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>> ALL RIGHT. CALL TO ORDER THE MONTHLY MEETING FOR THE FERNANDINA BEACH

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AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION. ROLL CALL? >> CHUCK COLCORD.

>> HERE. >> DON EDIN? >> HERE.

>> KENT MCKEE? >> HERE. >> GOING TO THE AGENDA FOR THIS MONTH, NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION. HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO

LOOK AT THE MINUTES THAT WERE SENT OUT? >> YES.

>> ANY COMMENTS, EDITS? >> LOOKS GOOD. >> ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE

THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN? >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> I SECOND.

>> ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE. >> MINUTES ARE APPROVED FROM THE

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OCTOBER MEETING. DO YOU WANT TO TALK TO NUMBER 4? >> YOU BET.

NUMBER 4 PUBLIC COMMENT. THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING. WE HAVE SOME OLD BUSINESS ITEMS. I IMAGINE MOST FOLKS ARE HERE FOR A PRESENTATION UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

WHAT WE'LL DO HERE, WITHIN PUBLIC COMMENT, IF YOU ENCOUNTEDER SOMETHING NOT ON THE AGENDA, THIS WILL BE THE TIME FOR THAT COMMENT. WE WILL GIVE A CHANCE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER THE PRESENTATION FROM THE FOLKS WITH THE FLIGHT ACADEMY.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, FILL OUT A FORM. WE'LL ALLOW THESE FOLKS TO GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION. AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION WILL ASK A FEW QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL GO FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THEN BACK FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE COMMENT. FORMS ARE UP HERE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO FILL ONE OUT.

THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THINGS NOT ON THE AGENDA. >> ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING FROM THE AIRPORT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S GO TO NUMBER FIVE, OLD BUSINESS. GPS NAV.

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>> NOTHING NEW. STILL PLANNED FOR SEPTEMBER 5TH. >> GREAT.

>> ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG AIRPORT FINANCIALS.

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I KNOW WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING OF A NEW FISCAL YEAR. >> NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY.

I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON JUST THE CASH BALANCE PIECE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GOT EVERYTHING CLOSED OUT. JUST WANT TO GIVE A GOOD ANSWER TO YOU AND NOT HAVE SOME THINGS

STILL IN FLUX. >> LOOKS LIKE IT WILL BE POSITIVE.

>> YEAH. WHAT WE LOOKED AT LAST YEAR WAS CONSERVATIVE.

WE'LL BE IN A BETTER POSITION THAN THAT. >> GOOD.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEW BUSINESS.

MOVING RAPIDLY TO NUMBER 6. >> THE FIRST ITEM, SO WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO REACHED THE

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END OF THEIR TERM. KENT MCKEE AND CHUCK COLCORD. THEY HAVE AN INTEREST OF APPLYING FOR ANOTHER TERM. IT'S BEEN STANDARD PRACTICE WITHIN THE CITY TO DO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE WOULD LIKE A RECOMMENDATION TO GO WITH THAT REAPPOINTMENT.

THIS IS ASKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO REAPPOINT CHUCK AND KENT FOR ANOTHER TERM

ON THE A. C. >> I SECOND.

ARE YOU SURE?

THE ISLAND OR ANYTHING? >> ALL RIGHT. THANKS.

>> I GUESS WHAT EVERYBODY'S HERE FOR, DO YOU WANT TO DO THE INTRODUCTIONS.

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YOU MENTIONED THE FORMAT. WE'RE GOING TO LET THE AGILE DEFENSE DO THEIR PRESENTATION.

WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE AAC AND IF YOU HAVE ANY INPUT FROM AIRPORT MANAGEMENT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. WE'LL LET ANY PUBLIC COMMENT TAKE PLACE AND LET THE AC DELIBERATE AFTER WARD. WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK, THIS IS A VERY PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION.

AGILE DEFENSE MET WITH DALE MARTIN AND I A FEW WEEKS AGO. THEY EXPRESSED INTEREST IN THE AIRPORT AND A FLIGHT TRAINING PROGRAM HERE. SO, WE'RE STILL GETTING INFORMATION FROM THEM ON THEIR INTEREST, OR WHAT COULD BE A PROPOSAL.

I IMAGINE THERE WILL BE GOOD QUESTIONS FROM THE AC. WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK, AS WE CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION OR AS AGILE DEFENSE CONSIDERS ITS INTEREST IN THE AIRPORT, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE AND WHAT CONCERNS DOES THE PUBLIC OR YOU HAVE THAT WE NEED TO ANSWER OR DIG DEEPER INTO AS THEY CONTINUE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE ON THE FRONT END.

THIS ISN'T A PROPOSAL. WE'RE NOT TAKING A RECOMMENDATION.

NOTHING GOING TO THE CITY COMMISSION AT THIS POINT. IT'S A PRELIMINARY CONVERSATION. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE TEAM THAT ARE HERE TO PROVIDE

THE PRESENTATION. >> THANKS, NATE. THANKS TO THE COMMISSION.

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I'D LIKE TO START OFF BY SAYING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE ALL HERE TO SEE WHAT NATE TELLS ME. WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, FIRST OFF A LITTLE ABOUT MYSELF.

I'M ONE OF YOU. I HAVE LIVED IN FERNANDINA BEACH FOR 13 1/2 YEARS, UP UNTIL FIVE MONTHS AGO I WAS CAPTAIN AT UNITED AIRLINES. I RAN THE FLIGHT STANDARDS DIVISION AT UNITED AIRLINES FOR THE 767 FLEET. I DID THAT FOR FOUR YEARS.

WORKED AT UNITED 28. BEFORE THAT I WAS AN AIR FORCE PILOT, FINISHED OUT IN THE RESERVES. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT A POPOSAL NOT JUST FOR US AND THE COMMISSION, BUT REALLY FOR YOU, MY NEIGHBORS. BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK IS PRETTY COMPELLING. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF ANGST OR CONCERN ABOUT NOISE, NUMBERS OF FLIGHTS. WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THOSE. BECAUSE BELIEVE ME, NO ONE LIKES NOISE. NO ONE LIKES ANY ADDITIONS OR JEOPARDIZING SAFETY.

SO WITHOUT THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO.

WITH ME IS OUR COO OF AGILE DEFENSE AND ALSO WITH US, JIM WILLIAMS, WHO ALSO WORKING WITH US ON THE PROGRAM AND MOST RECENTLY -- IN FACT, JIM, I THINK IF I RECOLLECT CORRECTLY, YOU HAVE BEEN CHECKED OUT AND QUALIFIED ON JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING BOEING HAS MADE.

COMES WITH A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO COVER. AGILE DEFENSE. DON'T LET DEFENSE SCARE YOU.

WE'RE NOT BRINGING IN JET AIR PLANES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIGHT AIRPLANES. WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW WE'LL MITIGATE SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS BY ADDING NEWER TECHNOLOGY, WHICH I THINK WILL BE ROFF KEEN INTEREST.

WHY FLIGHT TRAINING? WHO ARE WE? WHAT'S OUR VISION? NOT ONLY FOR OURSELVES, BUT FOR THE CITY. OKAY.

AND WHAT THAT CAN DO FOR INCREASING SOME JOBS HERE. OBVIOUSLY ECONOMIC INPUT.

WHAT SETS US APART FROM JUST ABOUT ANY OTHER FLIGHT TRAINING ACADEMY OR CENTER IN THE ENTIRE U.S.? OKAY. OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE PLANNED REVENUE GROWTH AND TARGETS. THEN WHY FERNANDINA BEACH? OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT I LIVE HERE. WE THINK IT'S A GREAT PLACE. I THINK YOU DO, TOO.

THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ALL HERE. SO, AERO. THIS IS OUR CORPORATE MOTTO.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS AVIATION. THINK ABOUT FLYING IN AN AIRPLANE. IN AN AIRPLANE THE ENGINE IS HARD AND THE AVIONICS ARE ITS BRAINS. THEN FLYING THE AIRPLANE IS ITS SOUL.

THIS IS OUR CORPORATE MOTTO, WHAT WE DO, WHICH ENCOMPASSES A LOT MORE THAN JUST FACTS.

I WON'T GET INTO ALL WHAT AERO DOES. WE'RE INTO DRONES, SEVERAL OTHER THINGS. INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS AGILE DEFENSE. HELP ME OUT HERE NATE. HERE WE GO.

THIS IS WHAT AGILE DEFENSE IS ABOUT. WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT NUMBER THREE. WEARE A CONTRACT TRAINER. SOME OF YOU PROBABLY INVOLVED AND FOLLOW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE DOD WORLD, AIR FORCE AND NAVY IS GOING FOR CONTRACT TRAINING FOR FIGHTER TRAINING. THAT'S ONE OF OUR MAIN ATTENDANTS OF OUR CORPORATION DOES. OUR FAA CERTIFICATION. WE ARE WORKING WITH A SOUTH AFRICAN COMPANY DEVELOPING AN AIRPLANE. THEY'VE ASKED US TO HELP CERTIFY IT FOR THE FAA HERE IN THE U.S. DON'T WORRY, NONE OF THOSE FIRST TWO WILL SHOW UP HERE IN FERNANDINA BEACH. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT NUMBER THREE WHICH IS PROFESSIONAL FLIGHT TRAINING. LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH ADVERSARY AIR.

IF WE DO LAND THOSE AIRPLANES AND WE'RE CURRENTLY AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF DISCUSSION WITH THE MINISTRY OF DEFENSE OF A FOREIGN COUNTRY THAT HAS THESE AIRPLANES, WE CAN PUT THEM IN CECIL. THEY WILL NOT BE HERE IN FERNANDINA BEACH.

WITH THAT AIRPLANE, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PROVIDE THE U.S. AIRPORTS AND NAVY WITH PROBABLY THE BEST TRAINING AIRCRAFT THEY POSSIBLY HAVE. THE OTHER THING WE DO, HIT IT, NATE. FOR SOME REASON MY CLICKER IS NOT WORKING.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE SOUTH AFRICAN CORPORATION THAT'S DEVELOPING THIS. IT HAS A MILITARY APPLICATION, BUT WE TOLD THEM AND THEY KNOW IF THEY WANT TO SELL THIS AIRPLANE PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT GOLD SEAL OF APPROVAL WITH AN FAA CERTIFICATION. THEY'VE ASKED US TO DO THAT FOR THEM. AGAIN, THAT WON'T BE HERE IN FERNANDINA BEACH.

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OOPS. BACK ONE. OKAY.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. PROFESSIONAL FLIGHT TRAINING ACADEMY.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS UTILIZE THE LATEST IN TECHNOLOGY TO PROVIDE THE BEST TRAINING FOR ME CIVILIAN CROWD AROUND. THIS IS WHERE IT WILL GET RIGHT TO YOUR CONCERN ABOUT NOISE.

WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT, ELECTRIC TECHNOLOGY FROM DAY ONE.

HOW MANY OF YOU DRIVE A TESLA OR ANY ELECTRIC CAR? ANYONE? OKAY. WE'LL GET TO THAT. OKAY.

BUT FROM INITIAL STARTUP, WITHIN TEN YEARS, YOU THINK THAT'S A LONG WAYS AWAY.

IT'S NOT. FIRST TESLA MODEL S HAS ONLY BEEN ON THE ROAD FOR SEVEN YEARS. THAT TECHNOLOGY'S GROWING AND ADVANCING LEAPS AND BOUNDS.

NOT JUST TRAINING PILOTS BUT PRODUCING THE BEST PREPARED AVIATION PROFESSIONALS ANYWHERE ASIDE FROM THE U.S. AIR FORCE AND NAVY. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS QUOTE.

DIDN'T COME FROM ME. CAME FROM THE LARGEST MANUFACTURE OF SIMULATORS IN THE WORLD. THIS IS FROM THEIR PROJECTION LOOKING OUT THROUGH 2027, 37, EXCUSE ME. 27. IN TEN YEARS, 50% OF PEOPLE WILL BE FLYING IN EUROPE, AIRCRAFT HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED TRAINING. WHY FLIGHT TRAINING? WELL, THIS GETS TO THE BUSINESS MODEL, THE NEED FOR COMMERCIAL PILOT TRAINING WORLD WIDE FOR THE NEXT 20 PLUS YEARS. RECESSION PROOF.AY IT'S - PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO STOP FLYING. BOEING AND AIR BUS AREN'T GOING TO STOP BUILDING AIRPLANES.

PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO STOP RETIRING. I'M LIVING PROOF OF THAT.

MY WIFE JUST SAID YOU JUST REQUIRED FIVE MONTHS AGO FROM UNITED.

NOW YOU'RE DOING THIS. SHE'S RIGHT. WE'RE AT THE NEXT THRESHOLD OF EVOLUTION OF AIRCRAFT. THAT'S ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT. LOT OF YOU WILL GO, WOW.

ELECTRIC AIRPLANE. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WE'LL GET INTO THAT.

HIT IT, NATE. MY CLICKER IS NOT WORKING. THIS IS WHAT BOEING EXPECTS.

OVER 800,000 PILOTS OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS WORLD WIDE. THOSE AREN'T JUST PILOTS WITH A PRIVATE PILOT'S LICENSE. THOSE ARE PILOTS WITH AN ATP RATING THAT ARE AUTHORIZED AND TRAINED TO FLY YOUR AIRCRAFT. THIS IS A PROJECTED INCREASE IN TRAFFIC EXPECTED TO DOUBLE IN SIZE IN THE AVIATION INDUSTRY NEXT 20 YEARS. SO YOU CAN SEE ALL THESE REASONS FROM A BUSINESS CASE, IT MAKES GOOD SENSE TO GET INTO IT. SO MANY LARGER PLAYERS AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE SEEING THE SAME THING. WE THINK WE CAN BUILD A BETTER MOUSE TRAP AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY TALKING TO YOU. NOT ONLY WILL IT BE A PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE FLYING, MOST CORPORATE AIRPLANES THAT YOU SEE FLYING INTO FERNANDINA BEACH AIRPORT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM, TOO, JUST MANNING AND FILLING THEIR COCKPITS BECAUSE OF THE DRAWDOWN IN THE NEED FOR COMMERCIAL PILOTS. SO IT'S GOING TO AFFECT EVERYBODY, NOT DIRECTLY, BUT INDIRECTLY. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT HERE? THAT'S AN SIEMENS ELECTRIC MOTOR. CRANKS OUT ABOUT 70 KILOWATTS.

THAT'S THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE. WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU WHY, IN TEN YEARS THE NOISE FOOTPRINT THAT WE WOULD BE MAKING IS GOING TO GO DOWN, NOT GOING TO BE GOING UP.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. ROLLS ROYCE JUST RECENTLY BOUGHT SIEMENS OF GERMANY, THEIR ELECTRIC MOTOR DIVISION. STARTING TO SEE MAYOR PLAYERS LINE UP BEHIND EMERGING AND WINNING TECHNOLOGIES THAT THEY KNOW IS THE FUTURE. BOEING STARTING TO SEE PEOPLE LAY MARKERS ON WHO THEY THINK IS GOING TO WIN. AIR BUS, BOEING, BIG MASKERS.

ELECTRICICATION WILL HAVE THE SAME IMPACT ON AVIATION AS THE JET ENGINE DID REPLACING THOSE PISTONS DECADES AGO. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH ■ TECHNOLOGY AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. NATE, PLEASE. WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A PIPISTREL ALPHA ELECTRO AIRPLANE. THERE ARE FOUR FLYING IN THE

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COUNTRY TODAY. I FLEW ONE FIVE WEEKS AGO. THEY'RE ALL OUT IN FRESNO, CALIFORNIA. NOW, YOU THINK, ALL PLUGGED IN AND IT'S -- ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING, THE FAA DID NOT SEE THIS EMERGING TECHNOLOGY COMING. SO THE REGULATIONS IN THE FAA RIGHT NOW DON'T ALLOW US TO DO ANY TRAINING FOR ANYBODY IN THE WHOLE U.S. IN ELECTRIC AIRPLANE.

FAA IS REWRITING REGULATIONS TO ADDRESS THAT. THIS AIRPLANE IS FLYING IN EUROPE AND DOWN IN AUSTRALIA. BUT THEY ARE THE FUTURE. WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE THINGS. THERE'S MORE THAN 170 DEVELOPING TECHNOLOGIES OR COMPANIES DEVELOPING ELECTRIC AIRPLANES RIGHT NOW. YOU DON'T READ ABOUT THEM BUT THEY'RE COMING. JUST FIVE WEEKS AGO I WAS IN LAS VEGAS AT THE INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION. WHERE A YEAR AGO THERE WAS NO FLOOR SPACE DEDICATED TO ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT, THIS YEAR THERE WAS OVER 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

NEXT YEAR THEY THINK IT WILL DOUBLE. THAT'S CERTIFIED AND FLYING TODAY, BUILT IN EUROPE. I WENT ON A FLIGHT WITH ANOTHER GENTLE MAN.

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT ELECTRIC AIRPLANES. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN IN A TESLA OR OTHER AUTOMOBILE, THE LACK OF NOISE IS JUST STARTLING.

WHEN YOU'RE READY TO TAXI, PUSH A THROTTLE UP, YOU DON'T HEAR ENGINE NOISE.

YOU DON'T HEAR MOTOR. WHAT YOU HEAR IS PROP NOISE. OR YOU HEAR YOUR TIRES ROLLING OVER THE TARMAC, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD FOR A TESLA. WHEN YOU GET READY TO TAKE OFF, YOU HAVE TO HOLD SHORT OF THE RUNWAY AND YOUR THROTTLE IS BACK AT IDLE, POWER'S NOT EVEN MOVING. IT'S QUIET. IN FACT, IT'S SO QUIET, I DON'T EVEN USE A HEADSET. WE'LL TALK ABOUT DECIBEL LEVELS WHICH IS NEAR AN DEAR TO YOUR HEART. AEROSPACE IS A MANUFACTURER DEVELOPING, THEY HAVE A PROTOTYPE FLYING. THEY'RE IN DENVER, COLORADO. I WENT OUT THERE AND VISITED JUST A DAY BEFORE I VISITED THE PEOPLE IN FRESNO. GREAT AIRPLANE.

