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>> DO I HAVE ANY REQUESTS TO SPEAK OVER THERE.

>> ONE. >> WHAT IS T

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>> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE SIMMONS PARK UPDATE NAN ARE

YOU GIVING AN UPDATE. >> YEAH, I CAN OPEN IT UP IT'S JUST A BRIEF. IT'S JUST APPROXIMATE DATE IT'S NOT -- THE PROPOSED PROJECT TIMELINE.

YOU CAN SEE WE'RE EXPECTING TO HAVE THE UPDATED ENGINEERING PLANS TO THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE WITH THE CITY SOMETIMES THIS MONTH IN JANUARY WE'LL PREPARE THE REQUIRED PERMIT. DOCUMENTS, RIGHT AWAY AND THE ST. JOHNS WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

FEBRUARY WE'LL START WORKING ON SELECTION COMPONENTS AND DESIGN WILL YOU TELL IN MARCH WE HAVE TO PREPARE THE BID DOCUMENTS FOR THE PATH PARKING RESTROOMS AND PAVILION.

IN MAY, WE HOPE TO AWARD THE BID.

AND IN JUNE WE HOPE TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION AND COMPLETE IT SOMETIME IN OCTOBER. AND LIKE I SAID THIS IS -- IT COULD VARY DEPENDING ON UNFORESEEN DELAYS IN PERMITTING

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OR WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENTS MAY COME UP.

SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE TIMELINE. >> I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND I KNOW MR. -- IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND ANSWERING THEM IT WOULD BE GREAT. DOES DRY RETENTION POND AREAS.

I KNOW THERE WAS A BUILDER THAT CAME IN ONCE AND SAID HE COULD PLANT TREES IN THOSE RETENTION PONDS.

SO I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY FOR SOME RECOVERY OF SOME TREES. ALSO, THE OVERFLOW PARKING AREA ON THE FIRST DRAWING THAT SORT OF DISAPPEARED AND ON THE SECOND DRAWING IT DIDN'T, SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT'S AT.

>> WELL THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE WILL DETERMINE IF

THAT'S REQUIRED. >> OKAY.

>> I HOPE THERE WILL BE SOME BUT WE'LL FIND OUT WHEN WE MEET WITH

THE CITY. >> OKAY, NOW, IS THERE ANY CHANCE WE CAN STILL LOOK FOR ANOTHER LOCATION FOR THE PARK?

>> NO, THIS IS APPROVED SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.

>> OKAY, SO YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY, IN THAT CASE COULD I ADD SOME INFORMATION TO THE RECORD.

>> SURE. >> THERE ARE FOUR SLIDES THAT I PUT ON A THUMB DRIVE I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

AND IT'S ON THE HANDOUT THAT I PASSED OUT.

I THINK MEMBER KEGLER GOT IT. YES, THAT'S GREAT.

AFTER TAKING A LOOK AT THE PARK AND TALKING TO SOME NEIGHBORS THERE WERE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE CONCERNED THAT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS A FLY-OVER AREA FOR THE JET PATH.

COULD I HAVE THAT BACK UP AGAIN? I'M SORRY.

>> KEEP TALKING, I'M SORRY. >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

I'LL WAIT. IT'S IMPORTANT.

>> I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WE'RE NOT IN THE FLY ZONE.

WE'RE TO THE VERY FRONT OF THE 30 ACRES.

>> I THINK EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE IT ON THE MAP.

>> SURE. >> ALL RIGHT.

THIS PARTICULAR AREA RIGHT HERE IS MY FRIEND -- I HAVE A FRIEND WHO LIVES IN THIS HOUSE AND I TALKED TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA -- WAIT A MINUTE -- COULD WE GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE, PLEASE? THE ONE WITH THE FIRST MAP ON IT. YEAH, THAT ONE.

THIS PARTICULAR AREA RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THE PARK IS LOCATED.

THEY SIT AND WATCH THE JET TRAFFIC COME IN AND THIS IS THE JET APPROACH THAT THEY SEEM TO USE.

SO IT BECAME SOMETHING OF A CONCERN THAT PEOPLE REALLY THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A QUIET AREA.

COULD WE LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE?

>> IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT CHILDREN IN AN AREA -- THE

SECOND ONE, THANK YOU. >> I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THIS

IS COMING FROM. >> THE SECOND ONE.

THERE WE GO. >> SO YOUR SLIDES ARE BACKWARDS BECAUSE THIS IS SLIDE NUMBER 5, SO YOU WANT --

>> I WANT NUMBER 2. >> THIS ONE?

>> YES, THANK YOU. RECENTLY THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF RESEARCH DONE ON PM2.5 WHICH ARE VERY TINY FINE PARTICLES THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU AVOID WITH CHILDREN, AND THE ISSUE BECOMES THAT THEY HAVE FOUNDFUL -- THIS IS INNATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH THEY FOUND SIGNIFICANT PM 2.5 EXPOSURES WERE SIGNIFICANTLY ASSOCIATE WOULD AUTISM, PARKINSON'S DISEASE AND THEY FOUND THAT PARTICULARLY DEMENTIA THAT THIS REALLY AFFECTS CHILDREN. NOT SO MUCH THE DEMENTIA PART BUT THAT'S FOR OLDER PEOPLE. WHEN KIDS BRING IN THE AIR THEY BREATHE IN MORE AIR PER POUND OF BODY WEIGHT THAN ADULTS.

SO WHEN THEY'RE ACTIVE THEY'RE BRINGING IN MORE AIR THAN THE AVERAGE ADULT. THEY'RE EXTREMELY SUSCEPTIBLE TO THIS TYPE OF EXPOSURE. WHEN THIS HAPPENS, THE ACTUAL PARTICULATE MATTER GOES TO THE -- THROUGH THE NOSE DIRECTLY INTO THE BLOOD STREAM. SO THIS IS A PARTICULARLY

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DIFFICULT AND HARD ISSUE TO DEAL WITH WHEN IT'S THIS CLOSE TO A RUNWAY THAT WE ARE PUTTING CHILDREN WHO ARE AT RISK, PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY EXPERIENCED AUTISM, AND I WAS A SPECIAL NEEDS TEACHER. AND I WAS ALSO A PRINCIPAL OF A SCHOOL. WHEN YOU HAVE A CHILD WHO CAN'T BREATHE, SMALL PARTICULATE MATTER BRINGS ON EARLY ONSET OF ASTHMA. I'M JUST HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME WITH THE LOCATION OF THIS PARK FOR THE SAFETY OF SMALL CHILDREN AND THEIR DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES.

COULD I HAVE SLIDE NUMBER 3 PLEASE? THE NATIONAL HEALTH -- INSTITUTE OF HEALTH TALKS ABOUT SHORT-TERM NOT GOING TO SEND THEM TO THE PARK OR IF I DO IT WILL ONLY BE A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THIS IS TIGHTENING YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND BELIEVE. THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH SAYS THE SHORT TERM EXPOSURE TO PM 2.5'S, IS ASSOCIATED WITH DECREASED LUNG FUNCTION. IT ACTUALLY -- THESE PM 2.5 CHANGE THE DNA IN CHILDREN. AND THERE ARE TREMENDOUS STUDIES YOU CAN LOOK UP ANY OF THESE LENGTHS AND PULL IT UP, AND IT REALLY IS A DEVASTATING AFFECT FOR KIDS IN THEIR DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES. FOR THE WHEELCHAIR BOUND THIS IS PARTICULARLY HAZARDOUS IN THAT THEY ALREADY EXPERIENCE OVER TIME AN AMOUNT OF LUNG INCAPACITATION DUE TO THE WAY THEY SIT THEY CAN'T EXPAND THEIR RIB CAGES.

SO AS A RESULT OF ADDITIONAL POLLUTION THEY ARE FURTHER IMPAIRED. I COULD GO ON.

THEY TALK ABOUT BREAST CANCER, WOMEN WHO ARE EXPOSED TO PM 2.5'S, HAS THIS HUGE RISK FOR DEVELOPING DENSE BREASTS, GIVELES YOU A 50% OF GETTING BREAST CANCER.

INCREASED DEMENTIA, THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ECONOMIC RESEARCH, THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAS LISTED THE PRICE TAG FOR EVERY LITTLE INCREMENT OF PM 2.5'S THAT ARE EXPOSED TO THE ELDERLY, AND THEY'RE RESEARCHING THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE TELLING YOU THAT IT'S COSTING MEDICARE MONEY EVERY TIME THEY LIFT THE LEVEL OF 2.5 IT COSTS YOUR GOVERNMENT AND US TAXPAYERS MONEY BECAUSE THEY EXPERIENCE MORE CASES OF DEMESSAGA, AND MORE CASES OF SUPPLY AND CARE FOR MEMORY CARE. THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO LOWER THE LEVELS OF LEGAL ADMISSIONS OF 2.5'S, SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COST SO MUCH IN HEALTHCARE TO DO THAT.

TO TAKE CARE OF THE MEMORY IMPAIRED.

THE LAST STUDY THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU IS THE ONE ABOUT THE DEMENTIA AUTISM SPECTRUM DISORDER.

THERE IS A HUGE CORRELATION NOW BETWEEN PM 2.5 EXPOSURE, AND PREGNANT WOMEN AND AUTISM. BECAUSE THE ACTUAL SMALL FINE PARTICLES GO THROUGH TO THE BLOODSTREAM DIRECTLY T CAUSES DNA DAMAGE. AND THEY HAVE FOUND THAT YOU CAN READ ON NAH PULL IT UP ANYWHERE. PM 2.5'S, FROM EXHAUST FROM ANY TYPE OF COMBUSTION, FOSSIL FUELS THIS IS A HUGE RISK FOR CHILDREN AND PARTICULARLY YOUNG MOTHERS. LAST SLIDE.

THIS IS IT. >> IF YOU GO AH AHEAD WITH THIS PART, AND I PERSONALLY, AS A PERSON WHO REALLY CARES ABOUT KIDS WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK INTO THE FUNDING OF AN AIR QUALITY MONITOR FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

PARENTS NEED TO HAVE AN OPTION. IF THEY WANT TO EXPOSE THEIR CHILDREN TO THIS QUALITY OF AIR, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO PUSH THE APP ON THEIR PHONE, AND THIS IS ONE THAT I HAVE AT MY HOUSE.

THAT LETS THEM KNOW IF THE AIR QUALITY IS REASONABLE.

