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THIS IS COMPUTER. ALL RIGHT GUYS

[1. Call to Order / Roll Call / Determination of a Quorum]

[00:00:09]

CALLED TO ORDER. BOARD SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

MEMBER THOMPSON. HERE. MEMBER POSTMA. HERE. VICE CHAIR FOTIADES.

HERE. CHAIR STINES. I AM HERE. THANK YOU. SO WE'LL START OFF WITH A EVERYBODY STAND, PLEASE, FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AND THEN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MEMBER THOMPSON, TO DO AN INVOCATION AFTERWARDS THANK YOU. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

LET US PRAY. OUR FATHER GOD, WE COME TONIGHT, OH, LORD.

AND WE SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY BLESSINGS, FOR YOUR MULTITUDE OF TENDER MERCIES.

LORD, IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR YOU ON OUR SIDE, WHERE WOULD WE BE, LORD? NOW, LORD, WE PRAY. WE INVOKE YOUR PRESENCE HERE IN THIS MEETING OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND APPEALS BOARD.

LEAD AND GUIDE IN A MANNER THAT'S PLEASING IN THY SIGHT.

WE GIVE YOU THE PRAISE, THE HONOR AND THE GLORY.

WE ASK IT ALL IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. AMEN, AMEN.

MIGHT BE OKAY

[3. Approval of Minutes]

SORRY OKAY. ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO BRING THOSE INTO ORDER, PLEASE.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.

SECOND. OKAY. IF WE COULD TAKE A VOTE. OKAY. MEMBER THOMPSON.

YES. MEMBER POSTMA. YES. VICE CHAIR FOTIADES.

YES. CHAIR STINES ALL RIGHT. MINUTES HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED. ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? YES. THERE IS. OKAY. ITEM 5.1 AND 5.2 WERE BOTH GRANTED EXTENSIONS AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TONIGHT.

[4.1 Scrivener's Error Correction Donna J. Mitchell Living Trust, Case 2025-0571]

OKAY, REGARDING THE OLD BUSINESS. YES DO WE HAVE A CORRECTION OF AN ADDRESS? YES. THE ADDRESS ON THERE'S A SCRIVENER'S ERROR CORRECTION ON DONNA J.

MITCHELL LIVING TRUST, 608 NORTH 14TH STREET.

CASE 2025-0571 NORTH. THE ADDRESS IS 608 NORTH 14TH.

AND THE ERROR WAS THAT IT'S AT 608 SOUTH. SO WE'RE JUST CORRECTING THAT.

OKAY. CAN WE DO THAT WITH SIMPLY ALL IN FAVOR SAYING AYE? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OKAY. SO ACCEPTED.

OKAY. GREAT

[6. Board Business]

THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR. IS THERE A PROCEDURE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD FOR THAT? NO. WHAT YOU CAN DO IS ANYONE CAN NOMINATE SOMEONE IF YOU WANT TO SERVE AGAIN.

YOU CAN SAY TO YOUR BOARD THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SERVE AGAIN, AND OR ANY ONE OF YOU CAN NOMINATE ANOTHER ONE TO BE CHAIR AND THEN ONE TO BE VICE CHAIR.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE DO IT IN TWO MOTIONS. I AM FINE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION FOR BOTH, [LAUGHTER] I NOMINATE SO AND SO, MOVE SO AND SO AND SO AND AS CHAIR AND SO AND SO AS VICE CHAIR.

AND THEN IF THERE'S A SECOND YOU CAN VOTE. OKAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AS CHAIR I'M FINE WITH BEING THE CHAIR FOR THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE ME TO BE.

ANDY I DON'T KNOW I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY, SO. ALL IN FAVOR? CAN WE DO AN ALL IN FAVOR? SURE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NOPE. THEN ALL CARRIED. [LAUGHTER] YES.

THAT'S WONDERFUL. THE ELECTION HAS BEEN OFFICIAL.

