Jul 08, 2026 Planning Advisory Board

[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]

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JULY 8TH, 2026. WE'RE IN CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS, AND WHO'S GOING TO CALL THE ROLL TONIGHT? MEMBER BENNETT? HERE. MEMBER STEVENSON? HERE. MEMBER GINGER? HERE. VICE CHAIR FOREHAND? HERE. AND CHAIR DOSTER? HERE. WHERE'S VICTORIA? HUH? WHERE'S VICTORIA? SHE HAD ANOTHER ENGAGEMENT. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY.

YOU WANT TO LEAD THE PLEDGE? YES, I DO. I WAS JUST ASKING PETE. SO, PETE, WILL YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? YES, I WILL. YOU LOOK LOST. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT, SO NEXT IS THE APPROVAL

[3.1 Approval of Minutes for the Regular Meeting of April 8, 2026]

YES. ALL RIGHT, SO WITH THAT, PETE'S GOING TO GIVE THAT CHANGE. YEP.

LATER. YEP. SO, I THINK THAT TAKES US DOWN TO 6 ALREADY.

YEAH, I THINK WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES THOUGH.

OH, I BEG YOUR PARDON. I GOT IT. IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT. OKAY, IT'S UNDER 6.1. OKAY. IT'S THE, ACTUALLY THE THIRD PARAGRAPH STARTS, MS. PRINCE, GO TO THE SECOND ROW AND SAYS ALL BOARD MEMBERS ALL APPROVED. JUST TAKE OUT THE SECOND ALL. THAT'S OKAY, I CAN DO THAT. ALL RIGHT, OTHERWISE FROM MY STANDPOINT, EXCELLENT MINUTES, SO CONGRATS. THEY ARE VERY GOOD MINUTES. YEAH. OKAY, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION APPROVED WITH THE CHANGE. SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT. YES. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THEY'RE APPROVED. OKAY,

[6.1 2050 Visioning Plan Survey and Discussion]

BUT THE ONLY THERE'S TWO THINGS ON THE AGENDA THIS MONTH, AND ONE IS BOARD BUSINESS. WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM NORTHEAST REGIONAL COUNCIL WHO ARE OUR PARTNERS, AS YOU KNOW, IN THIS EER LETTER PROCESS AND ALSO OUR VISIONING, 2050 VISIONING PLAN IN ORDER TO FINALIZE OUR COMP PLAN UPDATES BY NEXT SEPTEMBER. AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JENNY. HI, THANK YOU. I AM JENNY BRYLA FROM THE REGIONAL COUNCIL UP IN, OR DOWN IN JACKSONVILLE. AND THIS IS A POWERPOINT THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT YOU ALL TO WORK, IF YOU DON'T MIND. I KNOW ONE OF YOU HAVE ALREADY TAKEN THE SURVEY. BUT THIS IS A SURVEY THAT THE RESULTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO EVALUATE AND RANK SO THAT WE CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS ON THE CHANGES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO, THIS IS FROM PAST, AND THE OPENING REMARKS ARE USUALLY FROM MARGARET AND MIA AND MCKENNA. YES, BUT YOU ALL KNOW THEM, SO WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.

AND THIS IS THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL COUNCIL, WHICH I SAID WE COVER 7 COUNTIES TO STRENGTHEN AND SUPPORT THE REGION. AND MY BOSS, MR. ERIC ANDERSON, HE'S ALSO A PLANNER.

MYSELF, BEN BENNETT, WHO IS HERE TODAY, AND ALKI, WHO YOU'VE SEEN AT OTHER EVENTS WITH ME. SO, THE PURPOSE, PURPOSE OF THE PROJECT IS TO, AS MARGARET SAID, EVALUATE OR TO CONSTRUCT THE EVALUATION REPORT. AND SO THAT'S A

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SO, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO TAKE IT IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY. SIR, I THINK YOU TOOK THE SURVEY PREVIOUSLY.

YES, SIR. DO YOU WANT A PAPER COPY OR ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE IT ON THE LAPTOP? OKAY. YOU HAVE ALREADY TAKEN IT. I THINK I ALREADY TOOK IT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION AND DIALOGUE DURING THIS SURVEY IN ORDER TO CAPTURE THE REAL ESSENCE OF YOUR COMMENTS. YES, I'LL WALK OVER HERE. CAN YOU DO IT? I CAN FROM RIGHT OVER HERE, I THINK, IF NOTHING ELSE. IF YOU NEED SOME TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, LET ME KNOW. THIS IS THE ROUGHEST PART OF THE SURVEY, I PROMISE. IT TAKES A PICTURE, BUT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT ACTIVATING IT. IT DOESN'T ACTIVATE? NO, MY ASSISTANT LET ME JUST TAKE A FEW. OKAY.

DIDN'T WORK. DON'T JUMP AHEAD THOUGH. YOU KNOW I WOULDN'T DO THAT. SO, THIS KIND OF TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO RECORD IT LIVE, SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT OTHERS IN THE ROOM HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT. SO, WE'LL START WITH SOMETHING EASY. WHAT'S YOUR AGE? NO LYING. I WAS BORN ON THE 5TH OF JALÚN. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO KNOW WHO DAPHNE IS. YOU REALLY WANT US TO FILL THIS OUT ON PAPER OR HERE? THIS IS JUST TO GET YOU FAMILIAR WITH HOW THIS SURVEY WORKS.

AND WHAT'S YOUR EMPLOYMENT STATUS? ARE YOU FULL, PART, STUDENT, RETIRED, OR NOT EMPLOYED? ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO KNOW WHO DAPHNE IS. DAPHNE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO'S WORKING. NO, BARBARA, AREN'T YOU DOING IT OR NO? IT DIDN'T WORK FOR HER. NO, SO ARE YOU THE ONLY ONE DOING IT THIS WAY? YEAH, I THINK SO. YEAH, YOU WANT TO TRY IT AGAIN OR NO, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. TOO LATE. OR GIVE, GIVE SOMEBODY ELSE YOUR PHONE.

YEAH, WELL, YOU WANT US TO GO AHEAD AND START? OKAY.

IT DIDN'T WORK FOR ME EITHER.

WHAT BEST DESCRIBES YOUR CONNECTION TO FERNANDINA BEACH? AND SO, WE'VE WANTED TO FIND OUT, ARE YOU A FULL-TIME RESIDENT PART-TIME, AN AMELIA ISLAND RESIDENT AND NOT FERNANDINA BEACH, NASSAU COUNTY, OR YOU WORK IN FERNANDINA. SO, THIS IS A LOT OF THE MILL. A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME TO ONE OF OUR SESSIONS TO SAY THAT THEY WORK HERE, BUT THEY DON'T LIVE HERE. I CAME FOR A JOB. AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED HERE? DO WE NEED ANOTHER SURVEY? NO, I JUST HANDED HER MY I HAD TWO OF THEM. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU.

SHARING. SHARING IS CARING.

HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED OR WORKED HERE? AND IF YOU WANT TO SAY YOUR ANSWER OUT LOUD, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CAPTURE IT FOR THE AUDIO AS WELL. THAT'S UP TO YOU. WELL, THIS BOARD WOULD SKEW SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE A CITY RESIDENT TO BE ON THE BOARD, RIGHT? THAT'S TRUE. WELL, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE I LIVE.

YOU'RE JUMPING AHEAD. THIS ISN'T STARTING OFF WELL. I'M JUST PARAPHRASING. SO, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE RENTED THEIR HOME AND THEY DON'T LIVE ON THE ISLAND. SO THIS IS MAYBE A HARD ONE. WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD DO YOU LIVE IN? AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO CAPTURE WHERE PEOPLE WERE PROVIDING COMMENTS FROM AND WHAT THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS' MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENT WAS

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SPANISH PLOT. SPANISH, THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S LABELED AS 1 ON THE MAP. I GOTCHA. SO, DO YOU FEEL THAT THIS MAP REFLECTS THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN FERNANDINA BEACH? GOOD. SO, THE REASON THAT WE TRY AND CAPTURE THE DEMOGRAPHIC IS TO KIND OF SEE WHAT PEOPLE'S STAGE OF LIFE IS AND WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE. IF YOU DON'T LIVE HERE AND YOU JUST WORK HERE, YOUR PRIORITIES ARE DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU HAVE A HOME HERE AND WORK HERE, OR IF YOU RETIRED HERE. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT THINGS, SO THAT'S WHY WE TRY AND CAPTURE THE DEMOGRAPHICS. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE DEMOGRAPHICS? I WILL SAY WE DID RECEIVE SOME VERY INTERESTING AND VERY VALUABLE INFORMATION FROM SOME OF THE EMPLOYEE PEOPLE WHO RUN BUSINESSES HERE, AND SO EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T LIVE HERE, YOU KNOW, THEY RUN MAJOR COMPANIES.

YEAH, THEY HAVE PRIORITIES.

AND THEY HAVE THERE'S THINGS THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO US TO LOOK AT AS WELL. WELL, THE ONE THING THAT COMES UP, PEOPLE JUST ON WHATEVER HAPPENS TO BE GOING ON, WHETHER IT BE A CITY COMMISSIONER, PAB, THEY ALL WHERE THEY LIVE KIND OF PROVIDES THEM WITH THEIR BASIS OF THEIR VIEW OF THE CITY. SO LET ME USE ME FOR INSTANCE. I DIDN'T WANT TO BE TOO FAR FROM THE BEACH. I DIDN'T WANT TO BE TOO FAR FROM DOWNTOWN.

SO, I SAID, OKAY, I PROBABLY WANT TO BE SOMEWHERE AROUND ATLANTIC AVENUE, UP IN THAT AREA. AND THE PEOPLE THERE, I MEAN, IN MOST, A LOT OF THE LOTS, THE OLDER LOTS ARE BIG ONES, WHICH WILL PROBABLY GET DEVELOPED. ARE THEY SINGLE LOTS? DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A WHOLE SQUARE? THERE'S LOTS THAT ARE 100 BY 200 FEET. FEET UP ON OFF OF STANLEY, IF YOU SAMARIA. SO, I MEAN, IT COULD VERY WELL GET DEVELOPED INTO SOMETHING SMALLER.

THERE'S ONE ISSUE OR ONE TASK GOING ON RIGHT NOW TO SPLIT A 100 BY 200 INTO TWO 100-FOOT LOTS.

RIGHT. STILL LARGE. I MEAN, IT STILL FITS THE GENERAL FEEL.

BUT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT THEY DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT SENSE OF THEIR COMMUNITY.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF THERE'S A LOT OF TREES, IT'S THEIR THEY DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO SERVE, THEY DON'T WANT TO TOUCH A TREE, PERIOD. IT'S JUST, THEY'RE THERE, THEY'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. A LOT OF THOSE TREES ARE PROBABLY 100 YEARS OLD. SO, I THINK PEOPLE DO HAVE A SPIRIT OF PROTECTION OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH, YEAH. AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE RIGHT WAY OF SAYING IT, IT IS. AND SO, PART OF THIS EXERCISE THAT WILL TRANSLATE INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS THAT FROM NEIGHBORHOOD PERSPECTIVE, THAT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WOULDN'T WANT ABILITY TO DO TINY LOTS OR SPLIT LOTS, EVEN THOUGH IT MEETS THE OVERALL STANDARD OF THE LOT SIZE.

