Jul 16, 2026 Historic District Council

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I THINK. THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S CALL THE MEETING

[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]

MEMBER BYRNES. HERE. MEMBER SALA. HERE. MEMBER RILEY.

HERE. VICE CHAIR PSULKOWSKI.

HERE. SORRY. AND CHAIR POZZETTA. HERE. LET'S ALL STAND, PLEASE, FOR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD,INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY NEED TO SEEK ANY ALTERNATES TONIGHT.

THERE WILL BE ONE. WE'RE JUST GONNA LOOK AND SEE WHICH ONE IS. THIS IS GOING TO BE HDC 2026 0022, WHICH I'M GOING TO REPRESENT. SO I'LL REFUSE.

AND I'LL HAND THE GAVEL TO MY VICE CHAIR HERE AT MY LEFT. HE CAN TAKE OVER.

LET'S TALK ABOUT EXPARTITE COMMUNICATIONS.

HEATHER. NO, SIR. OKAY. I HAD A EMAIL CONVERSATION WITH MIA SADLER, BUT NOT SPECIFIC TO ANY OF THESE PROJECTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

BUT IT'S A. A PROJECT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT WAS ABOUT A. A WALL THAT WAS TAKEN DOWN. SO. OKAY, I. I MET WITH STAFF AND DISCUSSED ALL THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. I SPOKE WITH SETH ABOUT ALL THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AS WELL. I SPOKE WITH STAFF ABOUT ALL THE AGENDA ITEMS AS WELL AS A COMMISSIONER, CITY COMMISSIONER. I SPOKE WITH FOLKS IN OLD TOWN ON AN ITEM THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT WAS ON LAST MONTH'S AGENDA, AND I BASICALLY SPOKE STAFF ABOUT THAT OR EMAILED ABOUT THAT. OKAY, BUT NOTHING ON TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT, TERESA, SHOULD WE DISCLOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS IF IT'S A SPECIFIC THING THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING OR A SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL? RIGHT. UNDER THE DISCLOSURE FOR QUASI-JUDICIAL, YOU GIVE THE GENERAL NATURE, LIKE I MET WITH THE APPLICANT AND DISCUSS THE PROJECT AND CONCERNS I HAD. YOU CAN GIVE A GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF WHAT YOU DISCUSSED AND IF IT WAS SPECIFIC TO AN ITEM, THEN YES, BUT ARE YOU ASKING ME? BECAUSE WHEN YOU MET WITH STAFF, YOU TALKED ABOUT THEM ALL AND ARE YOU ASKING. NO, NO, I LIKE, BOB TALKED TO SOMEBODY ABOUT A PROJECT. I'M JUST WONDERING SHOULD HE DISCLOSE ABOUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA WHICH WAS THE OLD TOWN GUIDELINES.

BUT THAT'S NOT AN ITEM.

RIGHT, GOTCHA. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. IT'S ITEMS THAT YOU'RE HEARING THIS EVENING. SO EVEN SOMEONE JUST DISCLOSED SOMETHING THAT'S NOT EVEN ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. THAT WASN'T NECESSARY, BUT THAT'S.

OKAY, GREAT. YEAH, IT'S JUST FOR TONIGHT. THE ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY. AND NOW I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, CITY ATTORNEY, IF YOU COULD PLEASE PRESENT THE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURES. I WILL DO SO. I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR THEM. QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS ARE LESS FORMAL THAN A COURT HEARING, BUT SIMILAR IN PROCEDURES AND THE PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE.

RESPONDENTS ARE ENTITLED TO BE REPRESENTED BY COUNCIL.

IF YOU DESIRE A CONTINUANCE, ANYONE THAT HAS AN ITEM ON THE HC AGENDA TONIGHT, THEN YOU CAN COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME OR LET US KNOW WHEN YOUR CASE IS CALLED. QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS HAVE TO BE BASED ON COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

UNDER THE LAW, THE STAFF REPORT IS COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. ANY TESTIMONY RECEIVED HAS TO BE BASED ON COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AS WELL, WHICH MEANS OPINIONS THAT ARE NOT SUPPORTED BY FACT ARE ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST A MERE OPINION IS NOT ANYTHING THAT THE BOARD CAN BASE ITS DECISION ON THIS EVENING. ANY RECORDS THAT YOU PRESENT AT THIS MEETING NEED TO BE TURNED OVER TO OUR RECORDING CLERK HERE TO MY LEFT. PLEASE DO NOT APPROACH THE DAIS. YOU WILL SPEAK FROM THE PODIUM OVER THERE. AND THEN DURING THE PRESENTATION, OUR HDC STAFF MEMBER WILL PRESENT THE CASE TO THE BOARD. SHE WILL HAVE 10 MINUTES TO PRESENT HER CASE. AND IF.

IF MS. SADLER WAS GOING TO CALL ANY WITNESSES, THOSE WITNESSES WOULD GET FIVE MINUTES. THE BOARD CHAIR CAN EXTEND THE TIME. THE APPLICANT CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF IF THEY WANT TO AT THAT TIME. BUT THEN THE APPLICANT WILL BE AFFORDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO STAND AND PRESENT THE CASE.

THEY CAN RELY ON THE TESTIMONY OF STAFF OR THEY CAN PRESENT THEIR OWN EVIDENCE. THEY ARE ALSO RESTRICTED TO 10 MINUTES.

IF THEY HAVE ANY WITNESSES,

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EVERYONE WHO IS GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE TESTIMONY AND THE EVIDENCE, THEN THE BOARD MAY ASK QUESTIONS AND THEY MUST MAKE THEIR DECISION ON FINDINGS OF FACTS AND CONCLUSION OF LAW REGARDING THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT STANDARDS, THE CRA STANDARDS AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND WHEN WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN THE BOARD DELIBERATES, MAKES THE DECISION AND THEY WILL VOTE ON THE MATTER TONIGHT. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO BE REPRESENTED BY COUNCIL, YOU CAN COME FORWARD NOW SEEING NONE. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE? OKAY, NONE FOR ME. WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL WORK THE TIMER FOR US THIS EVENING. AND PLEASE PROCEED. ALL RIGHT. AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND SWEAR EVERYBODY IN TOO, AS WELL. IF YOU WISH TO GIVE TESTIMONY, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. THANK YOU.

IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK, THERE ARE FORMS AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM THERE TO FILL OUT. TURN IN IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK.

ABOUT SOME SPECIFIC TOPIC.

OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]

AND I AM REPRESENTING THE OWNER ON THIS. SO I'M GOING

[5.1 HDC 2026-0022 - JAMES POZZETTA, ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR CHERYL HALL, 212 ESTRADA STREET]

YEP. GOOD EVENING, HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH COMMUNITY. MY NAME IS MIA SADLER. I'M A PLANAR II AND THE HCC STAFF LIAISON. TONIGHT, OUR FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS HJC 2026 0022. THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE REINSTALLATION OF A HISTORIC BALCONY ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE WEST ELEVATION OF 212 ESTRADA STREET. THIS IS AFFECTIONATELY KNOWN AS THE PIPPI LONGSTOCKING HOUSE, AS SCENES IN THE FILM WERE OF THE ADVENTURES OF PIPPI LONGSTOCKING WAR FILMED IN THIS HOUSE IN 1988. THE BALCONY IS PROPOSED ON THIS WEST ELEVATION, SO FACING THE AMELIA RIVER AND THE PLAZA FORT SAN CARLOS ON THE TWO WINDOWS TO THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE FRONT ENTRANCE. SO THIS IS A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE PROPOSED BALCONY LOCATION.

IT'S NOT ENCROACHING IN ANY OF THE REQUIRED VISIBILITY CORRIDORS THAT ARE REQUIRED THROUGH THE OLD TOWN PRESERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES. AND THEN HERE IS THE EXISTING WEST ELEVATION ON THE LEFT SIDE AND THE PROPOSED ELEVATION ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

YOU CAN SEE THE BALCONY SITS BETWEEN THOSE TWO SETS OF WINDOWS. IT HAS SOME OF THOSE ORNAMENTAL FEATURES IN THE COLUMNS AND SOME MORE DECORATIVE KIND OF DIAMOND DETAILS ON THE HORIZONTAL PIECES

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AND THERE'S NOT A SUPER CLEAR KIND OF LOOK AT THEM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THEM, THE BALCONY FROM FAR AWAY IN BOTH OF THESE TWO PHOTOS.

THAT BEING SAID, THE APPLICANT WASN'T ABLE TO DISCERN THE EXACT DETAILS OF THE BALCONY, BUT STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED DESIGN OF THE BALCONY AND DETAILS IS CONGRUENT WITH OTHER ELEMENTS AND UNIQUE DETAILS ON THE HOUSE, INCLUDING THE SUNFLOWER BRACKET, THOSE DIAMOND DETAILS AND THE EXTENDED COLUMNS ON THE PORCH. STAFF FINDS THAT THIS APPLICATION, THAT THIS APPLICATION PROPOSED IS COMPLIANT WITH THE OLD TOWN PRESERVATION DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. AND I HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF. THE PICTURES IN THE PACKET THAT ARE VERY HISTORIC PICTURES, WERE THOSE PICTURES YOU WERE ABLE TO FIND OR DID THE APPLICANT FIND THEM? I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE ABLE TO GO TO THE.

SINCE WE WERE TRYING TO GET MORE DETAIL, IF THEY WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE MUSEUM AND FIND SOMETHING.

RIGHT. THESE WERE PROVIDED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION. DURING CERTAIN PRE APPLICATION MEETINGS, I WOULD RECOMMEND APPLICANTS GO TO THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY HISTORICAL PHOTOS OF THEIR HOUSE, IF THEY'RE TRYING TO RECREATE A FEATURE LIKE THIS.

BUT THESE PHOTOS WERE SUBMITTED TO ME AT THE TIME OF. THEY WERE SHOWN TO ME AT THE PRE APPLICATION MEETING AND SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION AS WELL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE, THEY KINDLY COME FORWARD. AND JIM, WOULD YOU MIND TAKING THE OATH THROUGH MCKENNA? THANK YOU. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. JAMES SPEZZETTA, 103 S. 18TH ST. I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THIS PROJECT.

I THINK THE IMAGE THAT MIA HAS UP THERE PRETTY, PRETTY WELL DEMONSTRATES THAT THAT FRONT OF THAT FACADE LOOKS FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT WITHOUT THAT PORCH.

AND THAT'S THE MAIN IMPETUS BEHIND THE OWNER'S DESIRE TO KIND OF BRING IT UP TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT IT USED TO POSSESS BEFORE THAT PORCH WAS TAKEN AWAY FOR THE MOVIE. THE DETAILS, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THOSE PHOTOS, THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS WERE RETRIEVED FROM THE MUSEUM. SO FAR, THAT'S BEEN OUR ONLY SOURCE OF FINDING HISTORIC PHOTOS THAT SHOW IT. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE REALLY GRAINY AND THEY'RE HARD TO READ. SO WHAT I DID WHEN I WAS DEVELOPING THE DETAIL ELEMENTS OF THAT BALCONY WAS TO REALLY VISIT THE REST OF THE HOUSE AND PULL. PULL DETAIL ITEMS FROM THE REST OF THE HOUSE AND INCORPORATE THEM INTO THAT. THE ONLY EXCEPTION BEING THE LITTLE SUNFLOWER THAT'S IN THE CORNER OF THE BRACKET. AND THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING FROM THE OWNER HERSELF THAT I ASKED HER TO.

SHE'S AN ARTIST, AND I ASKED HER TO REALLY THINK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS SPECIAL TO YOU AND HAS MEANING TO YOU. THEN WE CAN KIND OF INCORPORATE SOMETHING OF YOU INTO THIS HOUSE.

SHE'S. SHE'S VERY PROUD TO OWN THIS HOME AND SHE'S TRYING TO DO HER BEST TO RESTORE IT TO ITS FORMER GLORY. SO THAT'S A LITTLE PIECE OF HER IN THERE. AND I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO, I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. I'M EXCITED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PORCH IS RETURNING AND FROM THE GRANNY PICTURES THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO WORK WITH, I WISH THAT THEY WERE. I'M SURE WE BOTH WISH THEY WERE A BIT CLOSER.

YES. BUT IT LOOKS. ACTUALLY THAT LAST SCREENSHOT OF A INSTAGRAM PICTURE IS PROBABLY THE BEST ONE THAT WE HAVE. AND IT LOOKS AS CLOSE TO WHAT YOU HAVE DRAWN THERE AS I CAN IMAGINE. SO I THINK THE DESIGN IS GREAT. IT LOOKS GREAT.

YEAH, I DID. ONE THING THAT I REALLY LOOKED INTO IS THAT WAS WINDOWS THAT ADDRESSED THE BALCONY. IT NEVER WAS DOORS.

AND THROUGH MY RESEARCH ON THIS IN A PREVIOUS PROJECT, APPARENTLY AT THAT TIME, YOUR TAX, YOUR TAXES WERE PARTIALLY BASED ON HOW MANY DOORS YOU HAD. SO PEOPLE WOULD PURPOSEFULLY NOT PUT DOORS WHERE THEY DIDN'T ABSOLUTELY NEED THEM. SO THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESSED THAT PORCH THROUGH A WINDOW TO SAVE MONEY ON THEIR TAXES. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN THAT PORCH WAS REMOVED? JUST PRIOR TO THE FILMING OF THE MOVIE.

SO MIDDLE, LATE 80S. SO THE MOVIE DOESN'T HAVE THE WINDOW THERE, APPARENTLY. I GUESS THEY

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OTHERWISE THE RAILING WOULD HAVE BEEN BLOCKING HER FROM.

YEAH, THAT'S MY GUESS. I DON'T KNOW. YOU'VE THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT THAT. YES, I THINK THAT THE. THE SCALE IS APPROPRIATE.

I DO REALIZE HOW GRAINY THE PHOTOS ARE, BUT I APPRECIATE THE DETAIL THAT'S HERE. AND I ACTUALLY THINK THE PROPORTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ON THIS, MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT WIDER AND NOT SITTING RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW, IS REALLY. IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SCALE OF THIS HOUSE.

SO I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S WELL DONE. I'M HOPING. I'M EXCITED AND HOPING THAT THE NEXT PROJECT YOU COME IN WITH IS REBUILDING THE ENTIRE FENCE IN FRONT. BECAUSE THAT.

THERE'S A PICTURE OF THAT THAT IS SPECTACULAR.

YEAH, WE'LL SEE WHAT HER APPETITE IS FOR THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, JIM.

THANKS. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT. IF ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS CASE, WELCOME TO COME FORWARD. I DON'T SEE ANYONE COMING. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT BOARD DISCUSSION. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION THAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE ABOUT THIS? LOOKS GOOD. IT IS CONCEPTUAL. SO I GUESS AT THIS POINT. DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION FOR ME? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE HGC CASE NUMBER 20260022 WITHOUT CONDITIONS.

AND I MOVE THAT THE HGC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW. PART OF THE RECORD THAT HGC CASE 20260022 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND OLD TOWN PRESERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. SECOND. ALL RIGHT, HERE A SECOND.

MCKENNA, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE VOTE? MEMBER SHERSTAD SCHALLER. YES. MEMBER BYRNES? YES. MEMBER SALA? YES. MEMBER RILEY? YES. AND CHAIR POZZETTA? I MEAN, SORRY, VICE CHAIR PSULKOWSKI? YES. ALL RIGHT, THANKS, GUYS. I'M NOW HANDING THE GAVEL BACK TO WHERE IT BELONGS. THANK YOU, DYLAN. THANK YOU. IT'S CLOSE.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS.

5.2 MIA, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND INTRODUCING IT. YES, THIS IS

[5.2 HDC 2026-0023 - CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, 115 S. 2ND STREET]

IT STILL IS REQUIRED TO BE HEARD BY THIS BOARD FOR A DEMOLITION APPLICATION.

