[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
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          THE BOARD REGULAR MEETING AUGUST 12, 2026 CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS. I MOVE YOU OVER. SYLVIE, YOUR CALL AND ROLL. YES, SIR. MEMBER BENNETT? HERE. MEMBER GILLETTE? HERE. MEMBER ROBAS. 
          HERE. MEMBER STEVENSON? HERE. 
          AND CHAIR DOSTER? HERE. VICE CHAIR FOREHAND AND MEMBER GINGHER ARE ABSENT. YES. 
          BARBARA LEFT ME A MESSAGE LATER AND SHE IS SITTING SOMEWHERE IN THE STORM IN CALLAHAN. 
          YEAH. SO, SHE COULDN'T GET TO ANYBODY. SO, SHE SAID, I'LL JUST CONFIRM. I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT, I DON'T THINK. PERFECT. THANK YOU, NICK. YOU WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE? SINCE YOU CALLED ME (INAUDIBLE). 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          [3.1. Approval of the Minutes from the Regular Meeting of July 8, 2026.]
ANY COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS TO LAST MEET. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING WHICH WAS WHAT? JULY THE, WAS IT THE 11TH? 8TH. 8TH. JULY 8TH. SO, JULY 8TH MEETING MINUTES AS WRITTEN APPROVAL. SECOND. 
          SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. AND MARGARET, I TURN THIS OVER TO YOU NOW. YES. SO, WE HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS AND WE HAVE NO NEW BUSINESS. WE DO HAVE BOARD 
          [6.1 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL]
BUSINESS. AND THE FIRST ITEM 6.1 IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL STAFF HAS BEEN WITH NORTHEAST REGIONAL COUNCIL TO PREPARE THIS EAR LETTER. 
          AND SO, WE HAVE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE ALSO WANTED TO GO OVER THE FINDINGS FROM THE VISIONING 2050 PLAN THAT WE'RE STILL CONTINUING TO TWEAK AND GET IT IN ITS FINAL FORM. BUT BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO JEAN WITH THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST RECAP A FEW THINGS. AS PART OF THE EAR PROCESS, WE CONDUCTED SEVERAL INPUT OPPORTUNITIES TO RECEIVE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND JEN WILL GO OVER SOME OF THOSE IN A MINUTE. SURVEY WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE WAYS THAT WE RECEIVED FEEDBACK. THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNITY FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD WHICH ALIGNED WITH EXACTLY WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AND WHAT WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE AND ALSO WERE CAPTURED IN THE SURVEY. 
          SO, EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS LIMITED AMOUNT OF SURVEY PARTICIPATION, THE VERBAL CONTENT, THE VERBAL FEEDBACK WE HEARD AT THE DIFFERENT MEETINGS WHICH WE DOCUMENTED ALIGNED WITH IF THEY HAD DONE THE SURVEY, WE WOULD BE HEARING THE SAME THINGS. 
          SO, THAT THAT MADE US FEEL GOOD. AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE WERE AT SHRIMP FAST FOR TWO DAYS. IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING THAT WE DIDN'T RECEIVE AS THERE WASN'T AS MANY CITIZENS THERE. SO, MOST OF THE PEOPLE WE CONTACT, YOU LIVE IN THE CITY. 
          SO, THAT WE WERE SURPRISED THAT WE DIDN'T GET AS MUCH FEEDBACK AT THAT EVENT, BEING THAT IT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST EVENTS WE HAVE. 
          BUT WE DID RECEIVE SOME AND WE DID LISTEN TO OTHER PEOPLE'S FEEDBACK JUST IN GENERAL ON THE, HOW THINGS WERE GOING AND WHY THEY CAME TO DOWNTOWN. AND THAT KIND OF HELPS US IN OUR, IN OUR DAILY WORK. WE, ON APRIL 13TH, WE WERE AT THE ATLANTIC REC CENTER WHERE WE HAD THE SURVEY AND WE HAD PARTICIPANTS AT. THE NEXT ONE WAS AT THE MLK AUDITORIUM. WE HAD ORIGINALLY WERE GOING TO BE AT PECK, BUT THAT THERE WAS A CONFLICT WITH SOME PAINTING THAT WAS GOING ON AND THEY COULDN'T, COULDN'T CHANGE IT. SO, WE MOVED IT TO THE MLK AUDITORIUM, WHICH WAS KIND OF IN THE SIMILAR OF THE AREA. 
          AND THEN IN MAY, WE WERE AT THE GOLF COURSE. WE KIND OF CHANGED UP SOME OF THE TIMES TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE DEPENDING ON THEIR WORK SCHEDULES. AND THEN WE WERE AT WHILE AMELIA FEST, WHICH WAS WHERE WE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT. SO, THERE WAS A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY AT THAT EVENT VERSUS THE SHRIMP FEST. AND THEN THE WEEK OF JULY 7TH, WE WENT TO THE PUBLIC. WHEN THAT FIRST WEEK PUBLIX OPENED, WE WERE OUT THERE. WE RECEIVED A LOT OF FEEDBACK, HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS, AND IT WAS A REOCCURRING THING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND THE ENVIRONMENT AND PUBLIC TRUST AND ALL OF THAT. AND THEN LAST MONTH, OF COURSE, WE HAD A TELEVISED PRESENTATION TO THIS BOARD TO STILL GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WATCH THESE MEETINGS. 
          SO, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A VIRTUAL MEETING THAT THEY COULD ALSO LOOK AT AND CONTACT US AND THEN ALSO AT ANY OF THE OTHER EVENTS THAT STAFF ATTENDS, BECAUSE WE SEND A LOT OF THEM. THE DOWNTOWN COORDINATOR, WE PASSED OUT THE LITTLE CARS THAT HAD THE SCAN AND WE SOLICITED FEEDBACK AT A LOT OTHER EVENTS, BUT THESE WERE THE MAIN ONES. 
          AND THEN JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE, 
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THIS SAME PRESENTATION, BASED ON IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE INTO THE LETTERS, THEN THIS SAME PRESENTATION WILL GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON AUGUST 19TH JUST FOR THEIR BLESSING. NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT THE LETTER IS ADOPTED OR A FINAL VOTE. IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE YOU AGREE WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO BECAUSE THE HEAVY LIFT IS GOING TO COME AFTER THAT WHEN WE START CHANGING THE COMP PLAN AND JUST GET THEIR BLESSINGS. 
          AND THEN SARAH WILL BE THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY SIGNS THE LETTER AND THEN WE'LL FORWARD IT ON TO THE STATE. AND THEN WE WAIT TO SEE WHAT KIND OF COMMENTS THE STATE GIVES US BACK. AND THEN WE'LL, THEN WE'LL KIND OF START WORKING ON OUR DIRECTION TO UPDATE THE COMP PLAN. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JENNY. YES, MA'AM. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DID HAVE A QUESTION. IT WAS ON THE SURVEY AT THE VERY END AND IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE I'M JUST NOT READING IT RIGHT. BUT AFTER, AFTER THE TOTAL RESPONSES AND IT'S THE FERNANDINA BEACH 2050 EAR/VISION UPDATE, AND IT GOES THROUGH RESILIENCY AND SUSTAINABILITY 22-25. WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? 5 OF 12 AND THEN 6 OF 12. AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO 7 OF 12, THESE ARE THE SELECT, IT SAYS MULTIPLE QUESTIONS. THESE SELECT MULTIPLE QUESTIONS. AND I REMEMBER AT THE VERY BEGINNING IT SAID THAT THERE WAS 140-SOME-ODD RESPONSES. 
          AND THEN I'M LOOKING AT, YOU'RE ASKING THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND WHAT IS YOUR EMPLOYMENT STATUS? AND IT'S LIKE FIVE PEOPLE RESPONDED THAT THEY WERE EMPLOYED. AND THEN YOU'RE, I MEAN, THERE'S LIKE, DID PEOPLE JUST SAY, I'M TIRED OF FILLING OUT THIS FORM AND I'M DONE, I'M NOT GOING TO FILL OUT THE REST OF IT? I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE RESULTS. 
          BUT TYPICALLY, THAT COULD HAPPEN THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, THIS IS DUMB. I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS. 
          OR IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE MULTIPLE ANSWERS AVAILABLE, THEN THEY COULD PICK ONE OR TWO. AND SO, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A PLETHORA OF THINGS. SO, ONCE WE GET TO THAT QUESTION, PLEASE STOP ME AND I CAN TRY AND EXPLAIN. 
          SURE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I GET STARTED? MAYBE JUST A GENERAL ONE. 
          FROM MY STANDPOINT, LOOKING AT IT, TECHNICALLY, WHAT I SEE HERE ON THIS PAPERWORK IS AN INFINITESIMALLY SMALL, LIKE A 1 PERCENTILE OF THE RESIDENTS. WE'VE GOT ABOUT 14,000 PEOPLE THAT ARE RESIDENTS. WE'RE SEEING OBVIOUSLY LESS THAN 100. IT WAS 141. 141 RESPONDENTS, YES, SIR. THAT SCARES ME. 
          FROM THE STANDPOINT OF IS WHAT WE GOT REALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY REALLY HAVE A VISION FOR? NOW, IF I READ THE SUMMARY THAT WENT INTO. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THERE THAT DIDN'T PRETTY MUCH FOLLOW WHAT WE'VE HEARD JUST IN NORMAL PAB TYPE OF CONVERSATIONS. LET ME JUST PUT A TWO PART. WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU SAW IN ANY OF THE VERBAL FEEDBACK. AND SO, ON THAT SURPRISED YOU AS SOMETHING THAT KIND OF CAME OUT OF THE BLUE? SOMETHING THAT MAYBE. NO, THAT'S A ONE OF THOSE UNKNOWN UNKNOWNS THAT MAYBE POPPED UP. I DON'T THINK I HEARD ANYTHING THAT I WASN'T SURPRISED ABOUT. JUST BASED ON WHAT, JUST IN MY LIMITED TIME HERE FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, THAT SURPRISED ME. IT DID KIND OF CONFIRM FOR ME THAT THERE'S SOME TWEAKING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. NOT AS MUCH TO THE COMP PLAN AS IT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO THE LDC. I THINK THE COMP PLAN IS A WONDERFUL DOCUMENT AND I THINK WE, WE CAN JUST TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT TO GET IT TO THE POINT TO WHERE IT REALLY EMPHASIZES THIS COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD CONCEPT OF PLANNING. BUT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF CHANGES TO THE LDC TO ACTUALLY SEE THAT HAPPEN. 
          AND SO, I THINK I WASN'T SURPRISED IN THAT SENSE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER HEARING ANYTHING THAT WAS. WE DID HEAR SOME PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THEIR EMPLOYMENT. 
          SOME OF THE EMPLOYERS FROM THE BIG MILLS CAME OUT THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN. 
          WHICH I THINK WAS WHY THE RESPONDENTS, THERE WAS GREAT NUMBER OF RESPONDENTS THAT DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY. AND I THINK THAT THOSE WERE THOSE FOLKS AT THE MILL THAT TOOK THE SURVEY. 
          OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY THE DRAFT LETTER THAT YOU HAVE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S, IT'S PAGE EIGHT IN THE FILE, SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT. 
          BUT ANYWAYS, THE NEXT TO LAST PARAGRAPH, 
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IT'S THE SAME PAGE WHERE SARAH WILL ULTIMATELY SIGN THE LETTER. AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A PARAGRAPH STARTING AT PARTICIPANTS. AND IT, IN MY VIEW, THAT PRETTY WELL CAPTURED, I GUESS, WHAT I INTERPRET AS BEING THE FEEDBACK WE'VE BEEN GETTING FROM THE RESIDENTS. OKAY. AND I DON'T THINK AS. AS MARGARET SAID, I DON'T THINK IT WAS FOR LACK OF TRYING. I MEAN, IT'S BEEN ON THE WEBSITE, IT'S BEEN POSTED. RIGHT. AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT EVENTS AND WE'VE BEEN, PLEASE FILL OUT THE SURVEY HERE. NO, I'LL DO IT AT HOME. AND THEN IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN. 
          BUT THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL OF OUR VISIONING EXERCISES. I KNOW IN PALM COAST WE HAD 1100 RESPONDENTS, BUT THAT I THINK THEY WERE VERY ANGRY ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS. AND SO, THAT TENDS TO SPEED UP THE RESPONSES. AND ALSO, WE DID HEAR. I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT WE WENT TO THE OPENING OF THE AMELIA, THE RIVERFRONT PART, WHICH, WHERE WE HAVE. WE RECEIVED A LOT OF FEEDBACK, BUT I WOULD SAY WE RECEIVED AT LEAST THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT GAVE US VERBAL FEEDBACK THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE SURVEY, IF NOT MORE. I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT IN SAYING THAT. AND ONE THING THAT DID SURPRISE ME, THERE WERE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THAT ARE HAPPY WITH THE CITY, DEPENDING ON WHAT AREA YOU LIVED IN, THEY WERE HAPPY. WE GOT HATE YOUR NEIGHBOR WEEK ON PAID PARKING, AND THEY WERE 1500 SIGNATURES ON A LEGAL DOCUMENT. YOU KNOW, THEY WENT TO A BAR. YEAH. NOW THAT. AND FROM THEM AND FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, THEY WERE SAYING, DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING. WHICH KIND OF STILL GOES ALONG WITH WHAT. WHAT WE'RE SAYING ANYWAY. MAYBE WE SHOULD LET OUR PRESENTATION AND THEN HAVE TO. 
          YEAH. I DIDN'T WANT TO BEAT THIS DEAF. I JUST WANT TO SAY WHAT I SAW HERE KIND OF FELT LIKE IT WAS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE, WE'VE HEARD FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          OKAY. PLEASE. THANK YOU. AS MARGARET SAID, MY NAME'S JENNY BRIDAL. I WORK FOR THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL. AND OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS, I HAVE HAD THE WONDERFUL PLEASURE OF GETTING TO KNOW YOUR CITY A LITTLE BIT MORE AND MEETING YOUR PEOPLE AND CONDUCTING THIS 2050 VISIONING EXERCISE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH YOUR CITY STAFF. SO, THAT WAS MARGARET, MIA, AND MACKENNAH, WHO ARE NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT I'M SURE THAT THEY'RE OFF DOING SOMETHING EXCITING. 
