Feb 11, 2026 Planning Advisory Board

[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]

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MEMBER ROBUST? HERE. MEMBER STEVENSON? HERE. CHAIR DOSTER? HERE. VICE CHAIR FORHAN? HERE. MEMBER GANGER? HERE. MEMBER GILLETTE? HERE.

ALL RIGHT. NICK, YOU WANT TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE? SURE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE

[3.1 Approval of Minutes for the Regular Meeting of January 14, 2026.]

[5.1 (Legislative) - PAB 2025-0019 - CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH The City of Fernandina Beach requests a Land Development Code (LDC) Text Amendment to LDC Section 1.07.00 Definitions and Acronyms (fl sb 954 § 397.311), Table 2.03.02. Table of Land Uses, table 7.01.04(a). Parking Space Requirements and 6.02.00 creating Supplemental Standards for Specific Uses as it relates to new statutory requirements Florida Senate Bill 954 for certified recovery residences and updates to group home facility definitions and standards.]

MARGARET PEARSON, PLANNING MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF FERNANDINA. THIS IS CASE. PAB 20 25 0, 0, 19. WE STARTED THIS LAST YEAR. I'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.

THAT'S WHY THE DATE IS OF 2025. THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF FERNANDINA. THE REQUEST IS TO HAVE AMENDMENTS TO THE L.D.C. SECTION 1.07.00, TABLE 2.0302, TABLE OF USES, TABLE 70104A, PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENTS, AND THE CREATION OF SECTION 60209, CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENTS AND AMENDMENTS OF THE CURRENT SECTION 60216 GROUP HOMES.

THIS THE LOCATION WOULD BE COURSE BE CITYWIDE. SOME OF THE APPLICABLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES ARE OBJECTIVE 3.04 GROUP HOMES AND FOSTER CARE FACILITIES AND POLICIES 3.0 401 AND THROUGH 3.0 5 RELOCATION OF FACILITIES. SO WITH THAT, THIS IS PRETTY COMPLICATED AND SO BEAR WITH ME. I HOPE EVERYBODY'S HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THE LEGAL MEMO THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET. I THINK THAT KIND OF HELPS SIMPLIFY IT A LITTLE BIT, IF IT'S POSSIBLE.

BUT WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE SLIDE THAT I HAVE PREPARED FOR YOU TONIGHT. SO, DURING THE 2025 LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THE THE LEGISLATOR AMENDED THE SECTION, FLORIDA STATUTE 397.487, TO REQUIRE... THAT GOVERNING BODIES OF EACH MUNICIPALITY ADOPT THE ORDINANCE FOR THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENTS AND PROVIDE A PROCESS FOR REQUESTING A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION. IN ADDITION, THE VERSION OF 6.19.001 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE HAS BEEN, WHICH IS WHAT OUR WHOLE ORDINANCE IS BASED UPON, THE CURRENT SECTION HAS UNDERGONE SEVERAL UPDATES SINCE THE LD.C HAS BEEN UPDATED. AND IT INCLUDES EXPANDING THE DEFINITION OF A COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HOME. SO THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS, I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH THEM, ARE THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE, AND MOST OF THEM ARE STATUTORY, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE A LITTLE BIT DISCRETIONARY. SO WITH THAT, THE FIRST SECTION THAT WE AMENDED WAS THE DEFINITIONS. SO THE GROUP HOMES... DEFINITION HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO SAY THAT A GROUP HOME MEET.

WE TOOK OUT FACILITY BECAUSE THAT'S A WORD THAT WAS KIND OF CONFUSING A LITTLE BIT.

THAT MEANS A DWELLING UNIT LICENSED TO SERVE RESIDENTS WHO ARE CLIENTS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ELDERLY AFFAIRS AND THE AGENTS FOR PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUVENILE JUSTICE OR THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILD AND FAMILY ARE LICENSED BY AN AGENT FOR HEALTHCARE ADMINISTRATION.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DEFINITION WAS CLEAR AND THAT THE LICENSING OF THE FACILITY, HOW IT'S GOVERNED. WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR OF THAT IT WAS AT LEAST. HAS TO BE AT LEAST A FACILITY, HAS TO BE AT LEAST FOUR RESIDENTS, BUT NOT NOT ANY MORE THAN 14 RESIDENTS. SO THAT'S THE FIRST

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AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE FLORIDA STATUTE HAVE BEEN UPDATED TO EXPAND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HOMES, AND WE'VE REFERRED THOSE UNDER OUR GROUP HOME SECTION, BUT WE DID NOT DEFINE IT, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DEFINE WHAT THAT IS. AND SO THIS IS A SUBSECTION OF A GROUP HOME, BUT IT HAS TO HAVE AT LEAST SEVEN RESIDENTS AND NOT MORE THAN 14, OF COURSE. AND THEN IT'S GOVERNED BY THE SAME LICENSING AS THAT A GROUP HOME IS. AND THEN THE THIRD DEFINITION THAT WE ADDED IS BASED ON THE MANDATE THAT WE ALLOW FOR A CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCE. AND SO WE HAVE THIS DEFINITION THAT WE'VE ADDED, WHICH IS STRAIGHT. FROM THE FLORIDA STATUES. SO WE DIDN'T CREATE ANYTHING NEW, WE JUST KIND OF MADE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THEM PROPERLY.

THE NEXT SECTION THAT WE, OF COURSE, HAD TO MODIFY WAS THE CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCE, WHERE THEY COULD GO BASED ON SOME OF THE STATUES. AND IF YOU'LL READ IN THE STATUES, THEY TALK ABOUT THAT. THESE COMMUNITY RESIDENTS, WHICH CAN BE A CERTIFIED RECOVERY. HOMES, YOU KNOW, MUST BE ALLOWED IN SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH WE COVER UNDER GROUP HOMES, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY, THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN MULTIFAMILY. SO JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WHEN YOU'RE AT THE LEVEL OF A CERTIFIED RESIDENCE, RECOVERY RESIDENCE, THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED UNDER THESE MULTIFAMILY, WHERE MULTIFAMILY IS ALLOWED IN THESE ZONING DISTRICTS. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CLARIFY THAT.

AND THEN, JUST AS A COMPARISON, THESE ARE WHERE THE GROUP HOMES ARE ALLOWED. SO THEY'RE ALLOWED ALSO WHERE THE MULTIFAMILY ARE ALLOWED, BUT WHEN THEY'RE TRULY A GROUP HOME, UNDER THE DEFINITION OF GROUP HOME, THEY CAN GO IN RESIDENTIAL.

BUT THERE'S LOTS OF STANDARDS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT. SO THE THREE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS ARE BASED ON YOUR LICENSING AND HOW MANY YOU HAVE THERE. SO THAT'S KIND OF, AND WHEN WE GET AN APPLICATION, THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. SO I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHERE A REGULAR GROUP HOME IS ALLOWED. THE NEXT SECTION, WHICH IS THE LARGER SECTION, IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CERTIFIED RESIDENTS, RECOVERY RESIDENTS. SO THE DEFINITION, AND LET ME JUST BACK UP AND ADD THAT. WE DID PARTNER WITH AN EXTERNAL COUNSEL TO HELP US DRAFT THIS, AND WE SPENT MONTHS LOOKING AT IT. AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS LOOKED AT IT SEVERAL TIMES, AND WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE ARE MEETING ALL THE STANDARDS. SO WE HAVE A PURPOSE STATEMENT.

WE HAVE THE ESTABLISHMENT, HOW IT SHALL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED, WHAT THOSE STANDARDS ARE. WE SAY THAT CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENTS SHALL FURTHER COMPLY WITH ALL OF THESE REQUIREMENTS. THEY HAVE TO HAVE... THERE WE GO.

THAT THEY MUST HOLD A VALID CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE, THAT THEY SHALL COMPLY WITH THE FLORIDA STATUTES. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE AND THAT WHEN THEY APPLY, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT ALL THAT STUFF.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THEIR APPLICATION, THEIR LICENSE APPLICATION. WE WANT THEM TO CERTIFY THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THAT THEY HAVE PEER SUPPORT.

THEY WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE A BUFFER. WHEN THEY'RE AT THIS CERTAIN LEVEL AND THAT IT'S A NON-RESIDENTIAL AREAS MUST, THEY MUST NOT HAVE SIGNAGE SO THEY CAN'T CONTROL THE SIGNAGE. THE NEXT PART OF IT IS THE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS, CAN YOU NOT SEE IT? OH, IT'S NOT ON THE SLIDE THAT THE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS, THIS IS THE PROCESS. THAT IF AN APPLICANT FEELS THAT HE CANNOT GO INTO ANY OF THOSE MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS AND HE QUALIFIES AS A RECOVERY RESIDENCE, HE CAN APPLY TO BE CERTIFIED AND ASK FOR AN EXEMPTION. BASICALLY, TO BE ALLOWED IN ANOTHER ZONING DISTRICT, A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION.

AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT. HE HAS TO FILL OUT AN APPLICATION AND WHAT THE APPLICATION HAS, THE, WE'RE TELLING THEM WHAT HAS TO BE IN THE APPLICATION.

WE'RE TELLING THEM THE LOCATION, THEY HAVE TO SPECIFY THE LOCATION AND THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A STATEMENT OF THE NATURE OF THE DISABILITY. THAT THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE ACCOMMODATING BY GOING IN A DIFFERENT ZONING AREA, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. THIS IS

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CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF THAT? WHAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT? PERHAPS THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH AREA, THE SERVICE AREA, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE NEAR THEM THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO GO IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.

SO KEEP IN MIND, THERE'S SOME SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. SO THAT COULD BE A REASON. IT COULD BE REASON THAT THE AVAILABILITY OF PROPERTY IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT IS NOT ENOUGH. BECAUSE AS WE BUILD OUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SEVERAL REASONS WHERE THAT COULD OCCUR.

SO IF YOU TAKE THAT A STEP FURTHER, SO IF YOU ALREADY HAD ONE FACILITY ALREADY IN PLACE, BUT YOU HAD MORE DEMAND FOR IT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE OF THAT PERIMETER. THAT WOULD SEPARATE A NEW. NEW ORGANIZATION COMING IN WITH ANOTHER FACILITY, RIGHT? CORRECT? OKAY? THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO CITE THE PORTIONS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO. THAT'S PROHIBITING THEM FROM GOING IN THAT AREA. THAT WOULD BE THE WE WANT THEM TO TELL US WHY THE LDC DOES NOT ACCOMMODATE THEM.

WE COULD ASK FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THAT WE'VE DEEMED NECESSARY A SURVEY, SOME OTHER INFORMATION.

SETBACKS, SOME TOPO OF THE PROPERTY, JUST ANYTHING THAT WE FEEL LIKE THAT NEEDS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE A DECISION. WE MAKE THEM SIGN A CERTIFICATION THAT THEY'RE BEING TRUTHFUL AND AND THAT IT'S A SIGNATURE OF THE APPLICANT. YOU KNOW, IS ORIGINAL SIGNATURES AND DATES.

