Apr 16, 2026 Historic District Council

[*Portions of the meeting does not contain audio.*]

[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]

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MEMBER KOSACK. HERE. MEMBER BURNS. HERE. MEMBER SALA.

HERE. MEMBER SZARKOWSKI. VICE CHAIR. POZZETTA.

ALSO, I FEEL AS THOUGH. THAT'S OKAY. NO OFFENSE.

NO. YEAH. FILKOFF. OKAY. PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

WE DON'T NEED TO SEE ANYBODY. SO I WILL NOW ASK MEMBERS TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD PRIOR TO THE MEETING. I'LL START. SO I SPOKE TO STAFF DURING THE WEEK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEMS. I'VE SPOKEN TO PEOPLE IN OLD TOWN WHO HAVE STOPPED ME TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT IN OLD TOWN, AND I HAVE HAD PAST BUSINESS RELATIONSHIPS. MY FAMILY AND I WITH SOME OF THE APPLICANTS TONIGHT.

IS ANYBODY WORRIED ABOUT THAT? PAST BUSINESS RELATIONSHIPS? YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN THE ANYTHING? NO, NO. THEY MY DAUGHTER BOUGHT A HOUSE THAT THEY BUILT.

OKAY. VERONICA, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE HOMEOWNER AT 322 SOUTH SIXTH STREET.

OKAY. MISS KOSACK. I DID NOT HAVE ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH APPLICANTS, BUT I DID DISCUSS ALL THE CASES WITH STAFF.

NO, NONE. I DID TALK OVER ALL THOSE CASES WITH STAFF.

SO THOSE ARE OUR DISCLOSURES FOR THE COMMUNITY.

FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU PLAN TO SPEAK TODAY AND ON ANY OF THE CASES THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED, MAKE SURE THAT YOU FILL OUT ONE OF THOSE FORMS AT THE BACK DOOR AND MAKE SURE THAT THE STAFF HAS THAT SO THAT WE HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT THIS MINUTE. BUT BEFORE YOU LEAVE, PLEASE.

AND ALSO, IF YOU PLAN TO SPEAK OR TESTIFY, PLEASE RISE SO THAT WE CAN ADMINISTER THE OATH TO YOU.

YEAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. OKAY.

MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURES? CERTAINLY, MADAM CHAIR. THIS EVENING'S APPLICATIONS UNDER FIVE NEW BUSINESS ARE QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE.

THEY DO NOT RISE TO THE LEVEL OF COURTROOM PROCEDURES, BUT THEY ARE SIMILAR IN NATURE AND REQUIRING COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN ORDER FOR AN APPLICATION TO BE APPROVED OR DENIED.

TONIGHT, THE CHAIR WILL DIRECT. WILL WILL ALLOW THE STAFF TO GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION AFTER STAFF GIVES ITS PRESENTATION.

THEN THE APPLICANT MAY SPEAK OR MAY RISE AND RELY ON THE STAFF'S REPORT.

THE APPLICANT MAY CROSS-EXAMINE ANY OF THE STAFF OR ANY OTHER WITNESSES THAT ARE CALLED.

AND THE BOARD MEMBERS MAY ALSO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANTS.

COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IS DEFINED AS EVIDENCE THAT A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD AGREE WITH.

AND MERE OPINION IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE CONSIDERED BY THIS BOARD.

WHEN APPROVING OR DENYING, YOU WILL BE GIVEN.

GENERALLY, YOU'RE GIVEN 15 MINUTES FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT THE CHAIR IS ALLOWED TO EXPAND THAT TIME.

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BE REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL.

SINCE THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING, AND ANY APPEAL OF THE DECISION OF THIS BOARD WOULD GO TO CIRCUIT COURT.

SO AT THIS TIME, IF ANY OF THE APPLICANTS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE TO OBTAIN THEIR OWN COUNSEL, THEN PLEASE COME FORWARD NOW LOOKING SEEING. OKAY.

WITH THAT, MADAM CHAIR YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN YOUR YOUR EX PARTE DISCLOSURES AND SO I BELIEVE WE CAN PROCEED UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANTS.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. HAS EVERYONE ON THE BOARD HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM THE PRIOR MEETING?

[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]

YEAH, THOSE MINUTES WILL BE PRESENTED AT THE NEXT MEETING.

AT THE NEXT MEETING, SO I DON'T NEED. YES, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

SO YOU JUST DID THAT TO KIND OF THROW ME FOR A LOOP?

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ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS TODAY, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.

[5.1 PRESENTATION - CITY PROJECTS UPDATE Parks & Recreation and City Manager's Office]

I BELIEVE THAT'S PARKS AND REC. YEP. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH PARKS AND REC WITH DIRECTOR MICKELSON ON A LIGHTHOUSE PROJECT UPDATE.

AND THEN WE'LL BE JOINED BY DEPUTY CITY MANAGER GLISSON AFTER THAT PRESENTATION FOR A COUPLE OF OTHER CITY PROJECT UPDATES.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SCOTT MICKELSON, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR THANKS FOR HAVING ME HERE TONIGHT.

I HOPE MR. GLISSON IS ON HIS WAY AS WELL, BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO TAKE PART IN THIS CONVERSATION OR, OR PRESENTATION. SO I THINK I THINK HE WAS ON THE PHONE, SO I'LL DO THE BEST I CAN.

THANK YOU, MISS RIVERA. DEPUTY PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE AND GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE DOING AT THE LIGHTHOUSE.

MANY CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAVE WITH PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY IS AND I ASK THEM, HAVE YOU BEEN TO THE LIGHTHOUSE? AND A LOT OF THE ANSWERS I GET, WHICH IS KIND OF SURPRISING IS, IS THEY HAVEN'T THE LIGHTHOUSE IS WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD AREA.

SO IT KIND OF GETS FORGOTTEN, BUT IT IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT PIECE OF HISTORY FOR FERNANDINA BEACH.

AND ONE OF OUR GOALS OR ONE OF MY GOALS IS TO CREATE A MUCH BETTER VISITOR EXPERIENCE FOR PEOPLE THAT DO COME TO THIS COMMUNITY AND WANT TO PARTAKE IN A, IN A TOUR, A SELF-GUIDED A TOUR OF THE LIGHTHOUSE AND, POSSIBLY EVEN CLIMBING THE LIGHTHOUSE.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID THERE IS A FEW, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE LIGHTHOUSE.

AND SPEAKING OF SPEAKING OF MR. GLEASON I, I DID, I DID WANT TO SAY WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT VERY RECENTLY WITH, WITH THE LIGHTHOUSE WITH MR. GLEASON'S GUIDANCE AND LEADERSHIP.

WE ARE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS, TO THIS STRUCTURE.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I AM GOING TO HAVE HIM COME UP HERE AND, AND SPEAK ABOUT THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED ALREADY.

AND THEN I'M GOING TO GO INTO SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE TO HELP WITH A MUCH BETTER VISITOR VISITOR EXPERIENCE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN GLEASON, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER SO, YEAH, WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON WITH THE LIGHTHOUSE HERE AS AS SCOTT MAYBE JUST BROUGHT YOU UP TO SPEED ON. THE FIRST THING WAS DOING A FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT, AND THAT WAS NECESSARY BECAUSE OF THE GRANT THAT WE APPLIED FOR THROUGH THE FLORIDA HISTORICAL RESOURCES, THE SPECIAL CATEGORY GRANT, AND THEY NEEDED TO HAVE THAT ASSESSMENT PRIOR TO THE GRANT APPLICATION AND PRIOR TO TO ACTUALLY FUNDING THE PROJECT. SO THAT WAS COMPLETED AND SHOWED A LOT OF ISSUES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.

WE ALSO APPLIED AT THE SAME TIME A GRANT THROUGH THE US COAST GUARD, EXCUSE ME THROUGH THE THROUGH THE FLORIDA LIGHTHOUSE ASSOCIATION.

AND WE RECEIVED BOTH. SO WE DID BEGIN THE FIRST PHASE OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.

WE RECEIVED A $500,000 PLUS 125 THROUGH FLORIDA LIGHTHOUSE ASSOCIATION.

AND MOST OF THAT WAS RELATED TO THE OUTSIDE WORK.

AND THAT WAS PRESERVING THAT EXTERIOR SO THAT IT WOULD NOT CONTINUE TO TO LEAK.

THE INSIDE WAS EXTREMELY HIGH MOISTURE. THE BRICKS WERE IN A STATE OF DECAY, THE MORTAR AS WELL.

SO THE FIRST THING WE DO IS TO SEAL THAT OUTSIDE.

AND THAT WAS A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT TO ALL OF YOU ALL WERE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

THIS HAS HAPPENED ABOUT HAPPENED LAST YEAR. WE AGAIN ASKED FOR FUNDING TO CONTINUE THE INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS.

MIND YOU, THIS IS A DOUBLE WALL CONFIGURED STRUCTURE.

YOU ACTUALLY GOT SOME PICTURES THAT I DON'T HAVE TONIGHT, BUT WE'LL SHARE ANOTHER TIME OF, OF SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE DONE, SOME WINDOW SILL IMPROVEMENTS. AND YOU CAN SEE THE DOUBLE WALL CONFIGURATION.

THAT'S ABOUT EIGHT FIVE FOOT AT THE BASE. AND THEN OF COURSE NARROWS WHEN YOU GET TO THE TOP.

SO THE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS WERE DONE. AND THEN WE THE, THE CITY FUNDED SOME INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS.

AND THAT'S LARGELY COMPLETE. NOW THAT'S GOING IN THERE AND REMOVING THE PAINT THAT WAS ON THE INTERIOR AND DOING SOME WINDOW SILL TREATMENT IMPROVEMENTS.

NEXT WILL BE SOME, SOME REPOINTING WORK. SO WE'VE APPLIED FOR THAT GRANT AS WELL FOR GOING INTO NEXT YEAR.

AND WE'RE SETTING ASIDE FUNDING TO HELP MATCH THAT GRANT TO NOT ONLY ADDRESS THE MORTAR BUT A HANDRAIL REPLACEMENT WITHIN THAT.

SO WE'RE WE'RE HAPPY WITH THIS PROJECT. WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THAT INERTIA GOING. AND AND WE LOOK FORWARD.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE UPDATES AS TIME PERMITS.

I THINK NOW SCOTT'S GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT HOW WE CAN MAKE THE LIGHTHOUSE MORE OF A FIXTURE, MORE OF ATTRACTION HERE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. JEREMIAH. YEAH. SO THE NEXT SLIDE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO IF YOU HAVE BEEN UP THERE RECENTLY THERE IS ON THE PICTURE TO THE LEFT,

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SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST FIRST ITEM THAT WE WOULD DO, LOOKING TO REPLACE THE CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH THE BLACK ALUMINUM FENCE.

AND THEN SECONDLY, THE VERY BASE ALL THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE TO THE, TO THE LIGHTHOUSE THE BASE IS NOT, DOES NOT LOOK THAT GOOD. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TRIED PLANNING FLOWERS AROUND THERE AND SOME VEGETATION, BUT IT'S WITH ALL THE ACREAGE THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT IT DOES FALL BY THE WAYSIDE SOMETIMES.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT PICTURE WE WERE SOME BRICKS WERE DONATED.

THAT'S JUST A VERY SMALL PIECE THAT WE HAVE LAID OUT.

AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE OTHER EXISTING BRICKS.

SO WE WANT TO TAKE THE COMBINATION OF THE BRICKS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED THAT WERE DONATED TO US, AND THEN ALSO INCORPORATE SOMEHOW EITHER AROUND THE VERY EDGE OF THE LIGHTHOUSE.

IN WORKING IN SENDING PICTURES TO THE SPECIALTY GROUP THAT HAS DONE THE WORK ON THE LIGHTHOUSE, THEY'RE ESTIMATING THOSE BRICKS TO BE 120 YEARS OLD.

SO THAT WOULD JUST BE A NICE LITTLE CLEANUP TO INCORPORATE THOSE BRICKS INTO THAT, THAT BASE AREA.

JUST, JUST TO CLEAN UP THE AREA. AND THEN, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT IF YOU COULD.

THANK YOU. THE NEXT IS, IS THIS ARE THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE AROUND THE AREA OF THE LIGHTHOUSE.

WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THOSE BRICKS TO RIP UP THAT SIDEWALK AND THEN INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THE SIDEWALKS THAT WE THAT ARE THERE.

THOSE SIDEWALKS ARE FOUR FEET WIDE. SO IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY ADDING WIDTH TO, WITH TO HELP WITH ADA RESTRICTIONS.

JUST GIVING IT A BETTER LOOK. THOSE SIDEWALKS.

YEAH. SO, SO RIGHT HERE, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, IT'S AN OUTLINE.

SO THE YELLOW IS WHERE THE NEW FENCING WOULD BE.

THOSE ARE AREAS THAT ALREADY HAVE FENCING. WE'RE JUST REPLACING IT WITH A CHAIN LINK FENCE.

AND THEN ALL OF THE PAVER WORK WOULD BE RIGHT AROUND THE BASE.

AND THEN THE SIDEWALKS ARE ALL RIGHT AROUND THE BASE AS WELL.

SO WE WOULDN'T BE EXPANDING OUT PAST TOO MUCH PAST THE RIGHT NEAR THE BASE OF THE, OF THE LIGHTHOUSE.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT. SO, AND IF YOU, IF YOU JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE MAIN THING OF THIS IS, IS, IS VISITOR EXPERIENCE. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDESHOW IS WE, IT DEFINITELY REMAINS UNDERUTILIZED.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE A CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, WE ARE NUMBER, THE LIGHTHOUSE IS NUMBER 32 OUT OF 48 THINGS TO DO ON AMELIA ISLAND AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S THE OLDEST OPERATING LIGHTHOUSE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT DOESN'T REALLY MATCH UP.

AND ONE OF THE REASONS IS, IS YOU JUST CAN'T GET THERE.

SO THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT NOT ONLY ADDING THESE ADDITIONS, WE WILL THEN BE ABLE TO PROGRAM IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

RIGHT NOW, WE ONLY HAVE TOURS THE FIRST AND THIRD WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH.

WE, THE THEY MEET AT THE LIGHTHOUSE AND THEN WE TAKE THEM UP THERE.

WE WORK WITH THE COAST GUARD AUXILIARY, AND THEN THE GROUNDS ARE OPEN ON SATURDAYS FROM 11 TO 2.

SO WE HOPE TO EXPAND THOSE WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WORKING WITH THE COAST GUARD AUXILIARY AS WE WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

BUT JUST CREATING A A MUCH BETTER VISITOR EXPERIENCE.

AND WITH THAT IS WE CAN THEN IN TURN BRING IN MORE FUNDS IF IT'S CLIMBING THE LIGHTHOUSE, IF IT'S DOING ADDITIONAL JUST SELF-GUIDED TOURS. AND, AND NOT ALWAYS RELYING ON, ON, ON THE GRANTS.

I THINK WE ARE GOING TO NEED THE GRANTS, BUT I THINK ALSO HAVING THOSE FUNDS TO MATCH THOSE GRANTS IS GOING TO HELP US.

AND THE MAIN FOCUS IS TO PUT ALL THAT MONEY BACK INTO THIS PARK.

SO THAT'S THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE FOR THIS IS I THINK THE MAIN FOCUS IS, IS FOR YOUR

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IF I CAN'T MR. GLEASON HAS A GREAT BACKGROUND ON THIS AS WELL.

ANY QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS. YES.

I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT TO THAT AREA.

AND I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT INCREASING THE AVAILABILITY OF PROGRAMING UP THERE, WHICH I THINK IS, IS JUST EXCELLENT. SO JUST QUICKLY, SCOTT, THE FENCE THAT YOU SHOWED THE ALUMINUM FENCE I LIKE THAT.

IS THAT THE ACTUAL DESIGN WITHOUT THE PICKETS ON THE TOP? THE SPEARS. WE ALL HAVE JUST THE DOUBLE BAR. IT WOULD BE THE DOUBLE BAR ON THE TOP.

YES. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. AND THEN I WAS CURIOUS, DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF THE RATIO OF NEW BRICKS TO HOW MANY EXISTING BRICKS IS IT. A 50 OVER 50.

IS IT. NO. THERE ARE VERY 9010 BOUTTE OLD. YEAH.

OKAY. THE OLD BRICKS, THERE'S VERY FEW. SO WHEN YOU INCORPORATE THE OLD BRICKS, I'M ASSUMING IT WON'T JUST BE LIKE A RANDOM BRICK INCORPORATED INTO THE NEW PAVERS. WOULD YOU HAVE LIKE A DIFFERENT AREA FOR THE OLD BRICKS OR DO YOU.

SO ONE OF ONE OF TWO THINGS I THINK WE WOULD DO.

I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. ONE OF TWO THINGS.

I THINK EITHER WE COULD DO THE RIGHT WHERE THE BASE MEETS THE GROUND AND HAVE THE OLD BRICKS ALL AROUND THERE.

OR AS WE IN GOING BACK TO THAT PICTURE, IS IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT YOU CAN LINE UP THOSE CIRCLES WITHIN THAT IN THOSE BRICKS.

BUT EVERY ONE, EVERY SO MANY 5FT OR 6FT, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE A STRAIGHT LINE.

SO THOSE CIRCLES STAY IN. SO THEN WE COULD INCORPORATE A STRAIGHT LINE ALL THE WAY AROUND AND INCLUDING THOSE THE THE OLDER BRICKS.

YEAH. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE LINE OF THE BRICK? DO WE HAPPEN TO KNOW THE AGE OF THE ONES THAT WERE DONATED? THEY THEY ARE FROM THEY'RE BRAND NEW. OKAY. NO, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A, THERE'S A HOARDER OR A STASH OF SOMEWHERE FROM THE OLD BRICKS FROM, FROM CENTER STREET THAT ARE AT LEAST 80 OR 90 YEARS OLD.

YEAH. AND I DO THINK THAT, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. GLISSON, IS THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO BE INCORPORATED BACK INTO DOWNTOWN AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REVITALIZATION.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS. ALTHOUGH I BELIEVE THERE ARE THERE ARE FOLKS WHO HAVE LOTS OF THOSE ORIGINAL CENTER STREET BRICKS. YEP. MAKING THEIR PATIOS TODAY AND OTHER ENHANCEMENTS TO THEIR HOME PROPERTY.

IT WOULD BE NICE. I THINK I KNOW WHERE THERE'S A HUGE PILE OF THEM IN SOMEONE'S BACKYARD WITH WEEDS GROWING ON THEM.

OH, WELL, I MIGHT, I MIGHT GO KNOCK ON A DOOR NEXT WEEK.

ALL RIGHT. WE, THE CITY WOULD MOVE THEM RIGHT CENTER STREET SIGN.

THE CITY WOULD MOVE THEM. YES. YEAH, SURE. HEY, YOU GOT A COMMITMENT THERE.

ALRIGHT, SO MISTER SAL IS GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH I WILL, SCOTT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, GREAT. DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT'S. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. WE JUST LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THE PROCESS OF MAKING SURE THIS STRUCTURE STAYS HERE LONG, MANY YEARS FROM NOW. IT. IT'S JUST A REALLY BEAUTIFUL, SERENE SPOT UP THERE AND MAKING IT MORE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE, I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY. DID ANYBODY IN THE CHAMBER HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT ANY OF THAT? OKAY. SO WE WILL GO NOW TO HGC 2026. CHAIR, WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE CITY PROJECT UPDATES FROM THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, JES JEREMIAH. YEAH. WELL, WE WANT TO KEEP YOU INFORMED.

THAT'S THE GOAL. THANK YOU. HERE WE WANT SOME GUIDANCE ON MARINE STREET.

AND I KIND OF HAD THIS AERIAL VIEW TO OKAY, THIS HAS BEEN A POINT OF CONVERSATION BEFORE.

I SEE BILLS IN THE CROWD HERE. OKAY. SO THIS IS OLD RIGHT OF WAY PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAT THAT'S OVER THE YEARS HAVE HAVE ERODED AND I'M SURE MIA CAN PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT HERE, BUT THE GOAL IS IS TO RESTRICT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC DOWN MAIN STREET.

IT IS SIGNED AS SUCH. IF YOU WERE TO GO DOWN THAT THAT ROAD, YOU YOU'RE NOT GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO GO OFF THE BLUFF OR YOU'RE GOING TO BE ENDED UP ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. MR. CAVANAUGH IS HERE BECAUSE OF CONCERNS BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT.

TURNING IN THERE AND ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY. IT'S A BIT OF A HIDEOUT SPOT.

AND IF THERE'S COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THAT, HE CAN PROVIDE US MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.

STAFF WENT IN THERE AND PUT IN THOSE THREE BOLLARDS, NOT REALLY KNOWING THE CONTEXT OF, OF, OF OF THE ISSUE OR THE, THE HISTORY BEHIND MARINE STREET.

SO WE JUST SAID, WELL, THIS WOULD REALLY GO TO HTC FOR FURTHER CONVERSATION AND CONSENSUS ON WHAT TO DO WITH THIS AREA.

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MR. KAVANAUGH'S HELPED MAINTAIN THAT BLUFF. THAT IS REALLY THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. HE'S BEEN GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO HELP TO HELP WITH THAT OVER THE YEARS.

AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME WE DON'T HAVE AN HOA TO RUN THIS THROUGH.

SO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF OLD TOWNS IN THE HTC DISTRICT, WE'VE BEEN LEANING ON THIS BOARD FOR GUIDANCE ON WHAT TO DO.

SO REALLY THERE'S THREE BOLLARDS SHOULDN'T HAVE GONE IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. WELL INTENDED, BUT YOU KNOW, SHOULD HAVE HAD A BIGGER CONVERSATION. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO CORRECT THAT AND RESTRICT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC DOWN MAIN STREET FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS BECAUSE OF THE PRIVATE PROPERTY CONCERNS.

BUT REALLY MORE IMPORTANTLY IS BECAUSE OF THE LIABILITY OF OF, YOU KNOW, MARINE STREETS, NOT IT'S IT'S NOT EVEN A ROAD, IT'S A, IT'S A RIGHT OF WAY AND IT'S SIGNED AS A ROAD, BUT WE DON'T NEED PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN THE BLUFF OR TUMBLING DOWN THE BLUFF BECAUSE THE STREET SIGN SAID, YOU CAN GO DOWN HERE. SO THE SIGNS WERE PUT UP BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE OLD TOWN PLAT.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO JUST MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SAFE, BUT IT'S STILL ACCESSIBLE FOR PEDESTRIANS, SO WELCOME ANY FEEDBACK YOU MIGHT HAVE. I DON'T KNOW IF MR. KAVANAUGH OR ME HAS ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD ON THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU, JEREMIAH. ARE YOU DEPICTING THE NEW BOLLARDS OR THE EXISTING BOLLARDS WITH THOSE THREE RED DOTS? WHAT'S WHAT'S PICTURED IS WHERE WE WOULD PUT THEM.

WHERE, WHERE, WHERE ARE THE EXISTING ONES? IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE ON THE SIDE.

YEAH. LIKE WHAT IS THAT RESTRICTING? WELL IT WAS MAINTAINING THE BORDER OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY REALLY.

AND PEOPLE WERE PARKING THERE AS WELL. SO I IT'S SO AGAIN, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T THE RIGHT PLACEMENT.

SO I MEAN, WE CAN AGREE TO THAT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CORRECT IT.

BUT TO DO IT RIGHT. WE WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOU. SO TWO THINGS. WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY HERE. WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE US, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE TWO YEARS AGO WHEN THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLY OPENING UP MARINE STREET.

AND I THINK WE SAID A HARD NO TO THAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE IN THERE.

SO I LIKE I LIKE THAT IDEA. MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU'RE PUTTING UP BOLLARDS ARE IS THE CITY THEN EFFECTUALLY ABANDONING THE RIGHT OF WAY OR JUST RESTRICTING ACCESS.

SO, IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR. SURE. YOU CAN CLOSE A RIGHT OF WAY WITHOUT ABANDONING IT.

SO I WAS JUST LOOKING IT UP BECAUSE I KNOW SOME JURISDICTIONS, EVEN TO CLOSE IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO A COMMISSION, BUT IT'S NOT ABANDONING IT. IT WOULD NOT GO TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES, BUT YOU WOULD JUST CLOSE IT AND BALLARD IT LIKE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE VACATING IT. THAT WAS NOT YOUR INTENTION, RIGHT? CORRECT.

RIGHT. AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF RIGHT OF WAYS THAT IT'S WOODS.

IT'S A TERMINAL POINT. AND WE WE STOP TRAFFIC.

THERE'S NO ROAD DOESN'T CONTINUE. BUT STILL WITHIN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY NETWORK. AND, AND THE ONE THAT'S CROSSED OFF.

SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD EXTEND IT AS FAR TO THE WEST AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN STILL GET EQUIPMENT IN THERE.

IT WOULD BE THE GOAL. IT WOULD BE PERMANENT. PERMANENT, SIMILAR TO WHAT IS IN THE PHOTO THAT YOU SHOWED THE ONES.

YEAH. THAT TYPE NOT NOT A REMOVABLE TYPE. YEAH.

AND WE'VE, WE'VE HAD LUCK WITH THAT. IT'S IT'S YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT METAL BOLLARDS.

IT'S A COASTAL LOOK. IT'S THE ROPE. IT LOOKS NICE.

WE WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ROPE IT THEN IT RESTRICTS PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.

SO WE WOULD DISCUSS THE ROPE SITUATION. BUT WE DO WANT TO PUT THE BOLLARDS THERE TO.

AND WE HAVE TO PUT THE APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE WHICH IS THE LITTLE RED DIAMOND THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T YOU STOP HERE. SO THAT WOULD BE THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT STAFF'S GOING TO RECOMMEND DOING.

BUT WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT BECAUSE THE SENSITIVITY OF THIS AREA AND IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT THIS BOARD BEFORE BOTH PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICLE ACCESS OVER THE YEARS AND ACTUALLY RESTORING THIS RIGHT OF WAY FOR ACCESS.

I THINK ONE, ONE LITTLE BIT TO THAT YOU COULD BRING BACK TO CATHY IS THAT INSTALLATION LOOKS REALLY GOOD BECAUSE THEY STARTED OFF SO HIGH WITH THE ROPES.

IF YOU GO DOWN TO WHERE ALACHUA TERMINATES AND IT MIGHT BE TO THE TIDES TOO, BUT THOSE HAVE YOU KNOW, THE WEIGHT OF THE ROPE, IT RELAXES WITH SOME WEATHER AND, AND THEY'VE STARTED HERE AND NOW SOME OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY ON THE GROUND.

SO I THINK IT'S GOOD TO START AT LEAST THAT HIGH.

I THINK YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE NO ROPES BECAUSE OF PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.

YEAH. THE INTENT IN OPENING THAT WAS TO CONTINUE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.

AND WE'RE FINE DOING WHATEVER. WE JUST WANT YOUR GUIDANCE ON WHAT TO DO.

SOME CONSENSUS HERE. THIS YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY A MAINTENANCE PROJECT.

SO WE JUST WANT TO SAFELY MAINTAIN THE AREA, ALLOW THE INTENDED USE, WHICH IS PEDESTRIAN.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WALK THEIR DOGS AND STUFF AROUND THAT AROUND THE BLUFF THERE.

SO YEAH, WE WOULD IF WE DID ROPE, MAYBE WE WOULD STILL ALLOW NOT IN THE MIDDLE.

SO YOU COULD STILL WALK THROUGH, BUT IT RESTRICTS VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.

I KNOW, I REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN THIS BECAME A BIG CONVERSATION ABOUT GOING BACK AND FORTH.

AND I KIND OF I LIKE THE IDEA. NOW, THE QUESTION I DO HAVE, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT RELATED, IS WHEN YOU TAKE THE EQUIPMENT DOWN,

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YEAH. SO THE ACCESS FROM THE OTHER STREET, WHAT STREET IS THAT TO THE NORTH? IT'S DRAWING A BLANK. SAN FERNANDO, SAN FERNANDO.

OKAY. YEAH. YOU CANNOT PEDESTRIAN WISE IT'S IT'S A BIT TREACHEROUS, BUT YOU CANNOT GET EQUIPMENT AROUND THE OTHER SIDE.

SO THE ACCESS THAT BLUFF FOR ANY REASON. I MEAN IT'S THE CITY WIDE.

IF WE NEED TO ACCESS IT, IT HAS TO BE FROM THIS VANTAGE POINT HERE.

IT HAS TO BE FROM FROM FROM THIS THIS SIDE OF THINGS.

MR. KAVANAGH, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. KAVANAGH? IT'S GOING TO BE SWEET THERE. NO, I HAVE JUST A COMMENT.

WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, I THINK WE FOCUSED QUITE A BIT ON THE OTHER END OF MARINE STREET AT ONE POINT.

WHAT? WHERE DOES THIS END AND THE OTHER END BEGIN? I MEAN, IS THIS OPEN ALL THE WAY FROM FROM SAN FERNANDO STREET, ALL THE WAY OVER TO WHAT IS THAT OTHER ONE? SO YOU HAVE GARDEN STREET. GARDEN STREET. SO SO THE GARDEN STREET SIDE WAS ABANDONED BECAUSE I BELIEVE ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS THERE HAS NOW GOTTEN THAT LAND BY. RIGHT. SO THE ONLY WAY TO GET INTO THIS STREET IS HERE WHERE WE'RE.

BILL, YOU REMEMBER MR. TOPPER? YEAH, YEAH. I REMEMBER HE WORKED AT ABANDONING.

HE NEEDS TO BE AT THE PODIUM IF HE'S GOING TO.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK, COME UP, BILL, PLEASE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT, BILL. HE WAS ALL SET TO JUST SIT THERE.

QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS. SO I JUST PULLED UP THE GOOGLE MAPS STREET VIEW AND WE HAVE WHITE STREET HERE.

AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BOLLARDS. YES.

AND THEN HISTORIC MARINE STREET RUNS HERE. AND IT WOULD BE PARALLEL WITH ESTRADA JUST ON THAT OTHER SIDE OF THE PLAZA.

AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S REALLY ERODED AWAY OVER TIME.

RIGHT. AND IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE STREET VIEW FOR THE TERMINAL END, THE WEST END OF NOT WHITE STREET, BUT THE WEST END OF SAN FERNANDO. YEAH. OKAY.

OVER HERE. YES. SAN FERNANDO THERE. YEAH. YOU DROPPED IT THERE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE A LITTLE BIT OF A TRAIL THERE.

YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S THE TERMINAL POINT. SO YOU CAN'T REALLY YOU CAN WALK THROUGH THERE, BUT YOU CAN'T GET EQUIPMENT AROUND THERE. AND THEN MAKE THAT TURN AND TRY TO DRIVE ALONG THE EDGE OF THE BLUFF. THAT'S NOT OKAY. YEAH.

HAD THAT PORTION CLOSED WAY BACK WHEN. OKAY. AND THE CITY ASKED US IF WE WANTED OURS CLOSED.

BUT SINCE WE BELIEVE IN OLD TOWN. WE TOLD THEM NO.

WE'D LIKE TO KEEP KEEP THE STREET OPEN. OKAY.

BUT THIS ONE WE UNDERSTAND, IS ERODING, AND I MEAN, THAT'S.

YOU'RE OKAY WITH PUTTING THESE BOLLARDS. YES.

YEAH. THERE'S A LOT OF NEFARIOUS THINGS THAT GO ON UP THERE AT NIGHT.

WELL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE? MY MOTHER TOLD ME NOT TO.

DO THAT. SO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR YOUR BOOK TO COME OUT.

YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY, MR. SALAH, HOW DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE.

NO, NO, NO, I WILL RESPOND. SO I KNOW IT WAS A VERY HOT TOPIC A FEW YEARS AGO, THE WHOLE MARINE STREET THING.

SO I, YOU KNOW, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST PUT THE RED SIGN UP, LETTING THE THE CITIZENS KNOW THAT THE BOLLARDS ARE GOING THERE 30 DAYS BEFORE YOU DO IT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW LEGALLY WHAT THE WHAT THE PROCESS IS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

I, I JUST, I HAVE THAT FEELING THAT IF YOU JUST PUT THEM UP, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME PEOPLE UPSET, BUT IF YOU LET GIVE THEM A WARNING AND KNOW IT, THEN THEY THEY FROM A SAFETY POINT, I AGREE, I AGREE. YOU KNOW, UNTIL THE FIRST GOLF CART BACKS UP AND HITS IT, BUT WELL, OKAY, SO THERE'S REALLY TWO QUESTIONS AT PLAY HERE THEN.

ONE IS THE SAFETY ISSUE AND THE OTHER IS THE APPEARANCE OF WHAT WE DO ABOUT THE SAFETY ISSUE.

RIGHT. SO THE APPEARANCE IS SO WE HAVE THE ALL AROUND THE PLAZA ARE THE SAME WOODEN BOLLARDS TO KEEP IT FROM.

SO FROM, FROM AN APPEARANCE POINT OF VIEW IT IT MATCHES WHAT'S THERE.

RIGHT. OKAY. SO SO I'M GOING TO JUST SAY AND ANYBODY CAN ARGUE IF THEY CHOOSE TO THAT FROM AN APPEARANCE PERSPECTIVE, YOU'VE SET A PRECEDENT ALREADY AND IT SEEMS TO BE ONE THAT EVERYBODY IS OKAY WITH FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE.

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AND IF IT MAKES SENSE TO LEAVE A PATHWAY IN THE CENTER FOR PEDESTRIANS.

THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK, THE GUIDANCE. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD ACCORDINGLY. I HAVE ONE OTHER THING. MIA, YOU HAVE TWO OTHER THINGS.

TWO OTHER THINGS. OKAY. I HAVE YOU ALL HEARD WE HAVE PAID PARKING HERE.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KNEW. JUST. THEY MAKE 60.

YEAH. IT HAPPENED. TODAY MAKE 60 DAYS SINCE THE PAID PARKING PROGRAM HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE WE BEGAN ENFORCEMENT.

JUST WHAT? WE'VE JUST WANT TO BRING BACK AN UPDATE FOR YOU ALL, BECAUSE WE DID DISCUSS IT HERE ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO.

AND THIS, THE PROGRAM IS UNDERWAY. IT'S WORKING.

THE PRE-REGISTRATION WENT IN 1ST OF FEBRUARY AND THEN THE ACTUAL PROGRAM BEGAN FEBRUARY 16TH.

THERE WAS ABOUT A 30 DAY CLOSE TO A 30 DAY SOFT ENFORCEMENT PERIOD.

AND HARD ENFORCEMENT BEGAN MARCH 16TH. AND HERE WE ARE APRIL 16TH.

SO THE REVENUES, THE REVENUES COMING IN, NOT, NOT WITH, OF COURSE, WITHOUT SOME, SOME BUMPS AND BRUISES ON THE WAY.

IT'S A MAJOR COMMUNITY CHANGE. ANY KIND OF CHANGE IS NOT WITHOUT SOME, SOME FRUSTRATIONS.

AND WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THOSE, EVERYTHING FROM CITATIONS GIVEN INCORRECTLY OR PEOPLE APPLYING FOR PERMITS AND NOT GETTING THE PERMIT IN TIME AND AND SO ON. SO BEEN WORKING THROUGH THAT.

ONE PARKING'S A VENDOR THAT'S, THAT'S MANAGING THE PROGRAM AND WE'RE, WE'RE APPROACHING A LITTLE OVER $400,000 GROSS REVENUE, CUMULATIVE GROSS REVENUE AS OF TODAY. SO THIS TRACKER IS GOING TO START GOING ON THE CITY WEBSITE SO PEOPLE CAN LOOK AND SEE THE NEW GENERATION IS AT.

BUT I JUST DID WANT TO BRING YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT PROGRAM.

NO CHANGES THAT ARE PRESCRIBED TO BE MADE. NOW.

THERE'S STILL THE REFERENDUM ITEM THAT GOES WILL BE GOING ON THE BALLOT LATER THIS CALENDAR YEAR, BUT THERE'S AN UPGRADE ON THAT PROGRAM. WE WERE HERE.

IT'S WE'RE NOT GOING TO IGNORE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT. WILL YOU BE POSTING NET REVENUE ALSO? YES. AND THAT PART OF THAT DOES SHOW THAT THE NET WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE GROSS REVENUE BECAUSE THE NET REVENUE RUNS ABOUT RUNS IN LAG.

WE KNOW THE GROSS REVENUE LARGELY ON A DAILY BASIS, BUT THROUGH A WEEKLY REPORT AS WELL, BUT ONLY THROUGH A MONTH CONSIDERATION, RECONCILIATION OF ALL THE EXPENSES. SO WE WE KNOW IF THERE'S A LAG, IT WOULD BE GOOD IF YOU JUST THEN SUPERIMPOSED A LINE.

YES, WE COULD DO THAT. ABSOLUTELY. VALUES. AND SO YEAH, WE DO GET THE NET REVENUES.

AND THAT'S PICTURED IN THAT YELLOW GRAPH THERE.

IT'S RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT A LITTLE LESS THAN 70% OF GROSS IS WHEN YOU TAKE IT OUT OF MANAGEMENT, ALL THE TRANSACTION FEES AND THE MANAGEMENT OF THE PROGRAM, A LITTLE LESS THAN 70% OF GROSS.

SO WE DO HAVE WE'RE STARTING TO SEE WHAT MAKE A GOOD GUESS OF WHAT THAT WOULD BE.

BUT YEAH, THIS NET REVENUES DO RUN ABOUT. WELL, WE GET THOSE ONCE A MONTH.

SO IT JUST RUNS IN LAG COMPARED TO GROSS. BUT ANY ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROGRAM.

OTHERWISE. IF SO. IF NOT YOU CAN GO FIND YOUR ANSWERS ON FACEBOOK I'M SURE.

ACTUALLY I GOT TWO QUESTIONS. SO THAT WAS CUMULATIVE.

SO IT'S ABOUT A $200,000 ADD ON FOR MARCH. YES.

OKAY. YEP. 198,000 WAS A TOTALLY OFF QUESTION.

CAME TO ME ACTUALLY A WEEK AGO WITH A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT JUMPED ON EARLY AND JUST WHATEVER WAS FEBRUARY 1ST OR WHATEVER.

IS THERE A YEAR UP ON FEBRUARY 1ST OF THIS YEAR, OR IS THERE A YEAR UP MARCH 16TH OF NEXT YEAR? IT'S WHEN IT'S THE YEAR THAT THEY ACQUIRED THE PERMIT.

SO THEY THEY ACQUIRED. SO THEY LITERALLY JUMPED TOO FAST.

THEY JUMPED TWO WEEKS TO THEIR ANNUAL PERMIT WAS 11 MONTHS.

AND SOME CHANGE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, BY TWO WEEKS.

BUT THAT WAS FROM PEOPLE THAT PAID THE WHATEVER, $100 OR WHATEVER IT WAS TO GET IT, THEY DID THE RIGHT THING.

THIS TIME NEXT YEAR. LET'S LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THOSE PEOPLE AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. OKAY.

THE AMELIA RIVER WATERFRONT PARK THAT GRAND OPENING, LONG OVERDUE, ABOUT 30 YEARS OVERDUE.

BUT THAT GRAND OPENING HAPPENED APRIL 11TH. WE HAD SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE THERE.

IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. MADAM ATTORNEY, WAS THERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE WERE THERE AND COULD ATTEST? WOW. WHAT A FRUIT OF LABOR. THAT WAS A LABOR OF LOVE.

THAT WAS THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE GOES BEFORE THE COMMISSION ON THE 21ST.

AND THAT IS THE SECOND READING FOR, FOR THE RESERVATIONS AND USE OF THAT PARK.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED. I WANT TO RENT THE PAVILION. I WANT TO RENT THE STAGE. WHAT WHAT DO I NEED TO DO SO THAT THAT'S FOLLOWING.

THERE ARE SOME PUNCH LIST ITEMS. THERE'S STILL SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED. WE HAVE A WATER FOUNTAIN. GO OUT, SOME IRRIGATION BREAKS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. SO THE CONTRACTORS ARE WORKING ON THAT. WHAT'S NEXT IS WHAT YOU ALL SEE HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

AND THAT IS ONCE THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD DEMOLITION OCCURRED, IT OPENED UP THE AREA BETWEEN THE BOAT RAMP AND THE WATERFRONT PARK THAT OPENED UP THAT PARCEL THAT WASN'T WAS NOT A CONSIDERATION, WASN'T A CONSIDERATION UNTIL 2028 2029.

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LIKE I SAID, POSSIBLY MAY, BUT LIKELY JUNE TO TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON WHAT WE WANT THAT TO LOOK LIKE.

NOW, A CHALLENGE WITH THAT AREA, THERE'S STILL A SECTION OF SEAWALL THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED TO THE BOAT RAMP, AND EVENTUALLY THE BOAT RAMP NEEDS TO BE REHABILITATED, REPLACED.

SO THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE DO THERE, WE WANT TO BE NONSTRUCTURAL.

YOU KNOW, WE WANT IT TO MAKE SENSE BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE TO DISTURB THAT AREA, NOT MAY.

WE WILL BE DISTURBING THAT AREA HERE SOON IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

SO WE'LL BRING YOU THOSE CONCEPTS HERE SOON. BUT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO REALLY BRIDGING THAT PARK ALONG WITH THE WITH THE BOAT RAMP AND START MOVING.

MOVING TO THE NORTH. SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? PROJECT SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE. YEAH, WE HAVE SOME GREAT PICTURES. OUR NEW STATUES DOWN THERE.

AS YOU RECALL THAT CONVERSATION. OUR ARBOR, OUR, OUR CONCRETE PICNIC TABLE THERE.

THAT'S A REALLY IMPRESSIVE FEATURE. OF COURSE, MOVING THE THE THE SHRIMP.

YEAH. THE SHRIMP THERE WAS, WAS A NICE TOUCH.

SO YEAH. EXCITING. EXCITING. JEREMIAH. YES, MA'AM.

ARE YOU OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE DESIGNERS MIGHT THINK ABOUT FOR ADDING DOWN THERE? ABSOLUTELY. ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE KIND OF DISCUSSED PRETTY MUCH TOO LATE IN THE PROCESS, BUT WE KIND OF DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING SOMETHING AT THE PARK THAT IS IN RECOGNITION OF BOTH THE RAILROAD INDUSTRY, WHICH WE WOULD NOT HAVE A TOWN IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT.

AND THE SHRIMPING INDUSTRY. SAME, SAME. SO AS THEY THINK THROUGH HOW TO USE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT.

THAT'S A BOW TO OUR HISTORY. IF NOT THERE, WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING OVER AT BRETT'S SOMEWHERE ON THE WATERFRONT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THOSE TWO THINGS ARE UNLESS YOU'RE FROM HERE AND YOU'VE STUDIED THE HISTORY HERE, YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW THAT THAT EVEN HAPPENED.

YEAH. SO I WOULD I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO THINK OF A WAY TO HONOR THOSE, THOSE TWO HISTORICAL ERAS.

RIGHT, RIGHT. AND IRONICALLY, RIGHT WHERE THAT PAVILION SITS IS THE OLD LOADING UNLOADING ZONE FOR THAT OLD TIMBER YARD, THAT RAILROAD THAT CAME THROUGH THERE. SO, I MEAN, IT'S OF COURSE, THE PLAY STRUCTURE BEHIND IT IS A WOODEN PLAY STRUCTURE.

SO THERE'S THERE'S A LOT THERE THAT SPEAKS TO THE HISTORY THERE FROM NEARLY A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.

SO THAT'S THE GROUP THAT THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM IS.

THE NEXT ELEMENT IS WORKING ON SIGNAGE, BRINGING IN SIGNAGE, AND HOW TO SEND THE MESSAGE TO ABOUT WHAT THIS PARK IS ABOUT.

SO THAT'S A CONSIDERATION BOTH FOR THIS EXISTING PARK, BUT ALSO INTO THE EXPANSION PORTION AS WELL.

BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO PASS THAT ALONG. GREAT. IT'D BE KIND OF COOL IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF INTERACTIVE SIGNAGE, LIKE A QR CODE OR SOMETHING THAT COULD TAKE YOU BACK TO SOME HISTORIC PHOTOS AND SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE TERMINUS THAT WAS THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING THOSE IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY ON, YOU KNOW, FUTURE UPGRADES.

BUT THE RESTORATION FOUNDATION JUST FINISHED A PROJECT DOING JUST THAT FOR BOSS FELLOWS.

SO THEY HAVE THE CHARACTER ACTORS, YOU KNOW, COME UP OUT OF THEIR GRAVES AND SPEAK ABOUT THEMSELVES, I WAS ONE. YOU'RE NOT SURPRISED. AND THEY HAVE USED THE QR CODE AND A BROCHURE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THOSE VIDEOS TO PEOPLE SO THAT, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THEY HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN UNDER THEIR BELTS.

SO THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE OF SOME HELP. OKAY, GOOD.

THE MUSEUM ALSO HAS A FANTASTIC STORY MAP ON THEIR WEBSITE, ALL ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE WATERFRONT IN FERNANDINA.

AND IT GOES WAY BACK AND THERE'S LIKE A TIMELINE THROUGH IT.

SO IT'D BE COOL TO HAVE SIGNS WITH THOSE QR CODES THAT PULLS YOU RIGHT TO THAT TIME WHERE YOU'RE STANDING.

I KNOW THAT ALL THESE IDEAS ADD UP TO MONEY, BUT.

WE THAT'S OUR JOB. YEAH. YOUR JOB IS THE MONEY.

TWO OTHER QUICK THINGS THAT COME TO MIND. THE JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH. OUR STORMWATER PROJECT OVER HERE IS MOVING ON SCHEDULE.

THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT OPEN BEFORE SHRIMP FESTIVAL.

THEY'RE ON SCHEDULE TO DO THAT. IT'S A 16 FOOT DIG DOWN TO SET THESE STRUCTURES.

AND THIS IS THEY'LL START MOVING TO THE EAST HERE AFTER SHRIMP FESTIVAL.

BUT THAT IS THE AREA SIX STORM WATER DRAINAGE PROJECT.

AND THAT'S IMPROVEMENTS. THIS IS A FORM OF ARPA FUNDING WITH SOME IMPROVEMENTS FROM THIS ASH STREET CORRIDOR, BOTH CENTER STREET AND BEACH STREET FLOW HERE AND OUT TO THE RIVER.

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IT'S QUITE AN OPERATION. AND THEN THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION WE'RE STILL REMEMBER, THE CENTER STREET IS FULLY DESIGNED AND APPROVED BY YOU ALL SECOND STREET.

WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW IS THE REMAINDER OF THE SIDE STREETS. AND AROUND 9% WILL BRING THOSE PLANS BACK TO YOU ALL HERE WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

WE'RE ALSO BUDGETING THIS YEAR IS TO BEGIN UNDERGROUNDING SOME OF THESE ELECTRICAL UTILITIES THAT WAS NOT DONE FROM FOURTH TO SIXTH BECAUSE THOSE ARE STILL OVERHEAD ELECTRICAL THE UNDERGROUNDING OF THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN SECOND AND THIRD AND FRONT HAPPENED IN THE EARLY 2000.

SO TO CONTINUE ON WITH THAT, THAT PROJECT THAT WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION.

115 SOUTH SECOND STREET, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME.

THE CITY IS UNDER CONTRACT FOR THIS BUILDING RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US.

CLOSINGS. WINJE. MADAM ATTORNEY MATT. MAY 20TH 9TH MAY.

APRIL. NO. APRIL. APRIL 29TH. SO, YEAH, WE WE'LL BE CLOSING HERE IN A COUPLE WEEKS.

AND THEN WE'LL BE GET INSIDE, TAKE A LOOK AT IT, GET A CONDITION ASSESSMENT DONE, BUT LIKELY WE BRING YOU AN APPLICATION FOR, FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THAT, THAT OLD STRUCTURE.

SO THAT'S A CRA PROPERTY THAT'S WITHIN THE CRA WORK PLAN.

SO WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT ACQUISITION HAPPEN.

AND WE'LL BRING YOU MORE INFORMATION HERE NEXT TIME. DO YOU KNOW HOW ALL THAT BUILDING IS.

WE DO. IT'S ESCAPING ME NOW. IT'S I YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO JUST THROW OUT A NUMBER.

I KNOW WE DID IN ALL OF OUR OUR RESEARCH ATTORNEY.

WE DID NOT FIND OUT THE AGE OF THE STRUCTURE.

40. OH, I THINK IT WAS THE 40S. YES. YEAH. LET'S FIND IT.

AND IT WAS USED AS WHAT? AND WHEN IT WAS BUILT.

DO WE KNOW THAT? I DON'T, I DON'T SO KAVANAUGH DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW NEW ENGLAND, NEW ENGLAND FLAG AND BANNER WAS THERE AT ONE POINT.

NEW ENGLAND, NEW ENGLAND FLAG AND BANNER WAS OLD BOTTLING FACTORY.

IT WAS BUILT IN 1925, 1925. OKAY, OKAY. 19, 25 YEARS AGO. YES, THAT'S A LONG TIME. 100 YEARS OLD.

NO. ANYTHING FOR ME. JUST ANTICIPATING SOMETHING WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THAT BUILDING. WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THIS ONE? SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THAT PROPERTY IS BEEN ACQUIRED.

THE CITY OWNS THE PARCEL TO THE EAST OF COURSE RIGHT HERE.

THIS PARCEL HERE. I MEAN EXCUSE ME, TO THE NORTH.

THE PARKING LOT. ALSO THE PARCEL TO THE NORTHWEST OF THAT BUILDING, WHICH IS THAT TRIANGULAR PIECE BETWEEN THIS LOT OVER HERE AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND OF COURSE THIS PARCEL. SO I MEAN, WE HAVE PROPERTY ON ALL SIDES THAT MADE SENSE TO DO THAT FOR FUTURE PARKING NEEDS, BUT A BIGGER FUTURE FOR CITY HALL. SO I MEAN, THAT IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

I HATE TO SAY A DEFINITIVE PLAN BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT REPLACING THIS BUILDING FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

SO IT HAS BEEN MOSTLY CONVERSATION, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT.

THAT WAS FUNDED FULLY, NOT FULLY, MOSTLY FROM, FROM GENERAL GOVERNMENT IMPACT FEES, WHICH IS JUST FOR THE EXPANSION OF CITY SERVICES.

SO WHETHER A NEW CITY HALL OR ADDITIONAL PARKING FACILITIES MET THE CRITERIA FOR THAT.

SO I MEAN, THAT IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION. BUT AGAIN, WE IT'S BEEN A CONVERSATION FOR A LONG TIME ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THIS BUILDING.

AND I THINK YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE AT LEAST SOME OF THIS BUILDING AND BRING IT A LITTLE BIT BACK TO ITS FORMER GLORY.

I MEAN, THOSE ALCOVES RIGHT THERE ARE ORIGINAL.

RIGHT. YOU SEE THE BRICK ARCHWAY ABOVE THOSE CABINETS? THOSE WERE ORIGINAL DOORS THAT THEY MANAGED TO KEEP IN THE BUILDING WHEN THEY DID WHAT THEY DID.

SO WE HAVE THREE ORIGINAL DOORS IN THIS BUILDING COVERED WITH BOOKCASES.

THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF ORIGINAL WOOD. THERE'S, THERE'S SO MUCH THAT.

YEAH. THESE THREE, THESE THREE SECTIONS OF FIXED PANE GLASS WITH A THREE BASE FOR THE ORIGINAL FIRE STATION.

SO GLASS NOW. BUT THESE ARE THE THREE BASE AND THE HORSES WEREN'T HERE, RIGHT? SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HORSES.

AT ANY RATE PLEASE KEEP THAT SOMEWHERE IN YOUR BRAIN THAT THAT HOLDING ON TO SOME PART OF THIS HISTORY, PRESERVING SOME PART OF THIS BUILDING IS REALLY KEY TO THE CITY CLAIMING THEY CARE ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

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[5.2 HDC 2026-0006 - SHANE DONOVAN FATLAND, 322 S. 6TH STREET FINAL Certificate of Approval (COA) for a comprehensive restoration of the structure including conversion from a duplex to a single family home, reintroduction of historic features, replacement of a shed, and addition of a garage.]

EX PARTE DISCLOSURE FROM THAT MEMBER. AND I DO HAVE SOME EX PARTE COMMUNICATION WITH THIS FIRST CASE.

OKAY. I HAD DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT WITH THE BOTH THE APPLICANTS.

AND IN SOME DETAIL THAT WAS IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THIS IS HGC CASE 2026 0006 FOR CONTRIBUTING TWO STORY STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 3322 SOUTH SIXTH STREET. ACCORDING TO THE FLORIDA MASTER SITE FILE, THE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN 1900 AND.

BUT BASED ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S SITE, IT WAS LISTED AT 1858.

LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

THIS IS AN APPLICATION MADE BY SHANE FATLAND FOR THE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE RESTORATION OF THE STRUCTURE, INCLUDING A COUPLE ITEMS WITH THE MAIN GOAL OF CONVERTING THE STRUCTURE FROM A FORMER DUPLEX OR MULTI-FAMILY STRUCTURE TO A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE.

THIS INCLUDES THE ADDITION OF A GARAGE AND THE REPLACEMENT OF A PREFABRICATED SHED IN THE BACKYARD, WITH DESIGNS THAT MATCH THE EXISTING PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER KIND OF RESTORATION ACTIVITIES THAT ARE REQUESTED, INCLUDING THE RESTORATION OF THE SIDE PORCH THE REINTRODUCTION OF A CUSTOM SAWN BALUSTRADE RAILING ON THE SECOND AND THE FIRST FLOOR THE ADDITION OF A BAY WINDOW ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND A MORE SIGNIFICANT BUILD OUT ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

THERE'S A LOT OF INTERIOR CHANGES AND ALTERATIONS AND DEMOLITIONS ON THE INTERIOR, BUT AS THE BOARD KNOWS, WE ARE ONLY EVALUATING WHAT HAPPENS ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE.

THE INSTALLATION OF GAS LIGHTS ON THE FRONT PORCH AND THE REAR AND FRONT OF THE GARAGE IS ALSO REQUESTED.

EVERYTHING WAS VERY DETAILED IN THE APPLICATION WHICH IS INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET.

SO ON THIS SLIDE I HAVE THE STREET VIEW OF THE HOUSE ON SOUTH SIXTH STREET, LOCATED BETWEEN CEDAR AND DATE STREET.

ON THIS SIDE. I PULLED THE FRONT ELEVATION PROVIDED IN THE AGENDA PACKET WITH THE ADDITION OF THAT GARAGE TO THE NORTH AND THE SAWN BALUSTRADE RAILINGS.

I DISCUSSED THE REQUEST FOR A 30 INCH SAWN BALUSTRADE WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.

AND SINCE THE STRUCTURE IS BEING RENOVATED AND IT'S ESTIMATED COST TO BE 30% OR MORE OF THE STRUCTURE'S VALUE, EVERYTHING WILL HAVE TO BE BROUGHT UP TO FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.

AND THERE IS SOME PROVISION ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

IF THE FLOOR IS LESS THAN TWO FEET ABOVE THE GROUND, THEY CAN HAVE A SUBSTANDARD RAIL THERE.

BUT ON THE SECOND FLOOR, A 36 INCH TALL RAILING WILL BE REQUIRED FOR SAFETY.

ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE ADDITION OF THE BAY WINDOW ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEN THE INTRODUCTION OF, CUSTOM CUSTOM WOODEN DOORS ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. IT'S COMPLIANT WITH THE SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS LAID OUT IN CHAPTER FOUR OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

I WILL POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, THERE'S THE ELEVATION OF THE SHED THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE BUILT ON THIS ORIGINAL SITE PLAN.

IT WAS LISTED AS TWO FEET AWAY FROM THE REAR AND THE SIDE.

ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, ACCORDING TO OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE MUST BE THREE FEET AWAY.

SO WE I CONTACTED THE APPLICANT. WE MADE THAT CHANGE ON THE APPLICATION.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLIANT WITH OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AS IT EXISTS TODAY IS CLOSER THAN FIVE FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

BUT SINCE IT IS EXISTING THERE, IT IS PERMITTED TO REMAIN IN PLACE.

AND IT'S ALSO BEING SCREENED BY AN EXISTING FENCE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE GARAGE TO THE NORTH, THE SHED IN THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER, AND THEN THE STRUCTURE KIND OF CENTERED ON THE LOT.

STAFF RECOMMENDS FINAL APPROVAL OF THIS CASE AND FINDS IT COMPLIANT WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS SADLER? WILL THE WHEN THEY GO FOR THEIR WHEN THE WHEN THE APPLICANT GOES FOR THEIR BUILDING PERMIT, WILL THEY BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT ARCHITECTURAL.

YES. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH.

I THOUGHT I SAW SOMEPLACE IN HERE THAT THEY WANTED TO RESTORE A SIDE PORCH.

YES. IS THAT DEPICTED SOMEWHERE? YES, I CAN SHOW THAT.

IT'S IN THE APPLICATION. THERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING HOUSE.