          YES, AND I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT THAT AFTER THEY ARE. AND SO, THIS IS MY TEAM. SO, ERIC ANDERSON IS THE DEPUTY CEO OF THE COUNCIL, AND THEN I'M THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER. AND MY COLLEAGUE BEN HERE, WHO SET UP MY STUFF, IS OUR SENIOR REGIONAL PLANNER. 
          AND THEN ELKIE WAS AT EACH OF OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS. SHE WAS OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANT. SO, SHE IS OFF TO BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS, GETTING MARRIED AND MOVING OUT OF THE AREA. SO, I'M SAD SHE'S NOT HERE, BUT HER FINGERPRINTS ARE ALL OVER THIS. SO, THE PURPOSE OF THE PROJECT, JUST TO START AT THE BEGINNING, IS WE WERE CHOSEN TO DO THE EAR, WHICH IS THE EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL REPORT. AND THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF STATE STATUTE THAT EVERY SEVEN YEARS YOU HAVE TO UPDATE YOUR EAR OR EVALUATE YOUR COMP PLAN TO SEE WHAT CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE. AND SO, IN THIS SITUATION, WE'RE WRITING A LETTER TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. NO. WHAT DOES IT MEAN? DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE. 
          YES. IT CHANGES ITS NAME EVERY GOVERNOR. I DON'T. SO, WE'RE WRITING A LETTER TO SAY THESE ARE THE CHANGES WE ANTICIPATE TO MAKE BASED ON THE EVALUATION OF THE VISIONING WORK THAT WE'VE DONE. 
          AND THEN ONCE WE SEND THAT LETTER, THEY RECEIVE IT, AND YOU HAVE A YEAR FROM WHEN THAT LETTER IS RECEIVED TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. SO, THAT STARTS THE TIME CLICKING FOR YOU. SO, IF IT'S TRANSMITTED, WHICH IT'S REQUIRED TO BE SENT TO THE STATE BY SEPTEMBER 1ST, SO YOU'LL HAVE A YEAR, SEPTEMBER 2027, TO GET THOSE CHANGES MADE. AND SO, IN THE 2045 VISIONING EXERCISE THAT THE CITY DID, WHICH WAS NEVER COMPLETELY ADOPTED, THEY HAD SOME THEMES PRESENTED THERE. AND SO, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IN THIS 2050 VISIONING WAS TAKE THOSE THEMES AGAIN, SINCE YOU'VE ALREADY DONE WORK ON EVALUATING THOSE AND SEE IF THEY WERE STILL PART OF WHAT THE CITIZENS OF FERNANDINA BEACH WERE INTERESTED IN. AND THOSE WERE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, RESILIENCY, LIVABILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, AND PUBLIC FACILITIES AND TRANSPORTATION. SO, 
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COMMUNITY VISIONING IS AN EXERCISE THAT WE DO THAT'S SUPPORTED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC, DEPARTMENT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATION AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. AND SO, WE DO THAT TO SEE WHERE WE CAN BOOSTER A COMMUNITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND SO, WE DO VISIONING TO FOSTER COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE CITIZENS AND THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS SO THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN HEAR WHAT THE CITIZENS HAVE TO SAY AND THE CITIZENS FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING HEARD BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT. SO, IT'S DEFINITELY A COMMUNITY DRIVEN. ALTHOUGH WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE EVERY 1700 OR 17,000 RESIDENTS ANSWER THE SURVEY, IT'S JUST, IT'S HARD TO GET THAT TO HAPPEN. SO, I THINK I WENT OVER BRIEFLY THE SURVEY RESULTS WITH YOU LAST TIME I WAS HERE. 
          IT HASN'T REALLY CHANGED. BUT THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE'VE HEARD WAS PRESERVATION OF COMMUNITY CHARACTER, MANAGED GROWTH AND REDEVELOPMENT COMPATIBILITY, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP. AND I TELL YOU, MARGARET, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW THAT REALLY SURPRISED ME WAS THAT PEOPLE FOCUSED ON TREES AND GREEN SPACES WITHIN THE CITY VERSUS THE BEACHES, WHICH I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT PEOPLE WANTED TREE CANOPIES AND PARKS AND THOSE KIND OF ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS TO BE STEWARDED IN A BETTER FASHION. SO, THEN WE TALKED ABOUT WALKABILITY, RESILIENCY AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO, THOSE SIX THEMES ARE WHAT CAME ABOUT. AND SO, HERE WERE THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY. MOST PEOPLE ARE OVER 65 AND WERE SPLIT BETWEEN RETIRED AND WORKING FULL TIME. 
          WHAT DESCRIBES THE CONNECTION? SO, MOST RESPONDENTS WERE FULL TIME RESIDENTS AND HAVE LIVED HERE OVER 20 YEARS. SO, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD INDICATOR. AND I GUESS THE PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO TAKE THE SURVEY WERE WORKING AND DIDN'T WANT TO BOTHER WITH IT. SO, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TRY AND DEAL WITH AS WELL. SO, MOST RESPONDENTS LIVED IN THE MID ISLAND AND I BELIEVE THE OTHER CATEGORY, AS I SHARED JUST BRIEFLY, THE FOLKS THAT WORK IN OTHER PLACES WORK AT THE PLANT OR OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, NECESSARILY. THEY DON'T LIVE THERE, BUT THEY WORK EITHER IN THE PLANT OR IN THAT COUNTY AREA IN THE MIDDLE. SO, MOST PEOPLE OWN THEIR OWN HOME. AND CITY STAFF FORMULATED THE NEIGHBORHOOD BOUNDARIES PREVIOUSLY SHOWN ON THE LAST SLIDE. SO, WE JUST CONFIRMED WITH THE PARTICIPANTS THAT THESE WERE ACCURATE BOUNDARIES AND MORE THAN 50% THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE ACCURATE BOUNDARIES. THE MAJORITY OF FOLKS WANTED THE SMALL-TOWN CHARACTER AND THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT PRESERVED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. THEY ALSO WOULD LIKE MORE WALKING AND BIKING PATHS. THESE WOULD BE SEPARATE FROM ROADS. SO, WE HEARD THAT QUITE A BIT THAT THEY WANTED A PLACE THAT GETTING AWAY FROM THE TRAFFIC, THEY WANTED TO USE THEIR GOLF CART OR THE BICYCLE TO GET PLACES SAFELY AND WITHOUT CONFLICT WITH THE CARS. CITY INVESTMENT CHOICES WERE PRETTY EQUALLY DIVIDED WITH PRESERVATION AND CHARACTER BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT COMPONENT FOR THE CITY TO FOCUS ON, WHICH IS NOT A SURPRISE. OVER DEVELOPMENT EMERGED AS THE BIGGEST THREAT TO COMMUNITY CHARACTER. AND HERE WE HEARD THAT COMPATIBILITY SHOULD BE A PRIORITY FOR REDEVELOPMENT. 
          AND AGAIN, MULTIMODAL PATHS AS THE TRAFFIC INCREASES. 
          MULTIMODAL PATHS ALLOW PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THEIR CARS AND GO TO ESSENTIAL SERVICES BY BIKE OR GOLF CART. SO, THIS QUESTION IS EVIDENCE OF FERNANDINA BEING A CAR CENTRIC COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, PEOPLE HAVE OTHER MODES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE. SO, THIS DATA IS VERY IMPORTANT AS WE MAKE TRANSPORTATION INVESTMENTS AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE MULTIMODAL PATHS WITHIN THE ISLAND. AND SOME BARRIERS FOR TAKING OTHER MODES OF TRANSPORTATION ARE THE DISTANCE, THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THIS, 
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IN MY OPINION, THE INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD BE A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY'S EXPENDING FUNDS. 
          RESPONDENTS VOICED THAT THE TREE CANOPY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ENVIRONMENTAL COMPONENT TO BE PRIORITIZED AND BURYING INFRASTRUCTURE TO ADD TO THE ISLAND'S RESILIENCY. 
          AND MOST RESPONDENTS SAID THAT THE WATERFRONT IS A PLACE THEY VISIT REGULARLY AND THAT THE ENVIRONMENT SHOULD BE A TOP PRIORITY WITH PLANNING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. SO, THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENT AND STORMWATER AND RESILIENCY AND HARDENING OF THE ISLAND'S INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO, UPON REVIEW OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE FOLLOWING OBJECTIVES ARE RECOMMENDED TO BE ADJUSTED BASED ON THE SURVEY RESULTS. SO, THESE COMMENTS WOULD BE MEMORIALIZED IN DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          AND SO, JUST TO, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT I, AFTER REVIEWING YOUR COMP PLAN HAVE OUTLINED. 
          SO, 1.2, 1.02 DEALS WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT. AND THEN ALSO THERE'S GOING TO BE ADDED A TRANSPARENCY AND A ACCOUNTABILITY GOAL THAT WAS RECENTLY DEVELOPED WITHIN THE CITY THROUGH WHICH DEPARTMENT. THE CITY MANAGER HAS WORKED ON SOME OF THAT. BUT AS WELL, WE HAD HAD SOME FEEDBACK FROM CONSERVE NASSAU. OKAY. 
          ON THAT WAS A REQUEST DURING THE LAST YEAR PREPARATION THAT DIDN'T GET INCORPORATED. BUT THAT'S AN OVERALL THEME THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON IS TRANSPARENCY, PUBLIC TRUST AND. RIGHT. ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS. SO, WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY PUT IT IN THE COMP PLAN TO KIND OF SOLIDIFY IT. RIGHT. AND THEN 1.04, DEALS WITH REDEVELOPMENT AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT. 2.01 SPEAKS TO MOBILITY PLANNING AND 2.2 SPEAKS TO MULTIMODAL NETWORKS. SO, IN ALL OF THESE COMP PLAN OBJECTIVES, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO PUT IN COMPONENTS OF THE SURVEY THAT SAYS THE CITY SHOULD TRANSLATE THIS INTO FIXED GUIDEWAY MULTIMODAL PATHS. AND THEN THAT THEN CAN BE PUT INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          BECAUSE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IMPLEMENTS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND SO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT CODE LANGUAGE IN THE COMP PLAN IN ORDER FOR YOU TO TRANSLATE IT INTO THE LDC. AND THEN 2.05 IS CONCERNED WITH LEVEL OF SERVICE AND QUALITY OF SERVICE. 2.7 DEALS AGAIN WITH MULTIMODAL NETWORK DESIGN. 
          3.01 BEGINS HOUSING ELEMENT AND SPEAKS TO AVAILABILITY OF HOUSING, PRESERVATION OF HOUSING STOCK, AND THEN OBJECTIVE 5 TALKS ABOUT PUBLIC ACCESS AND SPEAKS TO TREE PRESERVATION AND URBAN FORESTRY. SO, ALL OF THESE OBJECTIVES IN YOUR COMP PLAN CAN BE ADDED TO AND NOT THROWN OUT, BUT ADJUSTED SO THAT THEY REFLECT THE DESIRES OF THE CITIZENS THAT TOOK THE SURVEY. AND SO, THE IN THE EAR LETTER, WE ALSO HAVE IN THERE OTHER THINGS THAT WILL NEED TO OCCUR. THE CITY TRANSMITTED A WATER SUPPLY PLAN, THEY NEED TO BRING SOME OF THEIR DATES INTO COMPLIANCE FOR STATE STATUTE. AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF NEW STATUTES THAT REGARDING SOLAR FACILITIES AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT NEED TO MAKE IT INTO THE COMP PLAN. SO, WITH THAT, A TON OF INFORMATION I KNOW, AND COMP PLANS AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES ARE A LITTLE WACKY BASED ON THE STATE STATUTE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          YES, SIR. I HAVE ONE BASIC QUESTION. LOOKING AT IT FROM A PURELY MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT, I SEE ALMOST NO CONCERN OR THOUGHT ABOUT THE ECONOMICS, THE ECONOMIC ENGINE, WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE FROM A TAX STANDPOINT? TAX INCREASES, DO PEOPLE JUST NOT FOCUS ON THAT. THEY WANT, WANT, WANT. BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT EQUATION, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PAY, PAY, PAY. I DON'T SEE THAT CORRELATION. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WRITE A COMP PLAN IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE. YES, SIR, 
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I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO, EVERY COMP PLAN HAS A CIP OR A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM THAT THE CITY COMMITS TO FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD AND THAT IT OUTLINES ALL OF THE CITY'S PROJECTS TO IMPLEMENT THOSE THINGS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND SO, THAT'S WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL MAKES DECISION ON, BASED ON THE FUNDS AVAILABLE, THE GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. 
          SO, THIS VISIONING IS SUPPORTED BY THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATION. SO, WE LOOK AT ECONOMIC VITALITY VERY CLOSELY. 
          AND AS WE ARE AMENDING AND AUGMENTING YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE LOOK AT THOSE ELEMENTS THAT HOW BUSINESSES IS FRIENDLY TO BUSINESS AND OFF-SITE EMPLOYERS SO THAT NOBODY'S LEFT OUTSIDE OF THE TABLE. MY PROBLEM WITH THE WHOLE THING IS, NOT ALL OF OUR REVENUE COMES FROM JUST AD VALOREM TAXES. 
          THAT'S THE PART THAT WE SEE. 
          AND THOSE AD VALOREM TAXES, JUST THE NATURE OF THINGS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GROW OVER TIME. I JUST DON'T SEE PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A TWO SIDES OF THE EQUATION. AND WE GET INTO NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH SOMETHING OR WE FIND OUT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A NEW SOCCER FIELD. 
          WHATEVER HAPPENS TO BE NOW, ECONOMICALLY, WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF SOLVING THAT PROBLEM. AND THAT FRUSTRATES ME. I THINK THE PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO BE PART OF THAT PARTNERSHIP. WE'RE SPENDING THEIR MONEY. YES, SIR. 
          AND WE DID HAVE ROBUST CONVERSATIONS WHEN WE WERE DOING THE SURVEY, WHEN WE WERE ASKING PEOPLE WHERE SHOULD THE CITY FOCUS THEIR MONIES THE MOST? AND PEOPLE SAID ALL OF IT. AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, THERE'S NOT UNLIMITED FUNDS. 