SO THEN ONCE WE GET THAT APPLICATION, THEN THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE COME WE'VE DECIDED ON IS THROUGH THE TRC. SO UPON WE UPON US RECEIVING THE APPLICATION, THE CITY WILL STAMP THE APPLICATION AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WITHIN 30 DAYS. IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE NEED FROM THEM, WE WILL, WE WILL NOTIFY THEM AND LET THEM KNOW. SO WE'RE BOUND BY THIS, BY STATUTE, TO DO THAT, AND THEN ONCE THAT HAPPENS AND WE'RE GOOD, THEN THE APPLICATION IS REVIEWED BY THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. AND THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE CAN MAKE A VISIT TO THE SITE, TO THE PROPERTY. THEY CAN UTILIZE WHATEVER RESOURCES THEY NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

AND THEN THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE SHALL NOT GRANT UNREASONABLE ACCOMMODATION UNLESS THEY MAKE THIS FINDING OF FACTS BASED ON CONFIDENT INFORMATION. SO IT'S NOT REALLY, I MEAN, IT'S BASED ON FACTS. THIS IS THE REASON WHY. THIS IS WHY WE'RE DOING IT. SO IT'S VERY, IT'S ALMOST LIKE. QUITE JUDICIAL, ALMOST, BUT IT'S NOT.

BUT IT'S ALL BASED ON FACTS, AND THEN WE ALSO SAY THAT THE WHAT THE FACTS HAVE TO BE BASED ON. AND THEN IT'S THE PORTION OF THE LD.C RULES OR REGULATIONS THAT IS SUBJECT OF PREVENTING THEM FROM GOING THERE. THE REASON ACCOMMODATION DOES NOT IMPOSE A UNDUE FINANCIAL OR ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN ON THE CITY. SO BY ALLOWING THEM TO GO IN IN ANOTHER AREA, THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT MAKE SURE IT'S NOT CAUSING AN UNDUE BURDENSOME TO US, TO ANY OF THE FACILITIES, POLICE, FIRE, UTILITIES OR ANYTHING.

AND THAT THE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION DOES NOT FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER THE ESSENTIAL NATURE OF THE CITY'S ZONING SCHEME.

YOU KNOW OF HOW WE'VE GOT IT LAID OUT, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT THE CHARACTER. AND SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE FINDINGS WE CAN.

ALSO. THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE CAN ALSO OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE LOCATION. THEY CAN SAY, WELL, WE AGREE WITH YOU THAT MAYBE YOU NEED AN ALTERNATIVE, BUT WE THINK THIS MEETS THOSE NEEDS. THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION. WE HAVE THAT OPTION THROUGH THE STATUTE TO OFFER THAT. AND THEN, WITHIN 60 DAYS OF THE TECHNICAL REVIEW, THE COMMITTEE MUST ISSUE A FINAL WRITTEN DETERMINATION WITHIN 60 DAYS. AS TO IF THEY'RE GOING TO DENY IT OR APPROVE IT.

WE'VE PROVIDED FOR AN APPEAL PROCESS. THE FINAL WRITTEN APPEALS, THEY WOULD GO TO CIRCUIT COURT. THERE'S A PROVISION FOR THE FEES. THE CITY CANNOT CHARGE FEES FOR THAT APPLICATION. THAT IS GOVERNED BY STATUTE AS WELL.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO PROVISION FOR THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS DESIGNEE TO REVOKE OR MODIFY THE PERMIT.

IF THEY DETERMINE THAT AFTER WE ISSUE IT, THAT FOR SOME REASON, THEY'RE NOT DOING WHAT THEY HAD APPLIED FOR. THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED THAT THERE'S AN OPTION FOR IT TO BE REVOKED OR MODIFIED. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE LAST

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AND FOR THAT REASON, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW THE STATUTES VERY CLOSELY AND NOT WAVER TOO FAR FROM THEM. WHEN STUFF THAT WE CAN. SO THEN I JUST WANTED, AND THEN WE. SO WE DIDN'T MODIFY THE GROUP HOME SECTION A LITTLE BIT, SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THAT. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE INFORMATION IS STILL THE SAME THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE ORDINANCE. WE DID FIND A REFERENCE IN THE COMP PLAN THAT WAS INCORRECT.

SO WE MODIFIED THAT WE ALSO WANTED TO DEFINE. SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE IN THE STATUE ABOUT THE SEPARATION WERE MISSING IN HERE. SO IT'S LIKE THE 01,200 FEET FROM ANOTHER EXISTING COMMUNITY RESIDENCE HOME IT WAS, IT WAS NOT LISTED. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE COULDN'T APPLY IT, IT JUST MEANS IT WASN'T CLEAR IN THE ORDINANCE. SO WE WANT MADE SURE WE UPDATED THAT INFORMATION AND WE ALSO UPDATED THE LICENSING OF HOW THOSE FACILITIES ARE LICENSE. AND THEN WE JUST KIND OF MADE SURE THAT THE DEFINITIONS ALIGN, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME DEFINITIONS THAT DIDN'T QUITE ALIGN. SO THIS IS STEMMING ALL FROM THE BILL, SENATE BILL.

YES, MA'AM, MR. CHAIRMAN, ARE YOU READY FOR QUESTIONS? WELL, YOU KNOW, I WAS WONDERING MORE SLIDES, YOU WHAT? OKAY? AND SO THEN THAT KIND OF COVERS THE SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS, HOW THE THE REVIEWS GOING TO OCCUR. SO THEN WE ALSO STARTED LOOKING AT WHETHER SECTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO PLUG IN THIS CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCE. SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE PARKING AND SO THESE FACILITIES CAN BE ALMOST MEDICAL FACILITIES. SO WE TRIED TO SEE WHAT WHERE IT WOULD FALL IN LINE, SO WE CAME UP WITH IT. IT FELL IN LINES WITH THE NURSING HOMES TYPE SCENARIO UNDER PARKING. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME, I'VE HAD DISCUSSION WITH ONE MEMBER ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

BUT WHAT WE DID IS, RIGHT NOW, THOSE TYPE OF FACILITIES, YOU KNOW, HAVE 1.25 SPACE FOR EACH BED AND A SPACE FOR EACH TWO EMPLOYEES. WHAT WE ADDED WAS FOR CERTIFIED RESIDENTS THAT THERE WAS ONE SPACE REQUIRED FOR EACH BED.

AND WE CAN HAVE SOME FURTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.

BUT WHICHEVER ONE IS GREATER.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE THAT, IF THERE'S, BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND, THESE FACILITIES CAN HAVE UP TO 14 RESIDENTS, RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE A DEMAND FOR PARKING, BUT IN SOME CASES, AT THE LEVEL OF CARE, THERE MAY NOT BE AS MUCH DEMAND. SO WE KIND OF TRIED TO FIND A HYBRID, RIGHT, AS WHAT WE COULD COME UP WITH THE PARKING. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED TO CHANGE. AND THEN THAT'S IT.

THAT WAS IT. THAT WAS ALL. SO THAT WAS YOUR MOTION HERE. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW. BEFORE WE GO TO QUESTIONS, TERESA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD NOW? YES, I WOULD LOVE TO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU'D GIVE ME A MINUTE. YES. THANK YOU. AS MS. PEARSON HAS POINTED OUT, WE DID ENGAGE KIRSTEN MOOD FROM NEIGHBORS, GIBLIN, AND NICKERSON. BECAUSE THIS SENATE BILL THAT WAS ADOPTED REQUIRED US TO DO THIS ON OR BEFORE JANUARY 1 OF 2026. WE ALL KNOW WHAT TODAY'S DATE IS, SO WE'RE A LITTLE LONG IN THE TOOTH ON THIS. AND SO WE WANTED TO BRING ON SOMEBODY THAT HAD SOME EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA, NOT THAT MS. PEARSON DOESN'T, BUT IN IMPLEMENTING NOT ONLY THE CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCES, BUT LOOKING AT OUR CODE BECAUSE OUR CODE WAS OLDER AND MS. PEARSON HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEFINITIONS. AND WE WEREN'T INCLUDING THE PROPER INFORMATION ABOUT LICENSURE.

SO AS TO A QUESTION EARLIER, THIS IS BROUGHT ON BY THE NEW LEGISLATION, BUT THEN, AS YOU SAW FROM YOUR MEMO, THAT WAS EXHIBIT A, AND KHM IS KIRSTEN MOOD. I REALIZED THAT SHE WAS DOING THAT TO ME, SO YOU GUYS DIDN'T REALLY REALIZE WHO THAT IS, BUT OF NEIGHBORS GIMLIN AND NICKERSON, SHE POINTED OUT THAT THE LEGISLATION FOR GROUP HOMES HAD CHANGED.

AND SO THAT IS WHY YOU DO SEE SOME DIFFERENCES WITH GROUP HOMES. AND THEN ALSO, LIKE WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT ONE DEFINED TERM IN CHAPTER 1, GROUP HOME FACILITY, MS. PEARSON WAS BEING VERY DIPLOMATIC. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT DOESN'T OCCUR ANYWHERE

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IT WASN'T IN THE... CHARTER IT WASN'T IN THE COMP PLAN. IT WASN'T IN THE IN THE CODE ANYWHERE, SO THAT WAS A CLARIFICATION THERE. AND THEN, TO MISS PEARSON'S POINT, THE DEFINITIONS ARE FROM THE STATUTE. NOW AGAIN, WE DID NOT ADD ANYTHING. THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS AND THE REQUIRED LICENSURE IS FLORIDA LAW. OKAY, SO JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT, AND THAT'S ALL I HAD TO ADD, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTOOD WHERE THESE CHANGES CAME FROM, AND IF THEY'RE NOT JUST SIMPLY RELATED TO CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENTS, THAT'S BECAUSE.

OUTSIDE COUNSEL, AND I'VE REVIEWED IT AS WELL, SAW CHANGES THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE. BECAUSE THE SECTIONS WERE JUST, HAD NOT BEEN AMENDED IN A VERY LONG TIME. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I GOT ONE.

LET ME THROW THIS ONE AT YOU, TERESA, JUST FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, I GUESS FROM... WHAT I KNOW, OR WHAT I DON'T KNOW, IS I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE SOME OF THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES ALREADY IN PLACE IN THE CITY OR NOT. I HAVE A COUPLE CONCERNS. ONE, IS IT GOING TO IMPACT THEM NEGATIVELY FROM THE STANDPOINT? ARE THEY GOING TO NEED SOME HELP? I MEAN, THESE AREN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO BE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE GOT A LOT OF MONEY IN THE BANK AND SO ON. THEY MAY NEED SOME GUIDANCE. AND HAVE YOU EVEN HAD, I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY OF THESE FACILITIES WE MIGHT EVEN HAVE? I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD HOW MANY WE HAVE.

AND AS MS. PEARSON POINTED OUT JUST BECAUSE IT WASN'T IN OUR CODE WHEN THEY CAME IN TO BE LICENSED THROUGH THE CITY AND DO WHATEVER PERMITTING WAS REQUIRED. IT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHECKED THAT THEY HAD THE PROPER LICENSURE. SO WE ARE ASSUMING THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE IT WASN'T IN OUR CODE DOESN'T MEAN PLANNING.

AND WHOMEVER WAS ACTUALLY PERMITTING, IT WASN'T MAKING SURE THEY HAD THE PROPER LICENSURE. NOW, THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HOME IS NEW AS OF 2025. SO I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANYTHING REGARDING THAT.

THAT'S THAT NEW DEFINITION THAT YOU SEE. SO AS MS. PEARSON POINTED OUT IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN IN STATE LAW, IT JUST HASN'T BEEN IN OUR CODE. AND SO THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHECKING THAT WHEN IT CAME THROUGH. I DON'T, YOU MAY KNOW, THEN, I DON'T KNOW IF IF MEMBER GILLETTE KNOWS THE NUMBER A.

GROUP HOMES THAT WE HAVE ARE GROUP HOME RESIDENTS, WHICH IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT DEFINITION THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, MS. PEARSON? I HAVE ONLY A COUPLE THAT I HAVE KNOWN. I KNOW WE HAVE SOME COMPLAINTS REGARDING THOSE THAT ARE EXISTING AND THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH. THERE'S FOUR GROUP HOMES IN YULEE, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANY HERE.

