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>> MAYOR MILLER: FOLKS GO AHEAD AND CALL TO ORDER. WELCOME. MAKE SURE YOUR CELL PHONES ARE TURNED OFF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS THE -- WE'RE CALLING TO ORDER THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING. IT IS DECEMBER 3, 2019, 6:00 P.M.

MADAM CLERK IF YOU COULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. IF WE COULD PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLE ALLEGIANCE. IF YOU WOULD REMAIN STANDING. TONIGHT'S INVOCATION IS BY PASTER DWAYNE CAMPBELL OF ELM STREET CHURCH OF GOD.

>> AMEN. LET US PRAY. ETERNAL GOD OUR FATHER WE THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO ASSEMBLE TONIGHT.

WE PLAY THAT WHATEVER IS SAID AND DONE BE DONE FOR YOUR HONOR AND GLORY. WE PRAY YOU WILL GIVE US WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING FOR THE GOVERNING BODY OF THIS CITY AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS THAT WILL IMPACT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY. WE PRAY THAT YOU WILL GIVE THEM THE INSIGHT AND THE NECESSARY WISDOM TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS THAT ARE WISE, THAT ARE FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE PRAY THAT YOU WILL ALLOW THEM TO DO THOSE THINGS IN HARMONY AND IN YOUR WILL. WE PRAY FOR YOUR DIVINE GUIDANCE ON TONIGHT. IN GEES'S NAME WE -- JESUS'S NAME WE PRAY.

AMEN. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR WE DO HAVE ONE PROCLAMATION

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TONIGHT. IF I COULD GET MR. MARK HOMANS. HOW ARE YOU SIR. WELCOME. COME ON UP.

WELCOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WHEREAS ATHE FERNANDINA BEACH ADVANCED MATERIALS FACILITY WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1937 AND FOR THE PAST 80 YEARS HAVE PROUDLY EMPLOYED THREE GENERATIONS OF CITY, COUNTY AND REGIONAL RESIDENTS WHO ENJOY SALARY AND BENEFITS IN EXCESS OF $90 MILLION ANNUALLY. TODAY THE PLANT PRODUCES 155,000 METRIC TONS OF SOFT WOOD PER YEAR AND CONTRIBUTES $35 MILLION ANNUALLY TO FLORIDA'S WAGES AN SALARIES AND 2 MILLION TO FLORIDA PROPERTY TAXES. WHEREAS RAYONIER IS ONE OF FERNANDINA BEACH'S LARGEST EMPLOYERS. THEY EMPLOY 300-PLUS DEDICATED INDIVIDUALS AND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR INDIRECTLY PROVIDING THOUSANDS OF JOBS IN THE LOGGING, TRUCKING, CONTRACTING, FORESTRY, SERVICE AND MAINTENANCE INDUSTRIES. WHEREAS, RA RAYONIER AND ITS EMPLOYEES GENEROUS CONTRIBUTE COUNTLESS HOURS AND FUNDING TO PROVIDE STEWARDSHIP, SCHOLARSHIPS AND POSITIONS BY SERVING AS COACHES, MENTORS, TUTORS AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR VARIOUS PROGRAMS IN HUMAN SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS. WHEREAS RAYONIER IS COMMITTED TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP AS DEMONSTRATED BY THEIR LEGACY OF ADD HERING TO THE HIGH STANDARDS BY PROVIDE ENERGY THE PERMITTED OPERATING STANDARDS AND GENERATING RENEWABLE SOURCE ENERGY. WHEREAS IT IS FITTING AND PROPER ON THIS 80TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH PLANT TO RECOGNIZE THE REMARKABLE IMPACT THE PLANT HAS ON THE CITY, NASSAU COUNTY AND ACROSS FLORIDA AND SOUTHEAST GEORGIA. NOW THEREFORE I, JOHN MILLER, BY THE VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY IN ME DO RECOGNIZE THE CITY'S SINCERE APPRECIATION TO THEIR FERNANDINA BEACH PLANT AND COMMEND THEIR DEDICATED LEADERSHIP, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP AND CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY. VERY IMPRESSIVE.

CONGRATULATIONS.

>> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU. >> JUST A FEW REMARKS THEN I WILL LET YOU GET ON TO YOUR AGENDA. WAYNE PETERSON WILL ALSO HAVE A FEW WORDS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MERLE AND COMMISSIONERS. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS MARK HOMANS. I'M THE GM OF THE PLANT. I'VE BEEN AN EMPLOYEE AND CITY RESIDENT FOR 20 YEARS. IT HAS BEEN A BLESSING TO LIVE AND TO WORK IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR JUST ONE QUARTER OF OUR PLANT HISTORY. AS MENTIONED OUR PLANT HISTORY STARTED WITH AN INVITATION IN 1937. FROM THEN MAYOR GELLY AND CITY MANAGER ANDERSON FOLLOWING A DIFFICULT TIME WITH THE GREAT DEPRESSION IN A SLOW DOWN OF THE SHRIMPING

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INDUSTRY THE COMPANY ACCEPTED THE INVITATION AND STARTED CONSTRUCTION IN 1937 EMPLOYING MANY RESIDENTS. OUR FIRST DAY OF PRODUCTION WAS DECEMBER 5, 1939. THIS WEEK WE CELEBRATE 80 YEARS AS A FERNANDINA RESIDENT EMPLOYING 300 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES IN HIGH PIEING JOBS WITH A VARIETY OF CAREER OPTIONS. INDIRECTLY SUPPORTING AN ESTIMATED 1,200 LOCAL JOBS.

75 PERCENT OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE RESIDENTS OF NASSAU COUNTY AND 50% HAVE THE 32034 ZIP CODE. ON BEHALF OF RAYONIER WE THANK THE CITY AND OUR NEIGHBORS FOR RECOGNIZING OUR CONTRIBUTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

STREET. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE CITY FOR OVER 50 YEARS. WORKING AT RAYONIER FOR OVER 20 YEARS. A GREAT COMPANY. I'M AN OPERATOR TOO OUT THERE. I AM ON THE LOCAL PRESIDENT OF 395 UNITED STEEL WORKERS AND ON BEHALF OF THE STEEL WORKERS OF 395, 766 AND IBW WE WANT TO THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MAKE THE PROCLAMATION. HAT OFFS TO YOU MAYOR MILLER, COMMISSIONER AND VICE MAYOR KREGER. THANK YOU AGAIN.

PRETTY GOOD FOR 80 BY THE WAY I DON'T SEE A DOG IN THE AUDIENCE SO I THINK THAT THE NASSAU HUMANE SOCIETY WAS TOO BUSY TONIGHT. BUT IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THE CITY'S DOG IT'S AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER BY THE

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AIRPORT. 4.3 A PRESENTATION FROM THE FERNANDINA FISH MAIN STREET PROGRAM. MAYOR MILL FILKOFF IS HERE TO PROVIDE A SYNOPSIS OF PROJECTS OCCURRING WITHIN FOUR MAIN STREET

COUNCILS. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS QUARTERLY FOR THE FIRST QUARTER FISCAL YEAR 2019/2020. IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY FOR ME TO REMEMBER. WE HAD THIS QUARTER THE FINAL AND COMPLETE IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR FORMAL WAY FINDING PROGRAM. THE NEW GATEWAY SIGN AT THE TOP OF CENTER STREET, TABLE TOP MATS STANDARDIZING ON ONE-WAY SIGNS WHICH IS STILL COMING AND THE BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT YOU HAVE FOR TONIGHT IS A CARRYOVER FROM THAT. SO IT'S NOT ANYTHING NEW. WE JUST CARRIED THAT OVER THIS YEAR. THE EVENT THAT WE HAD AT THE COURTHOUSE A WHILE BACK TO CELEBRATE THE 1970S PROJECT THAT REVITALIZED DOWNTOWN WAS A HUGE SUCCESS. JUDGE FOSTER CAME OUT OF RETIREMENT TO BE IN THE SPOTLIGHT WHICH I GUESS IS ONE OF THE REASONS HE LIKES TO COME OUT OF RETIREMENT. GAVE TOURS OF THE COURTHOUSE SINCE HE WAS VERY INVOLVED IN THE HUGE RESTORATION PROJECT FOR THAT BUILDING. HE'S VERY PROUD OF IT.

RIGHTFULLY SO. WE ALSO HAD A PANEL DISCUSSION OF FOLKS WHO WERE EITHER INVOLVED DIRECTLY OR INVOLVED THROUGH DNA WITH THE REVITALIZATION PROJECT IN THE '70S. SO, MR. JACOBS WAS THERE, SUSAN STEIGER WAS THERE BECAUSE HER MOM WAS THE CHAIR OF THE RESTORATION FOUNDATION WHEN THE PROJECT HAPPENED. WE HAVE KEVIN MCCARTHY. SAL CA MELA. AND SUZANNE TAMM WHO JOINED US FOR A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE VISION THAT THESE FOLKS HAD IN THE '70S ON THEIR OWN -- THIS WAS A PRIVATE GROUP THAT DECIDED THAT DOWNTOWN WAS DYING AND THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SO WE ALL OWE THIS GROUP A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF THANKS FOR WHAT THEY DID FOR OUR DOWNTOWN DISTRICT TO BRING IT BACK AND TO CELEBRATE OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN.

THE BIG QUESTION POSED AT THAT PANEL DISCUSSION WAS: COULD IT HAPPEN TODAY? AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT. THIS WAS NOT GOVERNMENT SPONSORED. ALTHOUGH GOVERNMENT HAD TO COOPERATE AND HAD TO AGREE. IT WAS A GROUP OF PEOPLE MAKING IT HAPPEN AS A 501(C)(3). SO THAT'S HOPEFULLY WHAT WE'RE CARRYING ON, THE SPIRIT OF THAT WITH THE MAIN STREET PROGRAM TODAY. THE PAJAMA DAY PARTY WAS SUCCESSFUL FOR DOWNTOWN. HFBA AND PAJAMA

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DAY WERE TWO ORGANIZERS AND IT WENT OFF WITHOUT A HITCH. AND TONS OF PEOPLE CAME DOWNTOWN.

THEY HAD A GREAT TIME. WE HAD A GREAT COSTUME -- WELL NOT COSTUME, PAJAMA CONTEST.

ALTHOUGH SOME LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE IN COSTUMES. ANYWAY, IT WAS GREAT FUN. WE HAD FOLKS FROM ALL OVER THE STATE THAT CAME FOR IT. ACTUALLY PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE TOO. SO IT WAS WONDERFUL. THIS QUARTER WE HAVE BEEN COORDINATING FUNDING OF A BOOK THAT WILL BE PUBLISHED A BOOK WRITTEN BY SUZANNE TAMM. THE TITLE IS SAVING FERNANDINA 1972-1978 AND IT DETAILS OF THE HISTORY OF THAT PROJECT IN THE '70S AND WENT WHAT ON, HOW THE FUNDING WAS ATTAINED AND WHAT BUSINESSES WERE DOWN HERE WORKING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. SO I THINK ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES GOING FORWARD, THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEN AND NOW IS THAT ALMOST ALL OF THE BUSINESSES IN THE '70S WERE THE SAME PEOPLE OWN THAT BUSINESS THAT OWNED THE PROPERTY THEY RESIDED IN. WHICH IS NOT 100% TRUE TODAY. IN FACT, IT'S PRETTY MUCH FLIPPED. THERE ARE VERY FEW BUSINESSES OWNED BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO OWN THE BUILDING THEY'RE IN. SO, BACK THEN PEOPLE WERE INVESTED IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY LIVED HERE. THEY WERE INVESTED IN THEIR BUSINESS AND IN THEIR PROPERTY. SO, THIS CHANGE PRESENTS US WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT KIND OF A CHALLENGE. WE WILL BE AFTER THE BOOK LAUNCH ON DECEMBER 7TH, WE WILL BE SELL COPIES SO KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE IT IS A GREAT HOLIDAY GIFT IDEA FOR ALL OF YOU TO BUY A COPY OF THAT BOOK. THE PROCEEDS FROM THE SALES OF THE BOOK WILL BE SPLIT BETWEEN MAIN STREET, THE RESTORATION FOUNDATION, AND THE MUSEUM. WE COMPLETED A RECOMMENDATION FOR EXPANDING THE MAIN STREET BOUNDARIES AND PRESENTED IT TO OUR BOARD AND THEY HAVE ACCEPTED IT. WE'RE WAITING TO BE SCHEDULED FOR YOUR REVIEW. A CRITICAL STEP FOR US IS THAT REVIEW HERE BEFORE WE CAN GO AHEAD FOR STATE APPROVAL. SO WE MOST DEFINITELY HAVE TO PUT IN TO PLACE A HUGE COMMUNICATION PLAN FOR THOSE AREAS THAT WOULD BE EXPANDED INTO IF WE WERE TO GO FORWAR WITH THOSE. WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY WITH OUR FIRST IMPLEMENTATION BACK IN 2016. WE DID NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A COMMUNICATION PLAN. SO WE SAW SOME NEGATIVE IMPACT FROM NOT HAVING THAT. SO WE RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO DO IT AND WE WILL DEFINITELY PUT TONS OF RESOURCETHAT. WE CONDUCTED SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH A SMALL GROUP OF RESTAURANT ORDERS WHO WERE CONSIDERING FORMATION OF A MORE FORMAL RESTAURANT GROUP. SOME WILL BE INVOLVED TOMORROW WITH COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH. WE'RE GIVING HIM FEEDBACK ON THE PLASTIC STRAW DISCUSSION AS WELL AS OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THEM. THIS PAST WEEKEND WE SPONSORED AND COORDINATED THE ISLAND SOCK EVENT. WHICH SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER, THERE HAD ORIGINALLY, AS PART OF THE SOUNDS ON CENTER PROGRAM, THERE HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN A WOODSTOCK ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION PLANNED. UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO BAD WEATHER THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO HAVE THE THAT EVENT. AND HFBA WAS NOT ABLE TO RESCHEDULE IT. SO WE SPONSORED THAT. WE SPONSORED IT AT PARKING LOT C AT THE WATERFRONT. WE HAD A GREAT TURNOUT. THERE WAS AN AMAZINGLY LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. MANY OF THEM DRESSED IN WOODSTOCK TIE-DYE AND HIPPY GARB. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MUD. AND WE MADE SURE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MUD. BUT WE DID GET SOME FEEDBACK AND LEARNING THAT WILL BE OF INTEREST TO THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS WHO ARE WORKING ON THE DESIGN OF THE WATERFRONT IN TERMS OF A PERFORMANCE VENUE AND WHAT YOU REALLY NEED DOWN THERE. IT'S NOT MISSING MUCH. THE LIGHTING THAT'S COMING IN, WE WERE JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR AHEAD OF IT. BUT THAT LIGHTING AS WELL AS PERHAPS LOOKING AT BATHROOMS LOCATED DOWN THERE ARE THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT FOLKS WERE MISSING FOR A PERFORMANCE VENUE. SO, IF THAT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THAT AREA, THOSE WERE OUR TWO FINDINGS.

SECOND QUARTER OBJECTIVES. THE INTEGRATED PLANNING ACROSS COUNCILS. WE DIDN'T QUITE MAKE THAT IN FOURTH QUARTER. THERE WAS TOO MUCH GOING ON. I NEED TO SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT I

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THINK. WE HAVE TO GET MORE OF A DETAILED PLAN FOR THE DESIGN DOWNTOWN LOOKING AT LIGHTING, SIDEWALKS, ET CETERA AND WE WANT TO REPLANT TREES WHERE WE CAN AND WHERE THE ARBORIST HELPS US DETERMINE WHICH OF THE PEAR TREES ARE IN THE GREATEST JEOPARDY RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE A SPONSOR FOR ANOTHER MAIN STREET SOCIAL EVENT. I KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU ATTENDED THE EVENT AT SALTY PELICAN. WE HAVE A SPONSOR FOR THE ONE THAT'S COMING UP IN JANUARY AND WE'LL START PLANNING ON THAT. THE PURPOSE OF THOSE SOCIAL EVENTS IS TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT MAYBE STREET, WHAT IT IS WE'RE DOING, HELP EDUCATE FOLKS ON OUR MISSION AND WHAT IT IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE FROM MAIN STREET.

OUR BOARD STRATEGY SESSION IN FEBRUARY IS TO PUT IN PLACE A PLAN FOR FUTURE FUNDING AND ALSO SECESSION PLANNING. BOTH FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS AND FOR STAFF. STAFF WOULD BE ME. WE NEED TO GAIN APPROVAL FOR THE EXPANSION AND BEGIN LAYING THAT OUT. AND WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT A DIGITAL STRATEGY WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN RESOURCES TO DO. NOW WE NEED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. SO THAT DIGITAL STRATEGY WILL MAKE FAR BETTER USE OF OUR WEBSITE FOR MORE THINGS. IT WILL HAVE TO BE REWRITTEN IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. ALSO, MORE OF A DIGITAL STRATEGY AROUND OUR COMMUNICATIONS. SO THOSE ARE OUR GOALS FOR THE NEXT QUARTER PLUS WHATEVER YOU TELL US WE

NEED TO DO. ANY QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER: I HAVE ONE. YOU SAID YOU GOT AHEAD OF THE

LIGHTS. WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU MEAN? >> SPEAKER: I GOT AHEAD OF --

>> COMMISSIONER: WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LIGHTS AT WOODSTOCK. >> SPEAKER: WE JUST GOT THERE

BEFORE THE LIGHTS WERE IMPLEMENTED. >> COMMISSIONER: YOU DIDN'T HAVE

LIGHTING? >> SPEAKER: THE LIGHTING THAT WE HAD WAS PERFECT DURING THE CONCERT. WHERE WE COULD HAVE USED BETTER LIGHTING IS WHEN PEOPLE STARTED TO DISPERSE.

