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>> SORRY FOR THE LATE START. MADAM CLERK, FIRST OF ALL THIS IS THE FERNANDINA BEACH CITY COMMISSION PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD JOINT SPECIAL MEETING, DECEMBER 17TH, 2019, AND IT'S 4:00 P.M. MADAM CLERK, IF YOU COULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> ROLL CALL. >> IF YOU WOULD ALL PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IS STANDS, 1 NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. NATION, UNDER INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.O NATION, UNDE, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.N NATION, UNDE GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.E NATION, GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.I STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND ITEM 4.1.

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PRESENTATION OF THE EAR BY THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF.

KEEP IN MIND, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS MEETING TO 90 MINUTES.

>> WELCOME. GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS KELLY GIBSON.

I AM THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, PLANNING AND CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.

I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF SERVING CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH FOR 13 YEARS.

THIS IS MY SECOND TIME ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE COMMUNITY.

THE FIRST OCCURRING BETWEEN 2009 AND 2011. TONIGHT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE OUT COME OF THE VALUATION AND APPRAISAL REPORT. THE LETTER ASSOCIATED WITH THE EAR ITSELF WENT OUT IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR. SO THIS CONCLUDES SORT OF THE REPORTING ASPECT OF THAT PROCESS. WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND I REALLY AM SO APPRECIATIVE OF THE ABILITY TO HAVE BOTH JOINT MEETING WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AS WELL AS THE CITY COMMISSION. A LOT OF THE ISSUES, A LOT OF THE TOPICS THAT ARE CONTAINED WITHIN THE EAR REPORT ITSELF REALLY REQUIRE A LOT MORE DIRECTION AND TO BE ABLE TO MEET AS A JOINT BODY I THINK IS INCREDIBLY HELPFUL TOWARDS GETTING US INTO THE NEXT PHASE. WHICH WE'LL GO THROUGH AS PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.

SO THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THE EAR REPORT ITSELF HAS SEVERAL COMPONENTS TO IT. THE FIRST AREA IS VERY DATA DRIVEN, AS YOU SEE THROUGH THE REPORT ITSELF. AND CONTAINS A COMMUNITY ASSESSMENT AS A WHOLE.

AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO INTO THE 2020 CENSUS.

SO OUR DATA IS PRINCIPALLY BASED ON 2010 DATA AND THEN ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE CAN PROVIDE TO INFORM THIS DOCUMENT. SIMILAR TO THE PRIOR 2009 EVENT, 2010 CENSUS OCCUR SHORTLY THEREAFTER. WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THE BENEFITS OF THE 2010 DATA TO INFORM THE AMENDMENTS LATER ON. YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'RE A LITTLE LAGGING AT THE REPORT PHASE, BUT ONCE YOU GET INTO THE AMENDMENT PHASE, IT SERVES TO HELP WITH THE DATA AND ANALYSIS COMPONENT THERE. BUT OVERALL, JUST TO KIND OF QUICKLY SUMMARIZE, THE CITY'S GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT OCCURS PRINCIPALLY THROUGH ANNEXATION.

WITHIN THE LAST TEN YEARS, YOU'VE ANNEXED APPROXIMATELY HALF A SQUARE MILE, MOVING FROM 12.02 SQUARE MILES TO 12.52 SQUARE MILES. IT'S SLOW BUT LARGELY THROUGH ANNEXATION THAT YOU ARE GROWING. OTHER AREAS ARE IN FIELD DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE SEEING THROUGH USE OF THE CITY'S ORIGINALLY PLATTED GRID AND THE UNDERLYING PLOTTED LOTS OF RECORD. IN TERMS OF DEMOGRAPHIC, THE CITY, MUCH LIKE THE STATE OF FLORIDA TENDS TO HAVE AN OLDER POPULATION, AT A HIGHER PER CAPITA, HOUSEHOLD LEVEL AND INDIVIDUAL LEVEL. POPULATION HAS REMAINED STEADY, GROWTH OF THE POPULATION APPROXIMATELY ONE PERCENT ANNUALLY.

I DO HAVE INDICATED IN HERE WHAT OUR BUILD-OUT IS EXPECTED TO LOOK AT THROUGH THE PLANNING HORIZON OF 2025, FAIRLY EDUCATED ESTIMATE, WITHIN A REASONABLE LEVEL.

BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA BUREAU OF ECONOMIC AND BUSINESS RESEARCH TO REALLY FORMALIZE THE FINAL BUILD-OUT LEVEL. THIS WILL GIVE US AN INDICATION OF BOTH RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE AS WELL AS THE POPULATION ASSOCIATED WITH

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THOSE UNITS. THROUGH PLANNING HORIZON OF 2045.

BUT RIGHT NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE AT THAT POINT WE SHOULD SEE A GROWTH OF UP TO 14,500 PEOPLE.

MY INITIAL ESTIMATES BASED ON OUR LAND AREA INDICATE THAT YOU HAVE A VACANCY OF ROUGHLY 913 DWELLING UNITS. BUT AGAIN, THAT IS ALL ON WHAT YOUR BOUNDARY LOOKS LIKE TODAY.

WE JUST DISCUSSED THE ANNEXATION OCCURS, WHICH SERVE TO EXPAND THE BOUNDARY OF THE AREA. THE GROWTH HAS BEEN PREDICTED AT APPROXIMATELY ONE PERCENT EACH YEAR AND WE HAVE BEEN VERY MUCH ON PAR WITH THAT GROWTH RATE OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS.

AND THESE ARE INFORMED THROUGH HISTORIC RATES OF GROWTH AS WELL AS WHAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF OUR LAND AREA DISTRIBUTION. THE CITY AS A WHOLE, ITS SHARE OF THE POPULATION ITSELF IS DECLINING. THIS IS PREDICTED AGAIN IN 2009 AND WE'RE VERY MUCH ON TRACK WITH THAT. IN 2009, THE CITY'S POPULATION SHARE WAS JUST OVER 16.5 PERCENT OF THE COUNTY'S POPULATION. BY 2045, WE'RE LOOKING TO DECREASE TO ABOUT 13 PERCENT. AGAIN, BARRING ANY LARGE SCALE MAJOR CHANGES, YOU KNOW, OCCURRING TO THE CITY, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT BIG ANNEXATIONS, ANY OTHER MAJOR CHANGES IN HOW YOU ALLOCATE LAND FOR POPULATION DENSITY. THIS WOULD BE THE PREDICTED PATH THAT YOU COULD EXPECT TO WITNESS THROUGH 2045. MOVING INTO LAND USE DISTRIBUTION, MUCH HAS STAYED THE SAME SINCE 2009. WITH BOTH YOUR CONSERVATION AND RECREATIONAL OPEN SPACE AREAS TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 42 PERCENT OF YOUR OVERALL FUTURE LAND USE MAP DISTRIBUTION. APPROXIMATELY A THIRD OF YOUR LAND USE IS CONTAINED WITHIN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THIS WOULD INCLUDE YOUR LOW, MEDIUM AND HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS. YOUR INDUSTRIAL AREA AROUND 20 PERCENT.

YOUR COMMERCIAL MIX USE COMPONENT, NOW MIXED USE DOES HAVE AN ALLOCATION OF RESIDENTIAL ASSOCIATED WITH IT. BUT IT'S HOVERING AROUND EIGHT PERCENT.

AND PUBLIC AND INSTITUTION AT LESS THAN ONE PERCENT. THE BIGGEST AREA WHERE YOU SAW A DIFFERENCE IS THE INTRODUCTION OF OUR MIXED USE 8TH STREET OVERLAY, WHICH WAS COMPLETED IN 2016, WHICH DID BUMP UP THAT AREA PROVIDING ANOTHER PORTION TO MIX USE.

WHERE PREVIOUSLY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EXCLUSIVELY COMMERCIAL. FOR THIS, I WANT TO INTRODUCE MS. MA RGO MORING, WITH OUR NORTHEAST COMMUNITY COUNCIL. SHE WILL TALK A BIT MORE ABOUT OUR ECONOMIC FACTORS, WHICH WILL HAVE AN IMPACT THROUGH 2045, WITHIN THIS PLANNING HORIZON. BEFORE SHE COMES UP, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'LL INTRODUCE QUICKLY IS THAT A LOT OF DISCUSSION OCCURS SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL GROWTH AND THE DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH RESIDENTIAL GROWTH AND THE GROWING PAINS ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. ONE OF THE AREAS THAT IS AN EXTERNAL FACTOR THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT LONG TERM IS THE POPULATION GROWTH, WHICH IS ANTICIPATED FOR NASSAU COUNTY AND THE IMPACTS THAT THAT MAY HAVE ON OUR CAPACITIES LOCALLY. IT MAY NOT BE DRIVEN EXCLUSIVELY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL IN-FIELD DEVELOPMENT OR EVEN ANNEXATION AREAS THAT WE EXPECT TO EXPERIENCE HERE. BUT HOW WILL THAT GROWTH EFFECT US ON OUR DIFFERENT SYSTEMS, ROADWAYS, LOOKING AT RECREATION OPEN SPACE AREAS AND USE OF OUR DIFFERENT FACILITIES ON A ROUTINE BASIS. MS. MARGO MOORING CAN INTRODUCE

THE EXTERNAL FACTORS AS WELL AS INTERNAL FACTORS. >> THANK YOU, KELLY.

I'M MARGO MOORING WITH NORTHEAST FLORIDA COUNCIL. WE DID A BROAD OVERVIEW ABOUT EXTERNAL ECONOMIC FACTORS. OBVIOUSLY PROXIMITY TO JACKSONVILLE AND THE DOWNTOWN OF JACKSONVILLE AND ALSO TO THE AIRPORT IN JACKSONVILLE IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS SORT OF HARD TO IGNORE. WE INCLUDED, I COULD DIRECT YOU TO THE DOCUMENT FOR MORE DETAIL. BUT JUST SOME OVERVIEW. THE FASTEST GROWING INDUSTRIES ARE PREDICTED IN THE COUNTY AND SURROUNDING AREA ARE BEFORE YOU, AMBULATORY HEALTH SERVICES, EDUCATIONAL SERVICES, PROFESSIONAL SCIENCE AND TECHNICAL SERVICES AND FOOD SERVICES AND DRINKING PLACES. AS KELLY SAID, NASSAU COUNTY'S ANTICIPATED GROWTH.

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INTERNALLY, CERTAINLY YOU'RE AWARE THAT YOU HAVE, I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD THING.

YOU HAVE A DIVERSE ECONOMY. SO YOU HAVE TOURISM, INDUSTRY, CHARTER FISHING, SHRIMPING, THAT IS GOOD TO NOT BE BASED IN ONE AREA. HAVING THE PORT OF FERNANDINA IS AN ECONOMIC DRIVER. HAVING YOUR OWN AIRPORT IS CERTAINLY ANOTHER ECONOMIC DRIVER. AND THEN HAVING THE MAIN STREET DESIGNATION IS IMPORTANT.

