[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM] [00:00:03] MEETING TO ORDER IS 5 O'CLOCK. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. WE GOT A KIND OF PACKED AGENDA THIS EVENING, 12 ITEMS. SO AS WE GO ALONG, I'LL HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY ADVISE US, BUT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING OUR TIME CONSTRAINTS PRETTY ON TIME THIS EVENING SO THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH ALL 12 AGENDA ITEMS AND NOT GET OUT OF HERE AT MIDNIGHT. THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. SO, MCKENNA, WOULD YOU MIND CALLING ROLL? MEMBER KOSACK? HERE. MEMBER PSULKOWSKI? YES. MEMBER SALA? HERE. MEMBER BYRNES ? HERE. MEMBER RILEY? HERE. MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? HERE. AND I MEANT VICE CHAIR. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'RE GOING TO STAND FOR THE FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO ASK IF ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DISCLOSE, STARTING WITH TAMMY. THE ONLY COMMUNICATION I HAD WAS REGARDING PROCEDURE FOR TONIGHT, BUT NOTHING REGARDING SPECIFIC CASES. THE SAME FOR ME WITH ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS. I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE IN OLD TOWN ABOUT THE OLD TOWN GUIDELINE ON THE AGENDA AND ON THE OTHER AGENDA ITEM IN OLD TOWN, 811 WHITE STREET, AND I SPOKE TO STAFF ABOUT A LOT OF THE ITEMS, AND I ALSO SPOKE ABOUT ONE OF THE PROCEDURE ISSUES. I SPOKE WITH STAFF ABOUT ALL THE PROJECTS. I SPOKE WITH THE ARCHITECT FOR HDC 2026-0025. I SPOKE WITH THE, I'M SORRY, I SPOKE WITH THE OWNER FOR HDC 2026-0025. I SPOKE WITH THE ARCHITECT FOR HDC 2026-0026. AND I SPOKE WITH THE CONTRACTOR FOR HDC 2026-0020. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, NOTHING. I SPOKE TO STAFF ABOUT ALL THE AGENDA ITEMS ON TONIGHT. AND THE LAST THREE CASES, EXCUSE ME, THREE CASES, HDC 2026-0029, 001, AND 0030. I WILL BE RECUSING MYSELF DUE TO FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THE CASE, AND I'LL BE HANDING THAT GAVEL OVER TO TAMMY FOR THOSE THREE CASES, UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY OBJECTION TO THAT ON THE BOARD. I'LL SANITIZE THE GAVEL. SOUNDS GOOD. AND FOR THE RECORD FOR THE AUDIENCE, THAT'S 5.6, 5.7, AND 5.8 ON YOUR AGENDA. I'M GOING TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PRESENT THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THE CASES ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL IN NATURE. A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING BY STATE STATUTE AND CASE LAW IS DIFFERENT THAN A REGULAR HEARING CONDUCTED BY THIS BOARD. A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING IS LESS FORMAL THAN A COURT HEARING, BUT SIMILAR IN PROCEDURES AND EVIDENTIARY MATTERS. APPLICANTS HAVE THE BURDEN OF DEMONSTRATING THROUGH COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT HIS OR HER APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES. THOSE OPPOSED MUST ALSO DEMONSTRATE THROUGH COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THE APPLICATION DOES NOT MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS. WHILE THE BOARD WELCOMES COMMENTS FROM ALL WHO HAVE AN INTEREST IN THESE PROCEEDINGS, FLORIDA LAW REQUIRES THAT THE BOARD'S DECISION IN QUASI-JUDICIAL ACTIONS BE SUPPORTED BY COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD DURING THE HEARING ON THE APPLICATION. COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IS SUCH EVIDENCE AS A REASONABLE MIND WOULD ACCEPT AS ADEQUATE TO SUPPORT A CONCLUSION. THERE MUST BE A FACTUAL BASIS IN THE RECORD TO SUPPORT YOUR OPINION TESTIMONY FROM BOTH AN EXPERT OR A NON-EXPERT WITNESS. GENERAL OBJECTIONS WITHOUT SPECIFIC EVIDENCE DOES NOT CONSTITUTE SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE. THE ONLY MATERIAL OR RELEVANT EVIDENCE IS THAT WHICH ADDRESSES THE STATUTE, THE CODE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. EMAIL COMMUNICATIONS RECEIVED UNTIL THE TIME OF THIS MEETING ARE PART [00:05:01] OF THE RECORD FOR THE HEARING BUT NOT WITHOUT MORE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. THE APPLICANT IS ENTITLED TO BE REPRESENTED BY COUNCIL, AND I KNOW THERE ARE 12 OF YOU OUT THERE TONIGHT. IF ANY APPLICANT DESIRES THE CONTINUANCE TO OBTAIN LEGAL COUNSEL, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO MAKE THE REQUEST AT THIS TIME. OKAY. SEEING NONE FROM THE AUDIENCE, THE PROCEDURES ALL GO OVER. WE ARE, WE DO HAVE TIME LIMITS WITH THIS BOARD. STAFF WILL BE SWORN IN, AND EVERYONE WHO TESTIFIES TONIGHT WILL HAVE TO BE SWORN IN. STAFF WILL BE SWORN IN AND PRESENT THE CASE, AND STAFF WILL HAVE 10 MINUTES FOR THE PRESENTATION. AFTER THE PRESENTATION IS MADE, THE APPLICANT MAY WAIVE THEIR PRESENTATION AND JUST RELY ON STAFF. IF ANY APPLICANT WANTS TO WAIVE THEIR PRESENTATION TONIGHT, YOU COULD COME FORWARD AND LET ME KNOW NOW, OR YOU CAN DO SO AT THE TIME OF THE AGENDA. I MEAN, THE STAFF REPORTS WERE IN THE AGENDA, SO IF YOU READ IT AND YOU FEEL COMPETENT, YOU CAN WAIVE IT. I SEE NONE NOW, BUT CERTAINLY FEEL FREE, IF IT'S YOUR AGENDA ITEM, YOU CAN STILL WAIVE IT. AFTER THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE, IF YOU DO PRESENT, WE'LL HAVE 10 MINUTES. IF YOU BROUGHT ANY WITNESSES, YOUR WITNESSES WILL HAVE 5 MINUTES. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IS LIMITED TO 3 MINUTES, AND THAT IS ALLOWED IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING. SHARING OR TRANSFERRING TIME IS NOT ALLOWED, AND ANY EXTENSIONS OF TIME CAN BE GRANTED THROUGH THE CHAIR, SO IF YOU'RE CLOSE TO THE END AND YOUR 10 MINUTES IS UP, YOU CAN ASK FOR ADDITIONAL TIME TO FINISH UP YOUR THOUGHTS. PUBLIC PARTICIPANTS PRESENTING EVIDENCE FOR OR AGAINST THE APPLICATION WILL ADDRESS THE BOARD AT THE PODIUM. PLEASE DO NOT DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE AUDIENCE. PLEASE ADDRESS THEM TO THE BOARD AS THEY ARE THE DECISION MAKER. ANY DOCUMENTATION OR PHOTOGRAPHS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD SECRETARY, WHO'S HERE ON MY LEFT AND ON YOUR RIGHT, BEFORE THE INDIVIDUAL TESTIFIES, AND THE DOCUMENTS WILL NOT BE RETURNED BECAUSE THEY BECOME PART OF THE RECORD. THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS 10 MINUTES FOR CROSS-EXAMINATION OR REBUTTAL AFTER STAFF IS DONE. YOU DO HAVE TIME, OR ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE 3 MINUTES, IF PEOPLE SPEAK, YOU CAN GET BACK UP AND ADDRESS COMMENTS. AND THEN STAFF MAY PROVIDE FINAL COMMENTS TO THE BOARD, AND THEN THE BOARD WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO DISCUSS THE APPLICATION AT THE DAIS. THEY MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR THE STAFF DURING THIS TIME, AND ANY MOTION MADE BY THE BOARD WILL INCLUDE WHETHER OR NOT THE BOARD FINDS COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD AND OR THE TESTIMONY RECEIVED TONIGHT TO SUPPORT THE BOARD'S DECISION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE AGENDA ITEM. THIS IS BEING RECORDED, SO PLEASE KEEP COMMENTS, APPLAUSE, OR ANYTHING TO A MINIMUM SO THAT THE RECORDING IS ACCURATE. I REPRESENT THE BOARD THIS EVENING AND PROVIDE COUNSEL, INCLUDING ADVICE, ON THE HEARING PROCEDURES AND THE RELEVANCY OF THE EVIDENCE. AND AGAIN, WHILE THE STRICT RULES OF EVIDENCE APPLICABLE TO A COURT PROCEEDING WILL NOT BE UTILIZED, THE BOARD MAY, WITH MY ASSISTANCE, EXCLUDE EVIDENCE THAT IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE CODE CRITERIA AS SET FORTH IN THE APPLICATION OR IS REPETITIVE IN NATURE. IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING PROCEDURES, PLEASE ASK THEM AT THIS TIME. TONIGHT, ALL OF THE AGENDA ITEMS BUT ONE WILL BE A SIMPLE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD. TONIGHT, WE HAVE SIX MEMBERS SEATED. IS THAT CORRECT? AND YOU'LL NEED FOUR VOTES. ON THE VARIANCE, THE VARIANCE DOES REQUIRE MORE THAN A MAJORITY. THE CITY'S CODE HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE WE'VE MOVED TO SEVEN. AND SO PREVIOUSLY, IT WAS FOUR OUT OF FIVE, WHICH CAN BE CONSIDERED A SUPERMAJORITY AND IS CONSIDERED A SUPERMAJORITY, SO IT'S MORE THAN 50%. SO TONIGHT, WE'LL BE APPLYING THAT FIVE OUT OF SEVEN OF THE VOTES WILL CONSTITUTE APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE WITH THE SEVEN MEMBERS. AND WE DID DISCUSS THAT WITH THE CITY MANAGER TODAY TO MAKE SURE THE CITY WAS ON BOARD WITH THAT DECISION BECAUSE THE CODE'S NOT EXACTLY CLEAR. WE JUST KNOW IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN 50%, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH FIVE OUT OF SEVEN THIS EVENING. ANY OF THE VARIANCE, WHEN IT IS HEARD THIS EVENING, IF IT IS DENIED, YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR IN ORDER TO COME BACK AND APPLY AGAIN. AND ALSO ON THE VARIANCE ITEM, WHICH I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE, 5.7, THE VICE CHAIR WILL BE RECUSING HIMSELF SO THAT APPLICANT NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND, AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THIS, THAT EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THIS BOARD WILL HAVE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE VARIANCE IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE GRANTED. ANY APPEALS OF ANY DECISION TONIGHT OF THESE 12 APPLICATIONS IS MADE TO CIRCUIT COURT, AND YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OBTAINING YOUR OWN COPY OF THE RECORD AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION YOU NEED FOR THAT APPEAL. AND WITH THAT, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER [00:10:01] QUESTIONS, I'M WILLING TO TAKE QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THE PROCEDURE TONIGHT ON THE VARIANCE. DID THAT CLEAR IT UP? WE GOOD? OKAY. AND THEN I WOULD DEFINITELY WIPE THAT GAVEL DOWN WHEN YOU GET IT BACK. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, MADAM ATTORNEY. AT THIS TIME, ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TONIGHT, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO RISE SO THAT MCKENNA CAN SWEAR YOU IN. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND OUR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? WE ALSO DO HAVE FORMS IN THE BACK, ANYONE WHO DO WISHES TO SPEAK. WE ASK THAT YOU FILL THOSE OUT AND GET THOSE OVER TO ME AT THE END OF THE MEETING. [3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES] DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS TO LAST MONTH'S MEETING MINUTES? SEEING NO. DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOVE TO APPROVE. I'LL SECOND IT. MEMBER KOSACK? YES. MEMBER SALA? YES. MEMBER BYRNES ? YES. MEMBER RILEY. YES. MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? YES. AND VICE CHAIR PSULKOWSKI? YES. [4.1 HDC 2026-0024 - J'S CONSTRUCTION LLC, AGENT FOR JEAN GOULDEN FAMILY TRUST, 315 S 7TH STREET] ALL RIGHT. BEGINNING WITH FULL BUSINESS, 4.1. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MIA TO GIVE THAT STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, HGP, HIGH MEMBERS OF THE COORDINATED BEACH COMMUNITY. THANK YOU GUYS ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. LIKE THE CHAIR SAID, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MOVE EFFICIENTLY BUT ACCURATELY THROUGH THE AGENDA TONIGHT. SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION IN THAT EFFORT. TONIGHT, UNDER OLD BUSINESS, WE HAVE THREE CASES. THE FIRST ONE IS FOR A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 315 SOUTH 7TH STREET. THIS APPLICATION CAME TO THE BOARD IN JULY AT OUR LAST MEETING FOR A REQUEST TO REPLACE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING WITH HARDY BOARD, WHICH IS A FIBER CEMENT SIDING. SINCE THEN, AND RECEIVING COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD, THE APPLICANT HAS REVISED THEIR APPLICATION TO FAVOR REPAIRING THAT WOOD AND REPLACING WHERE NEEDED WITH PINE OR A WOOD REPLACEMENT. THEY HAVE SUPPLIED SOME REVISED SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING A REVISED AND MORE DETAILED SCOPE OF WORK AND DESCRIPTION OF A PROJECT PURPOSE, MORE DETAILS OF EXISTING CONDITIONS, AS WELL AS PICTURES, AND AGAIN, THEY REVISED THEIR MATERIALS FROM HARDY BOARD TO WOOD. STAFF FINDS THIS MORE COMPLIANT WITH THE HTC DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AS I STATED, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED SOME EXPLANATIONS, SUCH AS THE PROJECT PURPOSE TO PROTECT THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE RESIDENCE, AS WELL AS A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT LIGHT FOR LIGHT REPLACEMENT WOULD ENTAIL. BASED ON THESE REVISIONS, STAFF CAN RECOMMEND FINAL APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT AND I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, NOW'S THE TIME. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JEFF NIPPER. I'M WITH JAY'S CONSTRUCTION, REPRESENTING GENE GOULDING AT 315 SOUTH 7TH STREET. ALL RIGHT. COULD YOU TELL US A BIT ABOUT THE CASE SINCE WE HEARD IT LAST, JUST TO REFRESH THE BOARD? ESSENTIALLY, THE CENTER SECTION OF THE HOME IS DETERIORATED TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE GETTING WATER INTRUSION INSIDE THE HOME. THERE'S DAMAGE THAT'S CONTINUING TO COST THE CLIENT MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR FOR REPAIRS. THE ONLY WAY TO PROPERLY REPAIR THE AREA IS TO REMOVE THE SIDING COMPLETELY AND SHEET THE WALLS. AT THAT POINT, THE SIDING CAN GO BACK UP. WE CAN GO AND REPLACE THE SIDING IN KIND WITH WOOD. THE LION'S SHARE OF WHAT WE WOULD SALVAGE WOULD BE PINE, SO INSTEAD OF GOING TO CEDAR, WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH PINE. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SALVAGE THE WOOD, REPAIR WHAT WE CAN, REUSE EVERYTHING WE CAN REUSE, DOCUMENT IT, STORE IT ON SITE. AND THEN FOR FINAL PHOTOS, ALL OF THAT DOCUMENTATION THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS WILL BE THERE. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE DID USE EVERYTHING WE COULD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FOR? YEAH, WE CAN. I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE IT'S A QUESTION OR A STATEMENT. FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DID TO REVISE IT AND TALK WITH THE OWNERS TO CONSIDER THE WOOD SIDING, MOVE THE HARDY SIDING. I WOULD ONLY ASK THAT, AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT YOU PLAN DOING, IS THAT AS MUCH OF THE FRONT FACADE THAT CAN EITHER BE SALVAGED OR SIDING MOVED TO THE FRONT, THE ORIGINAL WOULD BE APPRECIATED. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID HERE, SO THANK YOU. AND TO SPEAK TO THAT, THE BEST SIDING ON THE HOME IS RIGHT THERE [00:15:02] IN THE FRONT WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE US TO KEEP IT. THE ONLY ISSUE WITH IT IS IT'S INSTALLED WRONG, SO WE SHOULD BE FINE. AND YOU'RE PROPOSING TO WHOLESALE, REMOVE IT ALL, SALVAGE IT, AND THEN REINSTALL AFTER THE SHEATHING? YES. EVERYTHING GOES UP THERE. IT'S THE ONLY PROPER WAY TO DO IT SO THAT WE CAN SHEET THE WALLS AND REPAIR EVERYTHING AND PUT IT BACK. AND BASED ON THE AGE OF THE HOUSE, THAT IS MOST LIKELY A HARD PINE SIDING THAT'S UP THERE. IT IS. WELL, SOME. YEAH, I'M SURE THEY'VE REPLACED OVER THE YEARS, TOO, WITH JUST WHITE WOOD OR SYP. I THINK MY QUESTION WOULD BE, DID YOU PREPARE THIS STATEMENT AND THOSE PHOTOS IN THIS STATEMENT OF INTENT? WE GOT THIS EXTRA THING, AND IT DIDN'T SAY WHO THIS CAME FROM. THIS IS THE SCOPE OF WORK. YES. THERE WAS AN ERROR IN UPLOADING SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT WE GOT FROM THEM TO THE APPLICATION PACKET, SO I SENT THAT TO YOU GUYS ON MONDAY AFTERNOON. PROBABLY ONE OF OUR, EITHER OUR ADMIN OR TERESA. I THINK THAT. I SWING A HAMMER AT THEM. AND I WAS ABLE TO MEET OUT THERE WITH MIA AND JEFF, AND I HAVE MORE PERTINENT CONVERSATION, I THINK, FOR BOARD DISCUSSION, JUST ABOUT THOSE DETAILS. THERE'S QUITE A BIT TO COVER. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS AND WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK ABOUT THIS CASE. NOW'S THE TIME. SEEING NONE. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, MOVING TO BOARD DISCUSSION. I WENT OUT WITH MIA AND JEFF AND, YOU KNOW, ASKED THE QUESTIONS THAT I WAS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT, ABOUT THE QUANTITY OF SIDING REPLACEMENT. HE ASSURED ME THAT HE INTENDS TO REUSE AS MUCH OF THE SIDING AS POSSIBLE WHEN PUTTING IT BACK, EVEN WHEN IT'S SO FAR AS TO SAY THAT HE'S GOING TO TAKE PICTURES IN PROGRESS, PROVIDE THAT WITH STAFF SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WENT BACK. THE AREAS THAT HE TALKED ABOUT WERE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE WENT OVER IN THE FIELD. AND THAT WILL, THAT WILL ALSO HAVE A BEARING ON THE PERMIT, TOO, THE PERCENTAGE OF SIDING THAT'S BEING REPLACED. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, MATERIALS WERE THAT HE WANTED TO REPLACE WITH WERE FANTASTIC. DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY UNDERSTANDS HOW TO CARE FOR THIS HOME AND TO GO BACK WITH THE RIGHT MATERIALS. SO I HAVE NO, NO CONCERN. HE'S GOING TO DO A FANTASTIC JOB. I'LL SAY I LOOKED AT PURCHASING THAT HOUSE BACK WHEN IT WAS IN FORECLOSURE AFTER IT HAD THE FLOOD. SO I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THAT HOUSE AND I THINK YOU ARE COMPLETELY ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND I APPRECIATE YOU COMING BACK WITH THE WOOD ON THE HOME BECAUSE THAT WILL MAKE SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD CAUTION AGAINST IS WHEN SIDING IS REPLACED, THE OLD SIDING, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU DRIVE OR WALK THROUGH THE TOWN AND THE LIGHT HITS IT A CERTAIN WAY WITH THE PAINT CHIPS AND DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE IRREGULARITIES, IT REALLY EVOKES THE HISTORY AND THE SOUL OF THE HOUSE. SO RATHER THAN TAKING THESE BOARDS OFF AND, YOU KNOW, SANDING THEM CLEAN AND FRESH OR PLANING THEM EVEN PRESERVE SOME OF THAT CHARACTER. I DON'T KNOW WHERE MY APPLICANT WENT. THERE YOU ARE. IF YOU COULD PRESERVE SOME OF THAT CHARACTER. SO WHEN IT GOES BACK, IT DOESN'T LOOK PRISTINE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER BOARD DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I APPROVE. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HGC 2026-0024 WITHOUT CONDITIONS. AND I MOVE THAT HGC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS AND FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW A PART OF THE RECORD THAT HGC CASE HGC 2026-0024 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. SECOND. WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. MCKENNA? MEMBER SALA? YES. MEMBER BYRNES ? YES. MEMBER RILEY? YES. MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? YES. MEMBER KOSACK? YES. AND VICE CHAIR PSULKOWSKI? YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, JEFF. MIA, WOULD YOU MIND PRESENTING [4.2 HDC 2026-0025 - CARLOS ABACA, AGENT FOR 408 BEECH STREET, LLC, 408 BEECH STREET] OUR NEXT CASE? YES. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO HAND OVER THE MIC TO MCKENNA TORMEY. SHE PRESENTED THIS CASE LAST MONTH, SO SHE CONTINUED ON WITH THE APPLICANT AND HAS PREPARED A PRESENTATION [00:20:01] FOR YOU GUYS TONIGHT. BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU. HI, EVERYBODY. LIKE MIA MENTIONED, I'M MCKENNA. I'M A SAFETY TECH. AND THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A RETURNING CASE AT 408 BEACH STREET. THE APPLICANT IS STILL REQUESTING FINAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL TO REBUILD THE FRONT, SIDE, AND REAR DECKS. IT'S A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE SET FOR 1900 OF THE FRENCH VERNACULAR TOP AND STYLE. SO AT THE LAST MEETING IN JULY, THE BOARD GRANTED APPROVAL FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE ENCLOSED FRONT PORCH, SIDE PORCH, AND THE REAR DECKS. THE BOARD ALSO GRANTED CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE DECK WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE COMPLETE PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS OF ALL MATERIALS AND DETAILS FOR WHAT WAS BEING REPLACED. IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, THE PLANS REPRESENT THE REACHED MIDDLE THAT I RECEIVED. IT IS CONSISTENT IN THE OVERALL DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER THAT THE PLANS WERE PRESENTED WITH LAST MONTH. SO IN RESPONSE TO THE BOARD'S REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, THE APPLICANT ALSO PROVIDED PHOTOGRAPHS TO ILLUSTRATE SEVERAL OF THE PROPOSED DETAILS. SO THE SAME THING AS LAST MONTH AS WELL. THIS IS GOING TO BE THAT SIDE AND THEN THE REAR. THIS IS A SLIDE OF ALL OF THE MATERIALS THAT I WAS PROVIDED FROM THE APPLICANT. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S 10-DEGREE SOFTWOOD SIDING, PRESSURE-TREATED PINE SPUR-CUT SIDING. AND WHAT I THOUGHT WAS KIND OF MOST IMPORTANT THAT WE TOUCHED ON AT THE LAST MEETING WAS THAT BRICK PIER DETAIL. TO KIND OF EMULATE WHAT WAS ALREADY EXISTING FOR THE DEMO. SO BECAUSE THE PLANS WERE REVIEWED BY STAFF AND REMAINED CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS DESIGN, STAFF HAVE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT IT BE REFLECTED ON THE ELEVATIONS. AND THAT THE ADDITIONAL DETAILS LIKE THOSE THINGS REQUESTED BY THE BOARD BE PRESENT. INCLUDING SIDING COLORS, WINDOW REPLACEMENT INFORMATION, AND THEN THAT SAME DETAILED DECKING BE REFLECTED. HOWEVER, NOW IN FRONT OF YOU, THERE'S A FEW COPIES ON THE SIDE. MS. PRINCE, THERE'S A FOLD-UP COPY NEXT TO YOU. IT'S NEW PLANS THAT I WAS HANDED ON MONDAY. SO THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING. I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REVIEW THIS BEFORE TODAY'S MEETING. BUT THE APPLICANT VERY KINDLY PRINTED VERY LARGE COPIES FOR EVERYBODY, ALONG WITH A NEW MATERIAL PACKET WITH A LOT OF THE SAME PIECES. I THINK THE ONLY DIFFERENCE I WAS SEEING IS A NEW WINDOW TYPE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANTS FOR PRINTING COPIES FOR EVERYONE. I LOVE THAT. CAN I SEE THE SHOPPING PAPERS DOWN? YOU KNOW, YOU CAN REALLY GET THAT OFF. NO, I LOVE IT PERSONALLY. SO YEAH, I'LL BRIEFLY DISPLAY THE MATERIALS. IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO DISCUSS MORE ON THAT, ON THEIR PRESENTATION, THEN THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO. SO THOSE ARE HERE. AND THE SAME SIDE ELEVATIONS. THIS WAS THE WINDOW THAT I WAS PROVIDED ON MONDAY. BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S ALL BEEN CHANGED SINCE THEN. I THINK IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT NOW IT IS ON THE APPROVED LIST. SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT NOW. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF? SO MCKENNA, IS ANY OF THE FINAL WORDING CHANGING NOW THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM SOME MORE OF THE EVIDENCE SINCE THE RECOMMENDATION WENT OUT? SO YOU HAVE CERTAIN THINGS THAT NEED TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE CONDITION. ARE ANY OF THOSE REMOVED NOW? SO I WOULD SAY MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD STAY THE SAME. BASICALLY, THAT'S THE CHANGES THAT WE REQUEST TO BE REFLECTED ON ELEVATIONS. I ALSO WOULD REQUEST THAT WE SEE DECIDING COLORS. WINDOW REPLACEMENT IS ON THERE, BUT NOW WE HAVE THOSE. SO IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT. AND ALL THOSE CONDITIONS THAT YOU HAVE THERE, ARE THOSE ALL STAFF APPROVABLE OR WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME BACK? THEY WOULD BE IN MY EXPERIENCE STAFF APPROVAL. PERFECT. THANK YOU. MCKENNA, THE PLANS THAT WE JUST GOT HANDED, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN OUR PLAN. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, CORRECT. BUT I DID MY STAFF ANALYSIS BASED ON THESE DOCUMENTS, WHICH WERE IN THE AGENDA PACKET, AND WERE SIMILAR OF NATURE, IF [00:25:02] NOT THE SAME AS WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED IN JULY. BUT YOU'VE HAD AMPLE TIME, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS- I RECEIVED THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON PAPER ON MONDAY. AND YOU'VE HAD TIME TO REVIEW THOSE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE- CORRECT. OKAY. WELL, HOW COME YOU DIDN'T SEND THEM TO US? BECAUSE I RECEIVED THEM ON MONDAY. I BELIEVE THERE'S PROCESSING TIME. AND EVERYTHING THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN POSTED WAS IN THE AGENDA PACKET, AND IT WASN'T GOING TO BE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD UNTIL THEN. SO WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE PAPER? CORRECT. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO WELCOME THE APPLICANT TO TAKE THOSE QUESTIONS. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO JUST KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE. ALL RIGHT. THE APPLICANT CAN COME FORWARD. HELLO, EVERYBODY. YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. CHARLIE IVANKA. I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AT 408 BEACH STREET. SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN THE NEW SET OF PLANS, THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT CHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL IS THE DETAIL OF THE COVERED FRONT PORCH. IT WAS UNCOVERED WHEN I PRESENTED LAST MONTH, AND ALL WE DID THIS TIME IS COVER IT. IT'S BASICALLY AN EXTENSION OF THE SAME ROOF LINE THAT YOU SEE IN THE TWO BUILDINGS. THERE'S JUST ONE MORE ROOF LINE UNDERNEATH THE FIRST BUILDINGS TO COVER THE FRONT PORCH. IT'S A GAVE ROOF TO MATCH THE OTHER TWO ROOFS. AND THE REST OF THE DETAILS ARE JUST THE DECKING DETAIL THAT I WAS ASKED FOR AND THE EXISTING, THE PROPOSED REMODEL. SO WE HAD ASKED, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BRICK PIERS, AND I APPRECIATE THE DOCUMENTATION WE GOT TONIGHT. BUT I'M NOT SURE, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. WEREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT SALVAGING THE BRICK PIERS THAT WERE PART OF THE PORCH? I JUST DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY THE DETAILS. EVERYTHING, ALL THE STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH THE FRONT, REAR, AND SIDE DECKS WAS DESTROYED. SO THERE WAS NO WAY OF SALVAGING ANYTHING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN STRUCTURALLY APPROPRIATE TO REUSE. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW IS CREATING THREE NEW PIERS JUST TO MATCH WHAT IS ALREADY IN THE EXISTING HOUSE BEHIND WHAT THE FRONT PORCH HAD. SO THREE BRICK PIERS ACROSS THE FRONT. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. BUT THE, I THINK, AND MAYBE I'M NOT LOOKING AT IT, THE ELEVATION DOESN'T SHOW THE THREE BRICK PIERS. YOU'RE CORRECT. IT SHOULD BE IN THE FRONT. OH, MAYBE IT, NO IT'S NOT. THE DRAWING WE'RE STARING AT DON'T HAVE ANY BRICK PIERS. IT LOOKS SIMILAR TO THAT. IT LOOKS LIKE A FOUNDATION. OKAY, YEAH, NO, IT'S NOT SHOWN. BUT IT IS GOING TO BE THREE BRICK PIERS. THANK YOU. THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE IN EACH CORNER AND ONE UNDERNEATH THE CENTER COLUMN. AND THEY'LL BE EXPOSED. AND ANYTHING, ANY KIND OF SCREENING OR ANYTHING IN BETWEEN OR ARE YOU JUST GOING TO HAVE THAT? I'LL PROBABLY USE SOME WOOD LATTICE TO COVER THE CRAWL SPACE. UNLESS YOU GUYS DON'T WANT IT, I'M HAPPY NOT TO USE IT. WELL, I GUESS IT WOULD BE HARD TO KNOW BECAUSE I'M NOT SEEING ANY SPACE FOR CRAWL SPACE ON THE PLANS. EXCEPT IN THE FRONT PORCH. IT'S NOT INDICATED ON THE PLANS. SO THE HOUSE, BOTH STRUCTURES AND THE FRONT DECK HAVE ABOUT MAYBE 20 INCHES WORTH OF CRAWL SPACE HEIGHT. SO IT'S A PRETTY BIG CRAWL SPACE THROUGHOUT THE STRUCTURE. AND WHAT I'M SEEING IN THE PLANS IS JUST SIDING TO THE GROUND. RIGHT. I'M JUST HAVING TO PRESENT THE STRUCTURE CORRECTLY. YEAH, I JUST NOTICED THAT. SO THE BUILDINGS ARE IN THE AIR BY ABOUT 20 INCHES. AND THERE'S NO LATTICE AT THE MOMENT. IT'S ALL OPEN. BUT THE NEIGHBOR WOULD LIKE IT COVERED. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE NEIGHBOR HAPPY IF THAT'S OKAY. INSURANCE OFTEN LIKES IT COVERED, TOO. SAY THAT AGAIN? INSURANCE OFTEN LIKES IT COVERED, TOO. AND THE RODENTS HATE IT. YEAH. SO IT CAN'T BE VINYL. YEAH. WE'LL LEAVE THAT FOR DISCUSSION. BUT RIGHT NOW, SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, THE SIDING IS, I GUESS, IN LINE WITH THE FILL PLATE. AND IT'S ABOUT 20 INCHES OR SO [00:30:01] EXPOSED UNDERNEATH. YEAH. AND YOU HAVE THE BRICK PIER AS WELL. YES, MA'AM. GOT IT. YEAH. ALL THE PIERS ARE EXPOSED BY ABOUT 20 INCHES. CHARLIE, WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING TO USE THE TNG WHITE WOOD? IT SAYS 1 BY 6 TNG WHITE WOOD. SO THERE'S VERY FEW SIDING THAT HAS ROTTED. SO SOME OF IT IS YOUR REGULAR SQUARE 1 BY 6 PINE. AND SOME OF IT IS THE TONGUE AND GROOVE. SO IN THOSE SMALL AREAS WHERE IT'S EITHER MISSING OR IT HAS ROTTED AWAY. AND THIS PROFILE WILL MATCH THE OLD PROFILE? IT WILL. YES. DO WE HAVE PICTURES OF THE OLD PROFILE ANYWHERE IN THE PACKETS? