Nov 05, 2019 Regular Meeting

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PROJECT LA MAKES THIS EVENING. FOR THE NATIVE AMERICAN INDIAN

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>> GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. >> THERE YOU GO.

GOOD TO SEE YOU. WHEREAS IS THE FIRST TO LIVE IN THIS GREAT LAND, NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY ENRICHED EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES AND HELPED SHAPE THE AMERICA WE KNOW TODAY.

THEIR TRADITIONS AND VALUES CONTINUE TO INSPIRE THE IDEALS OF SELF-GOVERNMENT AND DETERMINATION THAT ARE THE FRAMEWORK OF THE UNITED STATES. WHEREAS REFLECT ON OUR HISTORY WE MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE DEPLORABLE CHAPTERS OF VIOLENCE AGAINST NATIVE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WHILE WE CANNOT UNDO THE PAIN AND TRAGEDY OF THE PAST WE CAN SET UP TO FORGE A BRIGHTER FUTURE OF PROGRESS AND HOPE ACROSS INDIAN COUNTRY AND THE AMERICAN LANDSCAPE. WHEREAS FOUNDED IN 1944 THE NATIONAL CONGRESS OF AMERICAN INDIANS WAS ESTABLISHED TO SECURE AND PRESERVE THE AMERICAN INDIANS SOVEREIGN RIGHTS UNDER TREATIES AND AGREEMENTS WITH THE UNITED STATES TO PROTECT AMERICAN INDIAN TRADITIONAL, CULTURAL AND RELIGIOUS RIGHTS, TO SEEK APPROPRIATE, EQUITABLE AND BENEFICIAL SERVICES FOR AMERICAN INDIAN PEOPLE AND TO PROMOTE THE COMMON WELFARE AND ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN AMERICAN INDIANS. WHEREAS NATIVE AMERICAN AWARENESS WORK BEGAN IN 1976 AND RECOGNIZED EXPANDED BY CONGRESS AND APPROVED BY PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH IN AUGUST OF 1990 DESIGNATED THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER AS NATIONAL AMERICAN INDIAN HERITAGE MONTH. THIS MONTH WE RECOGNIZE THE CONTRIBUTIONS AMERICAN INDIANS HAVE MADE IN THE HANDS OF FREEDOM, PROSPERITY AND GREATNESS OF AMERICA TODAY.

THEIR CUSTOMS AND TRADITIONS ARE CELEBRATED AS PART OF THE RICH LEGACY THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES. I JOHN MILLER AS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH DO HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 2019 AS NATIONAL AMERICAN INDIAN HERITAGE MONTH IN FERNANDINA BEACH AND URGE ALL OF OUR CITIZENS TO OBSERVE THIS MONTH WITH APPROPRIATE PROGRAMS, CEREMONIES AND ACTIVITIES.

CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. I THINK I'VE SPOKEN TO YOU BEFORE ABOUT THE MUSEUM OF AMERICAN INDIAN IN WASHINGTON, D.C. I'VE BEEN TO THAT MUSEUM, AND IT'S IMPRESSIVE. AND I COMMEND TO YOU THE NEXT TIME YOU ARE IN D.C. AND THE NEXT TIME YOU ARE IN D.C. NEXT TO IT WILL BE THE MEMORIAL TO THE AMERICAN INDIAN, WHICH IS SLATED TO OPEN VETERAN'S DAY OF 2020. AND IT WILL BE RIGHT BESIDE THE MUSEUM.

AND AS I WAS DRIVING DOWN HERE TONIGHT I REALIZED THAT THE OPENING CEREMONIES OF THAT MEMORIAL ARE GOING TO BE SOMETHING TO BE HOLD. I AM SURE THE TRIBES FROM ALL OVER AMERICA WILL COME IN REGAL YEAH AND PERFORM. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] MAYOR MILLER: ITEM 4.2 IS A

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WHAT THIS HAS DONE IS CHANGED THE NATURE OF THE PROJECT. THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT WAS THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS WAS GOING TO COME IN AND RE-NOURISH IT EVERY FIVE YEARS. AS IT TURNS OUT, THE EXTENT OF THE PROJECT IS THAT WE'VE DONE ABOUT 10 YEARS AND ABOUT TWO THIRD TO THREE QUARTERS OF THE MATERIAL PLACED WAS NOT -- WELL IT WAS THROUGH THE CORPS BUT IT WAS BASICALLY NAVY SANDS. IT WAS DONE ALMOST 100% AT NAVY EXPENSE. SO, BASICALLY THESE ARE THE LIMITS OF THE SHORE PROTECTION PROJECT. WHAT WE DID THIS YEAR IS WE MONITORED THE BEACH NOT ONLY ON THE NORTH END OF THE ISLAND BUT ALSO ON THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND. WE COMBINED YOUR DATA WITH DATA THAT WAS ACQUIRED BY S SESO ON THE SOUTH END. THE ADVANTAGE IS THAT IT GIVES US AN OVERVIEW OF THE CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE ISLAND AND REALLY HASN'T BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. WE ATTEMPTED TO DO THIS IN 2000 BECAUSE THERE ARE VERY FEW SURVEYS THAT COVER THE ENTIRETY OF THE ISLAND. THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE IS THAT IT SHOW SE THE SPATIAL LIMITS AND THE VOLUMES OF WHERE SAND BEEN PLACED ON THE ISLAND. THE EROSIONAL PORTIONS OF THE ISLAND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE NORTH AND SOUTH END. THE CIVIL WORKS PROJECT, THE NAVY SANDS PLACED ON THE NORTH END AND SOME SAND FROM THE INNER-COASTAL IS PLACED ON THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND. WITHIN THE NORTHERN MOST LIMITS OF THOSE BARS THAT YOU SEE UP THERE, OVER THIS PERIOD OF TIME, BEGINNING IN THE EARLY 70S, THERE HAVE BEEN 8 MILLION CUBIC YARDS OF SAND PLACED WITHIN THE NORTHERN LIMITS OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH. AND SIMILAR NUMBERS ON THE SOUTH END. NEXT SLIDE. NOW BY VIRTUE OF MONITORING THE BEACH, WHAT WE DO IS WE SURVEY THE PROFILE OF THE BEACH ON A THOUSAND FOOT INTERVALS AT THE EXACT SAME LOCATION WHENEVER WE DO THE SURVEYS. THE FIRST SURVEYS OF RECORD ARE BACK FROM 1974 WHEN THE STATE OF FLORIDA SET THE SETBACK LINE WHICH BECAME THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE. THEY WERE THE FIRST TO SET UP A MONUMENTED BASELINE THAT COULD BE SURVEYED FOR THEIR PURPOSES AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES SUCH AS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

SO WHAT WE DO IS WE COME IN AND SURVEY THESE PROFILES AT INTERVALS AND YOU CAN SEE HERE A PROGRESSION. THE DARK LINE ACTUALLY -- THE DARKEST LINE IS TODAY'S SURVEY LINE. BASICALLY, THIS SUMMER, MAY/JUNE. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE IS MAJOR CHANGES.

IT'S BASICALLY THROUGH SAND PLACEMENT. AT LEAST IN THE NORTHERN END OF THE ISLAND HERE. SO WHAT YOU SEE IS A PROGRESSION FROM 1974, WHICH IS THE WORST CASE CONDITION, ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH HERE, ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH TODAY. SO, IF WE HAVE THIS DATA, THEN WE CAN MEASURE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SURVEYS WHICH GIVES US THE CHANGE IN VOLUME OVER TIME. WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT THE CHANGE IN INTEREST SUCH IS WHERE IS THE MEAN HIGH WATER LINE TODAY COMPARED TO 1974. THOSE ARE THE TWO INDICATORS WE LOOK AT. TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT CHANGES IN WHERE THE MEAN HIGH WATER LINE HAS BEEN, AND IF YOU ASSUME THE HIGH WATER LINE IN '74 IS THIS HORIZONTAL LINE -- THAT WAS THE FIRST DATA SENT -- WE MEASURED WHERE IT HAS CHANGED OVER TIME, WE HAD ONE SURVEY IN 2000 AND A LIMITED SURVEY IN '81. AND THIS COVERS BASICALLY THE LIMITS OF THE FEDERAL PROJECT WHICH ENDED ABOUT R34, R35. WHAT YOU SEE

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EVEN AT LOW TIDE THERE WAS VERY LITTLE BEACH. BECAUSE MOST OF THIS AREA OR A LOT OF THIS AREA WAS REVETTED WITH RUBBLE THAT CAME FROM THE AIRPORT. IT WAS ALSO REVETTED WITH MATERIAL THAT WAS PLACED THERE AFTER HURRICANE DORA BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN 1964. AGAIN, ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE AS TO WHERE THE MEAN HIGH WATER LINE IS TODAY RELATIVE TO WHERE IT WAS IN 1974, WHICH IS OUR BASELINE HERE AND YOU CONDITION SEE THROUGHOUT THE LIMITS OF THE ENTIRE NASSAU COUNTY PROTECTION PROJECT, IT'S ALL RE-NOURISHED WITH THE MEAN HIGH WATERLINE MOVED OUT FROM WHERE IT WAS IN '74 BY AN AVERAGE OF OVER 200 FEET.

THAT'S THE ROBUST BEACH SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE TODAY. IN ADDITION TO SURVEYING THE BEACH FOR THE CITY, WE ARE ALSO THE CONSULTANTS TO THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND. SO WHAT WE DID IS SCHEDULED THEIR SURVEYS AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE CITY SCHEDULED THEIRS. BY VIRTUE OF THAT WE NOW HAVE A SNAPSHOT OF CHANGES ALONG THE ENTIRETY OF AMELIA ISLAND FROM VARIOUS SURVEY DAYS. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE YOU ARE LOOKING AT CHANGES FROM THE FIRST SURVEY IN 1974 BY THE STATE WHEN THEY SET UP THE CONTROL LINE PROGRAM TO 2000 AND TO JULY OF THIS YEAR WHICH IS MOST RECENT. THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND IN 2000 WAS SEVERELY ERODED. AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT IT CHANGED BY 900 FEET WITHIN THE PARK SYSTEM. BY VIRTUE OF THAT, THAT WAS THE GENESIS OR PLACE OF BUILDING A TERMINAL DRAWING. THIS DATA IS PRETERMINAL DRAWING. I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT HAPPENED ONCE THE TERMINAL WAS CONSTRUCTED ON THE PARK PROPERTY. LET ME BACK UP ONE SLIDE. WHAT'S OF INTEREST HERE IS THAT THE MIDDLE OF THE ISLAND HAS ADVANCED ALSO. EVEN THOUGH IT HAS NOT BEEN DIRECTLY BEACH FILLED BY EITHER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR BY SESO.

THIS MEANS THAT AREA IS FED TO SOME DEGREE BY THE BEACH FILL PROJECTS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH END. IT ALSO CONNOTES A FACT THAT THERE'S AN AREA OF QUASI STABILITY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ISLAND WHICH IS QUITE INTERESTING AND UNIQUE. SO WE HAVE SEVERE EROSIONAL STRESS ON BOTH END OF THE ISLAND BUT HAVE ACTUALLY A DEPOSITIONAL AREA TO A LARGE DEGREE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT OVER TIME FOR 10, 20, 30 YEARS. WE HAVE AN AREA OF STABILITY. SO, AGAIN, IN ADDITION TO LOOKING AT THE MEAN HIGH WATER LINE WE LOOK AT THE PLUS NINE FOOT CONTOUR. AGAIN, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT IS WHERE IS THE DUNE OVER TIME OR THE TOW OF THE DUNE. NEXT SLIDE. THIS SLIDE IS OF INTEREST BECAUSE IT SHOWS CHANGES BETWEEN 2000 AND 2019.

BY VIRTUE OF ACTIVITIES ON THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND YOU SEE THERE WAS MAJOR CHANGES IN THE MEAN HIGH WATERLINE. BUT THERE IS ALSO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE PARK SYSTEM. BASICALLY BY

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WHAT ARE THE CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE ISLAND SYSTEM? SO, BY VIRTUE OF NOW HAVING THESE DATA SETS, INCLUDING THE ONE WE JUST TOOK THIS YEAR, WE CAN COMPUTE HOW MUCH VOLUME IS ABOVE THE MEAN HIGH WATERLINE. HOW MUCH VOLUME IS ABOVE THE TOW OR BETWEEN THE MEAN HIGH WATERLINE AND WHAT WE CALL THE DEPTH OF CLOSURE WHICH IS WHERE THE ACTIVE BEACH ENDS. THE REAL BEACH IS NOT JUST THE BEACH THAT YOU SEE ON A DAILY BASIS BETWEEN HIGH AND LOW TIDE. THE ACTIVE BEACH ENDS AT ABOUT MINUS 16 TO MINUS 18 FEET OF WATER. SO, SAND IS MOVING BASICALLY FROM THAT ELEVATION UP ALONG SHORE, DEPENDING ON THE WAY OF CLIMATOLOGY. WE CAN SEE OVER THIS PERIOD OF TIME, BETWEEN 2001 AND 2019 THEY'RE NOW WITHIN THE ACTIVE BEACH SYSTEM THERE'S ALSO 8 MILLION CUBIC YARDS OF SAND THAT CAN BE ACCOUNTED FOR.

ABOUT A QUARTER OF THAT IS THE SAND THAT YOU SEE IN THE DRY BEACH ABOVE THE MEAN HIGH WATERLINE. AGAIN, SOMETHING WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO HISTORICALLY UNTIL WE HAD THIS TYPE OF DATA. WELL WHY DO WE DO BEACH MONITORING? GIVES US THE ABILITY TO DOCUMENT LONG AND SHORT-TERM EROSION RATES, TO QUANTIFY THE PERFORMANCE OF THE NAVY DISPOSAL AS WELL AS PROVIDE DESIGN GUIDANCE TO THE CORPS AS TO WHERE THE SAND SHOULD BE PLACED COMING OUT OF THE CHANNEL. IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO QUANTIFY SYNERGISTIC BENEFITS TO OTHER PROPERTIES.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE MSTU ON THE NORTH END OF THE ISLAND GOES THE CENTER OF THE ISLAND. WELL BEYOND THE LIMITS OF FERNANDINA BEACH NASSAU COUNTY SHORE PROTECTION PROJECT. SO, THROUGH THIS, WE CAN SHOW SYNERGISTIC BENEFITS TO OTHER PROPERTIES TWEEN MSTU THAT GETS SAND BUT THEY DON'T GET IT DIRECTLY PLACED ON THEIR BEACH. THEY GET IT INDIRECTLY PLACED THROUGH ACREATION AND THE PLACEMENT OF SAND NORTHWARD OF THEM. IT GIVES US THE -- YOU HAVE TO FORMULATE STATE GRANT APPLICATIONS APP ASAIDCALLY TO GET STATE FUNDING FOR PROJECTS.

WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT 6 MONTHS BECAUSE WE'VE EXPENDED THE GRANT FOR THE FEDERAL PROJECT THAT WAS COMPLETED THIS YEAR. SO, WE'RE GOING START BACK OVER THAT CYCLE. AND IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO DOCUMENT THE BEACH CONDITIONS PRIOR TO THE HURRICANE SEASON, WHICH IS PRETTY IMPORTANT. SO, IF THE BEACH IS DAMAGED BY A STORM WE CAN QUANTIFY HOW MUCH IS LOST WHICH ALLOWS THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS TO ASK CONGRESS FOR ADDITIONAL SAND TO BE PLACED BACK IN YOUR PROJECT, PARTICULARLY IF IT IS A VERY LARGE SCALE DISASTER IN THE SOUTHEAST. A MAJOR STORM. SO, IN CONCLUSION, THIS PROJECT -- THIS FEDERAL PROJECT OR THE SAND PLACEMENT FROM THE NAVY IS ONGOING. AND WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT THIS YEAR IS THAT YOU WILL GET ABOUT 3 TO 400,000 CUBIC YARDS OUT OF THE CHANNEL OF HIGH QUALITY SAND AND IT WILL BE PLACED BASICALLY FROM R13 WHICH IS THE FENCE LINE WITH THE PARK DOWN TO DOLPHIN AVENUE.

AND WITHIN THAT AREA THERE WILL BE A WORK ZONE. IT SHOULD BE A FAIRLY QUICK PROJECT THAT WOULD TAKE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN ON AVERAGE ONLY ABOUT 30 DAYS. BUT ALSO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE'S ONLY A PORTION OF THE OCEANFRONT OF THE CITY FERNANDINA BEACH WILL BE WITHIN THAT CONSTRUCTION AREA. IN THE FOLLOWING YEARS, WE WILL THEN TRY TO RE-NOURISH THE BEACH SEGMENT BY SEGMENT, USING THE NAVY SAND. BECAUSE BASICALLY WE GET IT FOR FREE, WHICH IS A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT TO NASSAU COUNTY AND TO THE CITY. I THINK THAT PROBABLY CONCLUDES IT. BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS? COMMISSIONER ROSS: THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I HAVE BASICALLY FOUR QUESTIONS. MY FIRST QUESTION IS: WHAT WOULD

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COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHICH THE NAVY DOESN'T DO? SPEAKER: THE NAVY DOES NOT DO. WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE IN GETTING THE NAVY TO DO THE TWO THIRD. HISTORICALLY, UP UNTIL THE LAST TWO YEARS THEY USE TO JUST THROW THE SAND ON THE NORTH END. ACTUALLY FOR A DECADE. BECAUSE THAT WAS THE LEAST COST DISPOSAL THAT WAS STILL BENEFICIAL TO THE STATE AND TO THE COUNTY AND TO THE CITY. THE CORPS STAFF HAS BEEN VERY AGGRESSIVE IN TRYING TO UTILIZE THE NAVY SAND TO COME UP WITH WHAT I'VE TERMED THE ALTERNATE RE-NOURISHMENT PROJECT. TO USE THE NAVY SAND TO THE GREATEST ADVANTAGE AND TO SPREAD IT AS FAR SOUTH WARD AS THEY CAN ABSORB FINANCIALLY. AND THE LAST COUPLE YEARS THAT WAS TWO THIRD OF THE WAY DOWN. THE LAST YEAR DAS COST SHARED BY YOU AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: MY SECOND QUESTION IS YOU MENTIONED THAT SAND IS PUT AT THE SOUTH AND AT THE NORTH. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THE SAND AT THE SOUTH GOES NORTH? BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT GOES THIS WAY AND I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW IT MEETS IN THE MIDDLE. SPEAKER: THAT'S A MISNOMER.

SAND MOVES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. NOT ONLY MOVES ON AND OFFSHORE.

IT MOVES ONSHORE IN THE SUMMER BECAUSE WE HAVE LONGER WAVES.

IN THE WINTER WE HAVE SHORTER WAVES WHICH ARE THE -- SHORTER PERIOD WAVES WHICH ARE THE STORM RELATED WAVES. SO WHAT WE FIND IS THAT IN THE SUMMER MONTHS THE ACTUAL DIRECTION ATE OF STAND TRANSPORT AND ENERGY IS FROM SOUTH TO NORTH. SO THE MATERIAL THAT COMES OUT OF THE SAISSA PROJECT GOES INTO THE CENTER OF THE ISLAND. A LOT OF IT GOES AMERICAN BEACH AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY AMERICAN BEACH LOOKS AS GOOD AS IT DOES TODAY.

SO, SAND MOVES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. OUR MODELLING RECENTLY HAS CONCLUDED IT'S MUCH MORE THAN WE'VE EVER -- WELL WELL ANECDOTALLY IT'S BEEN DESCRIBED AS. WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROJECT ON THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND AND WE'RE DOING SOPHISTICATED NEW MIRE CAL MODELLING AND IT'S ANSWERING A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS TO WHY THINGS ARE IN THE CENTER OF THE -- OR WITH RESPECT TO THE STABILITY AND ACREATION TO THE CENTER OF THE ISLAND AND WHEN SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES WITHIN THE SAISSA BEACH FILL PROJECT. BUT SAND MOVES BOTH DIRECTIONS.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: THANK YOU. ME THIRD QUESTION IS THE QUALITY OF SAND MAKES A DIFFERENCE IS MY UNDERSTANDING. DO YOU MONITOR THE QUALITY OF SAND WE'RE GETTING? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT THE NAVY IS PUTTING ON AND WHERE THE FEDS GET THEIR SAND FROM? SPEAKER: WE DO NOT. WE DO NOT MONITOR IT CONCEPTUALLY BECAUSE THE COARSER THE MATERIAL, THE MORE STABLE IT IS. NOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF SAND THERE'S A LOT OF CHARACTERISTICS. IS IT USER-FRIENDLY? IS IT STABLE? IF I PUT FINE MATERIAL OUT THERE IT ERODES VERY RAPIDLY. THIS COARSE MATERIAL THAT WE SEE WHICH HAS A HIGH SHELF CONTENT IS PART OF THE REASON YOUR BEACHES ARE AS STABLE AS THEY ARE. PARTICULARLY EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ISLAND. SO THE NATURE OF THE MATERIAL THAT YOU ARE GETTING, AT LEAST FROM A COASTAL ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, IS IDEAL. OTHER FACTORS HAVE TO DO WITH WHETHER IT ADVERSELY AFFECTS TURTLE NESTING. WHICH I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY RECORD IT HAS. SOME OF THE AGENCIES

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COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHAT ABOUT FOR THE FEDS?

>> SPEAKER: THEY'RE ACCEPTING OF THE SAND. THEY CONSIDER IT TO BE HIGHLY BENEFICIAL.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: NO. HOW DO WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR SAND FROM? SPEAKER: WELL IT TURNS OUT WE KNOW FROM HISTORY FROM THE 1970S AS TO WHICH SECTION OF THE NAVIGATION PROJECT HAS THE MATERIAL THAT SHOULD BE PUT ON THE BEACH. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE CORPS HAS DIVIDED THE NAVIGATION PROJECT UP INTO THREE SEGMENTS. THE INTERNAL SEGMENT, WHEN IS WHERE MOST OF THE MATERIAL COMES FROM, WHERE THE COARSE MATERIAL COMES FROM, GOES THE BEACH. THE NEXT SEGMENT HAS HIGHER FINES IN IT. UP TO ABOUT 20%. THAT MATERIAL GOES INTO A NEAR SHORE DISPOSAL AREA WHERE 80 PERCENT OF THE SAND -- EVEN THOUGH IT'S FINE, STILL BENEFITS AMELIA ISLAND. THE OTHER PORTION OF THE SAND, WHICH IS MOSTLY MUDS AND CLAYS, MOSTLY MUDS, ORGANICS, GOES OFFSHORE TO THE DISPOSAL SITE. SO WE KNOW EXTREMELY WELL WHICH SEGMENTS OF THE PROJECT HAVE THE TYPE OF MATERIAL TO GO INTO EACH ONE OF THOSE DISPOSAL AREAS.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: MY FOURTH QUESTION'S GOT TO DO WITH LIDAR WHICH IS LIKE DETECTION RANGING RADAR. WHICH MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S MORE ACCURATE, EASIER TO DO AND CHEAPER THAN THE CURRENT METHOD OF USING TRADITIONAL SURVEY TECHNIQUES. I AM WONDERING WHY WE DON'T USE LIDAR.

SPEAKER: BECAUSE LIDAR CAN'T PENETRATE DIRTY WATER. SO, IF I HAVE A PROFILE LINE HERE THAT HAS TO GO OUT 3,000 FEET, THE LIDAR WOULD PROBABLY STOP IN MAYBE FIVE OR 6 FEET OF WATER EVEN AT THE BEST TIMES OF THE YEAR WHEN THE WATER WAS ITS CLEAREST. SO IT ONLY GIVES US A PORTION OF THE BEACH PROFILE WE'RE INTERESTED IN. IT ALSO -- IT'S NOT NECESSARILY CHEAP.

IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY EXPENSIVE BUT IT IS A VOLUMINOUS DATABASE.

WHEN YOU DO A LIDAR SURVEY YOU GET A CLOUD OF POINTS THAT'S PHENOMENAL. BUT I REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT DATA. BECAUSE ALL I'M BING LAWING AT ARE REDUNDANT PROFILES ON 30 FOOT INTERVALS. SO NOT BEING REALLY COST-EFFECTIVE OR PRO DEPARTMENT TO TAKE LIDAR DATA AND HAVE TO GRAPHICALLY CUT IT TO GET THAT SURVEY DATA ON THOUSAND FOOT INTERVALS WHEN IT'S GIVING ME CONTINUOUS DATA EVERY INCH, COUPLE INCHES. SO IT HAS ITS PLACE, BUT FOR THE TYPE OF PURPOSES OF MONITORING WE'RE DOING HERE, IT ALSO HAS ITS SHORTCOMINGS. IT WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO ANALYZE THE ENTIRE PROFILE OUT TO THE DEPTH OF CLOSURE. COMMISSIONER ROSS:. THANK YOU.

MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER. VICE MAYOR KREGER: I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS SURVEY COVERED THE SECTION MSU WHERE PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR RE-NOURISHMENT WHICH IS ALL IN FERNANDINA BEACH. THE SAISSA IS NOT PAID FOR -- THEY PAY FOR THEIR OWN.

SPEAKER: WE JUST SCHEDULE THEM AT THE SAME TIME. IT'S ACTUALLY THE SAME SURVEY. VICE MAYOR KREGER: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PROGRAMS. THE NASSAU COUNTY SHORE PROTECTION WHICH IS CITY SPONSORED IS PAID 79% BY THE FEDS, 9% BY THE STATE AND WE SPLIT WITH THE COUNTY THE 12%. THE LAST TWO YEAR PROJECTS WAS THE LOCAL SHARE AND OUR FEDERAL SHARE WAS PAID BY THE TDC. THAT IS THE REASON WE IMPLEMENTED THE MSTU WAS TO PAY THAT. THIS WAS PARTIALLY PAID BY THE SURVEY. THERE IS SOME MONITORING WHEN THEY'LL RE-NOURISH THEY WILL MONITOR.

THEY WILL MONITOR CERTAIN ELEMENTS AND CLAY. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE STRATEGIC, COMPATIBLE BEACH MATERIAL.