BUT THAT WILL ERODE THE SENSE OF PLACE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU'VE GOT A STREET THAT'S GOT, SAY, 2,000 SQUARE FOOT HOMES ON IT, PRETTY MUCH PLURALITY, RIGHT? YOU DON'T SUDDENLY WANT TO SEE A 25-FOOT BY 100-FOOT-DEEP ROW HOUSE.

ROW HOUSE, YEAH. OR TOWNHOME, YEAH. AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS EXERCISE IS EXTRAPOLATING FROM THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ON DEMOGRAPHICS? SO, WHAT'S THE

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AND I DON'T KNOW WHO KNOWS THIS, BUT ARE THE PERCENTAGES OF IS THE PERCENTAGE OF YOUNG PEOPLE GROWING AT ALL, OR IS THE ISLAND AND THE CITY GETTING STILL OLDER AND OLDER? SO, IT IS STILL GETTING OLDER AND OLDER. WE GET THAT DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION FROM BER, WHICH IS THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC RESILIENCY. WHAT IS IT FROM FLORIDA? SO, IT'S BER IS THE ACRONYM. YEAH. BUT, SO WE GET THAT DATA AND LOOK AT HOW THE TRENDS ARE FORMING ACROSS THE SO THE PERCENTAGE OF YOUNGER PEOPLE IS NOT INCREASING IN THE CITY? NO.

OKAY. IT'S MAINTAINING. YEAH.

BUT, BUT AGE IN TERMS OF THE OLD 70S, PROBABLY THEY'RE STAYING.

YEAH. BUT SO THAT'S THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUE FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE, THAT THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT WITH THE JOBS PROVIDED IN THE CITY TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES IN THE HOUSING STOCK THAT'S CURRENTLY HERE. SO WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT QUALITY OF THE COMMUNITY TO PRESERVE IN YOUR OPINION? BEACH, HISTORIC, THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, SMALL-TOWN CHARACTER, OR WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS? BOTH. ALL OF IT. WELL, YOU GOT TO PICK ONE. MOST, MOST IMPORTANT. IT'S A TOUGH QUESTION. DO Y'ALL AGREE? WALKABLE OR SMALL-TOWN CHARACTER? WELL, NO, IT DEPENDS ON THE AGE TOO. I'M JUST SAYING FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. I WOULD SAY EMPHATICALLY SMALL-TOWN CHARACTER. YEAH, I, I WOULD HAVE TO TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. I'D SAY WALKABLE.

OKAY, MR. BENNETT, YOU GOT ANY THOUGHTS? NO CHANGE. WELL, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO OCCUR. WELL, I MEAN, EVERYBODY WANTS THE TREES.

PICK ONE FROM THERE. WELL, I DON'T THINK WE'RE A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE TRYING TO BE, BUT WE STILL HAVE THE MEANS TO DO THAT SAFELY ANYMORE.

MINE IS WALKABLE. WELL, YEAH, BUT YOU'RE IN A IS IT IMPORTANT TO YOU FOR IT TO BE WALKABLE? WHERE'S MY LIST OF THINGS I GOT TO LOOK AT? COME ON, BARBARA, HELP ME OUT.

IT WON'T AFTER YOU TURN 100.

WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO ME? WALKABLE, SMALL TOWN, NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, OR PIZZA.

NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. OKAY, OPEN SPACES, SMALL TOWN CHARACTER.

OKAY, YOU CAN'T DO JUST ONE.

ALL OF THE ABOVE. YOU HAVE TO DO ONE BECAUSE THAT'LL SKEW THE WHOLE RESULT. WELL, WE'VE ALREADY YEAH, THIS BOARD'S ALREADY DONE THAT.

SO WHICH TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY THE MOST? MORE WALKING AND BIKE PATHS, BUS, TROLLEY, OR CIRCULATOR SERVICE, SAFER, MORE WALKABLE STREETS, IMPROVEMENTS TO MAJOR CORRIDORS SUCH AS SOUTH 8TH STREET. WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO START DEVELOPING THE LOCAL BUS AND TROLLEY ON-ISLAND PEOPLE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO FROM THE BEACH TO DOWNTOWN AND SO FORTH AND REDUCE THE DEPENDENCY ON THE INDIVIDUAL AUTOMOBILE DOING EVERYTHING.

AND PARKING. SPACES.

NON-VEHICLE CONNECTIVITY.

NON-VEHICLE CONNECTIVITY. AND THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THAT. I THINK THE CITY'S BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB OF IT. IT'S JUST TAKING FOREVER. IT'S ON MY LIST, THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS. SO, WHAT TYPE OF INVESTMENT SHOULD THE CITY FOCUS ON MOST? HOUSING, TRAFFIC, PURCHASING LAND FOR CONSERVATION, WALKABLE MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT, OR BURYING HARDENING THE CITY FOR STORM RESILIENCY? WELL, SOME OF THOSE THINGS I DON'T THINK THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO DO. I MEAN, WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC AND STUFF, WE'RE STUCK WITH THE ROADS WE HAVE. SO, BUT YOU CAN IMPLEMENT SOME CHANGES TO MANAGE TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC CONGESTION. YEAH, THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT MECHANISMS THAT ARE IN PLAY FROM A TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PERSPECTIVE. SO, THE CITY CAN ABSOLUTELY LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND SEE WHAT FUNDS AND PUT IT IN THE COMP PLAN, IN THE CIP.

BUT THEY GET TRAPPED WITH LIKE 8TH STREET. THAT'S NOT OUR STREET, RIGHT? SOME OF THOSE STREETS ARE NOT OUR STREET.

WHICH ONE? ATLANTIC. RIGHT.

IT'S A DANGEROUS ROAD. WELL, LEDGER IS NOT OUR STREET.

BUT YOU CAN STILL PETITION DOT TO MAKE SOME OF THESE CHANGES BECAUSE THEY HAVE CONTEXT-SENSITIVE PLANNING TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT IN A LOCAL COMMUNITY. AGREED, BUT IT SEEMS THAT THAT PROCESS

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AND IF I TAKE HIGH 200 AS AN EXAMPLE, THAT WAS ABOUT 5 YEARS TOO SLOW. RIGHT. AND SHE'S JUST SHE'S JUST ASKING WHICH OF THESE. WE'RE NOT YEAH, YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW. I'M BUT SOME OF THESE THINGS THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS, AND IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BURYING POWER LINES.

IT'S JUST THE COST IS JUST OVERWHELMING. BUT IS THAT WHAT THE CITY SHOULD FOCUS ON? THIS IS WHAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT.

OKAY, YOU'RE YEAH, YOU SO, JENNIFER, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, I AM GOING TO SAY TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION, BECAUSE THE BIGGEST ENEMY THE CITY HAS IS CARS, RIGHT? YEAH, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING, WE HAVE A FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENT FROM SWEDEN, AND I ASKED HER, WHAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT SURPRISED YOU WHEN YOU STARTED TO LIVE HERE? YOU KNOW WHAT SHE SAID? HOW MANY CARS THERE ARE.

WE ALL RIDE BIKES, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT CULTURE.

BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER I DON'T WANT TO SAY EVER AFFORDABILITY I REMEMBER A FORMER COMMISSIONER WHO WAS A FRIEND OF MINE SAID, BARBARA, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AFFORDABILITY ON THE ISLAND. WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING THEN YOU NEED TO LOOK AT. YEAH, I AGREE WITH IT. CHIP, WHICH OF THESE THEMES IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO FOCUS ON? LIVABILITY, PRESERVATION OF CHARACTER, MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY AND FUTURE-READY INFRASTRUCTURE. SO, THIS IS A VERY SIMILAR QUESTION TO THE PREVIOUS ONE. YEAH, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY.

YEAH, I'LL VOTE FOR THAT.

PRESERVATION OF CHARACTER.

PRESERVATION OF CHARACTER, I WOULD. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY THIS EXERCISE WILL LET YOU SEE THAT MANY DIFFERENT COMPONENTS GO INTO PRESERVATION OF CHARACTER, NOT ONLY THE TRANSPORTATION, THE HISTORIC STOCK THAT YOU HAVE, THE WALKABILITY, THE VEGETATION. I MEAN, IT ALL KIND OF IS A SOUP THAT WE AS PLANNERS TRY TO PUT TOGETHER TO MAKE THE RIGHT RECIPE TO CREATE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

BECAUSE I THINK WHAT GOES PARTICULARLY WITH WE'LL CALL IT THE CHARACTER CHANGE IS GOING TO OCCUR. IT HAS TO. IT'S JUST RIGHT. WE CAN'T GO BACKWARDS.

BUT IT'S HOW YOU'RE ABLE TO MANAGE CHANGE AND STILL KEEP A CHARACTER THAT IS RECOGNIZABLE? YES, SIR. SO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT A TOOL THAT WE AS PLANNERS HAVE FOR AFFORDABILITY IS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, WHICH, FROM MY PREVIOUS JURISDICTION, THE CITY OF ST. PETERSBURG, OLD NORTHEAST I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS EVER BEEN TO ST. PETE, BUT IT'S A VERY HISTORIC, WALKABLE AREA.

BUT WE'VE STARTED TO WE STARTED TO ALLOW FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS THAT WERE NO LARGER THAN 500 SQUARE FEET. SOME WERE 6, BUT THEY FIT TUCKED IN THE LOT BEHIND THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.

AND SO THAT ALLOWED A SECONDARY INCOME FOR THE OWNERS OF THE HOME AND AN AFFORDABLE PLACE TO RENT FOR THE YOUNGER PEOPLE THAT CAME INTO THE JURISDICTION.

WELL, YOU KNOW, SOME YEARS AGO, A MAN APPROACHED THE CITY YEARS AGO. HE WAS ONE OF THOSE WHAT DO THEY CALL SMALL HOUSE, TINY HOME CONTRACTOR. TINY HOMES, YEAH. AND DIDN'T COME OF ANYTHING. SO TINY HOUSES ALREADY ON THE BOOKS. YEAH, BUT THEY DIDN'T THEY NOBODY WOULD BITE ON IT. TINY HOMES ARE DIFFERENT. YOU HAVE ONE AT YOUR PROPERTIES, AND MOST OF THE PROPERTIES ALLOW TINY HOMES ARE DIFFERENT THAN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS BECAUSE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS DON'T GET A NEW ADDRESS.

THEY'RE ATTACHED TO YOUR PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.

OKAY. YOU CAN'T SPLIT THE LOT.

THEY HAVE TO LOOK LIKE THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.

AND SO, THERE'S A LOT OF MECHANISMS TO PUT IN PLACE. SO, IT'S NOT AN INVASIVE DENSITY DUMP, IF YOU WILL, ON THE COMMUNITY.

BUT THAT'S THE LARGEST PROBLEM.

HIGHER DENSITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A SMALL AREA. AND TRANSPORTATION, ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT GOES WITH THAT DENSITY. YEAH, THERE ARE SOME THINGS. ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT DO YOU LOVE ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? BUILDING. I DIDN'T HEAR HER.

WHAT DO YOU LOVE ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? PEOPLE AND TREES. PEOPLE AND TREES? YOU LIKE THOSE SPECIFIC PEOPLE OR ANY PEOPLE? OH, I LIKE ANY PEOPLE, BUT WE JUST HAVE A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.

