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>> MAYOR MILLER: GOOD EVENING. THIS IS THE CITY OF 15 FERNANDINA REGULAR MEETING. IT IS DECEMBER 17, 2019. IT IS 6:00 P.M. MADAM CLERK, IF WE COULD PLEASE CALL ROLL MA'AM PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION BY PASTOR DEWANE CAMPBELL OF THE ELM STREET CHURCH OF GOD.

ETERNAL GOD WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENCE AND POWER IN THE MIDST OF US. WE ASK FOR YOUR WISDOM AND GUIDANCE AS WE DISCUSS THE BUSINESS OF OUR CITY. WE PRAY THAT YOU WILL UNDER GERD OUR MAYOR, THE VICE MAYOR AND THE CITY OFFICIALS AS THEY BEGIN TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS THAT WILL IMPACT US. WE PRAY YOU GIVE THEM THE WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE TO GOVERN BY OUR SPIRIT. WE PRAY YOU WILL BE ALLOW IT TO BE JUST AND PRAY FOR A HARMONIOUS CONVERSATION EVEN IN A DISAGREEMENT. WE PRAY THAT YOU WILL ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOUR WILL AND YOUR PURPOSE IS FOR THIS COMMUNITY. FATHER, WE GIVE THE HONOR AND GLORY ON TONIGHT.

WE PRAY ALL BE DONE FOR YOUR HONOR AND GLORY. IN JESUS'S NAME WE PRAY. AMEN.

>> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU. MERRY CHRISTMAS. OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS SECTION 4 UNDER

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PRESENTATIONS. WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM CIVCOM REGARDING THE EPIDEMIC OF YOUTH

VAPING. I BELIEVE MISS JEN EMMONS IS HERE. WELCOME. >> SPEAKER: HI. I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE AMY AND SHE IS GOING TO DO A BRIEF PRESENTATION. WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT HER. JEN, CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CIVCOM. I MEAN, IT JUST SAYS YOUR AGENCY AND WHAT YOU ALL DO. MY PART OF IT IS THE TOBACCO FREE PARTNERSHIP. HEATHER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING? SHE IS OVER SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS. SO, SHE'S GOT --

>> SPEAKER: I'M JEN'S RIGHT HANDMAN. WE WORK FOR CIVIC COMMUNICATIONS WHICH IS A GRANTEE OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, BUREAU OF TOBACCO FREE FLORIDA AND WE MANAGE THE TOBACCO PREVENTION PROGRAM HERE IN NASSAU COUNTY. WE'RE A GRANT AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION THAT MANAGES THE GRANT FOR THE TOBACCO FREE FLORIDA PROGRAM HERE IN GNAW SAW. SO WE MANAGE THE PARTNERSHIP. AND WE HAVE A GREAT PARTNERSHIP MEMBER AMY WHO IS GOING TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THE PARTNERSHIP HAS BEEN UP TO OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS.

>> THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: YOU'RE WELCOME. AGAIN I'M AMY PIP COUPLE. I AM A PREVENTION COORDINATOR FOR STARTING POINT BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CARE. WE'RE PARTNER WITH TOBACCO FREE NASSAU. I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU A OVERVIEW OF THE VAPING EPIDEMIC AFFECTING OUR YOUTH IN THIS COUNTY, STATE AND IN OUR ENTIRE NATION. I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE MISSION OF TOBACCO FREE NASSAU, WHAT'S HAPPEN WITH THE YOUTH IN OUR COUNTY, WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE.

AND THE REASON THE YOUTH EPIDEMIC IS HAPPENING. AS WELL AS WHAT OUR PARTNERSHIP IS DOING FOR OUR COMMUNITY IN THAT ASPECT. SO THE MISSION OF TOBACCO FREE NASSAU IS TO MOBILIZE COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO ESTABLISH LONG LASTING SYSTEM AND POLICY CHANGES THAT PROMOTE TOBACCO FREE SOCIAL NORMS TO PREVENT USE OF TOBACCO PRODUCTS, ENCOURAGE AND SUPPORT TOBACCO CESSATION WITH A FOCUS ON PREVENTING THE INITIATION OF TOBACCO USE BY YOUTH AND YOUNG ADULTS AND TO ELIMINATE HEALTH HAZARDS OF SECONDHAND SMOKE EXPOSURE AND DECREASE THE NUMBER OF DEATHS RELATED TO TOBACCO YOUTH. HAD TO READ THAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO MISS EVEN ONE PIECE OF IT. SOUNDS LIKE A LOT. IT IS A LOT. IT'S QUITE A CHARGE FOR US TO DO. SO, YOUTH TOBACCO USE IN NASSAU COUNTY REMAINS AN ENORMOUS ISSUE. AT THIS POINT, FINDINGS FROM THE 2018 -- SO THAT IS RECENT DATA -- YOUTH TOBACCO SURVEY SUGGESTS THAT ONE IN THREE YOUTH AGE 11-17 IN OUR COUNTY HAS USED A TOBACCO PRODUCT. AT THIS POINT AND TIME, E-CIGARETTES ARE ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR USED TOBACCO PRODUCTS. AND APPROXIMATELY ONE IN THREE YOUTHS IN OUR OWN COUNTY HAS TRIED VAPING. THAT'S UP FROM JUST ONE IN 20 JUST FOUR YEARS AGO. SO IT'S BEEN A HUGE INCREASE. THIS IS A COMPARISON TO FOUR PERCENT OF FLORIDA

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ADULTS WHO VAPE. SO, OUR TEENS ARE VAPING IN MUCH LARGER NUMBERS THAN OUR ADULTS ARE AT THIS POINT. THERE'S REASONS THAT CAN EXPLAIN SOME OF THAT. TWO OF THE REASONS CONTRIBUTING TO THE YOUTH VAPING EPIDEMIC IS -- I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE NOTICED, BUT THE AGGRESSIVE INDUSTRY MARKETING TO OUR YOUTH. WITH FRUITY CANDY-LIKE FLAVORS TO MAKE THEIR PRODUCTS APPEAL TO KIDS. MANY COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE NATION ARE CONSIDERING RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE FLAVORED PRODUCTS TO CURB USE. THESE TYPE OF RESTRICTIONS CAN EASILY BE INCORPORATED INTO A LOCAL TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE WHICH IS THE TWO SHEETS OF PAPER THAT THEY'VE GIVEN TO YOU.

>> AND I WILL EMAIL THEM. I PUT THEM UP THERE EARLIER TODAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I'LL EMAIL

THEM. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. SO WHAT ARE OUR CONCERNS THAT WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU HERE TODAY? AS LEADERS IN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY WE BRING YOU WITH YOUTH USE OF VAPING DEVICES OR E-CIGARETTES FLORIDA LAW PROHIBITS THE SALE OF E SIGG REPRESENTS TO ANYONE UNDER 18 BUT STATE LAW DOES NOT REQUIRE A RETAIL LICENSE TO SELL E-CIGARETTES. REQUIRING A LICENSE TO SELL E-CIGARETTES WILL WORK TO REDUCE TEEN USE.

IN FACT, A RECENT STUDY, THAT'S THE GOOD THING ABOUT SOME OF THESE STATISTICS IS THEY ARE SO RECENT. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING FIVE YEARS AGO. THIS IS RECENT UP TO DATE DATA. IT FOUND THAT YOUTH LIVING IN A COMMUNITY WITH LOCAL RETAIL LICENSING ARE 33% LESS LIKELY TO START USING CIGARETTES AND 26% LESS LIKELY TO USE E-CIGARETTES THAM FESS A HUGE PORTION OF OUR YOUTH THAT WE ARE SO HOPING TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T EVEN INITIATE USE. OUR PARTNERSHIP IS WORKING IN THE COMMUNITY AGENCIES AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO EDUCATE STUDENTS, PARENTS AND THE COMMUNITY TO PREVENT YOUTH VAPING BUT WE NEED ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY POLICY SOLUTIONS THAT ENSURE THESE PRODUCTS ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE TO OUR KIDS. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ON WHAT WE OBVIOUSLY FEEL IS AN EXTREMELY SERIOUS AND IMPORTANT ISSUE. WE WILL BE GLAD TO TAKE QUESTIONS AS WELL. IT WAS A BRIEF OVERVIEW, SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE SEEN ANYTHING IN THE NEWS BUTS THERE SOMETHING IN

THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY IN REGARDS TO THE DANGERS. >> MAYOR MILLER: CITY ATTORNEY?

>> I JUST WANTED TO SAY -- AND VICE MAYOR KREGER AND I ATTENDED A SYMPOSIUM OR SEMINAR FOR A MORNING DOWN IN SGOOEN ABOUT -- ST. AUGUSTINE ABOUT YOUTH VAPING. WE DID WORK GROUPS. IT WAS VERY INTERESTING. SO, I ASKED THEM TO COME AND JUST BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO OUR PUBLIC WHAT A PROBLEM THIS IS. OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE SEE ON THE NEWS EVERY DAY.

>> SPEAKER: IT'S NOT IN EVERYBODY ELSE'S COMMUNITY. IT'S IN OURS TOO.

>> MY TAKE AWAY, BESIDES THE HUGE PROBLEM WITH TEENS GETTING ADDICTED TO NICOTINE, HOWEVER -- THIS IS HOW THEY'RE CHOOSING TO DO IT. BUT JUST THE ADDICTION IS THE BASE PROBLEM. MY TAKE AWAY WAS THAT RETAIL LICENSING IS SOMETHING THAT SOME CITIES IN FLORIDA, BECAUSE THE STATE DOESN'T PREEMPT US AND THEY DON'T ADDRESS IT, THAT WE CAN -- UNTIL SOMEBODY IS CHALLENGED BY A LAWSUIT BUT I DON'T SEE THE BASIS FOR THAT IN PREEMPTION -- THAT WE HAVE CITY ORDINANCES THAT WOULD REQUIRE RETAIL LICENSE. AND WITH THAT COMES SOME RESTRICTIONS, ADVERTISING RESTRICTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHY I HAD THEM COME.

>> SPEAKER: AND ENFORCEMENT. >> MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR? >> VICE MA

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: COMMISSION. COMMISSION TAYLOR WAS ALSO THERE. AND THE ABILITY WE HAVE -- WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSING. AND IT'S BECOMING A REGIONAL ISSUE. COUNCILMAN SALEM FROM JACKSONVILLE HAD DONE SIGNIFICANT RESEARCH IN THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT. BASICALLY FROM CONVENIENCE STORES. SO IT WILL BE DISCUSSED MORE -- IT WILL BE REGIONAL AGAIN TO LOOK MORE AT THAT. BUT WE COULD TAKE THE IN INITIATIVE AND MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.

>> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: FIRST QUESTION, IS THIS A CITY OR COUNTY ISSUE OR BOTH? AND WHAT IS INVOLVED IN DOING THIS?

>> THAT'S -- IT WOULD BE BECAUSE -- IT'S BOTH. IT'S BOTH. BUT THE COUNTY CANNOT PASS LAWS THAT ARE ENFORCEABLE WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS WITH FINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE THEY'RE NON-CHARTERED COUNTY. SO THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE UP -- AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MY OFFICE RESEARCH RETAIL LICENSING ORDINANCES IN FLORIDA AND BRING SOMETHING BACK

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FOR YOU ALL TO DISCUSS. >> COMMISSIONER: IS THERE ANY MODEL OF LEGISLATION OUT THERE?

>> THERE'S NOTHING MODELLED LIKE THROUGH THE STATE. THERE'S PROBABLY A FIRST AND THEN

THERE'S PROBABLY A CITY THAT -- >> SPEAKER: WE DO HAVE -- SO THE PUBLIC HEALTH LAW CENTER, THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC HEALTH LAW CENTER AND THEY'VE DRAFTED A SAMPLE, LOCAL RETAIL ORDINANCE LANGUAGE FOR FLORIDA SPECIFIC, MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES.

AND THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED IN MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME. THERE IS PRECEDENT. THE COUNTY OF ALACHUA COUNTY EARLIER THIS YEAR IMPLEMENTED AND ENACTED THEIR OWN COUNTY LEVEL TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE AND IT WAS, I BELIEVE, AN OPT OUT OR OPT IN. WHICH IS NICER TO CITIES IN THE ONE THAT IS NICER TO CITIES THEY DIDN'T DO.

>> OPT OUT. >> SPEAKER: THEY DID AN OPT OUT. SO, I WOULD SUGGEST MS. BACH IF YOU ARE GOING TO RESEARCH THAT TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH WHOEVER AT THE COUNTY LEVEL TO KIND OF SEE HOW THAT WOULD WORK BEST FOR LOCAL DYNAMICS HERE.

>> SURE. >> COMMISSIONER: THIS LEGISLATION WOULD ONLY AFFECT

YOUTH OR ALL SALES? >> IT WOULD AFFECT RETAIL SALES. AND WHAT I WOULD DO IS I WOULD NOT BRING IT BACK BECAUSE IT'S NEW AND YOU ALL WANT TO SEE IT. I'D BRING IT BACK AS A DISCUSSION FIRST AND BREAK DOWN THE PARTS OF IT AND ENFORCEMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER: MY OTHER PART-TIME JOB, I CAN TELL YOU THAT SMOKING AND KIDS -- THERE'S

A LOT OF KIDS THAT SMOKE. IT'S NOT GOOD. >> SPEAKER: IT'S LIKE NOTHING -- I WAS IN THE SCHOOLS FOR OVER 12 YEARS. IT'S NOT LIKE ANYTHING I'VE EVER SEEN. HONESTLY. HOW QUICKLY IT HAPPENED AND HOW FAST IT HAS JUST GROWN AND HOW MUCH YOUNGER THE YOUTH ARE THAT ARE DOING -- ESPECIALLY THE JUUL. THE JUUL CHANGED THE WHOLE DYNAMIC.

>> COMMISSIONER: DOES THAT HAVE NICOTINE IN IT? >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. IT LOOKS LIKE A USB DRIVE. IT'S EASILY HIDDEN. IN FACT IT HAS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF NICOTINE.

ONE POD IS EQUAL TO ONE PACK OF CIGARETTES AT LEAST. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I BELIEVE THERE'S A BILL IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE ALSO. SO WE CAN LOOK AT SUPPORTING THAT. AND THE THING ABOUT THE TOBACCO LAW, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS BASICALLY IT'S GOING PUT AGE LIMITS. AND MOST KIDS ARE GETTING THE VAPING EQUIPMENT FROM PEOPLE IN THE SCHOOLS FROM THEIR FRIENDS. THEY'RE NOT BUYING IT. SO, THIS -- THERE'S 18-YEAR-OLDS -- MAKE IT ABOVE 18 WHICH CHANGES THE MARKET AND MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT TO GET. SO THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET IT UNTIL THEY'RE OVER 18 AND YOUR CONTEMPORARIES WILL BE GONE OUT OF THE SCHOOL. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> SPEAKER: I WOULD SAY BOTH STATISTICALLY AND ANECDOTALLY, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING.