IT GOES FROM GREEN TO YELLOW TO ORANGE TO RED JUST LIKE THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. I USE MINE.

I TOOK THE ADVICE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY.

THERE IS A HUGE PUSH NOW FOR CITIZENS TO SELF-MONITOR.

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AND THAT MEANS THEY GIVE YOU -- IF YOU GO TO THEIR SITE THEY GIVE YOU IF YOU LOOK ON THE CITIZENS PAGE THEY GIVE YOU A LIST OF MONITORS THAT YOU CAN BUY INEXPENSIVELY THAT YOU CAN PUT IN YOUR HOME AND IT MEASURES YOUR AIR QUALITY FOR VARIOUS THINGS. MINE MEASURES PM'S, PM'S LARGE AND SMALL. THERE ARE DAYS THAT I LOOK AT MY MONITOR AND I GO -- NOT WORKING IN THE YARD TODAY.

IT WILL GO TO ORANGE AND RED ON CERTAIN DAYS.

THERE ARE OTHER TIMES IT'S PERFECTLY GREEN AND IT'S WONDERFUL. I THINK PARENTS NEED TO BE GIVEK THEY NEED TO BE GIVEN A CHOICE AS ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR CHILDREN'S HEALTH AND WHAT KIND OF AIR QUALITY THEY WANT FOR THEIR KIDS. THAT IS MY MONITOR.

THIS ONE IS CALLED PURPLE AIR. IT'S INEXPENSIVE.

IT SHOWS IF YOU PULL UP THE MAP IT WILL SHOW YOU EVERY MONITORING SITE THAT THEY HAVE. IF YOU WISH TO PURCHASE ONE IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT VERY EXPENSIVE.

BUT IT IS RECOGNIZED BY THE EPA AS A MONITOR THAT YOU CAN USE.

LAST SLIDE. SORRY.

ONCE AGAIN I'M GOING TO POINT OUT THAT ACCORDING TO THE NEIGHBORS THIS IS THE MOST USED JET-APPROACH THAT'S RUN BY 422 -- THEY SEE IT QUITE OFTEN AS THE WAY THE JETS APPROACH, AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT CHILDREN UNDERNEATH A JET PLUME, AND THAT CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM AN EXPOSURE OF TEN MILES, THAT'S BEEN -- THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT STUDIES ON THAT ALREADY THAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH RECENTLY ON AIRPORT POLLUTION WHICH IS BECOMING A REAL ISSUE IN THE WORLD IN THE EPA. SO, I'M JUST SPEAKING TO THE COMMITTEE AS FAR AS IF YOU'RE GOING AHEAD -- IF WE'RE ASKED TO GO AHEAD WITH THIS PART I THINK IN ALL FAIRNESS TO PARENTS, WE NEED TO PUT AN AIR MONITOR THAT IS GOING TO MEASURE THAT AIR QUALITY AND THEY CAN PICK IT UP ON THEIR PHONE AND IT'S PUBLIC AND THEY CAN DECIDE. I INCLUDED IT IN YOUR PAPER PACKAGE I DON'T KNOW IF -- GOT ONE OR NOT, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY ABOUT THE PARK, THANK YOU.

>> REGARDING THE SIMMONS GROVE PARK, FOR THE RECORD THERE IS SOME INFORMATION I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP.

I HAVE A BASIC FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION, WHICH IS DOES BUILDING A PLAYGROUND AT SIMMONS ROAD VIOLATE THE PLAN? AND IN ORDER TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION OR WHAT THAT DEPENDS UPON IS WHETHER THAT SITE CONTAINS ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LANDS. THE COMP PLAN HAS A COUPLE OF POLICIES THAT PERTAIN TO THIS, AND SOME DEFINITIONS.

THE FIRST POLICY HAS TO DO WITH WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE TO BUILD A PARK AT SIMMONS ROAD. IT'S POLICY 1.07.14 SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE RIGHT HERE. FIRST, CAN YOU BUILD A PARK AT SIMMONS ROAD, YES. THAT POLICY SAYS THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT SAYS THAT PARKS WITH FIELDS, COURTS, PLAYGROUNDS, RESTROOMS, FITNESS AREAS, TRAILS, PATHS AND ACTIVE OR PASSIVE OPEN SPACE ARE ALLOWABLE USES.

ALLOWABLE U.S. MEANS THEY MAY BE INCLUDED BUT THAT NOT THAT THEY MUST BE INCLUDED. NUMBER TWO IS DOES THE SITE CONTAIN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LANDS? THE DEFINITION OF ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LANDS IN THE COMP PLAN IS ANY LAND AREA OR WATT SOURCE THAT MAY BE DETERMINED TO CONTAIN NATURALLY OCCUR OR RELATIVELY UNALTERED FLORA AND FAUNA. AND GEOLOGICAL CONDITIONS

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HISTORICAL, ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES, WETLANDS, WETLAND TRANSITION AREAS. SHORELINES, FLOOD PLAINS, OPEN SPACE, DUNE SYSTEMS, WILDLIFE HABITAT AND AQUA -- RECHARGE AREAS. THE OUTSIDE COUNCIL THAT WEIGHED IN ON THIS AFTER WE QUESTIONED THE CITY.

THE FOLLOW-UP SAYS THAT WETLANDS ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND BUT THAT AREAS OF THE PARCEL THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE WETLANDS ARE NOT ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE.

CAN YOU SCROLL UP? NUMBER THREE, WELL OKAY RIGHT THERE. BUT WHAT ABOUT WILDLIFE HABITAT? OUTSIDE COUNCIL OVERLOOKED THIS. WILDLIFE HABITAT IS ALSO PART OF THAT DEFINITION AND THERE IS NOTHING IN THE DEFINITION THAT SAYS IT'S LESS IMPORTANT THAN WETLANDS.

IF YOU CAN'T PUT PARK DEVELOPMENT IN WETLANDS AND YOU CAN'T, BY DEFINITION YOU CAN'T PUT IT IN WILDLIFE HABITAT EITHER. DOES THE SITE CONTAIN WILDLIFE HABITAT? OF COURSE IT DOES.

THE WHOLE 33 ACRES IS PRISTINE WOODLAND AND WILDLIFE HABITAT.

ARE THERE NO POSSUMS OR O POSSUMS RACCOONS, FIELD MICE, SNAKES, ARMADILLOS, AND DEAR LIVING ON THAT SITE? SURELY WE AREN'T DISPUTING THAT, ARE WE? IF THE SITE IS ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND, AND IF IT HAS WILDLIFE HABITAT, IT IS. POLICY 6.05.02 STATES THAT THE CITY SHALL LIMIT ACTIVITY TO PASSIVE RECREATION.

PLAYGROUNDS ARE DEFINED AS ACTIVE RECREATION, NOT PASSIVE RECREATION. OUTSIDE COUNCIL'S LETTER ACKNOWLEDGES ALL OF THIS, EXCEPT FOR THE PART ABOUT WILDLIFE HABITAT WHICH THEY OVERLOOKED OR CHOSE TO IGNORE.

IF WILDLIFE HABITAT IS PRESENT, THE SITE IS BY DEFINITION ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND AND YOU CANNOT BUILD A PLAYGROUND ON ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND.

OUTSIDE COUNCIL'S LETTER CONCLUDED WITH, AND I QUOTE "A MORE EXPANSIVE READING OF THE PLAN MAY LIMIT USES ON THE SITE TO PASSIVE RECREATION WHICH WOULD NOT ALLOW THE SIMMONS ROAD PARK, AT LEAST NOT AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED." WHAT DOES A MORE EXPANSIVE READING OF THE PLAN MEAN? AND WHY WASN'T IT PROVIDED? WHY DO WE ONLY GET THE LESS EXPANSIVE READING? AND LASTLY, WHY WEREN'T POLICY 6.05.02 AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DEFINITIONS INCLUDED IN THE OUTSIDE COUNCIL'S ORIGINAL REPORT? I MEAN WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS? WHAT EXACTLY IS THE REASONING THAT JUSTIFIES BUILDING A PLAYGROUND AT SIMMONS ROAD? AND I WOULD ASK EITHER NAN OR BEN TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE ACTUAL REASONING IS FOR PUTTING A PLAYGROUND AT SIMMONS ROAD PARK IF IT VIOLATES THE COMP PLAN. AND LASTLY, DOES THE COMP PLAN MATTER? THAT'S ALL I GOT.

>> SO I THINK THAT I WAS HERE IN SPIRIT LAST MONTH WATCHING YOU GUYS FROM DOWN THE STREET, AND I KNOW THAT I THINK THAT THIS BOARD HAS MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT WE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN SOME OTHER OPTIONS FOR THE PLAYGROUND, THAT WAS THE VOTE YOU TOOK LAST MONTH, AND I'VE EXPRESSED TO THE COMMISSIONERS THAT I THINK IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE NOT ONLY WERE THE WISHES OF THE COMMITTEE NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BY THE BOARD VOTE BUT OUR BOARD LIASON DISTANT EXPRESS THE WISHES OF THIS COMMUNITY TO THE COMMISSION AND ACTUALLY THAT WASN'T THE ONLY OCCASION THAT -- THIS MEETING WHEN IT HAPPENED, AND I THINK THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. HOWEVER IT, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

THE PARK PASSED THE COMMISSION AS YOU GUYS ALL KNOW, AND I

THINK AT THIS POINT -- >> -- CAN WE REQUEST THAT AN AIR

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MONITOR BE REPLACED AT THE SITE? >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DO THAT? WE CAN ABSOLUTELY --

>> I WOULD MOVE THAT A EPA QUALITY AIR MONITOR FOR PM 2.5'S BE PLACED AT THE SIMMON'S ROAD PARK.

>> YOU CAN RECOMMEND IT YOU CAN'T --

>> OKAY, RECOMMEND. CAN I HAVE A SECOND?

>> I'LL SECOND IT. >> ALL IN FAVOR THAT WE RECOMMEND AN AIR QUALITY MONITOR BE PLACED AT THE SIMMONS ROAD

SITE, SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ECHOING WHAT TERESA SAID. I DID COME TO THE COMMISSIONERS MEETING ON TUESDAY. I WAS NOT AT THE MEETING TO PERSONALLY EXPRESS MY FRUSTRATION WE HAD NO REPRESENTATION, OUR LIAISON DOESN'T REPRESENT US.