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SO I SEE A FRONT ELEVATION, THEN IT GOES NORTH ELEVATION, THEN REAR ELEVATION AND SOUTH ELEVATION.

IT'S ON THE SOUTH EAST OF THE HOME. IT'S JUST NOT CALLED OUT I GUESS.

IS IT ONE OF THOSE BACK PORCHES? IT'S A SMALLER PORCH ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE HOUSE, TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE GARAGE. SORRY.

THAT IMAGE. DID YOU FIND IT? I THINK SO. I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH THE THE SKETCHES. THEY'RE BEAUTIFULLY DONE. BUT WE'RE SO ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING DETAILED, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SEEING HEIGHTS. I'M NOT SEEING A LOT OF CALL OUTS.

YOU KNOW EVERYTHING. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT SAY WE'LL BE CHANGED TO WOOD, BUT IT'S NOT GIVING ME A TRUE SPEC OR A CALL OUT ON SPECIES OR OR WHAT IT IS.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE GOING LOOKING FOR A NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK.

FOR SOME THINGS. IT SEEMS MUCH, IT SEEMS CONCEPTUAL.

THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, FROM OUR EXPERIENCE WHEN, AND THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR MIA TOO, WHEN THERE'S THIS IS A MASSIVE UNDERTAKING.

THIS IS A LARGE SCALE RENOVATION, AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE EXQUISITE.

BUT THE BIGGER THE UNDERTAKING, THE MORE ROOM THERE IS FOR CHANGES TO HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S NOT CALLED OUT SPECIFICALLY.

AND WE DON'T HAVE A FIRM SET OF HEIGHTS AND, AND, AND DETAIL.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO FIND THINGS ON HERE AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT IT'S A LITTLE YEAH, I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND THEY CAN ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS WHERE THAT INFORMATION IS LOCATED IN THE APPLICATION.

I KNOW ALSO WHEN THERE'S A BUILDING PERMIT PULLED, THERE'S INTERVALS WHERE THE INSPECTORS WILL GO OUT AND CHECK OUT THE WORK AS IT GOES ON.

AND THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CONDITION THAT HISTORIC REVIEW IS REQUIRED AT THOSE INTERVALS AS WELL.

SO I CAN MAKE SURE THE WORK IS BEING COMPLETED AS APPLIED.

NOW THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CAN'T APPROVE A PLAN UNLESS WE APPROVE IT.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO I MEAN WE'VE SET BACK PERGOLAS THAT DIDN'T HAVE A PROPER PLAN.

YEAH. I MEAN YOU CAN'T REALLY PUT THAT BURDEN ON YOU TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT.

IF WHAT ARE YOU COMPARING IT TO? RIGHT. AND ON OUR APPLICATION MATERIALS, IT DOESN'T SPECIFY IF THINGS HAVE TO BE SIGNED AND SEALED.

IT JUST SAYS PROFESSIONAL QUALITY. I BELIEVE.

SO. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COULD YOU TO COME FORWARD.

PLEASE. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GIVE YOUR ADDRESS.

HI, Y'ALL. I'M SHANE FATLAND. WHAT ELSE DID YOU ASK? YOUR ADDRESS? 0322 SOUTH SIXTH STREET. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. ALL RIGHT. SO THE DRAWINGS ARE BEAUTIFUL AND I DO APPRECIATE THEM.

AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CARE THAT WENT INTO THEM.

AND AND I AGREE WITH TAMMI. I THINK IN THE END THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE THIS HOUSE IS GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL AND IT'S AND, AND APPROPRIATE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND JUST BASED ON THE, THE, THE BODY OF WORK THAT IS PRESENTED WITH THE OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT ARE HERE, I MEAN, CLEARLY IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO BE EXECUTED.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE EXECUTED WELL. BUT, BUT I, BUT I AGREE WITH TAMMI THAT THERE'S JUST, THERE'S INFORMATION MISSING AND I WOULD BE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

AND I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. BUT IN THE END, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE GIVING A LIKE A FINAL APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN WITHOUT DRAWINGS, WITH DIMENSIONS IN MORE DETAIL AND WHAT'S BEING REMOVED AND REPLACED AND ALL THAT.

IF I MAY, THE SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. YEAH. IN THE SUBMITTAL PACKET, THIS ONE, I CAN ALREADY TELL YOU IT'S CROPPED AND THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION UNDER IT ON TOP. AND I HAVE A KEY FOR SCALE ON ALL THE DRAWINGS.

THAT'S NOT REALLY COMING THROUGH VERY WELL ON THAT.

COPY. YEAH. AND I WILL SAY THE PRESENTATION JUST KIND OF FOR THE GROUP, EVERYONE GOT EVERY MATERIAL THAT WAS SUBMITTED.

BUT IT IS, WE HAVE ALL, WE HAVE ALL WE HAVE THAT.

YEAH. TO SCALE, LIKE EVERYTHING IS ON PERFECTLY TO SCALE ON THAT PAPER.

IT'S HARD TO LIKE TO COUNT THE SQUARES ON THE GRAPH PAPER.

LIKE, I MEAN, I GUESS I COULD DO IT, BUT I MEAN, WE ARE USED TO SEEING CALL OUTS AND DRAWINGS THAT ARE ARE

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SO THE, AND I KNOW WE, AND WE TALKED WHEN I WROTE MY ON MY BIKE AND AND SO I, I THE, THE COLUMNS ON THE FRONT PORCH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ORIGINAL OR NOT. THEY ARE, THEY ARE.

WHAT'S THERE NOW IS VERY SLENDER. I KNOW, AND WHAT YOU ARE DRAWING, IT SORT OF FEELS BECAUSE AGAIN, NOT TO MENTION LIKE POTENTIALLY YOU'RE REPLACING THEM, WHICH I DON'T TAKE EXCEPTION TO BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE PROPOSING THIS TO KEEP THOSE COLUMNS IN PLACE.

MY COMMENT WOULD BE IF YOU NEED TO REPLACE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE SO SLENDER I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE A CHAMFERED JUST LIKE IT IS NOW WITH CHAMFERED COLUMN.

IT IS. AND I DIDN'T WANT TO. SO YOU KIND OF CAUGHT ME THERE WITH MY DRAWING, I GUESS BECAUSE I WANTED TO BEEF UP THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM A LITTLE BIT.

THEY ARE ORIGINAL COLUMNS TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. THERE'S A LOT OF OLD OBVIOUS.

YOU KNOW, THINGS HAVE BEEN THERE. THINGS ARE NOT THERE ANYMORE.

LIKE THEY'RE OLD. HOW OLD? I DON'T KNOW. THEY SEEM SMALL TO ME AS WELL, BUT I'M PRETTY PURE WHEN IT COMES TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

YEAH. AND I THINK ADDING THIS ON BALUSTRADE, THAT'S WHY THE HEIGHT THING TOO.

YEP. KIND OF KILLS ME, BUT I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S WHY I ASKED.

YEAH. THE, THE I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE KEEPING THE SECOND FLOOR DOOR.

THE SECOND FLOOR? YEAH. THE ONLY DOOR IN THE HOUSE THAT IS ORIGINAL, AGAIN, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE, THE HINGE PLACEMENT AND LOCK SET, NOTHING HAS BEEN TAMPERED WITH.

THE ORIGINAL CASING AND EVERYTHING. SO YOU CAN TELL LIKE THIS DOOR HAS NEVER MOVED. YEAH.

THERE'S NO CUTS ON THE DOOR ITSELF WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT HAD DIFFERENT HINGES AND CAME FROM A DIFFERENT HOUSE.

LIKE THAT'S THE DOOR. THE FRONT DOOR. TOTALLY DIFFERENT STORY.

THAT'S CLEARLY BEEN JUST KIND OF HODGEPODGE IN THERE.

THE BEST SOMEBODY COULD ANY AGO. ANY EVIDENCE FROM MAYBE INTERIOR PATCHING OR ANYTHING? BECAUSE I KNOW AND I KNOW WE TALKED THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT A DOUBLE DOOR.

AND AND I KNOW THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF OTHER DOUBLE DOORS IN THE COMMUNITY.

ANY EVIDENCE THAT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN A DOUBLE DOOR.

THERE IS A PIN A SQUARE PIN HOLE IN THE MIDDLE OF MY.

OKAY. AND THE SADDLE THERE. YEAH. HOWEVER, IT'S A LITTLE STRANGE BECAUSE THE THRESHOLD ITSELF DOESN'T REALLY SEEM TO LEND ITSELF TO HAVE TWO DOORS.

IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH. YEAH, IT'S KIND OF WHERE MY MIND WAS AT WITH THAT.

LIKE, WELL, WE GOT TO PUT THIS BACK, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE FUNCTIONALITY OF IT NOW WOULD BE SILLY IF THAT WERE THE CASE.

SO WE KIND OF WIDENED IT A LITTLE BIT. THE STAIRCASE IS ALSO LIKE RIGHT THERE.

IT'S SUPER TIGHT AND IT OPENS THE WRONG WAY. LIKE THEY PUT IT ON FOR GETTING FURNITURE UP AND DOWN THE STAIRS INSTEAD OF WALKING INTO THE HOUSE APPROPRIATELY.

YEP. YEAH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE STORY OF THE DOOR.

AND THEN THE OTHER, I MEAN, I, AND I, AND I GUESS I, I MEAN, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WOOD AND WHAT'S BEING REPLACED AND REPAIRED OR WHATEVER, BUT I GUESS MY ONLY OTHER REAL MY CONCERN IS THE, THE BAY WINDOW.

I JUST, I, IF IT'S IF IT WASN'T ORIGINAL, I WOULD BE IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR ME TO ACCEPT.

ADDING THAT IN. I ALSO THINK IT'S GOING TO EAT UP A LOT OF THAT PORCH AND IT'S GOING TO MAKE A, A BIT OF AN AWKWARD SPACE WHEN YOU PUT THE BAY IN THERE.

AND THEN YOU DO PUT THE, THE, THE, THE RAILING IN FRONT OF IT.

RIGHT. BUT AND I GET WHY YOU WANT TO DO IT FROM THE INSIDE.

I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT WORKS ON PAPER. AND Y'ALL, Y'ALL KNOW, I SUBMITTED LIKE LOCAL HISTORIC EXAMPLE OF THAT AS WELL.

TOTALLY AGREE ON LIKE THE WEIRD FUNCTIONALITY OF IT FROM THE OUTSIDE, BUT THIS IS MORE ABOUT APPEARANCES.

MY MAIN THING WITH THIS PROJECT REALLY IS THIS IS LIKE WHAT I DO IN LOVE.

AND THE HOUSE IS CURRENTLY A DUPLEX. THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORIC SIN THAT'S HAPPENED THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND I WANT TO ERASE THE KIND OF THE HOUSE HAS BEEN THROUGH A DUPLEX CHAPTER IN ITS LIFE.

I WANT TO GET RID OF THAT. AND FROM THE OUTSIDE, I IT STILL TELLS THAT STORY.

IT LOOKS LIKE A DUPLEX. IT'S VERY SYMMETRICAL ON THE TOP AND BOTTOM, BUT THE BALANCE IS OFF LIKE IN MY MIND.

LIKE JUST BECAUSE IT'S REALLY OLD DOESN'T MEAN EVERYTHING WAS PERFECTLY DESIGNED TO BEGIN WITH. AND I THINK THE DOOR AND THE BAY WINDOW CREATE THAT WEIGHT, THE VISUAL WEIGHT AT THE BOTTOM THAT MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A HISTORIC SINGLE FAMILY HOME, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S DONE CORRECTLY. YEAH. BALANCE WEIGHT IS, IS IT TRUE THEN THAT WHEN THE HOME WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT, IT WAS NOT A DUPLEX? I GUESS YOU COULD NOT SAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

I KNOW THAT MOST OF THE INTERIOR DOORS ARE NOT IN THEIR ORIGINAL PLACEMENT.

IT'S KIND OF A MESS IN THERE. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MOVED IT OVER HERE FOR A CLOSET.

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BUT THE STAIRWELL IT IS ENCLOSED, SO IT'S POSSIBLE.

I GUESS THE PLACEMENT OF DOORS DOESN'T TELL THAT STORY THOUGH, LIKE YOU MENTIONED ON THE FRONT DOOR.

IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN I'M LOOKING AT YOUR FRONT ELEVATION YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY WANTING TO GO BACK WITH A DOUBLE.

YEAH. FRONT DOOR AND YOU HAVE THAT CENTERED UNDERNEATH THE TOMBSTONE DOOR ABOVE IT.

WHEN I GO TO THE FLOOR PLAN, YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW THE CURRENT DOOR.

IT'S IT'S PRETTY AWKWARD WITH THIS, THE NEWEL POST THAT'S DOWN THERE.

YEAH. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THAT AWKWARDNESS UNLESS YOU BUMP OVER TOWARDS THE LEFT FROM THE FRONT.

IT IS SO THE. THE OPENING OF THE DOOR. SO I HAVE IT DRAWN AS TWO 24 INCH DOORS WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD FOR VICTORIAN DOUBLE DOORS THAT IT'S DRAWN SO THAT THE, THE RIGHT ONE OPENS FIRST, THAT'S THE MAIN DOOR AND THEN THAT'S OUT OF THE WAY OF THE NEWEL POST.

AND THEN THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS, YOU KNOW, THE MORE STATIONARY DOOR WITH A CHROME BOLT ON IT.

SO YOU'RE KEEPING THE LEFT SIDE JAMB AND JUST BUMPING OVER TO THE RIGHT, OR WILL YOU OPEN UP BOTH SIDES A LITTLE BIT? YEAH. OKAY. TO KEEP IT SYMMETRICAL FOR THE DOOR ABOVE SO YOU WON'T NOTICE ANY KIND OF WEIRD.

SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING FUNNY HERE. YEAH, YEAH.

I WOULD PLAN SOME PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE THAT IT HAD THAT.

AND I WAS ABOUT TO ASK ALSO ABOUT THAT BAY. AND I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE HAD THAT BAY.

I KNOW LIKE BILL LORD'S HOUSE HAS THE BAY ON THE FRONT, AND IT IS THAT AWKWARD, WEIRD THING BEING A PURIST AS YOU ARE AND AS I AM.

ANYBODY THAT KNOWS ME, THAT THAT DOES CAUSE ME A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTBURN TO CHANGE WHAT THIS HOUSE WAS.

YOU KNOW, NOT EVERY HOUSE WAS BUILT AS A BEAUTIFUL CAPTAIN'S HOUSE.

YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN A WORKMAN'S HOUSE, AND I HAD WEIRD FENESTRATION AND OPENINGS.

THE SAME, THE SAME THING. AND I KEPT I HONORED THAT I DIDN'T MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT IT WASN'T.

SO I WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM. I THINK REALLY CHANGING THAT LOOK ON THE FRONT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IF YOU GO UP AND DOWN SIXTH AND EVEN YOU BUMP OVER A LITTLE BIT, THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER HOUSES BUILT ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THIS WITH.

AND THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT HAD THE DOUBLE BALCONY BALUSTRADING UP THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME REPETITIVE HISTORY IN, IN THAT SECTION OF THE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD REALLY BE HONORING THAT AND KEEP THAT AS IT IS.

THE LAST QUESTION THAT I HAD IS YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL BALUSTRADING, THE FLATS ON. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE HISTORIC PHOTOS FROM THE MASTER FILE WE SEE ONE WHICH IS A NEWER PHOTO WHERE IT HAD ONE SET OF BALUSTRADING. AND THEN YOU GO BACK OLDER AND THERE IS A DIFFERENT.

YEAH, THEY DIDN'T MATCH TOP. IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ALMOST TURNED TICKETS ON THE TOP.

IT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE FLATS ON THEN A FLATS ON SQUARE STOCK ON THE BOTTOM.

YEAH. SO WHICH ARE YOU PROPOSING TO GO TO THE MID.

THERE'S A IN THE EXAMPLE FOLDER. THERE IS A LITTLE SKETCH.

THERE'S AN IMAGE OF JUST SOMEBODY PDF OF A BALUSTRADE THAT I THINK MAKES SENSE THAT I LIKED SINCE I FELT LIKE I HAD THE CREATIVE FREEDOM TO KIND OF DO WHAT I WANTED WITH THAT SINCE IT DIDN'T DOESN'T EXIST. SO WILL YOU BE JUST CUTTING THOSE OR YOU'RE BUYING THEM OR CEDAR? IT'LL PROBABLY BE CDAT I USE FOR MOST OF MY WINDOWS AND DOORS.

WHEN I MAKE THAT STUFF, IT'S ALREADY COMES IN THE CORRECT DIMENSIONS.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MONKEY AROUND WITH.

IS THIS WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR? YES. THANK YOU.

AND THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE TIGHT IN THAT. SO I'D PULL THEM APART A LITTLE BIT SO THAT THE ROUND PROFILE IS AN ACTUAL CIRCLE AT THE BOTTOM.

BUT THAT'S THE IDEA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I JUST HAVE REUSING HARDWARE WHENEVER POSSIBLE.

SAY THAT TO YOU. HARDWARE. NO I DON'T NEED TO.

SO. SO CAN I ASK THE BOARD TO PLEASE GIVE ME DIRECTION? WHAT ARE WE SAYING? MY GUT FEELING IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OR CONTINUE.

I'M NOT SURE WHICH CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OR CONTINUATION.

WHATEVER THE RIGHT TERM, WHATEVER IT SHOULD BE IN ORDER TO GET MORE DETAILED DRAWINGS.

I MEAN, ARE WE TALKING AN ARCHITECTS? YES. WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SUPPLY TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO JUST YOU CAN STILL DO IT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED HEIGHT SETBACKS,

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YOU'RE GOING TO NEED ENGINEERED THROUGH THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIALS AND WHO I FIND ON THE ISLAND FOR PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, ALL THOSE THINGS. AN ENGINEER'S INVOLVEMENT ON THAT IS GOING TO BE NECESSARY.

I'M VERY AWARE OF THAT. OUTSIDE IF I MEAN, IF I COULD DRAW IN WHAT YOU ALL NEED, THAT WOULD BE CERTAINLY APPRECIATIVE.

LIKE I HAVE REALLY DONE MY HOMEWORK WITH THIS AND I JUST, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE ARCHITECT THING BEFORE.

I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS IN SAVANNAH ACTUALLY, AND IT WAS GRUELING.

BUT WE DID IT AND WE GOT IT DONE. AND SEVERAL OTHER TIMES WITHOUT THE HISTORIC BOARD WHERE IT'S LIKE YOU AND THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IN A LITTLE ROOM, AND HE COMES OUT AND TELLS YOU, YOU DID A GREAT JOB SORT OF THING. I GUESS I WOULD ASK AT LEAST IF YOU'RE GIVING ME SOME KIND OF CONTINUANCE TO GIVE ME SOME SORT OF STAMP OF APPROVAL TO GET TO GET MOVING IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

SO WE'RE NOT JUST CHILLING. A CONCEPTUAL WOULD DO THAT.

AND THEN WHAT WE CAN DO IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DISCUSS AS A BOARD, YAY OR NAY TO THE CHANGING THE FENESTRATION ON THE FRONT AND PUTTING THE BUMP OUT SO WE COULD GIVE DIRECTION ON THAT. WE CAN GIVE DIRECTION ON WHETHER THE DOORS ARE OKAY OR NOT.

OKAY. AND THEN DISCUSS WHAT OTHER ADDITIONAL ITEMS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS A BOARD.

I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE EVEN THE LAYOUT. I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE BURIED IN HERE SOMEWHERE, BUT YOU KNOW, THE GARAGE AND THE SHED AND YEAH, THE, YOU KNOW, ELEVATION ACTUALLY.

I KNOW. I KNOW WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE SCALE, BUT IT IS TO SCALE WITH THE HEIGHTS OF BOTH OF THEM ON THE SAME ELEVATION.

SO THAT IS HOW HIGH THEIR GARAGE IS GOING TO BE IN COMPARISON TO HOW HIGH THE HOUSE IS. IS THERE A NUMBER ON THAT? I THERE'S THERE'S NOT. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T TELL ME THAT'S 18FT, 2.5IN.

RIGHT. IT'S A I BELIEVE IT'S EIGHT FOOT STUDS WITH A 1112 PITCH ROOF.

OKAY. SO MATCH THE HOUSE. I THINK THAT WILL PROBABLY BRING IT TO.

BUT ULTIMATELY 14, 15FT IN ORDER TO GET A BUILDING.

PERMIT ME CORRECT THE HE'S HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO PREPARE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE CONSTRUCTION.

CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE PREPARED. SO LIKE THAT, THAT IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOMETHING WITH MORE DETAIL.

OKAY. LET ME JUST THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. BUT ALSO THE FLORIDA THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, JIMMY PARR, HAS FINAL SAY. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR SURE ABOUT WHAT HE WILL ACCEPT, BUT IF WE WERE TO HAND THE BUILDING OFFICIAL A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, AND THEN THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE ENHANCED TO WORK FOR THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.

CAN WE HAVE THAT STEP? COME IN HERE FOR A REVIEW AT THAT POINT.

IF IT WAS CONCEPTUAL, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO OBTAIN A BUILDING PERMIT WITHOUT A FINAL APPROVED COA.

RIGHT. SO THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. IF WE IF THE BOARD TODAY GAVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND THE WORK COULD START, THEN WHEN WHEN THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE IN A STATE THAT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL CAN USE, CAN THEY BE BROUGHT BACK HERE FOR FINAL.

WELL, WORK DOESN'T START UNTIL THEY HAVE A FINAL.

WELL, YOU MEAN JUST WORKING ON THE PLANS? YES.

YEAH. YEAH. IS THAT DOABLE? THE WAY THAT OUR REVIEW IS SET UP AND OUR SOFTWARE IS THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT PLANNING STORMWATER. THE ARBORIST REVIEW IT FIRST AND THEN IT GOES TO BUILDING REVIEW.

BUT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT FLIP FLOPPING THAT PROCESS.

I'M NOT TRYING TO FLIP FLOP ANYTHING. WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASK IS BECAUSE WE'VE OFTEN GIVEN A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND THEN THE THE APPLICANT COMES BACK WHEN THEY'RE CLOSER TO FINAL. SO IF THAT'S WHAT WE DO TODAY, I THINK THAT'S BETTER FOR YOU THAN US SAYING, GO AWAY, WE DON'T LIKE YOU. THIS IS MY SINGLE.

THIS IS MY PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND IT'S MY ONLY RESIDENCE.

I DON'T HAVE A PLACE IN CONNECTICUT OR ANYTHING. I'M HERE.

OKAY. AND THE HOUSE IS. I MEAN, THIS SOUNDS SNOBBY, BUT IT'S IT'S NOT SUPER PLEASANT.

SO I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO LIKE, DIG INTO IT AND GET GOING.

ARE YOU SAYING THERE ARE ISSUES? GEEZ. I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S, YEAH, THERE'S THINGS THAT I'D RATHER NOT LIVE WITH.

OKEY DOKEY. WELL, SO, BUT MY POINT IS IF WE THEY ASKED FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

BUT IF WE GRANT THEM CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TODAY, THEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK WITH THEY COME BACK JUST LIKE THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO ANYWAY.

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YES. IS WHAT IS CHARMING. BUT I THINK WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN IS WHEN.

SO IF YOU GAVE THEM CONCEPTUAL, THEN THEY WOULD GO BACK AND DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO HAVE ACTUAL.

A FINAL SUBMITTAL THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.

YEAH, THAT WOULD HAVE. AND THEN IF YOU WANTED TO COME BACK, YOU COULD HAVE IT COME BACK AT THAT TIME BEFORE IT'S ACTUALLY SUBMITTED. YEAH. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN. THAT IS AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

THAT WAS VERY ELOQUENTLY PUT. YES. DOES THAT GIVE YOU AGITA.

AND THEN YOU CAN. KNOW YOU. WELL, COME UP THEN.

YOU CAN'T TALK TO HIM UNLESS WE GET TO HEAR EVERYTHING YOU SAID.

DID YOU SEE ME LIKE I'M BRIAN SHRADER? I'M SHANE'S PARTNER AND.

OKAY. 322 SOUTH SIXTH STREET. OKAY. I GUESS OUR THE HANG UP IS WE'VE ALREADY WAITED APPROXIMATELY 60 DAYS TO GET THIS TO MIA, GET THE APPROVAL. WE'RE SORT OF WANTING TO DIG IN KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MET WITH A FEW CONTRACTORS, WE'VE MET WITH A FEW SUBCONTRACTORS, AND A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL STILL DOESN'T GET US ANY PERMISSION TO DO ANYTHING, RIGHT. NO DEMO, NO ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO OUR QUESTION IS LIKE, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR ANOTHER 60 DAYS TO COME BACK BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY MISSED THE DEADLINE. I COULD CHIME IN AT THIS POINT.

THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT I'M KIND OF THINKING OF. YOU COULD PERHAPS GIVE FINAL APPROVAL TO SOME OF THE ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT THAT YOU'RE OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD, AND THEN ASK THEM TO COME BACK FOR FINAL FOR OTHER ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT.

AND THEN AS FAR AS MEETING A DEADLINE THAT HAS ALREADY PASSED WITH CONCEPTUAL, THAT COMES BACK AS FINAL, WE DO THAT KIND OF SUCCINCTLY. SO IF YOU COULD HAVE THE MATERIALS TO ME AT SOME DEADLINE, IT WOULD BE GREAT.

I THINK. CAN I ADD, CAN I ASK? SURE. SO THERE'S A PLASTIC STRUCTURE IN THE BACK.

SO, SO I HEAR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WE'D LIKE TO MOVE ON.

I MEAN CAN. SO A LOT OF THE WORK IS ACTUALLY BEING INTERIOR, WHICH IS IRRELEVANT TO THIS BOARD.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE EXTERIOR. SO BUT I DON'T I DON'T SEE THE ARGUMENT OF WE CAN'T START DEMOING BECAUSE YOU CAN DO A LOT OF WORK INSIDE BY THE TIME THE PLANS ARE SUBMITTED. AND CAN WE GIVE THEM PERMISSION TO GET RID OF THE OLD PLASTIC BUILDING? WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DO WE CAN WE NOT GO TO THE BUILDING PERMITS OFFICE TO GET PERMITS TO DEMO THE SHED? NO. SAY WHAT YOU SAID AGAIN. SO THERE ARE ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT.

SO ANYTHING ON THE INTERIOR DOES NOT REQUIRE A COA.

RIGHT. SO YOU CAN DO ANY INTERIOR WORK WITHOUT APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD. THE SHED IN THE BACK WOULD BE PERMITTED AS A ZONING PERMIT SINCE IT'S A SHED.

SO YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO GO TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR THAT.

SO IF THEY APPROVE, OKAY, YOU CAN DO THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

AND YOU WOULDN'T NEED BUILDING OFFICIAL LEVEL PLANS FOR THAT.

ARE THERE. HANG UPS HERE TO BE JUST REMOVED? YEAH.

LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF WE SAY, YEP, WE DON'T NEED THE BAY WINDOW, WE CAN JUST I MEAN, THAT WOULD SAVE ME.

AND THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. SURE. MY NEXT QUESTION FOR THIS BOARD IS, WHICH OF THESE HILLS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT ARE YOU WILLING TO DIE ON? YEAH. AND HONESTLY, ARE WE ARE WE GOING TO SAY THAT THEY CANNOT DO A BAY WINDOW, OR ARE WE GOING TO SAY THAT THEY CANNOT DO THE SIDE PORCH OR THEY CANNOT GET RID OF WHAT? WHAT ARE WE SAYING THEY CANNOT DO AND WHAT ARE WE SAYING THEY MUST DO TO COME BACK? OR SO IS THIS DISCUSSION OR WHAT? WHERE ARE WE THAT WE'RE IN BOARD DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW? I'M JUST GOING TO LET THEM STAND THERE BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING WE'RE GOING TO KEEP ASKING. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE BAY. OKAY.

I REALLY AM NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING YAY OR NAY TO THE SIDE PORCH, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE WHAT IT IS NOW AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE NOW, YOU KNOW? SO I DON'T SEE AN EXACT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING BEFORE AND AFTER.

I'D LIKE A MATERIALS LIST LIKE WE REQUIRE OF EVERYBODY ELSE.

WE REQUIRE FLORIDA PRODUCT CODES ON A LOT OF ITEMS. WE REQUIRE SPECIES OF WOOD. WE REQUIRE COLORS WE REQUIRE WHO'S MAKING THE WINDOWS.

SO WE HAVE ONE SIDE OF THE CHART THAT SAYS THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO BOARD MEMBERS NOT HAPPY WITH.

