>> [1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM] [00:00:14] >> WE HAVE A QUORUM, CORRECT? WE DON'T HAVE ANY CASES ON THIS AGENDA, SO WE DON'T NEED TO DO THE OATH AND THE SWEARING IN. SO I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYBODY TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, LET'S START DOWN HERE. >> NO, MA'AM. >> NO. >> NO. >> I HAD NONE. >> I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ME AND SADLER AT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL. I'M SORRY, AT THE FERIA BEACH MAIN STREET DESIGN COUNCIL MEETING YESTERDAY. >> I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MA LAST WEEK THE AGENDA. WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT SWEARING IN STUFF. ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, PHIL OUT. WE HAVE THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING. [3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES] HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE? >> YES. >> ANY COMMENTS? >> I HAVE ONE LITTLE TINY. IT'S ON 5.1. IT'S WHERE I WAS TALKING WITH JOSE MIRANDA ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT AND WHERE IT SAYS, MR. MIRANDA SPOKE OF WINDOW OPTIONS. COULD WE SAY MR. MIRANDA SPOKE OF WINDOW PLANTER OPTIONS? I THINK THAT'S SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE WERE MENTIONING. THAT WAS MY ONLY. >> WITH THAT AMENDMENT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? >> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE 2025-1120 HDC MINUTES. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> CHAIR FILKOFF? >> YES. >> VICE CHAIR POZZETTA? >> YES. >> MEMBER PSULKOWSKI? >> YES. >> MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? >> YES. >> MEMBER BYRNES? >> YES. >> WE GO ON TO OLD BUSINESS, AND WELL, THAT WOULD BE THE WINDOW SURVEY, [6.1. Revised Window Survey] IF I UNDERSTAND IT PROPERLY. WE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS. MAYA, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THIS? >> I WILL JUST SAY THAT YOU ALL LOOKED AT THIS AGAIN AT THE NOVEMBER HDC MEETING AND PROVIDED ME WITH SOME COMMENTS. THE BULK OF THOSE COMMENTS WERE IN THE OVERVIEW SECTION AND THE PHYSICAL EVALUATION SECTION. I GOT CORRESPONDENCE FROM MEMBER KOSACK BEFORE THIS MEETING, SHE HAD A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FOR THE WINDOW SURVEY, AND I PROVIDED THAT FOR YOU GUYS, AND IT'LL BE RECORDED IN THE RECORD. I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT SHE HAS PROPOSED. THERE IS A MOTION ALSO IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET TO ADOPT THE WINDOW SURVEY. I PLAN TO ADD THESE EDITS TO THE WINDOW SURVEY. YOU CAN MOVE TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION THAT I ADD THESE FINAL AMENDMENTS TO THE WINDOW SURVEY. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO TONIGHT WITH THE UPDATED WINDOW SURVEY. I'M OPEN TO FURTHER COMMENTS IF YOU GUYS FOUND OTHER THINGS IN THERE. >> ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR. >> YES? >> YES, SIR. >> UNDER VINYL CLAD WINDOW MIA, THIS IS SILLY, BUT ANDERSON IS S-E-N NOT S-O-N. YOU GOT 400 SERIES ARCHITECTURAL AND 200 SERIES, I THINK ARCHITECTURAL, AT LEAST IN ANDERSON NOMENCLATURE, THEY JUST CALL IT A SERIES. >> A SERIES? >> THAT'S THEIR HIGHEST END SO IF YOU JUST WANT TO LIST THEM IN ORDER GO A SERIES 402. >> ONLY THE A SERIES WOULD BE PERMITTED? >> NO. I THINK WE'VE REVIEWED THE OTHER ONES AND THEY'RE OKAY. OKAY. I'M JUST AS FAR AS QUALITY STACKING ON THE A SERIES, IS THERE TOP MODEL AND THEN 400, AND THEN 200 IS LOWER. >> I CAN KEEP ALL THREE OF THEM LISTED, BUT JUST HAVE THEM IN THAT COURSE IN THAT ORDER. >> YEAH, JUST ORDER THEM THAT WAY AND CALL ARCHITECTURAL A SERIES. >> GREAT. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS, QUESTIONS? >> MIA HAS BEEN GOOD ENOUGH TO PROVIDE US WITH AN EXAMPLE MOTION FOR THIS? DO I HEAR ANYBODY WANTING TO READ THIS? >> I CAN DO THAT. >> YES. >> I MOVED TO APPROVE THE HDC WINDOWS SURVEY AND [00:05:01] APPROVED WINDOW LIST AS AMENDED ON DECEMBER 18, 2025, TO MAKE IT THE STANDARD AND REQUIRED DOCUMENT AND PROCESS FOR HISTORIC WINDOW PROJECTS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AS PERMITTED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SECTION 8.02.02 PARENTHESES, WAS THAT? >> AND AS FURTHER AMENDED BY YOUR SUGGESTIONS TODAY? >> YES, PLEASE. >> DO YOU LIKE TO ADD THAT TO YOUR MOTION? >> I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD TO MY MOTION AS FURTHER AMENDED EARLIER BY MY COMMENTARY. >> YOU CAN GET REAL WORDY, DON'T YOU? >> WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> CHAIR FILKOFF? >> YES. >> VICE CHAIR POZZETTA? >> YES. >> MEMBER PSULKOWSKI? >> YES. >> MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? >> YES. >> AND MEMBER BYRNES. >> YES. [6.2. Old Town Preservation Guidelines Update] >> OKAY. WE MOVE ON TO THE OLD TOWN PRESERVATION GUIDELINES. THESE ARE GUIDELINES THAT WE HAD SEEN BEFORE FROM MIA, AND WE'RE DISCUSSING WHERE THEY HAD COME FROM, WHY THEY HADN'T BEEN CODIFIED, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. MIA, TAKE IT AWAY. >> WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS THE OLD TOWN PRESERVATION AND DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES, MULTIPLE TIMES. THEY WERE ORIGINALLY WRITTEN IN 1999, AND THEN REVISED IN 2013. THEN THEY WERE UPDATED AGAIN IN 2021 BY THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA WITH A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY. AND THERE WAS GRANT FUNDING INVOLVED WITH THAT PROJECT. THERE WAS OUTREACH EVENTS TO INTRODUCE THIS DOCUMENT TO THE CITY OF FERNADINA BEACH AND RESIDENTS OF OLD TOWN. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS OPPOSITION TO ADOPTING THE GUIDELINES. SO ALTHOUGH IT WAS APPRECIATED BY THE ACC AT THE TIME, THE CITY COMMISSION DID NOT MOVE TO ADOPT THE REVISED OLD TOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CHANGE OF TEXT IN THAT DOCUMENT. IT IS MOSTLY A REVISION OF THE GRAPHICS AND THE LAYOUT AND JUST THE VISUALIZATION OF THE PRESERVATION GUIDELINES FOR OLD TOWN. I HAVE A LETTER IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET THAT KIND OF REVIEWS THAT HISTORY AND THE PLAN THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY UPPER MANAGEMENT FOR ME TO MOVE FORWARD AND MOVE THAT DOCUMENT THROUGH THE ADOPTION PROCESS AGAIN. ON THE SCREEN, I HAVE THE PROPOSED TIMELINE. THIS IS THE DECEMBER 18 ATC MEETING WHERE I'M PUBLICLY ANNOUNCING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OUTREACH EVENT IN THE HISTORIC FERNADINA PLAZA STATE PARK ON JANUARY 5. IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET IS ALSO A FLYER FOR THAT EVENT, THAT HAS DETAILS, INCLUDING A QR CODE TO A SURVEY FOR OLD TOWN RESIDENTS AND ANYONE TO PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK, SOME GENERAL FEEDBACK ON THAT DOCUMENT, AS WELL AS MY CONTACT INFORMATION IF PEOPLE WANT TO OFFER ME DIRECT COMMENTARY ABOUT THE DOCUMENT. WE DID REVISE THE TIME OF THE OUTREACH EVENT. ON THE FIRE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, IT SAYS FROM 2:00 TO 4:00 P.M, WE PUSHED THAT BACK 4-6 TO ACCOMMODATE THE WORKDAY ON THAT MONDAY. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE COFFEE AND HOT CHOCOLATE AND DOUGHNUTS TO KEEP PEOPLE WARM AND MAYBE ENTICE THEM TO COME, SPEND SOME TIME WITH US OUT. I'M ALSO FORMALLY INVITING THE HDC MEMBERS TO JOIN AT THAT EVENT IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE. THIS IS JUST A GREAT WAY TO INTERFACE WITH THE RESIDENTS OF OLD TOWN, HEAR OUT THEIR CONCERNS, EXPLAIN THAT THIS IS NOT A BIG CHANGE FROM THE GOVERNING DOCUMENT OF THAT DISTRICT. AND IT JUST BETTER SERVES THE COMMUNITY, CITY STAFF, AND THE BOARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT DOCUMENT IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE. SO THE TIMELINE GOES ON TO SAY AFTER THAT MEETING, I WILL BRING THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD FROM THE RESIDENTS TO THE JANUARY 15 MEETING. AND THEN IN FEBRUARY, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE HDC. >> BASED ON WHAT WE LEARN ON JANUARY 5 AND WHAT WE TALK ABOUT ON THE 15TH, THERE MIGHT BE SOME CHANGES OR ADDITIONAL EDUCATIONAL THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO FOR THOSE DOCUMENTS. BUT I'M HOPING BY THE FEBRUARY 19 MEETING, HDC CAN VOTE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE GUIDELINES TO THE CITY COMMISSION. AND THEN TENTATIVELY IN APRIL AND MAY, THERE WOULD BE A FIRST AND SECOND READING FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO ADOPT THOSE BY REFERENCE IN THE LDC. >> COULD YOU PLEASE REMIND ME AT LEAST WHAT THE CONTENTION WAS THE LAST TIME THIS WENT BEFORE THE COMMISSION. >> I BELIEVE AT THE COMMISSION MEETING THERE WERE RESIDENTS AT OLD TOWN THAT CAME OUT AND SAID THAT THEY HAD NOT BEEN ENGAGED WITH OR ASKED THEIR OPINION ABOUT THE GUIDELINES, AND THEY WERE FEELING BLINDSIDED BY THE REVISION. [00:10:05] >> I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TRIED SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST TO SEND COMMUNICATION FROM HDC CITY TO THE OLD TOWN RESIDENTS, AND WE DON'T SEEM TO ALWAYS GET EVERYBODY. WE HEAR THAT A LOT. EVERY TIME WE TRY IT. HOW WILL WE TRY IT THIS TIME? >> ON TUESDAY, WE SENT OUT A MAILER SIMILAR TO THE NOTICES THAT GO FOR ALL THE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT HAD AN ABBREVIATED FLYER THAT I CREATED TO EVERY ADDRESS IN OLD TOWN. >> EVERY ADDRESS? >> YES. MCKENNA HELPED ME WITH THAT. SHE'S ALSO HELPED ME TO DEVELOP THREE OR FOUR ACTIVITIES TO HELP THE RESIDENTS ENGAGE WITH A DOCUMENT, INCLUDING SOME VOTING ACTIVITIES, SOME CARDS THAT WRITE WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE PART OF OLD TOWN? WHAT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ARE IMPORTANT TO HERE. MEMBER POZZETTA AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT LITTLE MONUMENTS OR PLAQUES ARE SOMETHING TO DEFINE THE PLATE VISUALLY. WE HAVE AT A JAR VOTING SETUP WHERE PEOPLE CAN VOTE ON EITHER THE CONCRETE STREET MONUMENTS THAT YOU SEE DOWNTOWN, LITTLE PAVER MONUMENTS OR CIRCULAR PLAQUE TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE INTERESTED IN FEATURING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, THAT WOULD DESIGNATE THOSE PLATE LINES. VARIETY OF THOSE, BUT THE MAILERS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS THAT'S HOW. >> SOUNDS GREAT. >> IT'S ALSO BEEN POSTED ON THE CITY FACEBOOK PAGE AND ON OUR WEBSITE. >> VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> I HAD A COMMENT AND A QUESTION. I'LL START WITH THE QUESTION MAYBE AN ATTORNEY PRINTS QUESTION. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF MULTIPLE HDC MEMBERS SHOW UP TO THIS JANUARY 5TH MEETING, ARE WE ALL GOOD IN SUNSHINE? WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET DIMMED FIRST. >> WE'RE GOING TO GET DIM UNLESS WE DO A NOTICE OF PUBLIC GATHERING SO WE'LL WORK WITH THE CLERK ON THAT. I'M SURE THAT MIA AND MARGARET AND EVERYONE IS ALREADY ON TOP OF THAT. THEN WHAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO IS EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOTICED IS YOU REALLY COMMENT TOO MUCH ABOUT IT. YOU'LL BE LISTENING AND THAT THING. YOU'RE NOT REALLY SUPPOSED TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A MEETING WHERE EVERYBODY CAN HEAR YOU. I JUST SAT THROUGH THE ETHICS TRAINING THAT IT'S LIKE EVEN IF WE HAD IT NOTICED AND YOU WERE IN DIFFERENT GROUPS, THEN THE PUBLIC'S NOT REALLY HEARING EVERYTHING THAT YOU MIGHT BE SAYING TO ONE VERSUS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING TO, SOME OTHER MEMBERS SAYING TO ANOTHER MEMBER. YOU CAN ATTEND, YOU CAN LISTEN, AND WE SHOULD NOTICE IT. >> WHERE WILL THAT MEETING BE? >> IT IS GOING TO BE AT THE FERNANDINA PLAZA HISTORIC STATE PARK. IT'S AT THE PLAZA IN OLD TOWN. THANK YOU. RIGHT IN THEIR NECK OF THE WOODS. I CALLED FORT GLYNCH STATE PARK, WHO MANAGES THAT SITE, AND THEY SAID, I DIDN'T NEED TO PAY OR RESERVE IT IN ANY WAY. >> OH, GOOD. >> WE'RE JUST GOING TO USE SOME PARKS AND REC TENTS, AND WE'LL HAVE SOME LAMPS AROUND TOO BECAUSE I THINK THE SUN WILL BE GOING. >> COULD WE BE IN HOSTON? [LAUGHTER] >> WHAT IS AN EACH DAY YOU REMEMBER? >> NO. >> I WAS BRINGING OUT MY WAKE [LAUGHTER]. >> IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN. >> YES. >> THIS ISN'T A LEGAL ISSUE, AND I'M SURE STAFF IS ALREADY PLANNING ON DOING THIS, BUT ONCE WE TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AGAIN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ALL THIS INFORMATION IN OF EVERYTHING THAT STAFF IS DOING TO HELP THEM PARTICIPATE, WILL HELP IF THE PODIUM IS FILLED AGAIN. WE'LL SHOW WHAT THE HDC AND STAFF HAS DONE TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC. >> MY COMMENT ON THE PREVIOUS ATTEMPT TO GET THESE PASSED WAS PRESENT AT THE MULTIPLE VERY WELL ATTENDED OUTREACH SESSIONS. AND PATENTLY ABSURD THAT THE COMMENT WOULD BE THAT NO ONE LET THEM KNOW BECAUSE THAT WAS SAL TRIED VERY HARD TO REACH OUT TO EVERYBODY. AND THOSE EPISODES WERE RECORDED AND ARE ACTUALLY IF SOMEONE WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND, THEY COULD HAVE WATCHED LIVE OR THEY COULD HAVE WATCHED AFTERWARDS. >> I THINK THAT'S POINT. THE MORE WE CAN SHOW THE COMMISSION WHEN IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO VOTE THAT WE HAVE DONE OUR VERY BEST TO REACH OUT AND INVOLVE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. THEN THOSE ARGUMENTS DON'T HOLD IT HERE. >> DOES THE AGENDA SUMMARY SHEET, GIVE ALL THE FACTS AND DETAILS OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE? [00:15:02] >> I THINK YOU HAVE A REALLY GOOD POINT AND THAT I THINK I'LL MAKE SURE THAT I'M PRESENT AT THAT CITY COMMISSION MEETING BECAUSE IF SOMEONE GETS UP AND SAYS, NO ONE LET ME KNOW. LET ME SAY THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE, THAT YOU MUST HAVE BEEN AVOIDING GETTING THERE. >> WHICH IS A POINT I AGREE WITH. I THINK THAT WHEN THERE IS SOMETHING ON THE CITY COMMISSION AGENDA THAT WE HAVE WORKED ON AND SENT FORWARD, WE SHOULD MAKE IT A POINT TO TRY TO BE THERE IF AT ALL POSSIBLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THEY MAY HAVE AND NOT PUT ALL THE BURDEN ON STAFF. >> I JUST HAVE ONE MAYBE ONE COMMENT OR SO. WHEN THE RESIDENTS ARE PROVIDING OPINIONS GUIDANCE, WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE IN THE QUESTIONNAIRE OR IN PERSON, HOW AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE RIGHT WORD IS CREDIBLE, BUT THIS IS LIKE THIS IS A TECHNICAL GROUP HERE WHO WANTS. HOW DO WE TAKE THOSE COMMENTS THAT ARE COMING FROM A RESIDENT THAT MAYBE DOESN'T HAVE DESIGN EXPERIENCE WHATEVER. HOW DO WE WEIGH THAT INFORMATION, OR DO WE JUST SEE THE COMMENTS WE GET AND THEN REVIEW THEM? I'M GUESSING THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THIS. >> I LIKE THIS. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY AS WELL, WE'LL COLLECT ALL THE FEEDBACK WE HAVE, AND I CAN PRESENT THAT ON JANUARY 15, AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE WHERE TO GO FROM THERE. THIS DOCUMENT IS A WORD DOCUMENT, NON-DESIGN DOCUMENT. IF WE DO HEAR SOME CREDIBLE FEEDBACK THAT WE WANT TO THEN INCORPORATE INTO THE GUIDELINES, I WOULD BE CAPABLE OF MAKING THAT EDIT. >> PERFECT. >> GOOD. THANK YOU. >> I DO THINK THAT WE'LL HEAR THINGS THAT ARE OPINION OR EMOTION-DRIVEN, AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY INTRODUCE THE SESSION TO SAY THAT THE GUIDELINES ARE NOT INTENDED FOR THAT TYPE OF CONTENT. JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED EXPECTATIONS PROPERLY? >> THE BEST THINGS WE GOT AT THOSE INTERACTIVE MEETINGS WERE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE INFORMATION WAS BEING PRESENTED AND WHAT WAS WORKING AND WHAT WASN'T WORKING. BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WERE VERY CLEAR ABOUT SAYING YOU COULD TELL, THEY UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. WE NEED TO WORK MORE ON HOW THIS IS PRESENTED, AND I THINK THIS DOCUMENT DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF FINE-TUNING THAT AND MAKING IT USER-FRIENDLY. IT WAS HELPFUL TO HAVE PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT TRAINED, BUT THEY CAN CERTAINLY SAY WHAT THEY DO AND DON'T UNDERSTAND. THAT IS HELPFUL IN ITSELF. >> ABSOLUTELY, AND THAT FITS RIGHT INTO OUR EDUCATION ROLE. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA AND A GREAT APPROACH, AND I THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL OF YOU, MARGARET, MCKENNA, DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A NAME THAT STARTS WITH AN M? >> YES [LAUGHTER]. >> I GET IT NOW, SO I WAS RULED OUT. [LAUGHTER] >> I'LL JUST MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT BASED ON MEMBER KOSAK'S FEEDBACK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. SHE ASKED ABOUT A SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON OF THE 2013 UPDATE TO THE 2021 UPDATE, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BRING TO THIS BOARD WHEN WE REVIEW THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM OLD TOWN. I'LL HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE LOOK FOR YOU GUYS TO BE CONFIDENT WHEN YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL, AND I'LL GO THROUGH WHAT HAS CHANGED IN THAT DOCUMENT AND WHY I THINK IT'S A BETTER ONE. >> GREAT. HOW IS IT GETTING PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC? IS IT JUST A BUNCH OF HARD COPIES THAT THEY CAN FLIP THROUGH? >> WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME HARD COPIES. THERE WAS A PAMPHLET THAT WAS CREATED FOR THE OTHER OUTREACH MEETINGS THAT CONSOLIDATES THE GUIDELINES INTO PRETTY DIGESTIBLE PIECE OF INFORMATION. MCKENNA HAS MADE SOME FLYERS THAT THERE'S THIS AND THAT FLYER. THESE GUIDELINES REGULATE THIS, BUT NOT THAT, AND YOU CAN SPEAK TO A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW IT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED AS WELL. >> I'VE MADE A LOT OF DIGESTIBLE LAYMAN'S TERM FLIERS AND GRAPHICS THAT MIA WAS SAYING IS LIKE THIS OR THAT OR LIKE FACT IN FICTION OR JUST TO ADDRESS THOSE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. THERE WAS A PRETTY EXTENSIVE IMPACT STATEMENT THAT MARTY HILTON HAD WRITTEN THE PREVIOUS GENTLEMAN WHO HELPED US WRITE THE GUIDELINES BACK IN 2021, AND HE PROVIDED SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY FROM THEIR INITIAL TIME THAT THEY HAD REACHED OUT TO SEE HOW PEOPLE FELT. TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION TO RE-ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AND LIKE THOSE CONCERNS THAT THEY BROUGHT UP THEN, [00:20:01] HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THEM NOW SO WE CAN INFORM THEM BETTER THIS TIME. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? GO FORTH AND CONQUER. THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, AND THEN WE GET TO OUR INFAMOUS DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES. [6.3. Downtown Design Guidlines Update] MIA GO FOR IT. >> SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, WE'VE HAD A FINAL MEETING BEFORE WE'VE COMPLETED THE PURCHASE ORDER AND ALL THAT. WITH MARQUIS, LADIMER, AND HUBECK. WE'VE SENT THEM THESE EDITS. THEY'VE AGREED TO DO THEM. WE HAD A MEETING WHERE THEY HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR ME TO GET STARTED THAT I HELPED ADDRESS. WE'VE SENT THEM UPDATED PHOTOS THAT THEY CAN USE IN THE GUIDELINES, SO EVERYWHERE WHERE WE SAID THIS IS A BAD QUALITY PHOTO, OR PLEASE REPLACE THIS. WE HAVE REPLACEMENT PHOTOS FOR THOSE. IT'S JUST WORKING THROUGH OUR SYSTEM NOW. WE RECEIVED THE SCOPE OF WORK FROM THEM, SO IT'S GOING THROUGH THE CITY'S PROCESS UPGRADING THE PURCHASE ORDERS SO THEY CAN GET TO WORK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I'M ESTIMATING FEBRUARY OR MARCH, WE'LL SEE A DRAFT. THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONTRACTED FOR ONE MORE ROUND AFTER THAT TO FINE-TUNE, AND THEN THERE WAS AN OPTIONAL FEE BAKED INTO THAT SCOPE OF WORK FOR THEM TO COME PRESENT TO CITY COMMISSION. AFTER IT IS REVIEWED AND RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THIS BOARD, THE CONSULTANT IS AVAILABLE TO COME TO A COMMISSION MEETING TO GET THAT ACROSS THE FINAL FINISH LINE. >> THAT'S ANOTHER MEETING. I THINK WE SHOULD ALL TRY TO ATTEND, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THE CONSULTANTS NECESSARILY WOULD UNDERSTAND THE REASON BEHIND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ASKED FOR IN THAT DOCUMENT. I WOULD NOT WANT THEM TO BE PUT ON THE FOREFRONT OF TRYING TO ANSWER. >> MARGARET PEARSON? >> YES. >> THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IT AS AN OPTIONAL FEE BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE BEFORE WE ACTUALLY HAVE THEM. I MAYBE STAFF DOES IT. WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT. >> GOT IT. GOOD. >> I DO HAVE AN UPDATE THAT I HAD OFFERED TO REACH OUT TO OUR LOCAL ARCHITECTS WHO HAVE DONE WORK IN HISTORIC DISTRICT AND SOLICIT THEM TO I GUESS DONATE THEIR ELEVATIONS OF THEIR PROJECTS. I DID RECEIVE COMMUNICATION BACK FROM SEVERAL THAT WERE PRETTY ENTHUSIASTIC, BUT I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING. [LAUGHTER] I KNOW I HAVE A COUPLE, AND I JUST HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO DIG INTO THEM AND FISH IT OUT. BUT AS SOON AS I GET ANYTHING FROM THEM, I'LL SEND THEM TO YOU, AND THERE'S A WAY TO INCORPORATE THEM. >> I HAVE TALKED THEM ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR COMMENT, AND I'M GOING TO BE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM. THEY HAVE THEY HAVE MY PERSONAL NUMBER. THEY HAVE EVERY CONTACT THEY CAN GET FOR ME, AND I'VE TOLD THEM ENTHUSIASTICALLY THAT I'M HERE FOR THEM THAT IF THEY FIND A COMMENT THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS, I DEFINITELY KNOW WHAT THAT COMMENT MEANS, SO I