THIS YEAR'S PROJECT WHICH I GOT ON THE COMMENTS BUT I CAN DO IT EARLY IN THE MEETING WILL PROBABLY START IN JANUARY. THEY JUST SCHEDULED PRECONSTRUCTION THE 26TH OF JUNE. JUST LIKE ERIC SAID FROM FORT CLENCH NO FURTHER THAN THE MAIN BEACH.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WE WILL MAINTAIN ALL PUBLIC ACCESSES WILL BE ACCESSIBLE EXCEPT IN THE WORK AREA AND ADA ACCESS AT NORTH BEACH PARK WILL BE BURIED. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THEY WILL OPERATE AT NIGHT TIME 24/7. SO, THERE ARE INCONVENIENCES AND

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MAYOR MILLER: ON TO ITEM 5 THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING

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PUBLIC SPEAKER: MY FIRST MEETING HERE. I'M CONFUSED A LITTLE BIT BY THE SET-UP. MAYOR MILLER: YOU ARE IN GOOD COMPANY. PUBLIC SPEAKER: AT MY AGE IT'S OFTEN CONFUSING. JUST A COUPLE OF SECONDS AGO MY WIFE AND I -- ONE OF THE REASONS WE CHOSE TO MOVE TO THIS COMMUNITY AFTER JUST ONE VISIT TO THE ISLAND WE MADE A DECISION TO BUILD A HOUSE HERE. WE'VE NEVER BEEN HERE BEFORE. ONE OF THE THINGS WAS ITS ACCESSIBILITY TO BIKE PATHS AND HIKE AND THE WIDTH OF THE BEACH AND WHAT A GREAT BEACH IT WAS. SO, I'M SPEAKING -- I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE [INAUDIBLE] TO SEE WHEN THE BIKE PATH WAS BUILT AND TO THE FACT THAT MY WIFE AND I BOTH SUPPORT STRONGLY BUILDING THAT PARK OFF OF SIMMONS ROAD FOR THE CITY TO DO.

THAT'S ALL WE REALLY WANT TO SAY. WE ARE REALLY ENCOURAGED BY THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING DONE HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND WE THINK THAT WOULD BE AN ASSET, THAT PARK. I'M NOT SURE IF IT NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED OR NOT BUT I THINK THE IDEA OF HAVING A PARK AND A WAY TO WALK AROUND AND A PLACE FOR BATHROOMS THAT CLOSE TO THE BEACH SHOULD BE ACCESSIBLE. AT MY AGE, IF YOU ARE NEAR SADLER ROAD AND SIMMONS ROAD AND YOU GO TO THE BEACH THERE, IT'S SOMETIMES QUAINT A JAUNT TO FIND A RESTROOM. AND I MIGHT FIND THEM OFTEN. ANYWAY THAT'S A SIDE NOTE. BUT WE DO SUPPORT THE IDEA OF THE PARK AND JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU. AND WELCOME TO THE COMMUNITY. HOPE TO SEE YOU AT ANOTHER MEETING.

NEXT SPEAKER IS MISS DEBBIE -- I CAN'T MAKE OUT THE LAST NAME.

WELCOME, MA'AM. PUBLIC SPEAKER: DEBBIE WHIFFEN 108 OCEAN RIDGE DRIVE. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PARK AS WELL.

MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE OFF SIMMONS ROAD AND WE SUPPORT A PASSIVE PARK IF ANY IN THAT WOODS THAT'S ALREADY OWNED BY THE CITY. WE STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE VOTED FOR THE CITY TO BUY MORE CONSERVATION LAND WHEN THEY HAVE A BEAUTIFUL PARCEL RIGHT THERE ALREADY. WE DON'T WANT IT BUILT INTO A FULL PARK. WE DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR THAT SPOT. WE WANT YOU TO KEEP IT EITHER ASSIST OR PASSIVE. -- AS IS OR PASSIVE. TAKE THE GREAT PARK THAT YOU PLANNED OR IS BEING PRESENTED TO YOU AND MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. THIS IS NOT A GOOD SPOT FOR THIS PARK. PLEASE KEEP IT PASSIVE OR WOODED.

THANK YOU. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU.

MR. JACK EMBER. PUBLIC SPEAKER: JACK EMBER 1003 [INAUDIBLE] STREET, FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. I WANTED TO THANK THE CITY COMMISSION FOR MOVING AHEAD ON CONSERVATION LAND. BUT ALSO WANTED TO THANK THE PEOPLE OF FERNANDINA IN HELPING TO MAINTAIN CONSERVATION LAND IN PERPETUITY AND TO REMIND US THAT THE ONLY THING THAT KEEPS IT THERE IS VIGILANCE.

THAT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONSERVATION LAND AND PERPETUITY AND DEVELOPMENT IS A HANDSHAKE FOLLOWED BY A REFEREN DUMB FOLLOWED BY A VOTE, MANY TIMES FOLLOWED BY A LAWSUIT. AND IN THE END, EVERYBODY LOSES. BECAUSE WE END UP PAYING FOR THE PROPERTY TWICE AND STILL LOSING IT. SO, ALL I WANT TO DO IS ENCOURAGE VIGILANCE AND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE STARTED ORGANIZING TO NOT GIVE UP AND TO STAY WITH IT AND KEEP ACTIVE IN CITY GOVERNMENT. BECAUSE GOVE GOVERNMENTS OUR GOVERNMENT REALLY. THANK YOU.

MAYOR MILLER: MR. CASEY JONES. WELCOME, SIR.

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13150 MOSSY TRAIL. MY GROUP IS CALLED FLORIDA SEA TURTLE WATCH.

AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP TO YOU ALL, I LEFT THESE PAPERS IN FRONT OF YOU ALL WITH MY BUSINESS CARD SO YOU CAN CALL ME AT ANY TIME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND IF YOU TURN TO THE SECOND PAGE ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN IT SAYS NASSAU COUNTY FERNANDINA BEACH. WHAT THIS IS IS THIS IS HOW YOUR SEA TURTLE LIGHTING ORDINANCE WAS GRADED. YOU ALL HAVE THE SECOND WORST LIGHTING ORDINANCE IN NORTH FLORIDA AND CENTRAL FLORIDA. SO THE FIRST GROUP YOU SCORED A 31, WHICH IS ACTUALLY NOT BAD OUT OF A POSSIBLE 50. SO THAT'S NOT TOO BAD. IT COULD ALWAYS IMPROVE. AND THEN THE SECOND GROUP WAS GRADED ON COMPLIANCE AND EDUCATION. YOU ONLY SCORED A 3. SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD -- I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO UPDATE YOUR LIGHTING ORDINANCE TO FWC GUIDELINES AND LET'S CHANGE THAT. YOU KNOW, I WAS INTERVIEWED BY YOU ALL'S PAPER ABOUT A WEEK-AND-A-HALF AGO. IT WAS A REALLY GOOD ARTICLE. I GUESS YOU COULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT. THEY ALSO INTERVIEWED YOUR DIRECTOR OF CODE ENFORCEMENT AND I HAVE A DIRECT QUOTE OUT OF THE NEWSPAPER THAT SHE TOLD THEM -- SHE SAYS, I THINK THEY NEED TO BE STRICTER.

THE CODE ENFORCEMENT NEEDS MORE TEETH TO ENFORCE VIOLATIONS.

THAT'S NOT ME SAYING IT. THAT'S YOUR OWN PEOPLE SAYING IT. SO, IF WE COULD SOMEHOW GET THAT DONE BEFORE NEXT SEA TURTLE SEASON WOULD BE MY GOAL. I DON'T WANT YOU ALL TO BE THE SECOND WORST LIGHTING ORDINANCE IN NORTH FLORIDA AND CENTRAL FLORIDA. I WANT YOU ALL TO HAVE THE BEST LIGHTING ORDINANCE IN THE STATE. SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL HEARING ME OUT. AND LET'S TRY TO GET THIS DONE BEFORE MAY 1ST NEXT YEAR.

MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COMMISSIONER: I DO. WHO DOES THE SCORINGS? PUBLIC SPEAKER: THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA LAW DEPARTMENT DID IT IN 2014. AND THEY ACTUALLY INTERVIEWED MICHELLE, WHICH IS THE DIRECTOR OF CODE ENFORCEMENT. THEY CAME TO HER AND WENT OVER THE LIGHTING ORDINANCE IN 2014.

COMMISSIONER: SO THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE ITSELF? PUBLIC SPEAKER: YES, SIR. THE FIRST GROUP YOU ALL SCORED A 31 OUT OF A POSSIBLE 50 WAS THE LIGHTING ORDINANCE. I TALKED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. I GAVE HER THE LIGHTING ORDINANCE FOR NEPTUNE BEACH. IF YOU TURN TO THE FIRST PAGE, AT THE VERY TOP THEY HAVE ONE OF THE TOP 10 LIGHTING ORDINANCES. IF YOU LOOK, YOU ALL'S LIGHTING ORDINANCE SCORED HIGHER THAN NEPTUNE BEACH'S. BUT LOOK OVER WHERE THE COMPLIANCE IS AND THAT INDICATES A 39 AND YOU SCORED A 33.

COMMISSIONER: CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH HOW THEY SCORE THE IMPLEMENTATION? PUBLIC SPEAKER: THE BREAKDOWN ON THERE IS IN THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE. I CAN ALSO SEND YOU A LINK ON YOUR E-MAIL TOMORROW OF HOW THEY BREAK IT DOWN. BECAUSE I COULD STAND HERE FOR 10 MINUTES AND YOU MIGHT ONLY UNDERSTAND HALF OF IT. OR I COULD ONLY EXPLAIN HALF OF IT.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL LISTENING TO ME.

MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR KREGER: DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? BASICALLY I'VE RESPONDED TO MR. JONES AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH OUR ORDINANCE IS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD AS YOU KNOW. IT'S BETTER THAN MOST. ENFORCEMENT IS A LITTLE SUBJECTIVE. BUT IN EITHER CASE, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE BEACH CONSERVATION PLAN WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT PLAN [INAUDIBLE] OF WHICH WILL ADDRESS BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. AND THE COUNTY HAD A 20. AND THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED. IT'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER TERM. AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED LIGHTING BEFORE. SO, LIGHTING IS A MAJOR DISORIENTATION ISSUE AND IT'S BEING LOOKED AT. AND, YOU KNOW, SEA TURTLE WATCH PEOPLE DOCUMENT ALL THESE ORIENTATIONS. WE ALSO IMPLEMENT FLORIDA PUBLIC UTILITIES ALL THEIR LIGHTING IN THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE ARE VERY SPECIFIC AND FLORIDA PUBLIC

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PUBLIC SPEAKER: ABSOLUTELY. JUST ONE MORE THING I WANT TO TOUCH ON. I KNOW MY TIME'S UP, BUT WHEN YOU DO A BEACH RESTORATION YOU ARE RAISING THE BEACH UP. THE HIGHER THE BEACH, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHER YOU CAN SEE THE LIGHT POLLUTION. SO, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. YOU KNOW, WE HAD SEVERAL DISORIENTATIONS THIS YEAR. AND I'M SURE THAT YOU COULD CHALK THAT UP AS THE BEACH BEING 10 FEET HIGHER THAN WHAT IT WAS BEFORE THE BEACH RESTORATION. MAYOR MILLER: YOU GAVE YOUR ADDRESS. IS THAT -- PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M FROM JACKSONVILLE. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR I APPRECIATE IT. VICE MAYOR KREGER I'M GOING TO DEFER TO YOU. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY WE ARE.

DO YOU SEE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. WHEN YOU SAID DISORIENTATIONS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HERE OR THERE? VIC VICE MAYOR KREGER: THE DISORIENTATION WE HAD WERE IN THE COUNTY BY THE RITZ AND IT WAS A LIGHTING ISSUE. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DISORIENTATIONS ON THE NORTH END AT ALL.

DISORIENTATIONS HERE TEND TO BE CORAL SANDS AREA. BUT THERE WERE NOT SIGNIFICANT THIS YEAR. MAIN BEACH IS ALSO ANOTHER PROBLEM. TRAFFIC LIGHTS. BUT IT USED TO BE -- THEY USE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT PUT PUTT. BUT PUTT-PUTT IS ZERO FOR CANDLES ON THE BEACH. AS YOU REMEMBER, WE DID TRY TO PASS A MORE STRINGENT BEACH ORDINANCE THAT MEASURED FOOT CANDLES AND IT FAILED 3-2.

BUT I THINK, LIKE I SAID, THE BEACH HABITAT CONSERVATION PLAN IS GOING TO ADDRESS IN DETAIL THE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS WHICH WILL BE LIGHTING AND HOW IT'S MITIGATED AND HOW IT'S ENFORCED. I QUESTION THAT NUMBER 3. I MEAN, JUST YESTERDAY PHIL AND I WERE DOWN TALKING ABOUT BEACH LIGHTING AND BALLOONS. I DO A LOT OF BEACH LIGHTING EDUCATION SO THERE IS AN OUTREACH. MAYOR MILLER: IN TERMS OF YOU SAID NO -- WHAT DID YOU SAY THE TERM IS? VICE MAYOR KREGER: DISORIENTATION.

MAYOR MILLER: ARE THERE MORE NESTS NOW THAN BEFORE? VICE MAYOR KREGER: WE JUST FINISHED A RECORD YEAR 100 ABOVE THE HIGHER EVER. MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS? COMMISSIONER ROSS: YOU JUST BROUGHT UP SEVERAL YEARS AGO THERE WAS A MORE STRINGENT ORDINANCE BROUGHT UP. SHOULD WE BE BRINGING THAT UP AGAIN WHICH IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO BRING UP LATER. VICE MAYOR KREGER: I WOULD INCLUDE IT IN THE BEACH CONSERVATION PLAN.

COMMISSIONER: KREGER WHY DO WE NEED TO WAIT? VICE MAYOR KREGER: WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT ORDINANCE NOW AT 31 IF YOU LOOK AT THE REST. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DISORIENTATIONS.

IF IT'S AN ISSUE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, IT'S ENFORCE THE CURRENT ONE. THEY ONLY DRIVE THE BEACH TWICE A YEAR IN 6 MONTHS. THAT'S ALL CODE ENFORCEMENT PHYSICALLY GOES ON THE BEACH AND DRIVES IT AND VISUALLY LOOKS. THEN THEY WRITE THE NUMBERS DOWN. THE ADDRESS. THEN THEY GO BACK AND GIVE THEM WARNINGS. IF WE WANT TO HAVE EFFECTIVE AND ELIMINATE DISORIENTATIONS IT'S ENFORCING THE EXISTING ONE. AND I -- I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THE OTHER ONE. IT THE SAME ORDINANCE. I LIKED THE OTHER ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT MEASURED FOOT CANDLES. IT WAS NOT SUBJECTIVE. IT SAID WHAT'S THE FOOT CANDLES. BUT I WOULDN'T DO IT NOW. I WOULD PUT IT ALL IN MITIGATION BECAUSE THAT'S ENFORCEMENT.

MAYOR MILLER: I REMEMBER THAT AS WELL. I WAS WONDERING THE SAME THING. THAT'S PROBABLY THE WAY TO GO. YOU WOULD -- VICE MAYOR KREGER: WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING CLOSE AT ALL THAT.

MAYOR MILLER: CODE ENFORCEMENT IS LIKE ANYTHING ELSE. MOST OF OUR VIOLATIONS ARE DUE TO COMPLAINTS BY CITIZENS. I GET EMAILS ALL THE TIME OF PICTURES OF LIGHTS AND WE SEND PEOPLE OVER THERE. ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS SUSPICIOUS TO NOTIFY THE CITY AND WE'LL GET SOMEBODY OVER THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. COMMISSIONER ROSS: WE'RE AGAINST DRIVING ON THE BEACH, PARTICULARLY DRIVING ON THE BEACH AT NIGHT. SO, WHY IS CODE ENFORCEMENT DRIVING A CAR DOWN THE BEACH AS OPPOSED TO WALKING OR TAKING A BICYCLE? VICE MAYOR KREGER: LET ME CLARIFY SOMETHING HERE NOW.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WIND UP DOING [INAUDIBLE] A PERMIT WHICH IS THE RESULT OF THE PLAIN. WHAT THAT SAYS IS YOU CAN

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BUT THEY WILL BE. BEST BEACH DRIVING PRACTICES BY THE FLORIDA FISH AND WILDLIFE ALONG WITH OUR MANDATORY RESOLUTION IN 2012 THAT WE DIRECTED ALL CITY EMPLOYEES TO DO, SAYS IT WILL COMPLY WITH THAT. YOU WILL HAVE THE RIGHT PSI. IF YOU ARE DRIVING A HIGHER BEACH SAND YOU WILL HAVE RED LIGHTS, LONG WAVELENGTH. SO THAT'S WHY THEY CAN DRIVE ON THE BEACH. DO THEY DO THOSE THINGS? NO. IT'SEN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. IT IS A COMPLIANT ISSUE. IT'S NOT THE CODES ARE BAD. IT'S NOT THAT THE POLICIES ARE BAD. IT'S NOT THAT THE RESOLUTION IS BAD.

IT'S THAT WE DON'T ENFORCE WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. NOT JUST WITH THIS. MAYOR MILLER: I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER IT'S ALSO THE ANIMAL HAS TO CHANGE ITS PATH. IT'S 3409 JUST KILLING IT AND PICKING IT UP AND TAKING IT.

VICE MAYOR KREGER: CORRECT. THE KEYWORD IS HARASSMENT. IF YOU LOOK FURTHER, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUSTIFY IT ALL. IT'S AFFECTING NESTING BEACHES IN THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE REST OF FLORIDA HAS DONE, THE WHOLE EAST COAST. ST. JOHNS IN 2003, I THINK, VOLUSIA, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS DONE IT. AND WE'RE FINALLY DOING THE RIGHT THING. THAT'S MY COMMENTS. MAYOR MILLER: YOU ARE SHAVING TIME FEV THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU SIR. YOU ARE BACK ON. ON TO SECTION 6. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK BEFORE I MOVE ON? ON TO SECTION 6. CONSENT AGENDA. DO I HAVE A MOTION DOES ANYONE HAVE

[Consent Agenda]

COMMISSIONER: MAKE A MOTION. COMMISSIONER: SECOND.

MAYOR MILLER: MADAM CLERK IF WE COULD CALL THE VOTE PLEASE.

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COMMISSIONER: I AM GOING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

COMMISSIONER: I'LL SECOND IT. MAYOR MILLER: A MOTION TO SECOND. AND COMMISSIONER ROSS YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: I MET WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE AND SITTING HERE AND WENT OVER THE PROPOSED PLAN. AND THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS PROJECT WITH OR WITHOUT SEWER. AND A NUMBER OF TREES IN A VERY VISIBLE PLACE WILL BE CUT DOWN. BUT THE STORE OPTION, WHICH TAKES US AGREEING TO ANNEXATION, PRESERVES A FAR GREATER AMOUNT OF TREES THAN WOULD BE THE SEPTIC OPTION.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. AND PREOFS A FAIR NUMBER OF TREES.

SO IT WILL BE VOTING FOR THIS. BUT IN ADDITION TO THIS, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER. THERE CURRENTLY IS NO LIST OF ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED ANNEXATION PETITION OVER THE YEARS. SO WE KEEP GRANTING THESE PETITIONS, BUT WE DON'T KEEP TRACK, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE ASKING AROUND, OF WHAT WE'RE ANNEXING. SO WE DON'T KNOW. AND IT CAN BE THE NEXT UNDER CERTAIN FLORIDA LAW IF THEY BECOME CONTIGUOUS AND SO ON. BUT WE HAVE NO IDEA. SO I WOULD ASK THE CITY MANAGER LOOK INTO PRODUCING THAT LIST SO WE KNOW WHAT'S BEEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. AND FIND OUT IF ANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES ACTUALLY MEET THE CRITERIA FOR ANNEXATION BY A DATE CERTAIN IN THE NOT-TOO-DISTANT FUTURE. WE KEEP ANNEXING PROPERTIES BUT WE NEVER CHECK TO SEE IF THEY REALLY BRING THEM IN. WHICH WOULD HELP OUR TAX SITUATION AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT LATER. THAT THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY

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BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN THEY SAYING WHEN THEY BECOME CONTIGUOUS THEY'LL ANNEX IN. THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN.

MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS? COMMISSIONER ROSS: BUT NO ONE CHECKS TO SEE IF THEY'RE CONTIGUOUS. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS IF WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

MAYOR MILLER: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. MADAM CLERK

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE >> VICE MAYOR KREGER

>> YES.

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AND THE BUT COMES DOWN TO TREES. I WENT OUT TO THE SITE AND AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THIS IS THE BALL FIELDS DOWN HERE. HERE'S THE AIRPORT. THERE'S THE HANGAR -- THE AIRPLANE BUILDING. AND THIS IS WHERE -- THIS IS THE CURRENT WELL STATION. AND WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THE SOLAR ARRAY IS RIGHT IN HERE. AND RIGHT ALONG HERE, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PICTURE, AND THAT'S THE FIELD LOOKING FROM HERE. THAT'S THE CITY BUILDING AND THAT IS THE MULCH LOT WE JUST SAW FROM BEHIND. YOU NOTICE THIS TREE RIGHT HERE.

YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE. THERE ARE FIVE TREES HERE THAT WERE PLANTED. THESE ARE ALL LIVE OAKS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE CUT DOWN. AND THE NEXT ONE IS THIS OAK WHICH IS I BELIEVE A 32 INCH OAK THAT WILL ALSO NEED TO BE CUT DOWN. NOW, WHAT THE MANAGER OF THE UTILITY FUND IS PROPOSING IS TO PLANT A NUMBER OF TREES ALONG HERE AND A NUMBER OF TREES AT ANOTHER SITE THAT WOULD IN 10, 15, 20 YEARS REPLACE THAT CANOPY. AND MY CONCERNS ARE THAT WE'VE, CONCERNING TREES, THAT THE ESTIMATED CANOPY IN 2007 WAS 37%. AND THE POLICY NUMBER 5.1103 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS THE CITY SHALL SEEK TO INCREASE ITS EXISTING TREE CANOPY AND THE TOTAL COVERAGE SHALL NOT FALL BELOW 37% AS ESTABLISHED IN THE 2009 STREET MANAGEMENT PLAN.

SO, IN 2008 IT WAS -- THE CANOPY WAS 37%. THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT BUT UNKNOWN AMOUNT OF TREES THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED SINCE 2008. I'VE ASKED REPEATEDLY FOR THE DATA ON THAT AND IT'S NOT BEEN PROVIDED. THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT'S BEEN REPLANTED IS AGAIN UNKNOWN. AND UNLIKELY TO BE SIGNIFICANT. AND CURRENTLY THE TREE CANOPY IS UNKNOWN BUT PROBABLY LESS THAN THE 37%. AND CURRENTLY, WHICH I HAVE TROUBLES WITH, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC FIVE-YEAR PLAN TO REPLACE THE TREE CANOPY. SO I WILL VOTE FOR THIS PLAN BECAUSE THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT IS PROVIDING SIGNIFICANT ENERGY SAVING AND REPLACING THE CANOPY.

BUT I WOULD ASK A COUPLE OF THINGS. NUMBER ONE. TO MAKE SURE THOSE TREES ARE REPLANTED AS THEY ARE PROMISED. AND, NUMBER TWO. TO OBTAIN AN ESTIMATE IF -- IF YOU CAN GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES, DALE. ONE MORE. GO FORWARD. THOSE TREES -- THIS TREE CANNOT BE MOVED. BUT IF WE COULD GET EST ESTIMATES WHAT IT WOULD COST TO MOVE THESE TREES AND WHETHER THAT MAKES SENSE TO MOVE THEM AT ALL. AT LEAST TWO ESTIMATES FROM A NURSERY. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. MAYOR MILLER: THANKS.

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COMMISSIONER: I'LL SECOND IT. MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. VOICE MAYOR MILLER: THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR A LOT OF RENAL VP REASONS. ONE OF THE REASONS IS OUR COMP PLAN REQUIRES US TO USE RENEWABLE ENERGY WHICH IS KIND OF AN INTERESTING THING. BECAUSE HERE WE HAVE AN ISSUE OF COMP PLAN SAYING ONE THING A CONTRADICTION. WHICH IS VERY COMMON, NOT UNUSUAL AT ALL.

THIS IS REALLY VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY BECAUSE THIS WILL ASSIST THE AIRPORT IN GETTING OFF THE GRID. THE AIRPORT IS NOT A HURRICANE SHELTER BUT IT IS BASICALLY A RECOVER. CENTER TO A DISASTER. SO IF BACK IN 24 HOURS TO GET THE POWER UN-RUN, THIS WAS THE POWER AND ULTIMATELY WILL HAVE BATTERY POWER. SO I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD PROJECT. CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY.

MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH:. THANK YOU. JOHN COULD YOU ANSWER A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR ME AND DALE COULD YOU PUT THE OVERHEAD THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS HAD OF THE SITE. IS THERE -- SO MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT VERY LARGE OAK. THE 32 INCH OAK. AND HONESTLY WHEN I GOT YOUR EMAIL ABOUT THE TREES, LITTLE ALARMS WENT OFF. BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR INITIATIVES IS TO INCREASE TREE CANOPY NOT DE-CREASE TREE CANOPY. SO MY QUESTION IS: CAN THE SOLAR FIELD BE RECONFIGURED? CAN IT BE MADE SMALLER? CAN WE MITIGATE TREE LOSS SOMEHOW? SPEAKER: JOHN, UTILITIES DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY. THE LARGE OAK WHICH OUT OF THE 6 TREES, IT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT THE CITY DIDN'T PLANT. THE OTHER FIVE TREES WERE PLANTED I THINK ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO. SO, YOU CAN SEE IN 10 YEARS TIME HOW LARGE AN OAK CAN GROW AND REPLACE CANOPY. IT'S QUITE SIGNIFICANT. THE 32 INCH OAK, WHICH IS QUITE LARGE ON THE CORNER, UNFORTUNATELY, SOLAR AND TREES ARE -- THEY DON'T MIX.

THEY DON'T PLAY WELL TOGETHER. YOU GET A SHADING AFFECT TO THE TREE AND THAT LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY YOU ARE GOING TO GET OFF OF THAT PANEL. AND IF YOU KIND OF DRAW A LINE BASED ON THE ARC OF THE SUN AND IMAGINE THE SUN COMING EAST TO WEST, THAT TALL TREE FOR THE MORNING HOURS, YOU ARE LOSING PROBABLY, IF YOU TAKE ABOUT 150 FEET AWAY FROM THE TREE, YOU ARE GOING TO BE LOSING ABOUT THREE HOURS WORTH OF ENERGY GENERATION.

COMMISSIONER: CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE THE LARGE OAK IS.

SPEAKER: RIGHT THERE IN THE CORNER. RIGHT THERE.

COMMISSIONER: AND HOW IS THE SOLAR RAY GOING TO GO, JOHN? SPEAKER: THE SOLAR RAY IS RIGHT ADJACENT TO THIS LINE GOING THAT WAY 220 FEET ROUGHLY. COMMISSIONER: ALL THE WAY TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY? SPEAKER: TO ABOUT THE MIDDLE.