I'M JUST CONCERNED MORE ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVING, YOU KNOW, HAVE A... THAT LIFE PRESERVER WE THROW OUT TO SOMEBODY THAT MAY BE NOT REALIZING WHAT, WHAT THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE, AND MAY NEED SOME HELP ON IT.

SO WE HAVE VERY LITTLE FRAME OF REFERENCE FOR THIS. YEAH.

SO I, I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE THAT I KNOW OF BECAUSE WE ARE IN, WE'RE NOT IN LITIGATION. WE'RE IN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS OVER, OVER ONE FACILITY, AT LEAST THAT I KNOW OF. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME IN THE CITY. I JUST DIDN'T THINK TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER, BE PREPARED TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER TONIGHT. I PERCEIVE A LITTLE BIT OF THIS AS THE STATE TELLING US HOW TO DO OUR BUSINESS.

BUT THAT'S PERSONAL. YES. BUT IT MAKES THE HEARING SIMPLER.

YEAH, IT MAKES THE HEARING SIMPLER. SO MOST OF THIS IS DICTATED BY THE LEGISLATURE. THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE ADDED COULD BE. AGAIN, IT STRIKES ME THAT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THERE AREN'T MANY HERE AND WE DON'T KNOW BEST PRACTICES.

BUT WHAT WE HAVE BROUGHT TO IT COULD BE CHANGED. IF IT NEEDS TO BE, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T CHANGE FLORIDA LAW. YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. ONE, IF WE, LIKE, THE PARKING IS AN AREA THAT MS. PEARSON HAS POINTED OUT TO YOU THAT YOU COULD TALK ABOUT.

BUT THE REASON WE HIRED NEIGHBORS GIBLIN AND NICKERSON IS BECAUSE MS. KIRSTEN MOOD HAS IMPLEMENTED AND WORKED ON GROUP HOMES, CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCES, AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HOMES IN MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS.

THAT WERE OUR SIZE, LARGER.

AND SO WE TOOK, YOU KNOW, SHE GAVE US ADVICE ON BEST PRACTICES. WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH HER VIA ZOOM. SHE OFFERED LANGUAGE, TOOK COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING STAFF IN MY OFFICE. SO WE DID HIRE, ENGAGE HER BECAUSE OF HER DEPTH OF KNOWLEDGE IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.

OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I HAVE ONE. MR. CHAIRMAN, TO MS.

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BUT I THINK THE LOWER TIER, WHEN YOU HAVE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE, THE PARKING SEEMS A BIT EXTRAORDINARY. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK PEOPLE DRIVE THEMSELVES TO THESE FACILITIES. THEY'RE USUALLY DROPPED OFF. GOOD POINT. AND SO IF SOMEBODY HAPPENS TO HAVE A FOUR-BEDROOM HOUSE THAT'S GOT FOUR BEDS IN IT, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'VE GOT TO PROVIDE FOUR PARKING SPOTS. A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ONLY HAS TO PROVIDE TWO IF THEY HAVE FOUR BEDS. SO TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE ON THE LOWER END OF THIS, WE'RE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT PUNITIVE ON THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

AND MAYBE IF IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, WE TREAT THE PARKING LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, UNLESS THEY HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND WORK. IF THEY'RE CAREGIVERS OR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ADMINISTERING MEDICINE OR HELP, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEN THEY SHOULD BE PARKED AS WELL. BUT IF IT'S JUST ONE ADMINISTRATOR THAT'S RUNNING A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE, THEY LIKELY DON'T HAVE ANY CARS. SO I THINK IT'S WORTH TALKING ABOUT REDUCING IT FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE. AND LOOKING AT THAT, WE WERE THINKING THAT IF IT IS A GROUP HOME, RIGHT, UNDER THAT SCENARIO, WHERE IT WOULD BE IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT, IT WOULD ONLY HAVE TO REQUIRE THE TWO PARKING SPACES. IF IT'S IN A SINGLE FAMILY, BUT WHEN IT GOES TO THE MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH IS WHERE THIS KIND OF IS MORE IN THE COMMERCIAL, MULTI-FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS.

THAT WE FELT LIKE WE. WE COULD EITHER HAVE KEPT IT AT THE SAME SCENARIO THAT THE OTHER TYPE FACILITIES ARE AT THAT LEVEL, OR WE COULD JUST SAY ONE SPACE PER BED OR A LARGER. SO IF I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT AND WAY, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE COULDN'T JUST LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS. THE 1.2 SPACES AND THEN IF WE SEE A PROBLEM, WE CAN COME BACK AND ADD SPACES. I THINK YOU COULD SAY THAT SOMETIMES THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD DRIVE, BUT THEN, IN SOME SCENARIOS, DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF CARE REQUIRED, I COULD SEE THERE NOT BEING MANY SPACES AT ALL. SO I THINK I'M OPEN TO ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS FEEL.

IS THERE SOMETHING LIKE GOING TO THE BOA? IN OTHER WORDS, CAN THEY SAY, LOOK, NOBODY HAS ANY CARS, CAN YOU DO THIS? I'D HAVE TO SEE IF YOU CAN GET A PARKING VARIANCE. IT WOULD FALL UNDER THE VARIANCES IF YOU CAN GET A VARIANCE FOR PARKING, IS THE QUESTION. IF THIS IS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME AND I GET WHAT NICK IS SAYING AS FAR AS THE TWO SPACES. BUT OKAY, ON THAT EXAMPLE, WE HAVE FOUR BEDROOMS, AND THEORETICALLY, I GUESS YOU HAVE FOUR RESIDENTS.

DOES THIS MEAN THAT THERE'S NOT A STAFF MEMBER WHO'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR STAYING THERE AT NIGHT? OR DO THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE RESIDENTS, ARE THEY ON, YOU KNOW, FIVE O'CLOCK, EVERYBODY GOES HOME AND THERE'S NO NEED FOR PARKING? BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE, AGAIN, I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH THIS, SO I'M ASKING FOR SOME CLARIFICATION. I CAN SEE WHERE IF IT'S A IN A COMMERCIAL ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU HAVE 14 RESIDENTS, YOU PROBABLY ARE GOING TO HAVE STAFF THAT STAYS OVERNIGHT, SO THEY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE SHIFTS, SO THEY WOULD BRING A CAR. AND SO, I MEAN... MS. PRINCE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IF YOU'RE STRICTLY A GROUP HOME AND YOU'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT, WE CAN'T IMPOSE STRICTER STANDARDS FOR THE PARKING THAN WE COULD IF IT WAS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. SO IT DOES, EVEN THOUGH THERE MAY COULD BE UP TO X AMOUNT OF PEOPLE LIVING THERE UNDER THAT LICENSE. WE CAN'T IMPOSE STRICTER PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PARK WITHIN THE AREAS THAT THEY HAVE, OR IF THEY WERE GOING TO DO AN EXPANSION AND ALLOW.

WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A MAXIMUM WHEN IT COMES TO THE RESIDENTIAL. YOU JUST HAVE REALLY A MINIMUM. YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO. SO IF THEY WANTED TO WIDEN THEIR DRIVEWAY OR ACCOMMODATE IT, THEY COULD DO THAT THROUGH THE TRC SCENARIO.

BUT KEEP IN MIND, UNDER THIS, THIS IS CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCY, AND MS. PRINCE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THINK THAT THAT THE PARKING COULD BE AN ELEMENT OF THE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION AND ALLOWING FOR IT TO BE REDUCED THROUGH THAT PROCESS. BECAUSE THAT COULD BE REASONING WHY THEY NEED, THEY WANT TO GO IN THIS AREA AND DON'T NEED THE

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OKAY, OKAY. SO THERE ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT TYPES OF GROUP HOMES. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF HENRY GREEN'S HOMES, THEY'RE GROUP HOMES, BUT THERE'S NO STAFF MEMBER THAT STAYS THERE. I THINK HENRY STAYS AND HIS WIFE STAYS AT THE WOMEN'S FACILITY.

BUT YOU HAVE STAFF, YOU HAVE HOMES FOR AUTISTIC KIDS, SO YOU CAN'T JUDGE THAT JUST ON ONE. BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING TO BE STAFF MEMBERS THAT STAY IN THOSE TYPES OF HOMES, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE NO STAFF MEMBERS IN SOME TYPES. THAT'S CORRECT.

SO YOU'VE GOT TO TREAT IT INDIVIDUALLY. I THOUGHT YOU TURNED ON YOUR MIC. NO, I TURNED IT OFF. OKAY. PETE.

JUST TO KIND OF MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT, THESE TYPE OF HOMES, I'M GOING TO SAY, ARE NOT GOING TO BE A 01,200-SQUARE-FOOT SINGLE-CAR GARAGE TYPE HOME. RIGHT. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO ASSUME THAT THEY PROBABLY ARE GOING TO HAVE A TWO-CAR GARAGE.

THERE'S PROBABLY AT LEAST TWO SPACES IN THE DRIVEWAY THAT THEY CAN GO TO.

MAYBE THERE'S ONE OR TWO ON THE STREET. SO, YOU COULD PROBABLY ACCOMMODATE SIX CARS ON A REASONABLE BASIS. I MEAN, THAT'S A LITTLE JUDGMENTAL, BUT AT LEAST FOUR. SO I DON'T KNOW. IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU NEED TO HAVE A CALIBRATED JUST BASED UPON THE SPECIFIC APPLICANT AND HAVE SOME WAY OF A SLIDING SCALE OF, SAY, THIS. APPLICATION IN THIS FACILITY, AS IS, THEY CAN DO THIS MUCH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WORKABLE FROM A STANDPOINT OF A WHOLE CITY, BUT IT'S SOMEHOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SCALE THAT. WHERE YOU, YOU CAN'T MAKE ONE RULE, IT FITS EVERY SITUATION.

CORRECT, AND THAT'S WHY WE SINGLED THIS OUT TO CERTIFIED RESIDENTIAL RECOVERY RESIDENTS.

THOSE ARE ONES THAT WILL COME BEFORE THE TRC AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THE MULTIFAMILY, HOPEFULLY IN THE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS.

AND WE WERE JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE A PARKING CALCULATION FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, WE COULD JUST KEEP IT AT WHAT THOSE OTHER TYPE FACILITIES ARE THAT ARE LIKE THAT, LIKE NURSING HOMES AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES THAT ARE SIMILAR. WHEN YOU GET TO THAT LEVEL, WHICH THEY'RE SAYING, AND OUR CODE SAYS NOW, THAT THAT WOULD BE 1.25 SPACES FOR EVERY BED AND ONE SPACE FOR EACH TWO EMPLOYEES. WE COULD JUST KEEP IT AT THAT SAME LEVEL, AND THEN, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ACCOMMODATION, THAT WOULD BE WORKED OUT DURING THEIR REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS APPLICATION. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. I DON'T KNOW. TO ME, THAT MIGHT BE A WORKABLE SOLUTION THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT NOW. IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT LATER, WE DO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TRACK RECORD. BUT IF YOU'RE IN A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT, SINGLE-FAMILY, YOU WOULD NEED TWO SPACES, JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD NEED.

OKAY. THIS IS ONLY FOR R3 AND MU1 AND C3 THAT WOULD ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USE? FOR THE CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENTS, CORRECT. SO, IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE IN R3 OR MU1 OR MU8, WOULD YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE TWO PARKING SPACES, OR IS IT BASED ON THE BED COUNT? BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THAT. IT WOULD BE BASED ON, IT WOULD NORMALLY, A USE WOULD NORMALLY IN THOSE CATEGORIES, THERE WOULD BE A FORMULA FOR THE USE IN THE PARKING.