BECAUSE IT LOOKS AT HOW YOU REUSE BUILDINGS AND IT HELPS WITH CIVIC PRIDE AND WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND YOU HAVE BEEN FOCUSING ON THE A STREET CORRIDOR AND IT ALSO HELPS WITH THAT. SO THOSE ARE ALL IMPORTANT THINGS.

NOW, PART OF MY -- OUR ROLE AT THE REGIONAL COUNCIL WAS TO LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT YOU HAD TO UPDATE IN YOUR PLAN. BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME LEGISLATIVE AND REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS. AND ALSO THE LOCAL MAJOR ISSUES. THE WAY WE DID THAT WAS THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS.

AND SO I'M LOOKING AROUND THE ROOM AND LOTS OF PEOPLE LOOK FAMILIAR.

SO I'M THINKING YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER FONDLY THOSE MEETINGS. I HOPE THAT YOU DO.

BUT I'M GOING TO START WITH THE LOCAL MAJOR ISSUES JUST TO KIND OF SET THE SCENE AND THEN I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU THROUGH A LITTLE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT CAME OUT OF THE PUBLIC PROCESS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THE ISSUE AREAS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF REVISIT THEM AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL SEE HOW WE GOT TO THEM.

MANAGING GROWTH WAS ONE. AND THESE WERE KIND OF ARTFULLY WORDED.

SO I'M GOING TO, I'LL JUST READ IT TO YOU. MAN-MADE AND NATURAL SYSTEMS ARE STRESSED AND CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE NOT FURTHER STRESSED.

THAT WAS AN OVERARCHING ISSUE THAT CAME OUT. IMPLEMENTATION MECHANISMS TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN NEEDS TO BE MODERNIZED AND ENFORCEMENT OF RULES ARE NEEDED.

THAT WAS THE SECOND ONE. IN GENERAL, INTER-GOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION.

ESPECIALLY ON AMELIA ISLAND. POLICIES NEED TO BE IN PLACE ON THE PARAMETERS OF COLLABORATION. AND THE COUNTY WAS OFTEN AT THE MEETINGS AND SEEMED WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. SO THEY NEED TO INCLUDE THE COUNTY, SCHOOL DISTRICT, MILITARY, STATE AND REGIONAL AGENCIES. SO THAT IS WHAT CAME OUT OF THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, AT LEAST FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AS FAR AS LOCAL MAJOR ISSUES.

YOU GUYS WILL PROBABLY REMEMBER FONDLY THE FLYER. AND IT WAS AN INTENSE COUPLE OF WEEKS. BECAUSE WE HAD FOUR MEETINGS. EACH ON A WHOLE SERIES OF ISSUE AREAS. WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS AND WE TOOK PUBLIC INPUT. AND I DID SOME NOTES JUST IN CASE YOU WEREN'T THERE, AS TO KIND OF HOW THIS WORKED. THESE WERE FACILITATED DISCUSSIONS.

SO MY STAFF AND I CAME OUT AND YOU KNOW, YOU'LL RECALL WE HAD SEPARATE TABLES, WANTING TO HAVE KIND OF ONE ON ONE DISCUSSIONS. BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO MISS ANYTHING. SO WE WROTE DOWN EVERY IDEA THAT FOLKS WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAS INCLUDED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THERE IS A WEB PAGE AT NEFRC.ORG THAT HAS BEEN UP FOR ABOUT A YEAR. AND WELL, SINCE I GUESS APRIL.

AND WILL BE UP THROUGH YOUR WORK ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT HAS EVERYTHING THAT SOMEONE HANDED IN AT A MEETING. BECAUSE IF THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW IT MIGHT BE DONE GOING FORWARD. EVERYTHING THAT SOMEONE TOLD US.

AND THEN A FEW DETAILS ABOUT THINGS LIKE CONSENSUS. BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID IS PEOPLE WOULD GIVE US IDEAS AND SAY THIS MUST BE COVERED.

AND WE WOULD TRY TO ASK, DOES EVERYBODY AGREE? AND SOMETIMES -- OFTEN, NO. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCEPTS THAT SOME PEOPLE HAD THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY GET MARKED WITH CONSENSUS. BUT IN SOME CASES EVERYBODY'S HAND WENT UP.

SO IT'S NOT SCIENTIFIC, BUT WE DID NOTE THAT THOSE CONCEPTS ARE CONSENSUS CONCEPTS.

AND YOU'LL SEE THEM IN MY SLIDES. I DON'T THINK I SAID THIS.

THE MEETING IS REALLY WELL ATTENDED. CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT.

NOT EVERY COMMUNITY CAN SAY THAT. I MEAN, I OF COURSE THINK COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ARE FASCINATING, BUT NOT EVERYONE DOES.

LOTS OF PEOPLE CAME TO EACH OF THOSE FOUR MEETINGS IN APRIL. SO WELL DONE WITH THAT.

AND THE OTHER THING IS THE WAY WE TALKED ABOUT CONCEPTS WAS WHAT MUST BE ADDRESSED IN THE PLAN, SO WE DID NOT GO LINE BY LINE THROUGH THE PLAN TO SAY IS IT ADDRESSED NOW?

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YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE. IT IS ACTUALLY AN EXCELLENT PLAN THAT COVERS FRANKLY A LOT MORE ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAN OTHER PLANS.

SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THESE THINGS ARE MISSING FROM THE PLAN. WE'RE JUST SAYING MAKE SURE THAT AS THE PLAN GETS UPDATED THAT THEY'RE ADEQUATELY HANDLED. THAT IS KIND OF MY PARAMETERS ON THE PUBLIC MEETINGS. AND THEN JUST REALLY BRIEFLY, I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU THROUGH EACH ELEMENT AND THE OVERALL THEMES ARE KIND OF YOU KNOW, MY TAKE-AWAY FROM PARTICIPATING.

SO THE OVERALL THEME ON THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT IS SORT OF UNDERLYING EVERYTHING, WHERE DIFFERENT USES CAN GO. THE POLICY CONTEXT THAT ENCOURAGES DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED BY A POLICY OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT. PHILOSOPHICAL NUANCE THERE.

AND THEN SOME OF THE CONCEPTS, AND I HAVE TO SEND YOU TO THE WEBSITE BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT MORE, TO CONSIDER INCENTIVIZING ADAPTIVE REUSE OVER NEW DEVELOPMENT.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO INCENTIVES, MAYBE THAT IS WHERE THEY BELONG.

REQUIRE RESILIENCY TO WIND AND FLOOD TO DEVELOPMENT AND RETROFIT.

AND THEN ENFORCE. ENFORCEMENT KEPT COMING UP. THERE NEEDED TO BE A NEW POLICY REGARDING SEASONAL POPULATION. THAT IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS I'LL GO OVER IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. WE BROUGHT THAT UP AT THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT DISCUSSION. BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE BALANCED BY THE QUALITY OF LIFE POLICIES FOR EXISTING RESIDENTS. SEASONAL POPULATION IS IMPORTANT.

EXISTING RESIDENCY IS IMPORTANT AS WELL. FORGIVE FOR THIS NEXT ONE, BECAUSE I ASSUMED THAT YOU GUYS CALL IT CSB, IT'S PLANNER SPEAK FOR CONSERVATION AND RECREATION SPACE. CHANGES TO THOSE CATEGORIES SHOULD BE MADE BY REFERENDUM WAS AN IDEA THAT CAME UP. BEFORE DEVELOPMENT, THERE NEED TO BE CLEAR REQUIREMENTS FOR GOOD DATA REGARDING IMPACTS AND CLEAR POLICIES ON WHEN DEVELOPMENT IS APPROPRIATE AND THEN RIGOROUS ENFORCEMENT. THOSE ARE KIND OF SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT. MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION. THE THEME WAS CONGESTION ISSUES ON ALL MAJOR ROADS. THERE WAS CONSENSUS ON SOME ITEMS. ESTABLISHING A MOBILITY FEE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT WITH IMPACTS TO TRAFFIC.

EVERY TIME THERE IS GOING TO BE AN IMPACT, THERE SHOULD BE A FEE.

RETHINK HOW CONCURRENCY IS ENFORCED. EVERYBODY AGREED, ALL THE HANDS WENT UP WHEN THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT A ROUND-ABOUT AT ATLANTIC AND SOUTH FLETCHER.

SOME OTHER CONCEPTS. THERE WAS A ROBUST DISCUSSION, WE BROUGHT IN A TRANSPORTATION PLANNER TO KIND OF FACILITATE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT CONSIDERING OPTIONS TO CHARGE FOR USAGE OF ROADS. TOLLS, CONGESTION PRICING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT WASN'T RESOLVED, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT UP AS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.

AND THEN USE THOSE FUNDS, USE FUNDS TO GATHER THEM IN PART FOR A CITY-WIDE NETWORK FOR BIKE TRAILS AND EDUCATION ON BIKE SAFETY. NOT COMPREHENSIVE, BUT SOME OF THE OVERALL IDEAS. ON HOUSING, REVIEW AND MODERNIZE CONCURRENCY FOR HOUSING. REFLECTING CAPACITIES. RECURRING THEME.

THERE WAS SOME CONSENSUS ON CONSIDERING ELIMINATIONS ON INCENTIVES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT LESSENED DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS. TWO CONCEPTS.

RESILIENCY AND AFFORDABILITY SHOULD BE REQUIRED IN HOUSING CONSTRUCTION.

IF THERE IS GOING TO BE MORE HOUSES, THERE SHOULD BE MORE TREES. AND CONSERVATION LAND SHOULD BE PROTECTED. AND THEN CONSISTENT AND RIGOROUS ENFORCEMENT OF CITY CODES. IT COMES UP AGAIN. AND THEN SOME CONCEPTS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO INCENTIVIZE HOUSING, PERHAPS IT SHOULD BE REUSED HOUSING OR IN-FILL HOUSING. AND THEN THE IDEA ABOUT PARTNERING WITH THE COUNTY AND NASSAU TRANSIT ON ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE IDEA CAME UP THAT IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE FOR AFFORDABLE UNITS TO BE IN THE COUNTY AS LONG AS THEY'RE ACCESSIBLE SO THAT FOLKS WHO LIVE THERE CAN GET TO FERNANDINA, BECAUSE THEY MAY WORK HERE.

