Jun 02, 2026 Workshop

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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PLEASE CALL RO ROLL.

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>> PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIA.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[4.1 AIR QUALITY — Synopsis: Conserve Nassau Chair Margaret Kirkland and University of Utah Associate Professor of Chemical Engineering Dr. Kerry Kelly will provide an air quality presentation.]

>> YOU MAYBE SEATED. AND WE WILL BE LOOKING AT A PRESENTATION TODAY FROM SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WITH CONSERVE NASSAU, LED BY A SECURITY EXPERT, KELLY.

MAYBE WANT TO LEAD US UP BEFORE WE GO?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE THINGS IN REVIEWING THE LEGISLATION THAT GOVERNS THE CITY SURROUNDING AIR QUALITY.

THERE ARE SOME MENTIONS IN OUR CODE CONCERNING LAND DEVELOPMENT. IF YOU SEARCH THE WORD AIR IT COMES UP 35 TIMES. MOST OF THAT IS RELATED TO HEATING AND AIR-CONDITIONING. THERE ARE SOME REGULATIONS RELATED TO LARGE-SCALE-- WHAT IS THE RIGHT WORD, COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT TYPE OF THING.

AND AIR QUALITY THERE. REALLY, THE BULK OF WHAT WE RELY ON IS IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IN SECTION FIVE THE CONSERVATION AND COASTAL ENCOURAGEMENT ELEMENT OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE HAVE ONE SECTION ON AIR QUALITY, WITH SEVEN POLICIES. RELATED TO THAT AREA.

AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE. I WILL SAY THAT THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OF LATE IS SENDING AMPLE CORRESPONDENCE TO BOTH THE MILLS, WHICH WENT OUT IN FEBRUARY THIS YEAR. AND WE DID GET ONE RESPONSE SAYING THAT EVERYTHING WAS IN COMPLIANCE.

IN ADDITION WE HAVE ACQUIRED SOME ADDITIONAL AIR MONITORS, AND I ASK YOU TO PULL UP THE CITY WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE AIR QUALITY WEB PAGE LOOKS LIKE, AND THE LINKS WE PROVIDE THROUGH THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

WALK US THROUGH A LITTLE BIT WHAT WE SHOW ON THE WEBSITE?

>> SURE. WE WILL PULL IT UP WITH THE I.T.

TEAM. AS MISS CAMPBELL MENTIONED, WE HAVE OVERHAULED OUR WEBSITE, PROVIDED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION UNDER AIR QUALITY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY SECTION OF OUR WEBSITE. WE DID IT IN A COORDINATED EFFORT WITH CONSERVE NASSAU, AND THERE IS A LINK TO THEIR PAGE THERE AS WELL. WE PARTNERED WITH THE EPA AND WE HAVE A LOANER PROGRAM ON THE MONITORS.

2.5 MONITORS. THOSE ARE IN PLACE, WE HAVE ONE AT CITY HALL, THE CITY GOLF COURSE, ATLANTIC REC CENTERS. AND WE ARE MONITORING THAT DATA AND IMPORTING IT INTO A PORTAL. SO IT'S A ONE-YEAR PILOT PROGRAM WITHIN THOSE FOUR MONITORS. AND SOME MORE WORK TO BE HAD, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH THIS CONVERSATION

CONCERNING CONSERVE NASSAU. >> WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO OUR PRESENTERS IF THERE NO QUESTIONS FROM STAFF.

SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE IT TO MR. KIRKMAN AND MS. KELLY.

>> THANK YOU. MARGARET KIRKLAND, 1377, PLANTATION POINTE DRIVE. 'S.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> NO.

>> WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO, MRS. KIRKLAND?

>> I'M TRYING TO ADVANCE MY SLIDES.

>> I CAN DO THAT FOR YOU. >> I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR SCHEDULING THE WORKSHOP ON CLEAN AIR.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY, AND WE KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE REALLY BUSY AND WE DO APPRECIATE IT A LOT.

DO WANT TO ADVANCE THEM? SO, UP UNTIL RECENTLY I THINK WE ALL ASSUME THAT THE EPA WAS WORKING OUT FOR US IN RELATION TO POLLUTANTS AND NOW WE SEE ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE ALWAYS THOUGHT.

THEY PERCEIVED THAT THEIR ROLE IS TRANSPARENCY.

AND BEYOND THAT IS UP TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO GATHER DATA AND PERSUADE THEM THAT ANY CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE IF, IN FACT, THEY DO. SO THAT IS A LITTLE BIT

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FROM THIS WORKSHOP WE HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL HAVE ENOUGH BACKGROUND TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE FUTURE DIRECTIONS IN THE NEAR TERM FOR WHAT THE CITY CAN DO WITH AIR QUALITY.

THIS RINGS RELATIVELY NEW, AS JEREMIAH WAS SAYING, THERE IS A LONG WAY TO GO. THERE IS A LOT THAT WE NEED TO DO. WE HAVE UPDATED-- IF YOU'VE NOT LOOKED AT OUR WEBSITE LATELY, WE HAVE UPDATED THAT TO ADD...

WE HAVE UPDATED THE WINDOW AND BETTER INSTRUCTIONS AND REPORTS.

SO IT IS WORTH LOOKING AT. TONIGHT WE HAVE WITH US CARRY KELLY. WHO IS A COFOUNDER OF THIS, AND SHE WILL GIVE US SOME BACKGROUND ON HOW THIS WORKS, HOW THIS ALL WORKS, AND WHAT WE SEE THUS FAR. SHE HAS A PHD IN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE. AND A BACHELOR'S DEGREE CHEMICAL ENGINEERING. WHAT I LIKE IS HER COMMITMENT TO THE TRANSLATION OF SCIENCE IN TO THINGS THAT WORK FOR COMMU COMMUNITIES. THAT WORK IN A COMMUNITY ENVIRONMENT. SHE SERVES ON UTAH'S AIR QUALITY POLICY BOARD, AND IN 2018 SHE WAS AWARDED THE UTAH CLEAN AIR AIR QUALITY PERSON OF THE YEAR AWARD.

SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU, KAREN.

>> SHE IS MUTED. >> HELLO, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME COMMENT TALK TO YOU TODAY. IS THE SOUND OKAY? OKAY, GREAT, THANKS. I CAN'T SEE THE SLIDE FROM THIS DIRECTION. SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU ARE PAUSED. BUT IF YOU CAN MOVE TO SLIDE NUMBER 6. IT'S THE AIR QUALITY MEASUREMENTS. THAT IS WHERE I WILL START.

I WILL TALK A BIT ABOUT WHAT WE MEASURE.

THE AIR CENTERS-- AIR SENSORS ON LOANER PROGRAMS ARE AWESOME.

IT'S A GREAT START. BUT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES AS IT DOES NOT MEASURE VERY COMPREHENSIVE POLLUTION.

IT'S IMPORTANT FOR VEHICLE EMISSIONS AND OTHER THINGS, BUT I WILL SHOW YOU SOME RESULTS THAT SUGGEST THAT THEY HAVE SOME OTHER CHALLENGES THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.

AND WE MAY NEED SOME SENSORS THAT GO BEYOND THAT.

I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH PURPLE AIR AND WHAT THEY ARE.

THIS IS WHAT WE DO. WE PROVIDE SIMPLE AND ACCURATE UNDERSTANDABLE AIR QUALITY INFORMATION.

WE GATHER RAW INFORMATION FROM SENSORS AND OUR SENSORS MEASURE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS. OVER TIME WE THAT RAW DATA AND THEN WE CAN MODEL THE DATA TO PRODUCE DATA THAT IS EASY TO INTERPRET. AND CONSERVE NASA-- CONSERVE NASSAU HAS A LITTLE SCREEN WITH SOME OF OUR MEASUREMENTS AVAILABLE. OKAY.

MOVING TO SLIDE NINE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SENSING TECHNOLOGY. I WON'T TALK ABOUT IT TOO MUCH.

BUT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, YOUR SENSORS, IT'S JUST LIKE PURPLE AIR SENSING TECHNOLOGY. IT'S QUITE SIMILAR.

WE APPLY A CORRECTING FACTOR TO THAT TO MAKE SURE IT ALIGNS WELL WITH FEDERAL RECORDS. WE ALSO PROVIDE A DIFFERENT SENSOR TO MEASURE PS TEN. THAT'S LINKED TO US THROUGH A CONSTRUCTION SITE. SO PURPLE AIR AND MANY SENSORS TO REPORT THESE THINGS, BUT THERE NOT EFFECTIVE AT MEASURING

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WE MEASURED ORGANIC COMPOUNDS WITH A HIGH QUALITY DETECTOR.

THIS IS STATE-OF-THE-ART FOR MEASURING ORGANIC COMPOUNDS.

THERE ARE MANY SENSOR COMPANIES THAT CLAIM TO MEASURE THESE THINGS, BUT THE CHIEF TECHNOLOGIES TEND TO NOT BE VERY ACCURATE. WE ALSO MEASURE NITROUS OXIDE ADMISSIONS, WHICH I WILL TALK ABOUT IN A LITTLE BIT.

AND WE MEASURE CARBON DIOXIDE, WHICH IS A GOOD INDICATION OF COMBUSTION SOURCES. MOVING ON TO SLIDE NINE.

HOW IT WORKS. THIS IS A REAL WORLD MEASUREMENT. THEY COULD BE FROM OUR SENSORS, PUBLICLY AVAILABLE SENSORS. STATE REFERENCE MONITORS.

WE APPLY OUR MODELING AND CORRECTION, AND YOU CAN BRING THE DATA-- THEY HAVE ONE WHERE YOU CAN MASTER ALL THE DATA.

SLIDE NUMBER 10, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE LIKELY A CONCERN IN THE AREA ARE SALFORD DIOXIDE. THIS IS CAUSED BY SOFTWARE FROM COAL, ENGINES, PULP FOR PAPER, OIL BURNING, AND ESSO TWO EMISSIONS. AND THIS CAN LEAD TO ASTHMA EXACERBATION AND RESPIRATORY SYMPTOMS LIKE LONG IRRITATION AND-- LONG IRRITATION AND COUGHING.

AND ANOTHER CHALLENGE THAT I'M TOLD YOUR COMMUNITY HAS BIG PROBLEMS WITH IS H2 S. THAT ROTTEN EGG SMELL.

THAT CAN LEAD TO IRRITATION OF THE LUNGS.

SO THESE ARE THE MAIN CAUSES. AND I LISTERIA THE TYPICAL ORDER THRESHOLD IS .53. THAT SEA LEVEL THAT DEPENDING ON WHO WE ARE, THEN YOU AND I COULD TYPICALLY DETECT IT.

THERE IS A HIGHER LEVEL TALKED ABOUT WHERE JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY CAN SMELL IT. AND THEN SLIDE 11.

ONE OF YOUR SITES IS SHOWING A CYCLICAL PATTERN, AND O2 THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S RELATED TO VEHICLE EMISSIONS EVEN THE TIME OF DAY. AND IT CAN CAUSE ASTHMA EXACERBATIONS AND OTHER RESPIRATORY SYSTEMS. AND THE OTHER TWO COME FROM COMBUSTION SOURCES.

FOSSIL FUEL AND DIESEL ENGINES. IT CAN AFFECT GASOLINE ENGINES AS WELL. AND THEN THERE IS THE CONCENTRATION. AND THEN THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE PURPLE AIR SENSORS ARE GOOD AT MEASURING.

IT'S A GOOD INDICATOR OF COMBUSTION.

YOU CAN GET REACTIONS THAT HAPPEN IN AN ATMOSPHERE.

AND INFORMED PARTICLES OF THIS SIZE RANGE.

AND THERE IS PM10 WHICH IS LARGER.

THAT TENDS TO BE MECHANICALLY GENERATED PARTICLES FROM CONSTRUCTION OR UNPAVED ROADS OR GRAVEL OPERATION.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE LIKELY THE BIGGEST CONCERNS IN YOUR COMMUNITY. SO I'LL TALK A BIT ABOUT CALIBRATION. AND WHAT HAPPENS OVER TIME.