I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH TAMMI NOT HAPPY WITH A BAY WINDOW.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT COMES BACK TO HAUNT THIS BOARD FOR MANY YEARS IS WE DON'T STICK TO THE REQUIREMENT.

LIKE WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN THAT THEY KNOW WHEN THEY COME HERE, THEY GIVE SOMETHING THAT'S SIGNED BY AN ARCHITECT READY TO GO, BECAUSE THE NEXT STOP IS OVER THERE. AND AGAIN, I AGREE WITH EVERYONE.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT I HAVE A FEELING THAT EVERY TIME WE NICK AWAY AT A RULE OR A REQUIREMENT, THEN SOMEONE'S GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU DID IT FOR THAT PERSON, YOU KNOW? AND AGAIN, BUT I, I JUST WANT TO ASK OUT LOUD BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE.

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DO WE BY PROCESS HAVE TO DENY IT AND THEN ALLOW FOR CONCEPTUAL.

BECAUSE THE ADVERTISEMENT IN THE PUBLIC WAS FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. OR CAN WE CHANGE A PROCESS IN THE MIDDLE.

MADAM CHAIR. CLARIFYING QUESTION. IT. IT ISN'T REQUIRED TO HAVE A STAMPED ARCHITECT'S DRAWINGS TO GET YOUR APPROVAL CORRECT.

IT IS NOT. IT JUST SAYS ELEVATIONS. RIGHT. OKAY.

THE. WELL. RIGHT. ALL SITE PLANS AND DRAWINGS.

AND YOU ARE ALLOWED TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL. IT'S NOT.

IT IS NOT ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED. BUT IT DOES SAY THAT YOU WILL HAVE SITE PLANS AND DRAWINGS TO SCALE AND THEN YOU ARE ALLOWED AS A BOARD TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

BUT, BUT STAFF IS CORRECT. IT'S NOT PART OF THE ACTUAL APPLICATION, BUT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO ASK FOR MORE AS TO THE CONCEPTUAL, WE ARE DOING LESS RATHER THAN MORE.

SO I'M VERY COMFORTABLE. THE PUBLIC WAS NOTICED THAT WE MIGHT FINALLY APPROVE THIS AND NEVER SEE IT AGAIN.

SO IF YOU CHOOSE TO GIVE A CONCEPTUAL, THEN THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE VARIANCE PROBLEM WE HAD THE OTHER DAY.

YOU KNOW THIS, WE ARE DOING LESS IN THIS HEARING.

WE HAVE ADVERTISED THAT WE COULD APPROVE THIS FINAL TODAY AND NEVER HEAR IT AGAIN.

SO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE DOING CONCEPTUAL AND IT WOULD COME BACK, I FEEL THAT YOU HAVE FULLY MET THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, AND ANYBODY WOULD BE HERE THINKING THAT IT WOULD BE FINALIZED TODAY.

OKAY. AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET ANOTHER BITE. SO YOU GO CONCEPTUAL.

YES. I, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT, THE STEP THAT I'M REQUESTING AND IS THAT THE, THAT WE GO, THE, THAT WE DO THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE AN ARCHITECT OR AN ENGINEER TO PREPARE DRAWINGS THAT ARE MORE DETAILED. AND SO THAT PROCESS HAS TO HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT.

I DON'T THINK THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

SO COMING BACK TO US, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT DELAYS IT TOO TOO MUCH.

I WILL CLARIFY, I AM NOT 100% SURE WHAT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS GOING TO REQUIRE.

AND I HAD A EMAIL INTO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL ABOUT THIS.

AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD THIS SPECIFIC PROBLEM BEFORE, BUT IT'S AN INTERESTING ONE THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH WITH ENGINEERING SET OF CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS STAMPED, AND A SITE PLAN THAT'S STAMPED BY AN ARCHITECT.

NOW, AS FAR AS THE DRAWINGS, THE INTERIOR, THAT'S JUST ALL NICE TO HAVE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED.

AND I HADN'T GOTTEN AN EMAIL BACK FROM HIM. BUT THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH ASHLEY AT THE CITY WAS THAT IT WAS ENGINEERING AND A STAMPED SITE PLAN.

THAT'S AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT, BUT AS FAR AS THE ELEVATIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I THINK THAT'S JUST NICE TO HAVE.

SO THE ELEVATIONS WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED ANY INTERIORS.

THAT'S, THAT'S WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. WE CARE ABOUT.

BUT LIKE THERESA WAS SAYING, WE CAN REQUIRE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION LIKE WE HAVE OF OTHER APPLICANTS.

WE'VE REQUIRED MORE DETAILED CALL OUTS. AND I AGREE WITH THE CALL OUT.

AND WE'VE REQUIRED HEIGHT CALL OUTS AND, YOU KNOW, SETBACKS CLEARLY SHOWN ON THERE.

AND I MEAN, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS YOU GUYS JUST GO BACK THROUGH AND LOOK AT OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO SEE WHAT'S ON THERE, YOU KNOW, BUT ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE A STAMP SET OF PLANS FOR THIS BOARD, I GUESS IS THE QUESTION.

NO, NO, THEY DON'T HAVE MORE DETAIL. WE JUST NEED MORE DETAIL.

OKAY. OKAY. NOW I'M I'M HAVING AN ISSUE HERE IN MY OWN HEAD AND UNDERSTAND THAT I'M THE LEAST KNOWLEDGEABLE.

AND THAT'S WHY THEY GAVE ME THIS, RIGHT? SO MY QUESTION IS, WHEN WE HAD THAT PERGOLA, IT WAS A HAND DRAWING THAT DIDN'T HAVE WHAT WE SAW WOULD COULD NOT BE BUILT AND STAND UP.

SO WE SENT THEM BACK AND SAID, YOU NEED TO COME BACK WITH A REAL DRAWING, LIKE AN ENGINEER'S DRAWING.

AND I THINK THERE'S TWO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THAT CASE IN THIS CASE.

I THINK THIS IS A SCALED DRAWING BY SOMEONE WHO HAS EXPERIENCE WITH ARCHITECTURE AND PRESERVATION.

THAT WAS A SKETCH ON A NAPKIN BY A HOMEOWNER.

RIGHT. OKAY. SO AS FAR AS THE THE DRAWINGS GO, WHAT IS IT? JUST GIVE ME A LIST OF WHAT WHAT THEY NEED TO COME BACK WITH.

ONE AT A TIME. TAMMI. MORE ELEVATION HEIGHT CALLOUTS.

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I'M JUST THE GARAGE. WE HAVE A WHOLE NEW BUILDING THAT I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S A 12 BY 22 LITTLE TINY ONE CAR GARAGE.

IT'S BASICALLY A BIG SHED, AND THE SQUARES DO COUNT ON THE HEIGHT OF THAT.

OR I MEAN, THAT'S 14.5FT. YOU CAN'T JUST DENY IT.

WE'RE ALSO WILLING TO FOREGO THE GARAGE AND COME BACK WITH PLANS FOR THE GARAGE.

TOTALLY. OR THE BAY WINDOW, IF YOU TELL ME, LIKE, I DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THAT, I'LL BE FINE, BECAUSE I REALLY DO GOTTA LIKE GET TRUCKING.

AND I HAVE NEVER SUPPLIED AN ARCHITECT'S DRAWINGS TO A BUILDING OFFICIAL.

WE HAD ONE DRAWN UP IN SAVANNAH FOR A SIDE PORCH AND THEY, WELL THAT'S GEORGIA, IT WAS JUST NICE.

RIGHT. AND THEN THE SIDE PORCH. TAMMI YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT I'M NOT CHANGING ANYTHING THERE EITHER.

SO MEASUREMENTS, CAN YOU PULL UP THE SOUTH ELEVATION? YES. YEAH. PLEASE. BECAUSE IT IS A PORCH. IT'S JUST ENCLOSED.

IT'S ENCLOSED. SO SOMEONE JUST MADE THAT WHEN IT WAS DUPLEX, THEY ENCLOSED THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS WITH LIKE PLYWOOD AND STUFF SO THEY COULD PUT IN LIKE A LAUNDRY ROOM. SO HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS ALL THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING THAT WE'RE NOT FINDING ON THESE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.

LET ME FINISH. EVERYBODY ELSE THAT COMES TO THIS BOARD, WHETHER IT'S DRAWN OR ARCHITECTURALLY DRAWN, HAS ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR US TO GO THROUGH AND REALLY UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT.

SO LITERALLY, YOU CAN HAVE AN ARROW AND A CALLOUT THAT SAYS EXISTING COLUMN IS BLAH, BLAH, BLAH TURNED. WE'RE CHANGING. WANT TO CHANGE IT TO A SIX BY SIX? WE NEED TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE HERE'S THE REASON WHY YOU GUYS HAVE ALL PEOPLE UNDERSTAND PRESERVATION.

AND THE REASON WE DO THIS RIGHT IS TO KEEP OUR TOWN VALUABLE TO, TO PRESERVE WHAT'S HERE.

SOMEBODY ELSE CAN COME IN HERE. AND WHEN YOU HAVE THIS MAGNITUDE OF CHANGE, WE DON'T KNOW EVERYBODY THAT COMES HERE.

THEY COULD COME IN AND JUST HAVE THIS PRETTY PICTURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

AND THEN, OH, THAT WAS HARD. THAT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE.

AND THEN LET'S JUST PUT THIS UP INSTEAD BECAUSE IT WASN'T CALLED OUT.

WE'RE JUST HERE TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF EVERYTHING HERE.

AND I KNOW YOU GUYS WANT TO DO THAT TOO. SO JUST GIVE US SOME MORE INFORMATION.

I MEAN, I WILL SAY THAT WE DID SUBMIT A PROFESSIONAL PORTFOLIO WITH OUR.

BUT THAT'S OTHER PLACES WHERE WE'RE WE'RE TASKED WITH LOOKING AT THIS JOB RIGHT NOW AND IT'S A BIG JOB.

SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING, OH, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DO A GREAT JOB.

I WANT TO SAY THAT YOU ARE. I THINK YOU ARE. BUT AS AT MY CAPACITY HERE, I CAN'T DO THAT.

WHAT WE'RE FACED WITH IS A SITUATION WHERE THESE PEOPLE ARE LICENSED TO DO THE TYPE OF WORK, AND IT'S QUASI JUDICIAL, BUT THEY'RE LICENSED TO DO THIS.

SO IF THEY'RE ARE UNCOMFORTABLE SIGNING OFF ON SOMETHING AND THEN IT IT GOES FLOOEY.

THEN THEIR NAMES ARE ATTACHED TO A FLUID PROJECT.

SO IF WE ASK YOU TO DO CALL OUTS, IF WE IF THESE THINGS HAPPEN TODAY, IF WE GRANT A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, WE ASK YOU TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION. SO FILL IN THE GAPS OF THE INFORMATION LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ENCLOSED PORCH.

JUST FILL IN THOSE GAPS. THE DEMO PLAN ON THERE THAT SHOWCASES THAT IS THAT THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR THAT CAN YOU DO THE SECOND FLOOR? YES, THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR. AND YOU GUYS DIDN'T LOOK AT IT ENOUGH, QUITE FRANKLY.

WELL, BUT THERE'S THE ON THE SITE PLAN, THE DEMO PLAN FOR THE SECOND FLOOR PORCH.

IT'S ALL THERE. THEN TALK TO US LIKE WE'RE THREE YEARS OLD AND HELP US UNDERSTAND IT, BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN IN THESE WEEDS FOR A LONG TIME.

WE DID READ THIS. I, I BEG TO DIFFER. WE ALL REVIEWED IT.

WE ALL HAD QUESTIONS. WE ALL TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT OUR QUESTIONS.

WE BROUGHT THEM HERE AND TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THEM.

WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IF YOU GET CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TODAY, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND START INSIDE WITH WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO.

I'M GOING TO NOW ASK A QUESTION OF THE BOARD TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU SHOULD NOT DO.

IS THE BAY WINDOW A NO GO? I THINK THE BAY WINDOW IS A NO GO.

I DON'T HAVE A STRONG FEELING ABOUT IT EITHER.

WHICH WAY? BOB? I, I I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THE EXPERTS ON ARCHITECTURAL THINGS.

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AND I REALIZE I THERE ARE RULES THAT I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET A RESOLUTION.

I WOULD ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE WAITING. SO. RIGHT.

LET'S LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THESE FOLKS WHO IN GOOD FAITH CAME HERE WITH A LOT OF PLANS AND CLEARLY HAVE DONE THIS KIND OF WORK IN OTHER PLACES, BUT WELCOME TO FERNANDINA. SO NOW WHAT YOU HAVE IS A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE SAYING, I BELIEVE WE'LL LIVE THROUGH THIS NO BAY WINDOW.

YEAH. AND IS THERE ANY OTHER THING THAT'S A NO GO BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? I DON'T THINK ANYTHING ELSE IS A NO GO. AS LONG AS WE HAVE MORE DETAILED INFORMATION IN TERMS OF THE INTERIOR.

I HOPE THAT YOU CAN SALVAGE WHATEVER YOU CAN SALVAGE IF YOU FIND SOMETHING THAT'S ORIGINAL.

BUT AS YOU SAID, IT'S ALREADY BEEN KIND OF BUTCHERED.

SO WELL, THE FLOORS ARE NICE TO FIND ANY KEY HOOKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S A NO GO? I NEED RESOLUTION ON THIS.

SO WE HAVE NOTHING. THAT'S A NO GO EXCEPT THE BAY WINDOW.

OKAY. AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND ASK YOU TO FILL IN THOSE GAPS, CONNECT THOSE DIAGRAMS FOR US BECAUSE THERE'S A MILLION OF THEM, RIGHT.

SO PUT YOURSELVES IN OUR CHAIRS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH PIECE OF THE PUZZLE IS WHICH.

AND YOU PROVIDE A LOT OF VERBAL INFORMATION. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, RIGHT? SO IF THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS PRESENTED AND WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT IT IS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS GOING TO REQUIRE FROM THEM TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION NO MATTER WHAT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL DOES.

BUT IF THE BUILDING OFFICIAL WANTS ENGINEERING DRAWINGS OR ARCHITECTURAL STAMP OR WHATEVER, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED TO THE APPLICANT WHEN THEY FIRST COME IN, AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHOLE PROCESS BETTER. I THINK IN ORDER FOR US TO BE AS EFFECTIVE AS WE NEED TO BE.

CAN I ADD ONE THING? YEAH. THE BUILDING OFFICIALS DECISION CAN VARY FROM PROJECT TO PROJECT.

SO IF I NEED TO ASK HIM ABOUT EVERY PROJECT, I CAN DO THAT AS WELL.

I WANT HIM TO GIVE US DON'T I DON'T WANT TO HEAR AN ANSWER THAT SAYS IT DEPENDS ON WHO ASKS IT OR IT DEPENDS ON THE BUILDING.

I WANT TO HEAR AN ANSWER THAT MEETS CODE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. I WILL RELAY THAT TO HIM. WE NEED TO. WE'LL HAVE HIM COME EXPLAIN IT TO US.

OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. YEAH, IT'S GOT TO BE STANDARDS.

ALL RIGHT. SO I JUST WANTED TO CHANNEL POZZETTA SINCE HE'S NOT HERE.

YES. SO SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US AND TO MOST HISTORIC DISTRICTS IS MAINTAINING THE EXISTING FENESTRATION AND OPENINGS.

SO YOU KNOW, I SEE ON HERE YOU'RE CHANGING A WINDOW TO A DOOR OR BLOCKING IN A WINDOW AND PUTTING SHUTTERS THERE.

SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST ON YOUR MORE DETAILED DRAWINGS IS LITERALLY, SAY, USING THIS EXISTING OPENING, YOU KNOW, AND CONVERTING IT TO A DOOR.

SO YOU'RE NOT SHIFTING IT OVER AND BLOCKING OUT A WINDOW.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, THAT JUST SHOWS US A HISTORY THAT THAT WAS THERE AND NOW IT'S A DOOR AND THAT'S POZZETTA IS A BIG ON WINDOWS DOCUMENTED. YEAH, YEAH. SO DOES ALL OF THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? AND CAN I GO AHEAD AND ASK FOR A MOTION OR ARE YOU NOT HAPPY? I CAN TELL THE LOOK ON YOUR FACE. WELL, I DON'T, I ACTUALLY WANT TO TAMMI TO TELL ME WHAT SHE WAS JUST TELLING ME BECAUSE I HAVE ON THE ALL FOUR OF THESE, THERE'S A BEFORE AND AFTER. THERE'S A DEMO AND A NEW FLOOR PLAN FOR EACH FLOOR AND THE WINDOWS AND DOORS THAT I HAVE DRAWN ON HERE DO SAY THAT.

AND THEY HAVE NOT MOVED OR CHANGED. BUT YOU WANT THEM TO SAY, I'M NOT MOVING THIS OR CHANGING.

I SEE ONE THAT SAYS ON THE FIRST FLOOR IT SAYS CHANGE TO A DOOR.

SO I, I MEAN, BECAUSE THESE AREN'T COMPUTER GENERATED, SCALED EVERYTHING WITH ALL THE DIMENSIONS TO THE, THE HALF INCH OR LESS. SOMETIMES IT WOULD BEHOOVE YOU TO SAY IN EXISTING WINDOW OPENING CHANGE TO DOOR, BECAUSE A PENCIL DRAWING, YOU CAN JUST ERASE AND MOVE OVER.

YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SAY WE'RE COMING. WE'RE PULLING OUT.

12FT, SIX INCHES. IT JUST HAS A PIECE OF RED MARKER ON THERE.

[01:30:02]

YEAH. THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO. IT'S WHICH I CAN SAY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TOLD ME HE WOULD NO LONGER TAKE MY DRAWINGS FROM JANUARY 1ST ON, SO I HAD TO. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD.

THANK YOU. AND BUT BEFORE WE CONTINUE GOING, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE YOU COME UP IF YOU WERE GOING TO BE A WITNESS.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A. I WISH THAT WAS STAMPED ON THE APPLICATION PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ARCHITECT, BECAUSE THIS WOULD HAVE SAVED ME A WHOLE LOT OF TIME AND MONEY.

I TRIED MY BEST TO RELATE TO THE APPLICANT, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BOARD.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL FROM NOW ON ENSURE THAT AT THE APPLICATION INCEPTION THAT THAT'S UNDERSTOOD.

HOWEVER, COMMA, I NEED TO GET A MOTION. OKAY, WE'LL BE QUIET.

I'LL DO IT. I THINK I'LL TRY AND DO IT. PLEASE.

I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HGC 2026-0006 WITH CONDITIONS. AND I MOVE THAT THE. DO I NEED TO SAY THE CONDITIONS NOW? YEAH YEAH I WAS I KNOW AT THE END IT SAYS WARRANT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

I MOVE TO APPROVE OR DENY. I, I MOVED TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HGC 2026 0006 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

THAT IT IS APPROVED CONCEPTUALLY AND THAT THE BAY WINDOW IS REMOVED FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION, AND THAT THERE'S MORE DETAIL PROVIDED IN TERMS OF EXISTING CONDITIONS AND MATERIALS AND DOCUMENTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED. AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW.

PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE HDC 2026-0006 AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND HISTORIC DOWNTOWN FERNANDINA BEACH DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MEMBERS. YES. MEMBER KOSACK.

YES. MEMBER SAKOWSKI. YES. MEMBER BURNS. YES.

MEMBER. SALEH. YES. AND CHAIR FILKOFF. YES. THANK YOU.

AND I DID MEAN WELCOME TO FERNANDINA. THANK YOU.

WE APPRECIATE IT. I REALLY DID MEAN IT. WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE.

IT'S REALLY NICE. WE LOVE TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO VALUE OLDER HOMES AND OLDER PEOPLE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AND LONGER TIME FRAMES. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT.

NOW. AND, MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY ONE OF THE BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE NEXT CASE, I THINK WHAT THE BOARD MAYBE WAS TRYING TO ARTICULATE IS THAT WITHOUT SPECIFIC DETAIL, WHEN WE HAVE HAD.

GUYS. HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE. GO AHEAD. OH, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT I THINK WHAT THE BOARD WHAT I WAS HEARING THE BOARD TRY TO ARTICULATE IS THE SPECIFIC DETAIL, THE CALL OUTS, THE TYPE OF MATERIALS IS WHAT ALLOWS US TO ENFORCE.

WHEN PEOPLE DO NOT DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHEN THEY COME TO THIS BOARD, AND THEN WHEN WE DO NOT HAVE THE SPECIFICITY, THEN THERE'S INTERPRETATION. AND IF WE HAVE TO ENFORCE, WE DON'T HAVE THE LEVEL OF DETAIL WE NEED TO ENFORCE.

OKAY. OR JUST WHEN, WHEN THINGS AREN'T DONE THE WAY YOU INDICATED.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WAS THE POINT THAT WAS TRYING TO GET ACROSS. IS IT JUST SHE SAID IT MUCH MORE ELEGANTLY.

I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER THE WORDS. SHE WENT TO SCHOOL FOR THAT I DIDN'T.

SO I ALSO, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, I WANTED TO MENTION THE FACT THAT I.

I WAS MADE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT SOME ONE OF YOU RECEIVED MAYBE MORE OF YOU RECEIVED AN E-MAIL OR A MAILING FROM ME WITH MY NAME ON IT. YOU GOT THAT? I MEAN, I DON'T SEND OUT BILLS. I JUST DON'T.

SO IF YOU EVER GET A BILL THAT WAS A BIG ONE.

YES. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR ME. NO. SO IF SO, IF ANYBODY IN THE ROOM GETS A LETTER FROM THE CITY ABOUT ANY SORT OF WITH AN INVOICE ATTACHED AND A BOARD MEMBER'S NAME, NOT AN OFFICIAL CITY PERSON ON IT, IT'S NOT REAL. SO PLEASE GET IN TOUCH WITH CITY STAFF AS SOON AS THAT HAPPENS TO YOU, BECAUSE SOMEBODY OUT THERE HAS FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE FOR THE WORLD.

PEACE AND HUNGER. THANK YOU. $1,800. YES. HOW ABOUT THE PROJECT?

[01:35:05]

SO I'M GOING TO NEED SOME MONEY NOW THAT YOU MENTIONED IT.

OKAY. CITY WOULD NEVER ASK FOR FUNDS TO BE WIRED.

YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS. YES. I'M GLAD.

ARE YOU THE ONE THAT CALLED ME? NO. OUR CLIENT CALLED.

OKAY. SOMEBODY CALLED ME, AND I. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT THEY DID, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON, BUT THANK YOU. OKAY. THE NEXT CASE WE HAVE IS HDC 2026-0007

[5.3 HDC 2026-0007 - MEMORIAL UNITED METHODIST CHURCH - 601 CENTRE STREET FINAL Certificate of Approval (COA) to replace original windows at the Lamb Daycare building with new windows.]

YES, THIS IS HGC CASE 2026 0007. THE APPLICANT IS MEMORIAL UNITED METHODIST CHURCH AND THEIR AGENT IS TOM OLIVER.

I BELIEVE HE SITS ON THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES.

THIS BUILDING IS ON THE CORNER OF CENTER STREET AND NORTH SIXTH STREET.

THERE'S A CONTRIBUTING NEOCLASSICAL STRUCTURE THAT FRONTS ON CENTER STREET, I'M SURE.

YOU GUYS ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS BUILDING. THE APPLICATIONS FOR FINAL APPROVAL TO REPLACE 22 WINDOWS AT THE LAMB DAYCARE CENTER.

AND THIS IS THE STRUCTURE THAT I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER OF THE SCREEN.

IT'S A ONE STORY STRUCTURE THAT WAS BUILT IN THE 1960S.

THERE'S 11 SETS OF TWO, SIX OVER SIX ALUMINUM WINDOWS ON THIS SIDE AND THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE LAMB DAYCARE CENTER.

THE APPLICANT CAME TO ME AT A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING INQUIRING ABOUT DIFFERENT WINDOW TYPES THAT COULD BE REPLACED DUE TO THE LACK OF EFFICIENCY AND DETERIORATION OF THE WINDOWS OVER TIME. AND I POINTED HIM TO THE APPROVED LIST AND THE WINDOW SURVEY.

HE THEN COMPLETED THE WINDOW SURVEY AND WENT OUT TO GET SOME PRICES ON SOME OF THE WINDOWS.

THE WINDOWS THAT HIM AND THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES CHOSE WERE NOT ON THE APPROVED LIST.

AND THEN I NOTIFIED HIM THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THE BOARD TO GET APPROVAL OF WINDOWS THAT ARE NOT ON THE APPROVED LIST.

SO THIS IS JUST A SITE PLAN OF THE MEMORIAL UNITED METHODIST CHURCH.

AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THAT'S THE CONTRIBUTING MAIN SANCTUARY.

AND THEN IN THE MIDDLE HIGHLIGHTED THAT IS THE LAMB DAYCARE CENTER WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE PROPOSED TO BE REPLACED.

AND THEN THE NORTHERNMOST STRUCTURE IS MAXWELL HALL THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE 90S.

AND AS I SAID, THE APPLICANT FILLED OUT THE WINDOW SURVEY AND DID EXTENSIVE PHOTO DOCUMENTATION OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS, THAT ARE ALUMINUM SIX OVER SIX WITH THE RAISED MOUNTAINS.

AND THEN ON THIS SLIDE, I PULLED AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED IN TERMS OF DOCUMENTATION.

AND THEN JUST A LITTLE SNIPPET I PULLED FROM PETER'S WEBSITE ON THE VINYL WINDOWS THAT HAVE THE SIX OVER SIX CONFIGURATION.

SINCE THE WINDOWS ARE ALUMINUM AND THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT FALL INTO THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.

I DIDN'T SCRUTINIZE THESE WINDOWS AS MUCH AS I WOULD OLD HISTORIC WOODEN WINDOWS THAT FALL INTO OUR VICTORIAN ERA PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, AND ADVISED THE APPLICANT THAT HE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH HIS APPLICATION TO THE HGC AND GO FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

STAFF REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND FINDS IT COMPLIANT WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS SADLER? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ACTUALLY, I HAVE ONE FOR MISS SADLER. OH GO RIGHT AHEAD.

IN THE PAST, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT NEW WINDOWS UP, WE TYPICALLY HAD A PRESENTATION FROM THE WINDOW COMPANY BECAUSE I THINK THE BOARD JUST ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS. SO JUST PROCEDURALLY, IF WE APPROVE THIS WINDOW, DOES IT BECOME PART OF THE APPROVED LIST FOR ANYONE ELSE? OR WOULD WE STILL REQUIRE THAT COMPANY TO COME AND PRESENT? THERE IS A DIFFERENT PROCESS FOR WINDOWS TO BE ADDED TO THE APPROVED LIST.

AT THIS POINT IT IS A CASE SPECIFIC REQUEST. IT WOULD ONLY BE FOR THAT BUILDING THESE WINDOWS.

YES. OKAY. BECAUSE OF WHEN IT WAS BUILT AND IT WAS USED FOR AND SO FORTH.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? SIR, COULD YOU COME UP SO WE CAN JUST HARASS YOU? ALL RIGHT. YAY! NO, I'M TOM OLIVER. I'M THE CO-CHAIR OF OUR BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE CHURCH.

AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE? 4734 OLIVER LANE. FERNANDINA BEACH.

OKAY. SO. AND THIS IS OUR REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE WINDOWS.

OKAY. I'M RANDALL DOMINGUE. I WORK FOR HOME DEPOT.

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I'VE BEEN ASSIGNED TO THE FERNANDINA AREA FOR ALMOST TEN YEARS.

DID YOU SAY DOMAIN? DOMAIN? MINGUEDOMINGUE. YOU'RE LIKE THE THIRD PERSON IN THE WORLD.

I HAVE FAMILY. OH. OH, BOY. OKAY, I'M ON THE GOOD SIDE.

THE THINGS YOU SHOULD TELL ABOUT. DO WE NEED SOME DISCLOSURE? I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS THAT PART OF THE TREE THAT I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT, IF I MAY.

MY PARENTS DIVORCED WHEN I WAS FOUR. MY DAD WENT AWAY.

I WAS RAISED BY A WOMAN NAMED LINDA REESE, WHO'S FROM PENNSYLVANIA.

OH, THE BEST SHE COULD IN LOUISIANA. WELL, THERE YOU GO.

LOUISIANA IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. YES, YES. OKAY.

YES, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. OLIVER? I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOROUGHNESS IN THE BACKGROUND AND THE HISTORY AND THE PRESENTATION, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK YOU A TON OF QUESTIONS. YOU PROVIDED ALL THE ANSWERS IN THAT.