AND THE FACT A SLIDE WAS ALLOWED TO BE PRESENTED SHOWING OUR OCTOBER VOTE, AND NEGATING TO PUT OUR OCTOBER VOTE OF APPROVAL AND LEAVING OUT WHAT HAPPENED IN NOVEMBER THAT'S A PUBLIC MEETING, AND ANYBODY WHO DIDN'T ATTEND OUR MEETING, THE PUBLIC WOULD NEVER HAVE KNOWN WHAT HAPPENED IN NOVEMBER.

NOT ONLY THAT, THIS COMMISSION PASSED A RESOLUTION, REFERENCING ONCE AGAIN THE OCTOBER APPROVAL, NEVER WHICH FRANKLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT -- IT WAS RESCINDED.

SO ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO DID NOT ATTEND THIS MEETING IN NOVEMBER WOULD NEVER HAVE KNOWN THAT THAT VOTE -- UNLESS COMMISSIONER ROSS HAD STOOD UP FOR IT, AND COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH DID HIS PRESENTATION. I FIND THAT A TOTAL LACK OF TRANSPARENCY. I FIND NOT BEING CHUCKTIVE AND HONEST WITH THE PUBLIC AND THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY, AND FRANKLY IS NOT INDICATIVE OF THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT LACKS TRANSPARENCY. AND AGAIN, I JUST -- I SAID SO MUCH AT THE MEETING ON TUESDAY BUT I WANTED IT IN THE RECORD FOR A COMMITTEE MEETING AS THIS IS A PUBLIC.

SO WE HAVE A PUBLIC RECORD THAT INDICATES THAT WE APPROVED.

BECAUSE A RESOLUTION IS PUBLIC, AND THAT STAYS AND TECHNICALLY CARRIES A LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT INDICATES WE MADE A VOTE AND NEVER REFERENCES THAT WE RESCINDED THAT VOTE.

SO, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF PASSING THAT

KIND OF A RESOLUTION ALSO. >> I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS IN THAT ON OUR COMMITTEE CITIZENS SURVEY ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT OUR GOVERNMENT IS THAT WE LACK TRUST.

OUR TRUST NUMBERS ARE LUKE IN THE TOILET.

AND YET, THIS STUFF HAPPENS. I MEAN THERE IS NO TRANSPARENCY AS FAR AS WHAT HAPPENS WITH RESOLUTIONS THAT WERE PASSED AND THEY WEREN'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED. SO, IT'S A GREAT CONCERN.

AND I HOPE THAT CITIZENS MAKE AN EFFORT TO CHANGE THE CULTURE.

>> THE OTHER LACK OF TRANSPARENCY IS WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THAT MEETING THAT LISTED THE RESOLUTION AND LOAND BEHOLD WE GET A PRESENTATION THAT IF THE PUBLIC JUST LOOKED AT THE AGENDA THEY WOULD HAVE NO IDEA THERE WAS GOING TO BE A PRESENTATION BY MR. MORRISON AND MS. VOTE.

SO WHERE IS THE TRANSPARENCY? PEOPLE MAYBE DIDN'T COME BECAUSE THEY FIGURED IT'S JUST A RESOLUTION.

NO, IT WAS A PRESENTATION WITH THE NEW PLAN.

SO, I JUST AS I SAID I FIND IT VERY FRUSTRATING PROCESS ALSO AS A RESIDENT OF THIS CITY. AND VERY DISAPPOINTING.

I'VE SPENT MANY YEARS WORKING IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, I SPENT MY CAREER, I'VE SEEN GOOD GOVERNMENT AND BAD GOVERNMENT, AND THIS IS NOT INDICATIVE OF THE GOVERNMENT THIS PROCESS.

>> ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE?

> >> SO THE MASTER PLAN WE'VE

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REALLY BEEN TRYING TO GET THROUGH THIS, AND I THINK THAT IF THERE -- AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE LATER BUT IF THERE IS A GOOD THING THAT CAME OUT OF THE SIMMONS ROAD PARK THERE IS A CLEAR NEED TO BE MORE CLARITY AROUND THE ROLE OF THIS COMMITTEE, AND THE ROLE OF HOW THIS COMMITTEE AS IT RELATES

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TO THE COMMISSION, AND WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF TIMES COME UP WHERE THIS MASTER PLAN BECAUSE IT WAS IRRELEVANT, BEING USED WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT AND NOT USED WHEN IT'S NOT CONVENIENT, AND SO I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY CRITICAL THAT WE MOVE THROUGH THIS, THAT WE GET THIS IN ORDER -- WE'RE ALMOST FINISHED AND THAT WE CAN THEN AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS MORE LATER BUT WE CAN GET THIS CLEANED UP AND MAKE A PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION THAT HOPEFULLY THEY CAN ADOPT THIS IN THE FUTURE, AND MY SCAPE-GOAT FOR THIS IS THE CHANGING -- THAT MAKES IT EASY TO DISMISS THE WHOLE THING ALLTOGETHER.

SO THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE VOTED ON THE CHANGES, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, NAN OR ALICIA FOR EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR ARE WE AT

MLK? >> ARE WE TRYING TO WORK ON THIS

NOW? >> YEAH.

>> I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO DEFER IT.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER IT BECAUSE I --

>> SOUNDS GOOD. >> AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO DO THAT NOW OR LATER.

THIS ALSO. >> SURE GO AHEAD.

>> THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE WORK PLAN THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ASKED US TO PROVIDE. I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN PRIDE A WORK PLAN WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A JOB DESCRIPTION.

I PERSONALLY AM NOT WILLING TO BE PUTTING A LOT OF MY TIME INTO WORKING ON A WATERFRONT PARK AND DOING THIS ONLY TO FIND OUT THAT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A ROLE FOR WHAT OUR ABILITY OR WHAT WE'LL

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ALLOW TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.

>> ABSOLUTELY. CAN I POP IN ANOTHER -- WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE WORK PLAN ON THE AGENDA, AND IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, WOULD IT BE OKAY FOR ME TO ADDRESS THAT OUT OF ORDER.

>> THAT'S FINE. >> SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THE WORK PLAN FOR A QUICK RECAP AT THE MOST RECENT COMMISSION MEETING IT DID COME UP WHETHER WE WERE GOING TO MOVE THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD FROM 7 TO 5 WITH TWO ALTERNATIVES.

THEY DID NOT TAKE -- THEY DID NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THEIR DISCUSSION THAT THIS BOARD HAD VOTED TO KEEP IT AT 7 MEMBERS. HOWEVER, IT COMMISSIONER INCREASINGER ISSUED A -- EITHER COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH OR COMMISSIONER ROSS HAD SUGGEST THAT THEY GO ALONG WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION TO KEEP IT AT 7 MEMBERS FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AND SEE HOW THE NEW MEETING TIME -- AND RENEWED INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY AND THIS BOARD HOW THAT WORKED OUT BEFORE DROPPING IT TO FIVE MEMBERS AND COMMISSIONER KRUEGER WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WORK PLAN FROM US WHICH I THINK IS A WONDERFUL IDEA. WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THE WORK PLAN, HOWEVER THAT IF SIMMONS ROAD PARK SHOWS US ANYTHING WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS A SET OF BYLAWS AND WE NEED TO COMMISSION TO ADOPT THE BYLAWS SO WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HOW THE BOARD IS GOING TO WORK AND HOW WE SHOULD BE REPRESENTED BY OUR COMMISSION LIAISON, AND HOW WE

SHOULD BE WORKING -- >> I AGREE WITH YOU, I THINK BYLAWS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. I SENT AN EMAIL TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND ALSO MS. VOIT, ABOUT SETTING UP SUBCOMMITTEES SO THAT ALL OF US DON'T HAVE TO MEET AT THE SAME TIME.

MS. -- SAID IF WE DIDN'T HAVE BYLAWS WE WERE FULLY CAPABLE OF PUTTING TOGETHER SUBCOMMITTEES. YOU COULD SET AT THREE PEOPLE AL AT A MINIMUM, AND SET A TIME TO GET TOGETHER, MAKE IT PUBLIC, IT HAS TO BE NOTICED AND ANYONE CAN COME IN AND TALK AND ACTUALLY WORK ON THE PROJECT. YOU CAN DIVIDE IT INTO SMALL PIECES, WE CAN PUT IT TOGETHER INTO BIG PIECES.

IT'S UP TO US, BUT I KNOW THAT -- IN TALKING ABOUT THE BYLAWS AND THE WORK PLAN, I JUST WANT ONE TASK OUT OF THIS THAT WE ACCOMPLISHED THIS EVENING. ON ONE OF YOUR PAGES IT SAYS WATERFRONT PARK. THERE IS A TASK LIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT AFTER WATCHING ALL THE CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS FOREVER, OF ALL THE THINGS THAT THE CITY COMMISSION NEEDS TO FINISH BEFORE WE EVER EVEN GET TO A WATERFRONT PARK.

AND I WOULD LIKE MS. VOIT TO TAKE THE LIST TO MR. MARTIN, THE

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CITY MANAGER, AND HAVE HIM GO THROUGH THE LIST AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS WHAT THE CITY COMMISSION NEEDS TO ACCOMPLISH BEFORE WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT TOGETHER THE PLAN OF ALL THE AMENITIES IN THE MIDDLE. OKAY? IT'S JUST -- ONE SUGGESTION AND THEN GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE BYLAWS AND SEE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE.

>> WELL WE'RE KIND OF JUMPING AHEAD BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE WATERFRONT PARK ON THE AGENDA. BUT, I THINK WE HAVE BEEN REQUESTED BY THE COMMISSION TO THIS BOARD HAS WORKED FOR SEVERAL YEARS ON THE WATERFRONT PARK AND I KNOW THERE IS A COMMITTEE TOGETHER NOW, AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED TO SOMETHING VERY HIGH LEVEL FROM US OF THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PARK SO THEY CAN FURTHER WORK ON THE PLAN AND SEE THE AMENITIES NEEDED TO REQUIRE THE AMOUNT OF SPACE, THE AMOUNT OF SPACE IT REQUIRES. BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN REQUESTED THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING

TO THEM BY JANUARY. >> WHO IS THEY?

>> WELL, COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH AT THE MEETING.

>> WELL UNLESS HE GETS SOME KIND OF A DIRECTIVE FROM THE COMMISSION WHY ARE WE SPENDING TIME DOING THAT? BECAUSE WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS WITH SIMMONS.