ACCORDING TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER SITE, THE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN 1925. AND THEN THROUGH SANBORN MAP RESEARCH AT THE MUSEUM.

THE SANBORN MAP IN 1909 DID NOT SHOW THE BUILDING. AND THEN IN 1926 THE BUILDING APPEARED AND WAS LABELED AS WAREHOUSE.

IT IS MY AND THE PROPERTY APPRAISER IN THE MUSEUM'S BEST ESTIMATE THAT THE BUILDING WAS BUILT SOMEWHERE AROUND 1925.

THROUGHOUT THE YEARS IT HAS SERVED MANY PURPOSES INCLUDING WAREHOUSING, STORAGE, THE MARITIME MUSEUM, DISTILLERY AND MORE OVER TIME. TODAY IS A CONGLOMERATION OF MANY ADDITIONS AND DOZENS OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS STAFF CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT TOWARDS THE END OF MAY AND THEN EARLIER AGAIN THIS WEEK WITH VICE CHAIR SIOLKOWSKI. AND HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE INSIDE ONE WING IS WHERE THE MARITIME MUSEUM USED TO BE AND THE OTHER AREA IS THE DISTILLERY. THE ONLY NOTABLE OR UNIQUE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE IS KIND OF THE BREEZE BLOCK RIBBON THAT RUNS ACROSS THE FRONT. AND THEN HERE IS A PICTURE OF MORE OF THE WAREHOUSING AREA AND THEN A BALCONY OVER WHERE THE DISTILLERY USED TO HAVE A BAR. IN AN EFFORT TO FURTHER DOCUMENT THE BUILDING, A FLORIDA MASTER SITE FILE WAS CREATED, SUBMITTED AND RECORDED BY THE DIVISION OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES AT THE STATE LEVEL.

THE FILE INCLUDES ABOUT 30 PHOTOS OF THE INTERIOR AND THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE AND THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN, AS I SAID, SUBMITTED AND ACCEPTED BY THE DIVISION OF HISTORIC RESOURCES. ALTHOUGH THE STRUCTURE IS ABOUT 100 YEARS OLD, IT IS NOT LISTED ON OUR INVENTORY OF RESOURCES. THAT IS LIKELY BECAUSE IT LIES OUT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

BUT JUST TO RECAP THE DEFINITION BETWEEN

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STRUCTURES THAT WERE NOT CONSTRUCTED DURING THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE DO NOT PROVIDE VALUABLE INFORMATION, ARE NOT INDIVIDUALLY ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER. SO ALTHOUGH THIS DOES NOT LIE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, I WANTED TO OFFER THE BOARD SOME INSIGHT AND SOME CRITERIA TO EVALUATE THE STRUCTURE SINCE IT IS 100 YEARS OLD. SO I WENT THROUGH AND PROVIDED THE CRITERIA FOR DEMOLITION FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND I'LL JUST KIND OF SUM UP THE INFORMATION THAT I WORKED WITH OTHER STAFF IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DEVELOP. THE FIRST ONE IS WHETHER THE STRUCTURE WOULD MEET NATIONAL, STATE OR LOCAL CRITERIA, AND THE ANSWER IS THE SUMMARY OF THAT IS NO. THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT POSSESS UNIQUE OR UNCREATABLE ARCHITECTURAL QUALITIES. IT DOESN'T PROVIDE A CONNECTION TO AN IMPORTANT FIGURE IN HISTORY OR AN IMPORTANT EVENT IN HISTORY. FURTHER, A MASTER SITE FILE WAS SUBMITTED TO THE DHR AND THEY DIDN'T FLAG IT AS BEING HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT.

IN MORE CASUAL LANGUAGE, THEY DIDN'T CALL ME AND SAY MIA, THIS CAN'T BE NUMBER TWO.

WHETHER THE STRUCTURE OR SITE IS CONTRIBUTING OR THE SITE IS LOCALLY DESIGNATED AS A NATIONAL REGISTER, IT LIES WITHIN THE CRA, SO IT IS NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

WHETHER THE LOSS OF THE STRUCTURE OR SITE WOULD DETERIORATE THE QUALITY OR CONTINUITY OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF FINDS THAT NO THE REMOVAL OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD NOT DIMINISH THE FUNCTIONALITY OR AESTHETIC OF THE DOWNTOWN OR THE CRA.

WHETHER THE STRUCTURE OR SITE IS OF SUCH DESIGN, CRAFTSMANSHIP OR MATERIAL THAT IT CAN ONLY BE REPRODUCED WITH GREAT DIFFICULTY, THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT EXHIBIT SUCH FEATURES. WHETHER THE STRUCTURE OR SITE IS ONE OF THE LAST REMAINING EXAMPLES OF ITS KIND, AND THE ANSWER AGAIN IS NO OTHER EXAMPLES OF THIS TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE AND WAREHOUSE IS PRESENT THROUGHOUT OUR TOWN. 6.

WHETHER THE REMOVAL OF THE STRUCTURE SITE WOULD DESTROY THE HISTORIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN STRUCTURES AND OPEN SPACE THE REMOVAL OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD IMPROVE THE STREETSCAPE AND ALLOW FOR MORE USABLE BUILDING TO TAKE ITS PLACE. THIS AREA OF DOWNTOWN IS UNDERGOING MANY CHANGES THAT ARE FACILITATING A GRADUAL TRANSITION FROM INDUSTRIAL TO A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AREA WITH MULTIPLE USES. 7. WHETHER THE RETENTION OF THE STRUCTURE OR SITE PROMOTES THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY, PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY LOCAL HISTORY, ARCHITECTURE, DESIGN. I MENTIONED THAT THE STRUCTURE USED TO SERVE AS A MARITIME MUSEUM AND THAT WAS MORE THE USE OF THE BUILDING RATHER THAN THE BUILDING ITSELF THAT ALLOWED THE COMMUNITY TO STUDY OUR HISTORY AND THAT IS NO LONGER THE USE OF THE STRUCTURE. IT IS VACANT.

WHETHER THE APPLICANT HAS MADE GOOD FAITH EFFORTS TO PURSUE ALTERNATIVES THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A STRUCTURAL ASSESSMENT OF THE PROPERTY THAT CONCLUDES THE STRUCTURE IS COMPROMISED AND THE MOST PRACTICAL COURSE OF ACTION IS DEMOLITION.

WHETHER THE APPLICANT WILL BE DENIED A REASONABLE RETURN ON HIS OR HER INVESTMENT IF THE STRUCTURE REMAINS, THE APPLICANT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE THE SPACE THAT IS COHESIVE TO THE REVITALIZATION OF THE WATERFRONT AND USE OF THE CITY'S GENERAL FUNDS.

WHETHER THERE'S ECONOMIC HARDSHIP FOR THE APPLICANT THE APPLICANT HAS NOT DEMONSTRATED ECONOMIC HARDSHIP BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT IT IS THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND WHICH ARE GENERATED BY PROPERTY TAXES.

WHETHER THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND APPEALS BOARD HAS RECOMMENDED DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND APPEALS BOARD HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY SUBMISSIONS REGARDING THIS PROPERTY. AND JUST TO GO OVER SOME OF THE SUPPORTING MATERIAL, THERE WAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT THAT REVEALED NO ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS OR HAZARDS. THERE WAS AN ENGINEER'S REPORT THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THAT THE PROPERTY IS COMPROMISED AND PROVIDED THE MOST PRACTICAL USE OF THE PROPERTY TO BE DEMOED AND AS WELL AS A SUMMARY OF THE FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE.

SINCE THE PROPERTY DOES LIE WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN, IF MORE THAN 30% OF THE BUILDING'S VALUE IS INVESTED IN THE STRUCTURE, THE WHOLE THING MUST BE BROUGHT UP TO FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, WHICH WOULD BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT DIFFICULT TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE STRUCTURE. GIVEN ALL OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT AND STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES, STAFF CAN RECOMMEND FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU, MIA BOARD MEMBERS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MIA? I DO. SO I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS WAS TALKING ABOUT MATERIALS, A HODGEPODGE OF IT, BUT ARE THERE ANY DOORS, WINDOWS, ANYTHING WITH THAT, LIKE THAT THAT COULD BE SALVAGED? ANY OF THE WOOD ON THE INSIDE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S SALVAGEABLE? I BELIEVE

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YEAH, THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD TOO. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING THAT. WELL, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, AT THIS TIME JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE ON SALVAGING. I FOUND IT A MINUTE AGO, BUT I TOOK A PICTURE OF IT SO I CAN FIND IT AGAIN.

IT'S -803-0301 G. AND IT DOES SAY THAT YOU CAN MAKE A REQUEST, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE THE OWNER'S CONSENT. SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT THE OWNER CAN DO IT. I MEAN, THERE COULD BE SALVAGEABLE MATERIAL IN THERE. GREAT QUESTIONS. AND THEN IT WOULD JUST. IT WOULD BE A REQUEST, NOT A CONDITION. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR BEFORE YOU GOT INTO THAT.

BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I WANT TO JUST SAY, AS USUAL, I FOUND YOUR REPORT VERY USEFUL.

THE FACT THAT YOU KIND OF LAID OUT ALL THE DIFFERENT BITS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER AS CRITERIA FOR WHETHER TO VOTE YES OR NO ON THIS THING. IT'S JUST, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE IT RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO SEARCH AROUND FOR ALL THOSE LITTLE PIECES.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR A VERY THOROUGH REPORT. I THINK ONE QUESTION I HAD IS, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY PLANS FOR THE USE OF THE PROPERTY AFTER IT'S BEEN REMOVED? I HAVE NOT BEEN MADE AWARE OF ANY KIND OF CONCRETE OR 100% THIS IS THE WAY THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO USE THE PROPERTY. I THINK THE FIRST STEP IS KIND OF GETTING APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD AND THEN THERE'S A LARGER KIND OF MORE IN DEPTH PROCESS OF BIDDING THAT PROJECT OUT AND BUILDING OUT A PROJECT TIMELINE OF WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN ITS PLACE. AND I ALSO WOULD REFER THAT QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. YEAH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR A PRESENTATION. YEAH. AND THE LAST THING IS, I KNOW YOU TOOK A WHOLE BUNCH OF DOCUMENTARY PHOTOS. CAN YOU PACKAGE THOSE TOGETHER AND GET THEM OVER TO THE MUSEUM SO THEY CAN KIND OF DOCUMENT THIS BUILDING? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THANK YOU.

AND I WILL CREDIT MS. CHARMY FOR THE PHOTOS. ALL RIGHT, GOOD PHOTOGRAPHER. OKAY.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T KNOW IF I MISSED. DO WE KNOW WHAT THE VERY FIRST USE OF THAT BUILDING WAS? THE SANBORN MAP FROM 1926 LABELED IT AS WAREHOUSE. SO ON THE RAILROAD. TIMBER.

TIMBER. WHY DON'T WE INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD? GOOD EVENING. JEREMIAH GLISTON, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THIS ITEM. SO A LITTLE CONTEXT AS TO HOW WE'RE HERE, I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.

THIS. THIS BUILDING WAS FOR SALE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

IT'S BEEN FOR SALE FOR A COUPLE YEARS. THERE WAS NO ACTION ON IT UNTIL THE CITY MADE INQUIRY TO IT. THE CITY COMMISSION HAD THE RECENT GOAL SESSION THAT THEY HAD EARLIER THIS YEAR SET A GOAL TO ACQUIRE THIS PARCEL. WE HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE THAT HAS LIMITED USE, AND THAT IS WHAT'S CALLED GENERAL GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATIVE IMPACT FEES, AND THAT IS FOR THE EXPANSION OF GENERAL GOVERNMENT SERVICES.

SO THIS MET THAT CRITERIA FOR A NUMBER OF POSSIBLE FUTURE USES, WHETHER INCREASED PARKING, A FUTURE SITE FOR CITY, NEW CITY HALL, THINGS LIKE THAT. AS YOU'RE AWARE, THIS PARCEL, OF COURSE, COURSES JUST TO THE NORTHEAST OF THAT ONE AND THEN JUST TO THE NORTH OF THAT PARCEL AND ALSO A LITTLE BIT TO THE WEST OF THAT IS ALL CITY PROPERTY.

SO IT MADE SENSE FROM A CONNECTIVITY STANDPOINT.

AGAIN, AS MENTIONED, THE FUNDING SOURCE WAS ADMINISTRATIVE IMPACT FEES AND ARE VERY LIMITED IN THEIR USE, AND THAT'S FOR EXPANSION RELATED TO GROWTH. SO THE COMMISSION MADE IT A GOAL TO ACQUIRE THIS PROPERTY AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR CRA PLAN AS OUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA. REMOVING BLIGHT IS A LEADING CRITERIA THAT. AND THIS WAS, OF COURSE, A BLIGHTED PROPERTY THAT MET THAT QUALIFICATION.

SO THE GOAL WAS TO GO AHEAD, NOT ONLY PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, BUT REMOVE THE BUILDING. AS FAR AS FUTURE USE, THERE'S STILL A LEADERSHIP DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS LATER THIS YEAR, AND A CITY HALL FEASIBILITY IS GOING TO BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL.

BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST TO REMOVE THE BUILDING AND JUST.

JUST CLEAN UP THE AREA, REALLY BRING IN SOME FILL. AS FAR AS THE ITEMS MENTIONED, WE'RE HAPPY TO EXPLORE THAT DURING THE BID PROCESS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY ABILITY TO SAVE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. WE'RE HAPPY TO EXPLORE THAT AND SEE IF IT'S. IF IT'S POSSIBLE.

I THINK ONE OF THEM MIGHT BE A LOAD BEARING MEMBER. SO THIS IS A 24,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE A HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATION

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JEREMIAH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR JEREMIAH? JUST, JUST A STATEMENT, JUST TO REITERATE.

SALVAGING MATERIALS. I KNOW WHEN ARLENE WAS HERE SHE WAS CONCERNED. ARLENE PHILKOP WAS HERE, SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SALVAGING SOME OF THE MATERIALS. SO I JUST THINK EVERYTHING WE COULD DO AND IN ORDER TO DO SO WOULD BE. WOULD BE WONDERFUL. ARE WE GOING TO RELY ON THE CONTRACTORS TO DETERMINE WHAT'S SALVAGEABLE OR LIKE A. ACTUALLY THE, THE FEEDBACK WE'VE HAD FROM THIS BOARD HAS BEEN. I THINK YOU HAD MENTIONED A COUPLE ITEMS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.

SO WE ALSO PLAN TO TALK WITH THE MUSEUM AS WE DID AT LAYING SEAFOOD. JUST. YEAH.

AND AS WE DID WITH WHETHER IT'S ANY MEMBERS, ANY PIECES OF THE MATERIAL.

MATERIAL FROM THE BUILDING ITSELF, JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S INTEREST IN PRESERVING THAT IN PERPETUITY. THANK YOU.

DYLAN, DO YOU WANT TO KIND OF ARTICULATE THE THINGS YOU SAW? SO I HAD MET WITH STAFF OVER THERE THIS WEEK AND THE TWO THINGS THAT I FOUND AND I THINK YOU HAVE A PICTURE. IT PROBABLY HELPED IF YOU COULD PUT THAT UP. SO THAT PICTURE IN THE TOP LEFT IS UNPAINTED HEART PINE BEADBOARD. AND I MEAN I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 80 HISTORIC REMODELS, YOU KNOW, TO DATE. AND I THINK I'VE SEEN UNPAINTED BEADBOARD MAYBE ONE OTHER TIMES. SO THAT IS A RARITY IN AND OF ITSELF. IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION. IT'S FACE NAILED, SO IT WOULDN'T BE THAT HARD TO ACTUALLY GET BEHIND IT. AND IT'S RELATIVELY. I MEAN THAT PICTURE LOOKS LIKE IT'S 20FT OFF THE GROUND. I COULD TOUCH IT WITH MY HAND. SO ACCESSIBILITY WISE, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR EASIEST BET THE PICTURE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT, THOSE COLUMNS, THOSE LOAD BEARING MEMBERS THAT MR. GLEASON WAS TO REFERRING.