THERE IS TWO FORMS OF CALIBRATION SITES ESTATE-- TESTING. PRECISION TESTING MEANS THAT EVERYTHING MEASURES THE SAME. SO THIS SENSOR WOULD CALIBRATE THOSE. THE OTHER GAS SENSORS COME CALIBRATED FROM THE MAIN MANUFACTURER.

AND AND OVER TIME IN THE FIELD WE WORK ON BIAS CORRECTION.

AND THEN WE HAVE TOOLS FOR IDENTIFYING POORLY PERFORMING CENTERS-- SENSORS ON SLIDE 13 AT THIS POINT.

WE CAN ALSO IDENTIFY THINGS THAT ARE OFF-LINE AND OUTSIDE THE UP-- OPERATING RANGE OR CONTINUOUSLY MEASURING THE SAME CONCENTRATIONS. THESE ARE LOWER-COST SENSORS.

SO THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING OUR MEASUREMENTS AND THEY STRUGGLE MORE WITH QUALITY. BUT ALL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE.

AND AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, WE ARE LOOKING FOR TRENDS, AND THE CALIBRATION IS IN PROCESS.

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THIS IS SLIDE 14. AND YOU SHOULD SEE THE FIRST ONE. THE FIRST SHOWS YOU ESSO TWO CONCENTRATION CONCERNING NASA'S TECH.

AND I CAN'T SEE THIS ON MY SCREEN.

1:00 A.M., YOU SEE A SPIKE IN ESSO TWO.

NOW YOU SEE. OKAY.

NOW AT BROOM STREET WE SEE ANOTHER ESSO TWO PEAK AT 1:00 A.M. AND CONSERVE NASA DOWNTOWN SEES A SPIKE AROUND EGGS AND OIL AND GAS, AND IF WE LOOK AT CONSERVE NASA DOWNTOWN, THIS IS A MUCH SMALLER PEAK, WE SEE A PECAN CO2. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM, BUT IT MIGHT SUGGEST THAT THERE IS A SOURCE.

IT WOULD BE UNUSUAL TO HAVE THESE ALL COINCIDING AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. THAT WOULD SUGGEST TO ME THAT THERE IS A SOURCE OF ESSO TWO AND H2 S IS COMING INTO THIS COMMUNITY. AND SO THAT-- IF YOU COMBINE THAT WITH MAYBE SOME OTHER COMPLAINTS, IF YOU LOOK AT WIND DIRECTION, YOU CAN PINPOINT WHERE THAT MIGHT BE COMING FROM.

ON SLIDE 15, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MEASUREMENT.

THESE ARE INTENDED FOR COMMUNITY-BASED MEASUREMENTS.

THERE ARE THREE MEASUREMENTS. THEY CAN BE INDICATORS OF A PROBLEM. JUST LIKE THAT EXAMPLE I SHOWED YOU FROM LAST WEEK. THESE COINCIDING PEAKS AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS. THESE KIND OF THING SAY, HEY,, THERE MAYBE A PROBLEM, THIS IS WORTH LOOKING INTO.

AND THAT'S WHAT COMMUNITY-BASED SENSORS ARE GOOD AT DOING.

THEY ARE NOT REGULATORY MEASUREMENTS AND THEY CANNOT BE USED FOR REGULATORY PURPOSES. YOU DON'T SAY, HEY,, ARE VIOLATING AIR QUALITY STANDARDS. YOU CAN SAY, HEY, IT LOOKS LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM. WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK INTO THIS FURTHER. AND THEY ARE A KEY CONTRIBUTOR TO WAGE COMPETITIVENESS. WITH A ROTTEN EGG SMELL, IF YOU HAD A ODOR COMPLAINT YOU COULD LOOK AT LIKE HERE IS ONE I SAW A SPIKE. WHEN I SAW AN OLDER COMPLAINT.

SO THIS IS PART OF THE WEIGHTED EVIDENCE THAT IF THERE IS A PROBLEM THIS WILL HELP YOU IDENTIFY IT.

OKAY. SO WE DID A 90 DAY STUDY HERE.

NOVEMBER THROUGH JANUARY APPROXIMATELY.

AND WE ESTIMATED THAT THESE CONCENTRATIONS SUGGEST NUMEROUS HOURLY EXCEEDANCES OF A THRESHOLD AND THAT NATIONAL AMBIENT AIR QUALITY STANDARD. AND OVER A 90 DAY PERIOD WE HAD THIS EVERY HOUR, EVERY DAY THAT EXCEEDED THE ORDER.

AND ABOUT A THIRD OF THE MEASUREMENT-- A THIRD OF THE DAYS-- WHEN AT LEAST ONE HOUR EXCEEDED THE EPA MAX.

SO THOSE MEASUREMENTS ARE STILL INDICATORS, ARE NOT REGULATORY, BUT THEY DO INDICATE THAT THOSE POLLUTANTS MAYBE A PROBLEM FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. AND THE DOWNTOWN LOCATION HASN'T O2 MONITOR THAT IS AN INDICATOR OF VEHICLE TRAFFIC.

AND WE ARE SEEING A DIRE LITTLE PATTERN AROUND THE MORNING AND EVENING RUSH HOURS THAT DO INDICATE THAT THAT SITE, THAT I BELIEVE HAS NO CHILDREN AND IT IS EXPERIENCING ELEVATED LEVELS OF O2. WERE LOOKING TO GET BETTER ESTIMATES OF WHAT THE CONCENTRATIONS ARE.

AND IF YOUR COMMUNITY IS INTERESTED IN EXTRA STEPS, I HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS TO CONSIDER.

ONE WOULD BE TWO TO FOUR ADDITIONAL SENSING NODES.

ONE WILL GIVE YOU WIND DIRECTION.

AND I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS TO FOCUS ON WOULD BE HUS AND ESSO TO. -- S02.

IDEALLY YOU'D WANT TO COMMISSION A STUDY.

YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THE STATES TO DO THIS FOR YOU.

OR YOU COULD PAY SOMEONE TO DO IT.

IDEALLY YOU WOULD LOOK AT SOME OF THESE SPIKES AND LOOK AT WIND FIGURE OUT WHERE THESE-- THE ELEVATED LEVELS OF HUS AND S02

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THIS ALSO WOULD NOT BE THAT HARD TO DO, IF I.T. WAS INTERESTED IN IT YOU COULD DEVELOP IN ORDER-- ODOR COMPLAINT FORM WHERE YOU WOULD PUT THIS ON THE GOOGLE COMPLAINT FORM AND TRACK THOSE.

THAT'S ALL PART OF THE WEIGHTED EVIDENCE.

AND YOU COULD CONSIDER TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THE N0 TWO CONCENTRATIONS. THAT THE CONSERVATION MASS OUT LOCATION. AND YOU COULD GO TO THE STATES TO SEE IF THEY WOULD COME IN FOR REFERENCE RESEARCH GRADE CONSULTATION THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A SUPER ACCURATE ESTIMATE OF SOME OF THESE CONCENTRATIONS. AND THAT WOULD BE A FURTHER SUPPORT OF THE WEIGHT ADDED. ONE THING I WAKASHAN IS SOMETIMES WILL-- SOMEONE WILL PUT SOMETHING OUT AND IF YOU HAVE THESE SUBMISSIONS AT GO UP AND DOWN, IF YOU LOOK AT CONCENTRATION OVER A WEEKLY AVERAGE, THEY MAYBE FINE.

BUT IT WOULD BE HARD IF ON AN HOUR TO HOUR BASIS YOU MAYBE EXCEEDING IN ODOR THRESHOLD, OR THE NATIONAL AIR QUALITY STANDARD. AND IN THE PRESENTATION ON SLIDE 18 I HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM TELL US, AND SOME ARTICLES THAT TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED. AND I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO

CONSERVE NASA TO WRAP IT UP. >> THANK YOU, MS. KELLY.

>> SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR CARY KELLY, MAYBE WE CAN DO THAT FIRST AND LOOK AT RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> HELLO, MS. KELLY. IF YOU WERE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE ADD A FEW MORE SENSORS, WHICH YOU RECOMMEND WHERE TO PUT THEM IN TERMS OF SPREADING THEM OUT BETTER? TRIANGULATING? ELEVATION?

>> WE SHOULD BE TECHNICAL ABOUT WHERE THE WE PLACE THEM.

AND IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, I KNOW YOU HAVE SEASONAL CHANGES IN WIND DIRECTION GENERALLY.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT, AND THAT YOU HAVE A GOOD SURROUNDING OF YOUR COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK YOU KNOW ARE SOME OF THE POTENTIAL MIGHT BE WHERE YOU THINK THE MAXIMUM LEVEL WOULD BE.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE FIRST SPOT, INSTEAD OF SITTING DOWN WITH A

MAP AND HAVING A DISCUSSION. >> I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING A BIT FURTHER SOUTH THAN WHERE WE HAVE THEM NOW.

ALSO IN THE OLD TOWN THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MOVING ONE UP

THERE. >> I AM JUST WANT TO KNOW, HOW MANY TELL US SENSORS DOES CONSERVE NASA HAVE NOW?

>> WE HAVE FOUR. SO MAYBE A COUPLE MORE WOULD DO IT TO GET THE CORE OF THIS CITY. IN MY MIND THAT'S NOT FOREVER.

IN MY MIND WE GET THAT AND WE GET SOME DATA AND SEE WE CAN COME UP WITH AND RIGHTFULLY EXPAND IT TO COVER THE REST OF THE ISLAND, MAYBE PART OF THE MAIN LINE AS WELL.

BUT WE ALREADY HAVE ONE METEOROLOGICAL MONITOR AND WE DO NEED, AS WAS SAID, WE NEED ANOTHER ONE.

YOU WANT TO ADVANCE THE SLIDES, PLEASE?

>> CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION TO MS. KELLY? MS. KELLY, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THAT WE-- TO CLARIFY, THAT WE COMMUNICATE FIRST FEE FOR THE FEDERAL EPA?

OR FIRST WITH OUR STATE? >> I WOULD WORK FIRST WITH YOUR STATE. BEFORE TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM.

I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY GO-- YOU WOULD GET A MUCH QUICKER

RESPONSE BACK IN MY EXPERIENCE. >> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

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>> I AGREE WITH THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE MERIT DATA. THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.

I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL TWO MONITORS, ONE OF WHICH HAS A METEOROLOGICAL METER, AT SOME POINT, PROBABLY WITHIN THE YEAR, MAYBE END OF THE YEAR OR SOMETHING WE WILL HAVE DATA SO WE CAN HAVE A MAJOR STUDY. AND AS CARY WAS SAYING, ONE THAT PROVIDES THE EVIDENCE THAT WE NEED ON THIS.

AND THAT CAN BE CONTRACTED WITH THE COMPANY FIRST AS CARY SUGGESTED. WE CAN SEE WHAT THEY WOULD DO, WHETHER THEY WOULD PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I HAVE NO IDEA. BUT THAT IS WHAT WE ARE CALLING A MAJOR INDEPENDENT STUDY. WITH AN VIRAL SUITES.

AND THEY ARE KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR ALL OF THE TIME.

BUT WE ARE NOT THERE YET. ANOTHER THOUGHT IS IF THE CITY COULD EXPAND THEIR WEBSITE, AS MS. KELLY IS POINTING OUT, TO INCLUDE A WAY TO PROCESS COMPLAINTS.

TO ISSUE ALERTS. TO REPORT ON THE QUALITY.

AND PERIODICALLY, EBIT-- EITHER EVERY SIX MONTHS OR SO TO PROVIDE AN-- PROFESSIONAL INTERPRETATION.

SO WE HAVE ONE SUCH REPORT ON OUR WEBSITE.

BUT WE WILL BE DOING ANOTHER ONE SOON.