AGAIN, TECHNOLOGY WISE, THEY'VE GOT AN AIRPLANE, A PROTOTYPE, THAT WILL FLY ON BATTERY POWER OVER TWO HOURS AND GO UP TO 160 KNOTS. NOW WE'RE LOOKING LIKE A CIRRUS AIR SPEED WITH OVER TWO HOURS OF FLIGHT TIME. THAT'S EMERGING TECHNOLOGY.

IT WILL BE HERE, NOT TODAY. NOT CERTIFIED YET, BUT THEY'RE COMING.

WE ALL KNOW, JUST LIKE ANYTHING, WHETHER IT'S THE PHONE YOU'RE HOLDING IN YOUR HAND OR THE COMPUTER YOU HAVE AT HOME, TECHNOLOGY'S GOING TO MOVE ON. IMPROVEMENTS WILL HAPPEN.

THE BATTERIES WILL GET LIGHTER. THEY'LL CONTAIN MORE POWER. WHAT'S THAT MEAN FOR EVERYONE HERE? LESS NOISE, IMPROVED LONGER PLANE DURATION, OKAY, AND LOWER COSTS. OF ALL THE THINGS THAT PILOTS IDENTIFY, ONE OF THE LARGEST IMPEDIMENTS TO GETTING THEIR LICENSE AND MOVING ON IS COST. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE QUICKLY WHAT PER HOUR COST TO FLY THESE AIRPLANES FROM AN ENERGY RANGE. HERE IT IS.

COST A FRACTION OF REGULAR AIRCRAFT. RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT USING CIRRUS OPERATIONS. ROUGHLY, WE'LL BE BURNING TEN GALLONS AN AIR.

FOR ANY CESSNA, THEY WILL BE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT NOW AT BENT WING, WHICH IS GREAT, WE LOVE THEM. I FLY OUT OF THERE. GOT HANGAR 51 AT THE AIRPORT MYSELF. FULL SERVICE FOR A 100 LOW LIT IS $5.49 A GALLON.

THINK ABOUT THAT. THAT'S OVER $50 IN ENERGY COST FOR EVERY HOUR I WILL BE AIR BORNE IF I HAVE A CONVENTIONALLY POWERED AIRCRAFT. CONVERSELY, FOR AN ELECTRIC AIRPLANE, THE ENERGY COST IS $4. PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCE. IT'S BETTER ECONOMICALLY.

BUT ENVIRONMENTALLY. AND TEN TIMES QUIETER THAN A HELICOPTER.

67 TKES BILLS IS NORMAL CONVERSATION BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE IN A ROOM.

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NOISE LEVEL GOES UP. SO YOU CAN EVEN COMPARE THE TWO. SO WHEN WE SAY IN TEN YEARS OR LESS OUR NOISE FOOTPRINT WILL BE LESS THAN THE DAY WE STARTED, WE'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

I SEE IT. I HAVE WITNESSED IT. IT IS THAT QUIET.

AND IT'S IDEALLY SUITED FOR INITIAL TRAINER. SO THE BULK OF TRAINING FOR ANY FLIGHT SCHOOL IS DONE IN SINGLE ENGINE AIRCRAFT AND WITHIN SEVEN TO TEN YEARS WE'RE GOING TO TRANSITION TO 100% OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT. WE LIKE TO SAY WE'LL BE QUIETER THAN ANY OTHER AIRCRAFT ON FERNANDINA BEACH. THAT'S A TRUE STATEMENT.

WE'RE PRETTY ECO FRIENDLY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE LIKE TO DO WHEN WE'RE SETTING UP THIS ACADEMY, WE LIKE TO THINK OF OURSELVES, IF WE HAVE A CAMPUS HERE, WHATEVER IT IS, WE LIKE TO KEEP OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. OKAY? WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT BY COMMITTING DAY ONE TO THE ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT.

OKAY? I SPENT MORE TIME ON THAT THAN I NORMALLY DO.

WHO ARE WE? LOT OF AIRPLANES. GOOD NUMBER OF YEARS AND YEARS IN THE U.S. AIR FORCE. THAT'S WHO WE ARE. EVERYONE THAT'S ON OUR, IN OUR INDUSTRY, IN OUR CORPORATION THAT'S MAKING UP THIS FLIGHT TEAM IS ALL DONE EITHER AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS AT UNITED AIRLINES OR THE U.S. NAVY OR AIR FORCE.

WE DO HAVE ONE TOKEN CANADIAN. THAT'S WHO WE ARE. WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM.

GOING TO A LITTLE BIT, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE YOUR HELP, NATE. SO WE ARE A TEAM OF PROFESSIONALS AND BUSINESS MEN. EXPERIENCED MILITARY AEUFRB KWR KWRAEUTERS. WE HAVE MILITARY EXPERIENCE. WE'RE AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF TRAINING AND FLIGHT STANDARDS LEADERSHIP AT THE SECOND LARGEST AIRLINE OF THE WORLD, UNITED AIRLINE. THOSE ARE ALL THE AIRPLANES THAT THOSE OF US THAT ARE ON THIS THING HAVE FLOWN FOR THOUSANDS OF HOURS. AGAIN, LIKE I SAID AT THE ONSET, I RAN FLIGHT STANDARDS FOR THE 767 FOR UNITED OVER FOUR YEARS WHERE I HANDLED OVER 100 AIRMEN THAT WENT OUT AND TRAINED CAPTAINS AND CO-PILOTS THAT ARE MANNING THE AIRPLANES THAT YOU'RE FLYING. THOSE ARE THE AIRPLANE WE HAVE FLOWN.

ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD IS CURRENTLY THE DEAN OF THE COLLEGE OF SCHOOL OF AVIATION AT WESTERN MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY. BEEN THERE OVER 16 YEARS. SO HE KNOWS FLIGHT TRAIN.

WE KNOWS FLIGHT ACADEMIES. ONE OF THE VERY BEST IN THE U.S. HE'S BRINGING THAT WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE TO THIS TEAM. THAT'S WHY WE THINK WE ARE POSITIONED NO DOUBT ARE THE BEST TEAM TO PUT THIS TOGETHER. OKAY. SO, WHAT IS OUR VISION FOR FERNANDINA BEACH AND WHY WE'RE COMING HERE? SHORT APPROACH HERE RUNWAY 9.

OKAY. AS I HAVE ALREADY ELUDED TO, WE WANT TO DEVELOP A LEADING PLAYER IN FERNANDINA BEACH. WE'RE GOING TO USE EVERYBODY. NOT ONLY FOR OUR STUDENTS BUT ALL OUR NEIGHBORS. YOU'RE MY NEIGHBORS. AND I WANT YOU TO LEAVE HERE HAPPY WITH IT. WHEN WE START FLYING, I THINK YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHAT I TOLD YOU IS THE EXACT TRUTH. HANG ON, NATE. GOT A LITTLE AHEAD OF ME.

>> DO YOU WANT ME TO ESCAPE OUT OF THIS? >> CAN YOU GO BACK? WE CAN LIVE WITH THAT. ONE MORE FLICK. HERE WE GO.

THAT'S GOOD. WE'LL LIVE WITH THAT. TALK ABOUT ELECTRIC TRAINERS.

100% FLEET WITHIN TEN YEARS. MIGHT BE SOONER. WE WANT TO BE A SERIOUS PARTNER WITH EVERYBODY IN FERNANDINA BEACH. WE DON'T WANT TO JUST GO ABOUT OUR BUSINESS AND NOT GIVE ANYTHING BACK. WE WANT TO BRING PEOPLE INTO OUR PLAN NOT ONLY TO TRAIN LOCAL PEOPLE HERE, BUT TO PROVIDE JOBS AND TRAIN FOR THAT NEW EMERGING

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TECHNOLOGY. THAT'S A WINNING COMBINATION. ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY MORE NOISE. NEXT SLIDE. SO WHAT SETS US APART FROM ANYONE ELSE WHO MAY COME HERE OR CURRENTLY EXISTING OUT THERE? WE HAVE THE BEST AND MOST EXPERIENCED FLIGHT OPERATIONS TEAM IN THE WHOLE U.S. THAT'S IN FACT REAL.

IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OTHER FLIGHT ACADEMY, FLIGHT TRAINING FACILITY IN THE WHOLE U.S., NO ONE HAS THE WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE AT AGILE DEFENSE. WE'RE COMMITTED TO NOT JUST TRAINING. THERE'S A TERM IN AVIATION I'M SURE MOST OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PANEL HAVE HEARD IT. MAYBE YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE. CALLED AIRMANSHIP.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE AT UNITED AIRLINES AND OTHER CARRIERS HAVE SEEN STARTING TO ERODE OVER THE LAST DECADE, TWO DECADES. YOU JUST GET MORE THAN JUST TRAINING SOMEBODY.

YOU GET THEM THEIR CERTIFICATE SO THEY CAN MOVE ON. IT'S HOW DO YOU ENGRAIN IN THEM THAT SENSE OF AIRMANSHIP? WHAT MAKES SENSE UP THERE WHEN YOU'RE FLYING? REALLY WE FOCUS ON THE NEEDS OF THE CUSTOMER. ULTIMATELY, IT'S THE AIRLINE.

OKAY. THE IMMEDIATE CUSTOMER IS THE STUDENT.

AS PROBABLY A LOT OF YOU KNOW, IF YOU SEND SOMEBODY OFF TO COLLEGE, THEY ARE PROBABLY GOING TO COLLEGE WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED TO STUDY THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

WE'LL GIVE THEM THE TOOLS. WHEN YOU COME OUT OF AGILE ACADEMY, YOU'LL BE LEAPS AND BOUNDS AHEAD OF PEOPLE WHO WENT TO AUBURN, PURDUE, ANYWHERE ELSE.

SO WE CAN GET INTO THAT LATER ON. STUDENT EXPOSURE THAT GOES DURING THAT NEEDED FOR JUST EARNING AN FAA. TALK ABOUT THAT.

TALK ABOUT THE BIGGEST THING. WE'RE AVIATION PROFESSIONALS. WE'RE NOT A GROUP OF BUSINESSMEN IN A CORPORATE OFFICE HUNDREDS OF MILES AWAY THINKING, WE'LL DUMP A FEW BILLION DOLLARS INTO FERNANDINA AND LET SOMEBODY RUN IT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. IT'S NOT OUR VISION.

CONTINUING WITH WHAT THIS IS. WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS QUICKLY.

NATE, PLEASE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR TRAINEES FOR ADVANCEMENT TO AIRLINE REGIONAL FOLLOWED BY MAINLINE CARRIERS. DESIGNED BY PROFESSIONAL AVIATION EXPERTS.

TRAINING INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS. THERE IS NOT A SINGLE ACADEMY THAT DOES NOT TRAIN INTERNATIONALS. THEY COME THERE, WHY? BECAUSE ONCE, LIKE MARKET, OPEN WHEN SOMEONE IDENTIFIES A REALLY GOOD PRODUCT, YOU'RE GOING TO START LURING AND ATTRACTING OTHER PEOPLE TO COME IN. IT COULD BE FROM ABROAD. THE BOEING STUDY, AS FAR AS WHERE THE NEED IS FOR PILOTS, THE NEED FOR PILOTS ABROAD IS GREATER THAN IT IS HERE IN THE U.S. THE OTHER THING IS WE'RE SETTING THIS ACADEMY UP.

WE'RE GOING TO PARTNER AND HAVE AN AFFILIATION WITH AVIATION INDUSTRY LEADERS.

SOME OF THOSE ARE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. THERE WE GO.

SR20S. FLYING AIRCRAFT IN SAN ANTONIO JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO.

PIPISTREL IS THE ELECTRIC PLANE WE'LL PROBABLY START UP WITH. ASSUMING THEY MEET THEIR CERTIFICATIONS WHICH THEY HAVE ON TRACK FOR 2021, JULY OF 2021. AND A PATH WAY TO UNITED AIRLINES. WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH THEM. NOT ONLY UNITED.

I HAVE THAT UP THERE BECAUSE I'M SO FAMILIAR WITH THEM. BUT DELTA, AMERICAN, FEDEX, YOU NAME IT. THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT. THEY GET THEIR PILOTS FROM THE SAME POOL. SO HERE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON OUR BOARD.

HERE JOE. HE'S ABROAD RIGHT NOW. HE COULDN'T MAKE IT.

FORMER MANAGING DIRECTOR UNITED AIRLINES. HE ALSO WAS OFFERED AN ADMINISTRATIVE JOB AT THE FAA. HE TURNED IT DOWN. THEY THOUGHT THAT HIGHLY OF JOE.

HE'S REALLY A PIONEER. DOES A LOT OF GREAT THINGS IN THE INDUSTRY.

NEXT SLIDE. HERE'S BOB. HE'S SITTING OVER HERE TO NATE'S LEFT. 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN BUSINESS TECHNOLOGY.

HE IS OUR COO. OUR CHIEF OF FLIGHT OPERATIONS RETIRED GENERAL LONG TIME.

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THOSE ARE THE FIGHTERS YOU SAW HIM FLY. COMMANDER AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT LEVELS UP UNTIL SICK YEARS AGO FULL TIME PILOT AT UNITED AIRLINES, ALL HIGHEST STANDARDS IN TRAINING. NEXT SLIDE. MUG SHOT OF ME UP THERE.

YOU CAN SEE MY BACKGROUND. PRETTY HEAVILY FIGHTER WEIGHTED EARLY ON, MY FIRST 14 YEARS IN THE AIR FORCE. I LEFT THE AIR FORCE, WENT TO UNITED AIRLINES FOR THE LAST 28 1/2 YEARS. SO NOW I'M HERE TALKING TO YOU. NEXT SLIDE.

HERE'S OUR TOKEN CANADIAN, FORMER CANADIAN F-18 PILOT. OUTSTANDING INDIVIDUAL.

NEXT AND FINALLY DAVE POWELL DEAN OF THE COLLEGE OF AVIATION AT WESTERN MICHIGAN, 16 YEARS EXPERIENCE THERE IN THAT CAPACITY. 13 AS THE DEAN THERE IN WESTERN MICHIGAN. PROBABLY RUNNING THE MOST ADVANCED FLIGHT TRAINING ACADEMY IN THE WHOLE U.S. SO WHY ARE WE HERE? SO OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM HAS IDENTIFIED AND COMMITTED TO FLORIDA SOMEWHERE IN FLORIDA TO LAUNCH THIS FLIGHT ACADEMY.

OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. AVIATION FRIENDLY STATE.

YOUR PREVIOUS GOVERNOR COMMITTED TO FLORIDA BEING THE NUMBER TWO CENTER OF EXCELLENCE FOR AVIATION IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY. CALIFORNIA'S NUMBER ONE. YOU'RE NOT GONNA OUTGROW CALIFORNIA. HE WANTED IT SO THE CURRENT GOVERNOR AND SENATOR MADE THIS THE CENTER OF AVIATION EXCELLENCE. THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD REASONS FOR THAT, MOST OF WHICH IS OBVIOUS, IS THE WEATHER. FAVORABLE CLIMATE, NUMBER OF FLYING DAYS, I THINK, IN YOUR STUDY, THE MASTER PLAN. YOUR RESEARCH ASSOCIATION IDENTIFIED OVER 320 DAYS A YEAR WE HAVE CONDITIONS HERE AT FERNANDINA.

ACCESSIBLE FOR DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS. SHIFTING FOR BUSINESS IN AREAS.

FLORIDA IS NO EXCEPTION. YOU ALL KNOW THAT. YOU CAN SEE THE GROWTH UP AND DOWN A1A. ECONOMIC VALUE. DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO COME HERE TO FLORIDA OR SOMEWHERE IN FLORIDA? IT OBVIOUSLY DOES.

SO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, NATE. OUR REQUIREMENTS. WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS EVERYONE WILL HAVE.

WE'LL KIND OF WRAP IT UP. THE AIRPORT FACILITY INFRASTRUCTURE.

NATE. LOW TO MODERATE DENSITY, ALLOWING FOR CONTINUOUS TRAINING. LOTS OF ACTIVITY. LOTS OF SPACE UP TO THE NORTH.

IF YOU LOOK ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE NORTH, MAYBE SOME CENTRAL, AREAS THERE, SOUTH HEAVILY RIGHT NOW.

WE WILL ACCESS CLASSROOM FACILITIES FOR NOT ONLY THE FLIGHT SIMULATOR.

ACCESS TO TOWER AND CONTROL AIR SPACE. YOU DON'T HAVE A TOWER HERE.

WE'RE NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER AIR FIELDS THAT ARE IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS. THEY DON'T HAVE TOWERS.

WE CAN WORK AROUND THAT. BECAUSE WHEN WE DO FLY, THERE'S A LOT OF TOWER ACCESS ELSEWHERE.

WE CAN GO TO BRUNSWICK, CECIS. WE NEED TOWER TRAINING WE CO-E CAN DO THAT.

WITHIN 30, 60 MINUTES OF MAJOR AIRPORT. EASY ACCESS TO GET TO I-95 ONCE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE. AVAILABILITY OF HOUSING FOR STUDENTS IN SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S A CONCERN, OKAY. WE KNOW THAT.

ALL RIGHT. BUT IT'S MAYBE A NICE PROBLEM TO HAVE IF YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IN OVER 100, 130 STUDENTS. OKAY. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN YOUR BACK YARD. AFFORDABLE COST OF LIVING. LARGE UNIVERSITY OR COLLEGE SYSTEM. WE DO HAVE THAT. WITH TECHNOLOGY, WE'RE FINDING MORE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES WITH THEIR FLIGHT TRAINING PROGRAMS ARE OFF CAMPUS.

SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THE SAME STATE. OKAY.

GROWING THE AREA, ATTRACTING THE AREA FOR GROWTH. AND DIVERSE DEMOGRAPHICS.

AND FINALLY, LIKE I SAID, MAKES GOOD BUSINESS SENSE. SO HERE'S OUR COMPLETION.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON DAY ONE. SO, AGAIN, HANG ON HERE.

PRIOR WILL BE THE CIRRUS. SR-20. REMEMBER, THERE'S GOING TO BE A TRANSITION OVER TIME TO FULLY ELECTRIC. WE'RE NOT EVEN SHOWING YOU ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT UP HERE BECAUSE CURRENTLY IT'S NOT CERTIFIED.

NEXT. HIGH PERFORMANCE AIRCRAFT. NOT NECESSARILY HIGH NOISE.

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THE SF-260. WE'RE TALKING SMALL NUMBERS OF THESE.

BULK OF IT WILL BE SR-20S. I THINK FIVE YEAR PLAN IS THREE TO FOUR OF THESE.

ANY AIRCRAFT IS GONNA HAVE MULTIENGINE TRAINERS IN THEM. THAT'S NO EXCEPTION WITH THE SEMINOLE AIRCRAFT. FINALLY LIGHT JETS. NOT A LOT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE END OF FIVE YEAR PLAN, THREE. YOU HAVE MORE THAN THAT ON YOUR RAMP SITTING OUT THERE. ALSO, THESE ARE ALSO QUIETER. SO, THESE ARE OUR MAJOR MILESTONES. THROUGH THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2020, YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BOTH HERE AND ELSEWHERE TO DETERMINE OUR FINAL NEGOTIATION, NEGOTIATE AND FINALIZE TERMS. AT LEAST GET CLOSE TO IT. AGAIN, THESE ARE OUR GOALS.

AND OPEN UP A TRAINING CENTER. STAGE ONE IS WE GET TO THIS AREA HERE.

YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START GROWING THE STUDENT BASE.

WE'LL BE OUT THERE MARKETING OURSELVES TO BRING THOSE STUDENTS IN.

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. ESTABLISH A PARTNERSHIP WITH HIGHER EDUCATION, MAJOR UNIVERSITIES. AND STAGE TWO, GROW, EXPAND THE STUDENT BASE. ALL THESE THINGS. WE'RE LOOKING FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE FOR FERNANDINA BEACH. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

HERE'S A PLAN REVENUE TARGETS. HERE'S A FLEET INVENTORY AT THE END OF YEAR ONE, 14 AIRPLANES.

THINK ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW, 14 AIRPLANES. AGAIN, MAKING A TRANSITION TO ELECTRIC AIRPLANES. AT THE END OF YEAR FIVE, 30 AIRPLANES.

NOW, END OF YEAR FIVE, WE GO FULLY ELECTRIC, WHICH WOULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT FIVE TO SEVEN YEAR POINT. 20 OF THOSE AIRPLANES ARE GOING TO BE ELECTRIC.

OKAY? >> BEFORE YOU LEAVE THAT SLIDE, I HAVE A QUESTION.

IF YOU COULD GO BACK A SLIDE, PLEASE. WHY IS YEAR TWO 50% SLIGHT

TRAINING AND YEAR THREE GOES DOWN TO 17% IS THAT A TYPO? >> IT MAY BE.

CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? >> COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION?

>> IT GOES DOWN. >> PRETTY LOW. >> THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO RAMP UP USAGE AT SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS AND CONCENTRATE ON A COUPLE OTHER THINGS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURVE WITH THE STUDENTS WE'RE GOING TO DO, YOU'LL GO THROUGH SEVERAL STAGES

OF TRAINING. >> COULD YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM?

>> LET ME ASK IT A DIFFERENT WAY. REVENUE INCOME IS GOING TO BE 50% OF FLIGHT TRAINING. 50% OF THAT REVENUE WILL BE COMING FROM FLIGHT TRAINING.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS. >> YEAR THREE IT DROPS TO 17, 20, 15.

IS THAT BECAUSE YEAR TWO IT WILL BE CONCENTRATED IN ONE PARTICULAR AREA.

THAT WILL BE PRIMARILY PRIVATE PILOTS. LOT OF THE TRAINING WILL B DISPERSED ELSEWHERE. SO WE PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO GO DOWN IN YEAR TWO BUT WILL START TO RAMP BACK UP. WE'RE GOING TO START LOOKING AT PRIVATE USE CHARTER OPERATION WHICH IS NOT DEALING WITH TRAINING. SO THE REVENUE MIX CHANGES.

>> IN ADDITION TO TRAINING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CHARTER OPERATIONS?

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> ON DEMAND? >> WE HAVEN'T QUITE DECIDED AT

THIS POINT IN TIME. >> THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN GET INTO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHARTER OPERATIONS. ONE THING THAT MAKES IT A COMPELLING BUSINESS MODEL, HOW YOU MAKE THE LIGHT JET AFFORDABLE FOR BRINGING STUDENTS INTO IT, YOU OFF SET IT WITH

CHARTER OPERATIONS. >> EXACTLY. >> THAT'S ALL BUILT AROUND THAT PHENOM AIRCRAFT WHICH BASICALLY YOU CAN HOLD FOUR TO SIX PASSENGERS ON BOARD.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A HIGH NUMBER. >> PRIVATE USE MEANS RENTAL?

>> PRIVATE USE FOR STUDENTS. THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW THEM ADDITIONAL TIME TO GAIN HOURS.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO OPEN THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC. THIS IS PRIMARILY PRIVATE USES.

THEY NEED TO GAIN EXPERIENCE AND GAIN HOURS, IT WILL QUALIFY THEM.

I'M SORRY. I'M NOT THIS DENSE. SHOULDN'T THAT ADD UP TO 100?

>> THIS IS JUST YEAR OVER YEAR. >> JUST TAKE IT YEAR THREE. 17, 10, 10.

>> NOT NECESSARILY. >> OKAY. >> THERE'S REVENUE INPUT FROM

OTHER -- >> YES. THAT'S CORRECT.

>> OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU.

>> MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WE'LL HAVE TIME FOR THAT STUFF LATER ON.

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>> THANK YOU. >> NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO WHAT ARE WE BRINGING TO THE CITY? THIS IS YEAR ONE. THIS IS NOT YEAR FIVE.

THIS IS YEAR ONE, WHAT DO WE PLAN ON BRINGING TO FERNANDINA BEACH? NATE? $10 MILLION IN EQUIPMENT, SIMULATORS, THINGS LIKE THAT, TO THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH. THAT'S JUST IN YEAR ONE. FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WE'RE LOOKING AT INVESTMENT IN OVER $20 MILLION, $25 MILLION OF EQUIPMENT HERE IN FERNANDINA BEACH. 150 TO 200 STUDENTS. THAT'S PRETTY OPTIMISTIC.

PROBABLY MORE LIKE THE 150 MARK. PROBABLY 130 TO 150 IS WHAT WE THINK.

COULD GO TO 200. NEXT. 30 TO 40 FULL AND PART TIME JOBS. INSTRUCTORS, STAFF, MAINTAINERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

COULD GO HIGHER THAN THAT. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE THINK IS A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE NUMBER.

INCREASED REVENUE FOR THE CITY AND AIRPORT. ALWAYS A GOOD THING TO HAVE.

AND GOING TO BE PREMIERE FLIGHT ACADEMY FLIGHT FACILITY IN THE WHOLE STATE OF FLORIDA, IF NOT THE ENTIRE U.S. NEXT. AND WE LIKE TO BE AT THE LAUNCH POINT OF EVOLUTION AND ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT. PRETTY NICE THING.

OKAY. SO WHY FERNANDINA BEACH? IT'S AN IDEAL AIRPORT LAYOUT FOR TRAINING. FOR THOSE WHO ARE AVIATORS, YOU'VE GOT THREE RUNWAY.

IF YOU DON'T WANT CROSS WIND OR WANT CROSS WIND, YOU CAN GO TO EITHER ONE OF THEM.

MOST PLACES WOULD DIE TO HAVE THAT. YOU HAVE IT.

GREAT LOCATION. NOT ONLY AIRPORT LAYOUT, BUT ALL WHERE YOU'RE SITUATED FOR TRAINING AND OTHER ACCESS AIRPORTS IN THE AREA OR AVAILABLE TRAINING SPACES IN THE NORTH AND WEST. NEXT SLIDE. OBVIOUSLY, YOU GOT APPROACH PLATES. YOU'RE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER APPROACH.

RUNWAY 4 COMING IN? HOPEFULLY, ANOTHER GPS. YOU'LL HAVE A PRECISION APPROACH. NEXT SLIDE. CLICK IT.

THERE'S YOUR AIR FIELD LAYOUT. WE'RE GOING TO BE SHORTLY TALKING ABOUT AREAS WE'RE LOOKING AT. I HAVE DRIVEN THE AIR FIELD WITH NATE.

I'LL POINT IT HERE SO YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. LOOKING AT AN AREA FOR DEVELOPING. NEXT SLIDE. ROOM TO GROW.

THIS IS WHAT WE'LL GET INTO. THIS IS OFF YOUR MASTER PLAN, 2050 MASTER PLAN.

THESE ARE WHAT PEOPLE IDENTIFIED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY. THESE ARE ALL THE AREAS THAT CORE 3 DEVELOPMENT AREA IS RIGHT OVER HERE, RIGHT ALONG JAMESTOWN ROAD.

WIDEN THIS AREA. NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. IS IT THE ONLY POSSIBILITY? NO, IT'S NOT.

WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A CAMPUS, CLASSROOMS, OPERATION CENTERS, HANGARS, RAMP SPACE.

IT'S ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED AS AN AREA TO GROW. OKAY? IT'S NOT GOING TO ENCUMBER ON ANYBODY. IT'S IDEALLY SITUATED.

ALREADY GOT UTILITIES. IT'S A REALLY GOOD LOCATION. NEXT SLIDE.

IF YOU'RE SITTING AT THE TAXI WAY OR INTERSECTION OF TAXI OF BRAVO AND ECHO, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. OKAY. HERE'S A CORPORATE JET HANGAR DOWN HERE. THERE'S PLANS, NATE, FEW MORE GOING IN? THIS MAY EVEN BE ON YOUR DOCKET TONIGHT. THAT AREA IS SET ASIDE TO DO THAT. OKAY? NEXT SLIDE.

THERE IS NO SINGLE AIRPORT IN THE COUNTRY NOT EVEN FERNANDINA BEACH WHERE YOU HAVE TURN KEY FACILITIES. SO WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A GROWTH STAGE WE'LL HAVE TO RAMP UP. THIS WILL BE A LITTLE LIKE MOVING INTO A NEW HOUSE OR MOVING OUT OF THE HOUSE YOU JUST SOLD, GETTING SOP TEMPORARY QUARTERS UNTIL YOUR NEW HOME IS BUILT. CURRENTLY HAVE THE HANGAR B IS AVAILABLE FROM WHAT I

UNDERSTAND. IS THAT CORRECT, NATE? >> CURRENTLY WE OWN AND MANAGE THE HANGAR. WE PROVIDE STORAGE. THE OFFICE SPACE IS EMPTY.

AS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THIS GROUP, WE KNOW THE ARMY NATIONAL GUARD HAS INTEREST IN THAT HANGAR, TOO, LONG TERM BUT THERE'S NOT ONE LEASEE OF THE HANGAR.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN INTERESTED IN AS MANAGER OF THE HANGAR AT SOME POINT.

>> YOU CAN CLICK, GIVE ANOTHER VIEW OF THAT. BASICALLY 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF HANGAR SPACE. PRETTY GOOD FACILITY. NEXT SLIDE, NEXT CLICK.

THIS IS OFF LYNVILLE ROAD. WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AVAILABLE.

I HAVE CONTACTED THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER FOR THIS, THAT HAS THIS AGENT.

KIND OF HAD SOME MIXED LUCK GETTING AHOLD OF IT. THEY SEEM TO BE INTERESTED BUT I

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HAVEN'T HEARD BACK IN THE LAST WEEK. LOOKING AT OPTIONS BEFORE WE COULD BUILD A FACILITY. WHERE COULD WE GO MOMENTARILY FOR A YEAR OR 18 MONTHS? THESE AREN'T SET IN STONE. THEY'RE JUST IDEAS. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S BEEN VACANT. THERE'S ONE SUITE THAT'S OCCUPIED FOR THE MOST PART.

BEEN VACANT. TALK ABOUT LOCATION IDEALLY SITUATED TO WHERE WE WANT TO START A CAMPUS. PRETTY DARN NICE. JUST AN IDEA.

NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. AIRPORT MANAGEMENT THANKS NATE.

WE'VE GIVEN A VERY FRIENDLY WELCOME, AS FAR AS ALLOWING US TO COME AND TALK TO YOU ALL.

JUST BEING A MEMBER ON THE AIRPORT ITSELF WORKING WITH BOBBY AND NATE.

IT'S A GREAT ENVIRONMENT. I HAVE BEEN IN OTHER AIRPORTS. NEXT SLIDE.

THAT'S FERNANDINA BEACH. THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN SOMEWHERE IN FLORIDA.

CLICK ON, GO TO THE NEXT ONE. SO WHY NOT HERE? ALL RIGHT? I KNOW. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE JURY, I GET IT.

SO HERE'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH IT QUICK AND THEN OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS, FIRST FT. THE COMMISSION THEN THE REST.

WE TALKED ABOUT WHY FLIGHT TRAINING? WHO WE ARE.

OKAY. OUR VISION. WHAT SETS US APART.

OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR ESTABLISHING THAT FACILITY RIGHT HERE.

AND THEN LITTLE BIT ABOUT GROWTH. AND WHY HERE? AGAIN, I LIVE HERE. I'M PARTIAL. I LOVE IT.

OKAY. WITH THAT, NEXT ONE. HERE WE ARE.

THAT'S THE END OF IT. HOW DID WE DO? NOT TOO BAD.

40 MINUTES. SO, WITH THAT -- >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO HERE WITH THE NUMBER OF AIRPLANES IS SATURATION. WE ARE NONTOWERED AIRPORT, LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT.

WHEN WE GET MORE THAN FIVE PLANES IN A PATTERN, IT GETS QUITE DANGEROUS.

ESPECIALLY WITH STUDENTS AND OTHER PEOPLE. WE GET DAYTONA PEOPLE COMING UP HERE. MY CONCERN IS SATURATION. HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT? ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT SOMEHOW? HOW DO WE HANDLE THE SATURATION POINT? WE HAVE TOO MANY AIRPLANES IN

THE PATTERN. >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. EXCELLENT QUESTION.

WE HAVE A FEW ANSWERS TO IT. ONE OF THIS IS, I HAVE TALKED TO THE FLORIDA ARMY NATIONAL GUARD, WHO HAS, THEY COME UP HERE EVERY SPRING, SET IT UP. THEY DO THEIR MOBILE FACILITY HERE ON THE AIR FIELD. TEMPORARY TOWER. I TALKED TO LIEUTENANT COLONEL ADLER ABOUT THAT VERY THING. WHAT WOULD BE THEIR INTEREST, ARMY NATIONAL GUARD, TO RELOCATE TO FERNANDINA BEACH TO BE HERE FULL TIME? THEY WERE EXTREMELY INTERESTED.

OKAY. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. TURN IT INTO A PATROLLED FIELD?

>> I CAN HELP WITH THAT ONE. THEY COME UP HERE AND PROVIDE THAT SERVICE FROM TIME TO TIME.

THAT UNIT, THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT FOR THE ARMY NATIONAL GUARD IS A KEY STONE.

ONE OF THEIR ABILITIES IS TO GET TRAINING. THEY GO PROVIDE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SERVICES. LOT OF SMALLER AIRPORTS. SOMETIMES THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A MILITARY UNIT, A GUARD UNIT THAT PROVIDES AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SERVICES.

YOU GET THE TOWER SERVICE. THE ARMY NATIONAL GUARD HAS BEEN LOOKING AROUND FOR A HOME SO THEY CAN TRAIN THEIR CONTROLLERS. THAT'S NOT A NEW CONVERSATION.

WE TALKED ABOUT IT HERE. THEY HAVE SOME INTEREST. THEY'VE BEEN DOING SOME FACILITY RESEARCH. IF THEY HAD INTEREST IN COMING HERE, IT'S AN AIR TRAFFIC

CONTROL UNIT. THEY DON'T BRING AIRPLANES. >> IF I TALKED TO THEM, I'M NOT

VIOLATING ANYTHING? >> IF THEY WANTED TO BID DOWN HERE AND PROVIDE A TOWER SERVICE, YOU PROBABLY WOULD END UP WITH COORDINATION AT SOME POINT.

>> IF THEY HAD INTEREST, THAT WOULD BE A WHOLE CONVERSATION, THAT WE ELUDED TO.

>> I'D FEEL SAFER GOING INTO A CONTROLLED AIRPORT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN IN DELAND. DELAND IS A ZOO. THEY GOT PARACHUTES COMING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT. BY THE WAY, WE HAVE JUMPERS HERE.

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DAYTONA SATURATES IT. IT BECOMES A ZOO. DELAND IS ACTUALLY A DANGEROUS

AIRPORT. >> I CAN SAY, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH COLONEL ADLER. HE WENT ON TO, DON'T WANT TO GET DOWN A RABBIT HOLE, BUT DIFFERENT THINGS THAT NOT ONLY COULD WE HELP THEM OUT BECAUSE OF WHAT THEIR TRAINING NEEDS ARE, BUT ALL WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SAFETY, JUST LIKE YOU JUST MENTIONED, YOU INCREASE THE LEVEL OF SAFETY WHEN YOU HAVE A CONTROL TOWER.