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, BUT I COULD PROVIDE THEM TOMORROW. OTHER THAN WHAT YOU SEE IN THE FRONT, IN THAT ONE PICTURE OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. BUT IT'S MOSTLY SMALL SECTIONS LIKE THE ONES YOU SEE MISSING. AND YOU'RE TELLING US THAT THAT IS 1 BY 6 TONGUE AND GROOVE SIDING? IT'S EITHER 1 BY 6 OR IT'S EITHER TONGUE AND GROOVE OR SQUARE 1 BY 6. YEAH, JUST LAPPED. YEAH. I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET HEAVILY ON LAP SIDING ON ALL THE ADDRESSES. YEAH. OKAY. WOULD YOU CONSIDER USING A WOODEN DOOR? I WOULD. I'M NOT JUST TO KEEP THE BUDGET DOWN. I'M SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS PROJECT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? CHARLIE, I THINK THE THINGS I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE MOST IS WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST TIME, WE HAD AS-BUILTS THAT DIDN'T REALLY MATCH WHAT YOU WERE PROPOSING ON THE PROJECT. AND I STILL HAVE PIERS THAT ARE MISSING. I HAVE SIDING THAT'S GOING TO THE GROUND, BUT THERE'S A CRAWL SPACE. WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE WHAT SIDING WE HAVE, BUT YOU'RE PROPOSING A NEW MATERIAL ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE. I JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. AND I'M ALMOST POSITIVE THIS CAN BE HANDLED ON THE STAFF SIDE IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH. THE LOCATIONS OF THE PIERS ON THE DRAWINGS, THE CRAWL SPACE CORRECTLY ADDED, US CONFIRMING WHAT THE SIDING MATERIAL ACTUALLY IS BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S 1 BY 6 TONGUE AND GROOVE. AND THEN THAT COULD BE HANDLED AT STAFF LEVEL. BUT IT'S HARD TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE MOST. SO HOW MUCH DETAIL WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PROVIDE? JUST THAT DETAIL THAT I LAID OUT. AND WE'LL LEAVE THE REST FOR BOARD DISCUSSION TO MAKE SURE I HAVEN'T MISSED ANYTHING. YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE APPLICANT? ONE LAST QUESTION. IT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE POP OUT FOR THE PORCH. AND I'M PROBABLY JUST MISSING IT. WHAT ARE YOU USING FOR THE ROOFING MATERIAL? ARE YOU DOING THE STANDINGS OR THE GROOVE? SO THE HOUSE HAS A METAL ROOF. YEAH. SO I'M JUST GOING TO MATCH THE EXISTING. OKAY. DO WE HAVE THAT CALLED OUT SOMEPLACE? I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO. YEAH, I DON'T SEE THAT ON THERE. OKAY. YEAH, SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, JUST SO THERE'S NO QUESTION. SURE. IF WE ALL GET HIT BY A BUS OR EVERYBODY GETS AS SICK AS ME AND WE DIE, THE NEXT BOARD CAN COME IN AND SAY, OH, HERE'S WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO ON THERE. I'LL PROVIDE THAT TOMORROW MORNING. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AS LONG AS NOBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, CHARLIE. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT. SEEING NONE, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, MOVE INTO BOARD DISCUSSION. THIS IS A TINY LITTLE HOUSE. IT'S AN IMPORTANT TINY LITTLE HOUSE. IT'S VERY CUTE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY THE EXACT SISTER HOUSE TO THE ONE NEXT TO IT. IT'S LIKE THE STEPSISTER HOUSE. I CALL THEM BOTH THERE. AND THEY'RE INDICATIVE OF OUR RAILROAD AND MILL HISTORY WHEN THEY'RE WORKER HOMES THAT WERE BUILT FOR THE WORKERS. SO, YOU KNOW, I SO APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE WANTING TO BRING IT BACK TO LIFE. I WOULD REALLY LIKE A LITTLE BIT EXTRA CONSIDERATION WITH OTHER MATERIALS LIKE THE FRONT DOOR. YOU KNOW, FIND A GREAT OLD HISTORIC FRONT DOOR OR JUST EVEN A WOOD DOOR THAT WOULD MATCH THE STYLE A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN JUST A VINYL OR FIBERGLASS TYPE OF A LOOKING DOOR. AND THEN I THINK SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT WE ARTICULATED, [00:35:01] THE PIERS, THE CALL OUT FOR THE PIERS, THE CALL OUT FOR THE ROOF, THAT'S IMPORTANT SO WE DON'T COME UP WITH JUST AN ASPHALT ROOF IF WE'RE VALUE ENGINEERING. YOU KNOW, JUST THOSE SPECIFICS. IF SOMEBODY ELSE CAN ARTICULATE THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. DO YOU THINK THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PROVIDE APPROVAL FOR AS LONG AS WE, YOU KNOW, MODIFY OUR STATEMENT THAT WE MADE? I MEAN, THAT'S UP FOR BOARD DISCUSSION IF EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND STAFF ALSO. YEAH, I THINK MY BIGGEST QUESTION IS IF STAFF IS COMFORTABLE TAKING THIS ON AND LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, THE MATERIALS AND THE DRAWINGS THAT WE'RE MISSING. YEAH, I THINK EVERYTHING IS SPELLED OUT PRETTY CLEARLY. OTHER THINGS YOU'RE LOOKING AT, WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. I WOULD SAY IT'S LIKE FOLLOWING A RECIPE. YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE PLANS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE AN ARCHITECT AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE, BUT YOU HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS SAYING TONGUE AND GROOVE, BEAD BOARD SIDING. WHERE DO I PUT THAT? LOOK AT THE PLAN. THERE SHOULD BE SOME CORRELATION. YOU KNOW, THAT'S LISTED NOWHERE ON THE PLAN, BUT IT'S LISTED UNDER MATERIALS. SO IT JUST NEEDS TO BE REALLY LIKE IDIOT PROOF FOR WHOEVER GOES IN THERE. AND HE'S DOING THE WORK, SO IT'S DIFFERENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR POSTERITY AND FOR ANYBODY ELSE THAT GOES IN THERE. YEAH, I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT FOLLOWING MCKENNA. I BELIEVE THAT THESE DETAILS ARE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD APPROVE ON A SOFT LEVEL. WHEN IT COMES FOR PERMITTING, JUST BE VERY EXPLICITLY CLEAR IN YOUR MOTION. SO WHEN I REVIEW THE PLANS, I'M LOOKING AT THE LIST AND CHECKING THOSE OFF AS I REVIEW THEM. THAT'S MY REQUEST. SO THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE CONFIRMATION OF REPLACING EXISTING SIDING IN KIND. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. WE HAVE THE SIDING MATERIAL. WE HAVE CALL OUTS FOR THE PORCH ADDITION. THE PIERS. THE PIERS. THE ROOF. THE ROOF MATERIAL. THEY'LL NEED A COLOR ON THE APPLICATION REGARDLESS. AND THEN ARE WE ASKING FOR A WOOD FRONT DOOR? YES. I THINK WE SHOULD BE ASKING FOR A WOOD FRONT DOOR. THE SIX-PANEL FIBERGLASS DOOR DOES LEND ITSELF TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S UNREASONABLE. YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S A ONE-LIGHT DOOR, A FULL-LIGHT DOOR ON THE PLANS, AND I HAVE A SIX-PANEL FIBERGLASS. I GUESS THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY THE SECOND TIME. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH MODIFYING THE MOTION IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS WORK AND BE VERY CLEARLY DETAILED. BUT THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE'RE SEEING THESE DRAWINGS AND THEY'RE STILL NOT AFTER IT. WE HAVE STAFF SAYING THAT THEY CAN HANDLE IT AS LONG AS WE'RE CALLING OUT EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. IF YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, SOMEONE'S COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH A MOTION. IF NOT, WE CAN BRING HIM BACK AFTER HE HAS SOME MORE DETAILED DRAWINGS, BETTER CALL-OUTS. ANYBODY COMFORTABLE DOWN THERE WITH A MOTION? OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT SIDING AND KIND, DETAILED APPEARS ON THE DRAWINGS, WOOD DOOR, PERIOD-SPECIFIC. WHAT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT THE ROOF? COLOR AND MATERIAL. COLOR AND MATERIAL. COLOR AND MATERIAL OF ROOF. AND THEN WHAT WAS THE, AND THEN WE SAID SIDING AND KIND. COLOR OF THE HOUSE, REMAINING YELLOW, RIGHT? THE PIERS. THE DETAIL. THEY'LL NEED TO GET THE COLOR OF THE ROOF REGARDLESS. THEY JUST NEED TO CALL IT OUT. THE DETAIL, IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF A LATTICE OR A SCREENING IN BETWEEN THE BRICK PIERS. CALL-OUTS OF THE MATERIAL. CALL-OUTS OF THE MATERIAL. SO I'LL CALL IT HERE. READY? YES. OKAY. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC 20260025 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE SIDING BE DONE IN KIND, THAT THE PIERS ARE CALLED OUT ON THE BLUEPRINTS, THAT THE DOOR IS PLACED AS A WOOD DOOR IN PERIOD, AND THE ROOF COLOR AND MATERIAL IS OUTLINED IN THE PLANS. DID I COVER IT ALL? THE LATTICE WORK TO THE CRAWL SPACE. AND INCLUDE THE LATTICE WORK TO THE CRAWL SPACE. THAT THE HDC CASE 002625 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR'S STANDARDS, AND THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN OF FERNANDINA BEACH GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL [00:40:02] AT THIS TIME WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED. I'LL SECOND THAT. I HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. MARIA, WOULD YOU MIND CALLING OUT? YES. MEMBER KOSACK? YES. MEMBER RILEY? YES. MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? YES. MEMBER BYRNES? YES. MEMBER SALA? YES. VICE CHAIR PSULKOWSKI? YES. WE'RE MOVING ON TO OLD BUSINESS. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. [4.3 HDC 2026-0021 - COMPASS GROUP DEVELOPMENT, AGENT FOR OSTEEN COMPANY LLP, 0 N FRONT STREET, PT LOT 1 & 2] ARE WE READY FOR NEXT? MOVING ON TO 4.3. YES. THIS IS HDC CASE 20260021 FOR ZERO NORTH FRONT STREET. THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING ROUGHLY 28,000 SQUARE FEET OF COVERED AREA, BOARDWALK, PARKING, SUPPORTING RETAIL, SHOPPING, RESTAURANTS, AND MARINA SERVICES. THIS APPLICATION WAS BEFORE YOU AT THE JUNE MEETING, AND THE APPLICANT WAS SENT BACK WITH A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT THE BOARD SEEKS TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THEY WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. SINCE THEN, THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH STAFF AND THEIR TEAM TO REVISE THE APPLICATION. I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE REVISIONS THAT WERE STATED AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE ELEVATIONS AND DETAILS AGAIN. THERE IS A BULK OF INFORMATION IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, SO WHAT I'M GOING OVER TODAY IN MY POWERPOINT ISN'T EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE BEEN SUPPLIED. IT'S JUST A SUMMARY. SO GETTING TO THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE BY THE APPLICANT FOR THIS CASE, THE BIG POINTS THAT WERE CALLED OUT BY THE BOARD AND THAT CHANGES RESULTED FROM, I CALLED OUT IN A DETAILED TABLE IN MY STAFF REPORT. THIS IS JUST AN ABBREVIATED VERSION FOR PRESENTATION PURPOSES. THE FIRST REQUEST FROM THE HDC WAS REGARDING MECHANICAL SCREENING DETAILS. THE APPLICANT RESPONDED BY PROVIDING A ROOF PLAN THAT SHOWED THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT HORIZONTALLY AND VERTICALLY, AND STAFF FINDS THAT THESE MATERIALS DEMONSTRATE THE NEED FOR THE AMOUNT OF SCREENING AND ASSOCIATED HEIGHT ENCROACHMENT. SO THESE ARE JUST SOME SNIPPETS FROM THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED REGARDING THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SCREENING. THE NEXT ITEM DESCRIBED BY THE BOARD WAS DETAILS REGARDING THE OBSERVATION TOWER AND USE. AS I STATED, THERE'S A PRETTY LENGTHY DESCRIPTION IN MY STAFF REPORT THAT COVERS SORT OF BUILDING CODE, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, HEIGHT ENCROACHMENT, THE INTENDED USE OF THAT STRUCTURE. THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THE NARRATIVE HERE ON THE SCREEN DESCRIBING THE USE OF THE TOWER, AND STAFF'S ANALYSIS INCLUDES THAT MANY FACTORS, INCLUDING THE INTENTION, BUILDING CODE, AND PERMISSIBLE ENCROACHMENT, INFLUENCE THIS ENCROACHMENT. AND I WILL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK FURTHER TO THAT AT THAT TIME. THE NEXT REQUEST FROM THE HDC WAS THE BOARDWALK ENCROACHMENT INTO THE NORTHERN VIEW CORRIDOR THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED BY THE APPLICANT. YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE PLANS HERE AND ON THE LITTLE CALL OUT ON MY POWERPOINT. THIS IS ALIGNED WITH THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. THIS REQUEST REGARDING THE SOUTHERN VIEW CORRIDOR, THE BOARD DID NOT SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THAT, AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE IRREGULAR LOT LINE ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY. SO THE WAY THAT THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE WRITTEN IS THAT THE VIEW CORRIDORS FOLLOW THE PROPERTY LINES, BUT SINCE THIS PROPERTY IS JOGGED INTO THE CENTER, TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY, THAT VIEW CORRIDOR, THE INTENTION DOESN'T LINE UP WITH THAT MANIFESTATION THERE. SO THE BOARDWALK REMAINS IN THE VIEW CORRIDOR SLIGHTLY ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, BUT THEN IN THAT BLUE BOX THAT I HIGHLIGHTED DOWN THERE, THAT IS THE APPROXIMATE INTENDED VIEW CORRIDOR. SO WHEN YOU'RE STANDING ON FRONT STREET, IT'S A PERPENDICULAR VIEW BECAUSE NO ONE CAN KIND OF SEE AROUND THAT BIG BUILDING AND STILL GET THAT VIEW CORRIDOR. SO THAT WAS STAFF'S ANALYSIS ON THAT, ALTHOUGH THE BOARD DID NOT SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THAT AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING. THERE WERE ALSO SOME MISCELLANEOUS CHANGES TO THE PLANS THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT. THERE WAS A GAP BETWEEN THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THE TOWER TO THE NORTH OF THE TOWER. AS THE PLANS PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING, THAT HAS BEEN INSTILLED AND ELIMINATED, AND STAFF HAS VERIFIED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS STILL WITHIN THE FAR REQUIREMENTS. SO THIS IS THE FINAL OR THE CONCEPTUAL VIEW FROM THE RIVER. AND THEN ON THE FRONT STREET SIDE, SO LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT FROM FRONT STREET, A MONITOR ROOF FEATURE WAS ADDED THAT RUNS NORTH TO SOUTH THAT HAS THOSE WINDOWS, AND THAT ADDITIONALLY HELPS TO SCREEN THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND ADDS TO THE DESIGN ELEMENTS OF THE PROJECT. [00:45:02] AND I'LL JUST MOVE BACK TO THIS TABLE REAL QUICK. I DIDN'T COME AN EXTRA SLIDE. THE LAST ITEM THAT STAFF AND APPLICANT WORKED TO REVISE, THAT THE HGC DELIVERED COMMENTS REQUESTING A CLEAR SET OF PLANS ABOUT CONTRADICTIONS. MOST OF THE PLANS ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH EACH OTHER, BUT AS THIS IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, STAFF AND APPLICANT UNDERSTAND THAT VASTLY MORE DETAIL REGARDING MATERIALS AND CONNECTIONS AND ENGINEERING DETAILS WILL BE REQUIRED DURING FINAL APPROVAL. AND I WANTED TO MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT ABOUT THE SITE. I TOOK OUT A COUPLE OF MY SITE ANALYSIS IN THIS VERSION OF THE REPORT, BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO BE HANDLED BY THE CITY'S TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY BEEN THROUGH FIRST STEP WITH TRC, BUT THEY INTEND TO FOLLOW THAT THROUGH FORMAL SITE PLAN REVIEW. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MIA? I DO. SO, MIA, THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND A COUPLE OF THINGS CORRECTLY. SO, IN THE IW ZONING, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS, I BELIEVE, 35 FEET PLUS POTENTIALLY 42 INCHES MORE FOR A PARAPET. DO I HAVE THAT INTERPRETATION CORRECT? SO, THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES KIND OF TRUMP THAT. AND WITHIN THE TRC DESIGN GUIDELINES, IN THE NORTH WATERFRONT DESIGN AREA, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT FROM BASE FLOOD ELEVATION IS 30 FEET MAXIMUM. AND THEN THERE'S THOSE PERMISSIBLE ENCROACHMENTS FOR MECHANICAL SCREENING AND ORNAMENTAL FEATURES. AND THAT PERMISSIBLE SCREENING HEIGHT, IS IT 42 INCHES? BECAUSE IT DEFINES SOMEWHERE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT DOES SAY ABOUT THE PARAPETS BEING A MAXIMUM OF 42 INCHES. THAT IS NOT DETAILED IN THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES. SO, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE ARE KIND OF PICKING AND CHOOSING FROM THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS. WE'RE JUST BASING IT OFF THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES THERE. AND SO THAT WE WOULD NOT, WHEN, OKAY. SO, MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 30 FEET ABOVE. 12'4". ABOVE THE 12'4". SO, THAT'S, AND THAT INCLUDES THE PARAPET? IT'S STAFF'S INTERPRETATION THAT THERE'S NO LIMIT ON MECHANICAL SCREENING. EVEN THOUGH THE LDC GIVES A LIMIT ON MECHANICAL SCREENING. SO, I GUESS THAT'S MY CONCERN THERE. SO, THAT'S KIND OF THE FIRST, MY FIRST CONCERN IS THIS OVERALL HEIGHT. BUT THEN THE SECOND PART OF THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. IS THAT, NOT RELATED, BUT RELATED. MY CONCERN IS THAT IT IS A VERY LARGE STRUCTURE. AND IF THE RIVERFRONT CAN EVEN ACCOMMODATE THIS AND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE HERE. JUST AS A POINT OF COMPARISON, DO YOU OR DOES ANY STAFF KNOW THE CAPACITY OF BRETT'S WATERWAY CAFE? JUST IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. IF THIS IS, I BELIEVE, TWO 500 PERSON RESTAURANTS, THEN MAYBE I DON'T HAVE THAT CORRECT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD JUST SORT OF. GETTING INFORMATION THAT IS ABOUT 110. SO, THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. OKAY, THANK YOU. THOSE ARE MY TWO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF? SEEING NONE. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT WHO IS ALMOST READY TO GO. I NEED THE PASSWORD. THE PASSWORD'S IN THE BACK. OH, THERE HE IS. [00:50:33] CAN I ASK THE ATTORNEY A QUESTION WHILE WE ARE WAITING? JUMPING OFF OF VERONICA'S QUESTION. I KNOW THAT THIS IS A UNIQUE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S IN A DOUBLE OVERLAY DISTRICT. WE'RE IN THE CRA AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. AND OUR CODE SAYS THAT WHEN THAT DOES OCCUR, WE MUST FOLLOW THE MOST STRINGENT GUIDELINES, WHICH IN THIS CASE WOULD BE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. WHEN SHE BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PARAPET HEIGHT IN THE LDC, ISN'T THE LDC LIKE KIND OF EVEN HIGHER THAN THAT? BECAUSE BY REFERENCE, THE LDC REFERENCES OUR GUIDELINES. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN NOT LOOK AT SOMETHING IN THE LDC AND SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPLY THAT. YES. I THINK IF THE HDC OR THE CRA GUIDELINES ARE SILENT, THEN THAT'S WHERE THE LDC FILLS IN. BUT FOR NOW, DO WE WANT TO JUST HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, AND THEN WE CAN TOUCH BASE ON THAT WITH THE BOARD DISCUSSION? OKAY. RON FLECK REPRESENTING THE SIMMONS FAMILY, THE OWNERSHIP OF THE WATERFRONT PIECE THAT WE WERE HERE FOR LAST TIME. THIS IS 2026-0021. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE ACC FOR YOUR TIME AND COMMITMENT TO HELP US FOLLOW THROUGH AND GET THIS FIRST STEP TAKEN CARE OF. ALL THE STAFF WHO PARTICIPATED AND ESPECIALLY EVEN PRE-APPLICATION, THE STAFF SINCE SEPTEMBER HAS PARTICIPATED QUITE A BIT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TO DATE. AND ESPECIALLY JACOB PLATT, WHO'S GIVEN US A LOT OF ASSISTANCE GUIDELINES AND HELPING US STAY ON COURSE FOR THE PROCESS. THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD, WHO'S REPRESENTED HERE TONIGHT, OBVIOUSLY, AND THEIR INPUT OF WHICH WE HAVE MADE AN EFFORT TO INCORPORATE ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS. AND SPECIAL THANKS TO THE CBB, THE CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU, GIL LANGLEY AND STAFF, AND ALL THOSE FOLKS AT THE STATE WHO'VE BEEN VERY ENCOURAGING AND ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR THE FIRST MARINE WELCOME STATION TO BE RE-DESIGNATED ON THIS PROJECT FOR FERNANDINA BEACH HARBOR. WHILE WE DO NOT HAVE THOSE FIRST APPROVALS YET, WE ARE WELL UNDER OUR WAY, AND WE'VE GOT TO GET THIS STEP FIRST BECAUSE IT'S HOW WE COMMIT OUR RESOURCE AND THIS PORTION OF OUR BUILDING, WHICH WE WILL TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, WHICH GOES TO THE COMMITMENT OF THIS WELCOME STATION. FINALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE'LL GO BACK AND ANSWER YOU HAD SOME OTHER QUESTIONS. BELIEVE. FEEL FREE TO BRING THOSE UP IF YOU WANT TO NOW OR YOU CAN DO IT LATER. I'M GOING TO STEP RIGHT INTO IT. TRY NOT TO REPEAT TOO MUCH AND SEE IF WE CAN DO THIS. THIS IS, THIS COMPUTER DOESN'T LOAD ALL THE THINGS SAME TIME SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE AROUND A LITTLE BIT. THESE ARE THE FIVE BULLETED AREAS THAT WERE ON YOUR STAT REPORT AS WELL AS THE ONE WE RESPOND TO. VERY FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS THIS 72 INCH OR SIX FOOT ENCROACHMENT AS IT'S LISTED CALLED MECHANICAL SCREENING AND WHY THAT IS. SO I'M GOING TO GO TO THAT, OPEN THE PLANS HERE RIGHT QUICK. [00:55:12] THAT WAS PROBABLY THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE THAT YOU WANTED TO UNDERSTAND BASICALLY IN CONCEPT HOW YOU WOULD PLACE UNITS TO GET OUR AIR DISTRIBUTION ON THIS COMPLEX. WHAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, CRAP IT'S NOT TRANSMITTING. MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE OF SCREEN. THERE WE GO. OKAY, THANK YOU. ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE RIGHT HAND ROW WHICH IS CLOSER TO THE STREET, THOSE ARE THE FOUR UNITS THAT ALIGN ALONG THE WHAT WE CALL THE MONITOR ELEVATION ROOF SYSTEM. THOSE ALIGN AND WILL BE THE INDEPENDENT UNITS THAT WILL BE WITH EACH INDEPENDENT RETAIL SYSTEM. THE OTHER FOUR UNITS ARE PRIMARILY ACTUALLY FIVE. ONE IS FOR THE MARINE WELCOME STATION AND MARINE RETAIL CENTER WHICH IS DOWN ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, DOWN IN THIS AREA. I THINK YOU, YEAH, THERE YOU GO. NOW WE'RE TALKING. THESE THREE WOULD BE FOR THE TWO RESTAURANTS. TWO OF THOSE WILL BE FOR THE COMMON AREAS OF THE RESTAURANTS WHICH WILL BE FOR WHERE CUSTOMERS ARE AND ONE IN THE IN ON THIS SOUTH END RIGHT HERE WILL BE SUPPORTING THE KITCHEN FEED BECAUSE I HAVE TO HAVE REPLACEMENT AIR AND A DOUGH AS IT'S CALLED THE OUTSIDE AIR SYSTEM TO REPLACE FOR FANS AND THEN I HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE FOR THE RESTAURANT DOWNSTAIRS. SO THAT'S WHERE THOSE, THAT'S YOUR UNIT COUNTS AND OF COURSE THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT GO UP ON A ROOF SYSTEM. VENTS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND WE ALL HAVE LARGE STACKS. IT'LL BE FOUR AND A HALF TO FIVE FOOT TALL ON CURBS. THAT WILL BE THERE FOR EXHAUST STACKS. THEY HAVE TO BE THERE FOR THE LARGE FANS FOR THE RESTAURANT SYSTEM, THE EXHAUST SYSTEM IN A KITCHEN. ALL RIGHT, LET ME SEE IF I CAN GO BACK TO THIS. NEXT, ALL RIGHT. WHAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU HERE AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO DIAL IN PRETTY CLOSE SO IT MAKES SENSE. I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT A UNIT LOOKS LIKE THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON THE ROOF. I THINK THAT WAS YOUR BIGGEST QUESTION LAST TIME IS UNDERSTANDING WHAT I HAVE TO PUT BEHIND THAT SCREEN. THIS IS A 12 TO 20 TON AND I'VE EVEN GOT IT. WE WENT TO TRAIN AND PULL ONE OF THEIR UNIT SYSTEMS THAT WE TYPICALLY INSTALL ON COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS OF THIS SIZE AND LAID ON ITS SIDE ALL OF THESE INCHES ADD UP TO WHAT CONSUMES THE 72 INCH HEIGHT ELEVATION. THIS IS THE CURB SYSTEM WHICH IS 14 INCHES AND THEN THE ACTUAL UNIT YOU CAN SEE THE DIMENSIONS HERE IF YOU CAN'T ENLARGE IT A LITTLE BIT. THAT'S THE SIZE OF A UNIT AND IT'S 59 INCHES TALL SO 59 PLUS 14 INCH CURB THAT'S HOW YOU COME UP WITH A TOTAL HEIGHT OF IT. IF IT'S OFF AND I HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING THAT IS LARGER THAN THAT THEN IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO US BECAUSE WE THINK PLANNING FOR THE THIS IS TYPICAL PLANNING THAT WE WOULD DO FOR A ROOF MOUNTED UNIT WITH ENOUGH AIR EXCHANGE TO SUPPORT A 250 PERSON RESTAURANT. SO WHAT I PROVIDED IS A SECTION THROUGH THE BUILDING TO BE ABLE TO SHOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WHY THOSE ELEVATIONS ARE 72 INCHES HIGH. IT'S A MANSARD HID BEHIND THIS SO THAT'S A SECTION THROUGH THE BUILDING AND THIS IS ANOTHER SECTION SHOWING BASICALLY THE SAME THINGS THE SAME THING SO THAT YOU COULD UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHERE THE ELEVATION COMES FROM THAT GETS TO THE 42 INCH HEIGHT OR SORRY THE 48 FOOT HEIGHT OR 72 INCH ROOF SYSTEM WHICH IS BASICALLY [01:00:01] A MANSARD ROOF THAT RIGHT WRAPS AROUND IT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED AND WE LIKE BECAUSE IT INTEGRATES ANOTHER CRA DESIGN CRITERIA IS THE MONITOR ROOF SYSTEM WITH SUPER ELEVATES AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS IN THE OLD DAYS YOU HAD OPEN RAFTERS THERE FOR VENTILATION AND TODAY WE'VE GOT TO CONDITION THAT SPACE OR WE'LL HAVE AN OVEN FOR OUR CUSTOMERS SO WE HAVE WE'RE GLASSING IT AND WE'RE GOING TO AIR CONDITION THAT BREEZEWAY THAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER AND I'LL SHOW THAT TO YOU. SO THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THE RTUS, DOAS UNITS, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO REFER TO THERE. SO THAT TALKS ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THAT. NEXT IN THE PRESENTATION IS THE TALK ABOUT THE TOWER THE WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE OBSERVATION TOWER OR LOOKOUT TOWER. IN BRIEF THE INTENT HERE IS TO CREATE A MEMORABLE EXPERIENCE AND I'M NOT GOING TO SIT AND READ THIS VERBATIM TO YOU CAN READ THAT I DON'T MEAN TO INSULT YOUR INTELLIGENCE BUT IF YOU'VE EVER VISITED HARBOR TOWN OR OTHER RIVERFRONT TYPE DEVELOPMENTS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY TRY TO BE ABLE TO DO IS CREATE AN ICON SO THERE'S AN ELEMENT TO BE IT MAKE IT ATTRACTIVE AND FOR US WE'RE CREATING THIS ICON FOR MULTIPLE REASONS NOT ONLY THAT IT'S TO CREATE A MEMORABLE EXPERIENCE ON THE RIVERFRONT IT'S TO DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THE WELCOME STAGE THE FIRST MARINE WELCOME STATION HERE IN OUR IN OUR AGREEMENT AND PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH BOTH THE CBB AND THE VISIT FLORIDA GROUP AND THEY WERE VERY ENCOURAGING TO US BECAUSE THEY LIKE THE LOOK OF IT ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO. IF YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE THE ONLY THING I'VE TRIED TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND AND I KNOW THAT WAS A QUESTION LAST TIME IT IS NOT BEING BUILT THAT WILL NOT HAVE AN OFFICE IN IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THE IDEA IS TO BUILD SOMETHING SO THAT IT CAN BE HAS TO HAVE CONTROLLED ACCESS A UTILITY MR. CHAIRMAN I'D ASK FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES THERE. I'M GONNA GIVE YOU TEN MORE MINUTES I'M JUST REMINDING YOU THAT TEN MINUTES. THANK YOU. THE WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO DISPLAY HISTORICAL ELEMENTS OVERLOOKING THE HARBOR AS IT WAS A HUNDRED PLUS YEARS AGO OR LESS AND WHAT IT IS TODAY SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A COMPARATIVE LOOK SO WE'RE TRYING TO USE THIS AS JUST AS IF YOU HAD A VISITOR STATION EXCEPT A VISITOR STATION IN AN AUTO PARK IS LOOKING AT AN AUTO LOT THEY DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT THAT WE WILL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO OVERLOOK THE FERNANDINA BEACH HARBOR AREA SO WITH THAT IN MIND THAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR WHAT IT WILL BE SERVED HAS LIMITED ACCESS AND CAN ONLY BE ITS OCCUPANCY HAS TO BE LIMITED TO A UTILITY CLASSIFICATION BY THE BUILDING CODE AND WE WOULD HAVE TO MEET THAT AND THEREFORE WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD IT THAT WAY AND MAKE SURE IT HAS ALL THE FIRE PROTECTION REQUIREMENTS LIFE SAFETY ISSUES THAT ARE REQUIRED. IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL TRY TO FOCUS BACK ON THE ORIGINAL TP AND I'M NOT GOING TO PULL ALL THAT I DO HAVE THE SLIDE HERE THAT'S GOT THE ORIGINAL TP DRAWINGS WITH ITS CAP IT WAS 47 FEET 10 INCHES TALL APPROXIMATELY 48 FEET TALL WHICH IS ALMOST THE SAME EXACT HEIGHT WHAT WE HAVE HERE NOT EXACT HEIGHT IT'S SIMILAR HEIGHT AS TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE. OF THE MAIN BUILDING. NOT THE TOWER. NO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE TOWER ITS ELEVATION OF THE TOP OF THIS TOWER IS IT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME THE TP AND IT'S GREAT BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY OCCUPY THE BUILDING YEARS AGO YOU COULD OCCUPY IT AT EIGHT FEET AND HAVE OCCUPABLE SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR AT EIGHT FEET YOU CAN'T DO THAT TODAY IT STARTS AT 12.4 SO BY THE TIME YOU ADD 48 FEET YOU'RE ABOUT THIS YOU'RE WITHIN A FOOT OF MATCHING EXACTLY THE SAME HEIGHT THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IN THIS TOWER. SO WE ASK FOR YOUR FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO FERNANDINA BEACH. WE THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE TO. IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING. WHEN I TALK TO [01:05:01] ONE, I THINK IT WAS THE VICE PRESIDENT OR WHATEVER FOR VISIT FLORIDA WHO RUNS WELCOME STATIONS. ONE OF THE COMMENTS BACK AND FORTH WAS I'VE GOT TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT HAS A POSTCARD APPEAL. SO WHEN YOU GO TO HARBOR TOWN, WHAT DO YOU HAVE AS A LANDMARK. A LANDMARK WAS A FULL LIGHT FULL TOWER. WE WERE NOT PRODUCING THAT OF COURSE BUT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESENT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT OVERBEARING OVERSIZED AND IT'S A 15 FOOT WIDE TOWER THAT PROTRUDES UP THE EXTRA 15 FEET. NEXT I'M REMOVED THE BOARDWALK I'M NOT GONNA BEAT THAT HORSE TO DEATH YOU ASKED ME TO DO IT LAST MEETING WE JUST WHACKED IT OFF IT'S EASY WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT WITH THE CITY AND HELP THE CITY FIND A WAY TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP OUR ACCESSES. BOARDWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE THE VIEW CORRIDOR IS THE VIEW CORRIDOR OF OUR BUILDING SO IT'S REALLY NOT A CONFLICT BUT BECAUSE THE WAY THE RULES ARE WRITTEN I UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS QUESTIONED AND THE LAST THING IS THE CLEAR PRESENTATION OF THE DRAWINGS TO DO AWAY WITH CONFLICTS AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU ABOUT THREE OR FOUR SHEETS AND THAT'S IT I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT'S TOO MUCH TO PRESENT. YOU CAN SEE THE BOARDWALK TO THE NORTH IS GONE THE RETURN ACCESS ROUTE IS NOW GONE. