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>> WE'RE IN THE CITY HALL COMMISSION CHAMBERS,
[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
MACKENNAH, YOU'RE GOING TO CALL THE ROLL TONIGHT?>> STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. DAPHNE, YOU WILL LEAD US?
[3.1 Approval of Minutes for the December 10, 2025 Regular Meeting.]
>> WE MOVE TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
ANYONE HAVE ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES?
>> YEAH. WELL, IT'S REALLY A QUESTION ABOUT THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
[OVERLAPPING] I BELIEVE THAT'S INCORRECT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN OPEN ISSUE OF SOMETHING WE SENT TO THE COMMISSIONERS CONCERNING THE MOBILITY FEES.
I THINK THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT LEAST INCLUDED ON HERE, IF NOT FOR A ONE-MINUTE DISCUSSION.
>> WELL, I THINK WE'RE STILL GOING TO START WITH NEW BUSINESS.
>> NO, BECAUSE OLD BUSINESS COMES BEFORE NEW BUSINESS.
>> IT COULD JUST BE A REPORT BY STAFF UNDER NUMBER 7.
I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR, I DIDN'T MEAN TO BOTHER YOU.
>> NO. THANK YOU, TERESA. GO AHEAD.
>> PETER, I HAVE TALKED WITH GLENN AND MARGARET BOTH, AND I SUSPECT OTHERS OF YOU HAVE TOO, AND SO THERE'S NOT MUCH TO REPORT.
BUT IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH IT, THEN LET'S HAVE GLENN AND MARGARET TALK TO IT ON SEVEN, IS THAT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> MR. CHAIR, BUT I BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE IT IS IN THE MINUTES THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THIS LETTER CREATED AND THEN SENT TO THE CITY COMMISSION, THAT I THINK, AS PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD, IT NEEDS TO BE ATTACHED TO THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IN OUR PACKET.
TO SHOW THAT IT ACTUALLY WAS DONE DURING THIS PARTICULAR TIME, WHICH WAS DURING THIS LAST MEETING.
>> I'M HEARING THE WILL OF THE BOARD IS TO ADDRESS IT NOW.
>> WELL, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY IF WE DID A MOTION OR SOMETHING.
WE COULD STILL DEFER IT AND JUST DO IT UNDER STAFF, BUT I JUST HAVE IT DOCUMENTED HERE THAT OLD BUSINESS DOES DEAL WITH THAT LETTER.
>> WELL, LET'S CALL THIS PIECE OF OLD BUSINESS DEAL WITH IT NOW. [OVERLAPPING].
>> CAN WE HANDLE THE MINUTES UNDER 3.1 FIRST?
>> WE DID? [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]
MAKE A MOTION FOR THE MINUTES.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. IS THERE A SECOND?
[Additional Item]
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. I HEAR THE BOARD'S PLEASURE IS TO ADD AN ITEM TO THE AGENDA FOR OLD BUSINESS TO DISCUSS THE IMPACT FEE MATTER.
>> YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> MY CONCERN WAS NOT NECESSARILY TO DISCUSS IT.
THAT COULD BE ANOTHER MEMBER'S CONCERN.
MY CONCERN IS THAT THE LETTER WAS SENT BY THE CHAIR TO THE CITY COMMISSION, AS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD, NEEDS TO BE ATTACHED TO THE PACKET, UNDER BASICALLY CONCLUDING THE REQUEST FROM THE BOARD DURING OUR DECEMBER MEETING, THAT THIS LETTER BE WRITTEN.
THEN IT WOULD SHOW THAT THE LETTER WAS ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE BOARD'S REQUEST. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IF WE WANT TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MERITS OR FURTHERING THAT THING, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING.
THERE'S NO RECORD OF THAT LETTER IN OUR PACKET.
>> IN YOUR OLD BUSINESS, YOU COULD SIMPLY SAY A LETTER WAS SENT.
DID WE RECEIVE A RESPONSE OR NO RESPONSE?
>> I THOUGHT WE RECEIVED SOMETHING BACK.
>> NO. MARGARET HAS SENT A COPY OF THE LETTER TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY SHE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL SHE COULD SEND IT OUT TO ALL OF US.
[OVERLAPPING] THE BOARD VOTED TO HAVE A LETTER PREPARED, ACTUALLY TO BE SENT TO THE CITY MANAGER, AND THAT WOULD GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
THE LETTER WAS PREPARED, WAS SENT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COMMISSION, HAVE ALL RECEIVED COPIES OF IT.
THAT'S THE EXTENT OF WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR, THAT COMMUNICATION.
BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF A DOCUMENTED RECORD OF AN ACTION ITEM THAT CAME OUT OF OUR PREVIOUS MEETING.
>> I'M HEARING YOU WE'RE SAYING LET'S PUT THE LETTER WITH THE PACKET TO BE INCLUDED IN.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT'S ALREADY A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.
IT WAS AN INTERNAL MEMO THAT WAS
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FORWARDED TO THE CITY MANAGER FROM THIS BOARD, AND SHE RECEIVED IT.IT'S DATED. IT IS PUBLIC RECORD IN THE SENSE THAT IT WAS SENT, EMAIL.
>> HOW WOULD A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT IT WAS SENT? IF IT'S NOT PART OF OUR RECORD, THE PB.
>> TYPICALLY, INTERNAL MEMOS, EVEN ON OTHER MEMOS THAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST, HAVE BEEN JUST THAT, INTERNAL MEMOS, AND THEN WE WOULD REPORT THAT THAT WAS DONE, AND WE HAVE REPORTED THAT THAT IS DONE.
>> IF WE PUT IT IN THE MINUTES FOR THIS MEETING, ALL THIS DISCUSSION.
I'M NOT REALLY CLEAR ON WHAT THE BOARD'S TRYING TO DO.
IF YOU WANT TO ADD AN AGENDA ITEM, WE SHOULD VOTE ON IT, ADD IT AS OLD BUSINESS, TALK ABOUT IT. IT'LL BE IN YOUR MINUTES.
IF YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE A COPY OF THE LETTER IS SOMEWHERE, THEN YOU CAN REFERENCE IT UNDER AGAIN, STAFF REPORTS, UNDER SEVEN, AND AT LEAST IT WOULD BE REFERENCED AS SENT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> TERESA, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE JUST THE BREAD CRUMBS TO SAY.
I THINK IF WE WANTED TO PUT IT UNDER OLD BUSINESS AND TO SAY THAT IT WAS PREPARED, IT WAS SENT TO THE CITY MANAGER ON THIS DATE, I THINK THAT WOULD SUFFICE.
>> THE BOARD COULD VOTE RIGHT NOW.