>> YEAH. >> SOME PEOPLE SAY YES AND THEN

A TOTAL DROP OF PROCESS. >> WHICH I THINK --

>> SO I'M NOT WILLING TO SIT HERE AND SPEND HOURS SPENDING MY OWN TIME DOING THIS FINDING OUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A ROLE OR A

MISSION. >> THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE BYLAWS ARE IMPORTANT, WHEN THE COMMISSION ADOPTS THE BYLAWS AT LEAST THEY HAVE VOTED WHERE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO REPRESENT YOU OR BRING IN A DISCUSSION THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE DISCUSSED

WHICH HAS BEEN HAPPENING. >> COULD I BRING UP ONE OTHER ISSUE? IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IF WE WERE GIVEN THE CITIZEN'S SURVEY WHICH IS ON THE BACK.

I KNOW I SPOKE WITH MS. VOIT THE LAST TIME ABOUT IT WAS ACTUALLY ASKED OF THE PUBLIC WHETHER THEY WANTED A WATERFRONT PARK OR NOT AND THEY WERE ONLY LIKE 19% OF THE PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT JUST LEAVE IT ALONE, DON'T BOTHER WITH IT.

WE -- SINCE WE MAY HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO DO THIS, IT -- WOULD IT BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR COMMITTEE TO ASK MS. VOIT TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO PUT OUT ANOTHER SURVEY.

THE CITIZEN'S SURVEY AND ASK THEM WITH A SPECIFIC LIST OF QUESTIONS FROM US AS TO WHAT THEY WANT BECAUSE FOR US TO SIT HERE AND PLAN A PARK FOR THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE CITY IS A PRETTY DAUNTING TASK IF YOU'RE NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH ALL FACETS OF THE COMMUNITY. JUST SOME THOUGHTS.

>> I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT JUST BECAUSE HOW LONG THIS WATERFRONT PARK HAS BEEN -- AS LONG AS I'VE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY 20 YEARS WE'VE DONE SURVEY AFTER SURVEY, AND STUDY AFTER STUDY, AND IN THE MEANTIME THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE HAVE A PARKING LOT IN THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SPOT IN OUR TOWN. SO I WOULD HATE TO CONTINUE TO GUM UP THE PROCESS WHEN THE PUBLIC IS MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME TO THE MEETINGS AND THE SURVEY HAS BEEN DONE, BUT THAT'S MY -- ACTUALLY WE JUMPED AHEAD TO THE WATERFRONT PARK.

AND WE DID HAVE A REQUEST TO SPEAK ON THE WATERFRONT PARK.

SO WE HAVE -- LET'S FINISH UP THE WORK PLAN OR AT LEAST DISCUSSING THE WORK PLAN. DOES -- THE IDEA OF HAVING A SUBCOMMITTEE TO WORK ON BYLAWS APPEAL TO ANYONE?

>> WORKS FOR ME. >> OR WOULD WE LIKE TO WORK ON IT HERE AS A WHOLE IN THE MEETING IN JANUARY?

>> ISN'T THE ISSUE -- IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ACCEPTED?

>> WELL WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE PRESENT IT TO THE COMMISSION.

>> BUT WHY DON'T -- >> I BELIEVE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG I BELIEVE WE ARE THE ONLY BOARD THAT DOES NOT HAVE BYLAWS.

>> I DON'T KNOW. >> THE PAB DOES THE PLANNING AND

ZONING BOARD DOES, THE HDC DOES. >> ARE THEY STANDING COMMITTEES OR AD HOC COMMITTEE. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. THERE COULD BE A DIFFERENCE.

>> WELL THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT BEFORE THE COMMISSION HAS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE BYLAWS FOR THIS.

THE ONE FROM -- >> THE ONE THAT DIDN'T GET

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PASSED? >> RIGHT, BUT --

>> BUT IT'S STILL NOT PASSED THOUGH.

>> -- SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE OUT OUT OF THE WORK PLAN.

>> TO ME ASKING SOMEONE TO DO A WORK PLAN IS LIKE HIRING SOMEBODY FOR A NEW JOB AND SAYING THERESA, CONGRATULATIONS YOU'RE THE NEW MANAGER, I NEED A WORK PLAN FROM YOU.

AND YOU GO DO YOU HAVE A JOB DESCRIPTION, HOW CAN I DO A WORK PLAN IF I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT MY RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, WHAT MY ROLL IS, AND AS YOU DEFINED IT SO THAT YOU'LL ACCEPT IT WHEN I MOVE FORWARD. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RUN OFF AND DO THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY COULD SAY THAT'S NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY OR JOB. WHICH WE WERE TOLD MANY TIMES.

THAT'S NOT YOUR AREA OF PER VIEW.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME TYPE OF CLARITY IN WHICH WE DRIVE IT OR THE COMMISSIONERS DRIVE IT, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT A UNIQUE PROBLEM AMONG SOME OF THE COMMITTEES AND MAYBE THE COMMISSIONERS CAN COMMENT ON THAT.

THAT SOME OF THE OTHER COMMITTEES FEEL THAT THEY DON'T

REALLY HAVE GUIDANCE EITHER. >> TO SPEAK TO THAT THE REASON THAT IT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US IS THAT IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT A CITY COMMISSION MEETING THAT THIS SHOULD GO TO PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE. AND AFTER THAT, IT DROPPED.

>> WHAT SHOULD GO TO PARKS AND REC?

>> THE WATERFRONT PLAN. >> YEAH, THE WORK -- AND THE WORK PLAN IS IN THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION SO THAT WAS NOTHING NEW. AND WE DID ONE TWO YEARS AGO.

NO, WE DID ONE LAST YEAR. YOU DID ONE.

WE DIDN'T DO ONE THIS YEAR BUT WE DID A PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION. I KNOW COMMISSIONER KRUEGER DIDN'T REMEMBER THAT BUT LAST YEAR WE DID COME IN JULY, ERIC

AND I. >> JULY 2018?

>> YES. >> SO --

>> SO YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH BYLAWS?

>> I'M WILLING. >> DO WE HAVE --

>> WELL I WOULD LIKE TO -- >> WE NEED MORE THAN ONE PERSON.

>> RIGHT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION THAT WILL WORK ON -- THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO TO SUBCOMMITTEE FOR BYLAWS BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED MORE THAN ONE PERSON.

>> BONNIE DICKENS, IN MARCH 2017 THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PRAC'S FUTURE AND WHAT CLARIFYING THEIR ROLL AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF SO THERE SHOULD BE RECORDS OF THIS HAVING BEEN DONE ALREADY. DALE MARTN AND THE CITY COMMISSIONERS WERE INVITED TO DISCUSS THE FUTURE OF THE PARC GROUP. OR SHOULD IT BE SUNSETTED.

THIS HAPPENED BACK IN 2017 ALREADY.

SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE IS NOT SOMETHING IN THE RECORDS THAT --

>> WE WOULD HAVE THE MINUTES FROM THAT.

>> WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THE DATE OF THAT?

>> IT WAS MARCH 8TH, 2017. AND BACK IN MAY 11, 2016 THEY WERE ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS WAS CLARIFY THE ROLE OF THE PARC.

SO I MEAN -- THIS IS -- >> THESE THINGS WERE LOCATED IN A RESOLUTION OR WERE THEY LOCATED IN BYLAWS THAT NEW MEMBERS INCOMING WOULD HAVE INFORMATION TO THAT INFORMATION AND IT WOULD BE LESS CONFUSING SO MAYBE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY

TO -- >> THESE WERE ON THE PARK AND RECAGENDAS SO THESE ITEMS WERE DISCUSSED --

>> WE HAVE UNTIL JUNE TO COMPLETE THE WORK PLAN, RIGHT?

>> SO WE HAVE A WHILE. >> RIGHT.

>> I CAN GO BACK I'M NOT ABLE TO GET IT HERE BUT I CAN GO BACK AND PULL THE MINUTES FROM THAT MEETING AND SEND IT OUT TO THE COMMITTEE SO THAT THEY CAN SEE WHAT WAS --

>> THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. >> SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT WAS

STATED IN THE MEETING. >> THAT GIVES US A PLACE TO

START. >> YES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> AND I STILL FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT BYLAWS, CLEARLY.

>> YES, YOU DO. >> SO MAY I MAKE A MOTION WE MOVE TO A SUBCOMMITTEE OF SET SOME SORT OF DATE FOR A BYLAW SUBCOMMITTEE? IS THERE A SECOND?

>> I'LL SECOND IT. >> DO WE NEED TO CALL ROLE OR

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ALL IN FAVOR? >> COULD YOU REREAD THE MOTION.

>> MEMBER ROSS MOVED TO A MOTION TO SET A DATE FOR BYLAWS TO CREATE BYLAWS BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE.

>> SO TO ESTABLISH A SUBCOMMITTEE? TO ESTABLISH A SUBCOMMITTEE TO DEVELOP BYLAWS?

>> M-HMM. >> NOW BYLAWS ARE ALREADY IN

OTHER COMMITTEES, RIGHT? >> YES.

>> SO BEST PRACTICES MEANS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT -- WE DON'T HAVE

TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. >> YES AND I SENT VOLUNTEER DUNCAN A COPY OF THE BYLAWS AND THEY'RE SIMPLE.

JUST COME CLARITY. IT CLARIFIES WHAT CITY STAFF DOES WE TAKE YOUR MINUTES AND YOU GUYS REPORT TO THE COMMISSION BUT SUBCOMMITTEES WOULD BE NICE TO WORK ON SOME OF YOUR PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A LONG TIME.

IT'S HARD WHEN YOU CAN ONLY MEET ONCE A MONTH.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> WE DIDN'T TAKE A VOTE ON

THAT. >> NOT YET.

>> MEMBER ROSS MADE A MOTION TO ESTABLISH A SUBCOMMITTEE TO CREATE BYLAW FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE.

>> ARE YOU GOING TO CALL THE ROLE?

>> I WAS -- >> ALL IN FAVOR?

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED?

>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING QUICK? IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

>> I'M SCOTT MICHAELSON I WORK IN THE PARKS AND RECDEPARTMENT.

IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR WORK PLAN CAN'T YOU JUST HAVE THE COMMISSION COME UP WITH IT AND VOTE ON IT FIRST, AND SEND IT TO YOU AND SAY THIS IS YOUR WORK PLAN INSTEAD OF DOING YOUR WORK PLAN AND WORRYING ABOUT THEM VOTING ON IT?

>> THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL THING EXCEPT THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED AT THE LAST CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

WE HAD -- IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THERE WERE TWO CITY COMMISSIONERS WHO WANTED TO HAVE A WORK PLAN FROM THIS COMMITTEE.

>> AND WHEN I REACHED OUT TO BOTH OF THOSE COMMISSIONERS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ANYONE ELSE SAID I REACHED OUT TO BOTH OF THEM AND THEY SAID YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

>> SO -- I ASKED MORE THAN ONE IN MY POSITION AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER. AND THE REACTION I RECEIVED WAS JUST DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF FERNANDINA BEACH.

>> COMMISSIONERS DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT.

>> WELL, THEY'RE BUSY PEOPLE. SO THEY'RE GIVING OSRESPONSIBILITY, WE CAN TAKE IT.

>> ABSOLUTELY, I THINK THAT I MEAN I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS DYLAN SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE --

>> PEOPLE PUT A LOT OF TIME -- FROM RESEARCHING SAMPLE PLAYGROUNDS TO -- SO IT'S OUR TIME IS VALUABLE TOO.

>> ABSOLUTELY, SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS THIS BOARD VOTED TO NOT CHANGE THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS AND THAT WASN'T EVEN -- CERTAINLY VERY FRUSTRATING TO ME AS WELL.

SO, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN, GENE, AND

I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DO THAT. >> THIS IS A GOOD START IF WE CAN DEVELOP BYLAWS, IT WILL START --

>> RIGHT AND WE CAN TAKE THOSE FOR APPROVAL BEFORE AND MAYBE WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS IN THOSE BYLAWS.

>> OKAY. >> SO AS A FOLLOW-UP WE NEED A DATE AND A TIME FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE.

>> TO SELECT THE SUBCOMMITTEE. >> WE NEED TO SELECT A

SUBCOMMITTEE FIRST I THINK. >> SO MAYBE SOMEBODY WANTS TO VOLUNTEER AND CAN YOU DETERMINE HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU WANT ON IT?

>> WHATEVER -- >> WHOEVER CAN BE AVAILABLE.

>> WELL, ALSO THIS IS A TOTAL DIGRESSION BUT WHEN WILL WE EXPECT TO HAVE A VOTE FOR AN ADDITIONAL MEMBER?

>> TODAY. >> ON THE AGENDA --

>> TODAY YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE APPS AND RECOMMEND, AND IT WILL GET ON THE EARLIEST COMMISSION MEETING THAT IT CAN

GET ON. >> UNDER OTHER BUSINESS --

>> THERE WAS TWO APPLICANTS -- >> I MUST HAVE THE OLD AGENDA.

THE ORIGINAL AGENDA BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT --

>> IT IS -- WE'LL GET THERE. DID YOU GET THE APPLICATIONS.

>> YES, I DID. >> SO WE'RE VOLUNTEERING FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE. IS ONE -- TWO? OKAY. I'LL HELP ALSO.

>> SO THAT'S PUGH, DUNCAN AND ROSS.

>> WE NEED TO SET A TIME AND A DATE SO WE CAN PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE

IT. >> YES IT WILL HAVE TO BE

PUBLISHED. >> YES.

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>> AND IS IT 7 DAYS? >> 7 DAYS, I MEAN WE CAN MONDAY AMENDTHE AGENDA AFTER 7 DAYS BEE THAT'S WHAT WE DID WITH THE LAST ONE BECAUSE THE COMMISSION MEETING WAS THE NEXT DAY.

AS LONG AS WE GET SOMETHING PUBLISHED 7 DAYS OUT AND IF YOU WANT TO AMEND IT WE CAN AMEND IT 24 HOURS OUT.

>> CAN WE LOOK AT A DATE NOW POTENTIALLY?

>> YEAH. >> BECAUSE THINGS GET CRAZY.

>> WHAT I'LL NEED TO FIND OUT IS IF IT HAS TO BE IN THIS ROOM --

>> OKAY. >> BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF HARD TO WORK IN THIS ROOM. YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT EVEN -- YOU CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER, YOU'RE TALKING OUT TO THE CROWD.

SO IF IT HAS TO BE IN THIS ROOM, AND/OR IF IT CAN BE IN ANOTHER ROOM WHERE YOU HAVE THE TABLES OUT, AND WHATEVER -- WHATEVER YOU NEED FOR YOUR PLAN. OR PAPER --

>> I'VE SEEN THEM ACTUALLY PUT A TABLE UP HERE.

>> THEY CAN DO THAT TOO. >> YEAH.

>> OKAY. BEST DATE --

>> I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST AFTER CHRISTMAS.

>> YES. >> OKAY, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO

LOOK AND SEE. >> AND I'M MORE LIKE TIME OF DAY VERSUS DAY OF THE WEEK, THE MORNINGS ARE BETTER FOR ME.

>> I'M GOOD IN THE MORNING. >> BEFORE NOON IS BETTER FOR ME, AND AFTER CHRISTMAS. SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO PICK A

DATE. >> HOW SOON ARE WE LOOKING? SOON?

>> TO HAVE SOMETHING TO BRING BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING.

>> LET ME SEE WHEN YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING I CAN GO TO THE CITY'S CALENDAR TO SEE IF THIS ROOM IS AVAILABLE.

SOMETIMES THAT'S WHERE WE RUN INTO ISSUES.

YOU PICK A DAY, AND I'LL TELL YOU, AND A TIME AND I'LL TELL

YOU. >> HOW ABOUT THURSDAY THE 9TH.

>> JANUARY? >> YES.

>> IS THAT WHAT IS YOUR CALENDAR LOOK LIKE?

>> LOOKS GOOD. >> LOOKS GOOD FOR ME.

>> IN THE MORNING. >> WHAT TIME IN THE MORNING.

>> THE EARLIER THE BETTER FOR ME.

>> LIKE 9:00? >> 9:00 ON THE 9TH.

>> THIS ROOM IS NOT AVAILABLE ON THURSDAY THE 9TH.

>> AT ALL? >> NO TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE

FROM 9-11:00. >> WHAT ABOUT A WEDNESDAY?

>> WEDNESDAY WOULD ACTUALLY -- BECAUSE WE'LL NEED SOMEBODY HERE TO TAKE MINUTES, AND OUR DEPARTMENT STAFF MEETING IS ON THURSDAY, SO AT 10:00, SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A -- LET'S SEE, OKAY, YOU WANT TO LOOK AT -- WEDNESDAY?

>> THE 8TH? >> NOT AVAILABLE GOLF ADVISORY BOARD COMMITTEE 9:00 A.M. TO 10:00 A.M.

>> 7TH? 7:00 YOU MEAN?

>> TUESDAY THE 7TH? >> 9 A.M. ON THE 7TH?

>> YES, I CAN'T RESERVE IT BUT I CAN SEND TO CAR LINE, AND SHE CAN RESERVE. 9:00 A.M. ON THE 7TH HERE, AND WE'LL HAVE A STAFF PERSON HERE TO YOU KNOW -- DO MINUTES.

I'M PRESSURE WE HAVE TO DO MINUTES I WILL DOUBLE-CHECK I WOULD PREFER WE HAVE MINUTES SO THAT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO REFERENCE THEM AND WE CAN SEND THEM OUT BECAUSE YOU GUYS CAN'T SEND THINGS OUT TO YOUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS BUT WE CAN SEND OUT WHAT YOU DISCUSSED IN YOUR SUBCOMMITTEE SO THEY'RE KIND OF GOT A HEAD'S UP BEFORE THE MEETING.

>> PERFECT. >> OKAY.

>> AND THE -- YOU'LL CONFIRM -- WE'RE GOING TO DEFINITELY BE

HERE. >> YES, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN BE IN THIS ROOM.

>> OKAY. >> OKAY, AND SO DID WE WANT TO DISCUSS ANYMORE ABOUT THE WORK PLAN? MOVING FORWARD WITH THE BYLAWS AND QUESTIONS CONCERNS BEFORE

MOVING ON? >> NEXT â– ITEMONTHE AGENDAIS

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THE WATERFRONT PARK. DID YOU PREPARE ANYTHING THAT

YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT? >> YES.

>> I DEFINITELY HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR, MEMBER PUGH ABOUT -- AND MEMBER ROSS ABOUT WORKING ON THIS AND THAT IT'S STILL VERY, VERY PRELIMINARY. I DO THINK PERSONALLY THAT KIND OF LIKE WITH SIMMONS PARK, DO YOU THINK MOVE FORWARD WITH OR WITHOUT OUR DISCUSSION? SO IT MAY BENEFIT US TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION SO THAT WE CAN PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION HOW WE FEEL EVEN IF IT'S THAT WE FEEL ALL OF THOSE STEPS NEED TO BE

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HANDLE BEFOREHAND. BUT, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME HAS ALREADY BEEN INVESTED IN THIS PARK SO I DIDN'T WANT TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. SO GO AHEAD.

>> AND THEN WE DO, JUST SO YOU KNOW HAVE A REQUEST TO SPEAK ON

THIS. >> ALICIA, COULD YOU PUT UP THE FILE THAT SAYS WATERFRONT TASK?

>> JUST TO JUMP INTO THIS AND IT'S ONLY BEEN WHAT -- 30 YEARS -- SO WHAT THE HECK, WHY DON'T WE JUST START TO TALK ABOUT IT. EVERYTHING THAT I'M GOING TO PUT UP ON THE SCREEN IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

AND PROVISION AND -- ADDING AND THIS IS JUST TO GET INTO IT, SO, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? WHY ARE WE DOING THIS -- THE COMMISSION TOLD US TO DO IT? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH BROUGHT THAT UP. THERE SEEMED TO BE CONSENSUS WITH THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. IT PROVIDES A FORUM FOR PUBLIC INPUT. PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T COME TO THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND TALK ABOUT THE WATERFRONT PARK, AND PRAC, PARKS AND RECADVISER COMMITTEE HAS HISTORICALLY DONE THIS. THE PROCESS KIND OF BEGAN BACK IN 2005. MUCH EARLIER THAN THAT, BUT, THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT STARTED THE PROCESS WITH THE THREE WEEKEND -- AND THEN THAT WAS IN 2005, AND THEN IT PROCEEDED THE CITY JOINED A STATE PROGRAM CALLED THE WATERFRONT PARTNERSHIP, A COMMITTEE WAS CREATED.

ALSO THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE BACK AT THAT TIME STARTED WORKING ON THE WATERFRONT PARK.