REFERRING TO THAT IS DEFINITELY HOLDING UP PART OF THE ROOF.

THOSE ARE HEART PINE. THEY HAVE TO BE 12, 15FT, YOU KNOW, JUST BEAUTIFUL COLUMNS.

OBVIOUSLY, THOSE ARE DOING A VERY IMPORTANT JOB RIGHT NOW.

IF THERE WOULD BE ANY WAY TO SAVE THOSE. I JUST THINK OF ALL THE REUSE POTENTIAL DOWN THE LINE. THEY'RE JUST NOT MAKING, YOU KNOW, 12 FOOT, 15 FOOT, YOU KNOW, HARD PINE COLUMNS ANYMORE. YOU KNOW, YOU COULD USE THOSE FOR PORCH POST, OTHER LOAD BEARING MEMBERS.

IT'S CLEARLY SERVING A PRETTY IMPORTANT STRUCTURAL FUNCTION RIGHT NOW, HOLDING UP THE ROOF. SO HAS TO BE SOMEWHAT INTACT. THAT THOSE WERE THE TWO THINGS I SAW THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY OF MOST IMPORTANCE FOR ME.

EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE WAREHOUSE, YOU KNOW, IS TRUSSES AND NEW AND EVERYTHING ON THE WALL COULD BE OLDER, YOU KNOW, HARD PINE MATERIAL, BUT IT'S PAINTED. AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A LABORIOUS PROCESS TO GET IT OFF. GREAT. THANKS, DYLAN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JEREMIAH? WE'LL LET HIM SIT DOWN IF I DON'T SEE ANY. ALL RIGHT, LET'S. THANK YOU, JEREMIAH. THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN UP IF ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WANTS TO COME UP IN, SPEAK TOWARDS THIS PROJECT.

SURE. DID HE STAND UP? IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

YES, I'M CAL ASTRON, 119 S.

SECOND ST. SO I HAVE A DEEP PERSONAL INTEREST IN THE OUTCOME OF THIS, AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THEY ARE CONSIDERING MAINTAINING SAFETY FOR OCCUPANTS OF THAT BUILDING, AS WELL AS THE DUST AND CLOUD CONSIDERATIONS. AND LET ME INTERJECT HERE. YOU NEED TO BE SWORN. I DID. YEAH.

WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN REALLY QUICKLY. AND ANYONE ELSE THAT MAY HAVE COME IN LATE, IF YOU PLAN TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING LATER, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THOSE WHILE WE SWEAR IN THIS NICE GENTLEMAN.

CAN YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND A WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO THANK YOU.

AND AS FOR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE MUSEUM WAS BEFORE AND GOT A BRIEF CHANCE TO VISIT THAT AND HOPEFULLY THAT THOSE ARTIFACTS ARE SOMEPLACE SAFE. BUT THE BUILDING IS PRETTY MUCH AN EYESORE RIGHT NOW. AND I DO AGREE, CONCUR WITH THAT AND JUST HOPE IT'S DONE SAFELY SO WE CAN GET SOMETHING BETTER THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE? SEEING NONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

BOARD DISCUSSION. BOARD MEMBERS, ANY THOUGHTS THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS? I THINK I JUST HAVE A QUESTION

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LET ME GET TO G AGAIN, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT WITH THIS, IT JUST SAYS THE HDC MAY, WITH THE CONSENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND AT THE PROPERTY OWNER'S EXPENSE, OBVIOUSLY REQUEST THAT THE OWNER SALVAGE AND PRESERVE BUILDING MATERIALS, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS AND ORNAMENTATION AND FIXTURES AND THE LIKE. AND AGAIN, THROUGHOUT IT, IT SAYS REQUEST, REQUEST. AND THEN AT THE HDC DISCRETION AND THE PROPERTY OWNER'S CONSENT, THEY COULD REQUEST THEY GET IN CONTACT WITH THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY. SO I THINK EVEN THE LAST TIME WITH ATLANTIC SEAFOOD, YOU MADE IT AS A REQUEST.

BUT I DIDN'T ANALYZE IT FROM THE HDC PERSPECTIVE AND HISTORIC DISTRICT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, IT'S NON CONTRIBUTING AND NUMBER TWO, IT'S NOT IN THE HDC. SO I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIMITING TO JUST CRA. YEAH, I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN THEN, AND THIS IS JUST FOR BOARD DISCUSSION, WHICH BE, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS THAT ARE GETTING TORN DOWN. AS WE'VE SEEN MORE DEMOLITION PROJECTS COME THROUGH THE HDC. IF IT'S JUST A REQUEST FOR SAVING SOME OF THESE MATERIALS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A DOG WITH NO TEETH. AND I CAN LOOK AT THAT AND BRING IT BACK BECAUSE THE OTHER THING, IF IT'S CONTRIBUTING AND IT'S IN THE HDC, YOU CAN ALSO REQUEST TO SEE WHAT THE REPLACEMENT WOULD BE, WHICH YOU CAN'T DO IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE.

SO I COULD LOOK IN THAT SECTION AND BRING THAT BACK TO YOU NEXT TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT IF IT IS HTC, YOU CAN, YOU CAN REQUEST MUCH MORE. I KNOW THAT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE A DIFFERENT SECTION ON THIS, BUT I CAN LOOK.

OKAY, BUT FOR TONIGHT'S PURPOSES, I LOOKED AT IT FROM THE CRA AND NON CONTRIBUTING. YEAH, I THINK WE'D DEFINITELY BE INTERESTED IN WHAT YOUR ANALYSIS OF THAT WOULD BE. I THINK SINCE THIS BOARD DISCUSSION, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT TOGETHER A MOTION AND INCLUDE OUR REQUEST ON THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT YOU HAD IDENTIFIED, WE CAN ALWAYS ADD THAT IN. YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, BOB. I WOULD DO THE MOTION, BUT I NEED TO KNOW THAT'S FINE. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I WOULDN'T CUT ANYONE OFF IN ANY OTHERS REQUEST.

THOSE WERE THE ONLY THINGS THAT ME AND STAFF ARE REALLY ABLE TO IDENTIFY. I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT. I THINK THE COLUMNS THEMSELVES WILL BE DIFFICULT JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SERVING A LOAD BEARING PURPOSE. YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY OF TRYING TO SAVE THOSE. IF IT WAS SOMETHING YOU COULD CUT AND TEMP, YOU KNOW, PUT A TEMP WALL, BUT IT'S HOLDING A SECOND FLOOR, IT'S HOLDING THE ROOF UP.

THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG ASK.

SO. SO I'LL START IT AND THEN HAVE YOU ADD THOSE THREE ANGLES. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO STARTED. OH, OKAY. I KNOW.

NOT A PROBLEM. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC 2026-0023 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

THAT WE MAKE A REQUEST FROM THE CITY THAT THEY DO THEIR BEST EFFORT TO SALVAGE THE HARD PINE BEADBOARD AND THOSE HARD PINE COLUMNS THAT ARE HOLDING UP THE STRUCTURE. THEY COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE CONTRACTOR. AND I MOVE THAT THE HTC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW. PART OF THE RECORD THAT HTC CASE 2026-0023 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES AND COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA DESIGN GUIDELINES TO MARK FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT, MOTION AND SECOND. MCKENNA, COULD YOU CALL THE VOTE? MEMBER SHERSTAD YES. MEMBER BYRNES? YES. MEMBER SALA? YES. MEMBER RILEY? YES. VICE CHAIR PSULKOWSKI? YES. AND CHAIR POZETTA? YES. GREAT. THANK YOU.

THANKS, JEREMIAH. LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR THIRD CASE HERE.

MIA, COULD YOU PRESENT IT

[5.3 HDC 2026-0024 - J'S CONSTRUCTION LLC, AGENT FOR JEAN GOULDEN, 315 S 7TH STREET]

THE APPLICANT CAME TO ME MANY MONTHS AGO TO ASK ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY OF THIS PROJECT AND I MENTIONED THAT THE REQUEST WOULD HAVE TO BE HEARD BY THE BOARD SINCE IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND OUR DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES PRESCRIBE THE PRESERVATION AND MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING, ESPECIALLY ON CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.

ACCORDING TO THE MASTER SITE FILE, THE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN 1870. THERE HAVE BEEN MANY ADDITIONS TO THE HOUSE

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SO HERE I HAVE THE PICTURES WITH SOME ARROWS SHOWING THE AREAS WHERE HARDIE BOARD WOULD BE PLACED AND THIS SLIDE AS WELL. I DID LOOK INTO THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES TO SEE THE RELEVANT ASPECTS FOR THIS CASE. BASED ON OUR CURRENT VERSION OF THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE ORIGINAL SIDING SHOULD BE MAINTAINED.

AND IF SYNTHETIC SIDING IS USED, THE MATERIAL THAT IS MOSTLY MATCHES THE PROFILE AND FEEL OF THE ORIGINAL SHOULD BE USED.

SINCE THIS IS JUST CONCEPTUAL, APPROVAL STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING BE REQUIRED BEFORE FINAL APPROVAL CAN BE GRANTED FOR THIS PROJECT. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THIS CASE IN THE PICTURES YOU PUT IN THE PACKET. THAT WAS ALL YOU WERE PROVIDED WITH? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, THANK YOU, BOARD MEMBERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ALL RIGHT, WHY DON'T WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP IF THEY'RE PRESENT.

GOOD EVENING. HELLO. MY NAME IS JEFF NIPPER. I AM A CO OWNER OF JAY'S CONSTRUCTION REPRESENTING GENE GOULDEN, THE OWNER OF 315 S. 7TH ST. SO THE ISSUE WITH THIS HOME, SHE PURCHASED IT, I BELIEVE IN 21. SHE'S MAINTAINED THAT AREA OF THE HOME THAT YOU SEE IN THE PICTURES.

ON AN AVERAGE TWO TO THREE TIMES A YEAR, SHE HAS TO HAVE REPAIR WORK DONE TO THAT AREA. THAT AREA IS THE OLDER PART OF THE HOME. THE STRUCTURES TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF THE HOME ARE NEWER, AS WELL AS THE GARAGE AREA THAT IS FRONT FACING THAT HAS THE CEMENT SIDING ON IT. MULTIPLE SIDINGS HAVE BEEN FOUND ON THE HOME, NOT JUST ONE. I THINK WE HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT ONES. NOTHING IS ACTUALLY WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN 1890 IN A CEDAR CLADDING, YOU KNOW, OR BEVEL SIDING, ANY OF THAT STUFF. THERE'S ACTUALLY ONE BY MATERIAL ON IT THAT'S PRESSURE TREATED LUMBER. SO WE'VE DOCUMENTED A FEW AREAS AND WE CAN SUBMIT MORE PICTURES IF NEEDED TO SHOW THESE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. WE DO HAVE SOME OF THAT. I HAVE SOME OF THE IT WITH ME, BUT IT WAS JUST A TIME SITUATION AS FAR AS GETTING IT INTO MIA. THE AREAS THAT ARE REMAINING ARE NOT GOING TO BE TOUCHED. THE AREAS THAT YOU SEE WITH THE ARROWS, THAT'S THE ONLY AREAS WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO AFFECT OR WORK ON. THERE'S NO CLADDING BEHIND IT.

THERE'S. IT'S JUST BASICALLY NAILED TO IT, HAS FELT BEHIND IT. R VALUE ON IT IS HORRIBLE. SOME AREAS WE KNOW FOR A FACT THERE'S ACTUALLY NO IMPACT WALL INSULATION IN THOSE SPACES. SO THE OPPORTUNITY TO REMOVE THAT, CORRECT THOSE ISSUES. GO BACK WITH HALF INCH ZIP PANEL, CLOSE IT UP PROPERLY, AND THEN GO BACK WITH WHAT WILL ACTUALLY MATCH THE FACADE BETTER THAN WHAT IS THERE NOW BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE HAVE MULTIPLE SIZES, SHAPES AND MATERIALS ALL FACING THE FRONT ROAD. IF WE GOT MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DID WITH THE GARAGE THAT IS ACTUALLY FACING THE FRONT, IT WILL ACTUALLY LOOK BETTER.

IT'LL STILL CONTAIN THE WOOD GRAIN. YOU'LL STILL HAVE THE SAME LOOK, AND WE'LL HAVE SIZE DIMENSION PROPERLY. RIGHT NOW, IT'S IN DISARRAY. NONE OF THAT IS SALVAGEABLE THAT YOU SEE.

IT'S. IT'S BEEN BONDOED PATCHED. PEOPLE HAVE EVEN GONE OUT THERE AND PUT SPRAY FOAM ON IT. SO IT'S. IT'S JUST A MESS. SO WE'RE ASKING, AND THE HOMEOWNER IS ASKING IF WE CAN REPLACE IT. THE BEST PRODUCT TO PUT OUT THERE WOULD BE A FIBER CEMENT SIDING. IT WILL LOOK CLOSER TO WHAT IS ALREADY OUT THERE. THAT SHOULD BE. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. OKAY. I KNOW ME PERSONALLY, AND I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE TO SAY, BUT I WOULD WANT TO SEE MORE DOCUMENTATION AND ESPECIALLY REALLY DRIVE HOME THOSE ELEMENTS THAT ARE BEYOND REPAIR OR BEYOND REUSE. I KNOW IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE HAD HISTORICALLY CONTRIBUTING HOMES, LIKE, YOU KNOW, A PORTION OF THIS ONE IS FOR SURE WHERE WE'VE HAD REALLY DEGRADED SIDING LIKE YOU'RE.

YOU'RE DESCRIBING. WE'VE ASKED

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I AM. I SEE. I. I THINK AS A. I DON'T KNOW. THIS IS PROBABLY MAYBE MORE FOR BOARD DISCUSSION, BUT I THINK IT'S LIKE AN OWNER OF A HISTORIC BUILDING. ANY OF US THAT ARE OWNERS OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE STEWARDS OF THAT HISTORIC BUILDING AND TAKE CARE OF IT AND PRESERVE IT.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD SUPPORT REPLACING THE SIDING WITH. I DON'T. I WOULD NOT SUPPORT REPLACING THE SIDING WITH HARDING UNLESS THERE WAS A VERY DETAILED REPORT AS JIM IS DESCRIBING, BECAUSE I THINK WE DO. WE. WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE GETTING INTO WHEN WE BUY THESE BUILDINGS. AND. AND. AND IF YOU MENTIONED THAT THE PERSON BOUGHT IT, THE OWNER BOUGHT IT, LIKE, FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO. YEAH, YEAH. THEN. THEN THEY, YOU KNOW, NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU.

THIS IS NOT HER FIRST HISTORIC HOME. SHE MOVED FROM 6TH STREET TO THAT ONE.

OKAY. WHEN IT BECAME AVAILABLE.

SHE LOVES THE AREA. AND. AND THE HOUSE LOOKS BEAUTIFULLY MAINTAINED. I MEAN, FROM.

FROM THE SIDEWALK ITSELF. YOU KNOW, SHE'S DOING A LOVELY JOB AT MAINTAINING IT. AND I GET IT. AND I GOT ONE THAT'S OLDER THAN THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE. THE. THE. THE DETERIORATION OF THE WOOD.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WOOD RESTORED, AND IF THERE'S SOME OF IT THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, THEN REPLACE IT IN KIND, BUT NOT WHOLESALE RIPPING ALL THAT ORIGINAL SIDING OFF. I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE IN THE REPORT A SITE PLAN OR A FLOOR PLAN. AND THEN, BECAUSE YOU'RE INDICATING THAT ONLY A FEW AREAS ARE GOING TO GET TOUCHED, AND I WOULD FIND IT HIGHLY BENEFICIAL IF YOU WERE TO SHOW US THESE ARE SPECIFICALLY THE AREAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON. IT WOULD HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THE EXTENT OF THE WORK IS GOING TO BE.

AND I CAN. I CAN PUT THIS TOGETHER IN A DOCUMENT AND.