DO YOU WANT TO ADD AN ITEM TO YOUR AGENDA, OLD BUSINESS TO DISCUSS THE IMPACT FEE LETTER? WOULD YOU LIKE TO?
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANY WAY ELSE.
>> BUT IF ALL YOU WANT IS THE INFORMATION THAT THE LETTER WAS SENT UNDER OLD BUSINESS, JUST REPORT IN OUR NEXT MINUTE PART OF THIS THAT THAT WAS SENT.
[OVERLAPPING] THAT'S ALL WE WANT.
WE DON'T NEED TO REOPEN THE WHOLE DISCUSSION.
>> THIS IS MINUTES WE'RE FINE.
>> WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING MORE FORMAL THAN WHAT'S BEEN SAID. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M GOING TO BRING UP SOME MORE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE RECEIVED FOR THE BOARD HERE TONIGHT CONCERNING THAT SUBJECT.
>> BUT NONE OF THE REST OF US RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION.
>> THAT'S WHY I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP HERE.
>> SHOULD WE ADD IT AS BOARD BUSINESS?
>> [OVERLAPPING] I WANT TO DOCUMENT THE FACT THAT THAT LETTER WAS SENT AS-. [OVERLAPPING].
>> THEN WE CAN GO ON, AND IF I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT STEP, IF THAT'S ALREADY IN IT, WAIT AND DO THAT WHEN GLENN'S TALKING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE COULD DO THAT AS ONE OVERALL DISCUSSION.
>> YEAH. THAT'S FINE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM.
>> THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE GOING TO NEW BUSINESS, MARGARET.
[5.1 (Legislative) - PAB 2025-0021 - CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH The City of Fernandina Beach requests a Land Development Code (LDC) Text Amendment to LDC Section 11.03.02 - Review and Compliance Report by the Technical Review Committee, in order to remove all references ot the Airport Advisory Commission, which no longer exists.]
YOU WANT TO TAKE US THROUGH?>> I THINK WE'RE READY. [LAUGHTER]
>> TERESA, WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE NEEDED TO DO ADMINISTRATIVELY WITH-.
>> I SUGGESTED HOW WE SHOULD HANDLE IT, YOU GUYS HAVE HANDLED IT.
I THINK WE'RE FINE. [LAUGHTER]
>> CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THE FIRST CASE ON THE NEW BUSINESS IS PAB 2025-0021.
THE APPLICATION FROM THE CITY OF FERNANDINA.
WE'RE REQUESTING A LAND DEVELOPMENT TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE LDC SECTION 11.03-02, THE REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE REPORT BY THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, IN ORDER TO REMOVE ALL REFERENCES TO THE AIRPORT COMMISSION, WHICH IS NO LONGER IN EXISTENCE.
THE TEXT AMENDMENT DRAFT IS IN YOUR PACKET.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WHEN APPLICATIONS COME FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOCATED WHEN THE AIRPORT OVERLAY ZONE, WE MADE THAT LITTLE TWEAK TO MAKE SURE IT ALIGNS.
THE APPLICATION NORMALLY WAS SENT TO THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION TO THE TRC.
SINCE THAT BOARD NO LONGER EXISTS, IT WAS DECIDED THAT WE THINK THE STAFF THINKS THE BEST APPROACH WOULD BE FOR THE AIRPORT MANAGER, OR IN SOME CASES, IT MAY NEED TO BE THE CITY MANAGER'S DESIGNEE.
SHE'S FULLY AWARE OF THAT AND IS IN AGREEMENT, THAT WE WOULD SEND IT TO EITHER ONE OF THOSE FOR THE REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION.
THEN ALSO THAT WE WANTED TO REFERENCE THAT THERE WOULD BE A WRITTEN REPORT FROM THAT BOARD AS WELL THAT WOULD GO ALONG TO THE TRC FOR THE COMPLIANCE REPORT.
JUST FOR INFORMATION, THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS DISSOLVED DURING A CITY COMMISSION MEETING ON JUNE 3RD, 2025, THROUGH A RESOLUTION 2025 0.95, SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THIS BOARD IS APPROVING THAT LANGUAGE.
>> CORRECT. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT, WE HAVE A DISCONNECT WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND WANTS TO DEVELOP NEAR THE AIRPORT.
WE DON'T HAVE AN AIRPORT COMMISSION,
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AND SO THAT COULD CAUSE A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE IF WE DON'T CLEAR IT UP, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE CLEARING IT UP.>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I'M LOOKING AT PARAGRAPH L OF THIS SECTION 11.03-02.
THE COMPLIANCE REPORT, INCLUDING A WRITTEN REPORT FROM THE HDC.
IS THERE ANY OTHER REFERENCE TO THE HDC IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT DEFINES WHAT THAT WRITTEN REPORT WOULD BE?
>> WELL, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THE HDC IS DEFINED IN THE LDC ITSELF, WHAT IT IS, THAT GROUP.
>> WHAT IT'S REFERRING TO IS THAT WHENEVER THERE'S ANOTHER BOARD OR ANOTHER COMMITTEE THAT REQUIRES A RECOMMENDATION, NOT NECESSARILY APPROVAL, HDC SOMETIMES WE ACTUALLY HAD TO HAVE THEIR APPROVAL.
BUT WE RECEIVE SOME WRITTEN DOCUMENT, AND DEPENDING ON THE BOARD, THAT DOCUMENT MAY LOOK DIFFERENT.
THE HDC WOULD BE A CERTIFICATE OF PROPERTIES, AND THEN THAT SERVES AS THE WRITTEN DOCUMENT.
WE'RE SAYING THAT ALSO THE AIRPORT MANAGER OR THE CITY MANAGER'S DESIGNEE WOULD HAVE TO WRITE A REPORT SUMMARY OF THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT COMMITTEE.
WE'RE JUST SAYING WE CAN'T HAVE A VERBAL.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A WRITTEN RECOMMENDATION.
WE JUST COULDN'T CALL THEM UP AND SAY, HEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? [LAUGHTER]
>> THE HDC, I GUESS, THEY'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.
IS THAT'S REALLY WHAT THAT IS?
>> CORRECT. FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IF A DEVELOPER COMES IN IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE TO GET TRC APPROVAL, THEY HAVE TO GET HDC APPROVAL.
PRIOR TO US APPROVING AND ISSUING A LOCAL DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, WE HAVE TO RECEIVE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HDC, AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF A COA.
>> I HAVE A DISAGREEMENT WITH L. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE REWRITTEN.
>> WELL, THE EXISTING LANGUAGE, EXCEPT WHAT THEY WANTED TO CHANGE.