THOSE ARE THINGS WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE CITY TO DO I'M ALWAYS INTO COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. SO I PUT ON HERE THINGS THAT I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT.

THAT I THINK THE TWO BE DEALT WITH AND ARE UP FOR DISCUSSION-- THAT AREN'T UP FOR DISCUSSION TODAY.

BUT JUST SO WE SEE THE AIR QUALITY OVER HERE.

SO THAT SOMETHING IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE IN MIND TO BE DOING.

I DON'T KNOW IF JEREMIAH ALREADY HAS IDEAS FOR ENHANCING THE WEBSITE, OR IF THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION OF A MATRIX STUDY OR NOT. BUT SINCE A MAJOR STUDY COULD BE WITHIN THIS BUDGET, THIS UPCOMING BUDGET PERIOD, THEN I THOUGHT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TALK ABOUT IT.

>> THANK YOU, MS. KIRKLAND. DO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS

FOR MS. KIRKLAND OR MS. KELLY? >> HOW MUCH MORE ARE THE STUDIES? WHAT DOES IT COST TO DO A STUDY?

>> DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU DIFFERENT RATES.

MAYBE 32,000 OR SOMETHING GREAT. >> THERE ARE DIFFERENT NUMBERS.

TELLUS FINISH THEIR ANALYSIS AT ABOUT 8000.

BUT WE LIKE TO EXPAND THE MONITORS.

AND OTHER COMPANIES MIGHT CHARGE THEM UP TO COMPARE THE RATES.

BUT YOU PROBABLY WANT TO BUDGET SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30 AND 50,000 IF YOU WANT A STRONG COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

-- A STRONG STUDY. >> IT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION.

>> ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BEFORE RETURN IT BACK OVER TO STAFF? TO HAVE DISCUSSION AMONGST THE

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JEREMIAH, TO JOB ANYTHING ELSE FOR US?

>> WE HAVE AND EXPLORED HER CONVERSATION WITH THEM AS WELL, AND THE PRICE TAG IS 55,000 FOR THE FULL IMPACT STUDY.

>> OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. AND WE WILL BE THINKING ABOUT THOSE IN TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THESE THINGS SO THAT WE CAN EXPAND WHAT WE HAVE. BUT ALSO I'D LIKE TO THANK CARY FOR COMING HERE AND FOR SHARING THAT WITH US.

I HAVE TO SAY THAT TELLUS HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY HELPFUL.

THEY HAVE DONE A LOT TO EDUCATE US.

AND THEY HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF PATIENCE.

SO WE ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPPORTING US VERY WELL AND EDUCATING US. AND A COUPLE DAYS AGO WE HAD OUR AIR VIEW SITE WAS DOWN DUE TO TRAFFIC.

AND AS SOON AS WE NOTIFIED THEM THEY DEALT WITH IT.

VERY RESPONSIVE. SO THAT HAS BEEN GREAT.

>> THANK YOU, MS. KIRKLAND. >> I'D LIKE TO OPEN TO THE COMMISSION FOR SOME DISCUSSION. BECAUSE THERE IS CAUSE TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AIR QUALITY.

MY QUESTION WOULD BE HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE IF WE MAKE THE FIRST STEP TOWARDS GATHERING DATA THAT IS NOT A HUGE STEP IN UTILITY, THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTION ITEM THAT FOLLOWS.

WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT? >> I AGREE.

OUR NUMBER 1 GOAL IS TO GATHER MORE DATA AND BECOME THE SQUEAKY WHEEL. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING FOR US. AS WE HAVE BEEN TOLD, UNLESS WE HAVE ENOUGH WEIGHT OF EVIDENCE. SO UNLESS WE GIVE THEM ENOUGH DATA, AND CONVINCE THEM, AND THEY NEED TO BRING IN BETTER EQUIPMENT, BUT THEY AGREE THAT IT'S OF RESEARCH QUALITY SO I KNOW THE BUDGET WILL BE EXTRA TIGHT THIS YEAR.

ABOUT WHAT WILL-- CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN TALLAHASSEE. I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN OBTAINING TWO MORE MONITORS AND GETTING ONE MORE METEOROLOGICAL MONITOR, AND INTO OUR WEBSITE, THAT THERE IS A QUICK AND EASY ODER COMPLAINT BUTTON. THAT'S A VERY EASY PIECE OF DATA THAT ANYBODY CAN-- ADD. AT ANY TIME.

AND THAT WE ENGAGE SOMETIME IN PROFESSIONAL STUDY TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE DATA. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WILL BE LIKE $50,000.

IT'S A BIG LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET.

>> YES, IT IS. >> THAT COUNTS MONITORS?

>> TWO MORE MONITORS. A METEOROLOGICAL MONITOR.

AND THAT IS AN VIRAL SUITE. I THINK.

IF WE WERE POTENTIALLY TO ENGAGE TELLUS WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THEM TO DO A SECOND ROUND OF STUDY.

DID I HEAR THE NUMBER 8? I DON'T KNOW.

>> WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM ON FRIDAY.

AND WE HAVE MET WITH THEM BEFORE.

I THINK THERE RATES ARE LOWERED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE EQUIPMENT WE HAVE. AND BECAUSE WE HAVE GOOD

EQUIPMENT. >> BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT HERE CAN WE DIRECT STAFF TO PUT NRP TOGETHER? BUT I HEAR WHAT THE MAYOR IS SAYING.

YOU GATHERED THIS DATA, AND FOR WHAT?

WHERE DOES IT GO? >> MY QUESTION TO THE COMMISSION IS OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE USE THESE MONITORS FOR INDICATORS AND THEN PURSUED THE FURTHER STUDY, WHAT ACTIONS HAVE THE REGULATORY AGENCIES TAKEN ONCE THEY RECEIVE THAT STUDY?

>> THAT'S MY QUESTION AS WELL. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN

ACTIONABLE STEP WITH THE DATA. >> I PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHERE THE SMELL IS COMING FROM WITHOUT THE MONITORS.

THAT ROTTEN EGG SMELL. IT COMES FROM THE BILLS.

