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>> CHAIRMAN: CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR MONTHLY MEETING OF THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION.
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CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL?CHANCE TO READ OVER THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH? >> BOARD MEMBER: YES. I HAVE ONE THING I'D LIKE TO ADD TO IT. IT WAS DURING THE FLIGHT TRAINING PRESENTATION. I THOUGHT THAT I CERTAINLY EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE FLIGHT PATTERN AND PATTERN CONGESTION. I THINK ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS DID, ALSO. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ENOUGH EMPHASIS ON THAT IN THE MINUTES. SO, I'D ASK YOU TO ADD SOME MORE WORDS, PUT A LITTLE MORE EMPHASIS ON OUR CONCERN ABOUT PATTERN SAFETY AND CONGESTION IN THE PATTERN THAT WE ALL
EXPRESSED. >> CHAIRMAN: OKAY. >> BOARD MEMBER: I THOUGHT YOU CAPTURED EVERYBODY ELSE. YOU CAPTURED THE AUDIENCE' COMMENTS. BUT JUST ONE STATEMENT ABOUT WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT CONGESTION. AND IT REALLY IS A VERY HIGH -- VERY IMPORTANT ITEM
>> I THINK NATE CAPTURED IT IN HIS SUMMATION AT THE END? >> HE MADE A STATEMENT THAT
CONCERNS CONGESTION AT THE AIRPORT AND NOISE IMPACT. >> BOARD MEMBER: I WANT IT TO BE STRONGER. TO ME IT IS A VERY, VERY WORRISOME ADDITION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THERE. IF HE DOES WHAT HE SAID HE IS GOING TO DO. I'D LIKE TO SEE A STRONGER STATEMENT THAT WAS OUR CONCERN ABOUT THE CONGESTION. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE VERBS ARE, THE ADJECTIVES ADDED TO STRESS -- IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THAT KIND OF BUSINESS IN HERE -- HE WAS TOO QUICK TO SAY WE'LL JUST ADD A TOWER. YOU DON'T JUST ADD A TOWER YOU KNOW. HE HAS TO REALLY ADDRESS THAT, IF HE IS
GOING TO PUT THAT FLIGHT TRAINING ACADEMY IN THERE >> TO SOMETHING TO THE NATURE OF THE AC CAME TO CONSENSUS THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT THE VOLUME OF OPERATION PRO PROSED IN THE PRESENTATION AND THERE SHOULD BE SOME FORM OF ANALYSIS CONDUCTED TO 'VIEW THAT VOLUME AND/OR
OPTIONS? >> BOARD MEMBER: JUST A MINUTE. I GOT A SUGGESTION. BECAUSE I'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO ADD TO WHAT DON IS SAYING AS WELL. MAYBE THIS WOULD BE BETTER BROUGHT UP AND GET INTO THE MINUTES OF TONIGHT'S MEETING WHEN WE HAVE COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS AND COMMENTS AT THE END OF THIS MEETING. AND WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AND GET MORE
FULL DETAIL OF WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO EXPRESS INTO THAT. >> BOARD MEMBER: I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. BUT THIS REFLECTS LAST MONTH'S MEETING. AND LAST MONTH'S MEETING WE CERTAINLY WERE NOR EMPHATIC ABOUT THAT ISSUE. JUST TO CHANGE THAT LAST PARAGRAPH TO JUST BEEF IT UP MORE. THAT IT WAS A PRIMARY CONCERN. TO ME IT WAS A PRIMARY CONCERN.
EVERYTHING ELSE HE HAD, YOU KNOW, IT COULD HAPPEN. AND THE CITIZENS RESPONSE ABOUT NOISE AND ALL THAT. BUT THAT TO ME HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED. SO I JUST WANT IT TO REFLECT IN THERE THAT IT REALLY WAS A PRIMARY CONCERN OF THE COMMISSION.
>> WELL I THINK IT'S CLEARLY CONCERN -- A CONCERN OF YOURS AND THAT IS OKAY. BUT I'M NOT
SURE WE ALL FEEL THAT WAY. >> BOARD MEMBER: OKAY. >> FOR THE SAKE OF THE MINUTES, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS YOU WANT ME TO PUT AN EMPHASIS THERE WAS A CONCERN EXPRESSED FROM SOME MEMBERS ABOUT THE CONGESTION. WE HAVE SOME OF THAT IN HERE. IF YOU WANT ME TO EXPAND UPON WHAT CONGESTION CONCERNS COULD MEAN WITH SATURATION OF THE AIRSPACE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. I THINK THAT WAS DISCUSSED FOR SURE. I CAN GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE AUDIO AND GET MORE DETAIL OF SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS
RELATED TO IT. I CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT. >> BOARD MEMBER: OKAY.
>> IF THAT IS THE CASE, WHAT WE DO IS I WILL PROBABLY BRING BACK A SET OF MINUTES.
>> BOARD MEMBER: JUST ADD THAT IN THERE. IF YOU WANT TO SAY DON EDLIN HAD THE CONCERN.
ALTHOUGH I THINK EVERYBODY THAT FLIES HERE A LOT UNDERSTANDS HOW CONGESTED IT CAN GET WHEN YOU GET MORE THAN FIVE IN A PATTERN IT IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION. AND, YOU KNOW, IF HE DOES WHAT
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HE IS GOING TO DO, WE COULD HAVE -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HE IS GOING HAVE OR HOW HE IS GOINGCONTROL IT AM BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN >> SOMEWHAT SPECULATIVE AT THIS POINT. BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OPERATION IS GOING TO BE
>> HE HASN'T EVEN PUT A PROPOSAL TOGETHER. HE JUST CAME AND GAVE US A BRIEFING.
>> BOARD MEMBER: I WAS IMPRESSED BY HOW TOP HEAVY THE ORGANIZATION WAS. BUT I WASN'T AT ALL IMPRESSED BY THE OPERATIONAL DESCRIPTIONS OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT. AND I DON'T THINK THEY FIGURED THAT OUT, QUITE HONESTLY.
>> I WAS JUST GETTING LET'S CAPTURE WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE MEETING. I CAN EXPAND UPON THAT. IF IT COMES BACK INTO THE AGENDA ITEM AND WE HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION AND THAT SORT OF
THING. >> BOARD MEMBER: OF COURSE. ALSO, I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THE WE'LL JUST BUY A 141 SCHOOL AND JUST BUY A 135 CERTIFICATE.
>> LET'S GET FROM DISCUSSING LAST MONTH'S AGENDA TO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MINUTES
>> IF THEY COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL, SCHEDULE AN AGENDA WHERE THE DISCUSSION CAN BE HELD AND THE PUBLIC CAN BE HERE AND HEAR COMMENTS RELATED. I THINK DON WOULD LIKE ME TO GO BACK AND
LISTEN TO THE AUDIO AND SEE IF I CAN ADD MORE DETAIL. >> BOARD MEMBER: MORE DETAIL AND
MORE EMPHASIS ON THE FACT IT WAS A PRIMARY CONCERN >> OKAY. I CAN DO THAT. IF THE GROUP WOULD LIKE I CAN BRING IT BACK TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT ACCURATE.
>> BOARD MEMBER: JUST HOLD OFF AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE REVISIONS WHEN YOU GET THEM DONE
>> AND I'VE GOT A CORRECTION FROM MR. GILLEY FOR ATENENS. -- ATTENDANCE.
>> CHAIRMAN: MOVING ON TO NUMBER 4. PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
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>> WE HAVE A SIGNAGE HERE. JUST PUT YOUR NAME ON IT AND GO TO THE PODIUM AND GIVE YOUR
ADDRESS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SURE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, OR I GUESS ADVISORY BOARD, WE ARE ADVISORY TO THE AIRPORT. MY NAME IS RICK. I AM A RESIDENT. A LIFETIMER HERE. I LIVE AT CARLTON DUNES. LIVED THERE FOR 20 YEARS. I'M ALSO A LIEUTENANT IN THE AIRPORT. I'VE BEEN P PLAY -- FLYING. I'VE OWNED MANY AIRPLANES. MY FAMILY HAS OWNED MANY AIRPLANES. I'M ON THE BOARD OF CARLTON DUNES. HALF OF THE MEMBERS ARE PILOTS. SO, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE I AM A FLYING GUY BEEN FLYING ALL MY LIFE AND ALL OVER FLORIDA BUT I'M A FERNANDINA GUY. I AM AN AMELIA ISLAND GUY. I LIVE HERE. THIS IS MY HOME.
MY CONDO IS LITERALLY MILE POINT ONE FROM THE THRESHOLD OF 31. SO WE DEAL WITH THIS. I AM A PILOT AND I OFTEN LOOK OUT THERE AND I HAVE MY SCANNER ON AND SAY HE IS WAY TOO LOW TO BE COMING OVER OUR BUILDING IN THE RITZ. WE DEAL WITH IT ALL THE TIME. I ALSO HAVE A BUSINESS IN GAINESVILLE. I AM A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER. SO I DEAL WITH GOVERNMENT LAWS AND DEALING WITH REGULATIONS. I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESSES OF ALL THIS. OUR CONCERN IS THAT, ONE, THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUE TO BRING THIS CALIBER, THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS TO OUR COMMUNITY. TO ME -- AND I'M A CAR GUY. I'M BEST FRIENDS WITH BILL WARNER AND TWO OF THE GUYS THAT WANT TO DO THE CAR CENTRIC THEME AT THE AIRPORT. I OWN COLLECTIBLE CARS. AND I WILL TELL YOU, I DO NOT WANT THEM TO PUT THAT PROJECT OUT THERE. BECAUSE THIS IS MY HOME. I DON'T WANT A RACE TRACK RUNNING AROUND ON MY ISLAND. I DIDN'T WANT THAT QUALITY OF LIFE. I ALSO -- WE'VE HAD A HOME BASE IN GAINESVILLE. WE HAD OUR OWN CORPORATE -- MY PARENTS HAD A HAWKER AND THEY WOULD TAKE TEN MINUTES TO FLY FROM GAINESVILLE TO FERNANDINA AND 20 MINUTES TO DRIVE TO THE CONDO. SO WE KNOW WHAT FLIGHT SCHOOLS CAN DO TO A AIRPORT LIKE A GAINESVILLE. BECAUSE WE SAW IT ALL THE TIME. I MEAN, IF I WENT OUT TO JUST DO MY PRACTICE OR WHATEVER. AND THIS IS NOT A BLOW TO THE STATEMENT BUT MY FRIENDS AT THE TOWER WILL TELL YOU HALF THE GUYS THAT ARE COMING IN TO DO APPROACHES AND STUFF ARE A NIGHTMARE FOR US. BECAUSE HALF OF THEM DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH. SO I SEE THIS BIG PRESENTATION AND IT'S VERY TOP HEAVY ON WHAT, QUITE FRANKLY, TO THE NOVICE PERSON AND OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR PILOTS LOOKED AT THAT AND IT WAS SHOCKING.