WELL. THANK YOU. YEAH, WE ARE VERY THOROUGH. ACTUALLY, MY WIFE AND I PUT TOGETHER THE HISTORY ROOM FOR THE METHODIST CHURCH.

AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN THERE, WE HAVE, LIKE A MINI MUSEUM OF THE CHURCH DATING BACK TO THE MIDDLE 1800S.

OH, WOW. AND IT'S IN THE BASEMENT IN THE FRONT PART, BUT IT'S OPEN TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO GO THROUGH THERE.

EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT. THAT CHURCH IS SUCH A CRITICAL PIECE OF OUR DOWNTOWN AREA.

AND WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THAT HISTORIC LOOK BECAUSE THE MAIN CHURCH WAS BUILT IN 27.

THE BACK THREE STORY BUILDING WAS COMPLETED IN 52.

THIS BUILDING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW WAS COMPLETED IN THE EARLY 60S.

RIGHT. AND THEN MAXWELL HALL IN THE 90S. AND THEN WE CHOSE TO, YOU KNOW, WE PURCHASED THE VICTORIAN HOME NEXT TO US AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION. SHOULD THAT BE A PARKING LOT? SHOULD THAT BE A, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER CLASSROOM FACILITY? BUT THIS WAS 25 YEARS AGO. AND WE'VE CHOSEN TO KEEP IT AND WE'RE DOING THE WORK TO, TO KEEP IT UP SO IT STAYS.

THAT'S WONDERFUL. IT'S THE LAST ACTUAL HOME ON CENTER STREET, ISN'T IT? LISTEN, BESIDES THE. YEAH, WE JUST HAD THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY MEETING MONDAY NIGHT PRESENTATION ON THE SWAN HOUSE.

THAT'S WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. WHERE THE WHERE NO SWAN HOUSE IS WHERE PEPPERS IS.

BUT IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL VICTORIAN HOME ACROSS THE STREET.

IT WAS TORN DOWN IN ABOUT 59. YEAH. AND IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MORE HISTORIC HOMES ON THE ISLAND.

SO. WELL, SO A HOME WAS WHERE TASTYS IS NOW, WHICH.

EXACTLY. SO IT'S APPALLING TO ME. MR. DOMAIN, HOME DEPOT.

DID YOU BRING A SAMPLE BY CHANCE? I HAVE A WINDOW, BUT IT'S.

YEAH. LET'S LET'S SHOW YOU. PERFECT. NOW, THIS IS THE BASE WINDOW.

THE WINDOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN WILL HAVE THE GRIDS, THE GRILLS, WHATEVER.

AND THEY ARE 7/8 OF AN INCH TRADITIONAL SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT.

SO THEY'RE APPLIED. SO THEY'RE MORE MORE HISTORIC LOOKING THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW.

AND THEY'RE RAISED THEY'RE ON THE EXTERIOR. THE OUTSIDE.

YES. SO THAT'S WHAT THE OUTSIDE OF THE WINDOW WOULD LOOK LIKE.

IT WOULD HAVE A HALF SCREEN. I HAD TO TAKE IT OFF SO THE CUSTOMER COULD TAP THE GLASS.

AND THEN THE TRADITIONAL WOULD BE TWO AND ONE, TWO AND ONE.

AND AGAIN THEY ARE RAISED, THEY ARE EXTERIOR, THEY'RE CONTOURED AND THEY'RE SINGLE HUNG.

SINGLE HUNG. RIGHT, RIGHT. WE CAN DO A DOUBLE HUNG.

BUT QUITE FRANKLY, I WOULD HATE FOR THE CHURCH TO THE EXPENSE.

YEAH. WELL, THEY'RE SINGLE HUNG. THEY'RE RIGHT THERE NOW, SO.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT. YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.

WELL. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE? AND I AND I MAY HAVE READ IT, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED IT, ARE THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE BUILDING NOW, ARE THEY THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS OR ARE THEY. THEY'RE ORIGINAL. THEY'RE THE ORIGINAL 1960S.

AND THEY HAVE THE RAISED BUTTON ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT IT'S AN EIGHTH OF AN INCH.

YOU KNOW, IT'S THE IT'S THE FLAT ALUMINUM OF THAT ERA NEEDS TO BE CONTOURED, RIGHT? MORE TRADITIONAL LOOKING. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU BOTH. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU MA'AM.

ANY BOARD DISCUSSION? ABSENT THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS. OKAY THEN.

SO SO I'M JUST GOING TO THROW OUT THERE THAT YOU KNOW, ORDINARILY WE WOULD NOT APPROVE ANYTHING THAT WASN'T ON OUR PRE-APPROVED LIST WITHOUT AT LEAST SEEING THEM.

[01:45:01]

SO THAT'S ONE. TWO IS WE'VE MOSTLY DONE THAT ON, ON BUILDINGS THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING.

CORRECT. YES. TWO IS WE HAVE OFTEN WRESTLED AND A LOT OF ARCHITECTS AND PRESERVATIONISTS WRESTLE WITH THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE. AND WHEN A BUILDING BECOMES ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT.

BECAUSE IF WE JUST HAVE THIS DIVIDING LINE IN THE SAND OF A CERTAIN YEAR, WELL, THEN EVERYTHING AFTER THAT CAN EFFECTUALLY BE CHANGED AND DEMOLISHED.

SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS A LOVELY, BEAUTIFUL MID MOD BUILDING THAT NEEDS TO BE SAVED, BUT I DO THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED. LASTLY BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF INSTITUTION THAT THIS IS, I WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE LENIENT TOWARDS APPROVING THIS.

I MEAN I ACTUALLY PREFER THE THINNER PATTERNS OF, OF THE ORIGINAL GLASS.

I THINK IT'S MORE FITTING THAN ONCE YOU GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF A CLUNKY VINYL WINDOW, BUT I CAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE DAY CARE AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND WHATNOT.

SO THOSE ARE MY THREE THOUGHTS ON THAT. I'M GOING TO ADD, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH TAMMI ON ALL OF THAT.

MY CONCERN IS THAT IT DOES APPEAR THAT IT'S A VERY, YOU KNOW, A MUCH MORE HISTORIC OR TRADITIONAL LOOKING TYPE OF WINDOW THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN A BUILDING WHERE IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T ESTHETICALLY IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S THE APPROPRIATE STYLE.

AND I THINK SOMETHING CLEANER OR SIMPLER WOULD ACTUALLY BE MORE APPROPRIATE THERE, EVEN IF IT IS STILL VINYL.

I DON'T LOVE THE IDEA OF VINYL, BUT AGAIN, I DO APPRECIATE IT IN THE BUDGET AND THE FACT, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THAT.

SO. I THINK I'M MOST CAUGHT UP ON THE FACT THAT IT'S VINYL.

I'M LESS CAUGHT UP ON THE DESIGN JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE APPROVED WINDOW LIST.

IT'S. BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S WHEN TAMMI SAYS WE SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION.

I THINK PART OF MY DISCUSSION WANTS TO BE. WE'VE PUSHED BACK A GREAT DEAL ON CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.

BUT I DON'T RECALL US PUSHING BACK A GREAT DEAL ON NON CONTRIBUTING.

SO I MEAN WE HAVE A LIST OF WINDOWS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE TO REPLACE IN A HISTORIC BUILDING CONTRIBUTING CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC BUILDING.

THIS ONE IS NOT. SO HOW I MEAN HOW CAN WE IN GOOD CONSCIENCE DENY WHAT COMES TO MIND IS THE LITTLE OFFICE BUILDING ON TRINITY WHEN THEY CHANGED THEIRS, THAT WAS THAT WAS A NONCONTRIBUTING SECTION OF THAT CHURCH.

AND IT WAS OLD ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT WERE IN THERE.

BUT THEY DID CHOOSE SOMETHING THAT WAS ON OUR LIST.

SO BECAUSE AT FIRST WE WERE SAYING, WELL, WHOA, THAT'S AN ORIGINAL WINDOW, BUT IT WAS A 1960S ALUMINUM.

AND HOW MANY WINDOWS WERE THERE? I THINK THERE WERE THREE.

I WANT TO SAY AROUND THAT BACK, AND IT WAS IN THE BACK OF THE CHURCH IN THE BUILDING.

SO I MEAN, TO DYLAN'S POINT, THIS IS PRETTY VISIBLE ON SIXTH STREET.

SO, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE. MAYBE THERE IS A BETTER PROFILE WINDOW STILL IN A BUDGET RANGE THAT MIGHT FIT.

OH, MR. OLIVER. YEAH. ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRIED TO DO, IF YOU LOOK THE BUILDING IMMEDIATELY SOUTH AND IMMEDIATELY NORTH, WE TRIED TO MATCH THOSE. OKAY. AND WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE HAVE MATCHES VERY CLOSELY THE WOODEN WINDOW TO THE SOUTH.

THE BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT IN 1952. IS THAT MAXWELL? NO, THAT'S NOT MAXWELL. THE MAIN SANCTUARY. OKAY, OKAY.

WAS BUILT IN 27, THE THREE STORY BUILDING THAT'S ATTACHED TO IT.

I MEAN, YOU CAN'T FROM THE OUTSIDE, YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL THAT THEY WEREN'T BUILT AT THE SAME TIME.

BUT THAT THREE STORY BUILDING WAS COMPLETED IN 52.

AND IT'S GOT CASEMENT SIX OVER SIX, WITH WIDE WOODEN MUTTONS.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE SPECIFICALLY DID, BECAUSE WE KNEW ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WAS TO HAVE EXTERNAL MUTTONS, SO WE MATCHED AS CLOSE AS WE COULD GET TO THAT.

NOW WE THEN LOOKED. WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A PROPENSITY NOT TO APPROVE INTERNAL MUTTONS, WHICH IS KIND OF WEIRD BECAUSE THE NEXT BUILDING BACK WE HAVE INTERNAL MUTTONS, BUT THEY'RE THE WIDE INTERNAL MUTTONS ON THE MAXWELL HALL BUILDING.

SO WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WAS MATCH AS CLOSE AS WE COULD.

WHAT WAS THERE WITH NOT CONSIDERING INTERNAL MUTTONS.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT GOT IGNORED AND WE JUST WENT FOR A WINDOW.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO WHAT?

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OH, YEAH. WE'LL KEEP GOING. THERE YOU GO. THOSE CASEMENT WINDOWS PULL IN ON THE MUD.

SEE THOSE? OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO SIMULATE.

THE CLOSE YOU KNOW, THE THE CONTINUATION. AND ONE THING, EVEN THOUGH THE BUILDINGS WERE ALL BUILT AT A DIFFERENT TIME, THEY'RE ALL RED BRICK. SO THEY FLOW. IT'S NOT LIKE ONES GREEN AND ONES PURPLE, IF YOU WILL.

YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING. AND THAT'S WHY WE PICKED WHAT WE PICKED TO TRY TO MAKE A MATCH.

BECAUSE AS YOU SAY, THAT IT'S A 1960S BUILDING STUCK IN BETWEEN A AN OLD HISTORIC BUILDING AND A NEW BUILDING.

SO. SO WHAT'S WHAT'S THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD? DON'T ALL SPEAK AT ONCE. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE CARE FOR THE MATERIAL TYPE AND THE STYLE IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT IN A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE THAN NONCONTRIBUTING.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IS THERE ANY STANDARD THAT WE'RE GOING TO APPLY TO THE NONCONTRIBUTING, I GUESS IS THE THE QUESTION OR IS IT CASE BY CASE? WELL, I THINK IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT THESE STRUCTURES DOWNTOWN, THE THE.

FACILITIES OR BUILDINGS THAT HAVE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS IS ALL PART OF THE SAME CAMPUS, IF YOU WILL, ARE LIMITED PRIMARILY TO CHURCHES. THIS MAY BE THE BIGGEST ONE DOWNTOWN, BUT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, THEY WENT FLOOEY AND DID ALL KINDS OF FLOOEY THINGS OVER THERE.

WE DO WE NEED A STANDARD FOR NONCONTRIBUTING IS YOUR QUESTION RIGHT? WHAT IS MY FEELING ABOUT. THE ANSWER TO THAT IS MAYBE WE DO, BUT DO WE? DO WE APPLY IT TO SOMEBODY WHEN WE DON'T HAVE IT YET? NONCONTRIBUTING IS THAT BASED ON A YEAR? NO, THAT IS, EVERY FIVE OR SO YEARS WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SURVEY OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND CONTRIBUTING STATUSES BASED ON KIND OF A NUMBER OF FACTORS, INCLUDING YEAR IT WAS CONSTRUCTED AND MATERIALS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAD A VICTORIAN HOUSE THAT WASN'T OUR PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, WHICH IS LATE 1800S TO EARLY 1900S, AND THEN THE OWNER JUST COVERED THE WHOLE THING IN VINYL. IT WOULD BECOME NONCONTRIBUTING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXHIBIT THOSE FEATURES THAT ARE EMULATIVE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE REASON I ASK IS TAMMI HAD BROUGHT IT UP THE ORIGINAL CHARTER FROM MY MEMORY.

IT WAS AT THE TIME IT WAS LOOKING BACK 50 YEARS, BUT THAT 50 YEARS MARK WAS 50 YEARS AGO.

SO. SO THE NUMBER KEEPS MOVING. SO TO ME, THAT IS A HISTORIC BUILDING BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT 60 YEARS AGO.

IF YOU USE THAT 50 YEAR MARK THERE'S THE KIND OF GENERAL DEFINITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES, WHICH IS THAT 50 YEAR MARK, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE NATIONALLY REGISTERED HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT PRESCRIBES A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF DERIVE CONTRIBUTING AND NONCONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS.

YEAH. YES. NO. PERSONALLY, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE ALL THE WINDOWS LOOK AGAIN, ASIDE FROM MATERIAL, BUT THE WINDOWS LOOK AS UNIFORM AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE EXISTENCE OF A CHURCH IS TO TRY TO HAVE SOME SIMILARITY. SO I GUESS THE BIG QUESTION FOR THE BOARD IS WHERE DO WE WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT THE MATERIALS? BECAUSE WE ARE SO ANTI VINYL CONTRIBUTING OR NONCONTRIBUTING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO IS THAT THE BIGGEST ISSUE? IS IT THE CONFIGURATION OF THE WINDOWS AS AN ISSUE.

WHAT'S THERE NOW IS VINYL. NO. WHAT'S THERE NOW.

THIS IS VINYL. WHAT'S THERE NOW THEY'RE ALUMINUM.

ALUMINUM. WE'RE NOT VERY HAPPY WITH ALUMINUM BUT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT TIME PERIOD.

AND IT MAKES IT MAKES SENSE. AND THERE'S IF I MAY YOU CAN'T PUT ALUMINUM IN ANYWAY.

SO WE CAN'T MATCH THAT. YOU GOT TO GO WAY ABOVE.

THEY JUST THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY WISE CAN'T CAN'T FIND ALUMINUM.

THEY'RE OUT. OKAY. SO THE ONLY PLACE YOU CAN PUT ALUMINUM WINDOW IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS DOWN IN SOUTH FLORIDA BECAUSE IT'S IMPACT THEY'LL GO WITH, THEY'LL PUT IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT ENERGY EFFICIENCY. THEY CARE ABOUT THE STORMS. BUT FOR UP HERE IN JACKSONVILLE, NORTH CAN'T EVEN DO ALUMINUM.

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I DON'T THINK WE'D ASK TOM TO GO BACK. LET ME LET ME MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT ON THE LIST OF APPROVED WINDOWS.

ARE VINYL WINDOWS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

OKAY. BUT ALSO, IF YOU LOOK FROM A VISUAL POINT OF VIEW, WE'VE APPROVED, THERE ARE VINYL CLAD WINDOWS AND ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOWS. SO FROM THE VISUAL LOOK, DOES IT LOOK LIKE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FROM THE STREET? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED.

I MEAN, AND THEN IT WOULD TAKE A TRAINED PERSON, SOMEBODY THAT KNOWS WINDOWS, TO GO UP AND THUMP THEM AND KICK THEM TO SAY WHAT THAT WINDOW IS. AND YOU'VE ALREADY PROVED ON THE LIST IS VINYL CLAD WOOD AND ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD AND PVC WINDOWS.

SO I MEAN, THOSE SYNTHETIC MATERIALS THAT LOOK IDENTICAL FROM THE STREET HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

AND WE LOOKED AT THAT ALSO. THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE SAID, WELL, CAN WE DO VINYL WINDOWS? AND JUST TO JUST TO CLARIFY THAT POINT THAT YOU BRING UP, THAT'S A GOOD THAT'S A GOOD POINT THAT'S IN THERE.

BUT WHEN WE DO GO THROUGH AND ADJUST THE APPROVED LIST, THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE EXTENSIVE PRESENTATIONS OF PEOPLE.

AND WE WILL LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE MATERIALS, WE'LL LOOK AT THE CROSS CUTS, WE'LL LOOK AT THE WELLS, THE CORNERS, THE MITERS, HOW THEY'RE PUT TOGETHER. SO IT A WINDOW MIGHT BE LISTED AS A ALUMINUM CLAD, BUT THAT HAS LIKE A PROPRIETARY COMPOSITE COATING ON IT. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ALUMINUM. AND YOU KNOW, LIKE THESE STOREFRONT WINDOWS.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE THERE.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO DIFFERENT LINES OF WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE APPROVED.

THERE'S SOME LINES IN A CERTAIN WINDOW THAT WE WON'T APPROVE, BUT WE'LL APPROVE THE HIGHER ENDS OF THEM.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ESTHETICS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE.

BUT THE BLANKET THING THAT YOU WOULDN'T APPROVE OF VINYL WINDOW AND AND IF I WOULD, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS LONG ENOUGH.

THIS IS ALL I DO. WINDOWS AND DOORS. IF IT WAS AN HISTORIC HOME AND A CONTRIBUTOR, I WOULD BE TALKING TO THE CUSTOMER ABOUT ANDERSON WINDOWS AND THE 400 AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO, BUT WE'RE PAYING TWICE AS MUCH AND WE'RE AT A CHURCH AND, AND I'M JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S PRETTY DARN CLOSE. WE CAN PUT THE EXTERIOR BUTTONS AS THE GUYS WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK AND HE LOOKS OVER AND SEES HE DOESN'T GO, OH, THAT'S OUT OF PLACE. I MEAN, THERE'S AT LEAST SOMEWHAT OF A FLOW THERE.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO FLOW, AT LEAST ON THAT ONE BECAUSE IT'S THIN ALUMINUM EXTERIOR FLAT DOESN'T MATCH THE REST OF THE WHOLE PROPERTY THERE, BUT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO THAT TIME PERIOD WHEN IT WAS BUILT.

AND I'M NOT PROPOSING WE PUT BACK ALUMINUM. RIGHT.

WHAT? I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A THERE'S A BUDGET ISSUE HERE.

WHAT'S THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE WINDOW THAT'S BEING PROPOSED AS OPPOSED TO ONE OF THE WINDOWS ON OUR LIST? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A LIFETIME TRANSFERABLE.

LIFETIME, 100 YEARS, LITERALLY 100 YEARS IS THE WARRANTY THROUGH HOME DEPOT.

SO AND QUITE FRANKLY, IN THE YEARS TO COME, MAYBE 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THAT WINDOW IS GOING TO FALL.

BUT I MEAN, IT'S TWO PIECES OF GLASS SEALED. ARGON GAS IS IN THERE.

SEAL IS GOING TO WEAR OUT, GAS IS GOING TO LEAK OUT.

HOT DAY OR COLD DAY. MOISTURE IS MIXING. SOMEBODY'S CALLING HOME DEPOT TO SAY, YOU GOT TO REPLACE THAT.

SO WE WE DON'T GO FOR TACKY HOME DEPOT. SO THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE REASONS WE WENT WITH HOME DEPOT RATHER THAN ONE OF THE SMALLER VENDORS, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS A LIFETIME FIX.

RIGHT. I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT OUR ALTERNATIVE, IF WE HAD TO GO WITH ANDERSON, THEN WE'LL STAY WITH ALUMINUM WINJE, SINGLE PANE WINDOWS AND EAT THE ELECTRICAL BILL EVERY MONTH FOR THE NEXT 1520 YEARS.

STILL WOULDN'T ADD UP TO THE COST OF ANDERSON WINDOWS, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

PRETTY MUCH IT IT. AND I CAN SAY THIS WITHOUT ANY RESERVATION, AT LEAST DOUBLE TAMMI.

DO YOU EVER OPEN THOSE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE? THERE IS A AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE, SINCE IT'S A KIDS DAYCARE CENTER, THAT THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO OPEN THEM.

WILL THESE WINDOWS EVER BE OPENED IN MY LIFETIME? WHICH MAY BE SHORT BECAUSE. BUT NO, NO, I DOUBT IF THE WINDOWS WILL EVER BE OPENED.

THERE'S NO REASON TO OPEN THEM EXCEPT IN THAT ULTIMATE CASE.

IF THE KIDS GOT TO GET OUT OF A ROOM SO YOU COULDN'T PUT STORMS OVER THEM STORM WINDOWS.

THEY JUST HAVE TO BE. ASKED. THAT WOULD OBVIATE.

YEAH, THAT REALLY DOESN'T DO THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

AND IT DOES OBVIATE THE THAT ISSUE. SO THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS.

[02:00:05]

BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WERE TODAY, WE TRIED TO PRACTICALLY MEET THEM, YOU KNOW, SO. AND YOU WON'T SEE ME UP HERE AGAIN TRYING TO GET A, A HOUSE FROM 1906, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT WINDOW. YEAH. OKAY. GOOD MAN. SO DID WE UNDERSTAND THAT WON'T HAPPEN? I'M NOT GOING TO GET APPROVED. YEAH. SO WHAT ARE WE SAYING? IS THERE ANOTHER CASE OF A VINYL WINDOW IN A NONCONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE THAT ANYONE CAN RECOLLECT? I THINK THAT WOULD MOVE ME IN THE YES DIRECTION.

WHAT ARE THE WINDOWS AT THE ANCHOR? I DON'T KNOW.

NO, NO, THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THOSE ARE ALUMINUM.

YEAH. THEY WENT BACK WITH STOREFRONT. WHERE ELSE ON CENTER OR THE SIDE STREETS DO WE HAVE NONCONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS? I THINK THE QUESTION IS WHERE DO WE HAVE VINYL WINDOWS? WELL, OKAY. YEAH. EITHER WAY. DO WE KNOW OF ANY.

I, I HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT TELLING FOLKS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A STANDARD FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. I HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT TELLING THEM THEY CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT STANDARD.

RIGHT. I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SAY OR WOULD SAY.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE HAVE A WINDOW LIST. WE HAVE A WINDOW LIST.

YES. FOR THESE KINDS OF WINDOWS, DO WE HAVE A STANDARD WHERE YOU'RE REPLACING AN ALUMINUM WINDOW? IN A CHURCH? IN A NONCONTRIBUTING BUILDING. DO WE HAVE A STANDARD.

OR A NON CHURCH? JUST AN ALUMINUM WINDOW IN ANY BUILDING DOWNTOWN.

I MEAN IF WE DON'T HAVE A STANDARD, THEN I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE CAN REJECT THIS.

IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT ANY ONE OF THOSE STANDARDS SHOULD MEET THEIR NEEDS.

FOX NEWS ALERT. ABC NEWS. BUT ARE THERE VINYL ROWS ANYWHERE DOWNTOWN? I CAN'T THINK OF. I MEAN, THERE MAY BE SOMEWHERE.

I JUST CAN'T THINK OF ANY LOCATION WHERE THERE'S VINYL WINDOWS.

ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT ARE WE SAYING SOMEBODY. SOMEBODY'S GOT TO TAKE A STAND UP HERE.

ONE MORE QUICK POINT. YES, SIR. ON THE FORM OF WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE WINDOWS IS THE NOTATION.

NEW PRODUCTS NOT ON THE LIST WILL BE REVIEWED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

AND THAT WAS PART OF I MEAN WE LOOKED AT WE'VE LIKE I SAID, WE WENT CAME DOWN HERE, TALKED TO FOLKS, GOT A READ ON WHERE WE COULD GO. AND THAT'S I'M WITH YOU.

SO SO IS THE QUESTION. WE'RE DENYING A NEW THE NEW PRODUCT RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. YEAH. I MEAN, CASE BY CASE I WOULDN'T ACCEPT THE VINYL WINDOW.

OKAY. SO SO IT'S IT'S A IT'S A AT THIS TIME THAT WINDOW IS NOT.

BEING APPROVED. I'M NOT ASKING, BUT ON THE LIST.

YEAH. YEAH. NOT APPROVAL. BUT BUT THE GENTLEMAN WAS JUST READING ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

A WINDOW CAN OR CANNOT BE APPROVED. IT IS NOT BEING APPROVED.

I'M JUST TRYING TO MOVE THIS TO TO THE SET TO MAKE A MOTION.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN ASKING NOW FOR THE PAST 15 MINUTES.

AND I NEED AN ANSWER. YEAH. OH, IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO GIVE THE APPLICANT CORRECT INFORMATION WHEN WE DON'T HAVE EXISTING STANDARDS.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON WHAT I NEED TO ASK THE APPLICANT FOR MOVING FORWARD.

IF A WINDOW THAT'S NOT ON THE APPROVED LIST, IF THAT SHOULD EVEN COME TO THE BOARD OR IF I NEED TO JUST TELL THEM NO OUTRIGHT.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF IT WAS NOT ON THE APPROVED LIST, I COULD BRING IT TO THE BOARD. YES, AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, AND I THINK THAT'S A ROLL OF THE DICE THAT THE APPLICANT CAN CHOOSE TO MAKE.

THEY CAN EITHER SAY, OKAY, I'LL USE SOMETHING THAT'S ON IT, OR I'D LIKE TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD AND WE'LL BRING SAMPLES IN.

AND WE'VE HAD TIMES, I THINK, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO ELSE HAS BEEN ON THIS BOARD WHERE WE'VE HAD THAT.

IT WAS A IT USED TO HAPPEN RIGHT LIKE THIS DURING A CASE.

AND SO IT WOULD EXTRAPOLATE AND TAKE FOREVER AND WE DENY IT AND THEN WE CHANGE IT AND SAID, NO, IF YOU WANT TO. IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THIS, THEN WE'LL HAVE PRESENTATIONS SEPARATELY.

SO I THINK YOU DID THE RIGHT THING. YOU SAID IT HAS TO GO TO THE BOARD, YOU CAN APPROVE IT.

AND THEN IT'S KIND OF A ROLL OF THE DICE OF WHAT YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO SAY AND I DIDN'T I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I JUST KNOW WHAT I FEEL AND WE GO FROM THERE.

[02:05:04]

THEY'RE NOT FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS. NO. OKAY.

THEY'RE COMPOSITE WINDOWS. THEY'RE NOT ALL WINDOWS.

CAN I ASK THAT QUESTION OF. SO IF I WAS BUILDING SOMETHING BRAND NEW ON OUR CAMPUS, I CAN USE VINYL.

YES, SIR. OKAY. WHAT I MEAN, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC OF THAT, THAT THAT CAME BEFORE ME.

THOSE WERE THE RULES I CAME IN WITH. IT'S JUST THE PELLA, THE PAELLA.

ALL VINYL OR PLASTIC, BUT IT'S STILL A VINYL WINDOW.

IF YOU GET INTO A DEBATE, WHICH IS A BETTER QUALITY THAN I WOULD HAVE SAID NO.

OKAY, LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION. YOU HAD A SEVERAL QUESTIONS ON THE QUALITY.

WE HAVE THE EXAMPLE RIGHT HERE. IF YOU WANT TO LOOK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO THUMP IT, YOU KNOW, AND LOOK AT THE WELDS IN THE CORNERS, ETC.. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS CAN TELL FROM THIS PICTURE.

DO THOSE LOOK LIKE VINYL WINDOWS? IT'S REALLY HARD TO TELL FROM THE STREET.

JUST KIND OF LAYMAN. I THINK THAT THAT'S ALUMINUM STOREFRONT.

OKAY. YEAH, FOR THE MOST PART. OKAY. I'M JUST GOING THROUGH.

SO YOU'RE ENTERTAINING A MOTION, RIGHT, MADAM CHAIR? THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING.

ENTERTAINING A MOTION FOR ACCEPTING OR DENYING.

AND IF WE ARE DENYING, WHAT ARE WE RECOMMENDING? USING SOMETHING ON THE LEFT. YEAH. OR YOU CAN PRESENT ANOTHER.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SURE. OKAY. I MOVE TO DENY CASE HTC 2026-0007 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

THAT THEY MAY BRING ANOTHER NEW WINDOW TO PRESENT OR USE AN EXISTING WINDOW ON THE APPROVED WINDOW LIST.