IF YOU LOOK AT RIGHT ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THAT MULCH SITE, THE MULCH SITE IS ABOUT 400 FEET WIDE.

COMMISSIONER: WHY ISN'T IT GOING FURTHER WEST? SPEAKER: OUR POWER COM CONSUMPTION IS COMING OUT OF THE WATER PLANT BUILDING. THE FURTHER WE PUT THE SOLAR AWAY FROM IT -- THERE'S TWO THINGS. ONE, AND NATE CAN TALK ABOUT THE LAND USE FOR THE AIRPORT. BECAUSE WE HAD A MEETING WITH COMMISSIONER ROSS AND TALKED ABOUT LAND USE AND HOW THEY WANT IT LAID OUT AT THEIR FACILITY. FOR US, THE FURTHER WE GET AWAY FROM WHERE THE POWER IS GOING TO BE USED AT, YOU ARE LOSING ENERGY. COMMISSIONER: TRANSMISSION LOSS.

I GOT IT. SPEAKER: RIGHT. THE CLOSER YOU CAN GET IT TO WHERE THE LOAD IS THE BENEFICIAL IT IS FOR US.

CONSEQUENTLY WE'RE PUTTING IT ADJACENT TO OUR SITE. SO, THEN WE CAN ALSO FENCE IN THE ENTIRE SITE. SO, YOU DON'T HAVE A LITTLE POD WAY OVER HERE. A TENSION AROUND A POD OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE AND THE POWER PLANT HERE. WE'RE PUTTING IT TOGETHER. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: BUT THEORETICALLY YOU COULD PUT IT WEST? SPEAKER: OH YEAH. YOU KNOW, BUT YOU ARE ALSO PART OF THE POWER GENERATED IN FRONT OF THE RAY WE'RE ALSO RUNNING A 600 FOOT LONG LINE TO GET IT DOWN HERE. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: WHAT'S THE TRANSMISSION LOSS? IF YOU WERE TO PUT IT TO THE WEST, HOW MUCH POWER WOULD YOU LOSE TRANSMITTING? SPEAKER: IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE SIDES OF THE CONDUCTOR YOU

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COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I UNDERSTAND. BUT MY CONCERN IS -- SPEAKER: UNDERSTAND MY POSITION AS AN ENGINEER. I DON'T LIKE THE WORD "CAN'T." IT DOESN'T REALLY EXIST IN MY VOCABULARY. SO, AS YOU TELL ME SOMETHING, I MEAN, YOU CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN. BUT DOES IT BECOME ECONOMICALLY NOT FEASIBLE OR HURTS THE ECONOMICS OF WHETHER YOU CAN DO SOMETHING OR NOT? YEAH THAT PLAYS INTO IT.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: HOW FAR -- TO SAVE THAT TREE, HOW FAR WEST WOULD THE SOLAR ARRAY HAVE TO GO? SPEAKER: I TOLD YOU IT WAS ABOUT 400 FOOT WIDE THE FIELD WAS RIGHT. SO, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HALF THE DISTANCE. SO, PUT THE ARRAY OUT AND HAVE MORE ON THE OTHER HALF. BUT YOU ALSO GOT TREES ON THAT SIDE. SO WE DON'T WANT SHADING THERE EITHER RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU GET SHADING ON THE LEFT U GET SHADING ON THE EAST. SO YOU ARE SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE PUTTING IT IN THE MIDDLE. BUT YOU ARE STILL GOING TO SUFFER A LITTLE BIT ON EITHER END. SO, KIND OF THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT IS WE NEED IT WHERE THERE'S NO TREES FOR ABOUT 150 FEET AROUND THE DANG THING.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I UNDERSTAND. WHAT KIND OF TREES ARE ON THE WEST PART? SPEAKER: THERE'S A MIX. SOME OF THEM ARE CHINA BERRY WHICH ISN'T A NATIVE TREE. SOME OF THEM ARE ALSO ANOTHER NON-NATIVE SPECIES. BUT SOME OF THEM ARE OAKS AND SOME MIX OF DIFFERENT ONES. NOTHING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HUNT AROUND YOU MIGHT FIND ANOTHER BIG OAK. THERE IS SOME SIGNIFICANT TREES OVER THERE ON THE FAR SIDE OF THAT SOFTBALL FIELD. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: SO THE ANSWER IS WE COULD MOVE IT TO THE WEST.

SPEAKER: SLIGHTLY. BUT ARE GOING TO GET DIMINISHED RETURNS.

BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO GET SHADING EFFECT. AND WHAT I PROPOSED IN THE PLAN WAS PLANNING 8 MAGNOLIAS THEN ALSO 6 MORE OAKS UPON ANOTHER SPOT WHICH IS GOING OVER WHAT YOU EVER REQUIRE A DEVELOPER TO DO. BECAUSE IT'S CITY PROPERTY.

IT'S JUST TIME IS WHAT -- I DON'T KNOW -- COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: THAT DID ANSWER MY QUESTION. THANK YOU.

SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT NATE TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE AIRPORT PROPERTY AND THE USAGE OF IT? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I AM ASSUMING THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE THIS SOLAR ARRAY CAN GO. SPEAKER: I'D LIKE NATE TO SPEAK TO THAT. UNLESS SOME ADJUSTMENT. IF YOU LOOK TO THE CORNER OF THE WATER PLANT AND THE TREE IN THAT ONE CORNER.

INITIALLY NATE WANTED US TO LEASE THAT. I WAS LIKE THERE'S A TON OF TREES THERE I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT THERE. SO WE MOVED IT 60 FEET TO THE SOUTH TO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT BACK CORNER. BUT HE WOULD HAVE LOVED FOR US TO JUST MAKE THAT PERFECT FROM A LAND USE STANDPOINT. I'LL SEGUE -- SPEAKER: NATE. FROM A LARGE PERSPECTIVE TREES WEREN'T A FACTOR. JOHN AND I RECOGNIZED BY PUSHING TO THE CORNER THERE WAS TREES THERE SO THAT'S WHY THE TOP END OF THE PARCEL WAS SHIFTED DOWN TO THE OPENING AREA. THE OTHER FACTOR IS THE WESTERN PORTION OF THAT PARCEL, WE'VE BEEN NEGOTIATING POTENTIAL OTHER USES. SPECIFICALLY ON THAT PARCEL WITH THE ARMY NATIONAL GUARD WHO HAS INTEREST IN MAYBE USING THAT FOR VEHICLE STORAGE OR SOMETHING TO THAT NATURE. SO, IF THERE'S AN INTEREST MOVING WEST I MIGHT ASK IF YOU CAN GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK TO THE GUARD AND MAYBE IDENTIFY THEIR PARAMETERS AS WELL AS TO WHAT THEY NEED.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: CAN I ASK A QUESTION. IF YOU MOVED IT WEST, COULD YOU -- COULD THE NATIONAL GUARD PUT THEIR VEHICLESES TO THE EAST? SPEAKER: THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO DETERMINE. I NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE ACCESS. RIGHT NOW WE LEFT SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR ACCESS SOUTH OF THE SOLAR RAY. BUT IF WE CHANGE IT WOULD BE GREAT IF I COULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND CHECK WITH THEM ON HOW IT WOULD IMPACT THEIR INTEREST IN USING IT. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU. MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. COMMISSIONER ROSS: HOW VIABLE IS IT TO MOVE THIS TO THE WEST? SPEAKER: I THINK FROM WHAT

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SPEAKER: WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING DIMINISH -- I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND CRUNCH THE NUMBERS. BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE DIMINISHING THE AMOUNT OF POWER YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GET OFF THE THING. WE'VE ALREADY MADE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, THE SOLAR IS OFFSETTING COSTS TO THE WATER SYSTEM. BUT AT SOME POINT YOU -- IF YOU KEEP ADD THINGS ON, IT'S GOING TO BECOME A NON-VIABLE PROJECT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE DID A SOLAR GLARE ANALYSIS BECAUSE IT'S ON THE FAA LAND. WE'RE HAVING TO LEASE THE LAND. WHICH MEANS WE'RE PAYING THE AIRPORT. SO THAT AFFECTS THE COST OF THE PROJECT. THE TREE MITIGATION IS SIGNIFICANT.

I MEAN, THERE'S MONEY THERE. TO TRY TO MOVE THE TREES TO PAY THAT $150,000 TO MOVE THEM, YOU WOULD KILL THE PROJECT. THAT WOULD BE THE END OF IT. SO I PERSONALLY WOULD RATHER NOT SEE THAT SITE MOVED TO THE WEST. IF I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD DECISION TO MAKE, I WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY PROPOSED THAT. BUT I REALLY DON'T SUPPORT, AS A STAFF PERSON, SUPPORT MOVING THAT.

AND I VALUE TREES JUST AS MUCH AS ANYBODY ELSE DOES. BUT I ALSO AM LOOKING AT MORE THAN JUST THAT ONE TREE. SO I WOULD REALLY, STRONGLY EXPRESS THAT WE DO NOT NEED TO TRY TO MOVE THAT THINK AND HAVE A SEPARATE SITE ON IT.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: WOULD YOU CONSIDER AMENDING YOUR MOTION TO ADD ON TO THAT THERE WOULD BE AT LEAST TWO ESTIMATES DONE OF WHAT IT WOULD REALLY COST TO MOVE THOSE TREES? I BET OTHER PEOPLE WILL SUGGEST IT'S FAR LESS. COMMISSIONER: NO I WON'T CONSIDER CHANGING THE MOTION. I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. IT WAS WELL PLANNED, WELL ENGINEERED, IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF THE CITY. SO I WON'T CHANGE MY MOTION.

COMMISSIONER ROSS:. CAN I FINISH PLEASE BEFORE YOU SAY NO.

COMMISSIONER: I JUST SAID NO. COMMISSIONER ROSS: BUT I HADN'T EVEN GOT OUT THE SECOND PART. CAN WE MAKE SURE AS PART OF THIS MOTION WE HAVE THE TREE MITIGATION THEY PROMISED AS PART OF THE MOTION? COMMISSIONER: I WILL CHANGE IT TO ADD THE TREE MITIGATION YES. NO AND YES.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO YOU HAD PREMATURE CLOSURE [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO, YOU WILL ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT? COMMISSIONER: RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO ENSURE THAT THE TREE MITIGATION PROGRAM AS PRESENTED IS COMPLETED. COMMISSIONER ROSS: AND THAT INCLUDES THE MAGNOLIAS AND THE LIVE OAKS.

COMMISSIONER: YEAH. IS MY SECOND, IS THAT GOOD FOR HIM? COMMISSIONER: YES. MAYOR MILLER: MADAM CLERK IF YOU WOULD CALL THE VOTE PLEASE.

MAYOR MAYOR MILLER: 7.3 A CHANGE ORDER

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MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER: RECOMMEND APPROVAL. MAYOR MILLER: I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. MADAM CLERK IF WE COULD PLEASE ALL THE VOTE

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COMMISSIONER: MOVE TO APPROVE MAYOR MILLER: I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

ITEM 7.5. THIS IS A SOLE SOURCE VENDOR APPROVAL FOR OLDCASTLE

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MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

VICE MAYOR KREGER: I HAVE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON SOLE SOURCE.

THIS IS REALLY NOT A SOLE SOURCE. THIS IS ACTUALLY AN

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MADAM CLERK CALL THE VOTE PLEASE MAYOR MILLER: ITEM 7.6. BUDGET AMENDMENTS. THIS IS VARIOUS

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MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER: RECOMMEND APPROVAL. COMMISSIONER: I'LL SECOND IT.

MAYOR MILLER: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MADAM CLERK PLEASE CALL THE VOTE ITEM 7.7. THIS IS A WARRANTY DEED APPROVAL FOR JOHN H.

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SPEAKER: THIS IS ACTUALLY THREE DEEDS FOR THREE PARCELS OF LAND TO BE PURCHASED BY THE CITY FOR CONSERVATIONIST. AND WE HAVE TWO WARANTY DEEDS AND A QUIT CLAIM DEED FROM THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH. THERE WAS A QUIET TITLE ACTION. ALL THREE PARCELS INCLUDING THE CHURCH PARCEL AND THAT WILL COVER US FOR THE QUIT CLAIM. COMMISSIONER: I RECOMMEND APPROVAL. COMMISSIONER: I'LL SECOND IT.

MAYOR MILLER: A MOTION AND A SECOND. MR. ROSS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHEN DO WE CLOSE AND WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM? SPEAKER: MR. MARK HUDSON IS HERE AND I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT CLOSING DATE OFF-HAND. HE MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER IT. I THINK MR. MARTIN CAN ANSWER ABOUT THE FINANCIAL. SPEAKER MO SPEAKER: MONEY IS COMING FROM THE CITY'S CONSERVATION FUND SPEAKER: AND FROM OUR FUNDRAISING EFFORTS IF. MARK HUDSON NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST. THE TARGET CLOSING DATE RIGHT NOW IS NOVEMBER 12TH WHICH ALL DUE DILIGENCE AND OTHER THINGS HAVE BEEN SETTLEMENT STATEMENTS HAVE BEEN AGREES UPON. SO I WAS TOLD THERE WOULD BE ABOUT A WEEK THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO GET THE CITY'S FUNDS ACTUALLY TO THE ESCROW ACCOUNT. SO, AS SOON AS THAT HAPPENS, WE'LL BE GOOD TO CLOSE. SO, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. I DO WANT -- WE'VE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT ONE THING ABOUT CONTINUITY OF THE CONSERVATION PERPETUALLY. AND ONE THING TO EXPLAIN ABOUT THE DEEDS IS THERE A DEED RESTRICTION THAT THE LAND TRUST WILL HOLD TO OUR ENFORCEMENT. THAT IF ANYTHING THE FUTURE CITY COMMISSIONS EVER TRY TO RE-DIRECT THE PROPERTY FOR NON-CONSERVATION PURPOSE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CLAW BACK OR TAKE THE PROPERTIES BACK FROM THE CITY. SO THAT IS ONE THING THAT JUST ANSWERS SOME QUESTIONS WE'VE BEEN GETTING FROM THE COMMUNITY. MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER? VICE MAYOR KREGER: SO THE $50,000 DONATION FROM THE FUND IS GOING TOWARDS THIS ALONG WITH YOUR MATCHING THE CITY 50 PERCENT? SPEAKER: YEAH ACTUALLY, THERE'S A CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, SOME CITIZENS FROM BOTH THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH AND THE ISLAND IN GENERAL WHO ARE GOING TO BOTH ARE GIVING SIGNIFICANT GIFTS AND ARE TRYING TO RAISE SIGNIFICANT GIFTS. A LOT OF THAT MONEY HAS BEEN RAISED FOR THESE PROJECTS. HOWEVER, THEY'RE LATE TO CATCH UP SEEING AS THEIR FIRST MEETING IS NEXT WEEK. SO, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO REFUND OURSELVES OUT OF THE FUTURE PROCEEDS. BECAUSE SOME OF THIS IS JUST COMING OUT OF THE LAND TRUST GENERAL OPERATING BUDGET AT THIS POINT. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU, SIR.

SPEAKER: YEP. MAYOR MILLER: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THIS RIGHT? MADAM CLERK CALL THE VOTE PLEASE

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SPEAKER: THEEA CITY HAS INCLUDE IN THE BUDGET LAST YEAR WHICH WE NEVER MADE USE OF AND THEN THIS YEAR IS A $10,000 SUBSIDY. A MATCH BY AN ADDITIONAL $10,000 SUBSIDY FROM THE CITY OF ST. MARS, GEORGIA FOR THE PURPOSE OF A WATER TAXI TO TRANSIT BETWEEN THE TWO COMMUNITIES. THE CITY

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COMMISSIONER ROSS YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS. IS THIS GOING TO BE BICYCLE FRIENDLY? IN OTHER WORDS, CAN YOU TAKE YOUR BIKE ON IT? SPEAKER: I BELIEVE THAT THE INTENT IS YES. MR. MCCARTHY OF AMELIA RIVER CRUISES IS HERE IF HE WANTS TO CLARIFY OR CONTRADICT.

SPEAKER: KEVIN MCCARTHY 2224 AVENUE FERNANDINA. WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? COMMISSIONER ROSS: BICYCLE FRIENDLY. SPEAKER: YES.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: THE COST OF A RIDE? SPEAKER: WE HAVEN'T ESTABLISHED THAT. WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR OF COURSE. TYPICALLY, OUR TOURS RUN AROUND $20 PER HOUR FOR THIS TYPE OF OPERATION. WE'LL PROBABLY BE AROUND THAT AREA.

IT IS A TWO-HOUR ROUNDTRIP HOWEVER. SO, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 15 AND $20. COMMISSIONER ROSS: MY THIRD QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE -- IT'S ON PAGE 536 OF THE PROPOSAL, I GUESS, OR THE CONTRACT. THERE'S A SCHEDULE OF TIMING. AND ONE OF THEM IS FOR THE BOTTOM ONE TO -- YOU WOULDN'T DO THE FIRST RUN EVERY DAY IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE 24 HOURS NOTICE AND SO ON. SO MY QUESTION IS: IF I WAS IN FERNANDINA BEACH AND I WANTED TO GO TO CUMBERLAND ISLAND, AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CUMBERLAND ISLAND, YOU ARE GOING TO ST. MARY SO I HAVE TO GET ON THE CUMBERLAND ISLAND FERRY. SO, WILL THE SECOND RUN MATCH UP WITH THE CUMBERLAND ISLAND FERRY SO I CAN -- NOT I, BUT A PASSENGER, COULD START IN FERNANDINA BEACH, TAKE THE FERRY TO ST. MARYS, AND THEN GET ON THE CUMBERLAND FERRY AND GO OUT TO CUMBERLAND ISLAND AND COME BACK. SPEAKER: THAT WOULD MATCH UP COMMISSIONER ROSS: EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE FIRST RUN IN THE MORNING. SPEAKER: MOST EVERYONE WHO GOES COUPLE BERLAND ISLAND WOULD HAVE TO HAVE RESERVATIONS DAYS IN ADVANCE TYPICALLY. SO, IF THEY WANT TO DO THE EARLY RUN, THAT WOULD BE AT 7:30 A.M. WE WOULD DEPART. IF THEY KNEW THEY HAD RESERVATIONS ON THE FERRY AND THEY CONTACTED US, WE WOULD MAKE THAT EARLY RUN FOR THEM. SO, YES. CATCH THE EARLY BOAT TO CUMBERLAND ISLAND OR THE MIDDAY BOAT.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: IF YOU CATCH THE MIDDAY BOAT DOES THAT GET YOU SO YOU CAN TAKE THE FERRY TO COUPLE BERLAND ISLAND? SPEAKER: YES. RETURN TRIPS WILL ALSO CORRESPOND. THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL BE AN ISSUE IS IN LATE WINTER OR WINTER-TIME AFTER DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME GOES AWAY. WE PREFER NOT TO TRAVEL IN THE DARK. SO, WE WOULD HAVE -- THEY WOULD HAVE TO RIDE THE EARLY FERRY BACK FROM COUPLE BERLAND TO ST. MARYS NOT THE LATER ONE.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE.

COMMISSIONER: I'LL SECOND IT. MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. VICE MAYOR KREGER: WHEN DO YOU START? SPEAKER: THAT'S THE QUESTION.

IN THE ADDENDUM THAT WE ASKED EARLIER WHEN WE SUBMITTED THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE FUEL FROM THE CITY OF FERNANDINA TO BEGIN OPERATING. AND WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER THE BID WE ASSUMED THAT THE FUEL WOULD BE AVAILABLE BY APRIL. THE STARTING DATE WAS CONSIDERED APRIL. IT LOOKS LIKE NOW THE FUEL WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE IN APRIL. I REALLY HAVEN'T GOT A CLEAR DATE YET WHEN THE FUEL WILL BECOME AVAILABLE. SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO OPERATE UNTIL WE HAD THE FUEL. I THINK THE COMMISSION COULD UNDERSTAND THAT. COMMISSIONER: DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT IS GOING TO BE? SPEAKER: IT WILL BE CLOSE TO APRIL. THAT'S THE TARGET. WE PUBLISHED THE DATE THAT THE SOUTH WOULD BE OPEN IN MARCH. SPEAKER: RIGHT.

SPEAKER: BUT WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO OUT FOR BIDS FOR THE NORTH. SO, BELIEVE ME WE'RE HOPING IT WILL BE OPEN FOR APRIL. SPEAKER: WE HAVE A BOAT AVAILABLE. WE'RE READY TO GO. BUT TO CHASE FUEL UP AND DOWN THE RIVER WOULD BE EXPENSIVE AND TIME CONSUMING AND DIFFICULT TO DO. AS SOON AS I HAVE FUEL, WE HAVE FUEL, WE'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT. COMMISSIONER: THIS WHOLE PROGRESS TO PIGGYBACK ON CHIP THIS IS ABOUT THE EAST COAST GREEN WAY. WHICH IS BICYCLE ISSUE.

SPEAKER: AND I'VE SPOKEN TO THE SUPERINTENDENT OF CUMBERLAND ISLAND. HE WAS EXCITED ABOUT THE PROPOSAL. THE OTHER ISSUE THOUGH IS THAT ST. MARYS HASN'T YET OFFERED ME AN EXACT SPOT TO TIE UP. COMMISSIONER: WHERE THE CUMBERLAND BOAT PARKS. SPEAKER: I HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT OF CUMBERLAND ISLAND AND IN MY

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BUT IT IS A POSSIBILITY WE COULD USE ST. MARYS' SLIP NEXT TO THE CUMBERLAND ISLAND FERRY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR. BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN COMMITTED YET EITHER. WE HAVE A FEW PIECES OF THE PUZZLE THAT HAVE TO WORK BEFORE WE CAN MAKE IT OPERATIONAL. SO THANK YOU. MAYOR MILLER: I GOT A COUPLE THINGS. THE 7:00, THAT CAME TO MY ATTENTION TODAY -- I THINK THE ORIGINAL BID -- WAS THAT INCLUDED OR WAS THAT A CHANGE? SPEAKER: A CHANGE. WE DID THAT TO CORRESPOND WITH THE EARLY DEPARTURE FROM ST. MARYS. MAYOR MILLER: MY CONCERN IS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ONES. I'M WORRIED SOME PEOPLE THAT COME AND DON'T PLAN ON CAMPING AND GOING OVER THERE THEY JUST WANT TO GO OVER FOR A DAY TRIP MIGHT NOT REALIZE THERE'S NOT A TRIP SCHEDULES. IF I GET MY KIDS UP AT 6:30 A.M. TO TAKE THEM TO CUMBERLAND ISLAND THEN I GET THERE. IT'S NOT REALLY THE HOTEL'S RESPONSIBILITY. WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE THEY DON'T MAKE RESERVATIONS FOR THE TOURS AND CALL THE HOTELS. I SEND A LOT OF PEOPLE DOWN THERE AND SAY GO TO THE KIOSK IT IS A WALK-UP.

THIS ISN'T A WALK-UP. IF YOU DON'T GET 10 PEOPLE. THAT'S ONE CONCERN THAT I HAVE. MY OTHER CONCERN IS THIS A PARTNER RELATIONSHIP WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR YEARS IN ST. MARYS.

THEY'RE NOT DOING GREAT IN TOURISM UP THERE. WE TALKED ABOUT ANOTHER TRIP THAT WENT FROM HERE TO CAMBIUM BERLAND AND THEY COMPLETELY SHOT THAT DOWN BECAUSE -- AND, YOU KNOW, DRIVING IN TO ST. MARYS HE ASKED ME WHAT ROUTE I TOOK TO GET THERE. HE SAID WHAT DID YOU SEE. I SAID I SAW A BUNCH OF EMPTY BUILDINGS. HE SAID THAT'S WHAT I AM DEALING WITH AS AN ELECTED OFFICIALS. I HAD THE MILLS THEY'RE GONE. I'VE GOT THE NAVY BASE BUT IT'S A NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE AND I'VE GOT CUMBERLAND ISLAND. I SAID I COMPLETE GET IT. WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM.

BUT THE OTHER THING THAT HE SAID DURING THAT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STEAMING ALONG LIKE IT'S THE QUEEN MARY AS FAR AS TOURISM AND VISITORS GO. AND HE DESCRIBED HIMSELF AS A DINGY WITH A HOLE IN IT. ANY ASSISTANCE WE CAN GIVE THEM.

IT'S ALSO VERY SYMBIONIC. BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE FROM ST. MARYS TO VISIT HERE AND DO SHOPPING AND GO BACK AND STAY IN THE HOTELS IN ST. MARYS. I ALSO HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COMMUTE THAT ACTUALLY ARE EMPLOYED. THAT DON'T WANT TO MAKE THAT DRIVE ALL THE WAY AROUND OR VICE VERSA AND ALL THE WAY UP. SO A SCHEDULED WATER TAXI OR FERRY THAT MEETS THAT -- LIKE THE FERRY THAT GOES BETWEEN HERE AND FROM THE SOUTH END OVER TO MAYPORT, IF THAT THING ONLY RAN WHEN IT HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE, IT'S NOT REALLY A VIABLE -- IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE PURPOSE OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO. MY CONCERN IS THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME OVER HERE ON THE EARLY MORNING FERRY AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH AND THEY'RE IN ST. MARYS -- SPEAKER: THE ONLY SCHEDULE WOULD BE THAT FIRST FERRY IN THE MORNING. WE'D STILL LEAVE LATER THOUGH. WE COULD LEAVE LATER, 8:00ISH, AND STILL BE IN ST. MARYS BY NINE.

MAYOR MILLER: ARE THE RUNS ON A SET TIME? SO, YOU STILL MEET THE FIRST FUN -- SPEAKER: THE ONLY ONE WE WON'T DO IS THAT EARLY MORNING FERRY AT 7:30 A.M. BECAUSE IF IT'S EMPTY -- MAYOR MILLER: HOW THAT IS BOAT GOING TO BE OVER THERE? SPEAKER: IT WILL LEAVE HERE AT 8:00. MAYOR MILLER: IT WILL STILL BE THERE. I GOT YOU. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO KNOW -- SPEAKER: THERE WILL BE A DEAD HEADED RUN EVERY DAY.

MAYOR MILLER: THEN WHY NOT JUST DO IT AT 7:00? SPEAKER: IT WILL BE AN EMPTY BOAT AT 7:00.

MAYOR MILLER: WHAT'S THE CALL AHEAD FOR 10 PEOPLE? SPEAKER: 24 HOURS. IF YOU ARE GOING TO CATCH THE FERRY WE'LL TAKE YOU AT 7:30 A.M. IF YOU HAVE A SIGHT ON THE FERRY TO CUMBERLAND ISLAND. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? SO, IF YOU GET ON THE BOAT AT 7:30 AND YOU GO TO ST. MARYS AND THERE ARE NO SPACES AVAILABLE, YOU DON'T GO TO CUMBERLAND ISLAND.