>> COMMISSIONER: DID THE LIGHTS GO OUT? >> SPEAKER: NO THEY'RE NOT

BRIGHT ENOUGH. >> COMMISSIONER: I SEE. THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: WE HAVE A LIGHT SHOW THAT WAS VERY COOL BUT IT WASN'T OPERATING WHEN THEY WERE READY

TO LEAVE. >> MAYOR MILLER: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK MAIN STREET FOR THAT PRESENTATION. I MEAN, THAT WAS A GREAT SOCIAL EVENT. THE MUSIC WAS FANTASTIC. AND I WAS JUST IMPRESSED WITH PEOPLE WERE SITTING ON THE BENCHES, SITTING ON THE GRASS. IT WAS JUST UNBELIEVABLE. AND I THINK, IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, A COUPLE OF TIMES THE BAND SORT OF MADE A STRAW POLL OF WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT OF THE VENUE AND IT GOT A ROUSING ROUND OF APPLAUSE.

SO, TO ALL THE PEOPLE INVOLVED FROM MAIN STREET THANK YOU FOR THAT EFFORT.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MAYOR MILLER: I'D ECHO THAT AS WELL. I THINK YOU WERE DANCING. YOU WERE STANDING NEXT TO ME

>> SPEAKER: YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO SEE THAT. >> MAYOR MILLER: BUT I WOULD AGREE. I MEAN, THE FEEDBACK I RECEIVED AFTER THAT VENUE WAS PEOPLE REALLY LIKED BEING ON THE GRASS AND BEING ABLE TO SIT DOWN ON THE GRASS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IT WAS REALLY, REALLY

POPULAR. >> SPEAKER: THE HONEY BADGERS ARE NOT TO BE CHALLENGED. I MEAN, THEY'RE EXCELLENT. AND THEY ALSO HAD AS PART OF THEIR DESIRE TO HAVE SOME NONPROFITS THERE WHO COULD SPLIT IN A 50/50 RAFFLE. SO WE SAW GREAT GENEROSITY IN TERMS OF PEOPLE BUYING THOSE TICKETS. AND WE COULD DIVVY IT UP AMONG THE NONPROFITS. THEN THE GENTLEMAN WHO WON THE OTHER HALF OF THE 50/50 DONATED HIS WINNINGS BACK TO THOSE NONPROFITS. SO IT WAS

A GREAT HOLIDAY SHARING SPIRIT. >> MAYOR MILLER: I HEARD THAT STORY. IT WAS NICE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN AREA TO SET THOSE TENTS UP AND YOU COULD MOVE AROUND AND STOP BY AND GET NOT ONLY TO PARTICIPATE IN DONATING BUT ALSO GET EDUCATED ON SOME OF THE PROGRAMS. THAT WAS

FANTASTIC. WELL DONE. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MAYOR MILLER: YES, MA'AM. I DON'T HAVE ANY REQUESTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM 5. THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. DOES ANYBODY OUT THERE HAVE ANYTHING BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY. ON TO SECTION 6.

>> HE IS TALKING ABOUT THOSE THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP. I KNOW BOTH OF YOU SIGNED UP.

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>> MAYOR MILLER: ITEM 6. A CONSENT AGENDA. DOES ANYBODY WANT SOMETHING PULLED OFF FOR

DISCUSSION OR DO I HAVE A MOTION. >> COMMISSIONER: A MOTION TO

ACCEPT. >> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH.

>> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: 3, 4 AND 5. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS MADE A

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MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A SECOND? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: APPARENTLY

NOT. >> OKAY. >> MAYOR MILLER: I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. OKAY. SO WE DO HAVE I'M SORRY 6.3, 6.4, 6.5 PULLED. DO WE HAVE A MOTION?

>> COMMISSIONER: I WANT TO PULL 6.6 ALSO. >> MAYOR MILLER: DO WE HAVE A

MOTION ON 6.1, 6.2 AND 6.7? >> COMMISSIONER: MOVE TO ACCEPT. >> COMMISSIONER: SECOND.

>> MAYOR MILLER: MR. KREGER I AM ASSUMING YOUR LIGHT IS ON NOT FOR THIS. MADAM CLERK IF YOU WOULD CALL THE VOTE PLEASE

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1929 FOR CED GREEN TECHNOLOGY MIAMI. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: IN LOOKING AT THE BID SHEETS I NOTICED WE'RE NOT TAKING THE LOW BID. THE LOW BID IS ACTUALLY ABOUT $31,500 LESS THAN THE BID THAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED. SO I HAD ASKED THAT MR. MANDRICK BE HERE. S THERE ANOTHER BID, I THINK IT'S 4, IN WHICH BETTO WAS ALSO THE LOW BID AT ABOUT $5,000. ALL TOLD THAT'S 40 GRAND. SO I JUST, IF JOHN YOU CAN WALK ME THROUGH, WHY WE'RE

NOT TAKING THE SAVING TAXPAYERS $40,000, I'D APPRECIATE IT. >> UTILITY RATE PAIRS. JOHN MANDRICK UTILITIES DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY. A COUPLE THINGS. WE HAD SOME LIVELY EMAILS WITH THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY ON OUR BID PROCEDURES WHEN WE GO TO PUT SOMETHING OUT FOR BID. WE HAVE A SPECIFICATION WE WRITE. AND IN THAT SPECIFICATION IT LISTED THE JENKO PANEL AND THE ACTUAL MODEL NUMBER AND IT SAID OR APPROVED EQUIVALENT. TYPICALLY, IN A BID PROCESS, WE GET QUESTIONS FROM PEOPLE, PERSPECTIVE BIDDERS. AND THEY SUBMIT A QUESTION BACK TO THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT WHICH IS MS. WANDA WEEKS. SHE WORKS FOR PAULINE. AND THOSE QUESTIONS ARE THEN ANSWERED THROUGH AN ADDENDUM PROCESS. IN THE ADDENDUM PROCESS ALL OF THE PERSPECTIVE BIDDERS GET TO SEE THE ANSWER. THAT WAY IT IS A FAIR AND LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.

THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY, WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THEIR BID THEY NEVER ASKED ANY QUESTIONS. WE DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL WE OPENED THE BIDS WHAT THEY BID WAS NOT WHAT WE ASKED FOR. THEY DID IT ON ALL THREE ITEMS. THE MOST GLARING ONE WAS THE BRACKETS THAT THEY BID ON. THE BRACKETS THEY BID ARE ON NOT WIND LOAD RATED. THEY'LL CRUMPLE LIKE A PIECE OF ALUMINUM FOIL.

EXTREMELY LIGHT WEIGHT. WE HAD SPECIFIED A HEAVY DUTY UNIRAC WHICH IS A THREE INCH WIDE BRACKET. THEIR BRACKET WAS ONLY LIKE ONE INCH AND IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO WORK. SO THEY CLEARLY -- THE COMPANY CLEARLY BID OR PUT THINGS IN THERE THAT WERE NOT THE SAME STANDARDS.

THEY DIDN'T ASK IF THEY WOULD MEET -- THAT IS THE MAJOR THING IS THAT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T ASK WE COULDN'T DO AN ADDENDUM PROCESS TO SAY EITHER IT WAS AN APPROVED EQUIVALENT OR NOT. IT DIDN'T GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT. SO I DIDN'T FEEL AFTER THE BIDS HAVE ALREADY OPENED -- BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY ELSE OUT THERE SELLS THE SAME PANEL AND THEY, WELL I COULD HAVE DONE IT FOR $50,000 CHEAPER. I MEAN, THAT'S THE OLD ACRONYM IS BAIT AND SWITCH. SO THAT'S KIND OF -- AND THEY DID THAT ON ALL THREE ITEMS. ONE OF THEM THEY WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL IN BEING THE LOWER ON WHICH WAS THE INVERTERS. WHICH I THINK IS 6.5. THE MIDDLE ONE. THE OTHER ONE WAS THE BRACKETS. THE PANELS THEY'RE LOWER. THE P PANELS AGAIN THEY DIDN'T GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY DURING THE BIDDING PROCESS SO I DIDN'T -- I ASKED OUR CITY ATTORNEY, I SENT HER AN EMAIL BASICALLY ASKING HER THE OPINION ON IT. BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO THROUGH A BID PROCESS NOW IT'S A VERY LEGALISTIC ITEM. AND TAMMI SENT AN EMAIL, SHE SAID THAT BASICALLY SHE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BUT IN THE FUTURE WE SHOULD SPECIFY, YOU

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KNOW, MORE DETAILS ON WHAT AN APPROVED EQUIVALENT IS AND THE PROCESS OF WHAT YOU DO TO GET AN APPROVED EQUIVALENT. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO--

>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. >> SPEAKER: IT GETS INTO A LEGAL QUESTION. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION OF THE PRODUCT AT THAT POINT. AT THAT POINT IT'S A QUESTION OF IS IT A LEGITIMATE BID OR NOT? AND THAT'S WHERE IT EXITED THE ENGINEERING REALM AND WENT OVER

TO THE LEGAL REALM. >> I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.

>> SPEAKER: AND I WILL SAY THIS MUCH IN TERMS OF THAT PANEL. BECAUSE I SENT A NUMBER OF THINGS BACK AND FORTH TO THE PEOPLE. THEY HAVE NO OTHER INSTALLATIONS IN FLORIDA. JENCO PANELS ARE PROBABLY GOING BE MADE IN CECIL FIELD RIGHT HERE IN SCRUBBINGS -- JACKSONVILLE.

THESE OTHER PANELS MADE IN CHINA SOMEWHERE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE. AND I DON'T WHEN I ASK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR FUTURE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT -- I DIDN'T GET ALL THE INFORMATION I WANTED. SO, YOU KNOW, BUT THE FIRST STEP IS THEY DIDN'T MEET THE LEGAL

REQUIREMENT OF THE BID PROCESS. >> COMMISSIONER: I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU FOR WALKING ME THROUGH

THAT. >> MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I WAS GOING TO PULL 3, 4 AND 5 ALSO BUT FOR ANOTHER REASON. THIS IS AN EXPENDITURE OF OVER $300,000 TO ESTABLISH RENEWABLE ENERGY AT THE AIRPORT FACILITY. AND I WANTED TO EMPHASIZE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE IMPORTANCE OF RENEWABLE ENERGY CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALONG WITH I'D ASKED JOHN TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CARBON OFF-SET OF WHAT THIS WILL DO IN ADDITION TO THE COST SAVINGS. AND I'LL MENTION BRIEFLY, YOU KNOW, THE ADVANTAGE TO THE AIRPORT OF POTENTIALLY PUTTING THAT AIRPORT FACILITY OFF THE GRID DURING THE DAYTIME SHOULD THERE BE A WEATHER CRISIS WHICH WOULD REQUIRE RECOVERY THERE.

SO, JOHN, IF YOU COULD TELL US ABOUT IT. >> SPEAKER: SURE. THE RAY IS GOING BE 1,020 PANELS WHICH IS QUITE LARGE. IT SHOULD -- IT IS A LITTLE SHY OF HALF A MEGAWATT WHICH IS A PRETTY LARGE AMOUNT OF POWER. BUT JUST SO YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF LIKE CARBON OFF-SET. BECAUSE WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT CARBON OFFSET, A LOT OF PEOPLE'S VISION GLAZES OVER AND IT'S A HARD THING TO QUANTIFY. SO I WENT TO THE EPA'S WEBSITE. THEY HAVE A CARBON CALCULATOR. SO, JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE KIND OF AN IDEA WHAT WE'RE BUILDING OUT THERE. IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF 333 ACRES OF SOLID FOREST THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE CREATING ON THE SMALL FOOTPRINT. AND I TALKED TO THE CITY'S ARBORIST ON WHAT AN ACRE OF TREES -- HOW MANY TREES IS THAT. BASED ON HIS NUMBERS, IT'S BASICALLY THE EQUIVALENT OF 166,500 TREES. IT'S HUGE. IT'S HUGE FOR THE CITY. THERE'S NOT TOO MANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES PROBABLY IN THE COUNTRY BASED ON OUR SIZE THAT UNDERTAKES THIS TYPE OF A PROJECT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY DOUBLING THE AMOUNT -- ALMOST DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF SOLAR WE HAVE. WE HAVE A LOT OF SOLAR PANELS.

BASICALLY ABOUT 1,400 SOLAR PANELS IN THE WASTE WATER PLANT. THIS IS ADDING ANOTHER 1,020 TO IT. OVERALL WE'RE ALMOST UP TO 2,500 PANELS. THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT. IT'S SOMETHING THE CITY SHOULD TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN. ANOTHER COUPLE FACTS FROM THE EPA'S WEBSITE BASED ON THE ENERGY OUR CARBON THAT'S GOING TO OFFSET. IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF COAL, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT POUNDS OF COAL PER YEAR, IT'S OFFSETTING OVER 300,000 POUNDS OF COAL, BURNING COAL. ONE STATISTIC THAT ISN'T TERRIFICALLY, LIKE, MAKE YOU FEEL HUGE, IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF 60 CARS BASED ON THE AVERAGE OF ABOUT 15,000 MILES A YEAR. TAKING 60 CARS OFF THE ROAD.

SO, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT AND YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR AUTOMOBILE, WHAT THE IMPACTS AUTOMOBILES HAVE ON THE ENVIRONMENT IS HUGE. ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T THINK THAT IS IGNORING JUST BASIC PLAIN CARBON SCIENCE. SOME OTHER INTERESTING FACTS. CELL PHONES, EVERYBODY'S GOT ONE. THIS THING IS TAKING THE PLACE OF -- IT IS A CRAZY NUMBER -- 36 MILLION

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CELL PHONES. SO, CELL PHONES AREN'T A HUGE ENERGY DEMAND BUT 36 MILLION OF THEM IS AN AWFUL LOT OF THEM. SO THAT'S THE CARBON SEQUESTERING OF THAT. IT'S A VERY GOOD PROGRAM FOR THE CITY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE TOUTED. I'M GLAD COMMISSIONER KREGER'S POINT IT OUT. IT IS LIKE THE CREATION OF 333 ACRES OF CONSERVATION LAND IN A WAY. BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE OFFSETTING. 333 ACRES ON THIS ISLAND IS A LARGE AMOUNT OF LAND. LAND IS GETTING MORE PRECIOUS. SO, IT IS A VERY GOOD THING ENVIRONMENTALLY THAT WE'RE DOING. AND IT FITS THE UTILITIES, YOU KNOW, OUR MAIN EMPHASIS IS ON THE ENVIRONMENT. CLEAN WATER, RESPONSIBILITY OF WASTE WATER. AND THIS FITS RIGHT IN WITH OUR OVERALL MAIN EMPHASIS.

>> COMMISSIONER: AND AIR QUALITY, THE EFFECT ON AIR QUALITY IS POSITIVE. I

RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF 6.2, 6.3 AND 6.4. >> COMMISSIONER: I'LL SECOND.

>> MAYO >> COMMISSIONER: WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED 6.4.

>> HE SAID 6.2. >> COMMISSIONER: THIS IS 3, 4 AND 5.

>> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: MR. MANDRICK WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. I AM GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. MANDRICK. WE DO HAVE REQUESTS TO SPEAK. WELCOME

MA'AM. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JOANN BEAN AT 141 141 NORTH 15TH STREET. ALL OF THIS SOUNDS LIKE PIE IN THE SKY, SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.

WHERE ARE THE SOLAR PANELS GOING TO BE INSTALLED? >> COMMISSIONER: AT THE AIRPORT

UTILITY PLANT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: ALL RIGHT. I WITNESSED A MEETING SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO AND YOU WERE GOING TO TAKE OUT TREES AT THE AIRPORT TO PUT THE SOLAR PANELS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE BEST PLACE FOR THE SOLAR PANELS. WELL, EXCUSE ME, IT WAS THE BEST PLACE FOR THE TREES TOO. YOU WERE GOING TO TAKE THE TREES OUT BECAUSE THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY THE ONLY PLACE. I CANNOT BELIEVE ON THIS WHOLE ISLAND THERE WOULDN'T BE ANOTHER SPOT BESIDE REMOVING TREES TO

PUT THE SOLAR PANELS. ANYBODY GOT AN ANSWER FOR THAT? >> MAYOR MILLER: I FWLOOEF WAS ADDRESSED LAST MEETING AT LENGTH. MR. MANDRICK IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO IT AGAIN, SIR.