OFFICIAL. OKAY. BOARD PROCEDURES UPDATE. CAN YOU BRING THOSE UP ON THE SCREEN, OR WOULD WE HAVE TO EMAIL THEM OVER TO? OH, SO THROUGH THE CHAIR, IF I MAY? AT THE LAST MEETING, WE HAD SOME BOARD PROCEDURES THAT REALLY WEREN'T APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, FOR A CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD. WE WERE TRYING TO THINK OF SOMETHING THAT I WAS TRYING TO COME UP WITH.

SOMETHING THAT WAS A LITTLE BETTER SUITED FOR THIS BOARD. WE DID NOT GET IT HANDED OUT TO YOU AHEAD OF TIME.

SO, MEMBER THOMPSON, I'M NOT SURE. DID YOU GET ONE YET?

[00:05:01]

WHILE WE WERE WAITING. OH, THAT. YES. YES, YES, YES.

WE HAVE THESE FOR YOU TONIGHT AND WE CAN REVIEW THEM.

IF WE CAN GET THEM UP ON THE SCREEN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEM AS WELL THAT WAY. BUT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY CHANGES, WE CAN MAKE THEM BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. I DID HAND THEM OUT.

BOARD MEMBER THOMPSON, WHILE WE WERE WAITING FOR YOU TO COME. IT GAVE US A FEW MINUTES TO READ. WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THEM, THOUGH, FOR THE RECORD. [LAUGHTER] AND SO WHAT THESE ARE IS, AS YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A QUASI JUDICIAL BOARD. SO MOST BOARDS, THEY READ THESE STATEMENTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THEIR QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING, YOU WOULD HAVE THEM UP AT THE FRONT ONCE WE FINALIZE THEM AND YOU APPROVE THEM.

AND IT JUST TELLS THE PUBLIC THAT QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS ARE LESS FORMAL THAN A COURT HEARING, BUT THEY DO STILL HAVE EVIDENCE, AND THE LAW REQUIRES THAT THE EVIDENCE BE COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL.

SO IF I'M SOMEONE THAT YOU KNOW. I CAN'T TESTIFY TO THINGS THAT I DON'T HAVE COMPETENCE COMPETENCY IN.

THE COURTS HAVE SAID THAT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING ON YOUR STREET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE COMPETENT ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND YOU.

BUT THERE HAS TO BE EVIDENCE RELATED TO THE CASE IN YOUR SPECIFIC CASE.

ANY, ANY CASES THAT YOU'RE HEARING. AND THEN IT LAYS OUT THAT FIRST, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WOULD PRESENT THE CASE AND THE EVIDENCE OF THE VIOLATION OF EITHER THE CITY'S ORDINANCES OR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, DEPENDING FOR THE SOURCE OF THE VIOLATION, AND THAT THE RESPONDENT, WHO IS THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE RIGHT TO PROVIDE A RESPONSE.

THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO PRESENT EVIDENCE, CALL WITNESSES, AND CROSS-EXAMINE OPPOSING WITNESSES, OR QUESTION OPPOSING WITNESSES. WE CAN SOFTEN THAT WORD.

AND THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF YOUR HEARINGS HAVE WITNESSES, YOU KNOW, BUT WE JUST PUT THAT IN THERE IN CASE THEY WANTED TO CALL A WITNESS.

AND THEN IT REMINDS YOU THAT YOU'RE THE FINDER OF FACT, AND YOU EVALUATE THE TESTIMONY AND THE EVIDENCE, AND THAT THEN YOU DETERMINE IF THE VIOLATION DOES EXIST BASED ON THE EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD AND THE ORDER OF THE RELIEF WHICH YOU'RE USED TO DOING, WHICH IS COMPLIANCE FINES, INCLUDING ADMINISTRATIVE FEES OR BOTH.

AND AGAIN, IT JUST REMINDS ANYBODY READING THIS THAT IT MUST BE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THEY'RE PRESENTING AND FACTUAL EVIDENCE THAT THEY'RE PRESENTING.