I'M GOING TO READ YOU WHAT I THINK IT SHOULD SAY, AND THEN YOU TELL ME WHERE I'M WRONG.
I'LL JUST START FROM REPORT FROM THE HDC, THE AIRPORT MANAGER, OR THE CITY MANAGER'S DESIGNEE, WHERE REQUIRED.
THE WAY IT READS, IT'S CHOPPED, THERE'S NO COMMA.
[OVERLAPPING] IT'S UNDERLINED.
>> THAT MEANS WE'RE ADDING IT.
>> IT'S THREE DISTINCT ELEMENTS.
THEY OUGHT TO HAVE A DOT IN THERE.
>> I'M SORRY. WE TRY AND CLEAN THINGS UP AND MAKE THEM WHERE THEY AREN'T NECESSARILY UP FOR REVIEW AND CHANGE ALL THE TIME.
MAKE THE LANGUAGE SAY WHAT IT REALLY MEANS.
IT COULD BE ANY ONE OF THOSE THREE OR ALL THREE.
>> NO, OR IS USUALLY ONE OR THE OTHER IN MY WORLD.
YOU GO INTO THE BANK, AND YOU HAVE A BANK ACCOUNT, AND SEE THE HANDWRITTEN. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S JUST SAYING THAT WHICHEVER ONE APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY, IF IT'S IN THE HDC, THEN IT WOULD BE A WRITTEN REPORT FROM THE HDC, WHICH IS IN THE FORM OF A COA, OR IF IT'S LOCATED IN THE AIRPORT OVERLAY ZONE.
LET ME GET IT RIGHT, IT WOULD BE A WRITTEN REPORT FROM THE AIRPORT MANAGER OR THE CITY MANAGER'S DESIGNEE.
>> FROM MY EXPERIENCE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN HERE THAT COULD BE BETTER WRITTEN, BUT THIS IS NOT WRONG.
I TRUST YOU JUDGE MORE THAN MINE.
>> I MEAN, I LOOKED AT IT, TOO IN THE ORDER, THIS IS NOT INCORRECT.
>> YOU'RE THE WRITER, I'M NOT.
[LAUGHTER] I WILL RESPECT YOUR BETTER JUDGMENT.
>> OTHER COMMENTS? OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MARGARET. [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'LL MOVE A MOTION THAT 11.03-02 REVIEW A COMPLIANCE REPORT BY TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.
WE ACCEPT THE CHANGES AS THEY HAVE BEEN PRESENTED.
>> ANY OPPOSED? PASSES. MARGARET, THE NEXT.
[5.2 (Legislative) - PAB 2025-0022 - CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH The City of Fernandina Beach requests a Land Development Code (LDC) Text Amendment to LDC Section 9.05.00 - Technical Review Committee, Subsection 9.05.02 Membership, to correlate City Department Names with their Respective Member Representative on the Technical Review Committee]
>> THE NEXT CASE IS PAB 2025-0022.
THE CITY OF FERNANDINA AGAIN, IS REQUESTING A LAND DEVELOPMENT TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE LDC SECTION 9.05.00,
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THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE SUBSECTION 9.05.02 THE MEMBERSHIP.WE'RE MAKING A REVISION TO HAVE THE NAMES OF THE DEPARTMENTS CORRELATE WITH THE DEPARTMENT NAMES THAT ARE ACTUALLY WITH THE CITY.
ONE OF THE MAIN ONES, AND KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS A MINIMUM MEMBERSHIP, BUT THE FACILITY MAINTENANCE WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING TO FOLKS WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY'RE LIKE, WHO ARE THOSE FOLKS, AND ALSO WHEN WE'RE ON THE DIOCESE, TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE TRC REVIEW.
THE PUBLIC WORKS OPERATIONS IS WHAT THE OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE IS.
WE WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THOSE COMMENTS ARE COMING FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS IN THE OPERATION SIDE OF THE CITY.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN.
>> I HAVE A COMMENT. ISN'T THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PLANNING AND CONSERVATION PLANNING, AND ZONING?
>> I DIDN'T EVEN- THE WHOLE INTENT AND MISS PRINCE AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION.
I MEAN, WE SEE A PROBLEM, WHEN WE TRY TO FIX IT, WE TRY TO GO BACK AND LOOK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO VETTING EVERYTHING.
BUT SOMETIMES JUST LOOKING, I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO CATCH ALL OF THE STUFF THAT SHOULD BE IN THE PAST.
BUT YOU ARE CORRECT, AND WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE BEFORE WE VOTE ON THAT?
>> IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT, WHAT DEPARTMENT IT REALLY IS, I MEAN, IT'S PLANNING AND CONSERVATION.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THE OFFICIAL NAME.
>> DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON DOING THAT? I THINK WE'RE ALL AGREEING.
>> IF YOU ADD IT TO THE MOTION, YOU WOULD APPROVE IT SUBJECT TO THE AMENDMENT.
>> JUST 90502A JUST MAKE A MODIFICATION ON THAT.
>> NOW, IS ZONING INVOLVED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM IN THIS PROCESS?
>> YES. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS ALSO OVER THE ZONING.
IT IS AT SOME POINT, I GUESS, NORMALLY IN OTHER OLD DEPARTMENT NAMES WERE USUALLY A PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT, BUT A FEW YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE THE CITY DID CHANGE IT TO PLANNING AND CONSERVATION.
EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF DOCUMENTS THAT STILL SAY PLANNING AND ZONING.
>> BECAUSE I WAS THINKING ZONING COULD BE PART OF THIS PROCESS IS A SEPARATE ENTITY, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S UNDER THE PLANNING UMBRELLA?
>> IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, I WAS VERY THANKFUL THAT THE MEMBER BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE AS YOU WERE READING IT, I WAS GOING, BOY, WE MISSED THAT, YES.
I THINK IN PLANNING AND CONSERVATION, WE JUST NEED TO AND IF THEY MAKE THAT MOTION, WE CAN ADD IT. ABSOLUTELY.
>> DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT. GOOD CATCH. THANK YOU.
>> AS I WAS THINKING THE ZONING IS MORE AS AN ACTIVITY AS OPPOSED TO AN ELEMENT IN TERMS OF NOT LOOKING AT IT AS BEING DIRECTLY UNDER PLANNING UMBRELLA.
>> YOU WERE PLANNING A ZONING AT ONE TIME THEN DECIDED TO ADD CONSERVATION TO IT.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I MOTION TO APPROVE PAB CASE 2025-002 WITH THE ADDED AMENDMENT UNDER 90502A, CHANGING FROM PLANNING AND ZONING TO PLANNING AND CONSERVATION.