AND SUBMIT IT TO YOU, BUT CAN I SHOW YOU A FEW THINGS OR JUST LET YOU GUYS LOOK AT THEM? SURE. COUPLE LITTLE THINGS I HAVE JUST TO. JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU. THIS IS WHAT WE WILL BE REMOVING, AND THAT CANNOT BE SALVAGE.

THAT IS. THAT'S THE BEST OF IT. BECAUSE IT'S GROUND LEVEL. WHEN YOU GO UP HIGHER, IT'S EVEN WORSE. SO IT'S THE FRONT ELEVATION. GO BACK TO THE PODIUM SYSTEM. WE CAN HEAR YOUR. SO IT'S THE FRONT ELEVATION AND THEN THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES. YEAH. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DEAD CENTER OF THE HOME. YEP. WHERE IT CARRIES UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR, IT'S BASICALLY THAT AREA STRAIGHT ACROSS TO THE BACK. EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD NOT BE TOUCHED.

YEAH. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. YEP.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE WORST OF IT IS. AND AS IT GETS UP HIGHER, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE HAVING THE MOST DAMAGE.

STARTING TO GET INTERIOR WATER DAMAGE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT STUFF.

SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU, JUST TO. JUST TO CONFIRM YOU'RE MAKING SPOT REPAIRS. YOU HAD MENTIONED SHEATHING. SO YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON REMOVING ALL THAT GOING BACK EVERYWHERE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHEN IT GETS REMOVED. WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE PUTTING SHEATHING BACK ON IT IN THAT SPACE.

BUT IT'S CONTAINED IN THAT WHOLE SPACE GOING UP.

IT STOPS AT EACH CORNER. THE NEW AREAS ALREADY HAVE SHEATHING, BUT THE HOUR. THE ARROWS AREN'T POINTING TO SPECIFIC LOCATIONS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE QUESTION.

YEAH.

LIKE NORTH AND SOUTH FACADE.

YEAH. IF YOU TOOK A STEP BACK AND YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE A WIDER SHOT OF IT, WHICH WE CAN GET BETTER PICTURES IF WE NEED TO. IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE DEAD CENTER MAIN PORTION OF THE HOME, AND EVERYTHING ADJACENT TO IT IS ALL NEWER.

UNDERSTOOD. BUT IT'S NOT. AND THE ONLY AREA. YEAH. THE ONLY AREA THAT YOU COULD SALVAGE IN REUSE THE SIDING WOULD BE UNDER THE PORCH BY THE FRONT DOOR. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE. OH, YEAH.

ONCE EVERYBODY SEES IT, WE JUST NEED TO KEEP IT.

THAT'S ALL. YEAH. AND THAT'S.

IT'S KIND OF A REPRESENTATION OF THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THE

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YOU CAN. CAN PUSH YOUR FINGER THROUGH MOST OF IT. OKAY. SO FOR ME. SO IT WOULD BE LIKE ONE BOARD HERE OR FIVE BOARDS HERE, AND THEN OVER HERE, IT'S ONE BOARD HERE. NO, MA'.

AM. IT WOULD BE A WHOLE CELL REPLACEMENT. OKAY. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THERE IS.

THERE'S NO SHEETING BEHIND IT, AND IT NEEDS TO BE DONE PROPERLY. SO IT WOULD NEED TO BE. EVEN IF YOU GUYS DON'T APPROVE GOING BACK WITH FIBER CEMENT. THAT ENTIRE AREA NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. IT WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE REPLACED WITH WOOD. THAT IS MORE LIKE A CLAPBOARD. THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THAT CLAPBOARD WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT THAN EVERYTHING ELSE. WELL, I THINK WHAT THIS BOARD WOULD ASK YOU TO DO IS. AND I WON'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE, BUT WE WANT TO SEE AS MUCH OF THAT MATERIAL. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND TAKING ALL THE SIDING OFF, PUTTING ZIP SHEATHING BACK MAKES PERFECT SENSE. BUT WE WANT, YOU KNOW, A REALLY GOOD, SELECTIVE DEMO OF THAT SIDING TO KEEP AS MUCH OF IT INT INTACT SO THAT YOU COULD GO BACK WITH AS MUCH.

THAT IS GOOD. I'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE. THAT'S A GREAT PRACTICE, OBVIOUSLY, FOR TRYING TO WATERPROOF WHAT ISN'T THERE.

AND I'M NOT SURPRISED YOU FOUND FIVE DIFFERENT KINDS OF SIDING. THAT'S EVERY PROJECT I'VE EVER RUN INTO. IT'S FIVE DIFFERENT, AT LEAST. BUT I AGREE. I THINK A LOT MORE DOCUMENTATION AND FEEL FREE TO DRAW ON THE HOUSE ITSELF.

AND SHOW US EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING MATERIAL OFF AND REPLACING. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A WHOLESALE SIDING AND SHEATHING REPLACEMENT, THESE ARROWS ARE NOT TELLING ME THAT. THEY'RE SAYING, OKAY, THAT BOARD'S GETTING REPLACED, THAT BOARD'S GETTING REPLACED.

SO, SO DRAW ON THE HOUSE. SHOW ME. WE'LL DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON THE DOCUMENTATION.

IT'S MEANT TO NOTATE THAT THOSE ARE THE WALLS, ENTIRE WALLS OF THE HOME THAT WOULD BE REPLACED. THE TRIM WORK AND THE WINDOWS WOULD BE SALVAGED AND LEFT IN PLACE. THEY WOULD NOT BE REMOVED. ALL OF THAT WOULD BE HAND MILLED AND REPLACED.

SO IT'S ACCURATE. SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS OR ANY OF THAT STUFF. MAN. I'M SORRY.

YOU JUST. I'M SORRY. FIRST YOU SAID IT WAS SALVAGED, BUT THEN YOU SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE REPLACED, SO. WHICH.

IT'S THE WOOD TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS. THE WOOD TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS WOULD BE REPAIRED OR REPLACED IN KIND. THEY WOULD NOT BE CHANGED TO A CEMENT SIDING OR A CEMENT BOARD OR COMPOSITE BOARD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THEY'D HAVE TO BE MODIFIED BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING, YOU KNOW, HALF INCH BEHIND IT. YOU HAVE TO KIND OF ADJUST AND MAKE MODIFICATIONS AND THEN REPLACE THE BOARDS SO THAT IT STAYS CONSISTENT WITH HOW IT LOOKS.

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED. OH, SORRY.

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED IN TERMS OF INSULATION, INJECTING, INFLATION FROM THE INSIDE? THAT WOULD BE THE HOMEOWNER'S CONSIDERATION. AND YEAH, FOR RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY WALLS DON'T HAVE IT. SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS. WHEN YOU OPEN IT UP, WE HAVE TO JUST ASSUME AND THEN ATTACK IT AS WE GET IT. I THINK JUST TO GIVE HIM GOOD IN THE SPIRIT OF GIVING HIM GOOD DIRECTION. I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING FROM BOARD MEMBERS IS THAT OUR FIRST PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO REPAIR WHAT'S THERE.

BUT PENDING YOUR REPORT, THAT MAY NOT BE AN OPTION. SECOND OPTION WOULD BE REPLACE WITH WOOD ON THE. CERTAINLY ON THE HISTORIC HOME. FINAL OPTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'D BE ANY APPETITE FOR THIS, WOULD BE TO REPLACE WITH SOME KIND OF CEMENTITIOUS SIDING. AND I THINK THE ONLY ONE THAT MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING LIKE WITH THE THICKER BUTTON, FIVE, EIGHT, BUTT. IT'S A LITTLE MORE TRADITIONAL. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT I THINK WE DEFINITELY WOULD WANT TO BE IN THE REALM OF ORDERING IT IN THAT WAY.

YEAH. AND. AND BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HOMEOWNER WHERE SHE'S AT, BECAUSE THIS IS. THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE THE 10 TO 12TH TIME THAT SHE'S ACTUALLY DONE REPAIR WORK TO THIS AREA. SHE'S OF THE MIND THAT IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT ALLOWING HER TO DO THE CEMENT SIDING, THEN SHE'S GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REPLACING IT WITH WOOD AND HAVING NEW WOOD THAT'S TREATED PROPERLY. YEAH. SO IT STILL HAS THE SAME LOOK. IT'S WOOD. BUT WOOD SIDING NOW IS DIFFERENT THAN WOOD SIDING THEN, AND IT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE COMPLETELY. YEAH, I AGREE. WELL, I THINK. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO LAND. AND MAYBE CONTINUING WOULD BE A GOOD AVENUE TO GO FOR THEM, TO LET THEM GET A REVISED REPORT IN WITH SOME MORE ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. ARE WE CONTINUING THE CONCEPTUAL OR DO WE APPROVE? YEAH, WE CAN TALK THAT DURING BOARD DISCUSSION.

AND I'M JUST KIND OF TRYING TO GAUGE EYE LOOKS FROM BOARD MEMBERS. IF

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BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT, PERSONALLY, I GET THE FEELING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT DOING A FIBER CEMENT, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.

YEAH. I LOVE THE AREA, AND I LOVE WORKING ON THESE HOMES. TRUST ME, I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY. WE DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO KEEP EVERYTHING AS NICE AS POSSIBLE AND TRADITIONAL AND KEEP IT THE RIGHT LOOK. YOU. YOU PUT THE ADDITION ON THE HOUSE. WE DID, YEAH. AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL.

AND IT LOOKS GREAT. AND WE TRIED OUR BEST TO TRY TO KEEP EVERYTHING PROPER. YOU CAN TELL. SO THE CONCERN FOR THE CLIENT IS. IT IS OBVIOUSLY A FINANCIAL CONCERN.

SURE. BUT SHE'S TRYING TO ALSO KEEP WITH THE LOOK OF THE HOME AND. AND WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL LADY. I DON'T. I'M NOT. SHE'S NOT JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE HERE.

IT'S NOT LIKE THAT.

BUT WE HAVE TO, AT SOME POINT ADDRESS A REALLY BIG PROBLEM FOR HER, WHICH IS THAT. THAT SECTION OF THE HOME. BUT. AND I'VE TRIED TO TALK HER INTO DOING WOOD, AND THAT WAS HER LAST RESORT, WAS, OKAY, IF THEY WON'T LET ME DO THIS, THEN I WILL ACCEPT DOING A WOOD AS LONG AS YOU CAN PROMISE ME YOU CAN DO A DIFFERENT TREATMENT TO THIS WOOD. I'M NOT GOING TO BE PAYING TO HAVE IT REPAINTED, BONDOED, AND REPAIRED EVERY, YOU KNOW, TWO TIMES A YEAR. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE SHE'S AT IN OUR MEETINGS. WELL, I THINK.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE WILL CONTRADICT ME HERE, BUT WE ALL WANT. WE LOVE THAT SHE'S WILLING TO TAKE ON THIS PROJECT, AND WE HOPE SHE WILL BE RESPONSIVE TO GOING BACK WITH WOOD BECAUSE THAT REAL.

THIS HOUSE DESERVES THAT KIND OF TREATMENT. OH, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME. YEAH. AND YOU DON'T SEE MANY LIKE THAT THAT ARE STILL STANDING PROPERLY AND THE FOUNDATION ISN'T CRUMBLING AND FALLING APART, SO. THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S NEAT. BUT HER BIGGEST CONCERN WAS SHE. SHE TRAVELS, SHE'S A WRITER, AND SHE WANTED IT DONE BY THE END OF AUGUST. SO I SAID, WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

THAT'S A TOUGH ONE. WELL, I. I THINK. I THINK AT THIS POINT, I'LL. I'LL THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. INPUT. AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP, SEE IF WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO BOARD DISCUSSION. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WOULD ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO TALK ABOUT THIS HOUSE OR PROJECT? USE MY SKILLS. TERESA. COULD WE MAKE AN EXCEPTION THAT HE COULD SPEAK FROM THERE, OR IS THE CAMERA NECESSARY? OH, IT'S NOT THE CAMERA. IT'S MORE A MICROPHONE SO WE CAN HEAR. ARE YOU SPEAKING IN THIS CASE? ARE YOU HEADING OUT? NO, I'M JUST. OH, YOU'RE FINISHED. OKAY. WE WERE GONNA GET YOU SWORN IN AND EVERYTHING. OKAY. I APPRECIATE IT. PLEASE EXCUSE THE PLATTER. ALL RIGHT, WELL, SEEING NOBODY ELSE STEPPING UP TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN BOARD DISCUSSION. BOB, I THINK YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS YOU WANTED TO PITCH OUR WAY.

JUST. NO, IT'S. IT'S CONCEPTUAL. SO AS CONCEPTUAL, DO WE. DO WE LIST THOSE CONDITIONS, OR DO WE JUST EXTEND THE CONCEPTUAL TO COME BACK IN AUGUST, BUT HEARING THAT THEY WANT TO BE DONE BY AUGUST? WELL, I DON'T SEE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN CLEAR THE. CLEAR IT AND APPROVE IT TODAY. SO I THINK, REALLY, WE WANT TO SEE THAT MORE DETAILED REPORT TO BE ABLE TO SAY YAY OR NAY ON THESE BIDS. SO DO WE. DO WE APPROVE CONCEPTUAL ON THE CONDITION THAT A FULL, DETAILED REPORT WITH ALL THESE THINGS COME BACK FOR FINAL? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS, DO YOU HAD SAID CONTINUE? SO ARE WE CONTINUING CONCEPTUAL? ARE WE GIVING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONCEPTUAL TO GO TO FINAL? EITHER WAY, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE PUBLICLY POSTED AS FINAL.

WELL, I HAD A KIND OF POINT OF CLARIFICATION THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH THE BOARD. IF THE APPLICANT COMES BACK TO ME AND SAYS THEY WANT TO JUST DO WOOD SIDING REPLACEMENT. SO THAT WOULD BE, IN STAFF'S OPINION, A REPLACEMENT IN KIND. WOULD THAT. THAT COULD THEN BE A STAFF APPROVAL, OR WOULD THAT COME BACK TO THE BOARD? CAN I JUMP IN? I DON'T THINK IT IS. IT WOULD NOT BE IN KIND BECAUSE YOU'D BE MODIFYING THE LIKE, JUST AS DYLAN SAID THAT THE ENTIRE THICKNESS OF THIS SIDING, THIS COMPOSITION OF THIS WALL IS GETTING THICKER. IT IS GOING TO CHANGE THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING. IT'S GOING TO CHANGE WOOD TRIM. I'M JUST NOT

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WELL, I THINK SHE CLEARLY HAS A DESIRE TO FIRM UP THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE, WHICH MEANS INSTALLING SHEETING BEHIND THE SIDING. AND THAT'LL ALSO GIVE HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE CARE OF ANY WATER INTRUSION ISSUES WHERE IT INTERSECTS WITH ROOFS AND AROUND ALL THE WINDOWS. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND TOTALLY WHY SHE WOULD WANT TO GET INTO THAT INSTEAD OF JUST CONTINUALLY PIECEMEAL PATCHING EVERYTHING, BECAUSE THAT'S ONLY EVER A TEMPORARY SOLUTION. I THINK I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MIA. AND I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SAY IT'S REPLACE IN KIND BECAUSE IT, IT'S NOT A PERCEPTIBLE. AND CERTAINLY YOU GUYS CAN WEIGH IN THAT, THAT HALF INCH OF THICKNESS BEING ADDED. I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT ONCE THEY RESET THE WINDOW TRIM AND STUFF THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE. I MEAN, DYLAN, YOU'VE DONE THESE.

YEAH. SO MANY TIMES. IT, IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT'S THERE AND WHAT, WHAT THICKNESS THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH. YOU KNOW, WHAT TOLERANCE THEY ALREADY HAVE.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO BACK WITH FIVE QUARTER MATERIAL, DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT IS.