AND I MOVE TO MAKE THAT THE HTC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW.

PART OF THE RECORD THAT HTC CASE HTC 2026-0007 AS PRESENTED, IS NOT NOT SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN FERNANDINA BEACH DESIGN GUIDELINES TO GRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. CAN I SPEAK TO THE ATTORNEY A SECOND? AND I CAN'T GIVE YOU LEGAL ADVICE. NO, NO, HE ASKED ME FOR IT.

I'M JUST SAYING. WELL, ACTUALLY, FOR A SECOND HERE, MADAM CHAIR, DO YOU WANT AN APPLICANT TO APPROACH ME AND ASK A QUESTION? I THINK YOU CAN JUST WAIT UNTIL THE END. THERE'S THEY'VE MADE A MOTION.

THEY HAVE A SECOND. THEY'RE ENTERTAINING SOMETHING ON THE FLOOR, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO VOTE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO HEAR THIS AFTER THE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. WELL OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. MR. SCHALLER THE MOTION IS TO DENY.

DENY BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT IS A ALL VINYL, NOT A VINYL CLAD WOOD, RIGHT? NOT ON THE LIST AND NOT ON THE LIST. OKAY. SO THEN THE ANSWER IS THEN I AGREE WITH I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO.

SO A YES IS AN AGREE A YES. A YES IS TO DENY DENY.

OKAY. SO YES NO IS TO APPROVE. OKAY. YES. OKAY.

YES OR MEMBERS KOSACK. SORRY SORRY.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE LIST AND YEAH I AGREE.

MEMBERS. YES. MEMBER. BURNS MEMBER. SALAH YES AND CHAIR FILKOFF.

NO. OKAY, CAN I ASK A QUESTION THEN IF WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE, IT'S NOT GETTING DENIED BECAUSE IT'S SINGLE HUNG.

HOW ABOUT AN ANDERSON 101 DAY? THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 100 AND 200 IS ONE IS DOUBLE ONE DOUBLE HUNG, ONE SINGLE, YOU WERE WILLING TO IMPROVE THAT OTHER THAN IT WAS VINYL? IT'S THE VINYL, RIGHT? WELL, THE ADDITIONAL 100 IS THE FIBER.

SO IT'S YOU ALL HAVE APPROVED THAT. THAT'S VINYL CLAD WINDOW.

IT'S GOT THE WOOD. IT'S ON THE LIST. IT'S ON THE LIST.

IT'S NOT ON THE LIST BECAUSE IT'S SINGLE HUNG AND THE BOARD IN THE PAST, I WAS THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE BEEN REJECTED BY THIS BOARD WHEN I'VE DONE EVERYTHING I COULD TO TRY TO MAKE IT WORK. BUT AND I KNOW I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT ALSO DIDN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE WHEN YOU SAY,

[02:10:04]

SO WHY IS THE 100 NOT APPROVED? THE 400 IS APPROVED EXACT SAME EXTERIOR ZYPREX.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY A CASE TO BRING IN AND AND PRESENT THE 100 SIDE BY SIDE WITH THE 400.

SEE WHY THAT SHOULD BE ON THERE? BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN YOU COULD YOU COULD HAVE A WIN WIN RIGHT THERE.

WE'RE WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS TWO MONTHS. WE HAVE A SPECIAL THAT ENDS IN A WEEK THAT SAVES $150 A WINDOW.

DO 150 TIMES 22. IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.

I CAN'T DRAG IT OUT. HOME DEPOT IS A MAJOR CORPORATE.

IF AGAIN, YOU CAN DO CASE BY CASE, I'M NOT ASKING FOR IT TO BE PERMANENTLY PUT ON THE LIST.

THIS IS ONE TIME. ONE TIME DEAL ONLY. WE'LL FIGHT MORE OFF LATER FOR THE 100.

IF I HAVE, YOU KNOW, A HOMEOWNER, YOU KNOW, IN A IN A CONTRIBUTING, THEN WE'LL LOOK AT IT OR NON CONTRIBUTING.

BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S A CHURCH BUILT IN 1960.

NO ONE HAS EVER CALLED. MAYBE IT'S 50 PLUS YEARS OLD.

NO ONE'S EVER CALLED A HOUSE BUILT IN 1960. HISTORIC.

IT'S JUST NOT. I WAS BORN IN 1959. NOT A STORY.

BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE JUST NEED A LITTLE BREAK.

SO IF YOU WON'T DO THE VINYL WINDOW BECAUSE IT'S PURE VINYL AND YOU, YOU JUST CAN'T HAVE IT.

BUT YOU DIDN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SINGLE HUNG THEN.

NOW I'M GIVING YOU THE MATERIAL THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.

AND NOW WE'VE GOT ANOTHER OBJECTION. I DON'T GET IT.

OKAY. HOLD ON. PLEASE. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY CARE TO RESPOND TO THAT? IS IS A SINGLE HUNG WINDOW VINYL CLAD ON OUR LIST.

IS IT ACCEPTABLE? YOU SAID THE 100 IS ON THE LIST.

NO, 204 HUNDRED. 200. AND THE DIFFERENCE IS SINGLE VERSUS DOUBLE HUNG.

EXACTLY. AND IS THERE A RULING BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL OF SINGLE VERSUS.

NO. DOES IT MATTER? NO. BUILDING CODE DOESN'T.

YEAH. BUILDING CODE DOESN'T CARE. YEAH. I DON'T THINK SO.

ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS MEET FLORIDA CODE. RIGHT.

RIGHT. TO TO YOUR QUESTION IS, WHEN THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT YOUR SAMPLE, THEY SAID, IS THAT SINGLE OR DOUBLE? YOUR ANSWER WAS SINGLE AND NO ONE HAD AN ISSUE.

RIGHT. BECAUSE THE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE SINGLE.

OH, OKAY. BUT THE WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO BUY IS SINGLE.

OKAY. I REMEMBER HEARING THAT. OKAY. ONE AT A TIME.

SO SO MY QUESTION TO THE BOARD IS, IS AGAIN FROM FROM MY NON HISTORICAL BACKGROUND IS WHAT WHAT IS THE RESTRICTION OF DOUBLE DOUBLE HUNG VERSUS SINGLE HUNG IN THAT BUILDING.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A RESTRICTION IN THAT. AND JUST TO SPEAK TO THE DIFFERENT LEVELS, LIKE IN THE ANDERSON LINE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM SIDE BY SIDE BECAUSE FROM MY EXPERIENCE, THE 100 IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN ADDITION TO JUST BEING A SINGLE HUNDRED.

SO IT HAS THE DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION FEATURES ON IT THAT AREN'T AS CRISP.

OKAY. SO WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE 100.

WE KNOW WE'VE SEEN IT AND WE DIDN'T APPROVE IT. OH, OKAY.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO USE THAT AND MAKE THAT CASE, YOU KNOW, SIDE BY SIDE.

SO SO WHAT CAN WE DO FOR THIS APPLICANT TO EASE THE PAIN OF THIS REJECTION? THE NEXT MEETING IS THAT AGENDA ALREADY FULL? NO. IS THERE THE POSSIBILITY OF US REVIEWING ANY WINDOWS AT THAT MEETING.

THE NEXT MEETING FOR THIS BOARD, COULD SAMPLES BE DROPPED OFF THAT WE INDIVIDUALLY THAT SAMPLES BE DROPPED OFF HERE, WHERE WE COULD COME IN AND NOT JUST COME IN AND SEE THE SAMPLES? SO WE'RE PREPARED, RIGHT. WELL, MADAM CHAIR, AND I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO BE ACCOMMODATING, BUT WE WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL WITH, YOU KNOW, DOING SOMETHING FOR ONE PERSON.

AND THEN WHAT IF ANOTHER APPLICANT NEEDS THE SAME.

I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO BE ACCOMMODATING. I UNDERSTAND, MR. PRINCE, AND I AM NOT TRYING TO SET A PRECEDENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THESE FOLKS HAVE TALKED WITH STAFF.

[02:15:06]

SAME WITH THE PRIOR APPLICANT. AND THEN WE HAVE ISSUES.

SO I, I JUST SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND ENSURE THAT STAFF UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THOSE PARTICULAR THINGS BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF TRYING TO HELP THE APPLICANT OUT.

AND I DON'T FEEL THAT WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF TRYING TO HURT ANYBODY.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF IS TRYING TO PROTECT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THIS HAPPENS TO BE SITTING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO A HISTORIC CHURCH BUILDING.

SO WHILE I DID NOT SUPPORT THE VOTE, I UNDERSTAND THE VOTE.

I. BELIEVE THAT IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE IT IS A CHURCH, IT'S A NONPROFIT.

THEY'RE TRYING. THEY'VE GOT A TIGHT BUDGET ON THIS.

I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO GIVE GUIDANCE TO BOTH STAFF AND TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT WHAT THEY SHOULD.

WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU ALL FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF THERE WAS SOME OTHER PRESIDENT.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A PRESIDENT.

I MEAN, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE FOR A PRESIDENT RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH. SO THEY'RE ESTABLISHING. THEY'RE THE FIRST. SO THE GUIDANCE WAS PICK SOMETHING OFF OF THE APPROVED LIST.

OR WHAT WAS THE OTHER OPTION THAT MISS KOSACK GAVE SOMETHING OFF THE APPROVED LIST.

THE 100 FOR THE 100. BRANDON. THANK YOU. I PULLED UP THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 100 AND THE 200 SERIES. BASED ON LOOKING AT IT FOR 30S, I DON'T SEE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.

BESIDES, THIS IS A LITTLE THICKER IN THE MIDDLE AND ON THE SIDES.

IT'S NOT THE. WELL, NO, THEY WERE RIGHT THERE.

CAN I MAKE CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? YES, SIR. I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH CODES.

I WORKED IN THE NUCLEAR BUSINESS MY ENTIRE LIFE.

I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH CODES AND STANDARDS SINCE I, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST 45 YEARS.

I WENT THROUGH ALL THE CODES AND STANDARDS THAT EXIST FOR THIS.

I LOOKED AT OUR BUILDING CODES, THE FLORIDA WINDOW CODES, AND EVERYTHING I COULD FIND WRITTEN FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ON WHAT WAS ACCEPTABLE AND NOT ACCEPTABLE. AND THEN WE PUT THIS TOGETHER AND I FOUND NOTHING THAT SAYS THERE'S A BLANKET.

NO. IF YOU COME TO US WITH A VINYL WINDOW, YOU CAN'T GO FROM THE STREET.

IF YOU LOOK AT IT, A VINYL CLAD WINDOW AND A VINYL WINDOW LOOKED THE SAME.

AND IF THEY MEET THE BUILDING CODE FOR LONGEVITY AND STRUCTURAL STRENGTH AND WIND LOADS AND ALL OF THAT, THEY'RE TECHNICALLY EQUAL. AND IF YOU CAN'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE FROM THE STREET AND THEY'RE TECHNICALLY EQUAL OR SUPERIOR TO WHAT'S ON THE LIST AND IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY THESE ARE THE ONLY ONES YOU CAN USE.

YOU CAN'T EVEN CONSIDER ANYTHING ELSE. IT SAYS CASE BY CASE.

NOW, WHAT I'M HEARING IS CASE BY CASE, THERE'S ALREADY PRECONCEIVED THINGS THAT CERTAIN CASES WON'T BE APPROVED, PERIOD. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. OKAY, SO IF THIS SAID CASE BY CASE WITH THESE CAVEATS, DON'T BRING US THIS, THIS, THIS AND THIS. FINE. YOU LOOK AT THAT, YOU GO SPEC A WINDOW THAT MEETS EVERYTHING ELSE AND YOU GO FOR IT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THAT. YOU KNOW, YOU TRY TO DO EVERYTHING RIGHT.

YOU READ EVERYTHING YOU GOT WRITTEN DOWN. YOU LOOK AT THE FORM, YOU PAY THE MONEY AND THEN YOU SAY, WELL, NO, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE EVEN COME IN HERE WITH THAT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I NEED SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME SO I CAN GO BACK TO OUR CHURCH BOARD AND EXPLAIN IT TO THEM.

OKAY. THAT'S AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO NEED OUT OF THIS.

OKAY. NOW, WHAT IS THIS WE'RE LOOKING AT? THIS IS AN ANDERSON 100 WINDOW.

THIS IS NOW THIS ONE HAPPENS TO BE BRONZE, BUT IT'S JUST A SAMPLE.

BUT THIS IS THE EXTERIOR OF AN ANDERSON 100 WINDOW.

SO THAT'S A FIBREX MATERIAL THAT WOOD VINYL COMPOSITE.

I'D SAY THAT'S FAR SUPERIOR THAN THE SHINY WHITE PLASTIC VINYL.

YEAH. YES, I UNDERSTAND THE PGD QUITE FRANKLY, IS A STRONGER WINDOW, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY THEY WERE LOOKING AT IT BECAUSE IT'S METAL REINFORCED. IT'S A 130. IT'S A BETTER WINDOW, BUT IT'S TECHNICALLY A BETTER SOCIETY.

THIS MIGHT BE A I THOUGHT FROM THE BEGINNING, THIS MIGHT BE A BIT NOW, AND I WILL TELL YOU,

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THOSE ARE ALL MY TERRITORIES. SO TAMMI THERE WHEN YOU SAID BETTER THAN THE SHINY WHITE.

ARE YOU EXPECTING THEM TO USE THAT BRONZE COLOR? NO NO NO NO NO. SO WHAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE WHEN WE STUDY THE WINDOWS, BECAUSE IT'S, WE DON'T GET INTO THE FLORIDA APPROVAL CODES FOR WINDOWS OR ANYTHING. THAT'S THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. WE ARE LOOKING AT IT LIKE AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. THE, THE CRISPNESS THAT THE THE PROFILE, THE SHARPNESS OF IT.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE AN EXTRUDED PIECE OF ALUMINUM.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WELD MARKS.

AND SO THAT JUST GIVES THE APPEARANCE THAT COULD ALMOST FROM A DISTANCE, LOOK LIKE A WOODEN WINDOW WHEN YOU'RE RIDING BY.

NO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. ABSOLUTELY. THE FINISH EVERYTHING. THERE'S A LOT OF SUPERIORITY IN ESTHETICS IN THAT WINDOW.

WELL, THAT'S WHY THIS WINDOW IS APPROVED BY ALL THE OTHER HISTORIC SOCIETIES.

AND THE PTT WINDOW IS NOT. I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE MOVING TOWARDS THAT TONIGHT.

WELL, JUST FROM SOMEONE ASKED ABOUT THE MATERIALS, SO I ACTUALLY RAN A CHAT.

WHAT'S THE COMPARISON? SO THAT IS 100% COMPOSITE WHICH CLAIMS TO BE STRONGER THAN VINYL.

AND THE 200 IS I GUESS SOME WOOD WITH VINYL ON THE OUTSIDE.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT COULD BE A FIBREX, WHICH IS REALLY ON THE OUTSIDE.

FIBREX IS THE WOOD VINYL. IT'S THAT MIX. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

YEAH. AND THEY DO SOME SORT OF I MEAN, I THINK THAT A SERIES IS WOOD WITH PVC MIX, RIGHT? SO THAT'S STRONGER. BUT JUST SO EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.

FIBREX IS STRONGER THAN VINYL. NEITHER OF THOSE ARE NEAR AS STRONG AS METAL REINFORCED WOOD.

METAL. BUT I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE LOOK WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

ALL RIGHT, BEFORE WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME GOING DOWN A RAT HOLE.

IF THE AGREEMENT TONIGHT IS TO APPROVE THIS WINDOW VERSUS THE OTHER WINDOW, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO YOU? THERE'S A STRONG CHANCE WE'LL GO WITH THAT WINDOW IF I CAN GET THE FINANCING TO DO IT.

IF WE CAN'T, WE'LL JUST STAY WITH WHAT WE GOT.

AND THIS IS A LOT MORE AFFORDABLE THAN THE 400 STUFF.

YEAH, THAT'S LIKE THE 400 IS 400. MAKES NO SENSE, BUT NOT MUCH MORE.

YEAH. THE 400 WE WOULD NOT GO WITH PERIOD. WE'D STAY WITH WHAT WE GOT THIS WE CAN CONSIDER.

YEAH. SO THAT LOOKS GREAT. AND WE WOULD BE IF WE WERE TO AGREE TO THIS WINDOW, WE WOULD BE DOING THAT ON THIS CASE ALONE. CORRECT. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE NEXT MEETING.

I MEAN YOU DON'T YOU'VE ALREADY VOTED ON THE APPLICATION THAT WAS IN FRONT OF YOU.

WELL, WE VOTED ON A PARTICULAR WINDOW AND NOW WE HAVE A DIFFERENT WINDOW IN FRONT OF US.

CAN WE VOTE ON THAT WINDOW INSTEAD. I CAN GO BACK TO WHAT THE POSTING SAID BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SPECIFY PGT. IT JUST SAID REPLACED ORIGINAL WINDOWS.

IS THAT WHAT THE POSTING SAID? YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

THEN. AND THEN CAN STAFF. YOU'D HAVE TO REOPEN THE HEARING BECAUSE WE.

WELL. SO YOU DENIED THAT CASE.

YOU GUYS ARE CHALLENGING EVERY SINGLE. CAN WE AMEND THE.

WELL, THAT, YOU KNOW, TECHNICALLY YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT TILL THE NEXT MEETING. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.

SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS CAN YOU NOW HAVE A MOTION THAT YOU WILL FIND THIS WINDOW ACCEPTABLE AND STAFF.

IS IT YOUR. RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS WOULD BE WOULD MEET THE CRITERIA.

YES. IT WOULD BE CLEANER TO GO TO THE NEXT MEETING, QUITE FRANKLY, AND JUST HAVE THE APPLICATION COME IN WITH THAT ONE, AND THEN YOU VOTE ON IT AT THE NEXT MEETING. THAT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE CLEANER, IT WOULD BE CLEANER.

BUT WOULD IT BE ILLEGAL? YES. NO, IT WOULD BE A WHOLE NEW VOTE.

IT'S A WHOLE NEW VOTE. AND AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH IT BECAUSE IF A MOTION FAILED FOR LACK OF A SECOND, THEN YOU WOULD MAKE A NEW MOTION, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU COULD DO A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SO SO WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO MARGARET BECAUSE SHE'S GOT A PIECE OF WISDOM HERE FOR US.

I'M JUST GOING TO SUGGEST THAT YOU'RE YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY DENIED IT IN THAT CASE. NOW IS KIND OF BUT THEY COULD VOTE TO DIRECT STAFF TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE TO APPROVE IT RIGHT THROUGH STAFF APPROVAL.

OKAY. AND THEN WOULD THEY GET THEIR REFUND FOR COMING TO THE BOARD IF IT BECAME A STAFF APPROVAL?

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JUST A WORD. OUR PROBLEM. THIS IS A DAYCARE FACILITY.

WE'VE GOT A BREAK IN THE WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER THAT WE CAN DO THIS.

IF NOT, WE DON'T DO THIS PROBABLY FOR ANOTHER YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A TIME TO SHUT DOWN THE FACILITY AND GET ALL THE KIDS OUT OF IT TO DO IT.

AND THAT'S SO THERE ARE EXTENUATING. I MEAN, THE CASE IS ON THE AGENDA.

I MEAN, THE CASE HAS BEEN POSTED. THE CASE HAS BEEN NOTICED.

YOU'VE RENDERED A DECISION. EVERYBODY WHO CARED ABOUT IT WAS HERE.

EVERYBODY CARED ABOUT IT. IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE BRAND ON THE YOU KNOW.

IT JUST SAYS REPLACE WITH NEW WINDOWS. SO IF YOU WANT TO HAVE AND I, I, I'M JUST THINKING, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS NEVER OPEN FOR THIS CASE.

OKAY. SO DOES THAT MAKE IT VOID? NO. NO. I MEAN, IT WAS NEVER OPEN.

IT WAS NEVER CLOSED. NO PUBLIC HEARING. RIGHT.

IT WAS AN OPEN DOOR CLOSED. BUT NO, THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT VOID BECAUSE WE SWORE EVERYBODY YOU GAVE YOUR STAFF REPORT.

BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JUST JUST GO FOR IT AND APPROVE IT.

OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR IT. DO I HEAR YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION? YOU'VE DENIED THE ONE REQUEST. THEY'VE ASKED TO AMEND THEIR MATERIAL TO BE A DIFFERENT WINDOW, WHICH IS STATED FOR THE RECORD, AS WHAT IS THE DIFFERENT WINDOW? OKAY, I GOT IT, I GOT IT. ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING.

I MOVE TO APPROVE. OKAY. AMENDED CASE NUMBER HGC 2026 007 OR CASE NUMBER WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT THE WINDOWS TO THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS WILL BE THE ANDERSEN 100 SERIES WINDOWS. I MOVE THAT THE HGC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD.

THAT CASE 2026 0007 AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FERNANDINA BEACH DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

AND ARE THERE ANY CONDITIONS? SINCE WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICATION, DOES IT NEED TO BE WHITE? DOES IT NEED TO BE MATTED? DOES IT NEED TO HAVE THE YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE VISUALS. WHAT DO YOU WANT? OKAY, SO WITH THE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THE SIX OVER SIX.

RIGHT. EXTERIOR. EXTERIOR. RAISED MOUNTAINS. OKAY.

OKAY. THAT. WE CAN DO THAT. SO THAT'S ALL THE STIPULATION.

APPROVAL. ANY SECOND. SECOND. OH, I HAVE A MOTION.

AND A SECOND. COULD YOU CALL THE VOTE, PLEASE? MEMBER. SCHALLER. YES. MEMBER KOSACK. YES. MEMBER SZARKOWSKI.

YES. MEMBER. BURNS. YES. MEMBER. SALEH. YES. AND CHAIR FILKOFF.

YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

WE DO APPRECIATE WE GOT TO SOMETHING WE CAN LIVE WITH.

SO I'M A RETIRED MARINE. I GET, I GET I GET I GET A REGRET.

SO IT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR JOB IS TO PROTECT THE HISTORIC HISTORY.

AND WE TRY VERY HARD TO DO THAT. BUT WE ALSO NEED TO TRY TO HELP PEOPLE FIGURE OUT HOW TO.

WHAT CAN WE DO? YEAH. HOW TO MAKE IT WORK JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE PRIOR APPLICANT.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT HERE. IF YOU IF IF SOMETHING WERE TO COME IN THAT WE COULDN'T MAKE IT WORK, THEN WE JUST CAN'T. BUT THAT'S RARE. SO I APPRECIATE NEW WINDOWS FOR THOSE BABIES.

I THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. VERY ENTERTAINING TODAY.

I'LL GO HOME AND WRITE THE NEXT CHAPTER OF MY BOOK.

YEAH, BUT YOU CAN'T SELL THAT IN PUBLIC. IT'D BE R RATED.

I ALSO SAY I HAVE SUCH A PERSONAL ATTRACTION TO THIS CHURCH BECAUSE I FIRST STARTED GOING THERE IN 1946.

OH, WOW. IT'S A GREAT DAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

CHURCHES. I GO TO CHURCH. 1122. I THINK Y'ALL HAVE ONE UP HERE NOW.

JUST SO YOU KNOW. OKAY. OH, ALRIGHT. WE'RE ON TO THE NEXT CASE.

[5.4 HDC 2026-0009 - DONALD SKIPPER, AGENT FOR FOR JUDITH TORTORA, 811 WHITE STREET CONCEPTUAL Certificate of Approval (COA) for the construction of a new 2-story single family residence and a 2-story detached accessory structure. (Quasi-Judicial)]

2026 0009. IT'S FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND A ADU GARAGE.

[02:30:06]

SO I EVALUATED THESE PLANS WITH THE OLD TOWN PRESERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES, RATHER THAN THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH GOVERN THE OTHER CASES WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT.

AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S ON THE CORNER HERE. SOME MORE INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IN OLD TOWN.

THIS IS THE FRONT AND THE REAR ELEVATIONS. I FIND IT COMPLIANT WITH THE OLD TOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF ELEVATIONS AND MATERIAL.

AND THESE ARE THE LEFT ELEVATIONS. THE LEFT ELEVATION AND THE RIGHT ELEVATION IS COMING UP HERE.

I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A BOARD MEMBER ABOUT THE FOUNDATION AND THE FACT THAT IN OLD TOWN.

A LOT OF THE HOUSES ARE CONSTRUCTED ON EITHER PIERS OR SIMULATED PIERS.

AFTER LOOKING INTO MORE OF THE GUIDELINES, THE FOUNDATION ELEMENT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION SAYS MOST HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN OLD TOWN AND THROUGHOUT FLORIDA REST ON RAISED MASONRY FOUNDATIONS, EITHER CONTINUOUS FOUNDATION OR WALLS OR PIERS, SO THE CONTINUOUS FOUNDATION WALL IS PERMISSIBLE IN OLD TOWN.

AND THE ADVICE TO AVOID FOR FOUNDATIONS ARE DESIGNING BUILDINGS WITH SLAB ON GRADE FOUNDATION OR WITH VINYL OR LATTICE PURE INFILL ENCLOSING A PIER FOUNDATION WITH CONTINUOUS INFILL THAT PREVENTS VENTILATION, DESTROYS OPENINGS OF THE FEATURE SO THAT CONTINUOUS FOUNDATION WALL IS PERMISSIBLE.

AND IN TERMS OF OTHER SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR OLD TOWN, IT MEETS THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SIDE YARD AND THE FRONT YARD.

VISIBILITY CORRIDORS OF FIVE FEET ON FRONT, ALONG WHITE STREET AND ALONG AMELIA STREET AND THEN ON THE WEST LOT LINE AND ON THE REAR LOT LINE, THEY'RE MEETING THOSE FIVE FOOT CLEARANCES. THERE IS ALLOWANCE FOR STEPS TO ENCROACH STEPS AND DECKS TO ENCROACH UP TO 24IN INTO THOSE VIEW CORRIDORS. SO WE SEE THAT IN THE FRONT AND ON THE NORTHWESTERN CORNER.

LOT OF TOWN DOES NOT INCLUDE UNCONDITIONED SPACES, SO THE PORCHES AND DECKS WERE EXCLUDED FROM THE LOT COVERAGE CALCULATION.

AND IT'S SITTING RIGHT AT THAT 45% LIMIT. AND WE SEE THE GARAGE TO THE NORTH AND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE FACING ON WHITE STREET, WHERE THE ADDRESS IS SOMETHING THAT I DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT.

AND I WILL REMIND THE BOARD THAT THIS IS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

SO I DO RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION.

HOWEVER, MORE CONSIDERATION AND DESIGN NEEDS TO BE GIVEN TO THE MID LOT VISIBILITY CORRIDOR, SINCE THIS DOES LIE ON TWO MEDIA PIONEERS AT THE CORNER OF AMELIA STREET AND WHITE STREET.

SO ON THE RIGHT CORNER, I'VE PUT A BOX AROUND AN EXAMPLE OF MEDIA PIONEERS IN OLD TOWN, AND THERE ARE TWO KIND OF HALF LOTS.

AND EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE BOTH OWNED BY THE SAME OWNER THE DESIGN DOES HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE MID LOT VISIBILITY CORRIDOR GUIDELINES MAKING THAT LOT DIVISION VISIBLE ALONG THE EAST AND WEST ORIENTATION. AND THE, THE MAIN POINT HERE IS HIGHLIGHTED ON THE BOTTOM ON THE LEFT.

PRINCIPAL AND OUTBUILDINGS MAY NOT CROSS LOT LINES WITHOUT THE USE OF AN OPEN SPACE OR CONNECTING ELEMENT THAT MAINTAINS THE DIMENSION OF THE MID LOT CORRIDORS.

SO IN THAT MIDDLE IMAGE, I HAVE THE PIONEER LINE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN FIVE FEET TO THE NORTH AND FIVE FEET TO THE SOUTH.

THAT DENOTES THAT MID LOT LINE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING DOES CROSS ON THE RIGHT AND LEFT ELEVATIONS.

THERE IS A GABLE FEATURE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT LINE KIND OF RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE.

THAT'S THE MEDIA PIONEER LINE. AND THE APPLICANT DID ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THIS LINE THROUGH THAT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE.

BUT OTHER THAN THE MEDIA PAEONIA LINE, AND THERE WAS A NOTE I HAD ABOUT MAKING SURE THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS SCREENED.

IT'S ON THAT FRONT RIGHT CORNER. I DIDN'T SEE A PLAN FOR SCREENING THAT, NOR DID I SEE THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON THE PLAN.

BUT THAT WILL NEED TO BE SCREENED IN ORDER FOR THE PLAN TO BE APPROVED AT FINAL.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS SADLER? MAYOR. WHAT? ISN'T THERE AN ON CORNER LOTS.

