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>>> DO YOU WANT TO CALL ROLL OR HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO IT?

>> DO I HAVE TO? >> EVERYONE IS PRESENT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO REALLY CALL ROLL.

>> EXCEPT FOR JOY. >> HI, I DIDN'T SEE YOU COME IN.

>> GIRL, REALLY. >> OKAY I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

>> I'M TAKING IT DOWN. EVERYONE'S HERE.

>> DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE DECEMBER MINUTES? ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THOSE MINUTES?

>> I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES.

>> DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> I SECOND IT.

>> ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE.

>> NONE OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT MOVING ON WE HAVE A

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PRESENTATION WITH MS. JACOBS. I'M GUESSING THIS IS ABOUT THE

HANDOUT WE RECEIVED. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH ADMINISTRATOR. ONE OF MY RESPONSIBILITIES IS TO CONSTANTLY MONITOR GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AND TRY AND MATCH THEM WITH INTERESTS THAT RESIDENTS HAVE AND OUR STATE COMMISSION HAS. PART OF THAT I FOCUSED ON IN RECENT YEARS IS TRAIL GRANTS. WE HAVE SO MANY WONDERFUL TRAILS ON THE ISLAND. I'M GOING TO BE SPEAKING BRIEFLY THEN TURN IT OVER TO MIKE WITH THE FRIENDS OF AMELIA ISLAND TRAIL. BUT ONE OF THE BIG GRANTS IS CALLED THE FLORIDA SUN TRAIL GRANT AND THERE'S OTHER GRANTS FOR TRAILS. OUR WONDERFUL COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS HAVE HELPED IDENTIFY A TRAIL THAT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR OUR CITY. TONIGHT YOU'LL HEAR AN OVERVIEW ABOUT THAT. BUT WHAT I ALSO WANTED TO DO WAS MAKE YOU AWARE WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC WORKSHOP.

WE'VE ADVERTISED THIS PRETTY EXTENSIVELY.

BY THIS WEEKEND IF YOU'RE DRIVING IN THE AREA OF THE PROPOSED TRAIL WHICH IS THE SCHOOLS UP HICKORY THAT WOULD BRING YOU DOWN SAFELY TO THE WATER FRONT AREA.

WE'RE GOING TO MARK THE TRAIL I THINK BY THE END OF DAY FRIDAY AND WE HAVE SIGNS ADVERTISING THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP.

SO YOU ARE INVITED TO THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP.

IT'S THURSDAY, JANUARY 23RD, AT THE AUDITORIUM FROM 6:00 TO 7:30. AND I'VE SHOWN YOU THE AGENDA FOR THAT AND BEHIND THE AGENDA IS A MAP OF THE TRAIL.

SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS INVITED AND GONE OUTDOOR TO DOOR.

AND WE -- OUT DOOR TO DOOR. AND WE THINK WE'LL GET A PRETTY GOOD COMMUNITY TURNOUT. WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT STORMWATER, SIDEWALKS, OR HOW IT RELATES TO THE LARGER PARK AND REC PLAN. WE'LL HAVE EVERYONE THERE WHO

CAN ANSWER THAT. >> WHEN WILL YOU BE APPLYING FOR

THE GRANT? >> AT THIS TIME THE CITY HAS DIRECTED ME TO GO SLOWLY, DO THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH FIRST.

BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION, INVITE YOU INTO THE PROCESS.

THERE ARE GRANTS EVERY YEAR, THE SUN TRAIL GRANT WHICH IS KIND OF MANAGED BY THE COUNTY BUT WE COULD PETITION THEM TO ALLOW THIS PROJECT AND THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE IN ABOUT, THAT REQUEST WOULD TAKE PLACE IN ABOUT 8 OR 9 MONTHS.

ALSO FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION HAS THEIR RECREATION GRANTS. THERE'S TWO OF THEM THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME FUNDING FOR THIS AND THOSE ARE ANNOUNCED IN JULY AND THEY'RE DUE IN OCTOBER OF EVERY YEAR.

>> I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR A TIMELINE.

>> WE'D START APPLYING IN THE LATE SUMMER AND DUE FOR

SUBMISSION EARLY FALL. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALICIA, IF YOU COULD FIRE THAT UP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WE HAVE A POWERPOINT FOR YOU.

MY NAME IS MIKE STINO. I LIVE AT 317 SOUTH 5TH STREET.

ON THE BOARD I'M ON EVERYONE IS SUPPOSED TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.

I'M ALSO A RIDE LEADER WITH THE NORTH FLORIDA BICYCLE CLUB AND I ALSO CHAIRED THE 5TH FERNANDINA BEACH COUNCIL.

WITH ME IS MIKE AND OUR FRIENDS FROM THE TRAIL GROUP.

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A MANY OF THE RUNNERS, WIDERS, WALKERS, AND COMMUTERS OF OUR TOWN I WANT TO THANK YOU AND THE STATE COUNTY AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS FOR PROVIDING SAFE SIDEWALKS, TRAILS, AND BIKE LANES. WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER WHAT'S BEEN DONE SO FAR. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. TONIGHT WE'RE HERE TO ASK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR A FURTHER EXTENSION OF THE TRAIL SYSTEM, ANOTHER LINK IN THE CUMBERLAND TRAIL, ANOTHER SECTION OF THE EAST COAST GREENWAY. LET'S START BY LOOKING AT A MAP OF THE CONSTRUCTED, FUNDED, AND PLANNED TRAILS ON THE ISLAND.

HERE IT IS. VERY COMPLEX HAND DRAWN MAP.

WORKING FROM SOUTH TO NORTH YOU CAN SEE THE COMPLETED AMELIA ISLAND TRAIL THAT RUNS FROM AMELIA ISLAND STATE PARK TO PETERS POINT. MIKE TOLD ME HE STARTED WORKING ON THAT IN 2003 AND IT OPENED IN 2013 TO GIVE YOU SOME SENSE OF THE TIME OF THESE THINGS. SO WHATEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IN THE FUTURE YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT AS ON DOWN THE ROAD. THE DOTTED SECTION ON THE PARKWAY SHOWS THE PLANNED AND FUNDED PORTIONS OF THE EXTENSION OF THE AMELIA TRAIL. THE GOOD NEWS ON THIS ONE, THE TPO, THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION FOR OUR REGION HAS SIGNALLED TO US THAT THIS WILL BE FUNDED IN THREE SECTIONS RUNNING FROM ABOUT 2022 TO 2026 BY THE TIME THAT WILL GET DONE AND ON YOUR MAP. WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THAT'S GOING TO RUN FROM WHAT IS NOW AT FLETCHER AND THE PARKWAY UP TO 8TH STREET. THE AMELIA RIVER TO C TRAIL THAT RUNS FROM CRANE ISLAND ALONG BAILEY AND SIMMONS ROAD OPENED IN SEPTEMBER. WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MORE OF THAT LATER. AND AGAIN THAT'S A PROJECT THAT TOOK ABOUT SIX YEARS IF I UNDERSTAND IT TO GET FROM THIS KIND OF A MEETING TO THAT POINT. THE COUNTY HAS DONE PRELIMINARY PLANS FOR A TRAIL TO CONNECT SIMMONS TO ATLANTIC.

WHEN I SAY PRELIMINARY, I MEAN VERY PRELIMINARY, NOT MUCH WORK HAS BEEN DONE THERE. IN THE FUTURE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A TRAIL ALONG NORTH 14TH STREET TO GET US FROM OLD TOWN TO THE PARK. AGAIN VERY PRELIMINARY, I DON'T BELIEVE THE COUNTY HAS DONE ANY WORK ON THIS YET AND THAT MIGHT BE A JOINT CITY COUNTY PROJECT. TONIGHT WE ARE ASKING YOU TO ATTEND THE PUBLIC MEETING NEXT THURSDAY FOR A TRAIL PROPOSED ALONG HICKORY STREET, SOUTH 11TH STREET, GUN STREET TO DOWNTOWN.

IN SEPTEMBER THE CITY WILL HIRE A PLANNING FIRM TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSED TRAIL AND PROPOSE PRELIMINARY DESIGNS AND COSTS.

THEY'VE NEVER TOLD US THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT JUST WASN'T GOING TO FLY. THEY WILL PRESENT THESE DESIGNS ON THE 23RD AND AGAIN WE'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO ATTEND THIS MEETING. CITY STAFF WILL BE THERE.

WE HAVE A LARGE GROUP OF EXPERTS THERE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE STORMWATER AND SIDEWALKS. WE'VE ASKED POLICE AND FIRE TO SHOW UP JUST TO BE ON SITE IN CASE THERE'S QUESTIONS FROM THEM. SO THE SCHOOLS TO DOWNTOWN WATERFRONT TRAIL WOULD CONNECT THE HIGH SCHOOL PARKING LOT ALONG HICKORY PAST THE BALL FIELDS TO 14TH STREET.

WE HAVE A CROSSING GUARD THERE TWICE A DAY, WE THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE FOR AN ON DEMAND FLASHING LIGHTS THAT WOULD BE ALL YEARLONG OBVIOUSLY. CONTINUING ALONG HICKORY PAST THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND UP SOUTH 11TH STREET ONE BLOCK TO GUN. NOW WHERE YOU'RE AT THE BALL FIELDS, THAT WAS THE SUGGESTION OF OUR COUNTY ENGINEER.

WE WERE GOING TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN HICKORY AND HE SAID DON'T YOU NEED TO GET TO THE CENTER, YES WE DO.

WE GET TO GUM STREET AT 8TH AND THAT'S ONE OF THE FEW PLACES IN TOWN WHERE THERE'S A LIGHT WHERE WE CAN GET ACROSS THE STREET.

I USED IT TODAY, BOY DOES IT TAKE A LONG TIME FOR THAT LIGHT

TO TURN. >> IT DOES.

>> BUT I GOT ACROSS SAFELY. THEN YOU HAVE THAT WIDE RIGHT OF WAY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF GUM ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 3RD STREET, JUST PAST THE AMERICAN LEGION HALL, IT WOULD CROSS THE ROAD, SWITCH TO THE WEST SIDE AND RUN DOWN ALL THE WAY TO THE MUSEUM AND ON TO BEACH STREET. NOW WE HAVE MET WITH PHYLLIS DAVIS AND BILL AT THE MUSEUM TO LOOK AT A PLAN THAT INCORPORATES THE TRAIL IN FRONT OF THE MUSEUM IN SOME KIND OF ENHANCED WAY.

THE SIDEWALK THEY HAVE THERE RIGHT NOW IS NOT THE BEST AND WE THINK WE CAN DO BETTER WE THINK WITH SOME WORK ON OUR PART WE

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CAN HAVE A NICE ACCESS TO THE MUSEUM THERE.