YEAH, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE I MEAN, PETE AND SOME OTHER FOLKS HERE LIVE IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DO HAVE A LOT OF CHARACTER. I LIVE IN A SUBDIVISION. IT'S A NICE SUBDIVISION. SUBDIVISIONS HAVE CHARACTER AT ALL? WELL, THEY SORT OF DO, BUT SO, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU ASK ME WHAT I LIKE MOST ABOUT IT IS IT HAS A LOT OF DOGS IN IT. THE OWNERS, I DON'T KNOW THEIR NAMES,

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SOUTH FLETCHER IS THERE'S REALLY NO NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY, SECOND HOMES, TOURISTS, YOU KNOW, RENTERS.

WELL, AND THAT'S YEAH, WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. YOU KNOW, FOR ALL THE YEARS I'VE LIVED HERE, WE HALLOWEEN COMES EVERY YEAR, AND YET NOT ONE CHILD HAS EVER COME TO OUR HOUSE FOR HALLOWEEN EXCEPT ONE TIME, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE RENTED A HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, BROUGHT THEIR GRANDKIDS, AND CAME ACROSS THE STREET TO OUR HOUSE ASKING US IF THEY BROUGHT THE CANDY, COULD THEY BRING THEIR KIDS OVER TO DO HALLOWEEN? AND WE SAID FINE. THAT'S CLASSIC.

BUT THAT'S HILARIOUS. WELL, I THINK THAT'S WELL, THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA THAT MAYBE WE'RE GOING THAT MIGHT BE A SOCIETAL CHANGE. GOING WHERE? WORLDWIDE. THAT'S A DIFFERENT SO, WHAT IF PEOPLE TRAVELED THE GLOBE? SO, WHAT'S ONE WORD OR PHRASE THAT CAPTURES WHAT YOU WANT TO PROTECT IN FERNANDINA BEACH? WHAT WOULD YOU BE VERY SAD IF IT LEFT? WELL, WE HAVE A IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WE, HAVE A LOT OF CUL-DE-SACS, WHICH IS REALLY NICE BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HOUSES AND EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYBODY.

AND ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD STILL? THAT PROTECT FERNANDINA BEACH. SO, YOU WANT TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS AS THEY ARE.

YES, MA'AM. AND THE PLATS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE, THE CURRENT PLATS, BECAUSE FIRST THING THAT DEVELOPERS WANT TO DO IS TO BUY A LOT AND MAKE 2 LOTS OR 3 OR 4 OR WHATEVER, INCREASE DENSITY. SO, IF YOU PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY BUY THEIR HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY BOUGHT THIS LOT AND LIKE HE SAID ON ATLANTA, ALL MOST OF THOSE HOUSES ARE LARGER LOTS. AND, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS RIGHT NOW I THINK THERE'S A CASE, YEAH, WHERE SOMEBODY'S TRIED TO SPLIT A LOT.

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

RIGHT. IT KIND OF COMES DOWN TO ONE WORD: DENSITY. AND THAT CHANGES THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT DENSITY LOOKS DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT AREAS.

AND, AND YOU CAN MASK DENSITY, LIKE I SAID, WITH ADUS OR WITH TRIPLEXES OR DUPLEXES THAT ARE A TOP AND A BOTTOM. IT LOOKS LIKE ONE HOUSE, BUT YOU HAVE AN APARTMENT ON ONE FLOOR AND THE OTHER ONE ON THE OTHER FLOOR. SO, THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT WHAT DO YOU FEEL IS THE GREATEST CHALLENGE TO FERNANDINA BEACH'S CHARACTER NOW? WHAT IS CHALLENGING THE CHARACTER? OVERDEVELOPMENT. WELL, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING. TRAFFIC CONGESTION, RISING HOUSING COSTS.

OVERDEVELOPMENT CAUSES ALL THE REST OF THE PROBLEMS. SO, WHEN YOU SAY OVERDEVELOPMENT, ARE YOU SAYING RESIDENTIAL OR ARE YOU SAYING COMMERCIAL OR BOTH? RIGHT NOW, PROBABLY JUST IN THE RESIDENTIAL. AND ARE YOU SAYING IN THE CITY OR IN THE COUNTY? OR BOTH.

IN THE CITY. I'M ONLY DEALING WITH THE CITY. WE'RE JUST DEALING WITH THE CITY. RIGHT.

THE COUNTY IS OLD. YEAH, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY IN ANOTHER BUT SO, HERE, I MEAN, I HAVE SOME NOTES I WAS GOING TO GIVE MY COLLEAGUES HERE LATER, BUT SO THE CITY LOOKED LIKE THIS IN THE 1970S. IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THIS PRIOR TO THAT. SO, WHEN IT CHANGED, THERE WERE 7,000 PEOPLE IN THE CITY. THERE ARE ROUGHLY 14,000 TODAY. THERE WERE 21,000 IN THE COUNTY. THERE ARE 104,000 TODAY. THERE WERE 23,000 CARS IN THE COUNTY.

THERE ARE PROBABLY 85,000 CARS TODAY. THERE WERE NO TOURISTS THEN. TODAY THERE'S 1.5 MILLION. THEY DRIVE 300,000 CARS OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. THERE ARE 200,000-DAY TRIPPERS WHO BRING 73,000 CARS OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR. AND IF WE HAD TO MITIGATE THAT GROWTH YEAH, SO THE GROWTH OR THE TOURISM? BECAUSE THAT'S A DRIVER OF YOUR LOCAL ECONOMY TOO.

SO, SO THE, SO THE QUESTION THERE IS TO ASK THE, THE TOURISM FOLKS

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CORRECT. BUT I'M NOT SURE WE NEED A MILLION AND A HALF. AND SO I, I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO TELL ME WHAT THE NUMBER IS, AND THEN WHEN DO WE STOP? AND IS THAT POSSIBLE? IF IT'S, WELL, WE CAN STOP ADVERTISING.

AND, BUT IF A MILLION AND A HALF, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THEM, THERE ARE 3 PEOPLE PER PARTY WHO COME HERE. THEY ALL DRIVE CARS. IF I'M MY MATH ISN'T GOOD, BUT I THINK THAT COMES TO AROUND 300,000. AND THE CITY WASN'T BUILT FOR ANY OF THIS.

IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR THAT CAPACITY. AND I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM. AND THE TOURIST AND THE I THINK NASSAU COUNTY BY 2035 IS GOING TO BE 150,000. YEAH, SOMEWHERE THERE. SO, SO WE ALL AGREE OVERDEVELOPMENT IS THE, THE THING THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON HERE? OKAY. I MEAN, YOU LIVE IN YOU, YOU'VE MENTIONED PINELLAS COUNTY BEFORE. YOU JUST SAID I DID, YES. OKAY. WELL, I GREW UP IN TAMPA. OH YEAH. OKAY. SO, WHEN I WENT TO CLEARWATER, OVER ACROSS THE BRIDGE, OR, YOU KNOW, JANDY BRIDGE. YEAH.

CRABBING AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

IT WAS NEVER A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE BEACH.

TODAY THAT'S A PROBLEM. OKAY, OVERDEVELOPMENT, CARS EVERYWHERE. YOU CAN'T GO TO THE BEACH, YOU CAN'T DO BECAUSE THERE'S MORE AND MORE AND MORE PEOPLE, MORE HOUSING, MORE TRAFFIC, MORE OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT CERTAINLY WEREN'T THERE WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, SO BEFORE AIR CONDITIONING, I CAME HERE, WE MOVED THERE, REFLUX OF AIR CONDITIONING. I MOVED HERE IN, I THINK, '96 OR '97, AND, THERE WASN'T, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOT MUCH AROUND.

IT WAS A NICE CALM PLACE, AND MY FEAR AT THAT TIME WAS THIS IS GOING TO BE JUST LIKE DELRAY BEACH, JUPITER, PALM BEACH, AND ALL OF THE SOUTH FLORIDA. WELL, THAT'S WHAT OUR JOB IS, IS TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT. WELL, THAT'S WHY GOT ON THIS BOARD.

THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.

YES, MA'AM. AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE UNLESS YOU'VE LIVED IN THOSE AREAS, YOU DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. WHEN PEOPLE COME IN, THEY LOOK AT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY THINK ONE OUT OF THREE OF THEM IS GOING TO THINK, WELL, I COULD BUY THAT AND BUILD THREE, OR I CAN DO THIS OR THAT. AND THEN THEY WALK INTO MARGARET'S OFFICE AND SHE SAYS, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. AND THEN THEY WALK DOWN TO THE LOCAL ATTORNEY TO TRY AND CHANGE IT. SO, I GET THAT. THE COUNTY IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. WHEN WE MOVED HERE IN THAT YEAR, I COULD GO I DROVE TO JACKSONVILLE EVERY DAY TO GO TO WORK, AND THAT WAS A ROUGHLY 35-40 MINUTE TOP DRIVE, 3 LIGHTS, NO PROBLEM. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME ANYONE TRIED TO LEAVE THE ISLAND HERE AT 8 OR 9 IN THE MORNING OR 5 O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.

WELL, THINGS CHANGE. WELL, YEAH, IT ONLY DOUBLED THE POPULATION ACROSS THE BRIDGE, BUT MY POINT IS THE WHOLE TIME WE HAVE TO MANAGE THAT GROWTH, WHICH IS YOU AS A PLANNER ARE TRYING TO DO. YES, SIR, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND WITH THE RESIDENTS, SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY.

YEAH. YES, MA'AM. YOU KNOW, I JUST READ A I JUST READ A STUDY WHERE AMERICANS ARE BEING ATTRACTED TO WATER TO THE COAST. SO, THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE COAST OF THE UNITED STATES. YES, MA'AM. AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING, WHETHER IT'S THE UP OF MICHIGAN OR IT'S IN CALIFORNIA OR IT'S NANTUCKET, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THOSE ANYWHERE, TEXAS, EVERYWHERE. OCEAN'S RISING TOO, SO THEY'RE ALL GOING TO DROWN ONE DAY. SO, WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU WANT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO LOOK LIKE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS. SO, DO YOU WANT LOW-DENSITY URBAN-STYLE NEIGHBORHOODS, MEDIUM-DENSITY, OR MIXED-USE NEIGHBORHOODS? WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT THAT? SO, YOU CAN WALK TO A COFFEE SHOP DOWN THE STREET, OR YOU JUST WANT SMALL-MEDIUM DENSITY WITH CUL-DE-SACS, OR YOU WANT LOW-DENSITY WITH SUBURBAN OR RURAL TRACTS OF LAND WITH A HORSE MAYBE, OR YOU WANT URBAN, YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MAYBE HAVE 02, 3 STORIES. I THINK WE'RE BEYOND LOW DENSITY. YEAH, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THOSE ARE POSSIBLE. I'LL GO WITH MEDIUM DENSITY. OKAY. AND CHANGE, BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

WELL, YEAH, WITH YEAH, WHICH IS WHAT WE FIGHT EVERY DAY HERE.