SO IT ONLY WORKS IF THERE IS THAT KIND OF PARTNERSHIP. SO I WANTEDED TO ENSURE I INCLUDED THAT ONE. PUBLIC FACILITIES. SO THE OVERALL THEME WAS THE NEED TO COLLABORATE WITH THE COUNTY ON ALL ASPECTS OF CAPACITY OF SYSTEMS ON AMELIA ISLAND. ONE OF THE LEGISLATIVE REQUIREMENTS OR I GUESS IN THIS

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CASE, A REGULATORY REQUIREMENT IS THAT YOU NEED TO ADD TO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN A WATER SUPPLY FACILITY WORK PLAN. AND THE POINT WAS MADE THAT IT SHOULD INCLUDE HIGH VOLUME USERS. I'M NOT SURE THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS WOULD TELL YOU THAT YOU HAD TO EMPHASIZE THAT, BUT THAT WAS EXPRESSED. THERE WAS A NEED FOR BETTER DATA ON THE CAPACITY OF THE AQUAFIR. POTENTIAL FOR RISE IN SALINITY DUE TO SEA LEVEL RISE. AND THE AMOUNT OF WITHDRAWAL BASED ON PERMITTING.

BEEFING UP THE DATA THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH WATER AND CONCURRENCY.

AND THEN GENERALLY THE NEED TO ELIMINATE SEPTIC TANKS AND ASSIST HOMEOWNERS WITH PAYING FOR IT. CONSERVATION AND COASTAL MANAGEMENT, RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE, WE TOOK THEM TOGETHER AND DIDN'T SEPARATE OUT THE CONCEPTS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS IS THE MOST EXTENSIVE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD AND THE WEB PAGE HAS ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. BUT THERE IS WAY MORE CONCEPTS THAN WHAT I INCLUDED HERE.

SO THE THEME WAS THAT THERE IS MUCH CONSENSUS ON THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE POLICIES.

VERY LIVELY DISCUSSION. VERY ANIMATED DISCUSSION. DISCUSSION ABOUT RESTRICTING ACCESS TO DUNES, EXTENDING THEM AND MAINTAINING THEM. DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING A BEACH PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN. THERE SHOULD BE ENHANCED ACCESS TO EMERGENCY PLANS.

THAT THERE SHOULD BE BETTER ENFORCEMENT OF TREE AND TURTLE PROTECTION.

THAT WILDLIFE CORRIDORS SHOULD BE MAINTAINED AND SENSITIVE LANDS ACQUIRED.

BIKE TRAILS SHOULD BE EXPANDED. PLAN TO ADDRESS INVASIVE SPECIES IN PUBLIC LANDS AND WATER CONSERVATION. NO MEANS A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF THE CONCEPTS THAT CAME UP.

INTER-GOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION, OVERALL THEME WAS TO MODERNIZE THE ELEMENT TO REFLECT CURRENT AND DESIRED COLLABORATION ON ISSUES BEYOND THE CONTROL OF JUST THE CITY.

THERE WAS A CONSENSUS ON THE NEED FOR CITY/COUNTY COLLABORATION IN A BUNCH OF AREAS. LAND CONSERVATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.

BEACH AND DUNE PROTECTION. LAND USE, STORMWATER AND INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING.

TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND MITIGATION. EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND ADAPTATION. BIKE TRAILS, BEACH ACCESS AND PARKS.

AND ANNEXATION. THE COUNTY WAS THERE AND SEEMED WILLING TO DISCUSS IT.

ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, THE OVERALL THEME, THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN IN ANY OTHER MEETING, THERE WAS CONSENSUS ON FOUR BIG ISSUES. IT MIGHT BE THAT MAYBE PEOPLE WEREN'T THAT JAZZED BY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. IN FACT THERE WAS CONSENSUS ON THESE FOUR BIG THINGS. THE NEED FOR A 20-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, RECOGNIZING THAT IT'S A PLAN AND NOT A BUDGET. YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHERE YOU WANT TO GET TO EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY YET. MORE EMPHASIS ON MAINTENANCE AND OPERATING FUNDING. CONSIDER CAPITAL PROJECTS WITH LONGEVITY, LIFECYCLE AND MAINTENANCE COSTS IN MIND. BEING COMPREHENSIVE. AND THE NEED FOR INFORMATION SHARING IN COORDINATION WITH THE MILITARY IS CRITICAL. THE AIRPORT IS BROUGHT UP AS AN EXAMPLE WHERE THAT IS WORKING, I BELIEVE. PORT FACILITIES.

THE OVERALL THEME WAS THE PORT SHOULD NOT INCREASE ITS CURRENT FOOTPRINT AND USE ITS ASSETS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PORT AND THE CITY. AND THERE WERE CONCEPTS RATHER THAN CONSENSUS. SO THE PORT SUB-ELEMENT MASTER PLAN FROM AN ORDINANCE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY CONVERSATION AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE FLORIDA STATUTE. VEHICLES GOING TO THE PORT GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORING HISTORIC AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WITH NEGATIVE IMPACTS. CONSIDER SOLUTIONS IDENTIFIED AT THE MEETING.

QUITE A FEW. PLAN FOR SEA LEVEL RISE BETWEEN THE PORT AND THE MILL.

VESSELS SHOULD USE PORTSIDE POWER, SO AS TO NOT USE THEIR ENGINES, ISSUE FOR BOTH POLLUTION AND CERTAINLY SOUND. CONSIDER A PORT COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD.

PUBLIC SCHOOL FACILITIES. THEME WAS SCHOOLS REQUIRE INTER-GOVERNMENTAL BETWEEN THE CITY AND COUNTY. THE LAND SHOULD BE REPURPOSED IN SUPPORT OF COMMUNITY GOALS.

THERE WERE CONCEPTS THAT CAME UP, CONCURRENCY EVALUATION SHOULD BE MORE RIGOROUS, DEVELOPMENT SHOULD PAY FOR MITIGATION WHEREVER, DEVELOPERS SHOULD PAY FOR MITIGATION WHEREVER THEIR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL IMPACT SCHOOLS.

HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THE OVERALL THEME WAS THIS IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FOR FERNANDINA BEACH. SOME OF THE CONCEPTS WERE THE CHARACTER OF NEW CONSTRUCTION

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IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FALLS SHORT OF DESIRED VISION. HISTORIC SCHOOLS SHOULD BE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. IMPORTANCE OF STRUCTURES, IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE SHOULD BE EXAMINED. CREATE A LARGER HISTORIC DISTRICT BY THE RIVER, A STREET. NEED FOR POLICY RULES AND ENFORCEMENT TO PRESERVE ARCHEOLOGICAL ARTIFACTS. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THE ENVIRONMENT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED WHENEVER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS CONSIDERED. AND THERE WAS CONSENSUS ON RENAMING THE ELEMENT TO MAKE THAT POINT RESILIENT AND SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. A COUPLE OF THE CONCEPTS WERE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY, SENSE OF PLACE, TOURISM, SEASONAL POPULATION AND A VISION FOR THE CITY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN CONSIDERING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. LARGE EMPLOYERS HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON RESIDENTIALS. COLLABORATE ON ENVIRONMENTAL AND VISUAL IMPACT AND ON COMMUNITY CHARACTER. SO IT'S THE ISSUE OF COLLABORATION. THAT BRINGS ME BACK TO THE LOCAL MAJOR ISSUES.

SO HOPEFULLY IF YOU ATTENDED THOSE MEETINGS AND REMEMBER THEM FONDLY, WHICH I KEEP SAYING, THIS IS KIND OF HOW WE GOT TO THEM. SO THOSE ARE IMPORTANT.

AND THAT IS WHAT WE CAME AWAY WITH AS RECURRING THEMES FROM ALL FOUR OF THE MEETINGS.

SO THERE IS ALSO THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU, AS YOU EXAMINE YOUR COMP PLAN, YOU LOOK AT WHAT LEGISLATIVE AND REGULATORY CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE THE LAST TIME YOU DID YOUR COMP PLAN. AND THEN IN THIS CASE THERE ARE THREE.

THE FIRST IS, I MEAN, YOU CAN READ IT. BUT WE CALLED IT SEASONAL POPULATION. IT'S TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING A CHANGE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT SEASONAL POPULATION.

NOW, IN SOME COMMUNITIES SEASONAL POPULATION IS NOT PARTICULARLY AN ISSUE.

IN SOME COMMUNITIES, IT IS. AND THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WAS IT PROBABLY IS AN ISSUE HERE. PEOPLE HAVE SECOND HOMES. SO IT'S WORTH TAKING A LOOK AT.

THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THE MEETING THAT WAS BASED ON WHAT JACKSONVILLE USED THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO THE STATE. SO IT'S A PLACE TO GET STARTED.

SO YOU'LL SEE IN THE EAR THAT THERE IS AT LEAST A POTENTIAL WAY TO ADDRESS Tâ– HIS.

AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO, AS YOU -- AS FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGES GO THROUGH, KIND OF WORK OUT WHAT THE METHODOLOGY IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE IS AN IMPACT.

BUT THAT IS A REQUIRED CHANGE. THE NEXT REQUIRED CHANGE IS WHAT WE PLANNERS CALL PERIL OF FLOOD. YOU HAVE TO IN YOUR CONSERVATION AND COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT MAKE IF YOU WILL MORE ROBUST THE POLICIES THAT DEAL WITH FLOODING AND SEA LEVEL RISE. SO YOU GUYS ALREADY ADDRESS IT, BUT YOU NEED TO ADDRESS IT IN A WAY THAT MEETS THIS STATUTE. IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, THE EXAMPLE OF BOYNTON BEACH, WHO IS THE ONE THAT THE STATE HAD SUGGESTED TO US WAS A GOOD WAY TO ADDRESS IT, AS WELL AS THE COUNTY'S APPROACH. CERTAINLY YOU WANT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING ON SOMETHING LIKE FLOODING. SO THERE'S GOOD EXAMPLES OUT THERE OF HOW TO ADDRESS THE FLOOD STATUTE. AND THEN FINALLY, NASSAU COUNTY, AS ARE ALL SEVEN COUNTIES IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA, WE ARE ALL PART OF A WATER RESOURCE CAUTION AREA. BECAUSE WE ARE, WE MUST HAVE A WATER SUPPLY FACILITY WORK PLAN IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WHAT THAT DOES IS IT SIMPLY REFLECTS KIND OF HOW IT WORKS NOW. BUT IT RAISES THE SIGNIFICANCE OR THE ATTENTION BEING PAID TO WATER, BECAUSE IT'S PUTTING IT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I WOULD SORT OF SAY MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WATER WORKS, BUT THIS RAISES ITS PROFILE.

KIND OF FORCES COMMUNITIES TO THINK MORE SERIOUSLY ABOUT IT. SO I'LL KIND OF LEAVE YOU WITH, THIS IS -- THESE THREE THINGS ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU MUST ADDRESS.

AND I'LL KIND OF LEAVE IT AT THE DEADLINE OF SEPTEMBER 2020. SO THAT IS THE MINIMUM THAT YOU MUST DO. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE PLANNING TIME FRAME.