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WE SPEND THIS DOLLAR TO GET THIS INFO AND THEN WHAT? TO THE CITY MANAGERS POINT, WHAT HAS OTHER COMMUNITIES DONE AND WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME FROM THEM THAT GOING TO THEIR SOURCE OF

POLLUTION, OR AIR POLLUTION. >> WE WILL HAVE ONE SPEAKER AT A TIME AND I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THE SPEAKERS SO WE DON'T START TALKING OVER EACH OTHER. I'D LIKE TO TURN THE QUESTION TO THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT WHAT THE LEGAL PRECEDENT MIGHT HAVE BEEN.

>> I HAVEN'T RESEARCHED IT YET. I DID LOOK UP THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROLS UNDER CHAPTER 403 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES.

AND ANY KIND OF POLLUTION OR AIR QUALITY ORDINANCE, POLLUTION CONTROL PROGRAM, WOULD NEED TO BE CONSIDERED-- SUBMITTED TO BE APPROVED. SO I FOUND THAT.

AND I FOUND, I DON'T KNOW IF JEREMIAH HAS THOUGHT OF THIS, IT MAYBE ON THE WEBSITE. WE-- CITIZENS CAN SEND COMPLAINTS IN EVEN WITHOUT THESE MONITORS.

THEY CAN REPORT THEIR OWN EXPERIENCES WITH DUST OR SMELL OR SOMETHING. SO WE COULD AT LEAST PUT THAT ON THE WEBSITE AND LET THE CITIZENS SUBMIT.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT I'VE NOT LOOKED AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS YET. FOR TODAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF OUR SPEAKER, MS. KIRKLAND, I SEE SHE'S ABOUT TO JUMP OUT OF HER SCANNER OVER THERE.

MAYBE ONE OF THEM CAN ANSWER WHAT OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THEY KNOW OF AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

AND I CAN LOOK AT IT. >> BEFORE WE STARTED GETTING THE MONITORS. BE FOR WE FOUND TELLUS, WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON ALL-- NOT ALL, BUT MANY OF THE CITIES, TOWNS, ACADEMIES, REGIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THESE ISSUES. AND HOW THEY DEALT WITH IT, WHAT COMPANIES THEY USED. WHAT OUTCOMES THEY HAD.

HOW THOSE OUTCOMES PLAYED OUT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT IF YOU HAVE RESULTS THAT SHOW YOU WHERE THE EMISSIONS COME FROM, AND IT COULD COME FROM MANY PLACES.

IT'S NOT JUST THE MILLS. BUT IF YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS YOU THAT, OFTEN THOSE COMPANIES, THOSE ORGANIZATIONS WILL COME FORWARD AND DO SOMETHING THEMSELVES TO MITIGATE THE SITUATION. AND WE HAVE SEEN THAT IN A NUMBER OF CASES. IN FACT THAT HAPPENED WITH FOUR OF THE COMPANIES IN JACKSONVILLE.

THREE OF THE FOUR. SO IT'S-- AND JACKSONVILLE IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HOPING FOR.

AND THAT WOULD BE I THINK A POSITIVE OUTCOME FOR EVERYONE.

>> THANK YOU, MS. KIRKLAND. COMMISSIONER?

>> I THINK THERE ARE-- TO YOUR POINT THAT COMMISSIONER, THERE ARE CONTROLS THAT INDUSTRY CAN DO TO CONTROL EMISSIONS.

THEY ARE EXPENSIVE AND LIKELY OUR ABILITY TO ENFORCE THEM AS CLOSE TO ZERO. I THINK WE NEED THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO INTERVENE WITH ENFORCEMENT.

IF DATA INDICATES THAT THEY ARE IN VIOLATION.

AND IT WOULDN'T BE OUR MONITORS DATA, IT WOULD BE A THREE PRONG STEP. OUR MONITORS OF DATA THAT TICKLE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ENOUGH TO MAKE THEM BRING IN RESEARCH QUALITY MONITORS THAT PRODUCE DATA THAT EPA WILL THEN LISTEN TO.

AND EPA WILL REQUIRE ENFORCEMENT.

BUT I THINK THAT'S A LONG STEP. IF WE DON'T TAKE THE FIRST STEP WE NEVER GET THERE. AND I THINK I'M SLIGHTLY WRONG.

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>> I'D LIKE TO DRESSY SPEAKERS AS WE GO, OTHERWISE WE WILL ENGAGE THE AUDIENCE AND IT WILL GET DICEY HERE.

>> SEVERAL MONTHS AGO I MET WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING PEOPLE AT WEST ROCK. WHO TELL ME THEY DO AIR QUALITY MONITORING IN THEIR STATS EVERY 15 SECONDS.

EVERY SINGLE DAY 24 HOURS PER DAY.

AND THEY REPORT ALL OF THAT DATA TO THE EPA.

AND THEY ARE WITHIN THE GUIDELINES.

WE TALK ABOUT THE SMELL. EVERY TIME MY IRRIGATION SYSTEM RUNS, WHICH IS ONCE A WEEK NOW, I SMELL SO FAR.

AND EVERY TIME I NEIGHBORS IRRIGATION SYSTEMS RUN, OR ON WELLS, I SMELL SOLVER. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE CREATING THAT SMELL. BESIDES WHAT WE THINK OF AS THE MILLS. AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE CULPRITS OF THIS WHOLE THING.

SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO SPEND MONEY AND SAID-- TO DO SOME THINGS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO DRIVE TO RESULTS. BECAUSE THESE MILLS, RYAN WON'T TALK TO US RIGHT NOW. BUT WEST ROCK IS HAPPY TO TALK TO US. THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE.

SO UNLESS THERE IS-- WE HAVE INDUSTRIAL STUFF ALL AROUND US, AS A CITY. WHERE ALL OF THESE MONITORS ARE CURRENTLY CONCENTRATED. WE HAVE A PORT, A MARINA, A RAILROAD THAT COMES IN HERE A BUNCH OF TIMES A DAY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD CREATE THIS ISSUE.

