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FOLKS WE CALL TO ORDER AT THIS TIME. THIS IS FERNANDINA BEACH REGULAR MEETING. TODAY IS NOVEMBER 19, 2019. IT IS 6:00 P.M. MADAM CLERK IF YOU COULD PLEASE CALL ROLE. IF WE COULD PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND REMAIN STANDING. THE INVOCATION WILL BE BY REAR REVEREND THOMPSON OF THE NEW ZION BAPTIST CHURCH.

>> LET US PRAY. OUR FATHER, OUR GOD, WE'VE COME TONIGHT TO TELL YOU THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE. WE THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW. AND TRULY WE THANK YOU FOR THAT THAT YOU WILL DO. LORD, WE THANK YOU RIGHT NOW FOR LIFE, HEALTH AND STRENGTH. WE THANK YOU FOR BEAUTIFUL FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. NOW, LORD, WE INVOKE YOUR PRESENCE HERE IN THIS MEETING OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH CITY COMMISSION. WE PRAY THAT YOU WILL LEAD AND GUIDE IN A MANNER THAT IS PLEASING. WE PRAY YOU ALLOW US TO REGARD EACH OTHER'S FEELINGS DURING THIS MEETING. AND FINALLY GOD BLESS FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA, AND GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF

AMERICA. AND ALL OF GODS PEOPLE SAID? >> AMEN.

MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR. WELL DONE AS USUAL. THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS TONIGHT, WE

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HAVE A PRESENTATION. THIS IS ITEM 4.1. A PRESENTATION BY PASSERO AND ASSOCIATES LLC.

THIS IS REGARDING THE SHORELINE STUDY. WELCOME SIR. >> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING.

ANDREW HOLESKO PROGRAM MANAGER FOR PASSERO ASSOCIATES. GOING TO GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE, STUDY PROGRESS. NO DELIVERABLES. IT'S REALLY JUST TO RECAP OUR MEETINGS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS BACK IN SEPTEMBER AND LET YOU KNOW WHERE THEY'RE -- WE'RE HEADED. OKAY WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR SCOPING IN MEETING WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. WE DO HAVE OUR--

>> I WILL CONTROL THE SLIDES FROM HERE. >> SPEAKER: YOU ARE GOING TO?

>> YES GOING TO LEAVE THIS SCREEN AND GO OVER TO A YOUTUBE VIDEO. SO, IF YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT OR DO

YOU WANT TO DO THAT? >> YOU CAN PROBABLY DO THAT. IF YOU HAVE IT ON THE COMPUTER.

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. I CAN LOOK AT YOU AND GIVE YOU THE DING.

>> WE'LL FIGURE THAT 1 OUT. >> SPEAKER: OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU OUR BASE MAP WHICH IS COMPLETE. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE STABILIZATION ALTERNATIVES AND WHERE WE ARE ON THAT. TALK ABOUT ELEVATIONS AND OPT OPTIONS WHICH HAVE ALL BEEN DISCUSSED WITH COMMISSIONERS AND CITY STAFF. THEN HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. SO BACK ON SEPTEMBER 9TH, MEETING ME AND CHRIS AND HARRISON MET WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE CITY MANAGER AND ENGINEER TO CONFIRM THE SCOPE AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING DO IN THE RIVERFRONT STUDY. THIS IS MORE OF AN ENGINEERING STUDY. IT'S INTENDED TO ESTABLISH A FLOOD PROTECTION LINE ALL THE WAY FROM THE PORT AUTHORITY TO REAGANER.

WE DID A TOP 10 OF -- I'M GOING TO READ ALONG WITH YOU SO I CAN SEE. SO I SUMMARIZED THE TOP 10 OF THE MEETING FROM THAT DAY. SO, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS WITH INPUT FROM CITY MANAGER, CITY ENGINEER AND THE 5 COMMISSIONERS. NUMBER 1. THESE ARE THE FOCUS AREAS TO MAKE SURE THE CONFIRMATION SIDE THE STUDY. CONSIDERING ELEVATION SCENARIOS OF TIDES, SURGE AND SEA LEVEL RISE. NUMBER 2. MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE COORDINATING OUR STUDY WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AND OTHER STORM WATER INVESTMENTS DOWNTOWN. NUMBER 3. COMMUNICATE AND COMPARE ELEVATION AND PROTECTION TO COSTS THAT ARE REASONABLE AND REALISTIC FOR THE CITY. NUMBER 4. REVIEW PROTECTED ELEVATION ALTERNATIVES TO PROTECT THE 7 FEET, 8 FEET AND 9 FEET MSL.

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NUMBER 5. END THE STUDY WITH REASONABLE COST OPTIONS THAT BALANCE BENEFITS AND COSTS.

NUMBER 6. DETERMINE THE SOURCE OF THE EROSION ADJACENT TO LANDSIDE AREAS ON THE BULKHEADS ARE ALSO A CONCERN. FIND OUT WHAT AND WHY AND GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS BEHIND THE BULKHEADS AND THE PARKING LOTS AND FIND OUT WHY THEY'RE SINKING. NUMBER 7. REVIEW THE HISTORICAL SHORELINE TO GET THE MOST VALUE AND USE OF THE LAND. WHICH INCLUDES POSSIBLY MOVING BULKHEADS THAT ARE LONG GONE AND SUSTAINING ADDITIONAL -- ESTABLISHING LAND PHYSICAL BOUNDARIES INTO THE WATER. NUMBER 8. DETERMINE IF AND WHERE LIVING SHORELINES CAN WORK OR NOT IN THAT 1 MILE STRETCH. NUMBER 9. GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS TO BOTH CITY AND PRIVATE PROPERTIES. AND THAT GUIDANCE GOES THE CITY NOT TO PRIVATE RESIDENTS BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PRIVATE PROPERTIES ALONG THAT 1 MILE STRETCH SO THE STUDY SCOPE TOSS ADDRESS CITY LAND AND PRIVATE LAND ALONG THE 1 MILE SECTION. NUMBER 10. TO SUPPORT PROPOSED LAND SITE AND LAND USES THAT ARE ACTIVE. WE STARTED THE STUDY, IT WAS VERY CLEAR IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE COMMISSIONERS THAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE THE FLOOD PROTECTION LINE, INSIDE THE BULKHEADS, INSIDE THE WALKWAYS THERE'S GOING TO BE ACTIVE UTESES, ACTIVE PUBLIC USES AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE END OF OUR STUDY NEED TO SUPPORT THAT.

SO, THAT IS MY TOP 10 MAP FOR SEPTEMBER. I WANTED TO PAUSE THERE AND FIND OUT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT TOP 10 FROM OUR MEETINGS? ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR MIND RIGHT HERE AND NOW ON THAT TOP 10 OR DID WE HIT IT PRETTY WELL?

MAYOR MILLER: I SEE NON-. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. I ADDED A SLIDE BUILDING -- MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHY DID YOU

PICK 7, 8 AND 9 AS OPPOSED TO 7I9 AND 12? >> SPEAKER: JUST LOOKING AT HISTORICAL LEVELS AND TRYING TO BE REASONABLE WHAT THE DOCUMENTED ELEVATIONS HAD BEEN.

7 IS WHERE PARKING LOT A IS RIGHT NOW. AND 9 IS WHERE WATER IS HEADED DOWN CENTER STREET A FEW BLOCKS IN. DIDN'T GO BEYOND THAT. USED THOSE AS OUR PARAMETERS.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: 9 FEET WOULD BE DORA AND 5 FEET IS KING TIDE. 7 WOULD BE MATTHEW AND 9 WOULD

BE DORA? >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. WE DID LOOK AT THE 5, 10, 25 AND 100 YEAR STORM EVENTS. STUDY EXCLUSIONS. FIRST IS MINOR BUILDING ON THE LAST SLIDE THAT IT IS OUR CLEAR ASSIGNMENT FROM YOU THAT THE RESULTS OF OUR STUDY WILL SUPPORT PROPOSED LANDSLIDE AND ACTIVE LAND USES. THE INTENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AERIAL -- I WANTED TO MAKE SHCLEAR BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER AND I DISCUSSED THIS FROM THE START OF OUR SCOPE. I'M QUOTING LITERALLY THE LINE INSIDE PASSERO SCOPE. THE SPECIFIC NATURE PROPOSED IN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE RIVERFRONT IS NOT WITHIN OUR STUDY. THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON -- WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT OF FRONT STREET, THAT IS NOT IN THE PASSERO STUDY. WE'RE AT THE WATERLINE. THE FLOOD PROTECTION LINE. I'M JUST REMINDING US ALL THAT'S THE ASSIGNMENT TO PASSERO. THE ENGINEERING STUDY. NEXT, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BECAUSE WHAT'S ON MY COMPUTER SCREEN ISN'T ON YOURS.

>> I MIGHT BE ABLE TO SWITCH IT. HANG ON. YOURS IS LOADED ON THAT COMPUTER?

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> WHY DON'T WE HAVE WHAT YOU HAVE?

>> SPEAKER: WHEN I LOADED IT THE QUICK TIME PLAYER DID NOT OPERATE. THEN I WENT TO YOUTUBE

TO PULL DOWN THE VIDEO. >> OKAY. WE FLEW OUR DRONE AND UPDATED THE BASE MAP FOR THIS PROJECT. WE JUST THOUGHT WE'D SHOW YOU A QUICK CLIP SO YOU CAN SEE THE USE OF THE NEW TECHNOLOGY CREATED SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROJECT. THIS IS THE ACTUAL DRONE FLIGHT. SO NOW WE

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CAN GO BACK TO THE-- >> OKAY I CAN RUN IT. LET ME SWITCH BACK.

>> SPEAKER: SO THE DRONE FLIGHTS CREATE THIS NEW 3 DIMENSIONAL MAP WHICH IS MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF 3 DIMENSIONAL POINTS THROUGH THE DIFFERENT FLIGHTS. SPECIFICALLY CREATED JUST FOR THIS PROJECT. SO, NEXT 1 DOWN. PROJECT AREA FROM THE RIGHT IS THE PORT AUTHORITY. OBVIOUSLY ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT IS RAINIER. THE BOAT RAMPS, PARKING LOT A, B, C AND D. NOTE WORTHY AREAS INSIDE THE BASE MAP. THERE'S A LOW POINT RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE PORT IN ELEVATION 5. THERE'S AN ELEVATION 5 AT THE CITY FUTURIO PROPERTY THE CITY PURCHASED.

THE PARKING LOT A IS IN THE MIDDLE. WHICH IS ELEVATION 7. BOAT RAMP IS BETWEEN 5 AND 6 AND THERE'S A LOW AREA ON THE AREA SOUTH OF THE CITY LAND. JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME ELEVATIONS WHERE THINGS ARE. SO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PROTECTING TO ELEVATION 7, 8 AND 9 AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S OUT THERE YOU REALIZE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE 2 FEET, 3 FEET, 4 FEET OF ADDITIONAL FLOOD PROTECTION AT NUMEROUS POINTS ALONG THE RIVERFRONT. NEXT PLEASE. THE BLUE LINE IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING OUR FLOOD PROTECTION LINE. 7, 8 AND 9 GOING FROM END TO END FOR THE 1 MILE STRETCH. NEXT PLEASE. THAT'S THE STABILIZATION GOAL WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A VISUALIZATION THAT SHOWS FLOODWATERS COMING IN UNDER THE EXISTING CONDITIONS TO 7, 8 AND 9 THEN WITH ALTERNATIVES OF PROTECTION AT 7, 8 AND 9 AND WHERE THE WATER GOES. ALL THAT IS BEING BUILT ON THE BASE MAP.

NEXT PLEASE. THERE'S 3 SAMPLE SOLUTIONS. THEY'RE TO BUILD A BULKHEAD TO DO REBUTMENT OR A LIVING STABILIZED SHORELINE. THERE'S ALSO NEW NUANCES THAT COULD BE ON ANY OF THE 3. AND THAT IS THE USE OF FLOOD PROTECTION STRUCTURES AND ELEVATED BULKHEAD THAT MIGHT HAVE MULTI-USES OR TIMBER AND CONCRETE WALKWAYS WHICH WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S GOING BE ACTIVE USES ALL ALONG THAT 1 MILE STRETCH. THERE WILL BE TIMBER AND CONCRETE WALKWAYS.

NEXT. THAT IS A PICTURE OF THE BULKHEAD IN PARKING LOT A LOOKING TO THE SOUTH. HERE'S WHAT'S IN THE BACK GROANED. THE TIMBER WALKWAY ENDS HERE. THERE'S A CONCRETE CAP ON TOP OF 50 FOOT STEEL SHEET PILE. THAT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE OPTION OF BULKHEADING. THAT'S WHAT EXISTS IN PARKING LOT A RIGHT NOW. NEXT. A PICTURE OF A REBUTMENT PROJECT IN ST. O JOHNS COUNTY. IT IS THE USE OF CONCRETE ALONG THE SHORELINE. IT'S NOT A BULKHEAD YOU WOULD PULL A BOAT UP TO. IT IS A MORE GRADUAL STABILIZATION OF THE SHORELINE. AND HERE'S A NEW LIVING SHORELINE. AGAIN, ALSO IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. PASS SARO HELPED -- PASSERO HELPED OUR CLIENT CREATE THIS SHORELINE. YOU CAN SEE THE OYSTER BEDS. IT'S REALLY GRADUAL BUT ALSO VERY STRONG. NEXT PHASE OF THE STUDY WILL BE ACTUAL TECHNICAL REPORT. VISUALIZATION OF MEETINGS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ENGINEER AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A SIMILAR CONVERSATION 1-ON-1 WITH EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS. THEN WE'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC AND PRESENT THE RESULTS. MARE THANK YOU SIR. ANY QUESTIONS? VICE MAYOR KREGER: WHEN YOU USE SEA LEVEL WHICH IS PROBABLY 3 FEET BELOW A 6 FOOT TIDE YOU ALMOST HAVE TO GO TO 9 IN MY OPINION BECAUSE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE CORPS OF ENGINEER OF ADDING 3 FEET SEA LEVEL RISE. BUT MY REAL CONCERN IS ALLIGATOR CREEK TO THE NORTH OF THE PORT WHICH COMES BACK AROUND AND ACTUALLY COMES IN AND

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RUNS FLOOD THIS WAY. IT'S SOMETHING I I ASSUME YOU ARE LOOKING AT THAT AND HOW WE HANDLE THAT. WON'T DO ANY US GOOD TO HAVE 9 FEET HERE AND HAVE IT COMING THIS WAY. AND IT

WILL AT 9 FEET. >> SPEAKER: DID WE DRONE MAP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PORT OR DO

WE END ON THE SOUTH SIDE? >> WE GOT ABOUT HALF OF THAT. WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK AND GET THE REST OF THE MAPPING. VICE MAYOR KREGER: I THINK YOU NEED TO. WE'RE MORE VULNERABLE AROUND FROM THAT SIDE THERE THAN WE ARE OVER HERE. OR AS VULNERABLE.

>> SPEAKER: GOT IT. GOT IT. MAYOR MILLER: MR. ROSS YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: I KNOW YOU CAN'T GIVE A SPECIFIC ANSWER TO THIS, BUT WHAT IS THE RANGE IN COSTS FOR THE THINGS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING IN THE CITY FOR STORM WATER PROTECTION HERE?

>> SPEAKER: STORM WATER PROTECTION? THE FLOOD PLAN PROTECTION? IF THE INTENT IS TO PROTECT 9 FEET WITH THE LARGEST MAGNITUDE OF COST WITH HEAVY DUTY BULKHEADS, IN EXCESS OF $10 MILLION. IT'S PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THE LINEAR FOOTAGE AND THE NUMBERS. WE'RE ABSOLUTELY GOING TO HAVE IT FOR YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING. BUT IT'S DEFINITELY AT THAT OR GREATER THAN THAT NUMBER. COMMISSIONER ROSS: BUT THAT'S

FOR BULKHEADS? AND WHEN YOU GO TO RE -- >> SPEAKER: INCREMENTALLY IT WILL FALL AND IT WILL FALL WITH ELEVATION CHANGES FROM 9 TO 8 TO 7. SOME OF THE AREAS SUCH AS PARKING LOT D, PARKING LOT D IS ALREADY AT 7 OR 8. IT NEEDS ALMOST NO IMPROVEMENT. IT NEEDS MINIMAL IF ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO PROTECT 7 OR 8 TODAY AS WELL AS PARKING LOT A.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: I'M HESITANT TO ASK MY QUESTION BECAUSE YOU MADE IT REALLY SPECIFIC YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAND WARD SIDE. BUT YOU HAVE DONE PARKS AND OTHER PLACES IN A SIMILAR MAGNITUDE. AND FOR SORT OF LIKE THE ST. MARYS PARK SCENARIO, YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PARK ON ST. MARYS. WHAT SORT OF BALLPARK FIGURE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE LAND WARD -- I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SEA WALL CORRECTION. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ROADS BUT JUST THE PARK PART OF IT? I MEAN, WHAT'S A BALLPARK? ARE WE TALKING A MILLION, 2 MILLION?

>> SPEAKER: UNDER MY EXCLUSION, NO. UM, NOT INCLUDING ANY OF THE FLOOD LINE PROTECTION.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: AND NOT INCLUDING MOVING THE ROADS. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT A SANDWICH

THING. THE DELI MEAT IN BETWEEN. >> SPEAKER: IT'S HARD TO GIVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER, BUT, I MEAN, I EXPECT -- COMMISSIONER ROSS: A BALLPARK.

>> SPEAKER: BASED ON THE CONCEPTS IN THE PAST GOING BACK OVER A DECADE, I AM ASSUMING THAT'S GOING TO BE A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT. COMMISSIONER ROSS: MEANING 3, 4,

5? >> SPEAKER: I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S THAT HIGH.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: OKAY THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER: TO BUILD ON COMMISSIONER ROSS'S QUESTION, TODAY IS THE FIRST TIME WE BROUGHT TOGETHER THE 3 CONSULTANTS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OR BRINGING TOGETHER TO WORK ON THE WATERFRONT. THE MEAT OF THE SANDWICH AS WELL AS THE BREAD OF THE SANDWICH AS MR. ROSCOE INDICATED. HE IS HANDLING THE SHRLINE. I ALSO HAVE MR. JEFFRY FROM AIR ASSOCIATES. THEY'RE TASKED WITH WORK ON THE ALIGNMENT AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE ROAD. AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM LATTIMER AND HALLBECK. THEY WORK IN PARK COMPONENT. SO, TODAY WAS THE FIRST FACE-TO-FACE MEETING THAT WE HAD TO BUILD UPON THE CONCEPTS THAT YOU HAVE OUTLINED. WE'LL GET TOGETHER AGAIN IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER AND LIKELY PREPARE SOME PRELIMINARY EARLY CONCEPTUALS FOR YOU FOR ALL 3 OF THOSE AREAS AT THE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED SESSION AT THE END OF JANUARY.

MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR. VICE MARE KREGER YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR? VICE MAYOR KREGER: I KNOW YOU ARE RELUCTANT TO TALK ABOUT MONEY AND I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. I WILL REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE A $970,000 ESTIMATE FOR THE SEAWALL JUST IN PARKING LOT B FROM APM. ALSO WE CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT A $5.8 MILLION LIVING SHORE BULKHEAD FOR A, B, C AND D WHICH IS ABOUT $5.8 MILLION. SO, YOU

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MAY BE LOW. AND THAT'S A COMBINATION OF LIVING SHORELINE AND BULKHEAD. BUT I WOULDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT NUMBERS IF I WERE YOU

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S WHY I SAID 10 OR HIGHER. MAYOR MILLER: ANYONE ELSE? THANK

YOU VERY MUCH. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. MAYOR MILLER: GOING TO ITEM 4.2.

THIS IS A BUDGET SUMMARY FOR OUR COMPTROLLER MISS PAULINE TESTAGROSE. ANY QUESTIONS

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REGARDING THE SUMMARY FOR OCTOBER OF 2019. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MA'AM.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. PAULINE TESTAGROSE CITY COMPT COMPTROLLER. OCTOBER IS THE FIRST FOR 8.3% OF THE BUDGETED FISCAL YEAR. FOR THE GENERAL FUND YEAR-TO-DATE REVENUE IS AT 4.2% OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET. THIS IS DUE TO THE TIMING OF THE PROPERTY TAX RECEIPTS. YEAR-TO-DATE GENERAL FUND EXPENSES ARE UP 10.4% OF THE BUDGET. THIS IS DUE TO THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS. ALL INTERFUND TRANSFERS FOR THE MONTH HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. THE TRANSFER TO THE LAND CONSERVATION TRUST FUND HAS BEEN MADE FOR THE FULL AMOUNT. THE SEMI ANNUAL INTEREST PAVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE ON THE G. O. BOND WITH THE CAPITAL FUNDS ENCUMBRANCES ARE BEING ISSUED. THE GOLF COURSE REVENUES EXCEED EXPENSES DUE TO ANNUAL MEMBERSHIPS. AIRPORT REVENUES EXCEED EXPENSES PRIMARILY DUE TO LEASE REVENUES. ALL UTILITY FUNDS REVENUES EXCEED EXPENSES FOR THE MONTH. AND THE MARINA CONTINUES TO HAVE LIMITED OPERATIONS FROM HURRICANES MATTHEW AND IRMA. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SURE.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: CAN YOU PUT THAT SLIDE UP? >> THE IMPACT FEES? COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES, SIR. I JUST HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PARK AND REC IMPACT FEE FUND.

BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO COME UP LATER THIS EVENING AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MY NUMBERS ARE CORRECT. SO THAT'S THE -- CAN YOU MAKE IT A LITTLE BIGGER? ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE PARKS AND REC IMPACT FEE FUND. ANDS THAT THE MONEY. AND CURRENTLY THE CASH BALANCE IS ABOUT $2.5 MILLION. AND IN THE NEXT -- THAT'S CORRECT RIGHT? AND THE NEXT NUMBER IS $1.4 MILLION IS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING AND THAT'S A PLUS OR MINUS NUMBER THAT'S LIKELY TO

COME IN OVER THE NEXT YEAR; CORRECT? >> CORRECT COMMISSIONER ROSS: OVER THE YEARS AS THIS NUMBER IS GOING TO GO DOWN PROBABLY BECAUSE AS THERE'S LESS AND LESS BEING BUILT IN THE CITY AND LESS AND LESS SUBDIVISIONS BECAUSE THERE'S NO MORE LAND AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, THIS NUMBER OVER THE YEARS IS GOING TO GO DOWN;

IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT

>> ALL RIGHT. IF WE TAKE THESE 2 NUMBERS AND SPEND ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF THAT, AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR WE'D HAVE $4 MILLION IN THE FUND THAT WE COULD BUILD A WATERFRONT PARK WITH IS THAT

CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> BUT OUT OF THAT FUND WE'VE ALREADY -- THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY WE'RE GOING TO ACQUIRE, THE SIMMONS PROPERTY, AND THAT'S $900,000 AND THAT'S ALREADY BUDGET FORD THIS YEAR. SO, IF WE BUY THAT PARCEL, WHICH WE NEED TO DO, THE WATERFRONT PARK AT THE END OF THE YEAR WE WOULD HAVE $3.1 MILLION; IS THAT

CORRECT >> CORRECT. >> SO IN THE BUDGET ALREADY THIS YEAR WHAT'S BUDGETED AND I DIDN'T REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS AND THIS IS 1 OF OUR GOALS WAS TO MAV A WATERFRONT PARK. TO HAVE THE PARK YOU GOT TO HAVE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT. ALL THESE NUMBERS RIGHT HERE IF YOU ADD THEM UP COME TO $2.2 MILLION. THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT 1 OF THEM IS THE SIMMONS ROAD PARK. 1 IS RETRO LIGHT PARK IN BUCCANEER FIELD WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT. SO WE SPEND ALL OF THIS MONEY AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE MAIN BEACH PARK WHICH IS $275,000 BUT WE'VE ASKED -- YOU SENT THE LETTER TO THE TDC? AND IT'S LIKELY THAT TDC WILL PAY FOR THIS. SO WE TAKE OUT THAT $275,000 -- IF WE HAD TO SPEND ALL THE MONEY, ALL WE'D HAVE LEFT OVER AT THE END OF THE YEAR WOULD BE $800,000 FOR A PARK AS OPPOSED TO $4 MILLION. AND THE TOTAL AMOUNT EXPENDED, IF WE SPEND ALL OF THIS MONEY ON ALL THESE THINGS, WHICH ARE NOT A PRIORITY IN OUR PRIORITIES, IT WOULD BE $2.3 MILLION; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT. THANKS. MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. VICE MAYOR KREGER: ALL OF THOSE WERE IN OUR BUDGET AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WHICH WAS REVIEWED BY 2 COMMITTEES AND APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. AND THEY ALL -- THEY MAY NOT BE OUR COMMISSION. BUT THEY'RE GOALS ESTABLISHED BY PRIORITIZED AND

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MANY ON WHICH SAFETY AND WE'LL GET TO LATER WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE 2 PROPERTY AND THE POTENTIAL. AND I AGREE.

IT'S GOING TO GO DOWN. BUT AS I SAY, THESE WERE ALL IN THERE AND WE CAN ALL -- WE ALL SAW THE BUDGET AND CAN SEE WHAT THE PRIORITIES WERE AND THEY WERE REVIEWED BY PROFESSIONAL COMMITTEE AND PLANNING ADVISORY AND APPROVED BY US. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO. IF IT'S SUGGESTION, YOU HAVEN'T SUGGESTED ANYTHING SO I'LL WAIT.

MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS? COMMISSIONER ROSS: I AM NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING AT THE MOMENT. WHAT I AM SAYING IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A WATERFRONT PARK AND SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, YOU NEED MEDICINE SOMETIMES THE PATIENT COMES IN AND THEY HAVE A COUGH AND YOU THINK, OH THEY HAVE BRONCHITIS. BUT YOU GET A LITTLE MORE DATA LIKE A CHEST X-RAY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY HAVE LUNG CANCER. SO THE TREATMENT'S RADICALLY DIFFERENT. SO, AS YOU GET MORE INFORMATION I CHANGE MY MIND. ALL I'M SAYING IS WE HAVE $4 MILLION IN THE BANK AND WE HAVE NO FUND TO PAY FOR WATERFRONT PARK OTHERWISE. AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. I'M NOT ADVOCATING ANYTHING. THESE ARE THE NUMBERS. AND WE JUST NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE NUMBERS.

MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU MS. TESTAGROSE. ITEM 5 PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON

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THE AGENDA OR ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I HAVE A COUPLE OF REQUESTS TO SPEAK HERE. IS IT 2? MR. MACK AMORRIS. STATE YOUR NAME AND I A DRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES.

>> SPEAKER: MACK MORRIS. 821 PARKVIEW. MR. HOLESKO IS A REFOUND EXPERT IN HIS -- REFOUND EXPERT IN HIS FIELD. HE DOES CONSULT ANTSY ACROSS THE STATION FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. YOU CANNOT GET A BETTER ENGINEER ON THAT. MY SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE FOR THE CITY COMMISSION FOR MAYBE GIVING HIM SOME OTHER CONCEPTS TO LOOK AT. 1 OF THE LOW POINTS ON HIS 3D MAPPING WAS THE ESTUARY. AT THE SOUTH END. PARKING LOT D, YOU HAVE THE GRAVEL LOT IS HIGH, BUT ON THE SOUTH END THAT COULD FLOOD IN BEHIND IT. CONSIDER PUTTING IN A BULKHEAD FROM -- DOWN ALONG THE SHORELINE AROUND BEHIND THE ESTUARY CLOSER TO THE ROAD AND THEN COMING ALONG. AND THAT PARDONS THAT WHOLE AREA FROM FLOODING. AND FROM SEEING MARINAS AND WATERFRONTS IN OTHER CITIES AND OTHER COUNTRIES, I WOULD RECOMMEND THE PLAN THAT I SUBMITTED TO THIS -- ABOUT 6 CITY COMMISSIONS AGO. WHICH IS MR. HOLESKO TOUCHED ON. A BULKHEAD FROM COOK TO THE PORTS HIGH ENOUGH TO STOP THE KING TIDES WITH STORM SURGE AND HAVE A PUBLIC PATHWAY THERE WHICH INCREASES THE VALUE OF THE LAND. SO, PEOPLE WILL COME IN AND INVEST IN IT AND IT WILL IMPROVE THE WATERFRONT ORGANICALLY AND NATURALLY WITHOUT THE CITY HAVING TO DO MUCH MORE THAN THAT. YOU CAN DO IT IN INCREMENTS SO THAT YOU CAN GET THE FUNDING FOR IT. SO, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT AS A $15 MILLION PROJECT. IT CAN BE DONE IN INCREMENTS FROM COOKS TO THE NORTH END OF THE MARINA. THEN THE NEXT TRANCHE. ALL THE WAY DOWN. DO IT IN 500, 1,000 FOOT SEGMENTS UNTIL IT'S DONE. ALLIGATOR CREEK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ON THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEER REPORT AS YOU SUGGESTED COMMISSIONER OR IF IT WAS IN THE NOAA PREDICTIONS OF FLOODS DURING THE LAST HURRICANE WE HAD HERE. IT SHOWED ALLIGATOR CREEK FLOODING COMING IN TOWARDS AND RIGHT INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THAT WAS A BIG SURPRISE TO ME. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT COULD HAPPEN. SO THAT -- YOU RAISED A VALID POINT ABOUT HAVING THAT LOOKED AT AND HARDENED WHICH CAN BE DONE ALONG THE ROAD. JUST OFF A LITTLE BIT. PUT IN A HARDENED BULKHEAD TO STOP THE FLOODING. BECAUSE WE'VE ALL SEEN IT AT HIGH TIDES FLOODING ACROSS THE ROAD. JUST SUGGESTIONS LIKE THAT ON THE SHORELINE. I DON'T RECOMMEND HAVING A LIVING SHORELINE ANYWHERE NEAR THE MARINA. WHY? BECAUSE FROM MY STUDIES AS A MARINE BIOLOGY MAJOR THAT CREATES TURBULENCE. IT SLOWS DOWN THE WATER CURRENT. WHEN IT SLOWS DOWN IT DROPS SEDIMENT.

WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP SEDIMENT MOVING. SO, BULKHEADS KEEP THE WATER FLOWING FASTER THAN HAVING A ROUGH TEXTURED RIFFRAFF OR BLOCKS. AS FAR AS THE MARINA CONCERNED A HARDENED BULKHEAD

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MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. THANK YOU MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU. MR. PAUL LORD?

>> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. PAUL WARD, 2794 CALIFORNIA FROM EARLIER. GOOD EVENING. HERE AGAIN TO TALK ABOUT BEACH PARKING SINCE IT CAME UP AT THE LAST COMMISSIONERS MEETING. AS YOU ALL KNOW WE CONTINUE TO ASK TO ADVOCATE THAT WE DON'T IMPLEMENT PAID BEACH PARKING AT OUR BEACHES. I JUST WANT TO RELAY JUST 1 OBSERVATION THAT I HAD THIS WEEKEND IN REFERENCE TO IF THERE IS ANY POTENTIAL FOR PAID BEACH PARKING. THIS WEEKEND THE WEATHER WAS REAL BAD. IT WAS CLOUDY. IT WAS COLD. THERE WEREN'T VET MANY PEOPLE ON THE BEACH. AND I BELIEVE IT WAS A SUNDAY THAT I WENT SURFING. IT WAS TOWARDS THE END OF THE DAY. AND 1 THING THAT I OBSERVED WHEN I GOT OUT OF THE WATER AND WAS JUST STANDING ON THE BEACH, THERE WERE -- AND I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT COUNT BUT I THINK IN THAT MAIN BEACH PARKING LOT THERE'S MAYBE VERY MANY BEACH GOERS. SO I CAN ONLY ASSUME AND I'M ONLY ASSUMING THAT A MAJORITY OF THE PARKING FOR THE BEACH PARKING WAS REALLY PROBABLY TO SUPPORT GOING OUT TO EAT. SO I GUESS MY POINT IS, I WOULD JUST, AGAIN, ASK THE COMMISSION TO WAVE A CAUTION FLAG AND TO SEE FIRST MAYBE WHO IS EXACTLY USING THE BEACH AT TMES. BECAUSE ON THAT DAY, IF WE CHARGED FOR PAID BEACH PARKING, WE REALLY WOULDN'T BE CHARGING REALLY THE BEACH OWNERS. SO, AGAIN IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

PARKING IN RELATIVE TO THE MARINA, I'M HOPING THAT A BALANCED SOLUTION SOMEHOW CAN BE FOUND AS MUCH AS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A BEAUTIFUL PARK AND GREEN SPACE, I WOULD ALSO ADVOCATE THAT THERE WOULD BE A BALANCE. THAT MARINA NEEDS THE OPPORTUNITY TO FLOURISH AND I THINK THE PARTNERS THAT WORK THE BUSINESSES OUT OF THE MARINA AS WELL AS BOAT OWNERS NEED THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SEE HOW THE MARINA IS GOING TO FLOURISH. IN SHORT I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION A QUESTION. HAVE WE DONE GOING BACK TO THE PAID BEACH PARKING. HAVE WE EVER DONE A SURVEY ON

WHO USES THOSESTALLS? >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT GOT INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.