>> THAT WAS ALSO ADDED TO THE PUBLIC WORK.
>> GOT YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ANY POSED? WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THIS IN ORDER THAT TAKES US TO BOARD BUSINESS.
[6.1 Elections of Chair and Vice-Chair]
DO WE NEED TO TALK PETE MORE ABOUT OR DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT IN HIS STAFF REPORT AND COMMENT?>> IF GLEN IS GOING TO BE COVERING SOME OF THAT, LET'S JUST GO.
>> LET'S GET THE BOARD BUSINESS.
THE BOARD BUSINESS, WE NEED TO ELECT CHAIR AND ADVICE CHAIR.
NOMINEES. ANYONE NOMINATOR? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
I DON'T NECESSARILY ASPIRE TO DO IT AGAIN.
>> I'LL MAKE A COMMENT. TYPICALLY, THE CURRENT CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR SERVE FOR TWO YEARS.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. YOU'VE ONLY BEEN HERE ONE YEAR AND ONE YEAR, SO I'D SAY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BOTH OF YOU CONTINUE.
THERE YOU GO. I'M NOMINATING THE CURRENT CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
>> I THINK WE HAVE TO DO IT LINE BY LINE.
WE HAVE TO DO CHAIR FIRST AND THEN VICE CHAIR.
>> WELL, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO FINE.
>> WELL, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THEN THAT I WOULD NOMINATE RICHARD DOSTER AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2026.
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>> ANY OPPOSED? [OVERLAPPING] VICE CHAIR.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION AND I NOMINATE DAPHNE FOREHAND AS VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD FOR FERNANDINA BEACH FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2026.
>> ANY OPPOSED? ANY OTHER BOARD BUSINESS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? WE'LL GO THEN TO STAFF REPORTS.
[7. STAFF REPORT]
GLENNA KROMO, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND SINCE YOU STARTED AND TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LETTER YOU SENT, I'LL GO OVER.
MARGARET DID SEND IT OUT AS YOU REQUESTED TO THE CITY MANAGER.
SHE FORWARDED TO THE THE CITY COMMISSION.
WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT AT THIS POINT FROM THE COMMISSION.
WE HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION REGULARLY WITH COUNTY STAFF AS THEY ARE CONTINUING TO WORK THROUGH THEIR PROCESS.
THEY'RE AWARE OF THIS AND ARE AWARE OF YOUR CONCERNS.
THEY TRIED TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS AFTER YOUR MEETINGS SO CLEARLY THEY'RE LISTENING TO THE MEETINGS OCCASIONALLY.
THEY'VE MOVED FORWARD WITH THEIR PROCESS AND WILL CONTINUE TO.
I WANT TO OFFER THAT IF INDIVIDUALLY, YOU WANT TO MEET WITH ME AND TALK ABOUT MORE DETAILS ABOUT HOW THOSE THINGS HOW IT OPERATES AND HOW THEY'RE PLANNING TO IMPLEMENT IT, I'LL BE GLAD TO MEET WITH ANY ONE OF YOU ON THAT PROCESS.
WE HAVE A SHORT AGENDA TODAY, BUT YOUR AGENDAS WILL START TO INCREASE NEXT WEEK.
WE HAVE THE KICKOFF MEETING FOR THE EAR FOR THE COMP PLAN WITH OUR CONSULTANT, AND THAT WILL START TO GENERATE WORK FOR YOU AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON THE CITY STAFF SIDE IS TO CREATE DETAILED WORK PLANS FOR US SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON.
WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO CREATE ONE FOR YOU FOR A TWO YEAR PLAN.
THE COMP PLAN IS GOING TO TAKE US THOSE TWO YEARS.
WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HELP IDENTIFY AND WORK WITH YOU TO IDENTIFY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO WORK ON OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME THAT ALLOWS YOU TO PREPARE IN ADVANCE IF YOU CHOOSE TO, BUT ALSO TO START THINKING ABOUT THESE ISSUES.
WE DO ALSO HAVE ON FEBRUARY 12, THE COMMISSION IS HAVING THEIR ANNUAL VISIONING SESSION.
IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FORMAT THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT AND GETTING SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION IS AS YOU TALK ABOUT EVERY DAY, EVERY TIME YOU MEET IS HOW THE FERNANDINA BEACH IS DEVELOPING AND HOW THE WORLD IS LOOKING AT US.
WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND GET SOME GENERAL DIRECTION.
MY GUESS IS SOME OF THAT MAY ADD TO YOUR WORK PLAN.
AS YOU'VE IDENTIFIED WHEN YOU WENT OVER THE DETAILS TODAY AND WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT REGULARLY, IS OUR CODE NEEDS TO WORK, AND WE KNOW WE NEED TO WORK ON IT.
WE ARE EVENTUALLY, IN THE NEAR FUTURE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN ON HOW TO INCREMENTALLY GO ABOUT THAT.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE THESE THINGS THAT POP UP, STATE REGULATIONS AND ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS TO CLEAN UP SO WE HAVE LESS CONFUSION IMMEDIATELY.
THAT PROCESS WILL CONTINUE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. DO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO THAT?
>> NO, BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED, I THINK I HEARD SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT FLOODING, JUST IN GENERAL SO I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU COULD GIVE AN UPDATE ON OUR MEETING TODAY.
>> THE AWARDS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FOR THE LAND ADAPTATION PLAN.
>> JUST BEFORE I STARTED WITH THE CITY OR AS I WAS STARTING, THE COMMISSION ADOPTED THE FLOOD ADAPTATION PLAN.
IT'S NOW 12 AWARD, SO IT'S AN AWARD WINNING PLAN.
WE MET TODAY TO TALK ABOUT STAFF FROM PLANNING, BUILDING, AND UTILITIES, MET TO TALK ABOUT AND THE CITY MANAGER MET TO TALK ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THAT PLAN.
AS WE HAD OUR DISCUSSION, WE REALIZED WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A NUMBER OF THINGS ALL ALONG.
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WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A REPORT WHERE WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHO'S ASSIGNED TO WHAT AND HOW WELL WE'RE DOING YEAR OVER YEAR.THE PLAN HAD 17 ELEMENTS, 17 STRATEGIES TO IMPLEMENT, SO THAT'S A LOT.
I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO SPREAD IT ACROSS ALL OF US SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT.
BUT AS WE STARTED TO REALIZE IN OUR MEETING TODAY, A LOT OF IT FITS INTO WHAT OUR DAY TO DAY WORK IS SO THEY'LL BE MORE ON THAT.
CERTAINLY AS WE GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER, IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST, WE CAN BRING THAT REPORT BACK TO YOU AND REPORT ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.