OTHER OPTIONS ARE THAT THE FAA IS LOOKING INTO ARE REMOTE TOWER OPERATIONS.

OKAY? THEY HAVE ONE IN OPERATION IN LEESBURG, VIRGINIA, RIGHT NOW.

THESE ARE ALL NEWER TECHNOLOGIES THAT CAN AND WILL AND SHOULD WE GROW TO THIS, YOU SHOULD HAVE IT FOR SAFETY, NUMBER ONE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING TO BE FRAYED OF.

IT'S SOMETHING TO EMBRACE. YOU'LL HAVE A SAFER OPERATION. ESPECIALLY WITH THREE DIFFERENT

RUNWAYS. >> MOST OF THE GARDEN OPERATIONS ARE WEEKEND.

WE'VE EXPERIENCED HERE WHEN THEY HAVE COME IN, ON THE CONCOURSE. >> THERE ARE QUITE A FEW, THEY HAVE DUTY CIVILIANS AND THERE ARE TRADITIONAL GUARDSMEN THAT WORK ON THE WEEKEND.

THAT'S HOW THEY STAFF THEIR TOWERS. >> IT'S A LONG CONVERSATION.

>> WHAT IS YOUR INTEREST? ARE YOU TRYING TO DO TRAINING FROM TIME TO TIME OR ARE YOU INTERESTED IN SETTING UP A TOWER WHERE YOU HAVE DOD CIVILIANS AND WEEKEND PATROLLERS WHO DO THE ONE WEEKEND A MONTH? EVEN IF THEY HAD INTEREST. THAT'S SO FAR OUT AND BEYOND.

>> THERE'S NOTHING CAST IN STONE IN CONTROLLED AIR SPACE HERE, A CONTROLLED AIRPORT.

>> RIGHT. YOU BET. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS PEOPLE HAVE IS THE TRAFFIC. ONE THING WE CAN'T CONTROL IS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT COMES UP FROM JACKSONVILLE OR ORMOND BEACH.

IT'S INTERMITTENT. GOOD WEATHER DAYS, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC HERE.

THAT'S SOMETHING EVERYBODY AROUND THE AIRPORT, I'M SURE YOU'RE MINDFUL OF IT, TOO.

>> WE ANTICIPATE FOR MEMBERS OF SORTIES TO START OFF WITH. ASSUMING WE GET 12 TO 14 AIRPLANES YEAR ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT MINIMUM 30, 50 A DAY. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ALL 50 OF THOSE AIRPLANES LAUNCHING FOUR DIFFERENT GOES, FOUR SEPARATE FLYING PERIODS. THEY'LL ALL STAY IN PATTERN. SOME WILL STAY HERE.

THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. I'M NOT GOING TO LIE ABOUT IT. AS WE MAKE THAT TRANSITION FROM INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES OVER TO ELECTRIC, THAT WON'T BE TEN YEARS.

IT WILL BE LESS THAN THAT. THAT'S OUR GOAL. >> THAT'S WORST CASE.

>> QUESTION FOR NATE. DO WE KNOW WHAT OUR AVERAGE DAILY OPERATION IS?

>> WE ACTUALLY, WE HAVE FLIGHT TRAINING OPERATIONS ON OUR AIRPORT EVERY DAY.

WE SEE A NUMBER OF FLIGHT TRAINING AGENCIES IN THE JACKSONVILLE AREA.

ONE OF THE MOST COMMON APP CRAIG AIR FIELD. IF YOU'RE DRIVING BETWEEN 8 AND NOON, YOU'LL SEE TWO OR THREE OF THEM ALMOST EVERY DAY IF THE WEATHER IS GOOD.

>> THAT IS HAPPENING NOW. THEY'LL FIND OTHER AIRPORTS. MAYBE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR UNCONTROLLED AIR SPACE. FLIGHT TRAINING IS HAPPENING. IF YOU WERE TO ASK ABOUT DAILY OPERATIONS, WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THOSE AIRCRAFT, I'D HAVE TO MAYBE PUT BETTER THOUGHT INTO THAT. I THINK ANECDOTALLY LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW OR BEING ON THE APRON, TWO OR THREE IN A GOOD WEATHER DAY FOR TWO, THREE HOURS COMING AND GOING FROM

JACKSONVILLE. >> THAT'S 20 OR 30 OPERATIONS. >> WHAT I'M GETTING AT, BASED ON WHAT OUR CURRENT NUMBER OF DAILY TOUCH AND GO WITH SORTIES OR TAKE OFF AND LANDING, ADDING IN

SOME MORE. >> MAYBE WE CAN FIND OUT THAT INFORMATION AND GET AN ESTIMATE

GOING FORWARD WHAT CAPACITY INCREASE THAT WOULD BE. >> SURE.

ABSOLUTELY. >> I THINK IT WILL BE A MAJOR CONCERN, HOW ARE WE GOING TO

PREVENT ACCIDENTS BECAUSE OF SATURATION? >> WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS IT MAKES SENSE. REAL ANSWER FOUR YEARS DOWN THE ROAD IF YOU HAVE A CONTROLLED TOWER IN FERNANDINA. IF I TRIED TO CUT THAT ANY OTHER WAY, I'D BE LYING.

WE'RE SEEING THIS HAPPEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY. MOST OF YOUR CONTROLLED AIR

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FIELDS ARE GOING TO THAT. EITHER FAA TOWERS OR CONTRACT TOWERS GOING ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

>> I LIKE THE IDEA OF THAT REMOTE TOWER. >> ONE THING THE PEOPLE OUT HERE, FELLOW CITIZENS, TOWERED AIRPORT DOESN'T MEAN 24 HOURS A DAY.

TOWERS AT CRAIG, SAINT AUGUSTINE, THOSE HAVE CERTAIN HOURS OF OPERATION NORMALLY 7

A.M. UNTIL 9 P.M. OR 10 P.M. >> THEY GIVE YOU SOME IDEA WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT REMOTE TOWER, WHAT THAT MEANS, MAKES THE PROGRAM AT LEESBURG HOW THIS OPERATES.

IT IS REMOTE. IT IS A SET OF 17 CAMERAS SET UP, HIGH DEFINITION CAMERAS AROUND THE ENTIRE AIR FIELD. HOW CAN THAT POSSIBLY WORK? IT WORKS REMARKABLY WELL.

THAT'S WHY THE FAA IS LOOKING AT IT. A LOWER COST ALTERNATIVE TO PUTTING IN BRICK AND MORTAR TOWER ITSELF WITH FIBER OPTIC EVERYTHING ELSE.

WHAT WE'RE FINDING OUT WHAT THEY HAVE FOUND OUT. I TALKED TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO INSTALLED THAT IN LEESBURG. BEEN IN OPERATION THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

THEY CAN SEE WITH THE CAMERAS AREAS ON THE AIRPORT THAT A TOWER JUST CAN'T SEE.

YOU CAN RUN IT WHETHER THAT REMOTE STATION IS ON THE AIRPORT OR SOMEWHERE MILES AWAY, IT WORKS. THEY HAVE THINGS WORKING IN SWEDEN.

JUST RECENTLY INSTALLED IN GUERNSEY. THEY ANTICIPATED, THEY WERE EXPECTING FAA CERTIFICATION FAIRLY SOON, WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.

>> IT'S AN AILLTERNATIVE TO A BRICK AND MORTAR STRUCTURE. GIVES YOU THE AMOUNT OF SAFETY

YOU WANT TO HAVE IN A TOWER CONTROLLED AREA. >> THAT'S NOT THE SITUATION

TODAY. >> IT'S NOT. >> WE'VE GOTTEN THE POINT ACROSS THAT TRAFFIC AND CONTROLS AND SAFETY IS ONE OF OUR PRIMARY CONCERNS.

>> HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT WHERE YOUR PRIMARY TRAINING AREA WILL BE?

NORTH IN GEORGIA OR SOUTH DOWN? >> IT WILL BE NORTH AND WEST. >> YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY OUR

ONLY PLACE TO FLY WITHOUT -- >> BELIEVE ME, IF WE DO SET THIS UP, WE WILL MAKE SURE WE ARE WELL COORDINATED WITH LOCAL PEOPLE ON THE AIRPORT, WHERE THEY WANT TO FLY, FOR AIR SPACE

USAGE. >> THAT'S ABOUT THE LAST ISOLATED PLACE YOU CAN GO AND

NOT WORRY ABOUT STUDENTS. >> WE'VE KIND OF BEATEN THAT SUBJECT UP PRETTY GOOD.

ANY OTHER -- START WITH KENT AND MOVE DOWN. >> I WAS WONDERING ABOUT SPECIFIC AIR FIELDS THAT YOU LOOKED AT TO MOVE TRAINING AWAY. I HAVE SEEN AN AIRPORT THAT I USED TO BASE MY AIRPLANE AT WHERE THEY GOT OVERSATURATED WITH FLIGHT TRAINING, TWO DIFFERENT SCHOOLS, AND IT MADE THE AIRPORT ALMOST UNUSABLE SOMETIMES FOR PEOPLE THAT WERE TRYING TO COME AND GO AND NOT JUST NOSE TO TAIL GOING AROUND PATTERNS TOUCH AND GOES.

IF THIS HAPPENS, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THE ORGANIZATION WOULD IDENTIFY OUTLYING AIR FIELDS.

THERE ARE A LOT AROUND THIS PART OF THE WORLD TO DO THAT SORT OF OPERATION RATHER THAN CLOGGING UP THE AIR SPACE RIGHT HERE. IT'S A GOOD NEIGHBOR ISSUE. IT'S JUST NOT A WISE THING TO DO TO OVERUSE THE PATTERN IN AN AIRPORT. VERY SPECIFIC FIELDS THAT YOU'VE

IDENTIFIED. >> HOW MANY HAVE WE IDENTIFIED? >> JUST WHAT WOULD THEY BE?

>> WE CAN GO OVER TO CECIL, GO UP TO BRUNSWICK. WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE FOR TOWER

CONTROLLED TYPE AIRPORTS. THINGS LIKE THAT. >> THERE IS NO TOWER AIRPORTS.

THERE IS NO TOWER. >> WE HAVE LOOKED AT THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

WITH THE ADVENT IN HAVING THE CIRRUS, NOW WE'RE GETTING OUTSIDE PRETTY QUICKLY.

NOT LIKE YOU'RE FLYING AT 100 KNOTS OR 80 KNOTS. WE CAN GET AWAY AND DO THIS TRAINING AND DO IT EFFICIENTLY WITHOUT A MAJOR CONCERN. WE UNDERSTAND IT.

WE GET IT, NOISE AND TRAFFIC LEVELS HERE AT FERNANDINA. >> HOW FAR ARE YOU WILLING TO GO

AND BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THE COMMUNITY? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

YOU HAVE TO DIG DOWN AND BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC ON THAT. BUT AS FAR AS PLANNING --

>> WOULD YOU IMPOSE VOLUNTARY CURFEWS SO WE'RE NOT DOING THIS AT NIGHT?

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>> WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT. THERE WILL BE NEED FOR SOME NIGHT FLY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE FLYING -- JIM, CORRECT ME. TYPICALLY WHEN YOU ARE FLYING AT

WESTERN MICHIGAN, HOW LATE WERE YOU FLYING? >> MIDNIGHT.

>> THERE ARE WAYS TO MITIGATE THAT, I IMAGINE YOU COULD. >> MITIGATE A LOT.

>> PILOTS IN TRAINING HAVE TO LEARN TO FLY AT NIGHT. >> I'D BE LYING IF I SAID THERE WASN'T ANY. DO WE HAVE AIRPLANES LANDING HERE AT MIDNIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A TYPICAL CIRCUIT OUT HERE AT

MIDN MIDNIGHT. >> ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE YOUR

OWN GUILD? >> WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. I HAVE ADDRESSED THIS WITH NATE.

WE LOOKED AT PROJECTIONS AS FAR AS HOW MUCH IF WE GO TO MAX OPERATIONS, HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF GALLONS OF FUEL WE'D HAVE A YEAR. TOP END WOULD BE ABOUT 200,000 GALLONS A YEAR. WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT, I KNOW THE AIRPORT IS TALKING ABOUT MAYBE PUTTING IN A NEW FUEL FARM. HOWEVER WE WOULD WANT TO ADDRESS THAT COMMERCIALLY AS FAR AS PAYING FOR THAT. WE'VE DONE THE RESEARCH AND TALKED TO FUEL VENDORS, THREE OF THEM, IN THE FLORIDA AREA. IT BECOMES LESS OF A PROBLEM WHEN YOU START GOING TO ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT. IN THE SHORT TERM WE'RE LOOKING AT 100 LOW LEAD. WE TALKED TO SOME OF THOSE AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING.

THERE'S SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS IF WE BRING THE FUEL IN OURSELVES. DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO BUILD FUEL TANKS. WE'D RATHER LET THE CITY DO THAT AND WORK OUT AN ARRANGEMENT WHERE WE'LL PAY FOR THE FUEL BUT NOT HAVE TO STORE IT OURSELVES. WE CAN GO THAT OPERATION IF WE WANT TO. THERE'S FUEL TANKS ON THE FIELD RIGHT NOW.

JET A, BY SOME OF THE CORPORATE HANGAR, 10,000 GALLON FUEL TANKS.

WE'LL LOOK AT THAT. IF WE WOULD HAVE TO BUY. TALK TO THE FUEL VENDORS.

WE CAN SAVE ALMOST $3 A GALLON DIFFERENCE. YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE THERE. WHETHER WE WORK SOMETHING OUT LONG TERM WITH THE CITY WHERE WE GO, HEY, WE'LL PURCHASE THE FUEL AND STORE IT IN YOUR TANKS IF YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. THE OTHER OPTION IS BUILDING YOUR OWN TANKS TO CODE, STATE AND FEDERAL LEVELS AND SAVE THAT SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS. WHAT WE WON'T DO, OBVIOUSLY, IS COMPETE. WE'D HAVE A NONCOMPETE CLAUSE FOR THAT.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO PUT ANYBODY OUT OF BUSINESS. WE'RE LOOKING HOW CAN WE DO THIS MOST ECONOMICALLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN WITH THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH AND THE AIRPORT? WE GOT TO WORK AROUND IT. WE CAN'T GET AWAY FROM FUEL UNTIL WE GET TO ELECTRIC

AIRPLANES. THEN IT GOES DOWN. >> AS FAR AS RATES, VOLUME, THAT KIND OF THING. AN AIRPORT CAN'T PROHIBIT SELF-FUELS AS LONG AS THEY'RE PAYING A FUEL FLOWAGE RATE. SO IF THEY WANTED TO PUT IN A TANK SYSTEM, AN AIRPORT CAN'T PROHIBIT THAT. THEY'D HAVE TO PAY A FUEL. GENERALLY A NONFBO PAYS MOST AIRPORTS 1.5 TIMES THE FUEL RATE. THEY COULDN'T COME IN AND HAVE --

>> WHAT'S THE FINANCIAL IMPACT AT THE AIRPORT? >> ONE PIECE I HAVE BEEN DOING SOME RESEARCH ON. I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER FOR YOU TONIGHT, IS FEEL FLOW.

THAT'S A BURNING QUESTION. ONE COMPONENT I'M PROBABLY MORE FAMILIAR WITH JUST BASED ON THE ROUGH AREA OF PROPERTY THAT WE LOOKED AT WOULD BE GROUND LEASE. IF SOMEONE CAME IN AND SAID WE WANT TO LEASE X SQUARE FEET OF GROUND, OUR AERONAUTICAL IS 30 SQUARE FOOT.

MR. ZETTLE IS NOT THAT FAR ALONG. I DON'T KNOW THEIR DEMANDS OR

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REQUIREMENTS. >> BASICALLY, FUEL LEASE. >> I THINK YOU'VE GOT FUEL AND GROUND LEASE AS YOUR TWO PRIMARY REVENUE COMPONENTS. ACTIVITY AND OTHER ANCILLARY IMPACT AVIATION THERE COULD BE. YOU COULD HAVE OTHER ACTIVITY ON THE AIRPORT THAT'S DRIVEN BY NEW

PILOTS AND TRAINING. THAT'S A SOFTER REVENUE. >> WHICH GETS ME TO DEMOGRAPHIC OF THE STUDENTS. LOT OF THEM WILL BE INTERNATIONAL?

>> SOME. WHEN WE SAY A LOT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MIX WILL BE.

CURRENTLY, SEVERAL MAJOR FLIGHT -- HARRIS DOWN IN SANFORD, THEY'RE ALMOST 80%, 90% INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO THAT. WE HAVEN'T DOVE DOWN REAL QUICK ON THESE NUMBERS. WE'RE THINKING PERHAPS MAYBE A 70/30 MIX DOMESTIC, INTERNATIONAL. ANY FLIGHT CAN BE FLIGHT TRAIN OF ANY SIZE IN THE WHOLE U.S.

FLIGHT TRAINING ACADEMY GOODYEAR ARIZONA ALMOST 100%. THEY DO FLIGHT TRAINING FOR LUFTHANSA. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO THAT HERE.

WILL THERE BE SOME? ABSOLUTELY. >> WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO,

MOST OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE LIVING HERE TEMPORARILY. >> CORRECT.

>> WHETHER THEY'RE INTERNATIONAL OR NOT, MOST OF THEM. THE LOCAL POPULATION IS NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU THE NUMBER OF PILOTS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. THAT WILL BE A GOOD IMPACT FOR THE COMMUNITY. ARE YOU GOING TO HELP THEM WITH HOUSING?

>> WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT. THAT'S ON OUR LIST OF THINGS. YEAH, IT'S A CONCERN.