MAYOR MILLER: BUT YOU STILL GO AT 7 REGARDLESS? SPEAKER: WE'LL LEAVE HERE AT 8:00 TO BE IN ST. MARYS AT 9:00.

MAYOR MILLER: I GOT YOU. SPEAKER: WHY BOTHER RUSHING OVER THERE WITH AN EMPTY BOAT. MAYOR MILLER: AND IF YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE TRYING TO GO TO WORK THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE AT 7:00 CONSISTENTLY. THAT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER. I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY INCLUDE ST. MARYS GOVERNMENT WITH THAT CONVERSATION IF IT WAS A DEPARTURE DELAY. WE TRIED THIS BEFORE. I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

SPEAKER: WE'VE BEEN MEETING FOR TWO-AND-A-HALF YEARS.

MAYOR MILLER: IT WAS GREAT. AND I REMEMBER YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THE PITFALLS. ONE WAS THAT YOUR CAPTAIN WOULD GET OVER THERE AND END UP DOING CIRCLES BECAUSE HE COULDN'T FIND A PLACE TO PULL IN. I THINK WE MET WITH THEM. WE SAID WE WOULD HAVE A DEDICATED SPOT. IF YOU NEED TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND TALK TO THE MAYOR ONCE AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A KEY COMPONENT. I THINK

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IT'S GOOD FOR ST. MARYS. I HAVE PEOPLE THAT SAY WHAT SHOULD I DO WHILE I'M HERE. GO TO FORT CLEMENS. I SAY YOU SHOULD GO TO ST. MARYS. THEY GET THEIR PHONE OUT AND GO I AM NOT DRIVING THROUGH ALL THAT CONSTRUCTION. BUT IF THEY COULD GET ON ONE OF YOUR FERRIES AND HAVE ONE OF YOUR GUIDES GIVE THEM HISTORY GOING OVER THERE, HOME RUN. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO A GREAT THING. SPEAKER: AND WE WOULD HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL THE FIRST TIME. WE STARTED OFF PRETTY WELL. THE PROBLEM WAS THE GREAT RECESSION HAPPENED IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.

MAYOR MILLER: WE TALKED ABOUT THE FUEL COST.

SPEAKER: TIMES ARE DIFFERENT NOW.

MAYOR MILLER: WHEN I -- THE ONE SUBJECT THAT I BRING UP THAT I AM EXCITED ABOUT THIS IS ONE OF THE TOP ONES. I MENTION THE WORD WATER TAXI IN ST. MARYS AND PEOPLE LOVE THE IDEA.

COMPLETING THAT GREENWAY. THERE'S A BIKE TRAIL THAT GOES UP THE EAST COAST AND IT STOPS WHEN YOU GET TO ST. MARYS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GO ACROSS THE BLUE RIDGE ON BICYCLE. THIS FILLS THAT HOLE IN. SPEAKER: THAT'S WHAT STARTED US BACK 10 YEARS AGO. THE GREENWAY.

MAYOR MILLER: I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CAPTAIN. I'M EXCITED. I DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

COMMISSIONER: I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT. THE DISCUSSION OF PEOPLE GOING OVER TO CATCH THE CUMBERLAND FERRY. WHEN THEY GET ON YOUR BOAT YOU ARE GOING TO ASK THEM TO PASS THAT INFORMATION IF YOU DON'T HAVE TICKETS GUYS YOU CAN'T GET ON.

SPEAKER: OR I'LL HAVE THEM MAKE A PHONE CALL OR GO ON LINE ON THEIR PHONE AND BUY A TICKET. COMMISSIONER: YOU'LL ACTUALLY -- IT'S NOT LIKE YOU GET ON AND YOU'RE OVER THERE.

SPEAKER: AND GET STUCK THERE. MAYOR MILLER: THEY HAD THE REQUIREMENT IF YOU GO TO CUMBERLAND YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE ABOUT WHAT TO TOUCH AND NOT. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THEY COULD GET A PARKS MEMBER TO DO THAT ON THE BOAT AND CUT OUT THE WHOLE GOING TO THE BOATING.

SPEAKER: TICKETING IS DONE ONLINE AND THE PHONE. THEY MIGHT NOT WANT TO LEAVE THE DOCK UNTIL THEY HAVE A SITE ON THE BOAT. MAYOR MILLER: WHICH THIS HAPPENS AND PEOPLE ASK HOW DO I GET TO CUMBERLAND ISLAND I DON'T HAVE TO SAY YOU CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE ANYMORE. YOU CAN GET THERE FROM HERE NOW. WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT'S A NATIONAL PARK. IT'S NOT A GEORGIA STATE PARK. IT'S IN GEORGIA BUT WE'RE ALL PAYING FOR IT.

SPEAKER: AND THE FERRY 10 YEARS AGO WE DID CONNECT UP WITH THE FERRY TO CUMBERLAND. MAYOR MILLER: I LOOKED ONLINE AND TRIED TO FIND SOME OTHER PLACE WHERE YOU ONLY HAD ONE ENTRY AND ACCESS POINT TO A NATURAL PARK ON THE ISLAND AND I CAN'T FIND ONE. THERE'S ONE IN WASHINGTON STATE THAT HAS SEVERAL CHOICES TO GO THERE. I THINK THIS MAY BE THE ONLY NATIONAL PARK THAT WE HAVE THAT YOU CAN ONLY GO OUT OF ONE PLACE TO GET THERE. SPEAKER: ST. MARYS OF COURSE IS A TINY LITTLE TOURIST DESTINATION. MY ARGUMENT WITH THEM HAS ALWAYS BEEN IF FERNANDINA EVER DID HAVE ACCESS THE MARKETING DOLLARS ON AMELIA ISLAND WOULD RAISE THE AWARENESS OF CUMBERLAND ISLAND IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY WOULDN'T LOSE ANY BUSINESS WHATSOEVER IN MY OPINION. AND WOULD GAIN THE ACCESS TO THE ISLAND DIRECTLY. MAYOR MILLER: YEP.

SPEAKER: TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T THINK IT IS A MATTER OF IF, I THINK IT IS A MATTER OF WHEN AMELIA ISLAND HAS ACCESS TO CUMBERLAND ISLAND. AT SOME POINT. IT HAS TO HAPPEN.

MAYOR MILLER: I AGREE. AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT TOO MANY PEOPLE GOING OVER THERE. IT'S AN AWFULLY BIG ISLAND. I DON'T THINK IT'S A COINCIDENCE THAT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLOWED OVER THERE ARE THE SAME AMOUNT OF SEATS THAT THERE ARE ON THE FERRY.

SPEAKER: THAT WAS THE SCIENCE BEHIND THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT.

MAYOR MILLER: OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. SO, LET'S CALL THIS HISTORIC VOTE MAYOR MILLER: LET'S GO AHEAD AND RECESS FOR -- IS FIVE ENOUGH? WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM. THIS IS A GRANT AGREEMENT FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.

BUDGET AMENDMENT CAPITAL EXPANSION FUND.

SPEAKER: THE CITY APPLIED ORIGINALLY FOR 10,000 GRANT WITH NO MATCH AND EVENTUALLY THE STATE SWEETENED THE POT. IT IS NOW A $75,000 GRANT WITH NO MATCH FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BEACH WALKOVER AT BEACH ACCESS POINT FIVE. IN THE AMOUNT OF $75,000. THIS WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET SO WE WISH TO ADD THIS ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO THE BUDGET. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU SIR.

COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: I AM GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE THIS. BUT I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS. SO MY THREE QUESTIONS. I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW 5N WAS PICKED. I KNOW IT WAS FOR A GRANT AND SO

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IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. >> I CAN DO THE GRANT

APPLICATION AND SEE-- >> I CAN ANSWER THEM IF YOU'D LIKE. MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. COMMISSIONER: KREGER THE ORIGINAL GRANT WAS $10,000. FOR WRECKING DECKING 10 SOUTH. THE STATE SAID YOU COULD HAVE 25 WITH NO MATCH. SO WE LEFT IT THE SAME. THEN THEY CAME BACK AND SAID YOU CAN HAVE 75,000.

SO, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, I HAVE ALL THE DISTANCES OF ALL THE WALK-THROUGHS. SO I LOOKED AT THE WALK-THROUGHS AND BACK IN TO WHAT WAS INVESTED AT THE $758 PER LINEAL FOOT PROVIDED BY OUR ENGINEER. IT WAS A 10 PERCENT CONTINGENCY FOR 6 FOOT RECYCLABLE WOOD WALKOVER. AND THAT'S WHY THAT ONE WENT IN. IT WAS THE ONE THAT BEST FIT THE MONEY THAT WAS AVAILABLE. SO, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALMOST ALL THE PACOVERS, OF THE 13, THEY'RE ALMOST ALL BETWEEN ATLANTIC AND SADLER. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE BID NUMBERS LATER. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHILE IT'S REALLY NOT A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE IT IS A NEW WALK OVER. SO IT SHOULD COME OVER AND COME OVER BASICALLY I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE'LL USE IMPACT FUNDS. COMMISSIONER ROSS: MY THIRD QUESTION ABOUT RAMPS? VICE MAYOR KREGER: I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE ACTUAL SPECIFICATIONS. I THINK THEY WERE SIGNED OFF YESTERDAY. BUT THIS IS MOSTLY A FLAT AREA. SO IT STARTS OUT AT GROUND LEVEL. WHEN YOU GO OVER THE FOUR DUNES THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE DESIGN. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ADA THOUGH. COMMISSIONER ROSS: I UNDERSTAND.

THANK YOU. MAYOR MILLER: ARE YOU GOOD? OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IF YOU CAN CALL THE VOTE PLEASE YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. SECTION 8 ORDINANCES FRS

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COMMISSIONER ROSS YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO IT TURNS OUT THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH IS ONE-AND-A-HALF PERCENT OF THE LAND, 15% OF THE POPULATION OF THE NASSAU COUNTY. AND IT TURNS OUT THAT WE PAY 26% OF THE AD VALOREM TAX IN THIS COUNTY. IN ADDITION TO OUR OWN CITY TAXES.

SO WE PAY, AS A CITY, RESIDENTS, $16,381,016. SO, THERE'S -- GET TO WHERE I'M GOING. BACK IN 2012, A GUY NAME DAVE LOT DID A STUDY CALLED THE PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAM EVALUATION.

AND PART OF THAT STUDY, PAGE 21, HE WROTE... OVERALL I BELIEVE PARKS AND RECS NEEDS TO IMMEDIATELY PERFORM AN ASSESSMENT OF CURRENT PRICING STRUCTURE OF ALL OF ITS PROGRAMS AND ADJUST THEM TO PROVIDE A REASONABLE LEVEL OF REVENUE TO THE CITY. SINCE NASSAU COUNTY DOES NOT OFFER EVEN THE MOST BASIC PARKS AND RECS PROGRAM THAT IS FALLEN TO THE CITY OVER THE YEARS TO PROVIDE CITY AND COUNTY RESIDENTS WITH A WIDE VARIETY OF RECREATIONAL INSTRUCTIONAL PROGRAMS. WHILE IT'S COMMENDABLE THE CITY HAS CARRIED THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DECADES, BE CAREFUL THAT CITY TAXPAYER IS NOT BEARING AN UNDUE BURDENEN IN THE OPERATION OF THESE PROGRAMS. AT THE PRESENT TIME, MOST PROGRAMS HAVE A 25% PREMIUM FOR NON-CITY RESIDENTS.

IT WAS NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE A SIGN. TO VALIDATE THE FEE

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MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR? VICE MAYOR KREGER: IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION. YOU KNOW, THE CITY RECREATION PROGRAMS GENERATE $900,000 A YEAR. AND I THINK WHAT YOU QUOTED FROM DAVE LOTT IS WHAT HAPPENS ON -- I GUESS THE ECONOMIC TERMS ARE ELASTICITY. SO I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD KNOW THAT INFORMATION, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE ASKING I ASSUME.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: I'M JUST GETTING TIRED OF THE CITY PAYING FOR ALL THE COUNTY RESIDENTS TO USE OUR FACILITIES. AND I READ A LOT OF THE COMMENTS ON A LOT OF THIS BLOGS AND SO ON AND I MAKE A HABIT OF LOOKING UP WHERE DO YOU LIVE, THE CITY OR THE COUNTY. IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, I'M WITH YOU 100%. BUT WHEN PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY ARE CRITICIZING US AND THEY DON'T PAY THE TAXES. SO, THE CITY IS PROVIDING ALL THESE SERVICES FOR THE COUNTY RESIDENTS AND WE'RE NOT GETTING A WHOLE LOT FOR OUR MONEY. AND THAT IS MY MAIN CONCERN. AND I THINK THAT -- I'M GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE THIS ON A FRS READING BUT I WOULD HOPE DURING -- BETWEEN NOW AND THE SECOND READING THAT KIND OF ANALYSIS WOULD BE DONE. TO FIND OUT WHAT THE REAL -- WHERE THAT SWEET SPOT IS. MAYBE IT'S DOUBLE, TRIPLE, MAYBE IT'S 20%, 30%. BUT THE 25% IS WHAT IT IS NOW AND THAT WAS 10 YEARS AGO AND NOW IT'S STILL THERE. SO, WHY.

I MEAN, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW THE REASON FOR THAT.

VICE MAYOR KREGER: IF YOU ARE GOING MAKE A MOTION I WOULD MAKE A SECOND MOTION AGREEING WITH THE FIRST AND BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD COME BACK. HOW IS THAT? MAYOR MILLER: MR. ROSS DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER ROSS: I MOVE TO APPROVE THE READING ON FIRST ORDINANCE WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE STAFF COME BACK WITH WHAT ARE THE COSTS OF SERVICES ANALYSIS DONE TO DETERMINE THE TRUE COST OF THOSE PROGRAMS AND WHAT WOULD BE THE CONSEQUENCE OF INCREASING THE FEE SIGNIFICANTLY FOR NON-CITY RESIDENTS. VICE MAYOR KREGER: I SECOND IT.

MAYOR MILLER: CITY ATTORNEY? >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT NORMALLY WE'LL BRING BACK FOR SECOND READING AT ABOUT A 30 DAY CYCLE. SO WE NEED TO HOLD THE ADVERTISING FOR SECOND READING UNTIL MR. MARTIN APPROVES IT AND SAYS THAT THE DATA IS AVAILABLE.

YES? >> SHOULD BE AVAILABLE. I SPOKE WITH MISS VOIGHT WHO SAID WE'LL NEED THAT DATA IN TIME FOR SECOND READING WHICH IS ONE MONTH FROM NOW.

MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE DATA ON COUNTY VERSUS CITY USE FOR EACH PROGRAM.

>> THAT'S AVAILABLE. WE CAN HAVE THAT FOR YOU AS WELL.

MAYOR MILLER: BEFORE I CALL THE VOTE. WHAT IS THAT SAYING DÉJÀ VU ALL OVER AGAIN [LAUGHTER] ISN'T THIS SCATLY WHAT I ASKED FOR LAST MEETING AND YOU SAID MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT THIS OFF TILL THE NEXT MEETING. I BELIEVE DALE YOU SAID THAT'S EASY TO GET. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT -- THIS ISN'T LIKE A NOW THING. I TALKED TO MISS VOIGHT ABOUT THIS TODAY. ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. SHE KEPT GIVING MOW QUOTE LIKE TRIPS TO SEE THE SENIOR TRIP TO WICKED AND HOW THEY COME UP WITH THE FORMULA. THEY TAKE THE PRICE OF THE TICKET, THE GAS, THE DRIVER AND IF THEY MAKE A LITTLE BIT THAT IS FINE. BUT PARKS AND REC IS NORMALLY A BREAK EVEN THING.

WE'RE NOT IN IT TO MAKE MONEY OFF PEOPLE ENJOYING THEMSELVES AND STAYING HEALTHY. WHAT MY SUGGESTION WAS WHEN WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO HAVE WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF LIVING IN THE CITY OVER THE COUNTY? TELL PEOPLE YOU SAY 25% ON YOUR PARKS AND RECREATION FEE -- I MEAN, YOU CAN TELL THEM YOU GET GREAT SERVICE, FIRE AND POLICE AND THEY'LL BE THERE. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THE COUNTY IN LESS THAN FOUR MINUTES. THAT'S

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WHAT WOULD THE BURDEN INCURRED ON THE COUNTY? YOU MENTION THERE'S NO OTHER THING TO DO. THERE IS A YMCA. I DON'T WANT TO RUN PEOPLE OUT OF THE POOL TO ANOTHER FACILITY AND NOT MAKE IT FINANCIALLY WORK OUT AND HURT THE PROGRAMS. AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T WANT KIDS NOT BEING IN SWIM LESSONS AN THINGS I DON'T -- I MEAN THESE ARE THINGS IMPORTANT. SO I DIDN'T WANT TO -- I DON'T WANT TO CHARGE PEOPLE DOUBLE TO GO SEE "WICKED" WHILE THE STOWE RESIDENTS ON THE VAN ARE GOING TO BE THERE FOR FRO. BECAUSE I CAIRN TOE THERE'S NO ROOM ON THAT VAN IF IT'S FREE TO SEE A PLAY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE PURPOSE. SO THAT WAS KIND OF MY MINDSET. I SEE COMMISSIONER ROSS'S LIGHT BACK ON. SO, I'LL LET YOU FINISH.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: THERE IS ONE OTHER FACT I WHOA LIKE TO BRING UP. THE ISLAND, THE ENTIRE ISLAND, THE CITY AND THE NOT INCORPORATED ISLAND, PAYS 58% OF THE AD VALOREM TAX FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. SO THIS ISLAND IS THE PIGGYBACK FOR THE COUNTY.

AND WE DO NOT WE DO NOT GET CONSUMMATE SERVICES THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING FROM THE COUNTY. I MEAN, THEY SHOULD BE CONTRIBUTING TO US. THAT'S MY OPINION.

MAYOR MILLER: AGREED. FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS THAT WAS PART OF THE VERY FIRST DEBATE THAT I SAT HERE WITH MR. WILLIAMS. HIS WHOLE CAMPAIGN WAS IT'S TIME FOR THE COUNTY TO PONY UP. BUT WHAT SERVICES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? EMERGENCY SERVICES RIGHT? THEY DON'T HAVE A PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. THEY DON'T HAVE THE SERVICES WE HAVE. THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE TO OFFER US IS EMERGENCY SERVICES. VICE MAYOR KREGER: NO THEY HAVE TO OFFER US COLD CASH [LAUGHTER] [APPLAUSE] MAYOR MILLER: BUT -- AND I WOULD ANSWER YOU AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COUNTY BUT I'D IKE TO KNOW -- I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO PONY UP CASH. YOU CAN ASK BUT LOOK HOW LONG IT TOOK TO GET HELP WITH THE BEACH NOURISHMENT PROGRAM. THE COUNTY IS NO THE IN THE SAME POSITION WE'RE IN. I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT EMERGENCY SERVICES TO PEOPLE. AND YOU DON'T EITHER. THAT'S THE ONLY REAL REPERCUSSION TO SAY I'M SORRY YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR A POLICE OFFICER. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. VICE MAYOR KREGER: I NEVER SUGGESTED THAT. MAYOR MILLER: RIGHT THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WRITE US -- I GUESS THEY COULD WRITE US A CHECK BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD GO DOWN. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THE NUMBERS I WOULD LIKE TO SEW IS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE USING IT. THAT'S EASY TO FIND OUT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO DOUBLE THE AMOUNT IT COSTS TO DO A YOGA CLASS BECAUSE YOU LIVE OUTSIDE THE CITY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BE FREE TO USE SERVICES THAT WOULD BE HEALTH RIDDEN. LIKE USE THE POOL, THE GYM. IT WOULD BE NICE TO SAY IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY YOU HAVE YOUR OWN HEATED SWIMMING POOL AND OWN GYM. THAT WOULD BE A NICE THING TO SAY RIGHT.

BUT I GUESS WE'LL COME BACK WITH THOSE NUMBERS. I SEE YOUR LIGHT ON AGAIN. COMMISSIVOICE MAYOR MILLER: IT'S NICE THAT WE DO THIS BUT WE -- VICE MAYOR KREGER: WE KEEP SUBSIDIZING THE COUNTY RESIDENTS AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO GET AROUND THAT. BECAUSE THERE'S A REASON THAT WE LIVE HERE AND WE PAY THE TAXES. SO, COUNTY RESIDENTS? I'LL GO BACK - TO THE NURSE LAST NIGHT. HER KIDS WHO LIVES HERE CAN'T GET INTO THE PROGRAM AND THE COUNTY KIDS ARE. I MEAN I'VE GOT NOTHING AGAINST KIDS AND MAE WE NEED MORE SWIMMING CLASSES. BUT I CAN'T SEE WHY A MOM WHO HAS TWO KIDS CAN'T GET INTO A SWIMMING CLASS OR WHATEVER SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT A POOL. BUT HER COMPLAINT WAS SHE SAID THAT IT'S HAPPENED TWO OR THREE YEARS IN A ROW. SO, I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT SHE SAID. I DIDN'T CHECK IT OUT OR WHATEVER. BUT I FIND THAT TROUBLESOME THAT CITY RESIDENTS ARE GETTING BUMPED BY COUNTY RESIDENTS AND WE'RE PAYING THIS FREIGHT.

MAYOR MILLER: I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT TOO. DID SHE -- YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PROGRAM THAT WAS? WHEN I WORKED THERE WE DIDN'T HAVE A CITY SWIM TEAM. WE HAD LESSONS. BUT YOU NEVER REMEMBER ANY TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE ROOM FOR SOMEBODY. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IF YOU GO BACK TO HER. IF THAT'S THE CASE I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN DO IT WITH OUR SPORTS LEAGUES TOO IS GIVE CITY PREFERENCE FIRST AND ONCE IT FILLS UP IF THERE'S ROOM WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO THE COUNTY.

>> I AM A CITY RESIDENT AND I HAVE CHILDREN. AND THEY DON'T ASK. THEY OPEN UP THE PROGRAMS LIKE SUMMER CAMP, AFTER-SCHOOL CARE, THINGS LIKE THAT FOR CITY RESIDENTS BEFORE. WE HAVE A ONE

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BUT AFTER THAT PERIOD OF TIME WE'RE JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE. I MEAN, OTHER THAN THE TREE FEES WE PAY ARE LOWER.

MAYOR MILLER: YOU GET A PREREGISTRATION PERIOD. MAYBE SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT. MAYBE WE NEED MORE EDUCATION.

VICE MAYOR? VICE MAYOR KREGER: ROLE 'GET THE NUMBERS AND WE. IT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION THAT PARKS FOR KIDS AND FUNCTIONS FOR KIDS WHO LIVE IN THE CITY IS PRETTY MUCH SHOULD REALLY BE FREE. I MEAN WE'RE SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS ON THE MARINA AND HOW MUCH ON THE GOLF COURSE YOU KNOW. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN DO THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND WE KIND OF WENT IN THAT DIRECTION WHEN WE WAIVED FEES FOR TEAMS. KIDS AND ADULTS SHOULD BE ABLE TO IF YOU LIE IN THE CITY TO USE THE PARKS. NON-RESIDENTS SHOULD PAY AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF MONEY.

MAYOR MILLER: THAT'S A GOOD POINT. COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN? COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: WE LIVE ON AN ISLAND. NO CHILD SHOULD BE PREVENTED FROM SWIMMING LESSONS. I MEAN, HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HEAR THEM SAY, STAY OUT OF THE WATER RIP CURRENTS AND THEN OUR LIFEGUARDS HAVE TO SAVE SOME ADULT BECAUSE THEY JUMP IN? EVERY KID ON THIS ISLAND SHOULD KNOW HOW TO SWIM. AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT OPPORTUNITY IS THERE. WHETHER IT MEANS, YOU KNOW, HIRING EXTRA SWIMMING INSTRUCTORS, MAYBE GETTING SOME OF OUR OCEAN RESCUE PEOPLE TO DO LESSONS WITH THEM. BUT NO KID SHOULD NOT KNOW HOW TO SWIM. MAYOR MILLER: THAT WAS MY -- WHEN I WORKED AT PARKS AND REC I WORKED AT AQUATICS AND I'VE BEEN SWIMMING MY ENTIRE LIFE. AND I MADE IT TO WHERE -- AND I TALKED TO NED. IF YOU OR THE SPECIAL LUNCH PROGRAM YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR SWIMMING LESSONS. ANY KID THAT WANTS SWIMMING LESSONS ON THIS ISLAND IS GOING TO GET THEM. I'VE OFFERED TO DO IT FOR FRO. IF ANYBODY NEEDS SWIMMING LESSONS AND YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT, CALL ME. I'LL DO IT FOR FRO. BUT I DO HAVE AN ANSWER WITH THE QUESTION ABOUT THE COUNTY NOT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE. CHARGE THEM TO PARK AT THE BEACH [LAUGHTER] THAT BEACH IS THE MOST HIGHLY DRAWN ITEM. LET THE CITY HAVE IT FOR FRO. CHARGE THE COUNTY RESIDENTS TO USE IT.

>> YOU CANNOT CHARGE THEM IN THE NASSAU SHORE PROTECTION BUREAU.

MAYOR MILLER: ONCE WE GET THAT QUESTION ANSWERED

>> IT WAS ANSWERED. MAYOR MILLER: SO WE'LL LOSE OUR FEDERAL FUNDING IF WE CHARGE CHARGE PARKING AT THE BEACH

>> THEY SAID EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE EQUAL ACCESS.

MAYOR MILLER: I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS A BLACK AND WHITE ANSWER.

>> YOU CAN CHARGE FROM R34 TO SADLER SOUTH. THERE'S TEN LOTS DOWN THERE. THAT IS NOT EQUAL RIGHTS.

MAYOR MILLER: WHAT ABOUT YOUR PLAN OF THE CITY PAYING THE CITY SHARE SO EVERYBODY DOES HAVE IT'S BEING PAID. IF IT'S PAID OUT OF YOUR TAXES. IS THAT DEAM THE COURT. THE LETTERS ARE THERE, ON. DALE'S PLAN IS NOT GOING TO WORK

>> WE CAN PLAY GAMES AND GO THAT WAY AND THEN THAT 79% I TALKED ABOUT, BECOMES IN JEOPARDY. YOU KNOW, THE REASON PARKING AND PUBLIC ACCESS IS WHY WE GET 79%. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD FOOL WITH IT. UP IN MASSACHUSETTS THEY DID SOME CLAWBACK. AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO MESS WITH THAT PROGRAM.