>> SPEAKER: AND TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENT, VICE MAYOR, THE SAMPLE LANGUAGE THAT'S BEEN DRAFTED BY THE PUBLIC HEALTH LAW CENTER HAS DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT ARE EASILY PLUGGED INTO THE BASIC RETAIL LICENSE STRUCTURE. SO, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'D WANT TO WORKSHOP OUT THERE'S DIFFERENT PROVISIONS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THINGS ABOUT THE FLAVORING AND RESTRICTING FLAVOR SALES OR RAISING THE SALES AGE TO A DIFFERENT -- FROM 18 TO 21 OR 18 TO 19. THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

SO THOSE ARE ALL IN THE MODEL LANGUAGE THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT AND SEE WHAT WOULD

WORK BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY. >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: JUST CURIOUS, DOES THE SCHOOL DEPARTMENT HAVE A DISCIPLINE CODE IF STUDENTS ARE CAUGHT VAPING?

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR, THEY DO. NOT JUST THROUGH THE SCHOOL. BECAUSE IF THEY ARE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 IT IS A -- IT'S AGAINST THE LAW. SO, THERE ARE CIVIL CITATIONS WHERE THEY WILL GO TO TEEN COURT AND THEY END UP HAVING TO DO VAPING EDUCATION. WHICH AT THIS POINT STARTING POINT IS ALSO PUTTING TOGETHER A PROGRAM FOR THAT EXACT THING. AND THE CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO -- WE'VE GOT A LOT OF KIDS OUT THERE ADDICTED AND THEY NEED THE RESOURCES ALSO TO

FIGURE OUT HOW TO STOP. >> AND MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THIS SYMPOSIUM TOO WAS THAT THEY'RE NOT SUSPENDING THE CHILDREN FROM SCHOOL THE WAY THEY WOULD IF IT WERE A DISCIPLINE PROBLEM BEFORE BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENING OVER AND OVER.

>> SPEAKER: IT'S HAPPENING TOO MUCH >> AND THE KIDS DON'T HAVE THE WILLPOWER SOME ADULTS DO. SO, IF THEY'RE DICTED TO SOMETHING --

>> SPEAKER: THEIR BRAINS WORK DIFFERENT THAN ADULT BRAINS WITHOUT A DOUBT. AND THERE'S FANTASTIC RESOURCES AVAILABLE FOR THEM. WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY GET TO THOSE ROW

SOURCES. >> MAYOR MILLER: I'M LOOKING AT THE MONTHLY REPORTS THAT WE'RE HANDED ONCE A MONTH BY THE CITY MANAGER. THE FOURTH ITEM UNDER POLICE READS SCHOOL RESOURCE

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OFFICERS HAVE INVESTIGATED NUMEROUS INCIDENTS INVOLVING VAPING AT THE FERNANDINA BEACH HIGH SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL. THEY MADE A FELONY ARREST INVOLVING VAPING AT THE THC.

>> SPEAKER: IN FACT I SPOKE WITH HIM RIGHT AFTER THAT HAPPENED AND HE WANTED TO BE PART OF MAKING SOMETHING HAPPEN. THAT'S GOING TO NOT ONLY JUST PUNISH BUT THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO HELP.

HELP. >> MAYOR MILLER: EXACTLY. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'LL LOOK FOR IT. THAT'S GREAT. >> COMMISSIONER: YOU GUYS CAN STAY FOR THE MEETING YOU KNOW KEEPING KIDS OFF TOBACCO IF YOU STAYED THE WHOLE MEETING. I WILL GET A COPY AND IF YOU DON'T MIND IN UPCOMING MEETING I'LL BRING BACK A DISCUSSION ITEM WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE YES?

>> MAYOR MILLER: YEP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM 4.2. THE BUDGET SUMMARY. MS. TESTAGROSE

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IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SUMMARY FOR NOVEMBER 2019. WELCOME.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. PAULINE TESTAGROSE CITY COMPTROLLER. NOVEMBER IS THE SECOND MONTH OF THE BUDGETED FISCAL YEAR AND REPRESENTS 16.7%. FOR THE GENERAL FUND YEAR-TO-DATE REVENUE IS 26.3% AND THIS IS DUE TO THE TIMING OF PROPERTY TAX RECEIPTS AND LOCAL BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS. OVERALL YEAR-TO-DATE GENERAL FUND EXPENSES REPRESENT 16.3% OF THE BUDGET. THERE ARE SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS OVER THE MARK DUE TO PAYMENTS ON ANNUAL MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. WHILE INTERFUND TRANSFERS FOR THE MONTH HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, THE TRANSFER TO THE LAND CONSERVATION TRUST FUND WAS MADE LAST MONTH. FOR THE DEBT SERVICE THE SEMI ANNUAL INTEREST PAYMENT WAS MADE ON THE GEO BONDS IN OCTOBER. FOR CAPITAL FUNDS, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS ENCUMBRANCES HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR I.T.

EQUIPMENT, SIDEWALKS AND BEACH MONITORING. FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, THE GOLF COURSE REVENUES EXCEED EXPENSES DUE TO THE ANNUAL MEMBERSHIPS. AIRPORT EXPENSES EXCEED REVENUES PRIMARILY DUE TO THE TIMING OF RECEIPTS FOR OTHER REVENUES. AND THE MARINA CONTINUES TO HAVE LIMITED OPERATIONS IN HURRICANES MATTHEW AND IRMA. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> MAYOR MILLER: I SEE NO LIGHTS. CITY MANAGER? >> THIS WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY AT LEAST ONE CITY COMMISSIONER. A QUESTION REGARDING PENSIONS. I GUESS THIS WAS IN THE MEDIA, SOCIAL MEDIA SOMEWHERE, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CITY'S PENSION SOLVENCY.

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REGULATORS INTRODUCED LEGISLATION THE EXACT GASBY. MS. TESTAGROSE CAN TELL ME WHAT THE NUMBER IS BUT IT'S 60, 50, WHATEVER. WE HAVE TO REPORT OUR PENSION LIABILITY.

AND OUR CURRENT PENSION LIABILITIES REPORTED ANNUALLY BY THE AUDITORS AND WE'RE CURRENTLY AT THE 70 TO 65 -- 65-75% FUNDING RATIO. AND THE NUMBER IS SOMEWHAT MEANINGLESS IN THE SENSE THAT AT A PERSONAL LEVEL THE WAY YOU CAN COMPARE THAT TO IS YOUR MORTGAGE PAYMENT. IF YOU HAVE A $300,000 MORTGAGE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE $300,000 RIGHT NOW IN THE BANK TO PAY OFF YOUR MORTGAGE, LET'S SAY YOU ONLY HAVE $50,000 IN THE BANK, IF YOU FOLLOW THE SAME LINE OF THINKING WITH THE PENSION YOU WOULD BE RATED AS ONLY BEING 16% FUNDED BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE FULL $300,000 IN YOUR BANK. IT IS THE SAME THING WITH THE PENSION. WE CONTINUE TO MEET OUR MONTHLY PENSION OBLIGATIONS. AND THE ONLY REASON THAT WE WOULD EVER BE AT PROBLEM AND WE'RE NOT FULLY FUNDED IS IF WE CLOSE A PROGRAM AND HAD TO PAY OUT EVERYBODY, EVERYTHING WE OWE THEM ON THE EXACT SAME DAY. AND THAT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY TO HAPPEN. JUST AS THE BANK CALLING YOUR MORTGAGE LOAN FOR YOU TO PAY IT OFF RIGHT AWAY. SO THAT'S THE MOST SIMPLE EXAMPLE ON AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE, YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THAT MONEY FOR YOUR MORTGAGE SILTING IN THE BANK TO ACCORDING TO GOVERNMENT STANDARDS YOU WOULD BE UNDERFUNDED. WE CONTINUE TO MAKE ALL OF OUR PNSION OBLIGATIONS BUT THAT IS ALWAYS REPORTED ANNUALLY AS PART OF OUR ANNUAL AUDIT. SO, THERE THAT WAS A SIMPLE RESPONSE. IF YOU WANT TO HEAR IT FROM THE AX WEAR WE CAN BRING THE AX YOU WEAR. BUT THAT'S THE --

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ACTUARY. THAT'S WHERE YOU COME UP WITH THE FUN UNTIEDED LIABILITY. IF EVERYBODY WALKED OUT TOMORROW, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD OWE, AND WE COULDN'T FUND IT. JUST LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE MONEY FOR THE MORTGAGE IN THE BANK RIGHT NOW EITHER. SO, I THOUGHT I'D OFFER THAT

RELATIVELYSIMPLE EXPLANATION. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR?

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: WE ADDRESSED THIS AT THE AUDIT REPORT OF THE YEAR AND BASICALLY IF I REMEMBER CORRECT WE'RE MAKING SIGNIFICANT IMPROVMTHS AND THEY THINK WE'RE TIP TOP

SHAPE RELATIVE TO THIS ISSUE. SO. >> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER

ROSS. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING. I BROUGHT THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION UP. I WAS THE ONE WHO RAISED THE QUESTION BECAUSE OF A CONVERSATION I HAD WITH SOMEBODY. AND THE AUDITORS SAID WHAT YOU JUST SAID. THAT WE

WERE IN GOOD SHAPE AND THERE'S NO PROBLEM. SO. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY. ON TO SECTION 5. PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. DO WE HAVE REQUESTS TO SPEAK? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO SPEAK ON THEY DIDN'T PUT A SHEET IN? OKAY. CONSENT AGENDA. ONE OF THESE IS BEING PULLED OFF. I BELIEVE ITEM 6

[Consent Agenda]

>> NUMBER 1 THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT. >> MAYOR MILLER: 6.1 HAS BEEN

REMOVED. >> I WILL TELL YOU SO IT'S NOT A MYSTERY. THE -- DR. JOSEPH AND ELIZABETH LEE, THEIR FARMER'S MARKET, THE FERNANDINA FISH MARKET MARKET, IS THE FRANCHISEE. THEY'VE BEEN ON REALLY AN EXTENSION TO THEIR CONTRACT. SO, WE'VE WRITTEN A NEW CONTRACT AND SINCE THE CITY MANAGER WAS OUT ON HIS VACATION THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN FACE-TO-FACE AND TALK ABOUT THE THREE-YEAR TERM AND ANY RENEWALS. SO THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT BEFORE ASKING ANY QUESTIONS HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME SO THEY ASK THAT WE MOVE IT

TO THE NEXT MEETING. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? >> ON EXHIBIT 1, ITEM 5, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE FRANCHISEE BEING $1,500. IT ALSO SAYS THE ANNUAL FRANCHISE FEE INCLUDES THE USE OF ELECTRICITY FROM EXISTING CITY INSTALLED PEDESTAL. HOW MUCH ELECTRICITY -- SO WHAT'S OUR ELECTRIC BILL FOR THE FARMER'S MARKET?

>> MAYOR MILLER: IS THERE A METER ON THE PEDESTALS? >> COMMISSIONER: YOU KNOW WHAT MY QUESTIONS IS. WE'RE CHARGING THEM $1,500 FOR THE FRANCHISE FEE BUT PAYING THEIR ELECTRIC BILL. AND YOU KNOW EVERY VENDOR OUT THERE IS HOOKED UP TO OUR ELECTRICITY SPELL SO WHAT'S OUR

NET NET IS MY QUESTION AND DOES THAT NEED TO BE IN THERE? >> MAYOR MILLER: MR. ROSS.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS:

MY UNDERSTANDING. >> MAYOR MILLER: OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER: THANK YOU.

RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF 6.2. >> COMMISSIONER: SECOND IT. >> MAYOR MILLER: I HAVE A MOTION

AND A SECOND. MADAM CLERK IF YOU COULD CALL THE VOTE PLEASE. >> YES

>> YES >> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> MAYOR MILLER: ON TO SECTION 7. ORDINANCES SECOND RETE

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READING. 7.1 FEE SCHEDULE AMENDMENT BUILDING MARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENTS

>> APOLOGIES. WE HAD THIS LAST MEETING AND IT WAS NOT ADVERTISED PROPERLY IN THE NEWSPAPER SO WE'RE REDOING THE SECOND READING. NO CHANGES. ORDINANCE 2019-24 ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY MUCH FERNANDINA BEACH ESTABLISHING AND AMENDING FEES FOR THE BUILDING AND PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING

FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> MAYOR MILLER: OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONER ROSS YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO ADOPT WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENT. THE COST OF SERVICES ANALYSIS BE PRESENTED AT THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY OF 2020. AND, TWO, SINCE NASSAU COUNTY DOES NOT OFFER BASIC PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAM AND MANY COUNTY RESIDENTS USE CITY PARKS AND RECREATION SERVICES WHICH ARE SUBSIDIZED BY CITY TAXPAYERS, DETERMINE WHEN AN APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION WOULD BE TO SUPPORT CITY PARK AND REC SERVICES USED BY COUNTY RESIDENTS EITHER BY DIRECT SUBSIDY OR PREMIUM PRICING AND PRESENT THAT AT THE

FIRST MEETING OF 2020. >> COMMISSIONER: I'LL SECOND. >> MAYOR MILLER: I HAVE A MOTION

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AND A SECOND. DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED ON THAT, TAMMI? >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND IT. BECAUSE IF I DON'T. STAFF WON'T. WHATEVER IS PROPOSED TO BE THE FEES THAT ARE IN THE SCHEDULE ARE APPROVED. BUT THEN THERE'S FURTHER -- OKAY. GOT IT.

>> MAYOR MILLER: OKAY. WITH THAT WE'LL CALL THE VOTE PLEASE. >> YES

>> YES. >> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> MAYOR MILLER: ITEM 7.2 CODE AMENDMENT. PEDDLERS

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>> AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH FLORIDA AMENDING CHAPTER 26 BUSINESSES ARTICLE 4 PEDDLERS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES BY AMENDING SECTION 26-91 TO INCLUDE DEFINITIONS BY AMENDING SECTION 26-92 REQUIRING LOCAL BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS IF, BY ADDING SECTION 26-93 NOTICE REGULATING RESIDENTIAL SOLICITING AND PEDDLING, BY ADDING SECTION 26-94, DUTY OF SOLICITORS, BY ADDING SECTION 26-95, UNINVITED SOLICITING PROHIBITED. BY ADDING A SECTION 26-96, TIME LIMIT ON SOLICITING. BY ADDING THE SECTION 26-97 AGE LIMITATIONS. BY ADDING 26-98 RESTRICTIONS ON METHODS OF SOLICITATION REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HERE WITHOUTS PROVIDING FOR

SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> MAYOR MILLER: OPEN THE PUBLIC

HEARING. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> COMMISSIONER: MOVE TO

APPROVE. >> COMMISSIONER: SECOND. >> MAYOR MILLER: I HAVE A MOTION

AND A SECOND. IF YOU COULD PLEASE CALL THE VOTE >> YES

>> YES >> YES >> YES

>> YES. MA IR >> MAYOR MILLER: 8.1 ARTS AND CULTURE NASSAU ONE APPOINTMENT.