THERE'S NO PARKING CALCULATIONS FOR THAT USE. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING UP WITH THAT.

BASED ON THIS, THOUGH, IT'S GOING TO TELL ME I NEED A SPACE FOR EVERY BED. RIGHT. THAT'S JUST THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE IS AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY.

BECAUSE, I MEAN, YOU COULD TURN IT INTO A PARKING LOT AND NOBODY... THAT GETS CONFUSING. YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO LIVE NEXT TO SEVEN CARS IN MY FRONT YARD OR WHATEVER.

IF YOU HAD THAT, IT'S PROBABLY THE WRONG SPOT FOR IT.

BUT THE THINGS I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST IN THE COUNTY, NO ONE DRIVES THERE AND CHECKS THEMSELVES IN. THEY ARE LITERALLY A PRODUCT OF SOMETHING ELSE, AND THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY UP, OR, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY. SO DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT THE SIMILAR USES, THAT CALCULATION OF .25? SPACES PER BED, AND THEN ONE SPACE FOR TWO EMPLOYEES, WOULD ALSO BE APPROPRIATE FOR A SURFER? THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION.

OR MAYBE ONE SPACE FOR EVERY EMPLOYEE. I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE TWO EMPLOYEES THERE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT I THINK THE .25.

SPACES PER BED MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. SO WHAT DOES HE NEED TO DO? ARE YOU THE PARLIAMENTARIAN? CERTAINLY, YES, HE WOULD MAKE A MOTION

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YEAH, REMOVE THE EXTRA LANGUAGE. YOU PROBABLY STILL KEEP IT IN 701 ON THIS SIDE.

WOULD YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION AND THEN AMEND THAT MOTION THAT I MAKE? OKAY. NO, I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK YOU WOULD JUST MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, WITH AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 7, MINIMUM NUMBER OF SPACES TO REMOVE THE UNDERLYING LANGUAGE. NICK, DID YOU HEAR HER? I DID. I JUST CAN'T READ THAT. IT'S IN THE PACKET, TOO. I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE PACKET. I MIGHT NOT. IF YOU'RE ON THE DATA PACKET, PAGE 10 OF THE DATA PACKET.

YEAH, IN MY STAFF REPORT.

CHAIRMAN, IF YOU'RE READY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. GO AHEAD. I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PAB CASE NUMBER 2025. I'M GOING TO TALK SLOWLY. OKAY.

DASH 0019. TO THE CITY COMMISSION, REQUESTING THAT THE AMENDMENTS TO THE L.D.C.

SECTION 1.07.00 ACRONYMS AND DEFINITIONS, TABLE 2.0302, TABLE OF LAND USES, TABLE 7.0104A, WITH THE MODIFICATION THAT THE PARKING LANGUAGE BE STRICKEN. THAT SAYS FOR CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCES, ONE SPACE PER BED, OR ABOVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WHICHEVER IS GREATER. SECOND.

OH, HE'S NOT DONE YET. OH, I'M NOT DONE YET. SORRY. CREATION OF SECTION 6.0209, CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCES AND AMENDMENT OF CURRENT SECTION 06.02.16, GROUP HOME AS PRESENTED, IS SUFFICIENTLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO BE APPROVED AT THIS TIME.

SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? I'LL ONLY MAKE ONE COMMENT ON THAT PAGE. NOTHING TO DO WITH AMENDMENTS. FINISH THE AMENDMENT AND THEN I'LL MAKE MY COMMENT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? LAST LINE ON THE PAGE. PLEASE CONVERT PLANNING AND CONVERSATION TO PLANNING AND CONSERVATION.

OH, THE PLANNING AND CONVERSATION STAFF. WELL, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN INTERESTING ONE. THAT SPELL CHECK DOES NOT LIKE CONSERVATION. ALL RIGHT.

[6. STAFF REPORT]

THE STRATEGY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO FOR IS TO AIM TO FACILITATE THE TARGETED FEEDBACK THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND VISIONING ABOUT THE UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS.

AND ON THE TOPICS OF PRESERVATION OF CHARACTER, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, RESILIENCE, LIVABILITY, FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, AND PUBLIC FACILITY MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION. THESE

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WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT LDC AMENDMENTS, IF YOU RECALL, WE KIND OF SPENT A LOT OF TIME FIGURING OUT WHERE WE WANT THE COMP PLAN AND THE LDC TO GO TO BE ABLE TO FACILITATE THESE ELEMENTS.

SO I WANT TO JUST, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW WHO THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL COUNCIL IS, THEY WERE BROUGHT, THEY'RE OUR PARTNERS, AND THEY WERE BROUGHT ON. TO ENSURE THAT THE STATUTORY CHANGES HAVE BEEN INCLUDED TO MEET THE STANDARDS. THE STATE STANDARDS, THEIR STAFF WILL ASSIST US IN UPDATING OUR VISION DOCUMENT AND CREATING AN ONLINE SURVEY. SO WE'RE GOING TO USE THEM FOR SOME OF THE TOOLS THAT THEY CAN CREATE VERY EASILY, BUT ALSO WE'RE IN THIS PLACE WHERE SENATE BILL 180 IS GOING TO, WE'RE KIND OF LIKE, THERE'S A LOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO DO AND CHANGE, BUT THEN THERE'S THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CHANGE, AND THERE'S THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE. AND SO THEY CAN HELP US CRAFT THOSE TWO THINGS, LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT THE EAR HAS TO SAY, AND THIS IS A VERSION OF WHAT WE WANT. AND WHERE CAN WE SLIDE SOME OVER THERE INTO WHAT WE CAN GET APPROVED? THERE'S STILL A LOT GOING ON. I WAS ON A ZOOM MEETING TODAY TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE BILLS THAT ARE OUT THERE. THERE SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE MOVEMENT TO ALLOW FOR SOME STRICTER ORDINANCES.

BUT IT'S VERY LIMITED, SO WE REALLY NEEDED THEIR GUIDANCE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW. AND THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE IN THIS REGION, THAT THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AS WELL. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE DEALING WITH MIAMI, RIGHT? SO WE FELT COMFORTABLE THAT THEY COULD ASSIST US IN WHAT WE NEED.

THEY'RE OUR PARTNERS. I MEAN, STAFF IS GOING TO TAKE AN ACTIVE ROLE IN THIS PROCESS AND GOING TO BE THE FRONT FOR THIS PROCESS. AS COMMUNITY PEOPLE, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO. GET THAT INFORMATION FROM THEM AS CITY EMPLOYEES.

AND ALSO, I MEAN, I'M A RESIDENTS, RIGHT, ME IS, YOU KNOW? SO WE WE'RE HAVE BUY-IN TO THIS, RIGHT? THIS IS A THIS IS PERSONAL TO US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A DOCUMENT AT THE END. THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT AND WHAT OUR VISION IS. SO THE NEXT PART IS WE AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT, SOME FEEDBACK WE WANT TO GET FROM YOU GUYS. BUT THIS IS A MAP THAT WE JUST STARTED TALKING WITH THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL COUNCIL WITH IS LIKE, HOW CAN WE DEFINE THESE AREAS? BECAUSE IT'S REALLY INTERESTING, I MEAN, TO BE SUCH A SMALL AREA. WE HAVE VERY UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND I THINK SOME OF THE APPROACH IN THE PAST HAS PERHAPS, AND IT'S AND IT'S WORKED.

BUT NOW, WITH THINGS CHANGING AND AND NEW PEOPLE COMING AND AREAS BEING MORE DEFINED, WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOODS. WHAT DO YOU FEEL LIKE? IS THE UNIQUENESS OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? HOW DOES YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S QUALITIES THAT YOU THINK ARE GREAT FIT INTO THE BIG PICTURE? AND THEN FROM THAT, WE COULD TRANSLATE THAT INTO THE COMP PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

SO THERE WILL BE NEW SECTIONS ON INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THEN, HOPEFULLY, THAT WILL LEAD TO A NEW LDC REWRITE, WHICH IS WHAT THE END GAME WOULD BE.

THAT WOULD PUT THESE THINGS IN PLACE. BUT THIS IS A MAP.

THAT STAFF PUT TOGETHER TO TRY TO DEFINE THOSE AREAS. SO WE'RE GOING TO WANT YOUR FEEDBACK ON THESE AREAS. THIS IS NOT IN STONE. THIS IS JUST WHAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE RIGHT NOW. AND THIS ALSO... IT IS AN ELEMENT AS TO WHERE WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS AT, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE MEETINGS IN THE AREAS. AND WE DO NOTICE THAT SOME AREAS OF THE TOWN FEEL LIKE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN HEARD, THAT THEIR UNIQUE COMMUNITY IS NOT BEING REPRESENTED, AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE BEING ALLOWED TO BE DEVELOPED OR REDEVELOPED THAT IS NOT IN CARRIAGE OF WHAT THEY WANT. AND THEY DON'T, THEY SAY, OH, THAT'S FINE OVER THERE, BUT REALLY HERE, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. OUR DYNAMICS OF OUR COMMUNITY. SO WE'RE REALLY WORKING HARD TO DO THAT. SO WE KIND OF INTRODUCED THIS CONCEPT DURING OUR MEETING AND THEN WE'RE STILL KIND OF TALKING ABOUT IT. WE ALSO IN OUR MEETING, WE REVIEWED THE STATUTORY CHANGES SINCE 2020.

WE DISCUSSED ON, LIKE I MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO, WE DISCUSSED WHAT CHANGES CAN WE PROPOSE VERSUS SENATE BILL 180. SO WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THAT. WE TALKED ABOUT PRELIMINARY DATES AND VENUES FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH AND ACTIVITIES. PRESENTATIONS. WE KIND OF ESTABLISH THESE RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE NOT IN STONE AGAIN. WE CAN, WE CAN ADJUST THOSE. BUT WHAT WE CONCLUDED IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE LARGE COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS WILL BE HELD. WE WANT TO HAVE THREE THAT WILL BE WITH PARTNERS WITH THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL COUNCIL.

BUT THEN WE WANT TO HAVE THREE INDIVIDUAL, CITY DRIVEN POP-UP EVENTS AND THEN THERE WILL BE ONE LARGE POP-UP

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WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ONLINE FEEDBACK SURVEY, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO INTRODUCE IT UNTIL WE HAVE THAT FIRST MEETING. SO WE CAN GET THAT WORD OUT. BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BLINDLY SEND OUT A SURVEY AND SAY, START GIVING US FEEDBACK, WE WANT TO INTRODUCE IT AND HAVE PEOPLE HEAR ABOUT IT.

WE'RE ALSO GOING TO RECORD ONE OF THE SESSIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE. IT'LL PROBABLY BE THE FIRST ONE, BUT THAT'LL HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION. HAVE THAT AVAILABLE ALSO RIGHT AFTER, WHERE SOMEONE WHO CAN'T ATTEND ONE OF OUR MEETINGS HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO VIEW THAT. AND ALSO AT THESE MEETINGS, WE CAN SAY, HEY, IF YOU KNOW SOMEBODY THAT CAN'T COME, PLEASE LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE SURVEY AND ABOUT THE PRESENTATION THEY CAN WATCH.

SO JUST PRELIMINARILY, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT APRIL THE 13TH. WE'RE TRYING TO DO DIFFERENT TIMES.