MAYOR MILLER: I'M NOT SAYING -- WHEN YOU SAY PLAY GAMES YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE -- I SAY WE GET A SOLID ANSWER. VOICE MAYOR MILLER: WE GOT A SOLID ANSWER IN WRITING.

MAYOR MILLER: ABOUT DALE'S PLAN? VICE MAYOR KREGER: HE DIDN'T GO INTO SPECIFICS. MAYOR MILLER: LET'S GET A SOLID YES OR NO. VICE MAYOR KREGER: IF YOU WANT TO CHARGE -- WHEN WE ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT PAID PARKING, THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION WAS PAID PARKING AT SELECTED BEACHES WAS MAINLY SADLER AND IT WAS SEASONAL AND EVERYBODY PAID.

YOU COULD PAY A SEASON PASS FOR $10. SO, COULD SOMEBODY FROM CHICAGO. IN REALITY, ECONOMICALLY, YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE MADE A LOT OF MACHINE BY DOING THAT. PEOPLE WOULD BUY PASSES AND NEVER PARK THERE AND YOU WOULD BE GETTING MONEY. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST MAKE IT EQUAL. EQUAL RIGHTS FOR PEOPLE THAT'S ALL. MAYOR MILLER: I'VE GOT COMMISSIONER ROSS AHEAD OF YOU. COMMISSIONER ROSS: THE REASON I BROUGHT UP THE NAVY THING WAS TO FIND OUT -- BECAUSE THE NAVY THERE'S NO CATCH. THE NAVY IS FREE. NO STRINGS ATTACHED.

THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THAT QUESTION UP.

MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: WE'VE INVOLVED -- WE GET BACK ON THE AGENDA. MAYOR MILLER: THE LAST TIME I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER EITHER. THE COMMISSIONER ASKED WHERE THE

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COULD DO THAT PLEASE. >> YES

>> YES >> YES

>> YES >> YES

>> YES. MAYOR MILLER: ITEM 9.1. THIS IS

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DO THIS? >> VICE MAYOR KREGER HAD ASKED ABOUT THE RESOLUTION TO REDUCE THE MEMBERSHIP FROM 7 TO 5.

VICE MAYOR KREGER: I SENT AN HERB EMAIL EARLIER THIS WEEK TO DALE. MY UNDERSTANDING THEY'RE GOING TO GE TO FIVE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET QUORUMS. I GUESS IT WAS A COUPLE OF ISSUES. AND IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WHEN, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT THEM TO GO TO FIVE PEOPLE TO GET A QUORUM, THAT BECOMES A DECISION OF THIS COMMITTEE. SO, IF THERE'S FIVE, YOU KNOW, AND WE GOT FIVE DO WE WANT TO APPOINT SOMEBODY ELSE AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THEN. OR DO WE WANT TO MAKE AN ALTERNATE? I THINK THE COMMISSION HAS TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT TO GO OR NOT.

AND IF WE DON'T WANT TO GO TO FIVE, THAT'S OUR DECISION, THEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION. IF WE WANT TO GO TO FIVE, THEN WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I'VE BEEN TO EVERY PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE MEETING THIS YEAR. AT LEAST FOUR OF THEM HAVE NOT HAD A QUORUM. SO THEY CAN'T EVEN GET FIVE PEOPLE AT THEIR MEETINGS. SO I SAY THE MORE PEOPLE WE APPOINT THE BETTER TO ENSURE THEY'RE ABLE TO MEET. MAYOR MILLER: HOW MANY DO THEY

HAVE NOW? >> IT WOULD TAKE ANSWERING THE QUESTION ARE THOUGHTS OF VICE MAYOR KREGER. THERE'S A RESOLUTION THAT ESTABLISHES THE PARKS AND REC BOARD AND IT HAS 7 MEMBERS. FIVE REGULAR MEMBERS -- NO, NO. 7 MEMBERS.

TWO OF THEM ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TEEN MEMBERS. SO, TWO MONTHS AGO OR SO AT ONE OF THESE MEETINGS I SAID I'LL BRING BACK A RESOLUTION. AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER AND I SPOKE ABOUT IT AND WE DECIDED -- MAYOR MILLER: HOW MANY MEMBERS ARE THE BOARD? COMMISSIONER: THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF FOUR FOR A QUORUM. MAYOR MILLER: BUT HOW MANY ARE ON THE COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW? COMMISSIONER: HOW MANY MEMBERS?

>> I THINK WE HAVE 6. MAYOR MILLER: SO YOU NEED THREE FOR A QUORUM. COMMISSIONER: RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO HAVE FOUR SHOW UP. MAYOR MILLER: BUT IF YOU REDUCE IT TO FIVE. COMMISSIONER: WE NODE THREE.

MAYOR MILLER: SO ONLY HAVE TO HAVE THREE PEOPLE THERE. SO, ADDING ANOTHER PERSON ON. HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOWED UP TO THE MEETINGS YOU WENT TO. COMMISSIONER: THREE WERE CANCELLED AND THEY HAD ONE WITH FOUR.

MAYOR MILLER: HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE? COMMISSIONER: THREE. MAYOR MILLER: THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A QUORUM IF IT WAS FIVE. WHY DON'T WE DO THAT. YOU SAID TO MAKE IT AN ALTERNATE UNTIL WE WORK ON THIS. LET'S DO THAT. I AGREE WITH THAT. ANYBODY ELSE? WHO IS THE CANDIDATE?

>> MISS ROSS. MAYOR MILLER: SHE IS HERE. DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT? COMMISSIONER: MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE APPLICATION AS AN ALTERNATE OR WE ACCEPT THE APPLICATION. SHOULD IT BE REDUCED TO FIVE, YOU WOULD BE THE ALTERNATE.

MAYOR MILLER: OKAY. COMMISSIONER: THAT IS GOOD? COMMISSIONER: SO YOU ALL ARE DIRECTING ME TO BRING A RESOLUTION BACK AMENDING MEMBERSHIP? THE BOARD CANNOT DO IT ITSELF. COMMISSIONER: THAT WOULD BE

FINE. >> IF YOU WANT -- OKAY.

MAYOR MILLER: IS THAT YOU, DALE? SPEAKER: JUST TO CLARIFY. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ACTUALLY FIVE MEMBERS RIGHT NOW ON THE BOARD.

THERE'S MR. BARTELL -- MAYOR MILLER: SO WHY DO THEY REQUIRE FOUR PERSON TO HAVE A QUORUM IN

>> I THINK THERE'S A VACANCY. THERE'S TWO VACANCIES.

COMMISSIONER: THAT MOTION WILL DO IT.

MAYOR MILLER: I'LL WAIT FOR A SECOND.

COMMISSIONER: I'LL SECOND IT. MAYOR MILLER: I SEE YOUR LIGHT

>> HOW MANY FIVE MEMBERS ARE IN THE CITY.

MAYOR MILLER: WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY HAVE PAB. IN TOTAL? MAYOR MILLER: I DIDN'T SAY NO ALTERNATES. I'M TRYING TO GET TO A THREE PERSON QUORUM INSTEAD OF A FOUR. THAT'S MY GOAL. TO

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BACK WITH A RESOLUTION? >> I WILL. AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO -- THE FIVE PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY NIPPLEED ON THERE, ARE THOSE THE FIVE VOTING MEMBERS AND YOU'LL LEAVE THEM AS THE VOTING MEMBERS. ? COMMISSIONER: YES IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD DECIDES TO GO TO FIVE. .

MAYOR MILLER: WHY DON'T WE MAKE THIS PART OF OUR VISION MEETING AS WELL IN JANUARY TO TALK ABOUT THE SIZE OF THESE COMMITTEES AND DO IT AS A GROUP INSTEAD OF DOING ONE AT A TIME. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT ALL OF THEM AS A GROUP MAYBE. DO YOU AGREE? COMMISSIONER: I THINK DALE'S ADDRESSING IT. THEY WERE MEETING AT 4:00. MARE MER THAT'S TRUE TOO. RHO SHOULD HAVE THE CHAIRS COME TO THE VISION AT ONE POINT AND GIVE US THEIR INPUT. ALL RIGHT SHALL WE CALL THE VOTE? COMMISSIONER: I HAVE ONE PROBLEM. I WILL RECUSE MYSELF.

MAYOR MILLER: MADAM CLERK CAN YOU CALL THE VOTE.

>> YES >> YES.

>> YES >> CAN YOU READ ME THE MOTION

AGAIN PLEASE >> YES, SIR. THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE VICE MAYOR KREGER WANTS TO REDUCE THE MEMBERSHIP TO FIVE PEOPLE PROVIDED THE COMMISSION APPROVES IT AND -- COMMISSIONER: IF THE MEMBERSHIP IS REDUCED

>> AND IF IT IS REDUCED MRS. ROSS WILL BE AN ALTERNATE

MEMBER. >> SECTION 286.012 FLORIDA STATUTES REQUIRES YOU TO VOTE, MR. ROSS. IF MRS. ROSS WERE PAID A SALARY FOR BEING ON THE BOARD.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: I WAS TRYING TO BE KNOW.

>> I KNOW [LAUGHTER] I'M SORRY. YOU HAVE TO VOTE. MAYOR MILLER: THAT KIND OF BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT. BECAUSE THE CUESAL THING. YOU CAN'T REALLY RECUSE YOURSELF. WHEN THE SHEFFIELD THING CAME UP. I COULDN'T PULL BACK WITHOUT A REASON TO DO IT. AND THE ONLY REASON WE TALKED ABOUT WAS IF I PERSONALLY COULD NOT SEPARATE MYSELF FROM MY EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT TO THE SHEFFIELD FAMILY AND CAST A VOTE. IF I COULDN'T DO THAT, I SHOULDN'T BE SITTING UP HERE. I SAW THAT HAPPEN WITH JACKSONVILLE MEETING TOO. IF WE CAN CALL THE VOTE PLEASE.

>> YES >> YES

>> AS PER ADVICE OF COUNSEL I WILL BE VOTING YES

>> COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH >> THIS IS A VERY MIXED MOTION.

IT SHOULD BE TWO MOTIONS. BUT YES.

>> MAYOR MILLER >> YES.

MAYOR MILLER: OKAY. ON TO SECOND 10. 10.1. THIS IS A

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COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH:. THANK YOU. CAN YOU PUT THIS UP FOR M ME? SO ABOUT 7 DAYS AGO, 8 DAYS AGO I GOT A CALL FROM BELL, COUNTY COMMISSIONER, WHO ASKED ME ABOUT OUR CONSERVATION REFERENDUM. IF WE WERE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT. AND HE GAVE ME THE INFORMATION THAT THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH THEIRS. IN FACT, I THINK THEIR DUE TO VOTE ON IT DECEMBER 9TH. AND THE ISSUE REALLY BEING NOT ONLY THE COUNTY CONSERVATION REFERENDUM BUT THE SCHOOL BOARD. IF WE PUT OURS ON, NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE TAX INCREASE REFERENDUMS ON A BALLOT. AFTER GOING THROUGH THE BUDGETING THIS YEAR AND HEARING SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF OUR CITIZENS, MY GUT FEELING IS THAT IF I SAW A BALLOT WITH THREE TAX INCREASES ON IT, GUESS WHAT I AM DOING? NO, NO, NO. SO WHAT AARON WAS SUGGESTING WAS IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF THE CITY AND THE COUNTY PARTNERING ON A REFERENDUM AND DOING SOME KIND OF FORMULA FOR DISTRIBUTION OF THE MONEY. THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE THREE INITIATIVES. WE HAVE TWO. SO I TOLD THEM I WOULD BRING IT UP. I ALSO RAN IN TO COMMISSIONER LEAPER AT A SOCIAL EVENT AND HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM. HE ALSO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. SO I AM BRINGING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION OF, A, IS THERE A CONCERN ON THIS BODY OF HAVING THREE INITIATIVES ON THE

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THEY KNEW WE WERE GOING TO DO A BALLOT INITIATIVE AND THEY DIDN'T COME TO US AT ALL. SO, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE MECHANICS -- AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE CITY MANAGER HAS EVER BEEN CONTACTED ABOUT THIS. SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO. WE'RE 14 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION. ARE WE GOING TO GET -- 15 PERCENT OF THE $30 MILLION FOR THE CITY? WELL THEN YEAH IT BECOMES VIABLE. WHICH COMES OVER 4 TO $5 MILLION. SO I WOULD ASK THAT THE CITY MANAGER GO TALK TO THE COUNTY MANAGER AND FIND OUT WHAT THE DEAL IS. BECAUSE THEY'VE GIVEN US ABSOLUTELY IN INFORMATION. I ALSO DON'T HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN THE COUNTY. BECAUSE LAST OCTOBER WE MADE A PROPOSAL THROUGH THE TDC TO BRING BEACH CLEANING AT THE BEACH CLEANING.

AND THAT RFP STILL HASN'T GONE OUT ALMOST A YEAR LATER. NO, MORE THAN A YEAR LATER. SO I WONDER IF THEY EVEN PULL IT OFF.

THAT'S MY OTHER CONCERN. MAYOR MILLER: CITY ATTORNEY?

>> I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF REFERENDUMS SO MR. LED VOW NICHE SHOULD PROBABLY GO FIRST.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: THAT WAS THE VERY CONVERSATION I HAD WITH AARON WAS OUR CITY MANAGER TALKING TO THEIR COUNTY MANAGER AND SEEING EXACTLY HOW THIS WOULD WORK AND WHAT THE FORMULA WOULD BE. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE FORMULA IS, WHY WOULD WE DO IT.

MAYOR MILLER: CITY ATTORNEY? I'M SORRY VICE MAYOR KREGER.

VICE MAYOR KREGER: I'M REALLY CONCERNED WITH IT TOO. BUT I WANT TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. WE DID KNOW THIS WAS COMING. IT WAS PROBABLY TWO MONTHS AGO WHEN I HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT CITY-COUNTY COOPERATION AND ADRIAN COULDN'T SHOW UP. AT THAT TIME MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT CAME OUT WAS THEY WERE LOOKING AT A REFERENDUM. AND I BELIEVE THEY WERE WORKING WITH A NATIONAL ORGANIZATION. THAT BEING SAID, MY CONCERN IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT MIKE AND CHIP SAID. YOU KNOW, TWO REFERENDUMS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'RE TALKING .02. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING .05. THAT'S A HARD STRETCH.

TWO? YEAH. ON A NATIONAL ELECTION. I DON'T HAVE THE SAME, SAME, YOU KNOW -- I DON'T HAVE QUITE THE SAME OPINION OF THE COUNTY. I THINK SOME THINGS THEY'RE VERY COLLUSIONAL AND WE CAN WORK EFFECTIVELY WITH THEM.

BUT ON THIS ISSUE I WOULD BE REAL CONCERNED. THEY HAVE LIKE 7 PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY IN CONSERVATION. WE HAVE 42 FOR RECREATION CONSERVATION. AND THAT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING.

BECAUSE FORT CLENCH IS CLEWS TIED AS RECREATION RACING. SO, WE'D WIND UP GETTING NOTHING I THINK. SO I WOULD BE CONCERNED WITH THAT. IF THIS WAS A DEAL WHERE WE GOT SOME KIND OF RATIO, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD DO THAT. I THINK WHEN IT STARTS GETTING MUDDY LIKE THIS, CHANCES ARE REAL SLIM. WE'LL FIND OUT THE NINTH IF THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. IT MAY DEPEND WHAT WE'RE SAYING NOW. MAYOR MILLER: WHAT IS THE -- COMMISSIONER: I JUST WISH THE CITY MANAGER WOULD TALK TO THE COUNTY MANAGER AND COME BACK WITH WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS.

MAYOR MILLER: MAYBE I AM JUST CONFUSED OR NOT AWARE OF THE MENTALITY OF THE COUNTY IN CONSERVATION. BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY PUSH FROM -- WHEN YOU SAY COUNTY YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT LIKE ENTIRE NASSAU COUNTY. SO, A LOT OF THAT LIKE YOU WERE SAYING IS AGRICULTURAL AND MORE RURAL. I HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT OF COUNTY PROTECTION GROUPS OTHER THAN COUNTY AND PROPERTY ON THE ISLAND. IS THERE A PUSH IN THE ISLAND FOR COUNTIES ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE COUNTY TO PUT AREAS IN CONSERVATION.

>> YOU MOAN WEST. MAYOR MILLER: WEST. I THINK THAT MOTORIST BE A HARD SELL. JUST LIKE THE ANIMAL TETHERING LAWS. AND LEAVING YOUR DOGS TIED UP IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE DO HERE. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY PUSH FROM THE COUNTY. MAYBE THERE IS AND I AM NOT KNOWING ABOUT IT.

COMMISSIONER: I THINK PART OF THIS IS SOUTH ISLAND. I THINK THAT IS ONE FACTION THAT IS PUSHING THIS. SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY OVER LAND. AND ALSO THAT PARCEL DOWN SOUTH

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THE WHOLE COUNTY IS NOT VOTING. SO, SOUTH PEOPLE MAY VOTE FOR -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE VOTE THAT AREN'T ON THE ISLAND IN THE COUNTY. BUT I'D HATE TO MAKE OUR ORDINANCE RELIANCE ON THE FACT THE COUNTY AGREES AS WELL. I THINK THAT IS A DANGEROUS ROAD TO GO DOWN. VICE MAYOR KREGER: THE BIG PUSH FOR CONSERVATION IN THE COUNTY IS COMING FROM THE COUNTY PLANNING STAFF. MAYOR MILLER: THAT'S 10 VOTERS [LAUGHTER] VICE MAYOR KREGER: I UNDERSTAND.

BUT THEY'RE THE ONES -- IF THEY APPROVE THIS REFERENDUM IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO DO THEM [INAUDIBLE] IF ALL OF THEM GO ON THE SAME THING. WE ARE COMMITTED TO GO TO REFERENDUM.

SO, IF THEY APPROVE IT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF COMMITTING TO GO TO REFERENDUM MEANS JOINING THE COUNTY.

MAYOR MILLER: DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH MEMBERS AT THE COMMISSION PUT WILLING TO PUT THAT ON A REFERENDUM?

>> THEY DO. DECEMBER NINETH. MAYOR MILLER: THAT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE. THAT'S A MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

>> GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE WILL HAVE THE COUNTY MANAGER ATTORNEY, WE'RE MEETING TOMORROW MORNING AT 10:00 A.M. FOR JOINT PLANNING EFFORTS. WE COULD DOVE TALK ABOUT THIS. NOT MAKE THIS SORT OF OFF THE SIDE AFTERWARDS JUST TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE THINKING. BUT THERE'S A FEW THINGS HERE THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE IS FOR THE COUNTY.

I SUSPECT THAT THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT GOING OUT FOR ANY TYPES OF LOANS OR ANYTHING. WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST TIME I SPOKE WITH MR. MARTIN ABOUT IT. THAT'S HIS INTENTION. IS THAT THIS REFERENDUM FOR THE CITY WOULD BE AN APPROVAL BY THE VOTERS TO USE TAX MONEY AS DEBT SERVICE. AND IF WE DO THAT, THAT'S REALLY -- IS THAT YES? AM I SPEAKING OUT OF TIME

>> ACCORDING TO COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH'S THING IT SAYS THE COUNTY WANTS .2 MILLS TO FINANCE A 30 YEAR BOND

>> THEN WE CANNOT COMBINE OUR EFFORTS. STATE LAW. THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND WHERE YOU ARE PLEDGING AD VALOREM TAX.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE ADOPTED, IMPLEMENT AND A LOAN CLOSED BY NEXT NOVEMBER. BECAUSE IT REQUIRES BOND VALIDATION, LAWSUITS. IT IS A BIG DEAL. IT TAKES ABOUT 18 TO 24 MONTHS TO GO FROM THE TIME YOU ADOPT YOUR ORDINANCE UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY HAVE YOUR BALLOT QUESTION AND YOUR COURT APPROVAL OF YOUR BOND. SO, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED DISCUSSING THIS, I KNOW WE THOUGHT ABOUT BORROWING MONEY ALSO. BUT YOU CAN DO -- IT'S NOT A STRAW BALLOT BUT IT'S BASICALLY, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WANT. YOU DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T THINK IN NEXT YEAR'S ELECTION, I'M GOING OUT ON A LIMB TO SAY YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO DO EVEN IF WE COULD GET IT DONE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN IN 12 MONTHS. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO PUT A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND QUESTION ON THAT BIG JOINT BALLOT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE -- UNITY GIANT BALLOT WE'RE GOING HAVE NEXT NOVEMBER NOVEMBER. IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY AND PUT SKIN IN THE GAME, $15,000 FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION, DON'T SCREAM MADAM CLERK [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE IT'S ON US TOO. BUT IT'S SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER. AND THAT CAN HAPPEN AT ANY TIME WITH THE PROPER AMOUNT OF NOTICE. YOU CAN DO A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND REFERENDUM THEM TOO. WHICH WE HAVE TO BE ON OUR OWN TO DO IT. I HAVE TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE VALIDATION. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. LET MOW GET THAT AND I WON'T EVEN WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. I'LL EMAIL EVERYBODY COLLECTIVELY WITH WHAT THE STEPS ARE AND THE TIMETABLE FOR GETTING IT DONE. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS COMMISSION'S ON THE SAME PAGE. BUT WE CAN'T JOIN THE COUNTY. UNLESS IT'S A JUST DO YOU WANT TO ADD SO MUCH MILLAGE TO YOUR MILLAGE WORK.

THE OTHER OPTION IS, AND THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE VOTING, BUT IS AN MSTU. WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COUNTY WOULD GO FOR.

AND THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A VOTE. MAYOR MILLER: I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT UP. HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HEAR WHY ARE WE PAYING FOR THE BEACHES FOR COUNTY RESIDENTS. VICE MAYOR KREGER YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. VICE MAYOR KREGER: THE MSU ARGUMENT WAS A VIABLE ARGUMENT WHEN THE AUTO CENTRIC WAS GOING.

SHOULD THIS BECOME IF YOU WERE GOING TO BUY THAT FOR

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YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. OBVIOUSLY, THEY KNOW WE'RE GOING. IF THEY DON'T, THEY'LL KNOW TOMORROW.

MAYOR MILLER: GOOD POINT. ARE YOU GOOD

>> NO. JUST KIDDING. MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I'M DONE.

MAYOR MILLER: YOU WANT TO TAKE THE SCREEN DOWN? HOW MUCH OF YOUR -- THAT WAS A CONVERSATION YOU HAD WITH COMMISSION MEMBER RIGHT? THAT WASN'T BASED ON -- IS IT STILL THE SAME AS IT WAS A NOW YEARS AGO. IT'S STILL A BLOG. I'M LOOKING AT THIS DATA.

YOU REFERENCED THE DATA ON T SLIDE. THIS IS ONE PERSON WITH NO EDITORIAL OVERSIGHT. IT IS A BLOGGER STILL? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: NO THIS IS THE INDEPENDENT.

MAYOR MILLER: IS THAT AN ACTUAL PAPER

>> NO, IT'S STILL A ELECTRIC SITE.

MAYOR MILLER: IT'S NOT A PAPER. IT IS A PERSON WITH A COMPUTER

IS WHAT I AM SAY TRYING TO SAY. >> IT IS. SELF-PUBLISHED.

>> IT'S MARY MCGUIRE. MAYOR MILLER: I AM AWARE. IT'S ONE PERSON. ITEM 10.2. WATERFRONT PARK DEVELOPMENT.

[Item 10.2 ]

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU. I NOTICE THAT COMMISSIONER CO-AUTHORED THIS. I AM GOING TO SAVE THE DISCUSSION FOR YOUR SLIDE PRESENTATION. BUT THE REASON I HAVE THIS UP IS BECAUSE IT IS A FACEBOOK POST WHICH SAYS I'M HEARING. AND I'M HEARING A NEW LARGER BUILDING SOUTH OF ATLANTIC SEA TODAY AND A POSSIBLE BARGE RESTAURANT AT THE FOOT OF ALACHUA. WHEN I READ THIS STUFF ON SOCIAL MEDIA, I LIKE TO PROVIDE FACTS. SO, I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE MR. FANELLI AND HIS FOLLOWERS THE FACTS. I KNOW COMMISSIONER ROSS HAS A SLIDE SHOW IN WHICH THIS WILL BE INCORPORATED AND WE CAN PROVIDE MR. FANELLI WITH SOME FACTS. SO I WILL TURN MY TIME OVER TO COMMISSIONER ROSS.

MAYOR MILLER: YOU KNOW THIS HOW? WHAT COMMISSIONER ROSS HAS TO SAY? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: BECAUSE I HAVE HIS SLIDE SHOW. MAYOR MILLER: OKAY GOT YOU [LAUGHTER] I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS A CONVERSATION.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: NO. MAYOR MILLER: I WANT TO CONGRATULATE MR. FANELLI FOR HAVING HIS FIRST POST.

COMMISSIONER ROSS YOU WANT TO SEGUE NO LETTING COMMISSIONER ROSS. COMMISSIONER ROSS: I'VE GOT TWO ISSUES TONIGHT. ONE SHOULD NITTY TAKE TOO LONG. A WATERFRONT INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES. ONE OF THE GOALS OF THE COMMISSION WAS TO HAVE A WATERFRONT PARK. AND TO GET TO A WATERFRONT PARK YOU NEED TO DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE THERE.

AND TO DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE ARE TWO KEY ISSUES THAT I WOULD LIKE THAT WE TALK ABOUT. AND I THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD AGREE THAT WE WANT A SAFE INTERCONNECTED ADA ACCESSIBLE AND PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED WATERFRONT. AND THOSE ARE WORDS TAKEN OUT OF PLACES. THE FIRST ISSUE IS WHAT TO DO ABOUT THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE SALTY PELICAN. THIS IS THE MARINA RESTAURANT. THE MARINA HAS THEIR ACCESS THROUGH HERE ACROSS THE RAILROAD. AND THE SALTY PELICAN HUES USES THE ACCESS HERE THROUGH THE BACK. BUT THAT'S NOT THEIR PROPERTY.

A LOT OF THEIR DELIVERIES COME ACROSS HERE. ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE CITY MANAGER HAVE THE ENGINEERING GROUP THAT HE'S ANTICIPATING HIRING TO DO THINGS IS WHAT TO DO ABOUT THIS AREA. THERE'S BASICALLY TWO BASIC CHOICES. AND IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LOWING NOW. SO WE ALL KNOW WHAT THIS IS. PEOPLE WALK ACROSS HERE. THE BIGGEST DANGER HERE IS NOT GETTING HIT BY A TRAIN BUT TRIPPING AND FALLING AND BREAKING A BONE OR TWISTING AN ANKLE. KIDS PLAY ON THE TRACKS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

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WHAT CAN DO YOU ABOUT THIS? BASICALLY TWO BASIC OPTIONS.