AND NONE OF THEM ARE WITHIN OUR PURVIEW OF COMPLIANCE AND MANAGEMENT. SO I'M JUST VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE THIS WOULD TAKE US OVER THE LONG RUN, AND THAT WE WOULD SPEND MONEY THAT DOES NOT SOLVE ANYTHING.

>> I AGREE. IT'S A HUGE RISK.

AND WE HAVE A WELL. AND IF I WATER OUR GARDEN I HAVE A SMALL-- STRONG SULFURS SMELL ALSO.

>> THEN PEOPLE WILL FILE COMPLAINTS ON WELL WATER NOW.

WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WERE TALKING ABOUT.

>> BUT I DO THINK THAT WE CLEARLY HAVE AN ISSUE.

CLEARLY THE FOUR MONITORS THAT WE HAVE ARE SHOWING THAT WE HAVE SPIKES OF VIOLATIONS THAT-- AT 1:00 A.M.

THREE DIFFERENT CHEMICALS. AND I THINK IT WARRANTS INVESTIGATION. IF THERE ARE CHEMICALS THAT ARE HARMFUL TO THE HEALTH. AND WHILE I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, THERE IS A RISK THAT IT GOES TO CLEANER AIR.

WHICH IN MY OPINION IS A FUNDAMENTAL THING THE CITY PROVIDES. WE PROVIDE FIRE AND POLICE IN

CLEAN-AIR AND CLEAN WATER. >> WE DON'T PROVIDE CLEAN AIR.

IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW OF THE CITY.

IT'S IN THE PURVIEW OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

>> I THINK IT'S IN OUR PURVIEW TO PROTECT IT OR LOOK OUT FOR IT. AND HELP PROTECT AND LOOK OUT

FOR IT. >> BUT WE CANNOT CONTROL THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO BE

CLEAR WITH EVERYBODY. >> IF I COULD GET TO MS. KIRKLAND, I HAVE ONE PERSON WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK PLEASE. IF YOU COULD FILL OUT A FORM WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED. THANK YOU.

>> I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

NUMBER 1, A FEW ISSUES, PURPLE AIR MONITORS ARE NOT ENOUGH AS CARREY SAID. THEY DON'T MEASURE OUT POLLUTANTS. NUMBER 2, WE KNOW NOW THAT THERE ARE SPIKES IN SOME POLLUTANTS THAT WE KNOW ARE GENERATED IN THE AIR. THOUGH SPIKES ARE SERIOUS AND THEY ARE HOT. AND THEY ARE PROLONGED.

MORE THAN ONE HOUR. WE DON'T REALLY READ AVERAGES.

WE READ CONCENTRATIONS IN THE AIR.

TO YOUR POINT DENISE, LET ME DISPUTE THAT.

AND I KNOW ABOUT THIS. THE MONITORS THAT THE MILLS HAVE OUR CONTINUOUS SUBMISSION MONITORS SYSTEMS. AND ALTHOUGH THEY MIGHT MEASURE EVERY 15 SECONDS, CARREY CAN EXPLAIN THIS FURTHER, YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE WEATHER INVERSION,

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FINAL POINT, AND I KNOW I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME, I'M HAPPY TO EXPAND MORE. THIS DOES NOT NECESSARILY LEAD TO A CONCLUSION. AND IT'S HAPPEN TO ME WHEN I MANAGED THESE COMPANIES. NOT ALL THIS IS A CONSTANT.

WHETHER IT'S THE MILLS OR SOMEBODY ELSE BUT FOR EXAMPLE THE MILLS. THEY CHANGE PRODUCTION GRADES EVERY SO OFTEN. WHEN THEY CHANGE PRODUCTION GREATLY EMISSIONS THAT COME OUT ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME.

AND THIS IS HAPPEN TO ME PERSONALLY, WHERE THE ISSUES ARE UNKNOWN. WHEN WE READ THEM OVER HERE THEY ARE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING, AND SOMETIMES THAT LEADS TO PROBLEM-SOLVING, NOT NECESSARILY THROUGH CONFRONTATION, BUT TO SAY I DID NOT REALIZE THAT, I DID NOT REALIZE I COULD USE THIS GRADE.

NOW LET ME TREAT THIS AND MAKE THIS CHANGE AND THE PROBLEM IS GONE. SO THERE IS NOTHING WRONG, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP.

UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON. IF YOU LOOK AT WEST ROCK, I KNOW OF THEM AND THEY KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO DO IT'S RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND I DON'T DOUBT THAT.

BUT KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. AND IT'S UNDERSTANDING WHAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING TO OUR COMMUNITY.

WE WILL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY EVIDENCE TO GO AFTER THESE AREAS.

BUT IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO SAY LOOK, WE'VE SEEN SPIKES.

AND IT'S TOO HIGH. IT'S TOO HIGH.

AND WHY? AND THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS WEATHER STATION SO WE CAN PINPOINT WHERE IT COMES FROM, AND THROUGH MORE DATA, HAVE A PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION AND SAY WHAT ARE WE DOING. AND THEN WE HAVE AN OPTION, BECAUSE THE SOURCES ARE THE MARSH, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAYBE, BUT WE WILL HAVE THE INFORMATION.

SO LET'S NOT BE AFRAID. WE HAVE TO STEP AWAY FROM ALL THESE BEING A CONFRONTATION. THERE IS AN ISSUE, AND WITH MORE DATA WE CAN UNDERSTAND IT AND HOPEFULLY SOLVE IT.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.

>> THANK YOU. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

AUDIENCE BEFORE YOU SPEAK? >> FRANK.