>> SPEAKER: I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY TAKE THAT TIME TO LOOK AT THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR. MR. ROSS YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. COMMISSIONER ROSS: THAT STUDY WAS DONE BY THE TDC. ABOUT A THIRD OF THE PEOPLE LIVE HERE AND 20 PERCENT WERE TOURISTS AND THE REST COME FROM NASSAU COUNTY. THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS WE ALREADY HAVE PAID BEACH PARKING. THE CITIZENS WHO PAY OUR CITY TAXES PAID FOR THAT PARKING. SO WE HAVE PAID BEACH PARKING. SO THE REALLY QUESTION IS WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE PARKING. AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO SPREAD THAT PAIN, NOT PAIN BUT THAT RESPONSIBILITY OF MAINTAINING THAT PARKING LOT, OF POLICING IT, KEEPING IT CLEAN, AND DOING ALL THOSE THINGS. RIGHT NOW THE CITY RESIDENTS PAID FOR THAT.

WE HAVE PAID BEACH PARKING. SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES PARTICULARLY GOING TO THE COUNTY OF FIGURING OUT HOW WE CAN GET THEM TO HELP US WITH PAYING FOR THE PARKING.

THANK YOU. MAYOR MILLER: MR. JAMES MONSIER. WELCOME SIR.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS -- JAMES 97144 WOODSTOCK LANE FERNANDINA BEACH.

I'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS ON THE MARINA PARK. MY NAME IS JAMES. I HAVE BEEN THE BATON CLUB PRESIDENT FROM THE INCEPTION IN 2010 UNTIL THIS YEAR. IN THAT TIME THE CLUB HAS GROWN FROM 23 FOUNDING MEMBERS TO BE THE LARGEST CLUB IN THE UNITED STATES WITH MORE THAN 130 MEMBERS. IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, THE AMELIA ISLAND CLUB HAS HELD THE LARGEST BATON TOURNAMENT IN THE COUNTRY EACH OF THOSE YEARS IN PARKING LOTS C AND D. AS FAR AS THE MATTER ON

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THE TABLE, YOU ARE PLANNING TO CONSTRUCT A WATERFRONT PARK BASED ON THE SPECULATION HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WILL USE THE FACILITY EACH YEAR. IN THE MEANTIME, EVERY EXISTING INTEREST GROUP WILL BE DISRUPTED AND POSSIBLY ANNUAL EVENTS WILL BE SACRIFICED. THE RESTAURANTS AND MERCHANTS, THE COMMUNITY FISHERMEN, THE COMMERCIAL FISHERMEN AND TOUR CRUISES, MARINA ACTIVITIES SUCH AS BOAT SLIP RENTALS, PARKING FOR ANNUAL EVENTS LIKE THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING, NEW YEAR'S EVE AND OTHER DOWNTOWN EVENTS LIKE SOUNDS ON CENTER AND BATON CLUB ACTIVITIES AND THE ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENT WOULD BE NEGATIVELY EFFECTED.

ACCORDING TO THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL, IN 2018 THERE WAS JUST UNDER A $2 MILLION ECONOMIC IMPACT TO AMELIA ISLAND FROM THE INTERNATIONAL BATON TOURNAMENT.

THAT WOULD DISAPPEAR IF YOU ALTER PARKING LOTS C AND D. LASTLY, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES IN ALL THE LOTS COMBINED IS AT A MINIMUM. ANY OF THE PROPOSALS WOULD TAKE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THOSE SPACES AWAY. WHERE ARE ALL THE IMAGINARY PEOPLE ON THE ARCHITECTS RENDERINGS GOING TO PARK? IF THEY HAVE TO WALK A BLOCK OR 2, WILL THEY WALK TO THE PARK? I ASK: DOESN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE? THE WAY THINGS ARE AT PRESENT HAVE HARMONIOUSLY BEEN WORKING WELL. IN ADDITION THE EXISTING AREA HAPPENS TO INCLUDE A GREEN PARK LIKE AREA ADJACENT TO PARKING LOTS C AND DID WHICH HAS A QUAINT BOARDWALK ALONG THE RIVER WHERE VISITORS CAN DO VIRTUALLY ANYTHING THEY CAN DO IN A LAVISH PARK.

WOULDN'T IT BE WISER TO SPEND THE CITY'S DOLLARS ON NECESSARY COMMUNITY REPAIRS SUCH AS DETERIORATED BEACH WALKWAYS? REPAIRS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO SUCH AMENITY FIES AFFECT MANY MORE RESIDENTS THAT THOSE THAT MAY USE THIS PARK. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR.

COMMISSIONER ROSS YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. COMMISSIONER ROSS: FIRST OF ALL I'M IN THE BATON CORPS BUT I PLAYED THIS WEEKEND AND THIS IS THE MAN THAT MADE IT HAPPEN.

KUDOS TO YOU BECAUSE HE DOES A FANTASTIC JOB. I WOULD PLAY AGAINST HIM ANY TIME.

SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN DOWNTOWN. FDOT HAS DECIDED THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE ASH STREET AND WE'RE GOING CHANGE CENTER STREET AND PUT IN NEW CROSSINGS. THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN REGARDLESS. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, FRONT STREET IS GOING GET PUSHED TO THE WEST. AND I THINK THE CONSULTANT HAS LEFT, BUT THAT'S THE REALITY. 1 OF THE MONUMENTS THAT SITS AT THE END OF CENTER STREET IS PROBABLY GOING TO GET PUSHED WEST. WHEN WE PUT IN A SEAWALL PROTECTION, THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN. SO, SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN THERE REGARDLESS. I WOULD SAY AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO BUT THE PLANS THAT I'VE SEEN, THIS WHOLE THING CAN BE PARKING NEUTRAL AND HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT IS THERE NOW AND STILL HAVE A VERY WONDERFUL EXPANSIVE WATERFRONT PARK. YOU MAY HAVE TO WALK A LITTLE BIT BUT THERE ARE WAYS OF MANAGING PARKING. SO ON THE SAME SIDE O THE WEST SIDE YOU CAN STILL HAVE THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF PARKING AS IS THERE NOW AND STILL HAVE THE EXPANDED WATERFRONT PARK. BUT WE'LL WAIT FOR THE JANUARY MEETING TO SEE THE DETAILS OF THAT. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING OFF THE AGENDA? ALL RIGHT. ITEM 6 CONSENT AGENDA. DO I HAVE A

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MOTION? >> COMMISSIONER: I'M DOWN FOR WHA

WHATEVER-- >> WE'VE GOT YOU IN THE WATERFRONT

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: IN WHAT? MAYOR MILLER: IT'S IN DISCUSSION ITEM, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER: I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON MY DISCUSSION ITEM. SHE CAN COME UP AND SPEAK.

MAYOR MILLER: COME UP AND SPEAK. THESE ARE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. THIS IS ITEMS OFF THE AGENDA.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JOANN. 141 NORTH 15TH STREET IN FERNANDINA BEACH. I DON'T THINK YOU ARE ALLOWED BUT MAYBE 1 WE JUST GO FROM CATASTROPHE TO CATASTROPHE. IT'S VERY HARD TO DECIDE WHAT WOULD I TALK ABOUT. YOUR LAST MEETING I WATCHED AT HOME. NEARLY JUMPED OUT OF MY SKIN.

ANYWAY, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS CATASTROPHE. YOU WANT TO TAKE UP TREES TO GET RID OF THE

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TREES AT THE AIRPORT IN ORDER TO PUT IN EITHER SOLAR PANELS OR WHATEVER THE WINDMILLS ARE. AND IT'S THE BEST PLACE FOR THE WINDMILLS AND THE SOLAR PANELS. NOBODY HAD A GOOD THING TO SAY ABOUT THE TREES. YOU COULD HAVE BEEN MOVING TELEPHONE POLES. THAT WAS THE ATTITUDE THAT CAME ACROSS. WE NEED TO KEEP THE TREES. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN GET THAT ACROSS. THEY MEAN SO MUCH. THEY KEEP THIS ISLAND IN TACT. ANYWAY, I WON'T TALK ABOUT THAT. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT KEVIN MCCARTHY WROTE A LETTER IN 1 OF THE PAPERS LAST WEEK IT'S GOOD AS ANY LETTER THAT'S EVER BEEN WRITTEN. HE SAID, DO YOU WANT A WORKING MARINA DOWN THERE ON THE WATERFRONT OR DO YOU WANT A PARK? NOW, I'M KIND OF SLOW AT FIGURING OUT THINGS. I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE A AND B PARKING LOT WERE. AND I THOUGHT EVERYBODY IN TOWN KNOWS BUT ME SO I DON'T WANT TO ASK ANYBODY. THEN I FIGURED OUT, BY GOLLY THEY'RE RIGHT THERE RIGHT AT THE FOOT OF CENTER STREET. WE NEED TO KEEP THOSE PARKING LOTS. NOW, YOU MOVE DOWN WHERE THE PA TONK WAS IN PARKING LOTS C AND D, YOU'VE GOT A PARK. IT'S EVEN GOT A GAZEBO. IT'S GOT GRASS. IT'S GOT A WALKWAY. IF THERE'S ANY PLACE THAT WE SHOULD PUT A PARK DOWNTOWN, GO TO ANYBODY THAT SAW WHERE PA TONK IS. PLENTY OF PARKING AT 1 POINT. BUT IT'S A PARK. IT'S NOT A BIG PARK. YOU MAY WANT IT BIGGER. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOVE THE STREETS. I COULDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON. WE'RE GOING TO -- SOMEBODY'S GOING TO COME IN AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE STREET TO THE WEST. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE -- SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY TO ME. YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT MONEY. BUT I TRIED TO GET THIS TO 1 ITEM. IT'S REALLY HARD. THERE'S SO MANY THINGS ON THERE THAT ARE, LIKE I SAY, WE KIND OF GO FROM CATASTROPHE TO CATASTROPHE.

PLEASE KEEPING A AND B PARKING LIKE IT IS. PEOPLE GO DOWN THERE AND THEY PARK TO GET OUT AND WATCH THE SUNSET. YOU'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF PARKING. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE MARINA BACK TO WHERE THE MARINA CAN MAKE US SOME MONEY. THAT PARK CAN'T.

MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU. FOLKS, IF YOU COULD NOT DO THAT, THIS MEETING WOULD GO A LOT FASTER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VICE MAYOR KREGER YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. VICE MAYOR KREGER: THIS PAST WEEK I GOT PROBABLY 20 EMAILS ABOUT BASICALLY PARKING LOT A. THE PROBLEM IS WE ACTUALLY SET THAT AS A FRUIT PREPPED FOR THE PARK. WE'RE -- FOOTPRINT. WE'RE ONLY ON OUR 25TH YEAR TRYING TO GET A PARK DONE. AND WHEN WE SET THAT FOOTPRINT WE PRECEDED WITH EMINENT DOMAIN FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE NEEDED TO HAVE THAT FOOTPRINT BECAUSE WE NEEDED PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES TO MAKE THE CASE FOR THAT. WE'RE PRECEDING WITH THAT. SO, PARKING LOT IS IN THE PARK FOOTPRINT. WE ALL SAT HERE AND HAD THAT DISCUSSION AND VOTED 5-0. IT SEEMS THAT EVERYTHING COMES BACK. THERE'S NO DOUBT IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE WANT A PARK ON THE WATERFRONT.

WHETHER IT IS THAT LITTLE PARK DOWN THERE OR WHATEVER. BUT WE SET NOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. KIND OF A DIFFICULT POSITION TO BE IN IF WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED WITH EMINENT DOMAIN AND CHANGE OUR MIND. I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER BUT IT APPEARS THAT WE CAN DO NOTHING IN THIS CITY AND MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT A GREW DISLIKING IT. THAT DOESN'T MAKE FOR VERY EFFECTIVE GOVERNMENT AND IT SETS US BACK ON EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. WE NEED TO RESOLVE THAT. WE THE COMMISSION. WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE. WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF STUDIES. WE HAVE SURVEYS AND THAT PARK, THEY WANT A PARK THERE. WE SET THAT AT A COMMISSION MEETING AND WE'RE PROCEEDING WITH THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE MARINA PEOPLE ARE UPSET, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO REDUCE PARKING SPOTS I THINK AS CHIP SAID IN THE VERY END AND PEOPLE CAN WALK A BLOCK. IT IS AN EXCEPTIONAL THING -- ACCEPTABLE THING TO DO.

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MAYOR MILLER: THIS IS ITEMS AT THE END OF THE AGENDA. AND WE'RE ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS OFF THE AGENDA. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK TO SOMETHING NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? THANK YOU. ON THE CONSENT AGENDA DO I HAVE IN ANYBODY TO PULL UP DISCUSSION OR DO I HAVE A MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MADAM CLERK WOULD YOU CALL THE VOTE PLEASE. MAYOR MILLER: THIS IS 7.1. SIMMONS ROAD PARK PLAN.

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RESO RESOLUTION 2019 APPROVING THE SIMMONS ROAD PARK PLAN AND

PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE DATE. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. I CAN PROVIDE SOME PRELIMINARY BACKGROUND ON THE PARK. SO, I'VE GOT A SLIDE THAT SHE'S PREPARED FOR THISEVENING. THIS IS THE ONLY SLIDE THEY COULD PROVIDE. PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE SIMMONS ROAD PARK PROPOSAL AND THE PROCESS. ON JANUARY 18TH, REVIEWED A POSSIBLE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION GRANT APPLICATION TO FUND INSTALLATION OF A PLAYGROUND TO THE AIRPORT. ON MARCH 13TH, WE HAD A BOUNDARY SURVEY TOP AGRAPHIC OF 1650 SIMMONS ROAD PARK WE FORWARDED THAT. ON MARCH 20, 2018, CITY COMMISSION DIRECTED THE PROPOSED PARK INSTALLATION FROM THE AIRPORT TO THE CITY OWNED SIMMONS ROAD PROPERTY AND UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED SUBMITTING THE GRANT APPLICATION WHICH INCLUDED A PARKING LOT, PLAYGROUND, RESTAURANT, CIVILIAN AND WALKING PATH. MARCH 19TH, AN ENGINEERING FIRM WAS HIRED TO DESIGN THE DRIVEWAY AND PREPARE FOR THE PERMITTING WHICH WOULD BE STATE AND COUNTY PERMITTING. THE 22ND THE PUBLIC -- WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING AT CITY HALL.

THE MEETING ANNOUNCED AND STATED THAT THE PROPOSED PARK CONSISTS OF A SMALL PLAYGROUND, PICNIC AREA, RESTROOMS, WATER FOUNTAIN, NATURE TRAIL AND PARKING STRUCTURE TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITH APPROXIMATELY SIX-AND-A-HALF PARCEL LOCATED AT 1650 SIMMONS ROAD WHICH IS THE AREA THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN FERNANDINA BEACH. ON THE 11TH, DIRECTOR VOIGHT AND PARK AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD CHAIRMAN PROVIDED INFORMATION AND UPDATED THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED PARK ON THE 6.45 ACRE PARCEL OF CITY PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SIMMONS ROAD WHICH WOULD BE THE 1650 SIMMONS ROAD. VOIGHT EXPLAINED THAT A LAND AND WATER CONSERVATION FUND GRANT APPLICATION WOULD BE SUBMITTED REQUESTING THE $200,000 WOULD BE MATCHED BY THE CITY USING IMPACT FEES. MAY 25TH OF '18 THE CITY SENT A WITHDRAWAL LETTER TO CONSIDER THE LAND AND WATER CONSERVATION GRANT AND INFORM THE STATE AGENCY THE CITY WILL BE APPLYING FOR THE FLORIDA RECREATION DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM GRANT WHICH IS THROUGH THE FDEP. ON OCTOBER 28TH '18 PLACE GATE SUBMITTED A FORMAL LETTER CONFIRMING THEIR COMMITMENT TO HELP FUND THE PROPOSED PARK. AND THEN IN OCTOBER, I THINK IT WAS THE 29TH, THE CITY SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION TO THE STATE. AND THEN ON APRIL 4TH, THE GRANT ADMINISTRATOR NOTIFIED THE CITY COMMISSION THAT IT WAS EXTREMELY UNLIKELY THAT FER DAP WOULD BE FUNDED BY THE LEGISLATURE. ON THE 7TH THE CITY APPROVED 50 RESOLUTION 1970 -- 2019-74 TRANSFERRING ADDITIONAL $200,000 FOR IMPACT -- OF IMPACT FEES FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE PARK OFF OF SIMMONS ROAD. SO THAT IN JUNE THAT WE RECEIVED THE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE STATE THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT GOING TO BE FUNDED FOR THE 2019 YEAR, THEN IN AUGUST 23RD THE ENGINEER

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SUBMITTED THE PARK PLAN TO THE CITY'S TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE WHICH IS REQUIRED THAT THE COMMUNITY REVIEWS ALL PARTS OF THE DESIGN INCLUDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES AND WETLANDS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. OCTOBER 8, 2019, THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE APPROVED THE SIMMONS PARK PROJECT WITH FOUR AYES AND ONE NAY. THERE'S JUST A BRIEF HISTORY. GIVE YOU A BRIEF SYNOPSIS THIS STARTED IN JANUARY OF '18 WHEN A GRANT OPPORTUNITY DID COME AVAILABLE. SO, RIGHT NOW I'D LIKE TO TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO TREY. AND HE IS PART OF

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD EVENING. TROY WARREN, VICE PRESIDENT OF EIGHT PLEX PLAY SCAPES. A NONPROFIT LOCAL VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION OF RESIDENTS AND NON-RESIDENTS.

LET ME BEGIN BY SAYING THAT 8 PLEX IS NOT A POLITICAL ORGANIZATION. WE HAVE NO POLITICAL AGENDA TO PUSH. WE DO NOT CARE OR LIKE CONFLICT. REGARDING OUR ACTIVITIES. OUR COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION OF VOLUNTEERS HAS A SIMPLE MISSION. WE WANT TO DEVELOP RECREATIONAL ENVIRONMENTS THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL. THAT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE. WE WANT TO INFLUENCE THE WAY RECREATION IS CONSTRUCTED SO THAT IT IS UNIVERSALLY ACCESSIBLE, IT IS UNIQUE, CONSIDERS THE ENVIRONMENT, CULTURE AND HISTORY OF OUR HOME. WE JUST WANT BETTER RECREATIONAL FACILITIES. WE ENJOY GIVING OUR TIME, TALENTS AND TREASURE TO THIS ENDEAVOR. WE'VE ENJOYED WORKING WITH THE ADVISORY BOARD, THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AND THIS COMMISSION IN THE PAST ON TWO VERY SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS. PIRATE PLAYGROUND AND EGAN'S CREEK PARK. THE FORMER WAS A GIFT TO THE RESIDENTS AND NON-RESIDENTS TO OURSELVES. THE LATTER WAS A SPECTACULAR EXAMPLE OF A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION VOLUNTEERS COORDINATING AND COLLABORATING WITH A SMALL TOWN'S GOVERNMENT TO BRING A TRULY BEAUTIFUL PROJECT TO FRUITION. OUR ORGANIZATION HAS BECOME A FUNDS MULTIPLIER. WHAT I MEAN IS THAT COLLABORATING WITH THE CITY WE CAN DO GREATER THINGS TOGETHER, FASTER AND LESS EXPENSIVE THAN IF WE DO THEM INDEPENDENTLY. BY COLLABORATING WE HAVE IDENTIFIED OVER $100,000 IN CASH AND INKIND SERVICES TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS VERY PARK. WE HAVE ALREADY INVESTED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN CONSULTING AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT HAVE NOT REQUIRED ONE DOLLAR OF ANY OF MY TAX DOLLARS AND THE OTHER RESIDENTS. ANOTHER ORGANIZATION, PROJECT CHANCE, HAS COME FORWARD AND PLEDGED FUNDS FOR THIS PARK TO ENABLE THEIR MISSION TO AID CHILDREN WITH AUTISM AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES. AGAIN, A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS, RESIDENTS AND NON-RESIDENTS, SEE A NEED NOT BEING MET HAS COME FORWARD TO COLLABORATE WITH US AND IN TURN TARN FERNANDINA BEACH TO BUILD A RECREATIONAL STRUCTURE THAT ALIGNS WITH OUR MISSION. AT THIS POINT IN TIME MOMENTUM IS KEY. OUR SUCCESS IN THE PAST IS TO START A PROJECT AND TO FINISH A PROJECT. RIGHT NOW THERE'S A LOT OF EXCITEMENT. RIGHT NOW THERE ARE FUNDS BEING RAISED. AT THIS POINT THERE'S MOMENTUM IN KEEPING THE MOMENTUM MOVING FORWARD IS A KEY TO RAISING FURTHER FUNDS SO THAT A BETTER PARK CAN BE CONSTRUCTED. IN CONCLUSION WE ENJOY INFLUENCING THE DESIGN OF PARKS TO BE UNIVERSALLY ACCESSIBLE. TO BE UNIQUE AND CONSIDERATE OF THE NEEDS OF OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF THIS AREA. WE STRIVE TO BALANCE MANY FACTORS -- PLAY, EXERCISE, DISABILITIES, BEING OLD, BEING YOUNG, BEING A MOTHER WITH A STROLLER. WE DO THIS WORK BASED UPON THE REQUIREMENTS VOICED TO US IN OUR COLLABORATION WITH THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AND THEN TO REVIEW BY THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD. THE INSTITUTIONS PUT IN PLACE TO MANAGE, REVIEW AND APPROVE THESE PROJECTS IN ORD ACCORDANCE WITH THE REGULATIONS.

WE ARE NOT A POLITICAL ORGANIZATION. WE JUST WANT TO BUILD A GREAT PARK AND MEET THE EXPECTATIONS VOICED TO US SO MANY MONTHS AGO. THANK YOU. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR. I THINK BENJAMIN HAS A COUPLE OF COMMENT SGLZ ARE WE NOT GOING TO DO A PRESENTATION ON THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE PARK? I ASSUME YOU ARE PIGGYBACKING. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. I'LL WAIT

UNTIL THE PRESENTATION IS CONCLUDED >> MR. MARTIN, IF WE COULD PULL UP THAT -- THE SECOND PRESENTATION THAT HAS THE SITE PLAN

>> THE ONE THAT WAS SENT EARLIER IN THE WEEK? >> YES. LAST WEEK.

>> OKAY. HOLD ON. LET ME FIND THAT ONE. THIS IS THE MOST UPD

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UPDATED. BENJAMIN AND GILLETTE ASSOCIATES WENT IN AND DID SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE RETENTION AREA. BECAUSE THAT SEEM TO BE A VERY BIG CONCERN OF MANY OF THE CITIZENS ABOUT THE PARK AND THE PARKING LOT HAS BEEN CONFIGURED TO HAVE -- BECAUSE WE KNOW THE WETLANDS DELINEATION IS OVER HERE. BUT I'M GOING TO LET THE EXPERT SPEAK TO THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MODIFIED.

JUST A REMINDER, WE HAVE NOT ACTUALLY BEEN ON TO THE SITE PHYSICALLY. THE SURVEYORS HAVE.

I MEAN, WE'VE WALKED THE EDGES. SO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW WE'RE GOING TO MANIPULATE SOME OF THE THINGS UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET INTO THE PROPERTY. SO, JUST WE NEED TO REMEMBER THIS IS STILL A PROPOSED PLAN. AND WE CAN DETERMINE MORE ONCE WE HAVE THE

ABILITY TO GET IN THERE. SO, GO AHEAD. >> SPEAKER: I GUESS THE FIRST THING THAT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE BEFORE I GET STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE PLANS IS, AND TAMMI YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF THIS ISN'T AN APPROPRIATE STATEMENT TO MAKE. BUT I THINK AFTER RECEIVING THE INITIAL LEGAL OPINION AND THEN THE SECONDARY OPINION THAT WE RECEIVED TODAY WE CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE THAT THIS PLAN AS PRESENTED TONIGHT IS 100% COMPLIANT WITH THE PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

>> ARE YOU ASKING ME? >> SPEAKER: YES >> YES.

>> SPEAKER: SO, AND WHAT REALLY SORT OF INITIATED US BEING ABLE TO START WORKING ON THE ACTUAL LAYOUT OF THE PARK WAS RECEIVING THE TREE SURVEY. ALL OF THE COMPONENTS AND THE ASPECTS OF THE PARK WERE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO MAKE EVERY EFFORT POSSIBLE TO HAVE AS MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE TREES AS POSSIBLE. FROM THE INCEPTION OF THIS PROJECT WHEN WE GOT INVOLVED AND DATING BACK TO EARLY 2018, I THINK, THE PROGRAM FOR THIS PARK HAS REMAINED CONSISTENT. AND THERE'S FIVE KEY ELEMENTS TO IT. AND THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED. AND IT'S QUITE SIMPLE. THERE'S A PARKING LOT.

THERE'S A BATHROOM BUILDING. THERE IS A PAVILION BUILDING. THERE IS A PLAYGROUND. AND THERE IS A NATURE TRAIL. AND THOSE FIVE THINGS HAVE BEEN PART OF THE PROGRAM FOR THE PARK DATING BACK, WAY BACK TO THE ORIGINAL GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT WERE APPLIED FOR IN EARLY 2018.

AS YOU ALL CAN SEE, I'LL TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. THE SIZE OF THE PARKING LOT IS DETERMINED BY THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO IT'S DESIGNED TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS BUT NOT EXCEED THEM. THE PARKING LOT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OF GRAVEL SO THAT IT IS AS PERVIOUS AS POSSIBLE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A SINGLE HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACE. THE SECOND COMPONENT TO THE DESIGN IS AN ADA COMPLIANT BATHROOM BUILDING. IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON THE SAME DESIGN THAT WE DID FOR EGAN'S CREEK PARK WHERE THERE'S SEPARATE MEN'S AND WOMEN'S, HANDICAP FACILITIES. I THINK THAT IT'S A NICE DESIGN, AND WE DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO REINVENT THE WHEEL THERE. THE THIRD ASPECT OF THE PARK IS THE PAVILION. THIS ONE ON THE PREVIOUS PLANS THAT EVERYBODY HAD SEEN, IT WAS 800 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. AFTER DISCUSSING IT WITH NAN BOYD, SHE ULTIMATELY MADE THE DECISION THAT 400 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. SO, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE SIDES OF THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE SMALL PAVILION STRUCTURE AT THE FOOT OF THE DOCK AT EGAN'S CREEK PARK. 20 FEET BY 20 FEET.

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THE FOURTH AS PENALTY -- ASPECT OF THE DESIGN IS THE PLAYGROUND AREA. WE HAD DONE SOME PRELIMINARY WORK IN GETTING STARTED ON THE DESIGN AND THE SELECTION OF THE DIFFERENT PLAY COMPONENTS FOR THIS AREA. BUT WE SORT OF PUT THAT ON HOLD WHEN THE QUESTIONS STARTED TO BE RAISED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE AN ACTIVE PLAYGROUND AT THIS PARK.

SO, ASSUMING AND HOPING THAT WE GET THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY >> COMMISSIONER: TONIGHT, PROBABLY ONE OF THE -- COMMISSION TONIGHT PROBABLY ONE OF THIS FIRST THINGS IS WORKING ON DEVELOPING THE DESIGN OF THE PLAYGROUND. I GUESS WHAT WE CAN SAY ABOUT IT IS THAT IT WILL BE FULLY FENCED. IT WILL BE COMPLETELY UNIVERSALLY ACCESSIBLE LIKE ALL OF OUR OTHER PROJECTS ARE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A SINGLE LARGE KIND OF PLAY STRUCTURE TYPE PLAYGROUND LIKE YOU MIGHT SEE AT CENTRAL PARK. IT'S MORE OF A SERIES OF SMALLER, INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE ACTIVITIES FOR CHILDREN RANGING FROM TODDLERS TO ABOUT 12 YEARS OLD.

WE'RE TRYING TO COVER A PRETTY WIDE RANGE THERE WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE HERE IN THE CITY. WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PLAYGROUNDS HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT TO IT. AND THAT IT RELATES TO THE HISTORY AND THE CULTURE OF OUR ISLAND. SO, IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IS AND WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING IS IMPLEMENTING A INDIAN THEME IS GOING BE INTEGRATED INTO THE DESIGN OF THE PLAYGROUND COMPONENTS. AND, LASTLY, THE FIFTH ELEMENT IS THE NATURE TRAIL. IT'S A SIX FOOT WIDE PATH THAT IS -- WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF RESEARCHING POSSIBLE MATERIALS FOR IT. ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT STRONGLY IS A PRODUCT CALLED DECOMPOSED GRANITE WHICH IS A MORE PERMEABLE AND PERVIOUS PRODUCT THAN CONCRETE WOULD BE. BUT WE'RE JUST DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE RESEARCH RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TALK TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WHERE IT'S BEEN USED AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENTS AND PARKS DEPARTMENTS CAN SORT OF GIVE US AN INDICATION THAT IF WE CAN DO IT OVER AGAIN WE WOULD DO IT OVER AGAIN. IF THAT SORT OF MAKES SENSE. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE RESPONSIBLE AS FAR AS PICKING A PRODUCT THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY NOT JUST NOW BUT LONG TERM AS IS THE CASE WITH ALL OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE PARK.

LASTLY, ON THIS SLIDE THE THING THAT I'LL POINT OUT IS ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF THIS DESIGN THAT NOBODY PARTICULARLY LIKED THAT'S GOTTEN A LOT OF NEGATIVE ATTENTION. AND HONESTLY JUSTIFIABLY SO -- WAS THE SIZE OF THE DRY RETENTION PONDS. SPECIFICALLY, THE ONE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE PARKING LOT. AND AT THE LAST PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING -- WELL THE SECOND TO LAST. AT THE OCTOBER MEETING WHEN THE PLANS WERE LAST PRESENTED I MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WE WOULD WORK AS HARD AS WE CAN TO MINIMIZE THE SIZE AND IMPACT OF THE RETENTION AREAS AND THAT WE WOULD ALSO WORK ON DECREASING THE QUANTITY OF TREES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE REMOVED SUBSEQUENTLY. SO, IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT HERE THAT WE WERE SUCCESSFUL THANKS TO GILLETTE AND ASSOCIATES' EXCELLENT THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX. WE WERE ABLE TO DECREASE THE SIDES OF THAT RETENTION POND AREA BY 9,400 SQUARE FEET. WHICH I THINK IS EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT. SO, WHILE WE STILL HAVE TWO DRY RETENTION AREAS, THE OVERALL SIZE AND IMPACT OF THEM IS MUCH LESS THAN IT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY. SO WE ARE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO. AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, OUR INTENT IS TO CONTINUE TO SEE IF WE CAN MINIMIZE THE SIZE OF THEM FURTHER MOVING FORWARD. I GUESS DO YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? THIS IS JUST THE DRAINAGE PLAN WHICH PROBABLY ISN'T PARTICULARLY INTERESTING TO SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON. THE ONLY THING I'LL NOTE IS THAT -- BECAUSE IT'S NOT SUPER CLEAR ON THE DRAWINGS. THIS AREA THAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE THAT'S HATCHED WHERE THE PREVIOUS DRY RETENTION POND WAS THAT WE GOT RID OF, WHAT THAT IS NOW IS VEGETATIVE NATURAL BUFFER. SO IT'S GOING BE A PROTECTED AREA THAT HAS TO REMAIN COMPLETELY UNDISTURBED. AND THAT'S PART OF US BEING ABLE TO USE IT AS PART OF THE STORM WATER RETENTION PLAN. SO, IT IS A POSITIVE THING. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE TREE PLAN. AND IT

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LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF BLACK DOTS AND A PIECE OF PAPER, BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE, I GUESS, IS THAT FOLLOWING UP WITH WHAT I SAID PREVIOUSLY, WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF TREES BEING TAKEN OUT AND DUE TO THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE IN THE DESIGN SINCE THE LAST TIME IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE HAVE DECREASED THE NUMBER OF TREES BY 30%. AND IT'S OUR INTENT TO CONTINUE TO DECREASE THAT NUMBER AS WE FINALIZE AND MOVE THROUGH TRC AND SEE THE PLAN COME TO FRUITION. THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I GUESS IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT SHOWS UP ON THIS DRAWING IS JUST THAT THE AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PROTECTED DURING CONSTRUCTION FROM BEING DISTURBED ARE INDICATED AND CLEARLY SHOWN ON THIS PLAN SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO IT TOO, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE THINK IS FAIR. AND I KNOW IT HASN'T ALWAYS HAPPENED IN THE CITY BUT IT'S SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN DURING CONSTRUCTION AND IT GIVES AN OUTLINE FOR, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE AREAS TRULY ARE BEING PROTECTED THE WAY WE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROTECTED. MAYOR MILLER: IT IS A PRESENTATION WE'RE NOT TAKING QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE AT THIS TIME. GO AHEAD.

>> SPEAKER: THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING I'LL NOTE IN THIS PLAN IS THAT IT HAS A NOTE OVER HERE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE THAT SAYS, I CAN'T READ IT RIGHT NOW, BUT TO SUMMARIZE IT, IT SAYS NO TREES ARE TO BE TAKEN OUT IN THE PLAYGROUND AREA UNTIL THE DESIGN HAS BEEN COMPLETELY FINALIZED.

WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. OF THIS LINE JUST SHOWS AN OVERLAY OF THE TREES OVER THE GROWTH PLAN OF THE PARK. AGAIN, IT IS A LOT OF BLACK DOTS TO SEE, BUT I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE IS THAT YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'RE INTENTIONALLY WORKING OUT THE PLAN AND THE GEOMETRY AND THE LOCATIONS OF THE BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO AVOID THE EXISTING TREES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. THE PLAYGROUND OR THE PARKING LOT WAS SPECIFICALLY CITED WHERE IT IS TO HAVE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM IMPACT THAT IT COULD POSSIBLY HAVE HAD. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS JUST A GRAPHIC SORT OF IMAGE THAT SHOWS KIND OF A OVERALL KIND OF CONCEPT FOR WHAT THIS PARK IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. THE PARKING AREA, LIKE I SAID, WILL BE GRAVEL WITH CONCRETE AT THE ADA SPOTS. THIS IS A PICTURE OF WHAT THE RESTROOM PAVILION WILL LOOK LIKE. THE PICTURE OF THE NATURE TRAIL ILLUSTRATES WHAT THAT DECOMPOSED GRANITE LOOKS LIKE IN AN INSTALLATION. AND IT IS FULLY ADA COMPLIANT, BY THE WAY, AND ACCESSIBLE. THE NEXT SHOWS THE NATURE PAVILION WHICH IS, LIKE I SAID, THE SMALL -- THE SAME SIZE AS THE SMALL PAVILION AT EGAN'S CREEK PARK.

THIS IS AN INSPIRATION IMAGE FOR US FOR THE CHILDREN'S PLAY AREA THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT HAS COMPONENTS THAT RELATE TO THE VILLAGES OF THE TAE MUCKEN INDIANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THESE HUTS AND STUFF ARE PART OF WHAT WE PLAN ON ACQUIRING AS WE MOVE FORWARD. OUR LAST THING I GUESS I DIDN'T TOUCH ON THIS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE NATURE TRAIL. BUT THIS PARK ORIGINALLY STARTED OFF WITH THE CONCEPT OF BEING A NATURE PARK. AND WE THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT ASPECT OF IT MAINTAINS AND STAYS AS IT HAS MOVED FORWARD. AND OUR INTENTION, IF WE'RE GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT AFTER TONIGHT TO KEEP GOING, IS TO WORK WITH CONSERVATIONISTS, WITH ARBORIST, WITH NATURALISTS THAT ARE EXPERTS IN THEIR FIELDS TO DEVELOP A TRUE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM FOR THE NATURE TRAIL SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THAT ASPECT OF WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONCEIVED TO BE STAYS CONSISTENT. SO I JUST -- I HAVE JUST A COUPLE MORE THOUGHTS THAT I WANT TO SAY THEN I'LL BE DONE AND TURN IT OVER. I'M SORRY FOR READING THIS BUT IT'S JUST IMPORTANT SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I SAY IT RIGHT. EACH INDIVIDUAL IN THIS ROOM WILL BE FACED WITH A DISABILITY AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIVES LIMITING THEIR MOBILITY AND ABILITY TO ENJOY THE SIMPLE PLEASURES THAT MOST OF US TAKE FOR GRANTED. WE ARE NOT PARTICIPATING IN THIS

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PROJECT TO PROMOTE PARKS AND PLAYGROUNDS JUST FOR INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES WITH DISABILITIES.

WE ARE HERE TO PROMOTE THE IDEA OF DOING THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN THEY TYPICALLY ARE DONE SO THAT WE REGARDLESS OF ABILITY EVERYONE CAN PARTICIPATE. WHICH IS THE CASE FOR OUR TWO PREVIOUS PROJECTS IN THE CITY. I REALIZE SOME PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AND EVEN SOME OF YOU COMMISSIONERS MAY ASK OUR ORGANIZATION WHY WE ARE SO COMMITTED TO THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPOSED PARK. AT THE SIMMONS ROAD PARCEL. I'LL TAKE A MINUTE TO ANSWER THAT. WE'RE ASKED QUITE OFTEN TO GET INVOLVED WITH PROJECTS INVOLVING PARKS AND PLAYGROUNDS FOR VARIOUS GROUPS AND ORGANIZATIONS MOST OF THE TIME WE KINDLY DECLINE. WE ARE FIVE NORMAL INDIVIDUALS WITH REAL JOBS AND BUSY LIVES AND THE WORK WE DO FOR THESE PROJECTS IS 100% FREE BUT ALSO VERY TAXING ON US PERSONALLY. THE PROJECT MUST BE VERY STRINGENT STANDARDS FOR US TO FEEL LIKE WE CAN INVEST THE TIME AND ENERGY INTO IT THAT TAKES TO DELIVER A PRODUCT THAT IS OF THE QUALITY STANDARDS THAT WE HOLD OURSELVES TO. JUST BEING ADA COMPLIANT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR US. WHEN WE WERE APPROACHED TO PARTNER ON THE SIMMONS ROAD PROJECT WE HAD DETAIL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED. WHAT THE PROGRAM WOULD BE AND WHAT THE INTENDED GOAL OF CREATING THIS PARK TRULY WAS. AFTER DISCUSSING IT AT LENGTH, WE DECIDED THAT IT CHECKED EVERY SINGLE BOX FOR US. WE FELT LIKE IT WAS TRULY AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A POSITIVE IMPACT IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND A MEANINGFUL STEP TOWARDS MAKING FERNANDINA BEACH THE MOST ACCESSIBLE COMMUNITY IN FLORIDA. TO CREATE A UNIVERSALLY NATURE PARK, SNAG DOES NOT EXIST CURRENTLY IN THE COMMUNITY COULD MAKE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE LIVES OF SO MANY IN OUR CITY AND ROND. FURTHER, WHEN PROJECT CHANCE APPROACHED US TO PARTNER AND PROVIDE THEIR EXPERTISE AND FINANCIAL RESOURCES, WE KNEW THIS THIS WAS A WORTHWHILE ENDEAVOR. NOT ONLY COULD WE PARTNER WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE ACCESSIBILITY REMAINS A TOP PRIORITY BUT WE COULD OFFER AROUND $100,000 IN FUNDING AND SERVICES TO HELP MAKE IT A REALITY. WE ARE AWARE THAT OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE PROPOSED ALTERNATE LOCATIONS THEY SAY CAN PROVIDE A SIMILAR OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPMENT WITH LESS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THESE SITES AND HAVE CONSIDERED THE FEASIBILITY OF WHETHER THEY OFFER AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE FEEL FITS THE GOALS OF OUR ORGANIZATION AND OF THE INDIVIDUALS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT SUPPORT OUR ENDEAVORS. AN AIRPORT LOCATION INCLUDING THE SOCCER FIELDS DOES NOT OFFER THE CALM ENVIRONMENT WE BELIEVE NECESSARY FOR A TRULY UNIVERSALLY ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND. THE GOLF COURSE IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE COMPLEX THAN PRESENTED AND THE RETENTION POND LOCATION NEXT TO A BUSY PARK LOT PRESENTS MANY CHALLENGES AND IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO A CALM ENVIRONMENT. WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE RIVER TO SEA TRAIL BUT IT TOO DOES NOT OFFER THE AMENITIES THAT THE SIMMONS ROAD PARK OFFERS AND SHOULD NOT BE REFERENCED AS A BASELINE FOR ACCESSIBILITY IN THE COMMUNITY. WE CAN SAY WITH CERTAINTY THAT THESE LOCATIONS DO NOT OFFER WHAT IS POSSIBLE WITH THE SIMMONS ROAD PARK LOCATION. IT IS BECAUSE OF THIS THAT AIR FLAGS PLAY SCAPES IS 100% COMMITTED TO THE PROJECT AS WELL AS THE LOCATION AS PRESENTED THIS EVENING. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU. MR. CHAPMAN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR.

COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: I MOVE TO APPROVE AND MOVE THAT THE CITY MANAGER BE DIRECTED TO WORK WITH STAFF AND 8 FLAGS TO DEVELOP A TASK COMPLETION TIMELINE BY THE SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER TO ASSURE THAT THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD WITH THE GOAL OF SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION IN ONE YEAR. I FURTHER MOVE THAT THE CITY MANAGER PROVIDE THE COMMISSION WITH UPDATES ON THE PROGRESS OF THIS PROJECT AT EVERY COMMISSION MEETING STARTING IN JANUARY.

>> COMMISSIONER: I SECOND. MAYOR MILLER: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR. COMMISSIONER ROSS: I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. CAN YOU PUT BACK UP YOUR SCENARIO OF EVENTS. THE SEQUENCE. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU

LEFT OFF THAT? >> SPEAKER: I DON'T THINK SO. COMMISSIONER ROSS: WASN'T THERE ANOTHER PARKS AND REC MEETING? AND WASN'T THERE A VOTE THAT THE PARKS AND REC VOTED 4-1 TO HAVE

IT RECONSIDERED? >> A VOTE FOR NOVEMBER? COMMISSIONER ROSS: CORRECT

>> YES. AT THE END. COMMISSIONER ROSS: NUMBER 2. CAN YOU GO TO THE -- MAYOR, PLEASE. MAYOR MILLER: THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG MEETING. THERE'S A LOT OF FEELINGS ABOUT THIS. IT'S MY JOB TO CONDUCT THESE MEETINGS AS OFFICIALLY AS

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POSSIBLE. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN APPOINTED TO DO. IF THERE'S ANY DISRUPTION, ANY LAUGHTER OR COMMENTS MADE, DISRUPTIONS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ISSUE, I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE A WARNING I'M JUST GOING TO CALL A RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES AND WE'LL DO SO IF IT TAKES US UNTIL 11:00 SO BE IT. COMMISSIONER ROSS: CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP WHERE IT HAD ALL THE TREES? THE NEWEST PLAN. THE NEXT ONE. THAT'S FINE. FIRST OF ALL, THIS PLAN WAS

NEVER SUBMITTED TO THE PARKS AND REC BOARD IS THAT CORRECT? >> THIS PLAN WAS JUST SUBMITTED.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: I KNOW SO THE PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE HAS NEVER SEEN THIS PLAN? THEY'VE

NEVER SEEN IT AND HAD A MEETING ABOUT IT IS THAT CORRECT >> RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ALL THESE AREAS AND THIS PATH AND ALL THIS IN HERE, ALTHOUGH THIS IS A TREE PLAN, I'VE WALKED THIS PROPERTY. AND I'VE ALSO READ SOME OF THE -- ONE OF THE ARTICLES THAT CAME OUT ABOUT THE NATURE HERE. SO WHAT THIS IS ALL DOING IS WHETHER THERE'S TREES HERE OR NOT WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS TAKING OUT AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ALL THE UNDER STUDY WHICH IS WHERE ALL THE NATURAL HABITAT FOR ALL THE ANIMALS THAT LIVE THERE. SO YOU ARE TAKING OUT ALL THAT HABITAT WHETHER YOU TAKE OUT TREES OR DON'T MOVE TREES AND WHETHER YOU LEAVE A TREE BEHIND IN THIS PARK YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OUT A

SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THE UNDER STORY. IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: THANK YOU. MAYOR MILLER: I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH YOU WERE NEXT, SIR. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: MR. MAYOR, I HAVE TWO THINGS. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS OF MR. MORRISON. I ALSO HAVE A PRESENTATION. I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC SPEAKERS. SO, I'D LIKE TO ASK MY QUESTIONS FIRST. LET'S HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. THEN IF I CAN DO MY PRESENTATION? MAYOR MILLER: I BELIEVE YOUR PRESENTATION IS A SLIDE SHOW? LET'S GO AHEAD AND STICK TO THE PROGRAM WE NORMALLY DO AND VIEW ALL THE PRESENTATIONS AND THEN TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN CALL THE VOTE. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: MR. MORRISON, THANK YOU FOR REDUCING THE IMPACT ON THE TREES. THAT WENT FROM I BELIEVE

FROM 92 TO 60 >> 68. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH:. YOU MENTIONED FIVE ELEMENTS, RIGHT. AND THOSE FIVE ELEMENTS CAME FROM WHERE?

>> SPEAKER: THEY WERE IDENTIFIED DATING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL GRANT APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN EARLY 2018 WHEN IT DESCRIBES WHAT WILL BE PART OF THIS PARK.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: SO I AM ASSUMING THAT YOU SAT DOWN WITH MS. VOIGHT AND TALKED ABOUT THE

FIVE ELEMENTS. >> SPEAKER: WHEN WE STARTED DO TO DO -- WHEN OUR ORGANIZATION GOT INVOLVED WITH THE PROJECT WE SAT DOWN WITH NAN AND SHE DISCUSSED THE HISTORY THAT IT HAPPENED WITH THE PARK BEFORE WE GOT INVOLVED AND GAVE US A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF WHAT THE INTENTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARK WOULD BE, AS FAR AS THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, WAS EXPECTED TO BE THERE. THEN WE WERE -- I WAS TASKED WITH TAKING THAT INFORMATION AND TURNING IT INTO A VIABLE PLAN. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: SO WHEN DID YOU AND MS. BOYD TALK ABOUT

THE FIVE ELEMENTS? >> SPEAKER: I THINK THE MOST RECENT -- I GUESS PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WAS IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR WHEN I REALLY PUT PENCIL TO PAPER AS FAR AS DEVELOPING A PLAN. ALL THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD WERE BASICALLY RELATED TO HELPING NAN IDENTIFY BUDGETS FOR THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT SHE WAS TRYING TO PUT THINGS TOGETHER FOR THE GRANT APPLICATIONS. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: DID YOU

WRITE PART OF THE GRANT? >> SPEAKER: NO. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: WHEN YOU HAD THE DISCUSSION ON THE FIVE ELEMENTS, WERE YOU GIVEN ANY SPECIFICATIONS?

>> SPEAKER: NO WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE SPEVENGSS. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS, THE ORIGINAL GRANT CALLED FOR A PLAYGROUND 2,500 SQUARE FEET. YOUR PLAYGROUND IN THE LATEST DESIGN IS 7,500 FEET. THREE TIMES THE SIZE. SO HOW DID IT GO FROM 2,500 SQUARE FEET TO 7,500 SQUARE FEET AND WHO MADE THAT DECISION?

>> SPEAKER: I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT OCCASIONS. AND I THINK, NAN,

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YOU CAN CONFIRM THIS FOR ME. 2,500 SQUARE FEET PUT IN THE ORIGINAL GRANT APPLICATION WAS SOMEWHAT SORT OF ARBITRARY NUMBER, CORRECT? AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GOT INVOLVED WITH THE PROJECT AND WE WERE IDENTIFYING, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE SCALE OF THIS PLAYGROUND WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT WHAT'S ACTUALLY REALISTIC AND APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF SPACE TO ALLOCATE. AND TO GIVE A SENSE OF PROPORTION TO THIS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN VISUALIZE IT. PIRATE PLAYGROUND IS AROUND 11,000 SQUARE FEET. SO, THIS IS ABOUT TWO-THIRDS THE SIZE OF PIRATE PLAYGROUND. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR OPINION, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE THAT TO MAKE IT SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN THAT RESULTS IN EFFORT THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY REALLY WORTHWHILE. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ALL FELT LIKE MOVING FORWARD, THAT YOU ALL WANTED TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT THIS PLAYGROUND TO 5,000 SQUARE FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD WORK WITH THE 5,000 SQUARE FEET THAT YOU ALL GAVE US AS A PARAMETER. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY GOING TO BENEFIT ANYBODY. BUT, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WE'RE AT YOUR DISCRETION HERE. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: SO YOU ARE AWARE IN MAY WE VOTED ON FUNDING. AND THAT WAS 5-0. I BASED MY VOTE ON THE GRANT APPLICATION WHICH SAID THIS PLAYGROUND WOULD BE 2,500 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S WHAT I HAD TO GO ON. AND I HEARD YOU USE THE WORDS "ARBITRARY" AND "REALISTIC." SO HAD I KNOWN THAT THIS FOOTPRINT WAS GOING TO BE 7,500 SQUARE FEET, I NEVER WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THIS. TO FUND IT. QUITE FRANKLY. AND I THINK YOU CAN AGREE I WAS GOING ON THE BEST INFORMATION I HAD AT THE

TIME. >> SPEAKER: I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY A QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: NO THAT'S A STATEMENT. MY NEXT QUESTION IS --

MAYOR MILLER: MISS VOIGHT DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING >> I WAS GOING TO SAY WHEN PREPARING GRANT APPLICATIONS IT IS A PROPOSED PLAN. WE HAD NOT BEEN ON THE PROPERTY AT THAT POINT, SO WE DID NOT HAVE A SURVEY. SO, BASICALLY WHEN WE'RE SITTING DOWN AT A TABLE GOING OKAY WE WANT A PAVILION, I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG DO YOU WANT IT, WE DON'T KNOW. IT IS A SITE PLAN. WE USE THOSE PROPOSALS OR IDEAS AND COMPONENTS TO PUT IN THE GRANT APPLICATION TO SEND IT SO THEY CAN SAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO IN YOUR GRANT. THEY CAN CHANGE AND BE MOVED AROUND THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS JUST LIKE AT THIS STAGE WE HAVEN'T EVEN GONE TO OUR TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE SO THEY MIGHT SAY OH YOU GOT TO DO THIS, THIS AND THIS. SO WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE REVIEW WITH THE COMMITTEE AND GET ANYTHING SET IN STONE. SO, EVEN WHAT YOU SEE HERE, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE CAN SAY, NO, THAT PARKING LOT NEEDS TO DO THIS AND THIS. SO THE SIZE OF THE PLAYGROUND, WHEN A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK OF PLAYGROUNDS THEY THINK OF SLIDES AND BIG STRUCTURES.

THE WAY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THE DESIGN FOR THE PLAYGROUND WILL BE, YOU KNOW, YOU WILL HAVE YOUR ZERO TO FIVE. AND WE CAN KEEP THEM SEPARATE THIS THE OLDER KIDS AND THE COMPONENTS FEATURED IN THE SECTION OF THE PLAYGROUND. YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT SEPARATION. SO, WHEN WE SAY 2,500 SQUARE FEET, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ROUGHLY THE SIZE OF A HOUSE. SO, YOU CAN'T MANIPULATE IT AND THEME IT WITH LIKE WATER OR -- SO THAT'S WHY IT MAY BE OH YOU SAID IT'S GOING TO BE 20 BY 20. SO THAT'S WHY IT COMES ACROSS. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: MY LAST QUESTION IS. AND YOU ADDRESSED THIS BUT IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. AT A PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING, YOU DREW A LINE IN THE SAND AND SAID, IT'S EITHER SIMMONS ROAD PARCEL OR WE'RE NOT INTERESTED. DID I CAPTURE THAT CORRECTLY? SO, IF WE WERE TO SAY THE SOCCER FIELD, WE WERE TO SAY THE GOLF COURSE, IF WE WERE TO SAY BACK TO THE AIRPORT, 8 FLAGS HAS NO INTEREST IN PARTICIPATING IN ANY OF THOSE PARCELS?

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER YOU ARE RECOGNIZES. VICE MAYOR KREGER: I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF FIVE KEY ELEMENTS COMES UP. THE FIVE KEY ELEMENTS IS POLICY 6.0102 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I WANT TO GO BACK BRIEFLY TO WHEN WE HAD THE WORKSHOP AND

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THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF WHY IT'S THERE. THE REASON IT'S THERE IS BECAUSE THAT IS THE LOCATION OF INADEQUATESY OF PARKS IN THE CITY. WE HAVE A LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS WE WILL PROVIDE PARKS AND WE'RE USING IMPACT FUNDS. PEOPLE PAY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND MORE. AND WE'RE REQUIRED IN THE GRANT -- IT'S INTERESTING, WE TALK ABOUT COMP PLAN ISSUES. WE GOT HIGH RATINGS ON THE GRANT. THE STATE JUST DIDN'T FUND THE GRANT. AND WE DID BECAUSE WE MET THE COMP PLAN IN ALL ASPECTS. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THEN WE MET THE COMP PLAN AGAIN BY WHAT A THIRD PARTY SAYS OF COURSE WE KNEW WE MEAT THE COMP PLAN, MOST OF US, BECAUSE OUR STAFF HAVE REVIEWED IT. SO I GOT A BRIEF SLIDE PRESENTATION WHEN WE GET TO IT AND I'LL GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THINGS. BUT BASICALLY THIS PARK WAS DESIGNED CONSISTENTLY WITH THE COMP PLAN IN A LOCATION IDENTIFIED OF INADEQUATE PARKS IN THE COMP PLAN THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE. WE'VE COLLECTED MONEY TO DO THAT. ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO ADD. THIS KIND OF AN INTERESTING STATISTIC. AND IT'S REALLY NOT -- IT'S HARD TO DEFINE IT, BUT OF THE 12,000 PEOPLE IN THE CITY, 21.5% HAVE PEOPLE BELOW 18. I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE BREAKDOWN. NOT THAT PARKS ARE FOR KIDS, BUT, YOU KNOW, KIDS ARE A GOOD THING FOR PARKS. THE LAST COMMENT MADE AT OUR WORKSHOP AND SOME OF YOU WERE HERE, I THINK IT WAS THE 22ND OF MARCH, WAS KIDS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN TREES. AND IF YOU WANT EFFECTIVE CONSERVATION, NO BETTER WAY THAN TO GO OUT THERE AND EXPOSE THOSE KIDS. AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT THINK THE ANIMALS ARE GOING TO GO, HAVEN'T BEEN OUT TO FORT CLENCH LATELY WHERE THERE'S PARKS AND ANIMALS ALL OVER. SO I AM SUPPORTING THIS. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO SHOW MY SLIDE ANYMORE MAYOR MILLER: ARE YOU GOOD SIR? COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: IF I CAN JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING. YOU WERE QUESTIONED THAT IF THIS WENT TO A DIFFERENT SITE, 8 FLAGS WOULD NOT BE INTERESTED. IS THAT BECAUSE THE OTHER SITES DO NOT

MEET YOUR GOALS OF MAKING PARKS FOR ALL POSSIBLE DISABILITIES? >> SPEAKER: YES. LIKE I SAID IN MY PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, WE HOLD OURSELVES TO A VERY HIGH STANDARD AS FAR AS WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE FOR THE PROJECTS THAT WE CHOOSE TO GET INVOLVED WITH. AND WE ARE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT FACTORS WHEN WE DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ON A PROJECT OR NOT. SIMMONS ROAD PARK HAS ALL THOSE ELEMENTS THAT ARE OF INTEREST TO US AND SUPPORT OUR CAUSE. THE ALTERNATE SITES THAT PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP LIKE THE GOLF COURSE, THE AIRPORT, AND WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE I AM MISSING? THE SOCCER FIELDS. YOU KNOW, THEY JUST DON'T -- THEY DON'T MEET OUR STANDARDS AS FAR AS BEING UNIVERSALLY ACCESSIBLE AND BEING CONDUCIVE TO THE TYPE OF PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO BE INVOLVED WITH THEM COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: AND THAT WULD BE THE REASON YOU WOULDN'T PUT YOUR TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY

INTO THOSE ALTERNATIVE SITES? >> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT. MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. COMMISSIONER ROSS: WE CAN AGREE THAT YOU AND I MET AT YOUR OFFICE SOME TIME AGO. AND WE CAN AGREE AT THAT -- I ASKED YOU THE VERY QUESTION WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN OTHER PROJECTS AND YOU SAID, YES, TO MY RECOLLECTION.

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S TRUE. COMMISSIONER ROSS: HERE IS WHERE I AM GOING. WE HAVE SEVEN PARKS IN THE CITY. I WAS LED TO BELIEVE ONE OF THE REASONS I VOTED ORIGINALLY THAT ALL OF OUR PARKS WERE EQUALLY ACCEPTABLE AND WERE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL. IT TURNS OUT SIX OF THOSE SEVEN ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE WITH THE CITY IN MAKING ALL THOSE PARKS

ADA ACCESSIBLE AND WELCOMING TO ALL? >> SPEAKER: WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THE DEVELOPMENT OF SIMMONS ROAD PARK AND OUR ORGANIZATION IS 100% COMMITTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARK. AND WE BELIEVE IN IT FULLY. IF, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION THAT THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT IMPLYING THAT AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE WE WOULDN'T BE INTERESTED IN PARTNERING WITH THE CITY. YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR

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MISSION STATEMENT TO MAKE EVERYTHING AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE YOU KNOW. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS CITY TAKE ON THAT ROLE ITSELF TOO WITHOUT US BEING INVOLVED WITH IT. YOU KNOW, OUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS THAT WE'RE TEACHING YOU ALL HOW TO BE MORE BETTER AT PROVIDING ACCESSIBLE FACILITIES. THAT'S ULTIMATELY OUR GOAL. SO, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE, THE FUTURE IS THE FUTURE. COMMISSIONER ROSS: I'LL TAKE THAT AS A NO. ALL I'M ASKING IS

WE HAVE SIX PARKS -- >> SPEAKER: YOU COME TO US WITH A PROPOSAL AND WE'LL CONSIDER EACH PROPOSAL INDEPENDENTLY. AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SHUT DOWN ANY INFLUENCE IT COULD HAVE ON MAKING GREAT RECREATIONAL FACILITIES FOR THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH OR AMELIA ISLAND. SO, IF YOU HAVE OTHER OPTIONS, PRESENT THEM TO US, BUT WE MAY OR MAY NOT DECIDE TO PARTICIPATE DEPENDING UPON A NUMBER OF FACTORS.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: WELL THE OPTION IS WE HAVE SIX PARKS THAT ARE NOT ADA ACCESSIBLE.

MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I'D LIKE TO GET TO MY PRESENTATION. MAYOR MILLER: WE HAVE A NEW PROGRAM EVERY 90 MINUTES TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. MAKE IT A SOLID FIVE SO WE'RE BACK MAYOR MILLER: I'LL GIVE EVERYBODY A BRIEF MOMENT TO TAKE THEIR SEATS THEN WE'LL RECONVENE. OKAY WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. IT IS 36 MINUTES AFTER THE HOUR. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH AS WE LEFT IT YOU HAD A PRESENTATION? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I DO.

MAYOR MILLER: HOW MANY SLIDES, SIR? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: THERE'S 60 BUT I AM GOING TO SAY IT'S NOT 60 MINUTES. THEY WILL GO FAST.

MAYOR MILLER: THERE ARE 60 SLIDES. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: YEP.

AND FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD I HALF REDACTED SEVERAL SLIDES THAT I WILL BE SKIPPING. SO I AM COGNIZANT OF THE TIME. MAYOR MILLER: ARE THESE ALL THE SLIDES PROVIDED TO US? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I'M GOING TO SAY SKIP. AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. OKAY. YESTERDAY I HAD A MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY. FOLKS, THIS IS LIKELY TO BE APPROVED BY A 3-2 VOTE. THE CITY MANAGER SAID TO ME, MIKE, WHY YOU ARE DOING THIS PRESENTATION? IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE 3-2, WHY ARE YOU BOTHERING TO DO THIS? HERE'S WHY I AM DOING THIS PRESENTATION. THIS IS $400,000 OF PUBLIC MONEY THAT'S GOING TO BE SPENT ON THIS PARK. WHEN YOU SPEND $400,000, THAT NECESSITATES A PUBLIC ACCOUNTING. TRANSPARENCY OF HOW THIS PROJECT REACHED THIS COMMISSION. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PRESENTATION IS GOING TO TELL YOU. SO, I SUPPORT AN ADA COMPLIANT NATURE CENTER AT SIMMONS ROAD PARK. I SUPPORT THAT. WHAT I DON'T SUPPORT THE SIZE OF THE FOOTPRINT ON THIS PARCEL. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

HERE ARE THE PROBLEMS. YOU HAVE A FLAWED PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE REVIEW AND I WAS AT EVERY SINGLE MEETING. AND A FLAWED PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS. THE REALITY IS THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT HAVE PUBLIC SUPPORT. SECOND, THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE CITY PROPERTIES FOR THIS PLAYGROUND. NOW REMEMBER, I'M SAYING "PLAYGROUND" NOT PARK, THAT EXISTS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE DOWN TREES, WE DON'T HAVE TO CHASE OFF WILD LIFE, WE DON'T HAVE TO CUT INTO IT. NUMBER 3, YOU GOT TWO CONFLICTING INITIATIVES. WE'RE IMPOSING A TAX TO RAISE MONEY TO CONSERVE LAND. ON THE FLIP-SIDE WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $400,000 TO PLOW UNDER A PERFECTLY CONSERVATION LAND THAT WE ALREADY OWN. THAT'S GOVERNMENT INSANITY, FOLKS. NEXT SLIDE.

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>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION. MAYOR MILLER: GO AHEAD.

>> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH YOU SAID THERE ARE NO CITY SUPPORT. HOW WOULD YOU SUPPORT THAT STATEMENT? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: BY, A, ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE MEETINGS IN WHICH YOU AND I HAVE BEEN IN ATTENDANCE.

>> AT THE LAST ONE THERE WAS 14 PEOPLE WHO SPOKE. I DON'T CONSIDER THAT CITYWIDE SUPPORT NOT -- LACK OF SUPPORT FOR THIS PROGRAM. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: WE'RE GOING -- MAYOR MILLER: WE'LL GET BACK TO IT. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU. SO, EVERYONE SAYS THIS IS IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. NO IT'S NOT. THE PARKS THE 2015 PARK AND ASSOCIATES SAYS FERNANDINA BEACH NATURE CENTER.

HERE IT IS ON THE MAP. THE SIMMONS ROAD PARCEL FERNANDINA BEACH NATURE CENTER. IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE FIVE ELEMENTS THAT WERE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY. NEXT SLIDE. THE ORIGINAL PARK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AT THE AIRPORT. NEXT SLIDE. THE SITE WAS CHANGED TO SIMMONS ROAD BY THE CITY COMMISSION IN MARCH 2018. NEXT SLIDE. THAT IS ON THE LEFT. THAT IS THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT. THAT IS THE CONCEPT I VOTED ON. THE 2,500 SQUARE FOOT PLAYGROUND. NEXT SLIDE. SO THE APPLICATION WAS APPLIED FOR IN OCTOBER OF 2018. NEXT SLIDE. HERE'S WHAT THE GRANT SAYS. THIS WAS THE REVIEW PROCESS WHICH WE WANTED $200,000. SO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WOULD PROVIDE INPUT AND DIRECTION THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. THE AMELIA TREE CONSERVANCY WILL PROVIDE CONSULTING SERVICE TO ENSURE THE PROJECT HAS MINIMAL IMPACT ON TREES. 25 CITIZENS WHO ATTENDED THE MARCH 22ND PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE CONSULTED AND THEIR OPINIONS SOLICITED THROUGH THE PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION. AND THE FRIENDS OF AMELIA ISLAND TRAIL ASSOCIATION, THAT'S THE VIKING FOLKS, WOULD BE CONSULTED. NEXT SLIDE. THE GRANT ALSO STATES THE SITE IS SHADED WITH MANY LARGE TREES. IT DOESN'T SAY "SOME" IT SAYS "ALL" WILL BE PRESERVED. THE SECOND QUOTE SAYS CITIZENS WERE ASSURED THAT TREE CONSERVANCY, PERVIOUS SERVICES, ET CETERA, THE PROPOSED SIMMONS PARK WILL CONSISTENT MOSTLY OF CORE SERVICES AND REQUIRE VERY LITTLE TREE REMOVAL AND NO LARGE TREE REMOVAL. WE'RE LOSING 69 TREES.

>> CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE PLEASE. THE SECOND BULLET, THE AMELIA TREE CONSERVANCY A SUBSIDIARY OF THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST INCORPORATED. IS THAT THE CASE?

>> WE USED TO BE. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: MR. MAYOR THAT IS QUOTED DIRECTLY FROM THE GRANT. MAYOR MILLER: THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE THOUGH CORRECT.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> HOW CAN HE TALK ABOUT TRUTH IN GOVERNMENT AND HE PUTS A STATEMENT UP HERE THAT HE DOESN'T CONFIRM? MAYOR MILLER: I THINK THIS IS

OLD DATA. THAT'S WHAT I TOO. >> WHY IS IT IN HIS SLIDE? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: BECAUSE IT'S IN THE GRANT. MAYOR MILLER: LET'S JUST CONTINUE.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: DID YOU HEAR ME? I THINK WE ALL DID >> THEY HEARD FLU CLEVELAND.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. ALL OF THIS REVIEW PROCESS GOT FUNDED. BUT NOT FOLLOWED. SO WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THE GRANT WAS NOT FUNDED SO WE DIDN'T GET THE $200,000. SO NOW WE'RE ON THE HOOK FOR THE ENTIRE $400,000. WE ABANDON THE VERY GOOD REVIEW PROCESS AND THIS IS WHAT WE DO.

SO ON MARCH 20TH WE HAD A MEETING WITH EGANS BLUFF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I TRIED TO FIND OUT WHAT EXACTLY WAS SAID AT THE MEETING. WHO SAID WHAT. GUESS WHAT? THERE'S NO RECORD. NO RECORD OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTENDED OR ANY RECORDING OF MINUTES. NEXT SLIDE. HERE ARE THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATIONS THAT WE DIDN'T CONTACT. THERE ARE SIX OF THEM WITHIN A MILE OF THIS PARK. SO WE NEVER GOT ANY FEEDBACK. NEXT SLIDE. ON MARCH 22ND, WE HOSTED A COMMUNITY MEETING TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY RESIDENTS TO PROVIDE INPUT.