THE NEXT ONE IS TO DO WHEN THEY DO IN A LOT OF CITIES ACROSS THE WORLD WHERE YOU HAVE STREET CARS AND SO ON AND THEY JUST CONCRETE THE WHOLE THING. SO, ONE OF THE -- THAT'S CALLED OPEN ACCESS. YOU PUT IN PANELS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THIS IN A SAFE MANNER. AND THE TRAIN STILL COMES THROUGH THERE AT LESS THAN 10 MILES AN HOUR WITH A TRAIN MAN ON THERE AND IT'S PERFECTLY SAFE AND GETS RID OF ALL THE PROBLEMS AND GETS IT A. D.A. ACCESSIBLE. THE SECOND OPTION IS YOU CAN PUT FENCES UP. THIS IS CALLED CHANNELIZATION. AND THAT WOULD JUST PREVENT PEOPLE FROM GOING ACROSS THERE. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE GO AROUND THE FENCE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO THOSE ARE THE BASIC TWO OPTIONS. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS AN ENGINEER TO COME BACK WHO KNOWS ABOUT STREETS AND KNOWS ABOUT THESE AND GIVE US THE OPTIONS OF THE TWO KINDS OF DESIGNS DEPICTURED HERE. THE SECOND ISSUE IS ALACHUA STREET.

THIS IS IN 1950 THE RAILROAD USED TO BE OVER HERE THEN MAY MOVED IT OVER HERE AND THIS ROAD GOT CLOSED OFF SORT OF AND THERE WAS INTERMITTENT. IT IS A LONG STORY AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS TO REST. AND SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS -- NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THIS IS ALACHUA STREET HERE. THE OPENING. SO, THERE ARE BASICALLY FIVE OPTIONS. ONE IS THE DO NOTHING OPTION. I THINK THAT'S A TERRIBLE OPTION. THE SECOND OPTION IS A PEDESTRIAN ONLY CROSSING. THE THIRD IS A PEDESTRIAN TWO-WAY TRAFFIC. SO, TRAFFIC GOES BOTH WAYS BACK AND FORTH. THE THIRD IS PEDESTRIAN AND EASTBOUND ONLY VEHICULAR AND THEN WESTBOUND. SO I WOULD LIKE THE CITY MANAGER TO ASK THE ENGINEERING COMPANY -- AND THIS IS TO COME UP WITH A STUDY, COME UP WITH WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF DOING EACH OF THESE. WHAT ARE THE DISADVANTAGES AND WHAT'S THE COST. AND THEN HAVE A WORKSHOP IN JANUARY WITH THAT INFORMATION ON THESE TWO SUBJECTS AND THEN GET PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS AND MAKE A DECISION. SO, WE'RE GOING GO FORWARD WITH HAVING A PARK, THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS, THE DECISION TO START HAVING TO BE MADE. SO, THERE SHOULD BE PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS. WE SHOULD HAVE THE INFORMATION ON THIS.

AND I THINK A ENGINEERING SITE WHICH SHOULD NOT BE ALL THAT EXPENSIVE TO DO THESE TWO VERY LIMITED OPTIONS IS MOVING THE BALL FORWARD. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THIS.

MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: SO HELP ME OUT. FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. ALACHUA STREET, THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED

FOR HOW MANY YEARS? >> MORE THAN 20.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: DALE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE? THE DECISION. THANK YOU. IN THE 20 YEARS THERE'S NEVER BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY. COMMISSIONER ROSS: THAT DOES THIS. NO. NEVER DONE. I'VE DONE THROUGH EVERY BOX. TRUST ME, IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE. THERE ARE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND THEY SAY THE SAME THING. ALACHUA SHOULD BE OPEN. THEY DON'T SAY HOW.

THEN THEY SAY BROOM STREET SHOULD BE OPEN OR A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. THERE'S TWO TRAFFIC STUDIES DONE BY THE WALKER COMPANY AND THEY BOTH SAY THE SAME THING.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: AND IT SHOULD BE OPEN WITH NO RECOMMENDATION? COMMISSIONER ROSS: THEY DON'T RECOMMEND THIS. IT DID GO THROUGH A WALKABLE CITY AND THERE SHOULD BE AN OPENING EVERY 300 FEET. A BLOCK SHOULD BE ABOUT 300 FEET. AND NOW IT IS A THOUSAND FEET. SO, YOU WOULD NEED -- WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO TALK ABOUT BROOM STREET. BUT ALACHUA STREET I BELIEVE SHOULD BE OPEN IN ONE OF THESE FASHIONS. AND THIS STUDY OF THE ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES.

AND PART OF WHY YOU NEED AN ENGINEER TO DO THIS IS THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM TO DO ALL THESE THINGS WITH THE AMOUNT OF --

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THEY DIDN'T GIVE US THE GATES. BUT AN ENGINEERING FIRM CAN TELL YOU WHAT FDOT IS GOING TO REQUIRE. THE GATES ARE DRIVEN BY FDOT. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: WHAT DO

WE THINK A STUDY WOULD COST? >> THAT'S UNDER REVIEW. I HAVE THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL FROM THE AYERS GROUP. SO, I'LL HAVE THAT COST DETERMINED. BUT AS COMMISSIONER ROSS SAID, THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO TRAFFIC STUDIES DONE. ONE BY WALKER AND ONE BY ZEPCO. DID THEY GO TO THIS EXTENT? NOPE BUT THEY BOTH CALLED FOR ALACHUA STREET TO BE OPEN.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: SO COMMISSIONER ROSS, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING US TO DO IN REGARD TO THIS? COMMISSIONER ROSS: IF WE ALL AGREE, TO FIND OUT IF YOU WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT IT COSTS, THAT'S VERY REASONABLE AND COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN HAVE THEM DO THIS IN THE NEXT 60 DAYS. SHOULDN'T TAKE ALL THAT LONG. THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE. AND THEN COME BACK AND HAVE A WORKSHOP IN JANUARY AND MAKE A DECISION ON THIS. I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 20 YEARS. SO, GET THE DATA. DO WHAT I DO IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM. GET THE DATA, MAKE AN ASSESSMENT, THEN COME UP WITH A PLAN. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: IS THERE ENOUGH DATA FROM THE TWO STUDIES? COMMISSIONER ROSS: NO. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: IF I COULD FINISH PLEASE. IS THERE ENOUGH DATA FROM THE OTHER TWO STUDIES TO GET THE THIRD STUDY STARTED? SO, THEY'RE NOT STARTING FROM ZERO. COMMISSIONER ROSS: THERE IS SOME DATA THERE ON TRAFFIC -- THERE IS DATA. THEY DON'T HAVE TO START FROM ZERO. BUT A LOT OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH HOW MUCH SPACE THERE IS THERE NOW. BEFORE THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, THE CITY DIDN'T OWN. SO, YOU COULDN'T DO A COUPLE OF THESE CROSSINGS. SO, THERE'S MORE SPACE THERE NOW TO ALLOW THIS. SO, UP UNTIL NOW THE CITY DIDN'T OWN THAT PROPERTY SO IT WAS ALL CONSTRICTED BY THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY THEY HAD. SO THEY ONLY HAD A ONE-WAY CROSSING. BUT NOW YOU CAN PROBABLY DO A TWO-WAY CROSSING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BEST ANSWER IS. AND THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE HEAR FROM A PROFESSIONAL WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES, WHAT ARE THE DISADVANTAGES.

MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN I BELIEVE YOU ARE NEXT, SIR. COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: DALE, ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO I ASKED YOU TO LOOK INTO HOW ALL THE PROJECTS THAT HAD TO GET DONE TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE DEAL WITH ALACHUA. WE HAD, WHAT, WAS IT 600,000, 60,000? I FORGOT.

>> $850,000. COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: $850,000 SITTING IN THE BANK TO OPEN ALACHUA STREET. I WAS TOLD A YEAR AGO IT WOULD BE TWO YEARS OF DOING PROJECTS BEFORE WE OPEN ALACHUA. HERE WE WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT IS AT LEAST TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY CONCRETE PLANS FOR FRONT STREET. THE PLANNING AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NEEDED TO MAKE FRONT STREET A PASSABLE PIECE OF ROAD. I MEAN, YOU BROUGHT UP CEMENTING THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THAT'S THE FIRST I'VE EVER HEARD OF IT.

NEVER BEEN IN THE PLANS. HOW MUCH IS THAT GOING TO COST US? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIE WHAT HAS TO GET -- TIE WHAT HAS TO GET DONE ON FRONT STREET WITH THIS? TO DO THIS NOW TO ME IS A TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY. WE NEED TO -- YOU KNOW, BEFORE I RAN, I CAME UP HERE TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND HANDED EACH ONE OF THEM A DUCK. I SAID THIS COMMISSION NEEDS TO PUT THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW. WELL YOU KNOW WHAT? WE NEED TO PUT OUR DUCKS IN A ROW. WE NEED TO SAY THIS IS THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO. GET THAT DONE. THEN WE GO TO THIS ONE. WE PLAN AND WE PLAN AND WE PLAN AND WE NEVER ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING. AND IN LESS THAN A YEAR THIS BOARD IS GOING TO CHANGE. AND ALL IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE THREE VOTE VOTES AND ALL THIS MONEY AND PLANNING IS GONE. BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE HAS A NEW PLAN.

LET'S PUT OUR DUCKS IN A ROW, SAY THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO

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MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS? COMMISSIONER ROSS: CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE PLEASE? I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, PHIL, AND HERE'S MY -- WHAT I BELIEVE. ACTUALLY I WANT THE ONE WHERE ALACHUA IS USED. ALL RIGHT. SO, YOU SAID THAT -- AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO PRIORITIZE WHAT YOU DO FIRST AND WHAT YOU DO SECOND. WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED IN THAT YEAR THAT IS WE NOW HAVE THE STORM WATER PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO COME AND GO THROUGH HERE. SO THAT IS BEING DONE AS WE SPEAK. THE MONEY'S BEEN FUNDED FOR THAT. THAT IS THE FIRST THING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE YOU DO THIS. THE SECOND THING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE PRIORITIZING IS BEFORE YOU DECIDE ON WHERE YOUR PARK IS, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE THESE TWO BOUNDARIES ARE.

AND WHAT THIS BOUNDARY, WHAT THIS ROAD, THE CROSSING, WHETHER THIS IS ONE-WAY OR TWO WAYS, DEFINES ON HOW MUCH LAND YOU HAVE OVER HERE FOR A PARK OR WHATEVER ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO DO.

SO THE NEXT STEP, I BELIEVE, AND YOU CAN ASK AN ENGINEER IF YOU WANT, IS HOW TO DECIDE HOW YOU WANT TO APPROACH ALCH YOUA STREET. AND WHETHER YOU WANT I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE OPEN IN ONE FASHION OR ANOTHER AND WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS. SO I THINK THIS IS THE NEXT STEP. YOU NEED TO KNOW WHERE THIS STREET IS GOING TO BE FIXING FRONT STREET DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS AT ALACHUA STREET.

BECAUSE FROM HERE TO HERE IS A 60 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY. AND IF YOU WANT A SIDEWALK HERE AND YOU WANT SEAWALL PROTECTION AND YOU WANT A CROSSING HERE, ALL THOSE THINGS HAVE ARE DRIVEN BY WHAT YOU DO WITH THIS INTERSECTION. SO I BELIEVE THAT THE NEXT STEP, AND YOU ARE RIGHT YOU HAVE TO PRIORITIZE THINGS, THAT THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO COME UP WITH THIS. AND THE REASON FOR, YES, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU MAY HAVE EVER HEARD OF THIS, BUT THAT AREA RIGHT THERE -- IF YOU CAN GO TO THE FIRST ONE. KEEP GOING. ALL RIGHT. THIS ROAD RIGHT HERE IS ONLY 22 FEET WIDE.

AND SO WHAT YOU DO IN HERE, WHETHER YOU PUT A FENCE HERE OR CONCRETE OR DO THE -- WHETHER YOU CHANNELIZE IT OR DO OPEN ACCESS, DRIVES WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT FRONT STREET. SO THIS AREA HAS TO BE DECIDED BEFORE YOU DO THIS AREA. BECAUSE THE SIZE OF THIS STREET IS DRIVEN BY WHAT HAPPENS OVER HERE. SO I AGREE WITH YOU. IT SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED AND THE TWO NEXT -- AND AS YOU PUT, YOU NEED TO DO ONE STEP AT A TIME. AND I BELIEVE FOR GETTING FRONT STREET OPEN, THAT THE NEXT TWO THINGS AND WE CAN GET AN ENGINEER TO CONFIRM THIS, IS TO DECIDE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ALACHUA STREET. AND THAT'S WHY I AM PROPOSING THIS. AND FIND OUT WHAT IT COSTS. I THINK THAT'S THE WAY -- A WAY OF PROCEEDING.

IT MAY NOT BE THE BEST WAY. YOU MAY HAVE A BETTER WAY. BUT I THINK THAT'S ONE WAY. MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSION LEDNOVICH? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: SO I'M INTERESTED IN COMMISSIONER HAPPEN'S -- CHAPMAN'S COMMENTS.

WHEN YOU ASKED THE CITY MANAGER WHAT TIMEFRAME WAS THAT. WHEN YOU ASKED ABOUT FRONT STREET? COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: YOU MEAN

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COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: THAT WAS TO OPEN ALACHUA COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT FRONT STREET. COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: HOW DO YOU OPEN ALACHUA UNTIL FRONT STREET, THE PLANS ARE THERE FOR FRONT STREET AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. FRONT STREET IS A MAJOR PROJECT. YOU'VE GOT RAILROAD CROSSINGS IN THERE. YOU'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH PROBABLY CHANGING SOME TRAFFIC PATTERNS. YOU'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH SOME MAJOR ISSUES, IF THAT'S GOING TO BE OPEN FOR TRAFFIC. YOU ALSO HAVE TO DEAL WITH ASH STREET. WHAT DO WE DO WITH ASH STREET. WHAT DO WE DO WITH CENTER STREET.

THERE'S ALL THOSE PIECES. FOR ME, THAT HAVE TO BE IN PLACE.

ALACHUA STREET IS ONLY ONE OF THE MANY PIECES. AND IF YOU START AT ASH STREET AND GO TOWARDS THE PORT, THE END OF THAT IS ALACHUA. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GOING TO START THERE. SO, ARE WE GOING TO WORK BACKWARDS? YOU KNOW, IF WE OPEN UP ALACHUA STREET, FINE, YOU GOT ALL THESE CARS CROSSING ALACHUA STREET. YOU WANT TO DRIVE YOUR CAR ACROSS ALACHUA STREET ON TO FRONT STREET THE WAY IT SITS NOW? ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT. WATCH OUT FOR THE RAILROAD TRACKS BEAUSE THEY'LL KILL YOUR UNDER CARRIAGE. I THINK -- AND THIS IS MY FRUSTRATION. WE NEED TO HAVE A MASTER PLAN RATHER THAN DO THIS ONE PIECE AT A TIME. AT THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD, THEY'VE RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING FOR THE THING. YOU WERE THERE AT THAT MEETING. AND SO NOW THERE'S ANOTHER PIECE. WHILE EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT A PARK. WELL THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT PARKING. AND SO THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE BOAT RAMP.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE BOAT RAMP. HOW DOES THAT RAMP FIT INTO THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS ON FRONT STREET? SO, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT AWFUL OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED, INCLUDING THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO TO THEM AND SAY COME ON LET'S SIT DOWN WITH US AND LOOK AT THE WHOLE OF FRONT STREET.

WE'RE JUST PICKING AND CHOOSING. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US SAY THIS IS HOW WE START AND THIS IS WHAT WE DO. WE GO ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE. LIKE DOMINOS. WHEN THE FIRST PROJECT GETS DONE, WE'RE ROLLING INTO THE SECOND ONE. BUT AND WE'VE SPENT -- HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE SPENT OVER THE YEARS ON CONSULTANTS FOR FRONT STREET IN FOR THE PARK. FOR PARKING. YOU COULD PROBABLY FILL VOLUMES ON THE NUMBER OF PLANS FOR THE PARK. WELL I STILL DON'T SEE IT. I WANT US TO HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION FOR THAT TO GET SOMETHING DONE INSTEAD OF LET'S STUDY THIS. LET'S GO DOWN AND STUDY THE OTHER END. LET'S STUDY THE MIDDLE PARTS. WE NEED TO PICK ONE THING AND GET STARTED ON IT AND STOP STUDYING EVERYTHING ELSE.

COMMISSIONER: IS THERE A FRONT STREET PLAN? CITY MANAGER, HAS

THERE EVER BEEN >> NO.

COMMISSIONER: SO THERE'S NEVER BEEN -- OF ALL THE PLANS AND ALL THE STUDIES ON THIS WATERFRONT NO ONE HAS LOOKED AT FRONT

STREET, ASH, AND ALACHUA? >> NOT TO THE BEST OF MY

KNOWLEDGE >> CAN I ANSWER THAT

>> GO AHEAD. YES AND NO. THE REASON THIS IS ALL CHANGED IS BECAUSE FDOT CHANGED. AND FDOT HAS NOW MANDATED WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE AT ASH STREET. AND THEY'VE MANDATED WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE AT CENTER STREET. ALL RIGHT. SO, ALL THE PLANS IN THE PAST DIDN'T TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THIS ROAD IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE PUSHED THIS WAY BECAUSE THE CROSSING GUARDS ARE GOING TO BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET IF YOU LOOK AT THE FDOT PLAN. IT PUSHES THIS WHOLE THING TO THE WEST. AND THE SAME THING HAPPENS HERE. AND, PHIL, YOU ARE CORRECT, COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN, THIS NODES TO BE WORKED OUT. THIS NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT. AND THIS NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT. ALL THOSE DIFFERENT STREETS. AND WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO IS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE ASKING. IS TO BREAK IT UP INTO LITTLE PIECES AND DO ONE -- WHAT DRIVES THE OTHER. AND SO FDOT HAS ALREADY KIND OF DECIDED WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.

THEY'VE DECIDED WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE. SO A BEGINNING OF

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AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, WHAT YOU DO ON FRONT STREET AND WHAT YOU DO ALONG THE SHORELINE ARE GOING TO DRIVE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE INSIDE OF THAT. THE SANDWICH. THE DELI MEAT INSIDE.

COMMISSIONER: SO TO COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN'S POINT, THESE ARE INTERDEPENDENT ROADS. SO, BREAKING ONE OFF FROM THE OTHER TWO SEEMS NOT WISE IN THE 30,000 FOOT VIEW.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: WELL -- MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN:

COMMISSIONER ROSS-- >> MY POINT BEING THAT YES ALACHUA IS IMPORTANT BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO WITH THE OTHER ELEMENTS ON FRONT AND ASH. SO I AGREE THAT WE NEED THE FRONT STREET PLAN. MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN:ER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: YOU SAID FDOT HAS DECIDED ALL THE CROSSINGS. COMMISSIONER ROSS: ESSENTIALLY.

COMMIS COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: WHY DON'T HAVE A PLAN THAT HAS ALL THE CRO CROSSINGS. HAVE ANY OF YOU GOTTEN A PLAN. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WITH THE STREET TO MAKE IT USABLE. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ONE. SO, IF FDOT HAS ALREADY DECIDED THE CROSSINGS, THEN WE NODE TO MOVE FROM THERE. BECAUSE THAT APPARENTLY FROM WHAT YOU SAY THAT'S CASTING CONCRETE.

MAYOR MILLER: MR. MARTIN DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING SIR?

>> YES. THIS WAS THE PLAN APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION 5-0 ON AUGUST 6TH. SO I HAVE BEEN MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. I HAVE THE CONSULTANT WHICH IS WORKING ON THE SHORELINE. I HAVE THE CONSULTANT NAMED MARQUEE WHO IS WORKING ON THE PARK DEPARTMENT. WE ARE NEGOTIATING THE TERMS FOR THE FRONT STREET PLANS WITH AYERS. ALL THREE OF THOSE FIRMS ARE ON THE CCA LIST. YES ALL OF THEM WILL BE HERE ON NOVEMBER 19TH FOR THE FIRST TIME FOR ALL THREE OF THEM TO MEET WITH EACH OTHER AND DETERMINE THIS LITTLE TRACA IS GOING TO BE THE STEERING COMMITTEE ON HOW TO PULL THIS ALL TOGETHER INCLUDING STAKEHOLDERS SUCH AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PARKS AND REC XHOET, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD, THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION, AND THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE MAIN STREET DESIGN COMMITTEE. THEY WILL BE THE STEERING COMMITTEE ON TYING ALL OF THIS TOGETHER. WITH REGARD TO FDOT. FDOT AS PART OF THE ENTICEMENT TO GET THE RAILROAD TO AGREE TO OPEN ALACHUA STREET, FDOT HAS SAID THEY WILL PROVIDE THE RAILROAD WITH THE FUNDING, ACTUALLY FDOT WILL PAY FOR IT, TO UPGRADE THE SIGNALS AT BOTH ASH STREET AND CENTER STREET. SO, AND THE CLOCK IS TICKING ON THAT FUNDING FOR ASH AND CENTER STREET. THAT MONEY WAS AVAILABLE THIS YEAR.

IT'S ON A STATE FISCAL YEAR SO IT BECAME AVAILABLE IN JULY.

SO, YES, THERE IS A SENSE OF PURPOSE IN DEVELOPING THE FRONT STREET. ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEER THAT PRESENTED THIS PLAN AND ACCORDING TO THEIR PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS, ALL THREE CROSSINGS CAN SUSTAIN RAILROAD SIGNALS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD AND WE CAN STILL MAINTAIN TWO-WAY TRAFFIC ON FRONT STREET.

THAT IS A CONCEPT THAT I AM MOVING FORWARD TO. IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT, THEN LET ME KNOW. MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER? VICE MAYOR KREGER: [INAUDIBLE] IS DOING A STUDY NOW ON THE SHORELINE. ATM DID BUNCHES OF STUDIES ON THE SHORELINE. WOOD DID A STUDY ON THE SHORELINE. THEY DID THE STUDY ON PARKING LOT B THAT WE REQUESTED $970,000 AND WE GOT 450 WHICH WE NEVER DID ANYTHING BUT REPURPOSE. WE'VE GOT STORM WATER ISSUES WITH [INAUDIBLE] WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE THREE YEARS OLD. THAT'S $500,000. AND I ONLY MENTION THIS BECAUSE ALL THESE THINGS FIT IN TO A STRATEGIC PLAN. AND DALE'S 100%

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LET'S ALL GET HERE AND GET SOMETHING DONE. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOREVER. ONE MORE THING. IF THIS ISSUE WITH ACCESSING THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND THE PEOPLE WE OUGHT TO PUT A FENCE UP FOR SAFETY. MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS YOU ARE UP SIR. COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHAT I AM HEARING IS, BY A VOTE OF 5-0, YOU HAVE COMMITTED TO A TWO-WAY CROSSING ACROSS ALACHUA STREET WITH A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.

>> NO WE COMMITTED TO THE PARK FOOT FOOTPRINT. COMMISSIONER ROSS: WE IS YOU TOO. I AGREE. BUT ON THE PLAN THERE'S A CROSSING. OKAY. AND

WITH THE QUESTION I AM ASKING-- >> THAT WASN'T WHAT WE VOTED ON.

WE VOTED THE FOOTPRINT FOR THE PARK.

>> OKAY. BUT THAT FOOTPRINT IS DRIVEN -- HAVING TALKED TO ENGINEERS AND GONE DOWN THERE AND SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME, IS DRIVEN -- YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING TO NEED TO COME -- YOU SEE THIS IN HERE? YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO COME IN HERE TO OPEN THIS UP IF IT IS A TWO-WAY CROSSING. SO, AND YOU ARE RIGHT, THIS CROSSING AT ALACHUA STREET DRIVES WHAT'S HAPPENING DOWN HERE. THE WHOLE, ALL THE CIRCULATION IS DRIVEN BY THE ALACHUA STREET CROSSING. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 25 YEARS.

I WAS TRYING TO HELP WITH YOUR ASSISTANCE, COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN, TO COME UP WITH A CONSENSUS OF WHAT WE WANT TO HAPPEN AT ALACHUA STREET. HAVING PUBLIC INPUT ON IT AND THAT'S A KEY PART OF WHAT DRIVES EVERYTHING ELSE THAT OCCURS. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, THAT'S FINE. AS FAR AS SAFETY GOES. I DON'T THINK FENCES ARE SAFE. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER SAY THAT NOT YOU. WITH ALL DO RESPECT YOU PROBABLY KNOW TONS ABOUT THAT. I'D LIKE TO GET SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS SOMETHING -- BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE OPTIONS.

>> MY ONLY ISSUE WAS SAFETY. >> SAFETY FROM WHAT? SAFETY FROM PEOPLE JUMP THE FENCE AND THEY GO AON T-- RAILROAD TRACK

>> YOU WERE SHOWING PEOPLE WALKING ACROSS THE TRACK AND IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE. YOU WERE SHOWING THERE WAS AN ADA AND A

SIDEWALK >> BUT NOBODY USES IT. IF YOU PUT A FENCE -- WELL THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT USE IT. BUT YOU SAW THE WHEELCHAIR. PEOPLE WALK ACROSS THERE. I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET A CONSENSUS FROM AN ENGINEER WHO IS TRAINED OF WHAT TO DO -- WHAT IS THE BEST THINGS TO DO THERE FOR OUR CITY.

MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: SO, THE CITY MANAGER SAID THAT THESE THREE FIRMS WILL BE HERE ON THE 19TH.

>> ONLY PASSWELL IS PRESENTING. THE REST ARE HERE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES TO EACH OTHER. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: CAN'T WE PRESENT COMMISSIONER ROSS'S QUESTIONS AND ISSUES SINCE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THREE PARTIES HERE AND SHOW THEM THIS AND POSE THE VERY QUESTIONS HE'S RAISING TONIGHT?

>> THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED. AND THEIR PROPOSAL ADDRESSES THAT. WHAT I AM ASKING IS: COULD I DO MY JOB? THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING. PUBLIC INPUT IS GOING TO KILL THIS. AND I HATE TO SAY THAT. YOU GUYS NEED TO MAKE A DECISION AND LET US MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLANS. BECAUSE YOU ARE FINDING OUT PUBLIC INPUT IS SAYING KILL THE PARKING. WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE PARKING. WE THAT'S WHY NOTHING HAS HAPPENED FOR DECADE. BECAUSE PEOPLE WITH POLITICAL CONSTITUENCIES BITE AT THE ANKLES AND FORCE PEOPLE TO BACK OFF OF THEIR COMMITMENT. ARE YOU COMMITTED TO THIS PLAN? I HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN ANY OTHER DIRECTION OTHER THAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN. SO I AM BRINGING THE PEOPLE ONLINE TO PREPARE PLANS THAT TALK ABOUT FRONT STREET, THAT TALK ABOUT THE PARK, THAT TALK ABOUT THE SHORELINE. AND THAT GROUP WILL HAVE TO COME TOGETHER TO PRESENT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON HOW TO

MAKE THIS HAPPEN. >> SO YES I WANT YOU TO DO YOUR JOB. BUT ALSO REALIZE I AM TRYING TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS RAISED BY ANOTHER COMMISSIONER. SO, THERE'S TWO PARTIES HERE, AND ALL I AM SUGGESTING IS YES DO YOUR JOB, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE THREE FIRMS HERE. YOU SAID YOU HAVE ALREADY POSED

THESE ISSUES TO THEM >> YES THAT'S PART OF THE PROPOSAL THAT THE NG FOR THING FIRM HAS GIVEN ME TO LOOK AT ALL

THAT STUFF >> GREAT THEN LET'S HEAR FROM

THEM >> WORKS FOR ME.

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>> I WAS JUST GOING TO COMPLIMENT THE CITY MANAGER.

AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT KNOWING THIS, BUT IT DOES SOUND LIKE YOU ARE PUTTING THE DUCKS IN A ROW. AND I COMPLIMENT YOU FOR THAT.

THAT'S ALL. MAYOR MILLER: I CONCUR WITH THAT AS WELL. I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD EXPLANATION AND I APPRECIATE YOU TRYING TO HERD ALL THIS TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH A CONCISIVE RESPONSE. THAT WAS WELL DONE. YOU STILL HAVE

THE FLOOR >> I'M DONE

>> I GOT ONE MORE. MAYOR MILLER: I DIDN'T SEE YOUR

LIGHT. >> MARINA OR -- MAYOR MILLER: THIS IS STILL YOUR THING.

>> I'M STILL SEED -- CEDING MY TIME.

MAYOR MILLER: YOU ARE OKAY WITH HIM TAKING THE REST OF IT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. MAYOR MILLER: YOU GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER ROSS. COMMISSIONER ROSS: I DID PASS OUT A COPY OF THE ST. MARY'S -- I WENT UP TO ST. MARYS. IT IS A NICE WATERFRONT PARK. MANY PEOPLE SAY IT IS A GREAT PARK.

SO I FORWARDED A COPY TO YOU. I'VE GOT A COPY FROM THE CITY CLERK OF THE PARK AND YOU CAN STUDY IT TO YOUR HEART'S CONTENT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT'S A GOOD PARK. IT'S JUST INFORMATIONAL. SO THAT'S THE ST. MARYS PARK. IF YOU CAN DO THE NEXT ONE. ALL RIGHT. SO I WANT TO READ SOMETHING FROM A MEMORANDUM. IT SAYS THE ONGOING FINANCIAL VIABILITY, VISION AND ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE OF THE MARINA ENTERPRISE FUND HAS BEEN THE SOURCE OF MUCH DEBATE, CONTENTION AND DISAGREEMENT SINCE THE ENTERPRISE FUND WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1996. THE CITY AND ITS MARINA ARE CRITICAL TIME AS WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ATTEMPTING TO COMPLETE SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. WILL BE ASSUMING ADDITIONAL DEBT BURN AND ARE FACING CHALLENGING ECONOMIC AND FINANCIAL TIMES. IT GOES ON TO SAY THE MARINA FUND IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND WHICH IS ESTABLISHED IN 1995 AND ITS PURPOSE IS TO BE OPERATED FOLLOWING GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICES AND BE SELF-SUPPORTING. THEN FINALLY IT SAYS. THE COMMISSION AMONG OTHER THINGS STATED AND AFFIRMED THAT THE MARINA WAS A COMMUNITY ASSET, AN ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR THE DOWNTOWN, AND PROVIDED A RECREATIONAL AMENITY FOR RESIDENTS THAT SHOULD IF NEEDED BE SUPPORTED BY NON-ENTERPRISE FUND REVENUE. THAT COMES FROM A MEMORANDUM TO MAYOR MALCOLM FROM THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME ZIMBOR IN JANUARY 27, 2009. SO I THINK AS MAYOR MILLER SAID, IT'S DA JA VIEW ALL -- DÉJÀ VU ALL OVER AGAIN. SO WHAT I DID WAS I TRIED TO COME UP WITH WHAT WAS THE MARINA. BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT HAS BEEN A POINT OF CONTENTION AND WHAT REALLY AN ENTERPRISE FUND IS. AND I LEARNED SOME INTERESTING THINGS THAT I WASN'T QUITE AWARE OF. THESE ABOUT TO SEE COME FROM ACTUAL BUDGETING AND THEY WERE DISCUSSED AND VERIFIED BY THE CITY COMPTROLLER WHO IS IS HERE.

SO THIS IS THE MISSION STATEMENT OF THE MARINA. AS YOU CAN SEE IT SAYS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A SELF-SUSTAINING BUSINESS. AND AN ENTERPRISE FUND IS A SELF-SUPPORTING GOVERNMENT FUND THAT SELLS GOODS AND SERVICES TO THE PUBLIC FOR A FEE. A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, WHY IS THE PARKS AND REC, THEY PAY FEES WHY AREN'T THEY AN ENTERPRISE FUND. THIS IS WHAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND UNTIL ABOUT A WEEK AGO. MAYOR MILLER: HOW MANY SLIDES DO WE HAVE? DO WE NODE TO TAKE A BREAK OR GET SOME COFFEE? IS IT GOING TO -- YOU WANT TO TAKE FIVE? SURE MAYOR MILLER: WE'RE BACK IN SESSION. WE'RE REJOINING THE SLIDE SHOW FROM COMMISSIONER ROSS. COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHAT DRIVES THE WHOLE THING IS THE GOVERNOR ACCOUNTING STUDY 34. WHICH IS THE BIBLE OF ACCOUNTING WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. IT'S NOT DISCRETIONARY IT'S MANDATORY FOR OUR COUNTY STANDARDS. WHAT THAT REQUIRES IS ANY ACTIVITY THAT'S FINANCED BY PLEDGED DEBT HAS TO AN ENTERPRISE FUND. SO THAT IS WHY THE MARINA IS A ENTERPRISE FUND. BECAUSE WE HAVE PLEDGED DEBT IN THE PAST THAT HAS TO BE PAID FOR THAT. AND THAT IS WHY PARKS AND REC DOES NOT HAVE TO BE AN ENTERPRISE FUND BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T PLEDGED DEBT FOR THE PARKS AND REC. WE'VE ALSO PLEDGED DEBT FOR THE GOLF COURSE AND AIRPORT. SO, SO THAT IS WHY THEY'RE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. THE PART I DIDN'T REALIZE WAS THE SECOND PART OF THIS. THAT THE ACTIVITIES COST OF PROVIDING SERVICES INCLUDING CAPITAL COSTS

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AND, AGAIN, THE DEBT IS SECURED BY THE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT OF THE CITY. SO, IF WE'RE UNABLE TO DO THIS, THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THIS. SO THE MARINA DEBT IS ESTIMATED AT $7.1 MILLION. AND THAT IS IF FEMA PAYS US SWISS NOW HAVE TWO LETTERS OF CREDIT FOR $9.4 MILLION. FEMA IS SUPPOSED TO PAY 87.5 PERCENT OF THAT OR $8.2 MILLION. AND THAT LEAVES US WITH A -- WE HAVE THREE OTHER LETTERS OF CREDIT. ONE FOR $1.6 MILLION. $2.5 MILLION. $1.5 MILLION. AND THE DEBT PAYMENT ON THAT IS $800,000 A YEAR. THAT'S $5.6 MILLION OF DEBT. THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL $1.5 MILLION THAT WE KEEP BORROWING FROM THE UTILITY FUND WITHOUT PAYING IT BACK.

AND TO PAY THAT BACK OVER 10 YEARS IS ABOUT $175,000. SO, IF WE AMORTIZE THE DEBT WE'RE GOING TO OWE AFTER -- WHEN FEMA PAYS US BACK IT WILL BE ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS OR WE CAN ALMOR TIES IT OVER 20 YEARS FOR 5 TO $600,000 A YEAR. SO HOW DO WE DEFINE WHAT THE MARINA IS AND WHAT'S PAYING TO ARE THAT DEBT? AND HERE'S JUST A PICTURE OF THE MARINA WHEN IT WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION A FEW MONTHS AGO.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD ARGUE ANY OF THESE ARE PART OF THE MARINA. ALL THESE ARE THE WAY -- WHAT CAN BE USED -- WHAT THE DEBT IS PAYING FOR AND WHAT THEY CAN USE AS REVENUE SOURCES.

NOW IS THAT PART OF THE MARINA. THIS BOARDWALK RIGHT HERE, SOME PEOPLE SAY THE MARINA IS WHAT'S WEST OF THIS SEA WALL. THE SEA WALL SITS RIGHT HERE. THIS BOARD WALK RIGHT NOW NEEDS ABOUT $200,000 WORTH OF REPAIR THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FAIRLY SOON.

IS THAT PART OF THE MARINA DEBT OR PART OF SOMETHING ELSE. THE PARK OR WHATEVER. SO I THINK THE CITY MANAGER HAS WORKED OUT THAT AND, YOU KNOW, HE CAN SPEAK FOR HIMSELF, THAT THIS SHOULD PROBABLY BE PART OF THE PARK OR SOME OTHER FUND AS OPPOSED TO THE ENTERPRISE FUND. SO, YOU RELIEVE THEM OF THAT DEBT. THIS PART RIGHT HERE IS ALSO PROBABLY PART OF THE MARINA. THIS IS THE GOING NORTH HERE, ARE THESE PART OF THE MARINA OR PARK? NONE OF THIS PRODUCES REVENUE. SO, YOU HAVE THIS -- AND THIS BOARDWALK NEEDS TO BE REPLACED IN THE NEXT YEAR. SO I ASSUME THIS IS NOT WITHIN THE MARINA BUT IT'S PART OF THE PARK. SO THIS IS THE TWO PARKING LOTS. NEITHER ONE OF THESE PARKING LOTS GENERATE REVENUE. THEY NEED TO BE REPAIRED OR ARE PART OF THE PARK BE REPLACED OR WHATEVER. SO THAT PROBABLY SHOULD NOT BE PART OF THE PARK, PART OF THIS MARINA BUT PART OF THE PARK. SO WE CAN USE PARK FUNDS TO PAY FOR THAT AS OPPOSED TO THE MARINA HAVING TO PAY DEBT FOR THAT. THESE TWO BUILDINGS RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE WELCOME CENTER. AND THIS IS THE BATHROOM BUILDING. WE DID GET A -- JUST GOT A GRANT THAT ORIGINALLY WAS TO UPGRADE THIS UNTIL WE FOUND OUT THAT THE BUILDING NEEDED TO MEET FLOOD STANDARDS. SO NOW WE HAVE A $200,000 GRANT FROM FINE WH WHWHICH WILL TAKE ANOTHER $200,000 TO MATCH IF YOU ARE GOING TO PUT IN THE 7 BATHROOMS TO THE MARINA FEELS IT NEEDS. THIS IS PART OF THE MARINA. AGAIN, THIS IS ATLANTIC SEAFOOD. ATLANTIC SEAFOOD, THE REVENUE FROM THIS, WHICH IS NOW $1,287 A MONTH GOES INTO THE MANY RINA FUND TO HELP -- MARINA FUND TO HELP PAY FOR DEBT. THIS BUILDING, WHEN THE GRAND PLAN COMES YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT PART OF THE STORM WATER SYSTEM IN THIS BUILDING HAS TO BE DEMOLISHED. SO, THE TWO CAN GO OVER THERE. SO, WHETHER TO REPLACE THIS BUILDING OR DO SOMETHING ELSE IS A REVENUE PRODUCING EVENT IS A QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED. THE CURRENT LEASE ON THAT GOES TO 2028 BUT THERE ARE SOME CONSIDERATIONS.

ADDITIONALLY THIS BUILDING IS BEING HELD TOGETHER BY TERMITES WHO ARE HOLDING HANDS. SO, IT NEEDS HELP. THE NEXT ONE PLEASE. THIS IS BRETT'S BUILDING I'LL CALL IT. THE WHICH IS FIVE PERCENT OF FIVE H- PERCENT WHICH IS THE WAY THE

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SO, IF YOU USE THIS FOR REVENUE PRODUCING EVENT OR SHOULD WE TAKE -- NEXT ONE PLEASE. I THINK IT TALKS ABOUT IT. NO GO BACK. WHETHER YOU TAKE THIS OUT OF THE MARINA FUND AND JUST MAKE IT INTO AN OPEN AREA, TALK ABOUT THAT MORE IN A MINUTE, OR KEEP IT FOR PUTTING SOMETHING HERE THAT GENERATES REVENUE. THOSE ARE DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE. FUTURE COSTS WHICH ARE BUDGETED. FUTURE DREDGING. THE BOAT RAMP IS GOING TO NEED REPAIR IN THE DISTANT FUTURE. THE BATHROOM BUILDING WE TALKED ABOUT. THE SHORE PROTECTION COST. WE CAN EXPENSE THAT TO THE PARK FUNDING OR TO THE MARINA. THE BOARD WALK COSTS WE TALKED ABOUT. ARE YOU GOING TO EXPENSE THAT TO THE PARK OR MARINA. THE REPAIR BRETT'S BUILDING AM WHERE DOES THAT GET EXPENSED TO? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NORTHERN EXPANSION IN THE PAST. THE COST OF THAT IS PROBABLY ON THE BACK OF AN ENVELOPE TURNS OUT TO BE ABOUT $4 MILLION. WHICH WE HAVE $1.5 MILLION GRANT. SO, YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH ADDITIONAL 2-AND-A-HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO DO THIS. SO THE REVENUES THAT WE CAN USE TO PAY FOR THE MARINA DEBT. SLIP RENTALS, THE MOORING RENTALS, FUEL SALES, ATLANTIC SEAFOOD RIGHT NOW AND THE CENTER RESTAURANT GROUP. PUMP OUT FEES WHICH ARE MINIMAL. THIS IS ANOTHER POSSIBLE ONE-ON-ONE FRONT STREET WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT AND THEN IN WATER BOAT REPAIRS AND KIOSK RENTALS. THESE ARE BASICALLY WHERE YOU CAN GET REVENUE FROM. I HAVE HAD GONE TO LOTS OF MEETINGS AND TALKED TO LOTS OF PEOPLE AND NO ONE HAS COME UP WITH ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S WHAT'S ON THIS LIST. I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S NOT ON THIS LIST. THIS IS THE CURRENT REVENUE OPERATIONAL EXPENSES. I TOOK THESE NUMBERS. THESE ARE THE TO TRUE NUMBERS FROM 2013. THERE WAS A $70,000 DEFICIT. THEN THE HURRICANE HIT AND THE PROJECTED REVENUE WHENS THESE ARE THE NUMBERS PROVIDED. PROJECTED REVENUE PRIOR TO DEBT IS $183,000 OPERATIONAL COSTS. THEN WE TALK ABOUT THE -- THIS IS THE SLIDE THAT GOT FROM COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH. AGAIN, THE ISSUE IS, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO THERE AT THE END OF ALACHUA STREET. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH THESE BUILDINGS.

ALL THESE ARE VIABLE ISSUES AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE THINK DIFFERENTLY. SO, ONE-ON-ONE FRONT STREET YOU CAN USE THE BARGE WITH A RESTAURANT ON IT. YOU COULD PUT A BARGE WITH A PAVILION ON IT. YOU COULD PUT ALL KINDS OF THINGS THERE. BUT WHETHER IT'S GOING TO GENERATE REVENUE OR NOT IS THE QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO ANSWER. OR IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO GENERATE REVENUE, AND THIS IS THE VIEW CORRIDOR THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, THIS IS WHERE THE NEW PUTT-PUTT IS. YOU CAN SEE FORWARD IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEVELOP IT, SHOULD WE REMOVE THAT DEBT FROM THE MARINA ENTERPRISE FUNDED A TAKE AWAY THE FUNDING SOURCE.

AGAIN, TICKET BOOTH AND OTHER KIOSKS CAN BE PUT THERE. IN PARIS THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF KIOSKS THAT COME AND GO AND THEY'VE DRIVEN REVENUE BUT THEY'RE MINOR REVENUE GENERATORS. SO WHAT'S THE WAY FORWARD? THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT I WOULD LIKE. I THINK THIS COMMISSIONER: NEEDS TO DECIDE IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THE MARINA GOING FORWARD. I THINK THIS IS SORT OF A NO-BRAINER. THAT ONCE THE DEBT IS PAID OFF BY THAT -- ONCE THE DEBT IS PAID OFF BY FEMA, TO AMORTIZE THE REMAINING DEBT OVER 20 YEARS, IT STILL HAS A ABOUT A 5 TO $600,000 A YEAR COST OF THE DEBT. CERTAINLY DECREASING OPERATIONAL EXPENSES. INCREASING OCCUPANCY ARE TRIED AND TRUE WAYS THAT BUSINESSES WOULD CREATE MORE REVENUE.

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CREATE A LEASE PAYMENT OR THE PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP OR SOME OTHER IDEAS. 101 FRONT STREET OR REMOVE THE DEBT LAND PURCHASE FROM THE MARINA FUND THEN PAY FOR THAT WITH PARK IMPACT FUNDS OR OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. IF YOU ARE GOING TO PAY OFF THAT PART OF THE DEBT. IN WATER BOAT REPAIRS IS MINOR. WE TALKED ABOUT REMOVING ASSETS FROM THE MARINA BOARD, FROM THE MARINA GETTING THE BOARD WALK OUT OF THERE, THE PARKING LOTS OUT OF THERE, THE SHORELINE PROJECTION AND ALL THESE THINGS SO THAT THAT CAN BE PAID FOR OUT OF BUCKETS OF MONEY THAT ARE NOT CONSTRAINED BY THE ENTERPRISE FUND THAT THE MARINA IS CONSTRAINED TO. SO, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS HOW THIS COMMISSION IS GOING TO RESOLVE HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY THE DEBT ON THIS NOTE THAT IS LOOMING IN THE NOT-TOO-DISTANT FUTURE. WHAT OTHER IDEAS THERE ARE OR WHICH OF THESE IDEAS YOU ARE GOING TO IMPLEMENT TO TRY TO COME UP WITH THE -- WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. OR ARE YOU GOING TO DECIDE JUST TO PAY FOR IT WITH AD VALOREM TAXES. SO, THAT'S -- I PRESENTED THIS TO THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD THE OTHER NIGHT. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER? VICE MAYOR KREGER: ONE SIMPLE REAL SOLUTION PARTIALLY IS THE 101 FRONT STREET IS THE PARK. THAT WAS OUR LOGIC FOR EMINENT DOMAIN. THAT'S WHY WE CAN WIN THAT CASE. BECAUSE WE NEED THAT PROPERTY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK FOOTPRINT. SO, TAKE IMPACT FUNDS AND PUT THEM IN THE MARINA TO COMPENSATE FOR BUYING IT.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NEW PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE PROPERTY WE ALREADY OWN.

VICE MAYOR KREGER: THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING. THE 101 FRONT STREET IS IN THE PARK FOOTPRINT. THE PARK, THE SIMMONS PROPERTY AND THE PARKING LOTS. THAT WAS THE BAIT WE SET THAT FOR EMINENT DOMAIN. SO THAT'S ANOTHER 5-0 AND THAT'S IN YOUR PLAN. SO, JUST TAKE THE $700,000 OUT OF IMPACT FUND AND PAY THE DEBT.

PUT IT BACK IN THE MARINA. THAT'S ONE. THAT'S JUST ONE SOLUTION. I DON'T HAVE THE OTHERS.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: THAT'S AN OPTION. VOICE MAYOR MILLER: JUST THINKING ABOUT IT. I DON'T THINK WOE -- WE CAN'T BE FOOLING AROUND, YOU KNOW, GOING OUT EMINENT DOMAIN AND DOING THOSE KIND OF THINGS AFTER WE VOTE AND THEN CHANGE OUR MIND. YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST NOT GOING TO WORK WELL.

ESPECIALLY WITH WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH EMINENT DOMAIN. SO I THINK WE SET THE STAGE. AND IT FITS INTO EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. THE MONEY GETS TRANSFERRED AND WE HAVE THE

IMPACT LAWS CORRECT. >> YES WE DO.

MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS? COMMISSIONER ROSS: IF THAT'S PART OF THE PARK YOU COULD STILL PUT A REVENUE PRODUCING EVENT ON THERE, FUNCTION ON THERE AND NOT AS PART OF A PARK. IF YOU GO TO THE ST. MARYS PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK -- VICE MAYOR KREGER: I DON'T DISAGREE.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: I AM JUST LOOKING AT OPTIONS. HOW ARE WE GOING TO SOLVE THIS DILEMMA? I'VE BEEN BRINGING THIS UP FOR OVER A YEAR. AT SOME POINT IN THE NOT-TOO-DISTANT FUTURE WE NEED TO KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND THAT DEBT. THROUGH AD VALOREM TAXES WHICH GOES AGAINST THE ACCOUNTING RULES OR ARE WE GOING TO FUND IT THROUGH SOMETHING ELSE? VICE MAYOR KREGER: WE'VE BEEN FUNDING IT THROUGH AD VALOREM TAXES. COMMISSIONER ROSS: WE HAVE.

VICE MAYOR KREGER: HERE IS ANOTHER THOUGHT. YOU KNOW, WEST TREK OPERATES MARINES PROPERLY THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY. THEY STOOD HERE AND TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SHORELINE REALLY WASN'T THEIR FORTE. LET'S HAVE THEM OPERATE THAT MARINA AND GIVE THEM -- YOU GUYS RUN THIS AND YOU BREAK EVEN OR MAKE A PROFIT.

THE DEBT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE'LL HAVE TO RESOLVE.

COMMISSIONER ROSS: THEY DO MAKE A PROFIT. $82,000 A YEAR. WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS IS ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY THE DEBT.

VICE MAYOR KREGER: WELL $700,000 TO BUY THE PROPERTY BACK. I DON'T DISAGREE WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT.

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VICE MAYOR KREGER: WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO AND WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DO IT? WOE STARTED OFF 2015 WE HAD LIKE HOW MANY GOALS? ABOUT 40. THEN WE GOT IT DOWN TO THREE. AND ALACHUA IS STILL IN THERE SOMEWHERE YOU KNOW. SO I THINK WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON A REALISTIC STRATEGIC PLAN. MAYOR MARE COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHAT I AM HERRING FROM YOU IS YOU WANT TO WAIT FOR THE VISITING SESSION.

VICE MAYOR KREGER: YEAH IT'S COMING UP IN JANUARY. PRETTY CLOSE. MAYOR MILLER: MR. CHAPMAN.

COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: WE PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT WE NEED TO PUT FAITH IN THE CITY MANAGER TO DEVELOP DIFFERENT PLANS, DIFFERENT OPTIONS. WE HAVE TO BE OPEN TO CHANGE. WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO HAVE THE COURAGE TO BUCK THE -- WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE. WE NEED TO BE CREATIVE AND HAVE THE COURAGE TO BE CREATIVE. BUT TO GIVE THE CITY MANAGER THE ABILITY TO PRESENT DIFFERENT OPTIONS. OPTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO RAISE THE HAIRS OFF PEOPLE'S NECKS. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S WHY WE PAY HIM. AND I THINK HE DOES A GOOD JOB AT COMING UP WITH ALTERNATIVES. SO MY OPINION WOULD BE, YOU GOT NOTHING ELSE TO DO WITH YOUR SPARE TIME. HERE'S ANOTHER ONE [LAUGHTER] BUT I THINK IN MY DEALINGS WITH HIM, HE IS CREATIVE ENOUGH TO AT LEAST GIVE US SOME GOOD OPTIONS.

WE JUST HAVE TO BE OPEN ENOUGH TO SAY, WHAT IS THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY TO PAY THIS DEBT OFF? AND IT'S GOING TO MEAN I THINK SOME HARD DECISIONS DOWN THE ROAD. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE HIM THE POWER TO AT LEAST PRESENT IT TO US.

MAYOR MILLER: MR. MARTIN? >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN. WHAT WE RECEIVED TODAY OR EARLIER THIS WEEK WAS THE FINAL REPORT FROM STAN TECH. STAN TECH REPORT WILL HIGHLIGHT A PATH TO AT LEAST ADDRESS THE DEBT. IT'S NOT EASY. BUT IF YOU REMEMBER THEIR PRELIMINARY REPORT SAID THAT YES YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO INVEST SOME OF YOUR GENERAL FUND RESERVE TO PAY DOWN THE DEBT. WHEN YOU LOOK -- AND I'LL FORWARD IT TO YOU FIRST THING TOMORROW MORNING -- WHAT THEY LAY OUT AS A PLAN DOES ELIMINATE THE DEBT BUT IT DOES NOT, FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, IT DOES NOT ELIMINATE THE ONGOING SUBSIDY FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER ROSS IS TRYING TO, NOT JUST THE DEBT BUT HOW DO WE MAKE THE MARINA SUSTAINABLE.

BECAUSE BASED UPON THE STAN TECH DEPARTMENT AT THE END OF 10 YEARS THE DEBT'S PAID OFF. YOU HAVE A 20% RESERVE OF APPROXIMATELY $200,000. BUT YOU ARE CONTINUING THE SUBSIDY OF APPROXIMATELY $750,000. WHICH IS MORE THAN TWICE WHAT WE'RE SUBSIDIZING AT NOW. WE'RE CURRENTLY SUBSIDIZING IT AT A RATE OF $300,000 A YEAR. AND WE HAVE THAT MONEY IN RESERVE. SO IT'S NOT AS IF THAT DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE IMMEDIATELY.

BUT SOMETIME DURING THIS FISCAL YEAR. STAN TECH HAS LAID OUT A POSSIBLE PLAN. AND WHETHER WE WANT TO FOLLOW THAT, AMEND IT, REVISE IT, THERE IS A PLAN. YES, THAT COULD BE -- THIS WILL BE FORWARDED TO YOU FIRST THING TOMORROW MORNING. IT TALKS

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MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: SO THIS $750,000 A YEAR FOR HOW MANY

YEARS? >> IT'S STILL IN THERE IN YEAR 10. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH:

7-AND-A-HALF MILLION DOLLARS. >> NO $750,000.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: EACH YEAR FOR 10 YEARS.