WHEN THE COMMISSIONERS WERE ASKING ABOUT AN ACTION PLAN AND WHERE THE DATA COULD GO FOR THIS, UNDER THE CLEAN AIR ACT AND THE CLEAN WATER ACT, ANY THIRD PARTY BE IT A COMMISSION FOR A CITY OR A CITIZENS ACTION GROUP HAS THE ABILITY TO FILE SUIT AGAINST ANY FIRMS, OR-- WHERE A VIOLATION IS EVEN SUPPOSED. SO COLLECTION OF THIS DATA, THAT'S HOW SIERRA CLUB HAS MADE THEIR MONEY FOR THE LAST 70 YEARS. IS THAT ANYBODY CAN SUE UNDER POOR COMPLIANCE UNDER THE CLEAN AIR ACT AND CLEAN WATER ACT. SO YOU'RE SAYING WHAT THE ULTIMATE POINT OF THIS IS, THE PROBLEM IS IDENTIFIED IN THOSE SOURCES, SPECIFIC POINT SOURCES. THERE IS AN AVENUE FOR EITHER A LAWSUIT OR A SETTLEMENT TO IMPROVE THE AIR QUALITY.

>> THANK YOU. MISCO FIELD, AND THEN WE WILL WRAP UP OUR DISCUSSION ON THE COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE.

>> KATHY SCHOFIELD. I'VE BEEN DRIVING A LOT OF THIS.

BUT TRANSPARENCY IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE ENTIRE CITY TO SEE WHAT WE ARE BREATHING AND TO KNOW AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THE AIR WERE BREATHING AND OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH IN KALAMAZOO MICHIGAN, JACKSONVILLE AND OTHER AREAS.

WHEN YOU PROVIDE THE TRANSPARENCY, EVEN THOUGH THERE MAYBE SOME CONFLICT IN THE BEGINNING, MANY TIMES IT HAS WORKED IN COLLABORATION AND MITIGATION.

THE TECHNOLOGY IS THERE. THERE ARE MANY KINDS OF TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN LEAVE US NEAR ZERO EMISSIONS.

AND IF WE DO NOTHING WE ARE STUCK.

BUT IF WE DO SOMETHING WE WILL CONTINUALLY IMPROVE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY AND WELFARE OF OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT. AND PROTECT OUR TOURIST INDUSTRY, WHICH IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT.

>> THANK YOU, MISS SCHOFIELD. DO I HAVE CONSENSUS AMONG THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT SOME RFP'S FROM COMPANIES AND SEE WHAT THE PROPOSALS WOULD INCLUDE FINANCIALLY AND WHAT THE SCOPE WILL BE, AND WE CAN MAKE A DECISION WHEN IT COMES TO THE AGENDA? OR ARE THERE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT NEXT STEPS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE?

>> I WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO SEE WHAT COSTS WE ARE LOOKING AT, AND CONSIDERING EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS GOING ON, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BEFORE WE GO OUT AND PUT OUT RFPS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. WHAT IS THIS STUFF GOING TO COST

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AND I AGREE, ANYONE CAN SUE. THAT'S A HARD ROAD TO GO DOWN THAT PATH. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH SPENDING A LOT OF DOLLARS RIGHT NOW ON THIS TYPE OF THING.

I'M A RESULTS-ORIENTED TYPE OF PERSON.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF RESULTS WE HAVE BEFORE WE SPEND

IT. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

>> I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ASKING STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER-- MIGHT NEED THEM TO PUT TOGETHER A FULL RFP.

THAT'S A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY. BUT BRING SOME KIND OF PROPOSAL TO US OF WHAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY DO? IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS MORE, OR WHAT COULD WE REASONABLY LOOK AT? I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE BUDGET. WHAT WE ARE FACING COME JANUARY 1. THAT IS NEXT YEAR.

OKAY. BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT MOVING FORWARD. 30 TO $50,000 IN THE BUDGET TO HAVE A PROPER STUDY DONE THAT WE CAN PRESENT TO FLORIDA D VP AND SAY WE THINK WE HAVE THIS ISSUE, COME AND HELP US.

>> ONE IN FAVOR AND ONE AGAINST. ANY COMMENTS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, I WILL WRAP UP WITH THAT I SHARE THE FINANCIAL CONCERNS AND I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION, BUT AS MENTIONED EARLIER THE BIGGEST THING IS TO KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEP WILL BE. I THINK WE DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION. I WOULD ALWAYS GIVE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH CONSERVE-- WITH CONSERVE NASSAU TO SEE WHERE WE CAN GO NEXT.

AND SEE WHAT WE CAN FORM TOGETHER ON TO DO THIS.

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT CONSENSUS HAS BEEN EXPRESSED.

>> THREE HAVE SPOKEN AND TWO HAVE NOT.

>> IT'S 2-1, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW WE.

>> OTHERWISE WE HAVE A LACK OF MAJORITY.

>> I'D LIKE TO SEE. >> THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO FOR NEXT STEPS.

MAJOR WEBSITE REDEVELOPMENT, WE CAN PLAY SOME INFORMATION IN A BETTER PLACE. THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT CAN BE LINKED TO THE WEBSITE AS FAR AS RECORDING AT THE FTE LEVEL AND DELETE-- THE HIRING LEVEL. CERTAIN STEPS THAT YOU CAN DO IN THE MEANTIME. VICE MAYOR?

>> I THINK THOSE COMMISSIONERS FOR BEING POLITICALLY CORRECT IN THEIR STATEMENTS. BUT I HAVE TO AGREE.

WITH WHERE THEY ARE WITH IT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE INFORMATION FROM STAFF AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN ACTION PLAN OF WHAT COULD BE DONE IF WE WERE TO FIND ANYTHING.

I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE DONE THIS BUDGET YEAR, BUT IT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE COULD LOOK THROUGH.

THE BUDGET PROCESS HAS STARTED NOW.

HOW AN EVEN KNOW WHAT SILO THIS WOULD FALL UNDER IN TERMS OF OUR BUDGET. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE COULD PUT IT IN TERMS-- IT HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE.

WE HAVE TO FIND A SILO FOR IT TO GO IN.

SO THAT IS WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT WORK GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. SO JUST SEEING IF IT IS AVAILABLE. THE BELT IS GOING TO GET TIGHTENED. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.

>> WOULD IT BE... YOU HAVE THREE COMMISSIONERS ON THE SAME PAGE. THANK YOU.

WITH THAT WE WILL CLOSE

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.