AN ADDITIONAL TRIANGULATION OF OF A VIEW CORRIDOR WHERE, YOU KNOW WE'VE WE'VE HAD CASES IN THE BACK WHERE WE HAD TO HAVE A FRONT PORCH POST MOVED. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I KNOW THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I DID NOT LOOK INTO THAT. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE SIDE LOT AND THE FRONT YARD VISIBILITY CORRIDORS.

IT DOES LOOK LIKE THEY STEP IN THE HOUSE A BIT ON THAT CORNER.

SO MAYBE THAT'S THE ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS IT. I DID NOT EVALUATE THAT IN PART OF MY STAFF REPORT.

I REMEMBER IN THE PAST THAT THAT WAS FROM A SAFETY POINT FOR STOP SIGNS, RIGHT? YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT. YEAH. WE SHOULD JUST MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS AND MAKE SURE IT HITS THAT.

I WANT TO SAY IT'S LIKE 15FT, 15FT, BUT I THAT'S OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

[02:35:03]

WE'VE RAN INTO THAT ISSUE RECENTLY WHEN I SUBMITTED TO PUT UP A FENCE THAT THAT'S WHAT I HAD TO DO.

I HAD TO I HAD TO BE BACK SO MANY FEET FROM THE STOP SIGN AND CREATE.

IT WAS A 45 DEGREE ANGLE. I AT THE TIME, THAT'S WHAT I WAS REQUIRED TO DO.

AND MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE CITY. I HAVE NOT FOUND SOMETHING THAT'S IN WRITING THAT PRESCRIBES THAT.

CAN I PUT MY FENCE IN THE WRONG PLACE? DON'T GO THERE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MISS SADLER? IS THE APPLICANT HERE, PLEASE? YES, MA'AM. ARE YOU MR. SKIPPER? I AM DONALD SKIPPER WITH SKIPPER CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

I RESIDE AT 855 CASHION DRIVE, FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA.

I LIKE YOUR NAME. THANK YOU MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SO? SO, DONALD. I DO HAVE ONE. YES. IT'S A IT'S A LOT OF HOUSE, BUT IT'S WITHIN THE RULES.

AND I KNOW THE CALCULATION. IF WE COUNT ALL THE ROOFS, WHICH IS MY BIGGEST WORRY IS IT'S YOU'RE ACTUALLY OVER 50% OF COVERING LAND.

AND MY CONCERN IS I JUST TOOK A, I TOOK A SURVEYOR LEVEL OR LASER LEVEL.

MOST OF THAT LAND SITS ANYWHERE FROM 13 TO 16IN BELOW THE GRADE OF THE STREET.

ALL THE WATER COMING DOWN BOTH STREETS END UP IN THAT LOT.

AND THEN IN THE THE AMELIA STREET DUMPING OVER INTO WAYNE AND GREG'S HOUSE AGAIN.

WONDERFUL. BUT I KNOW YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO SHOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH ALL THE WATER, BUT WHEN YOU COME TO FINAL. CAN YOU GIVE AN IDEA OF HOW.

THAT'S DEFINITELY. WE'LL HAVE TO DO A STORMWATER.

YEAH, I FIGURED YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST, BUT I JUST.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SCARES ME THE MOST.

AND. WERE YOU THINKING THAT OUT ALREADY? YES, SIR.

AND WITH IT BEING A STEM WALL BACKFILLED HOME, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DIRECT THE FLOW OF THE WATER FROM EACH SIDE OF THE HOME WITH FILL.

AND WE'LL HAVE TO LET THE CITY KNOW HOW MUCH FUEL WE HAVE PROPOSED TO BRING ON SITE.

SO I IMAGINE THAT THE GARAGE IS GOING TO BE AT THE ROAD LEVEL TO COME IN, WHICH MEANS YOU GOT TO RAISE THAT UP AT LEAST 12IN INCHES, AT LEAST EIGHT INCHES ABOVE THE CURB SIDE, SO TO SPEAK.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MISS SADLER BROUGHT UP THE RECOGNITION WITH YOUR ARCHITECTURE OF THE MEDIA LINE PIONEER. SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE BOARD. HOLD ON.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND SO I CAN JUST GET MY QUESTION OUT OF MY MOUTH.

IT'S NOT HAPPENING. RIGHT. YOU HAVE A LITTLE GABLED WINDOW UP THERE, AND HER SUGGESTION IS THAT WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT, I THINK, TO. WELL, I CAN SAY WE BROUGHT A PRELIMINARY TO MIA.

YEAH. AND ALL IT HAD WAS A STAR DENOTING THE PEONY LINE.

AND SHE TOOK IT TO A BOARD MEMBER AND SAID THAT THEY PROBABLY WOULD NOT ACCEPT THAT TODAY.

RIGHT. I BUILT SIX OTHER HOMES IN OLD TOWN, AND THIS GIVES A GOOD ARCHITECTURAL LOOK AS OPPOSED TO WHAT I'VE DONE IN THE PAST FOR THE SAME PEONY LINE. I THINK IT GIVES MORE ELEMENT THAN, SAY, THE ONE WE DID ON AMARYLLIS FOR THE BACH FAMILY.

AND I KNOW THE PINE JETTY FAMILY. I DIDN'T BUILD IT, BUT IT'S RIGHT BEHIND IT.

AND IT'S GOT MORE LIKE A STAR AS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING.

SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND DONE THIS ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE TO GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO THROW CURIOSITY IN PEOPLE.

LIKE WHY IS THAT THERE? AND IT DENOTES THE PEONY.

HOW IS THE VIEW CORRIDOR THOUGH? HOW IS THAT IN THE PAST, TYPICALLY, WHICH I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE BOARD A FEW TIMES, WE HAD TO STOP A GARAGE AT THE MEDIA PEONY AND GIVE IT FIVE FEET SO THAT IT HAD FIVE FEET ON BOTH SIDES.

I'VE ALSO SEEN HOMES WHERE THEY'VE LITERALLY CHANGED.

TYPICALLY IT'S A TEN FOOT NUMBER THAT'S IN MY HEAD, BUT IT'S SHOWN TEN FEET SOMEHOW.

SO. SO THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU MOVE THE WINDOW UNDER THAT TO GIVE YOU THE MORE FOOTAGE? I MEAN OBVIOUSLY HE'S OUTLINED A MEDIA PIONEER THERE, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT TEN FOOT RELATIONSHIP FIVE ON EACH SIDE.

OR WAS THAT JUST ALWAYS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOARD IN THE PAST WHERE PEOPLE CHANGE THE TYPE OF SIDING OR SOMETHING TO SHOW THAT TEN FOOT, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE EXTENSIVE THAN THAT.

I PULLED UP THE GUIDELINES AND IT SAYS PRINCIPAL AND OUTBUILDINGS MAY NOT CROSS LOT LINES WITHOUT THE USE OF AN

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SO THAT COULD BE LIKE A HYPHEN IN A BUILDING.

IT COULD BE A BREEZEWAY, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S ALSO ARTICULATION IN THE BUILDING ITSELF.

SO IT'S NOT JUST THE FLAT FACADE THAT GOES ACROSS AND THEN THERE'S SOMETHING ON IT.

AND THAT GIVES YOU. AND THEN THEN IT'S THAT FIVE FOOT, YOU KNOW, ON EITHER SIDE OF IT.

SO SO TO YOUR POINT, BUT I READ IT SAYS, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, IF AN OWNER HOLDS THE ENTIRE ROW OF MEDIA PIONEERS, WHICH THEY DO ALONG A NORTH SOUTH STREET AND PLANS TO BUILD THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE PERCENT, WHICH WE ARE AT THE MAXIMUM, THEN ALL BUILDING ELEMENTS MUST DEMONSTRATE A MID LOT VISIBILITY CORRIDOR.

SO THE QUESTION IS DEMONSTRATE MID LOT IS TEN FEET.

SO I'M WHAT I WHAT I, I BUILT ACCORDING TO THE AIR AND FROM THE GROUND UP THING.

BUT BECAUSE THIS IS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF SPACE AT FULL CAPACITY, CAN IT CAN WE JUST DO.

A BUILDING ELEMENT, DOES IT HAVE TO BE AIR FROM THE GROUND UP? NO IT DOESN'T. OKAY, OKAY. IT'S JUST A CONNECTING ELEMENT.

SO. SO CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE? TAMMI OF WHAT YOU'VE LOOKED AT BEFORE.

THAT WAS A CONNECTING PORT. SO YEAH, A PORCH.

A SIDE PORCH. A FRONT PORCH. I WANT TO SAY A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, AND I THINK IT WAS ONE OF ALLISON RAMSEY'S PLANS.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT EVER GOT BUILT BECAUSE WE, WE DISCUSSED IT AND, AND WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY, THE HOUSE, THEY ORIENTED THE HOUSE SO THAT THERE WAS A GABLE AND A SET BACK OF THE PORCH ITSELF IN THAT TEN FOOT AREA.

SO IT VERY CLEARLY DELINEATED. AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE WHERE THEY MADE IT A BREEZEWAY.

SO IT WAS STILL CONDITIONED, BUT THERE WAS WINDOWS THAT YOU COULD SEE THROUGH.

AND THAT WAS THE VISIBILITY CORRIDOR, WHICH WE HAVE THE TEN FOOT ASPECT ON THAT GABLE FROM THE CENTER OF THE WINDOW.

YOU GOT FIVE FEET TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BRACKET, AND YOU GOT FIVE FEET TO THE OTHER BRACKET.

SO THE TEN FOOT IS NOTED THERE. IN THAT PICTURE, THAT'S TEN FEET ON EACH SIDE.

THIS 4X4 BRACKET TO THAT ONE THAT'S TEN FOOT OUT DOUBT.

OKAY. IT JUST IT DOESN'T READ AS VERY I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE DONE IT.

WHAT YOU'VE DONE, IT JUST DOESN'T READ AS VERY SIGNIFICANT. AND WITHOUT EVEN LOOKING AT THE FLOOR, PLAN TO SEE IF IT WOULD EVEN WORK, IF THERE COULD BE SOMETHING ON THE FIRST FLOOR THAT HELPS DEFINE THAT.

AND MAYBE THERE IS A OUR CUSTOMER WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD COMPLETELY.

YOU'VE GOT A KITCHEN ON ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND YOU HAVE A BATHROOM MASTER BEDROOM ON THE OTHER TO GIVE IT THAT TWO FOOT SETBACK AND, AND TEN FOOT THIS WAY AND TWO FOOT BACK OUT. THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO REWORK THEIR ENTIRE DRAWING.

I KNOW. I THINK WHAT I WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IS THERE JUST ANOTHER WAY TO ACCENTUATE THE TEN FEET AND THE, THE. YEAH. TYPE OF SIDING, SOMETHING THE, THE WINDOWS BELOW IT, THROW IT OFF.

IT MAKES IT MUCH LESS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE OF THE PLACEMENT OF THE FIRST FLOOR WINDOWS.

YEAH. IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT VIEW AGAIN, THAT WINDOW BELOW IS A BATHROOM HERE.

SO THE OTHER SIDE TRYING TO, TRYING TO CENTER THAT UNDER THAT IT'S, THERE'S A WALL THERE TOO.

SO IT, IT'S JUST, I THINK THIS IS A CASE OF A PLAN AREA RIGHT THERE, A PLAN TRYING TO BE FIT ONTO A LOT INSTEAD OF A PLAN MADE TO WORK WITH A LOT AND WHAT IS REQUIRED OF THE LOT.

THAT'S AGAIN, THIS IS WHICH I KNOW WE GOT A NEW BOARD, BUT IN THE PAST, SAY THE POND HOUSE THEIRS IS JUST A GABLE ON A PORCH.

AND THIS IS MUCH MORE DENOTED THAN, SAY, THEIR HOME.

WELL, LET ME JUST THERE IS A NEW BOARD, BUT THERE ARE ALSO UPDATES TO OUR GUIDELINES.

SO A LOT OF STUFF, THE CONCERN AND WHAT WE HEARD A LOT OF FROM THE RESIDENTS IN OLD TOWN WAS THAT THIS BOARD HAD ALLOWED THINGS TO SLIP THROUGH THAT THE BOARD SHOULD NOT HAVE ALLOWED TO SLIP.

AGREED. THERE'S VINYL SIDING ON SOME HOMES OUT THERE.

[02:45:02]

SO. WHEN I LOOK AT THE LEFT ELEVATION, THAT'S NOT THE SIDE THAT YOU JUST SHOWED, IS IT? NO. SO. SO THAT LITTLE WINDOW IS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE.

SO THIS WINDOW, DOUBLE SET OF WINDOWS. THERE'S A KITCHEN ON THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

RIGHT. BUT THAT'S THE PART THAT'S FACING THE STREET.

SO THAT'S THE SIDE. THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED THE DESIGNATION.

IF JUST BASED ON THE FRONT WHICH THIS IS FACING THIS SIDE, THE RIGHT ELEVATION IS FACING AMELIA STREET.

SO DONALD, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS WHERE I GUESS THAT'S IT ALMOST LOOKS TOO UNIFORM FRONT.

OKAY. THAT'S THE FRONT. SO SO YOU ARE CORRECT.

FACING THE STREET. YES, SIR. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE SIDE WE'RE CONCERNED, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON THE BOTTOM ELEVATION.

RIGHT. THE RIGHT ELEVATION IS THE ONE. YEAH. THE GARAGE WOULD BE HERE AND THE STREETS HERE AND THEY PULL IN THEIR GARAGE.

THAT'LL BE HERE. AND THIS WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BE MORE VISIBLE FOR, SAY, PEOPLE RIDING THROUGH OLD TOWN.

NOW, WHEN YOU SAY THAT THE THAT YOU HAVE 100 IS.

IS IT TRUE THAT 100% OF THE PROPERTY THAT YOU CAN COVER WITH STRUCTURE IS BEING COVERED WITH THIS? YOU CAN'T ADD ANYTHING ANYWHERE? NO, MA'AM. WE'RE AT OUR PERCENTAGE OF 45% OF CONDITION OF CONDITION SPACE, WHICH IS ON THE CALCULATION OKAY OF CONDITION SPACE.

SO YOU CAN ADD MORE PORCHES. SO IF I CAME AROUND THAT CORNER UNDER BACK AT THE RIGHT ELEVATION AGAIN, PLEASE. I'M SORRY. IT'S OKAY. IF IF I CAME AROUND THAT CORNER AND EXTENDED THAT PORCH UNDER THAT GABLE. OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, THIS PORCH ON AROUND AND STOP IT AND STOP IT THERE.

I BELIEVE THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE FREE TO DO THAT.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR US OR. NO. HOW WIDE WOULD THAT PORCH BE? DONALD DID I THINK WE ONLY GOT FIVE FOOT THREE INCHES THERE.

YOU GOT FIVE, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY OR NOT.

THE THE SETBACK. NO, SIR, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

BECAUSE WE HAVE IF YOU HAVE FIVE FEET, I CAN GET IN A ROCKING CHAIR.

NO, NO I THAT'S WHAT THEY DID ON THE CORNER OF NEW AND.

YEAH. NEW. AND IN SUMMER THEY JUST PUT THIS NARROW PORTION TO MAKE THAT DESIGNATION.

WELL, I THINK OUR JOB IS TO PRETEND THAT FIVE FOOT OF.

BUT WE CAN HAVE PORCH IN THAT. RIGHT. IF WE CAN HAVE A 24IN UP TO 24IN INTO IT, THE EAVE CAN ENCROACH 24.

THE EAVE CAN GO IN 24IN. YEAH, YEAH. THE PORCH CAN ONLY BE 24IN.

YEAH. AND THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, RIGHT? YOU'RE GOING FOR CONCEPTUAL. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S GOOD. SO AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PUT SOME SORT OF GABLE ON THE PORCH OR SOMETHING TO DELINEATE.

YES. A HIP ROOF OR SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT THAT ROOFING A LITTLE BIT. YEAH.

SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT. WE'VE GOT FIVE FOOT TWO INCHES ON THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

ARE YOU SAYING THIS DECK COULD COME AROUND INSIDE OF THAT FIVE FOOT TWO INCHES? WHICH. THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE OR NOT.

SO THE EXPERTS HAVE TO SAY, WELL, IT'S A SUGGESTION THAT HAS TO BE FIGURED OUT ON PAPER.

YEAH. I MEAN, IT THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BRING MORE NOTICE TO THAT AND SOLVE OUR PROBLEM, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S ALLOWED. WELL, Y'ALL WOULD TELL ME OR THE CITY WOULD.

THAT'S THAT FIVE FOOT TWO. THAT'S A NO BUILD RESTRICTION.

YOU CAN'T. SO THAT IS THE SETBACK. YES SIR. THAT'S RIGHT.

SO THAT THAT HOUSE COMES RIGHT UP TO THE SETBACK AND THEN THE TWO FEET ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CLEAR, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE CITY RIGHT AWAY, AND THAT DOESN'T WORK. YEAH. DEFINITELY CAN'T BUILD THIS OUT. OKAY. WELL, HOW CAN THE FLOOR PLAN GET SLIGHTLY NARROWER? CAN YOU SHRINK A LITTLE BIT? PUSH IT IN A LITTLE BIT.

WE'RE AFFECTING OUR KITCHEN AND MASTER BATH, ETC..

YEAH. I MEAN, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, BUT TO DO IT, I BELIEVE THEY WOULD END UP HAVING TO GO COMPLETELY BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD BECAUSE PULLING IN THAT AREA IN BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE WOULD JUST MESS UP THEIR DESIGN.

BASICALLY, IF YOU GO TO, I MEAN, HERE'S THE FLOOR PLAN.

SO THAT AREA IS RIGHT HERE AND STRAIGHT ACROSS.

SO WE GOT KITCHEN HERE AND WE GOT MASTER AND MASTER BATH THERE.

[02:50:04]

YOU'D HAVE A NICE LITTLE PORCH OFF THE MASTER OR A LITTLE SITTING AREA.

I MEAN, THE LITTLE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO HERE TODAY IS, IS DECIDE ON CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND DETERMINE WHETHER THERE IS ANY CONDITIONS. YES, MA'AM. SO IT'S IT'S HIGHLY LIKELY.

I DON'T THINK THAT I CAN I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR THE BOARD AND SAY THAT WHAT'S SHOWING NOW AS A MARKER OF THE THE PIONEER LINE IS NOT ENOUGH.

THE VIEW CORRIDOR IS NOT ENOUGH. AND OUR MAIN JOB IN OLD TOWN IS TO PROTECT THE GRID.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE MORE CONCERNED, PERHAPS, THAN BOARDS IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN.

AND IT SHOWS IN OUR GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S WELL RECOGNIZED FOR WHAT IT IS.

SO LET ME JUST ASK THE BOARD, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS BESIDES THAT? I DO NOT KNOW. NO. MIA, DO YOU HAVE THE DESIGN OF THE BART RESIDENCE THAT YOU SHOWED ME DURING THAT PRELIMINARY MEETING THAT YOU SAID THAT THE BOARD LIKED, AND SHOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? WELL, IT WAS A GABLE ABOVE A SCREENED PORCH, BUT YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY WHY WE LIKE AIR.

SO THIS THESE TWO LITTLE WINDOWS. I'LL TRY TO LOOK FOR IT THAT YOU ARE CAPPING.

I'M ASSUMING THEIR BATHROOM WINDOWS OR ON THE LOWER LEVEL ARE THE ONES ON THE PIANO ON THE THEY JUST GO TO THE ATTIC AND THEY GO TO NOWHERE.

SO, SO I'M WONDERING, AND THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE BOARD ALSO.

AND, AND FOR YOU AS THE DESIGNER BUILDER. I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES IS PROBABLY THAT THE GABLE AND THE BRACKETS JUST LOOKS A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, AD HOC, LIKE IT JUST KIND OF STUCK ON THERE.

IT DOESN'T REALLY LOOK LIKE IT'S SERVING A PROPER PURPOSE.

WOULD IT BE BETTER IF THEY ALMOST MADE THAT MORE OF, LIKE A LITTLE VIEW BALCONY UP THERE OF SOME SORT, AND THEN MAYBE CHANGE THE MATERIALS BEHIND THE GABLE AND HAD SOMETHING THAT KIND OF DELINEATED THAT AREA? YES. AND SIMILAR TO THE GARAGE, THE WAY IT HAS THAT LITTLE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED, WHERE A DOOR JUST OPENS TO A RAILING THAT'S LIKE A JULIET BALCONY.

YES. AND WE COULD, WE COULD DO THAT UP TOP. YEAH.

TYPE THING WITH A RAILING AROUND IT AND THEN MAYBE EVEN ITS SHINGLES UNDERNEATH.

OR YOU FLIP THE SIDE OR YOU CHANGE THE SIDING.

YEAH, YEAH. AND YOU HAVE THE THINGS THAT COME ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE LITTLE VIEW BALCONY.

SO IT REALLY SHOWS WHAT THAT COFFEE SHOP IS DOWNTOWN, BUT IT'S GOT THAT UNDERNEATH OF A BAY WINDOW SIMILAR TO THAT.

THAT WOULD GIVE IT A LITTLE BUMP OUT TYPE OF THING.

YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. SO IT'S THE SAME KIND OF THING, EXCEPT IT WOULD HAVE LIKE A LITTLE STOOP TYPE THING.

YEAH. IT WOULDN'T LOOK LIKE AN ORNAMENT. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO WHICH I CAN TAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND BRING BACK A NEWER DESIGN ELEMENT ON BOTH OF THOSE EYEBROWS.

YEAH. THIS IS THE EXAMPLE THAT I SHOWED THEM IN THE PRE-APPLICATION MEETING.

THIS HOUSE WAS NOT BUILT, BUT IT'S ON A MILLION SAN FERNANDO.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT MEDIA LINE GOES HERE AND THEN FIVE FEET ON BOTH SIDES.

THE HOUSE HAS STEPPED IN. REQUIRE THEM TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. I'M JUST THE OTHER ONE. THE BART RESIDENCE THAT WAS ON THE CORNER. WE DID KNOW THIS PLAN WELL, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY BID ON THIS. RIGHT.

IN THEIR PRINCIPLES. OKAY. IS THAT YURI'S HOUSE? BART? YURI. THAT WAS HOPE AND DAVE, WHAT WAS THE OTHER DESIGN YOU WERE LOOKING FOR? YURI. BART. THE CORNER OF SUMMER AND NEW STREET.

NEW. YOU KNOW WHAT YEAR? I BUILT IT? MAYBE FIVE YEARS AGO.

SIX AT BEST. BUT IT WAS ONE THAT YOU SHOWED ME.

WHEN? NOT LONG AGO. THIS ONE. I WASN'T IT WAS 20, 24 YEARS AGO.

MAYBE. NO. THREE. OKAY, TWO. I THINK WE'RE READY TO MAKE A MOTION.

YES. WHAT DOES THAT MATTER? ARE YOU READY TO MAKE IT? SURE. OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. NO PUBLIC HEARING.

PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK TO US? YES, MA'AM. IS.

YOU'RE THE PUBLIC RIGHT NOW. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER. DO WE NEED FURTHER BOARD DISCUSSION NOW THAT THAT'S CLOSED? ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK EVERYBODY SAID WHAT THEY WANTED TO SAY.

SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THIS IS THIS IS HOW COME IT DOESN'T SAY THAT THIS IS CONCEPTUAL ON HERE?

[02:55:01]

THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE OLD TOWN DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVATION GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

FINAL OR CONCEPTUAL. CONCEPTUAL. CONCEPTUAL. CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

AND, MADAM CHAIR, BEFORE SHE FINISHES HER MOTION STAFF HAD ALSO RECOMMENDED CONDITION THAT THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD THAT IS SCREENED. AND BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE ON THE DRAWING WHERE THEY ARE.

YES. SO YOU WANT TO. YEAH. I WANT TO ADD MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS SCREENED FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? MEMBERS FOR SACHSE. YES. MEMBER KOSACK. YES. MEMBER PISARSKI.

YES. YES. YES. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL.

THANKS FOR STAYING. YES, MA'AM. AND IS THIS YOUR HOUSE, MA'AM? YEAH. RIGHT. WHERE? OH, SOMEWHERE WE'RE NOT NEIGHBORS.

THIS THIS CLIENT IS GOING TO LIVE THERE. THAT'S GOING TO BE THEIR PRIMARY.

OKAY, BUT IT'S NOT THIS LADY. OKAY. WELL, SHE'S A NEIGHBOR.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. YOU OKAY WITH IT? WITH WHAT? I'M I THE DESIGN. MY ONLY QUESTION GOES TO THE WATER PROBLEM, WHICH BECAUSE I OWN THE TWO LOTS OPPOSITE ACROSS THE STREET AND MY SECOND LOT 808 WHITE STREET IS BELOW GRADE.

AND I DO GET FLOODING, RIGHT. AND WE'VE HEARD FOLKS FROM OLD TOWN BEFORE TALK ABOUT THAT.

NOW, MR. GLEASON GETTING ANGRY. ANDRE JUST PUT IN STORM DRAINS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND LIKE.

AND, WELL, ASA GILLETTE WILL DO THE STORMWATER WATER.

RETAINMENT ON SITE IS A BIG THING NOW. THAT'S A REQUIREMENT.

WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGINEER. YES. DO THE STORMWATER CALCULATIONS IN ORDER TO EVEN GET THAT DONE.

THAT'S PART OF THAT PROCESS AND RETAINING ON SITE.

SO IT CAN'T GO TO YOUR THEY'RE GOING TO WORK ON IT FOR YOU.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU. RIGHT.

YEAH. DONALD. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE DOWN TO BOARD BUSINESS AND I AM ALL ABOUT IT.

[6.1. Historic Downtown Design Guidelines- Board Comments]

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO BELIEVES THAT WE CAN'T YET VOTE ON IT? I THINK THAT IT WARRANTS SOME DISCUSSION ON SOME OF THE ITEMS. AND I THINK WITHOUT A FULL BOARD HERE, YOU KNOW, JIM, BEING HERE AS WELL, BUT I, I WOULD PREFER NOT TO VOTE ON IT TONIGHT. AND THERE'S, THERE'S AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I LIKE TO SEE CHANGED IN THERE, SOME LANGUAGE THAT I LIKE AND I GAVE IT TO ME TO REVIEW IT.

BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I LIKE TO SEE CHANGE.

SO I WOULD PREFER NOT TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT.

AND MADAM CHAIR, DOES STAFF HAVE A PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING THEY WANT? I CAN EXPLAIN SOME OF WHAT'S IN THE AGENDA PACKET.

OKAY. OKAY. WELL, IT'LL BE VERY QUICK. I HEARD FROM MEMBER KOSACK.

MEMBER BURNS AND MEMBER POZZETTA SOME COMMENTS ON THE DESIGN GUIDELINES IN YOUR PACKET.

I REPORTED ALL THE COMMENTS I HEARD AND MADE THE EDITS THAT I COULD IN INDESIGN.

THERE ARE A LITTLE BIT OF FORMATTING ISSUES THERE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEND THE CONSULTANT TO HELP ME A LITTLE BIT WITH, BUT THE EDITS THAT ARE THERE, I THINK ARE AN IMPROVEMENT TO ALL THE GUIDELINE ITERATIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR.

AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH A COUPLE OF MEMBERS THAT I THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE SINCE THIS PAST WINTER, FROM OCTOBER TO DECEMBER, WE HAD LIKE 1 OR 2 CASES.

I THINK EVERY WINTER GOING FORWARD, WE CAN DO KIND OF AN APPRAISAL AND A LOOK AT THE GUIDELINES, AND I CAN MAKE THOSE GRADUAL CHANGES. BUT I'M REALLY HOPING TO GET OVER THIS INITIAL HUMP AND START MOVING THIS ALONG SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO IMPROVE IT MOVING FORWARD. THAT'S THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. AND IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR, I ALSO THE GRANTS ADMINISTRATOR

[03:00:05]

AND THAT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT, I GUESS, A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO.

AND I ASSURED HER THAT THE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S A TIMELINESS TO GRANT REPORTING.

AND SHE WAS VERY CONCERNED THAT WE WERE BUMPING UP AGAINST THAT DEADLINE.

AND I TOLD HER LAST THEY WERE ON THE LAST MEETING AND THEN I ADVISED HER THEY WERE ON THIS MEETING.