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT I'M SORRY. TAKES A MINUTE TO LOAD IT'S PRETTY GOOD SIZE FILE OR MAYBE IT'S NOT GOING TO PARTICIPATE. OKAY, THIS ONE'S BETTER. SO I'M GOING TO SORT OF BLOW UP THIS HEIGHT SO I CAN SORT OF REVIEW THAT WITH YOU ON THE SCALE WE START AT 12-4. THAT'S OUR ELEVATION. THAT'S WHERE OUR 30 FEET STARTS. THAT 6 FOOT IS THE 72 INCHES TO SCREEN AND THAT'S ALL. SO I MEAN IT'S UP THERE AT AN INCH AND FRANKLY WE DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY MORE THAN THAT. WE JUST ASKED EXACTLY FOR WHAT WE COMMITTED TO DO AND THEN THE TOWER ITSELF WHICH IS BASICALLY ABOUT 15 FEET WIDE AT ITS WIDEST POINT. AND THEN IT HAS A CONICAL SHAPE ON TOP SO THAT IT'S NOT OVERLY INTRUSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS BUT IT SERVES ITS PURPOSE. THE OTHER THING THAT HAS CHANGED IS THE FACT THAT WHEN WE PUT THE MONITOR ROOF AND DECIDED TO AIR CONDITION ALL THE INTERIOR RETAIL SPACES ARE LIKE YOU WALK INTO A WALKING SHOPPING PLOTS LIKE YOU WOULD SEE IN EUROPE OR SOMETHING. SO WE'VE ENCLOSED THAT WITH GLASS DOORS. SO WE AIR CONDITION IT AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S COVERED BY THE MONITOR ROOF AND I'M GOING TO SHOW THE STREET SIDE HERE REAL QUICK. SORRY THIS IS SO SLOW BUT I CAN'T MAKE IT GO FASTER. THIS IS THE STREET SIDE. SO I'M GONNA ZOOM IN HERE A LITTLE BIT SO YOU CAN SORT OF SEE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, THIS MONITOR ROOF. AND ON A GOOD COMPUTER WITH ENOUGH MEMORY, YOU'LL BE YOU CAN SEE THAT INSIDE OF THIS. THESE GLASS PANES THAT RUN ALL THE WAY. THE LENGTH, THE IDEA IS TO BE ABLE TO ENCLOSE THAT, SO IT'S AIR CONDITIONED AND BASICALLY THAT HEIGHT IS THE SAME HEIGHT THAT MATCHES THAT 72 INCH HEIGHT TO HIDE AND THAT WAY WE'RE SPENDING LESS MONEY MAKING ROOFS EVERYWHERE. WE ELIMINATED SOME ROOF BUT WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY CREATING A NEW ROOF BUT IT FITS YOUR GUIDELINES FOR THE CRA FOR THE INDUSTRIAL GUIDELINES FOR CRA. OTHER THAN THAT I'VE GONE OVER MY TIME AND I APPRECIATE THE EXTENSION ON IT I WANT YOU TO ASK ME QUESTIONS AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO BLOW UP ANYTHING FOR YOU SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT. FIRST I WANT [01:10:02] FIRST I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK AND PROVIDING US WITH THESE ELEVATIONS ESPECIALLY WHERE THOSE HVAC UNITS ARE SITTING ON THE ROOF I THINK THAT ELEVATION REALLY MADE THAT CLEAR. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. FLECK? RON I'VE GOT THREE QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SURE. THE TOWER ELEMENT YOU SAID THAT THAT IS A CONTROLLED ACCESS AND IT'S CONSIDERED A U DESIGNATION SO IT'S UTILITY. IT'S A U, IT'S CALLED IT, THERE'S A UTILITY CLASSIFICATION TOWER, LIKE A, LIKE ANY OBSERVATION TOWER. IT'S NOT A, IT CAN, ITS OCCUPANCY LEVEL IS REDUCED. IT'S NOT NORMAL OCCUPANCY. SO YOU CAN'T HAVE FREEDOM OF PEOPLE TO OCCUPY BECAUSE IT'S WILL, THAT BE CONDITIONED. AS THAT A CONDITION, IT WOULD BE OR I COULDN'T MAINTAIN THE ELEMENTS UP THERE AND WE WANT POSITIVE AIR TO THERE TOO OR THE PRODUCT WILL EVENTUALLY BE A PROBLEM. AND FOR CLARITY, COULD YOU REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID THE HEIGHT OF THE OLD TEEPEE BUILDING WAS NOT THAT THAT'S GERMANE TO THIS BUT JUST FOR REFERENCE. FROM ENTRY LEVEL WHICH IN THAT DAY WAS EIGHT FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL IT WAS NOW IT HAS TO BE 12 FEET FOR MINIMUM. SO FROM GRADE FROM MEAN HIGH WATER LINE SAY WHAT WAS IT 50 SOMETHING? 50 SOMETHING FEET. SO FROM MEAN HIGH WATER LINE WE'RE AT 63.8. YES MA'AM. BUT I HAVE TO START HERE. I KNOW WHERE YOU HAVE TO START BUT JUST WHERE WE'RE ENDING IS NOT THE SAME OF WHERE WE WERE. DON'T DENY THAT WHATSOEVER. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS TODAY'S IN TODAY'S TIME FLOOD ZONE RULES AND REGULATIONS MAKE US GO. THE LAST THING IS I THE MONITOR ROOF I THINK IT'S A VAST IMPROVEMENT FOR FOR THE GOAL DOWN THERE AND AM I LOOKING AT THIS RENDERING CORRECTLY IN THAT IT APPEARS AS IF YOU'VE LOWERED THE PITCH OF THE MAIN GABLE ROOF IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THE MONITOR AND THEN THIS OPENS THE STREET VIEW. SO YOU FLATTENED THAT A LITTLE BIT AND THEN IT APPEARS AGAIN THIS IS JUST FROM A RENDERING THAT THE RIDGE OF THE TWO DOGHOUSE DORMERS AND ALSO THAT THE TERMINUS OF THE SHED ROOF HITS THE LOWER PITCH AT THE APPROVED BUILDING HEIGHT ABOVE. YES MA'AM. OKAY THOSE ARE IMPORTANT CLARIFICATIONS. WELL IT HITS THE LIKE THIS ONE YOU SEE IN THIS PICTURE THAT DORMER SETTING RIGHT THERE. I'M LOOKING AT FROM THE FRONT FROM THE FRONT. OKAY STREET SIDE HOLD ON JUST A SECOND LET ME GO TO THAT LET'S SEE IF THAT'S YEAH HERE WE GO LET ME GO DOWN HERE SORRY. HERE THEY'RE JUST THAT SINGLE SLOPE SLANT ROOF THAT'S A ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES WE JUST CREATED THAT BUT THE DORMERS ON THE SIDE THEY'RE BELOW THAT. SO BASICALLY THIS LINE AT THE BASE OF THE MONITOR IS OUR 30 FEET ABOVE BFE. YES MA'AM. NO THAT'S YOUR YES THAT'S YOUR 30 FEET. OKAY THAT'S IT FOR ME. I JUST HAVE ONE OR ONE OR TWO QUESTIONS. YOU MENTIONED THAT THE RESTAURANT IS FOR 250 ATKINS IS THAT THERE'S MY THERE'S TWO RESTAURANTS SO IT'S FIRST FLOOR RESTAURANT AND SECOND FLOOR. YES MA'AM. SO IS IT 250 IN TOTAL OR 250? 250, 250. SO TOTAL OF 500. AND THAT COULD COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND I WOULD SAY BRETT'S I DON'T THINK WAS 110 OR THEY COULD NEVER GET A LIQUOR LICENSE SO I DON'T KNOW. I GOT A FEEL WHEN THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER IN TIER THEY MAY BE BUT I HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR ALL OF MINE. I ACCOUNT FOR MY OUTSIDE ACCOUNT STREET CAMP. UNDERSTOOD OKAY THANK YOU FOR THAT AND JUST IF HOWEVER THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD TO TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR EGRESS THE FIRST THERE'S SOME EGRESS ISSUES WITH THE DOOR SWINGS FROM LIKE THE WALKWAY THERE'S I'D BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AT SOME POINT TO LOOK AT THAT BUT THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH. MY ARCHITECTS ARE PRETTY GOOD AT THEY'LL GET IT RIGHT. YEAH. BELIEVE ME. HOPEFULLY, YEAH. NOBODY WILL LET US SLIDE BY. I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. YEAH. DOOR SWINGS ARE ONE OF THOSE THINGS AND SOME OF IT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR PRIMARY AND SECONDARY. SO WE HAVE INTERIOR EGRESS COMING OUT OF THAT RESTAURANT AS WELL AS EXTERIOR EGRESS. YEAH. SO WE HAVE LIKE THREE EGRESSES FOR FOUR EGRESSES FOR THE BOTTOM RESTAURANT AREA AND THREE FOR THE UPPER. IT JUST LOOKS LIKE BUT MAYBE I'M NOT READING THE THAT'S ALL RIGHT. YEAH AND THEY'RE NOT FULL. YOU GET A FULL SET OF PLANS. IT'LL ALL MAKE SENSE. BELIEVE ME. THANK YOU. JASON HIGGINBOTHAM IS REALLY GOOD AT HIS JOB. HE'LL KEEP US STRAIGHT. THANK YOU. RON FOR THE UNIT [01:15:02] ITSELF YOU'RE SPEC'ING A TRAIN UNIT IS THAT A? NO. RIGHT NOW THAT'S JUST WHAT YOU'RE USING FOR THE SIZE. THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT'S VERY POPULAR AND I MEAN THERE'S OTHER TYPES BUT TYPICALLY FOR THIS UNIT THAT'S THE THAT WOULD BE THE PRODUCT WE LEAN ON OR A THERE'S OTHER BRANDS BUT SOME ARE NOT. MY QUESTION ISN'T REGARDING THE UNIT ITSELF. IT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE FINISH UNIT. RIGHT NOW YOU'RE 14 INCHES OF MECHANICAL CLEARANCE. THAT'S CALLED CURB. AND THEN THE HEIGHT OF THE UNIT IS GOING TO PUT YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOVE THAT SCREEN ENCLOSURE. OKAY SO A BIGGER UNIT WOULD SIT EVEN HIGHER ABOVE THAT SCREEN ENCLOSURE. YEAH IF I HAVE A LARGER UNIT LIKE UNITS THAT I PUT ON THE HOTEL OUT HERE THOSE ARE FULL 20 TON UNITS AND THOSE UNITS ARE 90 INCHES. RIGHT. SO ARE YOU USING A 90 INCH UNIT? NO. NO BECAUSE WHAT WE SHOPPED FOR WERE SPECIFIC UNITS SO THAT I COULD GET MORE HORIZONTAL PLANE DISTRIBUTION OF THAT AREA UNIT THEN I HAVE TO RELY ON THE UNITS THAT ARE MORE VERTICAL. THAT'S ALL. SO THAT WAS THE MODEL THAT WE CHOSE TO PUT THE BEST PRODUCT HERE AS CLOSE AS WE CAN GET TO IT. IT DOESN'T MEAN I'M NOT GOING TO GO OUT AND GET ANOTHER TYPE UNIT BUT I GOT TO MAKE SURE IT MATCHES AND STAYS IN THAT BULK. ABSOLUTELY AND THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION WAS IN PARTICULAR. AND THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL YOU KNOW A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE OTHER COMMERCIAL PEOPLE WE'VE BUILT FOR AND CREATED DESIGNED FOR WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO MATCH WHAT THEY'RE USED TO WORKING WITH. SOME PEOPLE WORK WITH YORK AND WHATEVER THERE'S OTHER A Z AND OTHER CUSTOMERS OUT THERE. SUPPLIERS. OTHER QUESTIONS. SIR. BACK TO THE TOWER BECAUSE I WAS ACTUALLY SENT AN EMAIL BY THE BY THE COAST GUARD FLOTILLA. YOUR ENDING HEIGHT IS THAT 63 FEET ABOVE MAIN WATER. YES SIR. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. SO I JUST NEED THAT. AND THE OTHER QUESTION THEY HAD WAS DID YOU INTEND TO HAVE ANY LIGHTING MORE THAN A HUNDRED LUMENS IN THERE? WILL IT BE USED AT NIGHT AND HAVE A LIGHT? BASICALLY IS WHAT THEY ASKED. I GUESS IF A VISITOR WERE ALLOWED TO BE ESCORTED UP THERE BUT IT DOESN'T STAY. SO THAT GOES BACK TO THE UTILITARIAN QUESTION. SO THE UTILITARIAN DESIGNATION MEANS YOU CAN TAKE TOURS UP THERE. IS THAT? IT'S LIMITED BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY TAKE SO MANY PEOPLE THERE TO DO A VISIT. NO. JULY THINGS LIKE THAT. IS THAT A WALKING AREA ON THE OUTSIDE? YES IT IS. ISN'T IT ALSO AN EDUCATIONAL PIECE? I THOUGHT THIS WAS. WELL THAT'S SORT OF THE IDEA WHEN YOU CREATED IT WAS WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE HISTORY AND SORT OF READ THIS PLAY IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY SO THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT IT AND THEN YOU LOOK OVER THE HARBOR AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PIERS WERE THAT LOADED THE TIMBER OR THE TURPENTINE OR WHATEVER THEY WERE LOADING AT THE TIME. THINGS LIKE THAT. I MEAN IT'S UP AND DOWN THE COAST AND NOW YOU LOOK AND YOU LOOK NORTH AND YOU SEE BIG GANTRY CRATES. IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD. IT'S FUNNY IN BALTIMORE THEY DID SOMETHING AT THE TOP WHERE THE WINDOW SHOWED YOU WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE A HUNDRED YEARS AS YOU SAW THROUGH THE WINDOW AND THEN SAW WHAT WAS THERE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OF DOING? OURS WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO LIKE ATTACH DISPLAY UNITS THAT ATTACH ON THE WINDOW WALL AND SO YOU CAN LOOK AND SEE THE HISTORY SORT OF LIKE WHEN YOU'RE OUT WALKING AT ANY OTHER REST STOP AND YOU CAN LOOK OVER AT AN OVERLOOK IN THE MOUNTAINS. YEAH. AND IT WILL DISPLAY TO YOU WHAT'S THERE. SO THE INTENT WILL BE TO TAKE LIMITED GUIDED TOURS UP THERE? YES BUT I HAVE A I ONLY HAVE A UTILITARIAN USE. I CAN'T PUT UP THERE'S NOBODY WHO CAN BE THERE PERMANENT. THERE IS NO OCCUPANCY PERMANENT OCCUPANCY ALLOWED AND THAT'S CONTROLLED BY THE BUILDING CODE SO AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO ENFORCE. SAME SORT OF THING LIKE THEY DID ORIGINALLY AT HARBOR TOWN. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO AND I THINK THEY STILL TAKE TOURS UP IN THE TOWER BUT IT'S NOT THEY DON'T OCCUPY AN OFFICE UP THERE YOU CAN ONLY DO THAT INSIDE THAT 30-FOOT WINDOW. I THINK THAT WAS OUR POINT OF CONTENTION LAST TIME. YES SIR. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S AND WE AGREED WITH STAFF THAT WE WOULD WRITE IN OUR ON OUR TDC APPROVAL LIST WE WOULD WRITE SOME CLEAR DESIGNATIONS AND LIMITATIONS TO GO WITH IT. OTHER QUESTIONS? [01:20:06] ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING. THANK YOU FOR GIVING US A CHANCE TO COME BACK AND GET ALL THIS STUFF CLARIFIED AND I THINK WE'VE WORKED OUT MOST OF THE THINGS TO DO WITH THEIR VERTICAL BOARD VERSUS SHAKE. IT'S JUST WE WANT ON THE WATER SIDE WE WANT OUR CUSTOMERS TO HAVE THE SHAKE THAT'S THAT WHETHER IT'S IN A LAP BOARD OR SHAKE INDEPENDENT PIECES BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CREATE IT IN THAT ENVIRONMENT WHERE OUR CONTACT IS. I WANTED TO SHOW YOU AND THE AUDIENCE HOW THAT, SORRY ABOUT THAT, DID YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THAT ANYMORE? YOU'RE OKAY WITH THESE ELEVATIONS? ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? YES SIR. ELEVATIONS? WELL ON THE FINAL TWO THEY'LL HAVE TO ALL BE CALLED OUT ON YOUR. OH YEAH YOU'LL SEE A BUCKET MORE BUT YOU CAN SEE QUITE A BIT. I MEAN THIS IS A MODEL. IT'S A MODELED SET OF DRAWINGS ALREADY BEING CREATED. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE HERE WHERE THE WELCOME STATION IS. ALL WE HAVE TO DO AND LIKE I WROTE TO YOU IN MY EXPLANATION AND PRESENTATION. WE REALIZE, ONCE WE GET OUR DEAL WORKED OUT WITH VISIT FLORIDA AND THE CBB, WE WILL PROPOSE TO YOU HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO SIGN IT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MEET TO SIGN. I GOT A RETAIL VENDOR THAT OPERATES AS WELL AS THE WELCOME CENTER FOR FERNANDINA BEACH STATION. WILL YOUR PARKING SPOTS BE DESIGNATED FOR PATRONS ONLY? THAT'S NOT BEEN CLARIFIED YET. WE'RE GOING TO MOST OF THOSE WILL I'M NOT SURE YET THOSE PARKING SPOTS WHILE THEY'RE NOT REALLY REQUIRED YET. EMPLOYEES? NOT QUITE BECAUSE THEY'RE PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO IT WON'T BE THAT BUT THE WE'RE RELYING AS MOST PEOPLE ARE IN THE CRA. RELYING ON THE AVAILABLE CITY PARKING THAT'S ADJACENT AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE PARTICIPATING WHEN TAXES ARE GETTING PAID. CONTRIBUTE TO THE BOWL BUT EVENTUALLY, THE CITY WILL PROVIDE MORE PARKING NORTH OR WHEREVER THEY PROVIDE IT. WHAT DO YOU FORESEE AS THE OVERALL TIMELINE ONCE THE SHOVEL HITS THE DIRT? OH TO BUILD IT PROBABLY IT'S ABOUT A YEAR TO 14 MONTHS. BIGGEST THING IS ALL THE PILES THAT HAVE TO GO IN HERE JUST TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME SO THAT'S ABOUT 90 DAYS OF TIME WITH TEST PILE BUT THE REST OF THE BUILDING ITSELF WILL ROCK AND ROLL PRETTY FAST. IT'S ONLY A, IT'S A TWO-STORY BUILDING NOT LIKE I'M BUILDING A SEVEN OR EIGHT STORY BUILDING. RESTAURANTS AND THOSE USES WILL BE A MIX OF USE OF RETAIL SHOPS, GIFT SHOPS, WHATEVER WHATEVER THE MARKET DEMANDS. OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS IS SORRY YOU CAN SEE THE ELEVATED PROFILE IN THE BREEZEWAY YOU KNOW THE MONITOR ROOF THAT POPS UP THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM BELOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. FLECK? NOT SEEING ANY. THANK YOU. YES SIR. I'LL STAND BY IF YOU HAVE ANY. ABSOLUTELY YOU STAY CLOSE. I'M GONNA OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT I BELIEVE WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK. MISS MARIE IF YOU'LL SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON I'M MARIE DUGGAR WITH THE AMELIA ISLAND CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU. I JUST WANTED TO COME IN AND I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT PILINGS AND ALL OF THAT BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT WHILE WE ARE LOSING OUR DRONE TAKEOFF LOCATION FOR DICKENS ON CENTER WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. THE CONVENTION OF VISITORS BUREAU SEES THE POTENTIAL TO CREATE A MEMORABLE VISITOR EXPERIENCE HERE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO RECONNECTING VISITORS WITH THE HISTORY OF YOU KNOW FLORIDA AND THEN OBVIOUSLY BECOMING THE MARINE WELCOME CENTER. OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THIS FLORIDA HAVE BEEN VERY PRODUCTIVE THIS CONCEPT THE OPPORTUNITIES TO CONNECT THE HISTORY AND WE WOULD LOVE TO YOU KNOW CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THAT SALUTE THE CREATION OF THIS. YOU KNOW OVER THE YEARS WE'VE SEEN VISITOR TRENDS START TO CHANGE AND HOW PEOPLE ARE USING DOWNTOWN AND BEING ABLE TO SORT [01:25:02] OF BE THE EVOLUTION OF THAT AND SO WE SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT NEW EVENTS PROGRAMMING OBVIOUSLY THE HISTORY AND THEN OF COURSE YOU KNOW NEW EXPERIENCES DOWN AT THE VISITOR'S WATERFRONT. SO WE ARE NOT GETTING INTO THE DETAILS OF THIS OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THIS AND YOU KNOW BE BE PART OF THE TEAM AND BRINGING THIS TO LIGHT. SO THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT MOVE TO BOARD DISCUSSION. THIS IS QUITE THE PROJECT QUITE THE PROJECT BUT I THINK BASED OFF THE COMMENTS WE MADE LAST TIME MOST OF THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MET I THINK MY YOU KNOW LARGEST RESERVATION IS JUST THAT USE OF THE OBSERVATION TOWER AND HOW THAT'S AGREEING WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. THERE'S A LINE IN THERE ABOUT UNCONDITIONED SPACE WHICH IS A LITTLE CONFUSING TO SAY THE LEAST. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD NOT CONDITION THAT BUILDING ESPECIALLY. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT AND THEN I THINK I MEAN IT'S SUCH AN AMBITIOUS PROJECT AND AND TAKEN IN A VACUUM IT'S YOU KNOW IT'S OBVIOUSLY IT'S MONUMENTAL. I THINK WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AS WHAT I SAID THE FIRST TIME THIS IS THE FIRST MAJOR REDEVELOPMENT OF OUR WATERFRONT OF A STRUCTURE AND IT DOESN'T HARKEN TO THE OTHER WATERFRONT STRUCTURES THAT ARE THERE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, MAKING IT A VISITOR CENTER, YOU KNOW, A PLACE OF REMEMBRANCE THAT ALSO KIND OF SHIFTS THE FOCUS OF THIS TOWARDS VISITORS AND TOURISTS AND AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS. AND LAST NIGHT AT THE COMMISSION MEETING, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE YEAR. IT'S THE EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL REPORT FOR OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND WE DO THAT EVERY SEVERAL YEARS. IT'S STATE-MANDATED, AND THE CONSULTANT HAD TO INTERVIEW PEOPLE THAT CAME TO POP UP LOCATIONS. THE CONSULTANT WAS EVEN SURPRISED. THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT OUR RESIDENTS VALUE ABOUT OUR CITY IS THE WATERFRONT, NOT THE BEACH, THE WATERFRONT, AND THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. SO, THIS IS ANECDOTAL. I RIDE THIS STREET PROBABLY THREE TIMES A DAY. I WALK IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. WHEN THEY JUST MOVED THE LITTLE PIRATE SHANTY SHACK FROM WHERE IT WAS NEXT TO KEVIN'S PLACE, THE WATERFRONT OPENED UP. THAT IS AN EIGHT-FOOT-WIDE SHACK. SO, IF WE'RE PUTTING, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT ARE WE AT? A HUNDRED FEET, 75 FEET, 150 FEET TIMES 40-SOME-ODD FEET, WE ARE COMPLETELY OBLITERATING WHAT WE SEE OF THE WATER. AND IT WILL BE THE PEOPLE, I GET IT, YOU WANT TO TURN A BUCK AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE THE WEALTHY PEOPLE THAT CAN AFFORD THOSE RESTAURANT VIEWS AND PRICES, LOOKING AT THE WATER AND HAVING A DRINK AND HAVING THE SUNSET. THE SALTY PELICAN, WHICH IS USUALLY LOCALS, IS GOING TO LOSE THEIR VIEW. SO, IF I'M GOING TO APPROVE SOMETHING, IT HAS TO HIT EVERY SINGLE MARK, AND I'M MISSING THAT UNCONDITIONED SPACE, WHICH IS CALLED OUT. AND THE OTHER THING I'M MISSING IS WE CALL OUT THE VERY FIRST THING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IS SCALE, HEIGHT, AND WIDTH. THIS DOESN'T MEET SCALE, HEIGHT, OR WIDTH. AND GRANTED, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF STUFF DOWN THERE, BUT THE SECOND THING IS, IN THE CRA, IT SAYS CLEARLY THAT IF THERE'S A PARAPET, THAT'S WHERE IT HAS THE 42 INCHES. SO, WE WERE WRONG. THAT WAS NOT THE OVC. IT IS IN THE CRA GUIDELINES. IT SAYS THAT THE PARAPET MAKES ENDS UP TO 42 INCHES HIGHER THAN THE 30-FOOT HEIGHT RESTRICTION. SO, I WOULD PUT TO YOU, IF YOU'RE STILL INTENT ON THIS, YOU'VE GOT TO HIT THAT 42-FOOT MAX. AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, IT'S 15 INCHES OF DIFFERENCE ON EACH FLOOR DROP. WE'VE GOT 15-FOOT CEILINGS. DROP IT 15 INCHES IN EACH, AND THEN WE'RE NOT MAKING EXCEPTIONS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. IT'S NOT A GOOD PRECEDENT. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE, AND IF WE ACCEPT IT [01:30:01] WITH A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT AREN'T HITTING ALL THE MARKS, LAST THING, I LIKE THE MONITOR ROOF. HOWEVER, THIS IS FROM THE AMERICAN LEGAL PUBLISHING CODE: A GABLE ROOF, WHICH WE'RE NO LONGER LOOKING AT, BUT A MONITOR ROOF IS NOT CONSIDERED A SCREENING ELEMENT IN ARCHITECTURE AND BUILDING CODE. A ROOF IS A PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND A WEATHERPROOFING ROOF FORM. SO, EVEN HAVING THAT, IT'S NOT A SCREENING ELEMENT. YOU WANT TO KEEP IT WEATHERED, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET THE BUILDING DOWN JUST A COUPLE INCHES. WHAT ARE WE AT? 15 INCHES, 30 INCHES? SO, I CAN'T APPROVE THIS AS IT'S THERE, AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WHY. THAT'S ALL I GOT. I'LL, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH EVERYTHING THAT TAMMY HAS SAID, AND I THINK SHE PUT IT MUCH MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN I COULD HAVE. SO, THANK YOU. I AM VERY CONCERNED, AND I SAID THIS LAST TIME AS WELL, THAT THIS IS THE FIRST PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO BE AT THE RIVERFRONT, AND IT IS GOING TO BLOCK ALL THE WATER VIEWS. IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE, AND I AM VERY, VERY CONCERNED WITH THE OVERALL MASSING AND SCALE OF THIS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT 30 FEET OVER THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT FROM GRADE, THIS STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE LIKE 63 FEET TALL TO THE TOWER. I DO AGREE THAT IT NEEDS TO COME DOWN AND SCALE SIGNIFICANTLY. EVEN THOUGH THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 30 FEET, I WOULD EVEN LOVE TO SEE IT BE REALLY JUST A ONE-STORY BUILDING. I GET WHY YOU'RE BUILDING THE WAY YOU'RE BUILDING IT, AND FINANCES AND ALL THAT, I UNDERSTAND THE COMPONENT OF THE TOWER, BUT I THINK THAT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THIS IN ITS ENTIRETY NEEDS TO MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS AND NOT HAVE THE EXCEPTION OF A 15-FOOT FOURTH HEIGHT ABOVE THE MAXIMUM STRUCTURE. SO, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS THE WAY IT IS NOW, AS WELL. I THINK THE THING I'M CONSCIOUS OF, THOUGH, IS THAT FOR THIS ZONING DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BUILD THERE. WE'RE NOT MEETING THE 42-INCH PARAPET. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THERE IS DISCREPANCY IN THE PARAPET, AND I'VE READ, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN BOTH, THOUGH, ABOUT SIX FEET OF SCREEN ENCLOSURE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SUPPOSED TO EXCEED THE BUILDING HEIGHT OR NOT, BUT AT LEAST IN THE LDC, WHAT I WAS READING, IT DOESN'T SPECIFY WHAT MATERIAL IT IS. AND I THOUGHT USING THAT MONITOR ROOF WAS A CREATIVE WAY OF GETTING AROUND, I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DON'T WANT, IS A GETTING-AROUND. BECAUSE IF WE TAKE THIS FURTHER, I CAN GO IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M GOING TO BUILD MY HOUSE TO 25 FEET BECAUSE THAT'S MY MAX, BUT I'M GOING TO PUT MY AIR HANDLER IN THE ATTIC, AND I NEED A SIX-FOOT GABLE ABOVE THAT 25 FEET, AND THEN I CAN SAY IT'S SCREENING MY AIR HANDLER. IT'S A ROOF. IT'S NOT A SCREEN. IT'S NOT A SEPARATE SCREEN. AND I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST DISTINCTION HERE THAT WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT. I THINK WE NEED, LIKE, SOME VERY SPECIFIC CODE INTERPRETATION ON WHAT IS PERMITTED. IT'S JUST A GREAT, THERE'S TOO MUCH, I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH CONTRADICTION. AGREE. YEAH. SO, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL. CAN WE APPROVE CONCEPTUAL WITH THE REDUCTION IN THAT MANY INCHES, WITH THE REDEFINITION OF THE PARAPET BEING UNCONDITIONED? I MEAN, CAN WE MOVE THIS ALONG, OR DOES IT NEED TO COME BACK TO A CONCEPTUAL? I THINK THAT THE QUESTION FOR THERESA, I MEAN, BASICALLY, WE'RE COMING BACK TO SAYING THE SAME THING: HIT WHAT'S IN THE GUIDELINES, HIT WHAT'S IN THE CODE. I AM SEEING MARGARET AT THE PODIUM. SHE MAY HAVE AN ANSWER. UNDER CONCEPTUAL, YOU COULD APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS, AND THEN MARGARET'S GOING TO SPEAK HERE IN A SECOND. AND YES, AND I THINK I'VE ALSO HEARD THEY'RE ENTITLED TO THEIR HEIGHT, AND YOU HAVE CLEARLY SAID THAT AS FAR AS THE MINIMUM HEIGHT. I HEARD THE ONE-STORY COMMENT. YEAH, THEY ARE ENTITLED TO THEIR HEIGHT. SO, WITH THAT, WE'LL SEE WHAT PLANNING MANAGER, CITY OF FERNANDINA, HAS TO SAY. YES. SO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PARAPETS, THE PARAPETS ARE AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE THAT IS USED AND IS THROUGHOUT THE LDC AND THROUGH THE HISTORIC AND THE CRA ABOUT FLAT ROOFS, RIGHT? IT'S ANOTHER WAY, INSTEAD OF HAVING PITCHED ROOFS, YOU CAN PROPOSE PARAPETS, AND THERE'S A LIMIT ON HOW FAR THAT PARAPET CAN BE [01:35:01] UNDER BUILDING CODE. AND SO, THERE'S A WHOLE REASON WHY A PARAPET, YOU WOULDN'T WANT IT THAT TALL. SCREENING OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS A SEPARATE ISSUE. THE DOWNTOWN GUIDELINES DO NOT ADDRESS MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, AND IN THE LDC, THERE IS NO HEIGHT REQUIREMENT. THERE'S NO LIMIT AS TO HOW HIGH OR HOW MUCH YOU CAN USE TO SCREEN MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, EXCEPT FOR WHEN IT CROSSES CERTAIN THRESHOLDS, AND THEN IT BECOMES BUILDING CODE. SO, THIS IS JUST ONE WAY THAT THEY ARE ASKING TO SCREEN THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. A PARAPET IS ONLY ONE WAY. YOU COULD, IF YOU JUST HAD ONE UNIT, PROPOSE A PARAPET, BUT A PARAPET IS NOT THE ONLY WAY TO SCREEN THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. AND IF IT WAS IN THE CENTER, YOU WOULDN'T USE A PARAPET. SO, THE PARAPETS ARE MORE ABOUT, LIKE, IN A SHOPPING CENTER WHERE YOU HAVE A FLAT ROOF. IT'S A WAY TO CREATE A ROOFLINE, RIGHT, OR DIFFERENT ROOFLINES, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A WHOLE ROOF. SO, THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT EXTENSION IN THE HEIGHT IS ALLOWED IF IT'S STRICTLY FOR SCREENING MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. AND THAT WAS WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS AT THE LAST MEETING: IS IT TRULY, WHICH IS WHAT THE QUESTION IS, IS IT TRULY ONLY SCREENING MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT? IF IT DOESN'T, THEN IT CAN'T EXTEND ABOVE THE HEIGHT. BUT IF IT IS TRULY AN ELEMENT THAT THEY'RE USING TO SCREEN THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, THEN THAT HEIGHT CAN EXCEED ABOVE 30. IT IS ALLOWED IN THE LDC, IT'S ALLOWED IN THE HDC, AND IT'S ALLOWED IN THE CRA BECAUSE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT HAS TO BE SCREENED. THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, IN THE FUTURE, YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT. AND IT CAN ONLY BE SO HIGH FROM BUILDING CODE. SO, WHEN I SAY THERE'S A LIMIT THERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME LIMIT WHEN IT COMES FROM BUILDING CODE, BUT THIS DOES NOT EXCEED THAT LIMIT. IF THAT'S SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE YOU WANT TO ADDRESS, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE, AS YOU UPDATE YOUR GUIDELINES AND LOOK AT THAT, MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE. BUT AT THIS POINT, IT IS ALLOWED. WHAT ABOUT, WOULD WE HAVE TO ALSO REDEFINE SCREENING ELEMENT SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PARAPET, BUT IT CAN'T JUST BE A ROOF? IT CAN BE, IF IT'S APPROVED. IT CAN BE, IF IT'S TRULY ONLY BEING USED TO SCREEN THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. IF THAT'S THE CHOICE THAT THEY'RE USING TO TRY TO SCREEN IT, BUT IT HAS TO ONLY BE TO SCREEN THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. AND THAT WAS THE WHOLE EXERCISE THAT I THINK THE APPLICANT WENT THROUGH, WAS TO PROVE THAT THE AREA THAT HE'S SCREENING, THE ROOF THAT HE'S CHOOSING TO SCREEN THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ONLY, IS AS HIGH AND AS WIDE AS IS NEEDED TO STRICTLY SCREEN THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED HIM ABOUT HOW TALL THOSE UNITS WERE GOING TO BE, SO WE DIDN'T GET A TEN-FOOT, YOU KNOW, MONITOR ROOF. YEAH. AFTER THE FACT, THEY ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE TOWER. SO, THERE IS A PROVISION IN, SO, WHEN YOU SAY UNOCCUPIED, UNCONDITIONED SPACE, OKAY. SO, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, YOU'RE JUST THINKING ABOUT, LIKE, YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO UTILIZE IT. NOT UTILIZE IT, BUT ACTUALLY OCCUPY IT FROM A DWELLING PERSPECTIVE. BUT THERE ARE PROVISIONS UNDER THE BUILDING CODE THAT DON'T NECESSARILY DEFINE OCCUPIED AND CONDITIONED THE SAME AS YOU WOULD DEFINE OCCUPIED AND CONDITIONED. AND SO, THAT'S THAT UTILITARIAN CODE THAT WAS REFERENCED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND AS WELL BY THE APPLICANT THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT. THAT IS AN ALLOWABLE USE THAT WE JUST HAVEN'T SEEN UTILIZED BECAUSE, LIKE YOU SAID, THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN. AND SO, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, WE'VE NEVER REALLY HAD IT REQUESTED BEFORE IN THE DOWNTOWN, BUT WE'VE HAD SOMETHING SIMILAR WHEN THE SCREENING OF THE ROOF AT SOME OF THE HOTELS, AND MOST RECENTLY THE HOLIDAY INN. SO, WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT, ABOUT THE SCREENING OF THE EQUIPMENT, OF DIFFERENT USES THAT DIFFERENT THINGS YOU CAN USE, AND THIS WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE USE IN ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AS WELL. SO, I JUST WANTED TO TRY TO HOPEFULLY CLEAR THAT UP A LITTLE BIT, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME. I THINK THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEEDED TO HEAR. SO, THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOUR ISSUE WITH THE SCREEN ENCLOSURE BEING A ROOF MATERIAL, BUT BECAUSE OF HOW ILL-DEFINED THE SCREEN ENCLOSURE IS, IT DOESN'T SPECIFY A MATERIAL. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A CREATIVE WAY OF HAVING THAT SCREEN ENCLOSURE NOT BE A FENCE OR OTHER. AND, YOU KNOW, FROM 48 FEET HIGH, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SEE THAT HVAC UNIT ARE GOING TO BE OVER ON 14TH STREET, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE QUITE A BIT [01:40:02] OF WAYS BEFORE YOU'RE EVEN ABLE TO SEE A PIECE OF HVAC. I THINK THAT'S FAIR. THE PEOPLE RIGHT ACROSS, THE CONDOS AND THE SALTY PEOPLE, WILL SEE IT. SO, I THINK MY QUESTION BACK TO THE BOARD IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE. SO, WHICH COMES FIRST? SO, WE HAVE THE CODE, AND THEN YOU BUILD. YOU HAVE YOUR BFE AND YOU HAVE YOUR TOP, AND THEN YOU DIDN'T FILL THE SANDWICH. YOU DON'T BUILD A TRIPLE-DECKER SANDWICH AND THEN SAY, OH, I NEED THE FLAG ON THE TOP, SO IT'S GOING TO BE BIGGER. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE. IF ANYBODY CAN BUILD A MONITOR AND SAY I GOT MY AIR HANDLER UP THERE THAT'S ALL THAT'S UP THERE. I COULD DO THAT IN MY HOUSE AND SAY THAT'S ALL THAT'S UP THERE. I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. BUT NO ONE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A 42 FOOT HIGH STRUCTURE UNLESS THEY'RE IN. I MEAN ABOVE WHATEVER THE EXISTING CODE IS FOR WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING. IF CODE IS 25 AND THEY BUILD THEIR BASE PLATE TO 25 AND THEN THEY STICK A EIGHT FOOT GABLE ON TOP WITH AN AIR HANDLER THEY CAN SAY THAT'S COVERING MY MECHANICAL. AND I WOULD SUGGEST YOU KNOW THAT'S WHY WE REVIEW THESE CASES CASE BY CASE. BECAUSE IN THIS CASE THAT IS WHAT THIS IS FOR. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE OTHER POINT MARGARET PEARSON CITY OF FERNANDINA. IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL YOU HAVE TO LOCATE YOUR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IN THE REAR OR THE SIDE SETBACK. I MEAN THE REAR YARD. YOU'RE NOT YOU CAN'T JUST PUT YOUR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT NOT IN EVERY ZONING DISTRICT THAT YOU CAN SIMPLY PUT YOUR AIR CONDITION UNITS OR ANY OF YOUR EQUIPMENT ON THE ON THE ROOF. IT'S IN THE ONLY THE COMMERCIAL IS WHERE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. BUT YOUR AIR HANDLER COULD BE UP THERE. THAT'S WHERE WE PUT MANY OF OUR AIR HANDLERS IN AND WE COULD SAY WELL WE NEED A ROOF OVER THE AIR HANDLER AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE IT'S THE ELEVATOR STORY ON FLETCHER. I DON'T KNOW. THE ELEVATOR SITUATION ON FLETCHER. I WAS GOING TO SAY THE BEACH ELEVATOR. AND THAT DISTRICT YOU COULDN'T BECAUSE YOU CAN'T EXTEND ANYTHING ABOVE IS CLEAR AT THE AT THE OCEAN THAT YOU CANNOT GO ANY HIGHER THAN 35 FEET FOR ANYTHING. SO THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR. SO YOU COULDN'T DO IT AT THE OCEAN AS WELL. THERE MAY BE SOME EXISTING CONDITIONS OUT THERE. I WAS REFERRING TO THE TO THE CONDOS JUST SOUTH OF CENTER STREET. PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO PUT ELEVATOR BUILDINGS AND THEN BUILD PORCHES OUT THERE. AND THEY USE THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. OH WE'RE JUST COVERING MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. YEAH THERE'S PRETTY SPECIFIC GUIDELINES FOR ELEVATOR SHAFTS AND ALL THAT. SO THAT'S A SEPARATE THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE THING. AND I KNOW THEY ALL SOUND KIND OF SIMILAR BUT IN OUR WORLD WHEN WE REVIEW THEM THEY ARE VERY SPECIFIC FOR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. YOU KNOW CARNUSES AT THE TOP. RAILING IF YOU'RE HAVING A ROOFTOP DECK. ELEVATORS. I MEAN THEY'RE ALL CHIMNEYS. THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT HAVE ALL DIFFERENT CRITERIA. BUT I JUST WANT TO CLEAR THAT UP IN SOME THAT YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY PUT YOUR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOF IN ALL CASES. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING THIS WAY AND ASKING FOR AN EXTRA MINUTE I THINK. BUT HE DOES GET A REBUTTAL WHEN YOU'RE DONE. I'M SORRY NO NO THAT IS NOT WHAT THE REBUTTAL IS FOR. THE REBUTTAL WAS IF THERE WAS ANY COMMENTS YOU'RE ALLOWED TO REBUT THAT. WITH THE BOARD DISCUSSION THERE'S NO REBUTTAL TIME. BUT YOU KNOW IF YOU IT WOULD BE UP TO THE BOARD CHAIR IF YOU WANTED TO GIVE A MINUTE OR TWO TO MAKE A COMMENT BASED ON WHAT HE'S HEARD. BUT IT'S NOT AT THE RESERVE REBUTTAL THAT IS FOR AFTER STAFF AND AFTER THE OTHER. YOU'RE SURRENDERING THAT. AND THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO THE CHAIR IF YOU FEEL YOU NEED THAT CLARIFICATION. GIVE HIM TWO MINUTES OR NOT AND I CAN SET IT. ARE WE GIVING HIM TWO? TWO MINUTES. OKAY. BIGGEST THING IS UNDERSTANDING SEVERAL ITEMS. WE ARE NOT BUILDING OUR FIRST FLOOR AT 12 FOOT 4 INCHES. BECAUSE I'M A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND MY F FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION IS REQUIRED TO BE AT ALMOST 16 FEET. THAT'S THE FIRST OCCUPABLE LEVEL. I'M LOSING 4 FEET AND CAN'T GAIN BACK. SO THAT 30 FEET WHICH USED TO BE 35 FEET BEFORE THE CRA. THEN IT BECAME 30. AND NOW WE'VE LOST FOUR MORE FEET BECAUSE FLOODPLAIN HAS PUSHED IT UP. AND I LOST [01:45:03] FOUR ESSENTIALLY FOUR FEET BECAUSE MY STRUCTURE HAS TO BE ABOVE THAT BFE. MY WHOLE STRUCTURE TO HOLD IT. SO MY FIRST FINISHED FLOOR LEVEL IS NOT LIKE IT WOULD BE IN A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF STREET. AND YOU'RE CALLING YOUR FIRST FLOOR THE ONE ABOVE WHERE THE DUMPSTERS ARE GOING. YES. WHAT I CALL THE GARAGE AREA. YEAH THAT WOULD BE A GARAGE AREA AND THAT'S INSIDE. YOUR FIRST FLOOR IN MY EYES IS THE SECOND FLOOR. YES SIR. OKAY. AND THAT WHERE THESE PEOPLE ARE WALKING THAT'S THE FIRST OCCUPABLE LEVEL AT 16 FEET 4 INCHES OR 16 SOMETHING. IT'S RIGHT AT 16 FEET. IT'S NOT LIKE EVERYBODY MEASURES AND I JUST DIDN'T MANAGE 30 FEET VERY WELL. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND BELIEVE ME WE HAVE CRUNCHED IT TO DEATH TO STAY WHERE IT IS. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT PLEASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE CONCEPTUALLY THEY'RE MEETING HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS, BLOCK COVERAGE, IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION. WE ALL KNOW THERE'S A LOT MORE FORGIVENESS IN NEW CONSTRUCTION THAN THERE IS ANYTHING EXISTING. AND I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME PICKING APART ANYTHING THAT THIS BOARD HASN'T ASKED THEM TO DO OTHER THAN SCALING BACK THE STRUCTURE. WHAT ABOUT THE TOWER? AND THE TOWER. AND THE HEIGHT OF THE TOWER. SO UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO PLACE CONDITIONS ON THAT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING AT THE CONCEPTUAL LEVEL THAT SHOULD HOLD THIS UP. SO IF THIS IS APPROVED AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL AND THIS EXACT PLAN COMES BACK FOR FINAL. DOESN'T OUR APPROVAL PRECLUDE OR REQUIRE THEN APPROVAL OF THE SAME PLAN THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED? UNLESS WE APPLY CONDITIONS ON THE HEIGHT OF THE ORNAMENTAL FEATURE OR THE BUILDING. SO DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? AND IF I MAY BEFORE YOU TRY TO MAKE A MOTION IF YOU ARE GOING TO TRY AND PUT ANY CONDITION ON HEIGHT I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC THAT HEIGHT IS INTERPRETED BY THE CODE AND THROUGH TRC. I DON'T THINK YOU COULD SAY ONLY ONE STORY OR ONLY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE VERY CAREFUL IF YOU CONDITION IT ON HEIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT BE COMPLIANT WITH THE CODE AND AS APPROVED BY TRC WHICH IS THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY IF HEIGHT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING YOU YOU WANT TO. I MEAN I HAVE TO HEAR THE MOTION BUT I JUST WANTED TO CAUTION YOU. THANK YOU. SO WE WOULD APPROVE CONCEPTUALLY WITH HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS PER TRC. THEY CAN COME BACK AND SET THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AND HEIGHTS. I MEAN AGAIN OUR JOB IS TO LOOK AT THIS FROM A CONCEPTUAL, HISTORIC, FLAVOR, PIRATE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. BUT WE'RE NOW GETTING INTO THE WEEDS ON SOME VERY TECHNICAL ITEMS THAT ACTUALLY ARE BEYOND CONCEPTUAL. THEY'RE THERE WE'RE INCHES AND FEET RIGHT AND THAT ACTUALLY ANOTHER GROUP IS RESPONSIBLE CORRECT RIGHT THE TRC AND TRC AND THE BUILDING CODE. RIGHT SO SO IF WE COULD SAY CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED TO MEET EXISTING CODES THEN THAT GROUP WILL WORK WITH WITH RON TO MAKE SURE IT FITS INSIDE THE SQUARE PEG OR THE ROUND HOLE. I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS THE SCALE HEIGHT WIDTH WHICH DOESN'T HAVE A SPECIFICITY ATTACHED TO IT. YEAH SO YOU KNOW IT REALLY DOES COME DOWN TO THAT AND THIS PRECEDENT FOR THE THAT THIS IS THE FIRST STRUCTURE THAT'S POTENTIALLY BUILT DOWN THERE AND WE'RE SETTING UP PRECEDENT THAT I JUST MIGHT IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. I THINK WE'RE LOOKING BACK TO THE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THE EVIDENCE WITHIN A CODE TO JUSTIFY THE GUT FEELING AT LEAST THAT THE FEELING THAT I HAVE THAT THE SCALE IS TOO BIG AND THAT IT IS GOING IT'S GOING TO IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY GOING TO CHANGE THE LOOK [01:50:01] OF THE RIVERFRONT. AND I AND I REALLY STRUGGLE TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT WITH THE TOWER AT THE HEIGHT IT IS I REALLY LIKE THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE NEEDS TO COME DOWN WITHIN THE WITHIN THE GOT THE CODE. MARGARET. NONE OF THIS FALLS INTO A VARIANCE. NO. IF THEY GO BEYOND THOSE. NO YOU CAN'T. WHEN IT COMES BACK FOR A VARIANCE. AND I'M SORRY I WAS JUMPING IN TOO QUICKLY MARGARET IF YOU WANT TO GET TO A MICROPHONE IS THE QUESTION CAN THEY VARY FROM THIS CONCEPTUAL AND GO EVEN HIGHER. NO, NO. WE DO CONCEPTUAL BASED ON THE RECOMMENDED REQUIREMENTS THEN IT GOES TO TRC AND SOME OF THE OTHERS AND THEN THEY DETERMINE IN ORDER TO DO THIS WE HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE TO GO HIGHER AND THEN IT WOULD COME BACK TO US FOR A VARIANCE. YES, YOU CANNOT GET A VARIANCE FOR HEIGHT SO IT WILL NOT COME BACK TO YOU FOR VARIANCE. I THINK WE NEED I THINK IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT THIS BUILDING AND TRY TO COMPARE SCALE AND HEIGHT BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANYTHING TO COMPARE IT TO. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHERE I'M LOSING ON THAT ARGUMENT. IT'S MEETING ALL OF THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS OUTSIDE OF ANY CONDITIONS THAT WE COULD PLACE ON THE ORNAMENTAL STRUCTURE OF THE SCREEN ENCLOSURE. THOSE ARE NON-SPECIFIC BUT AS FAR AS THE BUILDING ITSELF I THINK IT'S MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT IS IN THE LDC. THEY'RE NOT OVER LOT COVERAGE THEY'RE NOT OVER THE BUILDING HEIGHT UNLESS WE'RE CONSIDERING THE SCREEN ENCLOSURE PART OF THAT. IS ANYONE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION? YOU CAN SET THE GAVEL ASIDE AND PASS IT DOWN IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION BUT OTHERWISE YOU CAN CONTINUE TO REQUEST THAT MEMBERS MAKE A MOTION BUT THAT IS ANOTHER OPTION FOR YOU. I THINK I'M JUST CONCERNED I WON'T HAVE A SECOND IF I MOVE THE GAVEL TO THE SIDE. I MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SCALE AND THE HEIGHT OF THE SCREEN ENCLOSURE BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE SAY WELL IF IT WAS SEE-THROUGH IF IT WAS AT THREE FOOT IF THAT ROOF WAS ANY DIFFERENT YOU KNOW WE'D FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE. I THINK THE ONE-STORY STRUCTURE WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. I WOULD ASK FOR THE RECORD TELL YOU CANNOT REQUIRE THAT. I WAS TRYING TO AVOID THAT BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT. I WAS TRYING TO GET THERE WITHOUT HAVING TO BE THAT DIRECT. I THINK THE BEST WE CAN DO IS ASK THEM TO CONSIDER MAKING THAT ORNAMENTAL FEATURE SMALLER. I MEAN I THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT ORIGINAL TOWER WE WERE DISCUSSING AND THIS IS EIGHT FOOT. PEAK TO PEAK FOR 6353 ADD IN THAT. I THINK THE TOWER IS THE LEAST OF THE CONCERN BECAUSE IT'S SO FAR BACK AND IT'S KIND OF BACK IN THE CORNER YOU KNOW IT'S SET BACK AND I JUST LITERALLY AM CONCERNED WITH THE MASSING RIGHT THERE ON FRONT STREET THAT IS MY THAT'S THE ONE I CAN'T GET PAST AND YOU KNOW THERE'S NOTHING AGAINST THE BUILDING ITSELF IT'S THE LOCATION OF THIS BUILDING AND WHERE IT IS AND YOU KNOW JUST CALL THE QUESTION AND THEN WE GO FORWARD. I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE BUT YOU KNOW I JUST I GOT I GOT A STICK THE SCALE HEIGHT MASS OF WHAT WE DO HAVE OUT THERE AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE LOOKING. YEAH I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE'RE GETTING INTO THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING INSTEAD OF APPROVING WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US. I'M NOT DESIGNING IT. I DON'T WANT TO DESIGN IT. I'M JUST SAYING IT'S THE SCALE AND HEIGHT AND WIDTH IS TOO BIG. WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY MORE PEAKS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A LITTLE SHRIMP SHOPS OR SHRIMP SHACKS OR SOMETHING. SO I'M GOING TO SET MY GAVEL ASIDE OKAY AND I'M [01:55:01] GOING TO MAKE A MOTION OKAY AS A VICE CHAIR OR CHAIR. WE'LL SEND THAT DOWN TO TAMMY AGAIN. OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION? YES AS SOON AS I FIND THE CORRECT PAGE TO MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE HTC CASE NUMBER 2026-0021 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE MASS AND SCALE OF THE BUILDING AND ORNAMENTAL FEATURES BE CONSIDERED IN THE FINAL SET OF PLANS AND I MOVE ANY OTHER CONDITIONS? CONSIDERED OR REDUCED? CONSIDERED AND POSSIBLY REDUCED. THAT'S LIKE LAWYER SPEAK. WITHOUT DESIGNING THE STRUCTURE AND I MOVE THAT THE HTC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW A PART OF THE RECORD THAT HTC CASE 2026-0021 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA DESIGN GUIDELINES AND DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SEEING NONE THE MOTION FAILS. SO THE APPLICANT YOU KNOW DESERVES A DECISION I MEAN IF THAT MOTION'S FAILED THEN YOU'RE YOU KNOW YOU'LL HAVE TO COME UP WITH IF YOU'RE INTENDING TO DENY IT OR WHAT YOU'RE INTENDING TO DO. LET ME ASK YOU THIS IF CAN SOMEBODY SECOND FOR THE SENSE FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION? YOU CAN ALWAYS SECOND. IF SOMEBODY WILL SECOND THEN WE CAN I WILL SECOND IT IF WE TAKE OUT THE CONSIDER PART. I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR REDUCTION IN SCALE TO MEET EXISTING CODE. I WAS READY TO SECOND IT BUT IT DOES MEET THE EXISTING CODE. THE ONLY DISCREPANCY IS THE POSSIBLE DISCREPANCY IS THE HEIGHT OF THE SCREEN ENCLOSURE. AND AGAIN, WE WERE WE'RE NOT GOING ON SLIPPERY SLOPE WHERE WE'RE NOW, WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT THINGS SUBJECTIVE. AND WELL, OKAY, SO, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEONE TWO BLOCKS DOWN THE STREET COMES WITH THE SAME ARGUMENT AND WANTS TO DO THE SAME THING BECAUSE THEY DO FOUR APARTMENTS STACKED OR THREE APARTMENTS STACKED. AND THEN THEY, SO I GOT TO PUT ALL THESE UNITS WAY UP THERE BUT NOW THEY BRING US A PLAN SAYING, WELL THE BIGGEST UNIT I FOUND WHAT IS 90 INCHES TALL BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME SPACE. SO, I HAVE, I HAVE AN ISSUE OF IF WE HAVE RULES THEN WE NEED TO GO CHANGE THE RULES. LET'S NOT JUST BEND THEM EVERY TIME SOMEONE COMES UP. SO AGAIN I HAVE NO PROBLEM SECONDING THAT I JUST DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THE WORD SHOULD. I DON'T LIKE THE WORD CONSIDER. I LIKE TO SEE CAN NOT, YOU KNOW, CANNOT OR MUST OR SOMETHING. I DON'T LIKE SHOULD OR CONSIDER BECAUSE THEN, WELL, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER NOT CROSSING THE STREET THERE BUT I'M NOT TELLING YOU. RIGHT? AND I UNDERSTAND THE PREDICAMENT WE'RE IN BUT WE'RE NOT WE CAN'T REDESIGN THE BUILDING. I KNOW AND YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION NOW THAT ONE MOTION HAS FAILED IF YOU WANT TO ATTEMPT A MOTION. I THINK STAFF WANTS TO AGAIN, OFFER SOME MORE INFORMATION I'M SEEING MR. PLATT OVER THERE. CHAIR, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE MORE INFORMATION FROM AT THIS POINT? GOOD EVENING JACOB PLATT PROJECT MANAGER. I'M THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE CHAIR FOR CITY STAFF. JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SPEAK ON THE MASSING PIECE OF IT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHERE EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED ON THE SCALE. THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT IT JUST GOT TO CHANGE OUR WATERFRONT AND IT'S A BIG BUILDING. THERE'S NO DENYING THAT BUT THE SCALE IS DEFINED BY THE VIEW CORRIDORS WHICH ESTABLISH THE SETBACKS. YOUR FLOOR AREA RATIO AND YOUR BUILDING HEIGHT THAT DEFINES YOUR SCALE THAT'S YOUR BOX. SO, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE SCALE WHAT'S PROPOSED IS WITHIN THE SCALE OF WHAT'S ALLOWED BY THE CODE, I JUST WANT TO OFFER THAT AS EVIDENCE TO THE SCALE CONVERSATION, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE WHAT APPEARS TO BE A PRECEDENT BUT EACH OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE CONFINED TO THE SCALE THAT THE ZONING CODE PROVIDES. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. THANK YOU. WHAT ABOUT A CONDITION [02:00:01] OF BREAKING UP THE SCREENING TO ALLOW FOR MORE VISUAL CORRIDORS THERE BUT THAT'S DESIGNING AGAIN COULD WE TAKE THIS TO A MOTION AND VOTE OUR CONSCIENCE YES OR NO. YES. SO MAYBE IT JUST NEEDS TO MAKE IT GET TO THE OTHER NINE CASES. IT IS APPROVED CONCEPTUALLY WITH YOUR LANGUAGE AND THEN THEY DO COME BACK WITH THE SAME THING. WE CAN STILL DENY THAT COULDN'T WE, I'M THE HYPOTHETICALS ARE JUST ON THE RECORD. LET'S JUST NOT GO THERE. I MEAN, I'D HAVE TO KNOW THE BASIS FOR THE DENIAL AND WHAT I MEAN, YOU KNOW I MEAN YES IT STILL HAS TO COME BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL. AND YES, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY. SO ON SOME HYPOTHETICAL LEVEL THERE IS A WORLD WHERE IT COULD BE DENIED AT FINAL, I MEAN IT IS REQUIRED TO COME BACK FOR ANOTHER QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING, YOU KNOW AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE FINDINGS OF FACT AND ARRIVE, YOU KNOW, EVIDENCE SOME COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE DENIAL. BUT YES, WHEN SOMETHING COMES BEFORE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPROVE OR DENY IF YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR MOTION. TAMMY, WOULD UP A CONDITION OF REDUCTION WITHIN FIVE PERCENT WITH THAT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT EQUATES IN ARCHITECTURAL WORK. IF THERE'S A REDUCTION IN MASSING AND HEIGHT BY FIVE PERCENT PERCENTAGE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO HIT A NUMBER OF CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF SOMETHING ELSE. I HANDED OVER MY GAMBLE. WELL, I MEAN, I LIKE DYLAN'S EXCEPT FOR THE WORD CONSIDER. I THINK THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO. IT MEAN JUST AS JACOB SAID, I MEAN THE MASSING AND THE SKILL THAT IS BUILDING, I WILL SECOND. WELL, LET'S JUST HAVE A NEW MOTION. JUST, OKAY, LET'S DO A MOTION INSTEAD OF SECONDING ONE THAT'S FAILED. ALL RIGHT. I MOVE TO APPROVE HTC CASE 2026-0021 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE SCALE AND MASSING OF THE BUILDING IS CONSIDERED TO BE REDUCED IN ITS FINAL DESIGN AND THE ORNAMENTAL STRUCTURE SPECIFICALLY. AND I MOVE THAT THE HTC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD THAT HTC CASE 2026-0021 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA DESIGN GUIDELINES AND DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. I SECOND IT. MOTION DYLAN, SECOND BOB. YOU'RE CALLING THE QUESTION OR DID YOU NEED TO DISCUSS? YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DISCUSS. NO. YOU'RE READY TO CALL. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE BEEN HERE OKAY . MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER. NO. MEMBER BYRNES. NO. MEMBER SALA. YES. MEMBER PSULKOWSKI. YES. MEMBER RILEY. YES. AND MEMBER KOSACK. NO. SO IT FAILS. WELL, I MEAN, WHERE YOU'RE AT THEN IS, I MEAN, YOU STILL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT. YOU JUST... WELL, YEAH, IT'S A FAIL. YOU'RE RIGHT. I'M SORRY. AT THIS POINT, WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. AT THIS POINT, WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT. ALRIGHT, NEW BUSINESS. THANK YOU ALL FOR STAYING WITH US THROUGH THAT. [5.1 HDC 2026-0031 - SKIPPER CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, AGENT FOR JONATHAN PAUL & JUDITH SARA TORTORA, 811 WHITE STREET] ALRIGHT, OUR FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS TONIGHT IS HTC 2026-0031. THIS IS A CASE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN OLD TOWN AT 811 WHITE STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FINAL COA FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO-STORY, SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE ON THE CORNER OF AMELIA STREET AND WHITE STREET. THIS CASE CAME TO YOU A SIMILAR CASE CAME TO YOU EARLIER THIS YEAR ONCE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, WHICH IT GAINED, AND THEN ONCE FOR FINAL APPROVAL, [02:05:01] WHICH IT WAS DENIED. SINCE THE CASE RECEIVED FINAL DENIAL, THE APPLICANT HAD TO MAKE A NEW APPLICATION FOR A NEW BUILDING AND PAY THE APPLICATION FEE AND MAKE THE WHOLE APPLICATION AGAIN. SINCE RECEIVING DENIAL AT THE JUNE MEETING, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANTS REVISED THE DESIGN TO DEFINE THAT 10-FOOT MID-LOT VIEW CORRIDOR THROUGH ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS. WE CAN SEE THAT DESIGN AND THAT DEFINITION OF THE MID-LOT VIEW CORRIDOR HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SCREEN. THERE IT IS, DEFINED WITH THE FRENCH DOOR, THE TWO WINDOWS, AND A CHANGE IN ROOFLINE. STAFF INTERPRETS THIS TO BE AN ADEQUATE DEFINITION OF THE MID-LOT VISIBILITY CORRIDOR, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT MIRRORED HERE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STRUCTURE. THIS IS THE PROPOSED FRONT AND BACK ELEVATIONS, ARE SOUTH AND NORTH ELEVATIONS. THIS DID NOT DIFFER GREATLY FROM WHAT WAS PROPOSED AT THE START OF THIS PROCESS, AND STAFF ALSO FINDS THIS ASPECT OF THE PLAN COMPLIANT WITH THE OLD TOWN GUIDELINES, DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. HERE IS A SCREENSHOT OF THE SITE PLAN. I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT MID-LOT VISIBILITY CORRIDOR IS AGAIN DEFINED THROUGH THE STEP-IN OF THE BUILDING ON EACH SIDE AND THE HALLWAY THROUGH THE TWO PRIMARY MASSINGS OF THE HOUSE, WITH THE GARAGE TO THE REAR AND ENTRANCE OFF AMELIA STREET. ALL SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ARE MET IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE OLD TOWN DESIGN PRESERVATION DESIGN GUIDELINES, INCLUDING THE FIVE-FOOT VISIBILITY CORRIDORS ON THE SIDE, THE REAR, AND THE FRONT, AS WELL AS THAT MID-LOT VISIBILITY CORRIDOR DEFINITION THROUGH ARCHITECTURAL MEANS. I DID WANT TO POINT OUT TWO QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE FROM THE BOARD AHEAD OF TIME, THROUGH KIND OF VISUAL REFERENCE. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WERE ABOUT THE ATTACHED GARAGE THAT IS PART OF THIS PLAN. THE OLD TOWN GUIDELINES, AND THEN WE'RE GETTING BACK TO KIND OF THE GRAY LANGUAGE THERE, SAY GARAGES SHOULD NOT BE BUILT INTO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. BUT IN THIS CASE, SHOULD DOES NOT EQUAL MUST OR SHALL, AND IN STAFF'S OPINION, THAT THIS DESIGN MEETS ALL THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE OLD TOWN GUIDELINES, AND THIS IS NOT AN EXPLICIT REQUIREMENT, NOR IS IT AN OUTBUILDING. AND THEN ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP AFTER DISCUSSING WITH THE PLANNING MANAGER WAS A POTENTIAL QUESTION OF THE ROOM OR STUDIO THAT IS ABOVE THE GARAGE. AND DUE TO THAT ONLY ACCESS BEING LOCATED ON THE OUTSIDE, STAFF REQUESTS A CONDITION GOES ON THE APPROVAL THAT A DOORWAY OR CONNECTION IS ADDED BETWEEN THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE STUDIO ON THE INTERIOR TO ENSURE THAT IT DOESN'T FUNCTION AS A DUPLEX OR A SEPARATE APARTMENT. BUT GIVEN ALL OF THAT RESEARCH AND ANALYZING, STAFF RECOMMENDS FINAL APPROVAL OF HTC 2026-0031, WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT MAKES A CONNECTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO SPACES. AND THEN, SINCE THAT WOULD NOT AFFECT THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE, IT DOESN'T NEED TO COME BACK TO HTC FOR APPROVAL. I'M ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MIA? MIA, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER EXAMPLES UP IN THE ATTACHED GARAGE IN OLD TOWN? THERE ARE A COUPLE EXAMPLES UP THERE BUT THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED BEFORE THE GUIDELINES WERE ADOPTED. GARDEN, I THINK THERE'S ONE ON GARDEN STREET AND THEN THE BIG ONE THAT BILL DID, BILL REALLY DID FOR HIS DAUGHTER. I'VE BEEN THERE A WHILE. I'M NOT SEEING ANY QUESTIONS. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. GOOD EVENING, DONALD SKIPPER, 855 CASHING DRIVE, FERNANDINA BEACH. COULD YOU GIVE US A OVERVIEW? WELL WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD PRETTY MUCH AND WE TOOK THE PLAN THAT THE BOSWORTH'S DONE THAT Y'ALL KIND OF LIKE AND YOU SEE WE'VE DONE THE VISIBILITY CORRIDOR KIND OF OFF OF THEIR DESIGN TO STAY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE CORNER LOT THERE AND OUR CUSTOMERS WENT THROUGH A GREAT DEAL OF LENGTH OF REDESIGNING THE WHOLE PLAN FROM THE FIRST PLAN WHEN WE DID GET PRE-APPROVAL IN OUR FIRST MEETING AND THEN GOT KNOCKED DOWN IN OUR FINAL MEETING. SO THIS IS OUR THIRD SWING AT IT. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. I DO HAVE TO SAY I WAS A BIT CONCERNED WHEN I HAD SPOKEN TO CITY STAFF ABOUT YOU KNOW THE 10-FOOT YOU HEAR 10-FOOT VIEW CORRIDOR YOU'RE THINKING I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH SOMETHING, RIGHT? BUT SEEING THE SITE PLAN AND HAVING YOU KNOW THOSE JOG INS AND THAT SECOND FLOOR SPACE TRULY BEING A BREEZEWAY HALLWAY CONNECTION. I THINK HOW THE CODE IS LAID OUT FOR THE OLD TOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES. I THINK THAT THAT [02:10:01] CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, IS ESTABLISHING THAT THAT CONNECTION AND ESPECIALLY FROM THE SITE PLAN YOU CAN SEE IT. SO I DO APPRECIATE AND GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD I KNOW THAT'S NO SMALL FEAT WHAT Y'ALL DID TO THIS PLAN SO I DO APPRECIATE IT AND I THINK THIS LOOKS VERY VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR? I DO HAVE ONE. DONALD AGAIN IT'S AMAZING WHAT YOU DID FROM WHAT YOU WALKED AWAY WITH SO I COMMEND YOU WITH THAT THAT JUST IT'S GREAT. I JUST WANT A CLARIFICATION BECAUSE AGAIN, AN ACCESSORY DWELLING A GARAGE CAN'T BE MORE THAN 25 SO IS THE ROOF ABOVE THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE GARAGE IT DOESN'T HAVE A CALL OUT FOR THAT LINE BUT I SEE THE 27 SO I ASSUMING THAT'S A COUPLE FEET LOWER. I WAS ABLE TO MEASURE THAT IN JUST MY COMPUTER SOFTWARE AND FROM GRADE TO THE PEAK OF THE GARAGE STRUCTURE IS ONLY 25 FEET. OKAY THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION BECAUSE I SEE THAT IN A REFERENDUM 2018-40 SIGNED IN 2019 THEY SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT AN ATTACHED GARAGE CANNOT BE GO ABOVE 25. YES SIR. COOL. YEAH. ONE QUESTION AND ONE COMMENT. SO THANK YOU. THE DESIGN IS IT'S WONDERFUL IT'S REALLY GOOD AND REALLY THOUGHTFUL AND I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW YOU TOOK CARE OF THE MID LOT THE CORRIDOR. THE IF I'M READING THE PLANS CORRECTLY THE SECOND AT THE MID LOT CORRIDOR THE SECOND FLOOR IS JUST SLIGHTLY WIDER AND THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOF OVER THAT. YES MA'AM IN THE FRONT THERE. YEAH YEAH SO JUST THE SECOND FLOOR JUST PROJECTS OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THEN I GUESS YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A OVERHANG THERE. WELL YOU HAVE A COVERED PORCH PRETTY MUCH. GOT IT OKAY. YES MA'AM. ALL RIGHT GREAT THANK YOU VERY THE DESIGN IS VERY GOOD THANK YOU. AND IT IS UNIQUE. IT IS UNIQUE I THINK. YOU BUILD IT TO THE SITE AND YOU BUILD TO THE REQUIREMENTS AND IT LOOKS REALLY GREAT AND IT'S A HOME THAT THEY'LL BE PROUD OF. YES MA'AM. IT'S REALLY GOOD LOOKING. DO YOU HAVE A CALL OUT FOR THE GARAGE WHAT YOU'RE USING THERE? THE GARAGE DOOR I'M SORRY. WE HAVEN'T PICKED THE GARAGE DOOR YET IT IS AN INSULATED GARAGE DOOR. IS IT FINAL OR CONCEPTUAL? FINAL. CONSIDERATION OF WOOD VERSUS STEEL. SHE SAID YEAH WE PICKED. MS. TORRE IS HERE. WHICH THE WOOD CLAD OF COURSE IS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE AND THAT DOOR COULD BE IN THAT WOOD CLAD TWELVE FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS. MY QUESTION IS BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A BEAUTIFUL HOME AND THAT'S BASICALLY PRESENTING AS A FRONT LOADING GARAGE RIGHT THERE YOU KNOW IT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT FEATURE. YES MA'AM. WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A NICE DOOR THERE. DEFINITELY AND IT HASN'T BEEN CHOSEN YET BUT WE CAN WE CAN SPEAK OF IT NOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE THE WOOD CLAD DOOR AS OPPOSED TO A. JUST CONSIDER IT. THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE BUT YES. I CAN GET YOU ONE FOR EIGHT. AM I ALLOWED TO ASK A QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY JUST STEP UP AND ADDRESS YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. I'M JULIE TORRE 811 WHITE STREET. YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO ADD AN INTERNAL DOOR. YES. BUT WHY? BECAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE MY HUSBAND'S OFFICE SO OR A WORKOUT ROOM I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE YET. RIGHT IF IT'S TWO SEPARATE DWELLING UNITS IF THERE'S TWO SEPARATE ENTRANCES IT COULD BE CONSIDERED A DUPLEX OR MULTIFAMILY PER AFFORD A BUILDING CODE BECAUSE THERE NEEDS TO BE AN AVAILABLE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO SPACES SURE OH SO IT'S IN THE MASTER BEDROOM. SORRY. THE CAVE ENTRY. IT IS ONE ROOF. SO EVEN THOUGH MIA OR MARGARET, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S UNDER ONE ROOF THAT'S STILL CONSIDERED ACCESSORY ACCORDING TO THE 2019. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME TO MY ATTENTION KIND OF LATE [02:15:01] IN THE GAME. I WAS VERY FOCUSED ON THE MIDLOCK VISIBILITY CORRIDOR DEFINITION AND THIS IS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY THE PLANNING MANAGER AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HOLD UP HGC APPROVAL. IT WILL JUST NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AT TIME OF PERMITTING. THE SORT OF BUILDING CODE AND OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD NOT PERMIT TWO DIFFERENT DWELLING UNITS ON THAT LOT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS HERE AND WE CAN'T EVEN REALLY ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PURVIEW OVER INTERIOR. SO WE SHOULDN'T EVEN MAKE THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. I JUST WANTED TO STATE IT IN THIS FORUM TO GET IT OUT AND OPEN RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE IT WILL BE CAUGHT A VILLAIN. YEAH, REVIEW. WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT JOSE? I JUST GOT A QUESTION ARE ADUS NOT PERMITTED IN OLD TOWN? THEY ARE PERMITTED. ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ARE ALLOWED TO BE PHYSICALLY CONNECTED TO THE MAIN HOUSE SO YOUR OWN ADU ORDINANCE IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE ENTRANCES IF YOU'VE GOT AN IF THAT ROOM IS CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT THERE'S THAT'S A WORKAROUND. SO THE GUIDANCE THAT WAS SIGNED IN 2019 SEPARATED THE ADU DOWNTOWN RULES FROM OLD TOWN AND OLD TOWN IN FACT. OKAY THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CONFIRM YES BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS ADUS APPLIED ACROSS THE YEAH NO I'M JAYING THROUGH THAT AND THERE'S A THERE WAS A SEPARATION AND IT SAID THESE DO NOT THESE ORDINANCES HAVE NO EFFECT ON THE EXISTING OLD TOWN REGULATIONS. OKAY I'M BACK I'LL GO SIT DOWN AGAIN. I WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME THAT NAUSEAM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT RULE SET WHERE I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH THAT. I'M GOING TO ASK THAT APPLICANTS IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS NO IF WE DO NEED THE DOOR WE'LL GO TO THE DRAWING BOARD WITH THAT AND INCORPORATE A DOOR TO AND TO DO IT IN OUR FINAL DESIGN WITH THE CITY FOR SURE YEAH THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US. THANK YOU BOTH. I'M GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING A HAND IN THE BACK? WOULD YOU PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM SIR? STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. HI I'M MITCH HUGHES AND MY ADDRESS IS 818 SAN FERNANDO STREET RIGHT BEHIND THIS PROPERTY AND BY THE WAY I'M ANXIOUS TO HAVE THEM AS NEIGHBORS ARE WONDERFUL PEOPLE. I'D LIKE TO GET IT APPROVED. I DO HAVE A QUESTION IF ADDING AN EXTERIOR ENTRANCE TO AN UPPER FLOOR OF A SPACE CREATES HOW WOULD YOU ENTER A SPACE IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN EXTERIOR ENTRANCE? DOESN'T THE CODE SAY AND YOU'LL HAVE TO EXCUSE ME I'VE BEEN AN ENGINEER FOR 40 YEARS I SAT BEHIND THE BUILDING CODE DESK FOR 18 OF THOSE SO I GO TO INTERPRETATION AND I KIND OF KNOW HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A KITCHEN IF IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ELEMENTS TO BE A LIVING SPACE CAN IT EVEN BE DEFINED AS A LIVING SPACE? AS A DWELLING UNIT. IF IT DOESN'T HAVE THOSE THINGS BECAUSE THE CODE SAYS THE REASON YOU CAN'T PUT THOSE THINGS IN IS BECAUSE IT COULD BE CONSIDERED A DWELLING SPACE NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT SAYS IF YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE ANYWHERE IN IT IT BECOMES A DWELLING SPACE. SO I'M ASKING THAT ALSO BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IN TIME I WILL PROBABLY BUILD A CARRIAGE HOUSE AND I WANT STORAGE ABOVE IT. I NEED ACCESS TO IT BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY PUT IN 500 SQUARE FEET YOU CAN'T FIT A STAIR INSIDE THE GARAGE SO YOU HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE EXTERIOR. I THINK THAT YOU WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT AN EXTERIOR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INTERIOR DOOR. THAT'S CORRECT AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT BUILDING CODE QUESTION. THERE'S AN ENTRANCE THROUGH THE PORCH AND THEN AN ENTRANCE OUTSIDE UP THE BACK BUT AGAIN I THINK IT'S OUTSIDE OUR PURVIEW TO FIGURE THAT OUT. IT'S JUST A QUESTION FOR MY OWN CLARIFICATION. AS MIA SAID WE WERE JUST KIND OF CALLING THAT OUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP IN QUESTION. YEAH IT'S JUST FOR MY OWN CLARIFICATION AS WELL. SO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY COME AND ASK ME QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY KNOW I'M AN ENGINEER AND I SAT THERE AND SO I'M GOING TO GET ASKED THIS RIGHT AFTER THIS. SO THIS IS A VERY SELFISH QUESTION AND I APPRECIATE YOU EVEN LISTENING TO IT AND LIKE I SAID I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THIS NEIGHBORS AND IT IS A LOVELY DESIGN. SO THANK [02:20:01] YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC? YES SIR IF YOU'LL COME TO THE PODIUM SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. TIM GRAY 1119 SOMERUELUS STREET. THIS IS TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION. I GOT STORAGE ABOVE MY GARAGE. I JUST GOT TO PULL DOWN. IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT THAT I'M NOT SEEING? I'M SEEING NO HANDS. NO ONE'S APPROACHING THE PODIUM. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. MOVE TO BOARD DISCUSSION. I THINK THE INTERIOR DOOR PROBLEM IS OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW. I'M GOING TO HAPPILY KICK THAT TO THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT. SORRY. I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD I HAVE INTERIOR STORAGE IN MY ATTIC AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE IT PULLED ON. I HAVE TO PUT UP A LADDER. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HGC 20260031 WITHOUT CONDITIONS. I MOVE THAT THE HGC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD. HGC CASE 20260031 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS THE OLD TOWN DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVATION GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. CAN WE CALL THEM ALL? MEMBER KOSACK? YES. MEMBER RILEY? YES. MEMBER SALA? YES. MEMBER BYRNES? YES. MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? YES. AND VICE CHAIRMAN PSULKOWSKI? YES. [5.2 HDC2026-0026 - MIRANDA ARCHITECTS, AGENT FOR GALAXY 500 LLC, 22 S. 8TH STREET] ALL RIGHT. CONGRATULATIONS. MOVING SPEEDILY TO 2026-0026, MA'AM. YES. THIS CASE IS THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A FINAL COA TO RENOVATE THE EXISTING PARKING LOT TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW, REDUCE CURB CUTS, REDUCE PAVING AROUND THE HERITAGE OAK, INSTALL A NEW METAL FENCE ON THE SOUTH PERIMETER, ADD PAVERS TO THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA, CHANGE FA ADE TO A COVERED CANOPY, PAINT THE BUILDING AND CONSTRUCT A NEW DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE. TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE ALL OF THAT, THEY'RE DOING A REFRESH OF WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE GRAND OAK PLAZA ON THE CORNER OF SOUTH 8TH STREET AND ASH STREET. THIS IS KIND OF A CORNERSTONE SHOPPING CENTER OF OUR DOWNTOWN. IT WAS BUILT KIND OF MID-CENTURY. AND I'LL JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH HERE IS THE REVISED SITE PLAN. CURRENTLY, THE SITE FEATURES FIVE CURB CUTS ON ALL SIDES. AND THE DESIGN IS AN AIM TO STREAMLINE AND CONTROL THAT TRAFFIC FLOW. THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN TO TRC FIRST STEPS. THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT, UTILITIES, FIRE, AND ALL OF THAT. AND HE'S GOTTEN HIS NEXT STEPS FROM THERE. A MAIN TAKEAWAY FROM THE PROJECT IS REMOVING SOME OF THAT PAVEMENT ALONG THE HERITAGE OAK TREE TO ALLOW THE ROOTS TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND AND INCREASE THE LONGEVITY OF THAT OAK, SOMETHING THAT OUR ARBORIST IS VERY HAPPY ABOUT. PART OF THE SITE PLAN ALSO INCLUDES FORMALIZING SOME OF THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA FOR THE TENANTS IN THAT BUILDING. THE EXISTING ELEVATION IS ON THE TOP HERE. AND YOU CAN SEE IT HAS SOME OF THOSE DECORATIVE AWNINGS AND PIECES OF METAL ON THE TOP. AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM IS THE RENDERING OF THE PROPOSED ELEVATION. SOME OF THOSE EXTRA ORNAMENTAL FEATURES ARE TAKEN OFF. AND THE AWNING IS STREAMLINED ACROSS THE WHOLE FRONT FA ADE TO KIND OF EVOKE THAT MID-CENTURY MODERN FEEL OF THE STRUCTURE. HERE ARE THE DRAWINGS, THE EXISTING ELEVATION ON THE TOP AND THE PROPOSED ELEVATION ON THE BOTTOM AS WELL. AND STAFF FINDS THIS COMPLIANT WITH THE HTC DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS WELL AS THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND WELCOMES ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MIA? I'M SEEING NONE. WOULD THE APPLICANT KINDLY COME FORWARD? HOPEFULLY YOUR FIRST DRAW-A-FREE CASE OF THE NIGHT AS A MIRANDA ARCHITECT'S THREE-AND-A-HALF CENTER STREET. DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH. YEAH, WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE MID-CENTURY MODERN ROOTS OF THIS BUILDING. IT USED TO BE A WINN-DIXIE AND THEN A FRED'S AND NOW IT IS WHAT IT IS. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WITH NEW OWNERSHIP WE'RE GOING TO REFRESH IT AND GIVE THAT GRAND OAK SOME MORE LIFE. BECAUSE THAT PARKING LOT HAS BEEN A NIGHTMARE FOR A LONG TIME. SO WE'RE LIMITING, OBVIOUSLY, ACCESS, CLEARLY DEFINING IT, CREATING A LANDSCAPING BUFFER AROUND AND TRYING TO CAPTURE SOME OF THAT STORMWATER THAT KIND OF SHEET FLOWS OFF THAT PARKING LOT INTO THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THAT SOUTH SIDE. SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING YOUR QUESTIONS. YOU PRESENTED THIS TO US A COUPLE YEARS AGO WITH UNITS. DIDN'T YOU DO THE PRESENTATION WITH CONDO UNITS? [02:25:01] NO, WE HAD DONE THE DESIGN CONCEPT FOR THIS ENTIRE SITE AT ONE TIME, BUT IT NEVER CAME TO YOUR NOTICE. AND THEN AT SOME RECENT ITERATION OF IMPROVEMENTS, THERE WAS ON THE NORTH SIDE ROOF, THEY HAD THEIR MECHANICALS AND THEY PUT ON LIKE AN AD HOC SCREENING ELEMENT. IS THAT STILL THERE? IT IS STILL THERE. WE WERE NOT GOING TO TOUCH THAT. I KNOW THAT VERONICA AND I SPOKE ABOUT, WELL, HEY, ONCE THOSE, WHAT I CALL THE WESTERN SALOON STOREFRONT COMES OFF, WHETHER THOSE UNITS WOULD BE VISIBLE. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE UNITS ARE TO SEE WHETHER THEY'LL BE IMPACTED BECAUSE WE'RE NOT RAISING THE PARAPET AT ALL. SO WE'LL HAVE TO REVISIT IF WE NEED ANY ADDITIONAL SCREENING ELEMENTS FOR THAT, FOR THOSE UNITS NOW THAT WE REMOVE THAT. BUT I DON'T LIKE THAT OLD WEST LOOK. ARE YOU GAINING PARKING SPACES, I IMAGINE? NO, WE'RE REDUCING. YEAH, RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S A FREE FOR ALL. IT'S ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 50 SPACES AND WE'RE NOW DOWN TO A LITTLE OVER 40. BUT NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE DESIGNATED ADA SPACES AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO MEET REQUIREMENTS FOR SPACE SIZES AND THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND CURVING AND ALL THAT. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT ACTUALLY FUNCTIONING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I SEE THE STUCCO BAND ALONG THE BOTTOM. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO STUCCO. WE STUDIED THAT OPTION. WE DIDN'T WANT TO PULL THAT THREAD BECAUSE REALLY TRYING TO STUCCO THIS BUILDING REALLY WOULD REQUIRE REPLACING ALL THE WINDOWS AND DOORS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY WERE INSTALLED. SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE JUST A PAINT SCHEME. SO YOU'RE PAINTING THE BRICK BELOW AND ABOVE? YES. OKAY, WELL THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO PRESS YOU ON. BECAUSE IT'S A HODGEPODGE. AS YOU KNOW THAT BUILDING, IT'S CONCRETE BLOCK, STRUCTURAL BRICK, AND EVERY MATERIAL IN BETWEEN. LOVE THE BRICK. LOVE THE BRICK. THAT'S GREAT. OH, AND I LOVE WHAT YOU WERE DOING WITH HERITAGE TREE. IT'S GOT SO MUCH MORE ROOM TO BREATHE NOW. IT'S NOT POPPING UP THE ASPHALT. DAVE'S JUST GOING TO BE IN LOVE WITH THAT TOO. CITY ARMORS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU BECAUSE I STARE AT THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT IMPROVEMENT. SO I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING CARE OF THIS PROJECT. THE FENCING THAT'S PROPOSED, IS IT ON THE SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST? ONLY THE SOUTH SIDE. ONLY THE SOUTH SIDE. IT'LL BE RUNNING BASICALLY FROM EIGHTH TO NINTH. AND THEN SO THE EAST AND WEST SIDES ARE OPEN. IT'LL BE FOUR FEET TALL. IT'LL PROBABLY BE AN OPEN METAL FENCE WITH LANDSCAPING UP AGAINST IT SLOWLY. SO, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE AND SCREEN AND ALL THAT. FENCE ENCLOSURE. WHICH IS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S DEFINITELY AN EYESORE NOW. I AM SLIGHTLY CONCERNED ABOUT, I DON'T LOVE THE HALF CIRCLE THINGS OVER THERE NOW. BUT I DO THINK, BECAUSE I KNOW FROM ACROSS THE STREET, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S MACAQUE UNITS UP THERE. BUT I THINK THEY'RE FAR ENOUGH AWAY ON THE ROOF. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE I THINK THEY SORT OF SIT IN THE MIDDLE. BUT I KNOW THAT I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS PREVIOUSLY WITH THE CITY ABOUT, I'M JUMPING TO THE SOUTH SIDE NOW WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING THE LAND STEEPING AND THE SWELL. I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ABOUT POTENTIALLY PUTTING A SIDEWALK THERE TO CONNECT THE EIGHTH STREET AND NINTH STREET SIDEWALKS RIGHT NORTH AND SOUTH. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A SIDEWALK ACROSS THE STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ASH STREET AND THEN IT JUST SORT OF DEAD ENDS HERE AND THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE START TYING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT OR WALKING THE STREET. AND SO I WOULD JUST, BEFORE YOU DO A FINAL DESIGN, MAYBE PERHAPS JUST FIGURE OUT IF THE CITY IS GOING TO CONSIDER PUTTING A SIDEWALK THERE. WE'VE GOT THAT COMMENT ON TRC. IT WAS A REQUEST, NOT A REQUIREMENT. WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO OUR CLIENT ABOUT WHETHER HE WANTS TO MAKE THAT COMMITMENT FINANCIALLY TO PUTTING THAT SIDEWALK IN. BUT WE HAVEN'T COMMITTED YET UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE PRICING IS FOR THE PROJECT. WE'LL TAKE IT UNDER ADVISEMENT. GREAT. THANK YOU. IS THE COLOR A SET IN STONE? NO, THAT IS KIND OF OUR FIRST CONCEPT. WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU IF WE CHANGE. THAT WAS JUST AN INSPIRATION PICTURE, THAT KIND OF A TEAL OR TURQUOISE AND BEIGE COLOR SCHEME. I THINK IT'S GOING TO TWEAK A LITTLE BIT AS WE GET FURTHER INTO DESIGN. GOOD. YOU DON'T LIKE THE TURQUOISE? IT'S A LITTLE TOO MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. OH, NICE. ANY TESTS HERE? WELL, WE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GO. WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO BLACK AND BEIGE, WHICH IS KIND OF THE SOUP DE JURE. YOU'LL GET IT. THERE'S ALSO, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IN THIS PICTURE, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN, THERE'S A CRACK IN THE CORNER. [02:30:01] OH YES, WE ARE FULLY AWARE OF THAT. WE'VE HAD THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER DO AN ASSESSMENT. IT'S AN OLD CRACK. IT'S NOT CONTINUED. SO YEAH, WE'RE FIXING THE HEADS UP. WELL, WE'VE SEEN THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JOSE? ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? NOT SEEING ANY. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT BOARD DISCUSSION. I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. I'M READY FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO MAKE A MOTION ACTUALLY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE 2026-0026 WITHOUT CONDITIONS. AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD, THAT HDC CASE 2026-0026, AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. I HAVE A VERSE IN A SECOND. KENNA, WILL YOU CALL ROLL? MEMBER KOSACK? YES. MEMBER RILEY? YES. MEMBER SALA? YES. MEMBER BYRNES ? [5.3 HDC2026-0027 - BRIAN HEALY, AGENT FOR BHA LLC, 515 BROOME STREET] YES. MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? YES. AND VICE CHAIR PSULKOWSKI? YES. I'M GOING TO ONCE AGAIN PASS IT OVER TO MS. TORMEY TO INTRODUCE THIS CASE. BEAUTIFUL. I'LL LET HER GET A LITTLE HALFTIME BREAK. SO OUR SECOND CASE IN OUR NEW BUSINESS IS AN APPLICATION FOR FINAL APPROVAL FOR COMPREHENSIVE RESTORATION OF A ONE-STORY HOME LOCATED AT 515 BRIM STREET. THE OVERALL SCOPE OF WORK, AS A PART OF IT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR A NEW STUDIO-LIKE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND OUTDOOR SHOWER. THE PROPOSED RESTORATION INCLUDES REPAIRING THE EXISTING WINDOWS, WOOD SIDING, AND MASONRY USING IN-KIND MATERIAL. THE IN-KIND MATERIAL PERMIT HAS BEEN RECENTLY ISSUED FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF AN APPROXIMATELY 30-YEAR-OLD SHINGLE ROOF SYSTEM, WHICH ARE ALSO BEING REPLACED IN-KIND. THERE ARE SEVERAL INTERIOR CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TO HAPPEN, AND THAT WILL NOT BE OBVIOUSLY REVIEWED AS A PART OF THIS, BUT I WANTED TO MENTION IT BECAUSE I'M PERSONALLY REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. IT IS CIRCA 1939, ALTHOUGH I'VE ALSO SEEN SOME DETAILS THAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 1927, FRAME VERNACULAR BUNGALOW STYLE. OH, SORRY. NO, NO, NO. THAT'S MY FAULT. I'LL EXTEND YOUR TIME. THIS CHANGING TIME, GREG, IS JUST NOT WORKING VERY WELL. GOT IT. IT'S HISTORICALLY FUNCTIONED AS A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE AND HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE BOARD IN PREVIOUS YEARS FOR RESTORATION AND REPAIR WORK. THESE ARE PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, AND THEY ARE QUITE IN DISREPAIR, AND MY INTERPRETATION THAT THE PROPOSED REHAB IS CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE. IT EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT DETERIORATION OVER TIME, AND A HISTORIC RESOURCES ASSESSMENT WAS CONDUCTED ON THE PROPERTY IN 2017, WHERE PREVIOUS CITY STAFF IDENTIFIED CONCERNS REGARDING THE EXTENT OF DETERIORATION FOR THE POTENTIAL OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT. THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE EFFORTS TO STABILIZE THE STRUCTURE, AND THIS ONE SEEMS AS IF IT'S GOING TO BE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE EFFORT. MORE PHOTOS OF IT. THE SITE PLAN SHOWS A PROPOSED EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. MOST OF THE SITE DESIGN COMPLIES WITH CHAPTER 4 DESIGN STANDARDS. HOWEVER, STAFF IDENTIFIED A CONCERN WITH THE REAR PORTION OF THE ADDITION AND ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE REAR YARD SETBACK, WHICH I ILLUSTRATED HERE AND MEASURED OUT. IT WAS INITIALLY UNCLEAR WHETHER THE AREA SHOWN WOULD FUNCTION AS A CONDITION SPACE OR WHETHER IT WOULD COMPLY, BUT HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT, HE INDICATED THAT THIS SPACE WAS GOING TO BE PROPOSED TO BE UNCONDITIONED. IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A UTILITY WASH AREA, AND HE SAID THAT IT COULD BE PROPOSED WITH A PRIVACY SCREEN AS AN UNCONDITIONED SPACE RATHER THAN THE LATTER CONDITION. BASED ON HIS CLARIFICATION, IT WILL REMAIN UNCONDITIONED. THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS FROM THE SOUTH, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY THE FRONT FACADE, AND FROM THE REAR. YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS ENCLOSED PORCH AREA, WEST AND EAST, AND THIS IS THAT STUDIO ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, IT'S 11 FEET HIGH, AND THEN THE OUTDOOR SHOWER RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT. THIS IS A BETTER VISUAL. SO YEAH, BASED ON THE PLANS AND [02:35:01] INFORMATION PROVIDED, STAFF FINDS THAT THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND I RECOMMEND FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS. WE ANSWERED MY FIRST QUESTION ABOUT THAT CONDITION SPACE. I KNOW WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THAT, ABOUT WHETHER THAT HAD BEEN CONDITION SPACE OR UNCONDITIONED, SO THAT CLARIFICATION AS A UTILITY CLOSET MAKES A TON OF SENSE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO THE REAR BUILDING IS WITHIN THE THREE FEET OF THE REAR LOT? CORRECT, AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ASK FOR MR. HEALY TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN'T FOCUS. YEAH, IT'S THREE FEET AND THREE INCHES. HI, I'M RYAN HEALY, I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. WILL YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? RYAN HEALY, WELL, 515 BROOM STREET, HOW'S THAT? I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING DOWN HERE, AND THIS IS THE SPOT, AND THE REALLY, I WOULD EMPHASIZE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS RESTORE THE EXISTING BUILDING, RENOVATE THE INSIDE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE, AND THEN I'M AN ARCHITECT, AND SO WE'RE PUTTING A LITTLE STUDIO ON THE BACK FOR REASONS THAT YOU PROBABLY CAN FIGURE OUT. BUT ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ASK. WE'RE TRYING TO CONFORM TO BOTH THE SPIRIT AND THE LETTER OF WHAT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS ASKING, AND THAT'S WHY I EMPHASIZE THE RESTORATION OF THE BUILDING. IT'S A CUTE LITTLE GUY. I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTED TO ADD ON TO IT OR MAKE A MCMANSION OR WHATEVER. I'M PRETTY HAPPY THAT WE PUT ON THE NEW ROOF TODAY, AND FROM THE OUTSIDE IT'S JUST GOING TO GET CLEANED UP. NO ONE'S GOING TO KNOW ANYTHING EXCEPT IT'S BEEN UPGRADED, RESTORED. BUT I'M SORRY, I OVERSPOKE ANY QUESTION THAT WAS BEHIND ME COMING UP HERE. THE WOOD SIDING IS REPAIRED OR REPLACED? ABSOLUTELY GOING TO BE REPAIRED TO MATCH. BOTH THE WOOD, THE SIDING, THE TRIM, THE WINDOWS ARE GOING TO BE, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THEM WORK. BUT THE INTENTION ISN'T TO REPLACE THEM. THE INTENTION IS TO MAKE THEM WORK. SO YOU'LL RESTORE AND REPAIR IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE DONE? YEAH, AND IF IT'S TOO DIFFICULT, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO OPEN THAT WINDOW. THIS ISN'T A FLIP THING. THIS IS MY HOUSE. THANK YOU. THAT'S AN ADORABLE HOUSE. I'M GOING TO MISS THE CHEVRON CURTAINS THAT WERE UP FOR SEVEN YEARS. YOU JUST ADDED THE THIRD ADJECTIVE. EVERYBODY I TALKED TO GOES, I LOVE THAT HOUSE. AND THEN SOMEBODY SAID, THAT'S PERFECT. AND NOW YOU JUST SAID ADORABLE. BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY GO, WHAT A DOG. SO NO, IT'S REALLY SWEET. I CAN'T WAIT. SO I'M HOPING FOR YOUR APPROVAL TO PERCEIVE. WE'VE GOT THE ROOF AND IT NEEDS A LOT OF TLC. BUT THE INTENTION IS TO JUST CLEAN HER UP. THAT'S ALL. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, BRIAN. LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT SIDE WHERE THE EXISTING CHIMNEY IS, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT YOU'LL BE USING THAT CHIMNEY. THE FLUE IS PROBABLY SHOT, BUT THAT'S UP HERE. IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM BROOME STREET, THE CHIMNEY ON THE LEFT IS A WORKABLE FIREPLACE. THE ONE THAT'S BY WHAT I CALL THE DRIVEWAY IS FROM IT. BUT I CAN'T SEE TAKING IT DOWN. WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK IS, ORIGINALLY, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, IT WASN'T A TRUE BISHOPSLEY MASONRY CAP. IT WAS LIKE A ROUND MASONRY CAP. YEAH. WOULD YOU CONSIDER? YEAH, DEFINITELY. THAT WOULD REALLY ADD A NICE LITTLE DEFINING FEATURE TO THE HOUSE. I THINK SO. BUT I'M WORKING WITH JIM PEZZETTA. HE'S THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD AND ADVISING ON THIS. AND CHRIS HOLLINS, THE CONTRACTOR, I MET WITH HIM TODAY. AND WE ACTUALLY THINK THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE THAT CHIMNEY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE BEDROOM IS GOING TO BE. AND MAYBE WE CAN USE THAT. I JUST DON'T SEE TAKING IT DOWN FOR NO REASON. WE WOULDN'T LET YOU ANYWAY, PHIL. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO APPLAUD YOUR CHUTZPAH IN STICKING TO THE LETTER OF THE INTENT WITH THE DISCERNIBLE DIFFERENCE OF THE STUDIO. YOU'RE NOT MAKING LIKE A FAKE LOOKY-LOO, LOOK IT, I'M HISTORIC. YOU REALLY SHOWN SOME DIFFERENTIATION FROM THE MAIN BUILDING. SOME PEOPLE KNOW OBVIOUSLY THAT WASN'T AN ORIGINAL CARRIAGE HOUSE OR WHATEVER. [02:40:01] AND I LOVE THE LITTLE TOUCH OF THE CLAPPER SIDE. THANK YOU. IT'S A LITTLE TOO CUTE FOR ME. BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO MIMIC, SO WE WENT TO A VERTICAL BOARD AND BAT AND A LITTLE NOD TO LOW COUNTRY ARCHITECTURE. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME FUN. SO I THREW A LITTLE BIT IN THERE AND THE BIG WINDOW IN THAT, YES. BUT THAT CHIMNEY RIGHT THERE YOU SEE IS, I'M HOPING IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETELY FUNCTIONAL. AND I DID SEE IN AN EARLIER THAT IT HAD A CORE BELL ROOF. I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE USED TO BE A CHURCH ON THIS, A METHODIST CHURCH ON THIS SITE WITH A 40-FOOT BELL TOWER, WHICH I'M NOT ASKING TO REPLICATE. I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS THERE, I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST SAYING. WE'RE BEING, THIS GOES AGAINST THE GRAIN HERE, BUT VERY RESPECTFUL. I JUST LEAVE HER ALONE AND LET'S CLEAN IT UP. AND I'M HOPING FOR APPROVAL TO LET US GET GOING WITH THAT. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS. AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE AS A FELLOW ARCHITECT. THE DOOR THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE ON THE SIDE, IS THAT GOING TO BE A WOOD DOOR AS WELL? AND I REALIZE THE DOOR IS IN REALLY BAD CONDITION WHEN I BROKE MINE. THEY'RE IN TERRIBLE CONDITION. AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE REPLACED, THEY WILL BE TO MATCH. THE DOOR, THE FRONT DOOR, WE HAVE KIND OF A STRATEGY. THE FRONT DOOR IS GOING TO BE THE PUBLIC FRONT DOOR. THE BACK DOOR IS GOING TO BE THE BACK DOOR. OVER TO THE, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DOOR TO THE RIGHT. IT FACES SOUTH, BUT IT'S THE ONE STEP BACK. YEAH, NO, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A KIND OF A GRASS, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? LIKE A LITTLE TERRACE WITH GRASS AROUND. YOU CAN'T GET THERE FROM THE OUTSIDE. IT'S A PRIVATE SITTING AREA OUTSIDE THE BEDROOM AND THE LIBRARY, THAT LITTLE ROOM. BUT IT WILL BE A WOOD DOOR JUST LIKE IT IS. BUT IT WILL NOT BE, THERE WILL BE SOME GRASS OR SOMETHING. SO YOU WILL KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT THE DOOR TO GO INTO. IT'S KIND OF A PRIVATE TWO SEAT SIT OUT. WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING FOR IN BETWEEN THE BRICK PIERS IN THE CRAWL SPACE BELOW? WELL, WE SUBMITTED A DRAWING. IT'S NOT THE KIND OF CHEAP LATTICE THING THAT YOU'RE USED TO. IT IS REALLY LIKE 1X3S VERTICALLY AND JUST A LITTLE, IT'S LIKE A LITTLE FENCE. AND THAT'S THE DESIGN STRATEGY. THAT'S GOING AROUND VERTICALLY AND THAT'S WHAT TURNED INTO THE STUDIO, THE VERTICAL SIDING OF THE STUDIO. SO IT'S A LITTLE PLAY OF, YOU KNOW, THE SUN DOWN HERE GIVES YOU SOME GOOD SHADOWS. SO WE'RE KIND OF DOING THE VERTICAL AND THE HORIZONTAL. AND JUST ONE LAST QUESTION. THAT LITTLE EYEBROW ABOVE THE FRONT DOOR. I LOVE IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S DOING. BUT IT WILL STAY. IT'S STAYING. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT'S ABOUT. YEAH, I DIDN'T SEE IT. I'M ON THE DRAWING. NO, FAIR ENOUGH. YOU CAN SEE THAT MY COLLEAGUE ON THAT DRAWING, SHE DID NOT PUT IT IN. IT WILL STAY. IT WILL STAY. THANK YOU. AND THE FENCES WILL STAY AND IT'S A VERY, VERY NICE LITTLE SPOT. BUT THE INTENTION IS JUST TO RESTORE IT, LIKE I SAID, AND MOVE IN AND ENJOY IT. AND THE ONLY THING, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE ASKING FOR RELIEF. KENNETH POINTED THAT OUT. AND I THINK THE ADDITION IS REALLY, THERE'S A METAL SHED IN THE BACKYARD RIGHT NOW AND BASICALLY I'M JUST REPLACING IT WITH A NEW WOOD BUILDING. AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND FROM JIM, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR RELIEF ON THAT EITHER. IT'S NOT A HISTORIC METAL SHED. YOU'RE FINE. IN FACT, IT'S FOR SALE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. I'M NOT SEEING ANY HANDS. I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. MOVE FORWARD DISCUSSION. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION TO BE HAD? A BUILDING I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP FOR THE PUBLIC EDIFICATION. THIS IS KIND OF AN INTERESTING SITUATION BECAUSE THE PEOPLE NEXT TO THEM, FACING THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT ON BROOM STREET, THAT'S A FLAG LOT. AND THEIR GARAGE IS THE ONE YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO DOWN 6TH STREET. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LIKE, HE'S GOING TO TAKE THAT BUILDING DOWN? NO, NO, NO. THAT'S NOT EVEN HIS GARAGE. HE'S GOT ANOTHER METAL BUILDING IN THE BACK. THAT GARAGE STAYS. THAT'S THE PETERSON GARAGE. SO THERE'S NO CONCERN ABOUT THAT. I THINK THIS LOOKS AWESOME AND I THINK WE SHOULD SAY LET'S GO. I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THIS IS GOING [02:45:01] TO LOOK LIKE AFTERWARDS. ALL FIXED UP. RIGHT NOW IT NEEDS A LOOK IN THE WINDOW. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HTC 2026-0027 WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS AND I MOVE THAT THE HTC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF THE FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD THAT HTC CASE 2026-0027 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THAT THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN FERNANDINA DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. SECOND. DOES THIS COMPANY SECOND? I'LL SECOND. I'M FIRST AND A SECOND. MEMBER RILEY? YES. MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? YES. MEMBER BYRNES ? [5.4 HDC 2026-0020 - DOUG MCCULLOUGH CONSTRUCTION LLC, AGENT FOR CHARLES AND ELIZABETH RICE TRUST, 30 N. 6TH STREET] YES. MEMBER KOSACK? YES. MEMBER SALA? YES. VICE CHAIR PSULKOWSKI? YES. WE'RE MOVING ON TO CASE 0028. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. OH, EXCUSE ME. 0020. YES. WE'RE GOING A LITTLE BIT BACK IN TIME WITH THIS ONE. THIS IS HTC 2026-0020 FOR 30 NORTH SIXTH STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A WOOD DECK AND OVERHEAD PERGOLA AND TO EXTEND THE IRON RAILING TO ENCLOSE THE DECK. SO THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN TO YOU GUYS A COUPLE OF TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. ONE CASE OF RECENT MEMORY YOU'LL REMEMBER WAS THE KITCHEN REMODEL IN THE BACK, AS WELL AS THE VARIANCE FOR THE ELEVATOR SHAFTS ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO. AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO CONSTRUCT A PERGOLA AND A DECK IN THE REAR. SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLAN DOWN HERE IS THE MAIN HOUSE, HERE IS THE ELEVATOR ADDITION, AND THERE'S A PATIO THAT GOES TO THEIR POOL. AND THEN IN THE BACK, EVEN WITH THE POOL, IS A PROPOSED PERGOLA, WHICH IS 16 BY 14 AND IS ABOUT, I THINK, 9 TO 10 FEET TALL. HERE IS AN ELEVATION LOOKING TOWARDS THE HOUSE FROM THE BACK. SO IF YOU WERE KIND OF FLOATING IN THERE AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE LOOKING BACK, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PERGOLA IS ON THIS RAISED PLATFORM BECAUSE OF THAT ELEVATION CHANGE IN THE BACK. SO THERE IS A RETAINING WALL THAT HOLDS THE POOL, AND THEN BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION CHANGE, THE PERGOLA IS RAISED KIND OF ON SILT WITH FOOTINGS, AND THAT CONVENIENTLY IS ENOUGH ROOM TO HAVE A CARPORT UNDERNEATH. THIS IS THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT ELEVATION. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THIS SECTION WITH THE POOL INSIDE OF THAT WALL AND THE HANDRAIL GUARDING THE POOL, AND THEN THE PERGOLA ABOVE THE CARPORT. THERE ARE NOT SPECIFIC GUIDELINES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES REGARDING PERGOLAS, BUT STAFF DOES FIND THIS COMPLIANT WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES TO RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MIA? YEAH, I HAD ONE QUESTION UNDER YOUR ANALYSIS. IT SAYS, THE METAL FENCE MAY NOT EXCEED 4 FEET IN HEIGHT. WOULDN'T IT HAVE TO BE HIGHER THAN THAT BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT OF THIS, AND ALSO THEIR EXISTING ONE IS LIKE 6 FEET NOW AROUND THE POOL. YEAH, AND IT SAYS EXTEND IRON RAILING TO INCLUDE. RIGHT, AND THAT POOL PERMIT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IS NOT FINALIZED. SO THAT'S KIND OF ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD THAT SHOULD BE IRONED OUT IN FINAL. WHAT IS THAT POOL KIND OF FENCE ALLOWABLE, AND WHAT MATERIAL IS THAT FENCE? BUT I WAS NOT ABLE TO DIG INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT. SO WE SHOULD NOT SPECIFY THAT IT CANNOT EXCEED 4 FEET IN HEIGHT, IS THAT RIGHT? I WOULD SOMEWHAT LEAVE THE FENCE ALONE BECAUSE THE FENCE CAN BE A STAFF APPROVAL AT A LATER DATE, AND I WOULD FOCUS ON THE PERGOLA AND THE CARPORT AT THIS POINT. WHEN LISA AND I PUT OUR POOL IN, IF THAT IS THE ACTUAL IMAGING OF THE FENCE, SO THERE'S KIND OF LIKE A RUN AT THE BOTTOM, AND THEN THERE'S THE RUN AT THE TOP OR THE HORIZONTAL LINES, BY POOL CODE, THAT HAS TO BE 48 INCHES, THAT GAP SO THAT A CHILD CAN'T CLIMB OVER, SO THAT'S GOING TO ALREADY MAKE IT MORE THAN 4 FEET. ASSUMING THAT FENCE CONNECTS TO THE POOL AREA, LIKE THERE'S NO OTHER FENCE. THERE'S A CONFLICT BECAUSE IN OUR CODE, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES, METAL FENCES CAN'T EXCEED 4 FEET, SO THERE'S AN EXISTING CONFLICT. YEAH, AND THIS IS SUCH A [02:50:02] BIZARRE SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S 8 FEET UP ANYWAY, SO IT'S NOT REALLY ON GRADE, WHICH I THINK IS THE INTENT OF THE CODE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MIA? I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MIA. MIA, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY BEFORE, AND I KNOW YOU SAID THERE'S NO GUIDANCE IN THE HTC GUIDELINES REGARDING THE HEIGHT OF THE PERGOLA. A PERGOLA, HOW DO WE, BUT YOU HAVE A PERGOLA BUILT ON TOP OF ANOTHER STRUCTURE, SO IS THERE ANY GUIDANCE REGARDING THE OVERALL HEIGHT, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING, IT IS GOING TO APPEAR VERY TALL FROM THE 7TH STREET. I WOULD PROBABLY DEFAULT TO THE HEIGHT LIMITS FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, WHICH WOULD BE 5 FEET TALL. IF IT'S A TWO-STORY STRUCTURE, ESSENTIALLY, PROBABLY DEFAULT TO THAT. THE APPLICANTS HERE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD. IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. DOUG MCKELLAR, DOUG MCKELLAR CONSTRUCTION, SELF-EXPLANATORY. 30 NORTH 6TH STREET, REPRESENTING THE RICE FAMILY. COULD YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT? ABSOLUTELY. IT'S AN HONOR TO ACTUALLY BE ENTRUSTED WITH THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS PROJECT. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO, AND SPEAKING AS A UNIVERSAL DESIGN SPECIALIST, IS WE'RE UTILIZING THE ALREADY EXISTING STRUCTURE TO MAKE THE AMBULATION AS NEEDED FOR THEM TO HAVE THE POOLSIDE DECK AT A VERY EASY, AGGRESSIVE STEP UP, VERY SLIGHTLY OVERGRADE OF THE POOL WITH AGGRESSIVE ON BOTH SIDES, AND ALSO THE COVER OF THE PERGOLA, WHICH IS GOING TO ALLOW US SPACE, AND ALSO THE PARKING FOR MR. RICE'S VEHICLE UNDERNEATH IT, EVERYTHING TO BE REPRESENTED AND IN RESPECT OF THE HISTORICAL DESIGN, MATCHING COLORS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE SPECIFIED. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MCKELLAR? I HAVE A QUESTION. ABSOLUTELY. DOUG, WHAT'S THE PROPOSED ACCESS DOWN TO THE CARPORT? IS THERE GOING TO BE A, IS IT JUST GOING TO BE LIKE A WALKWAY DOWN FROM THE MAIN HOUSE, OR IS IT GOING TO BE A STAIR AT SOME POINT? SO, AROUND THE CORNER OF THE POOL RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE AN ACTUAL STEP. THERE'S ACTUALLY A GATE. OH, ON THE, I GUESS ON THE SOUTH SIDE? CORRECT. YES, THAT WOULD BE SOUTH SIDE. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. AND I DON'T SEE THIS ON THE PLAN. THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE RISES. ARE WE ANTICIPATING SOME PRETTY HEAVY VEGETATIVE SCREENING ON THE LOW SIDE OF THE GRADE? SO, THERE IS A LANDSCAPE. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT MYSELF AS THE BUILDER, BUT THERE IS A LANDSCAPE. WE'VE JUST PUT SIX MAGNOLIAS IN ALONG THAT SIDE JUST IN THE LAST WEEK OR TWO. AND ON THE BACK SIDE, WE HAVE TREES THAT ARE BEING MAINTAINED. THEY'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. SO, REALLY THE ONLY PLACE YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE UP IN. MS. RICE, WOULD YOU COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? I'M SORRY. ELIZABETH RICE, 30 NORTH 6TH STREET. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE QUESTION WAS. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YOUR MAGNOLIAS. OH, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SCREENING? YES. WE PUT IN SIX, PROBABLY 15 FOOT MAGNOLIA TREES THAT ARE GETTING READY TO BLOOM RIGHT NOW. AND THAT'S ON THE EXTERIOR PART. AND ON THE INSIDE, WE'VE GOT HOLLIES. DO YOU HAVE SOME HOLLIES? WE HAVE TWO HOLLIES, BUT THE MAIN PART IS... OH, GOODNESS, I CAN'T THINK OF THE WORD. PODOCARPUS. PODOCARPUS. YEAH, AND WE PUT IN SIX NEW PALM TREES, TOO. WHAT I'M MOSTLY REFERRING TO, ELIZABETH, IS FROM THE ALACHUA SIDE. SO, BASICALLY, THIS IS ALMOST DUPLICATING WHERE THE LITTLE CONCRETE BLOCK GARAGE WAS. SO, WE'RE KIND OF GOING BACK TO WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW HOW IT REALLY DROPS DOWN TO 7TH? WHERE WE HAVE...IT LOOKS LIKE LOLLY COLUMNS, BUT MAYBE THESE ARE DECKED POSTS OR SOMETHING THAT'S HOLDING UP THE PERGOLA. ON THAT SIDE, DO YOU THINK... ON THE BACK SIDE THAT FACES 7TH? YEAH. THERE WILL BE SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW YET WHAT IT WILL BE. AND YOU OWN THAT FULL LOT DOWN TO 7TH. WE OWN TWO LOTS THERE. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. AND THAT, ACTUALLY, I DON'T THINK, AND THE BOTTOM THERE IS EVEN IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHEN I'M JUST PULLING IT UP. I'M NOT SURE IT EVEN IS. THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE FOR YOU ABOUT THAT IS, AND MAYBE YOU GUYS COULD WORK ON THIS NOW, TO REINSTALL SOME SILT FENCING, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING SO MUCH RUNOFF. LIKE, EVERY TIME I GO AROUND WITH MY BIKE, I ABOUT WIPE OUT. REALLY? YEAH. SO, JUST KIND OF GET THAT. AND THEN, ONCE WE GET SOME EROSION CONTROL ON THERE, THAT WILL BE REALLY NICE. WHAT TREY IS... TREY IS GOING TO PUT THE GARAGE DOWN VERY QUICKLY. OKAY, GOOD. HE'S THE ONE THAT'S DONE THE CITY LANDSCAPING, AND HE'S THE LANDSCAPER. YEAH, I THINK IT'S CREATIVE. [02:55:01] THIS IS A CREATIVE... I PAID FOR THAT DIRT. 30 OR 40 TRUCKLOADS OF DIRT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MRS. RICE? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT? NOT SEEING ANY, I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. MOVE TO BOARD DISCUSSION. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I THINK MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE JUST MORE MATERIAL CALL-OUTS FOR THE TYPE OF HANDRAIL. IF THIS IS THE FINAL DESIGN, I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT I HAD. THIS IS CONCEPTUAL. RIGHT. YEAH, RIGHT. FOR CONCEPTUAL, YEAH. TO BE SEEN IN FINAL, THAT'S IT. YEAH, AS FAR AS THE FENCE, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO MEET BUILDING CODES. YEAH, NOT WITHSTANDING. SO, MOTION? ANYBODY? I MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC 2026-0020 WITHOUT CONDITIONS. AND I MOVE THAT HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD. THAT HDC, CASE HDC 2026-0020 AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. SO, I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. SECOND? NO. I HEARD HEATHER. FIRST FROM VERONICA, SECOND FROM HEATHER. I DON'T KNOW. SWEET. MEMBER SALA? YES. MEMBER RILEY? YES. MEMBER KOSACK? YES. VICE CHAIR PSULKOWSKI? YES. SORRY, MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? AND MEMBER BYRNES. I'M SORRY. YES. SEEING TAMMY LEAVE FOR THE BATHROOM, DO WE NEED A SMALL INTERMISSION? PROBABLY. WHO MADE THE MOTION? I MADE THE MOTION. AND DID TAMMY SECOND? NO, HEATHER SECOND. IF YOU WANT TO WAIT FOR HER TO COME BACK, SURE, BEFORE YOU TAKE THE VOTE SO THAT SHE CAN... WE TOOK THE VOTE ON THIS. OH, YOU DID? OH, I'M SORRY. I WAS DOING SOMETHING ELSE. IT'S 8 O'CLOCK. I DIDN'T KNOW IF I NEEDED IT. OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING IF YOU NEEDED TO WAIT FOR HER TO COME BACK. ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. I'M GOING TO WAIT FOR HER. OKAY. MY WIFE WHO COULDN'T BE HERE ASKED THAT I SPECIFICALLY THANK MS. MCKENNA. THANK YOU FOR SENDING THAT EMAIL ABOUT THE FRAUD BECAUSE I'M A SUCKER AND I WOULD HAVE WIRED THE MONEY SO FAST. FORTUNATELY, I WASN'T ATTACKED BY A MAJOR INSURANCE COMPANY. WHO DID THAT? IT'S BEEN GOING ON AT THE CITY FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW. FOR THE RECORD, THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT THE FRAUD. I WAS SO READY TO WIRE THE MONEY. I'M READY AS LIKE, YEAH, YEAH. I'M SO HAPPY. I WOULD NEVER ASK ANYBODY EVER TO WIRE MONEY, EVER. MY WIFE WILL BE ESPECIALLY THANK YOU. I WANT TO DO A SURVEY HERE. OF COURSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MCKENNA, I'M GOING TO ENTRUST IT. TAMMY'S READ THIS. [5.5 HDC2026-0028 - SETH H. & JENNA M. GRIFFITH, 223 N 4TH STREET] LET'S KEEP MOVING. SEE YOU LATER. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO HCC 20260028. THIS APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A FINAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL TO REPAINT TO, I'M GOING TO SAY ALL THESE THINGS, BUT IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AT 223 NORTH 4TH STREET. THEY ARE SEEKING TO REPAINT THE EXTERIOR, REPAIR THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR, REPLACE WINDOWS WITH NEW WINDOWS OF THE SAME SIZE AND PLACEMENT, REMOVE TWO ATTACHED SWORD SHEDS, EXTEND THE PAVER AREA INTO THE SIDE YARD, INSTALL A NEW DETACHED SWORD SHED AND A NEW EXTERIOR SIDE DOOR AND CONSTRUCT A SCREEN OUTDOOR LIVING AREA. SO AS THE OTHER CASE WAS A LITTLE WORDY IN THEIR COA REQUEST, THIS IS A GENERAL KIND OF REFRESH REFURBISHMENT OF THE STRUCTURE. THERE ARE TWO KIND OF WONKY GARAGES AND SHEDS THAT ARE TACKED ON HERE BASED ON STAFF KNOWLEDGE THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE AND THEY DON'T REALLY FIT IN THE STYLE AND FORM OF THIS VICTORIAN ERA TWO STORY HOUSE. SO THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN AND YOU CAN SEE THAT FRONT GARAGE ACTUALLY CROSSES OVER THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN BRINGS THE SITE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, ADDS THESE TWO KIND OF ENTRY WAYS INTO EACH SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND THEN KIND OF COVERED CANTILEVERED PORCH IN THE BACK. SO THESE ARE SOME PICTURES OF EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE KIND OF LEAN-TO'S THERE [03:00:02] AND THE LITTLE GARAGES AND THIS IS A DRAWING OF THE EXISTING CONDITION AS SEEN FROM NORTH 4TH STREET. HERE ARE SOME MORE PICTURES OF EXISTING CONDITIONS. TO ADDRESS THE WINDOWS QUICKLY, THE WINDOWS ON THE STRUCTURE HAVE BEEN REPLACED OVER TIME SO THERE'S NOT ORIGINAL WINDOWS IN THE STRUCTURE. THE WINDOWS I BELIEVE ARE VINYL SO THEY WOULD BE REPLACED WITH WINDOWS FROM THE APPROVED LIST THAT IS KIND OF MORE IN KEEPING WITH OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. THESE ARE THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS AND RENDERINGS AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S KIND OF MORE EVENED OUT WITH THOSE ENTRY WAYS ON THE SIDES WITH THE RAISED DECKS AND STAIRS ON EACH SIDE. BASED ON THE INFORMATION, STAFF CAN RECOMMEND FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME BECAUSE THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE IN MORE KEEPING WITH THE STYLE AND WITH THE VEIN OF THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MIA? MY ONLY QUESTION, MIA, IS WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT THOSE WINDOWS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE HOUSE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE ARE VINYL? THEY ARE, I THINK THEY'RE METAL NOW THAT I'M LOOKING BACK TO THE WINDOW SURVEY. THEY'RE METAL AND THEN THE TRANSOM WINDOWS ABOVE THE DOORS WERE LISTED AS WOOD ON THE WINDOW SURVEY. AND THE TRANSOMS ARE LOOKING TO GET REPLACED? MM-HMM. OKAY. SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MIA. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? DO YOU LIKE TO COME UP? JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. I'M JENNA GRIFFITH, 223 NORTH 4TH STREET. WE'VE BEEN IN THIS HOUSE A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AND A HALF AND JUST WANT TO, LIKE SHE WAS SAYING, BRING IT BACK TO LIFE A LITTLE BIT MORE SO ALL THE MATERIALS ARE GOING TO BE EXACTLY AS THEY ARE. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURE SHE SHOWED, THE GARAGE, I'M GOING TO, WHERE THE TRASH CANS ARE, THAT TOP RIGHT, IT DEFINITELY LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE MAYBE BUILT IT THEMSELVES TO TOUCH THE HOUSE. AND WE'RE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE CHURCH AND THE SCHOOL, SO JUST OPENING UP THAT PARKING AREA TO DO LIKE A TANDEM NICELY PAVED OR PAVERED DRIVEWAY WOULD BE, I THINK, MORE VISUALLY APPEALING. WHAT WE'RE THINKING TO ONCE THAT ORIGINAL GARAGE IS GONE, IT MAY BE ENOUGH TO EVEN LEAVE THAT BACK STORAGE UNIT, BUT WE WANTED TO STILL PRESENT AND HOPE FOR APPROVAL THAT IF IT DOESN'T WE COULD GET THAT SECOND STORAGE BUILDING BUILT AND MOVE IT BACK ONTO THE PROPERTY A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK. AND THE QUESTION ABOUT THE TRANSOM, I'M NOT SURE WHICH WINDOW THAT IS. SO IT'S BOTH WINDOWS ABOVE THE FRONT DOOR AND THEN THE TRANSOM WINDOW ABOVE THE DOOR ON THE SECOND LEVEL BALCONY. AND YOU'RE RETAINING THOSE OR YOU'RE REPLACING THOSE? REPLACING. OKAY. ARE THOSE WOOD TRANSOMS? YES, SIR. OKAY. YES, SIR. AND THEN LIKE SHE SAID, THE REST OF THEM ARE ALL METAL. AND I THINK IT WAS LIKE 80 SOMETHING THOSE WERE REPLACED IN THE 80S. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. YEAH. THANKS, JENNA. WELL, I APPRECIATE IF YOU'RE GOING TO PAINT THE COLOR OF THIS HOUSE TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I AM. YEAH, I AM. IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY NICE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THERE'S A NOTE, NORMALLY I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH APPROVAL ON DOCUMENTS WHEN THERE'S MORE DETAIL TO ALL THAT IN TERMS OF MATERIALS. BUT I THINK YOU COVER IT WELL IN THE NOTES WHAT IT IS. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THE RAILINGS, ARE THE RAIL, ARE THE PORCH, ARE YOU PROPOSING TO REPLACE BOTH THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR RAILINGS? ABSOLUTELY NOT. WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ANY OF THEM. OKAY. SO I SEE, I'M JUST READING FINISHES, RAILINGS, MATCH UP SYSTEMS STYLE, INCREASED HEIGHT FOR CURRENT SAFETY STANDARDS. SO JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT RAILING IS IT THAT'S GETTING REPLACED? THERE'S NOT ANY RAILING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE LOVE THOSE RAILINGS. YEAH. THEY MIGHT BE REFERRING TO THE RAILINGS ON, LIKE, THE SIDE. YEAH. YOU HAVE A NEW RAILING. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT TOTALLY, MY QUESTION TOO. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS UNDER THE SIDING MATERIALS LIST, IT SAYS THE LP SMART SIDE ENGINEERED SIDING, [03:05:01] WHERE IS THAT GOING TO BE USED? THAT WAS JUST PROPOSED FOR IF WE BUILT THAT SECONDARY STRUCTURE, THE STORAGE. AS FAR AS THE MAIN STRUCTURE IS CONCERNED, WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE, THE SELLERS ACTUALLY REPLACED ALL THE WOOD ROT. SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. OKAY. SO THAT'S FOR THEM. AND THAT SECOND STRUCTURE, IS THAT LITTLE RECTANGULAR THING? YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT. THERE'S NOTHING CALLED OUT ON IT. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE, LIKE, ANOTHER LITTLE SHED, POSSIBLY? YES, MA'AM. BECAUSE WE STILL NEED STORAGE. ARE YOU LOOKING TO, WHEN YOU'RE REPLACING THE WINDOWS, YOU'RE KEEPING THE WINDOW FRAME INTACT? YOU'RE OPERATING ON THE... CORRECT. IT'S STILL GOING TO NEED A TWO... WELL, NO, WE WANT TO DO THE TWO PANEL, SO MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE MORE HISTORIC. RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST A SINGLE PANEL. SO THE WINDOWS THAT WE CHOSE ARE THE TWO PANEL, TOP AND BOTTOM. BUT THEY'LL FIT IN THE EXISTING OPENINGS? CORRECT. YES, SIR. AND ALSO, SOMETHING YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE ON THE PICTURE. SO THE TOP RIGHT CORNER, AGAIN, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THERE'S A WINDOW ON TOP OF WHERE THE GARAGE IS. THAT'S ACTUALLY A FULL WINDOW. AND ON THE INSIDE, ON THE LOWER PANE, THEY DID LIKE A BUILT-IN LITTLE SHELF ON THE STEPS. WE WILL BE REPLACING THE ENTIRE WINDOW. SO EXTERIORLY, IT WILL MATCH THE REST OF THE WINDOWS. AND THEN THE WOOD THAT'S INSIDE THE GARAGE STILL HAS ORIGINAL PAINT FROM BEFORE IT BEING THIS COLOR. SO THAT WILL ALL MATCH AND LOOK A LITTLE MORE COHESIVE WITH THE REST OF THE BUILDING. SO ARE YOU REPLACING ALL THE EXTERIOR WINDOWS OR NO? YES, MA'AM. EVERY SINGLE WINDOW? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. JUST SO THEY'RE ALL THE SAME. AND WHEN YOU TEAR OFF THOSE, I GUESS, GARAGE SHED ADDITIONS... I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT EITHER. LEAN-TOS. LEAN-TOS, THANK YOU. THE SIDING ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, ARE YOU GOING BACK WITH SOMETHING TO MATCH THE EXISTING? EXACTLY. IT'S STILL IN THERE. IT'S STILL IN THERE. YEAH. I MEAN, IT LITERALLY IS JUST WALLS AND A ROOF THAT GOT... IT JUST COVERS THE VOLKSWAGEN. YEAH, I'LL PULL UP THE PICTURES. IT'S THE VOLKSWAGEN STORY. YEAH, YEAH. YOU CAN'T EVEN PUT THE GOLF CART IN THERE. I DID PRESENT A PICTURE OF THAT. YEAH, THERE WAS A LOT OF GREAT DOCUMENTATION THAT WE REQUESTED. GETTING THERE, GETTING THERE. THIS IS ALL IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET. OH, THAT'S THE PAINT COLOR WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING. FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S THE PAINT COLOR CHOSEN WOULD FINISH FOR THE DOOR. AND WE ARE SANDING AND FINISHING THE FRONT DOOR. WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAINT IT. I THINK WE WERE LOOKING FOR THE INTERIOR OF THE GARAGE. THE INTERIOR, YEAH. JUST THE OLD CODE. AND THE HALF WINDOW. AND THE HALF WINDOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NOPE. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE. I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, MOVE TO BOARD DISCUSSION. I THINK THE ONLY THING I WOULD HAVE HERE IS JUST ANNOTATING THESE PLANS SO THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT NEW SIDING IS GOING ON THE PROPOSED NEW ATTACHED GARAGE ADDITION SHED. ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DETAIL OF THESE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS? IT'S A LITTLE LACKING. LIKE THE ROOF OVERHANGS OF THE PORCHES. IT'S MORE LIKE A GRAPHICAL DEPICTION THAN A CONSTRUCTION DRAWING THAT SHOWS US EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. IF I WAS A BUILDER AND I BUILT THAT, WE WOULDN'T LIKE THAT. OH NO, I SECOND THAT. YEAH, I THINK THE FOUNDATION PLANS ARE GOOD. THE FLOOR PLANS ARE GOOD. BUT WE NEED A LOT MORE CALL OUTS ON THE ELEVATION. I NEED THE SIDING DRAWN IN AND I NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE NEW AND THE OLD IS, YOU KNOW, CHANGING. COULD THIS BE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL THEN? COULD I? [03:10:01] IF YOU WANT TO ALLOW ME TO COME BACK UP. YES, YOU CAN COME BACK UP. I WAS MAKING SURE I DIDN'T SAY YOUR HONOR WHEN I GOT UP HERE THE FIRST TIME. JENNA GRIFFITH, 223 NORTH FORTH. IF WE COULD REQUEST, BECAUSE I WONDERED IF THAT MIGHT COME UP, TO GET APPROVAL ON AT LEAST THE DEMOLITION OF THE FRONT STRUCTURE. PRETTY MUCH THE REST OF THE THING IS NOT THAT SECOND TO BE BUILT STRUCTURE. BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT MAY BE ENOUGH SPACE WHERE WE DON'T NEED TO TEAR DOWN THE SECOND STRUCTURE AND BUILD A WHOLE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE. BECAUSE OUR GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO PARK TWO VEHICLES AND NOT HAVE TO FIGHT FOR PARKING. SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT IF WE COULD GET SOME SORT OF APPROVAL TO GET THE FIRST PLACE TORN DOWN AND START GETTING THAT PAINT COLOR CHANGED OUT. AND JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT STRUCTURE THAT IS, IT'S THE... THE BACK ONE. THE BOX THAT'S NOTATED AT NUMBER TWO. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL THAT UP ON 82. YES, SIR. SO THAT GARAGE WOULD BE THE ONE COMING DOWN. THE GARAGE. FOR SURE COMING DOWN. YES, SIR. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NEW ONE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE BUILT. IS THE NUMBER TWO CORRECT? RIGHT. SO THAT WOULD BE THE PROPOSED NEW GARAGE SHED. YES, SIR. OKAY. BUT THE ORIGINAL DRAWING, THE SECOND BACK STRUCTURE, WE MIGHT END UP JUST KEEPING IT THERE AND PAINTING IT WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSE. BECAUSE IF WE CAN AVOID BUILDING SOMETHING, WE'RE GOING TO AVOID BUILDING SOMETHING. YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SOME FUNKY ROOFS GOING ON UP THERE, TOO. WELL, WE DID JUST GET THE ROOF DONE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, BUT THE ROOF... THE NEW ROOF. I'M SORRY? THE NEW ROOF THINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED THERE. THE ROOF WILL NOT BE CHANGING. LIKE THE OVERHANGS FOR YOUR EXIT AND ENTRY STEPS ON THE SIDE? THERE'S A NOTE THAT SAYS CONTINUE SLASH EXTEND EXISTING REAR ROOF LINE ON 82. I THINK THAT'S WHAT TAMMY'S REFERRING TO. I COULD SUGGEST THAT THE BOARD COULD APPROVE THE ITEMS THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH ON FINAL APPROVAL AND THEN FOR ANY ADDITIONAL APPROVALS WOULD COME BACK FOR FINAL. LIKE MAYBE JUST THE TEAR DOWN AND THE PAINTING. AND MAYBE IF THE WINDOWS ARE ACCEPTABLE. AND THE WINDOWS. THAT'S A BIG JOB. YOU WANT TO GET THEM ORDERED. AND THE FRONT DOOR. AND THEN HOLD OFF ON ANY ADDITIONS AT THIS TIME AND THEN COME BACK. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WE CAN GET OUR DRAWINGS BETTER. WE'LL MOVE BACK TO BOARD DISCUSSION AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. MOVING BACK TO BOARD DISCUSSION. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. AND I DEFINITELY LIKE SOME MORE DETAIL ON THE NEW GARAGE. SO FINAL APPROVAL FOR THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE ORIGINAL OF THE HOUSE. THE WINDOWS, PAINTING, DEMO OF THE GARAGE. ENTRY DOOR, SAND AND FINISH. WINDOWS. MOVE ALL OF THE ONE GARAGE. BUT WE EXCLUDE NEW STRUCTURES. AND DIDN'T YOU SAY SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SUBMIT CALL OUTS ON? YEAH. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NEW HOUSE. RIGHT ON THE NEW STRUCTURE. RIGHT ON THE NEW STRUCTURE WHEN IT COMES BACK FOR FINAL I GUESS AT THAT TIME. AND IF YOU WANTED TO ADD THE PAVER DRIVEWAY AS WELL. MAYBE TO THAT MOTION. IT'S NOT REALLY CALLED OUT ON THE PLANS. THAT'S ALSO DRIVEWAY MATERIAL AND CAN BE APPROVED BY SAP AT A LATER TIME. RIGHT. IF YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO DO APPROVAL FOR THAT AS WELL. SOMEONE COMFORTABLE MAKING A MOTION. FINAL APPROVAL. FOR THOSE ITEMS MINUS THE NEW PROPOSED GARAGE. I'M TIRED BUT I'LL GO FOR IT. LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS RIGHT. WE'LL DIG IT UP IF IT'S NOT. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDCB 2026-0028 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THAT THE SCOPE OF WORK AS DESCRIBED FOR THE HOUSE. THE PAINTING OF THE HOUSE. THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT. REFINISHING THE DOORS. AND THE DEMOLITION OF THE FRONT WING TWO GARAGE IS APPROVED. DID I GET THAT RIGHT? AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FINAL FINDINGS AFFECTING THE CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PAR THE RECORD. JUST ADD MATERIAL CALL OUTS. OH. PROPOSED. WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR FINAL. AND THAT MATERIAL CALL OUTS GET ADDED IN THE FINAL DOCUMENTS FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FINAL FINDINGS AFFECTING THE CONCLUSIONS [03:15:01] OF LAW PAR THE RECORD. THAT HDC CASE HDC 2026-0028 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH LINE DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE SECRETARY OF EACH OF YOUR STANDARDS. AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. GOT A SECOND FROM HEATHER. WE CALL ROLL. MEMBER KOSACK. YES. MEMBER RILEY. YES. MEMBER SALA. [5.6 HDC2026-0029 - MICHAEL STAUFFER, ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR CLAIRE O. BOWEN, TRUSTEE OF THE STATESBORO OLLIFF TRUST, 131 S. 6TH STREET] YES. MEMBER BYRNES. YES. MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER. YES. AND VICE CHAIR PSULKOWSKI. YES. CONGRATS. I'M GOING TO BE RECUSING MYSELF FOR THIS CASE AND HANDING MY GAVEL OVER TO TIM. YOUR FIVE SIX. YEAH, DYLAN, DO YOU HAVE THOSE FORMS FOR ME AS WELL? OF COURSE. UNLESS YOU WOULD LIKE THEM TO SWITCH. YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY WE COULD PUT HIS AT THE END. WE JUST RUN THROUGH IT. RESTRUCTURE WHAT? THE AGENDA. YOU WERE SAYING REORDER? OH, I JUST KNEW HE WASN'T THE LAST ONES ON THE AGENDA. THAT'S OKAY. LET'S JUST, WE'RE JUST GOING TO ROLL WITH IT. MOVING ON. HDC 226-0029, LAST REPORT. ALL RIGHT. YEP. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PREFACE THESE NEXT THREE CASES. THEY'RE ALL REFERENCING THE SAME SITES. WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT ADDRESSES BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE HISTORICAL ADDRESSES THAT ARE LISTED ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER SITE AND ON OTHER HISTORICAL MAPS. THE FIRST CASE WE'RE DISCUSSING ON THIS SITE IS FOR THE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 131 SOUTH 6TH STREET. THIS IS COMMONLY REFERRED TO AROUND TOWN AS THE TROLLEY HOUSE. IT LIES ON THE CORNER OF BEACH STREET AND SOUTH 6TH STREET. AS SOME OF THE OTHER CASES WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, THIS IS JUST A REFRESH OF THE EXTERIOR AND STAFF BELIEVES ON THE WHOLE IS IN MORE KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THAT STRUCTURE. THIS IS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO 125. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLAN, IT'S THE ONE REALLY SNUG UP TO GET TO THIS CORNER. AND THEN THIS IS THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURE THAT WE WILL DISCUSS LATER. THERE IS NO SITE PLAN CHANGES PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS SPECIFIC APPLICATION, ONLY COSMETIC CHANGES. SO YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE THE EXISTING ELEVATIONS, THAT BAY WINDOW FACING SOUTH 6TH STREET, SOME GARDEN WINDOWS AND SOME SHUTTERS KIND OF TACKED ON, AS WELL AS A REAR PORCH, AND THEN THE SHUTTERS AGAIN ON THAT SOUTH ELEVATION. THE PROPOSED ELEVATION AIMS TO BRING THAT STRUCTURE BACK TO ITS HISTORICAL USE, WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN A TROLLEY HOUSE AS THERE'S THAT DRIVEWAY ONTO BEACH STREET. AND THAT IS, AS WE KNOW, WHERE THE TROLLEY RAN HISTORICALLY. SO THERE ARE SOME RUMORS THAT THAT IS WHERE THE OLD TROLLEY USED TO BE STORED. SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING SOME REPLICA BARN DOORS ON THE FRONT OF THE TROLLEY HOUSE IN PLACE OF THAT BAY WINDOW. ALL OF THE WINDOWS WILL LOSE KIND OF THEIR SHUTTERS AND THEIR COSMETIC... ASPECTS. THERE IS A GARDEN WINDOW THAT KIND OF PROTRUDES OUT OF THE HOUSE THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE REPLACED WITH A WINDOW THAT MATCHES THE REST OF THEM, AND THE PLANS ON THE REAR ELEVATION ARE JUST TO REMOVE THAT BACK PORCH. SO ON THE WHOLE, THIS IS KIND OF AN EFFORT TO BRING THIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BACK TO WHAT IT HISTORICALLY WAS, AND THESE ARE SOME OLD PHOTOS THAT SHOW THAT REPLICA BARN DOOR IN ITS OLD FORM. THESE ARE THE CURRENT PHOTOS OF EXISTING CONDITIONS. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT OF COSMETIC ADDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO IT THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY COMPLIANT WITH OUR GUIDELINES AS WE KNOW THEM TODAY. STAFF CAN APPROVE, I RECOMMEND FINAL APPROVAL OF THIS CASE AT THIS TIME, AND I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, APPLICANT. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. MICHAEL STAUFFER, ARCHITECT AND AGENT ON THIS PROJECT, 1417 SADLER ROAD, NUMBER 195, FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. WE WOULD WELCOME A UNANIMOUS CONSENT DECREE FOR ALL THREE OF OUR CASES, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SHORTEN YOUR NIGHT. SINCE WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT. YEAH, AS YOU SEE, AS MUCH AS A 1980S PHOTO CAN BE AN HISTORIC PHOTO, IT'S THE LAST ONE WE HAVE THAT SHOWS THAT IT APPEARS TO BE A GARAGE DOOR OF SOME SORT ON 6TH STREET. SO WE JUST WANT TO STRIP OFF ALL THE STUFF THAT'S BEEN ADDED TO THIS BUILDING, MAKE IT FEEL LIKE IT'S MORE OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. IT WILL NOT BE A FUNCTIONING DOOR, IT WILL ACTUALLY BE A WALL, BUT DESIGNED ELEMENTS ON THE EXTERIOR TO LOOK LIKE, WITH TRANSOM WINDOWS THAT LOOK LIKE IT'S GLASS IN A GARAGE. IF YOU REALLY SQUINT AND LOOK AT THAT PICTURE CLOSELY, YOU ALMOST CAN SEE WHAT LOOKS LIKE THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME GLASS PANES IN THE UPPER PART OF THAT DOOR GETTING IN THERE. AND YEAH, WE DON'T KNOW THE TRUE HISTORY, WHAT WAS IN THERE, BUT THERE IS A CURB CUT [03:20:01] IN THERE. IN THIS, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT LOOKS LIKE RAMPAGE, BECAUSE THE FLOOR IS ACTUALLY ABOUT THAT MUCH ABOVE THE GRADE. ON THIS, WE ARE PROPOSING REMOVING THE RAILINGS ON THE PORCH AND THE LATTICE THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER, THE VINYL LATTICE THAT'S UNDERNEATH. WE DON'T HAVE A REPLACEMENT FOR THOSE TWO ELEMENTS RIGHT NOW. WHEN WE COME BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL ON THE HOUSE, BECAUSE WE WANT TO REPLACE THE RAILINGS ON THE HOUSE AND THE LATTICE ON THE HOUSE, WE COME BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL ON THAT, WE'LL ASK FOR SOME WORK ON THIS AS WELL. BUT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CLEAN THIS WHOLE STRUCTURE UP. AND THAT'S IT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NOPE. WE'RE SORRY TO MAKE THAT GARDEN WINDOW GO AWAY, BUT IT REALLY NEEDS TO GO AWAY. SO AT ONE POINT, THIS WAS A GROCERY STORE. THE FERREIRA FAMILY RAN A GROCERY STORE HERE. AND ON ONE OF THE OLD SANBORN MAPS, IT EVEN SAID- GRO. YEAH. SO IT WAS LISTED UP. AND THIS IS THE OLD, OLD FERREIRA CLAN. AND WHEN TONY LIVED AROUND THE CORNER IN THE WHITE HOUSE, THAT GOT THE TREMENDOUS RENO FIVE TIMES AROUND, I WANT TO SAY HIS GRANDPARENTS WERE GREAT, HAD THE GROCERY STORE THERE. SO IT DOES HAVE KIND OF A COOL HISTORY. ARE YOU PLANNING ON SAVING THE LITTLE METAL DECORATIVE TROLLEY? ABSOLUTELY. GOOD. I WALK BY THAT EVERY DAY WHEN I GO DOWNTOWN AND I NEVER SAW IT UNTIL SOMEBODY POINTED IT OUT. I ASSUME THERE USED TO BE A TROLLEY MAILBOX TOO? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. OKAY. YEAH, BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT WHEN YOU GO BY, LOOK, THERE'S LITTLE PEOPLE IN THERE. YEAH, IT'S GOOD. THAT'S PRETTY COOL. SHE DOESN'T WANT IT, I WANT IT IN MY HOUSE. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SEEING NONE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND STAFF DISCUSSION. OR DISCUSSION, I MEAN. WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? OTHER THAN IT'S ADORABLE. I THINK IT WORKS WELL. AWESOME PROJECT. YEAH, YEAH. I THINK IT WORKS WELL. IT LOOKS GOOD. IT'S GOING TO BE SO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. IT LOOKS GOOD. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. YEP. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HTC 2026-0029 WITHOUT CONDITIONS. AND I MOVE THAT THE HTC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD. THAT HTC CASE 2026-0029 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. LET'S GO WITH BOB TODAY. MOTION VERONICA, SECOND BOB. MEMBER RILEY? [5.7 HDCV2026-0001 - MICHAEL STAUFFER, ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR CLAIRE O. BOWEN, TRUSTEE OF THE STATESBORO OLLIFF TRUST U/A, 125 S. 6TH STREET] YES. MEMBER SALA? YES. MEMBER BYRNES ? YES. MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? YES. ALL RIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ALONG. THIS IS THE NEXT CASE ON THIS PROPERTY. THIS CASE IS A VARIANCE REQUEST FROM LDC 4.02.03E. TABLE STANDARDS FOR BUILDING HEIGHT AND SETBACKS TO REDUCE THE REAR YARD SETBACK FOR AN ADDITION FROM 20 FEET TO 5 FEET AND 6 INCHES AND A REAR YARD SETBACK FROM A SCREEN PORCH FROM 10 FEET TO 5 FEET AND 6 INCHES. SO THIS IS A VARIANCE REQUEST THAT PRECEDES THE NEXT CASE, WHICH WOULD BE THE PROPOSED ADDITION. SO IN ORDER FOR THE NEXT CASE TO BE HEARD, WE NEED A RULING ON THE VARIANCE FIRST. SO THESE CASES ARE KIND OF TIED TOGETHER LIKE THAT. JUST SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION. SINCE THIS PROPERTY IS ADDRESSED OFF SOUTH 6TH STREET, THE SETBACKS APPLY OFF SOUTH 6TH. SO IN THE R2 ZONING DISTRICT, YOU HAVE A 25-FOOT SETBACK OFF SOUTH 6TH STREET AND A 20-FOOT SETBACK OFF FROM THAT ADJACENT PROPERTY AT 509 BEACH STREET. SO THE ORIENTATION OF THE LOT IS KIND OF FUNKY BECAUSE YOUR SETBACKS ARE APPLIED KIND OF COUNTERINTUITIVELY. AND ON THIS SKETCH, YOU CAN SEE THE SETBACKS ARE IN GREEN, SO YOUR BUILDING ENVELOPE BECOMES VERY SMALL IN THE CENTER OF THIS LOT. YOU CAN SEE A SNEAK PEEK AT THE PROPOSED ADDITION IS HERE IN RED. SO THAT IS WHY THE VARIANCE IS BEING REQUESTED FROM THE REAR LOT SETBACK, WHICH COULD BE MORE INTUITIVELY YOU WOULD THINK THAT IS THE SIDE SETBACK, BUT BECAUSE OF THE ADDRESSING AND THE HISTORICAL ORIENTATION OF THE HOUSE, IT IS OFF SOUTH 6TH STREET. THERE ARE MULTIPLE CRITERIA FOR GRANTING A VARIANCE FOR ITEMS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, ALONG WITH THE SIX CRITERIA NORMALLY FOR VARIANCES. THERE'S ANOTHER SIX CRITERIA FOR HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND I'LL KIND OF SUMMARIZE THOSE. THOSE ARE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET AS WELL. BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME PICTURES OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. THERE'S THAT TROLLEY HOUSE, THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WE WERE SPEAKING OF, AND IN THIS PICTURE, THE PRIMARY HOUSE IS OVER HERE, AND THERE IS THAT HISTORIC OPEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE. [03:25:01] THIS IS SOME MORE PICTURES OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WHERE THE ADDITION IS PROPOSED, AND YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT FACADE IS PRESERVED AND THIS SIDE FACADE IS PRESERVED AND SEEMS TO BE UNCHANGED FROM ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION. HERE ARE SOME MORE PICTURES, AND THEN I'LL KIND OF SUMMARIZE THE CRITERIA FOR GRANTING A VARIANCE. SPECIAL CONDITIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST WHICH ARE PECULIAR TO THE LAND, AND HERE'S WHERE I TALK ABOUT HOW THOSE SETBACKS ARE SITUATED BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS ON A 100 FOOT WIDE LOT AND 72 FEET DEEP, WHICH IS A LITTLE PECULIAR FOR LOTS PLOTTED TODAY. THE PROPOSED ADDITION WOULD BE EXACTLY IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, SO THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO GO BEYOND THAT, JUST KEEPING IN LINE WITH WHAT IS ALREADY THERE. IN REGARDS TO SPECIAL PRIVILEGE, GRANTING THE VARIANCE IS NOT CONFIRMED UPON THE APPLICANT A SPECIAL PRIVILEGE, AS ANY OTHER SIMILARLY SITUATED PROPERTY AND PROPERTY OWNER MAY APPLY FOR THE VARIANCE IN THIS CASE. ACCORDING TO THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE, IT WOULD REQUIRE ANY ADDITION TO THE PROPERTY TO COMPLY WITH THE SETBACKS. BUILDING IN THE SPACE WOULD DISRUPT THE OPEN SPACE IN THE CENTER OF THAT LOT THAT HAS EXISTED SINCE 1900. SO IF AN ADDITION WAS TO BE CONSTRUCTED, IF IT WENT IN THAT PERMISSIBLE BUILDING ENVELOPE, IT WOULD DISRUPT THAT RHYTHM OF THE LOT IN THAT EXISTING OPEN SPACE. ON ITEM FOUR, REGARDING MINIMUM VARIANCE, WHICH MEANS THE VARIANCE REQUESTED THE MINIMUM VARIANCE NEEDED THAT WILL MAKE POSSIBLE THE REASONABLE USE OF THE LAND STRUCTURE OR BUILDING, STAFF SOMEWHAT STRUGGLED WITH THIS CRITERIA, AND THIS IS WHY THE HTC IS HERE, TO HAVE THAT KIND OF HISTORIC TAKE ON IT. WE WROTE, THE SETBACK VARIANCE IS NOT THE MINIMUM VARIANCE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE AN ADDITION. AN ADDITION'S DESIGN COULD BE MORE ALTERED TO ALLOW FOR MORE OPEN SPACE ALONG THE PROPERTY ALONG THAT WESTERN OR THAT INTERIOR PROPERTY LINE. HOWEVER, THAT WOULD NOT CHANGE ITS EXISTING NONCONFORMITY OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND WOULD LIKELY ALTER THE HISTORIC LAYOUT OF THE BUILDINGS AND OPEN SPACE OF THE LOT. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT FURTHER. I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF WORDS. GENERAL HARMONY, STAFF FINDS THIS IS IN GENERAL HARMONY WITH THE ADJACENT HISTORIC DISTRICT. MANY, MAYBE A MAJORITY OF HISTORIC HOMES DO NOT COMPLY WITH MODERN SETBACK AND ZONING LAWS. AND THE PUBLIC INTEREST, THE PRESERVATION AND CONTINUED USE OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST, GRANTING VARIANCES COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES THAT WILL NOT CAUSE INJURY TO THE AREA OR OTHERWISE BE JUDGMENTAL TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE, AND ENVIRONMENT. AND THEN THE CRITERIA FOR THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND CRA PRETTY MUCH MIRROR WHAT WE'VE JUST GONE THROUGH. IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE SPECIFICALLY, I'D BE HAPPY TO DIG INTO THEM. AND THEN THE SAME KIND OF HANG UP ON THE MINIMUM VARIANCE. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE DEFAULTING TO THE HGC DECISION BASED ON HISTORIC FACTORS. HERE ARE SOME SAND BOARD MAPS THAT SHOWS THAT OPEN SPACE HAS EXISTED SINCE 1897 THROUGH 1903 AND THROUGH 1909. AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED ADDITION, HOW IT WOULD PRESERVE THAT OPEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE AND HAVE THAT ADDITION COME AROUND THE BACK TO BE IN LINE WITH THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURE. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, BUT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE. YOU HAVE A LOT OF PUMPING GOING ON IN THERE. JUST ONE. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION. IF, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE, I'M TRYING TO REAR MY BRAIN AROUND IT. IS THIS, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DISTURBING LAND NOW WITH THIS, BECAUSE IF WE'RE DISTURBING LAND, I THINK AN ARCHEOLOGICAL SURVEY NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF THE VARIANCE OR PART OF THE NEXT. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE PART OF THE APPROVAL OF THE ADDITION. OKAY. THAT'S OUT OF THE KNOWING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH THE CRITERIA AND PUTTING EVERYTHING OUT THERE. OH, YEAH. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING HISTORICALLY AT THIS OPEN SPACE WITH THE OLD SANBORN MAPS. IS THAT KIND OF A TRICKY THING TO RELY ON, BECAUSE THEN YOU COULD SAY BASICALLY FOR SO MANY THINGS, WELL, THIS SPACE HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN OPEN, SO WE CAN'T BUILD ON IT. I THINK IT'S A KIND OF UNIQUE CASE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT TROLLEY HOUSE, ALLEGED TROLLEY HOUSE THAT'S REALLY ON THE PROPERTY LINE. SO, THERE IS THAT VAST SEPARATION. LIKE, AT ONE POINT, IT WAS A GROCERY STORE, SO THAT WAS VERY SEPARATE FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. AND I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THE FRONT FACADE AND THAT SOUTH ELEVATION. THOSE ARE, WITH THIS VARIANCE, WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE UNDISTURBED BY AN ADDITION. YEAH, BASICALLY EVERYTHING ON THIS LOT IS NONCONFORMING. CORRECT. EVERY SINGLE WALL AND BUILDING IS NONCONFORMING. AND THE LOT ITSELF. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THEY ACTUALLY, THEY DID, THE LOT NEXT DOOR, [03:30:01] THEY SPLIT A 22, 28 DIVISION. SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S THIS WEIRD THING, AND THEN THIS ONE, AND THAT WAS DONE A LONG, LONG TIME AGO. IT WAS PROBABLY IN FAMILY, AND THEY JUST SAID, LET'S JUST, YOU GET THIS, WE'LL TAKE THIS. SO, I THINK THAT GIVES US A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR SUPPORTING THIS VARIANCE. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T TAKE VARIANCES LIGHTLY, AND WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONDITIONS ARE MET AND IT'S PROVEN. AND I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES HERE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? AND I WILL JUST TOUCH ON ONE MORE POINT. THE WORDING OF THE VARIANCE IS A LITTLE ODD, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT VARIANCE OF 20 FEET FOR THE ADDITION, THAT'S REDUCED TO 5'6", AND THEN FOR THE PORCH, IT'S 10 FEET. AND I'LL JUST CLARIFY THAT, BECAUSE PORCHES ARE ALLOWED TO ENCROACH INTO THE REAR SETBACK BY 10 FEET. SO, THAT KIND OF PLAYS INTO THE MINIMUM VARIANCE. THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR MORE THAN WHAT IS ALREADY THE EXTENT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. AND I WOULD ALSO ARGUE ON THAT POINT, IF THIS LOT WAS FACING BEACH THE WAY ALL THE OTHERS, THE FOUR ORIGINAL LOTS OF RECORDS WERE, THAT WOULD BE A SIDE YARD, WHICH WOULD HAVE A 5' VARIANCE. YES. SETBACK. SETBACK. SORRY. SETBACK. YEAH. OR HOWEVER MUCH THAT WIDTH IS. YOU'RE GOING 5'6", OR 5'7", I THINK. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. WHAT COMES NEXT? APPLICANT. APPLICANT. MICHAEL STAUFFER, ARCHITECT, 1417 SADLER ROAD, FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. YES, MIA, THANK YOU. THE LAYOUT HERE IS EXACTLY KIND OF OUR CASE. I THINK ONE THING TO ADD TO THIS WITH THE PHOTO OF THE EXTERIOR THAT YOU SEE, AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THIS. THAT WALL CONNECTS, AND KIND OF, IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT THAT, SAYING, HEY, THIS IS JUST AN OPEN SPACE BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS, IT'S KIND OF NOW CONNECTED TO BECOME SORT OF THIS COURTYARD ELEMENT. IT'S UNIQUE IN DOWNTOWN IN SO MANY WAYS. AND LIKE I SAID, WHEN I MOVED HERE IN 1988, I USED TO WALK DOWN THIS THING, AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY. AND IT'S KIND OF BECOME, AND I THINK THE WALL ADDS TO CREATING THAT SENSE OF SPACE THAT WAS THERE THAT WOULDN'T BE IF JUST SOME EMPTY LOT WAS IN BETWEEN SOMEBODY ELSE. THIS IS KIND OF, AS YOU SEE IN THE SANDBORN MAPS, 1909, THE FOOTPRINTS OF THE BUILDINGS EXISTED SORT OF AT THIS. SO OVER 117 YEARS OF THIS. THE ADDITION TO THE HOUSE, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE CURRENT EAST, THE WEST SIDE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING IS WHAT WE'RE LINING UP WITH. SO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY EXTENSION OF THAT. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF GOES TO THE SECOND CASE, REALLY. THE IDEA THAT WE'RE PRESERVING THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THE EAST ELEVATION, THE NORTH ELEVATION TO THE MOST PART, WE ARE CHANGING A COUPLE OF WINDOWS, BUT REALLY FROM THE STREET BY BEING ABLE, IF WE HAD TO PUT THE ADDITION IN THE CURRENTLY ALLOWED SETBACK AREA, IT'S KIND OF EGREGIOUS. I MEAN, IT REALLY JUST RUINS THE SITE AND RUINS THE POTENTIAL USE OF THIS PROPERTY AND WOULD THEN ENCROACH ON THE HISTORIC ELEVATIONS OF THE EXISTING HOUSE. SO WE BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING THAT WAS IN QUESTION THAT WAS WRITTEN ON THERE WAS IS THIS THE MINIMUM? IT'S A 37% INCREASE IN SIZE. IT'S ONLY A LITTLE OVER 500 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION. IT'S NOT 1,000 SQUARE FOOT OF ADDITION. ADDING A PORCH. AND AGAIN, TRYING TO CREATE SOME NEW ELEMENTS WITH THOSE. AND THERE ARE DECKS AND OTHER ELEMENTS THERE THAT WE'RE KIND OF REPLACING. SO THERE IS SOME ARCHITECTURE THERE THAT WE DIDN'T COUNT IN THIS BECAUSE IT WAS JUST OPEN DECKS THAT WE'RE KIND OF REPLACING. SO WE THINK THAT THIS WAS A SITE, AN HISTORIC SENSITIVE ADDITION, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS VARIANCE. AND TO THE POINT EARLIER, TOO, ABOUT THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A SIDE YARD SETBACK. THE HOUSE TO THE WEST ALSO JUST DID MAJOR ADDITION RENOVATION. THEY BASICALLY TURNED THEIR BACK TO THIS PROPERTY, SO WE'RE NOT SUPER IMPACTING. PLUS, IT WERE A ONE-STORY HOUSE AND ONE-STORY ADDITION SURROUNDED BY TWO-STORY HOUSES. SO WE THINK THAT WE HAVE BEEN AS SENSITIVE AS WE CAN BE TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? SEEING NONE, WE MOVE INTO BOARD DISCUSSION. WHAT SAY THE BOARD? I DON'T TAKE AN EXCEPTION OF IT. I WOULD SUPPORT IT. NO, JUST FOR EVERY REASON THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, IT JUST TOTALLY MAKES SENSE. AND WITH THE NEXT CASE, IF THIS IS APPROVED, IT DOES TOTALLY MAKE SENSE TO PUT THAT ADDITION IN THE BACK LINING UP [03:35:03] WITH THE BACK OF THE EXISTING OR THE WEST WALL. SO YEAH, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF IT. BOB, YOU GOOD? YEAH, NO, IT JUST UNIFORMS THE WALL. TO ME, THE ODDEST THING WOULD BE SEEING THIS FUNKY STEP BACK IN THE WALL. IT ALMOST LOOKS MORE LIKE A RANSOM NOTE THAN MAKING THE WALL RIGHT. AND THE BEHEMOTH WHITE STRUCTURE THAT WENT UP, THIS WILL KIND OF SOFTEN THAT FACADE. SURE. DO I HEAR A MOTION SOMEWHERE OVER THERE? YOU WANT ME TO MOTION? YEAH. YOU GOT IT? YEAH. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDCB 2026-0001 WITHOUT CONDITIONS. AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACTS AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD. THAT HDC CASE 2026-0001 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS, AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINE TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. AND MAY I JUST ASK YOU TO AMEND THE MOTION TO SAY TO WARRANT GRANTING THE VARIANCE? OH. I THINK THAT WOULD JUST BE CLEAR. I MOVE TO APPROVE EVERYTHING YOU SAID, HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT GRANTING THE VARIANCE. TO WARRANT GRANTING THE VARIANCE. THANK YOU. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND? MEMBER SALA? [5.8 HDC2026-0030 - MICHAEL STAUFFER, ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR CLAIRE O. BOWEN, TRUSTEE OF THE STATESBORO OLLIFF TRUST U/A, 125 S. 6TH STREET] YES. MEMBER BYRNES ? YES. MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? YES. MEMBER RILEY? YES. AND MEMBER KOSACK? YES. ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. WE'RE AT HDC 2026-0030. THIS IS THE FOLLOW-UP CASE TO GRANTING THE VARIANCE. THIS IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE ADDITION THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED SINCE THE VARIANCE IS GRANTED ON THE LOT. SO WE HAVE THAT SITE PLAN AGAIN. HERE IS THAT PROPOSED ADDITION WITH THE STEPS COMING OUT. AND THEN HERE IS THAT EXISTING PRIMARY STRUCTURE. WE'VE GOT EAST ELEVATIONS. SO THIS IS FROM NORTH, SOUTH 6TH STREET. THIS IS FROM BASICALLY THE TROLLEY HOUSE LOOKING BACK INTO THE COURTYARD. THIS IS FROM THE REAR. AND THIS IS FROM THE NORTH SIDE. SINCE THIS IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPLIANT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND JUST WOULD EXPECT THAT FINAL, ALL THOSE MATERIAL CALL-OUTS AND SOMEWHAT CONSTRUCTION-LEVEL DRAWINGS AT 6TH STREET. CONSTRUCTION-LEVEL DRAWINGS THAT TIME THE FINAL APPROVAL, BUT STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL AT THIS TIME. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IN THE ONE THAT SAYS RELOCATED SHED, SO IS THAT SHED NOT THERE NOW? SO THE SHED IS THERE. IT'S KIND OF WHERE THE ADDITION IS GOING TO GO. SO THEY'RE JUST GOING TO SLIDE IT OVER A LITTLE BIT SO THEY CAN HAVE THAT DECK AND ADDITION. IT SHOWS IN THE SURVEY WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY LOCATED, WHICH IS RIGHT WHERE THE KITCHEN IS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT THAT SAY, OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? COME ON UP. COME ON DOWN. REPEAT. MICHAEL STAUFFER, ARCHITECT, 1417 SADLER ROAD, FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS, AND WE'VE ALREADY HEARD, GOT A LITTLE ADDITION OF A LIVING ROOM, DINING ROOM, KITCHEN, AND A SCREEN PORCH ON THE BACK OF THIS HOUSE. ROUGHLY ABOUT 500 SQUARE FEET OF CONDITION, 200 SQUARE FEET ON THE SCREEN PORCH. ONE-STORY STRUCTURE, NOT TO EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. WE LOCATED THIS IN ORDER TO KIND OF PRESERVE THE VIEWS OF THE EXISTING HOUSE. AND WE WILL PROVIDE CONSTRUCTION-LEVEL DRAWINGS WHEN WE COME FOR FINAL APPROVAL, MATERIAL CALL-OUTS, COLORS. OBVIOUSLY, THE LANDSCAPE AREAS, YOU KNOW, PAVING AND STUFF WAS KIND OF CONCEPTUAL FOR US AS WELL. SO WE'LL CERTAINLY CLARIFY THAT AND BRING IN MATERIALS LISTS FOR ANY OF THE PAVERS AND OTHER THINGS WE WOULD DO. AND I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, SO WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU BECAUSE YOUR DRAWINGS ARE JUST REALLY GOOD AND REALLY DETAILED. AND I SO APPRECIATE, ESPECIALLY AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL, THAT YOU PROVIDE THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL. AND, YOU KNOW, WE SEE ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF DRAWINGS HERE AND DIFFERENT QUALITIES. BUT I THINK WHENEVER I SEE A PROJECT WITH YOUR NAME, I'M LIKE, OH, WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME REALLY GOOD DRAWINGS. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I APPRECIATE THE DETAIL AND THE CALL-OUTS. IT JUST MAKES IT EASY FOR US TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SCOPE [03:40:01] OF WORK IS. I ALWAYS WANT TO PRINT THEM AND FRAME THEM. COLOR THEM UP. YOU KNOW, COLORING BOOK AND COLOR. ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK I DID HAVE ONE COMMENT. OH, YEAH. ON THE BACK, WHERE WE'RE GETTING SO CLOSE TO THE WHITE BEHEMOTH. JUST SO YOU KNOW, PREPARE FOR INTERIOR WINDOW COVERINGS. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHEN WE GET YAMINA NONCONFORMING 2, AND I HAVE BEAUTIFUL VIEWS, UNTIL THEY PUT THE WHITE BEHEMOTH NEXT TO ME. AND I HAVE TO LITERALLY LOSE SIX WINDOWS BECAUSE I'M EITHER LOOKING AT HIS TRUCK OR, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT'S RIGHT THERE FOUR FEET FROM ME. SO, YOU KNOW, JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A SCREEN PORCH. AND YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE. MAYBE YOU CAN DO SOME VEGETATIVE SCREEN, WHICH WOULD BE NICE. BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'VE DONE, ALL OF YOU, IS THE ARTICULATION UP AND THE DOWN. YOU KNOW, THE SKYLINE THAT WE'RE SEEING IS JUST REALLY, REALLY BEAUTIFUL. AND IT LOOKS LIKE AN OLD HOUSE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE MAYBE TACKED ON A COUPLE OF THINGS OVER TIME INSTEAD OF JUST, HERE'S MY NEW WHITE HOUSE. OKAY. BOARD DISCUSSION. OKAY, LET'S GO. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. DO WE DO THE PUBLIC COMMENT? OH, YES. SORRY. PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYBODY? OKAY, THAT'S IT. BOARD. GO. OKAY. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC 2026-0030 WITHOUT CONDITIONS. AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSION, LAW PART OF THE RECORD. THAT HDC CASE 2026-0030, AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR'S STANDARDS, AND HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. ONE-EYED SALA, THERE YOU GO. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND. POOR GUY. ALL RIGHT. THEY GOT A SECOND. HEATHER? HEATHER? OKAY. [5.9 HDC 2026-0032 - TILTON CONSTRUCTION, AGENT FOR LINDA SMITH-FERNANDEZ, 214 S. 5TH STREET] MEMBER RILEY? YES. MEMBER SALA? YES. MEMBER BYRNES ? YES. MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? YES. VICE CHAIR PSULKOWSKI? YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OUR FINAL CASE FOR THE EVENING, HDC 20260032 IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 214 SOUTH 5TH STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A FINAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A ONE-STORY ADDITION, A NEW COVERED ENTRY PORCH, AND A FRONT BAY WINDOW ADDITION, AND A ROOF TO COVER THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THE ADDITION. I WILL NOTE THAT THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE BASED ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S SITE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1952. THERE IS NO LISTING OF THIS IN OUR LIST OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES, AND THERE IS NO FLORIDA MASTER SITE FILE FOR IT. SO I COULDN'T FIND A LOT OF HISTORICAL INFORMATION, BUT IT IS NON-CONTRIBUTING TO OUR DISTRICT. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE SITS ON A LITTLE BIT TO THE LEFT OF THE LOT, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING A NEW ROOMED ADDITION WITH THE COVERED PORCHES ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK AND ENTRY STEPS. THIS IS THE EXISTING ELEVATION FROM THE FRONT, AND THESE ARE THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS. SO THE ROOF WOULD UNITE BOTH THE EXISTING AND THE ADDITION, AND THIS BAY WINDOW WOULD BE ADDED ON HERE. THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION FROM THE BACK, AND YOU CAN SEE THE ADDITION HERE WITH THE STEPS KIND OF COMING DOWN. AND HERE IS THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT ELEVATIONS. AND BASED ON THE STATUS OF THE STRUCTURE AS NON-CONTRIBUTING, STAFF CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL AT THIS TIME OF THE ADDITION. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY NONE? ANY QUESTIONS? OH, I'M NOT EVEN SURE. I'LL BE IN THE PASSENGER SEAT. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I'M GOOD, TAMMY. ANYBODY ELSE? I'M NOT SEEING ANY. WOULD THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME UP IF YOU'RE HERE? WE GET A LITTLE PUNCHY ABOUT THIS TIME. PLEASE DON'T. OLIVER TILTON, TILTON CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, 1417 SATHER ROAD. [03:45:01] WE HAD A PO BOX AT THE SAME PLACE THAT STOFFER DOES. SO IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. IT'S JUST A LITTLE ADDITION. SHE HAD SOME ROOF TROUBLES, AND THAT'S WHERE THIS ALL STARTED. WE GOT IN THERE, WE LOOKED AT IT, AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ROOF LINES. AND SHE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT I REALLY WANT IS IF I COULD JUST COME OUT A FEW FEET AND ADD TO THIS. AND I SAID, WELL, IN THAT CASE, WE COULD TILE THIS TOGETHER AND RE-ROOF THIS THING AND MAKE IT LOOK NICE. CAN YOU? YEAH. THERE. OH, THIS ONE. RIGHT THERE. SO IT'S NOT CHANGING A WHOLE LOT FROM THE STREET VIEW. SHE WAS ACCESSING THROUGH THIS GREEN PORCH ON THE LEFT, WHICH YOU CAN'T SEE HER FRONT DOOR, BUT SHE DID COME UP ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE. AND NOW WE JUST HAVE THIS DOOR ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE. QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SO YOU ARE, ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT CONFORMING. IT IS A SWEET LITTLE HOUSE, AND I DO LIKE RIDING MY BIKE BY IT ALL THE TIME. YOU'RE PROPOSING THE ENTIRE ROOF STRUCTURE, EXISTING ROOF STRUCTURE, ROOF PLANES ARE ALL COMING DOWN, AND YOU'RE PUTTING AN ENTIRELY NEW ROOF OVER THE EXISTING HOUSE AND NEW ADDITION. RIGHT, CORRECT. IF YOU'LL LOOK HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE DOTTED LINE. SO THAT'S THE EXISTING ROOF STRUCTURE. BUT THEN YOU'RE CHANGING WHERE THE PORCH IS ON THE NORTH SIDE. YOU'RE REPLACING THAT ROOF AS WELL. WE ARE REPLACING THAT ROOF, YES. AND CHANGING THE ROOF PITCH, THE WHOLE NEW ROOF. RIGHT, SO IT'S A GABLE END COMING INTO A HIP THERE. BUT CURRENTLY SHE HAS SEVERAL ROOF PITCHES. THERE'S A FLAT ROOF ON THE BACK THAT'S LEAKING. I REPRESENT MS. SMITH WHO'S HERE. THERE'S A FLAT ROOF ON THE BACK THAT'S LEAKING. THERE'S ANOTHER ON THAT SIDE PORCH THAT'S EXISTING. THERE WAS SOME KIND OF OTHER LITTLE GABLE, SOME MULTITUDE OF PITCHES. AND THE BEST WAY FOR HER TO FIX, THE BEST WAY FOR US TO FIX IT PROPERLY AND FOR HER IS TO DO IT THIS WAY. AND WE REFRAME THE WHOLE THING. ARE WE CONCEPTUAL OR FINAL? OKAY. AND THE NEW ROOF OVER THE NEW ENTRANCE INTO THE, OR THE ENTRANCE INTO THE NEW ART STUDIO. THAT IS GOING TO BE ROOFED OVER AS WELL. THAT'S CORRECT. EVERYTHING TO THE RIGHT, THIS WILL BE NEW FRAME. SO YOU'RE NOT OVER ROOFING, YOU'RE RIPPING. WE'RE GOING TO BE MOSTLY RIPPING, CORRECT. JUST TO GET BACK TO GET ALL THE BAD OUT. GOOD WOOD, YEAH. BUT THERE'S OVER THE NEW LITTLE PORCH ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THE FRONT SOUTH SIDE. SO THE FRONT ELEVATION ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THERE'S A NEW PORCH. IS THERE A ROOF OVER THAT OR IS THERE TWO? AND I THINK THAT THE ANSWER IS YES, BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. OR IS THERE TWO DIFFERENT ROOF PLANES THERE? NO, IT'S JUST ONE. OKAY. LOOK AT THE RIGHT ELEVATION. YEAH, NO IDEA. I JUST WANT TO, I JUST, I. THERE YOU GO. YEAH. ALL RIGHT, YEP. AND LOOK AT THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE TROLLEY HOUSE. SO NOW WE'RE MAKING A TROLLEY HOUSE AGAIN. SHOOT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. THANKS, SIR. THANK YOU. WILL IT REMAIN PINK? PROBABLY. GOOD. WELL, YOU GOT PINK DETAILS ON IT, DON'T YOU? I CALL IT THE PINK PETTIE FLOOR. YEAH. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT IF ANYONE WOULD WISH TO DISCUSS, NOT SEEING ANY, GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, MOVE TO BOARD DISCUSSION. I MEAN, IT'S A BIG PROJECT TO RIP OFF ALL THESE ROOFS, BUT THE DAMAGE IS PRETTY BAD AND IT'S A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. AND IT'S WEIRD BECAUSE IT'S FROM 1952. I KNOW. I'VE WALKED PAST THIS HOUSE A BUNCH. I NEVER WOULD HAVE FIGURED. AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IMPROVEMENT FOR THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE, AND IT'S STILL RETAINING THE ESSENCE OF THE LITTLE COTTAGE THAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. THE ONLY THING I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN IS SOMEHOW STILL MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF THAT FRONT LITTLE PIECE, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS KIND OF GETTING TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE ROOF OVER THE NEW, SO THAT LITTLE FRONT THERE IS STILL PROMINENT WHERE I THINK IT WILL BE LOST, AND I FEEL LIKE IT WILL BE LOST IN THE ADDITION, WITH THE ADDITION AND THE CHANGE IN THE ROOFS. DEFINITELY. WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, THE LITTLE GABLE? YEAH, I THINK THAT WHOLE EXISTING GABLE IS GOING [03:50:01] TO BE DONE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A BIGGER GABLE CENTERED OVER THE WHOLE FRONT. YEAH, I THINK PROBABLY IF THE ROOF DIDN'T NEED TO COME OFF, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE OVER-FRAMED IT. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S THE LATTER. BUT IF IT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONTRIBUTING. AND I THINK, TOO, WITH THE CHANGE-UP OF MATERIALS WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE SHED ROOF OVER THE TRIPLE WINDOWS, THAT MIGHT BREAK UP THAT BIG GABLE A LITTLE BIT. YEAH, AGREED. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? DO I HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION, IF YOU NEED IT. OKAY. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC-2026-0032 WITHOUT CONDITIONS, AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD, THAT HDC CASE HDC-2026-032 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARD, AND THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN FERNANDINA BEACH DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. I SECOND. I HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. MEMBER KOSACK? YES. MEMBER SALA? YES. MEMBER BYRNES ? YES. MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? YES. [6. BOARD BUSINESS] VICE CHAIR PSULKOWSKI? YES. THANK YOU FOR WAITING AND YOUR PATIENCE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON RIGHT ALONG TO BOARD BUSINESS. MARGARET AND I ARE PRESENTING AT A CONFERENCE ON OCTOBER 15TH IN MIAMI, SO I'M PROBABLY GOING TO SEND OUT SOME ALTERNATIVE DATES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THIS ROOM IN HOPEFULLY THE CLOSE PROXIMITY OF OCTOBER 15TH. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE PEOPLE A HEADS UP ON THAT. SO IF YOU WERE PLANNING TO BE OUT OF TOWN ON THE 15TH, GO AHEAD AND GO. AND THEN WITH THE OLD TOWN PRESERVATION DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES, I'M STILL IN THE PROCESS OF DRAFTING THOSE. YOU GUYS HAVE A REALLY ROUGH DRAFT IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET. I KNOW THERE ARE TYPOS AND PICTURES OUT OF PLACE AND THINGS IN THE WRONG FONT COLOR, BUT I WANTED TO PUT IT BACK ON YOUR AGENDA IN CASE THERE'S ANYTHING YOU GUYS WANTED TO BRING UP AT THIS MEETING FOR ME TO CONTINUE WORKING ON. AT THIS MEETING? IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION ONLY. I DIDN'T PUT IT ON LAST TIME AND BOB WAS UPSET. MAYBE WE CAN PUT IT ON WHEN WE HAVE MAYBE FOUR CASES. OKAY. JUST TO JUMP BACK TO THE MEETING, THEN IT'S THE CHANGE IN THE MEETING DATE, BUT WE STILL GET AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME TO REVIEW THE PROJECTS. ABSOLUTELY. AND ALL THE TIME. OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO ASK BOB IF IT'S OKAY IF WE MOVE THE OLD TOWN GUIDELINES TO THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. I HEAR OKAY FROM BOB. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND THEN TWO OTHER THINGS REALLY QUICKLY. I DON'T THINK I'VE BEEN BACK HERE SINCE OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES WERE OFFICIALLY, OFFICIALLY ADOPTED, SO THEY ARE. SO ANY APPLICATION COMING THROUGH STARTING NOW WILL HAVE TO KIND OF ABIDE BY THOSE. SO, YES MA'AM. WHEN YOU DO OUR STAFF REPORTS, THE HOT LINK STILL TAKES US TO THE OLD GUIDELINES, JUST FYI. GOTCHA. OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT I'LL PROBABLY BE CALLING OUT PAGE REFERENCES IN MY STAFF REPORT, REFERENCING BACK TO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES SO WE CAN GET USED TO NAVIGATING THOSE. MCKENNA AND MARGARET AND I ARE ALSO PLANNING SOME OUTREACH, SOME TABLING OUTSIDE AND ALSO PROBABLY AN IN-HOUSE SESSION WHERE I KIND OF GO THROUGH AND EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC AND TO YOU GUYS IF YOU'RE WANTING TO COME, HOW TO NAVIGATE THOSE GUIDELINES AND WHAT THINGS I'LL BE LOOKING FOR. AND ALSO ONE BIG PIECE OF NEWS FOR THIS BOARD IS THAT THE BOSCO BELLO NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION WAS FORWARDED TO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. SO IT PASSED FROM THE FLORIDA REVIEW BOARD AND NOW IT'S UP ON ITS FINAL STOP TO BE ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, WHICH IS A BIG, BIG, BIG, BIG DEAL. THAT IS GOOD. SO MCKENNA AND I WENT TO TALLAHASSEE TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENED. BUT ALSO MEMBERS FROM THE AMELIA ISLAND RESTORATION FOUNDATION, THE CITY, OUR CONSULTANTS WITH TERRACON, EVERYONE, IT WAS A HUGE TEAM EFFORT AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT RECOGNITION. I DO WANT TO ASK ONE QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK MARGARET TRIED TO CLARIFY IT FOR ME THE OTHER DAY. SO AS I'M LOOKING AT OLD TOWN GUIDELINES, THE NEW AND THE OLD, I FIND THAT IN THE NEW ONES WE'VE DELETED SECTIONS THAT WERE IN THE OLD ONE. BY THAT DELETION, [03:55:01] WE CREATE A VOID IN SOME OF THE RULES AND EXPECTATIONS OF OLD TOWN. BASICALLY, AS WE DISCUSSED, THEN THE CITY'S EXISTING GUIDELINES OVERRULE THAT VOID. I CAN TAKE A LOOK WITH YOU OFFLINE AND WE CAN TRY TO IDENTIFY WHERE THOSE SECTIONS MAY HAVE GONE. ONE OF THEM JUMPS OUT THAT THERE IS A PARAGRAPH ON PAGE 53 THAT SAYS, THE TRADITION OF OLD TOWN IS TO NOT IMPEDE THE USE OF BOATS AND TRAILERS PARKING ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY SIDE LOTS, WHATEVER. IF WE PULL THAT OUT, THAT CREATES A VOID. AND THE LDC CODE SAYS YOU CAN ONLY PARK IT IN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING, FULLY COVERED CARPORT OR A SIDE LOT. SO TO SOME PEOPLE, THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHERE THEY PARK THEIR BOATS IF THE TONGUE'S OUT OF A CARPORT, OUT OF A BUILDING. SO I JUST UNDERSTAND WE TOOK A WHOLE HISTORICAL SECTION OUT OF THE WHOLE... WE PUT THE OLD GUIDELINES HAD HISTORICAL VALUE OF 16 PAGES. THE NEW GUIDELINES, IT'S ONE PAGE, THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. SO I JUST NEED TO CLARIFY THAT IF WE PULL SOMETHING OUT AND THERE'S NOTHING TO POINT AT, THEN AS MARGARET AND TONY, BASICALLY THE LDC TAKES OVER. I'LL MAKE MY COMMENTS AS TO WHAT WE SHOULD ADD BACK TO THE NEW ONES TO COVER THAT VOID. ANOTHER ONE THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME IS IN THE OLD GUIDELINES, WE REALLY DON'T ADDRESS RIGHT-OF-WAYS. BUT IN THE NEW GUIDELINES, IT SAYS VEHICLES ARE ALLOWED TO PARK IN RIGHT-OF-WAYS. WELL, THAT'S A BIG CHANGE TOO WHERE THERE WAS A VOID AND THEN WE CREATED A... NOW IS A VEHICLE A TRAILER? NO, WE CLARIFIED VEHICLE WAS A CAR. I THINK WE NEED TO SIT DOWN TOGETHER AND LOOK, BECAUSE IN MY HEAD THERE'S LIKE FOUR DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE GUIDELINES. SO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING NEW AND OLD, I'M KIND OF FORGETTING THAT. WELL, I'M ONLY GOING BY THE ONES THAT ARE LISTED ON THE SITE. YOU'VE GOT 2013. SO IS THAT THE OLD ONES YOU'RE LOOKING AT? 2013 AND THEN IT SAYS PROPOSED 2026. AND I CLICK ON THAT AND THOSE ARE THE TWO. ON THE WEBSITE? BOTH OF THESE... SO THIS IS ONE LINK, WHICH IS THE 2013S, AND THEN THE OTHER LINK IS THESE. THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE? YEP. OKAY, THAT SHOULD NOT BE ON THE WEBSITE. OH, IT SHOULDN'T BE ON THE WEBSITE. OUR DISCUSSION, THOUGH, IS TO BRING ANY OF THESE THINGS FORWARD AND SEE... RIGHT, RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO... THOSE SHOULD NOT BE... THE DISCUSSION'S FINE. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, AS WE MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING, I GET VERY DETAILED. I WANT TO MAKE SURE AS I'M READING THESE, I NOW HAVE TO FILL WHERE THE VOIDS FILL IN. CAN I HAVE A COUPLE MINUTES? I LIVE IN OLD TOWN. IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME UP AND SAY YOUR NAME AND ACCEPT... I DON'T KNOW. HAVE WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT YET? NOT YET. I'M SORRY. IT'S UP TO THE CHAIR, BUT IF YOU WERE GOING TO SPEAK... WE'RE GOING TO FINISH THIS CONVERSATION, THOUGH. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE AS I'M READING THIS, I'M FILLING THE VOIDS WITH THE RIGHT LDC CODE THAT WOULD FILL THAT IN. IF I CAN PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH... OH, BY ALL MEANS. ARE YOU ASKING, LIKE, FOR RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TO GO BY WHAT CODES HAVE BEEN ADOPTED. WE DON'T LOOK AT THE NEW CODE, THE NEW VETS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. CORRECT, CORRECT, CORRECT. BY REFERENCE, WHAT'S ADOPTED NOW. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE VOIDS AND THE HOLES. HEY, BOB. THAT'S FINE. YOU DIDN'T PULL THEM OFF THE WEBSITE. YOU PULLED THEM FROM THE AGENDA PACKET, THE NEW VERSION. I PULLED THESE OFF THE WEBSITE, AND MR. GREEN, I ACTUALLY SENT THEM LINKS TO IT BECAUSE I SAID, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE COMPARISONS HERE. I'M NOT FINDING THAT ON OUR WEBSITE. WHERE DID YOU FIND THAT? I'LL FORWARD THE EMAIL THAT HAD THE LINKS ON IT. OKAY. BECAUSE THIS IS OUR DESIGN GUIDELINES PAGE, AND IF I CLICK ON OLD, THERE'S ONLY ONE OLD TOWN OPTION, AND THAT'S THE 2013 ONE. IF YOU CLICK ON, IF YOU GO TO THE CITY WEBSITE AND YOU JUST PLUG IN OLD TOWN GUIDELINES, THE FIRST ONE THAT COMES UP IS THE 2021 UPDATE. RIGHT. AND WHICH ARE NOW LISTED AS 2026. I'LL JUST STATE FOR THE RECORD THE GUIDELINES THAT WE OPERATE OFF [04:00:01] OF AND THAT ARE ADOPTED ARE THE 2013 ONES. WE HAVE NOT MADE ANY LEGAL CHANGES TO THOSE. RIGHT. WHICH, RIGHT, WE BROUGHT UP EARLIER WITH MR. SKIPPER'S HOUSE THAT THAT'S THE ONES WE WERE GOING ON THAT SAID YOU SHOULD OR YOU SHOULD NOT. I HAVE THE 2021 REVISION HERE. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING THAT 2026 VERSION ON THE PUBLIC WEBSITE. WE DON'T NEED TO GET IT. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY IF SOMETHING'S MISSING, WHERE DO I GO FIND IT IN THE CITY? BUT THAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE THAT DRAFT SHOULD NOT BE ON THE WEBSITE AS PUBLIC INFORMATION. YEAH, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT ON THE WEBSITE, AND YOU AND ME NEED TO GET TOGETHER AFTERWARDS TO DISCUSS THE NEW AND THE OLD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT. I WOULD PREFER THIS LADY HERE, HEATHER, I WOULD PREFER TO SPEAK WHEN SHE COMES BACK. I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE WHOLE BOARD. OKAY. IF THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S FINE. WHILE WE'RE WAITING, MR. CHAIR, I WAS GOING TO ASK, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A FULL BOARD ON THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, THE 17TH? DO WE KNOW? I'LL BE HERE. I'LL BE HERE. I'LL BE HERE. YEAH, AND THE CHAIR WILL BE BACK, CORRECT? MM-HMM. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO BE GONE AND THE OTHER WAS GOING TO BE GONE. THIS MEETING. WHAT WAS THIS MEETING? YEAH, I KNEW IT WAS THIS MEETING. I THOUGHT THERE WAS TWO, SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS. WAIT, SEPTEMBER WHAT? 17TH. WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON HEATHER TO COME BACK, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE APPLICATIONS FOR ALTERNATES? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT WHAT HAPPENED RUNNING INTO THE VARIANCE APPLICATION TONIGHT TO... WE DON'T HAVE ALTERNATES ANYMORE. YOU DON'T HAVE ALTERNATES. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. OH, IT'S SEVEN. OH, EXCUSE ME. SO WE'RE SIX OUT OF SEVEN RIGHT NOW. AND WE'LL PROPOSE... BOB, FOR THOSE 2026 ONES, I THINK YOU GOT THEM FROM THE AGENDA PACKET. MIA, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT YOU CONFER WITH BOB. OKAY. IT IS NINE O'CLOCK. AND WE HAVE A GENTLEMAN WHO'S HERE TO SPEAK PUBLICLY TO THE BOARD. YES, CHAIR. YOU'RE RIGHT. THE AGENDA PACKET WAS ON THE WEBSITE. YOU'RE RIGHT. SO IT WAS IN THE AGENDA PACKET. IT WAS ON THE WEBSITE AND THE LINK WAS THERE. THAT'S MOST LIKELY YOUR QUESTION. I'M CLOSE TO PLEADING. SORRY, SIR. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO DO THIS, BUT I'D LIKE TO THANK TAMMY BECAUSE I LISTENED. I STOOD OVER THERE AND I LISTENED. FOR ONCE, I HEARD A BOARD MEMBER STICK UP FOR THE CITIZENS. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. I REALLY DO. THANK YOU. BUT GETTING BACK TO THE OLD TOWN GUIDELINES, EVERY MEMBER UP HERE IS A NEW MEMBER FROM WHEN I BUILT MY HOUSE, EXCEPT JAMES. I GUESS HE'S NOT HERE. I WAS HERE. NO. NO, YOU WEREN'T. I WASN'T? OKAY. NO. SO YOU'RE THE SECOND TIME AROUND. YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN CHAIR SPINO SIT RIGHT THERE AND KIND OF SNICKER. WELL, HE'LL BE CHANGED AGAIN, YOU KNOW. THIS BOARD KEEPS A COMMUNITY IN TURMOIL AND ANGER TO WHERE THEY DON'T SPEAK TO EACH OTHER BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CHANGE. WHENEVER THERE'S A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN, JUST LIKE RIGHT NOW, WE WANT TO CHANGE, YOU KNOW. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU ALL A PRIME EXAMPLE, AND I'M GOING TO USE THE BOAT THING, THE BOAT THING. AND I WENT TO THE CITY COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THIS, AND I WON BECAUSE THEY USED COMMON SENSE. ACTUALLY, I GOT A LETTER. IF YOU TAKE MY GARAGE, OKAY, IF YOU TAKE MY GARAGE, AND THE IDEOLOGY OF, I GUESS, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEW RULES? IT'S THE LDC. LDC. I CAN'T PUT MY BOAT THERE. EVEN THOUGH I GOT FOUR LOTS. WELL, ACTUALLY, I GOT THREE LOTS, AND I OWN TOWNGATE. OKAY. I CAN'T PUT MY BOAT THERE. BUT MY NEIGHBOR, HERE'S MY GARAGE. OKAY. WELL, HERE'S MY GARAGE. HERE'S TOWNGATE. HERE'S MY HOUSE. HERE'S AN EMPTY LOT THAT I OWN. OKAY. I JUST PLANTED TREES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT MY GARAGE RIGHT HERE, MY NEIGHBOR THAT LIVES RIGHT NEXT DOOR, IF HE OWNED THAT EXACT GARAGE, HE COULD PUT HIS BOAT THERE. YEAH. EVEN THOUGH I'M PAYING PROBABLY $3,000, $4,000 MORE IN TAXES, THEORETICALLY, [04:05:02] I CAN'T PUT MY BOAT THERE. AND THIS ALL CAME ABOUT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, AND THIS IS WHAT REALLY BURNS ME UP WITH THESE FLIPPERS AND BUILDERS. THEY DON'T GIVE A DARN ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE A BUCK. FILL THAT WALLET UP AND YOU CAN GO. YOU KNOW. THEY WENT TO THE CITY ON MY BOAT. THAT BOAT SAT THERE FOR THREE YEARS. WELL, YOU HAD A BUILDER THAT WAS INCONSIDERATE, BLOCKING THE ROAD, YOU KNOW. BUT SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I GOT SICK OF IT. THERE'S ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT ACCESS THEIR HOMES ON THAT PARTICULAR ROAD, ME AND MY NEIGHBOR. BUT MY THING IS THIS. THREE MINUTES, MR. CHAIR. WHEN YOU KEEP CHANGING IT, AND I CAN TAKE YOU UP THERE. I'M GOING TO NEED YOU TO WORK ON WRAPPING IT UP. OKAY. I'M GOING TO WRAP IT UP. I CAN TAKE YOU UP THERE RIGHT NOW AND SHOW YOU A SHUTTER THAT COST ME $600 ON MY HOUSE. BECAUSE I SAY, OH, IT'S GOT TO BE WOOD. BUT YET I CAN TAKE YOU TWO HOUSES DOWN AND SHOW YOU ALUMINUM ALL THE WAY AROUND THE OVERHANG ON YOUR HOUSE. THAT WAS FINE. YOU KNOW. I MEAN, SO WHEN YOU SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS OUT. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT OUT. WE'RE GOING TO ADD THIS. I THINK THE CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE A BIG SAY SO IN THAT. THERE'S ONLY ONE OF YOU THAT LIVE UP THERE, YOU KNOW. AND TRUST ME. AND I'VE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL OF THEM UP THERE. AND THEY'RE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THIS. THE ONES THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO. HERE WE GO AGAIN. YOU KNOW. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY. I APPRECIATE IT. AND I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, BOB, SITTING TO MY LEFT, I KNOW IS A CHAMPION FOR ADVOCATING FOR THAT AREA. AND THOSE PEOPLE FROM THAT AREA ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME AND TALK JUST LIKE YOU DID TONIGHT. SO YOU HAVE BOB SITTING TO OUR LEFT. LISTEN, I DISAGREE WITH YOU THERE. I DISAGREE WITH YOU. THIS ISN'T ABOUT BOB. THIS ISN'T ABOUT ME. THIS IS ABOUT A COMMUNITY. RIGHT. WE HAD A CHAIRMAN SIT ON THIS BOARD THAT WAS A TYRANT. OKAY. HE WAS A TYRANT. YOU KNOW. HE LOOKED AT SAL CAMELLO AND SAID, YOU TELL ME WHY THIS MAN CAN HAVE THIS GARAGE. YOU SHOW ME. AND SAL SHOWED HIM IN BLACK AND WHITE. AND YOU KNOW WHAT HE SAID? I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. SO I'M VOTING NO. THAT'S TYRANCY. THAT'S TYRANCY. I ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND WATCHED MY MEETING FROM EIGHT YEARS AGO. AND THE CIRCUS THAT WENT ON, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, YOU CAN SEE IT STILL JUST MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL TODAY. YOU KNOW. AND I GOT ONE LAST THING TO SAY. I'LL BET YOU I'M THE ONLY RESIDENT IN FERNANDINA BEACH THAT A HIGH RANKING CITY EMPLOYEE LOOKED ME DEAD SQUARE IN THE EYES AND SAID, WHEN SHE CATCHES ON FIRE SPEAKING TO MY HOUSE, WE'RE GOING TO LET HER BURN TO THE GROUND. YOU UNDERSTAND ME? THAT STILL STICKS IN MY CRAW. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, I'M NOT GOING TO LET THIS CITY DICTATE TO ME HOW I'M GOING TO LIVE MY LIFE WHEN THEY COULD HAVE CARED LESS ABOUT OLD TOWN. THAT PLACE WAS A DUMP WHEN I BOUGHT THAT. MY WIFE AND I CLEANED EVERY BIT OF THAT UP. YOU KNOW. IT WAS A DUMP. BUT NOW IT'S A MONEY THING. IT'S SO WE CAN BRING OUR TROLLEY THROUGH. YOU KNOW. I JUST, LISTEN, MY YARD ALONE, I GOT $30,000 IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS IN GRASS. YOU KNOW. I MEAN, SO, YOU KNOW, NOTHING AGAINST BOB, BUT TO SAY FOR SOMEBODY TO ADVOCATE, IT'S ABOUT RIGHT AND WRONG. I DO WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT, MR. GREEN, AND WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS. WHATEVER HAS BEEN LEFT OUT AND NEEDS TO BE CHANGED IN THE OLD TOWN GUIDELINES, MY AIM IS TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND HEAR WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT REPRESENT YOUR COMMUNITY AND WHAT YOU NEED. LEAVING OUT THAT ITEM ABOUT THE BOATS AND TRAILERS IS AN ERROR. THERE ARE COUNTLESS ERRORS IN THE DRAFT THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE PACKET. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S MEANT TO BE AN OPEN, WORKING FORUM. AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SET UP A PERSONAL MEETING WITH YOU TO GO THROUGH AND WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IN IT. AND I KNOW YOUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR OLD TOWN TO NOT BE A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE HDC TO NOT HAVE. I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY THAT. I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY THAT. YOU KNOW. I WOULDN'T SAY THAT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING AN HISTORIC DISTRICT. I REALLY DON'T. YOU KNOW, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TYRANCY OVER THE PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE UP THERE, [04:10:01] THEY TAKE CARE OF THEIR LAWNS. YOU KNOW, IF WE, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THE ROAD I LIVE ON, THERE'S RUTS. IT'S DEEP. IT'S DEEP. IT'S DEEP. AM I TELLING THE TRUTH, BOB? OH, YEAH. MY DAUGHTER LIVES RIGHT BESIDE ME. YOU CAN'T EVEN WRITE A BOOK DOWN. I THINK WE'RE GETTING OFF TOPIC HERE. BUT I THINK WHAT MIA'S SAYING IS THAT YOU HAVE A POINT OF CONTACT FOR WORKING ON THESE REVISIONS FOR THE OLD TOWN. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE FOLKS OF OLD TOWN HAVE THEIR SAY IN THIS. YES, SIR. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE. IT'S NOT SWEET. AND YOU ALL MAKE THE DECISIONS [7. STAFF REPORT] FOR OUR LIVES. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S MY POINT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. GREEN. COAS? WE HAVE SEVEN STAFF COAS FOR THIS PAST MONTH. THERE WAS A GENERATOR. THERE WAS PATIO PAVERS. THERE WAS A REPAIR TO A BRICK KNEE WALL ON CENTER STREET. SOMEONE PAINTED THEIR HOUSE. THERE WAS IN-KIND MAINTENANCE. AND TWO SIGNS WERE APPROVED ON STAFF LEVEL. I HAVE NO COMMENTS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT COAS? SEEING NONE. WE LOST MY CHEAT SHEET. DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT. WE DID THAT. OH, REALLY? IS THERE A PUBLIC? WE DID IT OUT OF ORDER. DO YOU CARE WITH ME? DO YOU WANT A COMMENT? IS THERE RECYCLING HERE FOR PAPER, LIKE FOR ANY OF THIS STUFF THAT WE DON'T NEED YOU GUYS TO RECYCLE? YEAH, WE CAN PICK THAT. PUBLIC. I MEAN, THERE'S RECYCLING RIGHT IN THE HALLWAY. 24 BY 36. THROW IT OUT. YOU CAN JUST THROW THEM HERE ON THE GROUND. WE'LL PICK THEM UP. ALL RIGHT. IT'S 9:12. I'M GOING TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.