TIMELINE, EXCUSE ME. TIME FRAME, I GUESS. AND YOU NEED TO DO THOSE REGULATORY AND LEGISLATIVE CHANGES. THAT IS THE MINIMUM THAT YOU NEED TO DO. AND THEN I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE TALKING WITH KELLY ABOUT

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HOW TO DO IT AND WHAT TO DO NEXT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >> SO IN TERMS OF STEPS, OF COURSE, WE DO HAVE THE FIRST STEP, WHICH WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH ANY COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS AND THOSE LEGISLATIVE REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN ANY OTHER COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT THE CITY IS READY TO TAKE ON AS IT RELATES TO THE THEMES, CONCEPTS OR ISSUES IDENTIFIED, PERHAPS WHERE OUR CURRENT PLAN IS FALLING SHORT IN SOME MANNER. THE SECOND STEP, AND I THINK WHERE WE'LL HAVE THE MOST CONVERSATION POTENTIALLY GENERATED HERE THIS EVENING, IS ASSOCIATED WITH IMPLEMENTATION. ONE OF THE OTHER RECURRING THINGS WAS ENFORCEMENT, IMPLEMENTATION. WE'VE GOT THIS POLICY DIRECTION IN PLACE THROUGH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT THIS POINT IN TIME. BUT IT'S THE TRANSLATION THROUGH OUR LOCAL DEVELOPMENT CODES AND REGULATIONS AND AGAIN, THE ENFORCEMENT ARM OF THOSE THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE BETTER ADDRESSED AND ANALYZED, SO THAT IT CAN GIVE CLEAR DIRECTION ON HOW WE WANT TO SEE THE COMMUNITY'S BUILT ENVIRONMENT OVERALL.

THE STATE DOES SET A MANDATORY STATUTE IN PLACE FOR A ONE-YEAR DEADLINE TO AMEND YOUR LOCAL DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, IN KEEPING WITH COMP PLAN BASE DIRECTION.

SO WE DO HAVE THAT IN PLACE. THIS WOULD OCCUR WHETHER IT WAS BASED ON THE COMP PLAN, THROUGH THE EAR PROCESS OR THROUGH A LARGE SCALE REVISION TO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OR EVEN JUST AMENDMENTS TO THE PLAN, WHICH CAN OCCUR AT ANY TIME. AND AS FREQUENTLY AS WE NEED TO. BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WITHIN A YEAR THE CORRESPONDING LOCAL DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ARE RE-DRAWN TO MATCH THAT DIRECTION.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO REALLY KEEP IN MIND. SO WHERE WE NEED TO SPEND SOME TIME TALKING AND THE REAL VALUE OF YOU BEING TOGETHER AS BOTH BODIES THIS EVENING, IS TO DISCUSS TWO PRIMARIES. THE FIRST BEING WHERE DO WE WANT TO FOCUS OUR TIME ON THE FIRST STEP, THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS AND THE SECOND IS THE TIMING OF THOSE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND THEIR UPDATES. I PUT IN HERE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE HAVE BEEN SORT OF PICKING AWAY AT OUR LOCAL DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, IN A PIECEMEAL FASHION.

DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. WHAT I'M BEGINNING TO WITNESS AND HAVE FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW, IS THAT AN OVERALL DOCUMENT, WE'RE STARTING TO RISK THE INTEGRITY OF THE DOCUMENT THROUGH THIS PIECEMEAL APPROACH.

IF THERE IS A LARGER VISION AND DIRECTION FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS TO BE TRANSLATED INTO THOSE REGULATIONS WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT IN A HOLISTIC WAY INSTEAD OF JUST KNIT PICKING LITTLE BY LITTLE ATTEMPTING TO GET TO A CERTAIN PLACE.

IF WE THINK ABOUT AN OVERHAUL TO THAT DOCUMENT, IS THERE ANY LAST ROUND OF REVISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE FIRST OR ARE WE READY TO GO INTO AN OVERALL REVIEW AND COMPLETELY CHANGE THOSE REGULATIONS AS WE CURRENTLY SEE THEM. I WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT ALL WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF FUNDING AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IT WILL REQUIRE IN ORDER TO TAKE ON EFFORTS LIKE THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, INTEGRATION WITH YOUR LOCAL DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. AND ALSO OUR EXISTING STAFFING CONSTRAINTS.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME, STAFF IS VERY TAXED. WE DO NOT HAVE TIME TO TAKE ON THIS LARGER REVISION WITHOUT ELIMINATING SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON. SO I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT PIECE OF IT.

IF THE DIRECTION IS SUCH THAT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT STRONGER IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY, FUNDING WILL BE NECESSARY. AND THEN A SECOND ITEM ON OUR AGENDA WHICH TIES IN REALLY WELL WITH THIS OVERALL DISCUSSION IS THE MEMO THAT I DRAFTED TO THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY MANAGER FROM EARLY IN OCTOBER, WHICH SPOKE TO DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU MIGHT SERVE TO ADDRESS GROWTH. MUCH OF THE TENOR WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING OVER THE LAST TEN MONTHS OR SO IS TOWARDS THE END OF MANAGING GROWTH IN A MORE HOLISTIC WAY. THAT MEMO WAS AN EFFORT TO GIVE YOU OPTIONS AND STRATEGIES FOR CONSIDERATION. I HOPE THAT WE CAN SPEND SOME TIME DISCUSSING THE STRATEGIES, BUT AGAIN, WITHIN THIS CONTEXT OF WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE DOLLARS ASSOCIATED WITH MAKING MEANINGFUL CHANGES AND THE STAFFING CONSTRAINTS ASSOCIATED

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WITH IT TOO. I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I HAVE TWO COMMENTS. I'LL START WITH THE POPULATION

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COMMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, THE POPULATION STUDY THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS STILL HASN'T BEEN DONE. IT'S NOT UNTIL SOMETIME IN JANUARY?

>> WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THE FINAL ANALYSIS PROVIDED IN DECEMBER, WE'VE PROVIDED AN INITIAL ROUND OF FEEDBACK, WHICH BETTER REFINED THE PARAMETERS FOR DEVELOPMENT, WHERE AS STAFF, WE CAN LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY AND KNOW THAT THERE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS OR LIMITATIONS ON THAT THAT WOULD REDUCE POPULATION GROWTH IN THE FUTURE. THAT ROUND HAS ALREADY OCCURRED.

SO THOSE ARE WORKING ON AN UPDATE TO THE MODEL AND THEN A FINAL ANALYSIS WILL BE PROVIDED

HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THIS MONTH. >> GREAT.

I THINK THERE IS A BIGGER ISSUE HERE, IT'S REALLY PROBABLY SIX POPULATIONS.

THE FIRST POPULATION IS THE FULL-TERM RESIDENTS. ONLY 60 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE. IF YOU USE THE MARKER HOMESTEADING.

40 PERCENT OF PEOPLE ARE PART-TIME RESIDENTS. THAT IS THE POPULATION THAT IS GENERALLY LOOKED AT. I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE POPULATIONS THAT PROBABLY IMPACTS THE AREA. SECOND POPULATION IS THE TRANSIENT POPULATION, WHICH YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH I THINK YOU CALLED SEASONAL IMPACT, BASICALLY THE HOTELS AND AIR BNBS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. A COUPLE OF NEW HOTELS COMING ONLINE, THAT POPULATION IS INCREASING. I THINK HOW MUCH MORE THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOW WE DO THINGS.

THE THIRD POPULATION IS THE REMAINDER OF THE ISLAND. THE REMAINDER OF THE ISLAND, HOW THAT IS GOING TO GROW. BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE IMPACT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE THEY USE OUR FACILITIES, RECREATION, USE THE BEACHES, AND HOW THAT PART OF THE ISLAND IS GOING TO GROW.

THE FOURTH, MS. GIBSON ALLUDED TO THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR THAT IS IMPACTED, TRANSPORTATION AND USE, IS WHAT I CALL OTB, OVER THE BRIDGE.

PEOPLE COMING OVER FOR WHAT IS HAPPENING IN NASSAU COUNTY AND HOW THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT WHAT HAPPENS ON THE ISLAND DURING THE DAY BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE COME ACROSS THE BRIDGE TO USE OUR BEACHES, USE OUR RECREATION FACILITIES, TO COME HERE, TO OUR RESTAURANTS AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW THAT POPULATION IS GOING TO GROW AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE PEOPLE COMING OVER. AND THE FINAL ONE IS THE WORKFORCE THAT COMES HERE EVERY DAY TO WORK. IT IMPACTS THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRANSPORTATION AND HOW THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME HERE. I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POPULATION TO LOOK AT. I THINK THOSE SIX POPULATIONS NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.

MY OTHER CONCERN IS, YOU ASKED HOW TO ADDRESS THIS. AND WHEN YOU SAID THERE WAS A LEGISLATIVE AND REGULATORY CHANGES. SO I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE LEGISLATION. AND 163.3191, WHICH IS VALUATION AND APPRAISAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, 1, AT LEAST EVERY SEVEN YEARS, EACH LOCAL GOVERNMENT SHALL EVALUATE ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO DETERMINE IF THE PLAN AMENDMENTS ARE NECESSARY TO REFLECT CHANGES IN STATE REQUIREMENTS IN THIS PART SINCE THE LAST UPDATE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND NOTIFY THE STATE LAND PLANNING. IN OTHER WORDS, THE THREE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, SEASONAL IMPACT, WATER SUPPLY. SO THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE ONLY REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO FULFILL WITHIN THE EAR EVALUATION APPRAISAL.

ADDITIONALLY, NUMBER 3 OF THE SAME STATUTE, SAYS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE URGED TO COMPREHENSIVE EVALUATE AND WHEN NECESSARY UPDATE THE PLANS TO REFLECT LOCAL CONDITIONS.

WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY THE MORE IMPORTANT PART OF THIS. IT CAN BE BIFURCATED AS A SEPARATE PROCESS. WHAT I WAS HOPING OR THINKING IS THAT WE BIFURCATE THESE INTO TWO SECTIONS. FIRST DEAL WITH THOSE THREE ISSUES, I DON'T KNOW, 120 DAYS, 6 MONTHS, LESS THAN THAT. DEAL WITH THAT. AND THEN COME INTO THE BIGGER PROBLEM, WHICH IS REVISING OUR WHOLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS GOING TO TAKE AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT, OUTSIDE HELP AND A BUDGET, THE NUMBERS IS 2 TO $300,000, THAT IS NOT BUDGETED.

WHAT WE NEED TO STATUTORILY IS TAKE CARE OF THOSE THREE ISSUES, DO THAT FIRST AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE BIGGER, I BELIEVE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE, OF ALL OF THE CHANGES AND HOW

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IT'S IMPACTED US. I HAVE LOTS OF OTHER THOUGHTS. BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO.

>> PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN 2009, WHICH WE DID IN-HOUSE WITHOUT A CONSULTANT, I AM CONVINCED, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE LEGISLATIVE REQUIREMENTS, WE COULD KNOCK THOSE OUT IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, ACTUALLY.

>> I WANT TO RECORD THERE WAS A LOOK OF TOTAL DISBELIEF. I JUST WANT TO RECORD THAT.

>> TOTAL DISBELIEF. >> YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I'VE SAID THIS I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES IN PUBLIC MEETINGS, AS WE HAVE AN AWARD WINNING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TWO OR THREE TIMES. BUT OUR IMPLEMENTATION HAS BEEN ATROCIOUS OVER THE YEARS. WE HAVE POLICIES AND GOALS WHICH WE WILL NEVER MEET.

I BELIEVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOULD BE A REALISTIC PLAN THAT WE CAN MEET, PAB SHOULD BE REVIEWING THAT IMPLEMENTATION ON A PERIODIC BASIS, WHICH HASN'T HAPPENED NEITHER.

THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO, REWRITE IT. WE CAN DO THE EASY STUFF FIRST AND THEN WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE COMPLEX ISSUES, YOU KNOW, SEEMS WE DO SOMETHING AND THERE IS GOING TO BE CONFLICTS IN THERE. THEY STARTED WAY BACK. I THINK WE NEED A RE-WRITE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IS ACHIEVABLE AND REALISTIC. AND MEETS THOSE GOALS.

I THINK MOST OF US WERE AT ALL OF THE EAR MEETINGS. I GOT TO TELL YOU, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WERE WELL ATTENDED. I DON'T THINK 30 OR 40 PEOPLE IN A POPULATION OF 12,000 PEOPLE IS GOOD. BUT I GUESS BY STANDARDS IN THE

STATE, MARGO SAYS SO. >> PRETTY GOOD IN MY EXPERIENCE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE. I WOULD LIKE TO FILL UP. THAT IS WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR KELLY. AT THE LAST PAB MEETING, YOU TALKED ABOUT HAVING A CONSULTANT FOR THE COMP PLAN. AND I THINK THE FIGURE WAS, I THINK BALLPARK, 175,000.

>> I THINK OUT OF THE TWO CLOSER TO $300,000 PRICE POINT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT 175 IS A

REALISTIC FIGURE FOR YOUR LOCAL DEVELOPMENT REGULATION. >> AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THE

SECOND COST. >> THE SECOND WOULD BE DO YOU WANT TO FOCUS JUST ON THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT WOULD BE FAR MORE DEFINED AND SMALLER COST.

BUT IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT AN OVERHAUL TO YOUR COMP PLAN, YOU CAN BASICALLY DOUBLE THAT 175

FIGURE. >> OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION, SO THIS CONSULTANT CAME HERE MONDAY, WHAT WOULD THE TOP THREE OBJECTIVES BE

WITH THE CONSULTANT? >> THE FIRST WOULD BE TO ANALYZE THE COMP PLAN WITH RESPECT TO THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED AT THE EAR MEETINGS, TO DETERMINE WHERE WE

NEED TO FOCUS. >> HOW LONG WOULD YOU THINK THAT WOULD TAKE, KELLY?

>> I THINK THAT IF THEY HAVE A TEAM AND IT DEPENDS ON THEIR TEAM, THAT MAY TAKE THEM

PROBABLY 60 DAYS. >> OKAY. WHAT IS STEP NUMBER TWO?

>> ALONG WITH IT, THEY WILL NEED TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES TO THE LEGISLATIVE PIECES OF IT THAT HAS TO OCCUR BY, AND ROLL THEM THROUGH THE CITY PROCESSES BY SEPTEMBER 2020.

SO THAT WOULD BE SECOND. LIKE 2B. I GUESS NUMBER 2.

>> OKAY. >> AND THEN THE THIRD IS ANALYZING HOW WE MAKE CHANGES AND WHERE IT WILL HAVE AN EFFECT ON YOUR LOCAL DEVELOPMENT A SENSE OF THE PRIORITY. SO I WOULD COME BACK TO THIS BODY AND ASK FOR YOU, AFTER WE'VE ANALYZED THOSE SAME ISSUES, THE SAME TOP THREE, HOW DO YOU WANT TO PRIORITIZE

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MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE CHANGES AND UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOUR TO 6 MONTHS FOR A GIVEN TOPIC. AND IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THAT TOPIC IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

IF A PARTICULAR TOPIC IS FAR MORE CONTROVERSIAL IT MIGHT TAKE A FULL YEAR TO GET THROUGH

THAT ONE TOPIC. >> YOU WOULD NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT FUNDING BY WHEN?

>> WE NEED TO KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONTRACT OUT FOR SERVICES THAT INCLUDE BOTH COMP PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REVISIONS, THE SOONER THE BETTER.

I WOULD LIKE TO GET, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGMENT FROM THIS BODY THAT YOU WOULD FUND TO THAT EXTENT AND LOOK TO FIND FUNDS FOR THAT EFFORT. AND HAVE THEM IN PLACE WITH THE SCOPE OF THE WORK, HAVE THAT IN PLACE BY MARCH, SO THAT WE CAN REALLY GET ROLLING ON THE LEGISLATIVE COMPONENT. BECAUSE THAT COMPONENT WILL BECOME DUE TO THE PLANNING BOARD AT THE EARLIEST JULY. I GUESS THAT IS THE LATEST, JULY, TO GET IT TO THE STATE BY

SEPTEMBER. >> MY SECOND QUESTION IS, SEASONAL POPULATION PERILS OF FLOOD AND WATER RESOURCE CREATION, SO THOSE ARE THREE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO GET DONE BY SEPTEMBER 2020. SO WITH VISIONING, IT SEEMS LIKE ONE OF OUR VISIONING OBJECTIVES IS ALREADY SET. DO YOU AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ROSS THAT YOUR STAFF CAN DO

THOSE THREE THINGS IN THREE TO 6 MONTHS? >> NO. COMMISSIONER ROSS THAT YOUR STAFF CAN DO THOSE THREE THINGS IN THREE TO 6 MONTHS?

>> NO. OMMISSIONER ROSS THAT YOUR STAFF CAN DO THOSE THREE THINGS IN THREE TO

6 MONTHS? >> NO. >> GIVE ME YOUR TIMELINE.

>> EACH OF THE TOPICS WOULD BE INDEPENDENTLY THREE AND 6 MONTHS.

>> SO YOU WOULD NEED TO START ON THOSE ASAP TO GET THEM DONE BY SEPTEMBER?

>> YES. BECAUSE THE DEGREE TO WHICH YOU MAY WANT CHANGES RELATIVE TO WATER PLANNING, PERIL OF FLOOD AND SEASONAL POPULATIONS WILL VARY A GREAT DEAL.

AND SO WHILE THERE ARE TEMPLATE DOCUMENTS AVAILABLE THAT WE CAN RELY ON, WHEN YOU BRING IT THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS, I'M NOT SURE THAT THOSE TEMPLATES WILL BE SUFFICIENT FOR THIS

COMMUNITY. >> OKAY. SO DOES THAT GIVE YOU ANY WIGGLE ROOM AT ALL TO MOVE ON TO THE COMP PLAN AFTER YOU DO THOSE?

>> IT WILL BE MUCH LATER. IT WILL HAVE TO OCCUR IN 2021. >> THANK YOU.

>> PLEASE. >> SO UNDER THAT SCENARIO, WOULD OTHER PROJECTS OR WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING HAVE TO BE PUT ON THE BACK BURNER IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THE

TIMELINE THAT WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT? >> YES.

>> SO DO WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE? I KNOW THERE IS A LIST HERE OF SOME DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT I THINK THAT HAVE BEEN ON SOMEBODY'S RADAR SCREEN FOR A WHILE.

IS THE PROJECTS IN HERE? >> SO THOSE ARE STUDIES WHICH HAVEN'T BEEN COMPLETED BUT ARE DIRECTED BY THE COMP PLAN A LOT OF THINGS NEVER GOT FUNDED. THERE WAS NEVER POLICY DIRECTION THAT SAID DO A PARTICULAR STUDY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF THINGS THAT DIDN'T GET IMPLEMENTED INTO THE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT REGULATION EITHER. THERE IS GOOD POLICIES BUT IMPLEMENTATION NEVER OCCURRED.

>> THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN, TURNING THE STAFF AROUND TO DO NOTHING BUT WORKING ON THIS PROJECT, THEN OBVIOUSLY IT GETS BACK TO THE FUNDING FOR NOT ONLY JUST CONSULTANTS BUT ALSO FOR, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR STAFF. BECAUSE I KNOW STAFF IS VERY EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION. BUT CERTAINLY OTHER THINGS WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE ARE NOT GOING TO GET DONE. SO UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT BALANCE IS I THINK IS PART OF

WHAT WE ALL HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AS WELL. >> AGREED.

>> I CAN JUST QUICKLY SPEAK TO, BETWEEN 2009 AND 2011, WHEN WE DID THE LAST REVISION, THE ECONOMY WAS VERY DIFFERENT AT THAT POINT IN TIME. I BELIEVE IN 2010, WE PROCESSED ONE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITHIN THAT YEAR. SO THE WORKLOAD ASSOCIATED WITH DAILY BUSINESS WAS FAR REDUCED. YOU ALSO HAD AT THAT POINT IN TIME THREE DEDICATED PLANNERS.

AND FOR THE MOST PART, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY CASES COMING BEFORE EACH OF OUR BOARDS, WE WEREN'T REVIEWING AS MANY PERMITS, WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY COUNTER BUSINESS, WE HAD

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DEDICATED FOCUS ON JUST REWRITING THE COMP PLAN. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT TODAY.

AND THAT IS THE MAIN DYNAMIC SHIFT BETWEEN 2009 AND 2019. AND OUR ECONOMY IS ROBUST RIGHT NOW. WE'RE DOING VERY WELL. WE'RE SEEING A GREAT DEAL OF CASES COME BEFORE ALL OF OUR BOARDS. AND TO WORK TO THE EXTENT THAT

WE DID PREVIOUSLY IS JUST NOT FEASIBLE TODAY. >> I GOT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

AND THEN A SUGGESTION. THE FIRST THING, JUST AN OBSERVATION, AS MR. KREEGER SAID, MAYBE THE ATTENDANCE WASN'T AS MUCH AS YOU WANTED, BUT I ATTENDED SEVERAL. IMPRES OF COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY THE PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP. THE SUMMARY HERE IS WELL DONE.