BUT WE CHAMPION, WE DON'T FIGHT, WE JUST CHAMPION A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. YEAH. I JUST THIS KIND OF GETS DOWN TO, I THINK WE NEED MORE EMPHASIS ON I THINK WE OUGHT

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SO, I, I DO THINK THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR A COMMUNITY THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE SELF-SUSTAINING. I KNOW OF A COUPLE PLACES OVER AROUND FORT MYERS WHERE THEY'VE GONE TO THAT, THAT THAT STYLE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU CAN LITERALLY GO TO A MOVIE AND NOT, NOT LEAVE YOUR QUOTE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOUR ABSOLUTE DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH. SO, SO THOSE KIND OF IN, INJECTION OF LITTLE COMMERCIAL AREAS WOULD BE BENEFICIAL? YES, YES. WELL, JENNY, WE STARTED SOME OF THAT WORK ON, ON, YOU KNOW, 8TH STREET. AND YES, WE DID, YOU KNOW, AROUND LOOKING AT THE COMMERCIAL NODES AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THE CHANGES, AND WE DID A LOT OF WORK ON IT, THEN IT KIND OF FELL OFF. AND WE HAD PLANS FOR SEVERAL OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS TO LOOK AT. I'M ASSUMING IT'LL COME BACK ONE DAY, RIGHT? OH YES, ABSOLUTELY. AND THIS IS JUST ALL THIS CONVERSATION HERE IS LEANING TOWARDS WHAT WE'VE ALREADY HEARING, IS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD APPROACH BECAUSE WE DO HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS AND SOME OF THOSE PICTURES, THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS WITH VERY LARGE LOTS, EVEN LARGER THAN WHAT'S OVER NEAR THE LIGHTHOUSE. THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO OUT A LITTLE BIT, AND NOT ONLY JUST THE LAND WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, THE POTENTIAL ANNEXATION OF LAND. SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. SO MIDDLE OF THE DONUT. YEAH. SO, WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT IT, EVEN COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, LIKE HOW THOSE LOOK AND HOW THOSE FUNCTION AND WHAT FITS IN AND HOW DOES IT GO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, IT DOES LEND ITSELF TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD APPROACH THAT I THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. SO, THANK YOU FOR VOTING. SIDEWALKS AND WALKABILITY ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT FEATURE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ALSO HAVE STREET TREES, NEARBY SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS, WHICH WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT JUST PREVIOUS, BIKE LANES, AND THEN ACCESS TO PARKS OR TRAILS. SO SHOULD THE TOP PRIORITY BE WHEN REDEVELOPING A LARGE VACANT OR UNDERUSED SITES IN THE CITY: MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, ENTERTAINMENT, DINING, OR RETAIL, INDUSTRIAL USE FOR HIGH-WAGE JOBS, COMMUNITY AMENITIES LIKE PARKS, LAND CONSERVATION, OR ENSURING NEW DEVELOPMENT FITS WITHIN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, IS SOME COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS.

WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT. WELL, I THINK IT NEEDS TO FIT WITHIN THE SURROUNDING AREAS, BUT IT HAS TO BE COMPLEMENTARY TO THOSE AREAS, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOMETIMES THE DISCONNECT COMES ALONG, YOU KNOW. SO, YOU WOULD BE OKAY IF IT WERE COMPLEMENTARY AND COMMERCIAL? YEAH, AND I MEAN, THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE IN THE PAST WITH SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.

WHERE, YOU KNOW, TAKING THE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOODS NOW AND MAKING SOME OF THOSE CHANGES WITHIN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. OR HAVING COMMERCIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND RESIDENTIAL ABOVE.

YEAH, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. YEAH, A LITTLE HISTORIC. BY THE PORT, WE'VE GOT SOME OF THAT STARTED. THAT'S THAT MAKES FOR AN ACTIVE PUBLIC REALM SPACE. YOU GET MORE ACTIVITY. WELL, IT USED TO BE UP BEFORE THE 20TH CENTURY, IT WAS DOWNTOWN TOO. RIGHT. I GOING TO GO TO THE OLD HARDWARE STORE HERE.

WELL, THAT WAS THERE WAS RESIDENTIAL UPSTAIRS, I THINK. PROBABLY THE GUY THAT RAN THE HARDWARE STORE.

EXACTLY RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO, I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED COMMUNITY CHARACTER A LITTLE BIT. DO Y'ALL FEEL WHAT DID WE DECIDE IN THIS LAST ONE? SINGLE FAMILY OR WHAT? COMMUNITY CHARACTER.

IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. SO, MAKING SURE IT FITS REGARDLESS OF THE USE. YEAH, IS WHAT I HEARD. OKAY. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, I'D LOVE TO HEAR IT. NO, NO, THAT MAY YEAH, OKAY, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY, SO WHAT'S YOUR

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RIGHT, THEY MAY NOT BE STREET LEGAL. PEOPLE ARE GLUED TO THEIR CARS HERE. I'M SORRY, MA'AM? PEOPLE ARE GLUED TO THEIR CARS HERE. YOU KNOW WHAT, WHEN I MOVED HERE, I MOVED FROM INNER CITY PHILADELPHIA, AND I WAS STANDING OUTSIDE OF MARSH LAKES WHERE I LIVED AND WAITING FOR A BUS AND SOMEBODY SAID, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BUS? THEY SAID, WE HAVE CARS HERE.

OKAY, BUT IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO TAKE? IF YOU HAD A, YOU KNOW, PIE IN THE SKY, WOULD YOU ALWAYS TAKE YOUR CAR? WOULD YOU TAKE A GOLF CART OR RIDE A BIKE OR WALK? NO, WE HAD SOME REASONABLE TRANSPORTATION, AND I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE FOR THAT EVENTUALLY. WE'D GET TO THAT POINT WHERE WE HAVE HAS SOME KIND OF TRANSPORTATION THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT HOURS, OR IT'S GOING TO GO ONE WAY AND TAKE ME 3 HOURS TO GET BACK TO WHERE I'M AT. WELL, AND AS PEOPLE AGE IN PLACE, THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO MOVE AROUND, AND IT BECOMES MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO DRIVE A CAR. I DON'T KNOW, HOW'S THAT? DIDN'T THEY DID THEY DO THE NEW BUS FOR THIS LAST COUPLE MONTHS OR SOMETHING? THERE WAS TALK OF IT AT ONE I THINK THERE WAS TALK OF IT, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYTHING HAS BEEN FINALIZED. I THINK THEY STARTED IT. HAS MOVED FORWARD, YEAH. NEVER GOT STARTED. I THINK IT DIED.

YEAH, YEAH. WHICH ONE? SO, DOES ANYBODY TAKE OTHER MODES OF TRANSPORTATION? DO YOU RIDE BIKES OR TAKE A GOLF CART OR UBER SOMEPLACE? YES, I DO A GOLF CART ON OCCASION. DO YOU? BUT SOME OF THAT'S KIND OF SCARY. I MEAN, YOU'RE COMPETING WITH CARS AND NOW YOU'RE ALSO COMPETING WITH E-BIKES. OH GOD, YOU KNOW, E-BIKES ARE A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD JUST BECAUSE THE AGE OF THE RIDERS. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE COMING OVER HERE TODAY, THERE WERE 4 E-BIKE RIDERS ON THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET GOING WHATEVER THEY WERE DOING, YOU KNOW. YEAH.

AND I'M SITTING ON OR JUST GOING PAST, THEY'RE ON THE SIDEWALK, BUT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A STREET THAT HAS A STOP SIGN. SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME REGULATION. YES, SIR. STRONGEST SURVIVE. SO, WHAT IS THE BARRIER TO KEEP YOU FROM TAKING ANOTHER MODE OF TRANSPORTATION OTHER THAN YOUR CAR? IS IT TOO FAR? IS IT TOO HOT? IS THERE NOT ENOUGH LIGHTING? IS IT TOO LONG TO GET THERE? OR NOT ENOUGH SAFE STREET CROSSINGS? NOT ENOUGH SIDEWALKS OR BIKE LANES? I'LL SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE. I FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT SAFE ENOUGH. I'VE ALMOST GOTTEN HIT ON MY BIKE MANY TIMES. REALLY? I CAN NAME THEM. YEAH. SO, DO YOU RIDE ON THE STREET, SHARE THE ROAD, OR DO YOU RIDE ON THE SIDEWALK? I TRY TO RIDE ON THE SIDEWALK, AND I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO. WHEN I RIDE IN THE STREET IS WHEN I ALMOST GET HIT. YEAH. SO, WHO TOLD YOU YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO? I HEARD SOMEWHERE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO RIDE ON THE SIDEWALKS. SO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK I PREFER I APPRECIATE YOU SAY IT.

THAT'S A QUESTION FOR JEFF. WE NEED WIDER LANES FOR BICYCLES AND MORE MULTIMODAL PATHS AND ALL THAT STUFF. THINGS WILL EVOLVE WITH GOLF CARTS, AND WE'RE SEEING THAT NOW, BUT I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A SENSE OF MUTUAL RESPECT. THE GOLF CART GUY THAT'S GOING 20 ON A 45-MILE SPEED ZONE IS PROBABLY NOT DOING ANYTHING EXCEPT HINDERING TRAFFIC. SO, I THINK THERE HAS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF, SHALL WE SAY, RECOGNITION OF WHAT YOUR INVOLVEMENT IS IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE DRIVING AND SO FORTH. BUT I MEAN, FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, IT'S PURELY INVESTMENT. THEY, LET'S JUST SAY THEY BOTH WORK, SO THEY NEED TWO CARS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS.

RIGHT. OKAY, AND THEY GOT A TWO-CAR GARAGE. WELL, WHERE DO THEY KEEP THE GOLF CART OR THEY KEEP A CAR. SO, IT GETS EITHER INTO A LOGISTICAL ISSUE ON AN ASSET YOU OWN, OR IT CAN BE, DO I WANT TO SPEND ANOTHER YOU CAN EASILY SPEND $18,000 ON A GOLF CART.

ON A GOLF CART, YOU'RE VERY LIMITED TO WHERE YOU CAN GO. YEAH, I CAN'T GO FROM MY HOUSE ACROSS THE BRIDGE OR TO THE BRIDGE AND EVEN SHOP IN THAT AREA BECAUSE PART OF THE ROAD IS, OR THE BRIDGE ITSELF, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO. SO, YOU'RE RUNNING, AND YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO FIGURE, HOW DO I GET THERE WITHOUT AROUND, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, ON WHAT I SAY, US 1. SO THEN WITH THOSE THOUGHTS, WHAT TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED? ADDING IMPROVED BIKE LANES, IMPROVED ROAD MAINTENANCE, IMPROVED SIDEWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY,

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AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WITHIN REASONABLE TIME FRAMES AND COULD GET YOU THERE AND BACK.

WELL, I, I, HAVING WORKED IN ST. PETE BEACH, THEY CREATED A GOLF CART THAT IS THEIR TROLLEY THAT TAKES THEM AROUND THE ISLAND. THERE, BUT IT'S ONLY A 6-MILE ISLAND.

THIS IS MUCH LARGER THAN THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE THE SCALE TO DO IT NOW IN TERMS OF OUR SIZE, BUT I KIND OF KEEP UP WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THINGS LIKE WAYMO, RIGHT, TAXIS, AND I THINK THE SCALE IS COMING DOWN AND MORE PEOPLE ARE GETTING INVOLVED IN THAT, BUT IT IS SUCH TOO THAT, AND ESPECIALLY FOR IF OUR POPULATION IS CONTINUING TO AGE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU TELL IT WHEN TO PICK YOU UP, IT TAKES YOU WHERE YOU WANT TO GO, WILL PICK YOU UP WHERE YOU ARE AT THE RESTAURANT AND TAKE YOU HOME, AND IT'S REALLY EASY.

YEAH, IF THE TECHNOLOGY CAN EVOLVE. YEAH, AND IT'S AIR-CONDITIONED. AND IF YOU'RE PIE IN THE SKY, I PUT THAT ON THE LIST. NO, I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD INVESTMENT.