NO MATTER WHERE WE GO, AGAIN, THERE'S REALLY NO TURN KEY OPERATION IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA OR THE U.S. WHERE YOU CAN SAY, I HAVE 150 STUDENTS HERE, HOW ARE YOU GONNA HOUSE THEM? THAT'S A CONCERN EVERYWHERE. WE'RE NOT GONNA RAMP THIS UP OVERNIGHT TO 150 STUDENTS. IT WILL PROBABLY START OFF WITH 20 TO 30 AND OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR MIGHT GET TO THAT. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY.

WE'LL SPEND A LOT MORE TIME ADDRESSING THAT. NOT SOMETHING WE'RE TURNING A

BLIND EYE TO THINKING IT WILL JUST WORK ITSELF OUT. >> KENT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING?

>> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. >> DAVE? >> I DO.

THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST. THANKS FOR THE BRIEFING TONIGHT. WE APPRECIATE THAT.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> COULD YOU ADD A LITTLE MORE COLOR TO HOW MUCH SPACE YOU MIGHT TAKE UP IN YEARS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, AS FAR AS SQUARE FOOTAGE HANGAR SPACE AN

RAMP SPACE. >> YEAR ONE BRINGS US, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT 12 TO 14 AIRPLANES. WE'VE PROBABLY GOT NUMBERS AS FAR AS I KNOW THE FAA HAS GUIDELINES AS FAR AS CATEGORY TYPE ONE AIRCRAFT BASICALLY ROUGHLY 25 OR 30 FEET BY ABOUT 30 FEET. HOW MUCH SQUARE YARDS. I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. AS WE GET LARGER, THINK ABOUT WHAT'S OUT IN FRONT OF BENT WING. HOW MANY AIRPLANES YOU WILL SEE ON A RAMP ON ANY DAY.

WHEN IT GETS BUSY, YOU CAN HAVE 20, 25 AIRPLANES. PROBABLY NOT THAT MANY.

GOOD AVERAGE NUMBER 10 TO 20. LOOKING AT BESIDES HANGAR SPACE, JUST USING HANGAR BRAVO B AS AN EXAMPLE, THAT'S 10,000 SQUARE FEET. MOST OF YOUR AIRPLANES WILL BE OUT OF RAMP. 10 OR 15 MAX, 20% MAYBE IN A HANGAR AT ANY ONE POINT OF TIME.

IF WE HAVE MAX 30 AIRPLANES, MOST WE WOULD HAVE WOULD BE 20 TO 22 AIRPLANES.

REST WOULD BE SOME LEVEL IN A HANGAR. WE MAY WANT MORE THAN ONE

HANGAR. DEPENDS. >> YOU EAR SAYING MORE RAMP THAN

HANGAR. >> MORE RAMP THAN HANGAR. JUST BECAUSE OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.

IF YOU ADD CIRRUS SIZE AIRPLANE YOU COULD PROBABLY PUT A MAXIMUM OF SEVEN TO EIGHT.

MAXIMUM. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> ANYTHING ELSE, DAVE? >> NO. >> HOW ABOUT YOU?

>> I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT KIND OF NEIGHBOR YOU'RE GOING TO BE.

>> I THINK WE'LL BE A GOOD ONE. WE WANT TO BE INVESTED NOT ONLY ECONOMICALLY, FINANCIALLY HERE, BUT ALL LONGEVITY WISE, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO IT. IT WON'T BE SUCCESSFUL IF WE DON'T HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO WORK NOT ONLY THE TENANTS FLYING THE AIRPLANES, BUT ANYBODY ELSE WHO MAY BE COMING IN.

AS WE TALK ABOUT TOWERS, SAFETY, WE DON'T HAVE AN AIRPORT. WE DON'T HAVE AN AIRPORT, WE

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DON'T HAVE A FLIGHT ACADEMY IF WE'RE NOT SAFE. ONE THING WE DO KNOW, WE'LL DO AT AGILE ACADEMY BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE IS OUR FOCUS ON SAFETY.

THAT COMES FROM YEARS IN THE AIR FORCE, AT AIRLINES, DELTA. NO ONE DOES IT BETTER.

THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO BRING THAT LEVEL OF AIRMANSHIP AND SAFETY AND FOCUS TO THIS

ACADEMY. >> ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE AAC? >> ONE OF THE REASONS YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO COME HERE WAS BECAUSE OF THE LAYOUT OF THE AIRPORT.

HYPOTHETICALLY, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. IF FOR SOME REASON THIS WASN'T ABLE TO WORK HERE AND YOU HAD TO RELOCATE TO CRAIG OR ST. MARY'S OR EVEN THE OLD BAPTIST TEMPLE AIRPORT IN NASSAU COUNTY. THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM COMING HERE AND USING THIS AIRPORT, IS THERE, WITH THE TRAFFIC? YOU COULD STILL COME HERE?

>> YOU'RE RIGHT. >> WHETHER YOU'RE PLANTED HERE OR NOT.

>> JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE AT ATP DOWN AT CRAIG. ON A GOOD DAY, THEY'LL COME UP AND DO WORK HERE AT FERNANDINA. AS SOON AS YOU PUT AN APPROACH ON RUNWAY 4, YOU'LL HAVE MORE TRAFFIC COMING IN ON RUNWAY 4 BECAUSE YOU HAVE THOSE FACILITIES.

THAT'S JUST NOT A WISH, THAT'S A FACT. NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE. THERE'S NO WAY TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.

WHAT WE HOPE WILL HAPPEN WHEN WORD GETS OUT THAT, HEY, THERE'S A FLIGHT ACADEMY AT FERNANDINA BEACH, LET'S NOT GO UP THERE, LET'S GO SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE THEY'RE BUSY.

NOW, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT. BUT I THINK THERE'S, KIND OF LIKE DEATH AND TAXES, YOU CAN'T

PREVENT THEM. >> WHAT DAVE IS ELUDING TO, YOU HAVE A FEDERALLY FUNDED AIRPORT.

WE TAKE FAA GRANT FUND. WE HAVE CERTAIN GRANT ASSURANCES.

THAT'S WHAT DAVE AND ROB WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AS A PUBLIC AIRPORT, SOME OF THOSE GRANT ASSURANCES REQUIRE AN FAA FUNDED AIRPORT TO BE AVAILABLE FOR USE BY THE PUBLIC.

WE CAN'T UNJUSTLY DISCRIMINATE AND RESTRICT TRAFFIC FROM COMING HERE.

WE CAN'T SIMPLY TELL SOMEBODY, NO, WE DON'T LIKE YOUR OPERATION.

THAT ALSO CORRELATES OVER TO AERONAUTICAL SERVICE. IT CAN'T UNJUSTLY DISCRIMINATE AGAINST AN AERONAUTICAL USE. THEY HAVE TO MEET FAA STANDARDS. THEY HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM STANDARDS. ITEMS WHERE AN AIRPORT CAN LIMIT OR PROHIBIT ACTIVITY IS BASED ON ISSUES CONCERNING SAFETY OF FLIGHT. IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S A SAFETY CONCERN, I BELIEVE THE FAA CALLS IT MATTERS OF CIVIL IMPACT TO CIVIL AVIATION FOR THE PUBLIC I THINK ARE THE TWO COMPONENTS THERE'S LIMITATION OR PROHIBITION.

THE FAA IS WELL VERSED ON THAT. AT AN FAA AIRPORT, THERE ARE COMPONENTS THAT SERVICE THE PUBLIC. ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, GETS A LITTLE WEEDY GOING THROUGH FAA GUIDELINES. I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT. WE SEE THAT TRAFFIC COMING IN HERE, FLIGHT SCHOOL TRAFFIC COMING IN HERE. I GET THAT QUESTION A LOT.

WHY CAN'T YOU JUST TELL THEM TO GO SOMEPLACE EL? WE'RE A PUBLIC USE AIRPORT.

>> NATE, COULD I ASK YOU TO ADDRESS HOW FEDERAL DOLLARS ARE TIED TO OPERATIONS.

SOME CORRELATION TO FUNDING SUPPORTING A LOCAL AIRPORT WITH THE TRAFFIC YOU HAVE.

>> YEAH. THERE'S A FEW THINGS THE WAY FUNDING IS BASED.

THE AIRPORT GETS FUNDING FROM FAA FOR MOST OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS.

WE GET A GOOD AM OFF FUEL TAX IN FLORIDA. THEY LOOK AT A FEW THINGS.

THEY RANK PROJECTS BASED ON PRIORITIES. SAFETY OF FLIGHT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE FAA. MAINTAINING STRUCTURE AND NOT NECESSARILY BUILDING NEW INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE FUNDING IS ALWAYS LIMITED. SO THEY PRIORITIZE SOME OF THOSE THINGS. THEY ALSO LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF OPERATIONS AN AIRPORT HAS.

IT SHOWS THERE'S 45,000 OPERATIONS AT THE AIRPORT A YEAR.

THOSE ARE LANDINGS OR TAKEOFFS. 45,000 LANDINGS OR TAKEOFFS A YEAR.

LAST THING WE LOOK AT IS ASSIGNED AIRCRAFT. AIRPORT MANAGERS ARE REQUIRED TO RPORT ALL OF OUR AIRCRAFT TO THE FAA AND FDOT. YOUR ASSIGNED AIRCRAFT

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CORRELATES BACK. WHAT IT DOES, THE FAA ARE LOOKING AT AIRPORTS THAT ARE BUSIER OR HAVE MORE TIME ON THE AIRCRAFT. THEY WEIGH HEAVIER.

WHEN THEY'RE PRIORITIZING FUNDS, JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT MONEY INTO AN AIRPORT THAT'S SLOW. IT'S A FACTOR COMPONENT OF THE WAY THEY PRIORITIZE.

>> THANK YOU. >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. AIRPORT OBLIGATIONS TO THE FAA PUBLIC USE AIRPORT. WE HAVE TO BE MIND. OF IT.

I THINK THAT'S EVERYBODY UNLESS ANYBODY HAS A BURNING DESIRE. >> I WOULD SUGGEST WHEN YOU GO FORWARD WITH THIS. THIS WAS THE INITIAL PROPOSAL. YOU PUT AN EMPHASIS ON THE ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT VERSUS THE PISTON AIRCRAFT AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO CROSS.

BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY, 90% OF THESE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> SO IF YOU SHOW SOMETHING THAT SHOWS WHERE THE ELECTRIC COMES

IN, THOSE ARE SHOW. >> YOU CAN DO THAT. ABSOLUTELY.

>> GOOD IDEA. >> ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE AAC? >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE -- I THINK

WE ONLY HAVE TWO. NOBODY ELSE -- >> I HAVE ONE PERSON HERE.

MAYBE ANOTHER ONE THERE. >> FIRST PERSON I HAVE LISTED HERE IS CAROL DUNLOP.

>> DO I GO UP THERE? >> THEY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO RECORD WHAT YOU SAY SO THE PODIUM IS THE PREFERRED LOCATION. AND MY WIFE SAID SHE'S WATCHING.

>> YES, MA'AM. HAVE YOU DONE THIS BEFORE? >> YES, BEFORE COUNCIL, NOT

BEFORE YOU ALL. >> SAME FORMAT. >> SAME PROCEDURE.

>> NAME, RANK AND SERIAL NUMBER. >> I'M CAROL DUNLOP. I LIFT AT TITLIST DRIVE FERNANDINA BEACH. I SEE PLANES FLY OVER DAILY. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH. FIRST QUESTION I REALLY HAVE IS FOR NATE.

IS OUR AIRPORT LOSING MONEY NOW? >> THE AIRPORT'S SELF-SUSTAINING.

>> OKAY. >> LARGELY, WE HAVE GOOD REVENUE SOURCES, AS YOU KNOW, PROBABLY IN A COMMUNITY, A GOOD PORTION OF OUR REVENUE SOURCE COMES FROM N N N N N NONAERONAUTICAL FUNDING WE GET MONEY FROM THE FAA AND FDOT. TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS.

THE AIRPORT IS SELF-SUSTAINING. >> GOOD. THAT WAS SOMETHING I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW. TWO WORDS THAT I HEARD YOU SAY REPEATEDLY WERE WHEN AND TEN YEARS. YOU KEPT SAYING WHEN THIS HAPPENS AND TEN YEARS.

BY TEN YEARS WE'LL DO THIS. THE FIRST FOUR PLANES I THINK YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO START OUT WITH 12 TO 14 AIRPLANE. THE PLANE YOU SHOWED US ON THE SCREEN THAT WAS AN ELECTRIC

PLANE, YOU SAID THERE WERE FOUR THAT HAD BEEN -- >> FOUR IN THE U.S.

>> FOUR IN THE U.S., RIGHT. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE BRINGING ONE OF -- THESE 13, 14

PLANES ARE NOT GOING TO BE ELECTRIC? >> NO.

THE INITIAL PLANES WE WILL USE FOR TRAINING WILL NOT BE ELECTRIC.

HOWEVER, FROM DAY ONE, OUR PLAN IS TO HAVE ONE TO TWO ELECTRIC AIRPLANES ON THE FIELD TO BE FLOWN. ONE TO SHOW WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING.

THIS WILL BE A FOCAL POINT. SOON AS THAT FIRST ELECTRIC AIRPLANE SHOWS UP, EVERYONE HERE IS GOING TO WANT TO GO FLY TO SEE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT IT DOES. THE OTHER THING WHAT IT WILL DO IS HELP US GET ON THE LEADING EDGE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY. THERE'S MUCH MORE TO JUST AN ELECTRIC AIRPLANE THAN PLUGGING IT IN. PART OF THE MAJOR FOCUS ON HANDLING THESE AIRCRAFT IS BATTERY TECHNOLOGY. BATTERY MANAGEMENT.

SO BY HAVING THE AIRPLANES ON THE GROUND THAT DAY ONE, EVEN THOUGH THE FAA WILL NOT ALLOW US BECAUSE IT IS NOT CERTIFIED. IT DOESN'T EVEN MENTION ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THOSE ON THE AIR FIELD AND THEY WILL BE FLYING.

WE'LL SEE TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT IT WILL BE. >> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU YOUR QUESTION. WHEN? FROM DAY ONE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ELECTRIC AIRPLANES. BUT THEY WILL NOT BE FLOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT QUALIFIED TO

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FLY. >> LET ME CLARIFY THAT. RIGHT NOW THE FAA DOES NOT ALLOW -- THEY CANNOT ALLOW YOU -- WE CAN FLY THE AIRPLANES. THEY'RE AN EXPERIMENTAL CATEGORY. THEY'RE FULLY CERTIFIED AUSTRALIA, CANADA.

WE CAN'T USE THEM FOR FLIGHT INSTRUCTION HERE. WE CAN FLY THEM JUST LIKE THE PLANE I'M BUILDING. IT'S EXPERIMENTAL. I CAN FLY THAT.

IT'S NOT CERTIFIED, OKAY? BUT THOSE AIRPLANES WILL BE HERE FROM DAY ONE.

AGAIN, TO SHOW NOT ONLY OUR COMMITMENT TO THE ELECTRIC AIRPLANES.

I THINK WHEN THAT HAPPENS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE FOR YOURSELF HOW QUIET IT IS.

I'LL TAKE YOU FOR A FLIGHT. >> I'LL BE GLAD TO. I WISH I KNEW HOW TO FLY A

PLANE. >> HE'LL TEACH YOU. >> YOU'LL BE A BELIEVER.

>> I KEEP HEARING BY TEN YEARS. OR MAYBE SEVEN YEARS YOU SAID. BUT THAT MEANS THESE 13 OR 14 PLANES THAT YOU INTEND TO HAVE AND THE STUDENTS FOR THE FLIGHT SCHOOL, THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE MORE NOISE THAN WE HAVE. THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN'T. THEY'RE GOING TO BE USED MUCH

MORE THAN OUR LOCAL TRAFFIC. >> THAT'S RIGHT. I'M NOT SAYING WE'LL MAKE LESS NOISE FROM DAY ONE. I'D BE LIE. IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN HAVING ADDITIONAL 14 AIRPLANES ON A RAMP FLYING IN. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME MORE

NOISE. THAT'S CORRECT. >> IF IT'S A SCHOOL, THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING IT CONSTANTLY. IT'S GOING TO BE A CONSTANT THING.

FERNANDINA, THE ISLAND, IN MY OPINION, AND I THINK MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS OPINIONS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR YOU LIVE FROM ME. THIS SMALL ISLAND IS NOT THE PLACE WE THINK A FLIGHT SCHOOL SHOULD BE. I THINK YOUR IDEA OF YOUR CORPORATION AND THE QUALIFICATION OF YOUR MEMBERS AND YOUR BUSINESS ACUMEN IS WONDERFUL. I THINK IT'S A GRAND IDEA TO HAVE A FLIGHT SCHOOL AND FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE ONE IN FLORIDA. NOT IN FERNANDINA. BECAUSE OF WHAT OUR ISLAND REPRESENTS TO SO MANY PEOPLE. IT REALLY DOES. WE FOUGHT THE LAST NOISE.

WE FOUGHT THE LAST NOISE PROBLEM. WE FOUGHT IT HARD.

WE FOUGHT THEM OUT OF TOWN, AS FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. >> LET ME HELP THE ROOM, TOO.

THE WAY THIS PROCESS WILL RUN PUBLIC COMMENT, EVERYBODY WILL GET THREE MINUTES.

WE ASK YOU TO GIVE YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'LL MOVE ALONG.

JUST SO EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE. I'M GOING TO START THE THREE MINUTES.

THESE GUYS ARE HUNGRY. THEY WANT TO GO HOME AND EAT. >> I WANT TO, TOO.