>> SPEAKER: SURE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: CAN WE SHARE? >> SPEAKER: I WOULD BE DELIGHTED. THANK YOU. THE ISSUE WHERE THE SOLAR PANELS ARE SITED IS WHERE YOUR HIGHEST LOAD USE IS. IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO OUR EXISTING WATER PLANT. THE HIGHEST HORSEPOWER OF LOAD CLOSE BY. IF YOU BUILT THE SOLAR FURTHER AWAY FROM WHERE IT WAS GOING TO BE USED AT, YOU GOT AN ENERGY LOSS ALL THE WAY. SO, YOU WANT TO BUILD THE PANELS AS CLOSE TO WHERE YOU HAVE THE LOAD. SO THAT'S WHY THAT SITE IS -- WHY YOU CAN'T STICK THEM MAYBE SOMEWHERE ELSE. IN ADDITION THE AIRPORT WAS RATHER SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT AREA THEY WANTED US TO TAKE FOR LAND FOOTPRINT. THE AIRPORT DIDN'T WANT US AND THE FAA HAS SOME SAY ON WHERE TO PUT THE PANELS. SO THE FAA HAS A CERTAIN SAY WHERE PANELS CAN BE PUT ON THEIR AIRPORT. THE CITY OWNS IT BUT

THE FAA REGULATES IT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: AND THEY DON'T LIKE TREES EITHER?

>> SPEAKER: IT'S NOT THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TREES, MS. BEAN. PEOPLE LOVE TREES. BUT IT'S -- SOMETIMES AND WE'RE CERTAINLY REPLANTING MORE TREES. WE'RE PLANTING EIGHT MAGNOLIAS AND SIX LIVE OAKS IN CENTRAL PARK. BUT WHERE FIVE OF THE SIX TREES THAT WE'RE TAKING OUT WERE PLANTED BY THE CITY TEN YEARS AGO. TEN TO 12 YEARS AGO. THEY GOT PLANTED IN A SPOT THAT WASN'T A GOOD

SPOT TO PLANT THEM. SO, WE'RE REPLANTING, MOVING THEM. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: WE'RE MOVING

THEM? >> SPEAKER: WE'RE NOT MOVING THEM. WE'RE REPLANTING THEM.

WE LOOKED INTO MOVING THEM AND IT WAS NOT VIABLE. FINANCIALLY VIABLE. ESPECIALLY WHEN THE TREE REGROWS ONCE WE PLANT. TREES ARE A RENEWABLE RESOURCE. I'M NOT SAYING I WANT TO

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ADVOCATE CUTTING THEM DOWN BUT THAT'S WHY THE SOLAR WAS SITED WHERE IT'S AT. IT HAD TO BE CLOSE TO THE WATER PLANT WHERE THE ACTUAL ENERGY IS BEING USED TO PUMP YOUR WATER. THE MOTORS.

>> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IF

WE CAN CALL THE VOTE PLEASE. >> YES >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES. >> YES.

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>> MAYOR MILLER: ITEM 6.6. THIS IS A BUDGET AMENDMENT ON THE LAND CONSERVATION FUND. I BELIEVE THIS WAS REMOVED AT THE REQUEST OF MR. KREGER. VOICE MAYOR, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: THIS IS THE PURCHASE OF THREE PARCELS OF PROPERTY. $623,000. WHICH LAND TRUST CONTRIBUTED 50 PERCENT. I BELIEVE THAT 50 PERCENT INCLUDED THE $50,000 THAT WAS THE TRUST

FUND GAVE WAS GIVING TO THE CITY TO PUT INTO THEIR MONEY. >> SPEAKER: THE TRUST FUND MATCH WAS ADDED TO THE CITY'S MATCH. NOT THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST MATCH.

>> IT TOOK AWAY FROM THE CITY'S COMMITMENT. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: WHERE WAYS CONFUSED IS -- I SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. OKAY. AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES WAS NOMINATEDED BASED ON THE 2018 LAND ACQUISITION ORDINANCE WHICH IS OUT THERE AND HAS SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS ON NOMINATING PROPERTY AND WHERE WE'RE GOING AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY OTHER PROPERTY NOMINATED. AND I THINK PLANNING IS WORKING. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET AN UPDATE WHERE WE ARE WITH NOMINATING PROPERTY ON THAT -- NOMINATING PROPERTY THEN IT GETS REVIEWED FOR APPROPRIATENESS THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO WHERE THE LAND TRUST IS. THEY HAD A LIST TOO. ARE WE

GOING TO MERGE THOSE? >> SPEAKER: I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH MR. MARK HUDSON NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST. HE IS STARTING TO REACH OUT TO MANY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE ON THAT LIST AND I KNOW THAT THE CONSERVATION EFFORTS ARE PART OF THE TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION AT

NEXT MEETING JOINT SESSION BETWEEN THE COMMISSION AND PAB. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: WITH THAT

ARECOMMEND APPROVAL OF 6.7 >> MAYOR MILLER: 6.6. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: SORRY.

>> COMMISSIONER: I'LL SECOND IT. >> MAYOR MILLER: MADAM CLERK CALL VOTE

>> YES >> YES >> YES

>> YES >> YES >> MAYOR MILLER: ON TO 6.7. DID SOMEBODY WANT 6.7 PULLED? THAT WAS CONSENT. THANK YOU MADAM CLERK. ON TO RESOLUTIONS ON

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7.1. THIS IS SPECIAL EVENTS COMMITTEE SPONSORSHIP APPROVAL. A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE CITY CO-SPONSORSHIP OF NINE EVENTS AND PARADES IN 2020. CITY MANAGER?

>> THE SPECIAL EVENTS COMMITTEE MET. THIS IS AN ANNUAL PROCESS WHERE THE CITY AND MAIN STREET SPONSOR SEVERAL EVENTS. THEY ARE DETERMINED OR RECOMMENDED BASED UPON THEIR COMMUNITY IMPACT, THEIR LONGEVITY, AND THEIR ROLE IN THE CITY. SO, THE NINE EVENTS THE PAST YEARS: THE MAIN STREET AND THE CITY HAVE SPONSORED APPROXIMATELY FOUR OR FIVE. THIS YEAR SEVERAL EVENTS WERE ADDED INCLUDING THE MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY PARADE, MEMORIAL DAY PARADE, VETERAN'S PARADE AND

LIGHTED CHRISTMAS PARADE. >> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN?

>> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH THE ADDITION THAT THE FUNDING FOR SOUNDS ON CENTER BE WITHHELD UNTIL THE ISSUES FROM LAST 84 AND THE LETTER THAT WAS SIGNED BY SOUNDS ON CENTER PEOPLE CAN BE WORKED OUT. I DON'T FEEL THAT WE SHOULD GIVE THEM BLANKET APPROVAL WHEN LAST YEAR WE WENT THROUGH A WHOLE ISSUE WITH THEM. AND I BELIEVE THEY SIGNED A LETTER SAYING THEY WOULD AGREE TO MOVE THE VENUE TO EITHER DIFFERENT DAY OR PLACE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN FULFILLED. SO I MOVE TO APPROVE ALL OF THEM HOLDING FUND FOR

SOUNDS ON CENTER UNTIL THOSE ISSUES ARE RESOLVED. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR.

>> SO IT'S BASICALLY APPROVING AN AMENDED RESOLUTION THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE SOUNDS.

>> COMMISSIONER: RIGHT. >> MAYOR MILLER: SO YOU ARE ASKING TO DECIDE LATER?

>> COMMISSIONER: YES. WHEN THE ISSUES ARE RESOLVED. >> MAYOR MILLER: I'M WAITING ON

A SECOND. THERE BEING NONE, THE MOTION FAILS. >> COMMISSIONER: I MOVE TO

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APPROVE. >> COMMISSIONER: SECOND. >> MAYOR MILLER: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I SEE NO DISCUSSION. CALL THE VOTE PLEASE.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> YES >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN >> YES

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER? >> YES >> MAYOR MILLER?

[Item 7.2 (Part 1 of 2)]

>> YES. >> MAYOR MILLER: ITEM 7.2. AMENDING THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE. REDUCING THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS AND RESTATING THE GOALS, MISSION WORK, PLAN, ORGANIZATION AND CONDUCT OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD. CITY

ATTORNEY? >> I PUT IN ON THE AGENDA AT THE REQUEST OF I THINK VICE MAYOR KREGER MADE THE MOTION WHEN APPOINTING MRS. ROSS TO JOIN THE PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE THIS NEEDED TO COME BACK AND THE MEMBERSHIP BE REDUCED FROM SEVEN TO FIVE.

>> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU MA'AM. COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS:. THANK YOU. THE CITY MANAGER HAS RECOMMENDED, QUOTE, I RECOMMEND THAT THE REVISED MEETING TIME OF 5:00 P.M. RATHER THAN THE PREVIOUS LONG STANDING TIME OF 4:00 P.M. BE EVALUATED OVER THE NEXT 6 MONTHS TO DETERMINE IF THE REDUCTION OF MEMBERS IS NECESSARY TO CONSISTENTLY ACHIEVE A QUORUM WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL FACTOR FOR THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION. SINCE MANY TIMES WE HAVE SAID THAT LET DALE DO WHAT HE SHOULD DO, I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION AND TABLE THIS FOR SIX MONTHS.

>> MAYOR MILLER: I HAVE A MOTION. I DO SEE VICE MAYOR KREGER BUT I NEED A SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER: I'LL SECOND IT. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> IF I MIGHT ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM COMMISSIONER ROSS. IS THAT A TABLE WITH A DATE CERTAIN? DO YOU CERTAINLY WANT TO SEE IT BACK IN SIX MONTHS.

>> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: YES >> BECAUSE IT CAN ALSO BE TABLED WHERE --

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: NO HE REEMED PROPOSED AND COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS.

>> THAT'S A MOTION FOR POSTPONEMENT FOR SIX MONTHS. >> MAYO

>> MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH POSTPONING IT. MY ISSUE IS THAT WE DID THIS RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT GET A QUORUM. MY CONCERN ALSO IS SO IF THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SIX PEOPLE NOW. MY CONCERN ALSO IS THAT THIS COMMITTEE WAS ESTABLISHED TO COMPLETE A WORK PLAN ANNUALLY WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE STARTED IN 2006. TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT WORK PLAN HAS NEVER HAPPENED.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED A FUNCTIONAL COMMITTEE. I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK. THEY HAD VERY LITTLE ON WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING SOME REVIEW. AND THIS WORK PLAN WHICH IS AN ANNUAL REQUIREMENT WHICH HAS NEVER HAPPENED, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN IN THE SIX MONTH PERIOD SO THAT THAT COMMITTEE BECOMES FUNCTIONAL. I HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS MEETING IN FOUR AND THAT WAS A PROBLEM. IT WAS GOING TO SIX BUT THAT WAS A PROBLEM. NOW WE'RE AT FIVE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE BECOME A FUNCTIONAL COMMITTEE. IF WE WAIT SIX MONTHS TO DO IT, THAT'S FINE. BY THE END OF THE SIX MONTH THEIR ANNUAL PLAN WILL BE DO.

>> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I DISAGREE WITH VICE MAYOR KREGER THAT THEY CAN DO THAT IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. ALSO A THING I WOULD CONSIDER IS WHETHER TO CONSIDER EXPANDING -- KEEPING THE COMMITTEE AT SEVEN AND ADDING TWO ALTERNATES. BECAUSE I THINK MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS IS A BETTER THAN LESS.

>> MAYOR MILLER: OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MADAM CLERK CALL THE VOTE PLEASE.

>> YES >> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES. >> MAYOR MILLER: ITEM 7.3.

[Item 7.3]

INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH OCEAN HIGHWAY PORT AUTHORITY. RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COURT AUTHORITY OF NASSAU COUNTY. CITY ATTORNEY?

>> THIS FIRST RESOLUTION, THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE -- DEAL WITH THE PORT. THE FIRST ONE IS WITH REGARD TO THE NAVIGATIONAL CHANNEL IN THE RIVER. AS I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW, THERE WAS AN ACT OF CONGRESS PASSED IN 2000 TO MOVE THAT CHANNEL TO THE WEST. IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE GROWTH OF THE CITY MARINA, ET CETERA. SO WE HAD A CONVERSATION, WE THE CITY MANAGER AND I, ON OCTOBER 24TH WITH PORT REPRESENTATIVES. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AT THE PORT AUTHORITY'S PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT THEY HAVE AT LEAST VERBALLY SAID THEY ARE OKAY WITH MOVING THE CHANNELS SINCE THEY'RE THE SPONSOR THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE FORMAL REQUEST. IN OUR IN-PERSON MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE PORT REPRESENTATIVES THEY ASK THAT WE

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PUT SOMETHING FORMALLY TOGETHER THAT WE CAN BOTH SIGN THAT WOULD SAY THE CITY AGREES TO TAKE ALL FINANCIAL AND LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR MOVING THAT CHANNEL AND SO WE VERBALLY

AGREED TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU ALL AND HERE IT IS. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BUT I HAVE AN IN THE WEEDS QUESTION. IT'S ON THE EXHIBIT A. IN PARAGRAPH 3.

FIRST OF ALL, THAT SENTENCE IS A KILLER. IT IS A RUNON BUT NEVER MIND. THEN THE SENTENCE GOES...

THE OBLIGATIONS CONTAINED IN THIS PROVISION SHALL SURVIVE TERMINATION OF THIS AGREEMENT.

THEN IF YOU GO DOWN... THE AGREEMENT SHALL CONTINUE IN AFFECT UNTIL TERM NARTED AND

EXECUTED BY BOTH PARTIES. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME >> YES, SIR. NUMBER 6 SAYS HOW YOU CAN TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT, THE OBLIGATIONS UNDER THE AGREEMENT GENERALLY. AND IN NUMBER 3, IT SAYS THAT NO MATTER IF THE AGREEMENT IS TERMINATED, THE OBLIGATIONS FOR INDEMNIFICATION SURVIVE. SO, LET'S SAY THAT WE TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT ON APRIL 1ST AND THERE'S SOME LAWSUIT FROM A THIRD PARTY THAT COMES OUT OF IT OR SOME CLAIM THAT COMES OUT OF IT. THAT WAS THE CLAIM IS ALLEGED TO HAVE OCCURRED MARCH 1ST. SO, WE'RE STILL IN THE AGREEMENT AS OF THAT TIME. BUT NOW WE'RE TECHNICALLY OUT OF THE AGREEMENT WHEN WE GET NOTICE OF THE CLAIM. THIS SAYS THE CITY'S NOT ALLOWED TO WALK AWAY AND SAY WE TERMINATED THE AGREEMENT APRIL 1ST. SORRY, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE THAT CLAIM. PORT YOU ARE ON THE HOOK WITH US.

THIS SAYS FOREVER AND A DAY AFTER THIS AGREEMENT IS TERMINATED, IF THERE'S ANY

CLAIM, THAT THE CITY WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: ANY CLAIM

AT ANY TIME? >> AT ANY TIME. BUT THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS UNDER STATE LAW WOULD STILL APPLY. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'D HAVE ANY LIABILITY FOR NEGLIGENCE, FOR EXAMPLE, PAST

FOUR YEARS. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN

TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT AND GOING FORWARD FOREVER. >> WE'RE NOT GOING FORWARD FOREVER. IF WE BOTH WANT OUT OF THIS AND THE PORT SAYS WE'RE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS ANYMORE AND THE CITY SAYS ALL RIGHT FINE WE CAN MUTUALLY AGREE TO TERMINATE IT.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: BUT WE'RE STILL OBLIGATED? >> FOR THE INDEMNIFICATION IF THERE ARE CLAIMS GENERATED. I MEAN, I GUESS THIS IS -- IT DOES NOT HAVE TO -- IT IS STANDARD.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT I WILL SAY THIS. BECAUSE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE AS AN ATTORNEY YOU DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHETHER YOUR LANGUAGE, WHICH I DIDN'T MAKE THIS UP, WE GENERALLY DON'T. I TOOK IT FROM A VERY GOOD LAWYER AND I ACTUALLY GOT TO TEST THIS IN COURT AND IT SURPASSED WHAT

SUPREME COURT SAYS. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS

GOING OUT AND WE'RE TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CHANNEL. >> YES.

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: ONE OF THE LETTERS WAS FROM 2018 WHICH WAS THE PORT IS A LOCAL SPONSOR SAYING THEY SUPPORTED MOVING THE CHANNEL. THEN WE HAVE A LETTER FROM 2019 FROM THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS SAYS LOCAL SPONSOR MUST SUPPORT THIS. SO, WHAT HAPPENS NOW? DO WE GO BACK TO THE PORT, THIS GOES BACK TO THE PORT AND THEY WILL WRITE ANOTHER LETTER?

>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS WOULD GO BACK TO THE PORT AUTHORITY AT A REGULAR MEETING

THAT THEY'RE HAVING TOMORROW -- IS THAT RIGHT COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: A WEEK

FROM TOMORROW. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: THEN THEY WOULD ISSUE ANOTHER LETTER

>> THAT'S WHAT OUR HOPE IS. THAT'S THE PLAN, YES. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY. WE'RE NOT MOVING A CHANNEL. WE'RE MOVING A LINE ON A PIECE OF PAPER. THE CHANNEL IS ALREADY THERE. THAT LINE WAS AGREED TO BE MOVED 20 YEARS AGO. WE'RE JUST FORMALIZING WHAT WAS DONE 20 YEARS AGO. SO, IF WE EVER -- THE MARINA EVER FALLS APART AGAIN THAT WE DON'T HAVE GO BACK THROUGH WHAT WE WENT THROUGH FOR TWO YEARS TO GET THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS. SO THAT'S

WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH?

>> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF POINTS OF CLARIFICATION. I THINK COMMISSIONER ROSS IS AN EXPERT ON THIS SO HE CAN PROBABLY ANSWER MY QUESTIONS. SO, YOU SAID WE'RE MOVING A LINE. BUT IF WE WERE TO EXPAND THE NORTHERN DOCKS AS IT EXISTS NOW

IT WOULD GO INTO WHAT IS THE CHANNEL? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: YOU CAN NOT -- THE NORTHERN CHANNEL, IF THERE WERE EVER TO BE DONE, A WHOLE OTHER STORY, IS JAMMED

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RIGHT AGAINST THAT LINE RIGHT NOW. >> COMMISSIONER: WHICH IS WHY

WE'RE MOVING THE WALL? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: WE'RE MOVING THE LINE IN MY MIND BECAUSE IF WE GO BACK TO DO THE OTHER ATTENUATOR EVER AGAIN -- REMEMBER WE WENT AND GOT THE VARIANCE? IT IS TO AVOID HAVING TO GET VARIANCE IN THE FUTURE. AND THE ADDED BENEFIT IS, IF YOU SHOULD GO FORWARD AT SOME POINT WITH THAT, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS

AGAIN. >> COMMISSIONER: SO FROM ATTENDING OPEN MEETINGS MY UNDERSTANDING, AND CORRECT ME IF I MISSTATE THIS, IS THAT WE'RE ASSUMING LIABILITY? THAT IF THE NORTHERN EXPANSION OF THOSE DOCKS WERE EVER DEEMED AN OBSTRUCTION BY THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS, WE WOULD INCURRED THE COST OF REMOVING THE OBSTRUCTION?

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES. AND WE AGREED TO THAT WITH THE SOUTHERN PART WHILE WHEN WE GOT

THE 408 VARIANCE. >> COMMISSIONER: THANK YOU. AND THE SECOND LIABILITY.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: LET ME JUST ADD TO THAT. TO GET THE PERMIT EVEN TO BEGIN WITH, BECAUSE WE'RE STILL NOT EVEN FAR ENOUGH AWAY, WE AGREED TO DO THAT ANYHOW.

>> COMMISSIONER: ARE WE ALSO ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DREDGING OF THAT PORTION OF THE

CHANNEL? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: WE ARE ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY FOR IF THEY PUSH THE CHANNEL LINE -- REMEMBER THIS HASN'T BEEN -- THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR LIKE 50 YEARS AND THE CHANCES OF THIS CHANNEL EVER BE BE OPEN AGAIN ARE SLIM AND NONE. BECAUSE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT $150 MILLION PROJECT TO DREDGE IT UP TO RAYONIER. YES, WE WOULD BE HELD LIABLE FOR THE DIFFERENCE WHERE IF THEY HAD TO DREDGE IT WHERE IT SITS NOW AS OPPOSED TO MOVING

IT OVER. SO THE DELTA THAT YOU WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR. >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: AND IS

WHAT THE ESTIMATED COST OF THAT ROUGHLY? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: A LOT OF MONEY. MILLIONS. LOTS OF ZEROS. BUT THE CHANCES OF THAT HAPPENING -- IN MY VIEW THE CHANNEL SHOULD BE ABANDONED. I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT GOING BE USED BUT THAT'S A WHOLE

OTHER STORY. >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: THANK YOU.

>> IN ORDER TO HAVE THE ATTENUATOR SOUTH AND NORTH BUILT, NOT EVEN GETTING INTO THE NORTHERN EXPANSION, WE HAVE ALREADY ACCEPTED THAT WAS A CONDITION OF THE CORPS THAT SAID YOU WILL DO ONE OF TWO THINGS IF WE EVER DEEM IT A HAZARD TO NAVIGATION. EITHER MOVE THE CHANNEL OR MOVE THE MARINA. SO, THIS IS AN EFFORT TO CLARIFY VICE MAYOR KREGER'S COMMENTS.

THE CORPS EARLIER THIS YEAR SAID -- THE LOCAL SPONSOR HAS TO MAKE THE REQUEST. SO THAT'S WHY I SET THE ORIGINAL CORRESPONDENCE TO THE CORPS, ASKED FOR THEIR REQUEST, OR NOT THE CORPS, TO THE PORT, THE PORT IS NOW SAYING YOU NEED TO FORMALLY ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE DREDGING IF IT EVER OCCURS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE APPROVING TONIGHT.

>> MAYOR MILLER: OKAY. VICE MAYOR KREGER ARE YOU GOOD? >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I'M GOOD.

>> MAYOR MILLER: WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I SEE NO FURTHER LIGHTS. PLEASE CALL

VOTE >> YES >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES. >> YES.

>> MR. MAYOR JUST REAL I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO MS. DUNCAN AND PEW. I GENERALLY CONTROL

[Item 7.2 (Part 2 of 2)]

THE SPEAKER FORMS. YOU DID HAVE YOUR SPEAKER FORMS IN FOR THE RECREATION COMMITTEE.

>> MAYO >> MAYOR MILLER: DID THE VOTE GO YOUR WAY.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I JUST WANTED TO COMMUNICATION TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION THAT THE BOARD -- IT

DOESN'T MATTER. >> IT DOES. AND I APOLOGIZE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THAT'S OKAY.

TERESA DUNCAN 515 SOUTH 5TH STREET. I AM THE CHAIR OF YOUR PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE. COMMISSIONER KREGER, CHALLENGE ACCEPTED. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE COMMITTEE DID DISCUSS THAT AT THE LAST MEETING AND THEY ALSO FELT THAT IT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY TO KEEP THAT BOARD AT SEVEN PEOPLE. AND WITH THE TIME CHANGE AND THE NEW RULES INVOLVING ABSENCES AS WELL AS RENEWED INTEREST AMONG THE COMMUNITY AND THE PARKS AND REC SYSTEM HERE THAT I THINK THAT WE WILL HAVE BETTER LUCK GETTING A QUORUM. THAT'S ALL I

WANTED TO SAY. >> MAYOR MILLER: GREAT THANK YOU. MS. DUNCAN YOU HAVE BEEN

ON THE BOARD FOR QUITE A WHILE? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: A YEAR. >> JEAN CUE IS ALSO ON THE

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FLOOR. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THE ITEM I'M SPEAKING ON IS NOT AN AGENDA

ITEM. >> WE SKIPPED THAT PART. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M NOT SPEAKING ON THIS. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER NUMBER 5. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. I HAVE INTEREST IN THE RESOLUTION PIECE OF THIS ALSO. JEAN PEW 1552 RUSKIN LANE, FERNANDINA BEACH. I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION MEETING ON NOVEMBER 19TH. BUT AS A MEMBER OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE I FELT COMPELLED TO ATTEND TONIGHT'S MEETING TO EXPRESS MY DISAPPOINTMENT AND FRUSTRATION WITH THE COMMISSION'S APPROVAL OF THE SIMMONS PARK PLAN WITHOUT ANY REVIEW BY THAT COMMITTEE. LET ME FIRST BE CLEAR I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF NOT NOR NOT FOR ANY OF THE OTHER MEMBERS. THE COMMITTEE RECEIVED THE UPDATED PLAN FROM MR. MORE SUMMONSED AT OUR JULY NINTH MEETING. IT WAS NOT PROVIDED IN ADVANCE NOR WAS SIMMONS PARKING ON THE AGENDA. THE MEETING OF AUGUST 13TH WAS CANCELLED DUE TO A MISTAKE ON THE AGENDA FOR MEETING TIME BEING LISTED AS 9:00 AS OPPOSED TO OUR 4:00 MEETING. SO THAT MEETING WAS CANCELED EVEN THOUGH WE HAD A QUORUM. SO WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT THERE. AT THE MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 10TH AN UPDATED PLAN WAS PROVIDED BY MR. MORRISON INDICATING THAT THE QUOTE GENERAL LOCATION OF EVERYTHING SHIFTED INCLUDING THE PARKING LOT AND TRAIL DUE TO THE DRY PONDS. THE ENGINEERING DOCUMENTS WE RECEIVED FOR THAT MEETING WE GOT THE DAY BEFORE THE MEETING. THE COMMITTEE RECEIVED ANOTHER UPDATED VERSION OF THE PARK PLAN FOR THE OCTOBER 8TH MEETING. WE WERE INFORMED THAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO VOTE ON THIS PLAN AT THIS MEETING BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE IRKED 15TH MEETING OF THE COMMISSIONERS. WITH CONCERN FOR THE POTENTIAL FUTURE SALE OF THIS LAND UNKNOWING THERE WAS A CITY CHARTER ITEM THAT SAYS THE LAND CAN'T BE SOLD WITHOUT REFERENDUM, WE DID NOT KNOW THAT, WE HAD NOT BEEN INFORMED OF THAT, WITH THAT CONCERN AND DESPITE THE DISSATISFACTION WITH THE PROCESS WE DID VOTE TO APPROVE THE PLAN. DUE TO CONCERNS EXPRESS BID THE COMMITTEE AND RESIDENTS THE COMMITTEE VOTED TO RECONSIDER THE APPROVAL OF THE SIMMONS PARK PLAN AT OUR NOVEMBER 12TH MEETING. THAT WAS ALLOW US ADDITIONAL TIME TO VET THE PROCESS, TO REVIEW ADDITIONAL OPTIONS AND TO PERFORM OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN REPRESENTING THE CONCERNS OF THIS COMMUNITY. THE COMMITTEE ALSO REQUESTED THIS COMMISSION TO RENEW THE RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE PARK IN ORDER TO GIVE US MORE TIME FOR REVIEW OF THE PLAN. THIS PREVIOUS COMMISSION MEETING INCLUDED A PRESENTATION BY MS. VOIT AND MR. MORRISON ON THE SIMMONS ROAD PARK PLAN THAT WAS NOT AN ITEM LISTED ON THE AGENDA. IT ALSO INCLUDED A TIMELINE PRESENTATION THAT COMPLETELY OMITTED OUR VOTE AT THE NOVEMBER NOVEMBER MEETING. WITH NO DISCUSSION OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND NO OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THIS PLAN PRIOR TO YOUR VOTE, THE COMMISSION VOTED ON A RESOLUTION THAT ALSO OMITS TO INCLUDE THE NOVEMBER DECISION BY

THE COMMITTEE TO RESCIND THE VOTE. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU

MA'AM. >> WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT. THE RESOLUTION ITSELF, I JUST REMEMBERED SOMETHING. MS. PEW POINTED OUT TO ME. IT'S REALLY A ERROR IN MY ESTIMATION. I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION OR ANYTHING. BUT IN THE RESOLUTION IT TALKS ABOUT THE STAGGERED TERMS WHICH CURRENTLY, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES BUT ANYWAY.

SINCE WE'RE NOT MAKING CHANGES I MAY BRING THAT UP LATER. BECAUSE ONE PART SAYS THREE YEAR

TERMS AND THE OTHER IS ONE, TWO AND THREE. >> MAYOR MILLER: ALL RIGHT.

ITEM 8.2. A CODE AMENDMENT FOR -- ARE WE GOING TO 8.1? 7.4. CONFLICT RESOLUTION INITIATION

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FOR OCEAN HIGHWAY AND PORT AUTHORITY. CITY ATTORNEY? >> THIS IS IN REGARD TO THE PILOT PAYMENT ISSUE ONLY. WE DISAGREE WITH THE PORT AUTHORITY. THEY DISAGREE WITH US. AND PERHAPS MEDIATION WOULD BE HELPFUL. WE CAN'T HAVE A JUDGE DECIDE ANY OF THESE ISSUES UNTIL YOU GO TO MEDIATION. AND THAT'S STATE LAW. SO, AFTER THIS THE CITY MANAGER WILL WITHIN FIVE DAYS IF THE BOARD APPROVES THIS RESOLUTION TONIGHT THE CITY MANAGER WOULD THEN, OF COURSE, IN COLLABORATION WITH ME SEND A CERTIFIED LETTER TO THE PORT AUTHORITY INVITING THEM TO DISPUTE RESOLUTION. THEN WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL CONFLICT ASSESSMENT MEETING. IT'S JUST

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REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PORT AUTHORITY AND THE CITY. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC MEETING. WE SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THE ISSUES ARE AND WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING MOVE FORWARD WITH MEDIATION. WE BOTH DECIDE JOINTLY ON WHO THE MEDIATOR IS. WE SPLIT THE COSTS. AND THAT MEDIATOR IS ALMOST ALWAYS NOWADAYS A LAWYER WHO CAN UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE LEGAL ISSUES, MANE HELP US WORK THROUGH IT, MAYBE HELP TALK SOME, YOU KNOW, LAW INTO THEM OR

INTO US YOU KNOW. >> MAYOR MILLER: WHAT'S THE COST ON THAT?

>> THE COST ON THAT FOR A MEDIATION THAT JUST -- THIS IS REALLY BALLPARK AND DEPENDS ON THE MEDIATOR. IT CAN BE ANYWHERE, I WOULD SAY, FROM $2,000 TO $4,000.

>> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> A HALF DAY MINIMUM TO A WHOLE

DAY. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: THANK YOU SO MUCH. MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS IS DIFFERENT. MY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT WHAT THE ISSUE IS IS PRETTY BLACK AND WHITE. WE BELIEVE THEY OWE US $50,000 A YEAR IN LIEU OF THEIR PILOT -- WHICH IS THE PAYMENT GOING FORWARD. AND THEY BELIEVE THAT WE DON'T OWE THEM ANYTHING FURTHER. IT IS A PRETTY BLACK AND WHITE ISSUE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS REALLY A FOUR-STEP PROCESS. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO CHANGE WITH ANY MEDIATOR. NUMBER ONE. HAS TO HAVE THIS GROUP THAT HAS TO MEET. THERE HAS TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THIS BOARD. ONE OF THE FIVE COMMISSIONERS HAS TO BE IN THAT GROUP, IF I AM CORRECT, I BELIEVE.

>> YOU ARE NOT CORRECT. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ELECTED OFFICIALS. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: OKAY THEN I COULD BE WRONG. NUMBER 2. THERE HAD TO BE A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE TWO COMMISSIONS

>> THERE IS A JOINT MEETING. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: NUMBER 3. WHEN IT FAILS THOSE TWO, THEN IT

GOES TO MEDIATION? >> RIGHT. IF YOU CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT, WHICH I ASSUME WE

WON'T WITHOUT THE THIRD PARTY. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: CORRECT. NUMBER 4. IT GOES TO MEAD RATION. NUMBER 5 WHEN WE DON'T AGREE AT MEDIATION BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING SAY THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE DON'T WANT $50,000 A YEAR AND I DON'T THINK ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE GOING TO SAY WE'RE GOING GIVE YOU $50,000 A YEAR. SO, THEN WE HAVE TO FILE A DECK LA TORY JUDGMENT AND

GO TO COURT, AM I CORRECT? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: AND THAT

PROCESS WOULD TAKE ANYWHERE FROM? >> THE COURT PROCESS.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: NO TO GET TO COURT >> OH GOSH. DEPENDING ON THE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT -- OR A JOINT MEETING WITH OUR BOARD. I DON'T KNOW I'M HOPING BY

APRIL 1ST. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO IT IS A FOUR-STEP PROCESS?

>> YES, THE JOINT MEETING PART, YES. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I MOVE TO

APPROVE. >> COMMISSIONER: SECOND. >> MAYOR MILLER: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COMMISSIONER ROSS YOUR LIGHT IS ON. ARE YOU GOOD? OKAY THANK YOU. MADAM CLERK

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE >> YES >> YES

>> YES. >> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: IN CASE I AM RIGHT AND ONE OF US IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE BOARD, CAN WE JUST PICK SOMEBODY. I DON'T REALLY CARE WHO IT IS. RIGHT

NOW. >> AS A REPRESENTATIVE? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: RIGHT. IN

CASE I AM CORRECT. >> MAYOR MILLER: ARE YOU CHECKING TO SEE IF THAT'S THE

CASE >> JUST GO AHEAD. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH IF YOU WANT TO. I WOULD APPRECIATE A VOTE THOUGH. SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION AND ANOTHER TO NOMINATE ONE OF YOU

>> COMMISSIONER: I NOMINATE MIKE. >> COMMISSIONER: SECOND.

>> MAYOR MILLER: CONGRATULATIONS. CALL THE VOTE PLEASE.

>> YES. >> YES. YES. YES YES. >> YES. YOU COULD HAVE VOTED NO

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CODE AMENDMENT TO OUR FLOOD PLANE MANAGEMENT -- FLOOD PLAIN MANAGEMENT.

>> GOOD EVENING COMMISSION, PEOPLE OF FERNANDINA. I AM THE BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR THE CITY.

I'VE GOT A REVISED SUMMARY OF THE ORDINANCE I'D LIKE TO READ. WE HAVE COPIES IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE A COPY. IT IS A REVISED THAT IS ON THE MR.