>> ARE WE ADDRESSING THE STATE AT ALL WITH THIS LESS THAN 100 ACRES GOING TO ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT?
>> IS THERE A NEW LEGISLATION?
>> SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE LEGISLATURE NOW? [OVERLAPPING] IT'S LESS THAN 100 ACRES YOU CAN GO TO ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS RATHER THAN PLANNING AND ZONING.
>> THAT WAS IN THAT HOUSE BILL, THAT NEW ONE?
>> NOT SURE BUT I THINK WE CAN CAME ACROSS.
THERE ARE A LOT OF BILLS RIGHT NOW.
SOME ARE DOING WELL IN COMMITTEE SOME AREN'T, AND I THINK FOR ME, THAT'S, WE TRY TO KEEP TRACK OF THEM, BUT THERE ARE FROM WHAT I HEARD NEAR 1,000 OF THEM RIGHT NOW.
WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT, AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON THERE, WE'LL BE GLAD TO REPORT OUT NEXT TIME.
>> ONE ON THE SENATE BILL 180.
IS ANYTHING SURFACE ON THAT ONE YET? THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S GOT A LOT OF CONCERNS IN THE WHOLE STATE.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING SPECIFIC ON IT.
>> YES, THERE HAS BEEN A BILL PROPOSED AND I HAVE A COPY OF IT.
I'LL HAVE TO GET IT TO YOU GUYS.
>> IT MAY BE THAT, IT CAN CHANGE DRAMATICALLY BETWEEN.
>> IT CERTAINLY CAN, BUT THE LAST VERSION AND WE WERE AT A MEETING LOOKING AT IT TOGETHER AT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
>> IF YOU GOT ONE, YOU CAN SEND US.
>> IT IS A POSITIVE MOVE AS I REVIEWED IT.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT LOOSENS THINGS UP SIGNIFICANTLY.
THERE IS A RUMOR THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO REMOVE NASSAU COUNTY FROM THE TIME FRAME.
ANYTHING THAT'S ENACTED WOULD BE ON JULY 1 REGARDLESS.
BUT I DON'T DO THE LEGAL REVIEW, TERESA DOES.
BUT JUST LOOKING AT IT, I THINK IT WOULD OPEN UP US TO BE ABLE TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO, PARTICULARLY THE COMP PLAN AND SOME OF THE REGULATIONS THAT WE KNOW WE NEED TO ALTER.
REALLY, THAT'S WHAT ALL OF THE CITIES IN THE STATE ARE ASKING FOR.
SOMETIMES THE LEGISLATURE DELIVERS THAT, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T, BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY KEEPING OUR THUMB ON THAT ONE.
>> ONE OTHER QUESTION GOING BACK TO PARTICULARLY THE MOBILITY FEES WITH THE COUNTY.
I NOTICED THERE WASN'T ANYTHING AT ALL ON THE AGENDA FOR 20TH OF JANUARY FOR THE COMMISSION TO EVEN TALK ABOUT IT.
I THOUGHT THEY MIGHT JUST IF NOTHING ELSE, HAVE A DISCUSSION OR SOMETHING ON IT.
IS IT JUST SITTING THERE IN LIMBO OR IS THERE A PLAN TO BRING IT UP AND LET THE COMMISSIONERS TALK ABOUT IT AT SOME POINT? WHAT DO WE NEED? DO WE NEED AN ORDINANCE CHANGE IN ORDER TO SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO PARTICIPATE?
>> NO, I THINK UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS GOING TO WAIT UNTIL MR. GILLETTE WAS HERE, MEMBER GILLETTE.
I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THE INFORMATION HE PRESENTED WASN'T VETTED PRIOR, AND IT'S NOT HIS FAULT.
HE DID COPY ME AND MARGARET ON IT.
I JUST DIDN'T LOOK AT IT BEFORE I CAME.
THERE WAS SOME MISINFORMATION, THERE WAS SOME WRONG NUMBERS.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THEY CANNOT IMPLEMENT IMPACT FEES IN THIS JURISDICTION UNLESS WE ENTER INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, PERIOD.
WE DO HAVE ONE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR MOBILITY FEES THAT IS IN PLACE.
THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE WE WOULD HAVE TO COLLECT AT THIS TIME.
ANY OTHER ONE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPROACH US AND ASK US TO ENTER INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
AT THIS TIME, WE'VE NOT BEEN ASKED.
IT'S NOT ON THE COMMISSION AGENDA BECAUSE THE COMMISSION'S NOT TAKING ANY ACTION TO JOIN IN THAT AND THE COUNTY HASN'T ASKED US TO ENTER INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
THIS CONCEPT THAT EVERY TIME YOU DEVELOPED IN THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ALL THOSE IMPACT FEES THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT IS NOT CORRECT.
WE DO COLLECT THE MOBILITY IMPACT FEE FOR THE COUNTY, PERIOD.
>> ONLY THE FEE THAT'S IN PLACE TODAY AS AGREED TO.
>> WELL, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AGREEMENT.
I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO COLLECT WHATEVER THEY CHARGE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE AGREEMENT SAYS.
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I CAN LOOK AT THAT FOR NEXT TIME.BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE WE WOULD HAVE TO COLLECT.
I DO THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO COLLECT THE NEW AMOUNT, BUT I CAN LET YOU KNOW THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING THERE'S JUST NO ACTION NEEDED BY THE CITY COMMISSION AT THIS TIME.
>> UNTIL THEY GIVE US DIRECTION OR ASK AND WERE GIVEN DIRECTION, STAFF WON'T TAKE.
DO WE START COLLECTING THOSE HIGHER FEES IN MARCH THEN? MY CONFUSION IS I WASN'T SURE IF THAT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WAS ONLY ON A SPECIFIC CRITERIA, WHICH WOULD BE ABSOLUTE NUMBERS AND IF THOSE NUMBERS CHANGE, WE GOT TO VOTE ON IT AGAIN OR IF IT JUST AUTOMATICALLY ROLLED OVER WITHOUT ANY IF WE DIDN'T TAKE ACTION.
>> I KNOW I KNOW PRINCE IS LOOKING AT IT.
BUT IN IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SENIOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY, THEY WERE CLEAR THAT THEY FELT WE WOULD NEED TO DO AN INTERLOCAL FOR THE NEW FEES.
>> FOR THE NEW FEE, JUST FOR THE MOBILITY IMPACT FEE.
THEY DON'T THINK THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WE HAVE NOW WOULD COVER THE NEW FEE. THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.
>> THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD US IN OUR COUPLE MEETINGS WHERE WE DISCUSSED IT.