AT BEACH WE SHIFT A PATH TO A SHARED ROAD FOR ONE BLOCK TO SOUTH 2ND STREET, ONE BLOCK ON SOUTH 2ND ASH, AND ONE BLOCK ON ASH. WHEN I SAY BLOCK THESE ARE NOT LONG SECTIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 100 YARDS OR SO IN EACH OF THESE PLACES. AS YOU KNOW THE CITY IS WORKING ON A NEW SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE TRACKS FROM ASH TO CENTER STREET WHICH TAKES YOU TO THE WELCOME CENTER WHICH WE THINK OF AS THE TRAIL HEAD. WHY DO WE WANT THIS TRAIL, IT'S REALLY ABOUT SAFETY, CONVENIENCE, AND COMMUNITY.

WE BELIEVE THAT TRAILS ARE TOOLS OF CONSERVATION.

THEY GET CARS OFF THE STREET. THEY REDUCE THE NEED FOR PARKING. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WE THINK THEY CONNECT US TO OUR NEIGHBORS AND TO NATURE.

WHO WOULD USE THIS TRAIL, WE THINK SCHOOL CHILDREN, WALKERS, COMMUTERS, RUNNERS, BICYCLE RIDERS.

I LIVE ON 5TH STREET AND WE SEE DOZENS OF PEOPLE RIDING BICYCLES TO WORK EVERYDAY. WE THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO GIVE THEM A SAFE WAY TO GET TO DOWNTOWN.

3RD STREET AS YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW IS NOT A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

FINALLY I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL TO DO GOOD WITH THIS PROJECT. YOU MAY RECALL THAT WHEN WE ROLLED OUT THE AMELIA RIVER TRAIL THERE WAS PUSHBACK FROM SOME IN THE COMMUNITY. NOW THAT THAT TRAIL IS COMPLETED AND OPENED OVER THE SUMMER IN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER I AM PLEASED TO REPORT THIS PROJECT IS TRANSFORMATIVE.

NEIGHBORS ALONG THE TRAIL ARE TELLING US THAT HUNDREDS OF FOLKS ARE ALREADY USING IT. IT'S HARD NOT TO GET CAUGHT UP IN THE ENTHUSIASM. I RUN INTO MOMS AND DADS WITH KIDS AND DOGS. IT'S REALLY WONDERFUL.

RUNNERS, DOG WALKERS, MOMS, AND DADS.

WE HOPE THAT THIS PROPOSED TRAIL MIGHT HAVE A SIMILAR RESULT.

I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE ANECDOTE. MIKE WAS OUT ON THE SIMMONS ROAD TRAIL IN AUGUST AND WALKING WITH AN ENGINEER AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CHECKLIST THINGS THAT NEED â– TOGET DONEAND HE GETS STOPPED AND SOMEBODY SAYS DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS TRAIL AND HE GOES YEAH THINKING THEY WOULD YELL AT HIM AND IT WAS QUITE THE OPPOSITE.

THEY SAID THANK YOU SO MUCH, THIS IS SO WONDERFUL.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. SO I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY EASY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY DIFFICULT QUESTIONS THAT'S WHY MIKE IS HERE. WHAT CAN I TELL YOU.

YES, SIR? >> I ACTUALLY ROAD THIS TRAIL THURSDAY, I ROAD FROM MY HOUSE ON VERNON STREET TO DOWNTOWN, CAME BACK TO THE MUSEUM AND I DID IT, I STARTED IT WAS DUSK.

IT WAS JUST ABOUT TO GET DARK AND ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED WAS WHEN WE HAVE THESE TRAILS SOME TRAILS THERE'S SOME DARK

AREAS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. >> OKAY.

PARTICULARLY FOR FOLKS WHO WANT TO RIDE AT NIGHT.

>> NOW THE SIMMONS AREA ACTUALLY HAS A LOT BETTER LIGHTING IN IT.

SO THEY DID SOME WORK THERE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE PLAN THESE ROUTES OR WHATEVER, PEOPLE DO RIDE AT NIGHT LIKE ME. SO WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER SOME

LIGHTING ISSUES. >> ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S GREAT. I SEE PEOPLE RIDING DOWN MY STREET EVERY EVENING ON THE WAY HOME FROM HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS DOWNTOWN. MS. ALICA, IF YOU COULD PUT SOME OF THOSE PRETTY PICTURES I GAVE YOU, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? >> COULD YOU DESCRIBE CONSTRUCTION WISE HOW THAT WILL WORK.

>> SURE. AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO COME NEXT WEEK BECAUSE THEY'LL DO A MUCH BETTER JOB TALKING ABOUT THAT.

GENERALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 10-FOOT WIDE PAVED PATH.

THAT DOESN'T FIT ANYWHERE. THERE WILL BE PLACES WHERE IT'S FIVE FEET WIDE BECAUSE WE NEED TO PROTECT A SIGNIFICANT TREE OR BECAUSE OF THE UTILITIES WE JUST CAN'T MOVE SOME BOTTLENECKS THAT GUM AND 8TH STREET IS TIGHT THROUGH THERE.

WE HAVE WORK TO DO. AND SOMETIMES IT'S ABOUT WELL DO WE REALLY WANT TO MOVE A FIRE HYDRANT OR JUST MAKE THE CYCLISTS GO AROUND IT. I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE STORY ABOUT BAILEY ROAD ROUNDABOUT. WHEN I GOT TO BAILEY ROAD ROUNDABOUT I HAD TO GET OFF MY BICYCLE TO GET ACROSS THE ROAD.

AND I TALKED WITH THE ENGINEER AND HE SAID UH-HUH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. YOU NEED TO GET OFF YOUR BICYCLE TO CROSS BAILEY ROAD. I THOUGHT OKAY, SO THERE'S PLACES WHERE NARROWING IT DOWN IS NOT THE WORST THING.

ONE OF THE DRAWINGS I WAS MOST IMPRESSED BY WAS ON 3RD STREET WE HAVE SOME TREES THAT HAVE BEEN PLANTED BY THE RAIL YARD.

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THEY SAID WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT A PATH IN THERE AND PUT TREES BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE TRAIL AND ON THE WEST SIDE.

AND I THOUGHT WOW THAT IS REALLY CREATIVE AND IT CREATES A WHOLE DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT FOR THAT STREET.

MAKES A VERY DIFFERENT LOOK. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME. I'M LOATHE TO GIVE YOU A LOT OF SPECIFICS BECAUSE I THINK THEY'LL DO A MUCH BETTER JOB.

THAT'S WHAT WE PAY THEM FOR TOO. OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M NOT SURE I CAN TAKE QUESTIONS FROM YOU.

>> THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, YOU'RE

WELCOME TO. >> YOU SHOULD COME TO THE MEETING ON THE 23RD. OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I DO WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE TRANSPARENCY WITH WHICH YOU ARE OPERATING AND COMING TO US AT THIS EARLY STAGE OF THE PROJECT.

ALSO I THINK THE LAST VERSION WE SAW OF THIS WAS QUITE A BIT MORE CONTROVERSIAL. AND IT LOOKS AS IF YOU GUYS LISTENED AND MOVED THE TRAIL OUT OF THE AREA THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE PROBLEMATIC. AND JUST TO SAY AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS LIVED AND WORKED DOWNTOWN FOR WELL OVER A DECADE I WOULD NEVER HAVE TO GET IN A CAR IF I HAD A SAFE WAY TO GET TO THE GROCERY STORE AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE MISSING.

THIS GIVES EVERYONE THAT LIVES DOWNTOWN, I SAW A LITTLE BIT LIKE ON FACEBOOK SOME PUSHBACK BECAUSE THERE AREN'T A LOT OF KIDS THAT LIVE DOWNTOWN BUT THERE ARE MORE THAN PEOPLE THINK THERE ARE. BUT IT ALSO HAS EVERYONE THAT LIVES WEST OF 8TH STREET TO BE ABLE TO SAFELY GET TO THE GROCERY STORE WHICH WE CAN'T DO NOW.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT AS A RESIDENT DOWN THERE AND SOMEBODY WHO WORKS DOWN THERE THAT THAT COULD BE LIFE CHANGING FOR A LOT

OF PEOPLE. >> WE HOPE SO.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN ON SIMMONS.

WE HOPE THIS COULD BE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> FOR THE SPOT WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO PROPOSED ANY OF THE PLAN FROM WILL HARDY CROSSING SADLER, WHAT DO YOU PLAN FOR HAVING LIKE CROSSWALK WISE BECAUSE THAT'S THE BUSIEST INTERSECTION.

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WILL HARDY.

LIKE I SAID IN MY INTRODUCTION THAT IS WAY DOWN THE ROAD.

WE'RE NOT AS FAR AS WE ARE ON THIS ONE.

SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE DOWN THE ROAD THERE.

BUT YEAH THAT WOULD BE A REAL CHALLENGE.

>> I ALSO HAVE TO SECOND THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AND I THINK IT'S REALLY GREAT ESPECIALLY AS WE HAVE SO MANY KIND OF SMALLER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SIDEWALK ACCESS TO GET AROUND THAT THIS IS JUST, I THINK IT'S REALLY GREAT SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

>> I HEARD THAT A LOT ON 3RD STREET.

THERE WERE A LOT OF RENTALS AND MOMS WITH LITTLE KIDS AND THEY WERE SAYING THANK GOD, CAN YOU GET MY KIDS OUT OF THE STREET.

>> GUM TOO IS VERY DANGEROUS AS IT IS NOW.

>> YEAH. SO MIKE AND I JUST TO FILL YOU IN A LITTLE BIT WE HAVE KNOCKED ON I DID THREE ROUNDS OF DOOR TO DOOR PASSING OUT FLYERS, INFORMATIONAL STUFF.

THE LAST TIME WE WENT OUT IT WAS 82 DOORS?

>> WE RAN OUT OF FLYERS. >> 82 DOORS, PASSED OUT 90 FLIERS. WE DON'T WANT ANYONE TO BE SURPRISED BY THIS. WE WANT THEM TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AS LARALEI HAS SET UP WITH REPS AT THE STREET DEPARTMENT TO PUT SIGNS UP THIS WEEK ALONG EVERY PART OF THE TRAIL. SO IF FOLKS SHOW UP AND SAY THEY HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION BECAUSE WE HAVE REALLY DONE THE WORK.

WE REACHED OUT TO MINISTERS, METROPOLITAN HOUSING CENTER, THE BARBERSHOP, MR. CHRISTOPHER WILSON THE BARBERSHOP AT HICKORY AND 9TH. HE TOLD ME THE OTHER DAY I'VE DONE ENOUGH, I REALLY DIDN'T NEED TO COME BACK AGAIN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, IF NOT, I'LL GET OUT OF YOUR WAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 23RD.

AND WE'VE HEARD YOUR CONCERN, IF YOU'RE AT THAT MEETING ON THE 23RD IF YOU WANT TO BRING THAT UP AGAIN, IT DOESN'T HURT AT ALL. THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION I GUESS TO PUT IT OUT IN THE OPEN SINCE IT'S WITHIN THE CITY IF THERE WAS ANY WAY TO PUT AT SOME POINT THE DOG BAG STATIONS WITH THE SMALL TRASH CANS ATTACHED.