WELL, I THINK TRANSIT WE HAVE AN IMMEDIATE NEED. AND THAT IS PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT SOME WAY OF DOING THAT. I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS STARTED DOING IT, BUT, THAT'S JUST THE FIRST BITE.

BUT I THINK AT SOME POINT, YEAH, WE MAY GET TO BEING ABLE TO NOT HAVE TO GO OFF ISLAND FOR AS MUCH STUFF. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO YOUR HOME DEPOT, WELL, YOU GOT I'M GOING TO TAKE YOUR GOLF CART, RIGHT? BUT I THINK THE CITY MAYBE NEEDS TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE METHODS OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OTHER THAN JUST THE BUS AND RUBBER TIRES. THAT'S TRUE. IT YEAH, AND WHICH THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT FORMS. YEAH, GOOD POINT. SO, ANYBODY ELSE ON WITHOUT RUBBER TIRES? I'M SORRY, WHAT IS THE FORM? WELL, A BUS AND RUBBER TIRES, LIKE A FIXED GUIDEWAY SYSTEM IN THE CITY THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR FREE MOVEMENT, WHEREAS OPPOSED TO RUBBER TIRES SITS IN TRAFFIC AND ACTS SUFFER THE SAME.

THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE ON TRANSPORTATION? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE WRAPPING UP HERE.

RESILIENCY AND ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF, IT'S OUR, OUR LAST TOPIC. SO, WHAT DO YOU WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT RESILIENCY INVESTMENT THE CITY SHOULD MAKE? YOU THINK IT'S WATER SYSTEMS, STORMWATER, URBAN TREE CANOPY, ROAD AND BRIDGE UPGRADES, UPGRADES, HARDENING OF UTILITIES, OR ECONOMIC RESILIENCE? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? RESILIENCY. SEA WALL. SEA WALL? YEP. HARDENING UTILITIES, WHICH GOES PART OF THE ECONOMIC RESILIENCE.

WELL, IT MAY OR MAY NOT LIKE, ECONOMIC RESILIENCY WOULD BE TO MAINTAIN YOUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND SPECIFICALLY THE MILL. YEAH, BUT IF YOU DON'T BUILD A SEAWALL, THEY WON'T BE HERE. NO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE REALITY IS IF YOU DON'T DO SOME OF THESE THINGS, RIGHT? BEACH RE-NOURISHING.

FOR YEARS THEY DIDN'T DO THAT, AND YOU KNOW, LET THE NEXT GENERATION TAKE CARE OF IT, AND NOW WE'RE THE NEXT GENERATION.

WE HAVE TO REPLACE, YOU KNOW, SEWER PIPES MADE OUT OF WOOD.

OKAY. YOU KNOW, WHICH THEY DID YEARS AGO, AND I UNDERSTAND SOME THERE ARE SOME IN TOWN. SO, YES, SIR. I DO. I WANT TO PUT SOME HEAT MITIGATION ON THE LIST. YEAH, IT'S HOT.

IT IS HEAT MITIGATION, YOU KNOW, WHICH COULD TRANSLATE INTO THE URBAN TREE CANOPY EXPANSION. YEAH, EXACTLY. AND SHADE ALONGSIDE BUT SHADE ALONG SIDEWALKS THERE'S A BOOK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF SHADE. YES, ABSOLUTELY. AND FOR, FOR A CITY IN FLORIDA, SHADE SHOULD BE A REALLY BIG DEAL. I TOTALLY AGREE. AND SURFACE PARKING LOTS JUST EMANATE HEAT, AND OUR ROADWAYS ARE ADDING TO THAT HEAT DOME.

BUT THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? WHICH ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE SHOULD THE COMMUNITY PRIORITIZE? THE BEACHES, THE RIVERS, THE FORESTS, OR THE WETLANDS? I THINK WE KNOW. ALL OF THE ABOVE, I'VE HEARD, BUT WHICH SHOULD WE PRIORITIZE? WELL, WE'RE PART OF ALL OF THAT. I MEAN, OUR WHOLE ENVIRONMENT HERE IS ARE THOSE ITEMS, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S HARD TO IF YOU LOSE ONE, YOU LOSE MORE THAN JUST YEAH, YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH THE OCEAN WITHOUT THE RIVER. I'D SAY THE WETLANDS AND FLOODPLAINS.

DEFINITELY, YEAH. HOW IMPORTANT

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MARY, I'LL JUMP IN THERE.

THAT'S WHY WE ALL CAME HERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LET'S DESTROY IT. THEY MADE SONGS ABOUT THAT IN THE '60S. I CAME FOR A JOB. WELL, BUT YOU CAME HERE.

BUT YOU STAYED. YEAH, YOU CAME HERE. YOU DIDN'T GO ALMOST DIDN'T. WELL, YOU DIDN'T GO TO JACKSONVILLE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. THAT'S MY POINT, YOU KNOW. PEOPLE COME TO THE ISLAND, THEY FIRST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO LIVE HERE AND WHERE CAN I BUY A HOUSE CHEAP? SO, WHAT TYPE OF RECREATIONAL AREAS DO YOU VISIT REGULARLY? THE BEACHES, THE PARKS, WATERFRONT AREAS? ALL OF THEM. YOU VISIT THEM ALL REGULARLY? I THINK MOST PEOPLE DO. YEAH, PRETTY MUCH. YEAH, YEAH. AS YOU GET CLOSE TO 80, YOU START SLOWING DOWN. YOU GOT EGAN'S CREEK, THAT PARK RIGHT THERE, THAT'S GOOD TO GO TO.

GO UP TO FORT CLINCH. YEAH, FORT CLINCH IS A BEAUTIFUL PARK. I MEAN, THAT'S THE NICE THING ABOUT THE CITY NOW, WE HAVE A LITTLE TALBERT, BIG TALBERT, ISLANDS. SO, YOU WOULD REALLY SAY ALL OF THE ABOVE INSTEAD OF WATERFRONT AND BEACHES, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. YEAH.

OKAY. AND WE'VE ALWAYS ENJOYED THOSE FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE ANY LENGTH OF TIME. SO, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF WHICH ONE DO I WANT TO GET RID OF, AND THE ANSWER IS NONE. AND I WANT TO IMPROVE ALL OF THEM, RIGHT? AND SO, WE AS PLANNERS TRY AND BALANCE, YOU KNOW, WE MOVE TO PARADISE AND DON'T WANT TO PAVE IT AND DON'T WANT TO WELL, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, CLINCH IS, I MEAN, PRETTY MUCH NOBODY'S GOING TO ENCROACH ANY MORE ON IT THAN IT IS. IF YOU GOT LITTLE CALIBER, BIG CALIBER, THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH, THEY ARE BASICALLY STERILE NATURAL ENVIRONMENTS. NOT TOTALLY, BUT THEY'RE CLOSER TO IT.

THEY'RE FOR RECREATIONAL. AND WE GOT A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE RIGHT NOW, AS LONG AS WE KEEP FUNDING ALIVE, TO KEEP THEM THAT WAY AND THEY WILL NOT BE ALTERED OTHER THAN BY NATURE. I WOULD HOPE SO. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY SURVEY RESULTS. SO, ANYBODY THAT HAS A PAPER SURVEY, IF YOU WANT TO PLEASE HAND IT IN, AND WE WILL TALLY THOSE THAT INFORMATION. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE SURVEY? WE GO ON LUNCH, DON'T DO THIS, RIGHT? YES, SIR. I DIDN'T FILL OUT MINE, I JUST TALKED.

OKAY, THAT'S ALL RIGHT, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T FILL OUT DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT YOU TALKED. NO, NO, I WON'T. I'M PRETTY MUCH SET IN MY WAYS. SO, OUR PRELIMINARY RESULTS FROM THE, FROM THE 134 RESIDENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD THUS FAR, THEY OVERWHELMINGLY WANT FERNANDINA BEACH TO MAINTAIN THE SMALL-TOWN ATMOSPHERE.

HERE, HISTORIC IDENTITY, ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THE UNIQUE SENSE OF PLACE OF FERNANDINA BEACH. THEY WANT US TO MANAGE GROWTH, PROTECT THE TREE CANOPY, BEACHES, WETLANDS, MARSHES, AND OTHER NATURAL RESOURCES. THEY WANT US TO PRIORITIZE SIDEWALKS AND BIKE FACILITIES. THEY WANT SUPPORT THEY SUPPORT THE INVESTMENTS THAT IMPROVE STORM READINESS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY TO ALLOW WORKERS AND FAMILIES AND OLDER ADULTS TO REMAIN IN THE COMMUNITY. SO, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE HEARD THUS FAR. THE RESPONDENTS HAVE BEEN OVER 65, FULL-TIME WORKERS OR RETIRED, SO, MOST PEOPLE HAVE LIVED HERE OVER 20 YEARS AND ARE FULL-TIME RESIDENTS. AND THEN WE HAVE THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE FILTERED DOWN. SO, WE HAVE MOSTLY FROM MID-ISLAND, WHICH IS NUMBER 10, OR OTHER, WHICH IS EITHER IN THAT DONUT HOLE THAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE, THIS IS COUNTY LAND. SO THAT'S WHAT MARGARET WAS TALKING ABOUT, ANNEXING SOME OF THAT PROPERTY TO HELP WITH THE TAX BASE FOR THE CITY. BUT DO THEY WANT TO BE ANNEXED? WELL, SOMETIMES YOU GET THE ASK AND SOMETIMES YOU GET THE TOLD. SO, IT

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SO, MOST OF THE SURVEY RESPONDENTS OWN THEIR OWN HOME AND FELT LIKE THE BOUNDARIES REFLECTED THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO SMALL TOWN CHARACTER, NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL SAID.

WALKABILITY AND MORE WALKING AND BIKE PATHS. DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THESE ON HARD OR WHERE WE CAN REFERENCE IT OR GET BACK TO IT, LOOK AT IT? WELL, YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL YOU GET SURE, I MEAN, WE WANT TO THIS IS ONLY UP TO DATE, RIGHT? RIGHT, THIS IS AS OF, YESTERDAY, THE DAY BEFORE. BUT WE HAVE, THE DATA READY TO SHARE WITH CITY COUNCIL AND THIS BOARD ONCE AGAIN, ONCE WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THE YEAR. CAN WE GO ONLINE AND SEE THIS NOW? THIS IS NOT POSTED YET. NO, SIR. THANK YOU. PRESERVATION OF CHARACTER WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, AND, YOU KNOW, THE INVESTMENT THE CITY SHOULD FOCUS ON MOST WAS KIND OF A TOSS-UP. THAT IT LOOKED LIKE STORM READINESS, WALKABILITY, PRESERVING CONSERVATION, AND MANAGING TRAFFIC WAS ALL IMPORTANT.

SO, MOST PEOPLE SAY OVERDEVELOPMENT, WHICH YOU FOLLOWED SUIT IN YOUR COMMENTS, AND 51% WANTED LOW DENSITY AND 34% WANTED MIXED-USE NEIGHBORHOODS.