I'M GOING TO HAVE POPCORN. YOU PUT UP ON THE SCREEN SOMETHING ABOUT BRINGING $10 MILLION WORTH OF EQUIPMENT AND ALL THAT STUFF, LIKE THAT WAS GOING TO BE ADDED REVENUE FOR OUR CITY. I CAN SEE ANY OF IT. I DOUBT THE MAJORITY WOULD COME FROM THE CITY AND BE REVENUE TO OUR CITY. BY THE WAY, I UNDERSTAND FROM

WHAT YOU PUT ON THE SCREEN. CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? >> YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

BESIDES THE LOCAL THINGS WE'RE BUYING HERE. IF YOU'RE BUYING AIRPLANE, NOBODY IS BUILDING AN AIRPLAE AT FERNANDINA BEACH. JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES WHETHER THEY'RE UNITED, DELTA, AIR BUS, BOEING, I'D HAVE TO GET THOSE AIRPLANES AND BRING THEM HERE. IT'S NO DIFFERENT. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HIRING PEOPLE, BRINGING SOME PEOPLE IN, HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT, SOURCE THEM HERE AT FERNANDINA BEACH. WE WILL NOT START OFF 100% OF PEOPLE OR SUPPLIES.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THOSE STUDENTS AND PEOPLE WE'RE BRINGING IN LIVING IN THE COMMUNITY, EATING, LIVING, PAYING RENT, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S ALL GOING INTO YOUR

COMMUNITY. >> THAT'S A MAX OF 130 STUDENTS? >> MAYBE.

>> MAYBE. PROBABLY START WITH 30, MAYBE 50.

I THINK FOR THE REVENUE THAT I HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT BECAUSE OF BUYING, LEASING THE LAND, MIGHT GIVE US $30,000 TO $40,000 A YEAR. I DON'T THINK THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY ARE GOING TO WANT TO TAKE $30,000 OR $40,000 A YEAR HARD COLD CASH.

I'M SPEAKING FOR NEIGHBORHOODS. I'M SPEAKING FOR ABOUT 12 NEIGHBORHOODS.

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WE'RE GOING TO RALLY AGAIN. I THINK YOU SHOULD COME BACK IF YOU WANT TO IN FIVE YEARS WHEN YOU'VE GOT THESE PLANES, WHEN YOU GOT THE PLANES AND GOT THE PLAN AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE NOISE IS AND PRESENT IT AGAIN TO OUR ASTUTE ADVISORY BOARD FROM THE AIRPORT.

I DON'T FLY PLANES. I DON'T FLY FAR IN PLANES. I'LL JUST BE HONEST WITH YOU.

I KNOW WE HAVE TO HAVE AIRPLANES. I THINK PLUG IN AIRPLANES WILL BE GREAT. I SUSPECT I WON BE HERE WHEN THEY'RE GOING FULL FORCE.

BUT COME BACK WHEN YOU'VE GOT ALL THAT EQUIPMENT AND YOU HAVE IT ALL IN PLAN AND TALK TO THE BOARD AGAIN AND SEE IF OUR OPINION HAS CHANGED. AND THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY.

THEY'RE FROM HOW THEY WERE HANDED TO ME. SHERYL WITT.

>> THANKS FOR COMING. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. MY NAME IS SHERYL WITT, 4402 TITLIST DRIVE. I'M CAROL'S NEIGHBOR. AND I'M A FERNANDINA BEACH RESIDENT. I LIVE PARKWAY NORTH WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE AIRPORT.

I KNEW WHEN BUYING MY HOUSE, THAT I WAS BUYING IT NEAR AN AIRPORT, A SLEEPY LITTLE ISLAND AIRPORT. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SEVERAL THINGS.

OF COURSE, NOISE. MY QUALITY OF LIFE. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PERCEPTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL THE WONDERFUL TOURISTS THAT LAY OUT ON OUR BEACH BECAUSE WE ARE A BEACH COMMUNITY MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. I'M CONCERNED AND HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INCREASE IN BUILDING AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY FOR PULLING DOWN MORE TREES TO BUILD MORE HANGAR SPACE. BUILDING MORE APARTMENTS TO HOUSE THE 200 PEOPLE THAT THIS MIGHT BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE TEACHERS AND MECHANICS AND MAINTENANCE PEOPLE, AS WELL AS THE STUDENTS THEMSELVES.

WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF RENTAL PROPERTY AVAILABLE THAT IS AFFORDABLE.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NATURE AND TRANSITORY NATURE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN.

THEY'RE NOT PERMANENT NEIGHBORS TO US, FOR THE MOST PART, SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE WEAR AND TEAR ON OUR AIRPORT INFRASTRUCTURE, WHAT THIS WILL DO TO RUNWAYS. WILL WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE INCREASED TRAFFIC AND WILL WE HAVE TO RESURFACE, REBUILD, WHAT THAT IS GOING TO BE ONGOING. SO THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE. AGAIN, I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY COOL IDEA, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT AN ISLAND, OUR SMALL ISLAND, IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THIS.

I WOULD LIKE TO FLY IN AN ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT. THAT WOULD BE REALLY COOL.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THEY SOUND LIKE. SO I'M GOING TO START GOOGLING AND SEE IF I CAN FIND SOMETHING. BECAUSE PROMISES OF SEVEN YEARS, TEN YEARS DOWN THE LINE, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO WAIT THAT LONG FOR IT TO GET QUIET AGAIN. SO THAT IS MY MAJOR CONCERN IS

THE INCREASED TRAFFIC BUILDING AND NOISE. >> SURE.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. >> RIGHT ON TIME.

>> I THINK MARGRET KIRKLAND, IS THAT RIGHT? WAS I CLOSE? DID I GET THE NAME RIGHT, THOUGH? OKAY.

>> I'M MARGRET KIRKLAND 1377 PLANTATION POINT DRIVE. RIGHT NOW YOU SAID WE HAVE A FEW PLANES COMING AND GOING IN THE MORNING FOR TRAINING AND MAYBE SOME IN THE AFTERNOON.

ALREADY, I LIVE ROUGHLY TWO MILES FROM THE AIRPORT. EVERY PLANE THAT COMES IN AND

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OUT OF THE AIRPORT OR FLIES OVER THE ISLAND WE HEAR. OKAY? WE HEAR EVERY ONE. IN FACT, ABOUT, MAYBE HALF AN HOUR OR AN HOUR BEFORE WE CAME TO THIS MEETING, I ALMOST GOT KNOCKED OUT OF MY CHAIR BY A JET THAT WAS FLYING OVER MY HOUSE.

SO THE NOISE IS A HUGE ISSUE. AND TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD IS MEANINGLESS TO US BECAUSE THIS IMPACTS OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. THIS IMPACTS OUR -- OUR INVESTMENT IN THE ISLAND.

OUR PROPERTY VALUES. SO THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT WE HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM ON THE ISLAND, BOTH IN THE COUNTY AND CITY PARK WITH LOW COST HOUSING.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE NOW. YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THIS, WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVING ON THE ISLAND. SOME OF THEM EMPLOYED.

MANY EMPLOYED, BUT THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO LIVE. WE HAVE NO SPACE ON THIS SMALL ISLAND FOR STUDENT HOUSING. I'M SORRY, BUT WE DON'T. I'M FINE WITH INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS. I HAVE SPENT MY LIFE WITH INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE HOUSING. I'M ALL CHAIR OF AMELIA TREE CONSERVANCY.

WE NEED EVERY TREE ON THIS ISLAND TO PROTECT US FROM STORM, TO KEEP THE TEMPERATURE REASONABLE ON THIS ISLAND AND WE DO NOT WANT ANYONE CUTTING TREES FOR HANGARS WHICH JUST EXACERBATE THE HEAT FACTOR AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT'S MY VIEW ON THAT.

>> PLEASE. LET'S NOT HAVE APPLAUSE. THIS ISN'T A CONTEST OR

ANYTHING. NEXT IS MIKE MEADOW. >> EVERYTHING'S ALREADY BEEN

SAID. >> JEFF SHULER. >> I HAVE NEVER COME TO ONE OF

THESE. >> JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

>> I'M JEFF SHULER MARSH LAKES DRIVE. NOT ON THE ISLAND BUT DON'T HOLD THAT AGAINST ME. I'M A PILOT. I HAVE GOT A PLANE AT THE AIRPORT. I AGREE WITH THE NOISE CONCERNS BECAUSE I'M RIGHT ON THE FLIGHT PATH FOR ALMOST ALL THE RUNWAYS. I GET DOWNWIND TRAFFIC OR BASE TRAFFIC OR TRAFFIC FOR ABOUT ANY RUNWAY OUT THERE. MY QUESTION, THIS WOULD BE A COMMENT FOR THE BOARD AND WHO EVER IS LOOKING AT A CONTRACT WITH AGILEIS. WHAT KIND OF CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS CAN YOU PUT ON THEM? ELECTRIC SOUNDS GOOD. BUT WHAT CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS CAN YOU PUT IT IN A CONTRACT THAT SAYS THEY HAVE TO DO IT? IF THEY DON'T DO IT BY SUCH AN SUCH A TIME, THEY LOSE THEIR OPERATIONAL CAPABILITIES? THAT'S ONE QUESTION.

SECOND QUESTION, AS A PILOT AND SOMEONE WHO FLIES OUT OF THIS AIRPORT A LOT, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT TURNING THIS INTO A CLASS DELTA AIRPORT. IT MEANS THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF CONTROL TOWER CAPABILITY. AS THEY ELUDED TO, TO GET THE FLIGHT OPS THEY NEED, THEY NEED A TOWER. THEY CAN GO TO CRAIG OR SOMEWHERE EL OUTLYING BUT EVENTUALLY YOU'D WANT TO HAVE A TOWER AT FERNANDINA BEACH TO DO THAT TRAINING.

WHENEVER YOU BRING A TOWER IN, YES, ABSOLUTELY, GOING TO MAKE FLIGHT OPERATIONS SAFER.

NO QUESTION. BUT IT'S GOING TO BRING MORE TRAFFIC.

IT WILL MAKE PEOPLE WHO ENJOY COMING TO A NONTOWER FIELD. I GOT MY CHOPS FLYING OUT OF ONE OF THE MOST BUSY GENERAL AIRPORTS IN THE COUNTRY, PK IN ATLANTA.

I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO FLY IN A HEAVILY TRAFFIC TOWERED FIELD. IT'S VERY SAFE.

IT ALSO LIMITS YOUR FLEXIBILITY AND LIMITS THE FREEDOM OF BEING ABLE TO FLY WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS I MOVE HERE. TO HAVE THAT FREEDOM AND HAVE A SLOWER AIRPORT THAT I COULD USE WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT THE RESTRICTIONS AND THE CAPABILITIES THAT A TOWER BRINGS TO THE AIRPORT. THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN ABOUT BRINGING IN AN OPERATION LIKE

THIS. >> THANK YOU. >> THANKS.

>> NEXT ELIZABETH CUBAN. >> MY NAME IS ELIZABETH HUBAN 4615 MANOR PLACE IN THE AMELIA

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CITY NEIGHBORHOOD. I ALSO OWN PROPERTY INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

MOSTLY, I JUST HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THIS REALLY WORKS OUT IN REAL LIFE.

PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO THE STUDENTS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING HOW

MANY STUDENTS IN THE FIRST YEAR? >> FIRST YEAR PROBABLY ANYWHERE I THINK I MENTIONED 30 TO 50

PROBABLY THE END OF THE FIRST YEAR. >> ARE THEY IN A PROGRAM FOR ONE YEAR AT A TIME, SIX MONTHS, BY SEMESTER? HOW LONG ARE THEY HERE?

>> GREAT QUESTION. WHAT WE ANTICIPATE OR WHAT WILL BE A SCHOOL THAT'S MORE STRUCTURED THAN SMALL OPERATIONS. SO WHAT THAT WILL BE, OUR FULL ATTENTION IS TO BE AFFILIATED WITH A MAJOR UNIVERSITY. MAJOR UNIVERSITY AUBURN, WHATEVER ELSE, WHAT THEY ARE ABLE TO DO IS HAVE A PROGRAM. USUALLY THEIR AVIATION SCIENCES DEGREE THAT'S USUALLY A FOUR YEAR PROGRAM. SOME OF THOSE STUDENTS IN A PROGRAM LIKE THAT WOULD BE HERE FOUR YEARS FLYING IN AND OUT. WE ALSO PLAN ON HAVING A PARALLEL PROGRAM ALSO IN A 141 SCHOOL. WHAT WE'RE FINDING OUT, THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO A CAREER CHANGE, LATE 20S, EARLY 30S.

THEY SAY I ALREADY GOT MY FOUR YEAR DEGREE. I NEED TO GET MY CERTIFICATE.

CAN I DO THAT IN 12, 14 MONTHS? THERE'S GOING TO BE IMPACTS. YOU HAVE AFFILIATION WITH MAJOR UNIVERSITIES. THEY'RE GOING TO DO FLIGHT TRAINING HERE.

SOME PEOPLE WILL BE ON A PATH BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE THAT DEGREE.

AIRLINES WON HIRE YOU WITHOUT A FOUR YEAR DEGREE. THEY'RE GOING TO WANT THAT.

EITHER THE ONES WHO COME HERE WITH A DEGREE OR ONES GOING THROUGH AFFILIATED WITH A MAJOR UNIVERSITY. IT MAY NOT BE AS TRANSIENT AS YOU THINK.

WE'LL FIND THAT OUT. >> I'M ON THE NASSAU COUNTY COMMITTEE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRANSIENT ISSUE PER SE AS I AM, I WILL TELL YOU STRAIGHT UP WE DON'T HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS COUNTY.

WE DON'T HAVE AFFORDABLE STUDENT HOUSING IN THIS COUNTRY. I'M NOT REAL SURE AFTER TWO YEARS ON THE COMMITTEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE. THE OTHER QUESTION, IS THERE SOMEBODY THAT I CAN GO TO OBSERVE WHAT YOU DO AS A CORPORATION? IS THERE AN AIRPORT THAT I CAN GO TO IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHERE YOU OPERATE SO I CAN SEE LIVE AND IN LIVING COLOR HOW THIS IS GOING TO PLAY OUT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD?

>> THE ANSWER IS NO BECAUSE THIS IS A BRAND NEW VENTURE. WHAT WE ARE DOING, WILL GIVE YOU AN ANSWER TO THAT, WE ARE PATTERNING THIS AFTER THE PROGRAM SET UP AT WESTERN MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY. WE'RE PRETTY MUCH CAN REPLICATE WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

IT'S ALREADY A PROVEN MODEL WITH A PROVEN TRACK RECORD. >> SO I HAVE GOT TO GO TO

MICHIGAN IN THE WINTER. >> THANK YOU. TIM MCELHANEY.

>> MY NAME IS TIM MCELHANEY. I LIVE ON FIRST AVENUE IN FERNANDINA BEACH.

I'M A PILOT AND HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE FLYING AROUND HERE. MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR ME IS MR. EDIN'S POINT ABOUT SATURATION. IT WAS SPOKEN TO BY THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. TO BE VERY RESPONSIBLE ABOUT HOW WE DO THIS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN IRON CLAD SOLUTION FOR AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL IN OUR AIR SPACE.

TO THINK FLORIDA OR THE ARMY NATIONAL GUARD WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT CONTROL, I THINK IT'S UNREALISTIC. I HAVE FLOWN WHEN THEY'RE HERE. IT'S NOT THE SAME AS AN FAA CONTROL ROOM. THESE ARE MILITARY RESERVISTS WHO ARE PLANNING TO GO INTO AN AIR FIELD IN, LET'S SAY, IRAQ, IF THERE WAS TO BE A WAR THERE AND HANDLE MILITARY AIRCRAFT.

IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM CIVILIAN AVIATION. ESPECIALLY IN A TRAINING ENVIRONMENT LIKE IS BEING PROPOSED. SO I THINK REALLY, CRAIG'S NOT A GOOD OPTION. CRAIG IS ALREADY SATURATED. YOU DON'T WANT TO SEND YOUR STUDENT THERE. IT'S JAMMED UP. THERE'S TWO FLIGHT ACADEMIES THERE. QUESTION FOR YOU. IN YOUR MIX OF AIRCRAFT, SIX

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WING AIRCRAFT -- I'M SORRY, THE SMALL AIRCRAFT. DO YOU NEED A JET TO TRAIN A

STUDENT PILOT? >> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU DON'T.

BUT WHAT WE ARE SEEING AND WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS OUTSIDE THE BOX APPROACH, WE'RE OFFERING SOMETHING THAT NO ONE ELSE DOES IN THE WHOLE U.S. IF WE DO IT AFFORDABLY, WE SAW IT IN TRAINING AND FLIGHT STANDARD OPERATION, STUDENTS COMING TO AOU NIGHTED OR DELTA, AMERICAN. MY WIFE FLIES AMERICAN. STUDENTS THAT COME OUT OF DIFFERENT SCHOOLS JUST DON'T HAVE THE WEREWITHAL TO OPERATE THE SYSTEM.

THROW IN SOMETHING LIKE VERTICAL NAV, THINGS LIKE THAT. TAKING AN APPROACH THAT'S OUTSIDE THIS. WHEN I WAS AT THE CONVENTION FOUR WEEKS AGO, WE TOLD THIS TO ALL THE DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS OF AIRCRAFT, SIMULATORS, JEFFERSON, GARMIN, THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS THE MOST ORIGINAL APPROACH. WE'RE CONVINCED OF IT.

WE THINK THAT'S GOING TO WORK. >> 20 SECONDS. I JUST WANT TO SAY MY GRANDSON LIVES HERE. THEY HAVE A GREAT PROGRAM AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.

CAN HE COME TO YOUR ACADEMY TO GET HIS PILOT'S LICENSE? >> YES.

>> THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS. >> I WANT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, JUST FOR THE FLYING COMMUNITY. THE ARMY NATIONAL GUARD COMPLETELY SEPARATE DISCUSSION.

I KNOW IT KEEPS COMING UP AND IF THEY HAVE INTEREST. AS FAR AS THE CONTROLLERS GO, I'M AN EX-MILITARY CONTROLLER. MAJORITY OF THEM WORKING BY DAY, THEY ARE FAA CONTROLLERS.

MOST OF THE CONTROLLERS THAT END UP IN THE FAA COME FROM THE MILITARY.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S NOT OFTEN KNOWN. THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT. I WAS IN THE AIR FORCE. IF YOU FLEW IN THERE, YOU'RE

TALKING TO MILITARY CONTROLLERS. >> YOU'LL HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE FAA FOR THIS TO BE DONE?

>> YOU BET. I JUST DIDN'T WANT THERE TO BE A PERCEPTION THAT THEY ARE JUST

FLY BY NIGHT. IT'S ALL CERTIFIED BY THE FAA. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, POINT OF ORDER.

I'M GETTING TEXTS FROM FOLKS WATCHING AT HOME. WHEN YOU ANSWER A QUESTION, COULD YOU BE AT THE PODIUM? THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THEY CAN'T HEAR HIM OR SEE HIM.

IF YOU COULD BE AT THE PODIUM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> CANDICE WHITNEY.

>> CANDICE WHITNEY 1720 BLUE HERON LANE. QUESTION.

WILL THERE EVER BE SOMETHING LIKE ADVERSARY AIR TRAINING? >> NOT HERE IN FERNANDINA BEACH,

NO. >> OKAY. >> I THOUGHT I MADE THAT POINT.

>> IF YOU COULD STEP TO THE PODIUM. PEOPLE AT HOME COULDN'T HEAR.

>> IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE QUESTIONS MAYBE LIST THEM OUT FOR HIM.

>> JUST THERE WILL NEVER BE THE EQUIVALENT OF A FIGHTER JET TRAINING HERE? IT WILL ALL BE VERY CALM, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL, BIRDS FLYING OVER?

OKAY. GOOD. >> I'LL ANSWER THAT.

FOR THE VIEWING AUDIENCE. GREAT QUESTION. I THOUGHT I MADE IT.

MAYBE I WASN'T CLEAR AT THE BEGINNING. AT AGILE DEFENSE, WHAT WE DO, SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS. FIGHTER JETS AT FERNANDINA BEACH ARE NOT AN OPTION.

THEY WILL NEVER COME HERE, NOR WILL ANY OF THE OTHER AIRPLANES. THIS IS STRICTLY GENERAL

AVIATION TRAINING AIRCRAFT. >> I THINK THAT'S ALL THE LIST OF --

>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? >> YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR NAME ON A PIECE OF PAPER.

>> YES, MA'AM. COME ON UP, PUT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> YOU CAN FILL IT OUT AFTER. >> IT'S SHARON WILSHIRE BERTO, I LIVE AT 1703 MCARTHUR STREET IN FERNANDINA BEACH. NO OFFENSE, WE'RE ACTUALLY A VERY FRIENDLY ISLAND.

I'M A MEMBER OF CONSERVE AMELIA NOW. OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS, LIKE

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THESE LADIES HAVE EXPRESSED, THE NOISE AND THE OVERDEVELOPMENT. WE'VE HAD TO FIGHT A LOT OF ISSUES HERE LATELY. I GREW UP HERE. IT'S CHANGING FROM THE TIME I WAS A LITTLE GIRL. NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT DEVELOPMENT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH LAND.

THERE'S ONLY SO MANY TREES. THIS JUST CAN'T KEEP GOING ON AND ON AND ON.

I'M SURE YOU ARE A PERFECTLY NICE MAN. YOU GAVE A GREAT PRESENTATION.

OUR CONCERNS ARE LEGITIMATE AND WE LOST THE AMELIA BLUFFS THING. ALL THE POLITICIANS TELL US TO COME AND GET INVOLVED AND LET OUR VOICES BE HEARD, YET WHEN WE DO THAT WE GET SLAPPED DOWN OR MADE FUN OF OR MOCKED IN PUBLIC LIKE MY SISTER WAS AT THE TAX MEETING.

THAT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM. MY BIG CONCERN IS THE OVERDEVELOPMENT, THE LOSS OF TREES THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR ISLAND AND IF IT CAN HANDLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE ALL OF THOSE WONDERFUL TOWN HOMES THAT WE GOT NOW ON 14TH AND LATTIMORE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD BE AFFORDABLE FOR STUDENTS. THAT WAS ANOTHER BOONDOGGLE.

THAT WAS MY CONCERN. I THINK IT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN FOR EVERYBODY HERE.

IT NEEDS TO BE APPROACHED SINCERELY AND SERIOUSLY. THANK YOU.

>> I THINK THAT'S ALL. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WHAT DID YOU SAY THE COUNT WOULD

BE A DAY? >> INITIAL SORTY COUNT A DAY, INITIAL OPERATIONS OF MINIMUM 30 BUT GOING FROM 30 UP TO 70. SO SOMEWHERE THERE. AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO PHASE THESE AIRPLANES IN. NOT ALL 14 GOING TO SHOW UP ON DAY ONE.

IT WILL TAKE SIX TO 12 MONTHS BEFORE WE GET THAT. >> ACCORDING TO THE TRAFFIC COUNT, THAT'S 123 A DAY. IF YOU SPREAD THAT 70 OUT OVER TEN HOURS THAT'S SEVEN MORE AN HOUR. WHAT'S THE PERCENT THERE? I DON'T KNOW.

>> A SORTY -- >> TOUCH AND GO, LITTLE APPROACH, DEPARTURE, ARRIVAL.

>> DO YOU HOLD A 142 CERTIFICATE? >> 141 CERTIFICATE? WE DON'T. WE'RE PURSUING THAT AS WE SPEAK AS PART OF OUR BUSINESS PLAN TO GO OUT AND GET THAT CERTIFICATE. YOU CAN DEVELOP IT YOURSELF WITH THE FAA.

COULD TAKE MONTHS FROM SIX TO 12. OR WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT BUYING AN EXISTING 141 OPERATION SOMEWHERE IN FLORIDA AND JUST TAKING THAT CERTIFICATE AND

BRINGING THAT OPERATION HERE. >> SAME THING WITH THE 135? >> SAME THING WITH THE 135.

HAVE WE IDENTIFIED SOLUTIONS TO EVERY ONE? MOST WE HAVE.

WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED AND SOURCED A NUMBER OF POSSIBLE VENTURES, THE 141 OPERATIONS NOW

TO GO OUT AND PURCHASE. >> DOES ANYONE IN YOUR MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE PROHIBITED

FROM HOLDING A POSITION IN A 135 OR 141 OPERATION? >> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

WOULDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA. >> I'M TALKING SAFETY. >> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

>> I WOULD RECOMMND TO THE AIRPORT YOU REVIEW YOUR NOISE PROCEDURES.

AND SEE IF THEY DON'T NEED TO BE POLISHED UP TO EMBRACE THIS TYPE OF OPERATIONS.

>> WHAT I HAVE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR, MAYBE I'LL GO DOWN THE LIST OF CONCERNS FROM THE AC WHICH IS SATURATION LONG TERM IMPACT THERE. BETTER INFORMATION ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS OF THE GROUP. AIR SPACE SATURATION CONNECTS TO THE COMMUNITY WE'VE HEARD ABOUT WHICH IS NOISE AND IMPACT OF THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE NOISE ABATEMENT PROCEDURES FOR THE AIRPORT. IN GENERAL WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. IF THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE A PROPOSAL, YOU BET I'LL MAKE A

LIST OF THOSE CONCERNS TO UNDERSTAND IT. >> ALSO ELECTRICAL VERSUS DECREASE OF THE PISTON. I WANT TO SEE A GROWTH IN BATTERY AND DECREASE IN PISTON.

>> NATE CAPTURED THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT EVERYBODY'S PUBLIC COMMENT, QUESTIONS FROM THE AAC.

THE REASON WE HAVE THESE MICROPHONES HERE, MICROPHONE AT THE PODIUM, ALL THAT INFORMATION

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IS CAPTURED AND TRANSCRIBED INTO THE MINUTES. MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH THAT WE REVIEWED AND APPROVED. ALL OF THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION.

WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE ON BOARD WHAT EVERYBODY HAS COMMENTED FROM THE AAC, FROM PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO, NATE, WAS GO THROUGH THIS AND

THEN LEAVE IT UP TO YOU -- >> WHAT I ASKED FOR WERE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.

WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE. THEY UNDERSTAND THE AIRPORT'S CONCERNS AND THE COMMUNITIES CONCERNS. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FORMAL TO HAND IN.

WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF THINGS YOU VOICED AND THE COMMUNITY VOICED THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS I NEED TO POINT OUT, IN YOUR FIRST SLIDE, YOU SAID THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL BRIEF. IS THIS THE FIRST TIME THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED OTHER THAN THE

CITY MANAGEER? >> RIGHT. CORRECT.

>> THIS IS A CONCEPT AND YOU'RE STILL WORKING ON FINE TUNING IT AND DECIDING WHAT YOU'RE GOING

TO DO. >> EXACTLY RIGHT. MAY I ADDRESS SOMETHING ON THE NOISE ISSUE THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT POINT AS FAR AS BOTH DEPARTURES AND ARRIVALS.

SOMETHING AGILE WILL COMMIT TO IS DEVELOPING WITH THE AIRPORT AND ALSO THE OTHER TENANTS HERE BUT PRIMARILY WITH THE CITY AND AIRPORT IS DEVELOPING AND DEFINING REGULAR AND WELL DEFINED DEPARTURE AND ARRIVAL CORRIDORS TO MINIMIZE IMPACT ON PEOPLE FLYING.

RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NONE. IF YOU DO AN IMMEDIATE TURNOUT OF TRAFFIC OVERFLY ANYTHING YOU WANT. WITH A DESIGNATED WE CAN PUT IN PLACE SOME DEFINED DEPARTURE ARRIVAL QUARTERS JUST ONE MORE STEP TO MITIGATE ANY NOISE PROBLEMS HERE.

SOMETHING THAT'S CURRENTLY ISN'T EVEN IN EXISTENCE HERE IN FERNANDINA.

>> THE WAY THAT WORKS, WE IDENTIFIED RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOW THEY CAN OPERATE IN THE COMMUNITY TO MINIMIZE IMPACT. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I GET FROM THE COMMUNITY, WHY CAN'T YOU TELL THE GUY TO FLY ANOTHER RUNWAY BECAUSE HE'S FLYING OVER MY HOUSE.

WINGS OFTEN DICTATE THE RUNWAY. I CAN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO FLY THIS BECAUSE IT MIGHT NOT BE SAFE.

THOSE GUIDELINES, THEY'RE STRONG RECOMMENDATION AND ARE OFTEN WELL POLICED.

IF THEY'RE DOING IT WITHOUT GOOD REASON, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY A CONVERSATION THERE.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING. >> THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.

>> WE STILL GOT A FEW AGENDA ITEMS TO GO THROUGH. 6 6.3. AND THANK YOU. EXPRESSING YOUR CONCERNS AND D - COMMENTS.

>> ASIDE FROM THE LAST ONE, I DON'T HAVE MUCH ON THE REPORT. IF YOU WANT TO TRUCK THROUGH

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THIS. >> LET'S GO THROUGH. >> KEEP TRUCKING.

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OKAY. LAST ITEM IS, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EXTENSIVELY PREVIOUSLY WITH INTEREST OF KERRY GILTS, WHO'S INTERESTED IN COMING IN PROVIDING HANGAR DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THE DEMAND FOR HANGARS AT THE AIRPORT. IN OUR INITIAL CONVERSATION WITH MR. GILTS, I CAN SHOW YOU THIS SLIDE. THEY INITIALLY CAME IN AND OUR FIRST CONVERSATION, LOOKING AT HANGARS HERE. THIS IS HANGAR B.

SO WEST OF HANGAR B THERE'S A GRASS FIELD HERE. THERE'S A SMALL FIELD HERE.

SO THEY KNOW WE HAVE ABOUT 50 INDIVIDUALS ON THE HANGAR WAITING LIST.

THEY KNOW WE HAVE GRANT FUNDING COMING. THEIR INTEREST IS PROVIDING DEVELOPMENT OF HANGAR AND RENTING THOSE FOR AIRCRAFT STORAGE.

SO INITIALLY THEY DID A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN ON BOTH OF THESE PARCELS.

THEY'VE SINCE SCALED BACK BUT STILL HAVE INTEREST IN MORE DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO DO, THIS PARCEL HERE THEY'RE PROPOSING DEVELOPMENT OF THESE THREE INDIVIDUALS. I SHOW THIS BECAUSE WHAT THEY ARE ALSO ASKING FOR, THIS IS JUST THE FLIGHT PLAN. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE LEASE.

WHAT THEY'VE ASKED, IS THERE A MECHANISM TO LEASE THIS LARGER PARCEL AND HAVE A PROCESS WHERE THEY'RE GIVEN A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THEY CONSTRUCT THESE HANGARS.

IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL AND IT PENCILS WELL, THEY GO FORWARD WITH DUE DILIGENCE TO DEVELOP ADDITIONAL HANGAR ON THIS PARCEL OR WE HAVE A PROCESS WHERE WE PULL IT BACK OUT OF THE LEASE AND TAKE IT BACK TO THE AIRPORT. THAT WOULD BE NEGOTIATED IN THE LEASE THAT WOULD COME FORWARD.

THEY WOULD BE PAYING LEASE. THEY HAVE TO LET US KNOW BY A PERIOD OF TIME.

SO THEY FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THEY COULD DEVELOP THESE THREE UNITS AND PERHAPS BE SUCCESSFUL.

THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THE PRICE RANGE WITH JUNIOR AN SENIOR HAS DISCUSSED POTENTIAL TO CONDUCT A MEETING WITH FOLKS ON THE HANGAR WAITING LIST, VERY OPEN.OUT PRICING, BEING - THEY WANT TO FIND A WAY TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROPOSE. THEY'RE GETTING READY FOR TRC WITH THIS FLIGHT PLAN.

THIS PARCEL, IF I ZOOM OUT, WE REWORKED OUR DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE AIRPORT.

YOU REMEMBER ROW HANGAR COULDN'T FEASIBLY BE BUILT EVEN THOUGH IT'S A STANDARD CONSTRUCTION TYPE. SOME THINGS THAT LIMITED THIS PARCEL ARE IF YOU'RE OUT AT THE AIRPORT AND YOU WANT TO GO IN THAT NORTHWEST CORNER, THERE'S A LARGE RETENTION POND HERE WHICH LIMITS DEVELOPMENT MOVING NORTH. THERE'S ALSO A WATER MAIN STRUCTURE WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT.

THAT HAD SOME IMPACT ON THEIR PLANNING AS WELL FOR THE SIGHT PLAN.

WE SHIFTED TO THESE. YOU HAVE THE FOUR UNITS. I GAVE YOU A WORD DOCUMENT THERE WHERE WE WENT THROUGH THE DESIGN CENTER. SAID WHAT ARE ITEMS THAT ARE IN CONFLICT AND/OR HAVE THEY MET REQUIREMENTS? I THINK THERE'S TWO ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION. ONE, OUR STANDARDS FOR DEVELOPMENT REQUIRE 25 FEET SET BACK FROM THE UNATTACHED LEASE HOLD BOUNDARY TO ANOTHER LEASE. WE DIDN'T CHANGE THAT IN THE STANDARDS THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE. THE PURPOSE FOR THAT, THE DRIVING PURPOSE BEHIND THAT WAS YOUR FIRE CODE FOR HANGAR CONSTRUCTION, 50 FOOT CLEAR AREA ON THE HANGAR CONSTRUCTION.

WHEN THAT WAS PUT IN THE STANDARDS, THEY WERE SAYING MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT.

YOU CAN PUT A FIRE WALL IN, FIRE BARRIER AND REDUCE THAT IF THE FIRE MARSHAL ACCEPTS IT.

WHEN THEY INITIALLY PROPOSE DEVELOPMENT, THEY WANTED TO PUT THE HANGAR FURTHER WEST TO ALLOW THAT SET BACK AND ENTERED A CHALLENGE HERE BECAUSE OF THE WATER MAIN AND THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT WAS TO GET TARTER FROM THE WATER MAIN.

IF SOMETHING HAPPENED, WE WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE. THAT DROVE THE CONVERSATION TO MOVE THEIR PROPOSAL TO THE EAST. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE STANDARDS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST A VARIANCE, BUT THEY'D PUT IN HERE A FIRE BARRIER THAT WOULD MEET THAT.

OTHER THAN THAT, GOING DOWN THE LIST, IT ESSENTIALLY MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS.

THE ONLY OTHER ITEM FOR DISCUSSION I PUT ON THAT NOTE, THEY HAVEN'T YET DETERMINED HANGAR SIZE, THE DIMENSIONS OF THE HANGAR DOOR. THERE'S STILL A CONVERSATION.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES HERE, IN OUR NEW STANDARDS WE PUT IN HANGAR DOOR REQUIREMENTS.