THEN WE DID TALK ABOUT ON PAGE ONE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE SECOND TO LAST PARAGRAPH AT THE END.

MS. FORSSTRÖM DID POINT OUT THAT EMAIL COMMUNICATIONS RECEIVED ARE PART OF THE RECORD, BUT WITHOUT MORE, THEY CAN'T BE CONSIDERED COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. THAT IS, I CAN CLARIFY THAT IN THE SENSE THAT IF ANYBODY, LIKE NEIGHBORS WERE SENDING EMAILS ABOUT THE VIOLATION AND WANTING YOU TO ENFORCE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST A GENERAL OPINION. THAT'S NOT EVIDENCE, YOU KNOW.

SO I CAN CLARIFY THAT THAT'S REALLY COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC OR THE RESPONDENT BECAUSE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THEMSELVES, IF AN EMAIL COMPLAINT COMES IN, YOU KNOW, THEY VERIFY IT.

EVEN IF SOMEBODY HAS PICTURES ATTACHED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE EVIDENCE THAT COMES IN WITHOUT VERIFYING IT BEFORE A HEARING.

SO THAT EMAILS SECTION BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH MS. FORSSTRÖM WOULD BE AMENDED TO CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BETTER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMAILS FROM CITIZENRY OR A COMPLAINING PARTY. AND THEN IT DOES TELL THEM PROPERTY OWNERS ARE ENTITLED TO BE REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL.

IT IS VERY UNUSUAL AT ANY QUASI JUDICIAL BOARD, YOU KNOW, UNLESS IT'S SOME REZONINGS AT THE PLANNING BOARD LEVEL AND COMMISSION LEVEL, THEY'LL HAVE AN ATTORNEY PRESENT. I'M NOT SURE IF THIS.

HAVE YOU EVER HAD AN ATTORNEY? WELL, I'VE BEEN HERE.

[LAUGHTER] I'VE BEEN HERE. YEAH. [LAUGHTER] HAVE YOU HAD ANY OTHERS ATTORNEY PRESENT? I WAS SITTING HERE THINKING, YEAH, I'VE BEEN HERE [LAUGHTER]. OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE HAD YEAH, YEAH. AND SOMETIMES WHEN THEY REALIZE THE FINE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OR WHATEVER THEY MAY ASK FOR, AND THIS JUST TELLS THEM THAT THEY CAN BE REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL.

AND SO WE WOULD READ THIS AT THE BEGINNING. AND THAT WAY IF THEY WANTED TO LEAVE OR ASK THE CHAIR FOR A CONTINUANCE, THEY COULD ASK FOR THAT TO GO GET COUNSEL. AND I HAVE I HAVE SEEN THAT IN OTHER HEARINGS I'VE BEEN IN WHEN LIKE THERE'S A TREE FIND THAT'S IN THE COUNTY, THEY CAN FIND LIKE $15,000, YOU KNOW, THEY GO AND THEY I'D LIKE TO GO GET A LAWYER.

[LAUGHTER] SO THAT WOULD YOU WOULD WE WOULD READ THAT IN THE RECORD, GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY.

AND THEN THE PROCEDURES ARE ON THE SECOND PAGE, WHICH ARE BASICALLY THE PROCEDURES YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING.

AND WE'VE PUT SOME TIME, YOU KNOW, AS EVERYBODY'S SWORN IN, YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER PRESENTS THE CASE AND THE EVIDENCE, WE PUT A TIME LIMIT ON IT THAT WAY. IT JUST ESTABLISHES IT.

FOR IF YOU EVER HAD A HOTLY CONTESTED HEARING, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THEM IN PLACE SO YOU'RE NOT REACTIONARY AND THEN IT JUST GOES THROUGH.

NUMBER 12 LAYING OUT THE RESPONDENT CAN QUESTION ANY WITNESSES.

[00:10:05]

IF THERE ARE ANY, THEN THEY CAN PROVIDE THEIR TESTIMONY AS YOU'RE USED TO.