FIGHTER JETS AND ALL THIS STUFF. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WAY OVER THE TOP. WE'RE BACK TO WHAT IS THE SCALE OF AMELIA ISLAND MEANS TO US THAT LIVE HERE AS OUR HOME YOU KNOW. I'M ALL FOR A NICE
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FBO FLIGHT SCHOOL. I WAS A CLASSIC CESSNA PILOT'S KID THAT WENT THROUGH THE PROGRAM. THIS IS NOT THAT. I ALSO HAVE PROPERTY IN VERO BEACH. SO, I'VE DEALT WITH FLIGHT SAFETY FOREVER. I KNOW THAT. I KNOW WHAT FOUR ACRES OF PLANES CAN LOOK LIKE IN A HEART BEAT. I ALSO SNOW NO MATTER WHAT WE DO AS A COMMUNITY AND THE COMMISSION CAN PUT ALL THE RULES ON THE GROUND. ONCE THAT PLANE BREAKS GROUND, IT IS THE FAA THAT CONTROLS THE AIRSPACE. AS MUCH AS I WOULD LOVE FOR SOMEONE TO REGULATE THE NUMBER OF PARA SALES THAT FLY UP AND DOWN OFF MY BALCONY GOING BACK AND FORTH AND CIRCLING OVER THE RITZ POOL I KNOW THEY'RE IN REGULATED SPACE AND THERE'S NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT. SO, WHEN WE GOT THIS INFORMATION, IT CAME, QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAD THE ARTICLE IN THE NEWSPAPER. LIKE WHAT'S THIS. AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE PRESENTATION. SO, APOLOGIZE THAT WE WEREN'T HERE LAST MEETING, BUT -- AND AS A TENANT I THINK THEY ALWAYS SEND ME THE 'GYPPEDAS BUT THIS IS THE ONE AGENDA THAT YOU SAID WAS TOO BIG TO ATTACH. YOU PUT A LINK TO IT WHEN I WAS OUT OF TOWN AND I CLICKED THE LINK AND IT TOOK ME TO A SITE THAT SAID IT WASN'T THERE. IT'S STILL NOT THERE THIS MORNING. THE 14TH AGENDA NEVER GOT POSTED ON THE LINK. SO I PROMISE YOU WHERE I WAS BEFORE ON THE 7TH WHEN I FIRST TRIED TO SEE WHAT WAS ON THE AGENDA, IF I HAD SEEN THAT PRESENTATION, I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN IT TO THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS AND THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE. SO, WE'RE PLAYING CATCH-UP AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I WISH I WAS HERE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR WHATEVER WE CALL HIM. AND I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT A SOLUTION HERE. I'M SAYING THAT THIS IS A MAJOR CHANGE IN THE SCOPE AND SCALE OF WHAT THIS COMMUNITY MEANS. THIS TOWN WENT NUTS WHEN WE HAD PEOPLE START BUILDING A SUBDIVISION ON ZONED LAND THAT WAS NON-COMPLIANT WITH A COMP PLAN AND TRY TO STOP IT AFTER THE ROADS WERE IN. PEOPLE ARE VERY SENSITIVE. PEOPLE GOT SENSITIVE WHEN THEY TRIED TO PUT CELL TOWERS ON THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND. THE COMMUNITY STOPPED IT. CLEARLY THEY STOPPED THE CAR THING. I THINK THAT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS A BETTER PARTICIPATION ON A MAJOR DECISION OF THIS CALIBER OF PROGRAM. THEY ARE SO HEAVY -- I'M VERY SUSPICIOUS WHEN I READ THROUGH THIS AND ALL I HEAR ABOUT THIS TEN YEAR PLAN TO BE ELECTRIC PLANES. I CAN REMEMBER WHEN I WAS IN THE '70S LEARN INFORMATION FLY AND WE HEARD ABOUT NASA TRYING TO COME UP WITH A ELECTRIC PLANE BECAUSE WE HAD THE OIL EMBARGO GOING ON.IT'S NOT LIKE A NEW IDEA. AND WE'RE IN THE CAR BUSINESS AND HAVE BEEN IN THE CAR BUSINESS AND I CAN TELL YOU THE CAR INDUSTRY WANTS TO BRAG ABOUT THEIR ELECTRIC CARS BUT IT'S NOT TWO PERCENT OF THE PRODUCTION OF THE WORLD'S CARS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM COME UP WITH A VIABLE PLANE BUT IT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY. SO, OUR BOARD LOOKS AT THIS AND SAYS YOU PUT SO MUCH EMPHASIS TELLINGS YOU -- THE WHOLE PRESENTATION WAS -- WHEN I READ THROUGH IT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE FLYING ELECTRIC PLANES. YOU ARE GOING TO BE FLYING THEM IN TEN YEARS.
YOU KNOW WHAT MY RESIDENTS TELL ME BECAUSE I'M ONE OF THE YOUNGEST ONES THERE. THEY LOOK AT ME AND SAY I'M NOT GOING TO BE ALIVE IN TEN YEARS. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE WITH THIS. ALL THESE PLANES FLYING WITH GAS BURNERS ON THIS TEASE. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS TO ME. IT IS A CORPORATE TEASE. WE'RE GOING GIVE YOU THIS DOWN THE ROAD. I'M A DEVELOPER. IF I WENT AND TOLD THE COMMISSIONER HERE THAT LET ME CUT THIS 100 YEAR OAK TEAR DOWN AND I PROMISE I'LL PLANT A NEW TREE IN 100 YEARS IT WILL LOOK THE SAME HE WILL TELL YOU GET OUT OF HERE. HE NEEDS TO COME BACK WHEN HE HAS PLANES IN TEN YEARS THAT ARE ELECTRIC AND CERTIFIED AND WE'LL TALK. I DIDN'T MOVE HERE -- I LOVE THE OPENING LINE, YOU KNOW: LIFTING THE SOUL OF AVIATION. I'M HERE TO LIFT THE SOUL OF AMELIA ISLAND. THAT'S WHAT I AM HERE FOR. I DIDN'T BUY A PLACE HERE TO HAVE -- I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE AGENDA CAME FROM THIS COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE THIS NEED FOR INDUSTRIAL EXPANSION AND ECONOMIC EXPANSION. I DIDN'T READ THAT. THE PEOPLE I TALK TO AND LIVE WITH HERE, THEY ARE ACTUALLY ON THE OTHER WAY. HOW DO WE SLOW DOWN THIS SOUTH POINT DEVELOPMENT. HOW DO WE NOT HAVE THIS MISTAKE HAPPEN AGAIN SO WE DON'T HAVE A SAY IN WHAT TREES GET CUT DOWN AND STUFF. I'M A DEVELOPER THAT WILL LITERALLY DIE TO SAVE A TREE. I'M THAT GUY. GAINESVILLE IS A LIBERAL TOWN. WE DO EVERYTHING TO SAVE A TREE. SO, KNOW THE OTHER THING IS THE ECONOMICS OF THIS IN PERSPECTIVE. YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE 30, $40,000 A YEAR RENT ON THIS. 30, $40,000 A YEAR DOESN'T PAY FOR TWO CONDO TAXES AT CARLTON DUNES. THAT'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY THE PROPERTY TAXES FOR TWO CARLTON DUNES OKAY. I JUST LOOK AT THAT LIKE THAT IS NOT AN ECONOMIC GAME CHANGER FOR ME. IF YOU ARE TELLING ME THEY'RE COMING AND
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GOING TO PAY US HALF A MILLION DOLLARS I WOULD SAY MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH IT. THE SECOND THING IS $10 MILLION THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND ON PLANES, THEY'RE NOT PAYING TAXES ON THAT. THEY'RE NOT PAYING PROPERTY TAXES TO GO TO FIREFIGHTERS AND SCHOOL TEACHERS ON THAT. I MEAN, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS COMMISSION BEFORE IT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH SAY TO THESE PEOPLE, IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS, WE WANT A COMMUNITY REP. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE THAT AREN'T AVIATORS UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS TYPE OF FLIGHT SCHOOL IS. BECAUSE I TELL YOU, I CAN CONTROL -- THE COMMISSIONERS COULD CONTROL THE SOUND OF THE RACE CARS ON THAT RACE TRACK A LOT EASIER THAN THEY CAN CONTROL THE PLANES FLYING OVERHEAD. BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE NO SAY ONCE THOSE PLANES FLY OVERHEAD. I CAN GO TO THE AIRPORT AND PULL UP MY CESSNA AND FLY ALL DAY LONG IN THE PATTERN AND NOT ONE PERSON IN THIS ROOM CAN TELL ME STOP FLYING; YOU'VE USED YOUR TIME UP. SO, THIS IS LIKE LETTING SOMEONE IN THE DOOR. YOU LET THEM IN THE DOOR, AND I THINK THAT WE COULD BE IN A MESS. AND I AM AN AVIATION GUY. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A LOCAL COMMUNITY-BASED FLIGHT SCHOOL THAT'S PROMOTING LOCAL KIDS TO GET IN TO AVIATION. BUT THIS IS BRINGING PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY -- AND I ALWAYS FIND THIS INTERESTING WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY PUT DOWN AS THE ECONOMIC REASONS WHY IT'S HERE. BECAUSE IT'S FRIENDLY. THAT'S WHY I CAME HERE. FAVORABLE CLIMATE. THAT'S WHY I LIVE HERE. ACCESSIBLE. THAT'S WHY I LIVE HERE. GROWTH. I THINK THEY THINK WE WANT GROWTH. I THINK WE'RE KIND OF LIKE THE OTHER WAY. LIKE I THINK WE GOT ENOUGH GROWTH. AND ECONOMIC VALUE. BECAUSE IT'S CHEAP.THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE IN THE IMPACT ON THIS COMMUNITY. THE PEOPLE THEY'RE GOING TO BRING IN ARE NOT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE LIFESTYLE THIS COMMUNITY WAS BUILT AROUND. WE'RE A RESORT TOWN. WE'RE RECREATION. WE'RE RETIREMENT. PEOPLE COME HERE BECAUSE THEY WANT -- THOSE OF US WHO HAVE OUR LITTLE PLANES OUT THERE THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE TO HAVE A PLANE, WE DO IT BECAUSE IT IS OUR LOVE AND PASSION. THIS IS NOT THAT. SO I AM GOING TO ASK THAT THIS COMMISSION REALLY PUT A PROCESS THAT IF THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS A DEAL GETS MADE IN THE BACK AND THEN THE DAY IT COMES BEFORE YOU IT'S ALREADY WORKED OUT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GO THROUGH A PRESENTATION LIKE THIS AND HAVE ANY REBUTTAL WITHOUT HAVING ADVANCED NOTICE OF WHAT IT IS THE DEAL IS. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THE EXTENDED TIME. I'M SORRY WE WEREN'T HERE. BUT I WILL ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WOULD GIVE US, YOU KNOW, SOME SAY OR SOME PARTICIPATION IN IT WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO SO. OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ON SHORT NOTICE COULDN'T ATTEND. OUR NEXT OFFICIAL BOARD MEETING IS IN JANUARY. I SUSPECT THE BOARD WILL HAVE A FORMAL VOTE ON WHAT THEIR POSITION WOULD BE ON IT. BUT I AM AVAILABLE. NATHAN KNOWS THE OTHER PILOTS. YOU KNOW ROGER. YOU KNOW, DR. EVANS CALLED YOU TODAY OR WHATEVER. YOU KNOW, HARVEY, HE IS AVAILABLE. I MEAN, YOU GOT PILOT FRIENDLY PEOPLE THERE BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT -- BECAUSE WE ALWAYS KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT WHAT THIS TYPE OF SCHOOL IS AND IT'S NOT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN OUR AIRPORT. NOT IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS HERE. SO THANK YOU.