IT'LL GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, MORE. OR JUST GO ON TOP OF WHAT'S THERE EXISTING AND ADD A ONE BY ON TOP OF THE WINDOW TRIM THERE. AS FAR AS SIDING PROJECTS GO, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S A 10 OUT OF 10 SIDING PROJECT TO REMOVE EVERYTHING, GO BACK WITH SHEATHING. I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST SPOT REPAIRS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WALK PAST THIS HOUSE AT LEAST THREE TO FOUR TIMES A DAY. I REALLY QUESTIONED THIS INITIALLY. I WAS LIKE, I DON'T SEE ANY DAMAGE. MAYBE I, YOU KNOW, I WAS AT THE SIDEWALK. I WASN'T UP IN, IN THE BUILDING. SO I REALLY JUST WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, A REPORT THAT CLEARLY ARTICULATES, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS DAMAGED, WHAT CAN BE SAVED.

BECAUSE I THINK ANYWHERE ELSE, IF YOU'RE DOING THIS MUCH WORK TO HISTORIC SIDING, YOU'RE SAVING AS MUCH OF THE HISTORIC SIDING IT IS, YOU CAN WORK THROUGH. OKAY.

THIS IS WHAT PRESSURE TREATED, YOU KNOW, DON'T NEED THAT.

THIS IS, YOU KNOW, UNSALVAGEABLE MATERIAL AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, CUTTING AND REPLACING IT AND USING IT AGAIN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I THINK IT'S GOING TO SET A BAD PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE PROJECTS. IF WE WERE TO DO THIS. A WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT. EVEN A REPLACEMENT WITH WOOD. NO, A REPLACEMENT WITH WOOD IS. WOULD BE. I GUESS IT WOULD BE. IT WOULD BE TOLERABLE. BUT A REPLACEMENT WITH HARDY. YEAH, AGREE.

AGREE. THE HARDY'S LAST RESORT.

AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO STIPULATE WHAT. SINCE THERE IS FIVE DIFFERENT KINDS OF SIDING. WHICH ONE ARE THEY GOING BACK WITH? IS IT. I'VE USED ONE BY. I'VE USED BEVEL CEDAR BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S MAJORITY OF WHAT'S THERE.

THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, ME AND THE HOMEOWNER DECIDED.

SO WHAT WHICH ONE WINS OUT? I WOULD THINK THE ONE THAT LOOKS JUST LIKE WHAT'S THERE ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. YEAH.

WHICH COULD BE FIVE DIFFERENT THINGS. YEAH. YEAH. SO JUST.

JUST GETTING MORE CLARIFICATION ON THAT. ON WHAT HE DECIDES TO GO BACK.

BUT AS LONG AS IT'S WOOD, I'M OKAY WITH WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF IT FITS.

FITS THE BUILDING. YEAH. I THINK IF WE GET THE REPORT BACK AND YOU CERTAINLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO BACK WITH BASED ON THE EVIDENCE, YOU CAN SHOW US THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE.

HELP US AND BE COMPELLING TO US. IF THERE WERE WOOD BASED ON THAT HOME, IT WOULD BE A CEDAR PLATFORM.

YEAH, I. I WOULD. I THINK CONTINUING IT GIVES HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT IN.

YEAH. SO THAT WE CAN THEN RENDER A DECISION. I AGREE.

WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO PUT TOGETHER A MOTION? I MOVE TO CONTINUE CASE. YEAH.

YES, YOU DO. YOU JUST NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE FINDINGS AND THINGS. I MOVE TO CONTINUE CASE NUMBER HDC 202060024 TO THE AUGUST 20TH.

IS THAT THE NEXT DATE? I WOULD JUST SAY THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE HTC. THE NEXT AVAILABLE HTC MEETING. IS THIS KIND OF PROCEDURAL QUESTION.

IS THERE A WAY WE CAN CONTINUE IT UNTIL THE APPLICANT IS READY TO COME BACK OR DOES IT HAVE TO

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GREAT. I'VE HEARD A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND MOTION IS SECOND. MCKENNA, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE VOTE? MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER. YES. MEMBER BYRNES? YES. MEMBER SALA? YES.

MEMBER RILEY? YES. VICE CHAIR PSULKOWSKI. YES. AND CHAIR POZETTA? YES. THANKS FOR COMING IN. CAN I JUST ASK ONE MORE QUESTION ON THE PROCEDURE THERE? SURE.

IF IT TAKES THEM A MONTH OR TWO TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER BUT THEN THEY FEEL THE PACKET IS GOOD ENOUGH TO COME FINAL. CAN YOU SWITCH IT? AS LONG AS IT'S POSTED AND PUBLICLY MADE, I DON'T KNOW LEGALLY YOU CAN DO THAT, BOB, IF THEY TURN IN ENOUGH MATERIALS TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL.

RIGHT. WE HAVE GIVEN FINAL APPROVAL. SO WE CAN MAKE THAT CALL HERE. WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE HERE. I'LL DISCUSS THAT WITH THE APPLICANT AND SEE IF WE'RE COMING BACK FOR CONCEPTUAL OR FINAL.

BUT MY FEELING BASED ON THE BOARD DISCUSSION AND WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS DISCUSSED THAT IT WILL BE COMING BACK FOR FINAL AT AS SOON AS IT'S READY TO COME BACK. BECAUSE IN OTHER MEETINGS WE'VE RUN INTO THAT WHERE IF IT LOOKS LEGALLY WAS POSTED AS CONCEPTUAL, WE COULDN'T MAKE A CHANGE HERE.

YOU CAN'T MAKE IT FINAL, IT HAS TO BE POSTED AS FINAL.

AND THAT'S WHY BY ALLOWING IT THE WAY YOU DID WITH YOUR MOTION, IT'LL BE THE HTC MEETING THAT ALLOWS STAFF TO ADVERTISE IT PROPERLY AND IT'LL BE DETERMINE IF THEY HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO COME BACK FOR FINAL.

GREAT. AND ONE LAST CLARIFICATION WHICH IS JUST FROM A PROCEDURAL POINT OF VIEW. I DID NOT CATCH YOUR NAME, SIR. JACK NIPPER. SO YOU'RE DIFFERENT THAN THE PERSON WHO SIGNED THE AFFIDAVIT. JAMES COMPANION? YES, THAT'S MY FATHER IN LAW.

OKAY. HE'S UNDER THE WEATHER AND HOLD.

OKAY, IS THERE. SO WHAT? AND WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS DURING THE MEETING PORTION AND THE BEFORE WE VOTED.

BUT NEXT TIME JUST MAKE THE BEFORE YOU COME BACK GET AS AN APPROVAL FOR BOTH OF YOU THAT BECAUSE IT WAS SPECIFIC THAT OF THE HUMAN THAT COULD BE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT THE NOTARIZED FORM. SO WHEN YOU RESUBMIT JUST PUT BOTH YOUR NAMES ON THERE. THAT WAY IF ONE OF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT, WE HAVE BOTH OF YOU AUTHORIZED. GREAT, THANK

[5.4 HDC 2026-0025 - CARLOS ABACA, AGENT 408 BEECH STREET, LLC, 408 BEECH STREET]

AWESOME. YOUR FIRST BEAT. HI EVERYBODY. LIKE MS. SADLER SAYS, MCKENNA TARMI. I'M A PLANNING TECHNICIAN AND SHE GRACIOUSLY ALLOWED ME TO HELP HER WITH THIS CASE. SO THIS IS THE PROJECT HTC CASE 20260025 AT 408 BEACH STREET.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE ENCLOSED FRONT PORCH AND REMOVE AND RESET THE FRONT, SIDE AND REAR DECKS.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE CIRCA 1900. IT'S A OF A FRAME VERNACULAR SHOTGUN STYLE WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT.

IT HAS HISTORICALLY FUNCTIONED AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND IS CURRENTLY UNDERGOING INTERIOR RENOVATIONS. THE PROPOSED WORK INTENDS TO RESET THE APPEARANCE OF THE FRONT FACADE BY REMOVING THE ENCLOSED FRONT PORCH AND RECONSTRUCTING THE EXTERIOR DECKS. STAFF RESEARCH FOUND THAT THE FRONT PORCH ENCLOSURE HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR SEVERAL DECADES AND THE ENCLOSURE DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE AS EVIDENCED BY THE STEP IN ALONG THE PRIMARY FACADE.

ALTHOUGH THE ENCLOSURE IS IDENTIFIED AS AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE WITHIN THE FLORIDA MASTER SITE FILE, STAFF DOES NOT FIND IT TO BE A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF THE STRUCTURE OR ONE THAT CONTRIBUTES SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE HISTORIC STREETSCAPE.

IT IS OUR INTERPRETATION THAT AN OPEN FRONT PORCH IS MUCH MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF VERNACULAR SHOTGUN HOUSES FOUND THROUGHOUT FERNANDINA BEACH, INCLUDING THE ONE ACTUALLY NEXT DOOR. THE PROPERTY HAS EXPERIENCED NUMEROUS ALTERATIONS OVER THE DECADES.

CITY RECORDS INDICATE PREVIOUS MODIFICATIONS INCLUDES CHANGES TO THE ROOF LINE, REPLACEMENT OF SIDING AND THE ADDITION OF A REAR INSIDE DECK. BECAUSE OF THOSE CUMULATIVE CHANGES, THE PROPOSED REMOVAL OF THE PORCH ENCLOSURE IS NOT INTRODUCED IN NEW ALTERATION TO AN OTHERWISE INVENTED INTACT HISTORIC FACADE, BUT RATHER MOVES BUILDING

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FOLLOWING A DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT, HE SENT IN REVISED PLANS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION ON THE DECK LAYOUTS, PORCH POST DETAILS AND CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS. THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THE EXISTING FRONT, SIDE AND REAR DECKS WILL BE DEMOLISHED AND RECONSTRUCTED WITHIN THEIR EXISTING FOOTPRINT WITH NO EXPANSION INTO THE REQUIRED FRONT SET OR REAR SETBACKS. SO YES, HERE YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE RESULTS WOULD BE WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE.

THAT'S THE EXISTING. AND THIS WOULD BE WHAT THE REMOVAL WOULD LOOK LIKE. OKAY, MAKING SURE I'M ON THE RIGHT SIDE. SORRY.

SO YEAH. WHILE THE REVISED DRAWINGS ADDRESS SEVERAL OF STAFF'S EARLIER QUESTIONS, THERE ARE SOME PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN SUBMITTED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PROPOSED SIDING, WINDOWS, DOORS OR FINISHED COLORS. AND THESE DETAILS ARE NECESSARY TO VERIFY ITS CONSISTENCY WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES. THE APPLICANT DID STATE THAT THE PROPOSED DECKING MATERIAL WILL BE A 6 INCH PRESSURE TREATED DECKING BORED AND PRESSURE TREATED PINE BALUSTERS. SO THEREFORE, IT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR FINAL APPROVAL WITH THE CLARIFICATION ON THOSE SAID MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS.

AND YEAH, THANK YOU GUYS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER BOARD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MCKENNA? BUT CAN I JUST CLARIFY? WE DON'T HAVE. BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND IT. WE DON'T HAVE THESE, THE ONES THAT YOU'RE SHOWING US NOW. CORRECT. WE DON'T HAVE THOSE DRAWINGS. CORRECT. THOSE WERE SUBMITTED EARLIER THIS WEEK. YEAH. CORRECT. CAN YOU.

YOU MENTIONED THAT THE FRONT PORCH WAS SEVERAL DECADES OLD.

DO YOU KNOW HOW OLD IT IS? THERE IS NO SPECIFIC EVIDENCE AS TO WHEN THE ENCLOSURE WAS FIRST MADE. HOWEVER, LIKE I HAD MENTIONED, BASED ON THE INSET OF ITS POSITIONING, YOU CAN KIND OF TELL THAT IT WAS AT ONCE ADDED. YEAH. HAVE THEY INDICATED IF THEY'RE KEEPING THOSE FRONT STAIRS? I THINK THE INTENTION IS ONCE THEY ARE TO BE REMOVED, THEY WOULD BE REBUILT IN A SIMILAR FASHION. AND THEN I CAN GO BACK TO THIS. YES, AND I WOULD ALSO REFER TO THE APPLICANT FOR THOSE SPECIFICATIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

MCKENNA. IF THE APPLICANT'S HERE, PLEASE COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. HELLO EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS CHARLIE ABACA. I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. I LIVE AT 113 S. 8TH ST. AND THE INTENTION IS JUST TO REMOVE THE ENCLOSURE COVERING THE FRONT PORCH. IT SITS ON THE EXISTING SIDING, ORIGINAL SIDING OF THE HOUSE.

SO IT, IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT WAS ADDED AT A LATER TIME. AND IT DOESN'T REALLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE. IT'S NOT VERY USER FRIENDLY.

THERE'S NO A.C. GETTING TO IT. IT'S MORE, MORE OF A STORAGE. IT SEEMS LIKE THE PREVIOUS OWNER USED IT AS A STORAGE. I JUST LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY LOOK NICER AND I DON'T THINK THE ENCLOSURE MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS MEANT TO.

GOTCHA. BOARD MEMBERS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THE WINDOW ON THE NEW FRONT SLASH NORTH ELEVATION, THAT'S EXISTING, RIGHT. WHEN YOU PEEL THAT BACK, THAT, THAT WINDOW'S ALREADY SITTING.

SO THE WINDOW'S NOT THERE, BUT THE OPENING IS THERE.

OKAY. ALL OF THE WINDOWS THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE WERE REPLACED, I BELIEVE IN THE LAST REMODEL IN 2001.

SO ARE YOU REUSING ALUMINUM WINDOW REUSING AND PUTTING BACK INTO THAT OPENING OR SOURCING AN ALUMINUM WINDOW? SO ALL THE WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE WERE REPLACED FOR VINYL WINDOWS. OKAY. SO I'M. MY INTENTION WAS TO MATCH THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND USE A

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BUT THE, THE ORIGINAL WINDOW IS NO LONGER THERE. THE OPENING IS, BUT THE WINDOW IS NOT.

IS, IS THE WINDOW WE'RE LOOKING AT AT THE FRONT IN THE NEW PORTION, IS THAT A DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW WITH ONE HORIZONTAL MUNTON IN EACH SASH. SO THAT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MATCH THE SPEC WINDOW THAT I'VE CHOSEN.

FOR THE PROJECT, THEY'RE ALL SINGLE HUNG. SO IT'D BE A SINGLE HUNG WITH TWO CLEAR PANELS ONE ON TOP OF THE OTHER, WHICH IS WHAT THE REST OF THE WINDOWS LOOK LIKE.

GOTCHA. SO THERE'S. I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. THE. THE ENTIRE HOUSE CURRENTLY HAS VINYL WINDOWS ON THE ENTIRE HOUSE. YEAH, THEY'RE ALL. THEY'RE ALL NEWER WINDOWS, I BELIEVE. THEY'RE ALL PROBABLY FROM 2001. AND YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT A VINYL WINDOW ON THE FRONT. CORRECT.

TO MATCH THE REST OF THE WINDOW. SO, MCKENNA, WOULD YOU MIND PUTTING THE PHOTOGRAPH ON THE SCREEN TO THE. THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE FRONT. THE ENCLOSED FRONT PORCH OF THE EXISTING ONE. THAT NICE MUSTARD YELLOW COLOR. SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT I SEE ON THIS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE FINAL VERSION IS THIS THING'S BUILT ON BRICK PIERS. CORRECT. AND THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED REALLY DON'T TELL US WHAT, HOW THE NEW PIECE IS GOING TO GET PUT TOGETHER. I THINK THAT'S A NICE DETAIL. THAT WOULD BE. IT IS. I AGREE.

GREAT. TO KIND OF CARRY BACK IN. AND I WOULD WANT TO SEE THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, SHOW US, GIVE US A BETTER IDEA OF EXACTLY WHAT IS THIS GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN. WHEN IT GETS INSTALLED. I CAN SEE BY YOUR NODDING YOUR UNDERSTANDING. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD WANT TO SEE. SURE. SO THAT WOULD BE THE, THE BRICK PILLARS IN THE FRONT, UNDERNEATH THE FRONT OF THE DECK OF THE NEW DECK.