THEY COME UP AND AND TALK ABOUT WHY OR THE CONDITIONS OR YOU KNOW, WHY THEY HAVEN'T COMPLIED YET.

YEAH. I'M ON THE SECOND PAGE. THANK YOU. I'M ON FOUR AND THEN FIVE.

IF THE RESPONDENT DID HAVE BRING WITNESSES THEN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER COULD QUESTION THEM.

AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT IN SIX THAT IF THEY PRESENT WITNESSES, THE WITNESSES PRESENT, ANYTHING OR ANYBODY PRESENTS ANYTHING, IT HAS TO GO INTO THE RECORD. AND THEN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER GENERALLY WRAPS UP, AND THEN YOU CLOSE THE HEARING AND DISCUSS THE CASE AMONG YOURSELF, WHICH I THINK IS HOW YOU NORMALLY ACT. AND YOU THEN ASK YOUR QUESTIONS.

AND I KNOW SOMETIMES YOU MAY EVEN ASK QUESTIONS WHY EITHER ARE TESTIFYING.

AND THEN WE JUST ANNOUNCE IN THAT THE MEETING'S BEING RECORDED SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INTERRUPTION, NO APPLAUSE OUTBURSTS. AND THEN I REPRESENT THE BOARD.

AND I COULD GIVE ADVICE. I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY WAS TRYING TO ENTER EVIDENCE THAT THE BOARD WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU COULD ASK ME WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS RELEVANT AND I COULD EXCLUDE IT, ADVISE YOU THAT IT COULD BE EXCLUDED.

AND THEN ANY TIME LIMITS THAT WE GIVE AGAIN, THAT'S JUST I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM HERE, BUT THE TIME LIMITS ARE THERE TO PROTECT IN MORE CONTENTIOUS CASES.

BUT THEN YOU'RE ALSO ALLOWED TO EXTEND TIME IF NEEDED.

AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. SO WE USUALLY READ THESE OUT.

AND THEN IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS THEY CAN ASK THEM.

SO THAT IT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU SAW BEFORE.

AND I KNOW CERTAINLY MEMBER THOMPSON HASN'T HAD ANY TIME TO LOOK AT THEM.

WE CAN BRING THEM BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING. OR WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME.

I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING PHONE COMMUNICATION.

HOW IS THAT MEMORIALIZED? LIKE, IF I'M A IF A IF A PERSON CALLS AND TALKS TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND THEY HAVE A CONVERSATION, HOW IS THAT MEMORIALIZED? GENERALLY IT'S NOT.

AND I MEAN THE AND WHILE MICHELLE'S WALKING OVER THERE, I MEAN THEY CAN KEEP NOTES AND OFTEN AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT MICHELLE'S GOING TO SAY OFTEN.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT THEY PUT IT IN WRITING.

YOU KNOW. PLEASE EMAIL ME. I'VE HEARD YOU KNOW, BUT PLEASE EMAIL ME ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT SO THAT WE HAVE A RECORD OF IT AND.

PLEASE, AND YOU CAN SPEAK TO HOW YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING IT RIGHT NOW. MICHELLE FORSSTRÖM CODE ENFORCEMENT.

SO TYPICALLY IF WE HAVE A PHONE CONVERSATION OR AN IN PERSON CONVERSATION, WE WILL PUT NOTES IN THE CASE THAT WE HAVE TALKED TO THEM. WE EVEN DO IT WITH EMAILS. WE'LL COPY THE EMAIL AND PUT IT AND PUT IT IN OUR SYSTEM.

SO WE TRY VERY, VERY HARD TO KEEP GOOD, GOOD NOTES AND PUT THEM IN THE SYSTEM.

DOES THAT HELP? SO IT'S NOT? IT'S NOT A PART OF THE REGULAR PROCEDURE THEN? I'M ASKING I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CONFIDENTIAL.

SO YES. OKAY. IT SHOULD BE. YES. [LAUGHTER] OKAY.