>> BOARD MEMBER: I'D LIKE TO OFFER. I MENTIONED TO A LOT OF FOLKS IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES OR GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY THERE ARE -- THERE'S NO SHORTAGE -- JUST LIKE YOU SAID THE FAA OWNS THE AIRSPACE. THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF RED TAPE ON THE AIRPORT. I WOULD LOVE NOTHING MORE THAN TO CONNECT WITH GROUPS TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS THE PROCESS THAT WOULD GO FORTH IF THEY PROVIDE AN APPLICATION AND WHERE THE RESTRICTIONS ARE FROM THE FAA ON HOW WE OPERATE A PUBLIC USE AIRPORT. I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I OFFER THAT TO EVERYBODY THAT CALLS.
GIVE ME TIME AND I'LL STOP BY AND TALK AND EXPRESS IT TO YOU SO I KNOW HERB KNOWS THE
BACKGROUND ON THAT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: WE HAVE A VERY ACKNOWLEDGED BASE GROUP OF PEOPLE ON OUR SIDE. A LOT OF THINGS IN POLITICS THAT DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE. IT IS A FEDERAL OFFENSE TO BE DRIVING OUT THERE ON THE BEACHES WITH FEDERAL PROTECTION ON LAWS AND NO ONE IS ENFORCING THAT. IT'S WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO CHOOSE ENFORCE ON ANY GIVEN DAY. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU AS A COMMUNITY WE OWE IT AMONG OURSELVES AS RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION HOLISTICALLY ABOUT IS THIS REALLY WHAT WE WANT. AND IF YOU TELL ME THAT IN THE END -- IF YOU ARE TELLING ME HYPOTHETICAL IF THESE FINE FOLKS SAY NO WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS AND THEY COME WITH A GUN AND SAY YOU HAVE TO DO IT, I WILL TELL YOU I WILL BE ASSURE YOU WE CAN RAISE THE FUNDS TO HELP YOU FUND WHATEVER LAWSUIT YOU NEED TO STOP IT. I DON'T THINK THIS COMMUNITY WANTS TO BE FORCED TO DO SOMETHING. WHAT I SENSE IS THAT THERE'S GOING TO
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BE THIS CONCERN THAT MAYBE PEOPLE THAT KIND OF GOT AN INSIDE TRACK TO SOME PEOPLE TO PERSUADE AND WE'RE NOT HEARING THE WHOLE CONVERSATION. WE WANT TO BE AT THE TABLE TO HEAR WHATEXACTLY YOU PROMISED. >> YOU BET. SO THE PROCESS IS PRETTY CLEAN IF I IT COMES BACK.
THERE'S A COMMERCIAL APPLICATION SUBMITTED TO THE A.C. THAT THE PRESENTATION PROVIDED WAS PRELIMINARY. WE HAVEN'T EVEN RECEIVED A PROPOSAL. THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS NOT TRANSPARENT ABOUT A PROCESS THAT COMES BACK. A COMMERCIAL OPERATOR THAT COMES TO THE AIRPORT. WE CAN'T UNJUSTLY DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ANY OPERATOR. THEY'RE PAYING THE AERONAUTICAL RATE. SO, ALL OF OUR COMMERCIAL OPERATORS ARE TREATED THE SAME. SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO MAKE UP UNIQUE TERMS FOR COMMERCIAL OPERATORS. I'D LOVE TO SIT DOWN AND WALK THROUGH THAT WITH YOU.
>> BOARD MEMBER: OUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE WELL DEFINED IN WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AIRPORT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH FAA REGULATIONS. AND WE TAKE ALL OF THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE WE WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THEIR FINAL APPROVAL.
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY THERE'S A VERY STANDARDIZED PROCESS THE FAA GOVERNS US TO.
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING I WORK IN NOTHING BUT LOCAL REGULATED INDUSTRY.
WE CAN'T BREATHE WITHOUT TALKING TO A COMMISSIONER ANYMORE IN MY LINE OF WORK. I GET IT. BUT IF THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT IT AND THE MESSAGE IS SENT TO THE PERSON WHO WANTS TO COME HERE,
MAYBE THAT'S ENOUGH TO SAY MAYBE YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE >> IT IS A FAIRLY STANDARDIZED
COMMERCIAL APPLICATION PROCESS >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: IT'S VERY INTIMIDATING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE END GAME HERE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IF I WERE --
>> BOARD MEMBER: LET'S MOVE ON >> HAS THERE BEEN ANY COMMUNICATION AT ALL WITH THAT
GROUP SINCE THE MEETING? >> SO I'LL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE BUT THEN FOR DISCUSSION OF THE MATTER WE SHOULD HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM. I DON'T HAVE A PROPOSAL TO THE GROUP. THEY'RE PROVIDING
SIMILAR REPORTS TO MULTIPLE AIRPORTS. >> BOARD MEMBER: HAS THERE BEEN
ANY COMMUNICATION AT ALL SINCE THAT PROPOSAL? YES OR NO >> YES. THEY ASKED ME WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE IF THEY MOVED FORWARD. I PROVIDED THE MINIMAL STANDARDS AND HE TOLD ME THEY'RE
LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF OTHER AIRPORTS. >> BOARD MEMBER: I THINK IF YOU PUT IT OUT THERE IN PLAIN LANGUAGE IT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL. THAT WAS GOING AGAINST PUBLIC FEELINGS. THIS IS GOING AGAINST FEDERAL LAW. RIGHT. PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE COME IN AND SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW IT. THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN'T DO. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T SHUT IT DOWN. YOU CAN CLOSE THE AIRPORT OR MAKE IT A PRIVATE AIRPORT AND
IT'S OVER WITH BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET ANY FUNDING. >> BOARD MEMBER: DID WE HAVE
ANYMORE PUBLIC COMMENTS? LET'S LIMIT THIS-- >> SHOULD BE LIMITED TO THREE
MINUTES. YUMA'S' I DIDN'T MENTION IT AT THE FRONT END. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JOHN EDWARD.
I LIVE IN CARLTON DUNES. I DIDN'T KNOW RICK WAS GOING TO BE HERE. I'M AN ORIGINAL OWNER.
THAT MEANS 20 YEARS. I LIVE ON THE FLIGHT PATH. I SAW THE ATTACHED LINK AND ON THE THIRD SLIDE I SAW THE MILITARY AIRCRAFT. I'M THINKING WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.
>> CHAIRMAN: WELL THEY'RE NOT COMING HERE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD. HERE IS THE WAY IT WORKS IN CARLTON DUNE. THERE'S BIG FOOTBALL WEEKS, AN OCCASIONAL SUPER BOWL, THE CAR SHOW ONCE A YEAR. I UNDERSTAND WHEN JETS COME. IT IS KIND OF NEAT. BUT IT'S ALSO INFREQUENT. SO, WHEN I SAW THE MILITARY STUFF I THOUGHT WHERE RICK WENT HE DID A SUPER JOB. I HAVE NO PROBLEM AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH A FLIGHT SCHOOL IF YOU WANT TO LEARN TO FLY A CESSNA AND GO INTO THE BUSINESS. BUT THIS IDEA OF TUT -- PUTTING IT ON A RESIDENTIAL BARRIER ISLAND, A RESIDENTIAL BARRIER ISLAND, A COMMERCIAL OR WARFARE TRAINING GROUND IS JUST NOT GOING TO FLY. I WILL PUT UP AS MUCH AS I CAN TO FIGHT IT. NEXT, OUR ISLAND IS BOOMING. IN FIVE YEARS IT'S GOING BE TOTALLY BUILT OUT. TOTALLY BUILT OUT. SO WHAT ARE WE LEFT WITH IN FIVE YEARS? A CHARACTER OF THE ISLAND. I BELIEVE WE CAN DO THAT. TREE COVERED LARGELY IT'S GOING TO BE NICE STILL. WE'RE GOING TO BE PROUD TO SAY IT'S WHERE WE LIVE.
WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF THE ISLAND. AND TO DO THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP THINGS NICE. I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP THINGS QUAINT. I THINK WE KEEP THINGS SIMPLE AND SMALL. I
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BELIEVE THAT ALSO APPLIES IN THE AREA OF FLIGHT TRAINING PROGRAMS. NICE, QUAINT, SMALL.I'M GOING SUM IT UP. I WAS HERE WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THE AUTO SENT RICK COMMUNITY. GOD BLESS ENTREPRENEURS FEM WAS ONE. I UNDERSTAND THE RISK. I UNDERSTAND THE REWARDS. IT IS A FANTASTIC COUNTRY. BUT DOG GONE IT, PLEASE TAKE IT TO THE WEST OF I-95 AND MAKE YOUR MILLION DOLLARS OR OUR 10 MILLION OR 100 MILLION. THE REST IS GOING BE TAKEN UP WITH NICE RESIDENTIAL
COMMUNITIES. I'M DONE FOLKS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU.
ANYMORE? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: CONNIE DICKENS 132 SOUTH 15TH STREET.
I WASN'T PLANNING TO SPEAK TONIGHT BECAUSE I KNEW THIS WASN'T ON THE AGENDA BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I DID LOOK AT THE FAA REGULATIONS, THE COMPLIANCE AND THE ASSURANCES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND IT DOES SAY IN THERE THAT YOU KNOW WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. SO THOSE ARE PART OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DO SAY, YOU KNOW, LOCAL REGULATIONS, COMMUNITY WISHES, COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. SO, EVEN THOUGH IT IS, YOU KNOW, UNDER FAA JURISDICTION, IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND THERE ARE
WAYS TO GET AROUND THAT, IF WE WANT TO. >> AGAIN I'D LOVE TO SPEND TIME WITH YOU AND GO INTO THAT IN DETAIL. ON THE SURFACE IT MAY SEEM THAT EASY BUT I ASSURE YOU,
IT'S COMPLEX. >> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN: ANYONE?
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: HI. I'M BEV EYEING ERT. ATTACHED TO THAT ONE. I LIVE IN CARLTON DUNES.
JUST HEARD ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT. I LOVE THIS PLACE. I LOVE LIVING HERE. THIS REMINDS ME OF THE OUGHT OH CENTRIC PARK. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING INUNDATED AND BOMBARDED BECAUSE IT IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. BUT THIS IS SO INAPPROPRIATE. A RACE TRACK WAS INAPPROPRIATE.
THIS IS INAPPROPRIATE. THIS DOES NOT BELONG ON A SMALL, RESIDENTIAL BARRIER ISLAND. I WOULD LIKE ANYBODY TO FIND ONE ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY THAT WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO THIS SCALE. THERE CANNOT BE ANYTHING. IT'S JUST NONSENSE ACAL AND I KNOW I GET TIRED OF HAVING TO FIGHT ALL THE TIME THE RIDICULOUS PROPOSALS THAT COME OUT. SO I AM COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO THIS IN EVERY DAY WAY. I HOPE IF IT COMES TO THE POINT WHERE YOU WILL HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS,
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD DO? >> CHAIRMAN: WE DON'T EVEN KNOW
IF THEY'LL COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: IF THEY EVER DID COME BACK BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENED WOULD YOU DO PUBLIC HEARINGS WITHIN THIS ROOM
>> I CAN EXPLAIN THAT PROCESS. ANY COMMERCIAL OPERATOR AND OR NAUTICAL SERVICE PROVIDER WOULD BRING A COMMERCIAL APPLICATION. ULTIMATELY MOST OPERATORS WOULD NEED TO HAVE PROBABLY A GROUND LEASE OR THEY'RE RENTING SPACE FROM THE CITY. MOST OF THOSE LEGAL TRANSACTIONS MOVE FROM THE AAC TO THE CITY COMMISSION. SO, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT GO TO THE COMMISSION. SO IT'S FIRST STOP MOST LIKELY COMING WITH A GROUND LEASE REQUEST BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE LOOKING TO BUILD HANGARS. THAT WOULD STOP HERE AND IT IS A PUBLIC COMMENT THIS GROUP MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION. THEN THAT WOULD MOST LIKELY GO TO THE COMMISSION
FOR ACTION. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: AS RESIDENTS WHO WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THIS,
WHAT CAN WE DO OR SHOULD WE DO AT THIS POINT? >> AT THIS POINT, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING TO GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION OR DETAILS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A PROPOSAL. I MEAN,
THEY'RE LOOKING AT MULTIPLE AIRPORTS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SO WAIT UNTIL
A PROPOSAL COMES FORTH >> I THINK THAT'S THE POINT WHICH THEY'LL COME BACK AND SAY WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE LOOKING AT LOCATIONS AND HERE WHAT'S WE'RE PROPOSING.
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: AND HOW WILL WE AS THE PUBLIC KNOW WHEN THAT PROPOSAL IS IN PLACE? IT WILL BE
ON THE AGENDA? >> YOU BET. SO I DO PROVIDE A CURRENCY TO -- COURTESY TO TENANTS WHERE I SEND A PACKET A WEEK PRIOR. BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE WE PUBLISH THIS PACKET A WEEK PRIOR TO EVERY MEETING. ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE THERE IS A PACKET.
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: IT WOULD BE A WEEK IN ADVANCE? >> CHAIRMAN: IT WOULD ALSO BE ON THE CITY COMMISSION AGENDA ONCE IT GETS THROUGH US. BECAUSE I GUESS I CAN'T EMPHASIZE THIS
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ENOUGH. WE LOOK AFTER THE AIRPORT. AND WE'RE PART OF THE COMMUNITY BUT OUR PRIMARY IS THE AIRPORT. EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT NOT LIKE WHAT IT DOES TO THE COMMUNITY, AIRPORT. AND THENTHE CITY COMMISSION TAKES OVER FOR THE COMMUNITY. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I JUST WANTED TO -- I MEAN, WHEN THE PUBLIC -- AND I GUESS DON'T WORRY UNTIL THE PROPOSAL COMES OUT. WHY GO CRAZY OVER SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT EVEN HAPPEN. BUT IF IT DOES COME OUT, I MEAN, I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF RESPONSE JUST LIKE YOU DID WITH THE OUGHT OH CENTRIC PARK.
>> CHAIRMAN: WE DID HAVE A LOT OF RESPONSE AT THE LAST MEETING. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M STARTING
TO TALK TO PEOPLE JUST TO MAKE THEM AWARE. >> YOU MAY BE MAKING PEOPLE AWARE OF SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN OR MIGHT BE MAKING PEOPLE AWARE OF A CONCEPTUAL PRESENTATION THAT MAY NOT COME BACK IN A HARD PROPOSAL OR BUSINESS LIFE.
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SO DON'T GET WORKED UP UNTIL THE PROPOSAL HAPPENS IF IT HAPPENS.
>> BOARD MEMBER: THEY MAY COME BACK AND SAY WE WANT TO RENT HANGAR B
>> AN AGENCY COMMERCIAL OPERATION AT THE AIRPORT DOES NEED TO PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION THEY PROVIDED HERE. ALL HEY HAVE TO DO IS WALK IN WITH THE APPLICATION AND HAND IT TO THE CITY WITH A PROPOSAL AND LEASE AGREEMENT AND PROCESS THAT. THAT'S A PRELIMINARY PRESENTATION THEY'VE BEEN GIVING TO MULTIPLE AIRPORTS. SO THAT'S NOT PART OF THE FORMAL PROCESS.
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SO WE'RE NOT EVEN AT STEP ONE >> WE'RE NOT.
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GREAT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. >> CHAIRMAN: IS THAT THE LAST PERSON? ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. ALL RIGHT. OLD
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BUSINESS. FINANCIALS. >> I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD ON THE FINANCIALS. HOWEVER I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PAULINE OUR TREAURER. THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THE AUDIT PROCESS AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE FUND BALANCE FOR THE AIRPORT. THIS IS GOOD NEWS. SO, I'VE GOT A PRELIMINARY NUMBER FOR EXISTING FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF FISCAL YEAR. IT'S NOT AUDITED.
THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THAT NOW. AND IT'S WELL ABOVE WHAT WE WERE PROJECTING BECAUSE WE WERE FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE WHEN WE ENDED THE FISCAL YEAR LAST YEAR. I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE CHANGES WHY IT'S DIFFERENT. TODAY THE PRELIMINARY FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF LAST FISCAL YEAR WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $640,000. SO, SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES FROM OUR PROJECTION. WE WERE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS AROUND $200,000 WAS THE FUND BALANCE. ONE THING THAT I DIDN'T PROVIDE AND PAULINE WITH THE CITY AS WELL, HURRICANE MATTHEW HAD AN EXPENDITURE AND FEMA REIMBURSEMENT OF $200,000 THAT WAS COMING BACK THO THE AIRPORT.
WE COMPLETED A ROOFING PROJECT FOLLOWING HURRICANE MATTHEW AND I MISSED THAT PROJECTION. SO THAT IT WAS A $200,000 BOGEY WE DIDN'T SEE COMING. SO THAT WAS IN OUR BENEFIT. A FEW THINGS THAT CHANGED. I THINK THAT CERTAINLY MADE A DIFFERENCE AT THE END OF THE YEAR. WE WERE BUDGETING FOR THE ANTICIPATED EXPENSE OF PROPERTY TAXES FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS WE PAID FOR THE AIRPORT. THEY WERE BOOKED IN LIABILITIES BUT NOT EXPENSED. SO THAT'S $58,000. ADDITIONAL $30,000 FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR WE WOULD HAVE PAID PROPERTY TAXES. SO, WHEN THAT ACQUISITION -- DECISION CAME OUT WE REMOVED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EXPENDITURE CENTER THE AIRPORT.