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ONCE AGAIN I WENT BACK AND SAID OKAY HOW MANY PEOPLE SPOKE, WHO SPOKE, WHAT DID THEY SAY. GUESS WHAT? WE HAVE NO RECORD. ZERO. NEXT SLIDE. ON OCTOBER 29TH, 8 FLAG WROTE A LETTER TO THE CITY NOTIFYING THE CITY OF THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THE PROJECT. BUT HERE'S REALITY. WE HAVE NO CONTRACT WITH 8 FLAGS PLAY SCAPES. THERE IS NO WRITTEN SCOPE OF WORK. THERE IS NO PUBLISHED BUDGET. AND THERE'S NO ACCOUNTING OF PUBLIC MONEYS ALREADY SPENT. NEXT SLIDE. SO THE MISSION OF THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2005. THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS: TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COMMISSION PLANS AND PROGRAMS DESIGNED TO MEET AND SATISFY RECREATIONAL NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARK SYSTEM. NEXT SLIDE. NOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED AT THESE PARK AND REC COMMITTEE MEETINGS IS THIS LETTER FROM THE GRANT IS DISPLAYED TO SHOW THE FIVE ELEMENTS THAT MR. MORRISON TALKED ABOUT. AND THIS WAS A LETTER FROM THE CITY MANAGER THAT ACCOMPANIED THE GRANT. SO, THIS HAS BEEN THE SCHEMATIC FOR THIS PARK EVEN THOUGH THE MASTER PLAN NEVER SAID PLAYGROUND, RESTROOMS, PAVILION. NEXT SLIDE. ALL RIGHT. IN THE JULY MEETING, DO YOU SEE ON THE AGENDA "PRESENTATION"? IT DOESN'T SAY PRESENTATION BY 8 FLAGS PLAY SCAPES. IT DOESN'T SAY PRESENTATION ON THE SIMMONS ROAD PARK PLAYGROUND. IT JUST SAYS "PRESENTATION." AND THE REASON I'M TELLING YOU THAT IS BECAUSE THE MEMBERS OF THE PARK AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE WERE BLIND SIDED BY THIS PRESENTATION. SKIP THAT ONE. SO YOU CAN SKIP THIS ONE AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. SO, AT THIS MEETING MICHAEL SAYS, I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A NATURE TYPE TRAIL WITH A FOCUS ON STUFF WE DON'T NORMALLY GET TO SEE. NEXT SLIDE. ERIC SAYS, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY A NATURE TRAIL IS NOW A FITNESS TRAIL. WE ALREADY HAVE FITNESS TRAILS. SO THE IMPLICATION FROM THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WAS WHAT STARTED OUT AS A NATURE TRAIL, NO PLAYGROUND, IS NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN MORPHED INTO SOMETHING ELSE. NEXT SLIDE. SO THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT CHOICES WERE MADE BY PARKS AND REC AND 8 FLAGS AND THIS IS AN EMAIL ON JULY 23RD. THE PARK DESIGN WASN'T EVEN FINALIZED WHEN THEY WERE MAKING PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT CHOICES. NEXT SLIDE. SO, AT THE AUGUST PARKS AND REC MEETING THERE IS NO QUORUM, THERE'S NO MINUTES, THERE'S NO VIDEO. AND, OF COURSE, THE MEMBERS WHO WERE IN ATTENDANCE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE JULY DESIGN. NEXT SLIDE. THEY WERE TOLD BY MS. VOIGHT, THE PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR, IT'S NOT THE ROLE OF THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO BE REVIEWING OR APPROVING PARK PLANS. SO THAT SHUT DOWN ANY REVIEW PROCESS.

AAIN, THERE'S THE MISSION OF THE PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE. NEXT SLIDE. AFTER I WENT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND REPORTED TO HIM WHAT HAD HAPPENED IN THE AUGUST MEETING, MS. VOIGHT SENT THIS EMAIL TO THE CHAIRPERSON OF PARKS AND REC. PARKS AND VEHICLE SHOULD BE REVIEWING PARK PLANS AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COMMISSION. SO, YOU CAN SEE THE CONFUSION THE PARKS AND REC MEMBERS HAVE ABOUT WHAT THEIR ROLE WAS. WHAT WERE THEY SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. WHAT WERE WE CONSIDERING? IN AUGUST THE EQUIPMENT WAS ORDER. $52,730. AND THE CHAIRWOMAN AT THE TIME SAID, NEARLY $60,000 HAS BEEN SPENT ON A PLAYGROUND THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN DESIGNED.

THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE. SEW THIS IS THE SEPTEMBER PARKS AND REC MEETING AND THIS IS A QUOTE FROM

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THE DISCUSSION WHERE THEY SAY WE OWE IT TO THE PEOPLE. SO, IF YOU PLAY THIS VIDEO PT VOIGHT.

TIME-OUT UNTIL WE GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT. WE'LL TAKE T UNTIL WE GET IT STRAIGHTENED OT. WE'LL TAKE A TIME-OUT UNTIL WE GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT. WE'LL TAKE A TIME-OUT UNTIL WE GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT. WE'LL TAKE A TIME-OUT UNL WE GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT. W WE GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT. W WE GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT. WE' GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT.

THE VIDEOS WERE ON THE SERVER SO IT SHOULD THE VIDEOS WERE ON THO IT SHOULD BE WORKING. IT SHOULD

GO. AND CAN YOU TURN UP THE VOLUME. >> SO NOW WE'RE MOVING FULLY TAXPAYER FUNDED BUT THERE WAS NO FEEDBACK MECHANISM GOING BACK TO THE PUBLIC AND SAYING OKAY DO WE STILL WANT THIS. AND I THINK WE DO. BUT I JUST THINK WE OWE IT TO THE PEOPLE TO SAY OKAY WE

DIDN'T GET THE MONEY DO WE STILL WANT TO DO THIS? >> AND WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PLAYGROUND -- I MEAN, MY CONCERN AND AGAIN I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO DETAILS OF THE PROJECT BUT WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PURCHASED NOT KNOWING WHETHER THE COMMISSION IS GOING APPROVE THE BUDGET TO ARE THE REST OF THE

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CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARK. SO WE COULD HAVE MORE STUFF STUCK IN SUNRISE PARK THAT IS EXTRA PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT WITHOUT KNOWING FOR SURE. WHICH IS WHY I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE OF A RECORD OF THE COMMISSION'S INTENTIONS WITH THIS PARK. AND I AGREE WITH MICHAEL. IF IT WERE POSSIBLE TO HAVE MORE TRANS TRANSPARENT, OPEN AND DOCUMENTED PUBLIC INPUT THAT WOULD BE EXCELLENT AS WELL. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: CAN WE GET THE VOLUME? THAT'S MAXED OUT? REALLY? WOW. ALL RIGHT. SO, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THAT VIDEO CLIP THEY'RE STRUGGLING WITH PUBLIC INPUT. THEY'RE STRUGGLING WITH THE PROCESS.

AND ABOUT AN HOUR LATER THERE'S CONSIDERATION OF STOPPING THE PROCESS. ERIC WHO IS HERE IS ABOUT TO TRY TO MAKE A MOTION TO STOP THE PROCESS. AND MR. MORRISON INTERJECTS. AND I WANT TO MAKE A NOTE HERE THAT HE'S GOING TO MAKE TWO COMMENTS. AND THESE COMMENTS OCCUR ABOUT TWO MINUTES APART. ALTHOUGH IN THE VIDEO THEY WILL APPEAR AS IF THEY WERE BACK-TO-BACK. SO IT WAS EDITED IN ORDER TO CONSERVE TIME. IF YOU WILL PLAY THE VIDEO, PLEASE

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MOTION TO STOP THE PROCESS. AND MR. KEPLER SAYS, WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS WE'RE MOVING

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FROM PLANNING TO IMPLEMENTATION. AND HE INTERRUPTS HIM AND THIS IS HIS QUOTE. WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IS WHAT THE CITY IS REALLY GOOD AT. WHICH IS DOING NOTHING. BUT STOPPING THINGS.

YOU GUYS ARE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB AT STOPPING THINGS. THAT'S A SCREEN CAPTURE OF MR. MORRISON

RIGHT WHEN HE SAID IT. >> AND I STILL STAND BEHIND THAT STATEMENT.

MAYOR MILLER: PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. NEXT SLIDE. SO, AT THE OCTOBER MEETING, THE ONE IN WHICH THE VOTE WAS TAKEN, MR. BARTELL SAYS THE FOLLOWING. THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AND THEIR PARTNER 8 FLAGS HAVE PUSHED THE SIMMONS ROAD SITE CONSISTENTLY AND RELENTLESSLY AND OUR INVOLVEMENT IN THE PROCESS HAS BEEN HAMPERED BY A LACK OF CLARITY BY THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY ROLE IN THE PROCESS AND THE PARKS AND REC'S DEPARTMENT LACK OF TRANSPARENCY ABOUT THE PROJECT AND ITS RELATIONSHIP WITH 8 FLAGS. MEMBER PUGH SAYS... NOT MANY RESIDENTS WERE INVOLVED IN THE INITIAL MEETINGS AND THAT'S A CONCERN. THIS IS A PARK BEING BUILT BY THE CITY AND PAID FOR BY CITY RESIDENTS. MY SECOND CONCERN THAT IS THE VERY FIRST PLAN WE SAW ON ANY SCALE WAS AUGUST. ACTUALLY IT WAS JULY. THIS IS OCTOBER. THIS IS GOING TO BE DRIVEN BEHIND THE SCENES, SO WHAT'S OUR ROLE? NEXT SLIDE UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS A VIDEO THAT ISN'T GOING TO BE LOAD, BUT WHAT THE VIDEO SHOWS ARE COMMENTS FROM THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS IN WHICH THEY DISCUSS THE SIMMONS ROAD PARCEL AND THE FACT THAT FUTURE CITY COMMISSIONS MIGHT REZONE IT AND SELL IT TO DEVELOPERS. SO, THEIR POINT IN VOTING FOR THIS PROPOSAL WASN'T BECAUSE THEY WERE IN LOVE WITH THE DESIGN, IT WAS THAT BY BUILDING A PARK ON THIS LAND IT WOULD PROTECT IT FROM HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S WHY IT PASSED 4-1. NEXT SLIDE AND THIS VIDEO, WHICH OF COURSE WILL NOT LOAD, CHAIRWOMAN DUNCAN ESSENTIALLY SAYS, PARKS ARE SUPPOSED TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY. NO ONE IS HAPPY ABOUT THIS PARK BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE BUY-IN. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY HER QUOTE. NEXT SLIDE: SO NOVEMBER 12TH, A WEEK AGO TODAY WE HAVE ANOTHER PARKS AND REC MEETING. NEXT SLIDE MEMBER KEG LER SAYS... I'M GETTING A LOT OF FLACK BECAUSE OF THE MADGE NATIONS OF OUR GOVERNMENT. MACHINATIONS. WE DIDN'T GET TO LOOK AT ANY OTHER OPTIONS. SO, IN OTHER WORDS, THIS DESIGN WAS THE ONLY OPTION SUPPLIED TO THE COMMITTEE. THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS WE SHOULD INVESTIGATE TO MAKE SURE WE THOROUGHLY VET THIS PROCESS. MOST PEOPLE WANT SOME TYPE OF RECREATION. IT'S JUST WHAT TYPE OF RECREATION NEXT SLIDE MEMBER PUGH SAYS IT FEEL IT WAS A PREPLAY TOUR VOTE AND I NEVER FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROCESS. IT'S TIME TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE PROCESS AND THE OPTIONS SO THAT YOU AS RESIDENTS AND US AS A COMMITTEE FEEL WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH. SO, HERE THEY'RE HAVING COMPLETE SECOND THOUGHTS ABOUT THE PREVIOUS MONTH'S VOTE.

THEY'RE NOT HAPPY NEXT SLIDE SO THERE ARE TWO MOTIONS MADE AND PASSED. MOTION 1. THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECONSIDERS ITS PREVIOUS VOTE FOR THE APPROVAL OF SIMMONS ROAD PARK. THAT PASSED 4-1. THE SECOND MOTION. CONSIDERATION OF THE SIMMONS ROAD PARK NOT BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COMMISSION AT THEIR NOVEMBER 19TH MEETING BECAUSE THE FURTHER STUDY AND EVALUATION NEEDS TO BE DONE BY THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THAT PASSED 4-1. THE MEETING ADJOURNED AT ABOUT 5:45 P.M.

NEXT SLIDE 90 MINUTES LATER, COMMISSION CHAPMAN EMAILED THE CITY

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MANAGER. PARKS AND REC VOTED 4-1 THEY ASK THAT SIMMONS PARK BE PULLED FROM THE AGENDA.

PLEASE DO NOT PULL IT. TWO HOURS LATER, VICE MAYOR KRIEGER WHO WAS IN CHICAGO HAVING FUN VISITING I THINK FAMILY, EMAILED... I STRONGLY RECOMMEND IT DID NOT BE PULLED. SO, WITHIN TWO HOURS OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT WE MADE A MISTAKE, WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT, WE WANT TO RECONSIDER IT, WE WANT TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS, TWO COMMISSIONERS WRITE AND SAY NO, LEAVE IT ON THE AGENDA. NEXT SLIDE. WHAT I JUST REVIEWED, THERE ARE TWO PARTS OF GOVERNMENT. THERE'S THE EXTERNAL PART WHICH IS PUBLIC.

THERE'S THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, THE PUBLIC VOTES, THE VIDEOS THAT YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND WATCH, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE. THEN THERE'S THE INTERNAL PROCESS. THE WAY CITY STAFF WORKS, THE WAY THE CITY WORKS. THAT'S HIDDEN FROM YOU. YOU DON'T SEE THAT. SO, WHAT HAPPENED IS IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THIS PROJECT, I DID A SUNSHINE LAW REQUEST ON ALL EMAILS. AND I WENT THROUGH ABOUT 300 EMAILS FROM EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS, FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE CITY MANAGER, THE PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR, THE PLANNING AND CORN SIR INVESTIGATION DIRECTOR. SO, EVERYONE WHO CALLS THIS EMAIL FROM THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE THIS WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR THE OCTOBER CITY COMMISSION MEETING. AND THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THIS VIOLATED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO, THIS WAS WRITTEN ON OCTOBER 15TH. NEXT SLIDE. SO ON OCTOBER 16TH, CHERYL WOOD, WHO IS HERE IN ATTENDANCE, WROTE AN OPINION TO KATIE WHO IS YOUR ASSISTANT, TAMMI BACH'S ASSISTANT, SAYING PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. IT'S HER OPINION ON HOW THE PARK MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN THE COMP PLAN. NOW YOU CAN SEE IN THE UPPER CORNER THAT NAN VOIT WAS COPIED ON THIS EMAIL. NEXT EMAIL PLEASE. SO, AN HOUR, ABOUT AN HOUR AFTER THIS EMAIL WENT OUT, IT WAS FORWARDED FROM NAN TO THE PLANNING AND CONSERVATION DIRECTOR KELLY GIBSON. SO IT GOES TO TAMMI BACH AND TO KELLY GIBSON. NEXT SLIDE. KELLY GIBSON TAKES THE EMAIL AND BEAR WITH ME A SECOND AND WORKS SEVERAL HOURS ON A TEN-PAGE -- TEN PAGES OF TALKING POINTS ON WHY THE SIMMONS ROAD PARK DESIGN MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SHE WRITES THIS TEN-PAGE SUMMARY. OKAY. I NEVER FINALIZED FOR THE FORMATTING. PLEASE USE IT AS YOU SEE FIT. NAN VOIT TAKES THIS DOCUMENT AND MS. WOODS' DOCUMENT AND FORWARDS IT TO THE MAYOR. IT GOES THE MAYOR, JOHNNY MILLER. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO, THIS -- I WONDERED WHAT THIS THE HECK WAS THIS EMAIL CHAIN ALL ABOUT. AND WHO IS MS. WOOD? SO, I TELEPHONE MS. WOOD AND I IDENTIFY MYSELF AS CITY COMMISSIONER MIKE LEAD. AND I -- LED OH WITCH. I HAVE AN EMAIL FROM YOU IN WHICH YOU TALK ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMP CODE. ARE YOU AN ATTORNEY? OR YOU A CONSULTANT? WHO ARE YOU? SHE SAYS TO ME, I'M JUST SOMEBODY. I SAID WELL DID SOMEBODY ASK YOU TO WRITE THIS OPINION? DID SOMEONE MAKE A REQUEST? AND HER ANSWER WAS: NO, I'M AN INTERESTED CITIZEN; I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS PROPOSAL AND I USED TO BE ON THE NASSAU PLANNING AND ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND I ASKED HER, WELL DID YOU KNOW YOUR EMAIL HAD BEEN FORWARDED ALL THE WAY TO THE MAYOR? AND SHE SAID, I HAD NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED TO MY EMAIL.

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SO I THANKED HER FOR BEING AN ENGAGED CITIZEN AND BEING INTERESTED IN CITY ISSUES AND OFFERING HER OPINION. I HANG UP. ABOUT TWO MINUTES GO BY AND SHE CALLS ME BACK. SHE SAYS ESSENTIALLY... I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH PUBLIC RECORDS AND I NEED TO TELL YOU THAT I'M ON THE BOARD OF 8 FLAGS PLAY SCAPES. I SAID, ARE YOU AN OFFICER? SHE SAID, YES. I AM THE TREASURER.

I'M SORRY I DIDN'T DISCLOSE THAT. SO, ESSENTIALLY, WE HAVE AN OPINION WRITTEN BY THE TREASURER OF 8 FLAGS PLAY SCAPE THAT WENT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, WAS FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. THAT GENERATED A TEN-PAGE OPINION WHICH WAS THEN FORWARDED TO THE MAYOR. NEXT SLIDE. SO, WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? BECAUSE IT'S TRANSPARENCY OF HOW YOUR GOVERNMENT IS MAKING DECISIONS. NONE OF THAT INFORMATION WAS SHARED WITH THE CITY MANAGER.

THE CITY MANAGER KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS UNTIL I TOLD HIM. THAT OPINION AND KELLY'S OPINION WERE NOT SHARED WITH THE OTHER FOUR COMMISSIONERS. NOT UNTIL I ASKED THAT IT BE SHARED. SO, MAYOR MILLER HAS THIS INFORMATION AND MEETS WITH MR. MORRISON. FOLLOWING THAT MEETING, THE VERY FIRST MONDAY, MAYOR MILLER ASKS THAT THIS BE PLACED BACK ON THE AGENDA. THAT SAME DAY ABOUT SIX HOURS LATER, COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN ASKED THAT IT BE PLACED BACK ON THE AGENDA.

NEXT SLIDE. MAYOR MILLER: ONE SECOND. YOU USED MY NAME ABOUT SIX TIMES.

BEFORE YOU GO ANY FURTHER. THAT EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FROM CHERYL WOOD, THAT WAS A RESPONSE TO ME ASKING A QUESTION OF MS. VOIT ABOUT -- IT WAS PULLED OFF THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE -- THERE WERE QUESTIONS IF IT FOLLOWD THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO I ASKED THAT QUESTION. SHE SAID WE'VE SEEN OPINIONS THEY ARE. AND SHE SENT ME THAT.

MY FIRST PHONE CALL WAS TO KELLY GIBSON ASKING HER THE SAME QUESTION. AND IN THAT CONVERSATION I SAID BY THE WAY I GOT AN EMAIL FROM SOMEONE CHERYL WOOD WHO IS THAT. KELLY LAUGHED AND SAID THAT'S NOT NON-FACTOR SHE IS JUST A CITIZEN. NO WAY WAS THE MS. WOOD EMAIL IN ANY DECISION MAKING THAT HAPPENED WHATSOEVER. THE CONVERSATION WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY ATTORNEY WHEN I ASKED DOES THIS MEET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH IS WHY IT WAS PULLED OFF THE FIRST TIME I WAS TOLD YES IT DOES FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THEN I CALLED DALE AND SAID IF IT FOLLOWS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IT'S BACK ON THE AGENDA.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHY IT WAS PULLED OFF. SO, THERE'S NO SMOKING GUN. THERE'S NO NEFARIOUS EMAILS FROM SOME MYSTERY WOMAN. I GET 100 EMAILS. I DISREGARDED THAT BECAUSE I KNOW OF -- THERE'S NO TITLE IN HER NAME. THERE WAS NO SIGNATURE. THOSE ARE NORMALY ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OFFICIAL EMAIL. SO, DURING OUR CONVERSATION I SAID WHO IS CHERYL WOOD. SHE SAID I -- I THOUGHT SHE SAID SHE USED TO BE ON THE SCHOOL BOARD BUT I GUESS SHE SAID THE COUNTY OR SOMETHING. WHICH AGAIN IS COUNTY NOT CITY. SO, I DON'T CARE -- JUST LIKE WHEN ANOTHER COMMISSIONER SAYS SOMETHING IS ON THE COMP -- I DON'T LISTEN TO THEM I LISTEN TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I WAS UNDERSTANDING. MAYOR MILLER: YOU MENTIONED MY NAME SEVERAL TIMES AND TRANSPARENCY. THERE WAS NO LACK OF TRANSPARENCY. THAT'S ALL PUBLIC RECORD.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: THE POINT BEING MR. MAYOR THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU WAS NOT PROVIDED TO THE REST OF US. MAYOR MILLER: IT HAS NO INFLUENCE ON MY DECISION MAKING WHATSOEVER. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: THAT'S FINE. I AM GOING TO MOVE ON. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THESE ALTERNATIVE SITES FOR THE PLAYGROUND. SO, NEXT SLIDE. HERE'S THE SITE ON THE GOLF COURSE. THIS IS NEXT TO THE CLUBHOUSE THAT'S PART IN YELLOW IS A GREAT SITE FOR THE PLAY PLAYGROUND. YOU CAN CUT THE TRAIL THROUGH THAT FOREST. AND THAT'S A MOSQUITO CONTROLLED ROAD. THAT'S ABOUT SEVEN TENTHS OF A MILE THROUGH THE WOODS THAT ENDS AT A POND. NEXT. THE SOCCER FIELDS HAVE BEEN MENTIONED. AND NEXT. THE AIRPORT. THE ORIGINAL SITE.

THOSE ARE THE ALTERNATIVE SITES. WE CAN MOVE ON. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PARCEL. THE 6.6 ACRES THAT HAVE WETLANDS ON THEM. SO, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LANDS.

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PROPERTIES WITHIN WETLANDS PROTECTION ZONES OR WETLANDS TRANSITION AREAS. CHECK.

HABITAT OF FEDERALLY OR STATE LISTED THREATENED OR ENDANGERED SPECIES. CHECK. HAS IDENTIFIED DURING DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WHICH THIS WAS. BECAUSE IF I RECALL MR. MORRISON'S COMMENTS TO PARKS AND REC, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE WETLANDS ON THAT SITE UNTIL THEY GOT BACK THERE. SO, CHECK.

NEXT SLIDE. ALL RIGHT. I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS -- THE ORIGINAL GRANT APPLICATION SAYS... 2,500 SQUARE FEET. OKAY. BUT NOW WE'RE PRESENTED TONIGHT WITH A PLAYGROUND THAT'S THREE TIMES THAT SIZE. THREE TIMES. NEXT. SO, THIS IS A VIDEO IN WHICH MR. MORRISON AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO QUOTE YOU CORRECTLY. FIE GET IT WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME. HE'S TALKING BEFORE THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND TALKING ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PLAYGROUND. AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT HE SAYS IS WE'RE GOING TO WORK THE PLAYGROUND AROUND THE TREES AND YOU WILL NOT LOSE A SINGLE TREE. AND HE ALSO SAYS... YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CARE FOOTAGE IT'S AN APPROXIMATION BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF AREA OF ONE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. ONE SINGLE-FAMILY

HOUSE. >> NO. I SAID -- MAYOR MILLER: MR. MORRISON AT THE END ADDRESS IT AND AT THE MICROPHONE. AFTER WE LET HIM FINISH. AS POINT OF ORDER YOU DID SAY MR. MORRISON IF YOU'D LIKE TO BE CORRECTED HE IS WELCOME. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO

DO THAT PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM WHEN HE FINISHES. >> IT'S NOT IMPORTANT.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: NEXT SLIDE. HERE IS REALITY. THE TOTAL INFRASTRUCTURE OF THIS PARK DESIGN IS 28,000 SQUARE FEET. APPROXIMATELY. I LIVE IN A 2,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME.

THAT'S 13-AND-A-HALF HOUSES. 13-AND-A-HALF HOUSES YOU ARE GOING TO PUT ON THIS PARCEL.

NEXT SLIDE. THAT'S 69 TREES. 66 OAKS AND 3 PINES ACCORDING TO THE LATEST TREE SURVEY THEY PROVIDED US. NEXT SLIDE. YOU CAN SKIP THIS. ALL RIGHT. SO, DR. PAT FOSTER, SHE HAS A PHD IN ZOOLOGY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. REGULARLY HIRED FOR BIODIVERSITY RELATED WORK THROUGHOUT ASIA, AFRICA, CENTRAL NEW YORK, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. NEXT SLIDE. AND SHE WROTE TO US AND ESSENTIALLY SHE SAID... IN THE END THIS IS NOT A NATURE TRAIL. BY THE TIME THE CENTER OF THE PARCEL IS CLEARED OF UNDER BRUSH TO PROVIDE FOR A PLAYGROUND, RESTROOMS, PARKING LOT, AND RETENTION PONDS, THERE IS NOTHING MUCH LEFT FOR NATURE AND MOST WILD LIFE WILL HAVE DISAPPEARED. THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE OF SHOWING PEOPLE NATURE AND WILD LIFE WILL BE DEFEATED WHEN THE BIRDS AND MAMMALS MOVE ELSEWHERE. JUST PROTECTING TREES ON THIS PARCEL IS NOT ENOUGH. THE EXISTING DENSE UNDER BRUSH PALMETTOS AND OTHER NATIVE PLANTS IS IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE AS WELL. NOW HERE'S WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT DR. FOSTER-TURLEY. SHOW THE NEXT SLIDE. SHE'S NOT SAYING DON'T BUILD IT. SHE IS ACTUALLY FOR IT. SHE SAYS, A PARK WITH ACCESSIBLE NATURE TRAIL AND PICNIC AREA IS WONDERFUL. WONDERFUL. AND ADDS SOME NATURE ATTRACTIONS LIKE AN OBSERVATION AREA OVER A SMALL FRESH WATER SOURCE TO BRING IN WILD LIFE FOR PEOPLE TO SEE. SO, SHE'S FOR I. SHE'S JUST SAYING, DON'T BUILD SO MUCH STUFF ON THE PROPERTY YOU DESTROY THE VERY INTENT OF THE PARK. SO MY QUESTION IS DO WE LISTEN TO A PHD AND WILD LIFE BIOLOGY OR DO WE LISTEN TO A DESIGNER? WHO'S THE EXPERT ON THIS LAND? WHAT'S BEST TO DO WITH CITY OWNED LAND. NEXT SLIDE. ALL RIGHT. AND WITH THE MASTER PLAN IT TALKS ABOUT A HALF MILE RADIUS. SO, WITHIN A HALF MILE RADIUS OF THIS PARK ARE 657 HOUSES. 18 PERCENT ARE IN THE CITY. 82% ARE IN THE COUNTY. SO, ESSENTIALLY WE'RE BUILDING A

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COUNTY PARK WITH OUR $400,000. NEXT SLIDE. SO, HERE ARE SOME SOLUTIONS. I'M NOT IN OPPOSITION TO THE PARK. I SAID THAT IN THE BEGINNING. LET'S HAVE AN ADA NATURE CENTER.

OKAY. LET'S PUT THIS BACK IN THE LAP OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

THAT'S WHAT THEY VOTED TO DO. THEY DON'T EVEN WANT -- THEY DON'T EVEN ENDORSE THIS PARK.

ALL RIGHT. SO, LET'S SEND IT BACK TO THEM. WHAT IS OUR RUSH TO SPEND THIS MONEY? WHAT IS OUR RUSH TO BUILD THIS PARK? NEXT SLIDE. AND THERE'S THE RESOLUTION THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT. THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS ON THE SIZE OF THESE PARK ELEMENTS. THIS IS THE THIRD ITERATION OF THIS EVOLVING PARK DESIGN. FOR ALL WE KNOW THE NEXT ITERATION YOU HEARD AN 11,000 SQUARE FOOT PLAYGROUND MENTIONED. SO, WHO KNOWS, SO THERE'S NO RESTRICTIONS ON THE ELEMENTS NOR IS THERE ANY MECHANISM FOR OVERSIGHT AND CONTROL. THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE WILL LOOK AT THE PLANS AND SAY DO THEY MEET THE CODE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SAY, OH, THE PLAYGROUND DOESN'T MEET THE SPECS. THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO SAY, DOES THIS CONFORM TO OUR CODE? SO, WHERE'S THE OVERSIGHT? WHERE ARE THE SPECS ON THIS PARK? NEXT SLIDE. HERE ARE THE TOP SHELF ISSUES. THIS COMMISSION HAS SAID THE WATERFRONT PARK IS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY. THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE GOAL. SIMMONS ROAD PARK ISN'T EVEN ON THE LIST.

THE $400,000 WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ON SIMMONS ROAD PARK TAKES FUNDS AWAY TO COMMISSIONER ROSS'S POINT, IMPACT FEES, FROM PAYING FOR THE WATERFRONT PARK. FINALLY, WHAT'S THE RUSH. LET'S BUILD THE WATERFRONT PARK THAT EVERYBODY WANTS FIRST. THEN, FINALLY, I WILL WRAP UP WITH THIS. THERE'S WHAT YOU SAY AND WHAT YOU DO. AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS YOU KNOW WHAT CITIZENS WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU HALF A MILL FOR LAND CONSERVATION ACQUISITION. HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $400,000 OF PUBLIC FUNDS TO BULLDOZE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LANDS THAT THE CITY ALREADY OWNS. THAT'S UPSIDE DOWN, FOLKS. WHAT WE SAY, WE SAY WE WANT TO INCREASE TREE CANOPY BY FIVE PERCENT BY 2024. BUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WE'RE GOING DESTROY 69 TREES. WE SAY WE WANT A 2020 CONSE CONSERVATION REFERENDUM. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WE'RE GOING TO ERODE THE TRUST OF VOTERS BY BUILDING THIS PARK BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TRUST THE CITY TO MANAGE ITS OWN LAND. AND, WITH THAT, I CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION. MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT THEN I HAVE LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES OF SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SAY. THAT IS APPROPRIATE? MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. VICE MAYOR KREGER: I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF BIG COMMENTS. THE PARK MASTER PLAN AND THE NATURE CENTER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. THIS IS A LEVEL OF SERVICE ONE HALF MILE IN THE COMP PLAN. ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS READ THE GRANT AND YOU WILL SEE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. AS FAR AS MONEY. THIS COUNTY/CITY THING. THOSE HOUSES THAT YOU OVERED IN THE CITY HAVE PAID OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN IMPACT FEES TO PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE DUE TO GROWTH IN AN AREA THAT'S A PARK DESERT. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S THERE. IT WAS PICKED BECAUSE OF THAT REASON.

BECAUSE IT'S IN THE BLANK SPOT. THAT'S ALL IN THE COMP PLAN. IT'S INTERESTING MY COMMENT ABOUT PUTTING IT BACK -- NOT REMOVING IT FROM TONIGHT'S AGENDA. I WAS NEVER ASKED ABOUT THE FIRST AGENDA. AND THE WHOLE ISSUE OF COMP PLAN -- YOU KNOW IT'S COMP AND PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMP PLAN IS. THEY FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM WEAPONIZES IT TO USE IT IS

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WHAT THEY WANT. THE COMP PLAN IS NOT AN ORDINANCE. IT CONTRADICTS ITSELF ALL THE TIME.

BUT, IN THIS CASE, WE WERE SCORED SIGNIFICANTLY HIGH BECAUSE OF COMPLIANCE WITH OUR COMP PLAN. IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE ARE ENTILED TO IT AND PAID FOR IT. IT HAS NO RELATIONSHIP MONEY WISE. THAT AREA IS NOT IN AB IMPACT AREA THAT'S IMPACTED THAT SERVES THE PEOPLE WHO PAY THE IMPACT FUNDS. THAT'S PART OF THE DUAL NEXUS OF THE STATE LAW. SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IN THERE AND OTHER THINGS, AND THOSE ANIMALS AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE. THEY'RE STAYING THERE. JUST LOOK AROUND. THEY'RE STAYING AT THE GOLF COURSE. THEY'RE ALL OVER. IT'S EDUCATIONAL WISE I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER THING FOR KIDS TO BE EXPOSED TO NATURE AND FUTURE LAND USE RECREATION.

ZONE RECREATION. SO, WE'RE GOING DO A LITTLE RECREATION, YOU KNOW, IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY.

AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT IT. I SUPPORTED IT FROM THE BEGINNING. I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY IT GOT PULLED. I THINK THERE WAS A LEGAL ISSUE. I NEVER SAW A LEGAL ISSUE. I NEVER SAW KELLY'S THING. I HELP WRITE THIS COMP PLAN 11 YEARS AGO. AND I KNEW IT WAS IN COMPLIANCE. CAN I FIND SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE? SURE. WE CAN DO THAT FOR ANYTHING WE DO IN THE CITY. I'M DONE. MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: CITY MANAGER IF YOU WOULD CALL UP HIS PRESENTATION PLEASE. THERE WE GO. ON THIS SLIDE IT SAYS WHAT WE SAY. INCREASE TREE CANOPY BY FIVE PERCENT. A LITTLE STORY. JOHN MAN DRICK HAD TO CUT DOWN SIX TREES FOR HIS SOLAR FARM. HE WANTED TO PLANT SIX TREES TO REPLACE THE SIX HE HAD TO CUT DOWN. TO THIS DAY THOSE TREES ARE NOT PLANTED ADDING TO THE TREE CANOPY BECAUSE TWO COMMISSIONERS HAD TO GET THEIR FINGERS IN IT AND SAY DON'T PUT IT THERE, PUT IT THERE. DON'T PUT IT THERE, PUT IT THERE. SO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INCREASING TREE CANOPY, LET'S BE TRUTHFUL. TREE CANOPY IS INCREASED BY PLANTING A TREE. THEY SHOULD HAVE GONE TO MR. MANDRICK AND SAID GET THE TREES IN THE GROUND. HE IS WAITING TO PUT THESE TREES IN. IF YOU WILL GO BACK UP -- YOU TALK ABOUT -- TO THIS ONE? TALKS ABOUT COUNTY HOUSES. I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED THAT SOMEBODY WHO WAS EXTREMELY AGAINST PAID BEACH PARKING, GIVING COUNTY RESIDENTS A FREE RIDE ON OUR BEACHES, WOULD GET UPSET WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A PARK THAT MAYBE COUNTY RESIDENTS USE. I FIND THAT A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTRADICTION. EITHER COUNTY RESIDENTS PAY OR THEY DON'T PAY. BUT LET'S BE CONSISTENT. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER KREGER. THE ANIMALS ARE GOING TO MOVE, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DISAPPEAR. THIS PARK CLOSES AT DUSK. THEY WILL BE OUT THERE AFTER DUSK.

IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN DEER YOU DON'T SEE THEM OUT IN THE DAYTIME MUCH. YOU SEE THEM OUT AT DUSK. WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE WITH THE AIRPORT. SINCE YOU HAVE LOTS OF ANSWERS PLEASE INFORM ME AND THE PUBLIC HOW THIS WOULD BE A GOOD SITE FOR AUTISTIC CHILDREN.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: GO TO THE ORIGINAL SLIDE WHERE THE CITY WAS PROPOSING THIS? I'M GIVING YOU YOUR ANSWER, SIR. YOU CAN READ IT. THE CITY'S OWN WORDS.

>> COMMISSIONER: I'M NOT ASKING THE CITY WORDS I WANT YOUR WORD. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: WHY THIS

WAS A GOOD SITE. >> COMMISSIONER: TELL ME WHAT IT IS. DID THE CITY ANSWER MY QUESTION? HOW IS THIS A GOOD LOCATION FOR AUTISTIC CHILDREN? DID THE CITY ANSWER THAT QUESTION? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: NOT IN THEIR NARRATIVE.

>> COMMISSIONER: THEN PLEASE YOU ANSWER IT IN YOUR NARRATIVE. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I'M NOT

AN EXPERT IN AUTISM. >> COMMISSIONER: SO YOU DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD WORK FOR AUTISTIC CHILDREN? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I DO NOT.

>> COMMISSIONER: THANK YOU. I'M JUST ASKING. GO UP TO THE NEXT ONE FOR THE GOLF COURSE. NOW IF

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I READ THIS CORRECTLY, THE LOCATION OF YOUR PROPOSED PARK IS BESIDE THE PARKING LOT; IS THAT CORRECT? AND WHERE WOULD THE RESTROOMS BE COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: IN THE

CLUBHOUSE RIGHT THERE. >> COMMISSIONER: NOW AS A GOLFER HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUNG CHILDREN RUNNING ACROSS THAT PARKING LOT AS A SAFETY CONCERN? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: PEOPLE

WALK ACROSS THAT PARKING LOT ALL THE TIME. >> COMMISSIONER: I DIDN'T SAY PEOPLE. I SAID LITTLE KIDS RUN ACROSS THE PARKING LOT AS A SAFETY CONCERN. PLEASE ANSWER THAT. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: THEY'RE NOT GOING BE UNACCOMPANIED.

THEY'LL HAVE A PARENT WITH THEM. >> COMMISSIONER: I SUGGEST YOU SPEND TIME WITH KIDS.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I HAVE KIDS. >> COMMISSIONER: AS A GOLFER ONE OF THE GOALS OF THE GOLF COURSE IS TO TRY DO INCREASE ROUNDS. TELL ME AS A GOLFER HOW YOU FEEL WHEN THE CLUBHOUSE IS FULL OF YOUNG CHILDREN IN AND OUT OF THE RESTROOMS, IN AND OUT OF THE LOCKER ROOMS, RUNNING AROUND WITH THE SNACK BAR IS, HOW WILL THAT IMPROVE GOLF ROUNDS? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I THINK YOU HAVE TO ASK THE GOLF COURSE MANAGER.

COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: I'M ASKING YOU. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I THINK YOU HAVE TO ASK THE GOLF CREWS MANAGER. YOU WANT TO PLAY THIS GAME? MAYOR MILLER: IF YOU HAVE A LIST OF QUESTIONS WHY DON'T YOU MAKE THEM AND YOU CAN ANSWER THEM ALL

AT ONCE INSTEAD OF THE BACK AND FORTH. >> COMMISSIONER: I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE LAST COMMENT. THE SLIDE THAT YOU PUT UP THAT SAID 90 MINUTES LATER COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN EMAILED DALE MARTIN, QUOTE, PARK AND REC VOTED 4-1 TO ASK THAT SIMMONS PARK BE PULLED FROM THE AGENDA. PLEASE DO NOT PULL THAT. WHAT WAS MY PURPOSE IN SENDING THAT EMAIL? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: TO GET IT BACK ON THE AGENDA. TO HAVE IT NOT PULLED FROM THE AGENDA.

CORRECT? COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: AND PERHAPS THE REASON WAS, IF YOU LOOK THERE ARE FIVE OF US WHO SIT UP HERE. THERE ARE FIVE OF US WHO MAKE CITY DECISIONS. AND YET THE FIRST TIME IT WAS PULLED FROM THE AGENDA BECAUSE OF ONE COMMISSIONER'S LEGAL QUESTIONS.

WHO CAME IN AT THE LAST MINUTE SO THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY DID NOT HAVE AND THE CITY STAFF DID NOT HAVE ADEQUATE TIME TO REVIEW THOSE THINGS. IN ADDITION, HIS LEGAL QUESTIONS COSTS THE CITY, I DON'T KNOW, SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS TO GET A PROFESSIONAL LEGAL OPINION. I NEVER GOT A COPY OF THOSE QUESTIONS FROM THAT COMMISSIONER THAT WAS RAISED FROM THE COMP PLAN AND THE REST. AND YET YOU CHASTISE CITY STAFF FOR NOT SENDING EMAILS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. MAYOR, MYSELF. SO, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCONSISTENCY HERE AS WELL ISN'T THERE? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: AS YOU KNOW, CITY COMMISSIONERS CANNOT EMAIL OTHER CITY COMMISSIONERS. THAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY MANAGER TO DISTRIBUTE ONE COMMISSIONER'S EMAIL TO THE OTHERS. COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: DO YOU THINK THAT COMMISSIONER ASKED? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I HAVEN'T THE SLIGHTEST IDEA.

COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: DID YOU ASK TO YOUR QUESTIONS FORWARDED TO THE REST OF THE

>> COMMISSIONER:? MAYOR MILLER: LET'S -- ARE YOU FINISHED? COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: YES. MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH HAS THE FLOOR.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I WAS ONLY RESPONDING TO. MAYOR MILLER: ARE YOU GOOD? OKAY. I HAVE SEVERAL REQUESTS TO SPEAK ON THIS DURING THE COMMISSIONER COMMENTS

>> YOU WILL ALLOW ME TO SPEAK AFTERWARDS. MAYOR MILLER: ABSOLUTELY. JUST REMIND ME. OKAY. I HAVE SEVERAL REQUESTS TO SPEAK. PARDON ME IF I SLAUGHTER YOUR NAME. I'M NOT 100%. AND REMEMBER THE RULES FOLKS. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT THIS ON EH BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE YOU WOULDN'T WANT SOMEBODY TO COMMENT WHILE YOU ARE TALKING OR MAKE ANY SOUNDS AND PLEASE DO THE SAME FOR MEMBERS WHEN THEY'RE

SPEAKING. SANDY NUESS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: 1883 LAKESIDE DRIVE NORTH, FERNANDINA BEACH.

MY PROPERTY IS RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE PARK, WHERE THE PARK IS GOING TO BE. AFTER THE MEETING OF THE PARK AND REC COMMITTEE IN OCTOBER I CAME AND PUT TOGETHER A PAMPHLET AND DROPPED IT OFF AT THE COMMISSIONERS AND THEY MADE P COPIES FOR ALL TO SEE. I DIDN'T BRING IT TONIGHT BUT THE NOVEMBER MEETING OF THE REC AND PARKS COMMITTEE. I DID GO THERE AND TALK ABOUT IT. A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT IS MY CONCERNS WITH THE

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PARK BEING THERE ALSO. BUT I WANTED TO BRING UP THE FACT THAT THE PAMPHLET THAT I GAVE YOU HAD PIC PICTURES -- I JUST WANT TO WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE DONE TALKING. I WANT YOU TO HEAR WHAT I AM SAYING. I DROPPED OFF PICTURES OF DEER AND A GOPHER THAT WERE IN MY BACKYARD. SINCE THEN I LOOKED INTO THE FACT THAT IF THERE ARE GOPHERS IN THAT PARK AREA THAT THERE CANNOT BE ANY CONSTRUCTION WHATSOEVER UNTIL THE GOPHER HOMES HAVE BEEN MOVED. AND THIS IS A FLORIDA STATE LAW. SO, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I THINK THE PARK HAS JUST GOTTEN TOO, TOO BIG. AND YOU ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT WHAT A PARK IS GOING TO DO IN A WOODED AREA BETWEEN TWO NEIGHBORHOODS. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT DUSK IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT PARK WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THOSE WALKWAYS. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE HANGING OUT THERE. SO I NEED YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW BIG IT IS, HOW YOU HAVE THE BATHROOMS AND ALL THAT AREA THAT'S THERE. IT'S MUCH TOO BIG. AND YOU HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR THE ANIMALS ALSO.

THANK YOU. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, MA'AM. I APOLOGIZE. WE NORMALLY DO THESE IN ORDER OF CITY AND NON-CITY RESIDENTS. THAT WAS MIXED UP. THAT WAS MY MISTAKE.

MS. NEUSS IS A COUNTY RESIDENT. OKAY. WELCOME, MA'AM. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: MARY LIBBY 616 SPANISH WAY EAST. TWO THINGS. FOR ONE, I'M REPRESENTING ALEXANDRA L., 646 SPANISH WAY EAST, WHO COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE HE IS AT THE HOA BOARD WHICH SHE HAS AN ANNUAL MEETING. SHE WRITES I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COMMISSION TO DELAY A VOTE ON SIMMONS PARK UNTIL ENVIRONMENTAL AND FISCAL IMPACT CAN BE STUDIED OR RECOMMENDED BY THE PARK AND RECREATION COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PARK AS DESIGNED BY 8 FLAGS. 8 PARKING SPOTS I UNDERSTAND. AND 1 HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE SPOT. BUT IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PARK FOR MORE ACCESSIBLE. AND, IF YOU HAVE, SAY, A GROUP OF FRIENDS AND THEY ALL HAVE -- THEY'VE GOT THEIR FIVE VANS WITH THEIR RAMPS AND THERE'S EIGHT PARKING SPOTS AND ONLY ONE IS HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO PARK THERE.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DONE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PARK THERE. BUT WE'VE GOT OTHER PARKS THEY COULD PARK AT IF THEY WERE MADE ACCESSIBLE OR ADAPTIVE. I DID WANT TO COMMENT ON COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN'S COMMENT ABOUT THE TREE CANOPY AND THAT IF YOU TAKE DOWN TREES AND THEN YOU JUST PLANT THEM THEN YOU'VE GOT A CANOPY. BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT PEOPLE HERE WHO COULD PROBABLY TAKE EXCEPTION TO HOW LONG IT TAKES A CANOPY TO FORM. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU. MR. ROBERT WELLS.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: ROBERT WELLS. 2884 ROBERT OLIVER AVENUE. GOOD EVENING. FIRST I WANT TO SAY COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH THAT WAS A VERY CLEAR AND COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS OF WHAT I THINK IS TAKING PLACE. THANK YOU. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF NITPICKING ABOUT YOUR PRESENTATION. BUT WHAT I HAVEN'T HEARD AND WHAT I THINK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION IS THE FAILURE OF THERE TO BE A GOOD PROCESS HE HERE. IT'S NOT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S NOT A FIVE TREES PLAN. IT IS A FAILURE OF A PROCESS. I WAS AT THE PARK AND RECREATION COMMITTEE MEETING LAST WEEK AND I WATCHED THOSE PEOPLE AND YOUR DESCRIPTION IS VERY ACCURATE. THESE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WERE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE POSITION THEY WERE IN AND THE LACK OF SUPPORT THAT THEY NEEDED TO MAKE THAT DECISION. AND IT'S DISAPPOINTING THAT THE COMMISSION HERE IS ALL AWARE THEY MADE A RESOLUTION TO THAT EFFECT AND YET ARE PUSHING FORWARD HERE FULL STEAM IN SPITE OF IT. VERY DISAPPOINTING TO ME

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AS A RESIDENT. SO, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU SLOW THIS DOWN, THAT YOU DELAY THIS VOTE, AND POSTPONE IT FROM TONIGHT. THANK YOU. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR.

JANIECE MINCHEW. RUNNING FOR CITY COMMISSION. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M HERE TO MAKE ONE FINAL PLEA TO THE CITY COMMISSION ABOUT THIS PROJECT. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO FIND SOME MIDDLE GROUND ON THIS PROJECT. THE PARKS MASTER PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS PROPERTY AS A NATURE CENTER NOT A PLAYGROUND AND NOT A PARK. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PLAYGROUND AND PARK IN THIS PROPERTY, THEN YOU CAN MAKE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON IT. THE SIZE OF THIS PROJECT DRIVES PARKING, PARKING DRIVES RUN-OFF, RUN-OFF DRIVES RETENTION REQUIREMENTS WHICH DRIVES TREE REMOVAL. YOU CAN MITT GALL THOSE BY REDUCING THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS PROJECT. ACCORDING TO SECTION 7 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR EVERY THOUSAND FEET OF ACTIVE USE REQUIRES A PARKING SPACE. THIS SECTION ALLOWS YOU TO REDUCE PARKING REQUIREMENTS BY 20% TO SAVE TREES. YOU SHOULD USE THAT POWER TO DO THAT VERY THING. SAVE SOME TREES. REDUCING THIS PROJECT TO LESS THAN SAY 5,000 FEET REDUCES THE PARKING TO ABOUT FIVE OR LESS. AND THEN IF YOU ADD THE 20 PERCENT TO IT YOU COULD GET DOWN TO MAYBE JUST THREAD OR FOUR PARKING SPACES WHICH WOULD CONSIDERABLY IMPACT YOUR RETENTION RUN-OFF. YOU CAN ALSO IN THE LAND LDC YOU CAN CONSIDER THE RIGHT-OF-WAY PARKING IN LIEU OF ON-SITE PARKING. THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. AND YOU CAN DO THIS TODAY. OUR GOAL SHOULD BE TO ELIMINATE THE RETENTION POND REQUIREMENTS AND SAVE TREES. YOU CAN ELIMINATE THE COVERED PAVILION. WHY DO YOU NEED A COVERED PAVILION IF YOU ARE UNDER A FULL TREE CANOPY? SO, PUT IN MORE BENCHES AND YOU DON'T NEED A 20 BY 20 PAVILION. YOU CAN REDUCE THE BATHROOMS TO ONE ACCESSIBLE BATHROOM. YOU CAN REDUCE THE SIDES OF THE PLAYGROUND. YOU CAN DO ALL OF THIS TONIGHT. THIS IS NOT YET AN APPROVED PLAN. SO, LET'S HIT THE PAUSE BUTTON. THERE'S NO DEADLINE FOR THIS PROJECT. LET'S HOLD A COUPLE OF WORKSHOPS. LET'S GET MORE PUBLIC INPUT. LET'S GET A NATURALIST INVOLVED THAT CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO HELP MAYBE SHE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO HELP US TOO. AND THEN AFTER THIS HAS BEEN MORE THOROUGHLY VET BID THE ADVISORY BOARD AND THE PUBLIC WE CAN GET TO A SOLUTION THAT BETTERS ALIGNS FOR THE GOALS FOR THE CITY. LET'S FIND A WAY TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD WITH COOPERATION AND PURPOSE AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TONIGHT. MAYOR MILLER: MR. MATTHEW.

THANK YOU SIR. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU. 3977 FIRST AVENUE. I AM HERE REPRESENTING PROJECT CHANCE. PROJECT CHANCE IS A NONPROFIT THAT RAISES AND TRAINS DOGS FOR CHILDREN WITH AUTISM. AND WE APPROACHED 8 FLAGS WHEN WE HEARD ABOUT THE SIMMONS ROAD OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE PROJECT CHANCE WAS FOUNDED JUST OFF THE ISLAND HERE AND YOU HAVE ALL PROBABLY SEEN OUR DOGS. THEY'RE THE LITTLE WHITE GOLDEN RETRIEVERS WITH THE RED VESTS.

WE DID MOST OF OUR TRAINING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS HERE IN THE RESTAURANTS HERE, AND IN THE TOWN. AND SO WE OUR FOUNDER HAS DRAMATICALLY SCALED BACK HER OPERATION. SHE GOT TIRED OF RUNNING 15 DOGS A YEAR SO SHE'S ONLY DOING FOUR NOW. BUT WE HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AT RAISING MONEY AROUND THE UNITED STATES AND WE HAD A POOL OF MONEY AND WENT TO OUR DONORS AND SAID WE'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN A PARK. WE'D LIKE TO RAISE THIS MONEY AND HELP CREATE A PARK THAT'S ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE. TO ALL CHILDREN NOT JUST REGULAR KIDS BUT CHILDREN WHO HAVE AUTISM WHO ARE AFFLICTED IN SOME OTHER WAY. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I GOT IN TO THIS MESS OF THESE CHILDREN. I WAS WITH A CHILD AT LOWE'S AND THE SOUND OF THE LIGHTS IN LOWE'S MADE HER CRY. SO THE MOM WHEN SHE HAD TO GO TO LOWE'S OR TARGET AS SOON AS THEY WENT THROUGH THE DOOR THE CLOCK IS ON FOR THIS CHILD. SO, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, IF YOU CAN'T GO TO LOWE'S, IT'S VERY

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HARD TO FIND A PLACE FOR THIS CHILD TO PLAY. SO, I'VE BEEN TO THE SIMMONS ROAD PROPERTY. I'VE WALKED IT. I AM A GEOLOGIST WITH TOO MUCH EDUCATION SO I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION, IT'S THE RIGHT PLACE. AND IT'S A PLACE FOR US TO DO THE RIGHT THING. AND MY OPINION IS BRINGING FIVE FIGURES TO THIS. WE HAD TO STOP FUNDRAISING BECAUSE OF THE UNCERTAINTY OF THE PROJECT. SO, IF IT GETS APPROVED TONIGHT I'LL BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO MY BOARD AND SAY WE CAN START FUNDRAISING AGAIN. IF WE CAN'T, THEN I HAVE TO GO BACK TO MY DONORS AND GIVE THEM BACK THEIR MONEY. SO IT'S MY HOPE THAT WE GET THE PARK APPROVED TONIGHT. BUT IF WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE NOT PLACE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR. MR. CHUCK OLIVIA. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I AM A FINDING MEMBER OF CONSERVE AMELIA NOW. I AM JUST GOING TO READ THIS SO I STAY ON TRACK HERE. IT SEEMS CARLEAR TO ME TRUST IN THE CITY'S STEWARDSHIP OF OUR REMAINING WILD SPACES. MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN AFTER THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS RESENDED IT'S PROFESSIONAL ONLY SERVES TO RAISE DOUBT IN A CLIMATE THAT SUFFERS FROM A LACK OF TRUST. THE OFFICIAL RESOLUTION REGARDING SIMMONS ROAD PARK STATES WHEREAS THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE MET ON OCTOBER 8, 2019, AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PARK DESIGN, BUT THIS RESOLUTION MAKES NO REFERENCE TO THE FACT THEY MET MORE RECENTLY ON NOVEMBER 12TH AND RESCINDED THAT APPROVAL CITING THE FACT THEY FELT THEY WERE NOT PROVIDED WITH THE INFORMATION NECESSARY TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. YOU WONDER WHY THERE'S A LACK OF TRUST IN GOVERNMENT. IN THE 2019 FERNANDINA BEACH CITIZEN SURVEY ONLY 30% OF THE RESPONDENTS WERE ABLE TO RATE THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AS HONEST. THE APPROVAL PROCESS HAS GONE SO FAR OFF THE RAILS THAT LACK OF TRUST HAS BECOME A CORROSIVE ELEMENT THAT DEGRADES NOT ONLY THE POLITICAL PROCESS BUT THE FRIENDLY WAY OF LIFE THAT WE CHERISH. A LARGE PIECE OF THAT LOSS OF FAITH THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING LIES IN THE WAY THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE COME TO VIEW ANY SEMBLANCE OF OPPOSITION. OPPOSITION HAS BECOME INTOLERABLE ON THIS ISLAND. YOU TRY TO PAINT AN ORGANIZATION SUCH AS CONSERVE AMELIA NOW AS A FRINGE GROUP AS DESPITE THE FACT THAT ALMOST TEN PERCENT OF THE POPULATION OF THE CITY HAS JOINED OUR RANKS. PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CONSERVATION AND THE PACE OF DEVELOPMENT ARE THE MAINSTREAM. AND THE 2019 CITIZENS SURVEY SUPPORTS THIS OPINION. ONLY 22 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE POLLED IN THE 2019 SURVEY RATED THE TOPIC LAND USE PLANNING OR ZONING AS EXCELLENT OR GOOD. AND ONLY 32 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE RATED THE ATTRIBUTE PRESERVATION OR EXCELLENT OR FOOD. -- GOOD. THAT BETWEENS 70 TO 80 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE SEE A LOT OF ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. DESPITE THE ROBUST NUMBERS THAT PROVE OTHERWISE SOME OF YOU HAVE DECIDED TO PAINT THIS USUALLY RESPECTFUL, INFORMED OPPOSITION AS A LUNATIC FRINGE AND SOME OF YOU ARE OPENLY HOSTILE TO IT. YOUR REACTION WHEN THE DECISIONS OR TACTICS ARE QUESTIONED IS OFTEN ANNOYANCE AND IMPATIENCE. QUESTIONING YOUR DECISIONS DOES NOT MAKE US AN ANGRY MOB. DISSENT AND PUBLIC SCRUTINY ARE RESPONSIBILITY OF A CONCERNED CITIZENRY AND THE BACKBONE OF AO HEALED TOWARDS A SPACE OF MUTUAL RESPECT AND I WOULD ADD IT WOULDN'T HURT IF SOME OF YOU DEVELOPED THICKER SKINS. HOLDING GRUNGES AND NURSING RESENTMENTS IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO SHOW LEADERSHIP. CON SIR SERVE AMELIA NOW HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT RESPECTFUL. WE ARE NOT THE LUNATIC FRINGE. WE ARE THE MAINSTREAM. YOU WOULD KNOW THAT IF YOU GOT OVER WHATEVER PERSONAL SLEIGHTS YOU MAY BE FEELING AND STARTED LISTENING TO YOUR NEIGHBORS AGAIN. THEY ARE CONCERNED AND THEY ARE AFRAID. THANK YOU.

MAYOR MILLER: YOU MENTIONS YOUR NUMBERS. HOW DO YOU COME ABOUT YOUR MEMBERSHIP NUMBERS

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: WE'RE PUSHING 1,600 MEMBERS. A POLL SHOWS 62% OF THEM RESIDE IN THE CITY.

MAYOR MILLER: HOW DOES A MEMBER BECOME A NUMBER. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: IT IS A FACEBOOK. MAYOR MILLER: PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: AND I -- MAYOR MILLER: YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION. THANK YOU. STANDBY FOR CAPTIONING]. YOU MENTIONED OPEN HOSTILITY TILTS. YES. I FEEL LIKE SINCE

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AMELIA BLUFF THERE HAS BEEN AMONG SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND THERE HAS BEEN A VERY, VERY STRONG FEELING OF NOT LETTING IT GO. MAYOR MILLER: THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID. YOU SAID YOU FELT THERE'S OPEN HOSTILITY FROM MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION. CAN

YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I DIDN'T WANT TO COME UP HERE AND NAME NAMES AND POINT FINGERS. THAT IS PART OF THE POINT. MAYOR MILLER: YOU MADE THE ACCUSATION YOU FELT THERE'S OPEN HOSTILITY TOWARDS YOUR ORGANIZATION.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE ME SAY IT, MR. CHAPMAN CAN ONLY SCOWL AT ME. I'VE NEVER SEEN THE FIRST 20 TIME IS SAW YOU AFTER THE AMELIA BLUFF SITUATION YOU LITERALLY TURNED AND PRETENDED YOU DIDN'T SEE ME. THAT'S NOT OPEN HOSTILITY.

>> COMMISSIONER: ARE YOU TALKING TO ME? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YES. I CAME UP AND TALKED TO AT THE WRIGHTVILLE FESTIVAL AND YOU WERE FRIENDLY ENOUGH BUT YOU COULDN'T AVOID ME BECAUSE I WALKED RIGHT UP AND SHOOK YOUR HAND.

>> COMMISSIONER: I NEVER AVOID ANYBODY. MAYOR MILLER: WHEN YOU GET TO THE COMMISSION AND MAKE A STATEMENT YOU FEEL LIKE THERE IS OPEN HOSTILITY FROM MEMBERS OF

THE ELECTED OFFICIALS I BELIEVE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I FEEL THAT THAT HOSTILITY TAKES THE FORM OF MARGINALIZING THE OPPOSITION, REFERRING TO THE OPPOSITION AS A BUNCH OF LOUD MOUTHS, AS -- TAKES THE FORM OF TELLING, PUTTING THE ENTIRE OPPOSITION INTO ONE BUCKET AND SAYING THOSE PEOPLE ARE DEAD TO ME. THOSE ARE PHRASES USED. IF THAT ISN'T

HOSS TILTS. MAYOR MILLER: BY WHO SIR? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: BY YOURSELF

MR. MAYOR. YOU HAVE A POINT OF ORDER I'LL HEAR IT. >>, YOU KNOW, A PARK IS SUPPOSES TO BE A JOYOUS THING AND THIS IS DEGENERATING INTO SOMETHING THAT'S TOTALLY -- HOW DID WE GET HERE? MAYOR MILLER: A POINT OF ORDER IS A POINT OF ORDER

>> I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE ON. MAYOR MILLER: I HEAR YOU. I TAKE THE POINT OF ORDER. I HAVE THE FLOOR SIR. THE REASON THIS HAS COME UP BECAUSE IT WAS MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES.

DECISIONS MADE BY THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD WERE DONE ON THEIR PERCEPTION OF

HOSTILITY OR A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE >> COMMISSIONER: AND PEOPLE AND LACK OF TRUST AND CONFIDENCE. THAT WAS MENTIONED BY A MEMBER OF THAT BOARDS AND WHY THEY

RECOMMEND IT NOT BE PUT BACK ON THE AGENDA. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I AM NOT --

MAYOR MILLER: YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FLOOR >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LEVEL OF DISCOURSE HERE ON THE ISLAND. MAYOR MILLER: I FIND YOUR

TALKING OVER ME IS OPENLY HOSTILE. CAN I FINISH MY POINT? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: CERTAINLY.

MAYOR MILLER: ARE YOU DONE ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS. WHEN YOU SAY THAT I WAS OPENLY

HOSTILE TO YOU WILL YOU REPHRASE THAT OR DO YOU -- >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: OPENLY HOSTILE TO THE CONSERVATION COMMUNITY. AND BY THE WAY, I WANT TO SAY TO YOU RIGHT HERE THAT I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS A CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATION. MAYOR MILLER: YOU CAME UP TO A PODIUM AND ACCUSE ELECTED OFFICIALS OF BEING OPENLY HOSTILE TO YOUR ORGANIZATION. I ASK YOU TO GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD SOMEBODY SCOWL AT YOU OR IGNORE YOU. DO YOU CONSIDER THAT TO BE OPENLY HOSTILE? BECAUSE I'VE GONE OUT OF MY WAY TO BE NOTHING BUT POLITE. IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ME PERSONALLY I TAKE OFFENSE.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: NOTED. MAYOR MILLER: BUT YOU WANT TO STICK -- THAT'S FINE.

>> CAN I JUST? FOR THE RECORD, WHEN YOU SAID I SCOWLED AT YOU, I HATE TO SHATTER YOUR EGO, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHO YOU WERE UNTIL ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. SO, IF I SCOWLED AT YOU, THAT WAS YOUR INTERPRETATION OF MY EXPRESSIONS. I DIDN'T KNOW WHO YOU WERE.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THAT'S FINE. ARE WE DONE? MAYOR MILLER: MS. ROSLYN HUGH.

CONSISTENT WITH OUR VISION FOR OUR OWN ISLAND AND THE MOST APPROPRIATE COST. THE SECOND ISSUE DOES HAVE TO DO WITH RESTORING TRANSPARENCY TO WHAT I OBSERVE TO BE A BROKEN PROCESS WITH THE PARKS AND ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I REALLY, REALLY LOVED COMING HERE AND SEEING

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WHAT I FEEL IS A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. PEOPLE ALLOWED TO SPEAK. AND I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE BROKEN IN THE MOST RECENT PROCESS. MOST NOTABLE IS THAT THE PARKS AND ADVISORY BOARD THEMSELVES -- I WENT TO THE LAST TWO MEETINGS. I'M NEW TO THE PROCESS. THEY WERE SO CLEAR THAT THEY NO LONGER WANTED TO SUPPORT THIS. THEY NEEDED MORE TIME. THAT THE PROCESS DIDN'T WORK. I CAN UNDERSTAND PEOPLE WANTING TO GET THINGS DONE BY GOVERNMENT. I CAN SEE PEOPLE WANTING TO PLOW THROUGH AND GET THIS TAJ MAHAL OF A PARK DONE. BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED A TAJ MAHAL. IT SEEMS THE INITIAL VISION WAS A NATURE TRAIL TO COMPLIMENT OUR ISLAND AND IT'S SOMEHOW BALLOONED A LITTLE BIT OUT OF CONTROL. DECISIONS SEEM TO HAVE BEEN MADE UNILATERALLY.

UNBEKNOWNST TO THEM MONEY WAS SPENT PREMATURELY. NONE OF THOSE THINGS INSPIRE CONFIDENCE.

I WAS VERY -- I COULDN'T GET MY HANDS AROUND HOW IN THE WORLD COULD WE SPEND MONEY AND BUY EQUIPMENT THAT MIGHT NOT EVEN MATCH THE ALTERNATE GOAL. THAT'S JUST A LITTLE PIECE OF IT. THIS IS ABOUT DEMOCRACY. THERE'S ANOTHER ILLUSION THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS MENTIONED ABOUT HOW THINGS CHANGE IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN CHANGING QUICKLY SINCE I STARTED COMING TO THESE MEETINGS IS, YOU KNOW, FROM THIS LET'S HAVE SOMETHING CONCRETE TO SHOW OUR LEGACY THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOMETHING TO, YOU KNOW, LET'S PRESERVE WHAT WE'VE GOT. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU MA'AM. WELL SAID. MR. ERIC BARTELL.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I AM A MEMBER OF THE PARKS REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I AM NOT SURE IF ANY OF THIS MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE ANYMORE BUT THE QUESTION ABOUT THE COMP PLAN WHICH MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE ARE PROBABLY NOT AWARE THAT WITH THE LEGAL OPINION THAT WAS OFFERED BY THE FIRM THAT THIS WAS REFERRED TO, THEY ISSUED A REPORT AND THAT REPORT DOESN'T REFER AT ALL TO THE COMP PLAN POLICIES THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THIS. SO I ASKED SOME QUESTIONS OF THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT THAT. SHE FORWARDED THOSE ON TO THE THEN THEY ISSUED A SUPPLEMENTAL RESPONSE TO THAT. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS WHY WASN'T THE INFORMATION THAT THEY SENT IN THEIR SUPPLEMENTAL LETTER, WHY WASN'T THAT IN THE ORIGINAL REPORT. THEY DIDN'T EVEN REFER THAT. OR THE DEFINITIONS PROVIDED FOR PASSIVE RECREATION AND ACTIVE RECREATION AND ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LANDS. THE COMP PLAN SAYS FOR ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LANDS THESE ARE NATURALLY OCCURRING AND RELATIVELY UNAUTHORED AND THEY MAY INCLUDE WETLANDS, WETLAND TRANSITION AREAS AND WILDLIFE HABITAT. IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL LETTER THAT THE FIRM SENT THEY REFER TO THE WETLANDS AND WETLAND TRANSITION AREAS AS BEING ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE. THEY AGREE WITH THAT. BUT THEY'RE SAYING THAT'S NOT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. AND,

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THEREFORE, YOU COULD DEVELOP THE PARK IN THE PART THAT IS NOT IN THE WETLANDS. BUT THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE ANYTHING ABOUT WILDLIFE HAB HABITAT. THE WHOLE QUESTION OF THE COMP PLAN HINGES ON WILDLIFE HABITAT. THAT'S QUITE CLEARLY SPELLED OUT IN THE COMP PLAN.