I WALK THAT TRAIL FREQUENTLY AND BIKE IT AND WHAT I'VE NOTICED IS A LOT OF PEOPLE MEAN VERY WELL AND THEY BRING THEIR BAG AND THEY'RE LIKE I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT HERE AND PICK IT UP ON THE WAY BACK AND THEY FORGET. AND IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S NO TRASH RESEPTEMBER -- RECEPTACLES.

BUT I KNOW THAT BECOMES MAINTENANCE FOR THE CITY.

BUT THERE'S ALSO A GOOD AMOUNT OF DEBRIS THAT I KNOW LIKE WHEN

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ME AND MY CHILDREN WERE OUT IF WE HAD A TRASH RECEPTACLE TO PUT IT IN WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO STOP AND PUT IT UP AND THAT KIND OF THING. NOT THE BIG BLUE ONES, THE LARGE ONES AT THE BEACH BUT THOSE KIND OF NARROW LITTLE GUYS WE SEE AT SOME OF THE PARKS. THE GREENWAY HAS THEM AND STUFF.

>> MIKE IS TAKING NOTES AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO, OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING I LEFT UNCOVERED? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

OH TIMELINES. 6, 7, 8, COULD BE EIGHT YEARS.

FAIRLY LONG TIMELINES. LARALEI IS TALKING ABOUT APPLYING THIS FALL FOR A SUNSHINE GRANT.

IF WE WON THAT SHOVELS DON'T GET IN THE GROUND FOR SEVERAL YEARS AFTER THAT. JUST SO YOU KNOW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> DO WE HAVE DISCUSSION?

>> WE HAVE MS. BACH THE CITY ATTORNEY.

BUT I DON'T SEE HER HERE. >> TAMMI'S NOT HERE, I'M SORRY.

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>> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN. >> GOOD EVENING, PHILLIP CHAPMAN. I BELIEVE IT WAS THE LAST MEETING SEVERAL PEOPLE WERE APPARENTLY NOT HAPPY WITH MY ROLE AS LIAISON TO THE PARK AND REC.

WHEN I BECAME A LIAISON I DID ASK ALL OF THE CITY STAFF WHAT IS MY RESPONSIBILITIES AND BASICALLY NOBODY HAD AN ANSWER.

SO I ASSUMED MY ROLE WAS TO SIT AND TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

I TRIED NOT TO GET INVOLVED IN THE BUSINESS OF THE BOARD BECAUSE I MIGHT INTERFERE WITH THE DISCUSSIONS.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON AND WHEN I WAS APPROACHED BY THE NEWSPAPER AFTER THE STORY OF THAT MEETING CAME OUT I SAID I DID HAVE QUESTIONS BUT AGAIN IF I WERE TO ASK THEM IT MIGHT INTERFERE WITH THE DISCUSSION. NOW THAT DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE I FEEL I MUST ASK SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.

WHEN THE SIMMONS PARK, DEBATE WAS GOING ON THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF PUSHBACK ABOUT ALL OF THE UNDERBRUSH THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED. THIS PAPER I JUST GAVE YOU IS FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S PRESENTATION THAT HE MADE BEFORE THE COMMISSION. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING ON THE SIDE AND IT'S LABELED NATURE WALKING TRAIL YOU SEE THAT THAT TRAIL MEANDERS THROUGH QUITE A BIT OF LAND.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WOULD HAVE ASKED EXCEPT I THOUGHT IT WOULD INTERFERE IS HOW WOULD THAT WALKING TRAIL HAVE BEEN MADE WITHOUT REMOVING UNDERBRUSH.

THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF PUSHBACK THAT THE EIGHT FLAGS PRESENTATION WOULD REMOVE UNDERBRUSH.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS, HOW WOULD YOU MAKE THOSE TRAILS AND NOT DO THE SAME THING. THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF TALK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THAT REMOVING UNDERBRUSH WOULD HAVE. MY QUESTION WOULD BE WOULDN'T IT HAVE A SIMILAR IMPACT ON THE BRUSH THAT YOU REMOVED TO MAKE THIS TRAIL. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS DIAGRAM IT HAS A PAVED BICYCLE PATH. MY QUESTION WOULD HAVE BEEN HOW WOULD YOU PUT IN THE PAVED PATH WITHOUT IMPACTING UNDERBRUSH, WILDLIFE, AND MANY OF THE OTHER THINGS, ISSUES, THAT PEOPLE RAISED ABOUT SIMMONS PARK. PART OF THE DEBATE OVER SIMMONS PARK WAS THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE PUSHED FOR ALTERNATIVE SITES.

ONE OF THEM WAS THE GOLF COURSE. THE GOLF COURSE IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND. IT TRIES TO INCREASE REVENUES BY INCREASING GROUNDS. I WAS CURIOUS IF ANYBODY -- ROUNDS. I WAS CURIOUS IF ANYBODY INVESTIGATED THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE.

GOLF IN THIS COMMUNITY IS PLAYED PRIMARILY BY OLDER, RETIRED PEOPLE. WITH WE'VE ALL BEEN OUT TO

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RESTAURANTS WHERE THE FAMILY SITTING NEXT TO US DOES NOT HAVE THE BEST BEHAVED CHILDREN. MY QUESTION WOULD HAVE BEEN HAS ANYBODY DISCUSSED WITH THE GOLF COURSE HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT ON ROUNDS AND WHAT THE EFFECTS WOULD BE ON INCOME.

ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVE SITES WAS THE AIRPORT.

AT THE LAST MEETING YOU HEARD A LONG PRESENTATION ABOUT TM2.5.

MY QUESTION WAS WHY WASN'T THIS BROUGHT UP BEFOREHAND.

IF THIS IS SUCH A MAJOR ISSUE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WASN'T PRESENTED BEFORE. I BELIEVE, LET ME ASK YOU, MADAME CHAIRMAN, HAVE ANY OF THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE SUBMITTED A PLAN FOR THIS PARK EARLY ON?

>> SINCE YOU CHOSE TO ADDRESS ME, LET'S ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS, COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN. FIRST OF ALL IT IS NOT OUR JOB AS A BOARD TO BE DESIGNING PARKS AND THAT'S BEEN A LARGE PART OF THE DISCUSSION. BUT LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER WITH THIS, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE THE PARK HAS BEEN

APPROVED. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> RIGHT. >> WHAT I'M HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH IS I WAS CHASTISED QUITE SEVERELY FOR NOT SPEAKING UP AT THE COMMISSION MEETING ABOUT YOUR VOTE TO, BECAUSE I DIDN'T

REPORT YOUR VOTE. >> RIGHT.

>> PART OF THE REASON I DIDN'T, I SPENT 38 YEARS TALKING TO MYSELF AS A TEACHER. I KNEW THAT ONE OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAD A RATHER LENGTHY PRESENTATION THAT WOULD HAVE ADDRESSED THAT SAME ISSUE. SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON I NEVER SPOKE UP. BUT I ALSO FEEL IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY I NOW MUST ASK THESE QUESTIONS.

>> OKAY. COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN, YOU BRING UP THAT YOU TAUGHT FOR 38 YEARS. AND WE HAVE SAT HERE, I FEEL AS IF YOU ARE HERE TO ADDRESS US BECAUSE YOU'RE UNHAPPY WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS REPORTED IN THE PAPER BECAUSE WE WERE UNHAPPY THAT YOU WERE NOT REPRESENTING US AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS IN OUR BYLAWS THAT THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOME CLARITY AROUND YOUR ROLE OR WHOEVER'S ROLE AS OUR REPRESENTATIVE. HOWEVER I REMEMBER DISTINCTLY ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS YOU STANDING UP DURING THE SIMMONS ROAD DISCUSSIONS AND SHARING YOUR OPINION WITH US.

WE WERE ALL VERY CLEAR ON YOUR OPINION ABOUT SIMMONS ROAD.

SO IF IT WAS IN AN EFFORT TO NOT INTERFERE WITH THE CONVERSATION, WE CAN ALL THINK OF THINGS THAT WE WISH WE HAVE SAID IN HINDSIGHT. I'M SORRY YOU FELT LIKE YOU WEREN'T WELCOME TO STAND AND SHARE THINGS WITH US BUT YOU DID QUITE A BIT OF SHARING. I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF HERE WHEN I SAY THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED YOU BY NAME FROM THESE CHAIRS, WE HAVE DISCUSSED YOU BY NAME FROM THESE CHAIRS, AND I HAVE SAT HERE AND LOOKED AT YOU AND YOU HAVE NEVER MADE EYE CONTACT WITH ME IN A MEETING. I FEEL AS IF YOU ARE PHYSICALLY HERE BUT THAT YOU DID NOT REPRESENT US.

AND I DO UNDERSTAND IT WAS NOT CLEAR TO YOU YOUR ROLE WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS YOUR DUTY WHEN IT WAS LEFT OUT IN THE MEETING ON WHETHER OR NOT WE HAD MADE THAT VOTE.

BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT YOU SHARED YOUR OPINION WITH US.

SO I'M JUST REALLY CONFUSED AS TO WHAT --

>> FIRST OF ALL LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING.

EVEN AS AN UNDERGRADUATE WHEN I WOULD SIT IN A CLASS I WOULD KEEP MY HEAD DOWN. IT'S A FLAW THAT I HAVE.

I GUESS OVER ALL MY YEARS I'VE COME TO LEARN TO LISTEN TO BETTER WITH MY HEAD DOWN AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT MAKING CONTACT. IT'S JUST A HABIT I HAVE.

I GUESS PART OF WHAT IT IS IS I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE IN HINDSIGHT SOME THINGS BROUGHT FORWARD.

FOR EXAMPLE MY QUESTION, DID ANYBODY ON THE BOARD SUBMIT THEIR OWN PLANS FOR SIMMONS PARK?

>> NO, I DIDN'T SUBMIT A PLAN. DID ANYONE?

>> NO. BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD BY STAFF IT WAS NOT OUR ROLE TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH DESIGN.

SO THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO INCENTIVE FOR ANYONE ON THIS COMMITTEE TO TRY TO EVEN DRAW ANYTHING UP.

>> PART OF THIS DISCUSSION IS WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR ANYONE TO BE DESIGNING THIS PARK BEFORE THERE WAS AN RFP OR SOMETHING IN PLACE TO HIRE SOMEONE TO DESIGN THIS PARK. SO I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INAPPROPRIATE FOR ANYONE ON THIS BOARD, DID YOU COMMISSIONER SUBMIT A PLAN AT ALL FOR THIS PARK? BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE FOR A CITY COMMISSIONER TO SUBMIT A PLAN FOR A PARK.

>> MAY I ASK WHERE THE DRAWING THAT IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF

WHAT I JUST GAVE YOU CAME FROM? >> THIS CAME FROM, I PROBABLY

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HAVE THE ORIGINAL COPY OF IT, BACK IN 2018 WHEN MS. JACOBS INITIALLY CAME IN TO DO THAT PRESENTATION.

>> OH. >> JOY WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE TOO. YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE.