>> MAYOR MILLER: GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I'M GOING READ THE TITLE REAL QUICK. THANK YOU

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SIR. >> I WAS JUST LOOKING UP STATUTE. I HAVE THAT NUMBER FOR

YOU IN JUST A MINUTE. >> ORDINANCE 2019-26. ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF FERNANDINA BEACH FLORIDA. AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 22, ARTICLE 5, FLOOD PLAIN MANAGEMENT AMENDING SECTION 22-29 FOR LOCAL ADMINISTERIVE AMENDMENT FOSSE THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE ADOPTING SECTIONS 22-29.2, 22-29.3 AND 22-29.4 FOR LOCAL TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS TO THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE PROVIDING FOR APPLICABILITY, SEVER ABILITY

AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> MAYOR MILLER: GO AHEAD. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

AFTERWARDS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. SHWALLS IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE PROPOSED FLOOD PLAIN MANAGED ORDINANCE AMENDS OR ADOPTED REQUIRE REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDINGS IN HAZARD AREAS TO CLARIFY THE CONSEQUENCES OF UNAUTHORIZED WORK ON EXISTING BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES. TWO, TO REQUIRE DECLARATIONS OF LAND RESTRICTION OR NON-CONVERSION AGREEMENTS FOR ENCLOSURES BELOW ELEVATED BUILDINGS. THREE. MAKE CERTAIN DEFINITIONS CONSISTENT WITH DEFINITIONS IN CHAPTER 22 OF THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE. FOUR. TO INCREASE MINIMUM BUILDING ELEVATION REQUIREMENTS. FIVE: REQUIRE ALL DWELLING FOUNDATIONS TO BE DESIGNED BY FLORIDA REGISTERED DESIGN PROFESSIONAL. SIX: PROVIDE FOR CONSISTENT LEVELS OF PROTECTION FROM FLOODING IN SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREAS AND ADJACENT .2 PERCENT ANNUAL CHANCE FLOOD HAZARD AREAS. THAT'S THE 100 YEAR FLOOD ZONE AREA AND THE 500 YEAR AREA. SEVEN EIGHT: LIMIT THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW CRITICAL FACILITIES. NINE: LIMIT THE PLACEMENT OF FILL. FOR THE PURPOSE OF PARTICIPATING IN THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM THE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM AND PURSUANT TO SECTION 553735 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES IS FOR MATTING THAT REQUIREMENT --S FORMATTING THAT REQUIREMENT TO COORDINATE WITH THE FLORIDA

BUILDING CODE. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER

ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I HAVE TWO. ONE IS A REAL QUICK IN THE WEEDS KIND OF QUESTION. IT'S ON PAGE 14. THE LAST LINE. IT SAYS LOCATION EXTENT AMOUNT PROPOSED FINAL GRADES OF ANY FILLING, GRADING OR EXCAVATION WERE REQUIRED THE GRADING PLAN SHALL SHOW COMPENSATORY STORAGE. WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF COMPENSATORY STORAGE?

>> SPEAKER: DEL SHWALLS. IT IS DEFINED BY FEMA IN THEIR GUIDANCE DOCUMENTS AND THEIR REGULATIONS. THEY HAVE SEVERAL TECHNICAL BULLETINS DESCRIBING IT. IT'S BASICALLY A CUP OF DIRT PER CUP OF DIRT. SO, EVERY CUP YOU ADD, YOU HAVE TO EXCAVATE.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: PERHAPS YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE IT SO IT'S SPECIFIC SO PEOPLE ARE

CLEAR WHERE THE DEFINITION IS COMING FROM. >> SPEAKER: WELL THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE STATES THAT ANY DEFINITION NOT DEFINED TAKES ITS COMMON DEFINITION. AND SINCE THIS IS PART OF A STANDARD FLOOD PLAIN MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE THE ST. JOHN'S MANAGEMENT DISTRICT

AND THE FEMA DEFINITIONS WOULD APPLY THERE. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: OKAY. MY SECOND COMMENT IS THAT IN THE -- IT'S THE ORDINANCE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THIS PAGE, IT SAYS THE FISCAL IMPACT ON THIS IS NONE. WE ALL KNOW THAT THIS ISLAND IS GOING TO FLOOD. IT'S NOT IF, IT'S WHEN, HOW MUCH, HOW OFTEN AND HOW BAD. THE FISCAL IMPACT OF THIS, IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TO THE CITY, I THINK THAT IS MAYBE WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO, MAY BE NOTHING.

BUT THE FISCAL IMPACT THIS WILL HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY I THINK IS QUITE SUBSTANTIAL. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE COSTS INVOLVED WITH THIS ORDINANCE. BUT I THINK IN THE LONG RUN THIS ORDINANCE IS GOING TO SAVE A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO PREVENT FLOOD DAMAGE AND I SUPPORT IT. BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE MADE CLEAR AND MAYBE THE CITY MANAGER

CAN SPEAK TO WHAT THEY MEAN BY NO FISCAL IMPACT. >> SPEAKER: FISCAL IMPACT MEANS TO THE CITY ITSELF. COMMISSIONER ROSS IS CORRECT THERE WILL BE FISCAL IMPACT TO

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PROPERTY OWNERS AS THEY COME IN TO COMPLIANCE WITH THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE.

>> ANY TIME YOU ARE GOING TO INCREASE ANY REQUIREMENTS FOR ADDITIONAL SAFETY OR BEEFING UP THE CODE OR REQUIREMENTS LIKE THAT THERE IS A COST OF COURSE TO BUILD TO A HIGHER STANDARD.

I THINK WHEN YOU CONSIDER WHERE WE'RE AT NOW AND YOU CONSIDER WHAT THIS CHANGE WILL BE THERE'S ALREADY REQUIREMENTS FOR MEETING A LOFT THESE STANDARDS IN THE CODE TO DATE TO RAISE THE ADDITIONAL FOOT. OF COURSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A COST TO IT. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL COST FOR A BRAND-NEW HOUSE OR BUILDING AND LOOK AT THE PERCENT YOU ARE GOING TO GO FROM THE ONE FOOT REQUIREMENT TO A TWO FOOT REQUIREMENT IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN DEFINE IT AS NEGLIGIBLE OR VERY SMALL AMOUNT. WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A $200,000 HOUSE THE COST TO GO AN EXTRA COURSE-AND-A-HALF FOR THE ELEVATED FOUNDATION IS A VERY SMALL PERCENT OF THAT COST.

THEN WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT SMALL PERCENT OF THE INCREASED COST TO BUILD THAT STRUCTURE TO THE POTENTIAL DAMAGE CAUSED BY BEING, YOU KNOW, LESS PROTECTED, IT'S REALLY QUITE SUBSTANTIAL WHAT YOU WOULD SAVE TO NOT HAVE TO REPAIR AND REBUILD. SO IT'S VERY SMALL AND MINOR ON THE FRONT END AS COMPARED TO, AGAIN, WHAT YOU WOULD BE FACED WITH IF YOU WERE REBUILDING AND

REPAIRING. >> COMMISSIONER: I RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

>> COMMISSIONER: SECOND. >> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU ARE STILL RECOGNIZED.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: WE'VE TALKED ABOUT RESILIENCY AND I THINK THIS IS A PROFOUND STEP IN GETTING TOWARDS THAT. THIS IS ONE OF THIS THINGS THE FLOOD ORDINANCE WILL HELP PROTECT THE ISLAND FROM FLOODING WHICH IS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND I THINK IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT STEP WE'RE TAKING. I KNOW YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAVE SPENT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT ON THIS AND SO HAS THE COMMUNITY. I APPRECIATE THE INPUT THAT'S COME FROM MULTIPLE MEETINGS AND PEOPLE AND IT'S BEEN A PROCESS AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE. I THINK WE'VE COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS A GOOD ORDINANCE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> MAYOR MILLER: I DO HAVE ONE REQUEST TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. MR. STEVE COOK?

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: HELLO MY NAME IS STEVE COOK. 2629 RACHEL AVENUE WITHIN THE CITY HERE. I KNOW AND I RECOGNIZE MUCH EFFORT AND ENERGY HAS GONE IN TO THE WORK BASED UPON THE NEW FLOOD ORDINANCE. THE CITY'S DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO OF HOLDING MEETINGS WITH DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS AND DISPENSING INFORMATION. I THINK THAT ANGIE LESTER NEEDS A LITTLE RECOGNITION. SHE'S KIND OF PUSHED THIS THING THROUGH AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST WITH THE DETAILS OF THIS FLOOD ORDINANCE.

AND LET ME STATE RIGHT NOW, IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO UPDATE THIS. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

WHAT I HAVE A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS ABOUT ARE SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT I THINK NEED TO BE ADJUSTED IN THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU FINALLY ACCEPT IT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST WAS THAT YOU CAN AMEND ORDINANCES TO FIT LOCAL CONDITIONS. JUST BECAUSE FEMA HAS A BLANKET STATEMENT OR A BLANKET ORDINANCE THEY PUT OUT AS A MODEL ORDINANCE DOESN'T MEAN IT FITS ALL SITUATIONS IN ALL PLACES. A LOT OF THE FLOOD REGULATIONS APPLY TO THE WHOLE COUNTRY. YOU'VE GOT RIVERS. YOU'VE GOT LAKES. YOU'VE GOT FLOODWAYS. YOU'VE GOT SITUATIONS THAT WE DON'T HAVE DOWN HERE NECESSARILY. BUT THEY MAKE A STANDARD DOCUMENT SO IT FITS AS MANY THINGS AS POSSIBLE. I BELIEVE THERE'S THREE PARTS OF THIS ORDINANCE THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED FURTHER. I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH SOME OF THE GENTLEMEN HERE AND SOME OF THE DETAILS BUT I'D BE GLAD TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THEM. BUT THE THREE PARTS OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ARE THE FILL, THE FREE BOARD, AND THE 30% RULE.

NOW, THE CHANGES I'M SUGGESTING ARE COMMONSENSE, THEY'RE LOCALLY ORIENTED, AND THEY WOULD RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS. I WILL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE COSTS TO THE COMMUNITY WITH SEVERAL OF

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THESE ARTICLES ON THIS -- WE HAVE SOMETHING GOING AHEAD OF ME. BUT BASICALLY THESE CHANGES I'M TALKING ABOUT WOULD NOT AFFECT OUR ATTEMPT TO CHANGE OUR FEMA CSR RATING FROM THE CURRENT CLASS 6 TO CLASS 5 BASED UPON ALL OF THE THINGS I SEE HAPPENING. NOW ONE THING THAT HASN'T -- SOMETIMES WE DON'T BOIL SOME OF THIS STUFF DOWN TO THE ESSENCE. THE ESSENCE IS, YOU HAVE A HUGE POINT SYSTEM. AND YOU GET POINTS FOR JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING. THERE'S 19 MAJOR CATEGORIES AND HUNDREDS OF SUB-CATEGORIES THAT THE CONSULTANT IS HELPING THE CITY

WITH. AND THEY HAVE TO DOCUMENT ALL OF THOSE. BUT SO -- >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: AM I FINISHED? >> MAYOR MILLER: YOU HAVE THREE

MINUTES. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I THOUGHT YOU TOLD ME I HAVE 15 MINUTE TO MAKE

A PRESENTATION. >> YOU ARE NOT SCHEDULED AS A PRESENTATION.

>> MAYOR MILLER: WHEN YOU CAME UP YOU SAID I HAVE A PRESENTATION IT'S NOT GOING TO

FIT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOTCHA. OKAY.

>> MAYOR MILLER: WE CAN TAKE QUESTIONS IF ANY COMMISSIONER HAS A QUESTION. VICE MAYOR

KREGER. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I WOULD DISCUSS YOU MEET WITH THE FLOOD PLAN MANAGER AND DISCUSS THESE WITH THEM. IF IT'S APPROPRIATE --

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A MEETING. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: THAT'S

WHAT I AM SAYING >> THEY'RE RIGHT BEHIND YOU. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I KNOW THEY

ARE. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO MOVE ON.

THEY'LL BE MORE WILLING TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS. THEN IF IT'S DEEMED APPROPRIATE, IT CAN BE

INCLUDED IN THE SECOND READING. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: ALL RIGHT. >> MAYOR MILLER: ANYBODY ELSE?

>> COMMISSIONER: WHAT HE CAN ALSO DO IS COMPILE THE EMAIL TO UHL A OF YOU ON THE COMMISSION.

IF HE WANTS TO DO THAT AS WELL. >> MAYOR MILLER: DID YOU HEAR THAT, SIR?

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M SORRY? >> COMMISSIONER: IF YOU WANT TO COMPILE YOUR NOTES INTO AN EMAIL

AND EMAIL THAT TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND STAFF -- >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YOU CAN BE

GUARANTEED THAT. >> MAYOR MILLER: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I DO HAVE A MOTION AND A

SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER: MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> YOU ALREADY HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> MAYOR MILLER: I REPEAT. I DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND

ADD MA'AM CLERK IF YOU COULD CALL VOTE >> YES

>> YES >> YES >> YES

>> YES. >> MAYOR MILLER: ITEM 8.2. CODE AMENDMENT FOR CONSTRUCTION SITE

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MANAGEMENT. >> ORDINANCE 2019-27. ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH FLORIDA AMENDING CHAPTER 22 ARTICLE 3 COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CODE SECTION 22.65. APPLICATION FOR BUILDING PERMIT. CERTIFICATION OF DESIGN PLANS. AMENDING SECTION 22-68 MAJOR STRUCTURES. AMENDING SECTION 22-73 DESIGN CONDITIONS. CREATING A NEW ARTICLE 6. CONSTRUCTION SITE MANAGEMENT. CREATING SECTION 22-250 CONSTRUCTION SITE MANAGEMENT PLAN REQUIRED. CREATING SECTION 22-251 SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS. 22-252 APPROVAL OF PLAN AND WAIVERS. CREATING SECTION 22-253 GRADING PLAN SIR WATER MANAGEMENT SECTIONS. 22-254. CREATING 22-255 MATERIAL STORAGE. CREATING SECTION 232-256 SIGNS.

CREATING SECTION 22-257 SITE CLEANLINESS. CREATING SECTION 22.258 TEMPORARY TRAILERS.

CREATING SECTION 22-259, CHEMICAL TOILETS. CREATING SECTION 22-260, LANDSCAPING.

CREATING SECTION 22-261 DUMPSTERS. CREATING SECTION 22-262 PERMITTED DAYS AND HOURS FOR CONSTRUCTION WORK. CREATING SECTION 22-263 CONSTRUCTION RELATED TRAFFIC CONTROL.

CREATING SECTION 22-264 REQUIREMENTS DURING WEATHER EMERGENCY, PROVIDING FOR

SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> SPEAKER: STEPHEN BECKMAN, BUILDING OFFICIAL CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH. THAT SOUNDED LIKE A WHOLE LOT AND VERY COMPLICATED THERE BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A LOT SIMPLER THAN IT SOUNDS. IT BOILS DOWN TO THERE'S A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS ON CONSTRUCTION SITES IN THE CITY THAT WE FACE THAT WE HAVE ISSUES WITH. AND I'VE GOT EIGHT THINGS HERE WRITTEN PRETTY MUCH COVERS ALL THOSE THINGS. JUST TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT IT. WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO ESSENTIALLY IS WHEN SOMEONE IS SUBMITTING FOR A BUILDING PERMIT THEY'RE GOING TO SUBMIT A PLAN THAT SHOWS HOW THEY'RE GOING TO HANDLE THEIR BUILDING SITE. I'M GOING TO PUT UP A LITTLE EXAMPLE OF WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT HERE

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SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS A FAIRLY STRAIGHT FORWARD AND SIMPLE THING. IT SAYS IT DIDN'T WORK. ANY WAY, THIS PLAN YOU ARE GOING TO SUBMIT WITH YOUR BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION IS GOING TO BE A PIECE OF PAPER THAT'S GOING TO OUTLINE WHAT THE SITE LOOKS LIKE, WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS GOING TO BE, WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO PUT YOUR DUMPSTER, TOILET, WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO PARK, SO THERE ARE SITES THAT THE CITY AS YOU ARE AWARE OF THERE MAY BE LIMITED PARKING, FOR EXAMPLE. THIS WOULD HELP DEFINE THIS ALL AT SUBMISSION WITH YOUR PLAN TO SEE HOW YOU ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THESE THINGS. TREE PROTECTION. ON YOUR PLAN YOU ARE GOING TO SHOW WHERE THE TREES ARE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO PROTECT AND HOW ARE GOING TO PROTECT THEM. A DRAWING IS GOING TO SHOW THREE, FOUR TREES, HOW YOU ARE GOING TO PROTECT IT WITH FENCING OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER TO PROTECT THAT TREE. SITE DRAINAGE. HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE SITE DRAINAGE WHILE THE PROJECT IS HAPPENING. WHICH WAY THE WATER IS GOING TO FLOW FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND WHERE IT'S GOING EXIT THE PROPERTY. NUMBER 3: LOCATION OF DUMPSTERS, PORTA-POTTIES. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT PUT IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THEY'RE NOT ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY AND THAT SORT OF THING. IF YOU'VE GOT PERMISSION TO USE A VACANT LOT, A NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY YOU CAN. YOU CAN PROVIDE US WITH THAT INFORMATION AND USE THAT PROPERTY. BUT YOUR PLAN IS GOING TO SHOW THOSE ITEMS. LOCATION AND AMOUNT OF ON-SITE PARKING. AT THE BEGINNING OF THE JOB YOU MAY HAVE THE WHOLE YARD AND PLACES TO PARK FOUR OR CARS. BUT AS YOU FINISH YOU GOT A SMALL DRIVEWAY AND A PLACE TO PARK ONE CAR. YOU GOT TO HAVE A PLAN FOR WHERE EVERYBODY IS GOING TO PARK. IF YOU CAN PARK ON THE STREET AND THAT'S ALLOWED, GREAT. IF NOT, HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE THE OTHER VEHICLES. SO THAT WE DON'T BLOCK THE PUBLIC STREETS. IN THE PARKING AREA, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS STABILIZED SO THAT EH TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF THE CONSTRUCTION SITE ISN'T GOING TO DRAG ALL THE DIRT OR DEBRIS INTO THE STREETS AND CREATE ISSUES. LOCATION OF STORING MATERIALS. ON YOUR SITE YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ALLOTTED FOR A PLACE TO PUT THEM SO THEY'RE NOT ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OR HANGING OUT IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. SIGNAGE. WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE SIGN. WE'LL PROVIDE IT WHEN YOU GET YOUR PERMIT. IT'S NOT AN EXTRA COST BUT SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL HAVE IN THE SITE THAT'S GOING TO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY, THE CITY'S CONTACT NUMBER AND ON WHO THE BUILDER AND THEIR CONTRACT NUMBER. SO, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY OR SOMETHING AT THE SITE SOMEBODY WHO IS PASSING BY SEES IT THEY CAN PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL THAT NUMBER AND SOMEONE CAN RESPOND. HAVING THIS PLAN PROVIDED AT APPLICATION IS GOING TO HELP US ALL MAKE SURE WE'VE ADDRESSED THE ITEMS THAT ARE DIFFICULT ON A LOT OF THESE CONSTRUCTION SITES. SO A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE ALREADY IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE'RE JUST PUTTING IT TOGETHER. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A PLAN TO ADDRESS THEM AND THEN DURING THE COURSE OF THE JOB ANYBODY WHO IS WORKING THERE THAT CAN BE COMMUNICATED TO THE WORKERS.