          WE CAN'T DO ALL OF IT. WELL, FIND IT. AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, THIS IS NOT. THE POT OF GOLD IS NOT AVAILABLE AT THE MOMENT. WE'RE NOT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, WE CAN PRINT. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME? I DO. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE, THE 2050 GOALS THAT YOU. AT THE VERY BEGINNING. 
          OH, SURE. THE PREVIOUS GOALS? YEAH. I THINK YOU SAID 45 THEMES? YEAH. AND YOU KIND OF PICKED THEM OUT AND THEN YOU MOVED IT TO THE NEXT. TO THE 2050 GOALS. 
          YEAH. SO, THE 2045 THEMES WERE PRESERVATION AND NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, LIVABILITY, FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE, UTILITY NEEDS, PUBLIC FACILITIES AND MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION. 
          SO, THOSE WERE ALREADY ESTABLISHED DURING THAT EXERCISE. AND SO, WHAT MARGARET AND I DID WAS GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY TO SEE IF THAT WAS STILL VIABLE. AND SO, WHEN WE DID, THAT WAS WHAT WE FOUND THAT THE PRESERVATION OF COMMUNITY CHARACTER, MANAGED GROWTH, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, WALKABILITY, RESILIENCY AND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. I JUST DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT. I THINK OUR CITY IS ABOUT 10% COMMERCIAL ON THE LAND USE SIDE. AND SO, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT'S A VERY LOW NUMBER AND MAYBE WE OUGHT TO TARGET A HIGHER NUMBER IN THE FUTURE. AND I THINK PART OF THAT CAME IN THE DISCUSSION OF MANAGED GROWTH AND REDEVELOPMENT. JUST IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE TARGETED AS AN ITEM. 
          RIGHT, CORRECT. AND SO, I WAS MOST OFFERING THAT AS SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE. I DONT'T WANNA TARGE. NO, THEY DON'T, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. 
          BUT I THINK LOOKING FORWARD, WE OUGHT TO TRY TO PROVIDE JOBS FOR OUR KIDS AND FOR PEOPLE THAT GROW UP HERE. 
          STAY HERE. RIGHT. YEAH. 
          SO, I JUST DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT OF THAT. WE HEARD THAT FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. RIGHT. THAT WHAT THEIR CONTRIBUTION, ESPECIALLY WHAT THEIR CONTRIBUTION WAS. 
          AND A LOT OF THAT IS A REDEVELOPMENT TOOL, WHICH I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE THAT A GOAL. YOU KNOW, I THINK BOTH THE ECONOMIC QUESTIONS, PART OF THIS, A LOT COMES UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF PRESERVATION OF CHARACTER. 
          IF YOU'RE BROKE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER. 
          EXACTLY, RIGHT. YEAH. AND SO, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT IS REQUIRED TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE CITY, INCLUDING, AND ESPECIALLY, WE'VE TALKED HERE ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT. AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO I THINK, WORKING WITH THE ZONING CODE, THAT YOU COULD ALLOW FOR SOME SMALL CORNER STORES AND THINGS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          WE HEARD A LOT OF THAT MIXED USE WOULD BE THOUGHT OF FAVORABLY. SO, THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT MARGARET CAN WORK THROUGH AS SHE DEVELOPS THE AMENDMENTS. WELL, PERSONALLY, I LIKE TO SEE LARGER SCALE REDEVELOPMENT BECAUSE 25 YEARS WE MAY BE DOWN A PAPER MILL OR TWO, SO YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND WE GOT A PLAN FOR THAT. IT MAY OUTLAW PAPER. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S JUST ONE 
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OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU. WE SEE WHAT HAPPENED UP IN GILMAN AND IT'S STILL SITTING THERE THREE DECADES LATER OR TWO DECADES LATER AND NOTHING'S GOING ON WITH IT. SO. YEAH, NOW REDEVELOPING IT. AND THAT GUY WENT BANKRUPT, I THINK. SO, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO VISION, WE OUGHT TO VISION BIG. I THINK INSTEAD OF LITTLE THINGS. THEY HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS UP THERE, DON'T THEY? YES, MA'AM. 
          OR I GUESS IT'S A QUESTION. 
          GIVEN THE SKEW TOWARDS OLDER HOMEOWNER, HOME OWNING RESIDENTS, IS THERE A PLAN OR ANY ADDITIONAL OUTREACH THAT YOU GUYS WOULD DO TO TRY TO REACH THOSE MAJORLY UNDERREPRESENTED PEOPLE IN THE CITY, LIKE OUR YOUNGER POPULATION, OUR RENTERS, OUR WORKERS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT REPRESENTED AT ALL HERE. SO, WHAT'S BEING DONE OR IS THERE A PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL OUTREACH? YEAH, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD IN THIS SURVEY. YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO TO THE SCHOOLS, BUT I THINK A LOT OF YOUNGER DEMOGRAPHIC ARE EITHER JADED AND DON'T THINK THAT THEIR VOICE MATTERS OR THEY DON'T HAVE TIME OR UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. SO, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS. I WOULD TAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO GET YOUNGER PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE. YOU MAY GO TO THE HIGH SCHOOL FOUNDATION AND THEY COULD. THEY HAVE DIRECT CONTACT WITH A LOT OF THE SUPPORT STAFF THERE AND MAYBE HANDING OUT SOME QUESTIONNAIRES TO THEM OR THERE'S CAREER DAYS THAT ARE THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE KIDS ARE INTERESTED. 
          IT'S JUST THAT THEY DON'T WATCH MEETINGS LIKE THIS. YEAH. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO PLAY SPORTS OR PLAYING WITH THEIR FRIENDS AND THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW. YEAH. I MEAN, WE DID. FOR SURE. TALK TO A LOT OF YOUNGER FOLKS AT THE OPENING OF THE BEACHES. WE WERE THERE ALL DAY. AND HERE'S A SURVEY. 
          I'LL TAKE IT WHEN I GET HOME. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY. YEAH, IT'S JUST CONCERNING WHEN THE MAJORITY IS 65 PLUS. I MEAN. 
          RIGHT. 0, 19 AND UNDER. I MEAN, THESE ARE THE, THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY. SO, I FEEL THEIR VOICE NEEDS TO BE REPRESENTED AS WELL. 
          ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, THEY DO. AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE EAR, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE STILL ACTIVELY SOLICITING FEEDBACK FOR THE 20 VISION PLAN. SO, WE'RE NOT BRINGING THAT FORWARD YET. OKAY. 
          BUT I KNOW A YEAR. YEAH. AND I KNOW THAT MACKENNAH AND MIA, ALL THEIR NETWORK THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED IN, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THE FEEDBACK BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THAT OF THE YOUNGER PEOPLE. AND SO, THINGS THEY GO THROUGH. I THINK THEY EVEN PASSED THEM OUT AT THE GREEN TURTLE. 
          THAT'S GREAT. YEAH, THAT'S, GOOD JOB. BUT ALSO, I DID HEAR SOMETHING THAT. AND I FORGET EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS, BUT THAT THE DEMOGRAPHICS IS JUST UNFORTUNATE THAT IT'S NOT GETTING YOUNGER. IT'S STILL GETTING OLDER. IT IS NOT AFFORDABLE. YEAH, IT HASN'T MADE THAT SWITCH YET. YEAH, I MOVED HERE FROM ATLANTA AND WHAT I LOVED ABOUT FERNANDINA BEACH AND AMELIA ISLAND WAS THAT IT'S A CITY OF ITS OWN. IT'S NOT A SUB. NO, IT'S NOT A SUB OF NASSAU OR JACKSONVILLE OR OF JACKSONVILLE. AND SO, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A LOT OF JOBS FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE HERE AS LONG AS JACKSONVILLE IS 45 MINUTES AWAY. SO, I MEAN, THAT IS A DILEMMA. I LIKE THAT THIS IS A STANDALONE CITY AND COMMUNITY, BUT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SPECIFIC HEALTHCARE JOBS OR IT JOBS THAT YOU CAN WORK REMOTELY. AND SO, I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME TACTICS THAT MARKER CAN TAKE TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT I DO THINK THAT THEY, THEY NEED TO TAKE A STAND. I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE, AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR GETTING INVOLVED IN YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT, BUT A LOT OF KIDS JUST WOULD RATHER COMPLAIN. YEAH, WELL, I JUST MEAN AS AN EXAMPLE, WE SEE OUR SERVICE INDUSTRY HERE IS BOOMING, OUR RESTAURANTS, TOURISM. AND THOSE ARE YOUNGER INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE TAKING BIKE PATHS, WALKING. THEY'RE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS IN OUR 65 AND UP COMMUNITY, BUT YET I DON'T SEE ANY OF THEIR VOICES REPRESENTED HERE. 
          SO, THEY ARE A LARGE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY ARE VERY ENMESHED IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND I JUST THINK IT'S JUST A SHAME TO KIND OF LIKE, OH, THERE'S NOT THESE KIND OF JOBS FOR THEM THEN WE NEED TO BE ACCURATELY REPRESENTING EVERYONE HERE. YEAH, I HEAR THAT. AND WE WERE EXCITED. WE WERE EXCITED, THOUGH, THAT WE DID HAVE SOME. RIGHT. 
          YES, WE DID HAVE SOME YOUNG PEOPLE. AND I DO WANT TO. 
          YEAH, A LOT OF THEM DO. I DO WANT TO STRESS THAT YOUR COMP PLAN ISN'T A STATIC DOCUMENT. I MEAN, IT'S MEANT TO REFLECT THE COMMUNITY. YEAH. 
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AND AS THE DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES, YOU CHANGE YOUR COMP PLAN TO REFLECT. SURE. THOSE NEW VOICES. AND I DON'T MEAN THIS AS CRITICISM TOWARDS ANYONE, ANYONE. I THINK EVERYONE'S DOING A GREAT JOB. I JUST THINK THAT THERE MAY BE NEEDS TO BE SOME MORE CREATIVITY IN TERMS OF OUR OUTREACH. SO, THAT'S MY ONLY FEEDBACK. 
          SURE. THIS IS FOOD FOR THOUGHT ONLY. WE DO HAVE A YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO SEE IF THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO COBBLE TOGETHER SOMETHING. 
          YOU WOULD CATCH THE, PARTICULARLY SAY THE 9TH THROUGH THE 12TH GRADES THAT ARE PRETTY ACTIVE. I JUST LIKE TO KNOW, I MEAN, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THEM ACTUALLY NEED A JOB OR WANT A JOB AND WANT TO WORK. THEY WANT TO LIVE HERE WHEN THEY GET DONE WITH COLLEGE. YEAH. COME BACK. 
          HOW ARE THEY GETTING TO SCHOOL? HOW ARE THEY? BECAUSE, I MEAN, I LIVE OFF OF HICKORY STREET NOW. I SEE ALL THESE KIDS WALKING BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH. SO, I KNOW SIDEWALKS ARE IMPORTANT TO THEM. I KNOW THESE DIFFERENT PATHWAYS ARE IMPORTANT TO THEM. BUT I FEEL LIKE THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING ON. THEN HOW CAN THEY GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK ON THESE KIND OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE USING ACTIVELY EVERY SINGLE DAY? AND THESE ARE KIDS THAT LIVE HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. I WOULD JUST THROW IT OUT. IT MIGHT NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PRACTICALLY FEASIBLE TODAY'S WORLD, BUT MAYBE WE OUGHT TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT, LET THEM KIND OF THINK ABOUT COULD SOMETHING BE DONE THAT WOULD CAPTURE A PIECE OF DATA THAT WE COULD USE. IF I JUST UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE TYPICAL HIGH SCHOOL JUNIOR, WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM IN LIFE? THEY DON'T PAY TAXES. 
          KEEP THAT IN MIND. I MEAN, THEY LIVE AT HOME. I MEAN, THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO COLLEGE OR WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO OFF. 
          THAT'S OKAY. BUT THAT'S AN ECONOMIC. CAN'T WAIT TO GET OUT OF HERE. HAVEN'T YOU EVER HEARD THAT ABOUT PEOPLE? RIGHT. THEY DON'T WANT TO LIVE HERE. 
          WELL, THERE MAY BE. A LOT. 
          UNTIL, UNTIL THEY'RE ABOUT 30. YEAH. THEY MAY BE MORE TO TEARS BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO DO HERE. EXACTLY. 
          THEY GET INVOLVED IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THERE'S LOTS OF THEM. SURE, YEAH. SO, GO AHEAD. WELL, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT THAT, WE ALWAYS THROW OUT THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING ELEMENT, YET OUR COMP PLAN TO STOP THE 10 UNITS PER ACRE. AND YOU WILL NEVER IN 35FT OF HEIGHT OR 45 MAYBE MAX. 
          BUT WE'RE NEVER GOING TO ACHIEVE ANY MEANINGFUL AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNTIL WE CHANGE THAT. I THINK IT'S INTENTIONAL. IT IS. SO, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY WE TALK ABOUT IT IF WE'RE NEVER GOING TO CHANGE THE BUSINESS. UNTIL YOU FIND SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT AND THAT'S NORMALLY GOVERNMENT, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          WELL, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GETTING BACK INTO THE POLICIES THAT TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO THAT IS. I'M NOT SURE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ELEMENTS SOLVE. 
          WELL, THERE ARE PLANNING STRATEGIES SETTING ASIDE ONE OR TWO UNITS IN A LARGER PROJECT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. SECTOR CONSULTANT. I MEAN I THINK MEDIUM. MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN JACKSONVILLE IS 20 UNITS AN ACRE. 
          BUT HOW DO YOU BALANCE THAT WITH THE CONSTRUCTION CONCERN FOR OVERDEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT'S BEING. THAT'S WHY YOU TARGET A CERTAIN AREA. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AND YOU GO TO THE COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA AND YOU SAY, WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD FIT FOR INCREASED DENSITY AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MAYBE YOUR KIDS WILL COME BACK HOME AND HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE AND MAYBE WE CAN TARGET. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A BIG AREA, BUT IT CAN BE A TRIAL. DIDN'T WE START THAT WITH OUR SADDLE ROAD AND OTHER STUFF GOOD THAT'S DISAPPEAR? YEAH, WELL, WE MIGHT AS WELL KEEP TRYING. YEAH. 