THAT ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LANDS INCLUDES WILDLIFE HABITAT. I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THE STUFF HERE BUT THERE'S QUITE A BIT. THEIR CONCLUSION IS A MORE EXPANSIVE READING --

MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR. MS. LORI HICKEY? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING.

I LIVE AT 751 BARRINGTON DRIVE. AND I HAVE COME BEFORE YOU TO REITERATE AND JUST TO DITTO A LOT OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPERTY ITSELF AND CERTAIN TERMS OF CONSERVING THE LAND AND THE TREES. BUT MY REALLY BIG ISSUE WITH ALL OF THIS HAS JUST BEEN THE WHOLE PROCESS. SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL HAD TO SHARE BECAUSE I'VE HAD A SIMILAR EXPERIENCE AND THAT IS WHY I WAS COMING BEFORE YOU. SO, IN TERMS OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT I HEARD, IN TERMS OF IT BEING A WALKWAY, AND THIS WAS BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, MY NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CERTAINLY IN SUPPORT OF THAT. WE ARE CITY RESIDENTS. WE ALSO ASKED AT THAT TIME TO BE INVOLVED WITH THE PROCESS ALL ALONG. WE'VE NOT BEEN CONTACTED AT ALL ABOUT THIS. SO, IT'S BEEN UP TO ME REALLY TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON. WHICH I'VE TRIED TO. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE ON THE AGENDA JUST PRESENTATION IT IS HARD TO KNOW WHETHER, YOU KNOW, TO COME OR NOT. BUT MY ISSUE IS WITH THE PROCESS, WITH THE BUDGET, AND JUST THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION WITH 72 RESIDENTS.

IT APPEARS THAT THIS WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE IDEAS. I'VE WRITTEN LOTS OF GRANTS BEFORE.

YOU WRITE A GRANT AND THEN IT GOES ON THIS TRAIN TRACK AND OFF IT GOES. WHEN I DID COME TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION MEETING AND I ASKED VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, NO ONE AT THAT TIME COULD ANSWER HOW IT GOT FROM POINT A TO POINT WHATEVER POINT WE'RE ON AT THIS POINT. EXCEPT FOR THE DEVELOPER. AND THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME. THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF WHO ARE AT THE MEETING COULD NOT OR WOULD NOT, WHICHEVER VERB YOU WANT TO USE, COULD NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT WE AS CITIZENS WERE ASKING. IT WAS THE DEVELOPER THAT WAS ASKING. AND TO ME WHEN YOU ARE IN CHARGE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, WHEN YOU ARE THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE COMPLETED PROJECT, THAT YOU ARE MANAGING THE BUDGET, THAT YOU NEED TO COME TO THE MEETING. YOU HAVE THE BUDGET IN HAND AND YOU ARE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. WE ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE, THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE. THAT PARTICULAR MEETING THAT INFORMATION WAS NOT THERE. I CAME BACK THE FOLLOWING MEETING AND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WERE THERE. BUT THAT PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY ADVISORY COMMITTEE RAISED THE SAME ISSUES. I'M CONCERNED WHEN WE MAKE SUGGESTIONS IN TERMS OF OTHER LOCATIONS THAT THE DEVELOPER WHICH IS SOMEBODY THAT WE WANT TO WORK WITH IS SAYING NO FLTHS TH. THAT IS NOT HOW W WANT TO DO BUSINESS. WE WANT TO SET THE STANDARDS. WE HAVE TO MANAGE IT SO WE'RE IN CHARGE OF IT. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU. VICKI

TURRET. WELCOME. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: VICKI TURNER 211 SOUTH WOLF STREET FERNANDINA BEACH. WE'RE ON INFORMATION OVERLOAD HERE BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION, COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH. THAT BROUGHT OUT A LOT OF POINTS THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT AND COMMISSIONER ROSS FOR YOUR VIEW.IN THE NEWS LEADER. BUT MY FIRST QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE RECREATION IMPACT FEES. AND I THINK IT GOT ANSWERED BUT I WANT SOMEBODY TO CONFIRM. CAN THOSE IMPACT -- I KNOW IMPACT FEES SOMETIMES HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON THEM. CAN YOU USE THEM TO UPGRADE OR MAINTAIN OR DO IMPROVEMENTS TO EXISTING PARKS RECREATIONS FACILITIES?

MAYOR MILLER: NO. THAT'S FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ONLY. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: OKAY. THEY

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DO A FABULOUS JOB WITH THAT AND I'M ALL ABOUT CHILDREN. BUT THE SIMMONS ROAD PROPERTY IS CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT TOO. SO THE NOISE FACTOR THERE IS NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENT FROM BEING -- I MEAN, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM BEING RIGHT ON THE AIRPORT PROPERTY. BUT I JUST THINK THIS IS REALLY GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL AND THE PARK AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS SO MANY QUESTIONS. AND I'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE. LISTENING TO THE MEETINGS AND ATTENDING THE COMMISSION MEETINGS THAT YOUR ADVISORY BOARD PEOPLE SEEM TO LACK A LITTLE BIT OF DIRECTION.

AND THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEIR INPUT IS LISTENED TO. SO, PLEASE VOTE NO.

MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU. MATT MORRIS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MACK MORRIS 81 PARKVIEW. DR. PAT FOSTER TURLEY OUR RECOGNZED LOCAL EXPERT THOUGHT THIS WAS SO IMPORTANT THAT THE DAY BEFORE SHE LEFT TOWN SHE MET WITH ME AND WE SPOKE FOR, EXCUSE ME. JUST DIDN'T SEEM LIKE YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION. SHE SPOKE WITH ME FOR ABOUT AN HOUR TO TWO HOURS. THE MORNING BEFORE SHE LEFT TOWN. AS WAS STATED SHE IS IN FAVOR OF THE NATURAL TRAIL AND ALL THAT. AND FULFILLS THE COMP PLAN FOR RECREATIONAL AREA.

BUT -- EXCUSE ME. MY BAD EYESIGHT. $400,000 AFTER THAT LIST OF THINGS FOR THE IMPACT FEE FUND ARE SPENT ON THAT WHOLE LIST, THAT $400,000 WORKS OUT TO -- IF I AM A LITTLE OFF ON THIS DON'T COME DOWN MY THROAT ON IT. ONE-FIFTH OF THE FUND. ONE-FIFTH OF THE IMPACT FEE FUND. SO, TWO PERCENT OF THE HOUSES. 118 HOUSES OUT OF A ROUGHLY 6,200 HOUSES IN THE CITY. IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A COUNTY PARK JUST CALL IT A COUNTY PARK AND BUILD IT. BUT YOU CAN BUILD IT AT THE SOCCER PLAYING FIELDS WHICH IS ALSO IN THE PLAN AND THE CITY RECREATION PARK COMP PLAN. THAT'S AN AREA THAT WAS MARKED OUT. I THINK THE ASSOCIATES MIRRORED THE CITY COMP PLAN AS FAR AS PARK LOCATIONS ALMOST EXACTLY. MY GRANDFATHER WAS THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR THE U.S. FOREST SERVICE IN CHARGE OF TUMOR MANAGEMENT FOR THE WHOLE UNITED STATES. I GREW UP BEING A TREE HUGGER. I LOVE TREES. I UNDERSTAND TREE AS LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF MY GRANDFATHER. YOU GO AND TEAR DOWN TREES IN AN AREA YOU ARE LOSING STRUCTURE SUPPORT. OUR TREES SUPPORT EACH OTHER. BY LEANING IN AND INNER-LOCKING THEIR BRANCHES AND THEY SWAY TOGETHER. AND THEY MASSIVELY SWAY. IF YOU WATCHED IN THE HURRICANES HOW MUCH THE TREES LOSE BUT THEY PROTECT EACH OTHER. YOU START TAKING OUT TREES YOU ARE OPENING UP FOR HURRICANE WINDS TO COME THROUGH WHICH DAMAGE HOUSES. ONCE THE SHINGLES COME OFF YOU LOSE THE ROOF AND THE HOUSE. DRY RETENTION PONDS, THEY SOUND GOOD IN PRINCIPAL, BUT WHEN YOU BUILD UP THE DIRT FORM ON TOP OF ROOTS, THAT SUFFOCATES THE ROOTS. DAYS OF HURRICANE AND

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STORM WATER STANDING THERE DROWNS THE ROOTS. DURING CONSTRUCTION WITH BOBCATS YOU BARK THE TREE A LITTLE BIT AND KNOCK OFF SOME OF THE BARK AND EXPOSE THE LAYER. BUGS GET IN THERE AND THE TREES DIE. IT WILL TAKE THREE OR FOUR YEARS BUT YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE MORE AND MORE TREES BECAUSE OF INSPECT DAMAGE AND FROM THE ROOTS BEING KILLED OFF. YOU GO TO ANY OF THE DEVELOPMENTS WHERE TREES WERE, MOST OF THEM ARE HAVE BEEN SUFFOCATED. DIRT FILLED ON TOP OF THE ROOTS OR THE ROOTS ARE UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE. THAT'S JUST FACTS. YOU ARE NOT VOTING ON A PARK -- MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU SIR.

THAT'S YOUR THREE MINUTES. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I WAS WATCHING THE CLOCK TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AND -- MAYOR MILLER: THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO. GET THE BATTERIES CHANGED. THE NEXT SPEAK THERES COME UP WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THE TIME. THE

BATTERIES DIED AND WE HAVE REMOTE CONTROL. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE MY TIME WAS AND I WOULD HAVE SPED UP. JUST ONE QUICK THING.

MAYOR MILLER: GO RIGHT AHEAD. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JUST AS A FRIEND TO EVERYONE UP HERE. MY 40 YEARS AS PUBLIC RELATIONS AND MARKETING, I'M SEEING RED FLAGS. YOU ARE NOT VOTING ABOUT A PLAYGROUND. YOU ARE VOTING ABOUT CREDIBILITY OF OUR PROCESS AND OF OUR CITY OFFICIALS.

MAYOR MILLER: SOH. MS. SHERRY WILSHIRE BER TOW. IF YOU WOULD LIKE, ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE A CLOCK

UP HERE, THAT CLOCK IS NOT GOING TO WORK. >> I HAVE ONE RIGHT HERE ON MY

SCREEN. MAYOR MILLER: SHE NEEDS ONE. >> SORRY IT'S NOT FUNCTIONING.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT FIXED. MAYOR MILLER: IF YOU HAVE A TIMER ON YOUR PHONE YOU WANT TO USE TO SEE HOW LONG THREE MINUTES IS YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO THAT.

>> WE HAVE BATTERIES. GIVE ME ONE SECOND HERE. >> THANK YOU.

MCARTHUR STREET. THAT'S HERE ON THE ISLAND FERNANDINA BEACH FLORIDA IN AMELIA PARK. MY CONCERN WITH THIS IS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID. IT'S THE PROCESS. IT'S DESTROYING OUR CONFIDENCE IN OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. AND I AM SORRY MR. MILLER BUT YOUR LITTLE CONFRONTATION WITH CHUCK WAS IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT WAS HOSTILE YOU MUST BE FROM NEW YORK CITY YOUR BODY LANGUAGE, EVERYTHING ELSE IS VERY HOSTILE AND INTIMIDATING. AND I'LL JUST CITE AN EXAMPLE. MY SISTER IS VICKI TURNER. SHOW CAME TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT TAXES. WHEN SHE WAS UP HERE TALKING MR. MARTIN THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO ANNOUNCE TO EVERYONE WHAT HER PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES WERE. NOW, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL, BUT YOU THINK THAT'S KIND OF INTIMIDATION TACTIC. THAT WAS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY. AND YOU ALL'S CONDUCT MANY TIMES HAS BEEN VERY UNBECOMING OF PUBLIC OFFICIALS. I'M SORRY. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PERSONAL AGAINST ANY OF YOU, BUT THE WAY THIS PROCESS HAS PLAYED OUT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE DEAF, DUMB AND BLIND, THE PEOPLE ON THE PARK -- YOU ALL FUSS AT US BECAUSE WE DON'T PARTICIPATE AND THEN WHEN YOU HAVE ADVISORY COUNCILS YOU DON'T LISTEN TO THEM. WHAT THE HECK? I MEAN, COME ON. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. I PAY CITY AND COUNTY TAXES AND I WON'T EVEN GET INTO THE WHOLE STUPID BOUNDARY THING OF THE CITY. LUCKY ME I LIVE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF SE TRONA DRIVE SO I GET TO PAY CITY AND COUNTY TAXES. THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME ONLY PAY COUNTY TAXES. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY FAIR FOR US TO HAVE A STRONG VOICE ABOUT HOW YOU ALL ARE SPENDING OUR CITY TAXES. WHAT STARTED OUT TO BE WITH A GRANT AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FUNDRAISING AND ALL OF THAT, THAT'S GREAT. BUT WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS, IS THAT FUNDRAISING GOING TO SUPPORT ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE? NO I DON'T THINK SO. SO I GOT A REAL PROBLEM WITH THIS. ALL OF THE PEOPLE OR MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE HAVE A PROBLEM. I DON'T HAVE A THING AGAINST KIDS. I GOT FOUR. BELIEVE ME I WANT TO RUN THEM IN THE PARK AND GET ALL OF THEIR ENERGY OUT. BUT AND I SYMPATHIZE WITH AUTISTIC KIDS BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER SOLUTION. DO A NATURE TRAIL THERE. DO THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AT THE SOCCER FIELD WHERE IT'S CLEARED OUT AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMOVE THE TREES.

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THAT SEEMS LIKE A FAIR COMPROMISE. IF WE CAN'T USE THE MONEY TO MAINTAIN THE PLAYGROUNDS, THEN USE THE MONEY FIRST FOR THE WATERFRONT PARK THAT YOU ALL BV HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR CENTURIES ABOUT GETTING DONE. SO, JUST PLEASE, PLEASE LISTEN TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS, YOU ALL. THIS IS BAD. AND THIS IS GETTING WORSE. AND YOU ALL AREN'T DOING ANYTHING TO INSTILL CONFIDENCE OF YOUR CITIZENS THAT VOTED FOR YOU AND PAY YOUR SALARIES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU. MS. MARY ANN SHAFER. MA'AM, YOU MENTIONED AMELIA BLUFF, I'M SORRY YOU MENTIONED YOU LIVE IN ISLE -- AMELIA PARK. SHE IS NOT LISTENING TO ME ANYMORE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AMELIA PARK IS, NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM YOUR TIME HERE, AMELIA PARK IS A FANTASTIC EXAMPLE OF HOW TREES AND BUILDINGS CAN CO-EXIST. I GAVE ONE OF THE VERY FIRST PLACES I SPOKE WAS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S AMAZING. LOOKS LIKE THEY

JUST SET THE BUILDINGS IN AMONGST THE TREES. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER AND IT'S ONLY BEEN 20 YEARS. I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST FIVE RESIDENTS.

MAYOR MILLER: THAT'S A FANTASTIC NEIGHBORHOOD. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU. I AM HERE TO ASK YOU TO PUT THIS VOTE ASIDE AND COLLECT INFORMATION IN THE RIGHT WAY.

MAYOR MILLER: I'M SORRY. CITY CL CLERK. I NEED YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: MARY ANN SHARE 808 STANLEY DRIVE FERNANDINA BEACH. I ONCE WORKED WITH 8 FLAGS SO I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THEM. I AM WORKING ON SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT REREFERENCES ARE TO THAT. AND REALIZE SITTING THERE I VOTED FOR ALL FIVE OF YOU AND I HAD ALL FIVE OF YOUR POSTERS IN MY FRONT YARD TRYING TO INFLUENCE MY NEIGHBORS. AND YET I STILL COME HERE EVERY SINGLE TIME AND GET REALLY ANGRY AND REALLY DISAPPOINTED. BECAUSE I WENT TO A LOT OF THE MEETINGS THAT WERE IN MR. LEDNOVICH'S SLIDE SHOW.

IN FACT GUY AND I WERE IN THE PICTURES SO WE HAVE PROOF WE WERE THERE. I HEARD PEOPLE SAY THESE THINGS THEN. THEN I THOUGHT HOW COULD THEY VOTE THE WAY THEY DID AFTER LISTENING TO WHAT THEY HEARD? THEY MUST NOT BE LISTENING. I WAS FORMALLY AN ASSOCIATE DEAN OF MANY PRETTY FAMOUS BUSINESS SCHOOLS, AND TAUGHT ORGANIZATIONAL THEORY. AND I REALLY -- I JUST STRUGGLE WHEN I WATCH HOW DECISIONS ARE MADE HERE. I REALLY DO. BECAUSE I AM ON A LOT OF BOARDS AND THINGS AND DO THINGS HERE PEOPLE ASK ME, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT PARK THING. AND I ALWAYS SAY, I DON'T HOW IT GOT TO WHERE IT DID. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SLIDE SHOW BECAUSE THAT KIND OF ILLUSTRATED IT. THANK YOU FOR THAT VERY MUCH. AND I AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT THAT THIS IS A SMALL ISLAND AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MORE PARKS WE NEED. I THINK WE NEED TO APPIMPROVE THE ONES WE HAVE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN SCRIPTED SUGGESTION. SO, IF YOU CAN PAY FOR NEW EQUIPMENT IN THEM, TAKE THIS EQUIPMENT THAT'S APPARENTLY ALREADY BOUGHT AND UPGRADE THOSE PARKS. I HAVE TO SAY THAT THIS FEELS LIKE OUR BREXIT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THEM TO START OVER AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO START OVER ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. I HAVE TO SAY THAT LISTENING TO MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS EXPRESS HOW THEY FEEL UNLOVED AND UNHEARD, I AGREE WITH THEM. I'VE COME HERE VERY OFTEN AND HAD SOMEBODY UP THERE SAY WELL THERE ARE ONLY A FEW OF YOU HERE WHAT ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE? WELL WE'RE THE ONE WHO CARE ENOUGH TO COME AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. AND WE DO REPRESENT THE VIEWS OF NEIGHBORS AND OTHER PEOPLE. SO, DON'T CAST US ASIDE. ANY WAY. I HOPE YOU WILL PUT THIS ASIDE AND START OVER AGAIN. IT WILL BE BETTER FOR ALL OF US. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

MS. AGNUS LIDEN. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: AGNUS LIDEN. 2184 LAKESIDE DRIVE EAST.

LOCATED IN EGANS BLUFF OFF SIMMONS ROAD ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED PARK AREA. I AM A PARENT WITH FOUR KIDS. WE MOVED TO FERNANDINA IN 2005. RELOCATED HERE FOR WORK. WE HAD THE OPTION TO MOVE TO JACKSONVILLE WITH A LOT OF OUR CO-WORKERS BUT WE CHOSE THIS COMMUNITY FOR THE THINGS THAT IT OFFERED. AND FELL IN LOVE WITH IT. WE'VE MOVED AWAY BUT

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MAINTAINED PROPERTY AND MAINTAIN OUR RELATIONSHIPS HERE. THE PEOPLE WE MAINTAIN RELATIONSHIPS HERE ARE PEOPLE WE MET AT THE PARKS. AND THE PEOPLE WHO FILLED IN FOR ME WHEN I WAS IN A FAMILY CRISIS AND MY HUSBAND WAS OVERSEAS WORKING ON SOMETHING WERE THE PEOPLE THAT I MET YEARS AGO IN 2005 AT THE PARKS. THEY'RE LIKE MY SURROGATE FAMILY. WHEN YOU MOVE AWAY YOU KIND OF HAVE TO MAKE THEM. ANYWAY WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WAS THE FACT THAT THE AREA WHERE YOU ARE TRYING TO PROPOSE THIS PARK IS SOMETHING I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH. WE PURCHASED THE HOME IN EGANS BLUFF ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WITH THE HOPE OF HAVING THE RIVER TO SEA TRAIL.

WE KNEW IT WAS STILL UNDER DISCUSSION AND STILL UNDER PLANNING BUT WE KNEW WHEN WE BOUGHT THAT HOME THAT WAS A POSSIBILITY FOR US. WE ALSO BOUGHT THAT HOME BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT IT WAS CLOSE TO OUR CHILDREN'S SCHOOL. THEY CAN RIDE THEIR BIKES TO SCHOOL WHEN THEY DO. WE NEED IT WAS CLOSE TO OUR COMMUNITIES RESOURCES THAT WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO USE. GOT A BASEBALL PLAYER AND SOCCER PLAYER. MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WHO IS FOUR AND QUITE QUIRKY IS GOING TO LOCAL PRESCHOOL. SO, ALL OF THAT IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. BUT WE, UNFORTUNATELY, ARE NOT. SO, AND MANY PEOPLE HAVE VOICED THEIR OPINIONS AS A COUNTY RESIDENT OUR VOICE DOESN'T COUNT. WHEN I AM ASKED TO VOLUNTEER AND ASKED TO STEP FORWARD AND HELP OUT I DON'T SAY SORRY THE CITY ISSUE I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT. SORRY THAT PARKS IN THE CITY I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT. I STEP FORWARD BECAUSE THIS IS MY COMMUNITY. THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE CHOSE TO MOVE BACK TO WHEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK FROM HOME. THIS WAS THE HOME WE CAME BACK TO. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WE'VE TRAVELED THE WORLD.

I'VE BEEN TO KNIFE CONTINENTS. OVER -- FIVE CONTINENTS. OVER 35 COUNTRIES, 35 STATES WITH MY KIDS, WITHOUT MY KIDS, AND I VISITED A LOT OF PARKS. I'VE ALSO HELPED DEVELOP A PARK IN A NATURE CONSERVE AREA IN GERMANY. I AM HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO WORK TO FUND RAISE HERE TO RAISE AWARE BEST IN TO THE COUNTY THAT AS A COMMUNITY WE NEED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE WELLBEING OF OUR RESIDENTS AND I ALSO WANTED TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE FACT WHEN PEOPLE BOUGHT THEIR HOMES WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND THEY PAID THOSE IMPACT FEES THEY WERE PAID WITH -- THEY PAID THEM WITH THE PROMISE THEY WOULD RECEIVE RESOURCES. SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO SEND THAT HALF MILE RADIUS TO A FULL MILE BECAUSE THE NEW BIKE TRAIL ALLOWS ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE WITHIN FOUR MILES GET THEIR INPUT. INCLUDE THEM IN THE DISCUSSION. BECAUSE THEY DO PAY CITY TAXES AND THEY SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE PROCESS. WE'RE FOR THE PARK AND I HOPE YOU GUYS WILL CONSIDER THAT. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU MA'AM.

>> MAN: REGARDING SOME OF THE GOVERNANCE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO CONFORM TO.

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YOU ARE NOT PUSHING ANY KIND OF DESIGN OR ANYTHING DOWN BUT WE'VE TAKEN SOME VERBAL REQUIREMENTS AND WE HAVE PUT THEM ONTO A PLAN FOR REVIEW AND WE ARE BEING GUIDED THROUGH THE GOVERNANCE PROCESS. WE ARE NOT PUSHING THROUGH ANY OF THE PROCESSES.

WE ALSO HAVE A COOPERATION WITH ANOTHER GROUP. IF THINGS DO CHANGE TO ADDRESS MISTER ROSS'S OPINION. IF THE REQUIREMENTS CHANGE WE WILL NEED TO REEVALUATE BOTH GROUPS. WE HAVE MISSIONS THAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.

YOU HEARD WERE ITEMS ARE BEING FUN RINGS, THOSE FUNDS NOT BE AVAILABLE TO COMPLETE SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE IF THE REQUIREMENTS CHANGE. ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU OF IS THAT THIS IS A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS.

WE ARE NOT EXACTLY HAPPY WITH THE NUMBER OF COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DIRECTED TOWARDS US.

THE GROUPS OF VOLUNTEERS OF RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS THAT HAVE PROVIDED FREE SERVICES IN REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT, VOLUNTEERS HAVE DEBATED NOTHING FROM THE CITY EXCEPT TO EXCEED THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR PTHE INFRASTRUCTURE.HE OTHER GROUP A GREAT PLACE FOR AUTISTIC CHILDREN TO PLAY. THEY HAVE NOT REQUESTED ANY TAX DOLLARS AND YET THEY ARE GOING TO FREELY GIVE THEIR SERVICES AND MONEY TO A GREAT CAUSE WITH EXECUTED FUNDRAISING.

TO BE CLEAR I AM JUST HERE TO GIVE YOU MY VOICE. PLEASE STOP USING FACEBOOK UNLESS YOU WANT TO USE A PHOTO OF POSTING PICTURES OF YOUR GRANDKIDS.

I'M ALSO ASKING THAT THEIR LEADERS HERE WITH A GREAT GROUP THAT CAPITALIZE ON THE MOVEMENT OF CONSERVATION. I ENCOURAGE THEM TO FORM A 501(C)(3) AND RAISE MONEY TO CREATE PLANS AND PARTNER WITH YOU JUST LIKE WE HAVE. ANYONE CAN DO IT.

THE JUST HAVE TO BE ORGANIZED. AS YOU ARE RECONSIDERING SOME OF THE PAST DECISIONS I WONDER IF WISHING RECONSIDER THE TAX LEVY. I AM A HARD-WORKING FAMILY OF THREE CHILDREN WORKING HERE IN THE CITY PAYING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR IN TAXES.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD RECONSIDER THE TAXES THAT ARE BEING COMPOSED AND PULL THOSE BACK UNTIL

SETTLED OUT OF IT. >> SPEAKER: ANY OTHER CITY RESIDENTS? . OKAY SANDRA REY? THE EIGHT NAME IS SANDRA I LIVE ON AMELIA ISLAND. I'M A COUNTY RESIDENTS. I JUST WANT TO START BY SAYING THE CONFLICT ABOUT THE CONFLICT IN THE CITY BRINGS NO PURPOSE. THERE COUNTY AND CITY PARTS.

CITY RESIDENTS PAY COUNTY TAXES, IP COUNTY TAXES. THERE IS NO DUPLICATION AND NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE TONIGHT IS REALLY NOT ABOUT THAT.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PARK, IT'S ABOUT A SYSTEM THAT'S BROKEN. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE INTEGRITY AND THE HONESTY OF BRINGING THIS AND THE TRUTH AND FAXED TO THE FRONT.

IT REALLY BOTHERS ME THAT THERE SUCH A LACK OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN OFFICIALS, CITY MANAGERS, CITY STAFF, PARK DIRECTORS, CITY ATTORNEYS. IT'S LIKE THE LEFT HAND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT HAND IS DOING. I WAS AT THE PARK MEETING LAST WEEK. IT WAS ALMOST LIKE THEY WERE BIKING.

THEY ARE VOLUNTEERS TOO. I GIVE UP THEIR TIME TO SERVE FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY. IT WAS ALMOST LIKE THEY WERE BEGGING THE CITY ATTORNEY OR THE PARKS DIRECTOR OR SOMEBODY TO GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION. THEY GOT NOTHING EXCEPT FOR ONE COMMENT THAT I HEARD ABOUT WHETHER A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE COULD VOTE ABOUT PULLING THE RESOLUTION OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION AGENDA. SHE LIVES IN THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED SITE. OTHER THAN THAT THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.HERE REALLY IS DISTURBING. THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT AND YET THERE IS THIS OTHER OUTSIDE COMMUNICATION AS HE MENTIONED. THERE'S INSIDE AND OUTSIDE.

I WAS AT THAT PERSON MANAGEMENT AND STAFF AS WELL AS PEOPLE CAN HAVE THESE EMAILS FLYING AROUND WITHOUT THE PUBLIC WHICH IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR YOUR OPEN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST.

THAT IS NOT TRANSPARENCY. THAT IS FOBORDERLINE VIOLATION FLORIDA SUNSHINE LAWS.

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THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SPEND THOSE KINDS OF AUTHORITIES BEFORE THE PARK ITSELF HAS EVEN BEEN APPROVED. HEN I APPROACH ONE OF THE COMMISSIONER HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? I WAS TOLD THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT AS LONG AS THEY KEEP

EACH TRANSACTION UNDER $20,000. >> VERY CAREFULLY EACH TRANSACTION WAS KEPT UNDER $20,000. THAT IS NOT TRANSPARENCY. IT'S FISCAL IRRESPONSIBILITY.

IF YOU WANT PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS YOU HAVE TO MAKE THEM FEEL THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.

>> WE HAVE THREE MORE AND THEN WE WILL TAKE A BREAK. >> WOMAN: I AM MARGARET KIRKLAND. I AM REPRESENTING AMELIA AS USUAL.

IT'S THE MAJORITY OF DONORS AND MEMBERS AND CITY RESIDENTS. JUST IN CASE THIS IS RELEVANT.

WE ARE IN FAVOR OF A PARK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CITY. WE ARE IN FAVOR OF HAVING SOMETHING ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE AND SOMETHING EDUCATIONAL.

WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SITE AND THERE ARE SEVERAL POINTS ON THE MAKE ON THIS.

I'M A LITTLE BIT DISTURBED ABOUT THE INTERPRETATIONS OF PEOPLE AND HOW THEY HAVE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.F YOU DO A LINGUISTIC ANALYSIS OF THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN IT'S OBVIOUS WHAT THAT PLAN IS ABOUT. WITH THE INTENT WAS AND THE WRITING OF IT.

REPEATEDLY THE FREQUENCY IS INCREDIBLE. THROUGHOUT THE PLAN THERE IS SUPPORT FOR MAINTAINING AND PROTECTING THE WETLANDS AND UPLIFT AND WILDLIFE AS WELL AS THE CORE DOORS. THIS IS REALLY OBVIOUS. IF I HAVE TIME I WILL DO THIS IS A LINGUISTIC STUDY. I WOULD AGREE WITH LINDA WILLIAMS POINTING OUT THE LAST LINE OF WHAT THE ATTORNEYS SAID ABOUT HOW IT COULD BE INTERPRETED DIFFERENTLY.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO INTERPRET IT STRICTLY AS SUPPORTING A PARK IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. . OUR ENVIRONMENTAL REALITY IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WAS IN 2011 WHEN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN WAS WRITTEN.

WE NOW HAVE VERY FEW HEAVILY WOODED PARCELS LIKE THE ONE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DESTROYING IT BECAUSE WE ARE LIMITING THESE PARCELSIN SIZE.

THERE ARE VERY EW AND THEY WILL BE DAMAGED BY THE IND AND BY THE SALT.

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AND WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING OUT FOR OUR WILDLIFE AND THOSE CORE DOORS. WE ARE ALSO HAVING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THIS ON YOUR OTHER PLANS FOR THE MARINO AND FOR THE REFERENDUM CONSERVATION.

IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. IT'S THE LAST CHANCE TO NOT BE SOUTH FLORIDA.

>> SPEAKER: MISS CHERYL WOULD. >> OMAN: GOOD EVENING I MY NAME IS CHERYL WOOD.

I AM NOT A CITY RESIDENT. I HAVE TO BE PERIPHERALLY INVOLVED IN THIS DISCUSSION.

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I'VE TRIED TO STAY OUT OF IT A LITTLE BIT.HOSE OF YOU THAT THINK THE PRESENTATION WAS FACTUAL NEED TO KNOW SOME ACTUAL FACTS. MISTER LEBOVITZ REFERENCED AN EMAIL THAT I SENT TO THE ASSISTANT. THE REASON I SENT IT TO THE ASSISTANT IS BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE THE CORRECT EMAIL ADDRESS SO I DIRECTED IT TO THE ASSISTANT AND ASKED HER TO FORWARD IT. I DID ALSO SEND IT TO MY ASSOCIATES. I DO HAVE TO SAY THAT THE INFORMATION THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE EMAIL WAS PROVIDED TO MISTER LEVIN ABOUT EIGHT HOURS RLIER IN RESPONSE TO ONE OF HIS POSTS ON FACEBOOK. THE IDEA THAT THERE IS S ANY KIND OF NEFARIOUS BEHIND THE HE SCENES CLOSED-DOOR THING GOING ON IS KIND OF CRAZY. HE DID NOT CARE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN ON FACEBOOK. HE SAW AND RESPONDED TO IT.

THEN WHEN HE THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES HE GOT REALLY INTERESTED IN IT. THE TELEPHONE CONVERSATIONS THAT HE BOILED DOWN TO FOUR LINES ON HIS SLIDE TOOK PLACE OVER 25 MINUTES. THE TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WERE EXPLAINED A LOT OF THINGS TO HIM WHERE HE DID NOT REFERENCE TONIGHT.

HE'S A PRIVATE CITIZEN THAT HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT SUPPOSEDLY AND BASICALLY TOOK ME TO TASK.

HE CALLED ME FROM A PHONE THAT WAS NOT HIS PHONE. WHEN I SAW THE CALLER ID DIDN'T HAVE HIS NAME ON IT. WHEN I ANSWERED THE PHONE I SAID I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE I WAS EXPECTING A FEMALE PERSON BASED ON THE CALLER ID AND IT WAS HIM.

HE PROCEEDED THEN TO SAY WHO ARE YOU. ARE YOU A PAID CONSULTANT? WHY ARE YOU ADVISING THE CITY ATTORNEY? THIS IS THE TURN OF THE CONVERSATION AND I WAS KIND OF TAKEN ABACK BY THAT. I EXPLAINED TO HIM THAT I'M REALLY NOBODY BECAUSE I AM REALLY NOBODY. I'M JUST A PRIVATE CITIZEN.