THAT ALL PROJECTS SHOULD HAVE THEIR PLANS ON SITE AND THIS WOULD REMAIN ON SITE SO THAT WAY THIS CAN BE COMMUNICATED TO EVERYBODY. ONE THING THAT THE ORDINANCE INTRODUCES THAT'S NEW IS WORK HOURS FOR CONTRACTORS ON CONSTRUCTION SITES. SO, TO HELP DEAL WITH NOISE ISSUES OR COMPLAINTS IF YOU'VE GOT A CONSTRUCTION SITE RIGHT NEXT DOOR, AT 4 IN THE MORNING OR 5 IN THE MORNING THEY'RE NOT GOING TO START RUNNING A SKILL SAW OR JACK HAMMER. THERE'S GOING TO BE WORK THURES ARE, YOU KNOW, 6:30 A.M. TO 7:00 P.M. DURING THE WEEK. SUNDAYS ARE DAYS THAT WORK CAN'T HAPPEN UNLESS YOU HAVE PERMISSION TO DO SO. SO, THERE MAY BE A PROPERTY THAT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WORK CAN HAPPEN ON A SUNDAY BUT THEY WOULD NEED THORATION AUTHORIZATION TO DO SO. YOUR TYPICAL HOLIDAYS THAT WORK HOURS WOULD BE RESTRICTED. AND THEN THE BUILDING INSPECTORS FOR THE CITY AS WELL AS CITY CODE INSPECTORS CAN HELP WITH COMPLIANCE. SO, IF SOMEBODY'S GOT TRUSSES HANGING OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PLAN WHERE THEY SHOULD BE AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HELP KEEP OUR JOB SITES IN A PRESENTABLE, NEAT CONDITION. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO ADD THIS BUT I WAS WONDERING IF THIS COULD BE ADDED TO THIS ORDINANCE OR SOME OTHER ORDINANCE THAT NO CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN WITHOUT FINAL SITE

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PLAN APPROVAL AND THAT INCLUDES -- SO WHAT GOES ON NOW IS WITH THE PRELIMINARY FLAT YOU CAN GO TO CONSTRUCTION -- BEGINNING CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROADS AND--

>> SO SITE WORK WE CALL THAT. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, UNLESS YOU HAVE THE FINAL APPROVAL, THE FINAL APPROVAL, YOU CAN'T GO TO CONSTRUCTION. SO, NOTHING HAPPENS UNTIL EVERYTHING IS TAKEN CARE OF. ALL THE APPROVALS.

>> SPEAKER: YOUR TYPICAL BUILDING PLAN SHOULD HAVE A SITE, YOU KNOW, ASPECT TO IT

THAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHAT HAPPENED WITH AMELIA BLUFF IS THEY GOT THE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL THEN WHEN THEY WENT TO

THE FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE >> SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE PLAT. IT'S MORE THAN TRC. IN THAT CASE IT WAS A PLAT BEFORE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL THEY HAD

ALREADY STARTED SITE WORK. THAT'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO THAT

WOULD NOT BE THIS? >> NO. I MEAN, IF YOU WANT -- I HAVE NO PROBLEM PUTTING IT IN HERE, BUT I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO HAVE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. BECAUSE OF COURSE THE TWO DEPARTMENTS TALK TO EACH OTHER AND, YOU KNOW, JUST AS AN -- I HAVE NO

PROBLEM FITTING THAT IN FOR A SECOND READING. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I WONDER

WHAT ALL THE OTHER COMMISSION HAS OF TO SAY. >> MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR

KREGER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DUMPSTERS BE COVERED ADDED. IT NEVER FAILS DURING A WEATHER EVENT THAT WE HAVE PROBLEMS. BUT WE HAVE WEATHER EVENTS ALL THE TIME HERE. NOR'EASTERS ARE COMMON, WE GET TRASH ALL OVER THE ROADS.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THEY'RE COVERED, YOU KNOW, PERIOD. >> SPEAKER: I HAND WROTE IN HERE. NUMBER 8 DEALS WITH WEA WEATHER EMERGENCIES. FOR EXAMPLE, REQUIREMENTS FOR HANDLING A JOB SITE PRIOR TO A STORM, SECURING MATERIALS, SECURING DUMPSTERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I BELIEVE THIS OUTLINES THAT DUMPSTERS CANNOT BE OVERFLOWING. THEY HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED IN A PROPER MANNER. SO, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, WE SHOW UP ON A JOB SITE THE DUMPSTER IS OVERFLOWING AND THERE'S PILES OF TRASH, WE CAN ASK THEM TO PLEASE HAVE THAT REMOVED, CHANGED, EMPTIED, AND HOPEFULLY THEY COMPLY AND DO THAT. BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SITE THEN THE CONSTRUCTION SITE CAN BE SHUT DOWN. THEY CAN BE STOPPED. USUALLY IT'S NOT GOING TO GO TO THAT. SOMEONE IS GOING TO EMPTY

THE DUMPSTER. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: FOR DEMOLITION, YOU KNOW, I NOTICE THAT -- I'VE SEEN DEMOLITION WHERE THEY'RE NOT WATERING THE SITE. AND, YOU KNOW, THESE BUILDINGS DO HAVE ASBESTOS IN THEM. ALMOST ALL THE OLD BUILDINGS. THE DEBRIS AND THE DUST, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR ANYWHERE

THAT WHEN DEMOLITION OCCURS THAT SITE BE WATERED? >> SPEAKER: I DO NOT BELIEVE SO.

I'M NOT SURE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S VERY MANY REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIFYING THE PROCEDURES

FOR DEMOLITION. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT. YOU GET A LOT OF DUST. YOU GET ASBESTOS NOT PROBABLY A LOT BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE HOUSE. BUT JUST THE DUST IS A HAZARD. I MENTION IT BECAUSE TWO HOUSES ON NORTH FLETCHER ONE WAS DEMOED PROPERLY WITH SPRINKLERS AND THE OTHER WAS NOT AND IT WAS A DISASTER.

>> SPEAKER: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PLAN TO DO TO HELP ADDRESS THESE THINGS ON YOUR PERMIT APPLICATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR A DEMOLITION WE'D SPECIFICALLY OUTLINE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT WORK AND MAKE SURE THE NECESSARY ITEMS FOR DEMO ARE DONE.

>> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: BEFORE YOU REQUIRE DUMPSTERS TO BE COVERED I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE DUMPSTER COMPANIES. HAVING WORKED WITH A DUMPSTER I HAD A DUMPSTER REMODELING A HOUSE THAT'S NOT SUCH A SIMPLE REQUEST

TO HAVE A COVERED DUMPSTER. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: IT'S A TARP.

>> COMMISSIONER: THERE'S ALL KINDS OF WAY TO COVER A DUMPSTER.

>> SPEAKER: CORRECT. AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A STORM COMING, FOR EXAMPLE, AND WE HAVE DUMPSTERS THAT ARE ANYWHERE FROM FULL DOWN TO SOMETHING IN THE DUMPSTER, DUMPSTER COMPANIES GET OVERLOADED WITH REQUESTS TO CHANGE OUT EMPTY DUMPSTERS. YOU CAN SAY I NEED IT EMPTIED AND YOU GET ON THE LIST AND IF THEY DON'T GET THERE TO DUMP IT IN TIME EVEN PUTTING A TARP OVER THE DUMPSTER IS GOING TO HELP TO SOME DEGREE. SO THE REQUIREMENTS OF GETTING READY

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FOR A STORM, YOU KNOW, YEAH THE NUMBER ONE THING YOU WANT TO DO IS HAVE THE DUMPSTER EMPTIED.

BUT IF IT DOESN'T GET EMPTIED THAT'S MEASURES YOU CAN TAKE TO PROTECT THE DEBRIS FROM BECOMING FLYING DEBRIS. AND SOME OF IT IS JUST A MATTER OF DO THE BEST YOU CAN AND DO SOMETHING VERSUS

NOTHING. >> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH?

>> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: DID WE DECIDE THE FINAL PERMIT ISSUE?

>> MAYOR MILLER: HE ASKED FOR INPUT AND YOUR LIGHT IS ON. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I WOULD AGREE WITH HIS POINT THAT NO CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BEGIN BEFORE A FINAL PERMIT IS ISSUED.

>> MAYOR MILLER: I WOULD AGREE AS WELL. LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID THAT'S A LAND DEVELOPMENT

CODE CHANGE. >> YES. >> ARE THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE THAT THERE ARE TIMES THAT SOMEBODY COULD APPLY FOR A FOUNDATION ONLY PERMIT AND BE ALLOWED TO START BEFORE FINAL ISSUANCE OF THE WHOLE PERMIT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CERTAIN THE PROJECT CAB HAPPEN AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO START WITH A FOUNDATION THAT IS GOING TO BE DENIED AND END UP WITH SOMETHING IN THE GROUND. BUT THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR THAT TO TAKE PLACE.

>> MAYOR MILLER: CITY ATTORNEY? >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT WE CALL "SITE WORK" CURB AND GUTTER, UTILITIES, INSTALLATION, THINGS LIKE THAT DON'T COME UNDER YOUR PURVIEW.

>> SPEAKER: CORRECT. >> THOSE ALMOST HAPPEN IF YOU GO IN ORDER HOW A PROJECT HAPPENS, THOSE HAPPEN FIRST THEN THE BUILDING PERMITS. SO I CAN, AGAIN, PUT IT IN THIS ORDINANCE AS A CROSS-REFERENCE BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE NEEDS TO CHANGE. AND I'LL TRY TO WORK THAT TOO. BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER ROSS IS ASKING, ARE YOU ALL OKAY WITH THAT OR AT LEAST MOST OF YOU THAT WE GO AHEAD AND PURSUE THAT? BECAUSE THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE OBVIOUSLY WITH AMELIA BLUFF AND IT WASN'T GOOD FOR THE AMELIA BLUFF DEVELOPERS TO PUT ALL THAT WORK IN AND, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY NOT GET FINAL APPROVAL ALSO. SO I THINK IT HELPS NOT JUST THE CITY IN MAKING SURE THESE PROJECTS GO THE RIGHT WAY BUT ALSO THE

PROPERTY OWNERS. >> MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER?

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I SUPPORT THAT. IT WAS A PROBLEM AT THE YMCA AT AMELIA PARK. SO, IT IS

A RECURRING PROBLEM. >> CAN DO. I'LL GO FULL FORWARD ON THAT ONE.

>> SPEAKER: ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS IS A COORDINATION OF EFFORTS THAT WHEN A PERMIT IS APPLIED FOR THAT, AGAIN, OUR PERMIT APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS WILL SPECIFY THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE WE CAN TAKE THE APPLICATION IN.

SO, ADDRESSING SITE DRAINAGE, ADDRESSING SOME OF THE SITE TYPISH YOUS ALONG WITH THAT SUBMITTAL OF THE PERMIT APPLICATION, AGAIN IT'S KIND OF A COORDINATED EFFORT BUT IF WE HAVE ON OUR APPLICATION THE REQUIRED ITEMS AND THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS THEN, YOU KNOW, IT CAN

BE ADDRESSED IN THAT MANNER AS WELL. >> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER

LEDNOVICH? >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE A POINT ON 22-262 SECTION 2, SUB-PARAGRAPH C, EMERGENCY AND SPECIAL TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION. PAGE 9 OF 11.

SO IT TALKS ABOUT EMERGENCY OPERATIONS OF DREDGES, DRAG LINES, OTHER MACHINERY REQUIRING A PERMIT IN ORDER TO OPERATE THOSE OUTSIDE OF NORMAL HOURS. WELL, IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY OUTSIDE OF NORMAL HOURS, THE PERMIT DEPARTMENT IS NOT GOING TO BE OPEN. AND IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY, IF I GOT FLOODING OR SOMETHING GOING ON ON A SITE, I'M RUNNING THE EQUIPMENT. SO,

YOU MIGHT WANT TO REWORK THAT PARAGRAPH >> I THINK THE INTENT IS FOR

MORE THE WEEKENDS OR AFTER HOURS OR HOLIDAYS WHERE YOU'VE GOT -- >> COMMISSIONER: I UNDERSTAND.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO BREAK IT OUT. >> REWORD IT. AGREE >> COMMISSIONER: BREAK IT OUT INTO TWO PARAGRAPHS. SPECIAL TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION THEN EMERGENCIES. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER: I RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER: SECOND.

>> MAYOR MILLER: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MADAM CLERK IF WE COULD PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> YES. >> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES. >> MAYO

>> MAYOR MILLER: ORDINANCE SECOND READING -- ARE WE GOOD? YOU WANT A BREAK?

>> COMMISSIONER: YEP. JUST FIVE. >> MAYOR MILLER: SURE. WE'LL

TAKE A >> MAYOR MILLER: WE ARE ALL BACK. SECTION 9. THE BUILDING

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DEPARTMENT AND PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT COMBINED. CITY ATTORNEY?

>> ORDINANCE 20-19-24 ON ARD NANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH FLORIDA ESTABLISHING AND AMENDING FEES FOR THE BUILDING AND PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENTS PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR

PUBLIC HEARING. >> MAYOR MILLER: ANYONE? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENT. ONE THAT THE COST OF SERVICES ANALYSIS BE PRESENTED AT THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY OF 2020 SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE SERVICES ARE COSTING. AND, TWO, SINCE NASSAU COUNTY DOES NOT OFFER BASIC PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAM AND MANY COUNTY RESIDENTS USE CITY PARKS AND RECREATION SERVICES WHICH ARE SUBSIDIZED BY CITY TAXPAYERS DETERMINE WHEN AN APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION WOULD BE TO SUPPORT CITY PARK AND REC SERVICES USED BY RESIDENTS EITHER BY DIRECT SUBSIDY FROM THE COUNTY OR BY A PREMIUM PRICING AND PRESENT THAT PLAN AT THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY OF 2020 ALONG WITH THE OTHERS.

>> COMMISSIONER: I'LL SECOND THAT. >> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. DID

YOU SAY MAY OR THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: MAY.

>> OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: THAT'S SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I THINK WE NEED -- THERE WAS A COST OF SERVICES ANALYSIS DONE BY DAVE LOTT AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AGAIN TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR SERVICES ARE COSTING FPG NUMBER 2, BACK IN 202012 IT WAS A 25% PREMIUM. THAT MAY BE WHAT'S EFFECTIVE BUT I THINK WE SHOULD'VE DATA ON WHAT IS EFFECTIVE. SHOULD IT BE MORE THAN THAT AND WHAT IS IT EXACTLY? HOW MUCH ARE WE SUBSIDIZING THE COUNTY WITH OUR PARKS AND REC SYSTEM AND SEE IF WE CAN GET MONEY FROM THEM.

THERE'S NO PARKS AND REC SYSTEM IN THE COUNTY. THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A DIRECTOR. SO I THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE THING TO MAKE OUR SYSTEM MORE FAIR FOR OUR CITY TAXPAYERS.

>> MAYOR MILLER: I DO HAVE A SECOND ON THIS. SO, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE PARKS AND RECREATION ASPECT. I'M LOOKING AT THIS NOW AND IT'S ONLY THREE CHANGES BUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ONE IS EXTENSIVE. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKS AND REC SESSION?

>> THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE THAT'S PRESENTED TONIGHT IN THE FEE SCHEDULE. YOU WILL SEE ALL

THOSE PAGES BUT THE ONLY THING HIGHLIGHTED IS PARKS AND REC. >> MAYOR MILLER: I'M LOOKING AT BOTH OF THEM. IT IS THE SECOND READING ON SOMETHING THAT THERE'S ONLY THREE SMALL ITEMS ON THE SECOND READING. ARE YOU ASKING FOR A COMPLETE LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PROGRAM?

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES, THE COST OF SERVICES FOR ALL THE PROGRAMS.

>> MAYOR MILLER: ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A SECOND READING ON -- >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I UNDERSTAND THAT. I AM APPROVING THIS. THEN SAYING IN ADDITION TO THAT, WITHIN SIX MONTHS, SO WHEN WE'RE IN TO THE NEW BUDGETING CYCLE, WE HAVE THAT DATA.

>> MAYOR MILLER: SO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NEXT YEAR? OKAY. THANK YOU. I MAV A MOTION AND A

SECOND. IF WE CAN CALL VOTE PLEASE. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES. >> YES.

>> YES. >> YES. >> MAYOR MILLER: IT ECHLT TEN BOARD APPOINTMENTS. ITEM 10.1. THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION. WE HAVE TWO APPOINTMENTS. DO I

[Item 10.1]

HAVE A MOTION? >> COMMISSIONER: RECOMMEND THAT MR. MCKEY AND CONCORD BE

REAPPOINTED TO THE AAC. >> COMMISSIONER: SECOND. >> MAYOR MILLER: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MADAM CLERK PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. YES. PRESENT ITEM 10.2 THE ARTS

[Item 10.2]

AND CULTURE NASSAU. WE HAVE ONE APPOINTMENT HERE. >> COMMISSIONER: MOVE TO APPOINT

MS. PENNY REID TO THE ARTS AND CULTURE NASSAU BOARD. >> COMMISSIONER: SECOND.

>> MAYOR MILLER: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> YES >> YES >> YES

>> YES >> YES IN >> YES.

>> MAYOR MILLER: SECTION 11 CITY COMMISSION DISCUSSION ITEMS. 11.1 LAND CONSERVATION. THIS

ITEM PLACED ON THE AGENDA AT THE REQUEST OF >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH:.

>> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I'M GOING YIELD MY TIME BACK TO THE CHAIR.

>> MAYOR MILLER: YOU DON'T HAVE TO YIELD TIME YOU HAVE ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD TO TALK. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S FINE. BUT YOU CAN TALK AS LONG AS YOU WANT ON THESE THINGS.

NOT LIMITED WHATSOEVER. ITEM 11.2 THIS IS THE WATERFRONT PARK DEVELOPMENT. THIS WAS PLACED ON

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THE AGENDA AT THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: THE

[Item 11.3]

SAME. >> MAYOR MILLER: 11.3. FLORIDA OCEAN ALLIANCE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR FLORIDA'S OCEANS AND COASTS. THIS ITEM IS PLACED ON THE AGENDA AT THE REQUEST OF

VICE MAY VICE MAYOR KREGER. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: CAN YOU PUT UP MY POWER POINT THERE? HURRICANE DORA NORTH END HIGHEST WINDS OF THE HURRICANE AT THE HIGHEST TIDE WHICH IS 7 POINT SOMETHING TIDE. I LIKE THAT PICTURE. FLORIDA OCEAN ALLIANCE HAS BEEN TASKED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA GIVEN $500,000 GRANT TO ESTABLISH A COASTAL RESILIENCE PLAN BY JUNE 30, 2020, WHICH IS PRETTY FAST. IT'S TO IMPROVE COASTAL RESILIENCE AND PROTECT THE FLORIDA COAST, COASTAL ECONOMY, IMPROVE CONSERVATION AND MANAGEMENT FOR SIGNIFICANT OCEAN AND COASTAL RESOURCES AND PROVIDE ACTIONS TO PROMOTE RESTORATION AND RECOVERY OF THE COASTAL HABITATS AND RESOURCES. NEXT SLIDE, DALE. THIS IS AN INTERESTING STUDY BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO EVOLVE FROM THIS IS GOING TO BE STATE LAW. AND WE, I BELIEVE, WANT TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT THE WATER ISSUES AND THE LEGISLATION. WE'RE PART OF IT BY WE'VE ACKNOWLEDGED TO THE ALLIANCE THAT WE WANT TO BE PART OF IT AND THEY'RE AT THE VERY STAGES. SO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AND WE WILL. I'VE TALKED TO THE CEO OF THE AGENCY AND THEY'RE JUST STARTING TO COMPILE DATA. MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE'RE NOT PART OF IT WE'RE GOING TO GET LEGISLATION HERE THAT IS NOT IN OUR BEST INTEREST. AND SOUTH FLORIDA IS REAL STRONG ABOUT MOVING AHEAD. SO IT'S JUST INFORMATION. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS POST HURRICANE MATTHEW AND THIS IS POST HURRICANE IRMA. I SHOW YOU THOSE PICTURES BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE AFFECT OF OUR RE-NOURISHMENT PROGRAM SINCE 1988 HAS DONE FOR THE BEACHES. YOU ARE GOING TO SEE ANOTHER PHOTO. THAT IS INFORMATION ON SOMETHING THAT'S BRAND-NEW AND IT'S GOING RESULT IN A LAW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TELL US WHAT WE HAVE TO DO ON OUR BEACHES. SO WE WANT TO PLAN TO BE PART OF IT. WOULD YOU DO THAT OTHER SLIDE? I SNUCK THIS

ONE IN THERE. >> I GOT TO FIND THAT ONE. I'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THAT ONE.

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: THIS IS ON RE-NOURISHMENT. >> I DIDN'T LOAD THAT ONE.

>> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH? >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE FLORIDA OCEAN ALLIANCE. YOU SAID WE WANT TO BE PART OF IT. HOW DO

WE BECOME PART OF IT? >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I'VE CONTACTED THE HEAD OF THE AGENCY. I'M ON THE EMAIL LIST. I'VE MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS TO THEM ABOUT THAT AND IT SUPPORTS WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS RESILIENCY AND WE'LL PUMP THAT INTO THE SYSTEM SO THAT WE DON'T

GET LEFT BEHIND. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: IS THERE A FORMAL APPLICATION?

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: NO THIS IS BRAND-NEW. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH:

THERE'S NOTHING IN WRITING. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I GOT EMAILS. THERE'S NO APPLICATION.

THEY'RE LOOKING FOR STAKEHOLDER INPUT. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: GOT

IT. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHEN YOU PRESENT YOURSELF IDEAS ARE YOU REPRESENTING YOURSELF OR THIS

COMMISSION? >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: WHEN I PRESENT MY IDEAS THEY'LL COME THROUGH HERE. AND THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY MANAGER AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL BE

PART OF IT. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHOLE DIFFERENT QUESTION. ARE YOU REPRESENTING YOURSELF OR ARE YOU REPRESENTING US? BECAUSE IF YOU ARE REPRESENTING US, THEN ALL

THAT NEEDS TO COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: THAT IS

WHAT I JUST SAID. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO BEFORE YOU HAVE ANY COMMUNICATION WITH

ANY THOUGHTS YOU ARE GOING TO PRESENT THEM TO THE COMMISSION? >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: BEFORE I

SEND ANYTHING YOU WILL SEE IT, YEP. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: THANK YOU.

>> >> MAYOR MILLER: WE DON'T HAVE THE SLIDE. HE CAN'T FIND IT.

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>> I REMEMBER THE DAYS WHEN YOU COULDN'T BRING DISKS, THUMB DRIVES, NOTHING.

>> MAYOR MILLER: IT HAD TO BE VIRAL SCANNED. I REMEMBER THAT TOO. YOU DID IT DAYS IN

ADVANCE. COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I DON'T MIND YOU PUTTING THE SLIDE UP BUT IN THE FUTURE WHEN OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANT TO DO THAT I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THE WHOLE

THING WHERE YOU CAN'T DO IT. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: YOU GOT THIS EMAIL.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: NOT ON FRIDAY. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: YOU GOT THIS EMAIL. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT POWER POINT PRESENTATIONS. IT IS THE

2019-2020 RE-NOURISHMENT. >> MAYOR MILLER: BE CAREFUL THAT IS HIS PERSONAL THUMB DRIVE.

DON'T PICK THE WRONG ONE

>> SO YOU ARE SAYING BECAUSE WE ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES HERE, THAT YOU SUBMITTED THIS TO DALE

BY FRIDAY LAST WEEK? >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: YEAH. >> OKAY.

>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: THAT PICTURE IS NORTH END 1964. THERE IS NO BEACH. NEXT SLIDE.

ALL RIGHT. IT'S STARTING NEXT WEEK. ON THE 26TH THERE WAS A PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING WHICH ALL CITY STAFF ATTENDED. TODAY THE U.S. CORPS OF ENGINEERS ISSUED A PRESS RELEASE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE STARTING NEXT WEEK. STAGING PIPE AND BY PROBABLY THE FIRST TEN DAYS IN DECEMBER THEY'RE GOING TO BE FLOATING PIPE ON TO OUR BEACHES. THEY'LL START AT THE JETTY AND FLOAT THAT ON TO FORT CLENCH AND THEY'LL BE STARTING THE FILL. THE FILL WILL START ON THE NORTH END AND EXTEND PROBABLY -- IF TO MAIN BEACH AT ALL. THE FILL WILL COMMENCE THE DREDGES WILL BE HERE. THERE WILL BE TWO HOPPER DREDGES. ONE JANUARY. THEY'LL START PUMPING AS SOON AS THEY CAN. ONCE THEY START PUMPING IT'S GOING TO BE 30 DAYS. THE CORPS IS SAYING THEY'LL BE DONE -- THEY HAVE TO BE OUT OF HERE IN 30 DAYS BUT THEY HAVE TO BE OUT OF HERE BY THE 30TH OF APRIL AT THE VERY LATEST. THEY WILL BE PUMPING 24/7 AND THEY'LL HAVE LIGHTS ON THE BEACH AND THEY'LL BE P PUMPING. ALL BEACH ACCESSES THAT ARE SAFE WILL BE OPEN WITH ADA ACCESS AT NORTH BEACH PARK WHICH WILL BE THE ONLY ADA BEACH THAT'S IN IT. AND THEY WILL HAVE SAFETY MONITORS. THE BOTTOM POINT, THIS IS A $15 MILLION PROJECT FUNDED TOTALLY BY THE U.S. NAVY UNDER THE NAVY STATE OF FLORIDA AGREEMENT WHICH IS WHAT THEY -- IT'S NOT AN AGREEMENT WITH FERNANDINA BEACH. IT IS A STATE OF FLORIDA AGREEMENT. AND I BROUGHT THAT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE STARTING SOON AND I WANTED THE PUBLIC TO KNOW IT'S COMING UP. NEXT PICTURE. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. THAT'S ACTUALLY THE 2008 PICTURE. YOU SEE THE PIPE RUNNING DOWN FROM FORT CLINCH TO MAIN BEACH AND THAT'S LOOKING AT IT FROM THE EAST.

THAT IS IT. >> MAYOR MILLER: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I LOOKED AT THE TITLES OF SOME OF THOSE THINGS YOU MIGHT WANT THAT BACK. APPROVAL OF -- WHERE ARE WE? THIS IS 11.4. SUNSET CERTAIN ADVISORY BOARD AND COMMITTEES. THIS IS THE COMMUNITY

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DEVELOPMENT BLOCK CITIZEN GRANT TASK FORCE, PECK CENTER COMMITTEE, PUBLIC, EDUCATIONAL AND GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE. COMMISSIONER ROSS YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR. BEFORE WE DO

THAT, DO YOU WANT TO GO OVER WHAT THIS IS? >> THESE THREE COMMITTEES HAVE NOT MET SINCE -- THE LAST MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT TASK FORCE WAS 2014. THE PECK CENTER COMMITTEE, THEIR LAST MEETING WAS HELD IN 20 LE 1 THE PEG COMMITTEE, PUBLIC EDUCATIONAL GOVERNMENT, THAT IS FOR THE CHANNEL, THE GOVERNMENT PROVIDED CHANNEL, THE LAST MEETING WAS IN 2012. SO I KNOW THE CITY CLERK SENT AN EMAIL TO THE CITY MANAGER AND I AND SAID YOU SHOULD BRING THIS TO THE COMMISSION. WE STILL HAVE MAINTAIN RECORDS AND ALL OF THAT FOR THOSE COMMITTEES. SO, WANTED TO SEE IF YOU WANTED TO

SUNSET THEM. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU

ARE RECOGNIZED. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: THANK YOU. THE COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT. ANY PLAN WITHOUT FUNDING SOURCE IS JUST A DREAM. THE COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT CAN BE USED FOR FUNDING OUR WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE CURRENTLY $100,000 IN THE BANK FROM A COMMUNITY BLACK -- BLOCK GRANT. BEFORE YOU CAN GO FOR A COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT YOU HAVE

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TO HAVE A COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SO I WAS WONDERING IF WE MIGHT HAVE STAFF LOOK INTO HOW THE COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT SYSTEM COULD BE USED TO HELP FUND OUR WATERFRONT

DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. >> MAYOR MILLER: RATHER THAN SUMMARIZING A NEW COMMITTEE FOR

THAT. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH ON COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANTS AND THEY FUND ALL KINDS OF THINGS. AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE THAT TO FUND OUR WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT. I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PARK BUT THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT

MAY BE WORTHWHILE TO NOT SUNSET THAT ONE BUT TO -- >> MAYOR MILLER: YOU WANT TO DO

A MOTION, SIR? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SAY IN THE

MOTION? >> MAYOR MILLER: MOVE TO APPROVE 11.4 WITH THE RETRACTION

>> THIS IS JUST DISCUSSION. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: BUT IF STAFF COULD LOOK INTO -- BECAUSE I TALKED WITH THE GRANT ADMINISTRATOR AND THERE ARE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES THERE.

>> THEY HAVE NO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF GRANTS. THE LAST ONE I REMEMBER DEALING WITH I THINK IT WAS CDBG. IT WAS HOUSING ASSI ASSISTANCE, $700,000. IT HELPED

A LOT OF PEOPLE. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: BUT YOU NEED A GRANT COMMITTEE TO SCHMOOZE THE SYSTEM. AND I WOULD AGREE WITH SUNSETTING THE OTHER TWO.

>> MAYOR MILLER: AND WE DO HAVE THE SPEAKER ON ONE OF THOSE COMMITTEES. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING

IS -- LET'S LET THE SPEAKER GO FIRST. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE COMMISSIONER

ROSS IS RECOMMENDING WE HOLD ON TO CDGB >> MAYOR MILLER: DO YOU NEED

THAT IN VOTE. >> I WOULD BRING A RESOLUTION. >> MAYOR MILLER: GREAT. I DO

HAVE REQUESTS TO SPEAK ON THIS. MS. BONNIE DICKENS, WELCOME. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: BONNIE DICKENS 132 SOUTH 15TH STREET. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE HAD A PUBLIC EDUCATION AND GOVERNMENT UNTIL I SAW IT WAS GOING TO BE SUN-SETTED. SO I WENT AND LOOKED IT UP AND I AM WONDERING, I DON'T REALLY CARE WHETHER WE HAVE A COMMITTEE OR NOT, BUT WHY DON'T WE DO NOR WITH OUR PUBLIC PUBLIC TELEVISION CHANNEL? WHAT'S HOLDING US BACK FROM DOING SOMETHING IN BETWEEN THE

MEETINGS? >> MAYOR MILLER: THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. I MADE THE -- HOW MANY YEARS HAVE I BEEN ON THAT NOW? IT SHOWS A POWER POINT PRESENTATION ALL DAY LONG. IF YOU LEAVE OUT THERE -- IF THE COMMISSION MEETING IS ON MY MOTHER WATCHES IT. I SO TURN ON THE TV IN HER HOUSE AND IT IS THE SAME POWER POINT. THERE'S GREAT VIDEOS THAT GENTLEMAN DOES

WITH ALL THE CHURCH ACTIVITIES AND PROGRAMS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SO FAR I'VE

ONLY SEEN A BUNCH OF GARBAGE. >> MAYOR MILLER: I REACHED OUT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND I'VE CALLED THE SCHOOL AND MRTORS LOCALLY, THE HIGH SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY STILL HAVE STUDENT A. V. PROGRAM AND I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO LET THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS TO HAVE ACCESS TO GO OUT TO THE GREENWAY AND FILM WILD LIFE OR INTERVIEW LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS AND JUST KIND OF -- TWO BIRDS ONE STONE. THEY CAN EDUCATE THE CITY AND PRACTICE THEIR INTERVIEWING. BUT I HAVE NEVER GOTTEN ANYTHING BACK. WHICH, I MEAN, I CAN TRY

AGAIN. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: OPHTHEN SAYS IN THERE THAT CITIZENS COULD PUT

THINGS ON THERE. THEY JUST HAVE TO BE APPROVED. >> MAYOR MILLER: ONLY ONE GENTLEMAN STEPPED UP. YOU SEE HIM ALMOST EVERY EVENT -- SIR NELSON. DAWSON. HE IS FANTASTIC. WE NEED MORE OF THAT. BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD -- I MEAN, I GUESS --

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: IS IT MONEY OR LACK OF INTEREST? >> MAYOR MILLER: LACK OF

INTEREST. I NEVER GOT ONE PHONE CALL RETURNED. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: BECAUSE I THINK THERE MIGHT BE NOW SOMEBODY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THAT COMMITTEE.