          COMMERCIAL AREA. WELL, THE AFFORDABILITY TIED TO THE AFFORDABLE. TIED TO THE AFFORDABILITY STATUTE AND THE MEDIUM LOW AND VERY LOW. AND NOT JUST AFFORDABILITY BECAUSE IF YOU USE THE CALCULATION IN THE FLORIDA STATUTE WITH OUR AREA, AFFORDABLE IS NOT VERY AFFORDABLE. SO YOU HAVE TO ALSO, DENSITY BONUSES. IT'S THE MARKET, RIGHT? HUGE DENSITY BONUSES AND LOW, VERY LOW. YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO TIE IT TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE ONCE THEY CAME. YOU HAVE THAT ISSUE NOW. WELL, BECAUSE THE 40 YEARS. CORRECT. 
          I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS A 20-YEAR-OLD THING AFFORDABLE IS? THERE'S WAYS TO DO IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE A VISION. IS IT A THOUSAND DOLLARS OR IS IT 2000 OR IS IT SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN? BUT YOU'RE NOT TARGETING A 20-YEAR-OLD, YOU'RE TARGETING, I WOULD SAY SOMEONE ABOVE 30 WHO'S EITHER RECENTLY IN THE WORKFORCE OR GOING OUT OF COLLEGE. PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING, A TEACHER COULD BE COMING OUT ABOUT AGE 23, THEY'D BE ENTERING THE WORKFORCE, MAKING 35,000. I, I, I, I GET OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL, I GO IN THE SERVICE FOR THREE YEARS. SO, NOW I'M 21, 22, MAYBE 23. AND I'M COMING BACK AND I WANT TO START SOMETHING. 
          BUT THAT MEANS DENSITY. THAT MEANS DENSITY, RIGHT. 
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EVERYTHING GOES BACK TO DENSITY OF WHAT PEOPLE INTENSITY. 
          WELL, BUT AGAIN THERE ARE WAYS THAT, AND I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD TRICK BUT WE CAN MAKE IT LESS OFFENSIVE AND DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN INCORPORATE DENSITY WITHOUT IT BEING OFFENSIVE. 
          AND I THINK THAT. EDUCATION FOR OUR CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS BECAUSE THAT TO THEM, IN MY OPINION, EQUATES TO OVER DEVELOPMENT EVERY SINGLE TIME. AND IT'S THE CYCLE THAT WE GET CAUGHT IN CONTINUALLY. BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT, AND MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED THIS MAYBERRY RFD WAS AN EXTREMELY DENSE COMMUNITY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE TRADITIONAL HOUSING PATTERNS, THEY HAD ADUS AND THEY HAD DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT COULD MAKE FOR A DENSER COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THAT IN OUR. 1,000 UNITS TO THE ACRE. 500 UNITS TO THE ACRE, AND THAT'S NOT ANYTHING. NO. 
          THAT'S ON THE ISLAND. 
          NO. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT IT IS. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT SOUTH FLORIDA, BASICALLY, WHERE YOU HAVE THESE KINDS OF. 
          SURE. BIG DENSITY PROJECTS, AND THEN THEY CAN PUT IN AFFORDABLE UNITS AS PART OF THE LARGER PROJECT TOO. SO YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE SERVING MORE THAN ONE OR TWO PEOPLE, YOU'RE SERVING A GROUP. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. MARGARET? I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT EXACTLY WHAT BOARD MEMBER GILLETTE SAID IS I THINK THAT IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY THERE WERE SOME AREAS THAT WOULD WELCOME THE HIGHER DENSITY. I THINK IT'S JUST WHERE YOU TARGETED AT. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE KEY IS AND IF YOU HAVE AESTHETIC STANDARDS, IT DOESN'T GO IN THERE. CORRECT. I MEAN THERE'S SOME AREAS JUST WHERE THE SMALLER DENSITY JUST WOULDN'T FIT IN, BUT THERE ARE SOME WHERE THE AREAS COULD FIT IN. BUT THEN WE WANT TO GET THOSE PEOPLE FROM THAT PLACE TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM TO GO TO THE SHOPPING CENTERS AND NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO GET IN THE CAR. SO, AS THE AREAS THAT WE PICK, WE NEED TO BE VERY STRATEGIC ABOUT IT. SO, LIKE A PUD, RIGHT? LIKE A PUD, SURE. OR MAYBE NOT. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE DO WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          AND TO YOUR POINT THAT THAT WOULD. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE YOUNGER PEOPLE WANT. THEY WANT MULTIMODAL. 
          THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GET IN A CAR AND DEAL WITH TRAFFIC. IT'S THE OLDER GENERATION THAT HAVE LIVED IN A CAR THEIR WHOLE LIVES. 
          EXACTLY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME OR BEN? WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME WORK ON THIS PROJECT WITH MARGARET. IT'S BEEN A GREAT ADVENTURE AND VISITING YOUR TOWN SO OFTEN. IT'S GOING TO MAKE ME WANT TO BUY HERE. 
          THANK YOU. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU WILL BE IN THE AUDIENCE WHEN WE COME NEXT WEEK TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT I WELCOME YOUR FEEDBACK. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'RE GOING 
          [6.2 Legislative Updates]
TO TERESA. YEP. 6.2 IS LEGISLATIVE UPDATE. AND MS. PRINCE IS GOING TO. OKAY. 
          I DID THAT PRESENTATION. 
          BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SWITCH, RIGHT? I HOPE WE. TERESA, THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE'S A LOW BAR FOR THIS. YEAH. WELL, YEAH, LOW BAR, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, I WILL NOT TAKE. IF YOU'RE GETTING BORED, WE CAN JUST. WE CAN JUST IGNORE AND KEEP. LET ME SEE. SO, SHOULD I USE CAN I PLUG INTO THIS THING OR DO YOU WANT ME TO LOG IN AS ME? OKAY, SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO COVER TONIGHT, AND I'M GOING TO TRY NOT TO BORE YOU TO DEATH, WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THE TWO PLANNING LEGISLATIVE BILLS THAT SPECIFICALLY RELATE TO YOU, WHICH IS HOUSE BILL 399 AND HOUSE BILL 927. AND THEN JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW, I DID COVER. THERE'S SOME CHANGES TO THE BUILDING SIDE, THE BUILDING CODE SIDE OF THE STATUTE. THERE ARE ALSO THE AD VALOREM BILL AND THE BALLOT INITIATIVE. I WAS GOING TO COVER THAT WITH YOU. AND AT ANY POINT YOU CAN JUST RAISE YOUR HAND, CRY UNCLE. WE THOUGHT IT WAS BEST TO DO IT ON A NIGHT WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF CASES THAT YOU HAD TO LISTEN TO OR CONSIDER. 
          OKAY. NOW IT'S SAYING HI. SO, I CAN'T JUST PLUG THIS IN. 
          YOU WANT ME TO GO OVER THERE? IF I GO OVER THERE, CAN I PLUG? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, WELL, THAT MIGHT BE EASIER, RIGHT, THAN TRYING TO DO ALL THIS. OKAY, OFF WE GO. 
          IS THIS HOW THE PREVIOUS PERSON DID PRESENTATION? YEP. OKAY, YEAH. YOU CAN GO GET YOUR 
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COFFEE WHILE I'M. OH, LOOK AT THAT. BOY, LET'S JUST SEE IF MY SHOW FROM BEGINNING. 
          WE'LL JUST GO RIGHT INTO IT. 
          OKAY. AND THIS IS THE ONLY, I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S SOME EFFECTS ON THIS ONE, BUT AFTER THIS, THERE WILL BE NO MORE EFFECTS. 
          HOUSE BILL 399 WITH LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND THEN THE HOUSE BILL 927, LOCAL LAND PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. AND OVERALL, THIS, THESE TWO BILLS DO NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL JANUARY 1, 2027. 
          SO, MS. PEARSON AND, AND DEPUTY CITY MANAGER GLENN AKRAMOFF HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS GETTING US READY FOR ALL THIS. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS AGAIN IN THE BUILDING SIDE WHERE WE CAN NO LONGER HAVE OUR DEVELOPMENT PERMIT BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION. IT HAS TO BE REASONABLY RELATED TO THE DIRECT AND INDIRECT COSTS. 
          SO, LIKE THE COST OF STAFFING AND WHATNOT, YOU DO HAVE TO PUBLISH YOUR FEES ON THE WEBSITE. WE ALREADY DO THAT. WE DO HAVE OUR FEES PUBLISHED. AND AS YOU KNOW, ON THE BUILDING SIDE, OFTEN YOUR FEES ARE BASED ON THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION. 
          THEY HAVE ELIMINATED THAT AS A BASIS HERE IN THE PLANNING SIDE AND ON THE BUILDING SIDE. SO, YOU'LL SEE THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. SO, RIGHT NOW, BASED ON THAT OTHER SLIDE, STAFF IS DOING AN INTERNAL RATE STUDY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY AND CHARGE THE PROPER RATES. AND THEN EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1, 2027, WHICH KIND OF TIES INTO OUR EAR AMENDMENTS AND OUR COMP PLAN AND OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE NEEDED CHANGES, IS WE WILL HAVE TO AMEND TO INCLUDE FACTORS FOR ASSESSING COMPATIBILITY OF ALLOWABLE RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN A ZONING DISTRICT FOR RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES. 
          SO, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION, WE CAN NO LONGER MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AND HOW IT FEELS. IT HAS TO BE BASED ON CRITERIA THAT WE PUT IN THE CODE. WE WILL HAVE TO INCORPORATE MEASURES FOR MITIGATING AND MINIMIZING POTENTIAL INCOMPATIBILITY WITHIN A ZONING DISTRICT. AND IT REQUIRES US, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE REZONING AND PRESENTING IT TO YOU, THAT WE SPECIFY EACH AREA OF INCOMPATIBILITY BEFORE RECOMMENDING DENIAL. 
          NOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR STAFF REPORTS, I FEEL LIKE YOU GET THAT ALREADY. 
          YOU'RE GETTING THE COMP PLAN CHART. YOUR STAFF IS CHECKING. 
          YES. NO. SO, THE CITY ALREADY, I THINK, FOLLOWS A LOT OF THESE. BUT WE WILL HAVE TO BE VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS AND EACH AREA OF INCOMPATIBILITY AND THAT THERE'S NO MEASURE THAT THEY COULD TAKE IN ORDER TO OFFSET OR MITIGATE THAT INCOMPATIBILITY. THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER, NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL. 
          NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL IS JUST NO LONGER SUFFICIENT TO APPROVE, TO DENY. SO, LIKE A DO I DARE SAY IT, 10305 WILL HAVE TO BE MODIFIED OR LOOKED AT BECAUSE THAT'S BASED ON THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, WE WOULD AND WE DO, WHEN WE JUST RECENTLY HAD A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS APPEAL BASED ON THAT, WE LOOKED AT THE CRITERIA OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRIED TO IDENTIFY WHY IT WOULD OR WOULD NOT SUIT COMPATIBILITY. AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO DENY IT ANYMORE IF THERE ARE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT WOULD ADEQUATELY ADDRESS COMPATIBILITY UNLESS WE HAVE THE RISK WRITTEN FINDINGS THAT SAY THAT THERE'S NO FEASIBLE MITIGATION MEASURE THAT EXISTS. SO, AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE GIVING RECOMMENDED MOTIONS, WE'LL HAVE TO TELL PROVIDERS, STAFF WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATION OF FOR FINDINGS AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ANY KIND OF MITIGATION MEASURES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO HELP ASSIST YOU WITH YOUR MOTIONS. THESE COMPATIBILITY REQUIREMENTS DO NOT APPLY TO THE DIFFERENT LAND USES. 
          SO, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN WE HAVE COMMERCIAL NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL, WE HAVE A LOT OF STANDARDS, CONSERVATION VERSUS OPEN SPACE, MIXED USE. SO, WHEN YOU'RE HAVING THAT CHANGE IN ZONING, YOUR CHANGE IN FUTURE LAND USE, YOU THE COMPATIBILITY IS STILL ALLOWED. 
          AND THEN IN THE PUDS ARE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES AND THEN ANY HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WAS DESIGNATED PRIOR TO JANUARY 01, 2026. SO, IN OTHER WORDS, THE HDC IS NOT GOING TO HAVE TO INCORPORATE ALL THESE VARIOUS COMPATIBILITY MEASURES AND RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER DEFINITIONS IN THEIR, IN THEIR CODE OR IN THEIR PLANNING. THERE IS A 
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NEWLY CREATED SECTION OF THE CODE IN 163 FOR RESIDENTIAL COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS. AND THEN THIS IS THE INTERESTING CAVEAT THAT THE LEGISLATURE ALWAYS GIVES YOU. 
          SO, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER REASON THAT IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN, THEN YOU CAN DENY IT. SO, AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT BASING IT ON RESIDENTIAL COMPATIBILITY OR INCONSISTENCY OR NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL, BUT THERE ARE LEGITIMATE OTHER COMP PLAN OBJECTIVES, GOALS THAT IT VIOLATES OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, LIKE IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT, THAT IS OKAY. SO, THAT CAVEAT ENDS UP JUST, I FEEL LIKE WITH THE WAY WE OPERATE NOW, THIS LEGISLATION IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT US TOO MUCH. WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT. WHEN WE'RE AMENDING OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, YOUR STAFF DOES LOOK AT CRITERIA. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING BACK IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS CONDITIONS AND CONDITIONAL APPROVALS. BECAUSE WE ARE ALLOWED IN THE NEW LEGISLATION TO APPROVE SOMETHING WITH CONDITIONS AND THAT WAS COMPLETELY REMOVED IN YOUR 2005 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REWRITE. YOU DON'T HAVE CONDITIONAL ZONINGS OR ANYTHING. SO, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE LOOK AT PUTTING BACK. AND SO, IT JUST THE OVERALL IMPACT TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND TO THE CITY COMMISSION. WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE THE OBJECTIVE RESIDENTIAL COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS. WE WILL HAVE TO PUT IN SOME MITIGATION FACTORS. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE WE'LL CHANGE OUR FEE STRUCTURE TO THE EXTENT IT IS IMPROPER, WHICH I THINK NOW IT PROBABLY FOLLOWS WHAT THE LAW WOULD REQUIRE. AND THEN THE PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS. STAFF WILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE WRITTEN FINDINGS THAT THEY PROVIDE YOU ANYWAY, ARE MEETING THE NEW REQUIRED REQUIREMENTS OF THIS LEGISLATION. AND THEN 927. TERESA, CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, THE HOUSE BILL 399? IN FACT, WHAT THIS DOES IS IT HELPS US FACILITATE WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH THE EAR AND THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE TO KIND OF ARTICULATE WHAT IS NOT COMPATIBLE, WHAT MAKES IT NOT COMPATIBLE. AND I THINK WHEN WE HAVE THOSE CRITERIA, WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE OF SAYING WHAT IS COMPATIBLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN WE'RE ALREADY DEFINING. 