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>> COMMISSIONER: I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF JOSHUA WHITFIELD TO THE ARTS AND CULTURAL NASSAU

COMMITTEE. >> COMMISSIONER: SECOND. >> MAYOR MILLER: I HALF A MOTION

AND A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> MAYOR MILLER: 8.2 PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD TWO APPOINTMENTS.

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>> COMMISSIONER: RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REAPPOINTMENT OF VICTORIA AND JENNY.

>> MAYOR MILLER: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IF YOU COULD CALL THE VOTE

>> YES >> YES >> YES.

>> YES >> YES. >> MAYOR MILLER: 8.3 MISS TORIC

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DISTRICT COUNCIL ONE APPOINTMENT. >> COMMISSIONER: RECOMMEND

APPROVAL OF MIKE TO THE HISTORIC BOARD >>

>> COMMISSIONER:. >> MAYOR MILLER: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MADAM CLERK,

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES. >> YES.

>> MAYOR MILLER: YES. SECTION 9 CITY COMMISSION DISCUSSION. 9.1 LAND CONSERVATION. PLACED ON

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THE AGENDA AT THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU. ON A WEEKLY BASIS WHEN I MEET WITH THE CITY MANAGER, I HAVE A TO-DO LIST. AND ITEMS STAY ON THE TO-DO LIST UNTIL THEY'RE ACCOMPLISHED. ON MY TO-DO LIST, AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER ROSS IS GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS. ON MY TO-DO LIST EVERY MONDAY I'VE ASKED THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THE TREE CANOPY REPLACEMENT PLAN. AND AS FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL REMEMBER, LAST AUGUST THERE WAS A TREE CANOPY REPLACEMENT PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED AND WAS VERY SUB-STANDARD. AND WE ASKED FOR A NEW PLAN. AND I WAS TOLD THIS PLAN WAS GOING TO BE PRESENTED BEFORE THIS COMMISSION BY THIS EVENING. WELL AS YOU WILL NOTE, THE PLAN IS NOWHERE ON OUR AGENDA WHICH NOW THROWS THIS PLAN INTO VISIONING AND IT MEANS AN ENTIRE YEAR WENT BY AND WE DID NOTHING. SO, I ONCE AGAIN WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AND HAVE THIS TREE CANOPY REPLACEMENT PLAN SCHEDULED. UNLESS WE HOLD PEOPLE'S FEET TO THE FIRE, THIS STUFF ISN'T GOING TO GET DONE. ACCOUNTABILITY IS EVERYTHING. SO, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.

PLEASE. >> MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER?

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I'M PIGGYBACKING ON MIKE ON THIS. DALE, HAVE YOU GOT MY POWER POINT PAGE 3? PAGE 1 AND 2 ARE PICTURES SO DON'T PUT THEM UP. THE BASIC CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE INTO THE 16TH MONTH OF OUR ORDINANCE, OUR LAND CONSERVATION ORDINANCE, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF

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THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. THE CRITICAL THICK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS WE NEED TO HAVE THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO HAVE THE LIST OF PROPERTIES APPROVED FOR INITIAL PURCHASE OR WHATEVER.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE. AND THERE'S BEEN A PROBLEM -- WE'RE MOVING. WE BOUGHT THREE PROPERTIES. THERE HAVE BEEN TWO PROPERTIES NOMINATED. I NOMINATED THAT PROPERTY. IT'S BEEN BOUGHT. I NOMINATED ANOTHER PROPERTY OF 4.5 ACRES ON FRIDAY. BUT THERE'S NOT ANY MERGING OF THE LAND TRUST PROCEEDING WITH TALKING TO PEOPLE. THE CITY LISTS AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER LISTS -- BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THE ANNUAL MEETING. AND I'VE TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER AND I THINK WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT CRITERIA SO THEY'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, A -- THEY'RE LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. OUR CRITERIA DOESN'T MATCH THE LAND TRUST CRITERIA. BUT WE NEED A NOMINATING PROCESS AND WE NEED TO BE LOOKING REAL CLOSE AT MANAGEMENT PLANS. WE BOUGHT THREE PROPERTIES. WE'VE GOT 60 DAYS TO PUT A MANAGEMENT PLAN IN. WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER PROPERTIES THROUGH THE PAB TO PUT INTO CONSERVATION AND WE BETTER HAVE MANAGEMENT PLANS BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE GARBAGE DUMPS IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL. SO, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. AND WE'LL WORK FURTHER ON IT. BUT IT'S -- WE HAVE AN ANNUAL MEETING IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN LAST JUNE SO PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO NOMINATE PROPERTIES

PROPERLY. THAT'S ALL I GOT. >> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS?

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: PIGGYBACKING ON THAT, THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST HAS RECENTLY SENT OUT LETTERS, CERTIFIED LETTERS TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT WERE IDENTIFIED.

THEY HAVE A FINAL VACANT PARCEL SCORE. AND THEY RANK THINGS AND THEY'VE GOT MULTIPLE LOTS. AND THEY SENT OUT A LETTER TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS ASKING THEM WHETHER THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SELLING THEIR PROPERTY. AND ALSO ASKING THEM FOR THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL. SO, I AGREE WITH HEARING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE WHAT'S IN THE CONSERVATION ORDINANCE AND WORK WITH THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST TO BE OUR AGENT TO FACILITATE THIS AND COME UP WITH THE LISTS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AND SO ON AND SO FORTH AND COME UP WITH A COHERENT PLAN. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. THE SECOND THING I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT -- AND I WENT TO THE MEETING 9 DECEMBER 2019. THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS APPROVED PLACEMENT OF A REFERENDUM ON A BALLOT FOR THE 2020 ELECTION. THE ELECTORS WANT NASSAU COUNTY TO VOTE ON AUTHORIZATION OF A COUNTY TO ISSUE UP TO $30 MILLION IN GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS FOR CONSERVATION LAND, ACQUISITION AND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. SO THE QUESTION IS, COMING ON THE BALLOTS IN THE NEXT -- WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING OUR OWN BALLOT. THE SCHOOL BOARD IS DOING A BALLOT. AND THEN THE COUNTY IS GOING FORWARD DOING A BALLOT. WHETHER -- THE QUESTION IS I WOULD LIKE -- WITH A CONSENSUS OF THE COMMISSION -- TO HAVE THE CITY MANAGER TO APPROACH AND GET AN ANSWER BACK FROM THE CITY -- THE COUNTY BY THE 6TH OF JANUARY AS TO WHETHER WE CAN PARTAKE, BECOME PART OF THAT BOND REFERENDUM AND GET A PERCENTAGE OF IT BASED ON POPULATION OR SOME OTHER MEASURE. IT WAS BASED ON POPULATION WE'D GET ABOUT $4 MILLION. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY TO FULFILL OUR BOND -- OUR PROMISE TO DO A BOND REFERENDUM. AND I THINK IT PROBABLY IN MANY WAYS WOULD BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY OF DOING THAT. I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

>> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU. TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR COMMENT. WHEN THEY PASSED THE $30 MILLION GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND, WERE THEY CONSIDERING US PIGGYBACKING WITH THEM?

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: ON THAT EVENING I TALKED TO ALL FIVE COMMISSIONERS. I TALKED TO TACO, POPE AND THE CITY/COUNTY MANAGER. AND AT THAT POINT THEY ALL ASSURED ME THEY WOULD BE COMING TO THE CITY AND ASKING IF WE WOULD BE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE AND WORK OUT SOME KIND OF ARRANGEMENT. I HAVE HEARD SUBSEQUENTLY THERE MAY BE AN ERODING OF THAT POSITION.

SO, I THINK IT WOULD BE CRITICAL TO FIND OUT IF THEY ARE INDEED GOING TO WORK OUT SOMETHING WITH

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NOT ONLY US BUT HILLIARD COUNTY OR THEY INTEND FOR US TO NOT -- THE CONDITIONS THAT I PUT ON THAT WERE NUMBER ONE WE GET A PERCENTAGE BASED ON OUR POPULATION OR AD VALOREM TAX.

NUMBER 2, MORE IMPORTANTLY, THAT BE DIRECTED INTO OUR CONSERVATION FUND AND THEY NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER FUNDING THAT. THAT WOULD BE A CITY -- THE CITY WOULD GET TO DECIDE HOW THEY SPENT THAT MONEY. THEY SEEMED ON A PRELIMINARY VERY SUPERFICIAL CONVERSATION THEY

ALL SEEMED AGREEABLE TO THAT. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS FIRST WE NEED A

YES FROM THEM. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: YEAH. I MEAN, IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO

PLAY BALL. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: IF WE GET A YES WE NEED TO NEGOTIATE A

FORMULA? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. AND THEY HAVE HIRED THE TRUST FOR PUBLIC LAND -- LAND FOR PUBLIC TRUST OR WHATEVER, THEY HAVE A PROFESSIONAL PERSON WHO IS PUTTING ON THEIR CAMPAIGN DOING THE WHOLE THING AND IT SEEMED TO

ME TO BE A WELL THOUGHT OUT PROCESS. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: OKAY.

MY SECOND COMMENT GOES BACK TO VICE MAYOR KREGER'S COMMENT ABOUT LIST OF PROPERTIES. AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE A LIST OF PROPERTIES. BECAUSE I JUST READ IT THIS MORNING. SO, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT THE LIST OF PROPERTIES THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER. NUMBER 2, THE OTHER FORM THAT I SAW WAS A NOMINATING APPLICATION THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS THAT WAS DATED NOVEMBER 18TH. WHERE YOU CAN NOMINATE A PROPERTY. SO THAT ALREADY EXISTS. BUT DOES ANYBODY KNOW ABOUT IT? THAT'S MY OTHER -- SO THERE IS A FORM THAT EXISTS. MY QUESTION IS DOES ANYBODY KNOW ABOUT IT AND HOW DO WE GET THEM TO KNOW ABOUT IT? THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER? >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: REFERENDUMS. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS GOING TO PUT THEIR REFERENDUM ON THE PRIMARY. THE COUNTY -- TAMMI AND I WERE AT A MEETING LAST FRIDAY WITH THE COUNTY WITH COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT IT WAS INITIALLY ABOUT THE BEACH CONSERVATION HABITAT PLAN. BUT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF THE REFERENDUM. AND THE COUNTY BASICALLY DOES APPEAR REPRESENTATIVE NOT NECESSARILY TO THE TERMS THAT YOU HAVE INDICATED. IN FACT THEY EVEN QUESTION THAT IN A LETTER TO THE CITY MANAGER ASKING WHETHER YOU WERE SPEAKING FOR THE COMMISSION OR YOURSELF.

CORRECT? SO, THEY ARE RECEPTIVE TO US BEING PART OF THAT. I THINK THE KEY WITHOUT DISCUSSING FORMULAS, I THINK THE KEY IS THAT HILLIARD AND CALLAHAN ALSO HAVE TO BE IN BUT THEY WERE RECEPTIVE TO IT. AND THERE IS A MEETING, A TENTATIVE MEETING THAT THEY HAVE THEIR COMMISSION ASKING TO MEET WITH US. WE ACTUALLY ARE ASKING TO MEET WITH THEM, WHAT WILL BE THE BEACH HABITAT CONSERVATION. I BELIEVE IT WAS THE 25TH OF MARCH. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SOON

ENOUGH. >> NOT FOR THIS. VICE MAY OR -- >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I DO BELIEVE IF WE BOTH HAVE REFERENDUMS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEM. THERE ARE SURVEYS THEY'VE TAKEN. SO, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO TALK TO THEM.

>> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I WOULD ASK THAT THE CITY MANAGER PROCEED AND REPORT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING.

>> THAT'S GOOD. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> AND I THINK THAT JUST THE DISCUSSION WE HAD AT THE MEETING -- AND THINKING ABOUT HOW THE MONEY WOULD BE ALLOCATED IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE A SET FORMULA, THE FEAR IS, AT LEAST IN THEIR EXPERIENCE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE COUNTY OFTEN THINKS THAT THINGS LIKE THIS, THEY'RE ASKING US TO VOTE BUT THEY REALLY DON'T CARE. THIS IS ALL ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE ON AMELIA ISLAND. WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THAT TURNS OFF THE PEOPLE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE COUNTY. I MEAN, WE'RE SO DIVERSE FROM WEST TO EAST. ANY WAY. THAT WAS DISCUSSED TOO.

>> COMMISSIONER: THE KEY WILL BE THE ISLAND RELATIVE TO PASSAGE OR NOT PASSAGE.

>> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH DOES THAT COMPLETE YOUR ANSWER?