SO THERE WERE THREE COMMITTEES, THE WATERFRONT PARTNERSHIP THE PARK AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND LATER ON THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY GROUP. SO THERE IS SOME HISTORY FOR PARKS AND REC DOING THIS. WHAT IS OUR TASK? DEVELOP A LIST OF PARK ELEMENTS, AND I WOULD TAKE THAT ONE STEP FURTHER BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT REALLY DOES YOU MUCH GOOD TO JUST DEVELOP A LIST OF ELEMENTS IF YOU DON'T PUT THEM TOGETHER IN SOME KIND OF CONCEPTUAL DRAWING.

AND THEN COMMUNICATE THE PROCESS AND THE RESULTS TO THE PUBLIC AND TO CITY GOVERNMENT. WHAT'S NEEDED -- THERE ARE FIVE BASIC CATEGORIES OF THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED, CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, WHICH PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE CAN DO ALONG WITH THE CITY HAS HIRED A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE FIRM FROM ST. AUGUSTINE, AND THEIR NAME IS MARQUIS LADMER, AND HALBAC.

IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT TO ME THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS, AND PERHAPS WORKING WITH MARQUIS, LADIMER, AND HALBAC MIGHT BE A GOOD THING.

DETAIL DESIGN DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO DO THAT, ENGINEERING, PROJECT MANAGEMENT DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO DO THAT, AND THERE IS A BIG CATEGORY OF FINANCING, PERMITTING, GRANT APPLICATION, PRESUMABLY THE CITY WILL DO THAT.

SOME BASIC ASSUMPTIONS -- THAT THE WATERFRONT LAND WILL BE A PARK, VERSUS NOT HAVING A PARK OR IT BEING ALL COMMERCIAL OR ALL HOUSING, OR ALL MARINA SUPPORT FACILITIES.

A BASIC ASSUMPTION IS THAT PARKING IS NEEDED WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. AND THAT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE. THERE WAS A YEAR AGO OR SO THERE WAS AN AGENDA ITEM ON A CITY COMMISSION MEETING ABOUT BANNING ALL PARKING WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

ALL PARKING. THAT DIDN'T PROCEED, FORTUNATELY. ANOTHER ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE SIMMONS PROPERTY WILL BE ACQUIRED BY THE CITY.

THAT THE RAIL CROSSING WILL BE OPEN IN SOME FASHION.

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THAT FUNDING WILL BE AVAILABLE TO BUILD A WATERFRONT PARK.

AND THAT THE POLITICAL WILL EXISTS TO BUILD THE PARK.

BACKGROUND I KIND OF DID THAT A LITTLE BIT WITH THE PAST COMMITTEES, I DON'T WANT TO GET -- WE CAN SPEND HOURS TALKING ABOUT ALL THE STUFF THAT HAS GONE ON OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS AND WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.

THERE ARE DIFFERING POINTS OF VIEW ABOUT THE WATERFRONT PARK AND THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THEM.

I'M SURE THERE ARE DOZENS MORE. ONE VIEW IS THAT THERE BE NO NET LOSS OF PARKING ON THE WATERFRONT.

VERSUS NO CARS SHOULD BE PARKED ON THE WATERFRONT.

ONLY GRASS AND TREES SHOULD BE IN THE PARK VERSUS GRASS AND TREES PLUS DESTINATIONS AND ATTRACTIONS THAT -- ONE POINT OF VIEW IS THAT PARKING SHOULD BE INCREASED IN PARKING LOTS A AND B FOR THE MARINA VERSUS INCREASING GREEN SPACE IN LOTS A AND B TO CREATE WALKABILITY. THERE IS A POINT OF VIEW THAT SAYS COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE PARK, VERSUS ONLY PARK LAND. AND THEN ONE KIND OF DETAILED ONE HAS TO DO WITH A FOUNTAIN THAT WAS ON THE ORIGINAL 2012 PLAN WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION THAT WITH THE RIVER YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE A FOUNTAIN VERSUS THE POINT OF VIEW THAT A FOUNTAIN IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF WATER EXPERIENCE. OKAY.

ALICIA, COULD YOU GO TO -- WATERFRONT DESIGN OBJECTIVES?

>> OKAY. >> THE IT SHOULD BE A FUN PLACE TO BE. I MEAN OFTENTIMES WE GET SORT OF CAUGHT UP IN ALL THE SERIOUSNESS OF ALL THIS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IT SHOULD BE A FUN NICE PLACE TO GO.

THERE SHOULD BE ADEQUATE PARKINR ONE -- WE SHOULD PROVIDE ADEQUATE PARKING, DETERMINE THE ALACHUA STREET RAIL CROSSING TRAFFIC FLOW. NOW THESE ARE DESIGNED OBJECTIVES AND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, AND IF WE ACTUALLY STICK WITH THIS AND ACTUALLY DO THIS STUFF, WE'LL MAKE SUGGESTIONS AND THAT WILL GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND THEN THEY'LL SAY NO, OR THEY'LL SAY YES, OR WHATEVER, BUT THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT THOSE VARIOUS THINGS.

BUT AT SOME POINT, SOMEWHERE, SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE THE ALACHUA STREET RAIL CROSSING IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE WHAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS OR WHETHER IT EVEN GETS OPEN.

AND THAT HAS AN IMPACT ON DETERMINING THE FRONT STREET TRAFFIC FLOW. WHETHER IT REMAINS TWO-WAY OR ONE WAY, NORTHBOUND OR SOUTHBOUND.

A DESIGN OBJECTIVE IS TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW RAIL SIGNALS THAT -- IF THAT WANTS TO INSTALL AT CENTER AND ASH STREET.

>> WHICH MEANS MOVING FRONT STREET.

>> YES. >> PROVIDING ADEQUATE LOADING AND DROP-OFF FOR THE MARINA AS WELL AS JUST THE WATERFRONT IN GENERAL ALONG THE WATER LINE. PROVIDE FOR TROLLEY AND TOUR BUS LOADING AND DROP OFF. IMPROVE RAILROAD PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. CREATE EASY ACCESS TO THE PARK.

CREATE EASY WALKABILITY THROUGH THE PARK.

SOLVE THE LOT -- PARKING LOT C AND D CUL DE SAC PROBLEM WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT LATER ON SOMETIME.

WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE ALL AGE GROUPS.

BE ADA COMPLIANT. INCORPORATE SHORELINE FLOOD PROTECTION. INCORPORATE STORM WATER RETENTION. CAPITALIZE ON SUNSET AND RIVER VIEWS. CAN YOU SCROLL? ATTRACT VISITS. NOBODY GOES THERE NOW.

COMMUNICATE THE WORKING WATERFRONT HISTORY IN SOME WAY.

DETERMINE USE OF THE VUCHURRO PROPERTY WHETHER IT GETS SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL USE OR REMAINS JUST PARK.

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WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE SPECIAL EVENTS, COULD MIND GROUP GATHERINGS. GENERATE REVENUE.

ENCOURAGE APPRECIATION OF FLORIDA AND NATURE AND WILDLIFE.

>> SO ERIC WHEN YOU SAY "WE" WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

>> THIS COMMITTEE. >> OKAY, SO I AGREE THAT ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE DESIGN OF THE PARK, HOWEVER THE CITY HAS HIRED A CONSULTING FIRM THAT SHOULD BE

ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES. >> WELL THEN F THAT'S THE CASE HOW DOES THAT SQUARE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH AND THE CITY COMMISSION SAID ABOUT WHAT THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD BE DOING.

>> SO I THINK WHAT THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD BE DOING IS PUTTING TOGETHER -- I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS A LONG WAY TOWARDS THAT IS IDENTIFYING THINGS THAT WE FIND AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMMUNITY IMPORTANT IN BEING ADDRESSED IN THIS PARK TO PROVIDE THEM SOME DIRECTION ON TOP OF -- I'M SURE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO 30 YEARS WORTH OF DRAWINGS FOR THIS PARK, BUT I THINK THAT OUR JOB IS THE COMMITTEE IS TO BRING THESE UP AS THINGS THAT'S NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BUT ULTIMATELY THE ENGINEERS AND THE CONSULTING FIRM SHOULD BE THE ONES GOING INTO THE WEEDS ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS THESE THINGS.

>> OKAY. I HAVE A MORE DESK QUESTION BECAUSE I'M SITTING HERE AND LOOKING AT THE OVERARCHING -- I'M TRYING TO BE BIG PICTURE HERE.

WE'VE GOT -- WE HAVE STARTED OUT WITH THIS WHOLE PLAN.

ALL THESE TASKS, PARKS, THINGS WE WANT TO DO OVERARCHING FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT. NOW WE PLANNERS ARE WE EXECUTERS? BECAUSE MY THOUGHT -- MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I CAME ON THIS COMMITTEE WAS THAT I WAS HELPING IN THE PLANNING PROCESS FOR ALL THESE VARIOUS PROJECTS.

AND LOOKING AT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO GET DONE AND MISS ROSS KEYED ME IN ON IT THE LAST MEETING I THOUGHT WAS VERY IMPORTANT. WHERE IS ALL THIS MONEY COMING FROM? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT -- I'M LIKE JEAN, I DON'T WANT TO WASTE MY TIME UP HERE ON SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN GO TO FUND. WE HAVE LIMITED TIME LET'S PRIORITIZE OUR WORK BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ALL DAY.

I WORK FOR A LIVING. I SEE YOU GUYS CAN COME TO THE MEETINGS DURING THE DAY, I CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE I HAVE BILLS TO

PAY. >> I WORK ALL WEEKEND.

>> SO I'M JUST -- I'M JUST KIND OF A LITTLE OVERWHELMED NOW BECAUSE I'M HEARING WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING ALL THIS, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT "WE" AND I'M THINKING ABOUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER PROJECTION THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING. IE THE BEACH PROJECT, THE CENTRAL PARK PROJECT, THE MLK PROJECT, THE PEG HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT AND NOW WE THREW IN THIS SIMMONS THING WHICH I UNDERSTAND ISN'T EVEN REALLY GOING TO BENEFIT THE CITY DWELLERS THAT

ARE PAYING THE TAXES TO DO THIS. >> YEP.

>> SO -- I'M A LITTLE DISHEARTENED WITH THE ENTIRE PROCESS BECAUSE WE'RE SPENDING A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY.

>> MM-HMM. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT THING IS HERE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL

I'M DOING UP HERE. >> RIGHT.