WE HAD ABOUT $14,000 IN FUNDING THAT CAME THAT WAS UNANTICIPATED IN THAT PROJECTION FOR I THOUGHT MIGHT BE THIS YEAR BUT IT WAS FOR THE PLACEMENT OF THE DREDGE MATERIAL AT THE AIRPORT. THAT IS SUBSTANTIAL FUNDING THAT CAME BACK THERE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS ALSO GREAT FOR THE AIRPORT IS WORKING WELL IS WE HAD A GOOD AMOUNT OF REVENUE OVER EXPENDITURE. OUR EXPENSES WHEN I GAVE YOU THAT PROJECTION I WAS VERY CONSERVATIVE IN EXPENSES. AND REVENUE JUST AT WHAT OUR BUDGETED REVENUE AMOUNT WAS. OUR REVENUE IN MANY CASES EXCEEDED THE BUDGET AMOUNT. SO THAT ACTUALLY WORKED IN OUR FAVOR. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WENT BACK AND I MENTIONED THIS LAST YEAR. I LOOKED AT JUST KIND A SNAPSHOT OF PREVIOUS YEARS AND WHERE WE'RE AT NOW AND THE WHOLE 2016 ACTUALS. JUST ASSEN A INDICATOR, IF YOU TAKE THE GRANT REVENUE OUT IT WAS $730,000. LAST YEAR JUST OUT OF OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM REVENUE WAS SOMEWHERE ABOUT $890,000. SO, WE'VE MADE GOOD GROUND IN THINGS LIKE GROUND LEASES FOR AIR ANAUTICAL PURPOSE. WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO THE
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AIRPORT. SO, IT'S GREAT NEWS FOR US. WE'RE BEYOND WHAT THE CONSERVATIVE PROJECTIONS WEREEARLY ON. WE'RE MOVING IN THE DIRECTION. >> CHAIRMAN: GOOD. GREAT.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE BUDGET? NEW BUSINESS. IS THIS
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MR. GILSON? >> IT IS. THIS IS A DRAFT LEASE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING FOR QUITE SOMETIME. THE LAST MEETING WE LOOKED AT THREE ROW HANGARS THAT ARE PART OF A APPLICATION. THE CITY'S DESIGN AND REVIEW PROCESS. HE HAS SUBMITTED THOSE FOR CONSIDERATION. THAT PROCESS IS NOT COMPLETE. NORMALLY I WAIT UNTIL WE GET APPROVAL BEFORE WE BRING YOU THE DRAFT LEASE BUT WE'RE TRYING TO HELP KEEP HIM MOVING ALONG. THEY ARE ANXIOUS TO DEVELOP. SO I BROUGHT A DRAFT LEASE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I'M GOING TALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE KEY COMPONENTS REAL QUICK. AT THE ONSET IF YOU ARE LOOKING IN THE I THINK THE EASIEST DESCRIPTION OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS IF I FLIP TO ONE OF THE EXHIBITS
WHICH IS THE PARCEL AREA. >> BOARD MEMBER: THIS IS STAGE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
>> YEAH. THE WAY THIS LEASE IS STRUCTURED IS IT'S ACTUALLY FOR BOTH PARCELS. PHASE I IS THE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE SEEN IN HERE. MR. GILTS HAS DEPENDING ON HOW WELL THAT PENCILS FOR THEM WILL THEY BUILD THE HANGARS IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL THEY WOULD LIKE TO QUICKLY MOVE TO PHASE II AND PERHAPS BUILD ADDITIONAL UNITS. ASKING HOW MANY UNITS COULD BE BUILT ON THE PHASE II PARCEL. IF THEY WERE BUILDING ROW HANGARS THEY'VE SKETCHED A FEW PLANS. 14, 15 UNITS, MAYBE A FEW MORE. THAT COULD BE INFLUENCED BY STORM WATER. SO I SAY THERE COULD BE MORE IF THEY PIPED THE STORM WATER OFF SITE TO ANOTHER PARCEL. THE WAY THIS LEASE IS STRUCTURED WITH WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED HERE THEY WOULD LEASE BOTH PARTICLESES. PHASE I ONCE APPROVED BY TRC THEY PULLED THEIR BUILDING PERMITS AND FILED WITH THE FAA AND THEY WOULD BUILD PHASE I. PHASE II THEY'RE PAYING LEASE FEE ON THE PARCEL IMMEDIATELY AND THEY HAVE I THINK WE PUT IN THERE 15 MONTHS TO GIVE US A NOTICE OF INTENT TO PROCEED WITH CONSTRUCTION AND A DESIGN SUBMITTAL FOR PHASE II.
IF THEY DON'T, OR THEY GIVE US A LETTER STATING THEY HAVE NO DESIRE TO MOVE FORWARD, THAT PARCEL WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE LEASE. SO, IT'S ALLOWING THEM TO SIMPLY THEN JUST -- IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT THE FBO HAS. IN THEIR LEASE THEY HAVE THEIR PARCEL. IF THEY DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DEVELOPMENT HANGARS THEY SIMPLY PROVIDE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE TO TRC AND MOVE FORWARD. THEY'RE PAYING THE LEASE FEE ON THIS IMMEDIATELY.
AND THEN INSIDE THE TIMEFRAME IT GIVES THEM THAT 15 MONTHS TO MOVE FORWARD OR TELL US THEY DON'T WANT TO. IF THEY DON'T MOVE FORWARD AT THE END OF THAT TIMEFRAME WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE THE PARCEL BACK. IF THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH IT WE SAY THE PARCEL IS OURS AND WE MAY HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE INTERESTED IN IT AND WE ALLOW SOMEBODY ELSE TO ENTER A LEASE THERE. SO, THEIR INTEREST THERE IS OR WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO DO IS MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LEASE AND HAVE ACCESS TO THAT AND PUT THE DESIGN LOGISTICALLY THE WAY THAT WILL WORK IS SINCE THE LEAST WOULD BE IN PLACE YOU WOULD SEE THE DESIGN FOR PHASE II JUST LIKE YOU SAW PHASE I. IT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU AND GO BACK TO TRC. THEY STILL HAVE TO ROOT IT THROUGH ALL THE CITY APPROVALS.
THE TERMS OF THE LEASE ARE FAIRLY STANDARD. USING OUR AIR ANAUTICAL RATE. THAT WAS APPRAISED IN 2018. THE TERM OF THE LEASE IS INITIAL 20 YEAR TERM AND HAS TWO 10-YEAR OPTIONS. THAT LAST TEN YEAR OPTION WAS SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME. THAT GETS YOU OUT TO 40 YEARS WHERE IT SAYS IT'S AVAILABLE. IF THEY EXECUTE THE LEASE TERMS CAN BE RENEGOTIATED. WE PICKED THAT UP FROM KIND OF A BEST PRACTICE IN MIAMI. SOME OF THE AIRPORTS ARE GETTING INTO TERMS INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING THE HANGAR AT THAT POINT AND THEY HAVE VALUE FOR THE ADDITIONAL TEN YEARS. YOU MAY NEGOTIATE A RATE OF WE'RE TAKING THE HANGAR AND THEY'VE BEEN USING THE HANGAR AND THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINING IT SO THERE IS NEXTBILITY THERE. SOME OF THESE AS I CALLED OUT IN NOTES THESE EXHIBITS BEFORE WE GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION WOULD BE REPLACED. THIS WILL BE REPLACED BY A LEGAL SURVEY THAT WILL BE PLACED IN THERE.
QUESTIONS? >> BOARD MEMBER: WHY 15 MONTHS? WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS
STANDRD IN A LESION OF THIS TYPE -- LEASE OF THIS TYPE? >> THERE'S NOT A STANDARD TIMELINE. I THINK THE REASON IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY IT GIVES THEM 15 MONTHS TO CONSTRUCT PHASE I. I WAS TRYING TO ALLOW THEM THE TIMELINE TO GET INTO PHASE I AND MAYBE ENTER PHASE II. BECAUSE THEY'RE LEASING THIS, I THINK YOU WOULD SEE THEY WOULD MAKE THAT PARCEL -- THAT PARCEL IS LARGE. SO THE SMALLER PARCEL IS ONLY LIKE $2,300 A YEAR. THAT LARGE
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PARCEL IS SOMEWHERE AROUND $15,000 YEAR. SO I THINK YOU WOULD SEE THEM MAKING THAT DECISION QUICK. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO LEASE GROUND AND HOLD ON IT. BUT THE SECONDPART OF YOUR QUESTION, DID I MISS IT? >> BOARD MEMBER: NO THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING IT WOULD TAKE THEM UP TO 15 MONTHS FOR PHASE I DEVELOPMENT BUILD-OUT AND THEN
START RIGHT AWAY-- >> THE ASSUMPTION WAS THEY'LL PROBABLY BE BUSY WITH GETTING THE THREE HANGARS FRAMED AND BUILT AND THE DESIGN PHASE DOES TAKE A BIT OF TYPE. THERE'S GEO TECH WORK AND LOOKING AT THE GROUND AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. DUE DILIGENCE. IT'S NOT A QUICK
PROCESS. >> BOARD MEMBER: I WASN'T HERE LAST WEEK. APOLOGIZED FOR IT.
THE DEVELOPMENT, IT WAS DISCUSSED IT WOULD STAY AT THE 16 FOOT DOOR, TALL DOOR
>> YES, MA'AM. >> BOARD MEMBER: IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE MINUTES
>> YEAH. SO I PASSED THAT BACK TO THEM AND THEY SUBMITTED IT TO TRC WITH A 16 FOOT DOOR. YES,
MA'AM. AND -- I'M SORRY GO AHEAD. >> BOARD MEMBER: WHAT IS THE ECONOMIC DOWNSIDE TO THE AIRPORT GOING A I HEAD WITH THIS? DO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR TAXIWAYS,
DRAINAGE, DO WE INCURRED ANY OF THAT >> NO. THE AIRPORT HASN'T OFFERED ANY FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. AIRPORTS CAN DO THAT. THIS IS IN A REASONABLY ATTRACTIVE LOCATION. IT'S CLOSE TO UTILITIES. IT'S GOT IMMEDIATE TAXIWAY ACCESS.