          SO, IN FACT, THIS EXERCISE OF GOING THROUGH THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO HELP US ACCOMPLISH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THOSE THINGS THAT MAKE IT NON-COMPETITIVE. CAN I SAY SOMETHING REALLY QUICK OR ASK SOMETHING REALLY QUICK? SO, WHAT ABOUT OBJECTIVE 106 IN THE COMP PLAN? DOES THAT JUST GO OUT OF THE WINDOW OR. 
          BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LOOK AT IT THROUGH COMMUNITY CHARACTER? WE WOULD HAVE. IF WITH THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER, WE WOULD HAVE TO. 
          ON THAT OBJECTIVE, WE WOULD HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE CRITERIA THAT WE WOULD USE TO ESTABLISH THAT COMMUNITY CHARACTER. SO, YOU CAN NO LONGER JUST RELY ON IT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. I MEAN, I'M NOT READING IT RIGHT THIS SECOND. SURE. 
          BUT IT'S JUST MORE SPECIFIC. 
          WE HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC. 
          OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT. IF WE'RE GONNA IDENTIFY DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY, WHAT IS THE CHARACTER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WOULD HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, WHICH WOULD HELP WITH THESE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES IN THE EAR. PROBABLY THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE LEGISLATURE INTENDED. BUT. BUT IT'S WHAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS. 
          AND SO, WE WOULD NEED TO IDENTIFY THE DIFFERENT AREAS AND WHAT THEIR RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER IS. YEAH. AND THEN WHAT MEASURES WOULD MITIGATE THAT? VERY GOOD QUESTION. AND THEN 927, THIS ONE REALLY TALKS ABOUT THE QUALIFIED USING OUTSIDE QUALIFIED CONTRACTORS. BY JANUARY, WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A REGISTRY OF AT LEAST FOUR QUALIFIED PROFESSIONALS AND TWO QUALIFIED CONTRACTOR FIRMS. NOW I DID LOOK UP THOSE DEFINITIONS. THEY, THEY DO HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS. WE'RE NOT, NO OFFENSE TO THE MAN WITH THE BELT, BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE GUY WITH THE BELT. IT'S NOT A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR, BUT IT IS MORE A PLANNING PROFESSIONAL, AN ARCHITECT, AN ENGINEER. WE HAVE TO CREATE A DEVELOPMENT PRE APPLICATION CONSULTATION SERVICE PROGRAM. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE OUR FIRST STEP WHERE YOU CAN COME, YOU CAN MEET WITH PLANNING STAFF BEFORE YOU EVEN GO TO FIRST STEP. PLUS, YOU CAN GO TO FIRST STEP WITHOUT A FEE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. AND YOU CAN GET ON FAIRLY EASILY THE TUESDAY BEFORE THEY MEET US. SO, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THIS ALREADY AND WE'LL EITHER BOLSTER IT OR JUST CONTINUE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING. DO YOU PLAN TO CHANGE THAT FIRST STEP FOR THIS? NO. I THINK THERE IS A PROVISION THOUGH WHERE THEY CAN HIRE A PROFESSIONAL. YES. 
          TO DO THE PRE-APPLICATION FOR THEM AS WELL, AND WE HAVE A LIMITED TIME TO REVIEW THAT. YES, AND THAT IS, YES, DEFINITELY. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HIRE THEIR OWN PROFESSIONAL TO DO, TO REVIEW THEIR PLANS, AND THAT'S PART OF THIS LIST 
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THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE. AND THEN ONCE WE GET THAT. QUESTION. WHAT ABOUT THE LIABILITY? YEAH, DEFINITELY. SO, YOU CAN GO TO AN OUTSIDE FIRM TO HAVE THEM TELL YOU IF YOU MEET THE CITY CODE OR NOT WITHOUT GOING DIRECTLY TO THE CITY STAFF. CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. AND WE CAN'T CHARGE YOU A FEE FOR THAT. I WAS GOING TO GET TO THAT. SHE GOT THERE BEFORE I DID, BUT YES. SO, THAT'S. SO, THAT'S. 
          IT'S LIKE A PRIVATE PROVIDER. 
          IT'S A PRIVATE PROVIDER ON THE PLANNING SIDE. 
          INSTEAD, YOU CAN DO IT A LOT ON THE BUILDING SIDE, WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO SEE LATER. SO, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE'S A CONFLICT? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IF CITY STAFF IS ADAMANT THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU CAN'T BUILD THAT IN THIS AREA AND THE PRIVATE PROVIDER SAYS YES, YOU CAN. WELL, WE DO HAVE THE FIVE BUSINESS DAYS AND THEN WE HAVE TO TAKE FINAL ACTION. SO, WE. 
          YEAH, THERE I THINK WE WOULD PREVAIL. I GUESS IT'S CALLED A LAWSUIT. BUT WE HAVE FIVE DAYS TO TELL THEM. YEAH, WE HAVE. 
          WE HAVE TO REVIEW THEIR PRE APPLICATION AND WITHIN THE 5 DAYS, LIKE TERESA SAID. AND SHE'S BEEN MORE INVOLVED IN THIS AND SHE DOES MORE OF THE DETAILS. 
          BUT JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW WE DO IT NOW THAT WE JUST WOULD HAVE TO SAY, NO, YOU'RE DEFICIENT IN THIS, THIS AND THIS AND GET IT BACK TO THEM. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE THAT DIALOGUE. IS THE WAY I SEE IT WORKING. HAVE A. YOU COULD HIRE A PRIVATE PROVIDER TO REVIEW SOMEBODY'S APPLICATION AND BYPASS THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT. SO, IF YOU DO THAT UNDERSTOOD IT TO MEAN THEY COULD HIRE SOMEBODY WHO'S KNOWLEDGEABLE. RIGHT. THAT'S REQUIRED. AND THEY WOULD HELP THEM DO IT. AND THEY SEND IT IN. 
          WELL, THEY SUBMIT IT TO US, AND WE STILL HAVE 5 BUSINESS DAYS TO DETERMINE IF IT'S COMPLETE. 
          OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN IT WOULD BE LIKE IT IS NOW. LIKE WHEN YOU. I DIDN'T SEE IT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN IF THEY HIRED AN ENGINEERING FIRM TO COME IN AND THE ENGINEERING FIRMS ALREADY GIVEN THEM THEIR ADVICE ON WHAT THEY THINK THE SITE PLAN IS OR ATTORNEY OR WHATEVER. AND THEN YOU GET THERE AND CITY STAFF SAYS WELL NO, YOU'RE INTERPRETING THIS WRONG. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THAT BACK AND FORTH. AND IF WE DON'T, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITHIN 45 DAYS. AND THEN IF WE FAIL TO ACT AFTER WE GIVE, AFTER THEY'VE GIVEN US NOTICE AND THEN IT'S JUST DEEMED APPROVED WITHOUT CONDITIONS. 
          SO, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE COMING UP WITH A TIMELINE SO THAT WE CAN REVIEW EVERYTHING WITHIN THE FIVE DAYS WHEN IT COMES IN AND OTHERWISE IT ENDS UP DEEMED COMPLETE AND APPROVED WITH NO CONDITIONS. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE BUILDING SIDE AS WELL. 
          AND THERE'S A PLAT COMPONENT TO THIS AS WELL SO THAT THE CITY CAN USE QUALIFIED CONTRACTORS TO EXPEDITE THE PLAT REVIEW. 
          OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T CREATE ADDITIONAL LOCAL PROCEDURES OR CONDITIONS AND ASSISTANT WITH STATE LAW THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS ALREADY PASSED. 
          SO, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SENDING IT THROUGH PLANNING BOARD. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER COMMUNITIES WERE HAVING WERE BEING TOO ONEROUS AND WHAT THEY WERE REQUIRING, BUT THEY FELT LIKE THE NEED IN 927 TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THE COMMONLY USED FORMS OF FINANCIAL ASSURANCES SUCH AS PERFORMANCE BONDS, LETTERS OF CREDITS AND ESCROW AGREEMENTS. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT HERE. SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT JURISDICTION WAS HAVING AN ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          BUT THOSE ARE THE STANDARD WHAT WE REQUIRE FOR BONDING THE WORK FOR ROADS. AND THEN AGAIN UNDER 177, THIS IS MORE AGAIN PLAT RELATED. IT EXPANDS EXPEDITED PERMITTING TO ONE OR MORE PHASES OF A SUBDIVISION OR PLANNED COMMUNITY. SO, WE DO HAVE TO GET THE PERMITTING THROUGH IF THERE ARE PHASES OF IT. YEAH. AND THEN THE 177 WHICH IS ALREADY IN PLACE, ACCEPTED OF DOCUMENTS PREPARED AND SEALED BY A QUALIFIED CONTRACTOR IN LIEU OF MUNICIPAL REVIEW WHERE AUTHORIZED AND THEN PROVIDES APPLICANTS WITH A FIVE-YEAR VESTED RIGHT AND APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLATS. 
          SO, INSTEAD OF, I BELIEVE IT WAS ONE YEAR UNDER OUR CODE, NOW IT IS GUARANTEED FIVE YEAR FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT. WHICH AGAIN JUST MAKES US HAVE TO REMEMBER, WHAT WE'VE GOT ON FILE AND WHAT WE'VE DEDICATED. 
          YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY'S PLATTED FOR A COMMUNITY, WHAT SERVICES YOU COMMITTED AND IMPACT TO YOUR POLICE, FIRE, YOUR WATER SEWER. ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? YEAH, WE JUST WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW WE WOULD STRUCTURE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDER NOW BECAUSE NORMALLY THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS PART OF THAT TRC APPROVAL. SO, WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT. 
          BECAUSE NOW, THAT'S A, IT'S GOOD FOR A YEAR AND THEN YOU CAN GET TWO EXTENSIONS. 
          BUT IF IT'S PART OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO, HAVE 
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THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDER AND COINCIDE WITH THAT FIVE YEAR. 
          AND THAT WOULD MEAN THE SITE PLAN WOULD BE VESTED FOR FIVE YEARS. THAT WOULD MEAN THE SITE PLAN TOO. RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT'LL HAPPEN. 
          WELL, I MEAN, IT'S GOOD BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S REALLY HARD TO BUILD THINGS IN A YEAR. 
          WELL, YEAH, YOU DO GET THE EXTENSIONS. 
          SO, IN OUR CODE YOU GOT UP TO TWO EXTENSIONS. CORRECT. 
          SO, IT'S TWO YEARS. IT'S GOOD FOR TWO YEARS NOW WITH THE EXTENSIONS. OH, BECAUSE IT'S TWO SIX-MONTH EXTENSIONS. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER BACK. YES. SO, TWO SIX-MONTH EXTENSIONS. IS THERE A WAY, WHAT IF, WHAT IF A PROJECT THAT'S GOT A FIVE-YEAR VESTED, RIGHT. THEY DECIDE TO NOT DEVELOP. THEY MAKE A BUSINESS DECISION NOT TO DEVELOP. DO THEY HAVE A RIGHT THEN TO SELL THAT TO ANOTHER DEVELOPER? YEAH, IT TRANSFERS WITH THE LAND. SO, THE SURF IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. 
          AT ONE POINT THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE HOUSES OUT OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THEY GOT. 
          AND THEN THEY DECIDED NOT TO GO FORWARD. RIGHT. AND IT STAYED THE SURF. SO, IF THIS, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN LONGER THAN FIVE YEARS. BUT YES, IF YOU STARTED A PROJECT AND YOU DECIDED NOT TO MOVE FORWARD, THEN YES, YOU COULD SELL THE LAND WITH THAT VESTED RIGHT ON IT. THAT'S WHY IT'S VESTED. 
          IT'S VESTED TO THE LAND AND IT'LL TRANSFER. 
          AND THEN IF THEY WANTED TO AMEND IT, THEY WOULD COME IN. WE, WE HAVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ONE HOLY MESS CALLED TRINGALI PROPERTY. IT COULDN'T BE ANY WORSE. IT'S BEEN THAT WAY. NO ONE SEEMS TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR CLEANING IT UP, DOING ANYTHING WITH IT. IT JUST SITS THERE. IS THAT GOING TO CREATE MORE OF THAT, THAT KIND OF CLAUSE? I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T THINK THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO. NO, I DON'T THINK THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO. I'M JUST ASKING. I MEAN, UNLESS. UNLESS IF THE HYPOTHETICAL WAS, THEY CHOSE TO STOP AND LEAVE BECAUSE OF A DOWNTURN. IN A DOWNTURN, SURE. I MEAN IN THE DOWNTURN WE SAW IT EVERYWHERE. WE SAW HOUSES THAT BURNED AND WERE JUST LEFT. WE SAW. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK IN A NORMAL ECONOMY, YES, IN AN EXTREME ECONOMY, YOU COULD SEE WHERE THE DEVELOPER MAY WALK AND LET IT SIT FALLOW AND NOT TAKE CARE OF IT. I MEAN, WE HAD THE HOTEL OVER THERE, JUST ON THIS SIDE OF THE BRIDGE INSTEAD IT WAS. 
          WELL, THAT'S TRUE. AND THAT WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE. THEY WEREN'T PROCEEDING UNTIL WE GOT A NEW BUILDING OFFICIAL. AND SO, YOU DO SEE PROJECTS WHERE IT CAN HAPPEN. BUT. 