YEAH. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S PROBABLY THREE RUNNING ACROSS THE FRONT. I BELIEVE IT IS THREE. AND YES. AND I BELIEVE THE, THE PILLARS THAT ARE THERE CAN BE REUSED WHEN I REDECK THE FRONT. SO IF THAT'S AN OPTION, I'D RATHER REUSE WHAT'S THERE THAN HAVE TO COME IN WITH NEW PILLARS. SURE, SURE. I THINK FOR ME JUST THE QUESTION WAS BASED ON THE DRAWINGS YOU PROVIDED US. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO. RIGHT.

YEAH. AND THE DRAWING REALLY DOES NOT REPRESENT VERY WELL, NOW THAT YOU MENTION IT. IT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW THAT DETAIL. SO YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE EXTRA LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT SURE, WE WOULD WANT TO SEE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FRONT STEPS. IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP WHAT'S THERE, THEN PUT A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL INTO SHOWING US WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN ITS PLACE. OKAY. IS THERE A REASON YOU'RE RUNNING THESE RAILINGS UP TO 3 FOOT 6 HIGH? THERE ISN'T. I DIDN'T CONSULT.

WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT WITH MY ARCHITECT. SO WE. I'D BE HAPPY TO BRING THEM DOWN IF I THINK YOU WOULD FIND THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE OVER THEM WITH A REGULAR CHAIR. YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE THAT RAIL RIGHT IN YOUR EYE. YES. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE THAT HIGH. THERE'S NO REASON FOR YOU TO RUN THEM UP THAT HIGH.

OKAY. AND I THINK YOU'D ENJOY YOUR FRONT PORCH A LOT MORE IF THEY WERE BROUGHT DOWN FROM THAT HEIGHT. WHERE DID YOU SEE THAT? IN THE DRAWINGS.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO. THANK YOU FOR GETTING THE. THE NEW DRAWINGS AND THE EXPANDED DETAIL THAT WAS MY ONLY THING I WAS MISSING IS WHAT THAT SIDE DECK LOOKED LIKE AND SOME MEASUREMENTS OF THIS. SO FOR THE SIDE DECK AND THE REAR DECK OR JUST REMOVING AND REPLACING.

THEY'RE ALL. THEY'RE BOTH ROTTEN. BUT I'M NOT TAKING UP ANY MORE SPACE OR SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN THEY DO ORIGINALLY. SO YEAH, THAT'S.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING. AND FOR THIS, THE FRONT STEPS.

WOULD IT BE OKAY IF I JUST USED THE DECKING BOARD SIDE BY SIDE, ONE IN FRONT OF THE OTHER? I THINK SO. JUST TO MATCH THE REST OF THE DECK. AND I'LL PROVIDE.

I'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT DETAIL. GREAT.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT

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IN THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION FOR THE SIDE AND REAR DECK, IT'S REALLY DESCRIBING AN IN KIND REPLACEMENT. BUT FROM THE PICTURES I CAN SEE THAT THE RAILING ON THE EXISTING IS DIFFERENT FROM THE PROPOSED NEW RAILING, WHICH WOULD NOT BE A REPLACEMENT IN KIND. YOU'RE BRINGING SOMETHING NEW TO THE MIX. SO THE. THE ONLY DECK WITH RAILING IS THE SIDE DECK THAT OPENS. YOU KNOW, THE DOOR OPENS UP TO THE KITCHEN. YEAH. AND WHAT THEY USE FOR RAILING ARE 1X4S.

HORIZONTAL 1X4S. YEAH. AND THEY'RE TACKED TOGETHER ON THE TOP WITH PROBABLY ONE BY FOURS ALSO. I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF USING THE REGULAR RAILING.

SO. SO THESE DAYS MY ONLY THOUGHT IS THAT THE. WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING IS REALLY SOMETHING I WOULD. THAT'S THE WAY THEY DESIGNED A RAILING LIKE IN THE 70S AND 80S. IT DOESN'T REALLY SPEAK TO, IN MY OPINION, THIS HOUSE THAT SOMETHING CLOSER TO WHAT'S ON THERE RIGHT NOW WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE PRETTY APPROPRIATE FOR THE STYLE OF HOME THAT YOU HAVE. SURE.

I'D BE HAPPY TO GO EVEN MORE CREATIVE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS WOULD PREFER. I'D OBJECT TO YOU BEING CREATIVE.

BUT YOU KNOW, THE ONLY RAILING THAT I COULD GET REFERENCE FROM IS ALSO A NEWER RAILING MADE OUT OF ONE BY FOURS, WHICH WAS PROBABLY REDONE EITHER IN 2001 ONE OR EARLIER.

YEAH. DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT? NO.

GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY PLEASURE. WHAT WE'LL DO NOW IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND UP THERE ANYMORE. I'M GOING TO SEE IF ANYBODY IN THE CROWD WANTS TO COME UP. AND SO MAY I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? SO DO I.

WILL I BE GETTING A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL TO BE ABLE TO START REMOVING AS LONG AS I DON'T REPLACE UNTIL YOU GUYS LOOK AT WHAT I'M REPLACING WITH IN TERMS OF THE RAILING, I GUESS, AND THE WINDOW. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK THAT REALLY, WE GOT TO CONSIDER THAT IN BOARD DISCUSSION. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE PLEASE.

MA'. AM. NO, SHE DIDN'T. SO I THINK THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO ADMINISTER THE OATH TO YOU. OKAY. I SHOULD HAVE DONE IT EARLIER THEN. IF YOU COULD GIVE YOUR. GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. NAME FIRST OR OATH FIRST? OATH FIRST. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. THANK YOU.

TYNA CHRISTNER, 406 BEACH ST. I LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS, ABOUT 8FT AWAY. AND I AM SO HAPPY A MAN LIKE CHARLIE HAS GOTTEN THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. I'VE BEEN WATCHING IT.

ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO SAY FIRST IS PLEASE DO GIVE HIM CONDITIONAL TO REMOVE THE SIDE AND THE BACK PORCH. THEY ARE A DISASTER. ANYBODY WHO WALKS UP THERE IS GOING TO FALL THROUGH. I MEAN, THEY ARE REALLY BAD. SO FOR SAFETY, PLEASE DO GIVE HIM THAT BECAUSE I AM CONCERNED. I GUESS HE COULD ROPE IT OFF.

THE HOUSE IS A WONDERFUL HOUSE.

TWO SISTERS USED TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE I HAVE AND THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR. AND I DON'T KNOW IF CHARLIE KNOWS THIS, BUT HIS HOUSE USED TO HOST A BEAUTY PARLOR IN THE BACK AREA. SO ALL THE WOMEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD COME INTO THE BEAUTY PARLOR ON THE SIDE DOOR AND THERE WAS A BACK SITTING PORCH WHERE EVERYBODY WOULD SIT. AND I BET YOU WOULD LOVE TO HEAR. HEAR THE GOSSIP ON THAT PORCH WHILE THEY WERE WAITING FOR THEIR HAIR TO, YOU KNOW, DRY OR THE COLORING TO SET OR WHATEVER.

BUT HE'S GOING TO DO JUST A WONDERFUL JOB. I AM. SO FOR THIS, THAT FRONT PORCH MY HOUSE USED TO HAVE THAT I ACTUALLY WATCHED THE 2001 RENOVATION TAKE PLACE ON THIS HOUSE. SO I CAN TELL YOU ALL THOSE WINDOWS WERE PUT IN, THOSE PORCHES WERE PUT IN AT THAT TIME. IT'S ALL VERY LOW DOLLAR STUFF. LOWE'S AT THE TIME. SO THERE'S NOTHING OF A HISTORIC DISTINCTION THAT HE IS ASKING TO REPLACE IN THERE. AND I'M JUST PRAYING THAT THE FRONT CONCRETE STEPS AND THE YELLOW GOES AWAY VERY QUICKLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO TALK? SEEING NONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN BOARD DISCUSSION. BOARD MEMBERS. I, I THINK THAT'S A.

I'M NOT SURE HOW TO CRAFT THE MOTION TO ALLOW HIM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TWO OF THE PORCHES. I, I DEFINITELY WANT

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WHAT NEEDS TO BE SHOWN ON THERE, AND I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT HE COULD GET IT IN.

BUT I THINK WE NEED. WE NEED TO CRAFT SO EMOTION APPROPRIATELY.

SO THIS IS. SO WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED IS FINAL APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION. I DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE IT. I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING DRAWINGS OF NEW, LIKE NEW DESIGN AS WELL. SO I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT. I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SCOPE OF WORK IS. I'M NOT CONCEPT OVERALL. I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SCOPE OF WORK IS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US WOULD WARRANT A FINE, CERTAINLY NOT A FINAL APPROVAL, WHICH IS WHAT IS NOTED IN HERE. UNLESS IT'S JUST FINAL APPROVAL OF DEMOLITION AND WE'RE COMING BACK WITH ACTUAL DESIGN. ALTHOUGH WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED IS ACTUAL DESIGN WORK. DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? YEAH. AND IN THE SUMMARY, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FINAL APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING ENCLOSED FRONT PORCH. SO I THINK THAT WHERE THE BOARD MEMBER IS GOING IS YOU. YOU COULD LIMIT IT TO THE DEMOLITION OF THE PORCHES THAT YOU WANT TO. AND TELL HIM HE HAS TO COME BACK.

YEAH. FOR THE OTHER. I THINK THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE IF THAT'S WHERE THE BOARD GETS ITSELF TO. SO I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT THE DISCUSSION, BUT I THINK THERE WAS MORE TO THAT. I KNOW THERE WAS.

YEAH. BUT AT LEAST IT WAS POSTED. AND IF THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH DOING THE REST OF IT, IT ALSO SAYS FRONT, SIDE, REAR DECKS. I, I AGREE. THEY COULD JUST. YOU COULD LIMIT IT TO THE DEMOLITION OF WHAT YOU WANT TO ALLOW THEM TO DEMO BECAUSE YOU'RE APPROVING LESS THAN WHAT WAS NOTICED. OKAY, THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME BECAUSE THEN WE LET HIM GET MOVING, BUT THEN WE STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE DETAILS WE WANT TO SEE, TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT GOES ON IN THE END IS GOING TO BE APPROPRIATE. AND I'M CONFIDENT HE'S GOING TO DO THAT. SO WHO. WHO WANTS THE WORD? SMITH? THIS. I'LL TAKE A CHANCE AT IT. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC.

2026 0025. WITH THE CONDITION THAT THIS APPROVAL IS ONLY FOR DEMOLISHING OF THE FRONT PORCH. SUN ENCLOSURE. ENCLOSURE AND SIDE.

FRONT. SIDE AND REAR. YEAH. I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYTHING WAS BEING DEMOLISHED FROM THE BACK. IS THERE DEMOLISHING GOING ON IN THE BACK? YEAH. OKAY. SO WITH THE CONDITION OF DEMOLISHING THOSE FEATURES THAT ARE REQUIRED AND FRONT. SIDE AND REAR DECKS. FRONT. SIDE AND REAR DECKS. AND I MOVE THAT THE HCC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS. LAW OF THE RECORD, THAT HCC CASE NUMBER 220-260-0025 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND HISTORIC DOWNTOWN FERNANDINA DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL OR DEMOLITION AT THIS TIME. GREAT.

BEFORE ANYBODY SECONDS, I JUST WANT TO ASK THE REST OF THE BOARD. DO. DO WE WANT TO ASK BOB TO AMEND.

TO MAKE ADD IN VERBIAGE ABOUT BRINGING IN THE DETAILS FOR THE FINAL. WE'RE ONLY FINAL APPROVAL FOR DEMOLITION. SO THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING AT THIS POINT. OKAY. IF THAT.

NO, I'M. NO. AND I. I AGREE.

AND THEN I THINK AFTER YOU VOTE ON THIS, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE SOME CLARITY.

CONSENSUS OF WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE. SEE WHEN HE COMES BACK FOR FINAL ON THE REMAINDER OF WHAT HE'S INTENDING TO DO.

OKAY. OF THE REBUILD, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

WELL, IT WASN'T WHAT THE. THE WORD RESET THREW ME OFF ON THE PUBLIC NOTICE. RESET SIDE. YEAH. YEAH. SO WE'VE ACTUALLY SEPARATED IT, WHICH TO ME MAKES CLEANER SENSE BECAUSE TYPICALLY WE SEE A DEMOLISHED REQUEST AND THEN A REBUILD REQUEST. RIGHT. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY. DOES SOMEONE WANT A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. GREAT.

THAT'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

MIA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE. CALL THE VOTE.

YES. MEMBER SHERSTAD SCHALLER? YES. MEMBER BYRNES? YES. MEMBER SALA? YES. MEMBER RILEY? YES. VICE CHAIR PSULKOWSKI? YES. CHAIR POZZETTA? YES. HOPEFULLY THAT WAS CLEAR. IT WAS. YES. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. OKAY. YOU WOULD COME TO THE PODIUM.

YEAH. JUST COME TO THE PODIUM, SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN. JUST BECAUSE IT'S FOR THE RECORD. CHARLIE

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SO WHAT I. I'D BE MISSING AS OF TODAY WOULD BE THE DETAIL OF THE. OF THE NEW RAILING IN THE FRONT PORCH AND THE PILLARS FOR THE FRONT PORCH. IS THAT ALL YOU'RE ASKING? SO I THINK A DETAIL THAT SHOWS HOW THAT FRONT PORCH PORCH IS GOING TO BE PUT TOGETHER. SO THAT WOULD BE. IF YOU CAN KEEP THE PIERS, CALL IT OUT. SAY I'M KEEPING THE PIERS. OKAY. CALL OUT YOUR DECK JOISTS. THE FASCIA ELEMENTS OF THE DECK AND THE RAILINGS, AND THEN ALSO SHOW US HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THOSE STAIRS TOGETHER.

OKAY. AND I THINK. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. OKAY.

YEAH. AND I WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THE NEXT MEETING FOR THAT, I DO BELIEVE. YES. WELL, THAT WOULD BE UP TO DEADLINES AND HOW HE GETS ON THE NEXT MEETING. I MEAN, IF THE BOARD COULD GIVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FROM THE OTHER PIECE OF IT, HE CAN GIVE ME HIS APPLICATION MATERIALS TWO WEEKS AHEAD OF THE NEXT MEETING. SO IT WOULD BE AUGUST 6, WOULD BE THE DEADLINE FOR NEW APPLICATION MATERIALS AS LONG AS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS GRANTED. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYONE? NO, BECAUSE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL LEAVES IT OPEN FOR THEM TO GIVE NEW MATERIALS. RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR OTHER CASES, I THINK TWO WEEKS FOR POSTING AND A ONE WEEK FOR STAFF REVIEW. SO WE HAVE GRANTED THE APPLICANT FINAL APPROVAL TO DO THE INITIAL DEMOLITIONS OF THE ENCLOSURE AND THE SIDE AND REAR DECKS, AND THEN KIND OF HAVE THIS TACK ON PIECE OF LIKE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

GRANTED THAT WE RECEIVE ADDITIONAL APPLICATIONS, APPLICATION MATERIALS THAT SPECIFY PRODUCTS IN EXTERIORS, DOORS, WINDOWS, SIDING. BUT THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN JUST IS THAT WHEN THEY COME FOR CONCEPTUAL, THEN HE'S STILL GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK FOR FINAL. SO DOES IT REALLY SAVE ANYTHING? YOU'RE ADDING TWO MORE MEETINGS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN. NO, NO, NO. THAT'S NOT HOW CONCEPTUAL CAN'T TURN INTO A FINAL. NO, BUT HE WOULD BE COMING BACK FOR THE NEXT MEETING FOR FINAL APPROVAL. RIGHT? IF HE GAINS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS MEETING AND HE GIVES ME HIS APPLICATION MATERIALS BY AUGUST 6, TWO WEEKS AHEAD OF THE NEXT MEETING, THEN IT WILL COME BACK FOR FINAL. BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, HE'S ALREADY MISSED THE APPLICATION DEADLINE FOR AUGUST IF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS NOT GRANTED. SO WOULD WE DO ANOTHER MOTION? CONCEPTUAL TO THE DESIGN? CORRECT NUMBER. RIGHT. OKAY.