I THINK THERE IS MORE DETAILED LIST OF ALL OF THE COMMENTS. I WAS PLEASED AT THE LEVEL AND THOUGHTFULNESS OF THE COMMENTS PUT FORWARD. I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF FOOD FOR THOUGHT THERE. MY POINT IS, IT'S ALMOST A CRIME THAT IF WE DON'T TAKE THAT ENERGY THAT WAS THERE IN THOSE MEETINGS AND FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO FOLLOW UP AND TAKE THOSE IDEAS AND DEVELOP THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE. THE SECOND THING I WANT TO SAY IS I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE COMMENTS ALREADY BEEN MADE ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF USING CONSULTANTS. I'VE BEEN THROUGH THESE PROCESSES MANY TIMES IN MY LIFE. I'LL TELL YOU, KELLY'S NOTION THAT IT WOULD TAKE FIVE YEARS TO GET IT ALL DONE MIGHT BE OPTIMISTIC. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THIS WORK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE WITH REVISING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMP PLAN AND ALL THAT GOES INTO THAT AND ALLOWING FOR ADEQUATE CITIZEN INPUT AND DO THE OTHER WORK THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. THE PROBLEM IS, IF YOU DO IT IN A PIECEMEAL FASHION, WHICH IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THERE, IT ENDS UP TAKING A LOT LONGER, BECAUSE YOU SET A PIECE DOWN, YOU DON'T GET BACK TO IT FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS. YOU'VE GOT TO REDO IT.

IT'S AN INEFFICIENT WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING IT. SO I THINK THE IDEA OF USING CONSULTANTS IS REALLY IMPORTANT HERE. IF WE DON'T DO IT, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO MISS A REAL OPPORTUNITY. HERE IS MY SUGGESTION ABOUT IT.

THE WAY YOU GO ABOUT USING CONSULTANTS TO DO THIS WORK IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

TAKE ONE EXAMPLE, YOU HIRE A CONSULTANT, YOU GIVE THEM A SCOPE OF SERVICES, SEND THEM BACK TO THEIR OFFICE. THEY SHOW UP, EXAGGERATING HERE, SHOW UP IN 6 MONTHS AND SAY HERE IS THE PRODUCT. THAT ISN'T GOING TO WORK. WHAT YOU NEED IS MORE OF A PROCESS WHERE THERE IS ONGOING SORT OF MONITORING OF THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING AND DIRECTIONS GIVEN BACK TO THE CONSULTANT. AND THAT PROCESS OUGHT TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT, THIS IS NO ADVERSE COMMENTARY ON THE STAFF.

IT CAN'T JUST BE CITY STAFF. CITY STAFF NEEDS TO BE AT THE TABLE CERTAINLY.

BUT IT NEEDS TO INCLUDE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, MEMBERS OF THE PAB, GENERAL PUBLIC.

THINK OF IT AS A STEERING COMMITTEE SORT OF CHARGED WITH MONITORING AND GUIDING THE WORK OF THIS CONSULTANT. SO THAT BY THE TIME YOU'RE DONE WITH IT, IF IT'S DONE PROPERLY THERE IS A BIG GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE CONSULTANT HAS DONE.

AND YOU'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD AND ADOPT THE VARIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME OUT OF IT. SO AGAIN, IF YOU DECIDE TO GO WITH CONSULTANTS, I HOPE YOU DO, THE PROCESS BY WHICH YOU HAVE THEM DO THE WORK IS REALLY REALLY IMPORTANT AND I REALLY HOPE YOU CAN COME UP WITH A WAY THAT MONITORS THAT WORK INCREMENTALLY AS IT GOES ALONG.

SO YOU DON'T END UP WITH THE FINAL PRODUCT THAT SAYS GOSH, THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT OR WE DON'T AGREE WITH IT. IT'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT HAS YOUR ENGAGEMENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS. IT'S NOT JUST COMMISSION AND PAB MEMBERS.

WE ALL SHOULD BE REPRESENTED ON THAT. BUT I THINK IT'S HELPFUL AND HEALTHY TO INVOLVE THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THOSE INTERESTED CITIZENS OUGHT TO HAVE A SEAT

AT THE TABLE AS WELL. >> THE POINT, THOUGH, IF YOU USE CONSULTANTS, WE ALMOST NEED A CITY LIAISON CONSTANTLY ALONG WITH OTHER INPUT. YOU KNOW, CONSULTANTS WILL COME IN AND THEY'LL SAY THIS IS A NICE PLAN. AND WE'LL GET THE SAME PLAN.

SO WE HAVE TO MAKE PHILOSOPHICALLY WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS PLAN.

DO WE WANT IT TO WORK AND THAT HAS GOT TO COME OUT OF THE PAB. AND THEN YOU MOVE FORWARD.

ONE GOOD THING ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH KELLY AND MARGO, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN AROUND AND THERE IS A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PEOPLE IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

YOU NEED THAT. WE DON'T NEED SOMEBODY FROM SOUTH FLORIDA COMING UP AND SAYING YOU'VE GOT A GREAT PLAN. I AGREE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I WOULD BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL

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>>> THE OTHER THING JUST TO TAG ON TO WHAT I SAID, THAT SCOPIST SERVICES PROCESS IS SOMETHING THE STEERING COMMITTEE WAS TALKING ABOUT AND OUGHT TO BE ENGAGED WITH.

ASK THEIR IDEAS ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MARCH THROUGH IT THEN YOU ALL KIND OF SIT DOWN TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT PROCESS IS WHAT YOU WANT, MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A SCOPIST AND SPEND SOME TIME ON THAT. I'M PRETTY SURE YOU GET WHAT YOU

WANT WHEN IT'S DONE. >> A PLAN THAT'S NOT ABOUT CONTRADICTIONS THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT.

>> KELLY, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND WE'VE ALSO HEARD FROM SOME COMMISSIONERS, CERTAINLY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS SO HARD TO READ AND INTERPRET, IT NEEDS TO JUST BE THROWN OUT. SO I'M WONDERING IF WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, DOES THE COST CHANGE AT ALL IF THAT'S THE APPROACH VERSUS TAKING WHAT WE HAVE NOW, MAKING THE CHANGES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENT WE HAVE NOW AND MAKING CHANGES THERE? AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HOLD YOU TO THIS, JUST WHAT YOU THINK IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, A TOTAL REWRITE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR STARTING FROM SCRATCH, IS THAT EVEN EASIER MAYBE?

>> I THINK YOU'RE AT A POINT WHERE YOU NEED AN OVERHAUL IN GENERAL. YOU'VE GOT SOME LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED THAT REALLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND REALLY COMING FROM THESE MEETINGS THAT WE UNDERSTOOD IS THERE IS A LOT MORE CHARACTER AND CONTEXT BASED APPROACHES THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCLUDED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ITSELF. YOU HAVE LATITUDE IN YOUR EXISTING POLICIES WHICH DIRECT THAT TODAY.

BUT THOSE ARE LARGER SCALE KINDS OF REVISIONS TO HOW YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FUNCTION THAT REQUIRE THAT YOU KIND OF TOSS IT OUT INITIALLY AND RETHINK IT.

THE OTHER PIECE YOU ADEQUATELY HIT ON IS THAT IT'S CUMBERSOME AND THERE ARE INFORMATION IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS YOU HAVE TO GO AND PICK UP ON AND SO NAVIGATING THROUGH OUR REGULATIONS BECOMES DIFFICULT, IT'S NOT EASY TO READ THROUGH THEM. AND I THINK AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE WITH AN OVERHAUL IS TO STREAMLINE IT AND MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT IS EASIER TO JUST KIND OF WORK THROUGH ON A DAILY BASIS BUT ALSO FOR ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS THAT COME IN TO UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S MORE EXPLAINABLE.

>> SO IS THAT STILL THE 350 FOR THE HIGH-END, THAT WILL BE INCLUDED OR WE NEED ANOTHER 100,000 TO DO A REWRITE?

>> I THINK THAT WOULD INCORPORATE EVERYTHING.

>> ALONG WITH THAT, WOULD THE SAME CONSULTANT BE USED FOR

BOTH? >> I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONSIDER A STRATEGY THAT UTILIZES BOTH.

THE BENEFIT THERE IS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY DRAFTING OF NEW POLICIES THAT DON'T INTERFERE WITH WHERE YOU'RE

HEADED LOCAL DEVELOPMENT WISE. >> DO WE HAVE THE MONEY?

>> WE CAN ALWAYS FIND THE MONEY. >> AND I GUESS MY QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO WHAT THE VICE MAYOR BROUGHT UP IN THE STATE STATUTE. BASICALLY IT SAYS AND I'LL PARAPHRASE HERE ACCORDING TO THE STATE STATUTE FOR OUR E.A.R.

REPORT ALL WE NEED TO DO AT A MINIMUM IS ADDRESS THE CONFLICT BETWEEN WHAT NEW STATE LEGISLATION IS AND WHAT'S IN OUR PLAN. DOES IT SAY WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY, THESE ARE NOW THE THREE THINGS IN COMPLAINT WITH STATE STATUTE.

TO WHAT LEVEL DO WE HAVE TO SUCCEED TO BE COMPLIANT WITH STATE STATUTE. IF WE JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT STATE STATUTE HAS CHANGED AND WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR COMP PLAN TO EFFECT THAT CHANGE RATHER THAN COMPLETING A FULL LOAN STUDY, CAN WE IN FACT BE COMPLIANT WITH THE E.A.R.

STATUTE IN A MATTER OF WEEKS. >> WEEKS.

>> OR MONTHS INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY BECAUSE MY THINKING IS THAT WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THE MINIMAL AMOUNT REQUIRED TO SATISFY THE

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E.A.R. STATUTE AND THEN START WITH THE WHOLE REWRITE PROCESS INSTEAD OF LET'S COME UP WITH A SEASONAL POPULATION OR THIS WATER SOURCE STUDY WHEN WE KNOW DARN WELL IN SIX MONTHS WE'RE GOING TO BE THROWING OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATH WATER ANYWAY.

SO IS THERE A POINT AND AGAIN WE DISCUSSED THIS FIRST THING THIS MORNING AND I DON'T THINK CITY ATTORNEYS HAD A FULL CHANCE TO REVIEW IT. BUT IF WE ARE OF THE OPINION THAT WE NEED A COMP PLAN REWRITE WHY WOULD WE NOT TRY TO DO THE MINIMAL POSSIBLE TO SATISFY THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS OF THE E.A.R. AND SAY WE RECOGNIZE WE NEED A COMPONENT OF PERILS, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, WE'LL HAVE IT DONE IN TWO YEARS.

I GUESS THAT'S MORE WHAT I WOULD SAY, WHY ARE WE GOING TO INVEST ALL OF THIS TIME TO WRITE ALL OF THESE PLANS?

>> MARGO, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT OR DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER

IT? >> I CAN GIVE YOU SOME THOUGHTS.