THE DEVELOPER WILL BE BEARING THE COST OF ALL UTILITIES TO INCLUDE WATER, SEWER, ELECTRICAL. IN THE FIRST THREE HANGAR THEY'RE BUILDING TO CONNECT TO THE TAXI LANE. THE AIRPORT HAS OFFERED NO ASSISTANCE FINANCIALLY TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION FOR THEM
>> BOARD MEMBER: WHEN THEY REIM REIMBURSE US FOR OUR
ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT REVIEW OF THINGS? >> NO.
>> BOARD MEMBER: SO THERE IS A COST. >> WELL SO WE DID REVISE OUR ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS TO BE HONEST. THAT WASN'T JUST FOR THEM. THERE WAS A NUMBER OF OTHER FOLKS LOOKING AT THE AIRPORT AND THERE WERE THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CHALLENGING FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE WE MADE THEM BETTER.
>> BOARD MEMBER: HAVE THEY EXPRESSED AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE HANGARS, THE NATURE OF THE AVIATION BUSINESS, THE COMMERCIAL OPERATING BUSINESS?
>> WHAT THEY'RE AUTHORIZED INSIDE THIS LEASE IS COMMERCIAL HANGAR STORAGE. AND THAT'S BY THE FAA DEFINED AS AIR ANAUTICAL SERVICE. THESE ARE FOR AERONAUTICAL STORAGE. SO, AIRCRAFT STORAGE. THEN YOU ARE PROHIBITED INSIDE THOSE HANGARS FROM USING THEM FOR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY. LIKE OUR KEY HANGARS YOU ARE NOT GOING TO RUN A BUSINESS OUT OF THEM. YOU WILL
END UP WITH A PRIVATE ENTITY RENTING THAT AIRCRAFT STORAGE. >> BOARD MEMBER: DO YOU APPLY THE STANDARDS, THE VARIOUS STANDARDS OF WHAT WOULD PREVENT A COMMERCIAL OPERATION? DO YOU
GO THROUGH AND APPLY THOSE TESTS TO EACH OF THESE >> I DO. THERE IS A LOT OF STRONG LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT'S REQUIRING THEM TO ADHERE TO MINIMUM STANDARDS. AND MINIMUM STANDARDS ARE PRETTY REASONABLE. FOR HANGAR STORAGE IT'S NOT THAT IN DEPTH. THERE'S SOME INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS AND BASIC ITEMS AND SOME OF THAT BLEEDS OVER TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS WHERE IT APPLIES. SO, YEAH YOU BET. OF COURSE. THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH AN APPLICATION YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT AND THE FIRST
THING YOU DO IS SEND THEM -- >> BOARD MEMBER: I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO GO A LOT
HIGHER THAN 16 FEET ON A BULK HANGAR >> THE 16 FEET IS DRIVEN BY THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. YEP. YOU ARE LIMITED ALSO BASED ON THE TAXI LANE THAT'S OUT FRONT OF THAT HANGAR. I THINK YOU ARE 49 FEET OR LESS THAN WHAT IS ANTICIPATED TO OPERATE ON THE
TAXI LANE. >> BOARD MEMBER: OKAY. THANK YOU.
>> BOARD MEMBER: I FORGET. ON THE PHASE II DEVELOPMENT, DID THEY HAVE ANY KIND OF IDEA WHAT
THEY MIGHT PROPOSE IN THE AREA LIKE HANGARS? >> INITIALLY WHEN WE FIRST -- WHEN THEY FIRST PUT THEIR APPLICATION IN THEY GAVE US A CONSENSUS DESIGN FOR BOTH PARCELS. THEY WERE THINKING OF A BULK HANGAR AND ROW HANGARS. IN RECENT CONVERSATIONS I THINK THEY'VE ANTICIPATED THEIR BEST MARKET IS PROBABLY WHERE THE DEMAND IS KNOWN WHICH IS THE ROW HANGARS, RIGHT. AN FBOS USUALLY PROVIDE BULK HANGARS TO BE MOVING AIRPLANES IN AND OUT.
FOR SOMEBODY TRYING TO PROVIDE AIRCRAFT STORAGE A SINGLE UNIT HANGAR IS EASIEST TO MANAGE.
BASED ON MY CONVERSATIONS I ANTICIPATE THAT WILL BE ROW HANGARS. THE EARLY PLAN HAD 14 OR 15 UNITS BUT ALSO SHOW THEY'D WERE ACCOMMODATING STORM WATER ON THE SITE. IF THEY PIPE THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE THEY MIGHT HAVE SPACE TO PUT A FEW MORE UNITS IN THERE. IT'S BEEN SOME TIME.
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>> BOARD MEMBER: DOES PHASE II HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE 2020 HANGAR. WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THAT NEXT YEAR I GUESS. THE PHASE II AREA, WOULD THAT -- DID WE EVER LOOK AT THAT AS PART OF
THE CITY HANGAR? >> WE HAVE ANTICIPATED PUTTING HANGARS THERE. BASED ON OUR EARLY PLANNING I THINK THE FIRST PLACE YOU SEE US PUTTING T HANGARS IS EAST OF THE EXISTING HANGARS. THAT WAS PART OF THE CONCEPT OF GETTING ALL THAT AREA CLEARED. BECAUSE I THINK YOU CAN EXTEND THOSE TAXI LANES TO BE USED PUTTING TWO ROWS OF HANGARS. THEN YOU GOT THE MCGILL HANGAR STILL IN EXISTENCE. AFTER THAT YOU ARE RIGHT, THE LP SHOWS A NUMBER OF OPTIONS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BUILD HANGARS. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BULK HANGARS WITH IT, I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF OPTIONS. THAT'S ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE CORPORATE HANGARS.
>> BOARD MEMBER: OKAY. >> OTHER QUESTIONS? >> BOARD MEMBER: I THINK WHAT HE IS LOOKING FOR IS A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE LEASE BASED ON OUR THINKING THAT IT
WOULD GO THROUGH TRC >> I THOUGHT MAYBE WE COULD -- THE MOTION MIGHT MAKE SENSE IF YOU DO GIVE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL CONTINGENT UPON TRC APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN.
NORMALLY I WOULD BRING THE APPROVAL TO YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE IT BEFORE WE RECOMMEND THE LEASE. BUT LIKE I SAID WE'RE TRYING TO HELP KEEP THEM MOVING ALONG. MAYBE IF IT'S CONTINGENT UPON THE APPROVAL OF TRC. I THINK IT'S IN THE UPCOMING TRC MEETING COMING UP PRETTY SOON.
>> BOARD MEMBER: SOMETIME THIS MONTH? >> I BELIEVE SO.
>> BOARD MEMBER: I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. AGAIN, I MISSED THE PRESENTATION. WE HAVE WHAT 50 OR 60 PEOPLE ON WAIT LIST FOR HANGAR SPACE. THIS PART OF GOING FORWARD THAT PEOPLE WOULD
BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THIS >> I DO ANTICIPATE -- AND OUR WAITING LIST IS PUBLIC RECORD BUT I DO ANTICIPATE THIS WILL OFF-SET SOME OF THE DEMAND. I'VE BEEN WATCHING THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AND I THINK THAT'S CONSIDERATION FOR US WHEN WE MAKE THE DECISION OF HOW MANY T HANGARS WE MIGHT BUILD AND HOW MANY BULK HANGARS WE MIGHT BUILD. WE SHOULD BE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR WILL DO AS WELL. WHO IS REAL ON THE LIST AND WHO IS NOT.
WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION THERE. WHEN WE START THAT DESIGN PROCESS FOR T HANGARS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A BUSINESS DISCUSSION WITH THE GROUP AND SAY T HANGARS, BULK HANGAR, WHAT'S THE MIX. YOU KNOW, WITH GOOD DATA MAKE A GOOD DECISION.
>> BOARD MEMBER: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> I ANTICIPATE [INAUDIBLE] TO
BE HONEST. FOR PEOPLE CHOMPING AT THE BIT. >> BOARD MEMBER: ANYBODY ELSE? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO, I GUESS I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE LEASE PENDING APPROVAL BY
THE TRC >> I THINK THAT'S -- >> BOARD MEMBER: PENDING
APPROVAL BY THE TRC THAT THE AC GO FORWARD. >> BOARD MEMBER: IF THAT'S A
MOTION, I'LL SECOND IT. >> BOARD MEMBER: IT WAS A BADLY WORDED MOTION, BUT YES.
>> CHAIRMAN: EVERYBODY IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE LEASE. MOTIONS CARRIED. OKAY.
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6.2 BY THE CHARTER EACH YEAR WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SELECT A CHAIRPERSON AND A VICE CHAIR PERSON FOR THE UPCOMING CALENDAR YEAR. WE'VE GOT JANUARY COMING UP AND I WANT TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND LET YOU HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHO MIGHT SERVE AS CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. KENT IS NOT HERE. HE WROTE ME AND SAID PLEASE DON'T [LAUGHTER]EVERYONE IS LOOKING IN ONE DIRECTION >> DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION
>> YES >> I MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE DAVE AUSTIN AS CHAIRMAN
>> I'LL SECOND THAT >> AND WE NEED A VICE CHAIR >> BOARD MEMBER: I'M NOMINATE
CHUCK COLCORD FOR VICE CHAIR FOR 2020. >> BOARD MEMBER: I'LL SECOND IT.
YOU GUYS ARE CHANGING HATS AREN'T YOU? [LAUGHTER] SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DAVE TO BE CHAIR, CHUCK TO BE VICE CHAIR. THEN
CAN I GET A VOTE OF AYES DOWN THE WAY HERE. >> BOARD MEMBER: I DON'T KNOW IF
I CAN VOTE FOR MYSELF. >> BOARD MEMBER: AYE. >> BOARD MEMBER: AYE
>> BOARD MEMBER: I'M IN FAVOR. >> BOARD MEMBER: ME TOO. >> THANK YOU.