>> OUR JOB WOULD ONLY BE TO CLICK THE FEE, WE'RE NOT SETTING A FEE.
WE'RE JUST ACTING LIKE THE BANK.
>> THE FEES AS THEY WERE PRESENTED TO US WERE SUCH THAT THEY AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THE INFORMATION WAS CORRECT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING BASED ON WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, WERE THE NEW MOBILITY FEES FOR A DISINCENTIVE TO REDEVELOPMENT?
>> BUT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION WE WERE GIVEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, THOSE ARE THE FEES NECESSARY TO DEAL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS IN PLACE AND IS OCCURRING IN THIS COUNTY IN THE FUTURE.
>> IN THIS COUNTY, BUT NOT IN THIS CITY?
>> WELL, WE'RE PART OF THE COUNTY, SO.
>> BUT THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS AGAIN, BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE HEARD LAST MEETING, THE MONEY COLLECTED HERE IS GOING TO GO OVER THERE.
>> IT'S GOING TO BUILD A NEW ROAD OUT NEXT TO HIGHWAY 108.
>> WELL, TO BE CLEAR, IT'S GOING TO GO IN THE POOL, AND THE PROJECTS ARE PRE-IDENTIFIED.
YOU'RE NOT INACCURATE, BUT THAT'S HOW THE PROGRAM WORKS IS YOU COLLECT THE MONEY, YOU PUT IT IN THE POOL, AND THEN THE PROJECTS ARE PRIORITIZED AND IT GOES TO THEM IN THAT ORDER.
THAT'S HOW THESE MOBILITY FEES WORK.
COULD THEY BE SPENT IN THE CITY? YES. ARE THERE MANY OF OUR PROJECTS HIGHLY PRIORITIZED AT THE MOMENT? NO. THE THING THAT WE WOULD BE TALKING TO THEM ABOUT AS WE NEGOTIATED AN ILA, IF WE WERE EVER GIVEN THAT INSTRUCTION IS HOW WE GET TO HELP PRIORITIZE.
THAT'S OUR INCENTIVE TO JOIN THE ILA.
YOU'RE NOT WRONG IN THOSE THINGS AT THIS POINT, BUT THOSE ARE DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT CAN BE HAD SO WE WOULD WANT TO RESERVE THOSE RIGHTS.
>> WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO ASK THE TWO OF YOU TO UPDATE US NEXT MONTH?
>> NO, BECAUSE THEY JUST TOLD YOU THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING.
>> WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING IN A MOMENT.
>> HERE'S WHAT I'LL PROMISE IS, WE WILL UPDATE YOU WHENEVER THERE'S NEW ACTIVITY? I WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE UPDATED. I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU.
YOU'VE SHOWN THAT THROUGH YOUR LETTER WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S ANY CHANGE IN IN ACTIVITY, YOU'LL BE NOTIFIED.
>> CAN I ASK MR. PRINCE QUESTION FIRST? THE LETTER, GIVEN THE TIMING OF IT, IT WAS SUCH THAT I WROTE A LETTER THAT NOBODY ON THE BOARD SAW.
IS THERE A WAY TO DO THAT LEGALLY?
>> NO. I THINK, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHEN MEMBER GILLETTE WAS BACK.
I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP THE WAY IT WAS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS THE PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD.
>> IT SEEMS A LITTLE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE, OF THIS BOARD'S DUTIES, TO COMMENT ON COUNTY IMPACT FEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEN I KNOW MR. GILLETTE WAS INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH IT BECAUSE OF SOME OTHER ORGANIZATIONS HE'S WITH THAT WERE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THE IMPACT FEES.
MY CONCERN IS WE WERE USING THIS BOARD AS POLITICAL BECAUSE OF HIS OTHER RELATIONSHIPS, HE HAS BEEN ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THESE COUNTY IMPACT FEES.
I DON'T KNOW YOU BEING UPDATED,
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BUT THEIR IMPACT FEES ARE TO DO WITH THE COMMISSION AND WHETHER OR NOT THE COMMISSION'S GOING TO COLLECT THEM, AND I THINK IT WAS MORE USED TO TRY AND STOP SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY IS DOING, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.>> THE REASONS GETTING INVOLVED IS WE ARE THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD.
ONE OF THE MISSIONS THAT I BELIEVE THE CITY COMMISSION HAS GIVEN US IS, YOU GUYS YOU GOT TO BE OPENING GALS.
I WON'T CLIP TO ONE SEX OR THE OTHER.
YOU'VE GOT TO GET YOURSELF IN A POSITION OF CONSIDERING REDEVELOPMENT.
THOSE IMPACT FEES CAN AFFECT REDEVELOPMENT, WHICH YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH BECAUSE THERE'S A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES UNDER THE RULE BOOK FOR REDEVELOPMENT VERSUS NEW DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN TERMS OF MAYBE HOW WE DO THINGS LIKE THE SADDLER OVERLAY, WE'VE GOT TO BECOME MORE INVOLVED IN TERMS OF JUST LIKE SENATE BILL 18, WHICH SAYS, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU NEED A PAV FOR? YOU COULD INTERPRET IT THAT WAY.
>> BUT WHEN WE PASS IMPACT FEES, WE DON'T BRING THEM TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD FIRST.
YOU DON'T COMMENT ON THE AMOUNT OF THEM, YOU DON'T COMMENT AND IT HAS TO HAVE A RATIONAL NEXUS, THERE'S A WHOLE STRING OF CASE LAW ON IMPACT FEES, AND I THINK SOMEBODY MADE THE POINT A MOMENT AGO THAT THE COUNTY COULDN'T HAVE COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER IF IT WASN'T A NUMBER THEY NEEDED, IF THEY COULDN'T LEGALLY DEFEND IT.
IMPACT FEES WOULD NEVER NORMALLY COME TO YOU ANYWAY.
NOW, HAVING A SESSION WHERE WE DO TALK ABOUT RE-DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES AND ALL THAT, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE USEFUL BECAUSE YOU ARE REDEVELOPMENT, AND SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND HOW IMPACT FEES IMPACT THAT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THIS BOARD WEIGHING IN.
I'VE REALLY GRAPPLED WITH IT SINCE IT HAPPENED.
BOARD MEMBERS GILLETTE'S NOT HERE, AND HE SENT IT TO US AT LEAST A WEEK IN ADVANCE.
I'M NOT SAYING HE BROUGHT SOMETHING UP THAT HE DID NOT BRING TO MY ATTENTION FIRST.
HE CERTAINLY GAVE ME PLENTY OF NOTICE.