WHAT WAS THE LAST THING? ABOUT A THIRD WERE IN FAVOR OF THAT YES, SIR. YEAH, DEPENDING ON THE AREA. SO, THE TOP PRIORITY WOULD BE COMMUNITY AMENITIES AND PUBLIC SPACES, AND THEN THE DESIGN FEATURE THAT THEY MOST WANT ARE BIKE LANES AND MULTI-USE PATHS, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT Y'ALL SAID. AND THE PRIMARY MODE OF TRANSPORTATION IS THE CAR, AND OFTEN PEOPLE USE DIFFERENT FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION 59% OF THE TIME. SO THAT'S A GOLF CART, A BIKE, SKATEBOARD. YEP.

SO, THERE ARE OVER 65 ON SKATEBOARDS, HUH? I'VE SEEN SOME PEOPLE ON THOSE HOVERBOARDS THAT ARE JUST WELL, THEY HAVE ALL THE LITTLE ONES WITH THE MOTORIZED ONES.

SO, THIS IS ADD AND IMPROVE BIKE LANES, AND THAT THE BARRIER FROM TAKING YOU, TAKING YOU OUT OF YOUR CAR IS THE DISTANCE, WHICH IS INTERESTING. NOT ENOUGH SIDEWALKS WAS SECOND PLACE. ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE WAS KIND OF A TOSS-UP, BUT TREE CANOPY WAS HOT, IS THE HIGHEST. AND THEN THE BEACHES IS THE SECOND HIGHEST.

AND THEN HARDENING OF UTILITIES. HOW IMPORTANT IS PROTECTING NATURAL AREAS? IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT Y'ALL SAID. AND THEN WHAT TYPES OF RECREATIONAL AREAS DO YOU USE? WELL, ALL OF THE ABOVE WAS ONLY PICKED BY 2% OF THE POPULATION, WHEREAS THIS WAS SPORTS FIELD AND ATHLETIC COMPLEXES. SO THAT'S, THAT'S INTERESTING.

AND THE BEACHES WAS LOW TOO.

THERE'S A TOURIST THERE WE CAN'T GET ON. WOW. I'M MAKING JOKES. I CAN'T HELP HIM. YOU CAN'T HELP ME. SO HERE WE ARE, WE'RE GOING TO START OUR VIRTUAL COMMUNITY OUTREACH EVENTS, WHICH WILL BE ONLINE, SO YOU CAN GO AND CONTINUALLY TAKE THE SURVEY. AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK IN, SEPTEMBER OR END OF AUGUST TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO Y'ALL.

OKAY. AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THE SURVEY OR WHAT'S GOING ON. YES, MA'AM. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO, DID YOU SERVE DID YOU SURVEY ANY COMMUNITIES IN WEST NASSAU? WE ONLY WENT TO CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH ACTIVITIES. OKAY, BUT YOU DON'T DO WE DON'T GO OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS. OKAY. WE JUST ASK IF THEY WERE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. I GOTCHA. WHICH AT THE OPENING OF THE BEACHES, THERE WERE QUITE A FEW THAT WERE FROM ELY AND HILLIARD, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT MID AREA. THAT SHE SHOWED YOU, THAT'S KIND OF THE CITIES ON EACH END OF IT, AND THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, THEIR ADDRESSES ARE FERNANDA

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THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE COOLEST THINGS ABOUT THIS CITY, IF YOU CAME FROM ANOTHER CITY, LIKE WE CAME FROM ATLANTA, IS THE SENSE OF NEIGHBORLINESS ACROSS ALL ECONOMIC STRATA.

YOU CAN GO TO T-RAY'S AND YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE EATING LUNCH TOGETHER WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, WHITE-COLLAR, BLUE-COLLAR, OLD, YOUNG, AND YOU'RE JUST ALL THE SAME.

RIGHT. AND EVERYBODY IS KIND AND EVERYBODY IS RESPECTFUL AND THOSE DIVISIONS ARE JUST SO BLURRED AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF YOU COME FROM ATLANTA, YOU GO, THAT'S SO COOL. YEAH, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE. AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOUR WAITER OR YOUR WAITRESS IS YOUR FRIEND AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR FAMILIES AND IT'S JUST COOL AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DEVELOP OR BUILD TO A RELATIONAL ENCOURAGE THAT AND KEEP IT, ESPECIALLY IF THE AFFORDABILITY THINGS, MAYBE THAT ANYWAY, I WISH I KNEW HOW TO STRENGTHEN THAT ABOUT OUR CITY. YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO A GUY ONE TIME WHO LIVED IN SANIBEL IS THAT WHAT'S THE KEY, THE REALLY PRETTY SANIBEL IS SOUTH OF SARASOTA. YEAH, WHAT'S THE KEY RIGHT NEAR SARASOTA? SANIBEL. SANIBEL.

CAPTIVA. CAPTIVA. WELL, ANY ONE OF THOSE. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS WE HAD FRIENDS THERE, AND IT WAS PERFECT. IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. THERE WAS NOT A BLEMISH ANYWHERE. AND I WAS TALKING TO A GUY WHO USED TO LIVE THERE, AND I SAID, WELL, THIS IS SORT OF THE ANTI-THAT. AND HE SMILED AND HE SAID, ISN'T IT GREAT? SO I MEAN, I WISH WE COULD PLAN TO THAT AND FOR THAT.

BUT I THINK IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU WANT TO WELCOME THE YOUNGER GENERATION AND HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM. AND RIGHT NOW THERE ISN'T A PLACE FOR THEM.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON CREATING, AND NOT A SEPARATION LIKE, "OH, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS FULL OF THIS." IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE STRIVING FOR. BUT THEY ALSO HAVE SEVERE DEVELOPMENT RESTRICTIONS. OH, DON'T WE? YEAH, EXACTLY. THE OTHER THING TOO IS EASE THE EASE OF BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO DRIVE TO JACKSONVILLE FOR JOBS BECAUSE THERE'S AROUND HERE, THERE'S NOT MANY FOR, YOU KNOW. WELL, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL LOOK AT WITH THE CONFERENCE. YEAH.

AND THE EASE OF DRIVING TO JACKSONVILLE IS NOT EASY. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT WE ALSO LOOK AT THE COMMERCIAL ELEMENT OF IT. AND, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY YOU APPROVED A REZONING AND ANNEXATION FOR A SKILLED NURSING FACILITY, AND THE LEVEL OF EMPLOYMENT THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE AND THE LEVEL OF EXPERTISE, PROFESSIONALISM OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE TO WORK THERE AND LICENSING AND ALL THAT IS A GREAT ASSET.

BUT THEN AGAIN, WE HAD ABOUT WE WERE HAVING TO BALANCE IT WITH MAINTAINING THE TREES.

AND, YOU KNOW, SO IT, IT REALLY IS A BALANCING ACT, BUT WE TRY TO THINK ABOUT THAT WHENEVER WE'RE THINKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

WELL, I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL GIVING ME YOUR TIME AND TAKING THE SURVEY, AND WE'LL BE BACK TO VISIT YOU IN ABOUT A MONTH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. VERY, VERY GOOD. SO WHEN YOU COME BACK, THAT'LL BE THE SURVEY WILL BE COMPLETED AT THAT TIME? YES, SIR, AND THE RESULTS WILL BE TALLIED, AND THEN WE'LL MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THOSE RESULTS AND WHAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS PASSED. BASED ON THE SURVEY RESULTS. YEAH, SO THERE'LL BE TWO IN THE YEAR LETTER, THERE'LL BE TWO COMPONENTS: WHAT WE'RE MANDATED TO HAVE TO CHANGE, AND THEN WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION AND GOALS BASED ON THIS FEEDBACK. OR THE SURVEY STUFF. AND THEN YOUR CITY WILL HAVE A YEAR TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES IN THE COMP PLAN. SO, THEN THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP, IT'S THE YEAR LETTER, AND THEN THAT'S TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE. AND THEN MARGARET AND HER TEAM HAVE A YEAR TO FLUSH OUT THE COMP PLAN ITSELF THAT YOU'LL SEE AGAIN.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL BE INVOLVED IN WITH RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND COMMENT. CLOSING COMMENT. MY PERCEPTION IS THE STATE IS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY ALL THE LOCAL CONTROL THEY POSSIBLY CAN. THEY'RE TRYING, BUT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU KEEP THE COMMUNITY SENSE ABOUT IT WHERE YOU'RE SMALL COMMUNITY WHEN THEY IN EFFECT PREVENT YOU

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SO THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO AS PLANNERS. YEAH, AND THAT'S WHAT GIVES A PLACE ITS SENSE OF YEAH, IT'S, IT'S WHAT I CALL THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY. IT IS. YOU NEED THAT MOSAIC. THANK YOU.

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SO, BEFORE I GO INTO THE LEGISLATIVE STUFF, BECAUSE WHAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT RELATES TO THAT, I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HOW YOU CREATE A COMMUNITY THAT YOU HOPE TO HAVE. MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT I, IN MY CAREER, I'VE DONE A LOT OF NEW CITIES. I'VE WORKED FOR DIRECTLY 3, 4 OF THEM AND INDIRECTLY FOR ANOTHER 7. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, HOW THAT RELATES HERE IS THAT FERNANDINA BEACH HAS A CYCLE THAT IT GOES THROUGH. AND, AND THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE. I'VE BEEN HERE A YEAR. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THESE. I'VE LIVED HERE 2 YEARS AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE CYCLES OF THIS STUFF.

BUT FERNANDINA BEACH, WHAT IT, WHAT IT DOES IS IT REINVENTS ITSELF SOMETIME, AND IT'S DONE IT THIS IS THE 5TH TIME AND THEN IT LIVES HAPPILY FOR 30 YEARS AND THEN IT BURNS ITSELF TO THE GROUND. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT CONTINUES TO HAPPEN.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE WATERFRONT, IT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT. I HAVE A PICTURE ON MY SCREENSAVER OF, OF IN 1990 WHEN IT WAS A TRUE WORKING WATERFRONT IN ITS PRIME. AND SO, WHEN, WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, I KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT A WORKING WATERFRONT, RIGHT? THAT THAT IS WHAT FERNANDINA BEACH WAS. WE ARE IN ONE OF THOSE CYCLES WHERE IT'S REINVENTING ITSELF. THE ONE COOL THING ABOUT IT IS THAT EVERY TIME FERNANDINA BEACH GETS BETTER.

EVERY TIME. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CYCLE IN THE HISTORY, AND THERE'S A NEW BOOK WRITTEN ON SOME OF THE HISTORY AS WELL, SO, AND I'M READING IT. I CHOSE TO LIVE HERE FOR SOME OF THE SAME REASONS ALL OF YOU DID. SOME, SOME OF ITS WORK, SOME OF ITS, YOU KNOW, JUST A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE CREATING A COMMUNITY, THERE ARE 3 REAL KEY COMPONENTS. THE FIRST IS THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.

I WHILE I KNOW THERE'S I'VE TRAVELED A LOT IN THE COUNTRY AND A LOT IN THE WORLD, AND I THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL PLACES EVERYWHERE, BUT IT'S HARD TO BEAT THIS ONE FOR NATURAL BEAUTY. I MEAN, WHERE THERE MAY BE A DOZEN PLACES ON THE PLANET WHERE YOU CAN WATCH THE SUN COME UP AND A BEAUTIFUL SUNRISE OVER WATER AND THEN WATCH THE SUNSET OVER WATER. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN EVERYWHERE. SO, WE HAVE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE WHO DOUBTS THAT. THE NEXT ONE THOUGH IS THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND THAT'S WHERE YOUR ROLE STARTS TO REALLY COME TO THE FORE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE CITY BUILDING ITSELF, IT'S, IT'S THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND THE HOMES BEING BUILT AND ALL OF THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

SO, WE HAVE ONE OF THE BIGGEST HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN THE COUNTRY, RIGHT? AND SO THAT, THAT WAS CREATED IN THE LAST, THE LAST ROLL-UP, RIGHT? IT WAS CREATED IN THE LAST TIME WE RECREATED OURSELVES. SO, PEOPLE HAD TO GET TOGETHER AND DO THAT.