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>> IT DID >> MAYOR MILLER: 9.2. MR. MR. LEAD -- LEDNOVICH YOU HAVE

THE FLOOR. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I'M GOING TO LEAVE TO THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT ON THE CONSULTANT MEETINGS THAT WE HAD. HOPEFULLY YOU ARE UP TO DATE ON

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THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE ONLY BEEN HERE A DAY. >> IF I CAN ADDRESS, I KNOW THE CONSULTANT LED BY LATTIMER MET MOST OF YOU. I HAD A FOLLOW-UP MEETING WITH THEM TODAY WHERE THEY'VE INCORPORATED NOT ONLY YOUR COMMENTS BUT THE COMMENTS FROM THOSE PEOPLE ON MY STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THE PARK. SO THE INTENT IS THAT THEY WILL PRESENT TO YOU A CONCEPT AT THE SCHEDULED VISUAL SETTING AT THE END OF JANUARY AND GET YOUR FEED BACK. THEY HAD A SHEET FOR EACH ONE OF YOUR COMMISSIONERS THAT LISTED YOUR HIGH AND LOW POINTS. THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMONALITY AMONG ALL OF OUR COMMENTS. SO THE INTENTION IS THAT THE CONCEPT WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU

AT THE VISIONING SESSION AT THE END OF JANUARY. >> COMMISSIONER: WOULD YOU JUST

SAY A COUPLE OF WORD ABOUT THE STEERING COMMITTEE >> SURE. THE STEERING COMMITTEE INVOLVES A CHAIRPERSON OF EACH OF THE FOUR BOARDS. MAIN STREET IS REPRESENTED, MARINE ADVISORY BOARD IS REPRESENTED BY MR. KEVIN MCCARTHY, PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE IS REPRESENTED BY TERESA DUNCAN, AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION IS REPRESENTED BY MR. MICHAEL SPINO. BASICALLY THE INTENT TOSS HAVE A STEERING COMMITTEE BE THE FIRST EYES ON THEM AND FOR THEM TO SERVICE LIAISONS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THEIR BOARD SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST -- WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY COOKS IN THE KITCHEN. SO THE INTENT IS THAT IT WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU AT THE VISIONING SESSION. THE RESPECTIVE BOARDS WILL THEN TAKE IT TO THEIR BOARDS. THE RESPECTIVE CHAIRMAN, CHAIR PEOPLE WILL TAKE IT TO THEIR BOARDS IN FEBRUARY. THEN IN MARCH WE'LL HAVE A BROADER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AT THE END OF MARCH/BEGINNING OF APRIL THE INTENT WILL BE FOR YOU TO ENDORSE A CONCEPT OF SORTS SO THAT WE CAN START SOMETHING. WHICH IS BASICALLY THE OVERRIDING COMMENT OF EVERY MEMBER OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND ALL OF YOU THAT PARTICIPATED WAS LET'S DO SOMETHING. SO IT WAS AN EXCITING CONVERSATION TODAY. I HOPE, AGAIN, I DIDN'T HAVE DIRECT FEEDBACK FROM YOU AS THE CITY COMMISSIONERS, BECAUSE I WASN'T AROUND WHEN THEY MET WITH YOU, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, INVIGORATING OR AT LEAST ENLIGHTENING.

>> COMMISSIONER: THANK YOU SIR. I'M DONE. >> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER

ROSS YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: THANK YOU SO MUCH. IF YOU CAN PUT UP THE SLIDE SHOW. I HAD A PRE-BID MEETING FOR THE NORTHERN ATTENUATOR. AND STANDING NEXT TO ME I STRUCK UP A CONVERSATION WITH A FELLA WHO IS THE OWNER OF THE BELLINGHAM FRANCHISE OR WHATEVER IN JACKSONVILLE. AND BELLINGHAM IS THE ONE WHO HAS MADE OUR DOCKS IN -- WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT NOW IS THE DOCKS THAT ARE NORTH. THEY'RE STILL THERE. THE KEVIN MCCARTHY AND THOSE DOCKS IN THE NORTH. HE MADE COMMENTS WHICH I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT AND CONCERN. SO THE FIRST THING I WANT TO DO IS GIVE A SHOUT OUT THAT THIS USED TO BE TRASHED. IT LOOKED TERRIBLE AND NOW YOU CAN SEE ALL THE TRASH IS GONE AND IT LOOKS GREAT. AND THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT SHOULD BE DOING. THE NEXT SLIDE IS THAT WE HAVE A MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH WEST THAT BASICALLY SAYS -- WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT BUT WEST REC SHOULD BE DOING THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR DOCKS. BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH. SO, YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE. HERE ARE MY CONCERNS. THE FIRST IS THERE'S STILL A LOT OF TRASH ON THE SHORE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME THAT LOOKS TERRIBLE AND COULD BE, I THINK, REMOVED WITH NOT TOO MUCH EFFORT. AND I AM CONCERNED THAT IT'S NOT BEING USED. WE NOW HAVE A WONDERFUL LOOKING MARINA AND IT NOW LOOKS DOWN ON THIS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S MORE TRASH. I MEAN, IT'S JUST UNSIGHTLY. IT'S NOT NECESSARY. YOU SAW THE OTHER ONE THAT USED TO LOOK LIKE THAT AND IT'S BEEN CLEANED UP AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD GET THIS DONE IN SOME SHORT FASHION. NEXT PLEASE. IF YOU LOOK HERE YOU CAN SEE HAMMERS AND OLD JUNK AND ALONG THE WHOLE SHORELINE THERE'S ALL KINDS OF TRASH THAT BASICALLY SOMEBODY JUST NEEDS TO GO IN AND PICK IT UP ON AND PUT IT IN A DUMPSTER. MY NEXT CONCERN IS THE FLAG POLE THAT EVERYBODY LOOKS OUT. WHEN YOU SIT IN BRETT'S RESTAURANT AND LOOK OUT YOU SEE A RUSTY FLAG POLE AT THE BOTTOM. AND THE BOTTOM'S RUSTED TOO. THIS IS BASICALLY A WIRE BRUSH AND A CAN OF PAINT. BUT THIS IS NOT THE KIND OF -- I DON'T THINK THE IMAGE WE WANT TO BE PROJECTING WITH OUR BRAND NEW MARINA. IF YOU LOOK THE PILE

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GUIDES HERE YOU CAN SEE THIS ONE IS NOT WORKING, IS BENT. THERE'S PLENTY OF SHELLS ON THERE. A NUMBER OF THE PILE GUIDES ARE LIKE THIS. THESE THINGS NEED TO BE FIXED. SO, THOSE WITH THE MARINA, THE PILINGS GO -- THE FLOATS GO UP AND DOWN AND THEY NEED TO BE REPAIRED AND MAINTAINED. AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THE PILE GUIDES. THIS IS BASICALLY MAINTENANCE.

THEY NEED TO BE SCRAPED AND TAKEN CARE OF. BECAUSE THOSE ROLLERS CAN'T WORK WITH ALL THAT SHELLING ON THERE. SO, THERE'S IMPEDIMENT TO THE DOCK GOING UP AND DOWN SMOOTHLY. THE RAILING, IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT ALONG THERE ALL THE RUB RAILING GOES ALONG THE BOTTOM THERE. THE RUB RAILING IS GONE. IT'S BASICALLY THERE NEEDS TO BE RUB RAILING THERE. DO YOU HAVE YOUR POINTER? I GOT IT. SO THE RUB RAILING'S RIGHT ALONG HERE. IT'S A RUBBER RAILING AND IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. IT'S NOT REAL DIFFICULT. IT'S NOT EXPENSIVE. THE NEXT ONE PLEASE.

YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S ALL BROKEN UP. THIS JUST NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. THIS IS REGULAR MAINTENANCE. IT CAN BE DONE ON AN ONGOING BASIS SO THAT IT ALWAYS LOOKS NICE AND WORKS.

THIS GANGWAY IS WHAT GOES UP AND DOWN. AND THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THIS GANGWAY UNDERNEATH HERE THERE SHOULD BE A PIECE OF METAL UNDERNEATH THE END OF THE GANGWAY SO THAT THE -- I'M HAVING TROUBLES WITH THIS POINTER. IT'S DEAD. UNDER THE GANGWAY THERE THERE SHOULD BE A PIECE OF METAL SO IT'S NOT MAKING GOING INTO THE CONCRETE THERE WHICH HAS BEEN DONE ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO, IT IS A SIMPLE FIX BUT IT'S MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. YOU CAN SEE THE NON-STICK TREADS. PEOPLE WALK UP AND DOWN THIS. THESE ARE ALL PEOPLE GOING TO KEVIN MCCARTHY'S BOATS. THIS IS A SIMPLE FIX. IT'S MAINTENANCE. IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

THE TIE BARS AND THE WHALING. THIS IS THE ONE I WAS TALKING TO THE FELLA. THE TIE BARS ARE THE THING THAT GO THROUGH THE PIER AND THEY'RE METAL. AND THEY HAVE -- MANY OF THEM HAVE RUSTED OUT. AND IF A STORM COMES IN FROM THE NORTH THESE PIERS GO UP AND DOWN AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THEY'RE GOING TO BREAK UP BECAUSE THE TIE BARS HAVEN'T BEEN REPLACED. AND I WAS TALKING TO BELLINGHAM RECOMMENDED EITHER PUT IN STAINLESS STEEL OR FIBERGLASS TIE RODS AND THEN THOSE WHALERS, THE WOOD ALONG THERE, A LOT OF THEM ARE BROKEN UP AND NEED TO BE REPLACED. I ASKED THEM WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD COST. WE'RE TALKING BETWEEN $150,000 TO $250,000. BUT WHAT HE SAID WAS, IF YOU DO THAT, THESE PIERS OUT HERE WILL LAST ANOTHER 30 YEARS. WITH MAINTENANCE HE SAYS IF YOU DON'T MAINTAIN THEM THEY'RE GOING TO FALL APART AND IN THE LAST NOR'EASTER THEY WERE ROCKING AND ROLLING AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO BREAK UP. IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND DONE SHORTLY. AGAIN, IF YOU PUSH DOWN, THIS IS A CLEAT THERE. IF YOU PUSH DOWN RIGHT THERE, THE WHOLE THING GOES DOWN AND THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. THE TIE BAR IS RUSTED THROUGH. SO THOSE NEED TO BE REPLACED. NEXT PLEASE. AS YOU CAN SEE THE CONCRETE THERE IS RUSTING SO THAT TELLS YOU THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON THAT SHOULDN'T BE GOING ON AND THAT NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED AND MAINTAINED AND FIGURED OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE REBAR THAT'S INSIDE THAT CONCRETE. AGAIN, MORE OF THE REBAR THERE THAT'S BEEN RUSTED OUT. THE FIRE BOXES. FOUR FIRE BOXES ON THOSE PIERS. TWO OF THEM I COULD NOT GET OPEN BECAUSE THEY WERE CORRODED AND THE TWO THAT I COULD GET OPEN THEY'RE OUT OF DATE BY ABOUT A MONTH. SO THE FIRE PROTECTION THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T BE USED SO THAT'S A PROBLEM. THAT'S JUST ROUTINE MAINTENANCE. A CHECKLIST IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

NEXT ONE. SO, WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GO FROM HERE? WE NEED MAINTENANCE DONE. I WOULD ASK THE CITY MANAGER WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GO, NUMBER 1, TO GET MAINTENANCE DONE. NUMBER 2, WHERE'S THE MONEY GUY -- GOING TO GET AN ESTIMATE WHAT THE TIE BARS AND WHALERS ARE GOING TO COST AND GET THAT DONE IN A FEASIBLE AMOUNT OF TIME. ANYBODY ELSE?

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>> MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER? >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: MY FIRST

QUESTION IS WHO IS RESPONSIBLE. IS WEST RESPONSIBLE BY CONTRACT? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: GO BACK TO

THE SECOND SLIDE. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: THE CONTRACT ITSELF, ARE THEY RESPONSIBLE? COMMISSION ROSS THIS IS THE LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT. RIGHT THERE.

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: IF THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE, THEY HAVE TO DO IT. >> COMM

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP FOR A YEAR. TO BE HONEST I DON'T BRING THINGS

UP IN PUBLIC FOR THE FIRST TIME. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: IF IT'S IN THEIR CONTRACT WE NEED TO SEND A LETTER OR DO WHATEVER. JOE'S HERE AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. IF THEY DON'T CONCUR -- IT IS A

SAFETY ISSUE. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: YOU CAN'T OPEN THE FIRE BOX.

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: SO I JUST SAY, IF IT'S WITHIN TERMS OF THEIR CONTRACT THEY NEED TO BE DIRECTED TO DO IT, IN MY OPINION. YOU HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT IT'S THERE. IF NOT, IF IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITYING THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE IT SAFE. THERE IS A QUESTION. THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY HAVE SAID PUBLICLY THAT THE ATTENUATORS WOULDN'T HAVE FAILED IN MATTHEW IF THEY WERE MAINTAINED. YOU

KNOW. SO WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, I THINK. >> MAYOR MILLER: CITY ATTORNEY?

>> I JUST WANTED TO ADD MAYBE UNDER THE CONTRACT WEST TRACK'S RESPONSIBILITY TO BE IN CHARGE OF REPAIR MAINTENANCE. THE CITY BUDGET IS TO IMPROVE. WE BUY THE MATERIALS.

>> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I HAVE HEARD THE SAME THING ABOUT THE ATTE ATTENUATORS. BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. WHAT I DON'T WANT IS THE TWO NORTHERN DOCKS TO HAVE THE SAME FATE.

>> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH? >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: SO WE HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST OF MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS WHAT I HEARD BY OUR FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY. CITY MANAGER COULD WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON EACH ITEM ON COMMISSIONER ROSS'S LIST AND EITHER WHETHER IT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF OR WHAT THE PLAN TO HAVE THOSE REPAIRS

MADE? THANK YOU. >> MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER?

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: IF IT'S IN THEIR CONTRACT, SHOULD WE NOT DIRECT WESTRAC TO DO THAT RATHER

THAN THE CITY MANAGER? >> I THINK I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH TO BASICALLY I NEED TO ENGAGE WESTRAC AND WE'LL COME UP WITH THE PLAN.

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: WE WANT TO HOLD PEOPLE TO THE CONTRACT. IF WE HAVE TO PAY OKAY BUT LET'S

TASK THEM TO DO IT. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: MY INTENT WAS FOR THE CITY MANAGER

TO DIRECT THE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR MILLER: DOES THAT

COMPLETE 9.2 FOR YOU? >> COMMISSIONER: IT DOES. >> MAYOR MILLER: 9.3 PLAYGROUND

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ACCESSIBILITY. MR. ROSS YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: THANK YOU.

RECENTLY IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO IT'S BEEN STATED THAT VARIOUS PUBLIC FORUMS THAT SIX OUT OF THE SEVEN CITY PLAYGROUNDS ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE TO ALL CHILDREN. THERE WAS AN OPINION ARTICLE THAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE NOVEMBER 14TH OBSERVER THAT SAID, QUOTE, AND IT WAS A VERY MOVING ARTICLE AND WHAT GOT MY ATTENTION. IN FACT WHEN FAMILIES GO TO LOOK FOR A PLAYGROUND THERE IS ONLY ONE, THE PIRATE PLAYGROUND. IT'S TUCKED BEHIND THE REC CENTER BUILD BY EIGHT FLAGS IN 2014. ITS GOAL WAS TO PROVIDE A PLAY AREA FOR ALL. THERE WAS AN IMPRESSIVE AMOUNT OF STUDY THAT WENT INTO ITS DESIGN AND NOW IT'S DESTINATION PARK THAT DRAWS PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER. BUT THE SENTENCE THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION AND CAUSED ME GREAT CONCERN WAS THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY JUST ONE LITTLE PARK WITH ABOUT HALF-ACRE OF PLAYGROUND.