          BUT THIS CODE WASN'T EVEN IN PLACE FOR THAT HOTEL. AND IT ENDED UP LANGUISHING FOR A LONG TIME. I JUST GET WORRIED WHEN YOU START EXTENDING THINGS OUT THEN THAT THE PERIOD OF TIME FOR DISCIPLINARY ACTION JUST GETS KICK DOWN THE ROAD. 
          WELL, ON THE OTHER END OF THAT, IF YOU HAVE A BIG ECONOMIC DOWNTURN, YOU LOSE YOUR FINANCING OR WHATEVER, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN. THAT IS OUT OF THEIR CONTROL. YEAH. 
          SO, I'M NOT SURE GOVERNMENT SOLVES THAT. RIGHT. I MEAN, YOU'D STILL HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND WHATNOT. BUT IN A HUGE DOWNTURN, WE SAW A LOT. A LOT OF THE HOAS HAD HOUSES SITTING EMPTY, NOBODY PAYING. THAT WAS, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE FIVE YEARS. 
          TO ME, I SEE YOUR POINT, BUT TO ME IT WAS MORE FROM MARGARET'S POINT OF VIEW IS WE'RE VESTING RIGHTS. WE'VE GOT TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT. YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE SERVICING NOW? WE TEND TO HAVE A LOT OF SERVICE IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO, OKAY, SO WE'VE DEDICATED THESE HOUSES HERE AND THIS AND THIS AND THIS. SO, IT'S A TRACKING ISSUE AND A STANDARD LEVEL OF SERVICE ISSUE IS THE WAY I LOOKED AT IT. SO, THE COST OF BUSINESS GOES UP. 
          SO SOMEBODY. WELL, BUT THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE LETTER THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO SEND TO TALLAHASSEE ABOUT THIS POLICY TO ADDRESS THE ASSESSMENT OF VISIBILITY OF PROVIDING SANITARY SEWAGE SERVICES WITHIN A 10-YEAR PLANNING HORIZON FOR DEVELOPMENT OF OVER 50 LOTS. SO, THAT, THAT SORT OF IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE. 
          BUT WE GOT TO TRACK IT LIKE YOU SAID, SO THAT AS EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT COMES ONLINE, YOU, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH AVAILABLE SERVICE THERE IS FROM SEWAGE, FROM STORMWATER, FROM FIRE, POLICE, ALL THAT STUFF. IT'S A CUMULATIVE AND YOU COULD SEE IT AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY PROMOTE GROWTH AND TRANSFER. BECAUSE WHEN ONE PERSON GETS THE VESTED RIGHT, THEY CAN SELL IT AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY THAT THE NEW OWNER WOULD HAVE TO COME AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN. SO, THEN THERE WOULD BE A LONGER DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD. I MEAN, YOU COULD LOOK AT IT THAT WAY TOO. I CAN SELL THIS TO YOU. I HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND GOTTEN THIS PLENARY, PRELIMINARY PLAT. 
          IT'S GOOD FOR FIVE YEARS. 
          THERE'S A CERTAINTY THERE TO THE BUYER. SO, THAT COULD BE A POSITIVE TO GET IT MOVED ALONG. 
          BUT WHAT HAPPENED, I THINK WE HAD A LOT 
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OF THE PROBLEM WITH TRANSPORTATION AND ROAD CAPACITY YEARS AGO, I THINK IT'S STILL, STILL THERE. BUT WHERE, WHERE EVERYBODY SAID THE LEVEL OF SERVICE ON CERTAIN ROADS COULD ONLY BE UP TO A CERTAIN LEVEL. I MEAN, ONCE IT GOT TO BE SAY A D LEVEL OR AN F LEVEL, THEN YOU COULDN'T DO X, Y AND Z UNTIL IT WAS FIXED, UNTIL YOU WIDENED IT OR YOU DID SOMETHING. IS THAT SIMILAR TO THIS? BECAUSE AGAIN, LET'S JUST SAY WITH THIS 10-YEAR PLANNING HORIZON FOR DEVELOPMENTS OF OVER 50 LOTS, LET'S SAY THAT IT SUCKS UP AT 25 LOTS, THE SANITARY SERVICES. AND SO, THEN ANYBODY WHO COMES IN FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THAT 26TH LOT. YEAH, PRELIMINARY PLOTS ARE SITTING OUT THERE. WE'VE ALREADY MAXED OUT WITH OUR SEWER SYSTEM, SO YOU CAN'T DEVELOP, I MEAN, I MEAN THAT'S, IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE WITH THE TRANSPORTATION. AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME RECENT BIG PROJECTS, SO WE HAVE REALLY LOOKED AT THAT AND WE, THEY'RE HAVING TO GO THROUGH A TRANSPORTATION STUDY. 
          NOT THE SMALLER ONES, BUT THE BIG ONES LIKE THE NURSING HOME RECENTLY THAT CAME THROUGH. THEY'RE IN THAT PROCESS NOW AND THEN I KNOW THAT THE DARIUS PROJECT OVER ON 14TH, IT HAD TO GO THROUGH A VERY LENGTHY TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS. AND SO, IF SOMETHING'S TRIGGERED OUT OF THAT, THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY TO MITIGATE IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO EVEN IF THERE'S NOT SEWER CAPACITY AVAILABLE, IF THE PROJECT IS PROFITABLE ENOUGH OR THEY FEEL LIKE THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, THEY CAN BUILD A PUMP STATION, RIGHT? AND SO, THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY TO MITIGATE ANYTHING THAT'S AN IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY. YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THAT YOU FOLLOW YOUR LDC AND REQUIRE ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS. SO, YES, I MEAN IF THERE, IF YOU GET TO, IF WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY AND IF WE HAVE THESE PLANS AND WE'RE AT CAPACITY FOR THE PUMP STATIONS AND THE SEWER SYSTEMS, THEN IF A NEW DEVELOPER WANTED TO COME IN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS OR WAIT TILL WE HAVE AN NSCIP AND COMPLETE IT. BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD, BUT YOU COULD DO IT YOURSELF. 
          QUESTION. WHAT ABOUT SCHOOL SYSTEM? YEAH, AND THAT'S, THAT IS THAT HASN'T CHANGED AT ALL. THEY'LL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT THE SAME WAY THAT THEY DO NOW. WE HAVE THIS AGREEMENT. IF THEY ASSUME THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A 50, LET'S JUST SAY A 50-HOME LOCATION, PROBABLY TWO CHILDREN PER. 
          SO, THAT'S A HUNDRED CHILDREN. 
          OKAY. AND SO, DOES THAT MEAN THEY HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND BUILD THE SCHOOLS? I WOULD, I WOULD NOT THINK SO. 
          WHERE COULD WE PUT 50 HOUSES RIGHT NOW ON THIS ISLAND, IS THERE ANYONE, IS THIS HYPOTHETICAL? THIS IS VERY HYPOTHETICAL, BUT IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. 
          IF WE BRING IT DOWN TO EVEN FIVE. HOW WILL THE SCHOOL BOARD HANDLE THIS? BECAUSE THEY DO. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THOSE AGREEMENTS THAT USUALLY DON'T COME UNTIL A LITTLE LATER. 
          AND NICK AND MARGARET CAN HELP ME WITH THAT. HOW EARLY ARE THEY DOING? THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A FIVE YEAR. PRETTY EARLY, BUT I MEAN, IT'S A SCHOOL CONCURRENCY. 
          WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS. 
          AND THE SCHOOL BOARD IS REALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES CONCURRENCY THESE DAYS. 
          EVERYBODY ELSE DOES MOBILITY FEES AND IMPACT FEES OR WHATEVER. 
          BUT I THINK THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IF THE PLAID IS GOOD FOR THE PRELIMINARY. PLAID IS GOOD FOR FIVE YEARS OR ARE THEY PAYING THOSE AT THAT. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF. THEIR AGREEMENTS ARE GOOD FOR FIVE YEARS. THE AGREEMENT'S GOOD FOR FIVE YEARS. SO, IT WOULD FOLLOW THAT. YEAH, YEAH. I THINK IT'S ONLY TWO OR THREE. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S FIVE. 
          YEAH, I THINK THEY'LL HAVE TO. 
          THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS TOO. YEAH, SO THEY WILL. THEY'LL HAVE TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT. 
          TO YOUR POINT, I THINK YOU PROBABLY WOULD RESERVE THAT CAPACITY. I THINK THAT YOU WOULD HAVE. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO NOW. AND WE'RE. WE'VE GOT A MUCH BETTER HANDLE ON THIS WHOLE PROCESS. SO, WE MEET ONCE A MONTH WITH THE, WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. THEY SENT OUT A. THEIR CONSULTANT SENDS OUT A SPREADSHEET. AND SO, THEY HAVE REALLY RECOGNIZED THAT THEY HAVE ALL THIS CAPACITY OUT THERE. AND SO, THEY'RE ASKING US NOW, OKAY, ARE THESE PROJECTS? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE PROJECTS THAT NEVER HAPPENED. SO, THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING AT IT CLOSELY NOW. AND I THINK, I GET THAT THIS IS YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT I THINK THIS IS THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE PAB AS WE START TO HAVE TO INCORPORATE THESE NEW LAWS INTO OUR PLANNING PROCESS. AND I THINK THAT WHAT NICK JUST BROUGHT UP IS A CONCERN IN THAT ONCE THE DEVELOPERS REALIZE THAT THERE IS AN X AMOUNT OF CAPACITY IN WHATEVER'S DEVELOPMENT OR WHATEVER'S 
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SECTION, THERE ARE GROUPS THAT, THAT SUCK UP THAT CAPACITY AND HOLD IT. AND IF IT'S FIVE YEARS, THEY HOLD IT. AND NOTHING CAN HAPPEN UNTIL THAT FIVE YEARS IS UP OR IT GETS SOLD OR WHATEVER. 
          BUT IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE, WELL, THERE YOU'LL HAVE YOUR PRESERVATION OF RESIDENTIAL CARE, NO GROWTH. IF THEY'RE JUST HOLDING IT. THAT IS, I THINK, A PROBLEM THAT COMMUNITIES NEED TO BE AWARE OF. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD ADDRESS THAT, BUT YOU COULD FIND YOURSELF ALL OF A SUDDEN, I MEAN, IF DEVELOPERS REALLY GOT THIS, THEY CAN SUCK UP ALL THE AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITIES THAT SUPPOSEDLY THIS IS SUPPOSED TO CREATE, AND THEN EVERYTHING STOPS BECAUSE EVERYTHING HAS BEEN BOUGHT UP AND EVERYTHING STOPS UNTIL EITHER THIS TIMING ISSUE GETS TAKEN CARE OF OR THE CAPACITY ISSUE IS TAKEN CARE OF. I MEAN, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS WHOLE TRANSPORTATION IN THE ROADS, AND IT STILL IS AN ISSUE FOR SMALL COMMUNITIES LIKE OURS. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE AWARE THAT, THAT THIS COULD HAPPEN HERE WHERE IF ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING GETS BOUGHT UP, ALL THE AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITIES GET BOUGHT UP TO THE POINT WHERE NOBODY CAN DO ANYTHING. AND THEN ALL GROWTH, THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY TO STOP GROWTH. NOTHING CAN HAPPEN. YEAH. AND I MEAN, FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN THE PRIVATE PRACTICE, AND YOU KNOW, MR. GILLETTE CAN WEIGH IN ON IT AS WELL, THEY'RE NOT DOING IT NOW. I MEAN, WHEN YOU TELL A DEVELOPER WHAT IT COSTS TO GET THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE THIS AND THE THAT, ESPECIALLY IF HE NEEDS A PLUME AMENDMENT OR WHATEVER, THOSE COSTS GET UP THERE AND THEY'RE LIKE. 
          UNLESS IT'S GOING TO HELP MONEY. BUT. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IT DOES COST MONEY TO GET THROUGH THESE PROCESSES AND IT WOULD. YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, IF SOMEBODY JUST STARTED BUYING IT ALL UP, PRESERVING IT FOR FIVE YEARS, THEN THERE'S YOUR CONTROL OF GROWTH. IT'S DONE. BUT I THINK THE MARKET PRETTY MUCH DOES THAT ITSELF RIGHT NOW. 
          THE SURF IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. 
          IT WAS GOING TO BE HOMES? IT WASN'T GOING TO BE HOMES? NOW IT MAY BE HOMES AGAIN. WHO KNOWS IF THEY'LL GET IT DONE? AND IT'S JUST WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TO GET IT DONE. I THINK THAT THE MOVEMENT FOR THIS IN 927 WAS, WAS REALLY TO STOP TO MAKE GOVERNMENT MOVE FASTER AND NOT HOLD THESE PROJECTS UP AND COST MONEY FROM DELAY IN PROCESSING, DELAY IN REVIEWING AND JUST STOPPING A PROJECT BY MERE SLOWNESS. AND SO, THESE FIVE DAYS, THE 45 DAYS, ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE PLANNER LOOK AT THE CODES, WHICH THEY CAN DO ON THE BUILDING SIDE NOW, THEY CAN HIRE THEIR OWN BUILDER, I'M SORRY, BUILDING OFFICIAL TYPE PRIVATE PROVIDER. 
          THANK YOU. TO GO THROUGH OUR BUILDING CODE, WHICH SO JUST GLOBALLY, IT'S STRENGTHENING THEIR APPLICANT'S RIGHT TO USE THOSE QUALIFIED CONTRACTORS AGAIN, THAT ENGINEER, THAT PLANNER, OR THAT ARCHITECT THAT MAY HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OUR COMP PLAN THAT CAN ASSIST THEM. WE CANNOT CHARGE EXTRA FOR THAT. 
          WE CAN'T. WE CAN STILL CHARGE THE APPLICATION FEE. I'LL HAVE TO LOOK, YES, WE COULD JUST STILL CHARGE THE APPLICATION FEE, BUT WE CAN'T THEY DO HAVE TO REGISTER WITH US. THEY HAVE TO UPDATE THEIR REGISTRATION. 
          AND THEN MOVING AWAY FROM YOUR TWO, THERE WERE. 