>> ACTUALLY IT IS A LITTLE WORSE THAN THAT [LAUGHTER] LET ME SUMMARIZE. THE PLAN WHICH IS PRIMARILY INTENDED TO ELIMINATE THE DEBT. IT'S NOT TO GENERATE REVENUE FOR THE MARINA. $300,000 CONTRIBUTION FROM THE GENERAL FUND THIS YEAR WHICH WE HAVE BUDGETED. NEXT YEAR $1 MILLION. THE YEAR AFTER THAT ANOTHER MILLION. THE YEAR AFTER THAT, $1.8 MILLION. THE YEAR AFTER THAT, $2 MILLION. THEN YOU START TO GO DOWN TO 1 AND A QUARTER, 1 AND A QUARTER, 1 AND A QUARTER, 1. THEN YOU ARE DOWN TO THE $750,000. BUT AT THE END OF THAT PERIOD, THE DEBT IS ELIMINATED. THE SUBSIDY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YEAR 11, 12 AND 13 WOULD SAY, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE FIRST 10 YEARS THAT SHOWS THAT THAT SUBSIDY IS GOING TO GO AWAY. WHICH IS WHY WE NEED TO COME UP WITH NEW WAYS OF GENERATING REVENUE TO CHIP IN TO THAT $750,000. IF YOU GET $200,000 FROM BRETT'S NOW WE NEED $500,000. IF YOU GET 200,000 FROM ATLANTIC SEAFOOD NOW YOU ARE DOWN TO -- BUT THERE'S ONLY SO MANY OF THOSE $200,000 POTS SITTING OUT THERE THAT WE CAN FIND. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: AGREED.

I JUST HEARD YOU SAY APPROXIMATELY $12 MILLION.

>> CORRECT. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: OVER THE

NEXT 10 YEARS >> CORRECT. AND THAT'S JUST TO ELIMINATE THE DEBT. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: SO WHILE WE'RE SITTING HERE -- SO I HAVE HEARD YOU POSE THIS QUESTION TO THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD ON HOW TO MAKE MONEY. WHAT KIND OF ANSWERS DID YOU GET? COMMISSIONER ROSS: NOTHING THAT MADE SUBSTANTIAL MONEY. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: NOTHING SUBSTANTIAL. AND I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY THE LAND SOUTH WHERE THE COURTS ARE AND THE PARKING LOT, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PROPERTY THERE FOR BOAT STORAGE OR BOAT REPAIR.

>> CORRECT. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH:. THAT'S WHAT A WORKING MARINA IS. BOAT STORAGE AND BOAT REPAIR.

BECAUSE I KEEP HEARING THIS TERM "WORKING MARINA." AND I REALLY THINK WE HAVE TO DISPEL THAT MYTH. THAT THIS IS A WORKING MARINA. IT USED TO BE A WORKING MARINA WHEN IT WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE PORT. BECAUSE ALL THAT SHORELINE WAS MARINA RELATED.

THAT'S GONE. THE SHRIMP FLEET IS NOT COMING BACK HERE. I SEE A FINGER. ALL RIGHT LET'S HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET THE SHRIMP FLEET BACK? MAYOR MILLER: WE'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM TONIGHT.

THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. NOW IT'S TURNED INTO A -- I HATE TO USE THESE WORDS BUT LET'S HAVE A WORKSHOP. SO, LET'S DO ANOTHER ONE. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE LET'S TAKE THIS THING AND MAKE IT INTO A WORKSHOP. INVITE THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD, ALL THE KEY PLAYERS. MAYBE DINNER AT BRETT'S OVER HERE. CITY CLERK IF WE CAN WORK IN A DATE FOR THAT?

>> WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE THE VISION WORKSHOP BEFORE THE NEXT.

IF YOU WANT TO STICK WITH TUESDAYS WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN BECAUSE ABOUT THE NEXT FIVE TUESDAYS ARE ACTUALLY ALREADY BOOKED WITH WORKSHOPS. MAYOR MILLER: DO YOU WANT TO DO THE DIVISIONING? I THINK A BIG PART OF THE DIVISION IS GOING TO

BE THE WATERFRONT >> IT IS A BIG DEAL.

MAYOR MILLER: OKAY. MR. ROSS, YOUR LITE IS ON. THERE'S NOTHING PRETTIER THAN AN EMPTY LIGHT [LAUGHTER] OKAY. ITEM 10.3. BEACH

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YOU COULD HAVE STARTED BUILDING THEM THE FIRST OF NOVEMBER AND THEY HAVE TO BE DONE BY THE 31ST OF MAY. I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE

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BECAUSE THAT'S IN THAT PACKAGE AND THAT INCLUDES THE CPI ONE.

THE OTHER ONE, YOU KNOW, THE SECOND ITEM WAS THE RFP FOR BEACH CLEANING. WHICH HAS BEEN AS CHIP SAID A YEAR. AND THAT'S TO BAD. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE LOSING A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE OF THAT. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET BEACH MONEY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET REIMBURSED. HOPEFULLY THEY'RE CLOSE TO BEING OUT. ON THE POSITIVE SIDE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN WORK WITH THE COUNTY. AND YOU CAN GET STUFF DONE. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE NEXT THING. YOU KNOW, ON THE 19TH OF SEPTEMBER THIS YEAR WE RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM THE COUNTY TO PROCEED -- FROM ACCOUNTING TO PROCEED WITH RFP AND SPECIFICS AND THE SCOPE FOR THE BEACH HABITAT CONSERVATION PLAN. I'M NOT GOING TO PUT IT UP BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO CHANGE A BIT. WE SHOULD HAVE THE ON THE STREET BY THIS 30TH OF THE MONTH. THE POINT IS WE TOOK THE LEAD AND THEY ALLOWED US TO DO THAT. WHICH MEANS THE LAST ONE THE BEACH CONSERVATION PLAN. WE MET WITH U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE YESTERDAY. TAMMY SENT OUT A MEMO ABOUT THE ISSUE OF PERMIT AND ALL THOSE ISSUES. WE SHOULD HAVE THE PROPOSAL OUT THE 20TH.

SELECTION COMMITTEE WILL BE TWO CITY, TWO COUNTY AND ONE OTHER PERSON. BUT FUNDING IS GOING TO BE -- I'M GOING TO ASK THROUGH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN TO REPURPOSE $55,000 WHICH IS FROM THE $126,000 WHICH WE GOT THE CIP FROM WHICH IS EXTRA OR OVER MONEY. IT WAS A DUPLICATION. WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE TDC FOR $100,000 AND ASK THE COUNTY AND WE'RE ALMOST ASSURED OF A GRANT FROM U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE. TWO OR THREE YEAR PROCESS. BUT WE'LL DO MITIGATION THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. THAT'S ALL I GOT.

MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS? COMMISSIONER ROSS: I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU TO HELP ME OUT. BASICALLY THE PERMIT IS A LICENSE TO KILL. IT IS A LICENSE TO KILL. AND SO WHY -- WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS -- BECAUSE BASICALLY WHY DO I SAY THAT? BECAUSE IT SAYS YOU CAN KILL THESE SEA TURTLES AND IT'S LEGAL. LET ME FINISH. IN THE CASE OF ALUCIA VERSUS THE TURTLE PEOPLE AND THE TURTLE VERSUS ALUCIA, THE TURTLE PEOPLE ARE AGAINST COMING UP WITH THIS PLAN. BECAUSE THEY FELT THAT THERE WAS JUST CIRCUMVENTING THE WHOLE SYSTEM AND GRANTING THESE PERMITS. THEY DIDN'T WANT THE PERMIT. YOU GO BACK TO THE 1994 AND READ WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE TIME AND READ THE ACTUAL BRIEFS. SO THEY WERE OPPOSED TO IT. SO, FAST FORWARD, THAT'S FINE. BUT MY QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE WAITING TWO TO THREE YEARS TO START IMPLEMENTING OR COMING UP WITH THE PLANS THAT WE KNOW THAT WILL DECREASE THE DEATH OF TURTLES? WHY AREN'T WE WORKING ON THAT? YOU HAD A GOOD -- GOT DEFEATED 2-3 YEARS AGO. WHY AREN'T WE BRINGING THAT BACK UP? WHY AREN'T WE WORKING ON A PLAN WITH THE CITY WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS INCIDENTAL TAKE PERMIT. I AM OPPOSED TO PAYING FOR IT. I THINK THE COUNTY SHOULD. WHY ARE WE NOT WORKING ON DOING THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO PREVENT THE QUOTE INCIDENTAL TAKING. VICE MAYOR KREGER: WE ARE. THIS IS VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE WHEN THE COUNTY BASICALLY MADE THE COMMITMENT THEY WERE IN AND THREE WEEKS -- I TOLD THEM WEEKS AND WE HAD THE SCOPE IN THREE WEEKS. THE PROCESS ITSELF -- THIS GOES TO CONGRESS. I MEAN, IT GOES WASHINGTON, D.C. THE PROCESS ITSELF -- AND IT'S INCIDENTAL TAKE IS -- ALLOWS TAKE WHICH CAN BE KILLED BUT IT CAN BE HARASSMENT. HARASSMENT OF NESTING AREAS. SO, WHAT HAPPENS IS DURING THAT WHOLE PROCESS MY RESPONSE WAS, HE SAYS IT TAKES A LONG TIME. I SAID IT

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VICE MAYOR KREGER: WE HAVE A POLICY FROM 2012. A RESOLUTION.

WE HAVE ALL OF THE DATA. BUT PEOPLE AREN'T DOING IT. SO, WE'RE GOING WORK ON THAT AS WE WORK THROUGH IT. ARE WE GOOD? MAYOR MILLER: YOUR GOOD. CITY MANAGER REPORT?

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>> THANK YOU. I WILL BE IN [INAUDIBLE] ON THURSDAY FOR CITY MANAGER SYMPOSIUM. IRONICALLY THE TOPIC IS WHAT KEEPS CITY MANAGERS UP AT NIGHT [LAUGHTER] THE VETERANS PARADE IS SCHEDULED FOR SATURDAY AT 11:00. THAT SAME EVENING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AWARDS AT THE GOLF COURSE AT 6:30 P.M. AND CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED MONDAY IN CELEBRATION OF ACTUAL VETERAN'S DAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? COMMISSIONER ROSS: I DO. I TAKE IT THE STATUS OF THE PHASE II BOARDWALK AT MAIN STREET IS GOING BE BID NEXT WEEK. WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS HAVE THE COMMISSIONER: REQUESTING THE TDC TO FUND THAT PROJECT INSTEAD OF IMPACT FEES WHICH IS WHERE IT WAS GOING TO COME FROM. I TALKED TO GILL AND HE SAID I WOULD SUPPORT THE FUNDING IF THE CITY MADE THE REQUEST BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE THE REQUEST BEFORE WE ACTUALLY AWARD THE MONEY.

SO, IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS I WOULD -- IF ANYBODY'S OPPOSED TO IT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY. OTHERWISE IF WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH REQUESTING THAT FUNDED BY THE TDC.

MAYOR MILLER: I DON'T THINK WE NEED A CONSENSUS.

VICE MAYOR KREGER: WELL I ASKED TO DO THAT LAST YEAR.

MAYOR MILLER: I THINK MOVING FORWARD ANY TIME THERE'S A ASK THE TDC TO GIVE US MONEY WE WON'T NEED A CONSENSUS.

VICE MAYOR KREGER: THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE EVER ASKED HIM FOR MONEY AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOREVER. WE NEED TO ASK THEM FOR MONEY. MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU. AT OUR MEETING ON MONDAY, DALE, YOU HAD SAID THAT AMELIA BLUFF CITY STAFF WAS GOING OUT TO MEET WITH MR. BEARD ON SITE. CAN YOU GIVE ME AN UPDATE OF

WHAT HAPPENED? >> I DON'T HAVE A DIRECT REPORT BUT I EXPECT THAT WE WILL HAVE A REPORT THAT'S BEEN VALIDATED BY BOTH THE DEVELOPER AND CITY STAFF BY THE END OF THIS WEEK.

COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH:. OKAY. THANK YOU.

MAYOR MILLER: IS THAT ALL YOU HAD SIR? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: YES, SIR.

MAYOR MILLER: CITY ATTORNEY? >> NO REPORTS.

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COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH OPA?

>> NOTHING. CRICKETS. I'VE SENT TWO EMAILS ASKING FOR -- MR. MARTIN AND I MET WITH MR. BRANHAM, THEIR ATTORNEY AND MR. STERGES THEIR CHAIR, AND WHAT WE ENDED THE MEETING WITH WAS ON THE ISSUES OF THE PILOT PAYMENT WE MADE A COUNTER PROPOSAL TO WHAT THEIR BOARD HAD VOTED ON WHICH, OF COURSE, THE OPA BOARD VOTED THAT THE PAYMENT SHOULD STOP AFTER 2020. PAY 19 AND 20. AS LONG AS THE CITY AGREED THAT WAS THE END OF THEIR OBLIGATION THEY WOULD PAY IT. OUR COUNTER OFFER WAS PAY IT FOR A YEAR AND THEN WE WILL WORK ON THE LEGALITY AND THE HISTORY AND OUR POSITION TO GET YOU UP TO SPEED ON THAT. AND I BELIEVE IT WAS MR. BRANHAM, DALE, YOU CAN CORRECT ME, SAID THEY WANTED OUR COMMISSION TO VOTE TO SAY WHAT THE COUNTER OFFER WAS. SO IT WAS DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD SEND US A LETTER THROUGH THEIR ATTORNEY AS TO WHAT THEIR BOARD ACTUALLY VOTED ON. WHICH WOULD BE AN OFFICIAL OFFER. AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT LETTER. I DID PROMPT LAST WEEK AGAIN MR. BRANHAM WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A LETTER. SO I HAVEN'T RECEIVED A LETTER.

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MAYOR MILLER: CITY CLERK? >> YES, SIR. THE 2020 GENERAL ELECTION ANNOUNCED CANDIDATES TO DATE. IN GROUP ONE MS. JA NICHE MEN CHI. THANK YOU FOR HANGING WITH US. AND MISS MARION PHILLIPS. GROUP ONE IS MAYOR MILLER'S SEAT AND MAYOR MILLER IS TERMING OUT. IN GROUP TOO IS COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN'S SEAT.

AND IN GROUP THREE INCUMBENT COMMISSIONER ROSS HAS ANNOUNCED

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MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU. MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER ROSS?

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AND WE NOW HAVE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE MARINA AND THE PARK DEPARTMENT TO FILL THE HOLES BEHIND THE BOARD WALK THEY KEEP FALLING IN. SO WE WON'T HAVE LITTLE STAKES THERE WITH FLAGS ON THEM BUT THEY'LL ACTUALLY BE FILLED IN. A SHOUT OUT TO OF THEM. AND FINALLY THE PA TONK TOURNAMENT IS THIS WEEKEND COMING UP. THERE WILL BE 178 TEAMS. A LOT FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND WORLD. I URGE YOU ALL TO GO DOWN AND SEE IT ON SATURDAY OR SUNDAY. PARTICULARLY THE FINAL ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON. WORLD CLASS PEOPLE PLAYING PA TONK. AND IT IS A FUN TIME. YOU CAN COME THROW PEBBLES AT ME BECAUSE I'LL BE PLAYING. THAT'S IT. MAYOR MILLER: THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN? COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN: I WANT TO START WITH AN EH ANNOUNCEMENT. I'M SOWED TO REPORT THAT KEVIN MCCARTHY HAS RESIGNED FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION DUE TO MULTIPLE PERSONAL FAMILY ISSUES. HIS REPLACEMENT WILL BE BENJAMIN MORRISON WHO IS LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. I'D LIKE TO THANK MARY HAMBURG, COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT HER KINDERGARTEN CLASS AND DO A LESSON ON WHY YOU DON'T LET BALLOONS GO. FOR A BRIEF MOMENT IT ALMOST MADE ME MISS TEACHING.

BUT IT WAS A BRIEF MOMENT. I WENT TO THE WRIGHT WHALE FESTIVAL. IT WAS PRETTY AWESOME. A LOT OF BOOTHS. A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION WAS AVAILABLE. I WANT TO WISH OUR MAYOR A BELATED BIRTHDAY. I MISSED IT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO WISH OUR CITY MANAGER A HAPPY BIRTHDAY. I BELIEVE IT'S SATURDAY. THE OTHER THING I THOUGHT OF AND HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY'S GOING TO REMEMBER THIS NEXT YEAR. I WAS SITTING AROUND TALKING AT CITY HALL ON HALLOWEEN. AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OUGHT TO DO SOMETHING HERE AT CITY HALL CALLED TRICK OR TRADE. GIVE EACH LITTLE KID A LITTLE TREE.

SAMPLING TREE. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT EDUCATIONAL THING.

SO I HOPE SOMEWHERE IN PEOPLE'S MINDS THEY REMEMBER THAT. I'VE ALREADY WRITTEN IT ON MY CALENDAR SO I DON'T FORGET. WE HAVE THEM COME DRESSED IN COSTUMES AND OPEN THE BAG AND WE'LL PUT A SAP LING WITH INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO TAKE IT HOME AND PLANT IT. MAYOR MILLER: COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH? COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: I WILL GIVE A NEGATIVE TO ADVANCE DISPOSAL WHO DIDN'T SHOW UP ON THE DAY FOR RECYCLING AND DIDN'T TELL ANYONE. SO MY CAN SAT OUT THERE FOR TWO DAYS INSTEAD OF ONE. AND ALSO WHEN THEY REPLACED THE CANS, THEY DON'T CARE WHETHER THEY'RE STANDING OR THEY FALL ON THE ROAD. SO THEY NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB. THE WRIGHT WHALE FESTIVAL WAS AWESOME. I THINK ALL OF US WERE THERE. AND IT WAS REALLY PRETTY SPECTACULAR. HOW MANY BOOTHS AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE. SO IT WAS JUST AN AWESOME EVENT AND A GREAT YEAR ONE. SO, CONGRATULATIONS MR. MAYOR FOR MAKING THAT HAPPEN. MAYOR MILLER: IT WAS A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE. THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONER LEDNOVICH: ALL THE

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MAYOR MILLER: VICE MAYOR KREGER? VICE MAYOR KREGER: I DON'T WANT TO BE REPETITIVE BUT WRIGHT WHALE WAS GREAT. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT VETERAN'S DAY IS THE 11TH. I AM IN CHICAGO. SO, JOHN IS GOING TO TAKE MY PARADE PLACE. I'LL BE IN THE BIG PARADE. NOT ONLY IS VETERANS DAY THE 11TH THE MARINE CORPS'S BIRTHDAY IS THE 10TH. MAYOR MILLER: GEORGIA-FLORIDA WE SURVIVED ANOTHER ONE. IT WAS GREAT. IT WAS GREAT TO SEE THE SAME FACES COME IN EVERY YEAR. THIS WHOLE TOWN TURNS RED AND BLACK. A LOT OF REPEAT PEOPLE COME BACK. IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SEE THEM AND IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. WRIGHT WHALE FESTIVAL FANTASTIC SUCCESS. BETTER THAN I THOUGHT. I HAD HIGH HOPES BUT THE WEATHER HELD OUT AND IT WAS A FANTASTIC TURNOUT. THE DIRECTORS AND THE VOLUNTEERS AND VENDORS WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FOR THE PAST 11 YEARS WERE NOT -- IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN ON PURPOSE BLOWING SMOKE BECAUSE THEY ALL SAID THE SAME THING DIFFERENT WAYS BUT THEY SAID THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE. THEY GOT SO MUCH OUTREACH FROM THE COMMUNITY AND INPUT FROM LOCAL RESIDENTS AND THE FEEDBACK THEY GOT FROM ED EDUCATIONAL ASPECT OF IT -- THE CHILDREN LEARNED A LOT.

JUST KIND OF MADE SENSE FOR THEM. ALSO TO THE CITY MANAGER.

ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SAID WITH THE LAST CITY THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THEY SAID WHENEVER THEY WENT TO THEM IT ALMOST SEEM LIKE -- IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THEY WERE VERY RECIPROCAL. THEY SAW THE EXACT OPPOSITE HERE. EVERY STAFF MEMBER THAT CAME IN CONTACT WITH US AND THE TDC WERE GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY TO HELP THEM. WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP YOU? WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? WHICH IS COMPLETELY CAUGHT THEM OFF GUARD AND THEY WERE EC ECSTATIC. I THINK IT IS A FIVE YEAR COMMITMENT BUT I THINK WE'LL SEE A LOT ARE MO THAN THAT. THAT WAS A HOME RUN.

VETERANS DAY YOU MENTIONED ON THAT DAY MR. ROBINS WHO IS THE PROPRIETOR AT THE COFFEE SHOP WHO IS AN ARMY VETERAN. HE AND I HVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER FOR THE PAST YEAR BUT MAINLY FOR QUITE A WHILE TRYING TO DO A MILITARY APPRECIATION DAY. I THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO DO A NAVY DAY BECAUSE WE'RE SO CLOSE TO ALL THE DIFFERENT BASES. BUT HAVE THEM DO A PARADE, INVOLVE THE BASES, DO SOME STATIC DISPLAYS, BRING A HELICOPTER INTO THE AIRPORT. HAVE A SEARCH AND RESCUE THING. AND SHOW THE GUY JUMPING OUT OF THE H60S AND LET THEM TOUCH SOME OF THE HUMVEES. THE MILITARY HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN GIVING SOME GUY TIS THE DAY OFF TO COME IN UNIFORM AND MARCH DOWN THE STREET BRINGING THE NAVY BAND AND WORK WITH LOCAL MERCHANTS.

IF YOU GIVE THEM A DISCOUNT IF THEY COME IN UNIFORM GIVE THEM A DEAL. AND SHOW THEM WE'RE AN OPEN COMMUNITY. WHEN YOU ARE IN A MILITARY CITY -- NORFOLK, SAN DIEGO -- YOU ARE NOT ALWAYS THE MOST WELCOME BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY OF YOU. OPEN IT UP FERNANDINA BEACH TO SAY THIS IS A SAFE PLACE TO COME. JUST LIKE THE RACQUETBALL FEST WE REALLY WANT YOU HERE. WHEN THEY'RE ON LEAVE AND THEIR SPOUSES ARE ON DEPLOYMENT THE DEPENDENTS CAN COME TO THE BEACH AND BE WELCOME. HE STARTED THAT OFF BY A SMALL EVENT BUT HOPEFULLY IT'S WELL ATTENDED AT THE POCKET PARK STARTING AT 10:00. WE'RE OPENING WITH A CEREMONY. THERE WILL BE COLOR GUARD, THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. WE'LL HAVE POKERS. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE MISSING MAN TABLE. ALL THE VETERANS IN NASSAU COUNTY WHO LOST THEIR LIVES IN ACTION ALL THEIR NAMES WILL BE READ. IT'S GOING TO VERY SOLEMN EVENT BUT ALSO VERY FRIENDLY. I HOPE TO SEE A GOOD TURNOUT. AGAIN THAT'S 10:00 ON VETERANS DAY PROPER AT THE POCKET PARK ON CENTER STREET NEXT TO THE COFFEE SHOP. I DID SEE THE PHOTOGRAPHS ON YOUR FACEBOOK POST FROM THE CITY'S PAGE OF YOU GUYS AT THE SCHOOL. I TELL YOU IT MADE MY DAY. SEEING YOU ON THE FLOOR WITH THOSE KIDS. NOT JUST THE KIDS BUT YOU BEING BACK IN A

CLASSROOM AND THE SHEER JOY. >> THIS GUY IS CRAZY ABOUT TEACHING. MAYOR MILLER: I'M SO GLAD YOU DID THAT. I'VE READ TO A COUPLE OF CLASSES AND THEY GET THE BIGGEST KICK. SEEING YOU SIT ON THAT FLOOR. I MEAN, YOUR FACE--

>> WE'RE ALREADY BOOKED FOR STRAW EDUCATION.

MAYOR MILLER: THAT'S GREAT. TUESDAYS AND WEDNESDAYS YOU GOT ME ON MY DAYS OFF. THAT WAS FANTASTIC. I LIKE THE STRAW THING TOO. I THINK I MENTIONED BEFORE LATER NEXT WEEK I'LL BE TRAVELING TO WASHINGTON, D.C. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH TAIDES O SENATOR RUBIO'S OFFICE AND CONGRESSMAN RUTHERFORD TO GET FACE TIME. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ISSUES. I'M WORKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND OUR LOBBYIST. ONE IS THE FEMA

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THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY. IT'S A HARD TO BELIEVE NO ONE HAS APPROACHED BEING ABLE TO SEND THINGS TO MILITARY BASES TO GET A POSTAL REDUCTION. THE U.S. POSTAL SERVICE IS GOING TO U.S.

TROOPS. SO THEY DID RESEARCH AND NOBODY APPARENTLY HAS APPROACHED US WITH A BILL. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING -- ESPECIALLY TIMES LIKE THIS A BIPARTISAN BILL OR SOMETHING WE COULD PUT FORWARD TO ALLOW THAT TO BE MORE COST ALLOWABLE. NOT SPEND THE MONEY THEY'RE RAISING ON SHIPPING WHICH IS ALMOST -- I WANT TO SAY IT'S ALMOST HALF OF WHAT THEY HAVE TO SPEND. AND PUT IT TO THE RIGHT WAY. SO, HOPEFULLY THAT CAN TURN INTO SOMETHING THAT STARTED HERE IN FERNANDINA. SO THAT'S ON THE TABLE. ALSO WE ARE GOING TO TUCK ABOUT THE POST OFFICE. I'M GOING GET TOGETHER WITH DALE. IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING THEY WANT TO BRING FORWARD, IT WILL BE NOT A VERY LONG MEETING I EXPECT, BUT I WANT TO HIT HIM WITH A COUPLE OF POINTS, DO A COUPLE OF PHOTO-OPS THEN WE'LL DO SOME SOCIAL MEDIA STUFF AND THANK THEM FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND I GUESS THAT'S IT. I JUST WANT TO CLOSE WITH YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THINGS THAT KEEP CITY MANAGERS UP AT NIGHT. I HEARD AN INTERESTING QUOTE ON "60 MINUTES." THEY WERE INTERVIEWING MAD DOG MAD US. THEY ASKED WHEN YOU WERE DOING THE JOB IN CHARGE OF THE MILITARY WHAT KEPT YOU UP AT NIGHT. HE SAID MY JOB KEPT OTHER PEOPLE UP AT NIGHT. I SLEPT LIKE A BABY [LAUGHTER] THAT TO ME IS

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