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WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE WHEN WE HAVE A HANGAR THAT WE CAN USE THEM FOR ALL TYPES OF AIRCRAFT. SOMEONE COME IN AND BUILD A SMALL DOOR AND THEN WE GET THE HANGAR BACK AND CAN'T DO MUCH WITH IT. THIS IS UNUSUAL BECAUSE THE POND LIMITED THE LENGTH OF THE HANGAR. IF YOU GO THROUGH TAIL HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS WHEN YOU LIMIT THE LENGTH OF THE HANGAR, YOU LOSE THE NEED TO HAVE A MUCH HIGHER HANGAR BECAUSE THE LENGTH IS THE LIMIT THERE. WHAT THEY'VE INDICATED, THEY HAVE LIKE A 14 FOOT DOOR ON THESE. OUR STANDARD REQUIRES FOR THAT WIDTH, A 60-FOOT DOOR. EITHER A VARIANCE OR WE TELL THEM IT'S GOT TO BE 16 FEET DOOR

HEIGHT REGARDLESS. >> I THINK YOU REALLY LIMIT YOURSELF IN THE FUTURE NOT ONLY THE END OF LEASE BUT LET'S JUST SAY THESE BOOKS, SAY THE PRODUCT WENT BANKRUPT, YOU END UP WITH THE HANGARS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. YOU REALLY LIMIT YOURSELF, YOU WANT THEM AS TALL AS YOU CAN. THEY'RE ONLY MAKING THEM TALLER, NOT SHORTER.

THAT'S MY TWO CENTS ON IT. >> WHAT ARE YOU THINKING HEIGHT FOR ELEVATOR STACKING?

>> TAIL HEIGHT. GETTING IT IN THE DOOR. >> THAT WAS THE PURPOSE WHEN WE PUT IN THE STANDARDS WAS TO MAKE SURE WE WOULDN'T LIMIT OURSELVES.

THE 35 FOOT LENGTH, WE DIDN'T THINK OF THAT ISSUE HAVING TO LIMIT THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING WHEN WE PUT THOSE THERE. YOU LOSE A FEW AIRCRAFT OFF THE LIST IF YOU GO TO 14 FOOT

HEIGHT. >> WHERE'S THE PARKING? >> THIS HERE IN OUR STANDARDS, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 50% OF THE UNIT. ROUNDED UP TO THE NEXT.

THERE'S TWO SPACES THAT WILL BE PLACED HERE ON THE WEST END. >> THEY WOULD HAVE ALL THREE FOR

THESE HANGARS? >> THIS WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE WHAT WOULD BE PROPOSED.

THEY WOULD BE ON A GROUND LEASE FOR THIS HERE. THEY WOULD MANAGE AND MAINTAIN THE HANGAR ON A LEASE COMPONENT. THE GROUND LEASE COMES BACK TO YOU.

>> I'M CONFUSED ON THIS LOCATION. IS THIS EXISTING TAXI LIKE

BRAVO? OH, THIS IS THE WEST SIDE. >> THEY WILL BE ABLE TO LEASE

THESE HANGARS OUT TO WHO EVER. >> YEAH. SO -- SO HANGAR STORAGE, WE HAVE MINIMUM STANDARDS SET TO PROVIDE COMMERCIAL STANDARDS. I DO ANTICIPATE OUR WAITING LIST IS PUBLIC RECORD. WE WANT TO HELP PEOPLE GET ACCESS TO HANGAR.

THEY'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS. I THINK THEY DID SOME DUE DILIGENCE FOR FEASIBILITY.

THEY FEEL CONFIDENT. THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT FEES THEY'RE INTERESTED IN, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S POTENTIAL BEFORE THEY CONSIDER IT. THE CASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT --

THIS LITTLE SECTION RIGHT HERE. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE ALP, THAT'S WHAT THE ALP SHOWS.

THAT'S FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE ALP WAS PROJECTED. >> IS THE EXISTING HANGAR THAT LAST ROW OF T HANGARS THAT WAS KIND OF ADJACENT THERE HERE. IS THAT WHAT I'M SEEING ON THE RIGHT SIDE? THIS THING WOULD POTENTIALLY OR THEY'RE PROPOSING A 15 FOOT

SETBACK INSTEAD OF 50. >> WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO DO THAT IS PUT THE FIRE BARRIER IN.

IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, IT'S A THREE HOUR FIRE BARRIER. >> DOES THE ADJACENT HANGAR HAVE

THAT FIRE BARRIER? >> IT DOES NOT. THE REQUIREMENT IS ONE SIDED FIRE BARRIER PROTECTION IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. THE ARCHITECT COULD SPEAK TO

THAT. >> FIRE BARRIER. >> CHRISTOPHER NORDONE.

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TO ADDRESS THE THING, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A THREE HOUR FIRE BARRIER.

IT WILL MAKE UP FOR WHAT THE OTHER HANGAR DOES NOW. >> SO ONE SIDE OF PROTECTION

BASED ON THE THREE HOUR COMPONENT. >> CORRECT.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> GOOD.

>> ANY PROBLEM WITH REMOVAL OF TREES? >> NO TREES.

>> THERE'S NONE. >> THERE'S GRASS. JUST GRASS.

>> REAL QUICK ON PARKING. IF THEY WOULD DRIVE DOWN WHAT I CALL THE T HANGAR.

THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN DO IT. >> YOU GOT THE POND ON THE BACK SIDE.

DEVELOP IT WITHIN PROBABLY SEVEN TO TEN FEET OF THE POND. I DON'T THINK YOU'VE GOT IT.

IT WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE TO PUT IN AN ACCESS THERE. ONE THING AS WE BUILT HANGAR ON THE AIRPORT, I THINK CONSIDERING THIS, ALTHOUGH WE ALLOW STORAGE OF CARS WHEN THE AIRPLANE IS PULLED OUT OF THE HANGAR, THIS ALSO, YOU'RE WORKING ON AN AIRPLANE, I DON'T THINK YOU'LL EXCEED THAT. IT'S REGIONAL. WHEN YOU'RE IN THE HANGAR THERE.

WE BUILD HANGAR, THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD HOLD YOURSELF TO THE RETIREMENT SO PEOPLE AREN'T

PARKING IN THE GRASS. YEAH. >> WHERE IS THE LOCATION OF THIS. THE LATEST DESIGN HERE. THERE'S NO IMPACT GOING WEST TO WHERE THE REDESIGNED FUEL IS. YOU HAVE A CLEAR BARRIER FIRE PROTECTION FOR HANGAR WHICH IS 50 FEET. THERE'S A SEPARATE LEVEL THAT GIVES SET BACK REQUIREMENTS TO FUEL PUMPS. IT'S LESS THAN THE CLEAR BARRIER FOR WHAT THEY CALL IMPORTANT BUILDINGS OR PROPERTY LINES SO THIS DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH SET BACKS.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT HURTING OURSELVES. >> YOU LOOK AT THE MOST CONSERVATIVE SET BACK, 50 FEET WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MOST CONSERVATIVE.

WE SPENT SOME TIME WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL. UTILITY DEPARTMENT WAS THERE, FIRE MARSHAL IN THE ROOM, STORM WATER WAS LOOKED AT AS WELL. THAT'S WHAT DROVE SOME OF THE

SHIFTING ON THEIR FEED BACK. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS, CONCERNS? >> I'D LIKE MAYBE WHAT I'D ASK FOR IS A RECOMMENDATION. THERE'S TWO PIECES. I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER YOUR POSITION ON THE VARIANCE WITH THE FIRE BARRIER, FIRE CODE. BECAUSE OUR STANDARDS SAY IT WILL HAVE 25 FEET FROM THE LEASE HOLD BOUNDARY. FROM A STACK PERSPECTIVE, I BELIEVE IT WAS DRIVEN BY THE NEED AND FIRE CONCERN IS NOT A CONCERN.

ALSO THE DOOR HEIGHT. FEED BACK AND MAYBE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT.

>> I WOULD SAY IT'S THE FIRE MARSHAL. CITY DOESN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH

THE FIRE CODE. >> LET'S TAKE A MOTION. >> THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY PROBLEM. I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THE VARIANCE.

>> OKAY. >> YOU'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. WHEN IT GETS TO T4C THEY'LL HAVE TO PUT A VARIANCE ON IT. THEY'LL ASK FOR A RECOMMENDATION.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR SO I CAN TELL THEM WE LOOKED AT IT. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION WE ACCEPT THE -- THAT WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO ACCEPT THE VARIANCE.

DOES THAT SATISFY YOU? >> AND THE DOOR HEIGHT. >> LET'S MAKE THEM SEPARATE.

>> RECOMMENDATION ON THE VARIANCE TO GET IT APPROVED. >> SECOND?

>> I SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR OF THE FIRE PROTECTION AS LONG AS IT'S IN

COMPLIANCE? >> AYE.

>> NEXT ONE IS DOOR HEIGHT. THEY ARE INTERESTED IN 14 FEET. CHRIS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GIVE ANY OTHER COMMENT TO THAT. 16 FOOT WOULD BE REQUIRED NOW IN THE STANDARDS. IF YOU GO 16 TO 14, YOU'LL LOSE FIVE OR SIX AIRPLANES ON A LIST OF WING SPANS. GO DOWN THE LIST OF ALL AIRCRAFT.

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FIVE OR SIX. >> GET BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO ADVISE NOT TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE TO MAKE THE DOOR SMALLER.

>> IS THAT A COST ISSUE DRIVING THAT? >> IT WILL INCREASE OUR COST.

>> I THINK 16 FEET IS BETTER. >> OKAY. >> THEN THE LAST PIECE, DID I

GET A MOTION OR SECOND? AND THEN A VOTE. >> ALL IN FAVOR?

>> AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL IN FAVOR OF NATE.

>> LAST ONE WOULD JUST BE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE SITE PLAN, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, BUT A RECOMMENDATION, BASED ON YOUR PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS, RECOMMEND APPROVAL BY TRC OF THE SIGHT PLAN. THAT'S ALSO CONTINGENT UPON YOU GETTING A GROUND LEASE. THAT'S NOT A SEPARATE DEAL SO WE'RE NOT CONFUSING THE MATTER.

>> MOTION AS NATE STATED. >> MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THE PLAN AS PRESENTED TO US.

>> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE.

>> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THAT TAKE CARES OF ITEM 6.

>> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. >> I HAVE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING WITH AGILE. MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS WOULD SHORTEN THE LIST. HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE IT?

>> IF THAT GOES THROUGH THAT WOULD BE THREE AIRCRAFT OFF OUR LIST, ROUGHLY.

UNLESS HE'S BRINGING ONE IN. IF THE FLIGHT ACADEMY TAKES HANGAR B, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO

THE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE IN THERE? >> THAT'S BEEN A LONGSTANDING CONCERN.

FOR AWHILE, WE TALKED ABOUT HANGAR B. WE TALKED ABOUT RENTING SPACE.

AS WE TOLD THEM, THEY'RE ON 30-DAY AGREEMENTS. IF A GOOD USE OF THAT HANGAR COMES ALONG, WE MAY HAVE TO LOSE SOME TENANTS. WOULD BE GREAT IF A USE CAME ALONG IF THEY'RE MANAGING THE HANGAR THEY CAN MANAGE SOME STORAGE.

YOU'RE RIGHT. NUMBER OF THOSE FOLKS ARE ALSO ON THE HANGAR WAITING LIST.

>> THAT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT TO ME. >> IT'S A CHALLENGE.

WE'VE GOT KIND OF A BATTLE THERE. SOME FOLKS HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE HANGAR LONG. YOU'VE GOT GOOD USE OUT OF THE HANGAR OFFICE SPACE AND HANGAR SPACE. IF THERE'S A NEED, WE'LL HAVE TO CONSIDER AND DISCUSS IT.

BOX HANGAR'S BEST USE WITH IT SITTING VACANT JUST TO PROVIDE THAT AIRCRAFT STORAGE? THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE WEIGHING. OR IS THERE A BETTER USE THAT WE

NEED TO CONSIDER FROM AN AIRPORT PERSPECTIVE? >> SOUNDS LIKE IF THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN, THEY PUT THEIR LIST FOR HANGAR SPACE, THEY GO TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST.

>> AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK WHAT WE WILL BE WEIGHING, IN ANY SERVICE PROVIDER CAME IN.

IF SOMEBODY CAME IN, WANTED TO DO FLIGHT MAINTENANCE AND/OR AVIONICS, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE THE

SAME DISCUSSION. >> YOU WOULD. >> YOU'RE BALANCING THE NEED OF THE AIRPORT WITH WHAT THEY HAVE. THAT'S WHY I HAVE BEEN WORRIED ABOUT THE RP.

WE GOT SPACE TRYING TO PREPARE. THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION GOING ON ABOUT HANGAR B USE.

>> THE AGREEMENT OF TENANTS IN THAT HANGAR IS DIFFERENT THAN B? >> THE HANGAR WAITING LIST IS

NOT FOR HANGAR SPACE. IT'S FOR INDIVIDUAL UNIT. >> NATE, THE KEY IS THE OFFICE SPACE HERE. IF YOU'RE JUST USING THAT TO PARK AN AIRPLANE, SOMEBODY WANTS TO SETTED UP A BUSINESS, TAKE OVER THE SPACE, THERE'S AN ECONOMIC DECISION.

>> THAT MAY BE A SERVICE DECISION. USER.

HANGAR. TO ME IT'S A BUSINESS MATTER. IT WOULD BEHOOVE YOU, ONE OF THE

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AIRPLANES IN THERE, CALL IT STORAGE, IF YOU WILL. IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT,

MAYBE GET ON THE LIST. >> OR WE COULD BUILD MORE T HANGARS.

>> WHICH FOR ONE MONTH WASN'T ON THE AGENDA. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> WE JUST SIGNED A GRANT FOR DEVELOPMENT FUNDS. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? DOES THIS PROPOSED THREE BOX HANGARS COME WITH -- DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE COST WILL BE?

>> THE RENTAL? >> YOU GOT TWO DIFFERENT SIZES THERE.

45 WILL BE HIGHER JUST BASED ON THE CAPABILITY. IN COMPARISON TO OTHER NEWER HANGARS OF THAT, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF YOU'RE 600. TO THE CREDIT OF THE DEVELOPER, IT'S A CHALLENGE TO PENCIL THAT IN. HANGARS AREN'T CHEAP TO BUILD.

WHAT I HAVE SEEN FROM OTHER HANGARS IN THE REGION, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT YOU'D EXPECT TO SEE. IF WE BUILT NEW HANGARS, YOU KNOW, NEW T HANGARS, WHAT MOST AIRPORTS DO, SETTING UP NEW HANGARS. I EXPECTED RENTAL AND NEW HANGARS TO BE GREAT. A NEWER T HANGAR COULD BE -- WE'D HAVE TO DO SOME ANALYSIS.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON ANY OF THE AIRPORT RELATED

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TOPICS? >> YEAH. I HAVE A QUICK ONE.

I ATTENDED A BASIC LIFE SAVING COURSE LAST WEEK. IT WAS A FOUR HOUR HOW TO USE AN AED, HOW TO DO CPR. IS THE AIRPORT SET UP FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IF WE HAD SOMEBODY FLEW IN OR ONE OF OUR TENANTS HAD A HEART TACT, WHERE IS THE AED MACHINE?

WHO DO WE CALL? >> IT'S AT THE GOLF COURSE. WHEN THE FIRE STATION GETS

BUILT. >> THAT WILL BE THE ANSWER. >> HANGAR PERSPECTIVE.

THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED. WE HAVE ONE IN OUR OFFICE. >> IT HAS TO BE UPDATED.

>> THERE'S PROBABLY AED'S ON ALL THE LARGE CORPORATE AIRCRAFT. >> THERE ARE.

>> HAVE YOU GUYS GONE THROUGH TRAINING? >> I HAVE.

>> IT WAS EYE OPENING. ANYWAY, TO ME, IT CAME INTO MY VIEW.

YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU HOPE YOU NEVER HAVE TO DO IT. AT LEAST YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHERE THE AED IS, HOW TO START THE

COMPRESSIONS. >> DO OTHER AIRPORTS HAVE THEM? DOES ANYBODY KNOW?

>> REALLY GOOD POINT. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AN AED THERE.

>> SOMEWHERE, YEAH. AS YOU'RE SITTING THERE, SOMEBODY CAN KNOW WHERE TO GO.

>> I DON'T KNOW THE QUESTION ON THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE IT. >> THAT'S A CITY QUESTION, IF

YOU THINK ABOUT IT. IT'S BIGGER THAN THE AIRPORT. >> YEAH.

I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION IF THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE IT.

>> WHEN I GO TO OTHER PLACES THERE'S ONE RIGHT THERE. TO ME IT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT.

ONE DAY IT MIGHT HAVE TO BE USED. >> I THINK AS A PUBLIC VENUE,

THERE SHOULD BE ONE THERE. >> EXACTLY. >> DO YOU NEED A MOTION FOR

THAT? >> YEAH. IF THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE ONE IN A COMMERCIAL FACILITY, IT WOULD BE THE AIRPORT PROVIDING ONE.

IF IT'S NOT REQUIRED, I WOULDN'T EXPECT WE'D HAVE TO PUT THAT IN. >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE AN AED AVAILABLE ON THE AIRPORT AND TENANTS ARE NOTIFIED WHERE IT IS AND HOW TO GET TO IT.

>> I SECOND THAT. >> THERE YOU GO. ALL IN FAVOR.

>> AYE. >> THOUGHT WE WERE DONE WITH MOTIONS.

>> I DID, TOO. >> WAS THAT A LIE?

>> SCUTTLE BUTT AROUND THE AIRPORT WOULD BE DON EDIN KNOW HOUSE TO YOU ONE.

>> ALL RIGHT. NEXT MEETING DATE -- >> 12TH.

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>> NATE? >> YES, SIR. >> I NEED AN DISCUSSED ABSENCE

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FOR NEXT MONTH'S MEETING. CAN YOU GET ONE? >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> 12/12. >> AN FOR PLANNING, UNLESS SOMETHING IS BURNING, THE ONLY THING THAT I THINK MIGHT BE ON THERE -- IF WE COULD PENCIL THAT IN.

>> BE QUICK. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

THANKS, EVERYBODY, FOR SITTING THROUGH AND PROVIDING YOUR

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