MY CONCERN IS WE HAVE SEVEN PLAYGROUNDS, SIX OTHER PLAYGROUNDS, WHY WAS THAT ONE THE ONLY PLAYGROUND THAT WAS ACCESSIBLE TO ALL CHILDREN? THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ARTICLE BY -- IT WAS A COMMENT BY WARREN WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF AIR EIGHT FLAGS. HE WROTE BY LAW PARKS COMPLY WITH AMERICAAGES WITH DISABILITIES BUT HE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN ALL COMPONENTS ARE WHEELCHAIR AND HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE. SO, I WAS CONCERNED, AND THE REASON I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA, WAS THAT I WAS CONCERNED THAT THE OUR OTHER PARKS ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE TO ALL

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CHILDREN. THE PARKS AND REC SENT A MEMO OUT LATER THAT SAID THAT -- I'LL JUST READ THE PERTINENT PART, THAT THEY ARE ADA ACCESSIBLE. ACCESSIBLE PATHS LEADING FROM THE BUILDING OR PARKING LOT TO THE EDGE OF THE PLAYGROUND. AND IT GOES ON AND ON. SO MY QUESTION IS: IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE GOING BUILD AT SIMMONS PARK WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HIGHLY ACCESSIBLE AND THE OTHER PARKS? IF THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, THEN SHOULDN'T WE BE DOING THAT FOR THE OTHER PARKS? AND THAT'S MY QUESTION. SO IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WAS PROPOSED FOR THE SIMMONS PARK AND THESE OTHER PARKS? IF SO, WHAT IS THAT DIFFERENCE AND SHOULD WE BE DOING THAT IN ALL THE PLA PLAYGROUNDS SO ALL KIDS WHO ARE DISABLED CAN USE THESE PLAYGROUNDS WHICH I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND THAT'S

BASICALLY MY QUESTION. >> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH.

>> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: SO WHO DO WE GO TO FOR THE ANSWER? ARE THERE LEVELS OF ADA RATING?

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: APPARENTLY, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO ALL THIS, I AM NOT AN ADA EXPERT -- MAYBE COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN KNOWS OR MAYBE THE PARK PEOPLE HERE KNOW. BUT I DON'T KNOW. WHAT I WANT IS IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE SIMMONS PLAYGROUND PARK THAT MAKES IT ACCESSIBLE FOR ALL CHILDREN, WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS TOUTED TO BE, THEN WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT AT ALL THE OTHER PARKS. THAT'S BASICALLY -- SO I WANT TO KNOW IF THERE IS A DIFFERENCE AND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS AND WHAT IT WOULD COST TO FUND THAT AND HOW WE SHOULD GO ABOUT DOING THAT IF THAT'S THE ROLE OF THE COMMISSION. I REACHED OUT TO TRE WARREN AND ASKED HIM TO TAKE A WALK. AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID INSTEAD OF DOING THAT WE'RE GOING GET YOU A WHEELCHAIR AND HAVE YOUR WIFE PUSH YOU AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE IF THAT WORKS SO YOU CAN SEE. AND THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I'M GOING TO DO THAT SOMETIME IN JANUARY. BUT MEANTIME I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO ANSWER THE QUESTION: IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WAS GOING TO BE BUILT AT SIMMONS ROAD PARK AND THESE OTHER PARKS AND WHAT IS THE ACCESSIBILITY OF ALL KIDS TO THESE PARKS? APPA APPARENTLY--

>> THAT WOULD BE ME. I THINK I HAVE A PRESENTATION. IT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU READ A LITTLE BIT

OF. I'M NOT SURE IF MR. MARTIN-- >> I'VE GOT IT HERE.

>> OKAY. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET WE ARE PLANNING TO REPLACE, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY, CENTRAL PARK, WHICH IS IN NOT VERY ACCEPTABLE STAND ANDS RIGHT NOW. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE SEEKING DESIGNS FROM DIFFERENT PLAYGROUND COMPANIES AND VENDORS THAT DO THIS. AND ONE OF OUR IMPORTANT COMPONENTS IS MANAGING IT MORE INCLUSIVE.

BECAUSE, AS YOU STATED, YOU FELT THAT THE SIX OF OUR SEVEN PARKS WERE NOT ACCESSIBLE. THEY DO MEET -- AND WE'LL GO OVER THIS. ACCORDING TO ADA, AND THIS IS THE ACCESSIBLE PARK REQUIREMENTS, PLAYGROUND REQUIREMENTS. AN ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND IS ONE THAT OFFERS A RANGE OF PLAY, EXPERIENCES TO CHILDREN OF VARIOUS ABILITIES. THERE MUST BE THE FOLLOWING TO COMPLY WITH THIS. AN ACCESSIBLE PATH FROM THE BUILDING OR PARKING LOT TO THE EDGE OF THE PLAYGROUND. AN ACCESSIBLE PATH FROM THE EDGE OF THE PLAY AREA TO THE EQUIPMENT. SURFACING THAT COMPLIES WITH AMERICANS SOCIETY OF TESTING MATERIALS. 1951 WHICH IS -- DEMONSTRATION ACCESSIBILITY OF SURFACE SYSTEMS UNDER AND AROUND PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. ONCE A CHILD IS IN A PLAY AREA THEY MUST BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE PLAY EQUIPMENT BY MOVING OUT OF THEIR MOBILITY DEVICE ON TO THE PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE SUCH AS A TRANSFER STATION OR BY DIRECT PLAY STRUCTURE ACCESS IN THEIR MOBILITY DEVICE WHICH WOULD BE A STRUCTURE THEY CAN ROLL RIGHT UP TO OR A RAMP. THE CITY PROVIDES THE FOLLOWING PLAYGROUNDS WHICH ALL MEET THE ABOVE STATED ADA REQUIREMENTS. SO, YOU SEE ATLANTIC, MAIN BEACH, MLK, EGANS CREEK, CENTRAL PARK AND PIRATE PARK. HERE IS WHERE WE GET TO THE INCLUSIVE OR SENSORY PLAYGROUNDS WHICH YOU ARE GOING TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE MONEY. WELL QUITE A BIT MORE MONEY. BUT YOU ARE GOING TO PROVIDE ACCESS FOR ALL. INCLUSIVE IS ENSURING THAT PEOPLE FEEL THEY BELONG OR ENGAGED AND CONNECTED.

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IT GOES BEYOND WHEELCHAIR ACCESS. ALL INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUNDS ARE ACCESSIBLE BUT NOT ALL ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUNDS ARE INCLUSIVE. AN INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND IS ONE THAT OFFERS HANDICAP ACCESS PEMT, FUN AND ACCESSING PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THAT ALL CHILDREN CAN ENJOY AND PROVIDES AN INTERACTIVE ENVIRONMENT THAT PROVIDES A PHYSICAL, SOCIAL AND SENSORY EXPERIENCE THAT EVERYONE CAN SHARE. A SENSORY PLAYGROUND IS ONE THAT CONTAINS PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, ELEMENTS THAT STIMULATE ONE OF THE SEVEN SENSES WHICH IS TOUCH, MOVEMENT, SMELL, TASTE, SIGHT, HEARING AND BALANCE. SORRY. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A COUGH.

INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUNDS AND SENSORY PLAYGROUNDS ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME. THE GOAL WITH BOTH OF THESE IS TO ENSURE A PLAYGROUND DESIGN THAT GIVES ALL CHILDREN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY SIDE-BY-SIDE. THE CITY PROVIDES THE FOLLOWING PARKS SLASH PLAYGROUNDS WHICH MEET THE ABOVE STATED ADA REQUIREMENTS AND ARE CONSIDERED INCLUSIVE AS THE EQUIPMENT IS DESIGNED TO CHALLENGE ALL CHILDREN WITHOUT SEGREGATION OR SIGMATIZATION. SO WE HAVE EGANS CREEK AND PIRATE PARK. THESE TWO PARKS WE PARTNERED WITH AFLEX PLAY SPACE TO ENSURE -- THEIR MISSION IS TO HAVE INCLUSIVE PARKS FOR PEOPLE WITH ALL DIFFERENT ABILITIES. SO, THE SENSORY PLAY ELEMENTS ARE INCLUDED AT PIRATE PLAYGROUND. THEY HAD THE MUSICAL AREAS. THEY HAVE -- ALL THE EQUIPMENT IS ACCESSIBLE. SO, MUSIC THERAPY IS A TOOL USED FOR CHILDREN WITH AUTISM. ALSO THE STANDING WATER TABLE IS A SENSORY PLAY ELEMENT WHICH HELPS CHILDREN DEVELOP FINE MOTOR SKILLS AS WELL AS COGNITIVE AND SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THEN WE HAVE THE SURFACING -- THESE ARE THE THREE TYPES OF SURFACES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY PARKS. WE HAVE WOOD CHIPS. THESE OFTEN EXCEED THE ADA. AND THE PLAYGROUND SURFACING STANDARDS. ACCORDING TO STUDIES THEY'RE THE MOST EFFECTIVE FOR AVERTING SURFACE INJURIES. WE HAVE THE POUR AND PLACE WHICH WE JUST INSTALLED AT MLK AND ATLANTIC CITY AS WELL AS THE EXISTING AT PIRATE PLAYGROUND. AND THESE ARTIFICIAL SURFACING MATERIALS EXCEED ADA STANDARDS AND THEY'RE DEEMED UNIVERSALLY ACCESSIBLE FOR CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES. THEN WE HAVE ARTIFICIAL GRASS. WE HAVE THAT AT EGAN'S CREEK PARK UNDER THE DOME. THIS HAS A SOFT AND CONSISTENT SURFACE THAT IS ADA ACCESSIBLE FOR EASY WHEELCHAIR ACCESS. SURFACING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF A PLAYGROUND. WITHOUT PROPER SURFACING THERE'S A BARRIER FOR WHEELCHAIRS AND THOSE WITH MOBILITY ISSUES. IDEALLY ALL EQUIPMENT SHOULD PROVIDE ACCESS. BUT IF THAT IS NOT THE CASE ACCESSIBLE SURFACING WILL ALLOW A CHILD TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PLAYGROUND ENVIRONMENT. SO, THAT IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

AND WE DO HAVE A FEW PICTURES SO YOU CAN SEE THAT MAIN BEACH IS MULCH. IT'S BASICALLY WOOD CHIPS. THERE ARE TRANSFER STATIONS WHERE YOU CAN TRANSFER FROM A WHEELCHAIR ON TO THE EQUIPMENT. BUT ONCE YOU ARE ON THE EQUIPMENT YOU HAVE TO USE YOUR UPPER BODY. THERE ARE NO RAMPS HERE. THE NEXT PLAYGROUND WE HAVE -- NOW THIS IS CENTRAL PARK. THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS THIS YEAR BESIDES THE SIMMONS PARK. WE DON'T HAVE A PARTNERSHIP. THIS IS THE CITY.

RIGHT NOW IT'S MULCH AND CONCRETE. SO, WITH THE NEW DESIGN THAT WE'RE SEEKING I DID RECEIVE ONE ALREADY. WE BUDGETED $250,000 AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO FUND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. THIS WOULD BE OUR FOCAL POINT PARK. AS IT IS CENTRAL PARK AND THE MOST USED PARK IN THE CITY. THEN WE HAVE EGANS CREEK PARK. AT THIS ONE WE HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE KAYAK LAUNCH. WE HAVE THE EXPLORE DOME WHICH WAS THE MOST ACCESSIBLE DOME. WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY ROLL UNDER IT. SO, EVEN CHILDREN THAT ARE LIKE THREE AND FOUR, THEY CAN STILL GRAB HOLD OF THINGS AND WHEELCHAIRS CAN ACCESS THIS OFF THE SIDEWALK AND CAN IT GO UP A LITTLE BIT OR IS IT STUCK? THE SIDEWALK GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE DIFFERENT FITNESS COMPONENTS. SO, YOU CAN EASILY ACCESS THAT FROM THE PARKING LOT OR THE SIDEWALKS. THEN WE HAVE THIS EQUIPMENT AS WELL. THIS IS TRAINING EQUIPMENT. AND MANY OF THE DIFFERENT PIECES ARE ACCESSIBLE WHERE YOU CAN USE YOUR WHEELCHAIR. ALL THIS EQUIPMENT IS BODY WEIGHT. SO,

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YOU CAN TRANSFER OVER AND USE YOUR BODY WEIGHT AND TRANSFER BACK TO YOUR CHAIR. NEXT WE HAVE -- THIS IS MAIN BEACH, I MEAN, MLK PLAYGROUND. YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THE CONCRETE SLAB TO THE WOOD CHIPS TO THE SURFACING. THERE IS SENSORY PLAY. THIS ISN'T A WHOLE SHOT OF THE PLAYGROUND. THERE IS SENSORY PLAY WHERE YOU CAN ROLL UP UNDER THE PLAYGROUND AND THERE IS A TRANSFER STATION BUT IT COULD, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE MORE SENSORY ACTIVITY FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES. THEN WE HAVE ATLANTIC PLAYGROUND. THIS YOU SEE THERE'S TWO SURFACINGS AND THE WOOD CHIPS THAT COME FROM THE SIDEWALK. SO, THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER SECTION TO THIS PLAYGROUND BUT YOU CAN'T SEE THERE ARE SENSORY AREAS UNDERNEATH. A WHEELCHAIR CAN GET UNDER THE PLAYGROUND AND CAN TRANSFER FROM A TRANSFER STATION OR FROM THEIR MOBILITY DEVICE TO THE TRANSFER STATION BUT WE DO NOT HAVE RAMPS TO GET YOU UP ON TO THE PLAY GROUND TO COME DOWN A SLIDE. SO, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO IMPROVE IN THIS AREA. SO, WITH THIS NEW DESIGN FOR SIMMONS PARK WHICH IS NOT COMPLETE, IT WILL BE -- BECAUSE OF OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH EIGHT FLAGS IT WILL BE INCLUSIVE AND VERY ACCESSIBLE FOR ALL.

CENTRAL PARK WITH THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE LIMITED TO THE COMPONENTS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE. SO, WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES IN AND YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE IF WE WANT

TO GO A LITTLE BIGGER AND BETTER. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU

MA'AM. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH? >> COMMISSIO >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I'LL

LET YOU GET YOUR COUGH DROP IN. >> SPEAKER: THANKS

>> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT CENTRAL PARK AND MAKING IT INCLUSIVE, YOU

MENTIONED $250,000. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BUDGETED THIS YEAR.

>> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: WHAT IS YOUR ESTIMATE THAT IT WILL COST TO MAKE IT INCLUSIVE

SENSORY? >> SPEAKER: THE ONE I HAVE MOST RECENTLY RECEIVED WAS $350,000.

>> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: OKAY. AND THAT WOULD BE FULLY INCLUSIVE SENSORY, BRING IT UP

TO SPEED? >> SPEAKER: YES. THE ONLY THING THAT DID NOT INCLUDE WAS THE FENCING. SO, WE'D NEED TO ADD MORE FOR THE FENCING. BECAUSE IT'S COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT SOME CHILDREN WITH AUTISM LIKE TO ROAM OFF. AND PARENTS THAT HAVE MULTIPLE CHILDREN ON A PLAYGROUND, IT KIND OF MAKES THEM MORE COMFORTABLE WHEN THEY KNOW THEY'RE SECURED AT LEAST FOR A LITTLE WHILE SO THEY CAN SPOT THEM UNTIL THEY CLIME THE FENCE. SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE

EVERYTHING BUT THE FENCING. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: OKAY GREAT. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHAT I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, IS THAT WE HAVE SEVEN PLAYGROUNDS

>> SPEAKER: WE HAVE SEVEN. THERE'S ONE NOT UP THERE BECAUSE IT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I KNOW. SIX OF THEM, THE SIX REMAINING, THEY'RE ALL ADA ACCESSIBLE.

>> SPEAKER: CORRECT. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: BUT THEY'RE NOT ALL INCLUSIVE? ONLY

TWO OF THEM ARE INCLUSIVE. >> SPEAKER: CORRECT. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO THAT

LEAVES FOUR NOT INCLUSIVE? >> SPEAKER: I WOULDN'T CONSIDER THEM FULLY INCLUSIVE. THERE ARE

SENSORY ACTIVITIES IN THOSE PARKS BUT THEY'RE NOT -- >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO NONE OF THEM -- ONLY TWO -- OKAY. OF THE SIX THAT WE HAVE EXISTING, HOW MANY OF THEM ARE INCLUSIVE?

>> SPEAKER: TWO. PIRATE AND EGANS. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO THAT

LEAVES FOUR THAT ARE NOT. ? >> SPEAKER: YES. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO I QUESTION WOULD BE, BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE EQUAL ACCESS TO ALL OF THESE PARKS, AND I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO ANSWER THIS TONIGHT BUT COULD YOU COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING AND TELL US IF IT IS THE AGREEMENT -- IF THE COMMISSIONERS AGREE AND THE CITY MANAGER, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO

COME BACK AND WHAT IT WOULD COST TO MAKE ALL OF THESE INCLUSIVE? >> SPEAKER: SO, BASICALLY, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THE COST TO DO THE ADDITIONS TO THE FOUR PARKS THAT ARE NOT INCLUSIVE TO MAKE

THEM INCLUSIVE? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: CORRECT. >> SPEAKER: AN ESTIMATE? OKAY.

SURE. I LIKE THAT. >> MAYOR MILLER: ARE YOU DONE? VICE MAYOR KREGER.

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>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: PARKS ARE RATED IN THE CITY PROBABLY HIGHER AND HIGHER, THERE'S ONLY ONE PERCENT NEGATIVE IN PARKS. THERE'S NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT WE WANT TO HAVE ALL INCLUSIVE PARKS. THAT THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL. AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO COST SOME BUCKS AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH IT WITH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AT THE VISIONING SESSION THE 28TH THAT THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO LOOK AT A FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. I THINK MONEY IS AN ISSUE AND WE HAVE TO PROGRESSIVELY LOOK AT THINGS. OF THE 48 BEACH ACCESSES WE HAVE, ONLY 3 ARE ADA. SO, I MEAN, I THINK THEY'RE DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB. I ACTUALLY HAD LUNCH AT MLK YESTERDAY AND IT WAS A FINE -- THERE WAS A LOT OF KIDS THERE. SO, I THINK THAT THE GOAL SHOULD BE THAT. BUT THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT BY LAW. YOU KNOW, WE PROGRESS AND WE DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE GOT. ANOTHER THING THAT WE CAN USE AND I KNOW THERE'S KIND OF A HOLD ON IT, YOU KNOW, THESE PARKS -- MORE PEOPLE GO TO THESE PARKS BECAUSE OF GROWTH GUYS. GROWTH IS WHAT? IMPACT FEES.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. THANK YOU MS. VOIT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY -- YES, MA'AM, GIVE ME ONE SECOND. THANK YOU. LOOKING AT THIS SLIDE SHOW I THINK SHOWS A LOT. ONE OF THE THINGS IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THE LIMITED BUDGET THAT PARKS AND RECREATION HAS, THE PRODUCT THEY'RE SUPPORTING AND PUTTING OUT THERE IS FANTASTIC.

I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU DIDN'T CLEAN UP THESE PARKS TO GET THESE PICTURES TAKEN. THIS IS WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE ALL THE TIME PUBLICLY THANK YOU FOR THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT YOU DO. I MEAN I'VE TRAVELED TO SEVERAL CITIES AND LOOK AT THEIR PARKS AND I'VE NEVER SEEN A CITY THAT PROVIDES THE SERVICE YOU GUYS ARE PROVIDING. YOU ARE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB. SO, PERSONALLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PROVIDING SUCH A GREAT PRODUCT. YES, MA'AM? YOU HAVE TO COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS

FOR THE RECORD. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: DEBBIE WHIFFEN. 108 OCEAN RIDGE DRIVE.

I WANTED TO SAY WITH HER PRESENTATION IT WAS VERY INTERESTING. THE PARKS LOOK VERY NICE. BUT I ALSO HEARD HER SAY THAT THE MAIN USE PARK WAS THE ONE OFF ATLANTIC. THAT'S THE ONE EVERYBODY USED THE MOST. SO, I WAS A -- IN OPPOSITION OF THE SIMMONS PARK. I DON'T DENY THAT. BUT IT BAFFLES ME WHY, IF THE PARK OFF ATLANTIC IS USED THE MOST, WHY WE DON'T PUT ALL THE STUFF WE WERE GOING TO PUT AT SIMMONS PARK THERE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. IF THAT'S OUR MAIN PARK AND YOU SEE THAT WHEN YOU DRIVE IN AND IT'S VERY UP FRONT, WHY DO WE NOT HAVE THAT AS OUR

SHOW PIECE PARK? >> MAYOR MILLER: TWO LIGHTS JUST CAME ON. COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN?

>> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: ONE REASON FOR THAT IS, IF YOU DEAL WITH A PERSON IN A WHEELCHAIR, TO TRANSPORT THEM IN A VEHICLE IS NOT THE EASIEST THING IN THE WORLD. WHY SHOULD A HANDICAPPED CHILD WHO LIVES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CITY HAVE TO BE TRANSPORTED ALL THE WAY ACROSS TO CENTRAL PARK WHEN AN ABLE-BODIED CHILD MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO DOWN THE STREET? HAVE YOU

EVER RIDDEN IN A HANDICAPPED VAN? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I HAVE A

HANDICAP PERSON AS WELL. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO THEN YOU KNOW THAT TRANSPORTING A CHILD TO A PARK AND IT'S LIKE SAYING OKAY WHAT WE'RE GOING DO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS DEPARTMENT STORE HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE. BECAUSE THAT ONE IS ACCESSIBLE WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT STORES BE HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE. DEALING WITH THE PARKS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CHILDREN FEEL -- AND I'LL PUT THIS IN QUOTATION MARKS -- RELATIVELY NORMAL. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU HAD TO GO A DISTANCE TO BE ABLE TO PLAY IN A PARK WHEN THERE ARE OTHER PARKS AROUND THAT YOU CAN'T ACCESS? I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT -- I DON'T

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UNDERSTAND ALL THIS OPPOSITION TO SIMMONS PARK. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTION ABOUT THE PARK OFF ATLANTIC. WHY MOT MAKE THAT THE SHOWPIECE? WHY NOT DO ALL THE THINGS YOU WANT TO DO FOR YOUR HANDINED PERSON AND ALL OF OUR HANDICAPPED PEOPLE, WHY NOT MAKE CENTRAL PARK THE PARK, THE PARK WITH ALL THE GREAT IDEAS THAT EIGHT FLAGS PLAY SCAPE HAD? WHY IS IT LAST ON THE LIST AND IT'S BEING FIXED LAST AND IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT. WHEN PEOPLE DRIVE TO OUR MAIN STREET THEY'RE DRIVING BY THIS PARK AND THINKING THAT'S THEIR PARK. I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY DECIDED ON THE SIMMONS ROAD ONE BUT I'M SAYING WHY USE THAT AND NOT PUT IT IN THE OTHER ONES? YOU KNOW, WHY DOES CENTRAL PARK LOOK LIKE IT DOES? WHY NOT PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS AND PUT A GOOD PARK THERE THAT'S

ACCESSIBLE FOR YOUR CHILD, FOR EVERYBODY ELSE'S CHILD. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: IF WE HAD UNLIMITED BUDGET, I WOULD BE ALL FOR IT. ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO WHEN YOU SIT UP HERE IS MAKE FINANCIAL DECISIONS. IT WOULD BE EASY -- WE COULD SAY COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH JUST DID A PRESENTATION ON THE MARINA. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANY REPAIRS WE'RE GOING TO PUT ALL THE MONEY IN CENTRAL PARK TO MAKE IT HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I JUST THINK YOU ARE FOCUS A LOT ON SIMMONS PARK AND NOT CONSIDERING THE

OTHER PARKS. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER?

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: WE PUT THE PARK AT CENTRAL PARK BECAUSE OUR PLAN REQUIRES PARKS WITHIN HALF MILE OF RESIDENCES. OUR MASTER PLAN ALSO REQUIRES THAT AND IT'S AN A AREA OF INADEQUATE PARK.

THAT'S WHY THE PARK IS GOING THERE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I KNOW I HEARD THAT. I ASKED WHY IS CENTRAL PARK NOT GOING TO BE THE FOCUS --

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: WELL IT WILL. THAT'S THE REASON SIMMONS PARK WILL GO THERE. WHEN SIMMONS PARK GOES THERE, IT'S A NEW PARK. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT AN INCLUSIVE PARK. OKAY? WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR SIMMONS PARK TOTAL 100% WITH IMPACT FEES THAT THOSE PEOPLE HAVE PAID TO

HAVE THE LEVELS OF SERVICE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'VE BEEN TO EVERY MEETING. I KNOW ALL THIS.

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I'M JUST ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION. >> MAYOR MILLER: I THINK I SAID THAT I HAD AN ANSWER. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. THERE'S NO REASON TO BUILD A SUBSTANDARD PARK. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD IT YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD IT FULLY ACCESSIBLE. AND FROM PEOPLE THAT PAID MONEY INTO THE IMPACT FUNDS TO BUILD A NEW HOME FOR EXPANSION WE'RE REQUIRED TO PUT A NEW PARK IN THAT AREA. IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD ONE, IT'S GOING BE ADA. PLUS WE HAVE THE ASSISTANCE OF A NONPROFIT THAT IS KICKING IN A VERY LARGE SHARE OF THAT. IT'S NOT GOING TO DO THAT IN A PARK THAT DOESN'T MEET THEIRIE TEAR YEAH FOR ALL INCLUSIVE PARK. OKAY. IS THAT GOOD FOR YOU, MR. ROSS? OKAY. 9.4. PUBLIC RESTROOM SANITATION

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AND MAINTENANCE. THIS ITEM WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA AT THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONER ROSS.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR SIR. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: THIS CAME UP BECAUSE A NUMBER OF CONSTITUENTS HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE CLEANLINESS OF SOME OF OUR RESTROOMS. THEN I NOTICED THAT THE TDC IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE CLEANING OF A NUMBER OF NOT ONLY THE CITY'S RESTROOMS BUT THE COUNTY'S RESTROOMS OFF THE BEACH. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEIR PROPOSAL, THEY ARE PROPOSING THAT THE RESTROOMS BE CLEANED FOUR TIME AS DAY AS OPPOSED TO WHAT I THINK THE CITY CURRENTLY DOES IS TWICE A DAY. FOUR TIMES A DAY DURING THE SEASON AND THREE TIMES DURING THE OFF SEASON. NUMBER 1, WHEN I WAS A FRESHMAN IN COLLEGE I SPENT NINE MONTHS WITH A PART-TIME JOB CLEANING RESTROOMS IN A HIGH SCHOOL. SO, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS. I ALSO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CLEANLINESS OF BATHROOMS, RESTROOMS IN A PUBLIC FACILITY WHERE I WORK WITH MY OTHER PART-TIME JOB AT THE HOSPITAL. IT'S DIRECTLY A FUNCTION OF HOW OFTEN YOU CLEAN THAT PLACE. I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL OF WHO CLEANS IT THE ONE TIME, BUT THE PEOPLE COME IN AND TRASH THE PLACE. SO, IT IS A FUNCTION OF HOW OFTEN YOU CLEAN IT. SO, I WAS WONDERING WHAT THE CONSENSUS WAS, SHOULD WE BE USING -- IS THE COUNTY'S PROPOSAL, WHICH THE TBC IS GOING TO PAY FOR, IS SHOULD THAT BE THE STANDARD THAT WE SHOULD BE USING FOR CLEANING

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RESTROOMS THAT MANY TIMES A DAY? OR SHOULD WE NOT? AND IF WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT STANDARD, HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR IT? SO, THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

>> MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER? >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: DALE, HAVE YOU GOT MY SLIDE? THE APPA STAFFING STANDARDS. THIS IS BY THE AMERICAN PHYSICAL PLAN ASSOCIATION STAFFING STANDARDS. I HAPPEN TO KNOW A LOT ABOUT THIS STUFF BECAUSE I RAN FACILITIES FOR 20 YEARS. AND THE COUNTY RANGE RAISES FROM $64,000 TO 200 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS ON THAT BID. THE SPECS ARE NOT REALLY WHAT WE WANT. IF WE REALLY WANT SPECS -- GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, WOULD YOU DALE. THIS TELLS YOU THERE'S BASICALLY FIVE LEVELS OF SERVICE. YOU CAN HAVE TOP OF THE LINE SERVICE OR WHAT THEY CALL BENIGN NEGLECT. AND IT'S ALL RELATED TO PAYMENT.