>> THIS SHORT LIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE WE EVER EVEN DREAM ABOUT GETTING TO A PARK. IT'S JUST MILLIONS AND MILLIONS

OF DOLLARS. >> RIGHT.

>> AND I AM LOOKING AT THIS LIST, THIS WHOLE LIST AND NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN FUNDED YET. I MEAN YOU MAYBE ONE THING HAS BEEN FUNDED, BUT MUCH OF THIS HASN'T EVEN BEEN FUNDED.

AND ONCE WE EVEN GET DOWN TO THE PART ABOUT HOW THE SHORELINE STABILIZATION IS GOING TO GET PAID FOR.

THEY HAVE TO PUT THE FLOOD PROTECTION IN.

THERE IS A STORM WATER SYSTEM THAT HAS TO GO IN.

THERE IS JUST TONS OF STUFF THAT HAS TO BE DONE FIRST. IT'S

GOING TO TAKE YEARS. >> RIGHT.

>> AND THAT'S MY POINT INITIALL- >> THIS WHOLE BOARD IS GOING TO CHANGE BEFORE THEY EVER GET TO A PARK.

>> THAT'S MY WHOLE POINT WE'RE TRYING TO DO ONE OVER THE WORLD AND I DON'T FEEL VERY EFFECTIVE AT DOING IT.

MY CONCERN IS WHAT REALLY -- IF WE WANT TO DO SIMMONS PARK, IF THAT'S THE PLAN THEN SOMEBODY DIRECT GIVE US SOME DIRECTION TO SAY -- BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I'M SPINNING MY WHEELS HERE.

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>> THAT'S MY POINT TOO. >> IT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT AND HE IS THE CONUNDRUM THAT WE HAVE FIVE COMMISSIONERS, ALL WITH FIVE INDIVIDUAL INTERESTS PROVIDING DIRECTIVE.

THE STAFF COULD NOT AND SHOULD NOT PROVIDE US DIRECTIVE.

>> RIGHT. >> SO IT'S UP TO US.

>> RIGHT, SO IT'S UP TO US AND I'M SITTING HERE SAYING I DON'T WANT TO KEEP GETTING PULLED IN 50 DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE OUR WORK, AND WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE OUR WORK AND WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH BASED ON WHAT WE THINK WE CAN RELATIVELY GET DONE. THE GENTLEMAN HERE FROM 8 FLAGS PRETTY MUCH SAID IT, AND SAID YOU GUYS ARE IN GOVERNMENT AND YOU DON'T REALLY GOOD ANYTHING DONE.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I THINK WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE, AND THOSE GOVERNMENTS THAT PRIORITIZE AND MAKE SURE THEY HIT THEIR CERTAIN KEY THINGS GET THINGS DONE, AND WE NEED TO GET THINGS DONE THAT ARE ON THE PEOPLE'S AGENDAS, NOT OURS.

>> RIGHT. >> AND I -- I'M HERE I FEEL LIKE I'M FLOUNDERING GOING FROM ONE PROJECT TO ANOTHER, I'M LIKE OKAY, WHAT'S THE OVERARCHING PLAN HERE.

>> ALSO, I WOULD BE HESITANT TO DO IT UNTIL WE IDENTIFY A

PROCESS. >> A PROCESS, RIGHT?

>> WHICH WE DID NOT HAVE UNTIL SIMMONS SO WHAT ARE WE DOING

HERE. >> SO I THINK EVERYTHING WE COME UP WITH TODAY IS WE'RE LEADING BACK TO -- I DO WANT TO GIVE OUR PERSON WHO CAME FOR -- WHO WANTS TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT IN REGARD TO THE WATERFRONT PARK, BUT I THINK I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE AS A BOARD UNTIL WE GET THE BYLAWS AND THE WORK PLAN DONE. SO LET'S PLAN TO MAKE THAT PRIORITY WITH THE MEETING AND THEN NEXT MONTH WE WILL WORK THROUGH THE WORK PLAN AND THE MASTER PLAN I THINK IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT, AND GIVE US ALL A LITTLE TIME TO --

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY I WOULD ASK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO STILL BE PREPARED TO COME IN -- WITH

THEIR IDEAS. >> AND WE ALSO NEED CLARIFICATION OF ROLES BECAUSE IF -- ISN'T OUR LIAISON WE NEED

TO UNDERSTAND THAT. >> WELL NAN IS OUR STAFF

LIAISON. >> WELL I HEARD HER SAY EARLIER THAT'S NOT HER JOB BECAUSE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO PRESENT OUR INFORMATION AT THE --

>> THAT'S OUR COMMISSIONER WHO IS OUR COMMISSION LIAISON.

>> OKAY, WELL WHAT HAPPENED. >> EXCELLENT QUESTION.

>> AND I ACTUALLY HAD ASKED COUNCIL IF THERE IS SOME KIND OF WRITTEN DOCUMENT, A RESOLUTION OR POLICY THAT LAYS OUT WHAT YOUR COMMISSIONERS ROLE IS AS LIAISON.

>> RIGHT. >> SO HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AS A LIAISON.

>> AND THESE ARE NOT OUR LIAISONS.

>> NO I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT THEY ARE TO OTHER COMMITTEES.

SO IS THERE SOMETHING THAT DEFINED IT? HERE'S WHAT YOU DO AS A LIAISON, OR IS IT JUST IN NAME? TO YOUR POINT. I ASKED IF THERE WAS --

>> GREAT QUESTION. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND

HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. >> I THINK THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK NEEDS TO SPEAK ON THE WATERFRONT PARK AND HE MAY GIVE

US SOME DIRECTION. >> YES, YES.

MR. MILLS. >> HI, ALAN MILLS, 1425 BROOM STREET ALSO A MEMBER OF THE MARINE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU ALL HAVE A LOT MORE PULL THAN WE DO.

TWO AND A HALF DECADES AGO WITH MS. WHITTAKER, AND BACK THEN WE DIDN'T HAVE THE BUILDING THAT'S GOING ON NOW BACK THEN.

NOW YOU HAVE A 438-ROOM HOTEL FIXING TO COME IN DOWN HERE.

THE ISLAND IS FIXING TO HAVE SIX LANES COMING ON IT.

WE NEED MORE PARKING DOWN HERE. THE MARINA HASN'T BEEN IN FULL FUNCTION IN THREE YEARS SO THE PARKING IS FULL WITHOUT THE MARINA BEING FULL. YOU WAIT UNTIL THIS OPENS UP, THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE UNREAL.

LAST WEEK MY CLIENTS HAD TO PARK ON FOURTH STREET JUST TO GET TO THE BOAT. THEY HAD TO DROP PEOPLE OFF AND PARK UP HERE. WE NEED MORE PASSENGER.

I UNDERSTAND THEIR FIXING THE SIMMONS PROPERTY, EXTEND THE BULKHEAD OUT, AND RECLAIM THE LAND WE LOST IN FRONT OF THE ADVENTURA BUILDING, SO THE WATER DOESN'T COME UP ON HIGH TIDE ON FRONT STREET. EXTEND THE PARKING LOT TO THE NORTH AND UTILIZE THE BEST PART ON THE ISLAND THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY RECOGNITION AND THAT'S PARKING LOT C AND D.

THE BEST SUNSET, WITH SHRIMP BOATS, WITH THE MARINA, AND EVERYBODY SCREAMIC AT THESE MEETINGS, WE NEED A PICTURE OF A

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SHRIMP BOAT. IT'S THERE.

IT DOESN'T COST THE CITY TO HAVE IT.

WORKING SHRIMP DOCK, OUR MARINA IS GETTING BACK FULL AGAIN, AND WE HAVE AT LOW TIED, AND AT MEAN LOW TIED THERE IS A GOOD 7 FEET THERE, AND THAT'S NEVER BEEN THERE BEFORE.

AND THAT'S WITHOUT ANY BOATS IN THERE AT THREE MONTHS AFTER THEY DREDGED IT. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED MORE PARKING. THEY HAD A CONCERT IN PARKING LOT C AND D WITH THE HONEY BADGERS, AFTER THE LIGHTING, THAT PARKING LOT WAS FULL. AT THE LIGHTING THEY STARTED THE BAND AND IT WAS A COUPLE HUNDRED PEOPLE AFTER I LEFT.

WHEN I LEFT AFTER 20 MINUTES PEOPLE WERE WALKING FROM TOWN GOING THERE. AND YOU KNOW WHAT WAS AWESOME ABOUT IT. THE CITY LIGHTS -- YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE STAGE AND THE CITY.

IT WAS AWESOME, A GREAT PLAN FOR SOUNDS ON CENTER, NO PROBLEM WITH PARKING, YOU'RE NOT TAKING UP ROADS.

WE UTILIZE THE PARK WE HAVE. PUT OUR LITTLE BIT OF MONEY, DRESS IT UP AND WE'LL SAVE THE CITY MILLIONS.

AND I HOPE YOU ALL LISTEN AND I HOPE THE COMMISSION LISTENS, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE WATERFRONT COMMISSION WANTS IS MORE PARKING, NOT LESS PARKING. THEY WANT TO MOVE TO 50 PARKING SPOTS AND GIVE US 60 -- THEY'VE TAKEN PARKING FROM THE HISTORICAL BUILDING DOWN THERE, THAT WAS 9 OR 10.

WHEN THEY FIX THE BULK HEADS YOU'RE LOOKING AT $4 MILLION OR MORE TO GET EVERYTHING RIGHT TO PUT A PARK THERE.

YOU CAN PUT A LITTLE BIT OF PARK THEE WITH A PALM TREE OR TWO, AND 50 OR 60 MORE CARS IT'S GOING TO HELP US OUT A BUNCH.

THE CITY, THE DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS.

THE PEOPLE, EVERYBODY. THE TDC SAID THE MAIN THING PEOPLE COME HERE TO THIS ISLAND FOR IS NOT PARKS, IT'S FOR THE BEACHES, AND RECREATION. THAT MEANS DINNER AT NIGHT DOWNTOWN, THAT MEANS THE BEACHES DURING THE DAY.

SO WE NEED TO WORK ON OUR WALK-OVERS AND PARKING.

THANK YOU. >> YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE I DO BELIEVE IT SAYS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A HALF A SPACE PARKING SPACE FOR EACH SLIP, SO YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

>> WELL RIGHT NOW IT'S 40 PARKING PLACES FOR 100 -- SO THAT WILL TAKE UP ONE PARKING AREA PARKING LOT B.