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>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. KENT DID MAKE A COMMENT WHEN I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE WHEN THEY NOMINATED ME THAT HIS COMMENT WAS A SAILING CLUB VISIT FOR A FEW YEARS. [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]
THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN: SO THAT WAS EASY. THANKS, EVERYBODY. IT'S BEEN A
PLEASURE SERVING. >> BOARD MEMBER: THANKS FOR DOING IT. YOU DID A NICE JOB.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU ARE QUITTING. >> CHAIRMAN: WELL I TOLD THE THREE STOOGES THING WHERE, YOU KNOW, THREE STOOGES ARE STANDING THERE AND THEY WANT TO VOLUNTEER TWO STEP BACKWARDS AND THAT'S HOW I GOT MY JOB. BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WOULD DO IT. YOUR
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COMMENTS? >> JUST ONE OR TWO NOTES. THE RUNWAY 4 GPS PROCEDURE IS PUBLIC ON DECEMBER 10TH. I SENT OUT AN EMAIL TO PEOPLE. SOME FOLKS HAD REQUESTED IT. I TALKED TO PERSON -- THIRD PARTY PROVIDING DIGITAL MAPS AND THAT'S NOT DONE. I ASKED ABOUT A [INAUDIBLE] AND I TALKED FLIGHT PROCEDURES AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A PREROGATIVE TO ISSUE THE PROCEDURE UNTIL THE ADDITIONAL MAPS ARE UPLOAD BASED OFF THE PLATE. SO, BASED ON WHAT THE FOLKS TOLD ME THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A WEEK OR TWO DELAY TO GET THE MAPS UPLOADED AND SCOPED BEFORE THEY FELT COMFORTABLE. THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST GENERAL FEEDBACK AND DISCUSSION WITH THEM. YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEM -- AND THEY'VE BEEN THIS WAY THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS. THEY'RE HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROCEDURE. WHEN TRAFFIC PERMITS -- I THINK WHEN YOU, YOU WILL SEE IF YOU NEED THE PROCEDURE YOU WILL GET A COMMENT THERE MAY BE DELAYED FROM TIME TO TIME. IF YOU ARE DOING PRACTICE APPROACHES WITH IT THEY MAY ACCOMMODATE YOU ONE TIME AND YOU MAY GET THEM ASKING YOU AFTER THAT THAT MIGHT BE YOUR ONE SHOT AT IT. A LITTLE DELAY GETTING IT UP AND RUNNING. BUT THEY'RE WORKING QUICKLY TO GET THEIR MAPS UPLOADED AND GET
EVERYTHING MOVING. >> CHAIRMAN: FOR YOU GUYS THAT ARE MORE EXPERIENCED PILOTS THAN ME, IS THAT UNUSUAL FOR THEM TO -- I MEAN, ALL FLIGHT AND JEFFERSON AND THOSE PROCEDURES
ARE IN THERE. >> BOARD MEMBER: THEY DO DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY NOW. THE FAA 5010
AND ALL THAT STUFF IS UPLOADED >> THEY WAY THEY EXPLAINED IT TO ME. FULL DISCLOSURE THERE IS A LOT OF PROCEDURAL CHANGES ONGOING. AND DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SUBMIT IT TO THIS PARTY THAT DOES THE DIGITAL MAPS -- BECAUSE IT IS A NEW PROCEDURE THEY PULLED THE PROCEDURE UP ON THE SCOPE AND IT SHOWS THEM UPLOADING ALL THE FIXES. DEPENDING HOW MANY PROCEDURAL FIXES ARE TAKING PLACE SOMETIMES IT IS A BACKLOG. PART OF THE ISSUE IS IT IS A BRAND-NEW PROCEDURE. SO, THEY'RE CREATING A NEW DIGITAL MAP. IT SOUNDS LIKE DEPENDING ON HOW MANY OTHER CHANGES ARE ONGOING IT'S IN A CUE WITH ALL THOSE CHANGES BEING MADE.
>> BOARD MEMBER: DON'T THEY THE CONTROLLERS HAVE TO BE TRAINED IN IT ALSO. ?
>> SO THIS IS THE -- THE PROCEDURE ITSELF IS COORDINATED SOMETHING WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FIRST DEVELOP THE PROCEDURE IT GOES TO THEIR -- DAVE PROBABLY KNOWS THIS BETTER. THEY'VE GOT A TRAINING PROCEDURE OFFICE. THEN EVERY TIME THE PROCEDURE IS DRAFTED AND THERE ARE CHANGES TO IT, A COURTESY COPY IS SENT TO THE CONTROLLING AGENCY SO THEY CAN SEE IT. THEY'VE GOT A LOT
OF PROCEDURAL STUFF GOING ON. >> BOARD MEMBER: IT'S USUALLY A BRIEFING THEY GET. HERE IT IS.
THEY LOOK AT IT, LEARN IT. BUT THERE USE TO BE CHARTING DATES. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANYMORE. EVERYTHING WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE ON THAT DAY. SO, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS GOT
DROPPED >> IN MY DAY WE DIDN'T UPLOAD MAPS ON IT AND THEY WOULD COME THROUGH WITH NEW FLIPS. YOU GIVE ME FLIPS OUT THERE AND HEY HERE IT IS. ROCK AND ROLL.
>> BOARD MEMBER: EVERYTHING USED TO BE COORDINATED SO CHANGES WOULD BE A TOTAL MAP CHANGE.
EVERYTHING WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE EXACTLY AT THE SAME TIME. >> SAME WAY. THIS IS PROJECTED
FOR PUBLICATION. >> BOARD MEMBER: PRETTY STRANGE. >> BOARD MEMBER: DOES APPROACH CONTROL KEEP A LOG OF HOW MANY TIMES THE APPROACH -- THE DIFFERENT APPROACHES HAVE BEEN
USED? >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
>> BOARD MEMBER: BECAUSE HOW DO WE SATISFY THIS NEW MIRACLE DEMAND -- NUMERICAL DEMAND TO GET AN APPROACH LIGHT SYSTEM ON THAT RUNWAY WHICH WOULD DROP OUR MINIMUMS DOWN EVEN LOWER.
THAT'S SOMETHING LIKE-- >> GOOD QUESTION. FAA GUIDANCE AS TO WHEN YOU ARE ELIGIBLE FOR FEDERAL FUNDING. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I'LL GET YOU AN ANSWER.
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>> BOARD MEMBER: JUST CURIOUS. BECAUSE WE COULD DO THIS ALL DAY LONG YOU KNOW.
>> I'LL GET IT. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. >> BOARD MEMBER: I DON'T THINK
WE NEED TO BRING A FLIGHT SCHOOL IN TO DO IT EITHER. >> OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAD.
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>> CHAIRMAN: OKAY. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS, REPORTS? TOM? >> BOARD MEMBER: TO PIGGYBACK A LITTLE BIT WHAT DON STARTED OFF WITH. AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS -- AND I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO DEEP INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CONGESTION AT THE AIRPORT. AND IT BROUGHT UP AN ISSUE THAT WE HAD RUNNING A YOUNG EAGLES FLIGHT. WE HAD NINE AIRPLANES RUNNING FOR THREE HOURS. AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OF TIMES WHERE WE HAD PEOPLE ON THE GROUND WHO TRANSMITTED TO OTHER PEOPLE IN THE PATTERN, HEY, WOULD YOU EXTEND YOUR DIAL AND LET US GET OUT. YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYING TO RUN ALL THESE KIDS THROUGH. SO, DEPENDING ON HOW BIG THEY GET AND HOW MUCH TRAFFIC THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE IS -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD CAUSE ANY TRAFFIC CONTROL PROCEDURES TO BE IMPLEMENTED LOCALLY AT A NON-CONTROLLED AIRPORT. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN.
YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT -- YOU KNOW THERE WAS THAT TALK ABOUT THIS TOWER COMING IN. BUT WE CAN'T RELY ON THAT OR PLAN ON THAT. BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
THE OTHER THING IS YOU CAN'T CONTROL HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING UP HERE OUT OF CRAIG AND OTHER PLACES, YOU KNOW, TO COME IN AND GET IN THE PATTERN AND START, YOU KNOW, FLYING AROUND.
AND WE HAD SOME ATP PEOPLE IN THE PATTERN THAT DAY. SO, THERE IS CONGESTION, YOU KNOW, AND IT CAN BUILD UP PRETTY QUICK. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND THAT IF THEY COME BACK INITIALLY THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ONLY HAVING THREE AIRPLANES. WELL THREE AIRPLANES CAN PROBABLY NOT CAUSE THAT MUCH OF A PROBLEM. BUT AS IT BUILDS UP, LIKE THAT ONE DAY WE HAD NINE AIRPLANES GOING. A GUY WOULD TAKE OFF, GO UP THE INTERCOSTAL, AROUND FORT CLENCH, COME BACK AND TAKE A MID-FIELD CROSS WIND -- WE WERE USING NINE. COME DOWN, GET INTO THE DOWN WIND ON NINE AND COME IN. WE HAD A NICE PATTERN GOING. AND IT WAS ABOUT AS SMOOTH AS YOU COULD GET. BUT THERE WAS NINE AIRPLANES GOING. AND WE WERE REALLY GOING. WE DID 82 KIDS IN
3 HOURS. >> THERE ARE FOLKS WHO ARE AIRSPACE SPECIALISTS THAT SPECIALIZE IN THIS. I THINK IF YOU ARE TO SEE SOMETHING COME BACK, WOULD IT BE WISE FOR US -- THERE'S A GENTLEMAN WHO SITS ON THE STATE BOARD WITH FDOT AND IT'S COMPROMISED OF AIRPORT MANAGERS TO BRING IN AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE THIS TO LOOK AT THE AIRSPACE AND LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL FOR CONGESTION. MAYBE IT'S BASED ON PROJECTIONS FROM A GROUP LIKE THAT THAT WOULD SAY HEY WE HAVE THIS MANY AIRPLANES THIS YEAR, THAT MANY THAT YEAR, AND LOOK AT THOSE OPERATIONS AND GIVE US AN OPINION AND FEEDBACK. I THINK I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE WOULD LEAN ON AN EXPERT OF THAT SORT TO BRING THEM INTO A MIX TO HELP US IN THAT DISCUSSION.