LIKE I SAID, WE'D LOVE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT. 5.30 TO 7.30, MAYBE ATLANTIC REC CENTER. THEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT LIKE EVERY TWO WEEKS, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO POP IN ONE OF OUR EVENTS IN BETWEEN. APRIL, THE 17TH FROM 3 TO 8, WHICH IS KIND OF A FLEXIBLE TIME, THE PECK CENTER, AND THEN MAY, THE 11TH AT THE GOLF COURSE. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE THINKING. THOSE ARE ALL MONDAY MEETINGS, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE NECESSARILY ALL MONDAY MEETINGS. MAYBE THEY WERE.

MAYBE THEY WERE. WELL, THAT MAY NOT BE A BAD IDEA. YEAH.

SO PEOPLE'S CALENDAR ISN'T FILLED UP FOR THE WEEK YET. SO WE'RE STILL KIND OF PLAYING AROUND WITH THOSE TIMES. AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, ON MARCH THE 3RD, THE CITY COMMISSION, MEANING THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND PLANNING STAFF, AND THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL COUNCIL, WILL PROVIDE A PRESENTATION.

SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE, BUT IN MORE DETAIL ON THE PROJECT PREPARATION FOR THE COMP PLAN. AND WE'LL INTRODUCE OUR CONCEPT FOR THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND THE PROPOSED CONCEPT OF THE 2050 PLAN. I MEAN, BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR ALONG THE PATH, WE WANT THE COMMISSION TO BLESS IT, RIGHT? SAY, YEAH, WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.

WE'RE GOING TO SUPPORT YOU. WE FEEL LIKE AT THE VISIONING SESSION TOMORROW, IT'S TOMORROW, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT OF THE SAME.

CONCEPTS OF COMMUNITY PLANNING AND MAKING SURE WE IDENTIFY WHAT'S SPECIAL ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOT HAVE A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THE ZONING. WITH THAT, MIA, SHE'S REALLY THE AUTHOR OF A LOT OF THIS POWERPOINT, SO SHE'S BEEN A GREAT HELP.

BUT SHE'S GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE TIMELINE THAT WE'VE KIND OF COME UP WITH. SURE, THANKS, MARGARET FOR THAT GREAT PRESENTATION.

SO ON THIS SLIDE, I JUST HIGHLIGHTED A TIMELINE TO DEMONSTRATE HOW WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THE PROJECT. SO ON THE FAR LEFT-HAND SIDE, YOU HAVE THE KICKOFF MEETING THAT WE HELD IN LATE JANUARY. OUR KICKOFF PRESENTATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION WILL BE ON MARCH 3RD. AND THEN WE HAVE WORKING MEETINGS BIWEEKLY SET UP WITH THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL TO CHECK IN.

AND ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE WORKED ON FOR US, WHAT WE WORKED ON FOR THEM, JUST COLLABORATE.

AND WE HAVE A SET MEETING EVERY OTHER WEEK. SO WE'RE ABLE TO RESCHEDULE THAT OR MOVE THEM AROUND AS WE LIKE. AND THEN THAT LIGHT BLUE HATCHING THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT JUST REPRESENTS THOSE BIWEEKLY MEETINGS. OUR OUTREACH WILL OCCUR BETWEEN APRIL AND MAY, AND THIS INCLUDES THOSE TOWN HALLS AND ONLINE SURVEYS.

AFTER WE CONDUCT OUTREACH THROUGH APRIL AND JUNE, WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON INCORPORATING THE COMMUNITY INPUT INTO THE VISION PLAN. AND ALSO SEE WHAT THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL HAS INCORPORATED BASED ON THE STATE STATUTES. AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD TO REVIEW PUBLIC OUTREACH AND UPDATES TO THE VISION PLAN. AS WELL AS THE EAR LETTER, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THE STATE THAT EVALUATES AND APPRAISES OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN JUNE AND JULY. IN AUGUST, THOSE MATERIALS WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION. AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A VISION PLAN THAT IS ADOPTED THROUGH A FIRST AND SECOND READING IN AUGUST. AND THEN DUE ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, IS THAT REQUIRED EVALUATION OR APPRAISAL REPORT TO THE STATE. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ITEMS, SOME SPECIFIC DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT WE WANTED TO BRING TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT TO HELP US WORK THROUGH. I WILL POINT OUT ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WE KIND OF HAD AN IDEA BECAUSE WE LIKE THE 2045 VISION PLAN A LOT, BUT WE WANT TO GIVE IT A REFRESH AND KIND OF BRING IT UP TO TODAY'S TIMELINE. SO WE HAD THE IDEA OF A LIGHTHOUSE THAT KIND OF GUIDES, AND THIS IS OUR AMELIA LIGHTHOUSE HERE, THAT KIND OF GUIDES THE FUTURE OF THE COMMUNITY. AND FUNNY ENOUGH, WE WERE CLEANING OUT THE OFFICE THE OTHER DAY.

AND WE FOUND A 2000 VISION PLAN

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WE'RE REQUESTING THAT ONE DESIGNATED MEMBER FROM THE PAB OR ATTEND EACH OF THE OUTREACH MEETINGS JUST TO STAY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF SUNSHINE LAW. AND THEN, AT A SCHEDULED MEETING, THAT DESIGNEE CAN SHARE OUT WHAT THEY HEARD AT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS. WE ALSO LIKE SOME SUGGESTED LOCATIONS FOR THE CITY-RUN POP-UP EVENTS.

SO ALONG WITH ATLANTIC, PECK, AND THE GOLF COURSE, WHAT OTHER LOCATIONS DO YOU THINK WE CAN ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY THE BEST? YOU CAN ALSO CONSIDER THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE PICKED OUT, AND IF THERE ARE COMMUNITY CENTERS THAT YOU KNOW WITHIN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE'D LIKE TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY AT. MEET THEM WHERE THEY ARE. AND THEN SUGGESTIONS ALSO ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATIONS AND BOUNDARIES. THAT WAS JUST A QUICK SKETCH TO KIND OF GET THE JUICES FLOWING WITH THIS GROUP AND OUR PLANNING STAFF AND THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL.

TO SEE WHERE CAN WE KIND OF DRAW THOSE LINES AND DEFINE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTERS. SO WITH THAT, WE WELCOME COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. QUESTION? THE MAP. YEAH. I CAN'T TELL EXACTLY IS THIS... WHERE IS SADLER ROAD? IS THAT RIGHT HERE? I CAN'T TELL WHERE THINGS ARE.

IF THAT'S JASMINE, THIS IS SADLER ROAD. THIS IS BETWEEN MIDSHORE AND SOUTHSHORE. THE BISECTING LINE.

OKAY. SO AT THAT INTERSECTION, YOU HAVE MAIN BEACH AND THIS IS SEASIDE. OKAY. I LIKE THE NORTH BEACH. THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. I'M NOT SURE THAT I GET WHERE WE GO WITH THE SHORE. I SORT OF, WHEN I THINK OF MID SHORE AND SOUTH SHORE, I THINK THINK I'M IN CALIFORNIA. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE STAY IN FERNANDINA, AND THAT'S ONE OF MY COMMENTS IS MAKING SURE THAT WE USE SOME VERBIAGE THAT SORT OF REMINDS US THAT WE'RE IN FERNANDINA, NOT OTHER PLACES, RIGHT? YEAH, AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT AND THE NAMES THAT WE KIND OF PINNED ON THESE THINGS LIKE I HAVE SOME LABELED COUNTY ADJACENT MIXED USE AND PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CALL THEM. AND WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BREAK THAT UP INTO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.

BUT I DO APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK, AND I AGREE. THERE WAS SOMETHING. LET'S LOOK AT THE TIMELINE. YEAH. THAT'S A VERY TIGHT SCHEDULE THERE. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S DOABLE.

BUT YOU'RE. I THINK ONE OF THE KEY PIECES OF THAT IS THAT COMMUNICATION, THAT OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY TO GET THEM INVOLVED. THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS, AS I RECOLLECT, WE HAD A REALLY GOOD COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AS WE WENT THROUGH EACH OF THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT WAS REALLY GRATIFYING BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON THAT. SO THAT'S A KEY PIECE OF THAT. LET'S SEE THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE. OH, THE VISION PLAN. SO YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE THE THE EAR. AND THE VISION PLAN AT THE SAME TIME? YES. ANYBODY REMEMBER, WAS ANYBODY HERE WHEN WE DID THE THE LAST VISION PLAN, AND HOW MUCH WORK IT TOOK TO GET THAT VISION PLAN DONE? I WAS HERE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH OUR CONSULTANT. THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK AND CONSIDERATION PUT INTO THAT VISION PLAN. SO WE'RE NOT RECREATING IT, WE'RE WE'RE UPDATING IT TO BRING IT INTO THE 2020, THE 2050 VISION. BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION IN THERE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO SQUANDER ALL THAT COMMUNITY INPUT THAT WAS ALREADY REQUIRED. MY ONE COMMENT IS I DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE HAD BUY-IN ON OTHER THAN THE VERY GLOBAL LEVEL OF THAT VISION 2025. AGREED. I JUST DID NOT FEEL LIKE WE HAD THE LEADERSHIP OF THE COMMUNITY OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT REALLY BOUGHT IN ON THE WHOLE THING. THE CONCEPT, THE UPPER LEVEL, THAT WAS OKAY. NOT, NOT THE DETAILS. AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHY THAT WAS, AND WE. WE FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE REASONING WAS THERE WERE SOME GOALS THAT

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THEY WILL FORCE THOSE CHARACTERS TO HAPPEN WHEN REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENS OR INFILL HAPPENS. IT WON'T LOOK OUT OF PLACE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH. THE VISION PLAN IS JUST TO HAVE THAT AS A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS THAT. AND NOT SO MUCH AS SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, LIKE IMPLEMENT A MOBILITY FEE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND I THINK THAT WAS WHAT KIND OF BOGGED IT DOWN LAST TIME, WE THINK. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT PRESENTATION TO COMMISSIONERS TO GET THAT BUY-IN AHEAD OF TIME. LAST QUESTION. WHAT IF... LET'S JUST SAY I HAVE AN INTEREST IN TRANSPORTATION, BUT I ALSO HAVE AN INTEREST IN, I DON'T KNOW, ONE OF THE OTHER SUBJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING. AND SO I GET WHERE YOU WANT AT LEAST EACH ONE OF US TO AT LEAST COMMIT TO BE AT THAT MEETING, BUT WHAT IF I REALLY WANT TO BE AT THAT MEETING AS WELL? IS THAT A PROBLEM? AND I'LL LET MS. PRINCE ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT I THINK THAT THAT CAN BE DONE. IT'S JUST GOING TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL OVERSIGHT AND ADVERTISEMENT FOR US IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

IT'S NOT THAT IT CAN HAPPEN. I DON'T KNOW. MS. PRINCE, YOU? YEAH, THROUGH THE CHAIR, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO ADDRESS THAT. WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SUNSHINE LAW PRESENTATION LATER, AND AT THESE TYPE OF TOWN HALL MEETINGS, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE, BUT IF YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BOUNCE IDEAS OFF EACH OTHER. YOU'RE ALLOWED TO MAKE A STATEMENT, BUT THEN IF MR. GILLETTE SAID SOMETHING THAT I AGREED WITH, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY, YES, HE MAKES A VERY GOOD POINT AND I AGREE WITH THAT POINT, BECAUSE THESE ARE COMING BACK TO YOU. SO WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME TRAINING WITH STAFF. AND THE THOUGHT WAS, IF WE JUST HAD ONE OF YOU THERE, THEN YOU WOULDN'T ACCIDENTALLY TIPTOE INTO THAT LAND OF REALLY BOUNCING IDEAS OFF OF ONE ANOTHER. OR, AS MISS PEARSON IS SAYING, IF IF THERE ARE ONE. OR, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO TO TO HAVE IT BE ON THE RECORD, THEN WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO HAVE YOU SITTING UP HERE.