>> I WAS NOT. >> HERE I HAVE A COPY.

YOU WERE GIVEN THIS, AND I HAPPEN TO HAVE IT ON THE BACK OF AN EMAIL DATED MARCH 28, 2018. SO HERE'S THIS PIECE AND HERE'S

THIS PIECE. >> I'M ASKING WHERE DID IT COME

FROM? >> IT CAME FROM THE ADVISORY

COMMITTEE MEETING AT THAT TIME. >> WHAT PERSON SUBMITTED IT?

>> KELLY GIBSON. >> SO KELLY DREW THAT PLAN?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF SHE DREW IT, COMMISSIONER.

HERE'S HER NAME ON IT. >> BUT THAT'S IRRELEVANT.

THAT'S NOWHERE CLOSE TO THE PLAN THAT'S BEEN APPROVED AND IS

MOVING FORWARD. >> OKAY.

>> RIGHT HERE, COMMISSIONER. IT'S ON HER EMAIL AND SO FORTH

IS ON IT. >> LET ME MOVE ON.

ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU HAD WAS A LACK OF PUBLIC INPUT AND THAT WAS QUITE LOUD. YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE MASTER PLAN FOR QUITE SOME TIME. HOW MANY PUBLIC MEETINGS HAVE

YOU HAD ON THE MASTER PLAN? >> EVERY ONE OF OUR MEETINGS IS

PUBLIC. >> THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID.

>> EVERY MEETING IS PUBLIC. >> BECAUSE YOU WERE UPSET THAT THE PARK AND REC ADMINISTRATION DID NOT DO MORE OUTREACH ON SIMMONS PARK. MY QUESTION IS HOW MUCH OUTREACH HAVE YOU DONE ON THE MASTER PLAN?

>> ABSOLUTELY. WELL FIRST OF ALL THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE WERE WORKING OFF OF IS THE PRODUCT OF A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF OUTREACH AS WELL AS A PROFESSIONAL COMPANY THAT WAS HIRED BY THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH TO COME IN AND MAKE THAT PLAN. OUR GOAL HERE IS ONLY TO MAKE THAT PLAN. SOME ELEMENTS OF THAT PLAN HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FEASIBLE AT THIS TIME FOR OUR CITY AND AGAIN EVERY ONE OF OUR MEETINGS IS PUBLIC.

>> AND NONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS INVOLVED HALF A MILLION DOLLAR EXPENDITURE OUT OF CITY FUNDS.

SO THE INPUT, TO ME THAT'S A VASTLY DIFFERENT THING WHEN YOU'RE ASKING CITIZENS TO BE SPENDING HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

>> BUT THAT PLAN DICTATES OR DIRECTS EXCUSE ME, THE EXPANSION OF ALL OF THE PARKS AND RECREATIONAL PROGRAMS. I BELIEVE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE POINT IN THAT IT WAS AN ISSUE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THAT THE PARK AND REC PEOPLE DID NOT CONTACT MORE CITIZENS GROUPS.

YOU EXPECTED THEM TO GO OUT AND SOLICIT INPUT.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> AND YET YOU TURN AROUND AND SAY OUR MEETINGS ARE OPEN THE PEOPLE CAN COME AND GIVE US INPUT. TO ME THAT DOESN'T SEEM FAIR.

IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S AN EQUAL REQUIREMENTS HERE FOR

INFORMATION. >> I THINK THAT'S THE ROLE OF THE STAFF TO DIRECT THAT, NOT US AS APPOINTED, NONELECTIVE

ADVISORY BOARD. >> ABSOLUTELY.

WE HAVE HAD PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH MASTER PLAN ON THE AGENDA FOR 18

MONTHS. >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN, I THINK I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE. AND THIS IS PROBABLY SIMILAR TO HOW I FELT IN THE FACT THAT AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD IT'S BEEN VERY RARE THAT THERE'S BEEN ANY PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS ABOUT ANY PROJECTS. IF THE MLK CENTER GETS A NEW ROOF OR NEEDS AN EXPANSION OR THINGS, THERE'S NEVER A PUBLIC MEETING ABOUT WHETHER THAT IS GOING TO GO THROUGH OR NOT EVEN THOUGH IT'S BUDGETED FOR EVERY YEAR AND THE PLAN IS TO PUT ONE THERE. I LOOKED AT IT AS IT WAS A REQUIREMENT AS PART OF THE GRANT APPLICATION TO HOLD PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS TO DISCUSS THIS AND TO GET PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR IT. AND THEN ONCE THE GRANT WAS NO LONGER IN PLAY, ONCE IT WAS CLEAR THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE APPLIED FOR THEN THERE DIDN'T NEED TO BE, BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN A RECORDED PROCEDURE, HISTORY OF HOLDING PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS TO CONTACT THE PUBLIC LIKE EVERY TIME PARKS AND REC IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING. I DON'T RECALL THERE BEING ONE FOR EAGAN'S CREEK. I DON'T RECALL THERE BEING ONE FOR THE PIRATE PLAYGROUND. MAYBE THERE WERE, BUT I DON'T RECALL THERE BEING LIKE A MAJOR OUTREACH PROGRAM FOR ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS. SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE WAS THIS HISTORY OF EXPECTATIONS THAT THAT'S WHAT THE PARKS AND REC STAFF NEEDS TO BE DOING EVERY TIME THEY'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING. IF THE CITY COMMISSION FEELS

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THAT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THEN THAT'S UP TO Y'ALL TO DIRECT THEM AND SAY EVERY TIME YOU WANT TO DO A PROJECT OVER X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS Y'ALL NEED TO HOLD A PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING BUT UP UNTIL THIS POINT ANYHOW, THAT'S NOT BEEN THE CASE.

I CAN UNDERSTAND PEOPLE UPSET ABOUT IT.

BUT I DIDN'T SEE A BREACH IN POLICY IN ANY WAY OR A BREACH IN PROCEDURE THAT WELL WE HAVE A HISTORY OF DOING THINGS THIS WAY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS ONE RIGHT.

TO ME IT FELT VERY SIMILAR. SO I CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM IN HERE BY MAKING THE POINT OF WE DO LOTS OF OTHER TYPES OF PLANNING IN THIS KIND OF SETTING AND WE DON'T POST A SEPARATE MEETING TIME EVERY TIME WE DO A PROJECT.

I GET THAT POINT. AND IF THAT'S THE POINT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE, I'M WITH YOU ON THAT.

>> THE POINT WAS THAT WHEN THE CONSULTANT DID THE CURRENT MASTER PLAN THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF OUTREACH BECAUSE I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER ATTENDING THOSE MEETINGS.

SO I JUST, I FIND IT A LITTLE BIT CONTRADICTORY THAT YOU CHASTISED FOR ONE THING BUT IT'S OKAY ON THE OTHER.

AND ACTUALLY THERE'S, I'LL SAVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. >> NO, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

DO YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS? >> I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE TAKING BITS AND PIECES AND NOT ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE WHOLE. WHAT CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY IN OUR ENVIRONMENT WAS A DECISION ON THE BLUFF.

THAT KIND OF CHANGED THE ATTITUDE IN THIS CITY WHERE PEOPLE FELT LIKE THEY WERE BLIND SIDED AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS IN THE PROCESS OF US GOING THROUGH OUR NORMAL PROCESS OF ADVISING SO TO SPEAK THE EXPECTATION OF THE CITIZENS CHANGED AND THE SCRUTINY LEVEL OF THE CITIZENS CHANGED AFTER THE BLUFF PROCESS.

SO WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED WAS THE EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHAT'S GOING TO COMMUNICATE CHANGED BECAUSE PEOPLE FELT THEY WERE BLIND SIDED AS A RESULT OF THE BLUFF ISSUE. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS BEING TOLD. AND SO THE SCRUTINY LEVEL CHANGED AND THE HEAT CHANGED. SO ALL OF US ARE SITTING HERE GETTING A HIGHER LEVEL OF SCRUTINY BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS BECAUSE THE SCRUTINY LEVEL CHANGED.

SO IT IS WHAT IT IS. SO WE NEED TO BE MORE COGNIZANT OF HOW WE APPROACH OUR JOB AND BE MORE UP FRONT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE SO PEOPLE HAVE TRUST IN THE SYSTEM. THAT'S ALL IT IS.

>> COULD I ASK YOU TO EXPLAIN BLIND SIDED?

>> FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, NOW I DON'T HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA, I DON'T HAVE A FACEBOOK ACCOUNT, I DON'T HAVE A TWITTER ACCOUNT, ALL I KNOW IS YOU GUYS PUT US ON THIS AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMMUNITY TO GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND GIVE YOU BACK THE FEEDBACK OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.

I PERSONALLY DIDN'T CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHAT WE DID WITH

THIS PARK. >> I MEANT ABOUT AMELIA BLUFF,

SIR. >> AMELIA BLUFF, WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS THAT AS WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS IN AMELIA BLUFF WE WEREN'T PAYING REALLY GOOD ATTENTION.

SOMEBODY GOT APPROVAL TO GET SOME PROPERTY THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESERVED. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

AS A RESULT OF THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE PROCESS UP FRONT SO THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, COMMISSIONER.

SO AS A RESULT OF THAT WHEN I SAY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY COMING TO ME IN PUBLIC LETTING ME KNOW THEIR OPINION.

FOR SOME REASON AND EVERY TIME I OPEN MY MOUTH I WIND UP ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE PAPER FOR SOME REASON.

BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS, I'M JUST GOING TO TELL THEM WHAT IT IS.

MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY IS THAT THE LEVEL OF SCRUTINY HAS CHANGED AS A RESULT OF SOME THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST.

AND IT IS WHAT IT IS. ALSO FEEL LIKE IN TALKING WITH - PEOPLE TOO IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THIS ISLAND THAT ARE VERY UNHAPPY AT THE RATE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING.

ANY TIME YOU'RE PUTTING FORTH A PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT BEING CONCRETE POURED, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHETHER IT'S AN EXPANSION OF EXISTING OR WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING NEW, WHETHER IT'S NEEDED OR WHETHER IT'S NOT IT'S REALLY HARD TO SWALLOW. SO FROM NOW ON THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE PUSHBACK AND THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE SCRUTINY FOR THAT BECAUSE, I HAVE TO SAY IN ALL HONESTY I'M ONE OF THEM. I TOTALLY, EVERY TIME I SEE

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ANOTHER PIECE OF BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY, THOSE GOD AWFUL APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT WAS WETLANDS, IT'S NOT WETLANDS ANYMORE. SOMEBODY IS ALLOWING THAT TO HAPPEN AND WHETHER IT'S YOU GUYS OR NOT, IT APPEARS THAT WAY.

I THINK US AS AN EXTENSION THEN OF THE CITY COMMISSION ARE TAKING THE BRUNT OF ANY KIND OF PUSHBACK.