CAN HELP THEM THROUGH THAT. WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED WHAT MEMBER PASEO WAS SAYING ABOUT THE LOCAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS. IN THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, THEY HAVE THE FLORIDA STATE MODEL GUIDELINES FOR EACH OF THOSE. IF WE DO GET A LOCAL SUBMISSION, WE WILL JUST SWAP THAT OUT. >> VERY GOOD. >> THERE A SPECIFIC FORMAT. DO THEY KNOW THE FORMAT? I GUESS. DID THE LOCAL ARCHITECTS KNOW THE FORMAT THAT YOU WOULD NEED FOR THOSE? IS IT A JPPDA, WHATEVER? >> I'M NOT SURE. I CAN REACH OUT AND ASKING THAT. >> I GUESS THAT'D BE GOOD INFORMATION. >> ESPECIALLY [OVERLAPPING] >> SOMETHING HIGH QUALITY. >> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEND HIM ONE OF THOSE HAND-DRAWN ONES? ON HAPPY FACE. [LAUGHTER] >> I HAVEN'T HAD TO DRAW ANY HAPPY FACES ON ANYTHING IN QUITE A LONG TIME. >> YOU'VE BEEN THAT GRUMPY, HAVE YOU? >> NO, I THINK THAT WAS FOURTH GRADE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION ON THE DESIGN GUIDELINES? VERY GOOD. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. DID YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE STAFF CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL? [7. STAFF REPORT] ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> I THINK I HAD ONE, BUT I FORGOT TO GO AHEAD, VERONICA. >> I JUST HAVE ONE. PROBABLY MORE OF A COMMENT. LOOKING AT THE 126 SOUTH SIXTH STREET, THE PERMIT NUMBER IS ROFR-2025-0754. IT'S PAGE 7 OF NINE. MY CONCERN IS WHERE IT SAYS DESCRIPTION, REMOVE AND REPLACE ASPHALT SHINGLES. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GET HOW MUCH MORE INFORMATION YOU GET THAT IDENTIFIES WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING REPLACED. I'M BEING REALLY PICKY HERE, [00:25:02] BUT REMOVE AND REPLACE ASPHALT SHINGLES WITH WHAT? ARE YOU REMOVING AND REPLACE THEM IN KIND, OR IS IT SOME OTHER PRODUCT? I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT'S WORTH JUST HAVING THE PERSON JUST GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION SO THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU GET. >> THAT YOU SAID 126 SOUTH SIXTH STREET? >> THIS IS 126 SOUTH SIXTH STREET. >> I'M PRESUMING THAT THIS JUST MEANS THEY PUT NEW ASPHALT SHINGLES ON THE ROOF. >> THAT'S MR. GREG ROLAND'S HOUSE, AND I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM BEFORE I ISSUED THE PERMIT TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS GOING TO BE IN KIND. >> I THINK IT'S PROBABLY WORTH SAYING SOMETHING. >> IN THE DESCRIPTION. >> I THINK JUST A LITTLE BIT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. IN KIND OR LIKE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> YES. >> IS EVERYBODY AWARE, BY THE WAY THAT MR. ROLAND DID REPLACE THOSE CHIMNEYS? >> YES. >> THAT THEY LOOK QUITE NICE, SO WE DODGED A BULLET ON THAT ONE. >> THANK YOU. >> HE REPLACED THEM OR REPAIRED THEM? >> REPAIRED. >> REPAIRED THEM. >> REPAIRED THEM I'M SORRY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE STAFF APPROVALS? >> MY QUESTION WAS JUST ABOUT REPLACING REPLACE FIVE NON-HISTORIC WINDOWS. I ASSUME THERE'S A CRITERION SPACE IN PLACE THAT IF THE EXISTING WINDOW IS A DOUBLE HUNG THAT THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE IT WITH A DOUBLE HUNG. THEY'RE REPLACING IT WITH SOMETHING SIMILAR. DIFFERENT. I GUESS THAT'S IT. >> MY OPERATING PROCEDURE FOR ALL WINDOW REPLACEMENTS ARE IN KIND, SO DOUBLE HUNG VERSUS SINGLE HUNG, THE CONFIGURATION OF THE PANES, THE WIDTH AND THE HEIGHT OF THE WINDOWS TO MATCH THE CASINGS. THOSE WINDOWS WERE IN THE RICE'S HOUSE ON 30 NORTH SIXTH STREET, AND THAT WAS THAT KITCHEN ADDITION THAT YOU AND I DID THAT SITE VISIT TO IN THE LAST TIME. >> GOT YOU. >> I DID A SITE VISIT TO CONFIRM THAT THOSE WERE FINAL. >> I FIGURED THAT WAS THE ANSWER, BUT JUST THAT ONE LINE REPLACED FIVE NON-HISTORIC WINDOWS, SO I MIGHT AS WELL ASK. >> THAT'S IT. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, JUST A CURIOSITY QUESTION. DID THIS PERMIT WITH HYGEMA IN IT? WHAT GOT MOVED? DID SOMETHING GET MOVED? >> NO. I THINK THEY WERE JUST REPAIRING FOUNDATION. >> IT DOES BOTH. >> THEY HAD TO LIFT IT OR SOMETHING? COULD YOU? ANYTHING GETS MOVED, WE'LL KNOW IT RIGHT, WE WILL SEE IT. >> YES. >> [LAUGHTER] ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS OR ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA? >> YES. >> YES, SIR. GO. >> AT THE END OF LAST MEETING, WE HAD ASKED TO GET AN UPDATE ON WATERFRONT PARK, PEG LAKE PETE, STANDARD MARINE. DID WE GET ANY OF THAT? >> YES. THE STANDARD MARINE BUILDING, I KNOW THAT OWNER IS OUT TO BID FOR THE PROJECT, SO THEY'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT NUMBERS THEY GET BACK ON THAT PROJECT, BUT I KNOW THERE'S BEEN MOVEMENT ON THAT. >> THE STABILIZATION PROJECT? >> YES. THE ONE THAT THEY GOT THEIR COA WAS SEPTEMBER. THEY GOT THEIR COA FOR THAT. FOR THE INTERIOR STABILIZATION, THE REPAIR OF THE CIRCLE ON THE OUTSIDE, THE REPLACEMENT OF SOME WINDOWS, AND THE OPENINGS OF SOME OF THE HISTORIC WINDOWS AND DOORS. THE WATERFRONT PARK, I DID WANT TO UPDATE THE BOARD THAT THE SHRIMPING MONUMENT THAT'S OVER HERE IN THE PARKING LOT. THE BIG IS LIKE A 20-FOOT GRANITE PILLAR WITH THE COPPER SHRIMP BOAT ON TOP THAT IS BEING SCHEDULED TO MOVE TO THE WATERFRONT PARK. THEY ASKED ME TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT IT TO SEE IF I COULD FIGURE OUT HOW IT WAS ATTACHED TO THE GROUND, OR JUST SOME [INAUDIBLE]. >> START