>> MAYOR MILLER: WE CHANGED OUR CHANNELS. WAS THAT STILL THE SAME PROVIDER? DIDN'T WE HAVE A

CONTRACT WITH COMCAST? >> IT IS STILL THE SAME CHANNEL. I BELIEVE THAT THE IT WAS TOO RESTRICTIVE. WHAT COULD AND COULD NOT BE PUT ON THE CHANNEL WAS EXTREMELY RESTRICTIVE AND CUMBERSOME. THE REGULATIONS WERE CUMBERSOME. AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE LOST INTEREST.

>> THE OTHER THING I THINK, AND I HIS THAT I THINK WITH YOUTUBE AND SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU DON'T NEED A PEG CHANNEL TO SEE A VIDEO. FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T HAVE COMCAST CABLE SO I CAN'T EVEN GET THE PEG CHANNEL, BUT I CERTAINLY CAN GO ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, WATCH -- AND IF I WANT TO SEE VIDEOS I CAN -- I THINK THAT MAY BE THE REASON. THE REASON I HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF THIS IS BECAUSE THE PEG COMMITTEE, NUMBER 1, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THEY ONLY HAD A FEW MEETINGS. THEY HAD PROBLEMS GETTING A QUORUM. AND SO THE CITY COMMISSION DID NOT APPOINT NEW MEMBERS. BECAUSE WE HAD IN THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE PEG COMMITTEE REALLY OR ITS MAIN

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PURPOSE WAS TO REVIEW CONTENT THAT CAME IN FROM CITIZENS OR NOT-FOR-PROFIT GROUPS. AND THERE WAS NO FUNDRAISING AT ALL ALLOWED. AND THAT'S REALLY A RULE THAT WE PUT IN PLACE RULES.

SO, THE PEG COMMITTEE WAS THERE TO REVIEW CONTENT AND DECIDE IF IT COULD GO ON THE PEG CHANNEL.

THAT PROCESS DIDN'T WORK. NOW THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND IT'S KATIE NEWTON IN MY OFFICE AND SHE MAY ASK ME QUESTIONS TO SEE IF IT FOLLOWS WHAT OUR POLICY IS FOR THE CHANNEL. WE ONLY GET SIR DAWSON MAYBE THREE OR FOUR TIMES A YEAR NOW. GOING AROUND TO COMMUNITY EVENTS AND CHURCHES

AND THINGS. >> MAYOR MILLER: SO THE CHANNEL WON'T BE GOING AWAY.

>> AND MY OFFICE CAN STILL REVIEW CONTENT. IF PEOPLE WANT TO USE IT AND WE WANT TO GET

MORE INTEREST IN IT, GREAT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL ON AGING I THINK THERE'S ONE OF THEIRS THAT KEEPS COMING UP AND THEY SAY THAT'S TERRIBLY OUTDATED AND THEY WOULD

LIKE TO UPDATE IT BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT IT. >> MAYOR MILLER: THAT WAS YEARS AGO. I ALWAYS PICTURED IT BEING LIKE WHEN YOU GO ON VACATION AND TURN THE TV ON IN THE HOTEL ROOM AND IT'S ALREADY ON A STATION LIKE VERY GAS DOES IT AND NEW Y DOES IT. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT WATER RESCUE DO ABOUT RIP TIDES SO IT WOULD HAVE REVIEWS OF DIFFERENT THINGS. AND THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE I'M SURE

>> ONE OF THE THINGS I CAN TELL YOU THAT COMES TO MIND TONIGHT IS, AND THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING WE WORRIED ABOUT YEARS AGO WHEN THE PEG CHANNEL POLICIES WERE PUT IN PLACE, AND THAT'S CLOSED CAPTIONING. BECAUSE I THINK JUST LIKE OUR WEBSITE, JUST LIKE THE VIDEOS OF THE CITY COMMISSION AND BOARD MEETINGS, WE MAY BE LIABLE IF WE DON'T CLOSE CAPTION CONTENT THAT THE CITY PUTS OUT THERE. BUT WE STILL WILL WELCOME FOR RIGHT NOW ANYWAY CITIZEN CONTENT. ALL THAT CAN GET SUBMITTED TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE SURE IT COMPLIES. SO,

GET THE WORD OUT. >> MAYOR MILLER: CITY MANAGER MAYBE WE COULD HAVE OUR PUBLIC RELATIONS DEPARTMENT PUT SOMETHING OUT WITH A GUIDELINE OF WHAT CONTENT IS ALLOWABLE.

IT'S JUST ANOTHER YOUTUBE CHANNEL. >> SINCE IT'S COMCAST, I'M GOING

LET THEM WORRY ABOUT CLOSED CAPTIONING. >> MAYOR MILLER: EXACTLY.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: ONE LAST THING. TODAY OR YESTERDAY THERE WAS A CITY MAINTENANCE CREW THAT WAS MOWING THE RIGHT-OF-WAYS AND THE GRASS WAS ONLY THIS TALL TO START WITH SO THEY WASTED A

WHOLE LOT OF TIME JUST DRIVING UP AND DOWN. >> MAYOR MILLER: WHERE WAS THIS?

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: ON 15TH AND BEACH. AND THEY WERE GOING UP AND DOWN ALL THE RIGHT-OF-WAYS.

BUT THERE WAS NO REASON TO CUT THOSE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO GRASS THERE.

>> MAYOR MILLER: THEY MAY HAVE BEEN GOING TO ONE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO ANOTHER.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THEY CAME UP AND DOWN. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY WE COULD PROBABLY SAVE TAXPAYER MONEY IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THEM CUT THINGS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE CUT.

>> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU MA'AM. OKAY. SO, DO YOU HAVE THE GUIDANCE YOU NEED?

>> I DO. >> MAYOR MILLER: GREAT. ITEM 12. THIS IS TO APPROVE THE

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ALTERNATE CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING DATE. THE PROPOSED ALTERNATE DATE FOR NOVEMBER 3, 2020, REGULAR MEETING DATE TO NOVEMBER NOVEMBER 4, 2020,

>> >> COMMISSIONER: MONTH TO APPROVE

>> >> COMMISSIONER:. >> MAYOR MILLER: MADAM CLERK

CALL THE VOTE PLEASE >> YES. >> YES. YES. YES. YES

YES. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I GOT TO VOTE TWICE. IS THAT LEGAL?

CAN WE DO THAT IN NOVEMBER NOVEMBER? >> MAYOR MILLER: CITY MANAGER

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REPORTS? >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MAYOR INFORMED ME OF ONGOING ISSUES OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE MARINA. SPECIFICALLY THE DINGY DOCKS AND COMMENTS THAT THE CITY'S NOT DOING ENOUGH TO MOVE THE MARINA FORWARD. I'D LIKE TO TRY TO DISPEL SOME OF THOSE. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF THE FACT THAT FOR TWO YEARS THE U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS FAY FOUGHT THAT KEEP THAT MARINA FROM BEING NOT ONLY REOPENED BUT REBUILT. IT WAS THIS CITY COMMISSION THAT FOUGHT THE FIGHT TO REESTABLISH THE MARINA. AND THAT IS OFTEN OVERLOOKED, THE EFFORTS OF THIS CITY COMMISSION. IT WAS ALSO ASSISTED BY THE ADVOCACY OF CONGRESSMAN JIM RUTH RUTHERFORD, FINE COMMISSIONER LEN WILLIAMS AND MR. BUDDY J JACOBS WORKING ON BEHALF TO GET THE MARINA REBUILT. THE CITY CONTINUES AS COMMISSIONER ROSS HAS POINTED OUT ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS TO SUBSIDIZE THE MARINA TO THE TUNE OF SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. SO I BELIEVE THE COMMENTS THE CITY IS NOT DOING

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ENOUGH ARE COMPLETELY OFF BASE. BUT GIVEN THAT I DO HAVE WORD FROM THE PROJECT MANAGER THAT THE DINGY DOCK SHOULD BE READY TO BE OPENED. SO I WILL BE INSTRUCTING MR. SPRINGER OF WEST ROCK TO PREPARE TO OPEN THE DINGY DOCKS AND THE DINGY DOCKS ONLY ON FRIDAY, DECEMBER 6TH.

>> MAYOR MILLER: WHEN YOU SAY OPEN, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BOAT CAN BE UNATTENDED THERE.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE DROP OFF. >> DINGIES ONLY CAN BE SECURED AT THE DINGY DOCKS AND THE BOAT RAMP WILL BE OPENED TO TRAILERS OF SIZE NOT TO EXCEED TWO AXLES. SO, AGAIN, THE DINGY DOCK'S OPEN, EFFECTIVE DECEMBER 6TH. AND THE BOAT RAMP OPEN AS WELL. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR THEIR EFFORTS TO SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD. I'M STILL FIGHTING THE FIGHT WITH FEMA.

THAT WAS FOR ABOUT FOUR HOURS TODAY. MOVING ON. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE I'M SURE THE MAYOR WILL INFORM ME OF SOCIAL MEDIA AGAIN, FOR DICKENS ON CENTER, THE TDC, NOT THE CITY, THE TDC HAS REQUESTED THE USE OF PARKING LOTS A, B, C AND D TO BE UTILIZED FOR PAID PARKING ONLY.

SO THAT IS A TDC REQUEST. THE CITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. WE DID RECEIVE A RESPONSE FROM MR. SIMMONS IN REGARDS TO THE EMINENT DOMAIN. HE REITERATED THE FACT THE PROPERTY IS NO THE FOR SALE. SO THAT PROCESS MOVES FORWARD. AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW I WILL BE ON VACATION STARTING TONIGHT UNTIL DECEMBER 17TH. WHILE I AM GONE, I WILL BE IN TOUCH THROUGH THE JOYS OF EMAIL AND CELL PHONES. BUT MR. NATHAN WILL FULFILL THE NEED FOR OUTSIDE AUTHORITY IF

THAT'S REQUIRED. >> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE STATUS OF PHASE II OF THE BOARD WALK OF MAIN BEACH. A BID WENT OUT WITH THE WRONG DRAWINGS AND I WANT TO KNOW HOW THAT IS GOING TO BE

RECTIFIED >> THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT DID FORWARD THE REVISED PLANS TO EVERYBODY THAT ATTENDED THAT PRE-BID MEETING TODAY. THAT THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED. THE

BID OPENING IS DECEMBER 19TH AS WELL AS THE BEACH WALKOVERS. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER ROSS, ARE YOU GOOD? CITY ATTORNEY REPORTS?

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>> YES. MR. CITY MANAGER, I HOPE YOU HAVE A GOOD TIME OFF. I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME REALLY BIG FAMILY EVENT COMING UP. GOURD YOU. PLEASE TRAVEL SAFELY. I WANTED TO SAY ANOTHE WONDERFUL THING FOR KATIE NEWTON IN MY OFFICE THAT IS SHE WILL BE DELIVERING HER NEW BABY THIS MONTH AND PROBABLY WILL NOT BE -- SHE'LL START MATERNITY LEAVE MY GUESS BEFORE THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING BUT SHE IS REALLY NOT DUE UNTIL CHRISTMAS TIME. I WANT TO WISH HER AND HER FAMILY A LOT OF LUCK AND LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT YOU MAY -- AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE MY CELL PHONE NUMBER, TAKE IT. IF I'M NOT -- I'M ALWAYS AVAILABLE. I CAN GET MY EMAILS FROM. AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FEEL FREE TO CALL ME AND WE CAN SET UP MEETINGS. BUT SHE WILL NOT BE THERE TO ANSWER THE PHONE. WHAT I HAVE DONE IS ONE OF OUR PART-TIME EMPLOYEES WHO HELPS OUT IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT 20 HOUR AS WEEK HAS AGREED TO WORK AN EXTRA 9 HOURS A WEEK IN MY OFFICE. HER NAME IS GABBY. I'M PLEASED SHE WILL BE HELPING OUT WHERE SHE CAN.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE STAFF SUPPORT FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. TAKING THE MINUTES AND ATTENDING MEETINGS. GABBY WILL DO THAT. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO KNOW, I KNOW YOU ARE HEARING ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME, PLEASE GET YOUR FLU SHOT. MY MOTHER PASSED AWAY FROM COMPLICATIONS OF THE FLU WHETHER SHE WAS 63. GET YOUR FLU SHOT PLEASE.

>> MAYOR MILLER: CITY CLERK? >> NO REPORT SIR. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU,

MA'AM. COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: NOTHING. >> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSION

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COMMI COMMISSIONER CHADMAN. >> I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATION THE P. J. PARTY ON FRIDAY. IT WAS IMPRESSIVE TO SEE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THEIR PJ'S. ESPECIALLY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE CARRYING BAGS. WHICH MEANS THEY WERE IN THE SHOPS BUYING STUFF. IT WAS INTERESTING ON SATURDAY BECAUSE THREE BOATERS SNUCK IN AND TIED UP AT OUR MARINA AND THEN DID A QUICK GET AWAY. TO THE CITY MANAGER, GIVEN YOUR TRAVEL PLANS, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED A VACATION WHEN YOU GET BACK FROM THE VACATION

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>> MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSION LEDNOVICH. >> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: SAFE

TRAVELS TO THE CITY MANAGER. I'M DONE, SIR. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU.

VICE MAYOR? >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I ATTENDED SPRING HILL COURT YARD GROUND BREAKING ON THE 22ND. ON THE 21ST OF NOVEMBER ALONG WITH TAMMI AND SOME OTHER LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES THAT ATTENDED THE REGIONAL TURNING THE TIDE ANTI-YOUTH VAPING CONFERENCE.

THEY WILL DO A PRESENTATION I BELIEVE IN THE NEXT MEETING, TAMMI?

>> YES. DECEMBER 17TH. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: TREE LIGHTING FRIDAY NIGHT WITH JOHNNY WAS GREAT. CHIP WANTED TO KNOW WHERE I WAS GOING TO PARK.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: EVERYBODY FOUND A PLACE TO PARK. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: ON THURSDAY THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL FLORIDA COUNCIL IS DOING AWARDS. AND SENATOR WILL RECEIVE THE LEADERSHIP AWARD THERE. NASSAU COUNTY HABITAT FOR HUMANITY WILL RECEIVE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AWARD. NASSAU EXPRESS SELECT WILL RECEIVE THE TRANSPORTATION AWARD. AND AN AWARD GOING TO

THE EMERGENCY TEAM. THAT'S IT. >> MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGAIN, DALE, TRAVEL -- I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ARE DRIVING IN THE SNOW BUT WHEN YOU TOLD ME WHY I GET IT. YOU GOT A LOT GOING ON. SOUNDS LIKE A FANTASTIC TRIP. DRIVE SAFE. YOU KNOW HOW TO DRIVE IN SNOW? YOU'VE DONE IT BEFORE?

>> LOWER THE PRESSURE ON YOUR TIRES. >> MAYOR MILLER: MAKE SURE YOU HAVE CHAINS EITHER. THE FIRST TIME WE HAD TO PUT CHAINS ON THE CAR IT DID NOT GO WELL. I HAD FLIP-FLOPS ON. AGAIN, THE TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY WAS FANTASTIC. A GREAT COMMUNITY TURNOUT. I ASKED PEOPLE TO RAISE THEIR HAND IF THEY WERE VISITING. IT BROUGHT A LOT OF PEOPLE INTO TOWN. WHAT A WONDERFUL EVENT. THE CONCERT AFTERWARDS, THE HONEY BADGERS, THE WHOLE BAND IS FANTASTIC BUT THEIR LEADER, ALAN HUTMAN WHO DOES -- IF YOU EVER HAVE AN ISSUE HERE AND DO A FUNDRAISER, IF THERE'S A FUNERAL EXPENSE OR SOMEBODY HAS AN ISSUE UNEXPECTED, ONE PHONE CALL TO MR. HUTMAN AND EVERY MUSICIAN IS ON BOARD. THIS GUY DOES SO MUCH FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WHEN HE DID THE CONCERT HE BROKE IN BETWEEN AND GAVE A HISTORY OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED DURING WOODSTOCK.

IT WAS ALMOST A LEARNING EXPERIENCE. THERE WAS A KID DISTANCING IN FRONT OF THE STAGE. IT WAS A FANTASTIC EVENT. REFLECTED ON THE SEASON. AND I HAD ONE OTHER THING. OH, TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, A SITUATION THAT I CAN'T GO INTO BECAUSE IT WAS CONFIDENTIAL BUT I GOT A REALLY STRONG PRAISE ABOUT YOUR DEPARTMENT AND THE WAY A CERTAIN CASE WAS HANDLED.

SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY BAD TURNED INTO SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY POSITIVE DUE TO YOUR DEPARTMENT. SO, THANK YOU. IT'S ONE OF THOSE UNSUNG THINGS THAT PEOPLE NEVER SEE THAT ONCE AGAIN WE'RE SO FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WE HAVE IN A TOWN THIS SIZE. SO, THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN, CHIEF. IF YOU COULD PASS IT ON TO YOUR MEN AND WOMEN. WITH THAT, WE ARE

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