SO IF YOU TALK ABOUT EVEN PAINTING A 50-FOOT PARKING LOT, THAT'S SOMETHING. SO WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT AS A REPERCUSSION FROM THE DECISIONS ABOVE AND IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR US TO THEN DO OUR JOB TO FURTHER PARKS AND REC NEED BECAUSE UNDERSTANDABLY SO PEOPLE ARE A OPPOSED TO ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT WHETHER IT'S FOR PARKS AND REC OR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. SO WE KIND OF GET STUCK WITH THE

BRUNT OF THAT. >> TO PIGGY BACK ON TOP OF THAT, I JUST CAME TO THE BOARD, I HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF AIR QUALITY ISSUES THAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY ON FOR MANY YEARS.

AND I DID NOT KNOW THAT THIS PARK WAS UNDERNEATH THE FLIGHT PATH OF RUNWAY 422. AND I HAD A FRIEND WALK UP TO ME WITH A MAP AND SAY DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS UNDERNEATH THIS FLIGHT PATH. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, CHECKED WITH THE AIRPORT MANAGER, YES IT IS.

WENT TO THE AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD, YES IT IS.

NO ONE IS DENYING THAT IT'S UNDER THE FLIGHT PATH.

AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS THERE'S A WHOLE REPORT THAT JUST CAME OUT FROM FAA SAYING THAT THESE EMISSIONS FROM THE AIRPORT ARE GENERALLY PM2.5 EMISSIONS AND THEY ARE LARGE AND THEY ARE REALLY HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THIS BECAUSE ALL OF THE OTHER EMISSIONS THAT ARE COMING FROM AIRCRAFT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO CUT. FAA HAS BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD AT THIS AND I GIVE THEM CREDIT. BUT THE ONE THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO CUT IS THE PM2.5. AND I GIVE COMMISSIONER KREIGER GREAT CREDIT IN THAT HE HAS PUT ON THE CITY WEBSITE THE AIR MONITOR SYSTEM FROM AIR.GOV. I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

I ALSO TOOK THE TIME TO CALL FDOT AND SPEAK WITH TWO OF THE REPRESENTATIVES THERE AND THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED THAT WE'RE REPLACING THE PARK UNDERNEATH THE FLIGHT PATH.

AND THE FIRST GENTLEMAN WHO I SPOKE TO HE SAID THE TWO MONITORS WE HAVE IN NASSAU COUNTY, WE ONLY HAVE ONE ON THE ISLAND AND IT ONLY MEASURES SO2. IT DOES NOT MEASURE PM 2.5.

THE OTHER WOMAN THAT I SPOKE TO AND I HAVE NAMES IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED I WROTE UP A SHORT REPORT, HER FIRST COMMENT WAS I WOULD NEVER TAKE MY CHILDREN THERE.

I TRIED TO PROPOSE A COMPROMISE THAT WE PUT A SMALL MONITOR THERE THAT LETS PEOPLE KNOW ON THEIR PHONE IF THE AIR IS BAD AND THAT THEY COULD CHECK IT. AND IF THEY DON'T WANT TO USE IT, IT'S FINE. IF THEY DO WANT TO USE IT, THAT'S FINE TOO. BUT IT'S LIKE THE PACK OF CIGARETTES, YOU PUT THE LABEL ON IT, AND IF YOU WANT TO SMOKE THE CIGARETTES, GO AHEAD. BUT YOU KNOW THE WARNINGS THERE.

SO THAT WAS ALWAYS MY CONCERN ALONG WITH SOME OTHERS WITH THE TREES. BUT I DID NOT KNOW PERSONALLY, I DIDN'T UNTIL THIS FRIEND OF MINE WALKED OUT AND SAID DO YOU

UNDERSTAND. >> MAY I ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS.

>> SURE. >> PM 2.5 COMES FROM BASICALLY ANY SOURCE OF COMBUSTION. SO IT COMES FROM CARS, BOATS, FLAMES, FRYING FOOD IN YOUR KITCHEN, BURNING A CANDLE.

AS A RETIRED SCIENCE TEACHER I WAS VERY PUZZLED HOW WHEN THE PLANE FLIES OVER THAT SITE, HOW DOES PM 2.5 FALL STRAIGHT DOWN?

>> PM 2.5 THE PARTICLES ARE SO SMALL THAT THEY REMAIN SUSPENDED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, LONG PERIODS OF TIME ACTUALLY.

>> THEN WHY WAS ONLY SIMMONS PARK SUGGESTED FOR THE MONITOR?

>> CAN I STOP THIS FOR JUST A MOMENT.

ARE THE REMAINDER OF YOUR QUESTIONS RELATED TO SIMMONS

ROAD PARK? >> TO HER REPORT IN GENERAL.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS AGENDA FOR

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THIS MEETING THAT YOU HAVE BEHIND YOU.

WAS CITY STAFF NOTIFIED OF THE CONTENT OF YOUR PRESENTATION PRIOR TO YOU COMING TODAY OR DID YOU JUST LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU

WANTED TO SPEAK? >> NO, THEY KNEW.

>> BECAUSE THIS IS BACK TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING OUT IN THE OPEN IN THE SUNSHINE.

THERE IS NOTHING IF YOU LOOK BEHIND YOU AT THAT AGENDA, THERE IS NOTHING THAT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING SIMMONS ROAD PARK AND I JUST THINK IT'S VERY INAPPROPRIATE FOR US TO HAVE A DEBATE OVER SIMMONS ROAD PARK WHEN IT HAS NOT BEEN NOTIFIED ON

THIS AGENDA. >> IT'S NOT THERE BECAUSE THERE

WAS NO BACK UP MATERIAL. >> RIGHT BUT IT SAYS YOUR NAME IT DOESN'T SAY WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS SIMMONS PARK AT ALL.

>> IT WAS BEYOND THAT, IT WAS BEYOND SIMMONS PARK.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY AND CONTINUE, I JUST DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO DEBATE SIMMONS ROAD PARK WITHOUT IT BEING ON THE AGENDA. THE OTHER COMMENTS WERE BASED ON THE ARTICLE THAT YOU READ IN THE PAPER, CORRECT?

>> YOU BROUGHT THAT UP AT THE BEGINNING.

>> RIGHT. I JUST I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THIS BOARD BECAUSE AT THE LAST MEETING YOU WERE GUNG HO FOR THOSE POLLUTION MONITORS. WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH HOPEFULLY A PARK AT THE MARINA. NOW WITH ALL OF THOSE BOATS THIS CERTAINLY WILL BE A HIGH LEVEL OF PM 2.5.

>> I'M WITH YOU COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN.

>> EXCUSE ME, I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU.

PLEASE EXTEND ME THAT SAME COURTESY.

I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT PARK IF THAT IS AN ISSUE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FOUND TROUBLING WAS THERE WAS A PUSH TO MOVE THIS PARK TO THE AIRPORT. I'M CURIOUS WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF THE COMMISSION HAD VOTED TO MOVE THIS PARK TO THE

AIRPORT IN LIGHT OF PM 2.5. >> OKAY BUT THEY DIDN'T.

>> I KNOW THEY DIDN'T AND THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS --

>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A LARGE PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS THERE'S A LACK OF CLARITY AROUND YOUR ROLE WITH THIS BOARD. BUT I PERSONALLY WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO WHEN WE ADDRESS QUESTIONS TO YOU TO HAVE THEM ANSWERED HERE IN THE MEETING AND I THINK THAT IT IS ALWAYS APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO SHARE ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE REGARDING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING AS A REPRESENTATIVE. BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE IF THE OPPORTUNITY ARISES AT A COMMISSION MEETING WHERE THERE IS VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION LEFT OUT OF A MEETING BASED ON SOMETHING THAT OCCURRED IN THESE MEETINGS THAT YOU WOULD RESPOND TO US. I ALSO HAVE REACHED OUT ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS BY PHONE AND BY EMAIL AND NEVER ONCE RECEIVED A RESPONSE FROM YOU AS CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE AND I KNOW THAT MY LAST EMAIL TO YOU WAS THAT I FOUND THAT TO BE VERY DISRESPECTFUL. SO AS LONG AS WE'RE HERE AND WE'RE ADDRESSING IT AND WE'RE PUTTING IT ON THE RECORD THAT IS WHERE I WOULD SEE YOUR ROLE IN THIS COMMITTEE AND WHERE I WOULD BE, YOU ARE HERE IN THE MEETING ACTUALLY WHEN WE DISCUSSED THAT WE WERE UNHAPPY WITH HOW YOU WERE REPRESENTING US.

BUT IT TOOK AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER FOR YOU TO DECIDE TO COME HERE AND ADDRESS US EVEN THOUGH WE WERE ALL LOOKING AT YOU TALKING ABOUT IT AT THE LAST MEETING.

>> IT DIDN'T TAKE THE ARTICLE. THE ARTICLE CAME OUT AFTER THE

MEETING. >> RIGHT.

>> SO YOU CANNOT REALLY SAY THAT IT WAS THE ARTICLE THAT

MOTIVATED ME TO BE HERE. >> RIGHT BUT YOU DIDN'T ADDRESS ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT THE MEETING.

AT THE DECEMBER MEETING, YEAH. >> I KNOW THAT WE HAVE HAD DIFFICULTIES GETTING TO THE MASTER PLAN.

SO IF WE COULD WRAP THIS UP WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME AND HOPEFULLY GET SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE BYLAWS COMPLETED.

>> YEAH. >> BY THE WAY IF YOU CHECK MOST OTHER MEETINGS WITH LIAISONS THERE'S NOT A MONTHLY, WEEKLY

REPORT TO THE COMMISSION. >> THERE IS ON ONE OF THE OTHER BOARD COMMITTEES ACTUALLY AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE LIAISON TO REPORT AND GIVE UPDATES. I BELIEVE IT'S THE AIRPORT ADVISORY. BECAUSE I WENT AND PULLED THE AGENDAS FROM THESE BOARDS AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY ON THEIR AGENDA. AND IN FAIRNESS TO YOU, COMMISSIONER, YOU'RE CORRECT. THE CITY HAS NO GUIDANCE FOR YOUR ROLE. THEY ALSO HAVE NO GUIDANCE FOR OUR ROLE. WE RECEIVED NOTHING.

WHEN WE JOIN THIS WE DON'T GET ANY KIND OF INITIATION TRAINING, WE DON'T GET A PACKET. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH THAT. BUT FOR US TO DO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WE NEED WHAT THE BOARD IS ASKING US TO DO, THE COMMISSION, AND THAT'S WE NEED THE CITY AND THE COMMISSION TO START TO PUT TOGETHER SOME TYPE OF POLICY AND DIRECTION FOR THESE ADVISORY BOARDS. BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE IN THIS SITUATION.

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AND I ACTUALLY HAVE SPOKEN TO THE CITY MANAGER, I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH. THERE ARE POLICIES AND SO FORTH AND GUIDELINES FOR HOW ADVISORY BOARDS SHOULD BE USED IN CITIES, THE ROLE OF THE STAFF IN THOSE ADVISORY BOARDS, I THINK IF WE CAN MOVE IN A MORE POSITIVE DIRECTION TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THESE IN PLACE IT WILL HELP OUR SUCCESSORS, YOUR SUCCESSOR, AND BECAUSE OUR INTEREST IS ALL IN BEING TRANSPARENT TO OUR COMMUNITY REPRESENTING THE RESIDENTS.

WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DO GOOD FOR THE CITY.

SO I THINK IF WE CAN KIND OF AGREE TO AGREE OR DISAGREE AND SAY WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND TRY TO MOVE IN A DIRECTION WHERE WE GET SOME OF THESE THINGS CLEANED UP SO THAT WHEN THE NEW COMMISSIONER COMES IN, HE OR SHE KNOWS WHAT THAT ROLE IS.

WHEN A NEW ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBER COMES IN THEY KNOW WHAT THEIR ROLE IS. WE'RE FLYING BY THE SEAT OF OUR PANTS JUST BY WHAT WE'RE TOLD. SO MY POINT IS I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DIDN'T REALLY HAVE THAT DIRECTION.

BUT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WE DIDN'T EITHER.

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY, MOVING FORWARD.

DO WE HAVE ANYTHING, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, DO WE? OKAY.

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THE SUB COMMITTEE, SO WE MET LAST TUESDAY AND WORKED ON BYLAWS, EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE A DRAFT NOW.

I KNOW THAT TOOK A LITTLE WHILE TO GET BUT DID EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH THAT? SO I WILL SAY OUR HOPE HERE IS WE HAVE TENTATIVELY ANOTHER MEETING, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IT MAKE ADDITIONS AND CHANGES TO THIS BASED ON THE DISCUSSION HERE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH

THIS. >> MADAME CHAIRMAN, AS FAR AS THE MEETING IS THURSDAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THE BYLAWS.

>> YES. >> AND IF YOU HAVE CHANGES WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. BUT I'M WONDERING HOW THOSE CHANGES ARE GOING TO GET CONVEYED TO US ON THURSDAY.

DO WE SEND THEM TO MS. BROWN, OR DO WE, HOW DO YOU WANT -- I KNOW WE HAD A LITTLE TROUBLE GETTING THE BYLAWS OUT.

SO I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT WE'RE --

>> SO IF YOU -- >> SEND WHATEVER YOUR CHANGES ARE TO ME, I CAN MAKE SURE YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED FOR YOUR MEETING AT 9:00 ON THURSDAY.

>> OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING NOW? >> ANYTHING NOW OR ANYTHING PYO

DISCUSSION. >> TERESA WOULD LIKE TO LET THE REST OF THE BOARD KNOW THAT WE HAD INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH

SOME QUESTIONS. >> I GOT NONE OF MY QUESTIONS,

NO. >> WE HAVE OUR SUB COMMITTEE MEETING, WE HAD A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS AND WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WERE STATUTORY ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS BY ORDNANCE OR FOR A STATUTE OR ADMINISTRATIVE. SO TERESA WOULD THEN GET WITH TAMMI AND HOPEFULLY SHE WAS HERE AND I MET WITH MR. MARTIN.

ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS WAS WHY ARE WE REFERRED TO AS AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TRADITIONALLY IS SOME COMMITTEE THAT'S FORMED SUCH AS THE CHARTER COMMITTEE. WE HAVE A PURPOSE, WE HAVE A GOAL, WE FINISH IT, AND WE'RE DISBANDED.

SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IN THE RESOLUTION AND IN THAT PROPOSED RESOLUTION AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING WE'RE REFERRED TO AS AD HOC. WE'RE TREATED AS OFFICERS FOR PURPOSES OF SUNSHINE LAWS AND REPORTING AND SO FORTH.

SO I WAS JUST LOOKING AND MR. MARTIN WASN'T SURE ABOUT THAT. SO WE TRY TO FLUSH OUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS. I ASKED IF WHEN WE DO THESE BYLAWS THE PROCESS WILL GO TO THE COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION WOULD APPROVE IT. ANY AMENDMENTS YOU WANT TO MAKE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT PROCESS THROUGH THE COMMISSIONERS. SO HE ADVISED THAT WE BE CAREFUL ABOUT PUTTING REAL SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO CHANGE AT SOME POINT BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH

A PROCESS TO DO THAT. >> KEEPING IT SIMPLE.

>> SO THOSE ARE JUST, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I GOT

OUT OF THAT MEETING. >> AND FOR THOSE NOT THERE, WE JUST WENT THROUGH THERE WAS LIKE FOUR MAJOR CATEGORIES THAT I LOOKED AT AS FAR AS WHAT THOSE THINGS WERE.

THE MISSION, THE MEMBERSHIP RESPONSIBILITY, RULES OF COMMITTEE PROCEDURE. AND WE TOOK A WHOLE BUNCH OF THE BYLAWS AND PICKED THROUGH AND PUT THEM UNDERNEATH THOSE

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CATEGORIES. SO IF YOU FIND THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WITH RESPONSIBILITIES YOU'RE GOING TO FIND IT IN SECTION 3 WITH THE OUTLINE.

AND THEREFORE YOU CAN GO TO THAT SECTION AND PUT IN YOUR SUGGESTIONS IF THEY AREN'T IN THERE AND READ WHAT WE HAVE THOUGHT AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE TOO SPECIFIC BUT THERE WERE SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT WE SEEMED TO REALLY THINK WERE IMPORTANT AND SO IT'S JUST A GENERAL OUTLINE, 1, 2, 3, 4 IN EACH OF THOSE SECTIONS WE'VE DEALT WITH SEPARATELY.

>> YOU MAY WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHERE YOU GOT SOME OF THOSE THAT WE DIDN'T MAKE THESE UP. SOME OF THESE ARE PULLED RIGHT FROM THE RESOLUTIONS AND I GUESS THEY WERE REFERENCED.

>> PARTICULARLY OUR MISSION WE WERE CREATED BY RESOLUTION AND THERE WERE MISSION STATEMENTS IN THE RESOLUTION.

SO AS A RESULT I PUT THOSE IN THERE AS OUR RESPONSIBILITY SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD TO DO.

HOWEVER IF YOU REALLY FEEL THAT THE MISSION HAS CHANGED SOMEWHAT THEN YOU MAY WANT TO SUGGEST IF THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO APPROVE THIS THAT THE MISSION CHANGED SLIGHTLY BUT THIS WAY WE ARE COVERED AS FAR AS OUR MISSION STATEMENT.

>> AND WHEREVER IT SAYS RESOLUTION AFTER EACH OF THOSE

THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM. >> I DON'T KNOW THE REST OF THE BOARD'S SENSE OF IT, WE'RE MEETING THURSDAY TO TAKE THE INPUT AND MEET AGAIN. WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE.

I DON'T WANT TO FEEL LIKE THAT'S IT.

I PERSONALLY AM HAPPY TO COME BACK AGAIN IN FEBRUARY.

THIS IS THE PROCESS GOING THROUGH THE COMMISSION WE WANT

TO GET IT RIGHT. >> WE MAY NOT HAVE TO, WAITING ON CLARITY ABOUT THAT AS WELL, BUT WE MAY NOT HAVE TO GET IT

APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. >> OKAY.

>> MR. LAWRENCE SEEMED TO THINK SO BUT I DON'T KNOW.

>> I'M NOT 100% ON THAT. >> DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS, HAS ANY OF THAT HAPPENED DURING YOUR TENURE THAT YOU'VE HAD TO APPROVE BYLAWS?

>> THANK YOU. >> THAT WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

>> THAT WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE THINGS EASIER.

>> BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD KEEP THIS GOING AND GET IT

ACCOMPLISHED. >> YES.

>> I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A TOOL TO HELP SOMEONE WHO SINCE WE HAVE A LOT OF ONE YEAR TERMS ON THIS BOARD THAT WOULD HELP THEM, YOU GIVE IT TO THEM AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE DO AND WRITTEN IN PLAIN ENGLISH SO IT MAKES IT EASY FOR THEM.

NOT OVERWHELMING, JUST HERE IT IS.

>> AND THAT MEETING IS SCHEDULED THURSDAY AT 9:00.

>> HERE. >> HERE FOR ANYONE WHO IS

INTERESTED IN ATTENDING. >> ACTUALLY IT'S GOING TO BE US

THERE. >> ALL RIGHT.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? I KNOW IT'S LIKE A REALLY SHORT TURN AROUND TIME. BUT IF ANYBODY CAN GET ANY EDITS OR ANYTHING THEY HAVE BY LIKE MIDDAY TOMORROW TO ALICIA SO SHE HAS TIME TO GET IT TO EVERYBODY BEFORE THURSDAY MORNING, THAT

WOULD BE GREAT. >> RIGHT.

MOVING ON, EVERYBODY READY TO MOVE ON FROM THE BYLAWS?

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TWO, THE WORK PLAN. THIS ISN'T ME.

SO I'M NOT PREPARED FOR THIS ONE.

BUT DO WE WANT TO KIND OF OUTLINE SOME PRIORITIES HERE?

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>> THERE WAS SOME TEMPLATE FOR THAT THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL AS A PLACE TO START. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ALL PUT TOGETHER BY REC STAFF OR WHAT YOU HAD INTO IT.

I WOULD ASSUME IT'S THERE SOMEWHERE BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN JULY OF '18 AT THAT MEETING.

>> WHAT? >> A PRESENTATION TO THE

COMMISSION IN JUNE OR JULY. >> OH BUT THIS IS THE WORK PLAN, I WAS LIKE WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

>> IT WAS REALLY A SUMMARY OF WHAT HAD BEEN DONE.

IT WASN'T REALLY A PLAN MOVING FORWARD.

TO MY RECOLLECTION. BUT WE SHOULD GET A COPY OF THAT AND SEE, IT WOULD AT LEAST GIVE US A PLACE TO START.

>> DO THEY WANT ANOTHER ONE? >> YEAH, SO THE BACKGROUND IS THAT COMMISSIONER KRIEGER TASKED US WITH SIX MONTHS.

THEY HAD A CHANGE TO THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE, DUTIES OF THE BOARD AND THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO WAIT SIX MONTHS BECAUSE WE FINALLY HAVE THE FULL BOARD.

ONE OF THE REQUESTS THE COMMISSIONER MADE WAS THAT WE COME BEFORE THEM WITH A WORK PLAN THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN A PRESENTATION MADE TO THE COMMISSION IN QUITE SOMETIME.

SO I GUESS IN MY HEAD I WAS THINKING A WORK PLAN WAS FUTURE LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE PLAN TO DO BUT THAT'S MUCH EASIER IF IT'S JUST A SUMMARY AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE BYLAWS FINISHED BEFORE

WE SCHEDULE THAT OBVIOUSLY. >> WE MAY WANT TO GO WITH A SUB COMMITTEE AGAIN AFTER WE FINISH THE BYLAWS FOR THE WORK PLAN.

BECAUSE I KNOW WITH THE RESOLUTION THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY RESOLUTION, THE CREATION OF THIS BOARD, IT WAS STATED THAT WE WERE TO PRESENT THEM WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CAPITAL PLAN FOR THE BUDGET. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE ASKED TO DO.