AND YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS TO BE ABLE TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION AND BE ABLE TO HAVE INPUT. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE THE LITTLE, YOU KNOW, SIDE BARS WITH ONE ANOTHER AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO THEY WOULD NOTICE IT, HAVE THE RECORDING AND HAVE IT SO THAT YOU. THE ONES THAT WERE SEATED THAT ACTUALLY SHOWED UP COULD BE SEATED IN POSITION WHERE IF THEY DID SPEAK, EVERYBODY COULD HEAR THEM. AND AND IF IT WAS NOTICED AND IN A PROPER MEETING, THEN YOU COULD BE ENTERED BACK AND FORTH AND WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO PLAN FOR THAT IN CASE THAT WAS. THE WISH OF THE BOARD IS TO HAVE STATIONS AND WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT AS WE ROTATE THROUGH THE STATIONS. THAT YOU, THAT NOBODY WAS IN THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WAS GOING AROUND THE STATION. WHY IS THERE, WHO DETERMINES THAT THIS PLAN, THAT THE END POINT OF THIS PLAN IS 2050? COULD WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE VISION PLAN FOR 2035? MAKE IT A 10-YEAR PLAN INSTEAD OF A LONGER-TERM PLAN? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY RULES ABOUT AS FAR AS A VISION PLAN GOES. I MEAN, YOU WANT IT TO BE SOMETIME OUT. THE COMP PLAN, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SPECIFIC GOALS FOR THE COMP PLAN.

BUT IT JUST SEEMED APPROPRIATE SINCE THE LAST ONE WAS 20.

2000 AND IT HAD A LIGHTHOUSE ON IT. SO WE'RE LIKE, 50 YEARS, IT'LL GO BY LIKE THAT, SO THERE'S NO, NO. LAST ONE WAS 45. BUT WE ALL KNOW, DON'T WE THAT? BECAUSE WE'RE REDOING THE PLAN NOW THAT WHAT WE SAY IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN 2050 ISN'T? GOING TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN, I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY THAT, I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S A ROAD MAP TO ACCOMPLISH THINGS, AND OF COURSE, YOU WOULD WANT TO.

UM, WE MAY WOULD LOOK AT THIS ONCE THE WATERFRONT IS ACCOMPLISHED IN A FEW YEARS, WHENEVER SOME OF THE. OTHER THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN. I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY OTHER PLANS THAT COULD CHANGE THE DYNAMIC AT THIS PLAN, AND SO IT CAN ALWAYS BE UPDATED

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IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMUNITIES WANT IN THEIR PARTICULAR AREAS, I THINK WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IN THE PAST IS THIS IS THE CITY AS A WHOLE. BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING SOME NEIGHBORHOOD STUFF THAT MAY WELL IS OKAY IN ANOTHER PART OF THE CITY, BUT IS NOT OKAY IN THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I ALSO FEEL LIKE, AND JUST IN MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH DIFFERENT AREAS ON DIFFERENT TOPICS, THAT SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THAT. WE'RE NOT RECOGNIZING THE SPECIALNESS OF THEIR UNIQUE AREA. I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT IN FAVOR OF ALL OF THAT. BUT I GUESS WHERE I'M REALLY TRYING TO GO WITH, AND MAYBE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU POINTED OUT WITH THE LONGER-TERM PLAN AND THAT PETE WAS TALKING ABOUT BUY-IN, IF IT'S A FIVE-YEAR PLAN, THEN THERE ARE ACTIONABLE STEPS IN IT WE CAN DO TOMORROW THAT THE COMMISSION CAN BUY OFF ON. AS OPPOSED TO THIS LONG-TERM PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DEAD BY THE TIME WE'RE GETTING THERE. BUT WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT HOW LONG THINGS TAKE. WE LOVE YOU. LEONARD ROMOFF, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

TO THAT POINT, YOU'RE RIGHT.

MANY OF US WON'T SEE 2050. BUT IN THE PLANNING WORLD, THE REASON THAT YOU CHOOSE A 25-YEAR OUTLOOK, AND THIS IS PRETTY CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTRY, THAT WE USE THAT 25-YEAR OUTLOOK, IS BECAUSE IF YOU CHANGE THE LDC, YOU GO THROUGH A COMP PLAN, AND YOU CHANGE EVERYTHING, YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY IMPLEMENT EVERYTHING. IT WON'T BE IMPLEMENTED, BUT YOU WILL START TO SEE IT AS YOU GET TO THE 25-YEAR OUTLOOK. SO THERE ARE COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE BEEN SUPER SUCCESSFUL AT THIS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, WHO HAVE STARTED IT. THEY FOCUS ON THE COMP PLAN INCREMENTS.

SO WHAT'S THAT, SEVEN YEARS OR SO? SO WE CONCENTRATE ON THOSE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU'VE GOT BASICALLY JUST SHORT OF FOUR INCREMENTS, THREE INCREMENTAL CHANGES BEFORE YOU GET TO YOUR 25-YEAR PLAN.

BUT THE NATURE OF A VISION IS IT'S NOT A DESTINATION. IT'S ASPIRATIONAL. SO I THINK THAT'S, TO YOUR POINT, DO WE THINK EVERY LITTLE DETAIL WILL HAPPEN AS WE TALK ABOUT IT TODAY? NO.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IT ALL COME TO FRUITION, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE LEGACY THAT THE LEADERSHIP TODAY LEAVES. SO THAT'S STAFF, PAB, THAT'S COMMISSIONS. I WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT I THINK WHEN WE... DID VISION 2045? THIS IS MY ASSESSMENT THAT WE WERE REALLY LOOKING AT DOING SOMETHING THAT WAS THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY. I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS FREE OUT. THE COMMUNITY'S NOT MADE. ALL ONE FABRIC, SOME COTTON, SOME WOOL, SOME SOMETHING ELSE. AND WE NEED TO LOWER THAT, THAT DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT COMMUNITY IS A NOTCH DOWN, AND I THINK THAT'S VERY GOOD. I THINK THAT WILL HELP US ALL ALONG AND I THINK THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY GIVE CAN GIVE US BETTER FEEDBACK. THE FACT, OKAY, NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MY COMMUNITY. I UNDERSTAND MY COMMUNITY. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I THINK ABOUT IT. ONE THING, JUST GENERALLY, SO JUST ASSUME THAT WE'RE GOING THIS PLAN. I AM STILL CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE BALANCE THIS CITY AGAINST THE REST OF NASSAU COUNTY. NASSAU COUNTY, THERE'S A SET OF DYNAMICS THERE, AND SOMEHOW WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN STEP WITH THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.

THIS CITY IS NOT GOING TO GROW TO 500,000 PEOPLE. IT'S NOT GOING TO GROW TO 40,000 PEOPLE.

THE COUNTY IS GOING TO GROW TO A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE. WHAT THEY DO WILL AFFECT THIS CITY AND WHAT ITS DEFINITION IS, AND WHAT ITS ROLE IN THE COUNTY IS OVER TIME. SO SOMEHOW WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE SOMEHOW START WEAVING SOME OF THE ASPIRATIONS OF WHAT THE COUNTY HAS INTO OUR THOUGHT PROCESS. I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO VOTE TO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THEY SAY. WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT. SO THAT'S, AND I DON'T KNOW, THAT JUST FRUSTRATES ME.

THERE'S THINGS GOING ON. WE TALK ABOUT THINGS. WHAT IS IT, THE TIMBER TO TIDES? THEY'VE GOT A STRIP BASICALLY COMING 200, GOING ALL THE WAY OVER.

PROBABLY THE SADDLER. FINE, WE COULD DO SADDLER AS A SPECIAL AREA, WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE. BUT SOMEHOW, WE'VE GOT TO. WE JUST CAN'T

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YES. AND THERE'S SOME OTHER AREAS THAT IT REALLY DOESN'T AFFECT AND NEED TO REMAIN THE SAME. AND SO I THINK WE WILL LOOK AT THAT.

THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A 12-MILE BEACH. RIGHT, RIGHT, AND THAT IS AN AREA THAT MORE PEOPLE WOULD AFFECT. SORRY, I'LL JUST ADD SOMETHING TO THAT REAL QUICK. I THINK OUR PARTNERS IN THE NORTH FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL WILL HAVE A LOT OF INSIGHT FOR US ON THAT. GOOD POINT. BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPERTS IN THE REGION, AND THEY SEE THE INTERACTIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN CITIES AND COUNTIES IN ALL THE WORK THAT THEY DO.

SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN BRING UP WITH THEM IN OUR MEETING. I HADN'T THOUGHT OF THAT. THAT'S A VERY VALID POINT. OKAY. NICK? THANK YOU. MARTY? SPOKEN MY PIECE EARLIER AT OTHER MEETINGS ABOUT THE 2045 AND THE PLAN.

I'M WITH YOU. I THINK IT SHOULD BE SHORTER, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S FOR DISCUSSION. I DID WANT TO BRING UP, I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT COULD REALLY IMPACT THE FUTURE OF THIS ISLAND. ARE A COUPLE OF LARGE INDUSTRIAL PARCELS THAT IF OVER TIME THINGS CHANGE, THEY MAY NEED TO BE REDEVELOPED AT SOME POINT IN TIME. BECAUSE ECONOMIES CHANGE, THE WORLD CHANGES. SOME OF THOSE INDUSTRIES ARE STRUGGLING, AND IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO THEM, WHAT INCENTIVES WOULD THE CITY GIVE THEM TO REDEVELOP? SO WE DON'T HAVE A GILMAN PAPER YARD SITTING THERE, BLANKETED IN BLIGHT FOR 30 YEARS? TO ME, THAT'S A VISIONARY THING THAT YOU LOOK FORWARD TO.

REDEVELOPMENT AS OPPOSED TO, I MEAN, WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, I MEAN, THE LAST THING WE WANT IS THE COUNTY PLANNING THE CITY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT. SO WE'VE GOT TO MAKE OUR OWN FUTURE. BUT I THINK THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT LONG TERM IS HOW DO WE REDEVELOP SOME INDUSTRIAL PARCELS WHEN THEY'RE READY.

AND I THINK THAT CAN BE AN ELEMENT NOT ONLY JUST FOR THE INDUSTRIAL LARGE USERS, BUT ANY LARGE USER THAT WE HAVE, HOW THOSE WOULD BE REDEVELOPED.

IT COULD BE COMMERCIAL. THAT'S A GREAT POINT BECAUSE IT COULD BE RECREATION, TOO. THERE COULD BE SOME RECREATION ELEMENTS THAT COULD BE REDEVELOPED.

BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF LAND THAT COULD BE USED.

YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.

WE'VE GOT AN OLD CONCRETE SUPPLY FACILITY SITTING THERE, FOUL LAND FOR YEARS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I WOULD JUST SAY THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO BRING A DRAFT TO YOU IN JUNE IS THE GOAL, AND THEN THE FINAL. THAT WAY, WE CAN KIND OF TWEAK IT IF WE NEED TO. AND THEN THE FINAL APPROVAL IN JULY. SO THAT'S WHY ON THE SLIDE, IT WAS JUNE AND JULY, HOPEFULLY BRINGING A DRAFT AND THEN A FINAL. ARE YOU GONNA SEE IT TWICE? ARE YOU GONNA WANT, OR WERE YOU JUST APPOINT US TO WHERE YOU WANT US TO GO? WHICH, WHICH GROUPS YOU WANT US TO GO TO? FOR HERE, WE CAN JUST RAISE OUR HANDS.