          THERE ARE FOUR OTHER ONES WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. THESE THREE I DID IN ONE NIGHT WITH THE COMMISSION, THE BERT J. HARRIS I THOUGHT THAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN. AND THAT'S THE INORDINATELY BURDENSOME. SO, IF I IF LEGISLATION OR LAND USE REGULATION INORDINATELY BURDENS YOUR PROPERTY AND YOU FILE A BURT HARRIS CLAIM IN THE PAST WE HAD TO TALK ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC. SO, RYAN IS A GREAT EXAMPLE WITH THE BIOETHANOL PLANT, THEY FILED A BERT J. HARRIS AND WE COULD NOT GO IN CLOSED SESSION TO DEFEND DISCUSS WHAT WE WANTED TO DO. AND UNDER THE BERT J. HARRIS ACT, WHICH I THINK WAS ADOPTED IN 1995, WE HAVE 11 OPTIONS OF WHAT WE COULD DO TO TRY. 
          YOU'RE FORCED IN THE FIRST 90 DAYS TO TRY AND SETTLE WITH THE DEVELOPER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER. AND YOU WERE HAVING TO DO THAT SETTLEMENT ALL IN THE PUBLIC AND HAVE NO CLOSED SESSIONS AT ALL. SO, THIS WILL ALLOW US, YOUR CITY COMMISSION, TO HAVE A CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS WHAT THEY MAY WANT TO DO. IT IS SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS ONLY. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT IN THE PUBLIC LIKE WE DO NOW IF WE HAD COME UP WITH A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER. 
          BUT IT WOULD ALLOW US TO 
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AT LEAST DO IT IN PRIVATE AT FIRST. AND THEN UNDER THE CURRENT THE WAY IT IS, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO OUR CLOSED SESSION LEGISLATION NOW, WHICH IS ONCE THE CASE IS CLOSED AND THE INSURANCE COMPANY CLAIM IS CLOSED, THEN YOU CAN GET THE TRANSCRIPTS AND THEN IF THERE'S A STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS, THEN YOU CAN ALSO GET TRANSCRIPTS AND EVERYTHING. SO, IF THE TIME PERIOD RUNS FOR THEM TO FILE A CLAIM, THEN YOU CAN GET ALL THE INFORMATION EVEN IF THE CASE ISN'T CLOSED, THE INSURANCE CLAIM ISN'T CLOSED. AND THEN. BUILDING PERMITS AND INSPECTIONS. THIS ONE IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED ON THE PLANNING SIDE. WE HAVE NEW EXPIRATION FOR THE BUILDING PERMITS. THEY HAVE MANDATED THAT WE'RE GOING TO NOW HAVE A STATE PERMIT FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. 
          AND SO, WE WILL HAVE TO USE THAT ONCE IT COMES. 
          ONCE IT'S CREATED. THE REVISES THE EXPIRATION DATE OF A SINGLE-FAMILY BUILDING PERMIT. 
          IT'S ONE YEAR AFTER THE ISSUANCE OR THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE NEXT EDITION OF THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, WHICHEVER IS LATER. SO, WE HAD THE ONE YEAR AND THE SIX MONTHS. SIX MONTHS. 
          BUT HERE IT'S ONE YEAR AFTER ISSUANCE OR THE NEXT BUILDING CODE, WHICHEVER IS LATER. 
          WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IF A NEW BUILDING CODE CAME OUT, THEN THEY SHOULD IF THEY HAVEN'T ACTED AND IT HAS EXPIRED, THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IN. AND THEN IT WILL BE THE FLORIDA BUILDING COMMISSION THAT WILL HAVE TO ADOPT THE UNIFORM STATE PERMIT THAT WE'LL ALL HAVE TO USE AND POST IT ON OUR WEBSITE. WE'LL HAVE NEW DEADLINES FOR BUILDING OFFICIALS' RESPONSE OR IT'S DEEMED APPROVED, MUCH LIKE YOU'RE SEEING ON THE PLANNING SIDE. AGAIN, THE PERMIT FEES HAVE TO BE BASED ON ACTUAL COST, PERSONNEL PROVIDING THE SERVICE, CLERICAL IS INCLUDED, AND SUPERVISORY ASSISTANCE. 
          AND THAT RATE STUDY THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING IS GOING TO APPLY TO THE BUILDING SIDE AS WELL. 
          AND THEN IF THEY'RE ON THE BUILDING SIDE, IF THERE'S A PRIVATE PROVIDER FOR RESIDENTIAL, THE CITY CANNOT CHARGE FEES FOR BUILDING PLAN REVIEW OR BUILDING INSPECTIONS. IF THE PRIVATE PROVIDER IS USED FOR A COMMERCIAL PERMIT, THEN WE CAN DO REDUCE THE FEE. 
          WE HAVE TO REDUCE THE FEES BY 25% IF THE PRIVATE PROVIDER COMPLETES THE PLAN REVIEW OR BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND THEN 50% IF THE PRIVATE PROVIDER PROVIDES ALL REQUIRED PLAN REVIEW AND BUILDING INSPECTIONS. SO, WE ARE ALLOWED TO STILL CHARGE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, BUT WE'LL LOSE THAT REVENUE FOR CHARGING ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE IF THEY USE A PRIVATE PROVIDER. WE HAVE TO HAVE A LIST OF AUTHORIZED PROVIDER FIRMS IN THE CITY. WE HAVE TO DO A REGISTRATION SYSTEM FOR THIS AS WELL. AND IT HAS TO BE AVAILABLE ONLINE. WE HAVE TO ALLOW THEM TO REGISTER WITHOUT A FEE. AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THEY CAN'T PROVIDE THE SERVICE UNTIL THEY REGISTER WITH US AND THEN THEY ARE REQUIRED. THE PRIVATE PROVIDER IS REQUIRED TO UPDATE THEIR INFORMATION WITHIN FIVE BUSINESS DAYS. 
          SO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BASIS TO NOT USE THAT PROVIDER IF THEIR INFORMATION IS NOT UP TO DATE. LET ME SEE. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE PRIVATE PROVIDERS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ONLINE. 
          SO, WE ARE WORKING FOR AN ONLINE SYSTEM. LET ME SEE. I THOUGHT THIS ONE WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE ABOUT THIS NEW $7,500 EXEMPTION FOR CERTAIN PERMITTING. AND I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN VARIOUS PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS TYPE OF EXEMPTION THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT. 
          BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF CAVEATS TO THIS. FIRST, IF YOU'RE LOCATED IN A FLOOD HAZARD AREA, IT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO YOU. IF IT INVOLVES ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, STRUCTURAL, MECHANICAL OR GAS WORK. SO, NOW I'M THINKING, WHAT IS IT? JUST THE LITTLE, THE LITTLE SHED IN THE BACKYARD? THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT THAT'S GOING TO QUALIFY FOR THIS. ALSO, THE STATUTE SPECIFICALLY SAYS YOU CAN'T DIVIDE IT UP TO MAKE IT EQUAL 7,500. AND IT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT NOTARIZED THAT SAYS THAT THEY APPLY FOR THE EXEMPTION. THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE ALL THE DOCUMENTATION, THE CONTRACT THAT PROVES THAT IT'S 7,500. AND THEN WE HAVE NO LEGAL AUTHORITY. THEY HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IN THE AFFIDAVIT THAT WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE. WE HAVE NO LEGAL DUTY TO THEM. 
          SO, IT'S INTERESTING, THERE IS AN EXEMPTION FOR RESIDENTIAL HURRICANE AND FLOOD PROTECTION WALLS. IT HAS TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA AND THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATION FOR THE 7500. SO, THIS IS TO ALLOW THEM TO PUT UP RETAINING WALLS AND STUFF WITHOUT FULL REVIEW. AND THEN THERE'S AN EXPEDITED ONE THAT I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING 
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WITH VALUABLE WORTH LESS THAN 15,000. AND WE HAVE FIVE BUSINESS DAYS TO APPROVE THAT ONCE IT'S DEEMED COMPLETE AND THAT IS, THEY STILL HAVE TO APPLY, BUT IT JUST GIVES US A DEADLINE OF AN EXPEDITED REVIEW OF FIVE DAYS. AND THEN THE LIVE LOCAL. I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THAT. THE LIVE LOCAL WAS AMENDED, ALLOWS LIVE LOCAL AND MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT REGARDLESS OF ZONING. SO, THAT WOULD BE OUR MU1, OUR MU3 AND OUR MULTIFAMILY WOULD BE R2 AND R3. PROPERTY OWNED IF ON PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY OR THE COUNTY OR OWNED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. ONLY IF IT'S ENTIRELY WITHIN THE CITY. IT CAN'T BE SPLITTING JURISDICTIONS. AND THE CITY OR THE COUNTY OR THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS TO BE A PARTY TO THE APPLICATION. SO, I. 
          THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SOME GOVERNMENTS THAT WANTED TO DO LIVE LOCALS ON THEIR PROPERTY. SO, THEY'VE ADDED THIS EXEMPTION. THEN THERE'S THE RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION EXEMPTION. THIS ONE WOULD NOT APPLY TO WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SOUTH END RIGHT NOW, WHICH THAT'S COUNTY ANYWAY. IT HAS TO EXCEED 3 ACRES. IT HAS TO BE UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS. SO, YOU CAN'T JUST GO BUY PROPERTY THAT'S ADJACENT TO YOU AS A CHURCH AND HAVE THIS APPLY. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE OWNED IT FOR 10 YEARS. THE RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION MUST BE THE CO APPLICANT AND THEY HAVE TO KEEP THE HOUSE OF WORSHIP THERE. SO, THEY CAN'T DO THIS PROJECT, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS EXEMPTION AND THEN JUST SHUT DOWN AS A CHURCH. SO, IT'S A WELL WRITTEN. I MEAN, I THINK IT'LL ALLOW CHURCHES IF THEY HAVE EXTRA PROPERTY. I WENT TO A CLE THAT SAYS IN ST. 
          PETERSBURG THEY'RE USING A LOT OF CATHOLIC CHURCHES, HAVE A LOT OF PROPERTY. AND SO, THEY'RE DOING SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY. AND IT COINCIDES WITH THEIR RELIGIOUS AND KIND OF THEIR CHARTER OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH TO HELP PEOPLE. 
          AND THEN IT PUT IN SOME LIMITATIONS SO THAT THE JURISDICTIONS THAT WERE GETTING CREATIVE ON HOW TO LIMIT BUILDING HEIGHT WITH SETBACKS AND SETBACKS AND OTHER DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AND WE CANNOT EXCLUDE ASSEMBLAGES OF PARCELS IF THEY'RE UNDER COMMON OWNERSHIP OR CONTROL AND ONLY SEPARATED BY NO MORE THAN 15FT OF LAND AND LIMITED TO PUBLIC PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. I CAN'T REMEMBER. I THINK THE SEPARATION CAN'T BE A ROAD BETWEEN THEM. IT HAS TO BE PUBLIC PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. 
          WE DIDN'T REALLY THINK THERE WAS VERY MANY PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT THAT WAS GOING TO APPLY TO IN THIS WHEN MARGARET AND I WENT THROUGH. 
          THE BILL EXCLUDES THE CATEGORIES OF LAND FROM LIVE LOCAL, ANY AREAS OF CRITICAL STATE CONCERN, CERTAIN OPEN SPACE AND PARK DESIGNATED PROPERTIES AND LAND SUBJECT TO RECORDED CONSERVATION EASEMENT RESTRICTIONS, WHICH WE HAVE SOME IN THIS TOWN. AND THEN THE LAST THING WE HAVE IS THE AD VALOREM, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY TAX MEASURE THAT WAS PUT ON THE BALLOT. IT IS A HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 1F AND IT'S A PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. IT WOULD, IT WOULD AMEND ARTICLE 7 OF THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION WHICH GOVERNS ARE TAXATION, HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS, ASSESSMENT LIMITATION AND CONSTITUTIONAL TAXING AUTHORITY. WHAT IT ACTUALLY DOES, NO MATTER WHAT YOU'VE HEARD, THE WAY IT READS IS THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION IN YEAR ONE WOULD BE 150,000, WHICH WOULD BE EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1, 2027. THEN EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1, 2028, IT WOULD BE 250. THIS IS IF THE LEGISLATION IS ADOPTED. IF THE BILL PASSES. 
          NO, IF THE BALLOT MEASURE IS APPROVED, IT REQUIRES WHAT THE. WHAT THIS JOINT RESOLUTION DOES IS THEN ALSO REQUIRES THE LEGISLATURE TO CREATE A UNIFORM PROCEDURE FOR THE COUNTIES TO INCREASE THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION UP TO ALL REMAINING. SO, EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE SEEN IT'S BEEN PUBLICIZED AS A BALLOT MEASURE THAT WOULD GET RID OF ALL TAXES, WHAT THE BILL ACTUALLY SAYS IS IF THIS BALLOT MEASURE PASSES, THEN THE LEGISLATURE CAN CREATE AN EXEMPTION THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR UP TO ALL REMAINING ASSESSED VALUATION OTHER THAN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT LEVIES. 
          AND THEN THERE WOULD BE AN ANNUAL CPI INDEXING TO ADJUST THE AMOUNT OF THE EXEMPTION ON JANUARY 1 OF EACH YEAR. AND THAT WOULD NOT START UNTIL JANUARY 1 OF 2029. SO, AGAIN, THAT SUPPOSES THAT IT DOESN'T ALL GO AWAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE INCREASING IT BY A CPI. 
          IT DOES REDUCE NON-HOMESTEAD PROPERTY ASSESSMENT CAP FROM 10% TO 5% BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2027. AND AGAIN, THE BALLOT MEASURE WOULD HAVE 
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TO BE ADOPTED FOR THIS TO HAPPEN. IT WOULD REQUIRE A FIVE-YEAR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT. SO, YOU COULDN'T JUST MOVE HERE AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT IMMEDIATELY. 