IT'S IN OUR ASSIGNED RESPONSIBILITIES.

>> RIGHT. >> SO THAT MAY TAKE SOME EXTRA

EFFORT. >> ONE THING I COULD SEND, THEY SEND OUT TO US IS MY RESEARCH, I HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT WAS ACTUALLY PUBLISHED BY A RESEARCH CENTER IN WASHINGTON.

BUT IT'S A GUY FOR CITIZEN ADVISORY BOARD AND IT LAID OUT ALL TYPES OF THINGS AND THERE IS A SECTION ON WORK PLAN.

IT STARTS OUT BY SAYING THAT STAFF SHOULD BE PROVIDING A WORK PLAN FOR US. THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND KNOW THAT THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY. BUT IT LISTS THINGS LIKE WE SHOULD REVIEW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR OUR PORTION OF IT.

IT LAYS OUT SOME THINGS WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WANTS. ONE OF THEM IS TO REVIEW ITS PORTION OF THE CITY BUDGET AND SUGGEST DESIRED AMENDMENTS AS IT RELATES TO COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, CAPITAL FACILITY PLANS AND POLICY MATTERS. I DON'T KNOW THAT NECESSARILY THAT WERE TO GET INTO THAT DETAIL.

SO PART OF IT IS A DILEMMA IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE EXPECTED TO PROVIDE IN A WORK PLAN. YES? THE DOCUMENT IS 86 PAGES BUT THEN I WENT IN AND CREATED A CUT AND PASTE OF WHAT I THOUGHT WAS VERY RELEVANT TO WHAT WE'RE

DOING. >> YOU KNOW THE COMMISSIONER

WANTS THE WHOLE THING. >> SEND THE WHOLE THING.

>> IT GIVES EXAMPLES FROM BIG CITIES THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE APPLICABLE TO US. IT'S A GUIDELINE TO SAY WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE A GUIDELINE SO WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO

DEVELOP OVER HERE. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IN THE SUB COMMITTEE WAS THAT THERE NEED TO BE PERMANENT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE MEETING LIKE ONE OF THEM THAT WE THOUGHT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT WAS FACILITIES UPDATE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE GREAT TO KNOW WHAT THE DEPARTMENT'S REALLY DOING SO THAT WE COULD TOOT OUR HORN, THIS IS COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

WHEN SOMETHING GETS FIXED SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING IS UPDATED OR SOMETHING'S FIXED OR THE POOL SURFACE HAS BEEN REDONE, WE COULD HAVE A SHORT REPORT SAYING THESE ARE THE THINGS WE GOT ACCOMPLISHED. AND IT GOES A LONG WAY TOWARDS

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CAPITAL OUTREACH AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY ON.

YEAH I GET IT WITH THE BUDGET, WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY SPENDING MONEY ON. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE PAYING MAINTENANCE ON ALL OF OUR PARK FACILITIES.

SO IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO GET SOME SORT OF A WORK PLAN OF DOCUMENTS THAT WE COULD ASK OR REQUEST AND IF WE REALLY WANTED TO TAKE THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT MATERIAL, SUB COMMITTEE, ONE PERSON GIVES THE REPORT. IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE SPENDING, WHAT WE'RE SPENDING IT ON AND WHY WE NEED THESE THINGS. SO IT'S A PUBLIC OUTREACH THING AT THE SAME TIME, A WORK PLAN FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.

>> DO YOU WANT ME TO SEND THIS OUT TO THE COMMITTEE?

>> YEAH, I THINK SO. >> I BASICALLY CUT AND PASTED BECAUSE THERE'S A TON OF STUFF IN THERE, THINGS I THOUGHT WERE RELEVANT NOT JUST FOR US BUT FOR THE CITY SUCH AS THE CITY HAVING A POLICY STATEMENT ABOUT THE USE OF ADVISORY BOARDS.

I LOOKED AT THE CITY CHARTER, THERE'S A STATEMENT THAT THEY HAVE THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO USE ADVISORY BOARDS BUT THERE'S NO POLICY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THE BENEFITS OF USING THEM,

ALL OF THE POSITIVE THINGS. >> I'D LIKE TO SEE BOTH

VERSIONS. >> OKAY.

>> BECAUSE YOUR VERSION IS MORE OF A REDACTED VERSION.

>> BECAUSE IT'S 86 PAGES THAT'S WHY.

>> RIGHT. >> I SENT THEM BOTH TO THE CITY MANAGER, I'LL SEND THEM BOTH AND ASK HER TO FORWARD IT TO THE COMMITTEE. IT WAS THE MUNICIPAL RESEARCH AND SERVICES CENTER OF WASHINGTON.

SO THE REFERENCES WILL BE CITIES IN WASHINGTON, LIKE I SAID SOME OF THEM ARE NOT GOING TO APPLY TO US, THEY'RE BIG CITIES.

BUT IT WAS AN INTERESTING DOCUMENT.

I CHECKED FOR A LEAGUE OF CITIES BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I JUST FOUND THIS.

SO I WILL MAKE A NOTE AND ASK NAN TO DO THAT.

I'LL COPY YOU ALL. >> WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO DISCUSS THE WORK PLAN FURTHER? NOT AT THIS TIME.

>> IT'S JANUARY. SO IF WE COULD GET IT SOME TIME, THIS IS A TOTAL DIGRESSION BACK TO THE BYLAWS.

ARE WE THE ONLY ONES THAT SAW THE SAMPLE BYLAWS THAT WERE SENT? WE GOT A SET OF LIKE FOUR SAMPLE BYLAWS FOR US TO WORK TOWARDS DEVELOPING THE ONES WE CAME UP WITH. DID ANY --

>> THEY'RE ALL AVAILABLE IN THE AGENDA PACKET FOR THE SUB

COMMITTEE MEETING. >> YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT

THOSE TOO FOR SOME OTHER. >> SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN

THERE THAT YOU -- >> THAT YOU THINK IS MISSING.

ALICIA, IF YOU HAVE A MINUTE YOU CAN JUST POP THOSE OUT INSTEAD OF MAKING PEOPLE SEARCH FOR THEM.

NAN SENT THAT EMAIL. WERE YOU COPIED ON THEM?

>> IF NOT, I HAVE THEM. I CAN SEND THEM.

>> IF NOT I CAN FORWARD THE EMAIL.

>> I GOT IT. I'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT TOMORROW.

>> THE OTHER THING, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO ASK NAN IF SHE HAS A PRESENTATION COPY OF WHAT WAS DONE IN '18.

>> YES, SHE SAYS SHE'LL GET THAT OUT TO YOU GUYS.

>> OKAY, GREAT. >> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA

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IS THE MASTER PLAN, I DO WANT TO TAKE COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN'S COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION. I JUST WANT TO ASK THIS BOARD, DO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE. WE'RE VERY CLOSE I THINK, WE COULD POTENTIALLY VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING.

BUT DOES EVERYBODY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC INPUT THIS HAS RECEIVED OVER THE PAST NOW ALMOST TWO YEARS, ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS TONIGHT?

>> I THINK IT'S FINE. >> IT'S BEEN ON THE AGENDA,

EVERY AGENDA. >> FOR LIKE FOUR YEARS.

>> OKAY. AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT ON DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT OVER THE TIME AS WELL BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ON THE AGENDA. LIKE HE SAID WHAT WE'RE WORKING OFF OF HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH.

>> IS THERE A CHANCE THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ONE, AN UPDATED ONE

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SINCE THIS ONE WILL NOW BE FIVE YEARS OLD?

>> I MEAN I GUESS THERE'S ALWAYS A CHANCE.

>> AMENDMENTS AND SO FORTH BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGES.

>> RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW, LET'S HOPE THEY DON'T SPEND ANOTHER $25,000 ON SOMETHING THIS OUTRAGEOUS.

>> MORE ADDITIONS TO IT OR SOMETHING --

>> IT'S A DOCUMENT IT'S GOING TO CHANGE.

>> IT SHOULD CHANGE. >> IF WE APPROVE IT DO WE WANT TO SAY AT SOME FUTURE POINT WE CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> YOU CAN ALWAYS RELOOK AT IT.

>> I WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE THIS INVOLVED AGAIN, THAT IT WOULDN'T GO THIS LONG BEFORE IT WOULD BE UPDATED.

>> THE CRITICAL THING IS THAT IT GETS TO THE WEBSITE SO THAT PEOPLE LOOKING A AT IT, IF AMENDMENTS NEED TO BE ATTACHED OR WHATEVER TO UPDATE IT. BECAUSE I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME HAVE SAID IT'S THE PLAN THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S

BEEN AMENDED. >> RIGHT.

SO JUST TO GET IT DONE I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.

ALL OF OUR CHANGES HERE ARE UP THERE.

AS FAR AS I KNOW -- I HAVE AN EXTRA COPY.

>> OH AWESOME. >> SO I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN AMENDMENTS 2019 BE ACCEPTED.

COULD I HAVE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND.

>> THANK YOU. >> SHOULD WE CALL ROLL?

>> THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION AMENDMENTS 2019 BE ACCEPTED.

IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? >> IT'S THE PARK AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN AMENDMENTS IS THE TITLE.

2019. >> THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN AMENDMENTS BE ACCEPTED.

>> WHICH REVISIONS ARE WE LOOKING AT?

I GOT CONFUSED. >> HERE IS A COPY BEFORE WE VOTE THAT WAY YOU CAN, THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE TABLE.

AND THAT'S THE MOST RECENT. >> SO IN REVIEW THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE MEETING THAT WAS RECOMMENDED TO NOT CHANGE THE NAME OF ATLANTIC AVENUE.

THE ISSUE OF PARKING AT THE WATER FRONT.

IT WAS AGREED THAT THE PARKING SHOULD BE REDUCED AND THE LOTS RECONFIGURED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO REMOVE THE PARKING FROM CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE SHORELINE. AND AT THE SAME MEETING IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO INCORPORATE PICKLE BALL COURTS INTO THE EXISTING TENNIS COURT AREA. IT WAS CHANGED THAT WE REMOVE THE PICKLE BALL COURT FROM THE PLAN, LET'S SEE, THE PROPERTY ATLANTIC AQUATIC CENTER AND LEAVE THE BUILDINGS IN THEIR CURRENT USE. AND THE OTHER ITEMS ARE THE LAZY RIVER AND THE WATER SITE CAN REMAIN AS FUTURE OPTIONS AND THEN THE CENTER THE FUNCTION SHOULDN'T CHANGE.

THEY WERE GOING TO ADD A WALKING PATH, A RESTROOM WITH A WATER FOUNTAIN, A LARGER PAVILION SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, AND AT THE MARTIN LUTHER KING CENTER MAINTAIN ITS CURRENT USE SINCE IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE USED AS A SENIOR CENTER, THEY FOUND THAT IT'S CURRENT USE AS IT IS IF THEY CHANGE IT TO A SENIOR CENTER WOULD DUPLICATE THE SERVICES PROVIDED BY THE COUNCIL ON AGEING. DID I GET THE HIGHLIGHTS? WE'RE GOOD. ANY DISCUSSION?