AND IF YOU READ THE HISTORY OF THAT, SOME OF YOU EXPERIENCED IT, IT WAS NOT SMOOTH. IT WAS NOT CONSIDERED IT DEFINITELY COULDN'T HAVE BEEN THAT ALL FUN AND GAMES BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF TOUGH DECISIONS TO BE MADE. AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW. AND SO, WHEN, WHEN A GROUP OF PEOPLE GET TOGETHER AND DECIDE THAT THEY HAVE A CLEAR VISION FOR WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S GOING TO BE, IT COMES TO FRUITION.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS THAT COMMUNITY. IT'S

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WE BUILT IT 50 YEARS AGO.

BUT THAT IS EXAMPLE. SO, WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE TO FOLLOW IN FERNANDINA BEACH TO DO IT AGAIN. THE, THOSE TOUGH DECISIONS THOUGH COME FROM THE THIRD PART. WHICH IS THE PEOPLE. AND WHAT TRULY MAKES IT ANY COMMUNITY IS THE PEOPLE. AND, AND THAT IS CHANGING HERE TOO. PEOPLE HERE, THERE ARE NEW PEOPLE COMING IN EVERY DAY. WE, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED ABOUT, ABOUT GROWTH. SOME OF THEM THAT ARE HERE JUST TO VISIT AND THEY LOVE TO VISIT AND THEY LOVE TO TAKE HOME A PIECE OF FERNANDINA BEACH WITH THEM, WHICH WE, AT LEAST FOR ME, THAT'S HOW I STARTED TO DECIDE TO COME HERE. BUT THEN THERE'S THE FOLKS WHO COME AND STAY, AND THEN THERE'S THOSE OF US WHO, YOU KNOW, WE ALL ARE GOING TO AGE OUT EVENTUALLY. AND SO, WE LEAVE AND OUR FAMILIES COME AND MAKE A DECISION ABOUT OUR PROPERTIES AND ALL AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT. AND MANY OF THEM STAY. AND I THINK THAT'S THAT CYCLE OF LIFE.

SO, YOU WERE MENTIONING ABOUT HOW IT'S VERY NEIGHBORLY. I, I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S PART OF THE REASON I CAME HERE.

WHEN YOU CAN GO TO ANY RESTAURANT IN TOWN AND PEOPLE ARE NICE TO YOU. I CAME FROM SEATTLE.

SEATTLE IS KNOWN FOR THE SEATTLE FREEZE, AND IT'S A REAL THING THERE. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT FRIENDLY.

BUT HERE EVERYONE'S FRIENDLY UNTIL THEY'RE THEIR, THEIR VISION OF WHAT FERNANDINA BEACH IS GETS THREATENED. GOOD POINT. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE ARE. THAT'S OUR WE'RE AT THAT TURNING POINT. WE ALL KNOW WE WANT THIS PLACE IS SPECIAL AND WE WANT IT TO BE SPECIAL. AND, BUT OUR VISION OF WHAT IT IS ALONE IS NOT GOING TO GET US THERE. IT'S OUR VISION TOGETHER. AND I DO FEEL, AND I'VE TOLD THE STAFF ALL THE STAFF, I THINK THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST TIME TO BE IN FERNANDINA BEACH, AT LEAST IN THE LAST 50 YEARS, BECAUSE WE ALL GET TO BE A PART OF WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS. WE ALL NONE OF US, OR VERY FEW OF US, WILL BE HERE TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN 50 YEARS, BUT WE GET TO CREATE THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT YOUR ROLE. THE PAB HAS A BIG ROLE IN THAT. YOU WORK FOR THE COMMISSION AND YOU ARE THE COMMISSION'S RESEARCH BODY.

THEY CAN'T DO WHAT YOU DO.

THEY'RE IN THE POLITICAL REALM. THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF ISSUES TO DEAL WITH EVERY DAY. YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE VISION OF WHAT THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT IS, CAN BE, AND SHOULD BE. AND SO THERE, THAT'S A SERIOUSLY HEAVY RESPONSIBILITY IF YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, BUT IT'S ALSO AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY. AND FOR MANY OF YOU, YOU'VE SEEN PIECES OF THINGS COME TOGETHER.

THE IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE IT DID 10 YEARS AGO, AND IN SOME WAYS THAT'S A SHAME, BUT IN SOME WAYS THAT'S NOT.

IT'S A GOOD THING. WE HAVE OUR JOB AS STAFF IS TO HELP YOU AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOP THAT VISION TO WHERE WE CAN, WE CAN ALL MAKE IT HAPPEN TOGETHER.

BUT ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT RECENTLY IS THAT THE STAFF, WE IMPLEMENT POLICY. SO, YOU'RE GOING TO START THE PROCESS OF CREATING POLICY, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND POLICY TO THE COMMISSION TO MEET ALL THE GOALS THAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT. ABOUT IN THE PRESENTATION WITH THE SURVEY. AND WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU. AND THEN IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED, WE IMPLEMENT IT. SO, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, WE'RE GOING TO PROTECT THAT VISION AND IMPLEMENT THAT VISION. SO, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES ALWAYS IS THAT PUBLIC TRUST, WHICH WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD TO IMPROVE. THAT'S A TWO-WAY STREET THOUGH. RIGHT? WE ALL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER ON THAT.

BUT HOW WE DO THAT IS THAT WE, WE TAKE YOUR VISION AND WE MAKE IT OUR OWN. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ON OUR STAFF RIGHT NOW, THE ENTIRE CITY STAFF. THERE ARE VERY FEW WHO, WHO, WHO DON'T CARE AS MUCH OR MAYBE MORE THAN THE CITIZENS DO. AND THE REASON I SAY MORE IS BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT THE WHOLE CITY. YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND YOU SHOULD. I'M NOT ARGUING THAT AT ALL, BUT WE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT, WE CAN'T DO THAT. WE'VE GOT TO CARE ABOUT THE ENTIRE THING. AND I WOULD SAY THAT'S WHAT BRINGS US TOGETHER

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AND I KNOW YOU GUYS STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE JUST ABOUT READY TO COME TO YOU, AND THEY AND YOU HAVEN'T BEEN AS SUPER BUSY. YOU'RE ABOUT TO BECOME BUSY FOR ABOUT THE NEXT 3 YEARS, PROBABLY. PROBABLY. BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOT ONLY THE COMP, THE EAR, THEN THE COMP PLAN, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDO THE LDC. YEAH. YOU GUYS ALL KNOW THAT. IT'S TIME TO REBUILD IT, JUST LIKE WE DID THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S A HEAVY LIFT, AND YOU'RE AT THE POINT OF THAT HEAVY LIFT. SO, WE AS STAFF ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU THROUGH THAT ENTIRE PROCESS.

SO, A LITTLE BIT ON THE LEGISLATIVE, BECAUSE IT DEFINITELY RELATES TO HOW, AS YOU WERE SPEAKING EARLIER, I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S THOROUGHLY POSSIBLE THAT THE STATE WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, IMPACT HOME RULE. THAT'S CLEARLY THEIR GOAL.

BUT AS WE KNOW, ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL. AND THAT WON'T BE POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT'S TOO BIG OF A BREADTH FOR THEM TO DO THAT. SO, FOR US, WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP MARCHING ON, COMING TOGETHER AND DOING OUR VISION.

AND WHEN WE DO THAT, WE WILL INFECT WITH THAT ENTHUSIASM AND IT WILL GROW, AND THE STATE WILL DISCONTINUE THAT BECAUSE IT'S TOO HEAVY A LIFT FOR THEM. IT'S A HEAVY LIFT FOR US, BUT LET ALONE THEM. SO LEGISLATIVELY, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.

THERE'S THEY DID NOTHING WITH SENATE BILL 180. YOU KNOW THAT.

THERE'S NOISE ABOUT IT. MS. PRINCE IS GOING TO GIVE YOU A DETAILED BREAKDOWN OF ALL THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS AT YOUR NEXT I THINK AT THE NEXT MEETING, PROBABLY. SHE'S DONE IT ALREADY FOR THE COMMISSION, SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE THINGS. BUT I KIND OF WANTED TO DO JUST WHAT, HOW THOSE THINGS WILL, HOW WE'RE PREPARING FOR THOSE IMPACTS IN OUR DEPARTMENTS. SO, SENATE BILL 180 DOES, COULD IMPACT OUR COMP PLAN WHEN WE SUBMIT IT. IT'S A REQUIREMENT.

SO THAT THEY PUT US IN A CATCH-22, BUT THEY COULD DECLINE IT AND SAY, NO, YOU'VE GOTTEN TOO ASSERTIVE.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO STOP US FROM WORKING WITH YOU TO GET THAT DONE. HAVING BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE IN ANOTHER STATE, AT TIMES WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL, IT'LL ALL OF A SUDDEN CHANGE, THE LEGISLATION WILL CHANGE, AND THEY'LL WANT THE COMP PLANS IMMEDIATELY, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ONE OF THE FIRST ONES IN THE DOOR. THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO DO. SO, THE NEXT ONE IS THERE'S THE BIGGEST ONE THAT IMPACTS PLANNING IS SENATE BILL OR IS IT SENATE BILL OR HOUSE BILL? ONE OF THE BILLS, 399 IS THE NUMBER. AND THE MAIN FOCUS OF THAT REALLY IS WITH THIRD-PARTY, THIRD-PARTY REVIEWERS. SO, THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT IN BUILDING FOR QUITE A WHILE WHERE THEY CAN USE A THIRD-PARTY INSPECTOR AND THIRD-PARTY BUILDERS. WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OPENING THAT UP INTO THE PLANNING WORLD, SO THEY, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO THEIR OWN REVIEWS. AND THERE'S LIMITS ON US ON HOW WE CAN DO IT, BUT AND WE HAVE TO CREATE A LIST OF, OF PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN USE WITHIN THE CITY, SO THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO USE THIRD PARTIES TO DO ALL THEIR REVIEWS AND, AND ALL THAT. OF COURSE, THAT'S CHALLENGE. IT DOES GO TO THE HOME RULE ISSUE AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF, BUT WE ARE ALREADY STARTING TO PLAN. MARGARET AND THE TEAM ARE ALREADY MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

BUILDING ACTUALLY WAS REQUIRED TO DO IT, THAT SAME THING, I THINK IT THIS LAST MONTH, AND THAT LEADS ME TO THEIR BILL, WHICH REQUIRES THEM TO ENHANCE THEIR REPORTING OUT OF THE THIRD-PARTY STUFF AND BE A PART OF THAT.

BUT IT'S ALSO THAT ALLOWED FOR SMALL PERMITS. THE BIGGEST IMPACT FOR THEM IS SMALL PERMITS, ANYTHING UNDER $7,500 IN VALUE WITH SOME EXEMPTIONS DOESN'T REQUIRE A PERMIT ANY LONGER AS OF JULY 1ST. SO, THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS LOOK AT REVENUE. WELL, IT DOESN'T IMPACT OUR REVENUE SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE WE'RE ON AN ISLAND, WE'RE IN FLOOD ZONES. A LOT OF THE THOSE PERMITS TEND TO BE ELECTRICAL AND ALL THOSE THINGS,

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SORRY, WHICH BILL IS THIS? 399. OKAY, 399. YEAH, THAT 399 IS THE ONE ON PLANNING, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S 927.