PICKING IT UP. >> IT'S LIKE A CONCRETE BLOCKS HAS WITHIN A CONCRETE AROUND IT. BUT I NOTICED THAT THE BOAT WAS OFF KILTER ON THE TOP, SO I ASKED THEM TO PLEASE ADDRESS THAT OR REMOVE IT BEFORE THEY TRIED TO MOVE IT. THEY WENT OUT THERE, WIGGLED IT AROUND, AND IT SNAPPED OFF, SO IT'S SITTING IN MY OFFICE RIGHT NOW. WAITING FOR RESTORATION, SO WE'RE DOING SOME RESEARCH ON WHO IN THE AREA DOES. THE COPPER IS IN GOOD CONDITION. BUT I THINK IT'S IRON THAT GOES THROUGH THE BOTTOM AND STICKS IN THE TOP OF THE GRANITE. THAT HAS RUSTED AWAY AND DETERIORATED A LOT, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE IN THE AREA IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGION WHO CAN DO METAL WORK, SCULPTURE, RESTORATION. BUT THAT WILL BE RESTORED AND MOVED TO THE WATERFRONT PARK WHEN IT'S READY TO BE SHOWCASED. >> THE SHRIMP MONUMENT IS NOT THERE? >> THE BOAT IS BEING RESTORED. IT'S NOT ON THE TOP. [00:30:03] >> PART OF IT IS NOT OUT THERE. >> CORRECT. >> I HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? >> THAT'S MIA'S OFFICE. >> THAT WOULD BE [INAUDIBLE]. >> THAT'S TRUE. >> WE JUST DISCUSSED YESTERDAY THE FERNANDINA BEACH MAIN STREET DESIGN COUNCIL MEETING SOME PR ABOUT THAT TO AVOID. >> IS MAIN STREET TAKING THAT ON? >> NO. I THINK MIA WAS TAKING IT ON. >> [LAUGHTER] I'VE TALKED TO MARY HAMBURGER, COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER, ABOUT IT, AND I SENT HER JUST A SUMMARY OF THE SITUATION, SO IT'S IN THEIR HANDS DOWN IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. I'VE MADE MY RECOMMENDATION TO CONDUCT PR. >> THEY NEED TO BE CAREFUL ON HOW THEY ATTACH THAT DISSIMILAR MATERIALS LIKE COPPER AND IRON, COPPER AND STEEL. THEY WILL CORRODE EACH OTHER AND JUST FALL TO PIECES REALLY QUICK, SO THEY NEED TO BE CAREFUL ON HOW THEY REATTACH THAT THING. >> THEY'RE MOVING IT BECAUSE? >> WE'VE HEARD FROM A VARIETY OF SOURCES, ESPECIALLY THE AMELIA ISLAND FERNANDINA RESTORATION FOUNDATION, THAT THAT IS A VERY CROWDED SPACE. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT MONUMENTS, AND THAT'S WHERE THE CHRISTMAS TREE IS RIGHT NOW. IT COMPLETELY BOXED THE VIEW OF THE SHRIMP BOAT MONUMENT. AT THE WATERFRONT PARK WILL BE A BETTER PLACE TO SHOWCASE IT WHERE PEOPLE CAN WALK AROUND AND APPRECIATE IT MORE RATHER THAN STANDING IN THE PARKING LOT AND APPRECIATING IT. I THINK THAT IS THE REASONING BEHIND THAT AS WELL. >> HERE WE GO. I'LL SEE IF I CAN [OVERLAPPING]. >> PEG LEG? >> I WAS DISCUSSING THIS WITH ATTORNEY PRINCE BEFORE THE MEETING. THE CITY IS GEARING UP TO BRING THAT CASE BACK TO THE HDC EITHER IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY. IT WAS TABLED BY THIS BOARD IN AUGUST. I WAS DISCUSSING WITH ATTORNEY PRINCE WHAT THE PROPER PROCEDURE IS TO BRING THAT OFF THE TABLE. IS IT A MATTER OF ME JUST NOTIFYING THE BOARD THAT THEY'RE BRINGING IT BACK? OR DOES THERE HAVE TO BE A FORMAL VOTE TO BRING THAT OFF THE TABLE? >> IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, ARE THEY BRINGING ACTUALLY PEG LEG PETE BACK, OR IS IT THE CITY'S INTENT TO BRING BACK THE CONCEPT OF THE NEW PIRATE AND WHERE HE MAY OR MAY NOT GO? >> IT WOULD BE THE NEWLY CARVED PIRATE. >> THE NEWLY CARVED PIRATE. >> THEY'RE ANTICIPATING ON BRINGING FORTH AN APPLICATION THAT PLACES HIM AT THE WATERFRONT PARK. THERE ARE GOING TO BE TWO LOCATIONS. I'VE HEARD. ONE WILL BE IN A GRASS AREA, AND ONE WILL BE ON THE BOARDWALK, AND THERE WILL BE ENGINEERED BASES FOR BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS. THEN THE HDC, I'M SURE THEY'LL HAVE A PREFERRED OPTION, BUT THE HDC CAN WEIGH IN ON WHERE THAT IDEAL LOCATION WOULD BE FOR THE NEWLY CARVED PIRATE. >> I STILL HAVE THE SAME QUESTION I'VE HAD SEVERAL TIMES. DOES THE CITY HAVE ACTUAL CRITERIA FOR PUBLICLY INSTALLED ARTWORK THAT CAN BE INTERACTED WITH BY THE PUBLIC TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BEEN INSTALLED, SO IT'S SAFE? AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT YET. >> WE DO NOT HAVE SAFETY CRITERIA FOR PUBLIC ART. I KNOW IT WAS HEARD BY THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE THAT HAS A DOCUMENT THAT WILL CLARIFY WHO IS DONATING THE ART, WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING IT? HOW LONG WILL IT BE THERE? WHERE IS THE LOCATION OF IT? DESCRIPTION OF THE ART. THAT IS A DOCUMENT THAT I'VE ASKED THE CITY TO PREPARE BEFORE THEY BRING THE PIRATE STATUTE BACK. I KNOW THAT IN PLACE OF THAT CRITERIA, THEY ARE GETTING A TRULY ENGINEERED BASE. I KNOW IN THE LAST MEETING, MEMBER PSULKOWSKI HAD SUGGESTED AND MEMBER KOSACK HAD SUGGESTED MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE STATUE AND HOW IT IS ASSEMBLED AND THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THAT. I'M HOPING FOR A MORE DETAILED APPLICATION THIS TIME FROM THE CITY. >> BECAUSE I'LL BE ASKING THAT. BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW THAT WHEN WE SAY YES, THAT WHAT WE'VE SAID YES TO IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE PASSED A SET OF CRITERIA AND BE SAFE. I CERTAINLY AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THAT. I WISH AN EXPERT WOULD LOOK AT IT AND YOU TELL US THAT, "HEY, THIS IS GOING TO BE GOOD." [00:35:04] >> I WILL PASS ALONG THOSE COMMENTS TO [INAUDIBLE]. >> DID YOU GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED? >> YES. THANK YOU. >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, WE WILL HEAR THE OVERALL WATERFRONT PLAN. >> I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT. >> THE COMPLETION PAPER. >> EVERYTHING ELSE. >> YES. INCLUDING PROBABLY A NEW STATUE, ETC. BUT THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THIS SAFETY THING THAT OUGHT TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT PRESENTATION. I WOULD REFER YOU TO GLENN. HIS PLACE I HEARD IT FROM. HE'S COMING IN EITHER FEBRUARY, I THINK HE SAID FEBRUARY. MAYBE FEBRUARY. YOU'VE HEARD THAT WRONG. >> HE'S PLANNING TO BRING AN APPLICATION FOR BRETT'S AND A SECTION OF THE SEAWALL? I'M SURE HE WILL BE DOING A PRESENTATION THAT PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF HIS INTENDED TIMELINE FOR THE WATERFRONT, INCLUDING THE PARK AND THE SEAWALL AND THE MARINA. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BASED ON WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. WHERE DOES THE TIME CAPSULE GO THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE DEPOT NOW? >> I'M NOT SURE. I'LL GET BACK TO YOU. >> PEG LEG IS STAYING AT THE MUSEUM, YES? >> THIS FUND RAISING ACTIVITY THAT WAS GOING ON TO RESTORE HIM, DO WE KNOW THE STATUS OF THAT? >> I KNOW THERE WAS A DEADLINE FOR IT. I THINK IT'S FEBRUARY 1ST. THEN AFTER FEBRUARY 1ST, IF THE FUNDS HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOCATED OR ACHIEVED IN THE WAY THAT WOULD FUND HIS RESTORATION, THOSE FUNDS WOULD GO TO THE MUSEUM TO EITHER MOVE HIM INSIDE AND CREATE AN EXHIBIT OR SOME OTHER WAY THAT THE MUSEUM CAN SUPPORT THE LONGEVITY OF THE STATUTE. >> THAT ATTEMPT TO RESTORE THE STATUTE DID NOT INCLUDE A PLAN TO BRING HIM BACK DOWNTOWN? >> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. >> OKAY. >> COULD YOU JUST FOLLOW UP AND SEE IF THAT'S THE CASE? IT WAS STARTED BY THE MAYOR, IS THAT TRUE? >> YES. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS THOUGHTS WERE ON THAT. THIS ORDINANCE THAT PARKS AND REC IS WORKING ON FOR PUBLIC ART AND WHO OWNS IT, WHO MAINTAINS IT AND ALL THAT STUFF. IS THERE ANY RETROACTIVE THING IN THERE? WE HAVE DAVID ULE SITTING ON A BENCH THAT WAS DONATED TO THE CITY BY THE RESTORATION FOUNDATION. BUT WHEN THERE WAS A NEED TO DO SOME REPAIR ON THAT STATUE, EVERYBODY WENT. WE DON'T KNOW WHOSE JOB IT IS, WILL THAT BE COVERED AND ALSO THE FOUNTAIN IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE? >> THAT IS DEFINITELY A PROJECT I COULD SEE ME UNDERTAKING TO RETROACTIVELY RECORD THOSE PIECES OF ART AND THEN SOLIDIFY WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN AND MANAGE THEM, ESPECIALLY, THINGS THAT ARE IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. >> THEN THOSE PIECES THAT YOU FOUND OUT AT THE CITY YARD TOO. >> OKAY. >> ONE MORE, IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN. YOU MADE ME THINK OF THE WATER FOUNTAIN THAT WE ACCEPTED, THE CITY ACCEPTED. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT AGENDA ITEM. DID THE CITY ACCEPT MAINTENANCE AND EVERYTHING OF IT? WHAT WAS THE STATUS OF THE PARK? >> THE DEPOT, YOU MEAN? >> THE ONE WITH THAT THEY CAME AND DONATED IT FROM THE ROTARY CLUB. >> THE ROTARY CLUB. >> I WAS JUST SAYING WE MIGHT WANT TO ADD THAT FROM, JUST IF WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN IT UP, THINGS THAT ARE DOWNTOWN. >> WE ADDED IF IT'S NOT IN THERE ALREADY BECAUSE I THINK THAT MISS [INAUDIBLE] ANTICIPATED MY QUESTION ON THAT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE IT ENDED. >> I'M NOT SURE I DIDN'T FOLLOW THAT ONE ALL THE WAY THROUGH PAST THE CITY COMMISSION LEVEL, BUT I CAN DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT TO SEE WHERE THAT ENDED UP. >> BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER IT BEING AT THE COMMISSION, BUT I COULD BE WRONG. THERE IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET CLARITY ON FOR THE BOARD IS, THE ART IN PUBLIC PLACES IS IN OUR CODE. [00:40:03] UNDER CHAPTER 70. I'VE RAISED A CONCERN TOO THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT HAVING THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE, BUT I NEED TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE. ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS THE COMMITTEE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RESPONSIBLE IS NO LONGER IN EXISTENCE. THAT'S THE ISSUE. WE HAVEN'T CLARIFIED THAT YET. I WATCHED THE PARKS MEETING AND I BELIEVE ACTUALLY THE STATUS THAT THEY GAVE WAS IT WAS IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY COMMENTED MUCH ON IT AT THAT MEETING. THEY JUST WERE GIVEN AN UPDATE THAT WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT IT. I'M STILL TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT EXACTLY WE NEED AND GET THAT IN PLACE. >> I THINK I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO WORK. IF IN FACT, IT'S NOW THE PRAC RESPONSIBILITY TO ACCEPT THAT PUBLIC ART. HOW DOES HDC GET INTO IT IF IT'S ART BEING DISPLAYED DOWNTOWN? >> IF IT FALLS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR THE CRA, IT WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE HDC NOT PRAC. >> THANK YOU. >> THAT'S WRITTEN INTO THAT DOCUMENT. >> RIGHT ON TOP OF THINGS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, AGAIN, I WAS JUST GOING TO ADDRESS THIS TABLE CONCEPT FROM AUGUST. BECAUSE THESE ARE APPLICATIONS, THE CONCEPT OF TABLING AN ITEM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING, OR IT REALLY JUST DIES. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APPLICANTS WHO COME BEFORE YOU, AND THE CITY IS AN APPLICANT, SO THERE WOULD BE ALL SORTS OF DUE PROCESS ISSUES. IN MY OPINION, WE'VE PASSED THE NEXT MEETING. NOBODY'S TAKEN IT OFF THE TABLE. THAT JUST DIED JUST TABLEING, IT HAS JUST GONE AWAY. WHEN THE APPLICANT'S READY TO BRING IT BACK, THEN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO. I DID GET CONFIRMATION THAT THEY WILL BE SHOOTING FOR THE FEBRUARY MEETING SO THAT THEY CAN MEET THE AGENDA DEADLINES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED FOR THE HDC. I JUST WANTED TO BRING YOU UP TO SPEED ON THAT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NEED TO TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE. THE APPLICANT CAN BRING IT BACK AND BRING IT BEFORE YOU. >> WHAT WAS THAT ISSUE? >> THAT WAS THE NEWLY CURVED PIRATE. >> GOT YOU. >> BECAUSE THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU HEARD IT IN AUGUST AS PEG LEG PETE. PART OF IT WAS THE NEW PIRATE. THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THAT YOU HAD TABLED IT IN AUGUST, AND HOW CAN WE GET IT BACK BEFORE YOU PROCEDURALLY CORRECT? I THINK WE'RE VERY CLEAR. WE CAN JUST BRING IT BACK. >> THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW MY DILEMMA SITTING HERE WAS, HOW DO WE GIVE THEM THE CHANCE TO REVISE THEIR APPLICATION AND COME BACK TO US WITHOUT, YOU HAD NO IDEA TO SET A DATE CERTAIN HAVE THEM COME BACK. THAT WAS A USEFUL TOOL TO HAVE IN OUR TOOLBOX TO JUST SAY, WE'RE NOT SAYING NO. BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN. >> FROM ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, IF YOU TABLE A MOTION, AND IF YOU'RE THINKING MORE OF YOUR PROCEDURES THAT ARE A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING IN AN APPLICANT, THEN THAT MOTION ONCE TABLED IF IT'S NOT BROUGHT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING, THEN IT JUST GOES AWAY. AT A FUTURE DATE, ANOTHER MEMBER COULD BRING THE MATTER UP AGAIN IF THEY WANTED TO. BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, NO MATTER WHAT ROBERT'S RULES OR ANYTHING, YOU'VE GOT AN APPLICANT, YOU HAVE DUE PROCESS, IF WE PUT IT ON YOU TO VOTE TO BRING IT BACK, AND YOU DIDN'T VOTE TO BRING IT BACK, WE'D BE IN TROUBLE. ASKING YOU TO MAKE A MOTION TO BRING IT BACK GIVES YOU AN OPTION THAT COULD PUT YOU IN A POSITION THAT COULD CAUSE A LEGAL PROBLEM BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS EVERY RIGHT TO BE HEARD BY THIS BOARD. AS THE BOARD MEMBER IS INDICATING, YOU ONLY TABLED IT TO GET THE APPLICANT TIME TO GET ITSELF TOGETHER AND DECIDE WHEN THE APPLICANT WANTED TO COME BACK. I THINK WE'RE PROCEDURALLY IN A GOOD PLACE AND THEY CAN BRING IT BACK WHEN THEY'RE READY. >> I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A RECORD SHORT. >> I KNOW. >> THIS IS TERRIBLE. I'M SORRY TO DO THIS RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS, BUT ARE WE GOING TO SEE THE SIGNS FOR PAID PARKING? >> MAYBE. >> I'M SORRY. >> I HAVE NOT HEARD OF THE CITY SUBMITTING A NEW APPLICATION FOR THE SIGNS FOR PAID PARKING. >> CAN YOU GET IT ON THE RECORD? >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH TO [00:45:01] SEE IF IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF TRANSPORTATION. THEY WOULD STILL NAVIGATE, IS WHAT THEY'RE SUBMITTING GOING TO FALL IN LINE WITH THAT. I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME RESEARCH GOING ON ON THE CITY'S PART. WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THAT CONCLUSION YET AS TO WHERE THESE SIGNS FALL. IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE JUST MOVE IT FORWARD. THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO INVESTIGATE IT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING >> THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL, MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD. WHAT'S OUTSIDE MY REALM IS DEADLINES, AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE MAKING PRESENTATIONS, I DON'T KNOW WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY THAT IS TO FIND OUT FROM THE CITY WHEN THEY WANT TO PROCEED, HOW THEY WANT TO PROCEED. >> I THINK THAT GLENN IS WORKING WITH JAROLINA ON THAT. BUT WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THAT NEXT DECISION MAKING BEFORE THEY COME BACK. BUT EITHER WAY, YOU WILL SEE THAT AGAIN IN SOME FORM. >> SEE, THAT WASN'T SO HARD. THANK YOU, MARGARET. ANYTHING ELSE? ARE WE ALL GOOD FOR CHRISTMAS? MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY HOLIDAYS. HAPPY HANUKKAH. >> I'M TALKING A LOT TONIGHT, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, BUT COULD I UPDATE THE BOARD ON ONE THING? I HEARD YOU MENTION LISA FINKELSTEIN, SO I THOUGHT I WOULD UPDATE EVERYBODY THAT WHEN LISA LEFT, THEY MODIFIED THE POSITION AND RECLASSIFIED IT AS A COORDINATOR. DOWNTOWN PROJECT. DOWNTOWN DISTRICT COORDINATOR FROM DOWNTOWN DISTRICT MANAGER, AND THEY POSTED IT. KATIE NEWTON, MY LEGAL ASSISTANT, AND THE CITY'S LEGAL ASSISTANT FOR EIGHT YEARS, HAS APPLIED AND ACCEPTED THE POSITION. IN FEBRUARY, THEY'VE AGREED TO ALLOW HER TO WORK WITH MY OFFICE THROUGH JANUARY. IN FEBRUARY 2ND, HOPING WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY IN PLACE FROM MY OFFICE. SHE WILL BE TAKING OVER THAT ROLE FULL TIME. KATIE NEWTON WILL BE PRESENTING TO YOU AND BRINGING APPLICATIONS FORWARD FOR THESE VARIOUS THINGS. MANY OF YOU MAY ALREADY KNOW IT, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D UPDATE YOU. >> I MISSED OUT ON THAT ONE. >> HAVE A WONDERFUL HOLIDAY, ALL OF YOU, AND WE HAVE ADJOURNED OUR MEETING. THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.