WE WEREN'T ASKED TO VET THE INFORMATION OR BACK CHECK THE INFORMATION.
WE WERE ASKED THAT PACIFIC INFORMATION TO BE SENT TO THE COMMISSION [OVERLAPPING]
>> IS THERE AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THIS AWARD WINNING FLOOD PLAN THAT COULD BE SHARED WITH THE PAD AS A 30,000-FOOT LEVEL? AS YOU START TO WORK THROUGH IT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, I THINK FOR US TO HAVE THAT OVERALL VIEW TO HELP US INCORPORATE THAT AS WE GO ALONG.
>> THE PLAN IS A VERY QUICK READ.
THE WAY IT'S SET UP, IT IS REALLY EASY TO GO THROUGH AND UNDERSTAND.
WHICH IS WHY I THINK IT WON A COUPLE OF AWARDS.
>> IT HAS EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AT THE BEGINNING.
>> IT DOES. THEN THE DETAILS ARE VERY WELL LAID OUT AND EASY TO READ.
WE'LL BE GLAD TO SUPPLY THAT PLAN.
>> LET ME TELL YOU WHAT. RIGHT NOW, NEXT WEEK ON THE COMMISSION'S AGENDA IS A VOTE ON ABOUT 18 ACRES TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE CITY.
PEOPLE IN ALDAMA ARE NOT HAPPY.
I'M ALREADY GETTING PHONE CALLS.
I THINK YOU NEED TO BE PREPARED NEXT WEEK TO TALK ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF THAT 18 ACRES OR SOME PART OF IT IS DEVELOPED, AND WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL STORMWATER, COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS AND SO FORTH, GO ON THE OFFENSIVE AND SAY, WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED IT, OR THE TRC WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, AND THIS IS WHAT WOULD BE DONE.
THERE ISN'T A DESIGN YET, SO IT'S A GUESS, BUT I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH SOME LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION WITH WATER ISSUES FOR A LONG TIME.
THEY THINK THEY, BEING THE RESIDENTS HERE, THAT IT'S GOING TO PUSH MORE WATER BACK IN THEIR DIRECTION.
>> DIDN'T WE VOTE ON THAT LAST TIME?
>> WE VOTED, WE APPROVED IT, AND WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
>> IT'S NOT VOTED ON BY THE CITY COMMISSION.
>> WE ARE 100% PREPARED FOR THAT.
BECAUSE IT'S A BORDER ISSUE, IT'S BETWEEN US AND THE COUNTY, WE ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE COUNTY TO SOLVE THAT LONG-TERM.
THE DESIGN WILL REALLY HELP, BUT WE'RE BEING PROACTIVE ABOUT OUR PLANNING AND LOOKING AT IT IN ADVANCE. YES, WE ARE PREPARED.
>> JUST FOR THE SAKE OF SAYING IT, PETE, IS BROUGHT UP THAT IT'S IN ALDAMA, I LIVE THERE.
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BUT I LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DOESN'T GET FLOODED ALL THE TIME.I WILL TELL YOU, IT'S BEEN AT LEAST 15 YEARS THE PEOPLE OVER THERE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH FLOODING ON THAT SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ROADS.
>> THE ONE THING THAT REDEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPMENT HELPS WITH IS IT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIX THOSE LONG-TERM PROBLEMS. THAT'S THE WAY THE COUNTY AND OUR STAFF ARE LOOKING AT IT.
>> THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR THOSE FOLKS.
>> COULD I FLIP BACK TO CHANGE SUBJECTS AND JUST GO BACK TO ONE THING.
RELATIVE TO BACK ON THE SUBJECT OF OUR MOBILITY FEES, COULD WE AT LEAST GET AN ANSWER ON WE HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT IN PLACE TODAY CONCERNING MOBILITY FEE AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY?
>> DOES IT SAY X DOLLARS? IT SAYS PURSUANT TO NASSAU COUNTY ORDINANCE 2014-16 AS AMENDED AT THE TIME THE BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED.
THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. THE COUNTY THINKS WE HAVE TO ENTER INTO A NEW ONE.
WE CAN UPDATE YOU ON THAT NEXT TIME.
>> JUST WITH THE NEW FEES AUTOMATICALLY BE IMPLEMENTED, OR DOES AGREEMENT?
>> I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. GOT YOU.
>> I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT IT JUST GETS REPLACEMENT, OR IF THE CITY HAS THE MOTOR.
>> BOARD BUSINESS? WHAT'S NEXT? ANYTHING?
>> GLEN'S ALREADY ANSWERED ME.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE NEXT BIG THING, ISN'T IT ON OUR AGENDA?
>> YES. THAT'LL TRIGGER A BUNCH OF WORK.
WE ALSO HAVE A CONTINUING LIST OF TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT WILL KEEP COME YOUR WAY, AND WE KEEP WORKING THROUGH THEM.
I THINK WE'VE GOT THEM PLANNED THROUGH APRIL, PROBABLY.
>> YOU HAVE SOME LEGISLATIVE REQUIREMENTS FOR SOME TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT LENGTHY THAT WILL COME NEXT MONTH ALONG WITH ANOTHER ANNEXATION.
>> WE'RE NOT KEEPING THEM FROM COMING IN AND THEY KNOW THOSE NUMBERS, AND THEY'RE COMING IN.
>> MARGARET, WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR US TODAY?
>> I'M HOPING AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COMP PLAN AND SO ON, THAT WE'LL BE FOCUSED ON WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE SUSTAINABILITY FOR THE ISLAND, FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTY AND RESILIENCY.
NOTHING ELSE WE DO MATTERS AT ALL, IF WE DON'T HAVE THOSE THINGS.
DID I INTRODUCE MYSELF? SORRY. MARGARET KIRKLAND, CONSERVE NASA, 1377 PLANTATION POINT.
I'M THINKING ABOUT THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.
THE LAST TIME WE WORKED ON THE CAMP PLAN AND EVEN BEFORE THAT, WHEN I WAS WITH THE TREE CONSERVANCY, WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT NOT JUST THE FIRE AND RESCUE AND ALL OF THAT.
THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE WATER.
WHAT ABOUT THE RIVERS, WETLANDS, ALL OF THAT, THAT WE REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE OF THAT ANNEXATION AND ALDAMA.
NOBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE SITUATION IS WITH THE UNDERGROUND WATER IN THAT ENTIRE SECTION OF THE ISLAND.
I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT INSIDE ALDAMA OR ONE SIDE OF ALDAMA.
FROM THE DAY THAT ALDAMA WAS BUILT, THERE WAS FLOODING AND MAJOR FLOODING IN BACKYARDS ON AMELIA ROAD.
WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT AND JUST SAYING WELL IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE TO HIRE SERIOUS EXPERTS TO FIND OUT JUST WAIT FOR IT TO HAPPEN.
WE WAIT FOR SOMETHING REALLY NASTY TO HAPPEN THAT MAKES A LOT OF
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PEOPLE MISERABLE AND COSTS THE CITY A LOT OF MONEY.I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO PREPARE FOR THINGS.
THAT'S A NON-FLORIDA WAY OF LOOKING AT THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, ON THE TECHNICAL REVIEW BOARD, PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERTISE IN THE THINGS THAT ARE CRITICAL TO OUR FUTURE, WATER, THE TREES THAT WE HAVE, WE DEVELOP AND WE REMOVE THE TREES, AND THEN WE HAVE FLOODING.
I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT FOR YEARS MYSELF.
WE NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SERIOUS LEVELS OF EXPERTISE IN ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT RELATE TO OUR ENVIRONMENT, THE DUNES, AND SO ON.
WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE SHOULD DEVELOP AND WHERE WE SHOULD NOT DEVELOP, AND FOLLOW THAT LINE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN OUR FUTURE. THANK YOU.
>> CAN I JUST OFFER A FEW REMARKS? JUST ON THE ANNEXATION, WE DID RECEIVE A WETLANDS DELINEATION LETTER.
IT WAS MENTIONED AT THE COMMISSION MEETING.
WE ASKED IT TO BE SENT TO US, AND IT WAS DONE BY A PROFESSIONAL THAT DOES THAT.
BUT ALSO, AS PART OF THE TREES, THE PLANNING AND CONSERVATION DOES HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE.
IT'S PLANNING, BUT IT'S ALSO DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THAT.
ONE OF THE MEMBERS ON THERE IS A FLOOD PERSON, A CFM, A CERTIFIED FLOODPLAIN MANAGER, BUILDING ALSO HANDLES A LOT OF THAT OFFER COMMENTS ARE INVOLVED IN THE FLOODING SITUATION.
OF COURSE, THE WATER IS ON THE UTILITIES AS A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER CAPACITY THAT'S NEEDED AND IF WE CAN SERVE IT.
ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS ARE PART OF THE INDIVIDUAL ONES.
IF WE DO FIND A SITUATION WHERE WE THINK THAT WE NEED FURTHER EXPERTISE, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN GIVEN PERMISSION THAT WE CAN ASK FOR THE THIRD-PARTY FOR THAT.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY COMPLICATED, AND WE NEED THAT EXTRA LEVEL OF EXPERTISE.
WE DO RELY ON THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE TYPE OF REVIEWS, WE DON'T TAKE THEM ALL ON OURSELF.
WE HAVE CALLED THEM, THOUGH, AND TRIED TO UNDERSTAND THEIR MODELING.
IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE A LITTLE BIT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE CAN GET A HOLD ON IT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THAT.
WE'VE ALSO IMPLEMENTED SOME OTHER IN READING THE ORDINANCE, EXACTLY WHAT IT'S SAYING TO ASK FOR SOME ADDITIONAL PROTECTION OUT AT THE DUNES.
STAFF HAS BEEN REAL SUCCESSFUL ON GETTING DEVELOPERS AND HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE CONSTRUCTING WALKOVERS TO COMPLY WITH THOSE.
THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS WE ARE DOING AND JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THIS.
>> WHILE MISS KIRKLAND IS COMING UP, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR. ST. JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT, WHEN IT COMES TO THE STORMWATER POND AND WHETHER THAT POND IS CORRECT ON THAT AND THAT ANNEXATION SITE.
THAT'S NOT ALWAYS WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION, AND THERE IS PROCESSES WITH ST. JOHN'S THAT THE CITIZENS CAN GET INVOLVED WITH.
BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE JUST SIMPLY DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION OVER, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH DEP OR WHETHER IT'S ST. JOHN'S.
BUT TO THE EXTENT WE CAN, THEY HAVE TRIED TO STAFF THE TRC, BECAUSE WE HAVE VERY QUALIFIED PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT HELP WITH THAT.
ANDRE DECAL IS REALLY GOOD WITH STORMWATER, HE OFTEN HAS A LOT TO OFFER, BUT YES, WE DO HAVE TO RELY AS FAR AS THE POND.
WE GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS AT FIRST READING AS WELL ON THAT ANNEXATION.
THE STAFF, THAT WAS THE GOOD NEWS.
WE'RE AHEAD OF THAT. [LAUGHTER]
>> MARGARET KIRKLAND, 1377 PLANTATION POINT DRIVE.
I WILL SAY THAT SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 2011, I HAVE MET VERY FEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING OF THE ISLAND THAT WE LIVE ON, THE MARITIME FOREST, ANY OF THIS.
THIS INCLUDES THE STATE AND QUASI-STATE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT, AND SO ON.
IT'S SHOCKING TO GO TO THE MEETINGS AND THE YOUNG PEOPLE FROM THOSE ORGANIZATIONS SAY EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD SAY.
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THEN THEIR BOSS COMES ALONG AND UNDOES WHAT THEY SAY, AND ENSURES THAT NONE OF THOSE THINGS HAPPEN.WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN NORTH FLORIDA.
IT IS A LACK OF EXPERTISE IN ANYTHING ENVIRONMENTAL, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
IN MY ORGANIZATION, WE DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE SERIOUS EXPERTISE, PHDS, LIFETIME OF EXPERIENCE, LOT OF EXPERTISE BUT EVER IT SEEMS BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY ARE AFRAID TO TAKE INFORMATION FROM THAT SOURCE, AND WE'LL GIVE IT FOR FREE.
IT HAS BEEN FRUSTRATING, AND IT IS SAD TO WATCH THINGS HAPPEN THAT REALLY ARE UNNECESSARY.
NORMALLY, I GO THROUGH THESE MEETINGS.
I DON'T SAY THAT STATEMENT I JUST MADE, BUT I'M SAYING IT BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE SAID.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, OUR CITY AND OUR COUNTY ARE GOING TO BE IN A WORSE SHAPE THAN THEY WOULD BE, OTHERWISE.
SO WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON.
>> I THINK OUR ADAPTATION PLAN, THAT GLENN MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE IS THAT ELEMENT OF IT AND ONGOING FOR THE RESILIENCY OF THE PLAN IN THE PROGRAM.
I DO THINK THE CITY IS AWARE OF THAT WHERE OUR GAPS ARE AND ARE WORKING TO TRY TO FILL THOSE WITH THIS PLAN AS WELL.
>> WE WILL ADJOURN AT 5:52 PM. SEE YOU NEXT MONTH.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.