          AND IF YOU'RE AN AREA OF CRITICAL LOCAL NEED, THERE IS. IT DOES PROVIDE THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN VOTE TO REDUCE THE FIVE YEARS ON THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS IF THEY WANT TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO COME LIVE THERE. AND THEN WHAT IT DID AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE WAS PROPOSED AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 9 OF ARTICLE 7. AND IN THE BEGINNING, EARLY YEARS OF THIS JOINT RESOLUTION, THEY WERE GOING TO RESTRICT IT TO JUST THE FIRST SIX, WHICH WAS REALLY GOING TO TIE THE HANDS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHERE THEY COULD SPEND THEIR MONEY AND WHAT THEY COULD NOT CUT, THEY COULD NOT CUT PUBLIC SAFETY, EDUCATION, INFRASTRUCTURE, NATURAL RESOURCES, LOCAL BONDS, RETIREMENT BENEFITS. AND THEN AT THE LAST SECOND, THEY JUST THREW IN EVERYTHING ELSE. SO NOW, WE CAN CUT ANYWHERE WE NEED TO. 
          EVERYTHING'S PROTECTED. IF IT DOES PASS, THEN IT'LL JUST BE UP TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO DECIDE WHAT HAS TO BE CUT AND WHAT DOESN'T. 
          NOBODY IS PROTECTED IT ANYMORE IF IT PASSES. THIS CAME FROM THE LEAGUE OF CITIES. I DID HAVE THE CITY MANAGER LOOK AT IT WHEN I DID THIS PRESENTATION BACK IN JULY. 
          THIS WAS THE ESTIMATED IMPACT TO THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH IF THIS BALLOT MEASURE PASSES. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE A REDUCTION. 
          THIS IS BASED ON 250,000. SO, THIS WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST-YEAR IMPACT IN 2027. 
          THIS WOULD BE THE 2028 IMPACT TO THE CITY AND A REDUCTION ABOUT 15% OF THE BUDGET. I THINK THAT HAS BEEN LOWERED FROM WHAT I REMEMBER NOW THERE'S NEW NUMBERS OUT THAT SAY IT WILL ONLY BE ABOUT 10%. AND THAT WILL BE SOMETHING WE'LL COVER IN SOME OF OUR BUDGET WORKSHOPS IS SHOWING THIS 10%. THERE WERE THREE LAWSUITS FILED OVER IT. 
          THEY CONSOLIDATED THE LAWSUITS. 
          THE HEARING WAS HELD JULY 29TH IN LEON COUNTY. IT WASN'T BY ZOOM. YOU HAD TO GO IN PERSON. 
          BUT I DO HAVE A RECORDING OF IT IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT. AND THE JUDGE RULED THAT THE BALLOT LANGUAGE WAS BIASED AND INACCURATE. I DID NOT PUT THE BALLOT LANGUAGE IN HERE, BUT THE TITLE ALONE, EVERYTHING. IT SAID IT WAS GOING TO WIPE OUT TAXES COMPLETELY. IT JUST. 
          IT WAS INACCURATE. SO, THE JUDGE FOUND IT TO BE INACCURATE AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE IS TO REWRITE IT. THERE'S OR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS 10 DAYS AND THAT 10 DAYS WILL BE UP TOMORROW. ENJOIN THE SECRETARY OF STATE FROM PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT AT THIS POINT. 
          BUT I THINK THEY CAN GET IT REWRITTEN AND ON THE BALLOT IN TIME. THEY COULD HAVE APPEALED, BUT THEY HAVE NOT AT THIS POINT. SO, I'M GUESSING THEY'RE GOING TO REWRITE IT. 
          AND I CAN SHOOT YOU THAT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD THE LANGUAGE IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S A VERY CREATIVE BALLOT MEASURE. IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT. I KNOW I'VE TAKEN A LOT OF HEAT OVER THE PAID PARKING BALLOT MANAGER. 
          THIS ONE WAS REALLY FASCINATING TO READ. SO, I'LL HAVE TO SHOOT THAT TO YOU GUYS IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN IT. 
          BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S NEWS FROM LAKE WOBEGON. CAN YOU SEND US THAT PRESENTATION? I CAN SEND YOU THE PRESENTATION. AND IN THAT LINK, I CAN SEND YOU THE LINK TO THE HEARING IN THE BALLOT LANGUAGE. AND THOSE TWO BILLS. HAVE YOU GUYS RECEIVED THE TWO BILLS YET? THEY'RE VERY INTERESTING TO READ. YOUR, WHY I CANNOT COMMIT THEM. NOT YOUR 927 AND YOUR 399. WE CAN. WE CAN CIRCULATE THOSE TOO. THE ONES THAT SPECIFICALLY. AND THE LIVE LOCAL. YOU MAY WANT THAT ONE. 
          THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE. THEY'RE INTERESTING READS. ONE OF THEM, THE PLANNING ONE, I THINK IS ONE OF THEM IS 37 PAGES LONG. JUST QUICK QUESTION. HOW ARE YOU DOING THE RATE STUDY INTERNALLY TO DETERMINE WHAT THE FEE SCHEDULE WOULD BE? BECAUSE I MEAN, WE DON'T REALLY TRACK TIME AROUND HERE. AND I MEAN ONE PERSON MIGHT DO IT IN HALF THE TIME OF SOMEBODY ELSE. AND SO, IS IT. MARGARET MAY BE VERY QUICK IN A REZONING APPLICATION, WHEREAS OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE. AND SO, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT A $5,000 FEE FOR A REZONING FOR PROPERTY GREATER THAN 10 ACRES WAS PRETTY BRUTAL. 
          RIGHT. IF YOU DO A REZONING BECAUSE THERE'S NO. YEAH. AND THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A LARGE-SCALE REZONING. IT'S JUST A LARGE-SCALE FLUME. SO, IT WOULD BE THE SAME LEVEL OF EFFORT FOR 10 ACRES VERSUS 5 VERSUS 3. IT'S THE SAME QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING. SO, JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE KIND OF MADE-UP NUMBERS BEFORE. 
          2500 FOR SMALL SCALE. 5000. 
          JUST DOUBLE IT. BECAUSE WE CAN. 
          BECAUSE WE CAN. YEAH. AS FAR AS HOW WE'RE DOING THE RATE STUDY NOW, I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE. BECAUSE YOU CAN DO THE SUPERVISOR AS WELL. BECAUSE MARGARET WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. 
          BUT YOU'RE THE ONE HELPING WITH THE INTERNAL RATE STUDY. I KNOW THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER IS WORKING ON IT. DO YOU HAVE ANY DETAILS ON HOW THEY'RE DOING IT? I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE GOTTEN THAT DEEP INTO IT, BUT TYPICALLY, 
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WE WOULD. YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          THE DIFFERENT LEVELS. BUT THERE WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE PROFESSIONAL BAR THAT YOU. 
          THAT A REZONING APPLICATION OR STAFF REPORT SHOULD NOT TAKE OVER. YOU KNOW, AN HOUR. 
          RIGHT. I MEAN IT MAY TAKE SOMEONE LONGER THAN AN HOUR, IT MAY TAKE SOME LESS. BUT THERE'S A PROFESSIONAL STANDARD THAT WOULD BE RESEARCHED FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS AS WELL TO DETERMINE, OKAY, WHAT IS A TYPICAL STAFF TIME SPENT ON THIS AND WHAT ARE THE TYPICAL PLANNERS, NOT THE SPECIFIC PLANNER, BUT WHAT IS THE PLANNER SALARY THAT WOULD TYPICALLY DO THAT FUNCTION? RIGHT. THE PLANNER AND I KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO DO THAT. THE PERSON THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE ASSIGNED IT WOULD BE THEIR SALARY. AND THEN THAT'S WHAT I ASSUME THEY WOULD DO IS, IS DESIGNATE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE YOU START BACKING THE NUMBERS INTO A FIVE-THOUSAND-DOLLAR APPLICATION FEE AND THEN REZONING AND THEN AN ANNEXATION, BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, YOU'RE SPENDING $15,000. AND A LOT OF IT'S THE SAME INFORMATION BETWEEN ALL THREE APPLICATIONS. 
          AND SO, YOU DO A LARGE-SCALE ANNEXATION OF 10 ACRES OR MORE, YOU WIND UP PAYING A LOT OF MONEY AND A LOT OF IT'S THE SAME INFORMATION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE LOOK AT THAT. 
          YEAH, WELL, YOU HAVE TO, I MEAN IT NOW THE LEGISLATURE SAYS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. I THINK I KNOW WHEN THE RATES CHANGED A WHILE BACK, NEITHER ONE OF US WERE HERE. I WAS ON THE OUTSIDE WHEN THOSE RAISES CHANGED, BUT THEY WERE INCREDIBLY LOW BEFORE. SO, MAYBE IT WENT. DON'T KNOW IF IT WENT TOO FAR IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. 
          BUT NOW, YES, IT'LL BE THE VARIOUS PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE INVOLVED. MARGARET'S TIME TO REVIEW IT. JUST DEPENDING ON THE TEAM THAT THEY WOULD PUT TOGETHER TO SAY IT HAS TO BE REVIEWED MY TIME. AND ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WOULD BE THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONS, COULD THAT NOT BE PART OF THE FEE? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THAT'S PART OF THE FEE. 
          RIGHT. AND THAT CAN VARY. AND SO, MAYBE THAT'S JUST THE DEVELOPER'S RESPONSIBILITY. I THINK THE COUNTY DOES IT THAT WAY. COUNTY, THEY PAY THEIR OWN. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU KNOW, FEE, PUBLICATION ORDER, BE ON THE AGENDA. YEAH, BUT IN THE CITY WE DO. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. WE, WE JUST ENCOMPASS ALL THE MAILING, THE ADVERTISING. WE DON'T PUT THAT OFF ON THE APPLICANT AT ALL. WE TAKE THIS FEE IN AND THEN WE PAY THE NEWS LEADER, WE PAY THE POSTAGE FOR THE 300 OR 500FT. WHEREAS YOU'RE RIGHT, IN THE COUNTY, THEY PUT IT OFF ON THE APPLICANT, WHICH THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION MAY BE THIS LONG OR THIS LONG AND YOU PAY FOR ORDER. RIGHT. 
          AND ALSO, THE NOTICE. I MEAN THERE MAY BE A LOT OF RESIDENTS WITHIN THAT 500. THEN THERE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING. SO, I THINK THE FEE PROBABLY WAS JUST THE AVERAGE. 
          BUT IF IT'S BACK ON THE DEVELOPER, THEN HERE HE CONTROLS. 
          EXACTLY. HE HAS MORE CONTROL OVER THAT. SO, THAT'S ONE OPTION WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          [7. STAFF REPORT]
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? MARGARET, YOU HAVE A STAFF REPORT? NO, I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          WE NORMALLY LIKE TO GET THE BUILDING PERMIT INFORMATION TO YOU GUYS, BUT ANGIE LESTER, WHO WORKS ON THAT, HAS BEEN OUT. SHE HAS BEEN OUT FOR THE LAST COUPLE, LIKE SIX OR SEVEN WEEKS ON SOME MEDICAL LEAVE. AND SO, SHE'S JUST COMING BACK. AND SO, I WANT TO CATCH UP WITH HER TO GET. GET YOU THE LAST COUPLE OF ONES. 
          BUT I WILL SAY I KNOW IT'S KIND OF HAS SLOWED DOWN, BUT THE INQUIRIES AND THE FIRST STEPS AND ARE LIKE, THERE'S SOME MAJOR PROJECTS THAT, I MEAN, AT LEAST 5 THAT ARE MAJOR PROJECTS ARE IN THE HOPPER. 
          BUT THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY PART OF IT, RIGHT? WHEN THEY START COMING FORWARD, THERE'S, THERE'S 3 DOWNTOWN, AND THEN OF COURSE NOW THE SURF IS A MAJOR PROJECT. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE 2 MAJOR PROJECTS ON AMELIA PARKWAY THAT'LL BE COMING IN. SO, THERE'S A LOT, SO. 
          IS ATLANTIC AVENUE STILL SUPPOSED TO BE STARTED THIS YEAR RESURFACING? THAT PROJECT, THEY HAVE APPROVAL, THEIR BUILDING PERMIT APPROVAL. 
          AND NOW THEY HAVE, NOW THEY'RE JUST GETTING READY TO PULL THE PERMIT. SO, I THINK IT'S THE FUNDING. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT DONE BY THE 17TH. SO, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PULL THEIR BUILDING PERMIT ON THE 17TH. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. WHEN IS THIS GOING TO BE DOWN OVER HERE, THE ROAD? THE STORMWATER? I HAVE NO IDEA. 
          YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER. I. I KNEW THERE WERE SOME ISSUES. I HAD TO GO BACK. I THOUGHT VAUGHN MIGHT BE USING A SPOON OR SOMETHING. ANY. ANY CLOSING COMMENTS FROM ANYONE. JUST. JUST ONE LAST THING. YEAH, I WAS. MY WIFE AND I WERE HIT WITH VERY, VERY SEVERE IDENTITY THEFT. 
          SO, PHONE NUMBERS, EMAIL, EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED. SO, I. 
          I THOUGHT WE HAD IT CORRECTED WITH THE CITY, BUT AS OF YESTERDAY, CAROLINE BEN'S CHECK AND IT HAD EVERYTHING OLD. SO, IF YOU. I NEED SOME POINT TO GET IT THROUGH. I THINK YOU'RE OKAY. YOU GET. I'M 
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GETTING THE STUFF ON THE NEW. 
          THE NEW ONE. BUT THE REST OF THE CITY, EVEN MY, I HAD SOMEBODY TRY AND CALL USING A REFERENCE ON THE, IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          YOU LOOK UP THE PHONE NUMBERS FOR EVERYBODY AND IT STILL HAD MY OLD STUFF. SO, I'VE SENT IT TO CAROLINE AGAIN TO GET IT CORRECTED, BUT JUST RUN EVERYTHING. I MEAN, WE'D GO THROUGH. IF YOU WERE SENDING OUT, YOU'D SEND IT TO MARGARET FIRST ANYWAY, SO IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. BUT I WAS. I'M NOT GETTING ANYTHING ON MY NEW EMAIL FROM THE CITY OUTSIDE OF WHAT I GET FROM OUT OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          SHE'S KEPT ME OUT OF TROUBLE. 
          ANY OTHER CLOSING COMMENTS GOING ONCE. WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.