>> BOARD MEMBER: BUT WE COULD BE ABLE TO CONTROL IF THE FLIGHT SCHOOL CAME HERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET AN ESTIMATE OR AN AIRSPACE CONGESTION PROJECTION BASED ON WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEIR OPERATIONS WAS GOING TO BE. BUT WHEN OTHER PEOPLE COME FROM OTHER PLACES THAT WOULD STILL BE
A WILDCARD >> THAT'S RIGHT. THERE'S NO CONTROL
>> WHAT THEY NORMALLY DO IS PULL YOUR MASTER PLAN AND MASTER PLAN IS PRETTY CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE IT SHOWS PROJECTED GROWTH OVER A 20 YEAR PERIOD. AND THEY'LL SAY LET'S ASSUME THE MASTER PLAN HAPPENS. BECAUSE I HAVE NOT SEEN A MASTER PLAN FOR AN AIRPORT THAT SAYS NO GROWTH IS ANTICIPATED. IT ALWAYS HATS A PERCENTAGE OF GROWTH. THEY'LL USE THAT ESTIMATE OR PROJECTION FOR GROWTH AND THEN TAKE THE PROJECTION FROM THIS AGENCY AND MAYBE PUT IT ON TOP OR MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT IT'S INSIDE THAT ESTIMATE FOR GROWTH DEPEND WHAT THE MASTER PLAN SAYS AND CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THERE'S SOME ANTICIPATION OF GROWTH IN THERE. SO THAT'S SOME OF THAT DATA THAT IS AVAILABLE FROM THE POOL. A LOT OF FOLKS WILL GO BACK TO THE MASTER PLAN AND LEAN
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ON THAT. BECAUSE WE GO THROUGH THE TECHNICAL PROCESS YOU ARE LOOKING AT FLEET MIX AND PROJECTION OF OPERATIONS. A LOT OF THAT IS INSIDE THE MASTER PLAN ALREADY.>> BOARD MEMBER: I'VE DONE RESEARCH ON SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS. WHERE THE AIRPORT MANAGEMENT HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH A COMPANY LIKE THIS TO DICTATE THAT THEY CAN ONLY HAVE THREE OR FIVE AIRCRAFT AIRBORNE AT ANY PARTICULAR TIME IN THE PATTERN DOING TOUCH AND GO, LOW APPROACHES AND STOPS OR WHATEVER. AND THEY WOULD NOT GO OVER THAT AMOUNT. AND IF THERE WAS FOR SOME REASON THAT THEY HAD MORE THAN THREE OR FIVE AIRCRAFT THEN THEY WOULD AGREE
TO GO FLY OVER THE OCEAN FOR A WHILE. >> I'VE SEEN SIMILAR STRUCTURES LIKE THAT. I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS JUST KIND OF ASKING AROUND FOR WHO'S GOT A BEST PRACTICE FOR THOSE T TYPES. I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT,
THERE'S GOOD BEST PRACTICES OUT THERE. >> BOARD MEMBER: THERE'S LEEWAY
THERE >> I THINK YOU ARE EASILY GETTING INTO THE SAFETY OF OPERATIONS PIECE WHERE THE AIRPORT HAS THE ABILITY TO ENSURE THAT AN OPERATION DOESN'T CREATE AN UP SAFE SITUATION. SO, THERE'S A GOOD CONNECTION THERE.
>> BOARD MEMBER: I THINK WE JUST TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE STANDARDS AND WHERE THEY FALL INTO THE STANDARDS AND APPLY THE STANDARDS TO THE PROPOSED OPERATION OR TO ANY OPERATION COMING IN. THAT'S WHAT THE STANDARD IS FOR THE AIRPORT. WE APPLY THEM AND WORK WITHIN WHAT THE ADVISORY COMMISSION IS AUTHORIZED TO DO. IF NECESSARY, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A
WORKING GROUP TO DO THAT. >> I THINK YOU GUYS ARE THE WORKING GROUP.
>> BOARD MEMBER: IT MAY BE THAT THE STANDARDS FOR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT OR AN UPDATE. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT HERE. YOU DID IT IN 2011 -- 9, 11 AND 14. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PROMPTED THOSE UPDATES FOR AMENDMENTS BUT SOMETHING DID.
>> THAT PREDATES ME BUT YOU'RE RIGHT IT'S NOT UNCOMMON. >> BOARD MEMBER: IT'S BEEN A WHILE. MAYBE IT'S TIME TO TAKE A LOOK. WE'VE HAD ISSUES COME UP THAT THE COMMUNITY IS
CONCERNED ABOUT. >> AND A LOT OF HEAVY INFLUENCE IN THERE. WE CAN'T FORGET -- I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WHEN YOU WRITE YOUR MINIMUM STANDARDS THE FAA GIVES US GUIDANCE WE
HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF BEING A PUBLIC AIRPORT. >> CHAIRMAN: YOU DO. I WOULD LIKE TO BE GIVEN GUIDANCE ON WHAT THE AIRPORT CAN AND CAN'T PERMIT
>> I THINK THERE'S A GREAT SOURCE. I EMAILED IT OUT A FEW WEEKS AGO. ACRP PUT OUT ON A REPORT ON REASONABLE ACCESS AT AIRPORTS. HERE'S WHAT SOME AIRPORTS HAVE DONE AND HAS IT
WORK AND THE FAA HAS COME BACK AND LAID DOWN THE LAW. >> CHAIRMAN: I CAN SEE WHERE THE AIRPORT COULD BE THE HOME BASE TO AN OPERATION. BUT THEY WOULD NEED AN AUXILIARY FIELD OUT IN THE BOONIES WHERE THEY COULD HAVE PARALLEL RUNWAYS AND ONLY DISTURB AN ALLIGATOR. OR THEY'VE GOT ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. WE'VE ALREADY GOT ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
>> CHAIRMAN: ANYBODY ELSE? >> BOARD MEMBER: YEAH. HOW DID YOU DO ON THE AEDS?
>> SO WE HAVE AN AED. >> BOARD MEMBER: YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT?
>> BOARD MEMBER: NO. >> BOARD MEMBER: I WENT TO AN AE -- A CPR CLASS AND IT DAWNED
ON ME. >> BOARD MEMBER: OH OKAY. >> BOARD MEMBER: DEFIBRILLATORS.
WHERE DO WE HAVE THEM AT THE AIRPORT. HOW DO WE GET THEM. WHY IS THAT FUNNY?
>> BECAUSE SHE KNEW WHAT AN AED WAS >> SO IT DOESN'T SOUND -- I SPOKE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NOT VERY STRONG GUIDANCE ON WHERE YOU HAVE TO PUT AEDS. WE HAVE ONE IN THE [INAUDIBLE] FACILITY THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. I PROPOSE THE AIRPORT MAINTAINS IT. I THINK A LOT OF THE FOOT TRAFFIC IS IN THE TERMINALS. SO I THINK IT MAKES SENSE FOR A WALL BOX WITH AN AED AND PLACE IT SOMEWHERE. I HAVEN'T TALKED TO BRIAN IF THERE'S A SMART PLACE AROUND THE BUILDING WHERE WE COULD THINK TO PUT IT IF IT'S VISIBLE AND PUT A SIGN ON THE WALL TO INDICATE WHERE IT'S AT. WE DON'T HAVE -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE IN THE T HANGAR. WE DON'T USUALLY HAVE A LARGE GROUP IN THERE. USUALLY LARGE GATHERINGS THERE AND WE SHOULD HAVE ONE THERE. I THINK THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE.
>> BOARD MEMBER: THAT WAS THE IDEA. >> WE SIMPLY NEED TO --
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>> BOARD MEMBER: WHAT [INAUDIBLE] >> ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THEY GAVE ME WAS YOU WANT IT IN A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WILL SEE IT AND KNOW IT'S THERE.
>> BOARD MEMBER: WHEN YOU START SCREAMING GO GET IT SOMEBODY KNOWS WHERE TO GET IT. THANK
YOU. >> I'M REPORT BACK WHEN WE FIGURE OUT A PLACE TO PUT IT.
>> BOARD MEMBER: GOOD. ALL RIGHT. >> BOARD MEMBER: NOTHING HERE.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. DID THEY TALK ABOUT HELICOPTER TRAINING ALONG WITH THEIR FIX-BASED OPERATION? BECAUSE THAT'S JUST A ABSOLUTE TERROR IN MY OPINION. JUST WANTED TO PUT
THAT OUT THERE. >> BOARD MEMBER: I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
>> BOARD MEMBER: TRAINING IN HELICOPTERS. >> BOARD MEMBER: THE GUY LAST MONTH. HE TALKED ABOUT JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING EXCEPT HELICOPTERS. WHEN YOU PUT THAT
FIGHTER JET UP THERE IT WAS DOWNHILL. >> BOARD MEMBER: THAT'S GOOD.
THANK YOU. THAT WAS ALL. MY ONLY COMMENT. >> BOARD MEMBER: SO YOU HAVE A
COMBAT ASSAULT WITH A BUNCH OF HELICOPTERS. >> BOARD MEMBER: I KNOW WHAT THE
TRAINING IS LIKE HAVING MANAGED AN AIRPORT WITH ALL THESE -- >> BOARD MEMBER: GILL, DON'T
TAKE IT TO HEART [LAUGHTER] >> BOARD MEMBER: OKAY. NEXT
POINT. >> BOARD MEMBER: NONE FOR ME. >> BOARD MEMBER: NONE FOR ME.
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>> CHAIRMAN: NEXT MEETING DATE? >> BOARD MEMBER: NEXT YEAR. >> CHAIRMAN: HAPPY NEW YEAR! 1-9-20 I BELIEVE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.