CAN'T WE JUST SAY I'LL DO THAT OR WHATEVER? DO YOU HAVE THINK WE CAN SEND OUT SOMETHING? MAYBE LIKE A SURVEY, LIKE IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN DO ON, JUST LIKE YOU COULD SEND BACK TO US, LIKE, WHAT IS YOUR FIRST CHOICE? YOU KNOW, WHICH WOULD YOU PREFER? YEAH, THAT'D BE FUN. AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF TRY TO DO THAT. IS THAT OKAY? WE DO THAT? YEAH. ARE WE DOING ONE NOMINEE? OH, I'M SORRY. OH, I WAS GOING TO SAY, MAYBE YOU COULD SHOOT THOSE DATES OUT AGAIN IN AN EMAIL. OH, YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW UP. AND THEN WE CAN REPLY BACK, OH, I'LL COME THIS DATE OR WHATEVER. YEAH, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SEND THE MAP OUT, SO WE WANT TO SEND FEEDBACK ON THE MAP. YOU KNOW, I TOTALLY GET WHAT TERESA'S SAYING ABOUT... SUNSHINE LAW AND EVERYTHING. BUT I DO REMEMBER THAT THE LAST TIME WE DID THE EAR AND THE SERIES OF MEETINGS, AND THERE WERE, I WASN'T ON THE PAB AT THE TIME, SO IT WAS EASY TO GO TO AS MANY MEETINGS AS I WANTED TO. BUT TO HEAR RESIDENTS, TO HEAR OUR FELLOW NEIGHBORS, TO HEAR PEOPLE THAT WE SEE EVERY DAY COME AND SPEAK. ABOUT ISSUES THAT THEIR ASPIRATIONAL WISHES AND HOPES AND DREAMS FOR THIS COMMUNITY, ON DIFFERENT SUBJECTS, ON DIFFERENT, UH, AT THOSE OUTREACH MEETINGS.

UM, WAS SO INSIGHTFUL, JUST AS A CITIZEN, BECAUSE I WASN'T ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME. BUT UM, IT REALLY MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE, I THINK, TO GET A SENSE, AN OVERALL SENSE OF THAT PERSON-TO-PERSON HEARING WHAT PEOPLE SAY. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S A SHAME THAT WE MISS OUT

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[7.1 City Updates]

ANYTHING ELSE? CITY UPDATES? NEXT? I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANYTHING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANKS. ALL RIGHT, I HAVE JUST A FEW COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO UPDATE AND REMIND EVERYBODY THAT TOMORROW IS THE COMMISSION'S VISIONING SESSION.

THAT THEY'LL HAVE OUT AT THE GOLF COURSE FROM 8.30 TO 2, I THINK, IS THE TENTATIVE SCHEDULE. THE AGENDA AND EVERYTHING IS ON THE WEBSITE. I WANTED TO ALSO UPDATE YOU THAT YOU PROBABLY HAVE NOTICED, IF YOU WERE HERE WHEN IT WAS LIGHT TODAY, THAT ATLANTIC SEAFOOD IS GONE. IT'S BEEN REMOVED AND WE HAVE SECURED THE AREA, SO IT'S SAFE NOW. THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER THINGS WE'LL DO AS WE MOVE FORWARD. WE'LL PUT SOME SIDEWALK IN THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK SAFELY TO THE DOCK AND ALL OF THAT.

AND THEN WE ARE IN THE PLANNING PROCESS OF WHAT WE'RE CALLING PHASE TWO OF THE PARK. SO WE'VE GOT A DESIGN GROUP PUTTING SOME STUFF TOGETHER FOR US AND THEN WE'LL... WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND THAT CONSTRUCTION AS WE DEVELOP THAT PLAN. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE UPDATE ON PHASE ONE OF THE PARK. IF YOU GO DOWN THERE NOW, YOU SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY, FINALLY. AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP ALL THE SUBS OUT OF EACH OTHER'S WAY AND KEEP THINGS MOVING. THE CONCRETE IS GOING DOWN THIS WEEK. THEY ARE PLANNING TO START POURING CONCRETE TOMORROW.

ELECTRICAL. ALL THE ELECTRICAL IS GOING IN. IRRIGATION IS ALSO STARTING NEXT WEEK. AND THEN YOU WILL START TO SEE TREES GO IN MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE SECTION BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO KIND OF A STAGING THING. AND THEN THE WEEK AFTER, YOU'LL SEE ALL THE REST OF THE TREES GO IN. SO IT'LL START LOOKING LIKE A PARK IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. WE ARE TENTATIVELY LOOKING AT A SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION ON MARCH 16TH. AND WE ARE PLANNING A GRAND OPENING EVENT FOR APRIL, SATURDAY, APRIL 11TH. SO THERE WILL BE MORE DETAILS ON THAT, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP ON THAT. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE UPDATED YOU ON IT YET, BUT THE CITY IS NOW FULL FORCE INTO IMPLEMENTING A NEW PERMIT SYSTEM CALLED CITYVIEW. AND WE ARE IN THE VALIDATION STAGE.

SO OUR STAFF IS SPENDING A LOT OF TIME RIGHT NOW GOING THROUGH THE SYSTEM, MAKING SURE IT FUNCTIONS THE WAY WE NEED IT TO, MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS FLOWING. WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING SOME STAFF TRAINING IN APRIL, END OF APRIL. AND WE WILL BE LOOKING AT GO-LIVE DATE OF MAY 11TH. SO AT THIS POINT, THIS HAS BEEN A... TWO AND A HALF YEAR JOURNEY. SO WE HAD A BUNCH OF STALL, BUT IT'S MOVING FORWARD. THAT WILL HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON OUR PLANNING TEAM AND THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THEM, AS WELL AS OUR BUILDING TEAM.

BOTH OF THEM PERMITS WILL BE MOVING QUITE A BIT FASTER. OUR CURRENT SYSTEM COLLAPSES ON ITSELF ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS. AND SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH REPETITIVE ENTERING IN IT. OUR STAFF HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE WITH THEIR PATIENCE.

I KNOW SOMETIMES IT RUNS OUT, BUT WE'RE ALMOST TO THE END OF THAT. AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I HAD IS WE HAVE A NUMBER OF RETIREMENTS GOING ON. WE HAD ONE IN DECEMBER OF A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, AND WE REPLACED HIM. WE HAVE ONE OF OUR INSPECTOR COORDINATORS ACTUALLY RETIRING AT THE END OF THIS WEEK, AND WE HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT.

AND THEN, AND... IN MARCH, WE HAVE TWO KEY RETIREMENTS. ONE IS IN PLANNING. OUR CONSERVATION MANAGER IS RETIRING, SO WE'RE WORKING ON A PROCESS TO REPLACE HER, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THE JOB DESCRIPTION FOR THAT. AND THEN OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DIRECTOR IS ALSO RETIRING AT THE END OF MARCH, AND WE RECENTLY WENT THROUGH A HIRING PROCESS BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE SOME OVERLAP WITH OUR... WITH OUR LEADER OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT. SO WE MADE AN OFFER TO SOMEONE FOR A CODE ENFORCEMENT MANAGER.

THEY'VE TENTATIVELY ACCEPTED, WE'LL DO THE ANNOUNCEMENT

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IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

FOR ME, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION IS THERE? THE COUNTY PUTS OUT A MONTHLY NEWSLETTER ON HOW MANY BUILDING PERMITS GET PULLED. IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD GET THAT DATA? YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER MONTH, EVERY SIX MONTHS, EVERY MONTH OR WHATEVER? JUST WITH OUR NEW SYSTEM, I WOULD ASSUME IT COULD JUST SPIT OUT.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT WITH THE SYSTEM WE HAVE, SO WE HAVEN'T SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON IT BECAUSE THE NEW ONE'S COMING. BUT, YES, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND I THINK THE SYSTEM WILL DO IT MORE OFTEN, BUT WE'LL RUN A MONTHLY FOR YOU ALL. IT'D JUST BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW WE COMPARE TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT NEW BUILDINGS, AND IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW WE'RE GROWING.

GLENN, THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

[7.2 Sunshine Law Presentation]

THE PRIVATE COMPANIES THAT DO BUSINESS ON OUR BEHALF, AND THEN EVEN IF ONE PERSON IS ACTING ON BEHALF OF A BOARD OR A COMMISSION. SO IF YOU WERE SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WAS ACTUALLY REQUIRED TO VOTE ON OR REQUIRED TO ACT ON, IF THEY DESIGNATED ONE PERSON, THAT PERSON WOULD STILL HAVE TO OPERATE IN THE SUNSHINE.

THAT'S SO YOU DON'T JUST TRY AND GET AROUND THE REQUIREMENT BY HAVING ONLY ONE PERSON. AND THEN THE MEETINGS AND COMMUNICATIONS ARE DEFINED AS ANY TIME TWO OR MORE BOARD MEMBERS COME TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD VOTE ON. SO THAT'S PRETTY BROAD. AND JUST TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S ANYTHING.

IT'S A PHONE CALL. IT'S TEXT.

IT'S SOCIAL MEDIA MESSAGING, E-MAILS, MEMOS, FIRST-CLASS MAIL. COURIER PIGEON, I LIKE THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR. MORSE CODE. SO IT'S NOT, IF YOU'RE COMMUNICATING IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM ABOUT A MANNER THAT IS GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU, IT IS COVERED. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP TRACK OF THESE. THAT WILL BE LATER IN THE MEETING OR IN THIS PRESENTATION. THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR TEXT MESSAGES, YOUR E-MAILS, IF YOU'RE NOT USING A CITY-DESIGNATED E-MAIL.

ARE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP AND PROVIDE, IF REQUESTED BY THE CLERK OR BY THE PLANNING STAFF OR THE CITY? AND THEN OUR STAFF, OR MYSELF, ANY OF US, WE CANNOT BE LIAISONS. SO IF THIS WAS COMING BEFORE THE BOARD TONIGHT, THIS CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCES, YOU KNOW, IF I WERE TO CALL EACH OF YOU, OR ACTUALLY WHEN I WAS IN PRIVATE PRACTICE, IF I WERE TO CALL EACH OF YOU, I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SAY, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, BOARD MEMBER GILLETTE AND BOARD MEMBER FORAN, THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR IT. YOU KNOW, I WANT A RECOMMENDATION IN FAVOR FROM YOU AS WELL.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT. STAFF'S NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT. WE CAN TALK TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY, BUT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A LIAISON AND TELL YOU WHAT THE OTHER ONE SAID. CAN YOU STILL SOCIALIZE AND GO TO THE SAME FUNCTION? AND YES, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING

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WE GENERALLY DO A NOTICE OF GATHERING, BUT THAT DOES NOT CURE. I'VE HEARD SOME PEOPLE SAY, WELL, WE HAD A NOTICE OF GATHERING, SO THAT MEANS WE CAN TALK. A NOTICE OF GATHERING IS JUST SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN CREATED BY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT.

WE ARE AWARE THAT MORE THAN ONE BOARD MEMBER IS GOING TO BE THERE. THERE'S NO STATUTORY REQUIREMENT FOR IT.

IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN TALK ABOUT MATTERS COMING BEFORE YOU. IT JUST SAYS TO THE PUBLIC, YES, WE KNOW.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO CALL AND TELL US THAT THREE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WERE THERE. WE KNOW. AND SO WE WOULD PROBABLY DO A NOTICE OF GATHERING FOR ALL OF YOUR MEETINGS IF YOU DECIDED TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE BOARD MEMBER PRESENT. AND YOU JUST CAN'T HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS, IF YOU'RE HAVING COFFEE, IF YOU'RE GOING OUT FOR LUNCH, OF ANY MATTERS THAT ARE GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU. AND THEN THAT IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT BOARD MEMBERS CAN DISCUSS TOPICS. SO THE NOTICE OF GATHERING, AGAIN, IS JUST SIMPLY SOMETHING TO LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT WE KNOW IT'S HAPPENING. AND THEN, WITH PUBLIC ATTENDEES AND COMMENTS, LIKE WE'VE SAID, THE MEETINGS MUST BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. VIDEO AND AUDIO IS PERMITTED. SO IF SOMEONE COMES TO ANY OF THESE TOWN HALLS THAT YOU HOLD AND THEY WANT TO VIDEOTAPE IT FROM THE BACK OF THE ROOM, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. IF IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE HEARD.

WE GENERALLY HAVE RULES LIKE THREE MINUTES AND NO DISRUPTIVE AND DON'T SPEAK OVER A PERSON. YOU CAN'T PASS YOUR TIME OFF TO SOMEONE ELSE. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE THOSE TYPES OF RULES, BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SPEAK. AND OUR MEETING NOTICES, WE PHYSICALLY POST THEM AT CITY HALL, PEC, UTILITIES BILLING, AND THE REC CENTER.

THEN THERE'S AN ONLINE CALENDAR AND THEN THERE'S A LINK TO OUR AGENDAS AS WELL, INCLUDING THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. YOURS ARE NOTICED A WEEK AHEAD OF TIME, AND YOU POST YOUR AGENDA AHEAD OF TIME. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE ADVERTISE MATTERS THAT ARE COMING BEFORE YOU PURSUANT TO YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

PENALTIES FOR OPEN MEETING VIOLATIONS.

ANY ACTION THAT YOU TAKE COULD BE VOID AB INITIO, MEANS JUST VOID AS A MATTER OF LAW. AND IT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST ANYMORE. IT CAN ALSO BE STRICKEN BY A COURT. THERE ARE CURES TO SUNSHINE LAW VIOLATIONS. SO IF WE HAD ONE, IF WE REALIZED WE DIDN'T PROPERLY NOTICE THIS FOR SOME REASON, AND RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, WE WERE SHOCKED THAT WE DIDN'T NOTICE IT. YOU KNOW, WE COULD STOP, RECONVENE AT A LATER TIME WITH THE PROPER NOTICE AND JUST RECREATE WHAT HAPPENED.

BUT WE WANT TO TRY AND AVOID THAT AT ALL COSTS, AND IT'S... I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S HAPPENED HERE IN A VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY LONG TIME. SECONDARY MISDEMEANORS WITH A PUNISHMENT OF IMPRISONMENT UP TO 60 DAYS OR $500 CAN BE PART OF THE PUNISHMENT. SUSPENSION OR REMOVAL OF OFFICE BY THE GOVERNOR, YOU KNOW, IF AN ETHICS COMPLAINT IS FILED AND YOU'RE FOUND TO BE IN VIOLATION, OR THE STATE ATTORNEY CAN BRING CHARGES, THEY CAN CONVENE A GRAND JURY, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND THEN FINES UP TO $500 IN REASONABLE ATTORNEY'S FEES IF YOU DO GO TO COURT. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE PRETTY SEVERE FINES AND PUNISHMENTS. AND THEN THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW, THAT IS ALSO IN THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION AND UNDER CHAPTER 119 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES.

AGAIN, IT APPLIES TO THIS BOARD. IT'S ALL UNITS OF GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING THE DISTRICTS, MUNICIPALITIES, COUNTIES, STATE DEPARTMENTS, AND AGENCIES. ON THE SUNSHINE LAW, YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW THIS. BACK TO THE SUNSHINE LAW. LEGISLATURE EXEMPTED THEMSELVES FROM THAT. AND WHAT IS A PUBLIC RECORD? HERE WE ARE AGAIN. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS WITH BETWEEN TWO OF YOU. ANYTHING.

IF YOU HAVE A TEXT, NOW TRANSITORY TEXT, LIKE, I'M GOING TO BE LATE TO THE MEETING. NO.

BUT WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT CERTIFIED RECOVERY RESIDENCE ORDINANCE? I THOUGHT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT WAS TOO ONEROUS. I'M REALLY GLAD THAT WE DIDN'T DO THAT. YOU KNOW, WE AMENDED THAT. THAT KIND OF A TEXT WOULD BE A PUBLIC RECORD.

SO ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR PUBLIC BUSINESS, AND AGAIN, THAT IS ON YOU TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT IN CASE THERE'S A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE BOARDS GET THESE REQUESTS.

WE DO, AS STAFF GET REQUESTS A LOT.

BUT IF ANYBODY MAKES A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST OF YOU, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TRY AND HELP THEM AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. AND NOT TELL THEM THEY HAVE TO GO TALK TO THE CLERK. YOU CAN OFFER TO TO HELP THEM FILL OUT A FORM, ASK THEM WHAT IT IS THEY WANT AND WHEN THEY WANT IT BY.

BUT THE REQUESTERS DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE YOU ANY IDENTIFYING INFORMATION, WHICH MAKES IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT. IF YOU RECEIVE A PUBLIC RECORD, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THAT RECORD, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. YOU

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BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT, TECHNICALLY, YOU CAN'T ASK THEM FOR THEIR NAME, THEIR ADDRESS, THEIR PHONE NUMBER.

BUT YOU CAN ASK, WOULD YOU LIKE AN EMAIL WHEN THIS IS READY? AND THEN IF THEY SAY YES, YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, WHAT'S YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE CAN'T NOTIFY YOU.

BUT THEY COULD SAY, I JUST WANT TO PICK IT UP AT THE CLERK'S OFFICE AT 3 O'CLOCK TOMORROW. AND YOU SAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED.

BUT BEST PRACTICE IS JUST TRY TO ASSIST THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND NOT DEFER THEM AND SAY, OH, YOU HAVE TO GO TALK TO THE CLERK. THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IF YOU FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE AND YOU SAY, LISTEN, I'D LIKE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH OUR STAFF LIAISON TO HELP YOU WITH THAT, ESPECIALLY IF THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION. AND THAT'S WHERE THIS IS ANSWERING PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO RECEIVE THAT RECORD? I WILL RESPOND TO THAT REQUEST PROMPTLY.

DON'T SAY GO TO THE CLERK. GO FILL OUT A FORM AND DON'T SAY I NEED YOUR NAME AND NUMBER.

BUT AGAIN, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO BE HELPFUL AND THEY'RE WILLING TO GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION, THEN YOU SHOULD ASK FOR IT.

LIKE, IF THEY SAY THEY WANT IT BY EMAIL, IF THEY SAY THEY WANT A PHONE CALL WHEN IT'S READY, THEN THAT OPENS THE DOOR FOR YOU TO ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION. AND AGAIN, THE FINES UP TO 500, SUSPENSION OR REMOVAL OR IMPEACHMENT. YOU WOULD NOT BE IMPEACHED. FIRST-DEGREE MISDEMEANOR, UP TO A YEAR IN PRISON AND A THOUSAND DOLLAR FINE. AND IF A PERSON HAS BEEN DENIED THE RIGHT TO INSPECT RECORDS, THEY CAN BRING A CIVIL ACTION.

AND THEY'RE SUBJECT TO IMMEDIATE HEARINGS. SO THEY HAVE THE SUMMARY PROCEEDINGS, WHICH MEANS YOU GENERALLY HAVE TO HAVE A COURT DATE WITHIN FIVE DAYS. SO THAT, AND AGAIN, FOR PUBLIC RECORDS, YOU CAN CONTACT MY OFFICE, YOU CAN CONTACT MS. BEST'S OFFICE, AND THE STATUTES AND THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS ARE ALSO AVAILABLE ONLINE. THERE ARE REALLY GOOD ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS ABOUT TOWN HALLS AND PUBLIC FORUMS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER. THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU CAN ATTEND, YOU JUST CANNOT ENGAGE WITH ONE ANOTHER, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WATCHING. AND YOU CAN ATTEND AND LISTEN AND NOT SAY A WORD.

YOU CAN MAKE STATEMENTS, BUT YOU JUST CANNOT BOUNCE OFF ONE ANOTHER. AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS ARE VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REALLY WALKING THAT FINE LINE OF WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO.

SO WITH THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ONE MAYBE GENERAL QUESTION.

ON OCCASION, I GUESS, ALL OF US HAVE BEEN INVITED TO GO TO A CLASS, SAY, AT FTC. AND SO THERE'LL BE MULTIPLE ONES IN AND OUT. WE AREN'T TALKING TO EACH OTHER, BUT WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS OF WHOEVER THE INSTRUCTOR IS.

IS THERE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT? RIGHT, AND THAT'S A GREAT, DISTINGUISHING QUESTION. THESE ARE MATTERS THAT ARE GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE VOTING ON THOSE MATTERS. SO IT'S OKAY TO DISCUSS THESE CLASSES IF YOU'RE DISCUSSING HOW, YOU, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A SUNSHINE LAW CLASS. I MEAN, WHAT KIND OF CLASS ARE YOU? TALKING ABOUT? A LOT OF THEM ARE JUST ABOUT PLANNING, AND, IN OTHER WORDS, HOW DO YOU BECOME A BETTER PLANNER? SO THEY'RE MORE OF AN EDUCATIONAL THING.

BUT YOU MIGHT ASK A QUESTION, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT LEADING, THOUGH, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A MATTER COMING BEFORE YOU. SO YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO GIVE THE EXAMPLE OF, OH, NEXT WEEK WE HAVE A REZONING ON OUR AGENDA. OKAY. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN ALL OF YOU ARE THERE. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IT, AND IT'S A QUASI-JUDICIAL, AND I'M WONDERING, FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO USE ANY MATTERS THAT ARE COMING BEFORE YOU AS EXAMPLES. OTHER QUESTIONS? THANKS, TERESA.

OKAY, THANK YOU. THIS IS THE HOT SEAT, ISN'T IT? I DON'T HAVE A REQUEST

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BARB GINGER, YOU'RE 12-27.

RICHARD, YOU'RE 12-28. NICK, YOU'RE 12-26. AND DAPHNE, YOU ARE 12-28. WE OUGHT TO PUT ONE IN FOR... TREY ROBINSON PROBABLY NOBODY. I WOULDN'T KNOW TREY IF HE WALKED IN THE ROOM, BUT HE DOES REPRESENT THE SCHOOL BOARD. WE OUGHT TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE FOR HIM. JUST WHERE ARE YOU SAYING THEY'RE LISTING AT? THIS IS IN ITS SITE. I JUST WENT IN AND SAID, PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, LIST OF THE PEOPLE, ALL RIGHT, BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE DATE IS NOT IN THERE. YOU GOT TO GO OVER AND CLICK ON THEIR NAME, THEN IT BRINGS UP AN INDIVIDUAL. THAT SHOULD BE AN EASY FIX AND CAN BE DONE. AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE CLERK'S OFFICE OR WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, SO I WASN'T REALLY SURE WHO TO FEED IT TO. YEAH, I CAN DO THAT. BUT WE OUGHT TO BE RIGHT ON IT IN TERMS OF IT. THAT'S IT. ANYTHING ELSE? WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.