SO FINAL APPROVAL FOR THE DEMOLITION, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE REST. AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO GET AT BEFORE WE MADE A MOTION, BUT I WOULD. LET'S JUST AMEND THE MOTION EVEN. I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY MOTION PROOF.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO RECONSIDER YOUR MOTION? YOU HAVE TO DO IT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.

OKAY, I AM GOING TO RECONSIDER MY MOTION. AND ACTUALLY, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PRESENT IT TO THE FULL BOARD. SO IS. IS THERE A SECOND TO RECONSIDER THAT MOTION? SECOND. OKAY. AND I'M JUST GOING TO. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. SEEING NONE, THAT MEANS ALL FOUR OR FIVE BOARD MEMBERS APPROVED IT. AND SO NOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDED MOTION THAT FOLLOWS THE DEMOLITION AND THEN CONCEPTUAL ON THE RECON, WHATEVER THE PROPER WORD FOR THAT IF IT WOULD BE RECONSTRUCTION, REDESIGN, DESIGN AND THEN HE CAN COME BACK AT WHATEVER AUGUST MEETING WE HAVE. OKAY. PENDING GETTING THE APPLICATION THE DOCUMENT.

WE'RE READY TO GO. YEAH. YES.

OKAY. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC 202060025 WITH THE CONDITION. CONDITIONS THAT. THIS IS FINAL APPROVAL FOR DEMOLITION OF THE FRONT, REAR AND SIDE COMPONENTS OF THE APPLICATION AND CONCEPTUAL FOR THE REBUILDING OR WHATEVER IS TO GO IN ITS PLACE.

WITH THE CONDITIONS.

WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT.

APPLICANT PROVIDE COMPLETE PRODUCT SPECIFICATION FOR ALL PROPOSED MATERIALS.

THE APPLICANT PROVIDE ALL THE MATERIALS AND DETAIL FOR WHAT IS BEING REPLACED.

OKAY. DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? DO I HAVE A SECOND? NO. NO. AND I MOVE THAT THE HTC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS. FACT AND CONCLUSION OF THE LAW, PART OF THE RECORD AND THAT HDC CASE 2026200025 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT

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SECOND. IT'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. MIA, COULD YOU READ THE VOTE? SHERSTAD-SCHALLER. YES.

MEMBER BYRNES? YES. MEMBER SALA? YES. MEMBER RILEY? YES.

VICE CHAIR PSULKOWSKI? YES.

CHAIR POZZETTA? YES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WONDERFUL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, EVERYBODY.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY, TIME TO SWITCH BACK. SO, MIA, ARE WE

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YEAH. YES. AND MS. PEARSON, IF YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS.

ACTUALLY, I. I TOLD MS. PEARSON THAT I WOULD HANDLE THIS ONE. THE NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDERED CONSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL MEETING DATE. WE HAVE A COUPLE. WE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA IN THE.

FOR ONE REASON, THE APPLICANT FOR THE WATERFRONT PROJECT WAS REQUESTING A SPECIAL MEETING, BUT ONLY IF HE WAS GOING TO ATTEND TONIGHT AND HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS. AND THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED.

BUT ALSO AS WE DISCUSSED AT YOUR LAST MEETING, THE.

THERE ARE SOME CHANGES DUE TO THE ELECTION WHICH ACTUALLY IS BOA. SORRY, I HAVE THE WRONG MEETING, THE WRONG BOARD. BUT AT THE NEXT MEETING WE HAVE A REALLY LARGE AGENDA. WE DO NOT HAVE THE CHAIR HERE, SO THERE COULD BE A REASON TO ACTUALLY HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THE WATERFRONT AS WELL, SO THAT IT'S. IT'S ON A SEPARATE AGENDA. AND SO YOU CAN CONSIDER EITHER MOVING YOUR DATE OR. OR HAVING YOUR REGULAR MEETING, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHAT I THINK STAFF IS MOVING FOR, IS HAVING THE REGULAR MEETING DATE FOR ALL THE REGULAR CASES AND SETTING A SPECIAL MEETING TO HANDLE THE WATERFRONT MATTER. AND IF I'M SPEAKING OUT OF LINE, TELL ME THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

I THINK IT'S THE OPINION OF STAFF THAT SUCH A BIG DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AND CONSIDERING THE ITEMS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO REVISE CONSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL MEETING DATE FOR THAT PROJECT WOULD BE BEST FOR THE BOARD AND FOR STAFF.

AND THE APPLICANT. AND THE APPLICANT AND FOR THE VICE CHAIR. CAN I ASK A PROCEDURAL QUESTION? SO WHEN IT'S A SPECIAL MEETING, IS IT STILL A QUASI JUDICIAL OR IS IT JUST BASICALLY LIKE A BRAINSTORMING MEETING OR WILL WE BE VOTING ON SOMETHING? IT WOULD BE LIKE A MINI VERSION OF THIS MEETING. RIGHT. AND DO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE. RIGHT FOR 1K CASE WHEN YOU HAVE COMPLEX AND LARGE PROJECTS. AND IT WOULD BE PROPERLY NOTICED AND IT WOULD BE A. IT WOULD JUST BE A SPECIAL MEETING AND IT WOULD BE QUASI JUDICIAL. WE WOULD FOLLOW ALL THE CRITERIA OF A MEETING SO PUBLIC CAN COME THE WHOLE. AND THE REASON WHY WE HANDLE. HAD TO HANDLE IT IN THIS MATTER IS BECAUSE WE DID CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN AND THAT WAS DONE AT AN OPEN MEETING. AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD ON HERE THAT WE WERE CONSIDERING A SPECIAL MEETING. AND THEN IT WILL BE NOTICED AGAIN. AND YES, THE PUBLIC WILL COME AND EVERYTHING WILL FOLLOW THE SAME FORMAT. THIS IS THE WATERFRONT, THE PROJECT WE REVIEWED LAST TIME, THAT DEVELOPMENT.

CORRECT. AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO COME BACK ON THE 20TH OF AUGUST, BUT THAT IS A VERY HEAVY AGENDA RIGHT NOW. AND SO THE THOUGHT ORIGINALLY BY THE APPLICANT WAS. I KNOW WE HEARD THAT EVENING THAT THAT WAS TOO LONG TO WAIT AND SO THERE WAS SOME.

WE WANTED TO GIVE HIM CONSIDERATION IF HE COULD GET HIS DOCUMENTS IN BY TODAY, THAT, THAT WE WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER A SOONER MEETING.

THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED.

BUT THIS CONCEPT OF HAVING A SEPARATE MEETING FOR IT IS STILL A VIABLE AND GOOD CONCEPT. SO. SO WAS THAT PLANNED MEETING CONCEPTUAL OR FINAL? CONCEPTUAL. OKAY, SO WE WOULD JUST. CONCEPTUAL.

CONCEPTUAL. CORRECT. CORRECT.

SO LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.

IF ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING ON THIS BOARD COME IN FOR A SPECIAL MEETING, ARE WE GOING TO SEE NEW PLANS OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO SEE WHAT WE SAW LAST MEETING? WELL, WE DON'T KNOW. AND, BUT IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THE APPLICATION, UNTIL THE DOCUMENTS COME IN.

WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. AND IF IT WAS JUST THE SAME, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY HAVE A BASIS FOR DENYING. RIGHT. YOU'D HAVE A SHORT SPECIAL MEETING.

CORRECT. DOES MIA HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO. NOT IF IT'S SUBMITTED AND IT'S NOT CHANGED.

DOES IT, DOES IT EVEN COME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD? IT WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA. SO WE WOULD ALL GET A PACKET.

BUT IT WOULD HAVE HAD TO GONE TO GO THROUGH SOME REVIEW. I DON'T THINK THAT I CAN RESTRICT

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RIGHT. IT MIGHT JUST CHANGE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT MEETING AND THE APPLICANT, I MEAN, I THINK AT THAT POINT THE APPLICANT WILL, WILL BE ADVISED THAT THEY'RE LIKELY TO BE, THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION COULD CHANGE AND THEN THEY'LL DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO COME AND GET THEIR DENIAL.

BUT AT LEAST IT ALLOWS IT TO MOVE ALONG SO WE COULD. I AGREE WITH THIS. SADLY, THERE'S NOT A DATE SET FOR THAT SPECIAL MEETING.

WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT. NO, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT.

SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ENOUGH TIME FOR STAFF TO REVIEW. YEAH, I DO. NOW I DID NOT DISCUSS WITH MS. SADLER OR MS. PEARSON A DATE. I KNOW THAT THE CHAIR WILL BE GONE ON THE 20TH AND THE CHAIR DOES NOT RETURN UNTIL THE 28TH. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE THINKING EARLIER LIKE THE 13TH CHAIR LEAVES ON THE 11TH. BOY, THAT CHAIR. I LEAVE THE 27TH AND COME BACK THE 1ST OF JULY. OH, AUGUST.

OKAY. FIRST OF SEPTEMBER. SO WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF. IF WE WANT THE CHAIR HERE, THAT LIMITS OUR OPTIONS. YOU LEAVE THE 11TH SO THAT THE 6, I MEAN IT'S A, IT'S A LONG 1, 02, 3, 4, IT'S A 5 THURSDAY MONTH IN JULY. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SOME GRACE HERE. AND SO I MEAN IF WE HAD TO GO TO THE 6TH OR EVEN THE 10TH, BUT NOW. YEAH. YOU WANT TO COME UP AND WEIGH IN? WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO, TO CLARIFY YOU CONTINUING IT TO THE 20TH. CORRECT. SO HE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT HE WAS TOLD.

THAT'S WHAT HE HAS A RIGHT TO DO. THE QUESTION WAS, IS THAT IF WE COULD, IF HE COULD GET THE MATERIAL IN EARLIER AND HE WAS GOING TO MAKE CHANGES, THEN WE WOULD TRY TO WORK WITH HIM TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE LONGER FOR HIM INSTEAD OF THE 20TH, BUT HE STILL COULD COME TO THE 20TH WITH NO CHANGE OF PLANS AND THEN HE WOULD SUBMIT THEM HIM TWO WEEKS AHEAD AND THEN WE WANT TO GIVE HIM THE SAME DEADLINE AS WE'VE GAVE HIM FOR THIS MEETING. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE CHANGES IN BY THIS DATE OR THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WRITE. THIS IS WHAT OUR CHOICES ARE. AND SO AT THIS POINT HE HAS NOT MADE ANY RESUBMITTAL AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S GOING TO BRING BACK IN FOR THE 20TH MEETING. SO YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO DATE RIGHT NOW. YOU JUST WANT TO WAIT TILL HE SUBMITS SOMETHING, RIGHT? OKAY. OKAY. AND WE'LL ASK HIM WHY HE DIDN'T COME TONIGHT. WE'LL. WELL, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE LAST CORRESPONDENCE IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU DID NOT COME TO THE MEETING. ARE YOU STILL PLANNING TO GO TO THE 20TH? IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO COME TO THE 20TH, THIS IS WHEN WE NEED THAT WE SUBMITTAL BY.

THEY HAVE AN ENTIRE BOARD HERE THAT'S WILLING TO SHOW UP FOR A SPECIAL MEETING. OH, WE WOULD HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING.

YES. BUT THAT WOULD BE THE FIFTH, SO I GUESS IT'S PROBABLY AFTER THE 20TH. WELL, WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO DO IT VIA EMAIL AND NOT TONIGHT. I WAS THINKING WE MIGHT JUST SET A DATE TONIGHT THAT WE COULD TELL HIM, BUT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE APPLICANT CAN MAKE THAT DATE, SO. IT'S A GOOD POINT. SO. SO THE OTHER, THE OTHER POINT IS FROM NOW UNTIL MID SEPTEMBER, THIS, THIS ROOM IS. HAS A LOT OF BOOKINGS, SO WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO COORDINATE. YEAH, YEAH. WE HAVE CITIZENS ACADEMY. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO. SO AT THIS POINT, IT'S NOT ABOUT GETTING HIM IN EARLIER.

IT'S ABOUT THAT PERHAPS A SPECIAL MEETING WOULD BE A GOOD ALTERNATIVE FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED.

BUT THE 20TH IS STILL AN OPTION FOR HIM. AND THEN WE'LL JUST WAIT FOR THE APPLICANT TO. IF WE WANT A SPECIAL MEETING INSTEAD OF DOING IT THIS EVENING WHEN WE HAVE EVERYBODY HERE, WE'LL DO IT VIA EMAIL ONCE WE CHECK CALENDARS AND THEN WE'LL GET FEEDBACK.

BUT NOW, ONE GOOD THING THAT CAME OUT OF THIS IS WE ARE HEARING SOME.

I'M HERE, I'M NOT. SO WE KNOW NOW THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, WE DID GET SOME GOOD FEEDBACK AS YOU. TO WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING AND WILLINGNESS TO COME IN ON A NIGHT YOU WOULDN'T TYPICALLY COME IN AND WILLINGNESS TO.

TO COME. SO THANK YOU. YES.

WHAT IS HIS LAST DAY? IF THEY WENT. CAME IN FOR THE 20TH, WHAT'S THE LAST DAY THEY COULD TURN IN? AUGUST 6TH. OH, OKAY.

TWO WEEKS. YES. TWO WEEKS AHEAD OF THE MEETING. SO TWO. WE'RE ON THE 6TH, AUGUST 16TH, RIGHT. OH, YEAH. HE HAS ONE, TWO, THREE MORE WEEKS TO SUBMIT SOMETHING, CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. AND WE DID. YEAH.

IT'S BEEN MADE VERY CLEAR. AND YOU'RE SAYING THE 20TH IS FULL ARRAY. YES. SO WE DID GIVE HIM THAT OPTION. UNLESS HE WANTS.

IT NEEDS TO BE THE LAST ITEM.

IT'LL BE THE FIRST ITEM.

BECAUSE IT'S ONLY OLD BUSINESS.

IT'S OLD BUSINESS. OKAY. WE'VE GOT OUR. I TRUST. YEAH, WE'LL BE READY, BUT THE CHAIR CAN BUMP IT OLD BUSINESS TO AFTER NEW BUSINESS. WELL, YOU CAN REORGANIZE YOUR AGENDA AT THE BEGINNING. YOU CAN REORGANIZE AT THE REQUEST

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YEAH, I'VE BEEN IN COMMISSION MEETINGS WHERE SOMETIMES.

YEAH. THEY WILL LOOK AT THEM AND SAY, HEY, BASED ON THE CROWD HERE, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS ITEMS. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY.

BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT, WE'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE APPLICANT CAN DO, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.

IS ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS OLD TOWN GUIDELINES? YES. I WONDER IF WE JUST. I JUST. BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION, I WILL JUST PUT IT ON EVERY AGENDA AND IF WE HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. I WONDER IF THAT SHOULD BE THE SPECIAL MEETING.

THAT WAY WE GIVE THAT APPLICANT THEIR RIGHT FOR THE 20S. YEAH.

I WOULD THINK IF WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA OF. ONE OF THEM. IS THE OLD TIME GUIDELINES. YES. ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS. RIGHT.

THAT IS A MEETING OF. SPEAKING OF ATTENDANCE, IS EVERYONE GOING TO BE HERE OTHER THAN. I'M HERE THE 20TH? OKAY. BECAUSE I HAVE. I HAVE A CASE I'LL BE RECUSING MYSELF FOR ON THAT ONE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING. SO NOW WE'RE DOWN TO ONE, TWO. TAMMY SHOULD BE THERE FOR THREE. YEAH. FOUR PEOPLE MAY OR MAY NOT. TAMMY IS FIVE. YOU WON'T BE HERE. ONLY 22. UNLESS VERONICA'S NOT HERE.