AND WHETHER WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO. SO THAT'S A CHOICE WE MAKE. AND I WOULD SAY IN MY MIND THAT'S A CHOICE THAT PARKS AND RECS ALONG WITH THE CITY MANAGER SHOULD COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. I'VE TALKED AS A RESULT OF WHAT HAPPENED AT THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING OF A RESTROOM, A COMPLAINT, IS THAT WHEN WE DEAL WITH SPECIAL EVENTS THAT WE NEED TO WRITE IN THE CONTRACTS THEY WILL NOT ONLY PAY, THEY WILL HAVE AN ATTENDANT ON DUTY AT THE RESTROOM DURING THE SPECIAL EVENT. BUT I THINK I WOULD LEAVE ALL THAT UP TO THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF TO COME UP WITH THE APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATIONS. I DON'T LIKE THE COUNTY SPECS. THEY'RE NOT VERY GOOD, YOU KNOW, IN MY MIND. IT'S NOT HOW MANY TIMES A DAY. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF STUFF ON HOW YOU CLEAN APPROPRIATE STUFF. THERE'S SEVEN PAGES OF THIS. I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH IT BECAUSE I CAN'T READ IT

>> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER KREGER THAT TO ME THIS IS A CITY MANAGER'S ISSUE. THAT IF WE'RE NOT -- IF THERE'S CONSENSUS WE'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE WAY THEY'RE CLEANED. BUT IT'S HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO INVESTIGATE THIS THING, COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, THEN ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS CHECK ON IT. IT'S PRETTY EASY TO WALK IN AND KNOW. IT'S CLEAN OR NOT CLEAN. IF IT'S NOT BEING CLEANED TO OUR SATISFACTION, THEN IT FALLS BACK ON VARIOUS PEOPLE. BUT TO MAKE THIS A MAJOR ISSUE FOR THE CITY COMMISSION I JUST DON'T SEE IT. I THINK IT IS A CITY MANAGER'S

RESPONSIBILITY. >> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS?

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I WOULD AGREE WITH BOTH COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN AND KREGER. IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY. I'M MERELY BRINGING IT UP BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE WAS A NEW STANDARD BROUGHT FORWARD AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF UNHAPPY RESIDENTS AND IF WE COULD ADDRESS IT AND INSTEAD OF THE -- I GET THE IDEA THAT THERE'S A CONSENSUS HERE THAT THEY SHOULD COME BACK WITH A PLAN AND AS COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH OFTEN SAYS WITHIN A DATE CERTAIN. WHAT DO YOU THINK

MIGHT BE RESPONSIBLE, CITY MANAGER? >> PROBABLY 60 DAYS.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: PERFECT. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND DOES THAT CONCLUDE

YOUR ITEM, SIR? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: IT DOES. >> MAYOR MILLER: ITEM 10. CITY

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MANAGER REPORTS. >> THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK AFTER TWO WEEKS. I DID MISS MOST OF YOU GUYS LIKE TO CONGRATULATE VICE MAYOR KREGER ON HIS APPOINTMENT AS PRESIDENT OF THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL OF GOVERNANCE. REMINDER THAT CITY HALL AND ALL CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED NEXT TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY FOR CHRISTMAS EVE AND CHRISTMAS DAY. AS I HAVE ANNOUNCED, MY WIFE AND I ARE AGAIN HOSTING THE CHRISTMAS DAY DINNER. THIS YEAR AT THE COUNCIL ON AGING. IT IS A COMMUNITY POT LUCK. EVERYBODY AND ANYBODY IS INVITED. WE DO HAVE THE MAIN COURSE TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. WE'LL START SETTING UP AT 2:00 AND SERVE DINNER FROM 2:30 TO 4:30 AND GO LATER IF WE HAVE TO. IT WAS A GREAT EVENT LAST YEAR AND LOOK

FORWARD TO THIS YEAR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON THAT. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER ROSS, I HAVE 10.1 YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY MANAGER.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I DO. THANK YOU. I'VE HAD SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OF THE PARKS AND

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REC BOARD AND THE P.A. B. MENTION THAT THEY ARE NOT GETTING THEIR PACKET A WEEK AHEAD OF TIME. AND I WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE CITY MANAGER COULD DO ABOUT THAT AND PUT SOME

DATE IN THERE THAT SUPPORTS THEIR CLAIM. >> THAT IS THE STANDARD. AND I WILL WORK TO ENSURE THAT THE STANDARD IS BEING MET THROUGH MY CONSOLATION WITH -- CONSULTATION

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WITH EACH OF THE DIRECTORS. >> MAYOR MILLER: CITY ATTORNEY? >> I AM GOING TO BE TAKING SOME TIME OFF FOR THE HOLIDAYS BUT JUST AROUND TOWN DOING PROJECTS. SO, YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ME IF YOU NEED TO. I WILL START THAT ON THE 24TH WHICH IS A CITY HOLIDAY AND COME BACK ON THE 2ND. ALSO KATIE IS OUT ON MATERNITY LEAVE AS OF THIS MORNING. SHE HAS NOT HAD THE BABY BUT WE'RE HOPING SHE WILL SOON BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN AT IT ALL DAY. WE HAVE WELL WISHES FOR HER. SHE'LL BE BACK END OF MARCH. AND IN THE MEANTIME I HAVE GABBY IN MY OFFICE WHO IS THERE PART-TIME. SO, IF YOU NEED TO REACH ME AND WE'RE NOT ANSWERING THE OFFICE PHONE YOU

WILL HAVE TO TRY MY CELL PHONE. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU MA'AM. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF

LIGHTS ON. CITY MANAGER? >> WE DO HAVE THE ANNUAL SERVICE AWARDS BREAKFAST THIS FRIDAY.

HOPEFULLY YOU CAN ALL ATTEND. WE RECOGNIZE THE TERMS OF SERVICE AND THE TENURE OF SEVERAL CITY EMPLOYEES. THAT'S AT THE GOLF COURSE FRIDAY MORNING.

>> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH? >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I'D LIKE AN UPDATE ON AMELIA BLUFF. IT'S BEEN 30 DAYS SINCE THE ISSUE OF NOTICE OF VIOLATION.

AND IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO SUBMIT A MITIGATION PLAN

>> YES. AND I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED -- I WAS INVOLVED IN ONE MEETING. IT WAS ABOUT TEN DAYS AGO. ANOTHER ONE IS HAPPENING TOMORROW WITH KELLY GIBSON. AND THIS IS WITH THEIR TREE RESTORATION PLAN. SO, AT THE LAST MEETING WAS A PLAN WITH -- AND I DON'T MEAN TO MINIMIZE IT, BUT IT HAD A BUNCH OF DOTS ON IT. IT WAS KELLY GIBSON TAKING IT BACK TO THE ARBORIST TO GO OVER IT. I AM ASSUMING THAT THEY HAVE SOME MODIFICATIONS AND SUGGESTIONS THAT INCLUDED TYPE OF TREE AND ALL OF THAT THAT GOES ALONG. THEN IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, I THINK THIS IS ABOUT RIGHT, THERE ARE -- AND WE DO THIS BY INCHES. THERE ARE 554 INCHES REMOVED.

AND THOSE SAME INCHES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE REPLACED INCH OR INCH. IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT INCH OR INCH, THERE'S A FEE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT THEY HAVE 150 INCHES LEFTOVER. SO THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED, WELL PROPOSED REPLANTING 400 INCHES. THEY'RE ALL SHADE TREES. MAGNOLIAS, ELMS, MAPLES AND OAK TREES, LIVE OAK TREES. SO THE 150 THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR. THERE'S ANOTHER MEETING ON MY CALENDAR TOMORROW. I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW OTHER THAN THE PLANS COMING BACK TO TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN. SO, I'M SORT OF JUST OBSERVING. BUT IT IS WELL IN -- NOBODY IS SITTING

ON THEIR LAURELS. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROSS?

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN -- FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO SAY THAT THE OCEAN HIGHWAY PORT AUTHORITY IS HAVING A MEETING ON THE 6TH OF JANUARY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THEIR MASTER PLAN. I'M WORKING THAT DAY SO I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND. IF SOMEBODY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THAT. SECOND OF ALL, IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN UPDATE ON MOVING THE CHANNEL AND THE PILOT PROGRAM AND OUR LACK OF SUCCESS OR NON-SUCCESS WITH THE PORT.

>> THANK YOU. THERE'S TWO ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH WITH THE PORT AUTHORITY. ONE IS THE CONFLICT RESOLUTION. THE DISPUTE RESOLUTION. SO THEY HAVE ACCEPTED OUR INVITATION TO MEET ON JANUARY 7TH AT 3:00 P.M. TODAY THAT HAS TO BE ADVERTISED IN THE NEWSPAPER. IT'S CALLED A CONFLICT ASSESSMENT MEETING. AND THAT IS NONE OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS BUT THEY SAY CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR. SO, DALE MARTIN AND I WILL ATTEND FOR THE CITY. AND FOR THE PORT AUTHORITY IT WILL BE THEIR ATTORNEY MR. BRANHAM AND TWO OF THEIR COMMISSIONERS. IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING ANYWAY AND I'VE ACTUALLY DONE THE AGENDA TODAY AND I JUST PUT EVERYBODY'S NAME THAT IS PARTICIPATING. EVERYBODY'S WELCOME TO ATTEND FROM THE PUBLIC. WE'LL BE RIGHT HERE IN THE CHAMBERS. AND YOU CAN LISTEN. I CAN TELL YOU IT'S GOING BE AN ANTI-CLIMATIC MEETING BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO THE CITY SAYS YOU OWE US THE PAYMENT AND THE PORT AUTHORITY SAYS WE DON'T OWE YOU THE PAYMENT. THE ISSUES ARE BASICALLY STATED TO THE PUBLIC.

WHAT IS THE CONFLICT. AND THEN THE NEXT STEP FROM THERE IS TO SET A JOINT PUBLIC MEETING.

HOWEVER, IF ONE SIDE OR BOTH DECIDES THAT JOINT PUBLIC MEETING, WHICH AGAIN IS A STATEMENT OF THE ISSUES, BUT THEN THE ELECTED OFFICIALS GET TOGETHER IF THERE'S ACTUALLY

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SOME HOPE THAT WE CAN RESOLVE IT THERE IN PUBLIC, WE WOULD. BUT WE CAN, AND THAT'S IF SOMETHING FOR YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT AND HELP ME AND MR. MARTIN WITH, IS IF WE CAN'T -- YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S A CHANCE WE CAN RESOLVE IT WE JUST GO RIGHT TO MEDIATION. AND WE SKIP THE JOINT PUBLIC MEETING. SO, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. THAT'S JANUARY 7TH AT 3. THEN THE OTHER PART OF IT IS MOVING THE CHANNEL AND INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. WHICH I PROPOSED SOME TERMS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY HAD SOME QUESTIONS, CONCERNS. THEIR ATTORNEY THE VERY NEXT DAY AFTER THEIR MEETING WHICH WAS DECEMBER 11TH OR 12TH IS I SENT THEM AN EMAIL SAYING, WHAT IS UP WITH THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. HE SAID I JUST NEED TO MAKE A FEW CHANGES.

DID I FORWARD THAT YOU TODAY? I THINK I DID. HE SEEMED POSITIVE. SO, HE SAID IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE JUST ABOUT THERE SO WE'LL SEE. I HAVE A NOTE ON MY CALENDAR FOR THURSDAY MORNING TO POKE HIM AGAIN AND SEE WHERE IT IS. THAT'S THE STATUS. ANYTHING ELSE? SORRY YOU HAD TO ASK ME

THAT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD OUT THE LIST. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. CITY CLERK? >> NO REPORT, SIR. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. OKAY. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I'D LIKE

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TO MAKE TWO. ONE IS ABOUT DICKENS ON CENTER. I THINK THAT WAS A FANTASTIC THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB. I LEARN ADD DETAIL TONIGHT I WASN'T AWARE OF. THAT KIDS GIVE THEIR LETTER FOR SANTA CLAUS TO SANTA CLAUS. AND THE TDC -- AND THERE'S LIKE I THINK THEY SAID 1,800 OF

THESE. >> COMMISSIONER: 18,000. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: NO 1,800.

I HEARD 1,800. YOU HEARD 18,000. I DON'T THINK IT'S 18,000. THAT THEY PERSONALLY ANSWER ALL THOSE LETTERS. I THINK THAT'S JUST SO WONDERFUL. AND I JUST THINK THAT WAS A WONDERFUL FAIR. THEY SAID IT WAS ABOUT 20,000 PEOPLE. I USED THE 210 NORTH PARKING TEST WHICH IS SHRIMP FEST, THE SHRIMP DROP AND FOURTH OF JULY THEY PARK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON OUR STREET.

SO, I KNOW IT'S PRETTY FULL WHEN THEY'RE PARKING ON OUR STREET AND THEY WERE PARKING ON OUR STREET. SO, I THINK THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB AND SHOUT OUT TO THEM. IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.

THE SECOND THING IS TOMORROW KEEPING NASSAU BEAUTIFUL IS GOING TO HAVE A TREE PLANTING OF THEIR FIRST OF 300 PARKS AT CENTRAL PARK AT 10:00. IF PEOPLE WANT TO ATTEND, I'M GOING TRY TO BE THERE. I THINK THAT'S A WONDERFUL PROGRAM. AND THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH SAID IN THE PAST. AT LEAST THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH PLANTING TREES AND I THINK

THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION THE TDC WHEN THEY RECEIVE THOSE LETTERS DO FORWARD THOSE ON TO SANTA CLAUS AND HE ANSWERS THE LETTERS

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU VERY

MUCH SIR. COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN? >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: AT THE LAST MEETING DURING THE DISCUSSION OF 11.3 THE FLORIDA OCEAN ALLIANCE, COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU SAID JUST TO COMMISSIONER KREGER, QUOTE, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHEN YOU PRESENT YOUR IDEAS ARE YOU REPRESENTING YOURSELF OR THIS COMMISSION? AND YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION TWICE. NOW YOU'VE HELD MEETINGS WITH THE RAILROAD, FDOT, FPU, COMING UP WITH A PLAN TO BURY THE LINES ON FRONT STREET INCLUDING THE COSTS. I BELIEVE YOU'VE MET WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. YOU'VE MET WITH THE BEACH WALKOVER COMPANIES. YOU'VE MADE PRESENTATIONS BEFORE THE MARINA ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THE MARINA DEBT. YOU CERTAINLY HAVE MET WITH THE PORT AUTHORITY, WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS: WHEN YOU MAKE THOSE PRESENTATIONS, ARE YOU REPRESENTING YOURSELF OR ARE YOU REPRESENTING THIS COMMISSION? AND I BRING THIS UP IN LIGHT OF A LETTER THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM MICHAEL MULLINS AND HE SAID, WHEN THE NASSAU COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WAS MEETING THEY WERE DISCUSSING MAKING A PIECE OF LAND RECREATIONAL. ANYWAY, COMMISSIONER LEAPER COMMENTED THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS TOLD HIM THAT HE WOULD NOT SUPPORT RECREATION AT THIS SITE AND IT SHOULD BE CONSERVATION. THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS REQUESTED THAT I INQUIRE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS REFLECTS THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION AS A WHOLE OR IS THIS AN INDIVIDUAL OPINION? SINCE YOU DID QUESTION

COMMISSIONER KREGER, I'D LIKE YOU TO PLEASE ANSWER THAT. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SURE.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I ALWAYS MAKE IT INCREDIBLY CLEAR, THAT I AM ONE COMMISSIONER OUT OF FIVE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THREE VOTES. AND THIS IS MY OPINION. AND HERE ARE MY CONCERNS. I ALWAYS SAY, I REITERATE I AM ONLY ONE OF FIVE AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS MAY THINK DIFFERENTLY BUT HERE'S MY VIEW ON IT. AND I AGREE WITH THAT. AND I THINK EVERY CITY

COMMISSIONER SHOVED BE DOING THAT. >> COMMISSIONER: I QUESTION BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS SOME CONFUSION AT LEAST WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT THEY ARE NOT PERFECTLY CLEAR AS TO WHO YOU REPRESENT. AND I THINK THAT'S -- IT SAYS THAT IN THE

LETTER. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SURE. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CONCERNS THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT BESIDES JUST THAT THAT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING?

>> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: I DO. I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT A COMMISSIONER GETS INTO THE WEEDS WITH THE RAILROAD, WITH FDOT, WITH LPU, THESE ARE ALL ONGOING PROJECTS THAT INVOLVE ALL OF US.

THEY INVOLVE THE CITY MANAGER, SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS. I JUST HAVE CONCERNS. HOW YOUR

INTERACTION WITH THESE PEOPLE IS VIEWED. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: HOW CAN I -- I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. HOW CAN I AMELIORATE YOUR CONCERNS?

>> COMMISSIONER: CHOP I WOULD SAY NEVER ASK ME A QUESTION UNLESS YOU WANT AN HONEST

ANSWER. KEEP YOUR FINGERS OUT OF A LOT OF THE POTS. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: AND IF I COULD -- SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT YOU FEEL THAT I AM INTERFERING IN THE CITY

BUSINESS? >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: YES. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: OKAY. WHY

DO YOU FEEL THAT WAY? COMMISSION >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: IF YOU GO TO -- I'LL PICK FPU. GO TO THEN AND AS FAR AS I KNOW NONE OF US KNOW YOU WERE DOING THIS AND COME BACK TO US WITH A PLAN EXPLAINING HOW THEY WILL BURY THE POWER LINES ON I'M NOT -- I DON'T THINK ANY OF US GAVE

CONSENSUS TO TALK TO FPU ABOUT THAT PROJECT. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: HOW WOULD

YOU LIKE ME TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: IF YOU ARE GOING TO THESE MEETINGS LET US KNOW. OR SOMEHOW MAKE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR THAT -- LIKE WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THEY UNDERSTAND. HONESTLY I GUESS THE PART THAT REALLY BOTHERED ME WAS IN MY OPINION YOU QUESTIONED THE INTEGRITY OF COMMISSIONER KREGER BY ASKING IF IT WAS HIS OPINIONS OR WAS HE REPRESENTING OURS. AND I TOOK THAT AS AN ATTACK ON HIS

INTEGRITY. JUST MAKING MY COMMENTS. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: WELL, WHAT I AM HEARING IS YOU THINK I WAS ATTACKING COMMISSIONER KREGER'S INTEGRITY, I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. WHEN YOU GO TO A MEETING AND YOU WERE JUST AT A MEETING, COMMISSIONER KREGER WAS JUST AT A MEETING YOU SAID WITH THE COUNTY, YOU DIDN'T ASK OUR PERMISSION TO GO THERE. I DIDN'T WANT YOUR PERMISSION TO GO THERE. I VIEW ONE OF THE -- I VIEW ONE OF THE FUNCTIONS OF CITY COMMISSIONERS TO GO FORTH AND COLLECT DATA AND TALK TO PEOPLE AND GET DIFFERENT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS. I THINK THAT'S A POSITION OF THE CITY -- BUT YOU SHOULD MAKE IT INCREDIBLY CLEAR YOU ARE JUST THERE GETTING INFORMATION AND FINDING OUT THINGS. AND THAT

YOU DO NOT REPRESENT THE CITY'S POSITION. >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: AGAIN I WILL HAVE TO PERHAPS ASK COMMISSIONER LEAPER WHERE HIS MISUNDERSTANDING OF YOUR REPRESENTATION CAME FROM. BECAUSE IT'S IN THEIR LETTER TO US. SO THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I CAN HELP YOU WITH?

>> COMM >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: NO THAT'S FINE. APPARENTLY I GUESS I WILL BE THE SUBJECT OF AN ARTICLE IN THE NEWS LEADER ABOUT MY ROLE AS LIAISON WITH THE PARK

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AND REC COMMISSION. I'VE DONE QUITE A BIT OF CHECKING ON THE ROLE OF A LIAISON. AND THERE IS NO DEFINED RESPONSIBILITIES FOR A LIAISON. I TOOK THAT POSITION AS ONE WHO WOULD SIT AND LISTEN IF ASKED A QUESTION I WOULD ANSWER IT. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT A COMMISSIONER SHOULD BE ADD ADDRESSING ADVISORY BOARDS BECAUSE IT WOULD IMPACT ON THEIR DECISION MAKING. IT COULD IMPACT ON THE DECISION MAKING. I GUESS THAT PART OF IT WAS BECAUSE I DID NOT RELAY TO THE COMMISSION WHEN SIMMONS PARK CAME UP THAT THE PARK AND REC BOARD HAD VOTED TO POSTPONE THAT. PART OF THE REASON I DIDN'T BOTHER TO SAY ANYTHING WAS BECAUSE I KNEW ONE COMMISSIONER HAD A 60-PLUS SLIDE PRESENTATION THAT INCLUDED WHAT THAT VOTE WOULD BE. 38 YEARS OF HEARING MYSELF SPEAK, I DON'T NEED TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO MYSELF. SO, I DIDN'T BOTHER TO BRING IT FORWARD. IF IT PLEASES THE PARK AND REC ADVISORY BOARD, AS THEIR LIAISON, I WILL REPORT THAT AT THEIR LAST MEETING THEY UNANIMOUSLY VOTED THAT WE SHOULD LOOK INTO PUTTING POLLUTION SENSORS ONLY AT SIMMONS PARK. BECAUSE OF A POLLUTANT MP2.5.

SO, I GUESS I AM FULFILLING MY LIAISON DUTY BY SAYING THAT. I DO HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THOUGH. I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY ONLY SIMMONS PARK WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THESE CHEMICALS.

ALSO, IF THE PM 2.5 IS SUCH A CONCERN, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THE MARINA PARK. BECAUSE IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN A MARINA AND YOU WATCH A BOAT START, THEY GIVE OFF QUITE A BIT OF TOXIC SMOKE. SO, PERHAPS DOWN THE ROAD WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AS SOMETHING THAT FOR HEALTH WISE AS THIS WAS RAISED AT THE PARK AND REC MEETING WE SHOULD ABANDON. THEN ON A BETTER NOTE, I ATTENDED THE COUNCIL ON AGING GALA. MY WIFE AND I.

TREMENDOUS EVENT. RAISED A LOT OF MONEY. IT WAS A VERY NICE AFFAIR. MY WIFE AND I ATTENDED THE BOOK SIGNING AT BUDDY JACOBS HOUSE WITH SUE-ANN. WE GOT COPIES OF THE NEW BOOK WHICH I HOPE EVERYBODY BUYS. THE SHOP FOR COPS WAS HELD LAST WEEK, I BELIEVE, AND THEY SERVICED 151 CHILDREN. SO, CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS. THAT'S AN OUTSTANDING PROGRAM. ALSO, THE JOY TO THE CHILDREN WAS HELD. THEY BASICALLY HELP SERVICE 166 KIDS AND I CONGRATULATE THEM ON THEIR EFFORTS AT THE HOLIDAY SEASON. WHEN YOU ARE A LITTLE KID AND WAKE UP, WHAT YOU GET OFTEN SAYS TO THAT LITTLE KID HOW GOOD OR BAD A HUMAN BEING YOU ARE. BECAUSE AFTER ALL, WE BETTER WATCH OUT BECAUSE SANTA KNOWS WHEN THEY'RE GOOD OR BAD.

SO, TO THE SHOP WITH COPS AND THE JOY TO THE CHILDREN, THANK YOU FOR HAVING SOME KIDS WAKE UP TO A NICE CHRISTMAS. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CHRISTMAS PARADE. I HOPE WE SEE YOU ALL OUT THERE.

LAST OF ALL, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE GRANDPA DALE BEING A GRANDPARENT IS A REALLY NEAT THING. SO, CONGRATULATIONS, GRANDPA!

>> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR MILLER: I THINK THE KEY IS YOU ARE A GRANDFATHER NOW INTERACTING WITH THE PUBLIC IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE. AND I INTERACTED WITH COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON TWO OCCASIONS. I SAT ON A PANEL, A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE LEADERSHIP PANEL WITH MR. MULLEN, MR. LIEBER AND EXPRESSED MY OPINIONS. ONE OPINION WAS THAT THE ISLAND NEEDED A COMMON VISION. AND THAT VISION SHOULD BE CREATED NOT ONLY BY THIS

>> COMMISSIONER: BUT ALSO ALONGSIDE THE COUNTY >> COMMISSIONER:. SO THAT WE'RE ALL MOVING IN THE SAME DIRECTION. NOW FORTUNATELY UNDER MULLEN DID NOT WRITE A LETTER

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SAYING DOES COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH SPEAK FOR THE ENTIRE BODY. I ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSIONER LIEBER AT A SOCIAL FUNCTION. AND I THINK I MENTIONED THAT AT A PREVIOUS COMMISSION MEETING ABOUT COMBINING REFERENDUMS. ONCE AGAIN, THANK GOODNESS MR. LIEBER DIDN'T WRITING A LETTER SAYING THAT COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH SPEAK FOR THE CITY COMMISSION? I ALWAYS TRY TO MAKE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR I AM ONE OF FIVE VOTES. ONE OF FIVE. AND I DON'T REPRESENT MY OTHER FOUR FELLOWS. MY OTHER FOUR FELLOWS CAN SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. AND MAKE THEIR OPINIONS KNOWN. NOW, AS TO ADDRESSING ADVISORY BOARDS. IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE IN ATTENDING ADVISORY BOARDS FOR TWO YEARS THAT OFTENTIMES ADVISORY BOARDS LACK INFORMATION. THERE IS NOT GREAT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN CITY STAFF AND INTERNAL CITY WORKINGS AND THE ADVISORY BOARDS, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION LACKING THE BEST INFORMATION.

AND IF I AM A CITY COMMISSIONER SIT SITTING AT AN ADVISORY BOARD MEETING AND THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION AND THEY HAVE BAD INFORMATION, GUESS WHAT? I'M GOING TO STAND UP AS A CITY COMMISSIONER AND SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, HERE'S THE CORRECT AND ACCURATE INFORMATION THAT WILL HELP YOU MAKE THAT DECISION. I FEEL THAT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY.

AND THOSE COMMITTEES WORK FOR THE CITY COMMISSION. NOT THE CITY MANAGER. SO, I WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. ON A MORE JOYOUS NOTE, MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY HANUKKAH, HAPPY KWANZAA.

PEOPLE WILL BE TRAVELING. I'LL BE GOING TO CHICAGO. SAFE TRAVELS. AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT

YEAR. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR. VICE MAYOR KREGER.

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY. HAPPY NEWIER. TOMORROW IN ADDITION TO THE TREE PLANTING THE ELM STREET SPORTSMAN CLUB WILL BE GIVING AWAY HAMS TO PEOPLE AT MLK ON SUNDAY THEY'LL BE GIVING AWAY GIFT CHECK CARDS TO NEEDY KIDS AT MLK. I'M NOT INVITING YOU BUT IF YOU WANTED TO SHOW UP I'LL BE THERE WITH COMMISSIONER LEAPER HOLIDAY. YOU GOT ALL THREE OF THEM. ANYONE WE MISSED HAVE A GOOD ONE TOO. AND TRAVEL SAFE.

IN THE MILITARY WE ALWAYS HAVE A SAFETY STAND DOWN THIS TIME OF YEAR BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS CAN HAPPEN DURING THE HOLIDAYS THAT ARE DANGEROUS. WE JOKE ABOUT HOW WE GET LECTURED EVERY YEAR DON'T SET YOUR CHRISTMAS TREE ON FIRE. BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS BE CAREFUL. IF YOU OVER INDULGE TAKE A CAB OR OTHER SOURCE OF RIDE SHARE. AND I WILL SAY THAT WE HAD A VERY TERRIBLE LOSS IN OUR COMMUNITY AS MOST OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW. IT GOT A LOT OF MEDIA COVERAGE. A SENIOR AT OUR HIGH SCHOOL PASSED AWAY SUDDENLY FROM AN TERRIBLE UNEXPECTED ILLNESS. FOR THOSE YOU MAY HAVE SEEN HER. SHE PLAYS THE PIANO AT THE FARMER'S MARKET AND SINGS WITH HER SISTER. I'VE BEEN TO A COUPLE EVENTS. FRIENDS YELL STUFF OUT AND SHE CAN PLAY IT. SHE WAS JUST A WONDERFUL HUMAN BEING. ANYONE WHO ATTENDED THAT HEARD THAT FROM HER FRIENDS AND FAMILY. SHE WOULD GATHER NEW STUTE DENTS AND BRING THEM TO THE COOL TABLE BECAUSE SHE KNOW WHAT'S IT WAS LIKE TO BE NEW HERE. ONE OF THE GIRLS I DON'T KNOW IF SHE WAS A FAMILY MEMBER OR FRIEND SAYS SHE BELIEVES THE REASON SHE IS NOT HERE BECAUSE SHE WAS TOO BRIGHT FOR ALL OF US AND SHE BURNED OUT BECAUSE SHE WAS SO SPECIAL. WHEN ANOTHER ONE ASKED HOW THIS COULD HAPPEN SHE OCCURRED TO HER WHEN YOU GO TO A FLOWER AND PICK THE BEST ONE THAT KIND OF THING. THE KIDS DID A FANTASTIC JOB OF MEMORIALIZING THEIR FRIEND. HER PARENTS ARE DEVASTATED. WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING. KEEP THEM IN YOUR THOUGHTS OVER THIS HOLIDAY SEASON. IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT. BUT DO HAVE A JOYOUS HOLIDAY YOURSELVES AND LIKE THE COMMISSIONER SAID WE'LL SEE YOU ALL NEXT YEAR. WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED FOR THE YEAR.

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