NOW -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO PULL IT BACK UP OR NOT BUT ALL OF THE ACCESS TO -- IN WHIC0 SLIPS TAKEN AWAY BUT 7 OF THEM ARE IN C AND D, THE REST OF THE 60 IS IN A AND B, IS WHERE THE PARKING SPOTS WILL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM.

JOE SPRINGER TOLD ME THERE WAS 100.

FOR WHATEVER WE HAVE HE SAID WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE 100 PARKING SPOTS THERE. AND THE OLD MARINA WAS SPREAD OUT SO PEOPLE COULD PARK AT DIFFERENT VARIOUS PLACES, AB, AND C AND D. NOW, ALL SIX RAMPS ARE LOCATED AT -- IN BETWEEN PARKING LOT A AND B.

SO THE OLD DESIGN THEY'RE SHOWING WITH THE MARINA PARK IS FROM THE OLD DESIGN. IT'S NOT SHOWING WHERE EVERYBODY HAS TO GO AT BRETT'S AND GET FIGURED IT OUT FROM THERE.

IT'S THE NEW WILL YOU TELL OF THE MARINA.

THE DINGHY DOCK IS ACCESSED FROM PARKING LOT D.

IT'S THE ONLY ONE. >> THANK YOU.

>> SO 67 SLIPS WOULD EQUATE TO 105 PARKING SPOTS, ACCORDING

TO -- >> A HALF A SPACE PER SLIP.

>> OH, A HALF A SPACE PER SLIP, I THOUGHT YOU SAID A SPACE AND A HALF. A HALF A SPACE PER SLIP.

OKAY. SO THEY'RE ONLY AUTHORIZED WHAT -- 30? IF THERE IS 67?

>> 35 MAYBE. >> 33?

>> SO PLANNING WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

OKAY. >> ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON?

>> YEAH, AND JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT AS A COMMITTEE YOU DON'T WANT TO DEAL

WITH THE -- IS THAT RIGHT? >> NO I DIDN'T SAY THAT I SAID WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE OUR EFFORTS BECAUSE WE'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE. WE NEED TO -- WE'LL WORK ON WHATEVER WE NEED TO WORK ON, I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT

PASTINGWASTING OUR TIME UP HERE. >> OKAY.

>> I HAVE A THIRD SLIDE THAT MAYBE -- MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T DO

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IT. >> ALL THOSE ELEMENTS FROM

200 -- >> WELL WE'RE NOT GOING TO FORGET IT. WE'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE IT ON FOR ANOTHER AGENDA. DOES THAT SOUND GOOD TO

EVERYBODY? >> MM-HMM.

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>> SO LAST THING WE HAVE UNDER OTHER BUSINESS IS MEMBER APPLICATION REVIEWS WE HAVE NUMBER -- I THOUGHT SHE WOULD BE HERE BECAUSE WE'RE TO DISCUSS HER TERM AS RENEWING.

WE NEED TO WAIT FOR HER TO BE HERE.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR HER BECAUSE SHE

WOULDN'T VOTE ANYWAY. >> SO MEMBER B WOULD LIKE TO RENEW HER TERM. SO WE NEED TO DISCUSS A VOTE ON THAT AS WELL AS WE HAVE ONE OPEN SEAT AVAILABLE AND TWO APPLICATIONS. SO, WE.

>> YOU ONLY HAVE ONE -- >> RIGHT?

>> WE HAVE TWO. >> YEAH -- WE HAVE TWO SEATS

OPEN. >> ONE SEAT OPEN.

>> ONE. >> WE HAVE ONE OPEN SEAT AND MEMBER BEHAN'S SEAT WHICH SHE DOES WISH TO RENEW.

>> AND THEN WE CAN HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE.

>> NO THERE'S NOTHING IN THE PLAN FOR AN ALTERNATIVE.

>> THAT'S ONLY IF WE WENT TO 5. >> WE WOULD HAVE TWO AUTISMS.

>> SO WE DON'T HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE AT THIS TIME.

>> SO CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND JOY CONTINUE ON THE

COMMITTEE? >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> SECOND. >> OKAY.

>> ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE.

>> ALL OPPOSE? SO SHE WASN'T HERE TO MAKE HER CASE SO NOW JOY IS STUCK WITH US FOR ANOTHER YEAR.

SO THE OTHER IS WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS, ONE FROM AND APOLOGIZE IF I GET THIS WRONG ALEXANDER LAJOUX, AND ANOTHER FROM ORLANDO VILLA. DO I HAVE A -- DO WE HAVE DISCUSSION OR MOTION TO RECOMMEND?

>> I MAKE A MOTION JUST FOR POINT OF DISCUSSION TO NOMINATE

MISS LAJOU X. >> I WOULD SECOND THAT.

>> SHE SECONDED IT. >> ANY DISCUSSION?

>> DO WE WANT TO CALL A VOTE OR DO WE HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION.

>> THE ONLY THING I WOULD MENTION IS MR. AVILA APPLIED BEFORE MISS LAJUOX DID BUT NOT THAT THAT MATTERS.

>> OKAY JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHY MISS LAJUOX.

>> FOR ME YOU'RE ASKING? >> AND THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD TO HAVE SOMEONE FROM A DIFFERENT AREA OF THE CITY THAT HAS NOT BEENDBEEN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD I THOUGHT THE BACKGROUND WAS VERY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OF OURS AND SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BRING

ANOTHER DIMENSION. >> SHE HAS A 5-YEAR-OLD GRANDSON

HERE. >> AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A DIFFERENT BACKGROUND WITH MAYBE SOME --

>> DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE OTHER GENTLEMAN?

>> YES. I DO.

>> I DON'T SO I DON'T HAVE ANY --

>> I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE -- >> HE'S VERY ACTIVE POLITICALLY IN CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS AND HIS APPLICATION WAS SPONSORED BY

COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN. >> OKAY.

>> THAT'S ALL. >> I DON'T KNOW EITHER ONE OF

THEM SO. >> EITHER DO I SO I'M LOOKING TO

YOUR JUDGMENT. >> I KNOW BOTH OF THEM.

>> SO DO WE WANT TO TAKE A VOTE. >> TAKE A VOTE?

>> DO WE WANT TO CALL THE VOTE ALICIA OR DO ALL IN FAVOR OF

A -- >> ALL IN FAVOR.

>> AYE. >> I.

AYE.>> OKAY, SO MS. LAJUOX WE RECOMMEND HER FOR APPROVAL TO THE PARKS AND RECADVISORY COUNCIL WHICH IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION.

ANY OTHER BUSINESS? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

>> I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO THE REGARDING THE WATERFRONT -- THE

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STEERING COMMITTEE THAT THE CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE AND HDC,

AND PAV, REGARDING WATERFRONT. >> YES.

>> WHAT IS THAT STEERING COMMITTEE GOING TO DO?

>> I DO NOT KNOW AT THIS TIME, I DO KNOW I WAS INVITE FOR A FIRST ROUND OF INFORMATIONAL SESSIONS ONE ON THREE WITH MARQUIS, LADAMER, AND HALBAC, AND THAT IS ALL I KNOW AT THIS TIME THAT I MET WITH THEM, THEY JUST ASKED A FEW VERY HIGH-LEVEL QUESTIONS IT WAS MAYBE A 30-MINUTE MEETING, AND I THINK THEY MET WITH EACH PERSON THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE SEPARATELY, AND THAT'S ALL, I HAVE NO INFORMATION ABOUT COMMITTEE MEETINGS OR WHO THOSE OTHER PEOPLE ARE.

>> MEMBER BARTELT, I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DOING ALL OF THIS PREP WORK THAT IS REALLY AMAZING WHAT YOU DO.

AND ONE THING THAT YOU BROUGHT UP -- IT WAS ABOUT THE COUNTY BEING PART OF OUR FUNDING PROCESS.

IS THERE -- IS PART OF OUR WORK PROCESS COULD WE DEVELOP A PROCESS WHEREBY WE GO TO THE COUNTY AND ASK FOR FUNDING? THEY DO. I WENT TO THEIR WEBSITE, THEY ARE COLLECTING IMPACT FEES FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.

THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.

THEY HAVE NO PARK PLAN. MAYBE WE COULD HELP THEM OUT WITH THEIR MONEY.

>> AND THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE A NEED FOR PARKS WE SHOULD BE GOING TO THEM AND SAYING -- WE HAVE PLANS FOR THESE PARKS.

WE WILL SAVE YOU A LOT OF MONEY IF YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE.

WE CAN MATCH SOME OF THESE FUNDS.

SO, IN A -- I'M NOT SURE HOW WE DO THAT, PERHAPS MISS VOIT COULD ASK MR. MARTIN IF THERE IS A PROCESS --

>> THAT I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO ASK -- THE CITY ATTORNEY

BECAUSE. >> BRAD?

>> AS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO THE COMMISSION I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN REPRESENT THEM AT A COUNTY MEETING.

>> RIGHT. >> NOW AS A CITY RESIDENT -- YOU

CERTAINLY CAN. >> I AM A COUNTY RESIDENT.

>> YOU ARE, WE'RE ALL COUNTY RESIDENTS TOO.

SO, YES, I CAN ASK MRS. BACH, AND I'LL SEND AN EMAIL OUT TO ALL OF YOU SO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER.

>> THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE. >> BUT WHAT I MENTIONED IS KIND OF WHAT I'M THINKING IS THE THING --

>> RIGHT. >> WE CAN STILL TAKE THEIR

MONEY, CAN'T WE? >> WE CAN ABSOLUTELY AND

WILLINGLY WILL TAKE ANY MONEY. >> A PIECE OF LAND OVER THERE BY

THE SOCCER FIELD. >> YEAH AND MEMBER -- YOU TALKED ABOUT PRIORITIES AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU GET A PROJECT THAT HAS A LOT OF COUNTY MEMBERSHIP AROUND IT, THEY REALLY SHOULD BE DROPPED FURTHER DOWN THE LIST, AND WE ASK THEM FOR MONEY.

YOU KNOW -- WE ALL PAY, AND IT'G RECREATIONAL FACILITIES TO KIDS IN THE COUNTY BUT AT SOME POINT WE REALLY ARE RUNNING OUT OF MONEY. WE JUST DON'T -- WE REALLY ARE RUNNING OUT OF MONEY. FAST.

SO -- >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

>> OKAY. >> ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE?

>> NOPE. >> I MOVE WE ADJOURN.

>> I HAVE A HEADACHE. >> I'LL SECOND IT.

>> ALL RIGHT. MEETING AUNDE

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.