THERE'S A BUNCH OF THEM.

HOUSE BILL 927. SO, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL PUT ALL OF THAT IN THE MINUTES, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE SEND ALL OF THEM TO YOU. THANK YOU. I ACTUALLY HAVE A SUMMARY OF ALL OF THEM THAT WE'LL ALSO SEND TO YOU. THANK YOU. THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE NEWS-LEADER, I THINK, ABOUT THE CHANGING OF THE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEY DIDN'T GO INTO ANY DETAIL IN TERMS OF LOCAL. I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORS JUST ASK ME WHAT IT MEANT, AND I SAID I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY'S EVEN HAD TIME TO SORT THROUGH IT. WE HAVE, ACTUALLY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS REQUIRED IS EVEN IF YOU'RE EXEMPT FROM THAT PERMIT, YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR THE EXEMPTION SO WE KNOW THE WORK IS GOING ON, RIGHT? SO, WE CAN VERIFY.

BECAUSE YOU ALSO CAN'T, PART OF THE LEGISLATION IS YOU CAN'T PARSE OUT 7,500 AT A TIME TO MISS PERMITS. OH, OKAY. SO WE HAVE TO, AND WE KNOW PEOPLE WILL TRY TO DO THAT. SO, FOR US, I THINK THE MESSAGE IS, TERESA WILL GET INTO DETAILS, BUT THE, THE MESSAGE IS THAT WE'RE READY, THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE FINE.

THERE'S NOT MASSIVE IMPACTS FINANCIALLY OR STAFF-WISE FOR US, SO I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD PLAN AS FAR AS THAT GOES. SHE'LL ALSO TALK ABOUT THE PROPERTY TAX IMPACTS.

SARAH'S TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN PUBLIC ALREADY.

SHE ANNOUNCED HEARD YESTERDAY IN THE COMMISSION MEETING THAT OUR IMPACT IS 15% OVER THE 2-YEAR BUMP UP.

THAT'S 15% JUST ON THE AD VALOREM. THAT, YEAH, THAT'S JUST THAT PART OF IT.

BUT THAT'S A BIG CHUNK OF HOW WE FUND OUR CITY SERVICES.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, $60 OR $70 MILLION. IT'S, YES, IT'S IN THAT RANGE. SO AGAIN, THERE'S GOES THROUGH, YEAH.

SHOULD IT PASS, THERE'S DECISIONS TO BE MADE., AND WE'RE PREPARING FOR THEM ALREADY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEM. THEY'LL BE DIFFICULT DECISIONS, BUT AGAIN, THOUGH, ALL THOSE DECISIONS NEED TO BE MADE, AND WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN. THE CITY MANAGER WILL PRESENT A PLAN TO COMMISSION ON IT BEFORE THE ELECTION SO THAT EVERYONE KIND OF KNOWS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT IMPACTS WILL BE.

BUT IT'S THOSE I THINK ARE THE MAJOR ONES THAT I CAN THINK OF.

AGAIN, SHE'LL GO BILL BY BILL, GIVE YOU THE TRUE IMPACTS. I DON'T WANT TO STEAL HER THUNDER AS FAR AS THAT GOES, BUT MY BIG THING WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR IT, WE'RE ON IT, AND AS MUCH AS WE CAN MITIGATE THE IMPACTS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND FROM THERE, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE ATTITUDE-WISE. I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE DOING GOOD, BUT THE CHANGE PROCESS THAT I TALKED ABOUT IS, IS, WEIGHS HEAVY ON US AS STAFF SOME DAYS, AND, AND WE WORK HARD TO KEEP OUR MORALE UP AND. AND WHEN NO MATTER HOW SMALL THE POSITIVE WORD THAT WE GET, IT MEANS A LOT. SO, I WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. IT MEANS A LOT TO ALL OF US. SO, WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE? THANKS, LYNN. OKAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. STAFF REPORTS? YEAH, WELL, STAFF, THAT'S OTHER

[8. PUBLIC COMMENT]

SO NEXT ONE IS JUST FOR YOU GUYS. ANY COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, BY THE BOARD OR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? BUT PUBLIC COMMENT AND BOARD COMMENTS.

YOU'RE THE ONLY PUBLIC HERE.

ARE YOU? I DIDN'T SEE ANY ON THERE. WELL, IT'S JUST PUBLIC COMMENT IN GENERAL.

OKAY, I'D LIKE TO SAY ONE THING. WE SHOULD LET HER TAKE THE SURVEY. THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSA MARGARET KIRKLAND, 1377 PLANTATION POINT DRIVE. THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND BICYCLE RIDING AND PEDESTRIANS AND SO ON. AND MY OBSERVATION IS THAT, AND THIS IS NOT THIS ISLAND OR

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BUT THAT REQUIRES, YOU KNOW, BIKE CLUBS, SKATEBOARDERS, IT REQUIRES EVERYBODY, THE CITY, THE COUNTY, EVERYBODY TO BE FOCUSED ON IT AND TO THINK OF SOME STRATEGIC WAYS TO ADDRESS IT. I DON'T HAVE ANY MAGICAL SOLUTIONS, BUT IF I WE DO IT IN SUPERMARKETS.

SITUATIONAL AWARENESS IS THEY'RE IN THEIR OWN WORLD, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY'RE WALKING IN A CROWD, DRIVING ON A STREET, RIDING A BIKE, WHATEVER. IT'S LIKE, IT'S ALL ABOUT ME, NOT ABOUT ANYONE ELSE. YEAH, YEAH.

SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, I DON'T WANT IT TO GET LOST, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT INTO OUR PLAN.

THANKS, TRISH. THANK YOU. GOOD POINT. OKAY, NEXT IS JUST COMMENT FROM THE BOARD. WELL, WHY DON'T WE START AT THIS END? MARK, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO GET OFF YOUR CHEST? I HAVE A COMMENT. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT JUST CAME OUT WITH SOMETHING ABOUT BIKES AND E-BIKES. YES, TODAY. OH, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT ONE. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. IT'S ALL FREE. ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, DON'T RUN OVER THEM. YEAH, IT'S GOOD. DAPHNE? PETE? THE ONLY THING I WOULD JUST SUGGEST IS IF WE GET A CHANCE, I WOULD STILL LIKE TO HAVE US IN A JOINT MEETING WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. I'VE GOTTEN SOME QUESTIONS THAT CAME BACK FROM THAT ONE ACTIVITY THAT WAS GOING ON, AND I THINK IT MIGHT JUST CLEAR THE AIR AND MAYBE HELP US UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BETTER EXACTLY WHAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT LOOKS AT WHEN THEY'RE MAKING A DECISION, YOU KNOW, THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN ON IT. AND I THINK JUST THE FACT OF JUST GETTING TOGETHER EYEBALL TO EYEBALL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA WITH ALL THE BOARDS BECAUSE WE HAVE INTERRELATIONSHIPS. AND I THINK, I THINK THE PAB CAN PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME PERSPECTIVE ON, ON ISSUES THAT MAY AFFECT, SAY, THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE WE, WE ARE ONE CITY. AND I THINK ALL THE BOARDS ARE I MEAN, OUR JOB IS WE GET HIRED BY THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO REPRESENT WHAT IS THE FLAVOR OF WHAT THIS COMMUNITY WANTS, AND WE TRY AND PROJECT THAT FORWARD. AND I THINK THE MORE WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER'S ROLE IN THAT IS BETTER. THAT'S JUST GOOD COMMUNICATIONS. I TOTALLY AGREE. I HAD TWO THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION. ONE WAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START TO WHEN WE GET TO THE, THE PLAN, THE COMP PLAN, AND WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THAT, AND PRIOR TO IT, I WOULD LIKE US JUST TO LIST EXPLICITLY THOSE THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT THAT I THINK ARE A THREAT TO THE CHARACTER OF THE CITY AND ITS POPULATION GROWTH, TOURIST GROWTH, CAR GROWTH, AND HOME RULE, AND JUST LIST THOSE AS THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND STRATEGIZED AND THEN SAY THIS IS A PROBLEM, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT. SO, WE DON'T LISTEN EXPLICITLY AND COME UP WITH A PLAN TO MITIGATE THOSE THINGS. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, AND I MADE A COPY OF A PIECE OF PAPER IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT, I ASKED MY, MY AI FRIEND CLAUDE IF HE WOULD SUMMARIZE FOR ME SOME OF THE THINKING OF THE, OF 4 WRITERS WHO I THINK HIGHLY OF TO JUST TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF CIVIC BUILDINGS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING A NEW CITY HALL. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FRESHENING UP SOME OF THE PUBLIC BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE.

I WISH THE CITY WELL, MAYBE I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T BUILD SCHOOLS, WE DON'T BUILD POST OFFICES,

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WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THE CITY AND TAKE PAY VERY CAREFUL ATTENTION AND HAVE A PLAN FOR WHAT SHOULD CHARACTERIZE THE BUILDINGS THAT BELONG TO THE CITY AND THAT REPRESENT THE CITY. SO, I'LL GIVE YOU A PIECE OF PAPER. IS IT OKAY IF I PASS THIS PAPER OUT? SURE. AND AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST SOME THOUGHTS FROM PEOPLE I RESPECT. WAS THIS THE CLAUDE, THE AI PROGRAM? YEAH. OKAY, WHAT WAS YOUR PROMPT? MY PROMPT WAS, TO I GAVE HIM THE 4 NAMES OF THE WRITERS AND SAID, WOULD YOU SUMMARIZE THEIR THOUGHT ON THE IMPORTANCE OF PUBLIC BUILDINGS? THANK YOU.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. IS THERE, MARTHA, ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE, THAT'S IT. OKAY. YES, MA'AM.

DO YOU GET 2 PIECES OF PAPER OR WHAT? I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S FRONT AND BACK.

IT'S JUST ONE PIECE OF PAPER.

YEAH, THAT'S JUST AN EXTRA. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE ON THIS. WE CAN GET DO WE HAVE A CITY ARCHITECT? I'M SORRY, DO WE HAVE A CITY ARCHITECT? DO WE HAVE A CITY ARCHITECT? WE DO NOT. IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A IS IT JOSE? NO, IT'S NOT REALLY. IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE SOMEBODY AS A CONSULTANT.

I THINK JOSE WOULD GO AROUND AND CHARACTERIZE THE BUILDINGS AND SAY I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. YEAH, BECAUSE JOHN CONNOR WAS THAT. EXACTLY. JOHN CAN'T REACH FROM THE GRAVE.

YEAH, I MEAN, I'M TALKING ABOUT EVERY BUILDING. THEY'VE DONE THAT FOR THE HISTORIC BUILDING.

YEAH, YEAH, LIKE THIS BUILDING, THE ATLANTIC REC CENTER. YEAH, WELL, NOT THE ONLY DIRECTION.

OKAY, MARGARET, YOU HAVE ONE MORE THING? NOPE. I THOUGHT YOU DID THIS. OKAY, I'M GOOD.

GOING ONE. WE'RE ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU, MARGARET. THANK YOU, GUYS. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.