I AM INTERESTED IN THIS PROCESS. >> I HAVE A QUESTION MISS

WOOD. >> YOU CAN JUST ANSWER IT UP TO YOU.

>> MAN: ON YOUR OPINION THAT YOU SENT, WHY DIDN'T YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF AS THE

TREASURER? >> IS A PHILLY TERMS UNDER WHICH I CAN HAVE AN OPINION?

>> I'M JUST ASKING. >> BECAUSE I THINK SHE KNOWS WHO I AM.

>> SO MY CALL WAS TO ASK WHO YOU WERE. >> WOMAN: THAT WOULD'VE BEEN FINE BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY YOU ASKED IT. YOU ARE MEAN-SPIRITED WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO ME ON THE THE PHONE. I DID NOT HAVE TO CALL YOU BACK AND TELL YOU ABOUT MY ACTIVITIES BUT I DID. AS A PART OF THE CONVERSATION

YOU SAID YOU ADMIRED BY INTEGRITY FOR HAVING DONE THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY I DO.

>> WHY DOES THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY STILL EXIST? >> YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS

QUESTIONS TO ME SO THAT'S FINE. >> I WAS ANSWERING HIS QUESTION.

>> FOR ME JUST AT THE SLIMMEST THING. THIS IS A VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE TO BE ON FOR A PUBLIC OFFICIAL IN MY OPINION. WHEN A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY CANNOT FEEL COMFORTABLE EXPRESSING AN OPINION THE MATTER WHO THEY ARE WHO THEY REPRESENT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO REPRESENT OUR OPINIONS WITHOUT BEING SECOND-GUESSED BY SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT LIKE THE FACT THAT WE BELONG TO A CERTAIN ORGANIZATION.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE IN THE SPIRIT THAT EVERYONE HAS MENTIONED THERE NEEDS TO BE SENT TO

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FOREIGN IN THE DISCOURSE. >> MAN: HAVE ONE LESS COMMENT. MISS WOOD IF YOU WOULD RETURN.

BEFORE MY PRESENTATION DID YOU COME UP TO THIS PODIUM AND THREATENED TO SUE ME AND GO TO

THE ETHICS COMMISSION? >> WOMAN: YES I DID BECAUSE I THINK IT IS A VIOLATION OF YOUR ETHICS TO INTIMIDATE A PUBLIC CITIZEN WHO SPEAKS OUT ON SOMETHING THAT YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH. I THINK THAT IT IS SLANDEROUS WHEN YOU GET UP AND YOU MAKE INSINUATIONS ABOUT A PERSON'S CHARACTER THAT ARE NOT CORRECT. WHY YOU WOULD MENTION I DON'T KNOW. I INFORMED MISTER MARTIN THAT I WAS CONCERNED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION IN THE WAY THAT IT PORTRAYED MY INVOLVEMENT IN THIS PROCESS.

I AM A PRIVATE CITIZEN AND I CAN BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS IN WHATEVER WAY I WANT TO.

FOR YOU TO TAKE MY IMAGE WHICH WAS TAKEN WHICH WAS TAKEN YEARS AGO AND PUT IT ON YOUR PRESENTATION TO ACT LIKE I WAS DOING SOMETHING RELATED TO THIS PROJECT IN THAT IMAGE.

FOR YOU TO TAKE THE CONVERSATION AND BOIL IT 25 MINUTES INTO FOUR LINES THAT MISREPRESENTED THE ENTIRE CONTENT OF THE CONVERSATION IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT TAKES FOR A PERSON WHO THINKS THAT'S OKAY. FOR THEM TO LEARN THAT THAT IS NOT OKAY. YOU DON'T TREATABLE THAT WAY JUST BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE.

>> IS THAT IT'S YOUR QUESTIONS ARE? >> MAN: IT DID.

>> SPEAKER: REVEREND ANTHONY DANIELS. >> THE LAST ONE IS MISS LIND

UNKNOWN. >> WOMAN: LYNN PENN KNOWN, SINCE YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A FINAL PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE ON? YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A FINAL PLAN FOR BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COULD POSSIBLY END UP BEING BECAUSE IT COULD CHANGE. THAT HAS BEEN STATED TONIGHT.

ONE MORE POINT AS YOU'RE HAVING A REFERENDUM NEXT NOVEMBER 2020 ON LAND CONSERVATION AND GET IN ADDITION TO THAT YOU JUST PASSED THAT HALF MILLION DOLLAR TAX INCREASE.

YOU OWN IT ALREADY ENDS YET YOU'RE GOING TO DEVELOP IT. THAT'S A REAL DISCONNECT.

>> THE LAST ONE HAS ANáOVER HIS LETTER. KEVIN BOUCHER.

>> MAN: MY NAME IS KEVIN BOUCHER. I LIVE AT 96 TO 59 OCEAN BREEZE DRIVE. THAT IS THE COUNTY. WE ARE TOTALLY SURROUNDED BY CITY PROPERTY. IF YOU WERE TO TAKE A SURVEY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WE WERE THINKING MAYBE A YEAR BEFORE WE WERE ANNEXED. MY WIFE AND I ARE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN A MULTITUDE OF CITY THINGS AS WELL AS COUNTY THINGS.

UNFORTUNATELY I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO START OUT WITH A NEGATIVE NOTE.

I'VE ATTENDED SEVERAL OF THESE MEETINGS AND I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN SOME OF THE TONE APPEAR IN SOME OF THE TONE OUT HERE. FERNANDINA BEACH IS BETTER THAN THIS. I NEVER THOUGHT IT WOULD COME TO A MEETING TO SEE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DO THINGS THESE PEOPLE RIGHT OR WRONG? I HAVE NO IDEA BUT I FEEL LIKE

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THEY ARE HERE UNDER GOOD INTENTIONS. I CANNOT SAY THAT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S WITH THESE GROUPS. I'VE BEEN SURPRISED. I'VE BEEN SURPRISED BY SOME OF YOU APPEAR. FEEL LIKE I'M WATCHING THE IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS.

THAT'S THE KIND OF TONE I'M GETTING. IT'S VERY SAD.

WE LIVE VERY CLOSE TO SIMMONS ROAD. WE REGULARLY TAKE OUR CHILDREN AND WALKED ON THAT BEAUTIFUL WALKWAY THAT THEY JUST PUT LEADING DOWN TO THE OCEAN.

IT'S A TERRIFIC WAY TO EXPOSE OUR GEAR AND CHILDREN TO THE WONDERS OF THE OCEAN, THE NATURE, BIRDS, TURTLES AND FISH. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CHOICES THAT WERE AVAILABLE, THE AIRPORT LETS THE PLAYGROUND RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUN.

YOU LOOK AT THE GOLF COURSE, DON'T KNOW IF YOU NOTICED OR NOT BUT IN THOSE PICTURES THAT GOLF COURSE PARKING LOT WAS FULL. THAT GOT PARKING LOT IS REGULARLY JAMPACKED. YOU MENTION THE SOCCER FIELD, AGAIN LET'S STICK A PLAYGROUND FOR LITTLE BITTY KIDS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUN. I CAN SEE WHY MAYBE THEY THOUGHT TO PARK ON SIMMONS ROAD AND IT WAS THE BEST CHOICE. FOR ME I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THE TRAIL THAT GOES THROUGH THERE. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO EXPOSE OUR CHILDREN AND OUR FAMILIES TO NATURE. THERE'S A RISK THAT SOME OF THE WILDLIFE WOULD BE DISTURBED. THERE'S A RISK THAT SOME OF THE TREES WILL BE DISTURBED.

THERE IS NOT A PARK IN AMERICA THAT WERE THAT HAS NOT

E BREAK. >>> BEFORE WE MOVE ON IS MISTER DANIEL BACK? WITH THAT WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ISSUE.

COMMISSIONER ROSS YOU HAVE THE TOPIC? >> MAN: I WANT TO CLEAR UP A MISCONCEPTION THAT HAS BEEN ABOUT THE PARK BEING NOT BUILT. THIS WILL GET SOLD OFF OR SOMETHING ELSE. IN OUR CITY CHARTER THIS IS A RECREATIONAL LAND THAT'S PROTECTED. THE ONLY WAY THAT THIS IS UNDER FUTURE LAND USE AND THE ONLY WAY I CAN GET SOLD OFF AS IF THE COMMISSION VOTED TO SELL IT AND IT WENT TO A VOTER REFERENDUM. SAYING THAT IF WE DON'T BUILD A PARK HERE IT WILL TURN INTO A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THAT'S ERRONEOUS. FURTHER, NOT TONIGHT BUT IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND ASKED THAT THE CITY COMMISSION CONSIDER HAVING AN ATTORNEY PUT ON THE CITY LAND THAT ARE CONSERVATION AND/OR RECREATION AND EASEMENT THAT SAYS THAT THEY CANNOT CHANGE THE ZONING ON THOSE FROM RECREATION OR FROM CONSERVATION.

THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER AND THAT WOULD GO THE LAND AND PROTECTION FOR THESE LANDS.

I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR UP THE MISCONCEPTION. >> MOST OF THE REST OF WHAT I WILL SAY IS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS. I THINK WE'VE MET THE ENEMY AND THEY ARE US. THERE'S A LOT OF ANGER HERE AND A LOT OF MISTRUST.

WHO I REALLY WORK FOR IS NOT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS BUT FOR THE CITY IN RESIDENCE.

I TRY TO ANSWER EVERY EMAIL THAT I GET. I'M NOT 100% SUCCESSFUL BUT I THINK ANYBODY THAT HAS SENT ME AN EMAIL ARE EITHER CALLED OR GET AN EMAIL.

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I'M CAN ASK SOME QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPOSED BY CITY RESIDENTS.

I WOULD HOPE BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE ON THIS AT LEAST WE HAVE SOME IDEA OF THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE HAS TO DO WITH THIS IS GOLF COURSE PROPERTY.

THE REASON I FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT IS BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THE DEED AND WONDERED HOW THE CITY GOT TO OWN THIS PROPERTY. WHEN I WENT BACK IT SAID ZERO CONSIDERATIONS.

SOMEBODY GAVE IT TO THE CITY FOR CONSERVATION. IT TURNED OUT NOT TO BE THE STORY. WHAT REALLY IS THE STORY IS BACK IN 1993.

I'M GOING TO READ FROM A MEMORANDUM THAT WAS WRITTEN BY THE CITY MANAGER AND COMMISSION. IT SAYS I CONCUR THE GOLF COURSE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE 6.5 ACRES CONTINUES TO THE GOLF COURSE FOR PURCHASING WITH THE CITY TO ALLOW FOR FUTURE EXPANSION FOR THE GOLF COURSE. THE PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT FOR HUNDRED AND $55,000 BACK IN THE 1990S. THE MONEY WAS BORROWED BY THE CITY GOLF COURSE.

THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE CALL THE ENTERPRISE FUND. WE'RE TAKING AWAY A PIECE OF PROPERTY FROM ONE OF OUR FUNDS AND NOT GOING TO PAY THAT FOR THE PROPERTY.

MY FIRST QUESTION IS TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. WHY DOES ONE DEPARTMENT TAKING LAND FROM AN ENTERPRISE FUND WITHOUT SUPPORT FOR PAYING FOR THAT FUND.

MY NEXT THOUGHT AND THE GENTLEMAN IS NO LONGER HERE IS A PIECE IN THE OBSERVER WHICH I THOUGHT WAS QUITE GOOD. PRIOR TO MY VOTING FOR THIS PROJECT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE HAVE SEVEN PLAYGROUNDS IN THE CITY. I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE IN THE COUNTY BY THE WAY. THE CITY OF 12,000 PEOPLE HAS 12 PLAYGROUNDS.

I THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE ADA COMPLIANT AND WERE WELCOMING TO KIDS.

I READ THIS ARTICLE AND IT TOOK A RIDE AND LOOKED AT IT. WE LOOKED AT EVERY PLAYGROUND AND I JUST WANT TO READ A COUPLE THINGS FROM THIS ARTICLE.

THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL PLACES THAT MY FAMILY AND I USE. THEY ARE NOT FOR EVERYONE.

IN FACT THERE ARE MANY FAMILIES THAT CANNOT USE ANY OF THOSE PARKS.

SAND, TREES AND APPROPRIATE PEQUIPMENT POSE OBSTACLES TO MANY FAMILIES.

IT HITS HOME FOR ME WHEN A FAMILY MEMBER VISITED. SHE WAS LIMITED TO A WHEELCHAIR. AS WE TOOK HER AROUND TO SHOW OFF THE ISLAND WE WERE HIT WITH OBSTACLES. IT TURNS OUT THAT ACCESSIBILITY IS A REAL ISSUE.

FAST-FORWARD ON THAT. WHEN THESE FAMILIES GO LOOK FOR PLAYGROUNDS THERE'S ONLY ONE.

THE PIRATE PLAYGROUND AND TUCKED BEHIND THE CENTER. MY THOUGHT IS INSTEAD OF MAKING AN ENTIRELY NEW PROGRAM WHY ARE WE NOT FOCUSING ON ONE. WE ALREADY HAVE SIX PLAYGROUNDS THAT ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE. I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

I AM AWARE OF IT NOW SO I WOULD SAY TO MY CITY COMMISSIONER, WHY ARE WE BUILDING A NEW PARK IF WE'RE MAKING THE OTHER PLAYGROUNDS ACCESSIBLE AND WELCOMING TO EVERYONE? I THINK THAT IS A FAR BETTER GOAL THAN MAKING A NEW PARK. MY NEXT ISSUE IS THAT THE ROOMS. BATHROOMS ARE THE BEING OF THE CITY MANAGER.

SEVERAL TIMES MY WIFE AND I ATTEMPTED TO USE RESTROOMS IN THE CITY.

A WOMAN'S RESTROOM WITHOUT TOILET PAPER DOES NOT QUALIFY AS OPEN.

HAVING A DOWNTOWN COMFORT STATION NOT OPEN BEFORE FESTIVITIES START IS THAT OCCURS. ESPECIALLY WHEN BEING PUSHED BY NONPROFITABLE AND BUILDING ANOTHER PARK THE CITY CANNOT AFFORD TO TAKE CARE OF. WHEN I TOOK THE TOUR WITH MY WIFE I PULLED ON EVERY BATHROOM IN THE DOOR. WHEN I LOOKED IN AND LET'S JUST

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SAY THEY WERE HYGIENICALLY CHALLENGED. I WORK IN AN EMERGENCY ROOM AND I CAN TELL YOU PEOPLE IN THE HOSPITAL ARE REALLY HARD TO KEEP BATHROOMS CLEAN.

IF IT'S ONLY CLEANED ONCE AGAIN IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. WE HAVE THESE BATHROOMS THAT WE ALREADY CANNOT MAINTAINED. WHY ARE WE FUNDING A NEW BATHROOM WHEN WE CAN'T RETAIN THE OTHER ONES. WHAT I WOULD BELIEVE I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT WE HAVE MORE THAN $30 MILLION WORTH OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED TO REPLACE IN THE CITY.

WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED AND RENOVATED. WE HAVE A LAND PARK.

WHY AREN'T WE USING MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE ARTY HAVE? WE CANNOT TAKE CARE OF IT.

THAT'S MY NEXT QUESTION. WHAT BUILDING WERE BATHROOMS. IT'S NOT CHEAP.

TALKING SOMEBODY TWO OR THREE TIMES A DAY GOING IN TO TAKE CARE OF THE BATHROOMS. MY NEXT CONCERN IS MONEY. OUR NUMBER ONE GOAL IS TO BUILD A WATERFRONT PARK.

WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT HOW MUCH PARK IT HAS AND WHERE IT GOES. WE HAVE COMMITTED AND THIS IS BEEN GOING ON FOR 25 YEARS. TO BUILD THE PARK IT TAKES MONEY.

WE ARE CITY OF 12,000. WE DON'T HAVE ENDLESS MONEY. AS I SHOWED YOU BEFORE AND MOST OF YOU ARE HERE WE HAVE $4 MILLION THAT WE CAN USE FOR WATERFRONT PARKS.

HE TOOK AWAY $900,003.1 MILLION. WE HAVE 3-POINT $9 MILLION LEFT. IF WE KEEP DOING THINGS LIKE THIS PARK WITH OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ON THIS IS LIST. NONE OF THEM ARE LIFE AND SAFETY MATTER EXPANDING THE CONCESSION IS NOT LIFE OR DEATH. GOES THROUGH THE LIST.

I WOULD BELIEVE THAT OUR GOAL IS OUR WATERFRONT PARK. WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT $3.1 MILLION WILL GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS PAYING FOR WATERFRONT PARK WHICH IS WHY ASKED THE QUESTION EARLIER ON.

OUR OTHER MAJOR GOAL WAS THAT WE WERE TO DO A BOND REFERENDUM WITH CONSERVATION LANDS.

WE RAISE TAXES BY HALF 1 MILLION. I STILL BELIEVE IN THAT.

I STILL BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO BUY LAND TO PROTECT THE LAND HERE.

I WOULD SAY THAT SOME OF THE CONSTITUENT SET OF EMAILED ME IF WE ARE INCREASING TAXES BY CONSERVATION WETLANDS ARE WE SPENDING MONEY TO ASK DESTROY THEM? IN ANOTHER ROUTE YOU'RE ACTUALLY CONSIDERING TAKING LAND THAT IS OWNED BY THE GOLF COURSE WHICH IS PRISTINE AND CONSERVED IN MAKING IT A PARK WHICH MEANS EXCESS OF 90 NOW TURNS OUT TO 70 OR 60. TREES WILL BE CUT DOWN IN CONCRETE IS ADDED.

WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT FOR PERPETUITY. WHY IN HEAVEN SAKES THAT YOU WORK FOR THE INCREASE? IT SEEMS YOU DON'T REALLY BELIEVE IN CONSERVATION EXCEPT WE ARE PAYING DEARLY FOR IT. IT SEEMS INCREDIBLY ABSURD TO ME AND QUITE HYPOCRITICAL.

I THINK THIS WHOLE THING WILL HAVE A VERY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON ANY EFFORT WE DO TO RAISE MONEY AND PRESERVE LAND IF WE DON'T PRESERVE THE LAND THAT WE ARTY HAVE.

THAT IS MY OPINION. >> FINALLY I WOULD LIKE TO READ ONE LAST EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED TODAY AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS RECEIVED THIS TOO.

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I'M WRITING YOU TO ASK THAT YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR SIMMONS PARK. THERE ARE SO MANY REASONS NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT. NO GRANT MONEY, DESTROYING ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND THAT BELONGS TO THE GOLF COURSE.

ADDING MORE PARK SPACE WHEN THE CITY CAN'T TAKE CARE OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE AND ON AND ON. LOOK, KNOWN AS MORE SUPPORTIVE FOR MY FAMILY WAS 80 CAUSES.

WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR NEW GOLF COURSES HUNDRED PERCENT ACCESSIBLE.

THE COMMISSIONER CAN SOMETIMES BLIND YOU INTO VOTING FOR PARTICULAR PROJECTS FOR WHAT VOTERS WANT. THIS REALLY IS NOT THE HEAT IN THIS ONE.

WE RAISE TAXES TO BUY PROPERTY TO STOP DEVELOPMENT YET ARE GETTING READY TO DEVELOP PROPERTY WE ARTY KNOW. IF YOU NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER PARK TRY PRODUCING SOME LAND OF THE CITY DOES NOT ALREADY OWN. SEE YOU CAN PLANT SOME NEW ONES.

THAT'S WHAT WE DID. IT'S ONLY TO CHANGE INTO A PARK LIKE SETTING WITH NEW TREES.

PLEASE STOP AND REASSESS. TIM AND I DON'T AGREE ON MANY THINGS.

ON THIS WHEN WE ARE COMPATIBLE. THERE'S A POINT. TIM AND I DON'T AGREE ON A LOT OF THINGS BUT WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE CONVERSATIONS. I DON'T TAKE OFFENSE.

BY THE WAY I AM FROM NEW YORK AND HIS UNCLE ON FACEBOOK. I DON'T TAKE OFFENSE TO YOU THINKING I'M A YANKEE. I WOULD HOPE THAT WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITHOUT PEOPLE TAKING THE FENCE FROM EACH OTHER. YOU GUYS ARE AMATEURS AT THIS.

WE NEED TO GET ALONG AND WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER. WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT CAN PASS WITH A 5 TO 0. I JUST DON'T THINK WE ARE HERE. I CHANGED MY MIND.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT. I'M JUST GONNA TAKE CARE WHAT WE GOT.

I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER THE THOUGHTS. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAINTAINING SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T DO. IT'S NOT AS WELL AS YOU THINK WE SHOULD AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARK. WE RAISE IMPACT FEES TO THE MAXIMUM.

IMPACT FEES ARE TO PROVIDE FOR CAPITAL FACILITIES WITH COST MADE NECESSARY BY GROWTH.

OUR PLAN REQUIRES PARKS. THAT MUST MEET THE PROPOSED NEW DEVELOPMENT WITH THE NEED AND IMPACT OF ADDITIONAL FACILITIES FOR PEOPLE THAT PAY. THEY'LL PAY PROBABLY A $2000 1719 GRAND. YOU CAN IMAGINE WITH MOST OF THE HOUSES CONTENT.

WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT NEXT. THE PARK IS DIFFERENT.

IT'S A PARK THAT MEETS THAT NEED. MAINTAINING THE FACILITY IS ANOTHER CRITICAL ISSUE. 88 IS ANOTHER ISSUE. ARTICLE DOES NOT TRUMP THE REQUIREMENTS AND NEEDS BY LAW. WE RAISE THEM TO THE MAX. WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT WE DON'T

NEED TO USE THEM FOR THE PARK. THE SUN WITH THE PLAN SAYS. >> CAN I RESPOND TO THAT.

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I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. IF THAT'S THE CASE MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO COLLECT FUNDS THEN. THIS IS A COMMISSION THAT VOTED 50 FOR HALF 1 MILLION.

THIS IS A CITY. REMEMBER THAT THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT WE TALK ABOUT AND IT'S NOT CONSERVATION PROPERTY, IT'S RECREATIONAL PROPERTY. THIS IS A CITY WITH 42% CURRENTLY IN CONSERVATION. OR RECREATION. THAT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING BECAUSE MUCH OF THE CONSERVATION IS ACTUALLY CONSERVATION.

IT HAD TO BE IMPROPER TO THE REST OF IT WOULD NATION. THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE REASONS WE NEVER WENT TO AIRPORT BECAUSE WE COULDN'T DO THAT.

THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. JUST WALKED WITH PROPERTY IN THE CONSERVATION OF SIGNIFICANT COST WAS IMPLEMENTED LAW WHICH EVERYBODY SEEMED TO HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT.

ALL EVER SETTING WERE NOT CONCERNED AND THAT'S CRAZY. REMEMBER 29% ARE STRONGLY OPPOSED TO CONSERVATION. 28% FAVORED IT. STRONGLY.

I DON'T TO THE CONSERVATION. THEY HAVE MAINTAIN THE CONSERVATION.

EVEN BETTER PEOPLE GET TO EXPERIENCE WILL CONSERVATION IS.

WE ARE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES. IF WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT THEN

WE IMPACTED. THIS IS IN GENERAL MONEY. >> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

HAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE HAVE TO HAVE IMPACT FEES FOR NEW PARKS IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING? > THE STATE LAW SAYS WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT THE PEOPLE THAT PAY GET THE BENEFIT.

IT MEETS THE LETTER AND SPIRIT OF THE LAW ABOUT IMPACT FEES. >> SING ON ONE SECOND THE

COMMISSIONER HAS A QUESTION. >> I AGREE WITH YOU BUT I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE DON'T USE IT FOR NEW PARKS. I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE USE IT FOR THE NEW PARKS WHICH IS THE WATERFRONT. IT'S AN IMPACT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE PULLED OFF FOR MANY YEARS. IT'S SOMETHING THAT MANY PEOPLE WANT. I HAVE SAID THAT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT YOU CANNOT USE IMPACT FEES IN THEM TO REMIND YOU OF THIS LATER IN THE MEETING. IT'S FOR MAINTENANCE AND REPLACING THINGS. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE DO. I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE USE THIS MONEY WITH A 3-POINT MILLION DOLLARS THAT WOULD BE LEFT FOR A NEW PARK AND THAT'S WHEN WE

FINANCE IT. >> IDENTIFY IDENTIFY THIS AS A PRIORITY.

AND READING POLICY 602 07. IT'S A AND A HALF MILE RADIUS. THAT'S THE COMP PLAN.

OUR GOALS AS COMMISSIONER IS TO TRUMP THAT. IT IS AN IDENTIFIED PRIORITY.

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TO ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR ISSUES YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT BATHROOMS AND THE PARKS IN THEM NOT BEING CARED FOR I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW A DIRTY BATHROOM EQUATES TO WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD BUILD A NEW PARK. IF WE HAVE DIRTY BATHROOMS IN THE CITY THAT IS A CITY ISSUE IF MAINTENANCE NEEDS TO ADDRESS. I'VE SPOKEN MANY TIMES ABOUT THE RESTAURANT DOWNTOWN. IF RESTROOMS ARE BEING CLEANED THEY ARE NOT OPENED ON TIME THAT IS A TOTALLY SEPARATE ISSUE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PARKS. I'VE HEARD SEVERAL TIMES WHEN WE HAVE TO BUILD A NEW PARK.

WHY SHOULD WE BUILD A PARK ON THE WATERFRONT AND HAVE THAT SAME NOT TAKEN CARE OF PHILOSOPHY. PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT BY LAND TO BUILD THIS PARK.

THE CHANCES ARE IF YOU BUY THE LAND TO BUILD THIS PARK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KNOCK DOWN TREES. WE ARTY HAVE A PIECE OF LAND THAT WE THINK I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I CAN GET UP ON MY SOAPBOX. IF YOU DON'T LIVE EVERY DAY WITH THE HANDICAPPED PERSON YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT IS LIKE. HAVE YOU WATCHED THE CHILD WALK ACROSS A ROOM?HEY FALL AND GET BACK UP. HOW MANY OF YOU WHO HAVE KIDS HAVE FOUGHT WITH THOSE KIDS BECAUSE THE OUTFIT THAT THEY PUT ON WASN'T EXACTLY UP TO CODE? THEY WOULD FIGHT WITH YOU TOOTH AND NAIL NOT TO CHANGE IT.

DO YOU KNOW WHY THOSE KIDS DID THAT? BECAUSE THEY WERE FIGHTING FOR INDEPENDENCE. IT'S A THING THAT IS BORN IN EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING TO BE INDEPENDENT WHILE IN SOME CASES IN AN INSTANT YOU LOSE THAT INDEPENDENCE.

WILL HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD FEEL GOOD ABOUT NOT GOING TO A FILE IN TARGET BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR YOTO GO DOWNWHE FOR WHEELCHAIR. HOW WOULD YOAS YOU N ADULT FEEL WHEN AN AIDE BRINGS YOU INTO THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE HOW WOULD YOU FEEL THE DOCTOR SAYS HAVE WHAT BRINGS HER IN TODAY? THEY DON'T ADDRESS THE HANDICAPPED PERSON THEY ADDRESS THE HANDICAPPED PERSON WITH THEM. IT'S LIKE THE HANDICAP PERSON DOES NOT EXIST. IS TOO STUPID TO ANSWER THEIR OWN QUESTIONS.

THAT'S THE LIFE OF A HANDICAPPED PERSON.E HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TONIGHT TO LET HANDICAPPED KIDS GO OUT IN NATURE. MANY TIMES PEOPLE HAVE FOUND THAT SONG ABOUT PUTTING THE TREES IN A MUSEUM. IF WE KEEP GOING THE WAY WE ARE GOING THAT WILL BE THE ONLY WAY A HANDICAPPED CHILD WILL GET CLOSE TO A TREE.

THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GO INTO THE PARKS TO GET UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL.

YES IT IS PERSONAL WITH ME. I HAVE SEEN THE FRUSTRATION NOT JUST AS A PARENT BUT I'VE WORKED WITH HANDICAPPED KIDS IN MY TEACHING. I TAUGHT AN EIGHTH GRADER ONE TIME WHO IS BLIND. SO BRILLIANT SHE MEMORIZED THE SCHOOL SO SHE COULD GO FROM CLASS TO CLASS BY YOURSELF COUNTING LOCKERS. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HER LIFE SHE WAS BUYING THE SCHOOL LUNCH AND SHE HAD A FRIEND WITH HER TO HELP HER.

THEIR STANDING IN LINE TO GET MUCH. THE CAFETERIA WORKER RETURNS TO THE AIDE AND SAYS WOULD CARRY LIKE A COOKIE? CARRIE WAS STANDING RIGHT

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THERE. SHE CAME TO MY ROOM AND I SAID CARRY NO PROBLEM.

THE NEXT TIME THE AIDE TURNS TO YOUR FRIEND AND SAYS WOULD CARRY LIKE A COOKIE? YOU HAVE YOUR FRIENDS AT A NO LET ME ASK HER. CARRIE WOULD YOU LIKE A COOKIE QUESTION MARK AND I TOLD CARRIE TO SAY I DON'T KNOW LET ME SEE YOU.

I GUARANTEED AN ADULT WILL NEVER DO THAT TO YOU AGAIN. YOU ARE RIGHT, THIS IS PERSONAL WITH ME. I WILL DEFEND TO MAKE A LIFE FOR ANYBODY WITH HANDICAP.

THEY CAN GET A TINY TASTE OF WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE NORMAL. THANK YOU SIR.

SPIN ON ANYONE ELSE? >> THINK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE .

THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR A MUNITY. YOU ARE A VITAL ASSET TO OUR COMMITTEE FOR A LONG TIME. ANYTHING YOU PUT YOUR HANDS ON WIWORK WILL WORK OUT.

WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT KEEPING IT PASSIVE. WHEN YOU SAY THINGS I KNOW THAT YOU MEAN THEM.I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO VOTING ON THIS. WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING DOWN THERE FOR THE RIBBON CUTTING AND SEEING THE KIDS OUT THERE ON THE PLAYGROUND.

>> WITH THAT WE WILL >> WILL MOVE TO PROVE THE MOTION.

THE MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR WITH THE ECOND. >> YOU HAVE TO VOTE YES, SIR NO. THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER. MY FEELING IS THAT I AGREE 100% WITH COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN ON AN ADA PARK. A NATURE PARK.

I CAN'T VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE THE FOOTPRINT IS SO LARGE. I'M GOING BACK TO THE WILDLIFE BIOLOGIST WHO SAYS YOU GUYS TO GREAT STUFF BUT THE BIOLOGIST AND EXPERT SAYS BY CREATING THIS DESIGN YOU ARE DESTROYING THE VERY THING YOU WANT ADA PEOPLE TO ENJOY.

THE WILDLIFE. BY VOTING NO IT'S LIKE I'M VOTING AGAINST WHAT I'M FOR BUT I CAN'T VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE THE PLAN DESTROYS THE INTENT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY? I'M SORRY, GOT CARRIED AWAY. MY SECOND POINT OF MY VOTE IS I'M PAYING $95 MORE IN TAXES IN ORDER TO PURCHASE LAND TO CONSERVE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO THE BULLDOZERS IN THIS PARCEL AND DESTROY IT WE ALREADY OWN IT.

I WANT MY MONEY BACK. I'M VOTING NO. >> WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS.

>> ALWAYS TO THESE PEOPLE LEAVE. I'M NOT FROM NEW YORK MA'AM AND I'M FROM MARYLAND. I WILL SAY THIS ABOUT THAT. WE MAKE DECISIONS WE MAKE THEM WITH THE BEST INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. WE TOOK THE INFORMATION AND I SPOKE TO HER. SHE WAS ALSO THERE IS IN HER BACKYARD.

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I'M SURE THAT IT COME OUT AGAIN TO SAY WE HAVE SPECIAL INTERESTS.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO GO TO THE PROCESS. I APPRECIATE WORKING WITH YOU GUYS IN THE FUTURE. IT'S A PROPOSAL FOR APPROVAL FOR ASPHALT PAVING SYSTEMS

INCORPORATE IT. >> MOVED TO PROVE. >> I WILL SECOND.

>> HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND WE WILL VOTE PLEASE? >>

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. >> THIS IS A REQUEST FROM THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MILLION I AMELIA ISLAND MUSEUM. WE REDUCE THEIR FUNDING TO $5000.

THEY HAD MADE A CASE FOR RESTORING THE $10,000. IT IS FOR YOU TO REPRESENT A TRANSFER FROM THE CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT TO THE CITY COMMISSION'S COMMUNITY SERVICE ACCOUNT TO FUND THE AMELIA ISLAND MUSEUM OF HISTORY $15,000.

>> MOVED TO PROVE. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

WE PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> E. >> ITEM 7.3 IT'S AN APPROVAL

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FOR A MUST GO SPORTS LIGHTING LLC. THIS IS A REQUEST FROM THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. IT'S FOR REPLACING THE SPORTS SYSTEM AT CENTRAL PARK

ATHLETIC. >> ON THE MOVE TO DENY THIS. BEFORE I DO THAT I'M GOING TO

EXPLAIN WHY. >> THERE ARE TWO REASONS. >> NUMBER ONE I WILL POINT OUT IMPACT FEES CANNOT BE USED TO EXPAND THE PARK BUT NOT MAINTAIN THE PARK.