CERTAINLY THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE ADDRESSED SEASONAL POPULATION, THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THE DRAFT LANGUAGE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE MEETING. THEY STILL THEN NEEDED TO FIGURE OUT A METHODOLOGY THAT WAS GOING TO MAKE SENSE FOR THEM WHEN THEY LOOKED AT CHANGES TO THE FUTURE LAND USE.

YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT IT.

BUT I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT, IT'S NOT WILDLY COMPLICATED.

BUT THEN THE METHODOLOGY COULD GET COMPLICATED.

IN THE CASE OF THE WATER SUPPLY FACILITY WORK PLAN, AT THIS STAGE THERE'S LOTS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA THAT HAVE DONE THEM SO THERE'S LOTS OF EXAMPLES, NASSAU COUNTY'S I BELIEVE LOOKING AT PERHAPS JANUARY 13TH FOR WHEN THEY APPROVE THEIRS. SO YOU CAN CERTAINLY KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT'S BEEN DONE. IT DOES NEED TO REFLECT THE CURRENT SITUATION SO THERE'S SOME ANALYSIS AND RESEARCH THAT'S REQUIRED THERE. PERIL OF FLOOD, CERTAINLY I HAVE SEEN AND I CAN SAY I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF STATE, WHAT HAPPENS AND YOU GUYS KNOW THIS, YOU TRANSMIT IT TO THE STATE.

THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT.

I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM THE STATE ON EITHER OF THOSE TWO LEGISLATIVE CHANGES. PERIL OF FLOOD WE HAVE CERTAINLY SEEN THAT THE STATE HAS BEEN KIND OF PUSHING BACK IF YOU DON'T DO IT I GUESS COMPREHENSIVELY ENOUGH.

SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR MAPS OF SEA LEVEL RISE AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR CERTAIN THINGS THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS FLOODING.

BUT AGAIN THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DONE IT.

IN EXAMPLES OF THE STATE'S COMMENTS ON THESE COMMUNITIES IT MAKES IT EASIER, NOT NECESSARILY EASY THOUGH.

>> JUST TO ADD TO THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE STUDIES DONE.

A STUDY THAT YOU IDENTIFY THAT YOU NEED LIKE SEASONAL POPULATION STUDY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT DONE BY SEPTEMBER BUT YOU NEED THE GOALS AND POLICIES STATED IN YOUR COMP PLAN AND JUST LIKE WE'VE SEEN A BUNCH OF STUDIES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE, IT WILL STAY THIS STUDY SHALL BE DONE BY, AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT WORD SHALL OUT AND CHANGE IT TO MUST OR MAY THAT WE WOULD DO THE STUDY BY THIS DATE. WE HAVE A PLAN TO GET IT DONE AND ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. BUT JUST PUTTING THOSE GOALS AND POLICIES NEW THAT AREN'T THERE THAT ARE MISSING, THAT TAKES SOME TIME. I MEAN IT DOESN'T SEEM COMPLICATED BUT I REMEMBER WHEN STAFF WAS WORKING, THAT'S ALL

THEY WORKED ON FOR TWO YEARS. >> SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO KELLY, HEARING DALE'S EXPLANATION OF MINIMALIST, WHAT WOULD YOUR ESTIMATION OF THAT WORK BE AS FAR AS YOUR STAFF OR

OUTSIDE RESOURCES? >> WE COULD CERTAINLY PICK UP A DOCUMENT AND REMOVE CITY OF WHATEVER AND REPLACE WITH CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH. BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE HERE THAT HAS NEVER BEEN WHAT IS ACCEPTED BY THE CITY.

AND RARELY DOES IT MEET THE CITY'S DESIRE FOR A, INFORMATION, BUT CUSTOMIZED TOPICS.

IF YOU ACCEPT IT WE WILL MEET THE MINIMUM STATE REQUIREMENTS AND MOVE ON. BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE IT HASN'T

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BEEN THAT EASY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY CHANGE EVEN IF IT'S A

SIMPLE LEGISLATIVE ONE. >> YOU SEE WHAT I'M SEARCHING FOR HERE, RIGHT. WE HAVE THE 300,000 ON THE HIGH-END. AND WE HAVE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS ON THE OTHER END. IS THERE A MIDDLE GROUND? I'M TRYING TO GET TO A POINT OF HOW DO WE DECIDE THIS?

WHICH WAY ARE WE GOING HERE? >> I THINK IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO THE COMMUNITY VALUE HERE. AND ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH SORT OF LEAVING IT AS IS AND HANDLING IT INCREMENTALLY.

BECAUSE THAT IS THE MIDDLE GROUND IS AN INCREMENTAL APPROACH TO IT. OR ARE YOU BUILDING ON THE ENERGY PROVIDED EARLIER THIS YEAR AND THINKING ABOUT THE COMMENTS PROVIDED THROUGH THAT IN A WAY THAT IS MEANINGFUL TO YOUR COMMUNITY LONG TERM. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DECIDED. AND AGAIN MY EXPERIENCE HERE IS THE BARE MINIMUM DOESN'T CUT IT. THERE'S A LOT OF AREA WHERE CUSTOMIZATION AND TARGETED STRATEGIES SPECIFIC TO THIS COMMUNITY WITH BACKGROUND DATA ANALYSIS HAS BEEN DEMANDED.

>> COULD YOU GIVE US THREE OPTIONS AT THE NEXT MEETING,

COMMISSION MEETING? >> SURE.

>> OF HOW TO DO THIS. >> ORDER SINCE I'M TALKING TO THE CITY MANAGER AS OPPOSED TO STAFF.

>> OH, I'M SORRY. COULD WE WORK ON THREE OPTIONS.

>> I CAN WORK WITH STAFF. >> OKAY.

>> I DON'T THINK WHAT DALE WAS SAYING WAS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO ON AND LOOK AT THE WHOLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I THINK WHAT THEY WERE SAYING -- >> ABSOLUTELY WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE A SMALL THING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS THE STATUTORY, WE GET THAT DONE. AND THEN WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO GO TO THAT SECOND STEP WHERE WE TAKE IN ALL OF THESE THINGS.

BUT WHAT I'M FEARFUL OF IS WE'RE GOING TO GET LOST IN THE FOREST AND WE'VE GOT TWO TREES TO DEAL WITH AND DEAL WITH THREE TREES, DEAL WITH THOSE THREE TREES AND GET IT DONE AND MOVE ON TO THE MORE EXPANSIVE WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE MORE IMPORTANT PART OF THIS WHOLE THING AND WHERE ALL OF THAT COMMUNITY ENERGY WAS AT ALL OF THESE MEETINGS WHICH I THOUGHT WERE FANTASTIC.

>> I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

BUT I WANT TO SAY TOO THAT THE REGULATORY PROCESSES, THE WATER PLAN IS, I MUST HAVE SEEN 5 OR 6 OR 7 WATER PLANS IN.

AND I DON'T THINK FOR THE PLANNING STEP IT'S GOING TO BE THAT DIFFICULT. I DON'T THINK THE FLOOD IS GOING TO BE THAT DIFFICULT EITHER BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF FLOODPLAIN SEA LEVEL RISE DATA. THE REGION MAY BE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT. IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE AND MEET STATE REQUIREMENTS, BUT FOR SURE WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, I SAY A REWRITE, A REVIEW OF THE COMP PLAN.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS JUST TIME AND MONEY WISE LET'S GET THE EASY PART DONE AND MOVE TO THE HARD PART AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS. WE'LL COME UP WITH THE MONEY I'M

CONFIDENT OF THAT. >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I WILL BECAUSE I SERVE MORE THAN JUST THE PLANNING BOARD, I'LL SAY THAT THAT'S ALWAYS OUR INTENTION IS MOVING FORWARD WITH WRITING CODES OR POLICIES EFFICIENTLY AND CONCISELY AND QUICKLY.

BUT IT'S WHEN WE GET TO AND I'M NOT BLAMING ANYBODY, IT'S BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY GETS VERY INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.

AND SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PERIL OF FLOOD JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, WE DON'T HAVE NEARLY ENOUGH POLICIES AND GOALS IN OUR COMP PLAN THAT MEET THE STATE LAW, THAT'S WHY IT'S FOUND TO BE A DEFICIENT AREA. SO NOW THINK ABOUT I'M JUST PICKING NUMBERS, YOU'RE GOING TO WRITE FIVE GOALS AND 13 POLICIES, DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THAT TAKES? YOU'RE WRITING ONE SENTENCE AND THEN WE HAVE FIVE PEOPLE WHETHER THEY'RE BOARD MEMBERS AND CITIZENS THAT WANT TO WRITE IT A DIFFERENT WAY. NOW WE'RE ON TO THE SECOND MEETING AND THAT'S HOW THE PROCESS ENDS UP WORKING.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT HERE OPENLY.

THAT'S ALWAYS OUR INTENTION. AND IT CAN BE DONE IF IT WAS LIKE THAT. IF WE WERE DOING IT IN A VACUUM, WE WOULD HAVE IT DONE. BUT IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A PROCESS WITH INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AND PEOPLE CARE ABOUT WORDS HERE, THEY'RE INTELLIGENT, AND THEY WANT TO BE PART OF DECIDING THE LANGUAGE. SO IT'S GOING TO BE EITHER, HOPEFULLY NOT, THE CITY COMMISSION SETTING PERHAPS SOME DATES FOR THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS AND THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS SETTING DATES FOR YOURSELF SO WE COULD ACTUALLY

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GET THROUGH AND HAVE A DOCUMENT BY AUGUST THAT THE CITY COMMISSION HAS SEEN FOR STATE APPROVAL.

>> I HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. >> GO AHEAD.

>> PART OF THE PART OF ADDING ON TO WHAT MR. CLARK SAID, I DO THINK THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS, I THINK YOU HAVE A TIME BOX STATE REQUIREMENT TO TAKE CARE OF THESE THREE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE HANDLED TOGETHER.

AND THEN I THINK YOU HAVE THE ISSUE OF REWRITING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND/OR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN USING CONSULTANTS PROBABLY FOR MAYBE BOTH COMPONENTS OR BOTH OF THESE PIECES. THE THING YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU BRING IN CONSULTANTS IS YOU NEED TO HAVE AN OWNER OF THE PROJECT SO YOU NEED TO HAVE A FULL-TIME PROJECT MANAGER AND AN INTERFACE LIAISON BETWEEN THE ORGANIZATION AND YOUR CONSULTANTS OTHERWISE YOU'RE JUST GOING TO GO IN CIRCLES. IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE.

YOU DO NEED A STAKEHOLDER OR SET OF PEOPLE WHETHER YOU CALL IT A STEERING COMMITTEE OR STAKEHOLDERS OR WHATEVER THAT YOU CAN CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE WITH.

