCHOOL CHILDREN A DAY WHO CAN'T AFFORD LUNCH. THAT REALLY TOUCHES YOUR HEART AND ALL OF THE OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS THAT THEY DO.

AND ALSO BAPTIST HOSPITAL WAS $1.3 MILLION IN X-RAY AND IMAGINING THAT THE HOSPITAL DONATED IT JUST SPEAKS ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND WHAT A GREAT PLACE WE LIVE.

I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR THAT. >> MOST OF IT'S BEEN COVERED.

IT WAS NICE CHIEF. AND DALE WAS THERE.

I SAT NEXT TO HIM TOO. I ATTENDED THE AMERICAN BEACH CEREMONY AT THE LAST WEEK IN JANUARY.

WHICH IS AN INTERESTING EVENT. LAST SATURDAY I READ A CITY PROCLAMATION REALLY COMING THE JERUSALEM GRAND CHAPTER AT THE FIRST MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH WHICH IS A RELIGIOUS MASONS GROUP FROM ALL OF NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

GAINESVILLE, PANAMA CITY BEACH. SO I DIDN'T GO AND WRAP ANY FOOD. WHAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT THAT IS WE TYKE FIRE ENGINE. THE REASON IS THAT THE ACTUAL DISASTER WAS INITIATED THE CALL FOR HELP WAS INITIATED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHO RESPONDED ALONG WITH FIRE DEPARTMENTS FROM AS FAR AS SAVANNAH AND JACKSONVILLE.

BUT THAT -- THEY HAVE A LITTLE MUSEUM IN KINGSTON, WE HAD TO PARK THE FIRE TRUCK OUTSIDE. AND THEN I READ A NICE POEM LAST NIGHT. THE SHORTEST ONE THERE.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS FOR YOUR EVENT. I HEARD GOOD THINGS.

I COULDN'T GET AWAY FROM WORK BUT I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY THANK SOME OF THE WINNERS AFTERWARDS I RAN INTO AT A SEPARATE LOCATION.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THAT. WE DID HAVE REQUEST I THINK WE ELUDED TO A FEW TIMES WE USE A LOT OF ACRONYMS. SOMEBODY SAID I HATE TO BE THE ONE THAT ASK BUT I DON'T KNOW HALF THE TIME WHAT THESE THINGS MEAN.

I APPRECIATE WHEN YOU DO YOUR SLIDES PUT WHAT WE'RE TALK ABOUT. I NOTICED WHEN I FIRST GOT HIRED WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NOT THE WELCOME CENTER BUT THE OPERATOR AT THE AIRPORT. THEY KEPT MENTIONING IT AND I WAS KNEW. EARLY AND I DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE GUY TO ASK. I WAS LIKE WHO IS EARL.

>> APPARENTLY IT WAS THE GUY FROM THE FAA THEY TOURED WITH.

LET'S BE CAREFUL. A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE ARE EMBARRASSED TO ASK IF THEY DON'T KNOW ANSWER.

IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN SUPPORTING THAT BILL, MAYBE GET IT TO A VOTE THIS YEAR. IF GOUDA ON FACEBOOK AND LOOK AT FLYER FLORIDA FROM. GET BEHIND THAT.

WE'LL BE THERE TUESDAY SO ILL TOSS THAT IN THERE AS WELL.

THAT A RECURRING BILL THAT HAS A LOT OF OPPOSITION FROM THE RETAIL ASSOCIATION WHO HAS A LOT OF LIQUID MONEY TO FIGHT THAT BILL EVERY YEAR. AND THEY SEND ME A MEDIA RELEASE ABOUT THIS SO I'LL SEND IT TO THE.

I'M GLAD YOU COVERED THE FACT WE DID NOT CREATE THIS BECAUSE I SAW IT DOWN THERE AND I WAS GLAD THAT WAS NOT ASSOCIATE TO US.

WITH THAT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOLKS.

WE'RE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.