YES. THERE ARE TIMES I'M NOT GOING TO I'M NOT GOING TO LIE THAT YOU MIGHT NOT GET SOMETHING INTO THE SYSTEM.

WE'VE GOTTEN MUCH, MUCH BETTER. I THINK OUR DOCUMENTATION HAS COME A LONG WAY OVER THE YEARS, SO. BUT YES, WE REALLY IF WE TALK TO SOMEBODY IN ANY FASHION THAT GOES IN THE SYSTEM.

I WONDER IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR MY COMPANY.

WE HAVE A TELECOM FORM. THAT, YOU KNOW, DATE TIME, INDIVIDUALS, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS INVOLVED AND THEN AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN TAKE ADDITIONAL NOTES AND THEN SIGN OFF AT THE BOTTOM OF IT, IF THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL PROCEDURE TO DOCUMENT.

AND WE, I THINK MS. RHIMES, I TRY AND DO THIS AS WELL.

AND I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF CHERYL DOESN'T DO IT WHILE WE'RE TALKING, WE'LL JUST.

THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY IF YOU CAN. AND JUST PUT IT IN.

BUT THAT'S NOT ALTOGETHER A BAD IDEA EITHER. IT'S JUST MORE PAPERWORK.

BUT THAT DOESN'T IT WOULD. YES. GO AHEAD. IT IS ALSO DOCUMENTED.

EVERY PHONE CALL WE RECEIVE, THERE'S A WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION FOR BACK AND FORTH IN OFFICE AT LEAST.

AND THEN ALSO IN THE CASE FILE AS WELL. LIKE SHE WAS SAYING, HOLD ON THROUGH THE CHAIR.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND THOSE ARE REPRESENTATIONS.

OF WHAT? OF THEIR INTERPRETATION AND HEARING OF THE CALL.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY. TWO YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAN FOLLOW UP WITH AN EMAIL IS ALWAYS GREAT.

[00:15:01]

NOT EVERYBODY WHO HAS THAT ACCESS, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT AT ALL, BUT ANY KIND OF NOTES THAT WE TAKE, THE REASON THEY MAY NOT. I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT IS THE INTERPRETATION OF WHAT WAS HEARD.

RIGHT? YOU'RE JUST WRITING DOWN WHAT YOU KNOW.

SO THAT MAY BE WHY IT'S NOT ALWAYS IN THE RECORD EITHER.

YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT YOU MADE THE CALL IS ONE THING BECAUSE THAT CAN BE DOCUMENTED.

BUT REPRESENTING WHAT WAS SAID IS YOU'RE DOING IT TO THE BEST AND MOST ACCURATELY AS YOU CAN.

THAT SORT OF THING. AND POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, GRANTED AN EXTENSION.

RIGHT. THEY SAID THEY'D HAVE IT CUT BY FRIDAY.

SO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WORD FOR WORD? NO. YEAH. THAT THAT'S DANGEROUS.

YEAH. [LAUGHTER] GOOD. IS THAT ALL YOU NEED FROM ME? I THINK SO. I WILL BE RIGHT HERE. OKAY. ON THAT FIRST PAGE, SECOND TO LAST PARAGRAPH.

YES. THAT'S THAT EMAIL COMMUNICATIONS. YES. WOULD IT BE BEST IF THAT GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMALIZED? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF CRYSTAL'S ON HER WAY OVER HERE AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PHONE RINGS OUT AND, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT GET INCORPORATED INTO THE RECORD WITHOUT GIVING HER THE TIME AND CHERYL THE TIME TOO? AND THANK YOU. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.

AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS THE CONCEPT THAT IF IT DOES COME IN LATE, IT'S STILL A RECORD OF THE CITY, BUT IT JUST MAY NOT MAKE IT INTO THIS HEARING.