YOU MIGHT NOT. I MEAN. I SEE.

YEAH, I SEE. QUORUM IS FOUR.

SO WE JUST MAKE IT OKAY. JUST CHECKING NUMBER AND THEN THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE WE WOULD DISCLOSE TO THE BOARD BECAUSE THEN THAT CHANGES, LIKE HOW MANY VOTES THEY NEED.

YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE AS MANY OF YOU TO SAY. NO. SO, YOU KNOW, IF.

IF WE FIND ONCE. I KNOW YOU GUYS USUALLY RESPOND TO WHO CAN MAKE IT AND WHO CAN'T, AND WE FIND WE'RE GETTING DOWN IN NUMBERS THAT MIGHT MAKE THE APPLICANT WANT TO WAIT AS WELL. YEP. YEAH, THAT'S MORE. I MEAN, JUST SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE, A MORE VOLATILE BOARD LIKE THE VOA OR PAV MAY HAVE DIFFERING VOTES, BUT THIS BOARD TENDS TO HAVE CONSENSUS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD. YEAH, IT'S AN APPLICANT, NOT. NOT US.

ANYWAY, WE WOULD. WE WOULD NOT DO IT IF. JUST SEE IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE FULL BOARDS. SO WE'LL WAIT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

YES. AND ONE MORE THING FOR BOARD BUSINESS MEMBER COSEC REACHED OUT TO ME ABOUT PERHAPS A WORKSHOP FOR THIS BOARD, AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT TIMINGS OF THAT, BUT SINCE WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW MEMBERS KIND OF A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS WHERE TO FIND APPLICATION MATERIALS, WHERE TO LOOK IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR CERTAIN ASPECTS, WHERE TO FIND OUR DOWNTOWN AND OLD TOWN AND CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES, KIND OF HOW TO NAVIGATE THE INTERFACES OF REVIEWING PROJECTS IN THIS MEETING. SO IF THE BOARD HAD INTEREST IN THAT, WE COULD ALSO TRY TO FIND A TIME JUST TO DISCUSS KIND OF LOGISTICS AND STRATEGY FOR REVIEWING PROJECTS. AND I ALSO THINK WHEN WE APPROVE THE DOWNTOWN GUIDELINES, WE. WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING TO LOOK AT CERTAIN CHAPTERS.

BECAUSE I REMEMBER AT THE COMMISSION MEETING, SOMEONE ASKED THAT ONE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, AND THE ANSWER WAS, OH, IN THE WINTER OR IN THE FALL, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT CERTAIN SECTIONS AND UPDATE THEM. SO THAT PROBABLY LIKE NOVEMBER.

DECEMBER. NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.

NO, IT'S ALMOST AUGUST. SO WHAT WE HEARD, THOUGH, DO WE KNOW THE COMMISSION OF IT, THE. THIS CHAMBER'S AVAILABILITY? DO WE. ARE YOU THINKING LIKE A SEPTEMBER DATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I WAS GONNA SEE IF THE BOARD WAS INTERESTED IN THAT, AND THEN WE COULD FIGURE OUT DATES OVER EMAIL. OH, OKAY, GOTCHA. I CAN DO A LITTLE POLL THAT. WHEN ARE YOU AVAILABLE? OKAY. WHEN COULD YOU BE AVAILABLE? KIND OF THING THAT THEY CAN RESPOND TO ON THEIR OWN TIME. OKAY, GREAT. I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO LEARN SOMETHING NEW. SO I'D BE. AND IT WOULD BE MORE SHARING WITHIN THE GROUP AND I COULD OFFER KIND OF MY ADVICE ON HOW I REVIEW THINGS, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE KIND OF EXPERIENCED BOARD MEMBERS TEACHING NEWER BOARD MEMBERS HOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT THINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT. DID ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY WANTED TO DISCUSS DURING THIS BOARD BUSINESS? I'M GOING TO TALK TO STAFF ABOUT AN HTC GRANT AND JUST SEE. I THINK THERE WAS ONE AT A POINT IN TIME. WHY IT WENT AWAY, HOW THAT WAS FUNDED, ALL THAT. IT'S THE PRESERVATION REHABILITATION ASSISTANCE GRANT PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED THROUGH THE BUDGETING PROCESS.

AND THERE HAS BEEN KIND OF A MEMO AND A SUMMARY OF HOW OUR DEPARTMENT WOULD LIKE TO REVITALIZE THAT PROGRAM. SO THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED AS PART OF THE BUDGET FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TRUST FUND.

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BUT VERY KIND OF PRELIMINARY HOPES AND DREAMS. FANTASTIC. I DID WANT TO JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT WAS IT TWO MONTHS AGO WHEN WE GOT OUR DOWNTOWN GUIDELINES APPROVED? THAT WAS THE FIRST READING. THE SECOND READING WILL BE THIS UPCOMING TUESDAY, JULY 21ST. MCKENNA AND I ARE GOING TO THE PRESERVATION ON MAIN STREET CONFERENCE. SO WE WON'T BE IN ATTENDANCE, BUT I'VE HEARD FROM THE POWERS THAT BE THAT THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY ISSUES IN THE SECOND READING. SO HOPEFULLY BY THE 21ST IT WILL BE OFFICIALLY ADOPTED. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE KIND OF AN OUTREACH PROGRAM THAT'LL BE KIND OF HOSTED HERE IN THE CHAMBERS AND WE'LL GO THROUGH WITH RESIDENTS, PROPERTY OWNERS, BUSINESS OWNERS, PROFESSIONALS IN THE DOWNTOWN. THIS IS YOUR NEW DOCUMENT. THIS IS WHERE YOU FIND THINGS. AND THE BOARD WOULD BE WELCOME TO ATTEND THAT TOO. SO WE'RE HOPING ON THE 21ST THEY'LL BE FINALLY APPROVED AND ADOPTED AND WE'LL HAVE OUR NEW 11 BY 17 BEAUTIFUL DOCUMENT. AND THEN IN THE WINTER WE'LL BE REVISITING THAT KIND OF INCREMENTALLY SO WE'RE NOT OVERWHELMED BY LOOKING AT A GINORMOUS TEXT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. WE CAN KIND OF REFINE CHAPTER BY CHAPTER, ISSUE BY ISSUE, TAKE SOME TIME WITH IT. DO SOMEONE FROM HERE NEED TO BE AT THE 21ST READING? I MEAN, MARGARET. PLANNING MANAGER MARGARET PEARSON WILL BE THERE TO DEFEND THE CASE IF NEEDED.

I'M GOOD. THEY MADE FOUR OR FIVE CHANGES. THEY MADE FOUR OR FIVE RECOMMENDED CHANGES THAT MS. SADLER MADE THAT YOU'LL SEE WHEN THE AGENDA IS POSTED. SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE CHANGES, THEY'RE UNDERLINED. AND THEN BECAUSE THEY HAD SO MUCH INPUT AT FIRST READING, WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT SECOND READING WHEN THE PUBLIC CAN SPEAK TO IT AS WELL. SO GENERALLY WITH THE INPUT FROM THE FIRST READING, YOU DON'T HAVE AS MUCH FROM THE COMMISSION ON SECOND READING. YEAH, I FEEL LIKE IT WAS VERY WELL RECEIVED.

RECEIVED. I JUST WANTED TO SAY EXTEND THANK YOU TO THE TO STAFF BECAUSE I REALLY FELT LIKE YOU GUYS TOOK IT ON AND HELPED PULL THIS THING ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. CUZ IT HAD JUST BEEN WALLOWING THERE FOR A WHILE WITH NO ACTION OR ANYTHING. SO THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS JUST KIND OF JUMPED ON IT AND DRAGGED IT ACROSS WAS COMMENDABLE TO SAY THE LEAST. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO THIS BOARD. I KNOW A LOT OF TIME WENT IN, PERSONAL TIME WENT INTO REVIEWING THAT DOCUMENT AND IT WAS ON MY DESK SINCE MY VERY FIRST DAY. SO I'M GLAD IT'LL BE OFF MY DESK IN A WAY AND THEN ON MY DESK IN ANOTHER WAY. I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT IT'S IN REGARDS TO THE EMAIL. EMAIL THAT, THAT WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH. IN REGARDS TO THAT PROPERTY ON 10TH STREET. IS IT OKAY TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT SOME.

IS IT AN APPLICATION THAT'S COMING BEFORE YOU LATER. SO IT'S NOT A CURRENT PENDING APPLICATION. IT'S NOT A CURRENT PENDING APPLICATION THAT I'M AWARE OF. YEAH. SO I'M JUST.

SO THE. THE SITUATION IS THAT THERE'S A I BELIEVE A HISTORIC KNEE WALL THAT WAS DEMOLISHED ON A PROPERTY ON 10TH STREET.

AND SO JUST WONDERING WHAT.

AND I KNOW WE, YOU KNOW I BROUGHT IT BROUGHT TO ME AS ATTENTION. SO JUST WONDERING WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING. I KNOW YOU WERE REACHING OUT TO THE OWNER. SO JUST WONDERING WHAT HAPPENED.

IT WILL. THE PLAN IS I SPOKE WITH THE HOMEOWNER AND THEIR AGENT THAT IT'LL COME BEFORE THIS BOARD AS AN AFTER THE FACT APPLICATION.

HOW DO WE. SO THE. SO. SO IT WILL BE AN APPLICATION? YES.

OKAY. SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST WAIT UNTIL THEY'RE NOTICED AND THEY CAN BE USED YEAR. AND CAN I ASK A CONCEPTUAL QUESTION? NOT ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY.

SURE. THANK YOU. WHEN RUN CAN I DO WHAT YOU AND DIRECTLY WHAT YOU'VE SAID I CAN'T DIRECTLY DO? SURE. SO. SO WHEN WHAT.

WHAT ARE THE REPERCUSSIONS TO A PROPERTY OWNER AND NOT THAT I WANT THEM TO BE REPERCUSSIONS WHEN SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING WITHOUT A BUILDING PERMIT AND THEY DESTROY PART OF OUR HISTORY. I MEAN MAYBE IT'S JUST. JUST A KNEE WALL, MAYBE IT'S NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT.

BUT IT WAS A HISTORIC WALL ON A PROPERTY AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE JUST LOST ANOTHER PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

YEAH, IT IS UNFORTUNATE AND I DO TRY TO DO MY VERY BEST TO REACH OUT TO OWNERS IN THE

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WE ARE EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM PUTS A LOT OF EFFORT INTO PRESERVING OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. SO IT'S NEVER SOMETHING THAT WE LIKE TO SEE. AT THIS POINT OUR PROCESS HAS BEEN TO BRING THAT ACTION TO THE.

TO THE BOARD FOR AFTER THE FACT APPROVAL WHICH INCLUDES A FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLAR FEE TO BE HEARD BY THE BOARD. I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT BEEN PART OF A CASE IN FRONT OF THE HCC WHERE A FEATURE WAS REQUIRED TO BE REBUILT. THE AFTER THE FACT CASES I'VE BROUGHT HAVE GAINED APPROVAL. SO NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD PLAY OUT. LAST MEETING WITH THE HOUSE BY THE PORCH. YEAH, SO. SO THERE WAS THE $1,500 PLUS.

ISN'T THERE AN EXPONENTIAL NUMBER TO THE VALUE OF THE PROJECT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SO BUILDING PERMITS ARE CALCULATED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THEIR FEE SCHEDULE. I KNOW THAT AFTER THE FACT BUILDING PERMITS COST FOUR TIMES THE AMOUNT OF BUILDING PERMITS PULLED BEFOREHAND. SO THERE. THAT WOULD BE THE DETERRENT. YEAH, YEAH. TWO PENALTIES AND THE POTENTIAL OF A COSTLY RECONSTRUCTION.

YEAH. JUST UNFORTUNATE. NONE OF THAT AFTER FACT MONEY COMES TO THE HDC GRANT SO THAT WE CAN PUT THAT BACK INTO OUR COMMUNITY. RIGHT.

YEAH. IF I HAD A WAND. YEAH.

THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TRUST FUND IS PARTIALLY FUELED BY HTC APPLICATIONS. SO THERE IS MONEY IN THAT.

APPLICATIONS. OKAY. I SPEND 4TH OF JULY WEEKEND. SO WE HAD ELECTRICAL LIGHTNING, WHATEVER THAT MASSIVE STORM ON SUNDAY BLUE. SO YOU'VE GOT.

YOU'VE GOT THE UTILITY PANEL.

AND THEN MY PANEL RIGHT AFTER THAT WITH THE GENERATOR SWITCH, BLEW IT WITHOUT POWER. I CALLED EMERGENCY, BUT WE GOT THE CITY PERMIT AFTER THE FACT OF THEM FIXING THE. THE PANEL.

SO I HAD TO PAY SOMETHING. AND THEY WERE NICE ABOUT IT.

THEY'RE LIKE, THERE'S AN EMERGENCY. YOU. YOU HAD TO GET POWER BACK TO YOUR HOUSE.

BUT IT WAS STILL AFTER THE FACT PERMIT. AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT IT COULD BE EMERGENCY ACTION FOR AGENCY. LITERALLY. WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT.

BECAUSE THEY HAD

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DID ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE STAFF CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL? I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE POINTER COA NOT TO.

NOT TO PUT HIM IN THE SPOTLIGHT. SO THAT HAPPENED DURING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FINAL INSPECTION FOR THE PAVILION PROPERTY.

THERE WERE FOUR ITEMS, I THINK THAT WERE CHANGED THAT DID NOT MATCH THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED THAT I WITNESSED UPON INSPIRATION INSPECTION. AND THEN EACH OF THOSE ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN A STAFF APPROVAL AND ACCEPTABLE WITH THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES INCLUDED.

LIKE A FENCE STYLE, THE ABSENCE OF A SIGN, THE CHANGE OF A DOOR. AND THEN ONE DRIVEWAY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PAVERS AND IT'S CONCRETE.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE TREE REMOVAL FEE.

RIGHT. BECAUSE IF TREES WERE REMOVED, DO WE REQUIRE THEM TO THEN REPLANT PLANT TREES AFTER REMOVING TREES? IT DEPENDS ON THE TREE. OKAY. IF A TREE IS DAMAGED, DISEASE, DYING, OR A HAZARD, IT CAN BE REMOVED THROUGH A FREE TREE PERMIT. IF TREES ARE REMOVED WITHOUT A PERMIT, THERE'S A CERTAIN FEE FOR THAT AS WELL. DO YOU REMEMBER WHICH SPECIFIC PERMIT HAD THAT ON? THERE WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT WE HAVE. IT'S ON THE FEES. IT SAYS TREE REMOVAL FEE PER TREE WAS $2,700. SO I WAS JUST ASKING IF THAT MEANS THAT THEY WERE ASKING THAT IT HAPPENED AFTER THE FACT THAT THEY REMOVED THE TREES OR THEY HAD PERMITS TO REMOVE THE TREES OR BASED ON THE MAGNITUDE OF THAT FEE, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AFTER THE FACT, BUT I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE.

THOSE PERMITS WERE ISSUED BEFORE IN MY TIME COMPLEXITY.

AND HEALTHY TREES AT THAT FEE? THEY WERE HEALTHY TREES. I CAN ONLY GUESS. I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THE TREE SITUATION ON THAT PROPERTY. I CAN GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION OF SOMEONE WHO CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I MOVED DISEASE TREES AND THE FEE IS PROBABLY A LOT LOWER THAN THAT.

WELL, AND I THINK AS MS. SADLER REFERRED TO, THERE'S. I CALL IT THE TREE BILL OF RIGHTS. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IT'S ITS REAL NAME, BUT IF YOU PROVE THAT IT IS DYING,

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ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? WELL, I THINK WE GOT A NICE SEVEN O' CLOCK TO CALL THE GERMAN AND THE MEETING AT SEVEN. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. DO YOU DO THE GAVEL? HE GAVELED A LITTLE BIT. I CAN'T GO TO TACO BELL IN.

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