I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST AND I KNOW THAT SPACE IS AN ISSUE BUT I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT YOU GIVE SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TO LOOKING AT COLOCATING AT LEAST SOME OF THE CONSULTANTS WITH YOUR STAFF SO THAT THEY CAN GET THINGS ANSWERED QUICKLY AND BECOME PART OF THE PROCESS AND IT WORKS MUCH BETTER TOGETHER.

I'VE WORKED ON LOTS OF BIG NASTY PROJECTS IN MY LIFE.

AND THAT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT THOSE THINGS WORK MUCH BETTER WHEN YOU'RE TOGETHER THAN WHEN YOU'RE SEPARATED.

NOW I DO REALIZE THAT SPACE IS A BIG ISSUE HERE.

BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERED AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT HOW YOU WOULD PUT THIS PROJECT TOGETHER.

BUT PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU'RE GOING TO NEED GOING FORWARD BESIDES MONEY IS YOU NEED A DEDICATED FULL-TIME PROJECT MANAGER. SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO GET PULLED OUT OF THEIR REGULAR JOB AND GIVEN THIS TASK TO WORK ON.

OTHERWISE YOU WILL NOT GET THE RESULT THAT YOU WANT.

>> THOSE ARE GREAT COMMENTS. AND I PARTICULARLY LIKE THE IDEA OF COLOCATING THE CONSULTANT HERE.

>> OR SOME OF THEM. NOT MAYBE ALL OF THEM.

>> IT MAKES THE WHOLE WORK MUCH MORE EFFICIENT.

BUT I'M JUST GOING BACK TO SOME COMMENTS EARLIER AND I THINK YOU JUST SAID IT VERY WELL, BUT JUST I HOPE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, THE COMP PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OR THE LDC AS WE OFTEN CALL IT ARE TWO SEPARATE DISTINCT THINGS AND THEY BOTH NEED WORK. I THINK YOU START WITH THE COMP PLAN, I'M LOOKING AT KELLY HERE. ONCE YOU'VE GOT THAT SORT OF FIGURED OUT YOU CAN GET INTO THE DETAILED REGULATIONS.

I THINK WE'VE HEARD IN MY OWN EXPERIENCE LIMITED VOTE IS THAT THE LDC REALLY DOES NEED A MAJOR REWRITE.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE INTERPRETATION ISSUES, YOU HAVE CONFLICTED LANGUAGES FROM TIME TO TIME. IT REALLY DOES NEED AN OVERHAUL.

I HOPE AS YOU THINK ABOUT THIS YOU FIND A WAY TO HAVE BOTH OF THOSE MAJOR ELEMENTS DONE IN ADDITION TO THE MANDATED

LEGISLATIVE PIECES. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY MANAGER COME BACK AND GIVE US SOME OPTIONS, MORE REFINED OPTIONS ABOUT THE COST AND THE TIME.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO YOU -- >> AND I THINK YOU NEED AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND A RESOURCE PLAN.

>> AND PART OF THAT, A THIRD OPTION IS HIRING A PROJECT

MANAGER. >> SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS WHAT'S

GOING ON. >> YOU NEED TO PULL SOMEBODY OUT OF THEIR JOB, YOU CAN'T BRING A STRANGER IN AND HAVE THEM RUN A PROJECT WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW ANYBODY AND DON'T KNOW ANY HISTORY. IT JUST MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT.

>> SO ITEM 4.2 IS DISCUSSING DIRECTION.

DID WE ACCOMPLISH THE DISCUSSION THE DIRECTION THAT WE ARE RIGHT NOW? I THINK YOU HAVE THE DIRECTION THAT YOU NEED. IF YOU COULD MOVE ON TO ITEM

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FIVE, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS? AND IF NOT, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT NUMBER SIX.

[Items 6 & 7]

WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME?

>> I WILL SAY THAT I THINK -- >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> STEVE COOK.

2629 RIDGEVILLE AVENUE. THE IDEA WAS EXPRESSED ABOUT THE PROJECT MANAGER TAKING THE LEAD, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HAVE SEEN THAT GETS DROPPED IN THE WORKS. IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S DEDICATED TO PUSHING THAT PROJECT AND KNOWING WHICH BUTTONS TO PUSH AND WHICH LEVERS TO PULL AT THE RIGHT TIME IT JUST SITS THERE AND FLOATS. AND WITH DUE RESPECT TO HALF OF THE PROJECTS HERE, I SEE WHERE THEY GET OUT OF HAND AND EVERYBODY IS GOING WELL IT'S THEIR FAULT.

WELL IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT, THE FAULT IS YOU NEED SOMEBODY THAT TAKES THE RESPONSIBILITY ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

AND IF YOU DON'T, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

YOU'RE JUST WASTING YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR?

YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. >> DOUG ROSELL, 524 TARPIN AVENUE. KELLY, YOU MENTIONED THE MEMO OF 10/10/19. IS THAT AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE IT? OKAY.

THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS WE TALKED ABOUT THINGS BEING THE COUNTY, IS THE COUNTY SETTING UP RESOURCES TO DO THIS SAME THING.

IS THERE A POSSIBILITY FOR COORDINATION WITH THEM?

>> TWO THINGS, THE COUNTY WAS REPRESENTED AT SOME OF THE MEETINGS. I BELIEVE THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION MEETING WAS ONE OF THEM.

AND THEY DID REFERENCE THIS IDEA OF I THINK THEY CALLED IT A JOINT AREA, THE ISLAND WOULD BE A JOINT PLANNING AREA WHERE THERE WOULD BE COLLABORATION. THAT'S THE LAST, YOU PROBABLY KNOW MORE THAN I DO. BUT THEY WERE THERE AND SEEMED RECEPTIVE. AND THIS IS MORE SORT OF AN IMPLEMENTATION ISSUE BUT THE COUNTY HAS JUST, WE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH THEM ON THEIR WATER SUPPLY FACILITY WORK PLAN.

AND THEIR LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY HAS LOOKED AT IT A COUPLE OF TIMES. AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING TO BE GOING TO THE COMMISSION ON I BELIEVE JANUARY 13TH, SOMETIME

IN JANUARY. >> ANYONE ELSE?

YES, MA'AM? >> I --

>> WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> SORRY -- I AGREE WITH NEED TO DO BOTH IN DETAIL BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF --

>> SPECIFICITY. >> THE FACT THAT WE CAN'T AGREE INDICATES THAT WE NEED TO RESOLVE THAT.

AND WE'LL ACKNOWLEDGE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS NOT IN THE SAME PLACE. I'M CONCERNED, I KNOW THIS IS A HUGE JOB. I AGREE THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO COORDINATE IT. IT NEEDS TO BE SOMEBODY WHO HAS A DEPTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE, NOT JUST ANYONE WHO MIGHT HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT. PERSONALLY I CAN'T THINK OF ANYBODY WHO HAS THAT DEPTH OF EXPERIENCE OTHER THAN KELLY.

SORRY, KELLY. BUT I MEAN I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND THIS MAY MEAN THAT WE NEED TO EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR GETTING THESE THINGS DONE. IN OTHER WORDS SOMETHING LIKE KELLY HAD PUT SOMETHING IN ABOUT A MORATORIUM ON DEVELOPMENT DURING THAT TIME. SO I'M NOT SAYING WHAT WE SHOULD DO, I'M SAYING THAT WE NEED TO EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR GETTING IT DONE. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE FIVE YEARS. IF WE LOOKED AT THE CHANGES IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THAT SHOULD TELL US THAT THE NEXT FIVE YEARS WILL HAVE DRAMATIC CHANGE. PARTICULARLY WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COUNTY. AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT. I THINK THIS IS A CRITICAL INVESTMENT AT A CRITICAL TIME. I THINK EVERYONE WANTS

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FERNANDINA BEACH TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND A FABULOUS PLACE NOT TOMORROW BUT ALSO FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. WHEN YOUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS ARE GROWN THIS IS THEIR LEGACY, THIS IS THEIR PLACE THAT YOU'RE PREPARING. AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN TRY TO DO IT UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK WE CAN TRY TO DO IT THE CHEAP WAY OR THE QUICK WAY OR WITHOUT A SERIOUS INVESTMENT.

I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT, WE'RE ON A BARRIER ISLAND, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT IN MANY OF THE SESSIONS THEY HAD FOR PUBLIC INPUT.

WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CONCRETE NOTION OF WITH THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT IN PLACE -- WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS THE IMPACT WHEN YOU HAVE TO EVACUATE FOR A HURRICANE.

THERE ARE CERTAIN BOTTLENECKS AND SO ON.

THERE ARE CERTAIN ISSUES WITH THE ROADS.

WE'RE NOT IN WEST NASSAU COUNTY WHERE MAYBE YOU COULD BUILD A SIX LANE HIGHWAY OR SOMETHING. WE COULD DO THAT HERE AND THAT WOULD COME TO THE WHOLE ISLAND. BUT WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT OUR CAPACITIES ARE, WHAT IS REALISTIC, AND ALL OF THAT INVOLVES STUDY. WE EACH KNOW AND DECIDE AND COME TO SOME MUCH WALL AGREEMENT ON WHAT WE WANT OUR VISION TO BE.

WHAT DO WE WANT THE FUTURE OF FERNANDINA BEACH AND THE ISLAND TO BE. WE NEED TO HAVE A SHARED VISION FOR IT. AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF IT BECAUSE THAT IS REFLECTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT'S THE NATURE OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND WE NEED TO THANK ABOUT HOW WE CAN TAKE OUR FLOODPLAIN RESILIENCY DATA THAT WE HAVE AND ARE DEVELOPING AND OPTIMIZE THE SUSTAINABILITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH. AND THAT INCLUDES THE ENVIRONMENT OF COURSE BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY OF THE ISLAND.

NOT FOR TODAY OR TOMORROW OR WHAT GOES IN SOMEBODY'S POCKET TOMORROW. BUT FOR THE LONG TERM.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

WE FINISHED FIVE MINUTES EARLY. REAL QUICK, IS THERE ANY OTHER STATE LEGISLATION IN THE PIPELINE THAT IS SIMILAR TO THESE THAT WE NEED TO BE TRACKING OR LOBBY FOR OR AGAINST THAT COULD EFFECT THE SAME SITUATION?

>> I'M AWARE OF A COUPLE OF PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT WE'LL WANT TO BE TRACKING OVER THE NEXT YEAR.

THE FIRST THE GREATEST CONCERN IS LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND THE EXTEND TO WHICH YOU CAN ADD IN THINGS THAT GO BEYOND SETBACKS AS AN EXAMPLE DESIGN STANDARDS, MINIMUM CRITERIA FOR BUILDING MATERIALS, THAT TYPE OF THING.

I'M HAPPY TO SEND YOU THAT BILL. BUT FOR TRACKING PURPOSES THAT'S

ONE TO BE MOST AWARE OF. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY WITH T

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