AND EVEN AND THEN AS WE'VE SAID, IT MAY ALSO NOT BE SOMETHING THAT IS COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND WOULD EVEN BE ADMITTED INTO EVIDENCE IF THEY'RE NOT. IF IT'S JUST A NEIGHBOR OR. NOT THAT NEIGHBORS ARE NOT IMPORTANT, BUT IF THEY'RE JUST PROMOTING THE FINE OR PROMOTING THAT YOU ACTUALLY YOU KNOW, FIND THEM IN VIOLATION.

THAT'S JUST OPINION, RIGHT? IT WOULDN'T REALLY BE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

BUT I DO AGREE, TIGHTENING UP THAT ANY EMAIL COMMUNICATION HAS TO BE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO EVEN MAKE IT IN, BUT THEN ALSO NEEDS TO BE RECEIVED BY A CERTAIN TIME OR IT WILL NOT MAKE IT IN.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT? NO OKAY. AND I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS WHEN IT COMES TO PHOTO DOCUMENTATION, YOU KNOW, I KNOW CRYSTAL AND YOU KNOW, EMPLOYERS, WHOEVER MIGHT BE DEALING WITH IT HOW DO WE PUT IN A SAFEGUARD WHERE IT'S NOT AN ALTERED PHOTO.

RIGHT. AND THAT THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO AT THAT POINT IS JUST ASK THEM TO VERIFY THAT THEY TOOK THE PICTURE AND THAT THEY DID NOT ALTER IT.

YOU KNOW, ON THE RECORD THEY ARE UNDER OATH. IF THEY BRING A PICTURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY, ASK THEM, DID YOU TAKE THIS PICTURE? AND HAS IT BEEN ALTERED? AND THEY WOULD SAY YES OR NO. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE PERSON PROVIDING THE RECORD.

SO WE CAN ADD THROUGH THE CHAIR IF IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD THAT ANY PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE MUST BE VERIFIED BY THE PERSON THAT TOOK THE PICTURE AND BE UNALTERED. YES OKAY IN COURT, IF I MAY, THROUGH THE CHAIR. WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PERSON WHO TOOK IT.

IT'S WE'RE NOT AT THAT LEVEL HERE, BUT THE PERSON WHO TOOK IT SIGNED AN AFFIDAVIT.

OR IF I'M SUBMITTING AN EMAIL INTO A COURT DOCUMENT, THE PERSON WHO SENT THE EMAIL HAS TO SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT THAT THEY SWEAR AND AFFIRM IT WAS THEIRS AND UNALTERED. BEFORE IT CAN GET INTO, YOU KNOW, A PAPER RECORD, WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY TESTIFYING, TO BE ABLE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SWORN AFFIDAVITS UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT THEY'RE CORRECT.

SO IT WAS A VERY, VERY GOOD POINT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CONCERNS? SURE. I AM GOOD WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED

[00:20:02]

MR. CHAIRMAN, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO LOOK AT THESE. SO WOULD YOU MIND IF I INQUIRED IF THEY HAD ANY COMMENTS OR? AND I CAN ALSO DO IT OFF THE RECORD. I JUST THOUGHT YOU GUYS COULD HEAR IT.

FORSSTRÖM. YOU TOOK TIME TO READ THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE.

[LAUGHTER] THAT WAS THE ONLY THING ALL RIGHT. CRYSTAL YOU'RE STILL ABSORBING. OKAY. SO WITH THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE WE CAN, YOU CAN.

I CAN BRING THEM BACK TO BE APPROVED AT YOUR NEXT MEETING.

UNDER OLD BUSINESS BEFORE WE HAVE ANY HEARINGS.

IF THAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD. YES, THAT WOULD BE FINE.

CAN WE CONFIRM THE NEXT HEARING DATE? MARCH 5TH.

OKAY. IT IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE AMELIA CAR SHOW.

[LAUGHTER].

IS THAT THE THURSDAY THAT THEY HAVE? NO THEY DO THE CARS DOWNTOWN ON FRIDAY.

RIGHT IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS THAT ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP? NO, SIR SECOND, THAT. MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN.

SECOND. [LAUGHTER] SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE. OKAY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.