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>> LET ME MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THIS.

WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO AT THE ATLANTIC RECREATION CENTER, YOU SAID PICKLE BALL WAS GOING TO BE --

>> REMOVED. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.

>> IT WAS PROPOSED. >> IT WAS PROPOSED.

>> BASICALLY RIGHT NEXT TO THE PLAYGROUND.

>> OKAY, GOT YOU. WE'RE STRAIGHT NOW.

>> WE'RE GOOD, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS.

ALL RIGHT CALL THE ROLL. >> MEMBER ROSS?

>> YES. >> MEMBER PUGH?

>> YES. >> YES.

>> THANK YOU. MEMBER DUNCAN?

>> YES. >> YES.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> WE HAVE TIME FOR COMMENTS.

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OH MY GOODNESS, OTHER BUSINESS? >> OTHER BUSINESS?

>> I HAVE A, WHAT HAPPENED TO IT.

SATURDAY I JOINED COMMISSIONER ROSS AND I WAS ASKED TO DO THIS, I DID NOT TAKE THIS UP ON MY OWN, TO GO TO A WHEELCHAIR, ADA AWARENESS ACTIVITY AND THIS WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS, I WROTE UP ABOUT THE RESULTS OF THAT. IN OTHER WORDS A LETTER PUT IN THE NEWSPAPER OR NOT THE NEWSPAPER, I THINK IT WAS THE OBSERVER, SOME PLACE THAT SAID THAT THE CITY'S PARKS WERE NOT ADA COMPLIANT. IT WAS VERY EVIDENT THAT A 300 POUND PERSON IN A SMALL CHAIR WASN'T GOING TO GET ACROSS THE SAND WITH WOODCHIPS. HOWEVER IF YOU PUT A CHILD AND I DID, I RECRUITED A CHILD FROM THE AREA.

IT WAS VERY EASY TO ROLL THE CHILD AROUND THE EQUIPMENT.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE SITE OF OKAY A 300 POUND PERSON ISN'T GOING TO FIT ON THIS PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT WITH A SLIDE THIS WIDE. HOWEVER CHILDREN COULD EASILY ACCESS IT WITH A WHEELCHAIR AND SINCE YEARS AGO WHEN I TAUGHT SPECIAL NEEDS STUDENTS AND I HAD CHILDREN WITH WHEELCHAIRS, MOST OF THEM HAVE MOTORIZED CHAIRS AND IT MAKES IT EVEN EASIER FOR THEM TO GET AROUND THE EQUIPMENT.

WE STARTED AT MAIN BEACH PARK AND WE LOOKED AT THE CLIMBING EQUIPMENT THERE AND THERE WERE A LOT OF CHILDREN THERE.

AND REALLY MADE ME FEEL GOOD. HOWEVER ONCE WE FINISHED AT MAIN BEACH, THE SAME CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER ROSS IN THE CHAIR OVER AT PIRATES PARK WE WENT IN AND IT WAS REALLY EASY TO ACCESS. YOU WENT INSIDE BUT THERE'S A SQUISHY MATERIAL UNDERNEATH THE CLIMBING STUFF AND WHEN YOU PUSH THE CHAIR ON IT IT SUNK AND IT WAS REALLY HARD TO TURN THE WHEELS, IT WAS REALLY HARD TO PUSH.

SO WE HAD THE SAME ISSUE NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF SURFACE WE PUT DOWN TO PROTECT KIDS FROM FALLING, IF YOU HAVE A 300 POUND PERSON IT'S REALLY HARD TO USE EITHER ONE OF THEM.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU DO ABOUT THAT.

BUT SOME THOUGHTS, YOU KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH. ALSO THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS CALLED A ROLLY BRIDGE KIND OF A THING.

I WAS KIND OF WARNED NOT TO TAKE HIM ON THAT ONE BECAUSE IT WAS HARD FOR A MANUEL WHEELCHAIR BUT THE KIDS LOVED IT ON THE MOTORIZED ONES. SO THAT WAS A WASH TYPE OF THING. THERE WAS A PIECE OF CLIMBING EQUIPMENT IN EIGHT FLAGS PARK, THAT'S THE PIRATES PARK, IT WAS STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN AS WAS EXPLAINED TO ME BY ONE OF THE EIGHT FLAGS PEOPLE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING AN ADA COMPLIANT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING A CHILD IN A WHEELCHAIR WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS. THE CHILD COULD SIT THERE AND WATCH AND I EXPLAINED THAT A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AT MAIN BEACH PARK AT LEAST HAD PLACES WHERE A CHILD COULD TRANSITION FROM

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WHEELCHAIR ON TO THE SLIDE. SO AT LEAST THERE WAS SOME PLACE TO SIT. SO MAYBE WHEN WE GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE EIGHT FLAGS DESIGNS WE MAY WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE FEATURES. I TAUGHT CHILDREN HOW TO TRANSITION FROM A CHAIR ON TO A SURFACE.

SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE ENCOURAGED BY PARENTS A LOT.

SO IF THEY EVER GET THEMSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, THEY HAVE THAT PACKET OF SKILLS IN THEIR POCKET THEY CAN PULL OUT AND GO OKAY I KNOW HOW TO DO THIS BECAUSE I DID THIS HERE, HERE, AND HERE. ONE OF THE THINGS I DID NOTICE WAS THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO BE HAVING, AND THERE WAS A WHOLE PRESENTATION PUT ON AT THE CITY COMMISSION ABOUT INCLUSIVE PARKS. IF YOU HAVE KIDS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS SUCH AS AUTISM A LOT OF THEM JUST LIKE SENSORY THINGS.

SO TWO OF THE MOST INCLUSIVE FOR KIDS WITH AUTISM WAS A SANDBOX AND MR. MORRIS LAUGHED AND SAID YEAH WE'VE GOT ONE HERE BUT IT GETS THE MOST COMPLAINTS BUT IT'S ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR ITEMS HERE AT THE PARK. SO THAT ENCOURAGES CHILDREN WITH AUTISM, KIDS WITH AUTISM HAVE DIFFICULTIES WITH VERBAL COMMUNICATION. BY AGE TWO, MANY OF THEM DON'T TALK. AND IT'S USUALLY THE FIRST SIGN.

SO ENCOURAGING THEM TO VERBALLY ENGAGE WITH OTHER CHILDREN IS REALLY IMPORTANT, AN IMPORTANT SKILL FOR THEM TO LEARN IN A PARK SO SANDBOX IS LIKE SUPER ENCOURAGING.

>> WHAT TYPES OF COMPLAINTS THEY GET WITH THE SANDBOX?

>> OH IT'S DIRTY, IT'S A MESS. THE KIDS GET DIRTY.

>> IT'S A SANDBOX. >> UNFORTUNATELY FOR THAT ONE I THINK BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF LEAVES DEBRIS, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT, IT'S JUST NATURE, IT'S FALLING INTO IT.

YOU GET THE BENEFIT OF THE SHADE BUT WITH THE SHADE COMES A LOT

OF TREE DEBRIS. >> THE OTHER THING FOR AUTISTIC KIDS WAS A SWING SET. AND THEY HAD A SWING SET THERE WITH THE BASKET CHAIR WHICH IS GOOD FOR CHILDREN WITH WHEELCHAIRS. KIDS WITH AUTISM LIKE THAT REPETITIVE MOTION. SOME AUTISM KIDS ROCK OR SPIN, THEY HAVE THESE REPETITIVE ACTIONS THAT THEY DO.

SO THEY FEEL COMFORTED WITH REPETITION LIKE THAT.

SO IF WE COULD INCLUDE ONE INCLUSIVE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IN ALL OF PARKS IT MIGHT MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER FOR THOSE CHILDREN TO FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE. BUT THAT YOU MAY WANT TO CONSULT SOMEONE WHO HAS MORE EXPERIENCE THAN ME.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE, BECAUSE I KNOW IT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT MAKING THE UPDATE SO THAT THAT EQUIPMENT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE INCLUSIVE AND THAT SORT OF CHANGES --

>> ALL OF THE DESIGNS THAT ANN IS REQUESTING RIGHT NOW FROM THE PLAYGROUND COMPANIES ARE INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND STRUCTURES.

I BELIEVE SHE HAS ONE SHE'S WAITING ON A COUPLE MORE DESIGNS. SO AT THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMISSION SHE IS SEEKING INCLUSIVE PARK DESIGNS.

AND THEN ALSO I WANTED TO MENTION THAT SHE'S WATCHING THE MEETING. I'M NOT LIKE JUST TEXTING.

SHE'S WATCHING THE MEETING. I WAS WAITING ON HER RESPONSE.

BUT YES I DO KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SEEKING FOR THE DESIGNS. SHE ACTUALLY TOLD THEM WE WANT TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION SO I'M GOING TO NEED YOU TO CHANGE YOUR DESIGN. SO THAT'S WHAT SHE'S WORKING ON NOW, SURFACING, THE EQUIPMENT, ALL OF THAT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WANT AN UPDATE ON WHAT SHE HAS, DEFINITELY SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH HER AND SHE HAS SOME PLANS

IN HER OFFICE. >> MAYBE SHE COULD BRING THEM AT

THE NEXT MEETING. >> OKAY.

>> IF YOU WANT TO SHOW SOME OF THEM.

>> THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE PU

PUBLIC. >> ONE OF THE THINGS I HAD SEEN THAT SOUNDED COOL FOR CENTRAL PARK WAS A MERRY-GO-ROUND THAT'S FLUSH WITH THE GROUND. IT'S A MORE EXPENSIVE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO DIG IN ORDER TO FLUSH IT.

AND IT'S GREAT FOR JUST GENERAL CHILDHOOD SAFETY ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET LIKE A 2-YEAR-OLD WHO WANTS TO JUMP ON THEY'RE NOT

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SENT FLYING OFF A LEDGE BUT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE KIDS OF ALL

ABILITIES IS COOL. >> IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE

PUBLIC TO HEAR ABOUT IT TOO. >> I ALSO WROTE OUT THE SHORT THING ON MY DISCUSSIONS WITH FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT ON THE AIR QUALITY ISSUES.

IF ANYONE WANTS ONE I WILL LEAVE IT HERE AND.

>> DID THEY RESPOND? >> I SPOKE WITH THEM ON THE

PHONE. >> OH OKAY.

>> AND I'LL JUST LEAVE IT, WHATEVER.

THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS TO APPROACH IT.

AND IT'S UP TO WHATEVER ANYONE THINKS ABOUT IT.

BUT THEY SEEMED TO THINK THERE WERE CONCERNS.

>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THEY'D LIKE TO DISCUSS? QUESTIONS?

THEN ARE WE READY TO ADJOURN? >> MAKE A MOTION WE ADJOURN.

>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT ALL IN

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.