SO I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE GRANT AND BEING TIMELY WITH THE GRANT BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE TO GET ON A COMMISSION AGENDA, A CITY COMMISSION AGENDA, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WOULD PROBABLY TAKE ANOTHER MONTH, I'M GUESSING. SO, VERONICA, CAN I ASK YOU, PLEASE, IS THERE SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED IN REVISION.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A COUPLE OF. WELL I HAVEN'T, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S REVISIONS THAT WERE MADE TO THE DOCUMENTS SINCE I GUESS. YEAH. AFTER I RECEIVED ALL THE COMMENTS, I SPENT ABOUT THREE HOURS ADDRESSING THE COMMENTS THAT I THOUGHT WERE APPROPRIATE THAT I HAD CAPACITY TO MAKE WITH THE SOFTWARE THAT I HAVE.

RIGHT? BECAUSE LIKE WE MET, WE MET LIKE BACK IN AUGUST, JUNE, JULY, WHENEVER THAT WAS WHEN WE MET.

OKAY, SO ALMOST A YEAR AGO. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH.

SO, SO THIS HAS, THIS HAS GONE ON BEYOND IT'S AGREED.

I DO AGREE. SO, SO WITH THE. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO FORCE YOU TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS. IF, IN FACT, YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY SUBSTANTIALLY CRITICAL THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE WE CAN SEND IT TO THE COMMISSION. AND ALSO REMEMBERING THAT WHAT MAYOR HAS SUGGESTED IS BECAUSE WE HAVE SORT OF SLOW PERIODS TOWARD THE END OF THE YEAR, WE CAN REVIEW THEM AGAIN.

WE SHOULD BE REVIEWING THEM ALL THE TIME TO SEE IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE.

AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO LOOK AT COME THAT NEXT REVIEW IS THE WINDOW DISCUSSION WE HAD TONIGHT.

SO I IF I CAN ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OF MIA THEN.

SO ON PAGE ROMAN NUMERAL TEN, THERE'S A THERE'S A BULLET THERE ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE DRAWINGS.

AND WAS THAT ADDRESSED. SO LIKE THE QUALITY AND TONIGHT WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.

THE QUALITY OF WHAT WE RECEIVE. AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT CHANGE, YOU KNOW, PREPARE APPROPRIATE CONCISE, CONCISE, PROFESSIONAL DRAWINGS OF FEATURES OF WORK THAT WILL OCCUR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GOT UPDATED.

OKAY. I'M JUST LOADING IN THE DOCUMENT. CAN YOU REMIND ME THE PAGE NUMBER? IT'S ROMAN NUMERAL TEN. OKAY. SO I WONDER IF, YOU KNOW, DON SAID THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS NO LONGER ACCEPTING HANDWRITTEN OR HAND-DRAWN. SHOULD WE TO PROTECT OURSELVES RATHER THAN SAYING PREPARED BY A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, YOU KNOW, A HOMEOWNER CAN PRESENT PREPARE PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE PLANS AND THEY'RE NOT PROFESSIONAL.

SHOULD IT SAY SOMETHING MORE LIKE WHATEVER IS BEING SUBMITTED TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? SO, SO I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT TODAY'S EXAMPLE AND WHAT THEY SIGNED THAT THEY DID.

THERE'S A WHOLE PARAGRAPH ON WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO SUBMIT TO US.

NOW MAYBE WE JUST TWEAKED THE WORDS THERE AGAIN, TO ME, WHEN I SEE A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS GUIDELINES, IT'S A STARTING POINT. AND THEN THIS IS WHERE YOU GET INTO THE THE NITTY GRITTY.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF MAYBE, MAYBE EVERY WINTER WE TAKE 1 OR 2 CHAPTERS AND WE FINE TUNE THEM.

BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, A WHOLE DOCUMENT AT ONCE IS A LITTLE OVERWHELMING.

BUT I READ THE APPLICANT REQUIREMENTS. IT TALKS ABOUT PHOTOGRAPHS.

DOCUMENT EVERY CHANGE YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO REPLACE IT WITH. I MEAN, THE THINGS YOU BROUGHT UP, I MAYBE WE JUST TWEAK THE WORDS THERE SO THAT WHEN THEY READ IT, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WE NEED TO HAVE ENGINEERED APPROVED PLANS OR SOMETHING.

WELL, I ALSO THINK THAT WITH CERTAIN WE, WE CANNOT ALLOW THE PERFECT TO BE THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD. RIGHT? THERE'S THAT.

BUT THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS TRUE IS IF YOU THINK ABOUT OUR CASES TONIGHT, THE TWO YOUNG MEN WITH THE HOUSE ON SIXTH STREET, THEY CONSIDER THEMSELVES TO BE PROFESSIONAL RESTORATION PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE IT BEFORE.

SO IF YOU USE THE TERM PROFESSIONAL, THEY'LL THEY'LL TAKE IT TO MEAN I'M PROFESSIONAL.

SO. SO I THINK THAT WHAT WE NEED TO, TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT HAS REALLY STOOD OUT TO US DURING OUR EXPERIENCE WITH ALL OF THIS AND WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT WE ADDRESS THOSE RIGHT THIS MINUTE SO THAT WE CAN VOTE ON IT.

[03:05:07]

SO I WILL HAVE TO ASK THE CONSULTANT TO HELP ME A LITTLE BIT WITH FORMATTING, BUT MOSTLY IT'S.

AND AND IF I MAY, ON THAT POINT. YES. JIM'S NOT HERE.

HE AND I HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR THE LONGEST TIME, AND WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT CHAIRS OVER THE YEARS.

AND, AND WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT BOARDS OVER THE YEARS.

AND I MEAN, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN THIS BOARD, IF A DRAWING LIKE THAT CAME, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN BECAUSE THERE WAS.

WE WE CAN'T RELY ON SOMEBODY'S PENCIL DRAWING WITH NO CALL OUTS ON IT.

SO HOW YOU ARTICULATE THAT? I DON'T THINK YOU CAN.

I THINK WE HAVE TO GIVE SOME PURCHASE TO THIS BOARD TO BE ABLE AND TO MIA TO SAY, YOU CAN BRING IT TO THE BOARD IF YOU WANT, BUT IT'S UP TO THEM. NO, I THINK I THINK THAT WHAT AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO THINK OF EVERY POSSIBLE SITUATION THAT MIGHT COME FORWARD AND WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO, SO I THINK THAT AS LONG AS WE ARE CLEAR WITH MIA, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE APPLICATION PROCESS IS GOING TO START. SO AS LONG AS MIA IS AWARE THAT A HAND-DRAWN DRAWING, NO MATTER HOW COOL IT LOOKS, IS NOT GOING TO BE ACCEPTABLE. NO, I DON'T. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT HAS TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION ON IT.

IT CAN STILL BE DRAWN BY HAND. MY SON USED TO DRAW HIS ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING.

YEAH. BUT THEN. THEN CAME THE POINT OF YOU COULD ERASE IT.

WELL, I DIDN'T THAT WAS I KNOW WHAT I WAS SAYING BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T GETTING THAT, BUT OH MY GOODNESS, 60 DAYS THEY'VE BEEN WAITING. YEAH. OKAY. PROFESSIONAL DOES IMPLY THERE'S A THERE'S A THERE'S A LICENSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT.

YOU KNOW, LIKE I AM A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL IS A TERM OF ART.

YES. THAT DOES. YEAH. IT'S NOT JUST ALSO EASIER FOR US TO INTERPRET.

YEAH. BECAUSE THERE'S, IT'S A STANDARD, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, WAY OF READING DOCUMENTS. IT'S EASILY INTERPRETABLE.

IT'S CLEAR. SO SO WHAT SHOULD THAT WORDING LOOK LIKE? AND THAT'S THE KIND OF CHANGE THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, JUST THESE THINGS THAT ARE MORE CRITICAL.

NO DRAWINGS PREPARED DOCUMENTS PREPARED BY A PROFESSIONAL IS A PROFESSIONAL DESIGNER, ARCHITECT OR DESIGN PROFESSIONAL IS THE TERM OF ART THAT WOULD THAT WOULD IMPLY AN ARCHITECT OR AN ENGINEER.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THE LEVEL THAT YOU WANT TO REQUIRE EVERYONE TO SUBMIT ABOUT WHAT.

FROM WHAT WE HEARD AT THE OTHER END THAT SOME PEOPLE CAN MAYOR IS THAT JUST AS EASY? IS THAT WORK? 250 IF IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, I THINK IT INCREASES THE FINANCIAL BARRIER FOR PEOPLE TO OWN HISTORIC HOMES.

BUT ULTIMATELY, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO DO THEM FOR THE BUILDING.

I MEAN, WE ALL LOOKED AT DONALD JIMMY. THERE WAS A CERTAIN JIMMY PARR SECURITY IN LOOKING AT HE'S.

I CANNOT GET STANDARDS FROM HIM. IT'S CASE BY CASE WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIALS.

THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THAT'S THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

I MEAN, I BUT BUT IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF LEVELS OF CONSTRUCTION THAT REQUIRE MORE PROFESSIONAL LEVEL.

THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT EVEN HOMEOWNERS CAN DO THAT DON'T REQUIRE IT.

SO IT IS ON, UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

IT DEPENDS, BUT VERY COMPLICATED NEW HOUSES. THAT'S A GIVEN.

BUT I SEE IT ALL THE TIME WHEN WE GET WHEN WE GET PLANS THAT SOMETIMES EVEN WHEN THEY'RE JUST CHANGING RAILINGS AND ALL THAT AND JUST MAYBE MODIFYING THE PORCH. THEY'RE JUST PICTURES, BUT THAT'S A DEGREE OF INTENSIFICATION OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP WHEN THE GENTLEMAN PRESENTED THE HOUSE, IT WAS MORE THAN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE.

SO IT REQUIRED IT TO GO TO CODE. I MEAN, I COULD SEE IF I WAS GOING TO CHANGE THE FRONT RAILING ON MY PORCH.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE FOCUSED ON. AND SOMEONE'S GOING TO ASK ME, WHAT'S THE MATERIAL? WHAT'S THE RAILING? WHAT'S THE WIDTH? THOSE QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO COME OUT AT THIS MEETING WITHIN 5 OR 10 MINUTES, BUT THERE WAS A LOT IN THERE THAT I HAD TO LEAVE UP TO THESE PROFESSIONALS TO EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE HOUSE.

WELL, IS THERE ANY MERIT TO TO US SAYING THAT IF IT'S A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, IT NEEDS

[03:10:06]

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I EXPECT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO UNDERSTAND.

THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS LOOKING AT FLORIDA'S STATE CODE AND ALSO LEVELS OF COMPLEXITY.

BUT OUR TASK IS TO PROTECT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO CAN WE ALONE DEMAND DRAWINGS THAT ARE COMPLETE WITH ALL OF THE COMPONENTS THAT WE BROUGHT UP TONIGHT? WE ALWAYS HAVE A CHECKLIST OF IT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING, THOUGH. IF WE CAN PUT THAT STATED THAT WAY IN THE GUIDELINES, AND I'M LOOKING AT MIA AND THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON IN YOUR HEAD.

YEAH. AND I THINK YOU YOU CAN REQUIRE IT. YOU JUST NEED TO ARTICULATE WHAT THAT IS.

BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT OF THE BUILDING CODE.

NO. RIGHT. SO YOU MAY BE REQUIRING SOMETHING FROM A LEVEL THAT'S NOT REQUIRED IF THEY ACTUALLY NEED A PERMIT.

SO AS LONG AS THAT'S UNDERSTOOD WELL AS I THINK WE CAN.

YEAH. IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE MY ASSUMPTION THOUGH THAT IF THEY COME BEFORE THIS BOARD, THEY WON'T GET FINAL APPROVAL IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT STUFF.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WE HAVE THESE GUIDELINES AND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF APPLICANTS, SOME THAT ARE VERY DETAILED. THEY'LL MEET WITH SAL OR MIA OR WHOEVER THE PERSON IS, AND THEY KNOW WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE LIKE, BOB SAYS THE MATERIALS LIST, A MATERIALS LIST TO PERSON A OR PERSON B CAN BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.

YOU KNOW, PERSON B, LIKE THESE GUYS, THE MATERIALS LIST IS EVERYTHING WILL BE WOULD PERSON A MIGHT BE LIKE CYPRESS THREE QUARTER INCH FLAT SONG ROUNDED AND SO SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN SPOON FEED THEM MORE BEFORE MIA CAN JUST LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS BOARD IS GOING TO NEED MORE INFORMATION.

I THINK SHE'S THE THE, YOU KNOW, THE GUARDRAIL THAT SAYS THIS ISN'T THIS ISN'T ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR THEM TO SEE.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARTICULATE THAT, DO WE? WELL, BUT AT SOME POINT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT IT ANYHOW.

AND THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S LIKE THE WINDOW PEOPLE. THAT'S A THAT'S A CHANCE THAT THEY TAKE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR LOCAL ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS, WHATEVER THEY KNOW, WHAT WE WHAT TYPICALLY COMES IN FRONT OF THE BOARDS, THE. I MEAN, EVEN THE FOLKS UP IN SOUTH CAROLINA, THEY KNOW WHAT TO PRESENT.

I THINK THE CHALLENGE HERE WAS YOU HAD TWO, TWO PROFESSIONALS, BUT NOT USED TO HOW THINGS HAPPEN.

SO WHAT IF THIS IF IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE THAT SAYS YOUR WHATEVER YOUR PLAN IS THAT YOU PLAN TO SUBMIT TO BUILDING NEEDS TO COME TO HCC FIRST. I THINK IT'S.

BUT. BUT THOSE DOCUMENTS TEND TO BE MUCH MORE DETAILED.

SO. SO A SET OF CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS. THEN WE'RE.

THEN WE'RE ASKING FOR A SET OF CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AND. AND THEN THEY HAVE INVESTED SOME MORE SIGNIFICANT FUNDS INTO DOING THAT, WHICH I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR INTENT TO. WELL, NO, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED THE FOUNDATION PLAN. THE ROOFING PLAN. WE CAN WE CAN ARTICULATE.

WE NEED THE SITE PLAN. WE NEED ELEVATIONS, THE FLOOR PLAN, JUST LIKE WE AGREED.

YEAH. YEAH. AND AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THOSE DRAWINGS ARE THAT THEY.

BECAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT WHAT WE'RE APPROVING IS WHAT GOES TO BUILDING.

IT HAS TO BE THE SAME. SO BRING THAT TO US FIRST.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER ABOUT A YEAR AGO, YOU HAD THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT DESIGN PROFESSIONAL.

AND I REMEMBER THERE WAS LOTS OF CONVERSATION AS TO WHAT THAT MEANS.

AND I REMEMBER THERE WAS ACTUALLY EVEN A CONVERSATION ABOUT NOT BEING SO STRICT TO REQUIRE THE ARCHITECTURAL STAMP PLANS.

IN SOME CASES, AS LONG AS THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL HAVE PROVEN DESIGN EXPERIENCE.

AND I REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT I ALSO REMEMBER THAT EVERYBODY CAME BACK AND LANDED ON PROFESSIONAL DESIGN, PROFESSIONAL DESIGN. THAT WAS WHAT CAME BACK AROUND TO THAT FINAL DECISION IS WHAT YOU MAKE.

BUT THEN I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT CREATING A, A CHECKLIST FOR THE DRAWINGS.

AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S A SUBSET OF WHAT THE APPLICATION WOULD BE IS ACTUALLY A CHECKLIST.

[03:15:01]

IT HAS TO BE THE SCALE JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE YOU DO FOR PLANS THAT ARE SETBACKS ELEVATIONS.

YEAH. YOU WOULD HAVE A CHECKLIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE ON THE PLANS AND INCLUDE INCLUDING IT BEING TO SCALE.

BUT THAT WAS SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS A YEAR AGO ABOUT THIS VERY SAME TOPIC IS THAT WITHOUT REQUIRING IT, BECAUSE YOU COULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE IT TO BE SEALED BY AN ARCHITECT. BUT IS THAT REALISTIC AND IS THAT BURDENSOME? AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY TO BE ACTUALLY SIGNED AND SEALED. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE GUIDELINES, BUT WE MAKE IT PART AND PARCEL OF THE PROCESS AND THE PACKAGE THAT COMES IN HERE LIKE A CHECKLIST.

WELL, AND I THINK, MADAM CHAIR, THAT WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN RAISED, BECAUSE I WAS READING IT DURING THE PRESENTATION WITH THOSE GENTLEMEN, I MEAN IT VERY CLEARLY IN THE APPLICATION SAYS SCALED SITE PLAN, INCLUDING LOT DIMENSION SETBACKS, FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION CHANGES, PROPOSED FOOTPRINT, SITE PLAN MUST SHOW BLAH BLAH BLAH.

PHOTOGRAPHS. IT TALKS ABOUT THE TYPE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT ALREADY IN HERE.

PROPOSED MATERIAL, EXTERIOR DOORS, WINDOWS, ROOFING, EXTERIOR FABRIC, FASCIA TRIM SHUTTERS, FENCING SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO CALL OUT, I THINK WAS IN THIS APPLICATION REQUIREMENT SECTION.

SO A LOT MORE OF A BULLET POINT LIST THOUGH FOR WELL, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

ON THE APPLICATION. AND THEY MAY HAVE TO CHECK IT OFF. I MEAN I THINK RIGHT. I THINK ONE OF THE DISCUSSION WAS MAKING SURE THE APPLICANT KNEW. RIGHT. YEAH. BUT THEY WANTED YEAH.

SO SO AND SO YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT. CAN WE. CAN WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT AN APPLICANT WILL GET AS SORT OF A FUNNEL. AND IT STARTS UP HERE WITH GUIDELINES THAT ARE ARE BROADER BUT STILL PRETTY SPECIFIC AROUND SOME THINGS. AND THEN IT GETS MORE GRANULAR AS YOU GO TO THE APPLICATION PACKAGE ITSELF, THE CHECKLIST, IF THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDE. AND.

MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PUT EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

BECAUSE IF WE HAVE THEM IN THE APPLICATION OR IN A CHECKLIST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN IT'S IT'S THEN WE CAN REFERENCE THAT IN THE GUIDELINES. BUT RIGHT NOW IN THE GUIDELINES, IT SAYS IN THIS SENTENCE THAT I TOOK EXCEPTION TO.

IT JUST SAYS, PREPARE DRAWINGS OF FEATURES WHERE WORK WILL OCCUR.

IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE REFERENCE REFERENCE.

SO THAT DOES ADD A PROFESSIONAL STEP. YEAH. I THINK IF YOU IF DESIGN PROFESSIONAL.

YEAH. I THINK THEN IT'S THEN THAT'S COOL. OR DO WE OR DO WE NEED TO REFERENCE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THE CHECKLIST BECAUSE THAT IS MUCH MORE DETAILED.

I THINK I WILL JUST JUMP IN HERE. YEAH. THIS IS THE STEP FOUR OF GETTING STARTED.

I WANT VERONICA TO HEAR THIS ALL THE WAY YOU GUYS. I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY. OKAY. OKAY. RON. SO IT SAYS PREPARE.

THIS IS JUST KIND OF THE GETTING STARTED. THIS ISN'T EVEN KIND OF GETTING TO THE APPLICATION.

PREPARE DRAWINGS OR FEATURES WILL WORK, WILL OCCUR. AND THEN IT SAYS CONSULT CITY PLANNING STAFF WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT DOCUMENTATION NEEDED BASED ON SCOPE OF WORK. EACH APPLICATION IS REVIEWED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. SO THAT MAKES IT FALL RIGHT BACK TO YOU.

YEAH. AND THEN YOU JUST GOT TO POINT THEM TO THE CHECKLIST.

YEAH. AND THEN WE MAKE A CHECKLIST. YEAH. RIGHT.

BANG. OKAY. SO IF WE MAKE THAT CHANGE RIGHT THERE THAT YOU JUST BROUGHT UP, WE MIGHT BE DONE WITH THIS CONVERSATION.

WE'RE ONLY ON ROMAN NUMERAL PAGE TEN. NO, NO, NO, THESE WERE THE BIG THINGS.

NO, THAT'S ONE BIG THING THAT SHE BROUGHT UP.

DIE ON YOUR HILL. WHAT HILL DO YOU WANT TO DIE ON? I HAVE NO HILLS. PICK YOUR HILL. DO YOU SUSPECT THAT THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S GOING TO.

OKAY. OKAY. SO SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS FOR THIS, WE ARE GOING TO REFERENCE THE CHECKLIST OR SOMETHING.

WHAT ARE WE SAYING. LET'S HAVE IT READY I THINK SO APPLICATION PACKAGE.

IT ALLOWS US TO ALTER THE PACKAGE AS THINGS HAPPEN.

YEAH. BECAUSE MARGARET OR TAMMI, THIS IS THERESA, THE OTHER TAMMI THAT WAS SHE MADE YOU SHE OTHER TAMMI SHE TIME TRAVELED. YES SHE DID. IF WE DO START KIND OF TWEAKING THIS ON A QUARTERLY OR YEARLY BASIS, DOES EACH CHANGE THEN HAVE TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR THEIR FINAL APPROVAL, LIKE A PAB? YES, YES. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST ON THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL.

I THINK WHAT STAFF IS, IS TRYING TO REITERATE AND IS, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE BURDENSOME DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS.

[03:20:08]

I MEAN, JUST THAT APPLICATION REQUIREMENT SECTION IS VERY DETAILED.

AND YOU COULD REFER TO THAT AND HAVE THAT BECOME YOUR CHECKLIST.

OKAY. SO VERONICA, YOU HAD, WAS THERE ANOTHER ONE? THERE'S, AND THERE'S JUST ONE OTHER THING THAT I THINK, AND I'M SORRY, I KNOW IT'S LATE.

ONE MORE. I GOT ONE MORE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY.

IT IS PAGE PAGE 41. IT'S THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF EXISTING SIDING. IF YOU RECALL, A LITTLE WHILE BACK, WE HAD A PROJECT THAT CAME IN WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO RIP THE VINYL SIDING OFF OF THE BUILDING, AND WE WERE ASKED AND THEY WERE GOING TO PUT UP, I THINK, OH, IT COULD HAVE BEEN HARDIE HISTORIC BUILDING HAPPENS TO BE A BED AND BREAKFAST AND IS THIS THE BLUE HERON? YES, BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING BACK NEXT MONTH WITH THAT SAME CASE.

NO, I KNOW THAT. AND THAT'S AND I TOLD THEM DON'T DO THAT.

AND I KNOW AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK.

AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT WE NEED TO WE NEED TO STICK TO OUR GUNS, THAT THEY NEED TO SHOW THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S ORIGINAL SITE UNDERNEATH THERE, YOU CAN'T RIP IT OFF. SO I NEED WE NEED TO REWRITE THAT SOMEHOW.

SO THAT NEEDS TO GET I THINK SO ORIGINAL SITE IS UNDER THE.

I THINK THAT THERE MAY BE ORIGINAL SITE ONLY DEMONSTRATIVE OF ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY, I DON'T KNOW, PRESERVE HISTORIC SIDING AND EXTERIOR MATERIALS.

YEAH. THAT'S NOT MEET THAT INTENT. WELL AND MIA, TO YOUR POINT ON PAGE 41 AT THE TOP SIDING OVERVIEW.

YEAH THAT'S RETAIN AND MAINTAIN ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING PERIOD.

BUT YEP. AND THEN REPAIR OR REPLACE DAMAGED SECTIONS.

BUT THEN IT SAYS IF UNLESS IT'S BEEN UPDATED, IT SAYS AND CANNOT REPLACE THE NATURAL APPEARANCE OF REAL WOOD AND THEREFORE DISCOURAGED RETAINED IS NOT PERMITTED IN MY VERSION, THEN THEN IT'S THE NEW VERSION.

YOU UPDATED THAT THEN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YEAH, WE TOOK OUT NOT PERMITTED.

I MEAN, WE PUT IN NOT PERMITTED NATURAL APPEARANCE.

NOT AND THEREFORE NOT PERMITTED RETAIN AND MAINTAIN ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING PERIOD.

SO IS THAT THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. OKAY. YEAH.

SO WE HAVE ONE PLACE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO ADD THE WORDS DESIGN PROFESSIONAL.

AND THEY CAN CHOOSE TO INTERPRET THAT HOWEVER THEY WANT.

SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO REFERENCE THE CHECKLIST WITH REFERENCES. RIGHT? RIGHT. I THINK YEAH I DON'T THINK WE WERE GOING TO MAKE ANY. THIS PLACE IS THIS ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.

OKAY. SO KEEPING IN MIND THAT I WILL BE IN SANTA FE WHEN YOU'RE ALL REVIEWING THIS IN THE WINTER TIME.

SO ENJOY THAT CONVERSATION. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW, APPROVED AND SENT TO THE COMMISSION AND GET THE GRANT GIVEN.

CAN WE DO THAT? LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MONEY. I DON'T SEE WHY WE SHOULDN'T.

ALL RIGHT. IF WE MAKE CHANGES, WE HAVE TO GET THIS THING MOVING.

SO GO FOR IT. WHAT? THIS ISN'T EVEN A CASE, IS IT? MAKE A MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION UP ON THE BOARD.

OKAY, GOOD. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE 2026 UPDATE TO THE FERNANDINA BEACH HISTORIC DISTRICT.

DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES PER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SECTION 1.0600.

DOCUMENTS ADOPTED BY REFERENCE AND SECTION 8020 HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AS PRESENTED AND RECOMMEND ADOPTION TO THE CITY COMMISSION. I SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

MCKENNA. PLEASE CALL ME. IT WOULD BE MY PLEASURE.

MEMBERS. SURE. YES. MEMBER. KOSACK. OH. OH. OKAY.

OH! VIOLENT. YOU BROUGHT OUT VIOLENCE. MEMBERS.

OKAY. MEMBER. BURNS. YES. MEMBER. SALEH. OH, YES! AGAIN. DON'T PLAY WITH ME, SHERIF. FILKOFF. YES.

OKAY. SORRY. IT'S ADMINISTRATOR WILL BE VERY HAPPY.

CONGRATULATIONS, MIA. YOU GOT THAT ONE? VERY HAPPY.

IS THIS NOW GOING TO GO IN FRONT OF THE THE. THE COMMISSION? COMMISSION. WHEN WILL THAT HAPPEN? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT WAS ASKED THAT WE SHOW UP FOR THAT TO BE SUPPORTIVE.

SO WHEN DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT WILL BE ON. SO I HAVE NO IDEA.

I DIDN'T THINK THIS WOULD HAPPEN TONIGHT. OKAY.

THE CUT OFF FOR THE FOR THE MEETING FOR MAY 5TH IS TOMORROW.

OKAY. SO IT'LL PROBABLY BE JUNE 5TH IS OKAY. OKAY.

I THINK THE CUT OFF FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE AGENDA YOU CAN SEND IT TO US WHEN YOU KNOW.

YES. OF COURSE. OKAY, FOLKS. LET'S. LET'S. OKAY.

[03:25:03]

[7. STAFF REPORT]

DO YOU LIKE BREATHING? I HAD TO MENTION DRAWINGS FOR MY GRAVEL PATHWAY.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING. SO DOES EVERYBODY ELSE. I ACTUALLY HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION.

IT'S MORE WITH THESE PERMITS IN GENERAL. DO YOU GET MORE INFORMATION THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING OR.

YES, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YES. BECAUSE IT JUST IT'S IT'S I WOULD LOVE JUST TO SEE TO SEE IT, TO SEE THAT. I MEAN, IS IT POSSIBLE JUST TO ADD MORE INTO THAT? SO I HAD ASKED A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO IF YOU HAD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT COA'S AND YOU WANTED TO SEE THE APPLICATION MATERIAL.

I CAN PROVIDE THAT AHEAD OF TIME. I'D HATE TO ADD A COUPLE MORE HUNDRED PAGES TO THE AGENDA PACKET.

OH. UNDERSTOOD. WELL THAT'S PERFECT. ARE WE IN FOR BUSINESS? OUR AGENDA PACKET WAS 351 PAGES TONIGHT. I KNOW, THAT'S ALL LENGTHY.

OKAY, WELL, IS THERE SOME OTHER WAY WE CAN THINK OF? IS WOULD THEY ARE THEY AVAILABLE SOMEHOW ONLINE THAT WE COULD EACH GO LOOK AT IT, PROVIDE A LINK OR SOMETHING.

I CAN CREATE A LITTLE GOOGLE DRIVE AND PUT THEM IN EVERY MONTH AND KIND OF SEND THAT LINK OUT WITH THE AGENDA PACKET.

WOULD THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY? THAT WOULD WORK.

OKAY. SO IF IF THAT'S DOABLE, PLEASE LET US KNOW IF IT'S IF IT'S GOING TO ADD A WHOLE BUNCH TO YOUR.

I CAN DO THAT. OKAY. SO SHE SAID SHE COULD DO IT.

ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? MEETING ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THANKS. CAN I ASK?

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