THIS IS MAINTAINING THE PARK NOT EXPANDING IT. THE SECOND REASON IS I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A WORTHY CAUSE OR THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE BUT I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE COMING OUT OF THE TAXES AND NOT OUT OF THE SPOT FUND. THE SECOND POINT IS THAT I WILL GO BACK TO MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. WE SPENT $400,000 OF THAT MONEY AND WERE ABOUT TO SPEND ANOTHER $425,000 WHICH WILL NOT BE USED FOR A WATERFRONT PARK.

FOR THOSE TWO REASONS I'M OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION. >> I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND FOR DENIAL. MADAM CLERK WE ARE TO CALL THE VOTE.

>>. >> OF A MOTION TO PROVE AND WEAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

>> AND I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS. I ADDRESSED THIS MANY TIMES AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT REALLY CLOSE. WE WENT FROM A VERY STRICT INTERPRETATION TO A VERY LIBERAL INTERPRETATION. THIS IS IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN SO I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. I HAVE ASKED ON MANY OCCASIONS THAT I REALLY BELIEVE WHAT WE NEED TO FIND IN WRITING IS WHAT IS AN APPROPRIATE CAPITAL

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IMPROVEMENT. FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM ARE PUSHING THE ENVELOPE BUT THERE ARE NO RULES. IF WE MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS I THINK IN REALITY THE SINUS DOWNTOWN AND WE HAVE ALLOWED IT ENHANCEMENT OR REPLACEMENT AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.

I THINK WE NEED TO DEFINE BETTER IN WRITING WHAT WE ARE DOING.

>> I WOULD LIKE YOU TO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THIS PROJECT. OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS RIGHT HERE. I THOUGHT IT WAS YOU THAT SAID IT BUT IT'S AN EXPANDED PARK BY NOT MAINTAINING. THIS IS SIMPLY MAINTAINING A STRUCTURE THAT IS ARTIE THERE.

I FIND IT TROUBLESOME. YOU SAY ONE THING BUT THEN YOU DO SOMETHING ELSE.

I'M SAYING THAT THE ATTORNEY HAS CONCURRED THAT IT'S THE SAME WAY WE DID THE SIGNS DOWNTOWN. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH HER. SHE MAKES A DECISION AND I SUPPORT IT. I'M SAYING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A WRITTEN PROCEDURE OF EXACTLY HOW WE MEET WITH WHAT IS A CAPITAL FACILITY. I HAPPEN TO LIKE WRITING.

THEY HAVE TO JUSTIFY IT BY THOSE STANDARDS. >> HAVE A STANDARD FOR WHAT IS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. IT'S VERY CLEAR AND IT'S VERY MUCH IN WRITING.

>> THIS IS THE CITY OF PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR. IT HAS A MASTER PLAN STATE AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE THE LIGHTING INSTALLATION IS INTENDED TO REPLACE LIGHTS THAT DO NOT WORK. CLEARLY THE CAPITAL PROJECT. YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU'RE VOTING FOR SOMETHING THAT CLEARLY DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA.

>> AND VOTING FOR THIS IS AN EXPANSION. >> HAD A PROBLEM WITH A BASE

ON OUR HOUSE PRACTICES. >> WE NEED THEM BECAUSE. >> ARE PRETTY MUCH OBSOLETE.

BEING HAS BEEN WITH THE NEW LED LIGHTING WILL BE MORE ENERGY-EFFICIENT AND ALSO THE CANDLELIGHT THAT THE UPRIGHT WILL BE REDUCED AND THE SURROUNDING EVENTS.

HE'S PROVIDING THE REQUIRED CANDLELIGHT FOR THE LEAGUE AND THEY HAVE SPECIFICS RIGHT NOW

BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 30 LIGHTS THERE. >> IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE NOT

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ALLOWED TO USE IT. >> THEY ARE USING THEM BUT IT'S A PROBLEM AND I WOULD SAY

THEY ARE IN VIOLATION. >> HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND I SEE NO LIGHTS.

>> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN. >> IT WILL BE BETTER LIGHTING ACTUALLY.

>> WILL BE MUCH BETTER LIGHTING. YOU'LL HAVE MORE SAFETY WHEN IT

COMES TO THE BALL COMING AT YOU. >> SO I SAY YES FOR THE KIDS.

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>> IS THE CODE AMENDMENT. >> ORDINANCE 2019 ã25. THE CITY COMMISSION OF HUNTINGTON BEACH FLORIDA AMENDING CHAPTER 26 BUSINESSES ARTICLE FOR OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCE BY SECTION 26 ã91 TO INCLUDE DEFINITIONS BY AMENDING 26 ã92 REQUIRING LOCAL BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS BY ADDING A SECTION NUMBER 26 ã93. IT'S A NOTICE REGULATING SOLICITING AND PEDDLING BY ADDING SECTION NUMBER 26 ã94. IT'S UNINVITED SOLICITING PROHIBITED. AT THE TIME LIMIT ON SOLICITING BY ADDING THE AGE LIMITATION AND SECTION 26 ã98 FOR RESTRICTIONS ON METHODS AND SOLICITATION.

THEY ASKED US CONSIDER THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT MAKING CHANGES.

>> WE HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN ASKING TO SOLICIT FOR DOOR-TO-DOOR.

IT'S NOT JUST ONE TIME FOR THE GIRL SCOUTS OR BOY SCOUTS. IT THEY ARE NOT ACCOMPANIED BY ANY ADULTS AND THERE'VE BEEN COMPLAINTS TO THE POLICE. THESE DO EXIST.

WE DO NOT MAKE THIS UP. THEY EXIST IN OTHER CITIES AND SO OUR POLICE WOULD LIKE US TO

CONSIDER APPROVING THIS. >> TELL MARY TO TALK ABOUT KIDS WITHOUT AN ADULT.

WOULD IT BE GIRL SCOUTS SELLING GIRL SCOUT COOKIES?> THEY DO AND THEY GO DOOR-TO-DOOR.

>> UNDER THIS THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THAT. IF THEY ARE GOING DOOR-TO-DOOR

THE ADULTS NEED TO BE HERE. >> THIS IS AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE PRIOR TO THIS THEY CAN GO DOOR-TO-DOOR WITHOUT AN ADULT. WE PASSED THIS AND GIRL SCOUTS

WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN ADULTS TO SELL THEIR COOKIES. >> A MOTION TO SECOND MODEL

CLERK. >> ONTO SECTION 9 ITEM 1.9. THIS IS CODE AMENDMENT RIGHT OF

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WAY STANDARDS. >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO PULL THIS FROM THE

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AGENDA. >> THAT IS THE LAST ITEM WHICH WILL BE VOTED ON.

AND THEN YOU GO AHEAD AND PASS THE L. I'M BARELY HANGING ON HERE AND I'M REALLY SICK. I DIDN'T WANT TO MISS ANY OF THE E VOTES.

VICE MAYOR OUT IF I CAN PASS THE GAVEL TO YOU. ARE YOU OKAY WITH YOUR MARINE

CORPS FLAG? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MISTER PETE STEPHENSON HAS BEEN NOMINATED BY MISTER

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CHAPMAN PREMISES IN RESPONSE TO THE RESIGNATION. OUR CODE REQUIRES EACH COMMISSIONER NOMINATES THE ENTIRE COMMISSION FOR THE REVIEW.

>> MISTER SANCHEZ RESIGNED AND WE HAVE A NEW NOMINATING PUBLIC SPEAKER.

WE HAD ELLEN MILLS. >> I CAN'T READ THIS. >> WHERE THESE GUYS FROM?

>> AS I WAS SAYING MISTER PETE STEPHENSON HAS BEEN NOMINATED MISTER CHAPMAN.

>> I'LL MOVE TO PROVE. >> ONLY TO THESE. >> I WILL CHECK IN IT.

>> I WILL APPROVE THIS BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE I WANT TO THINK MISTER SANTRY, NOT MISTER SANCHEZ FOR HIS SERVICE. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT HIS

RESIGNATION WAS BROUGHT ON. >> NO OTHER COMMENTS. >> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

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NOW WE'RE AT 11.1 CONSERVATION IN PLACE. >> IN THE SPIRIT OF SAVING TIME BECAUSE WE ARE APPROACHING 11:00 WE HAD TALKED AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT MULTIPLE REFERENDUM ITEMS. THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE COUNTY AND US.

I JUST LIKE TO PLANT THE SEED. WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY MANAGERS.

I WANT TO PLANT THAT SEED ENERGY TO THINK ABOUT IT TO BRING UP IN A FUTURE MEETING.

>> THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE IN THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO JOIN THE COUNTY WITH A SET PERCENTAGE.

I TALKED TO THE PERSON IS PUTTING ON THE COUNTY BALLOT. IT'S A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE

IN THE $30 MILLION AND THAT WOULD REDUCE IT TO TO VALID. >> THEY WOULD HAVE A BOND AND

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IT WOULD BE COUNTYWIDE. >> IS AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY GET A PERCENTAGE AND I SET IN STONE. WE DO NEED TO DECIDE AT SOME POINT.

I THINK WE HAVE COMMITTED TO A REFERENDUM ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. THEY ARE ABLATED TO DO THAT.

I WOULD PREFER REFERENDUM ALONE. I DON'T THINK A MALE OR SPECIAL ELECTION AND I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. I THINK THIS IS AN ELECTION THAT WAS ONE. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO VOTE ON.

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ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT? >> WE ARE GOOD. >> THE NEXT ITEM IS A

WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT. >> I HAVE THREE ITEMS. >> MY ITEM IS WATERFRONT PARKING. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.

I THINK THAT SEGUES DIRECTLY INTO THE COMMENTS. >> MISTER MILLS EUROPE.

>> IT'S TWO HOURS PAST MY BEDTIME. >> ELLEN MILLS WITH 1425 BLOOM OOM STREET. WE'VE INVESTED OVER $8 MILLION IN THE CITY MARINA TO RECONFIGURE THE DOCS TO FLOW OF THE CURRENTS TO MAKE THEM A BETTER PLACE.

THERE IS OVER 100 SLIPS FOR THE NEW MARINA. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF ADDING 300 MORE FEET TO THE NORTH END OF THE MARINA WHICH COMES TO MORE THAN 1500 MORE FEET. THERE'S A TOTAL OF 140 SLIPS FOR THE MARINA.

THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THE SIX MAIN DOCS IS FROM PARKING LOT A AND B. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING AWAY 32 OF 52 PARKING SPOT OVER TWO THIRDS PARKING WITH A, PARKING LOT B YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING 28 OF 44. AGAIN THAT'S OVER HALF OF THE PARKING FOR A TOTAL OF 60 PARKING SPOTS BETWEEN PARKING LOT ANB. THERE IS NO SIGN AND THERE NEVER HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO WELCOME THE MARINA. WE HAVE ONE FOR THE CITY, GOLF COURSE AND AIRPORT. THERE IS NO SIGN SAYING WELCOME TO THE MARINA.

WELCOME TO THE HARBOR RIVER PARK AND PARKING LOT C&D. IT HAS OVER 580 FEET OF A WALK TO THE FIRST ONSET IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA AND IT HAS THE BEST OVERLOOK VIEW OF THE NEW MARINA. LET'S TALK ABOUT BENCHES. THERE'S 15 AND PARKING LOT AT A AND 15 AND PARKING LOT B. BOTH ARE ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER. THERE ARE FOUR AND ONE FACE OF THE RIVER IN MEMORY OF BENCHES AND PARKING LOT C&D WITH OVER 580 FEET TO WORK WITH PLENTY OF ROOM. THIS AREA NEEDS TO BE MANICURED, REFRESHED WITH NEW LANDSCAPING AND MEETING ADDING ARMOR. NEEDS TO BE MARKED AS WELL.

WE NOW HAVE POTHOLES AND MUD PUDDLES THERE. NEW SIGNS ARE SHOWING PUBLIC RIVERFRONT PARK WHICH IS THE BEST VIEW IN THE FIRST ONSET OF FLORIDA.

THE PARK IS DOWNTOWN NOT EVEN ON THE MAP ANYWHERE. THE RIVERPARK AND IT'S NOT ON THERE. YET WE NEED ANOTHER ONE. THE DESIGN YOU HAVE HAS THE OLD MARINA AND IT'S NOT DESIGNED WITH THE MARINA AND THE SIX DOCS ENTERING FROM PARKING LOT ANB. TIMES HAVE CHANGED SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT THE MARINA PARK MANY DECADES AGO. WITH THE NEW DENSITY LOT AND THE BUILDING THAT WENT INTO EFFECT TWO YEARS AGO IN THE CITY THE DOWNTOWN AREA IS BEING BUILT UP THE MOST.

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PARKING IT IS GETTING HARDER IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND WE NEED MORE PARKING TO GROW RAPIDLY WITH THE NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ON SOUTH AND THIRD ROOFTOP THERE'S NEW RESTAURANTS, HOMES AND HOTELS WITH 400 ROOMS. ELSE COULD BELITTLE THAT AND GOING BACK TO THE BOTTOM LINE. THE TDC STATED NOVEMBER 12 THAT THE NUMBER ONE ATTRACTION FOR

FERNANDINA AND AMELIA ISLAND IS THE BEACHES. >>.

>> I'M JOE BLANCHARD AND I LIVE IN THE CITY. I'M A MEMBER OF THE BOARD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE ADVISORY BOARDS BEING IGNORED.

I KNOW THE ING. THE DISCUSSION I'VE HEARD REPEATEDLY IS ABOUT ST. MARY'S AND THE NINICE PARKS THEY HAVE. I'LL BE PATROL TOMORROW NIGHT. I SEE THE PARK MANY TIMES.

IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES. IT'S THE SAME AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE ROADWAY ALONG THE WATERFRONT. IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A RAILROAD OR MARINA WE COULD GO TO SECOND STREET IF WE WANTED TO. THE TIMES THAT WE WERE ON THE BOARD WHERE TOLD ME GENERAL FUNDS. WE NEED TO COME UP WITH WAYS TO MAKE MONEY FOR THE MARINA SOUL PAY FOR ITSELF. IN THE SAME SENTENCE WE HEAR YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU GUYS DON'T GIVE US THE ABILITY TO DO IT. WE CAN THINK ABOUT UNTIL THE TELLS THE GOOD IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A WAY TO MAKE MONEY IT CAN CONTINUE TO BE AT DEFICIT

TO TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY. THANK YOU. >> WE THINK ABOUT THE PARKING THAT'S LIMITED DOWNTOWN FOR MERCHANTS IN RESTAURANTS JUST TO GET TO THE DOCS TO SEE THE BEAUTIFUL SUNSETS AND WALK ALONG THE BOARDWALK'S TO ENJOY SEEING GOD'S CREATION.

I WOULD SAY THAT THE PROPOSAL OR IDEA TO PUT IT DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH IS SUCH A BETTER IDEA. PARKING IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE. PARKING IS A HUGE CONCERN AND FOR HANDICAP WHICH MY MOTHER IS, WE CAN NEVER FIND ANY PARKING DOWN THERE.

I HAVE TO PARK BLOCKS AND BLOCKS AWAY TO LET HER OUT AND GO PARKING COME BACK.

I SEE THE VOTERS AND TAXPAYERS WANT TO BE HEARD NOT HUMID. WE DEFINITELY HAVE A HEARING PROBLEM HERE. WE THE VOTERS AND TAXPAYERS HAVE A RIGHT TO VOICE OUR OPINION IS THAT AS WE CAN BECAUSE YOU STILL DON'T SEEM TO HEAR OR CARE WHAT THE VOTERS WANT. SITTING IN A POSITIVE WAY WITH THE TOURISM.

IT'S INTERESTED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT WITH NO REGARD FOR PEOPLE THAT ACCESS DOWNTOWN RESTAURANTS AND THE WATERFRONT AREA. IT IS A VERY LATE-NIGHT I GAVE

IT MY BEST SHOT. >> KEVIN MCCARTHY, 2220 FLORIDA AVENUE.

I'M ALSO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE MARINE ADVISORY BOARD. ALAN AND MICKEY DID A VERY GOOD JOB EXPLAINING WHAT WE ARE UP AGAINST. EVENT TO BE REALLY SIMPLE THE

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HARBOR MARINA IN THE SPRING OF 2020 WILL BE BUSIER NOW THAN IT HAS BEEN IN SEVERAL DECADES.

THERE'S 100 OF USABLE SLIPS AND THE MARINA HOPEFULLY WILL BE FULL WHICH WILL HELP TO OFFSET THE DEBT. THERE ARE 30 BUSINESSES ONLY BACK INTO THE RING MARINA WHEN IT'S OPEN. THOSE BUSINESSES REQUIRE SERVICES, EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES. THEY REQUIRE MECHANICS, SCUBA DIVERS YOU NAME IT.

WITHOUT MUCH ACTIVITY THEY LIMIT ANY PARKING AND PARKING LOTS ANB WHICH WOULD BE STRICT ACCESS TO THE MARINA. YOU'VE GOT UP ON RATES. MY RATES ARE NOW 40% HIGHER THAN THEY WERE. WE CAN BE ASKING THOSE HIGHER RATES FOR MANY OF THE FOLKS THAT OWN. IF YOU WANT TO GET THOSE KIND OF RATES YOU NEED TO MAKE THE MARINA ACCESSIBLE. IF THEY CAN FIND A MARINA THAT'S MORE ACCESSIBLE TO PUT THEIR VOTE THERE. THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE UP AGAINST.

I'M NOT AGAINST THE PARKS. I RAISED FIVE CHILDREN AND I HAVE SEVEN GRANDCHILDREN.

NEEDLESS TO SAY IS THAT MORE TIME IN THOSE PARKS THAN MOST PEOPLE.

THE SELF PARKING LOT DNC WOULD BE IDEAL. IT'S ALMOST 5 ACRES.

IT'S PRETTY MUCH OPEN SPACE AT THE MOMENT STILL WITH SPECTACULAR VIEWS IS ON MENTION. WE DID HAVE A BAND STAND OR STAGE.

IF YOU HAVE THE TYPE OF THE FACILITY RESTROOMS TO BE REQUIRED.

IT'S A REAL HONEST PARK. FOR TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY IT COULD BE THAT SPOT.

COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHEN THEY WERE HERE THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE NOT PARK THROUGHOUT THE WEEKEND. THE BIG ISSUE IS TRAFFIC FLOW. IT WAS NOT INTERRUPTED.

THE ENTIRE WEEKEND. MOST PEOPLE WERE WONDERING DOWNTOWN AND HAD NO IDEA THAT THERE WAS A TOURNAMENT GOING ON A BLOCK AWAY. IT DID NOT IMPACT THE WATERFRONT. WHENEVER THERE'S AN EVENT ON THE WATERFRONT IMPACTS THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC IF WE COULD SHIFT THAT IT WOULD IMPROVE THE FLOW ALSO ALONG WITH THE PARKING.

I THINK WE SHOULD MAYBE WAIT UNTIL WE SEE WHAT THE MARINA LOOKS LIKE WHEN IT'S COMPLETED AND OPERATING. WE CAN THEN DECIDE IF THERE IS A NEED.

>> CAN I MAKE ONE MORE,? >> WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME.THE QUESTION I'VE BEEN GETTING LATELY WHY IS THAT COMMITTEE SO ADAMANT ABOUT BUILDING A PARK ON THE IMMEDIATE WATERFRONT? THE PUZZLING QUESTION FOR ME THAT I REALIZED THAT THERE WAS A SURVEY THAT WAS WAS DONE.

ACCORDING TO THE SURVEY THAT WAS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE. THIS IS A SURVEY.

IS THIS REALLY THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE? I DON'T KNOW THAT MANY PEOPLE SIGNED UP SURVEY. IF THEY DID WHAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED? THE QUESTION SHOULD HAVE BEEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE A PARK ON THE WATERFRONT IN FRONT OF ANB? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE A MARINA?

I CAN TELL YOU NOT ABLE TO HAVE BOTH TO BE SUCCESSFUL. >> AND RESPOND óTO PUSH YOU

OUT. >> WHAT IS AN EX-MARINE ADVISOR?

>> HEAVY LETTER ON YOUR SCHEDULE? >> IT'S ON MONDAY.

>> WILL YOU PLEASE PUT ME ON THE AGENDA? I HEAR THE WATERFRONT.

WHEN I CAME TO THE ISLAND THE MARINA WAS NOT FULLY OPERATIONAL.

I LIKES AND SOME OF THE CAPTAINS ARE HERE YOUR DEFINITION OF THE WORKING WATERFRONT. I'M NOT ASKING THE NAME BUT I LIKE TO KNOW THOSE BUSINESSES

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ARE IN WITH THE ELEMENTS OF WORKING WATERFRONT ARE IN YOUR MIND SO THAT I CAN SUPPORT

THAT. PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR AGENDA. >> CAN WORK,?

>> YOU'RE DONE. DON'T BE GREEDY. >> WE KNOW THAT THE MARINE IS A STANDALONE ENTERPRISE THAT HAS BEEN STRUGGLING FOR R YEARS.

BY RESTRICTING PARKING IN ANY WAY PUSHING IT DOWN THTO CMD. KNOW ONE KNOWS WHAT A WORKING MARINA IS BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT HAD ONE FOR THREE YEARS AND BEFORE THAT THE SLIPS WERE PUT IN FOR A YEAR. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY AND THIS IS CONTRACTUAL.

IT'S A CONVERSATION ABOUT HAVING A PARK THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR 40 YEARS AND IS BECAUSE MAYBE IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. IT SUPPOSED TO BE A WORKING WATERFRONT. IF THE THING DOESN'T HAPPEN DECADE AFTER DECADE IS A GOOD REASON FOR IT. NOT JUST MONEY AND NOT JUST THE WILL OF PEOPLE MOVING FORWARD.

IT'S ABOUT TO BE A WORKING WATERFRONT. ONE QUICK THING ABOUT ADDING PROFIT TO THE ENTERPRISE AND FROM THE SEAWALL IN WORD IS THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S ACCURATE INFORMATION OR NOT BUT THE PROPERTIES OF THE CITY JUST BOUGHT WITH THE ACQUIRED OF THE SECOND WANT TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT LOS ANGELES IS NOW INVESTING $251 MILLION INTO. IT'S BASICALLY A FISH MARKET WHERE YOU CAN PICK UP FRESH FISH OFF THE BOATS AND THEY COOK THEM RIGHT THERE. THAT GENERATES A LOT OF MONEY IN THAT PLACE IS ALWAYS BUSY. IT BRINGS IN SO MUCH REVENUE THAT THEY SHUT IT DOWN FOR A YEAR AND THEY SPENT $250 MILLION REVAMPING THE WHOLE THING.

IT SHOULD BE OPEN SPRING OF NEXT YEAR. WE COULD DO THAT HERE.

I TOOK THE COMMERCIAL FISHERMAN AND THEY HAVE A CO-OP TO BRING IN THEIR CATCH RIGHT THERE SO THEY CAN SELL RETAIL AND WHOLESALE. THAT'S ADDRESSING YOU BUT THEN AGAIN YOU HAVE TO DECIDE IF THAT'S PART OF THE ENTERPRISE ZONE.

THAT'S A PARTNERSHIP THAT COULD WORK REALLY WELL TO BRING IN SO MUCH REVENUE.

JUST CONSIDER IT PLEASE. >> NATHAN PARSONS. >> I JUST NEED TO MAKE ONE

STATEMENT. >> I AM AN INSPECTOR FOR THE COAST GUARD.

I'M AN INSPECTOR FOR THE COAST GUARD. IT'S A CHARTER FISHING BOAT THAT CANNOT SELL ONE FISH. THE MINUTE HE DOES HE'S A COMMERCIAL FISHER WHICH IS A

TOTALLY DIFFERENT FISHER. >> YOU JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> MY NAME IS NATE PARSONS I OWN PROPERTY AT 2156 WHITE SANDS WAY WITH MY WIFE.

I'M A RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY. MY WIFE AND I HAVE A BUSINESS. WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE SAILBOAT AND WE CAN'T WAIT FOR YOU IS TO OPEN THE MARINA. YOU'RE GETTING ONLINE TO COME HERE IN DECEMBER IMAGES HAS NOT HAPPENED. WOULD LIKE TO BRING ANOTHER VOTE HERE. LET ME JUST TELL YOU YOU CAN HAVE A MARINA WITHOUT PARKING.

YOU NEED ADEQUATE PARKING VERY CLOSE TO YOUR FACILITIES.E CARRY TONS OF ICE AND FOOD.

THE GO TO ANNAPOLIS AND THEY HAVE A HUGE PARKING FACILITY. IT'S WITHIN A BLOCK OF THEIR DOCKS. THEY LITERALLY PICKED UP THEIR CITY HALL AND MOVED IT OUT OF TOWN SO THEY CAN CREATE A PARKING GARAGE. THAT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE REALLY CONSIDERED HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REACHING THE END OF GROWTH OR NOT ANY REACH THE END OF TOURISM. YOU HAVE MARINAS COMING UP EVERYWHERE.

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YOU TO BE THREE DOLLARS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE BASIN AND YOU'RE GONNA BE FOUR DOLLARS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN TIGER POINT. AT $19 YOU CAN DO THE MATH ON THAT. IT CAN BE EXPENSIVE TO USE THAT FACILITY.

DOCTORS THERE ARE GOING TO EXPECT THE QUALITY OPERATION. I ALSO WORK WITH KEVIN MCCARTHY AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT WE BRING ON THAT ARE DISABLED OUR MOBILITY IN. AND THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO PARK CLOSE.

MISTER MARTIN HAD TO DELIVER SOMETHING IN AUGUST. YOU GUYS MANDATED HIM TO DO IT AND SO HE DID. THERE'S TIME TO COME UP WITH OPTIONS.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I HAVE THREE QUICK THINGS.

AN WE PUT THE SLIDES UP? TIME TO OPEN THE BOAT RAMP. IF YOU GO DOWN YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURES AND THOSE OF THE THINGS WERE TALKING ABOUT. THEY OPENED UP THE BOAT RAMPS SO WE CAN GET THE FLOW GOING AGAIN WITH THE BOATS IN THERE. IF WE DON'T HAVE AN OPEN BY DECEMBER 1 THE CITY MANAGER AT

THE NEXT MEETING CAN TELL US. >> A PROJECT MANAGER DOES NOT RECOMMEND THAT IT'S OPEN YET.

>> SO WHEN HE DOES THOUGH I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD OPEN IT.

>> THE SECOND ONE IS PUD. >> IS JUST ONE PICTURE. >> THIS IS JUST A FOR THE

EMAILS. >> I'M GOING TO CUT TO THE CHASE.

THERE'S A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY ON THE MARINA.

AT THE PLAN THAT WE NEED TO DEVELOP. THAT IS WITH THE MARINA SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. THAT'S THE PLAN THAT'S THERE. IT'S UNDER THE PLANNED UNIT

DEVELOPMENT. >> WE NEED TO UNPADDED. THAT'S WITH LEGALLY NOW.

FINALLY THE LAST ONE IS MY FAVORITE. >> WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THE SHORELINE CLEAN? I WALKED UP AND DOWN NOT TO SEE THOSE PIPES AND STUFFING THERE.

THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. SOMEBODY SAID $7 MILLION. PLUS $8.5 MILLION.

THAT'S HOW MUCH IT WAS TO DO THIS MARINA. WE SPENT THIS MONEY AND HE WAS GONNA PAY FOR SOME OF THAT. WHEN YOU COME AND YOU SEE THIS HERE.

I WOULD LIKE LIVER SUPPOSED TO TAKE CARE OF THIS TO GET THIS CLEANED UP.

WE A PRISTINE WATERFRONT. >> MY ONLY COMMENT ABOUT THE BOAT RAMP IS I KNOW WHAT THE ADVISORY BOARD AND SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS. HE WENT FROM 100 HP TO 304.

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SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BE BACKING A $300,000 BOAT DOWN THE RAMP AND IT'S A BREAK IN HALF.

IT CAN BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY. EFORE WE OPEN IT I WOULD HOPE FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT

THAT IT COULD SUPPORT HIS WEIGHT. >> THANK YOU VICE MAYOR.

>> I THINK MISTER ROSS, THIS COMES IN WITH YOUR PRESENTATION.

MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE MARINA ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS THE MARINA AS THE WATER IN THE CITY IS THE LAND. THAT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE.

IT IS THE MARINA'S RESPONSIBILITY. EXCEPTIONAL TYPE.

>> WHAT CONSTITUTES THE RIVER? MEDITATOR HIGH-TECH? >> HIGH TIDE OR HIGH WATER.

>> THAT IT'S GOING TO THINK YOU. >> THAT AREA HAS BEEN DEAD FOR YEARS. IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU CAN GET A BUNCH OF VOLUNTEERS TO JUMP DOWN AND IT COULD BE EXPENSIVE. IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DONE BUT THE CITY MANAGERS SAY IT'S UP TO HIM TO FIGURE IT OUT.

ME TO PUTBASICALLY ACCORDING TO LAWYERS WE MAKE A CASE THAT IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE HAVE DECENT PROPERTY. WITHOUT IT BEING PART OF THE DOCKET BECOMES NONCRITICAL.

IT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT AND PURSUE A LITTLE MORE NOT TONIGHT.

AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT CLOSER YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN.

I THINK WE WAIT UNTIL THE PASTOR COMES BACK TO I LITERALLY LEFT WITH YOU THIS MORNING GOT HOME AT 5:00 CHANGED WHAT BELLA LEFT WITH CHRISSY AT HOME AT NINE AND THEY CALLED ME AT 930 I WENT TO WASH THE DISHES I WANT TO IRON TWO PAIRS OF PANTS FOR THIS WEEK LIKE I THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION. ARE YOU OKAY WITH DOING THAT?

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>> YOU CAN DRAFT UP THE RESOLUTION. >> I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THESE

THINGS DO. >> AND HUNGER ACTUALLY. >> I'M HUNGRY TO.

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>> NOW EUROPE TO THE CITY MANAGERS REPORT. >> ONLY THING I HAVE TO REPORT AS THE ACTIVITIES DOWNTOWN NEXT WEEK. IT'S THANKSGIVING WITH THE TREE LIGHTING, PAJAMA PARTY THROUGHOUT THE WEEKEND AND A CONCERT ON SATURDAY NIGHT.

HOPEFULLY WE WILL SEE YOU DOWNTOWN NEXT WEEKEND. >> IS REGARDING THE HIGHLY

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PORT AUTHORITY AND THE PILOT PAYMENT ISSUED. AS WELL AS A LITTLE BIT OF THE

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WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS FUNDED. THE MANAGER AND I MET WITH JACOB AND THEIR ATTORNEY. THEY HAVE A PORT AUTHORITY AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUES.

WE ASK THAT THE PORT AUTHORITY SEND US A LETTER OR SUGGESTED THAT THEY SEND THIS LETTER FORMALLY SAYING WHAT THEIR POSITION IS. THEY DID THAT I SENT IT TO YOU TO MEXICO. NOW IT WILL BE OUR TURN TO SEND A LETTER.

PAY THIS THIS YEAR NOT EXTRA. HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET A RESOLUTION THERE AND IF NOT WE

HAVE TO HAVE A JUDGE DECIDE. >> WE CAN DO THE RESOLUTION BUT THERE ARE SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PURSUE THAT I THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK AT.

>> I'M HESITANT TO ASK WHAT THOSE ARE. >> THESE WERE RAISED.> SOME OF IT IS BECAUSE THIS IS IMMINENT LITIGATION. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A MINUTE TONIGHT. IT SEEMS SO. SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS AND I CAN TALK WITH THE INDIVIDUALS. I THINK FROM WHAT I'M HEARING I HAVE NOT ATTENDED THE MEETINGS BUT SOME OF YOU HAVE. THEY HAVE AN ENGINEER COME AND TALK WITH THE PLANNING STAFF AND SOME OF THE MESSAGE THAT COME IN TO JUST BE BETTER TO

HAVE. >> WE GOT A REFUND FOR THE 2017 AND 2018 TAXES.

THAT WAS GOOD. THERE'S NO TAXES ON AIRPORT HANGERS.

>> THAT'S GOOD. >> CITY CLERK? >> KNOW REPORTS ARE.

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>. >> I LIKE TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO THE MEMBERS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT RECEIVED AWARDSAT THE ANQUET. IT WAS A VERY NICE AFFAIR.

MAYOR MILLER AND I MARCHED IN THE VETERAN'S DAY ADE. IT WAS GREAT TO SEE THE EE THE TURNOUT. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT SATURDAY THE MINISTRY PROGRAM AT THE COURTHOUSE WAS AWESOME. THE ATTENDANCE WAS REALLY GREAT.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO TOUR THE COURTHOUSE PLEASE DO IT.

IT'S INCREDIBLE. CONGRATULATIONS TO MAINSTREET FOR PUTTING ON A WONDERFUL

PROGRAM. >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE COUNTY STAFF THAT PREPARED THE NORTH SIDE OF THE WALKWAY THERE. IT SUBSTANTIAL TO THE CITY.

THE BID ON THAT WAS LIKE $20,000. >> FOR ME I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE A.AN ASSET. IT'S POWERFUL AND WE RECEIVE

THAT WORD. >> FOR THE MAYOR IT'S A TRANSGENDER DAY OF REMEMBERING

WHICH WILL BE AT THE MACEDONIAN CHURCH ON NINTH STREET. >> AT WHAT TIME?

>> IT WILL BE FROM 18 TO

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