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>>> WELCOME FOLKS. GO AHEAD AND CALL TO ORDER AT THIS TIME.
THIS IS THE FERNANDINA BEACH CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP. IT IS NOVEMBER 5TH, 4:00 P.M.
MADAM CLERK CALL THE ROLL. >> MAYOR MILLER. >> HERE.
>> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN. >> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.
>> HERE. >> IF WE WOULD ALL PLEASE RISE AND PLEDGE EALLEGIANCE.
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PRESENTATION. THIS IS ITEM 4.1, A PRESENTATION BY THE CITY BUILDING DEPARTMENT.THE PROPOSED FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE LANGUAGE AND CHANGES BY MR. DEL SCHWALLS.
SO WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH FOR HAVING US AND EVERYONE HERE. ALL RIGHT.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR TO -- MY NAME IS DEL SCHWALLS, ORLANDO, FLORIDA.
THIS IS SIMILAR TO PREVIOUS WORKSHOP WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE PREBOARD AND THE .2% AND THE FLOODPLAIN. S SIMSIMILAR FORMAT.
THIS IS THE WORKSHOP. WE'LL WALK THROUGH THE ORDINANCE.
AND DISCUSS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT COME UP WITH THAT.
DEFINITELY WANT TO REFERENCE THE CITY STAFF WORKING ON THIS TO THE FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE WORKING ON ABOUT 18 MONTHS OR CLOSE TO TWO YEARS. AND GOING TO SHOW AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, SEWER DEPARTMENT ALL WORKING TOGETHER AND WE NEED TO CONSULTANT -- WE USE ADD CONSULTANT TO COME TOGETHER AND IDENTIFY THE CITY'S NEEDS AND THE WAYS TO ADDRESS FLOOD RESILIENCE SEE IN THE CITY. SO WE'LL GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE LANGUAGE AND THE CHANGES. SO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING AND SOME OF THE PREVIOUS LANGUAGE WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING ABOUT SOME OF THE CHANGES. WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THE Q AND A DOCUMENT THAT IS BASED ON THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME IN THROUGH CONSTITUENT AND THE ANSWERS TO SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS. AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO OPEN Q AND A FROM CONSTITUENTS ON THE TOPIC. I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE PRESENTATION AS WELL.
SO ANY OPEN DIALOGUE FROM CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THE TOPIC. SO IN GENERAL, AND THE FIRST RESPONSE IS GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD THE FLOOD ORDINANCE ON PREBOARD AND .2% FLOOD LINE. IT IS REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THE FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE IS TO ACTUALLY REDUCE FLOOD DAMAGE IN THE CITY. SO TO IDENTIFY WHAT AREAS NEED TO BE PROTECTED FROM THE RISK THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED TO WHAT LEVEL OF PROTECTION IS EFFECTIVE. AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT DURING THE EVENT OF A STAR, HOW DO WE ACTUALLY RECOVER FROM THAT, HOW DO WE PROTECT DEVELOPMENT FROM FUTURE DISASTERS. BECAUSE BECAUSE ON A BARRIER ISLAND THE QUESTION IS NOT IF WE GET FLOODED, IT IS WHEN. WE'RE CALLED A BARRIER ISLAND FOR A REASON BECAUSE WE'RE A BARRIER FOR THE INLAND. AND SO WHEN THAT STORM COMES, WHETHER IT BE RAIN FALL DRIVEN OR WIND DRIVEN OR STORM SURGE DRIVEN, THERE'S GOING TO BE DAMAGE.
SO HOW DO WE PREPARE FOR THAT AND PROTECT ACCORDINGLY. NOW, THE FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE IS BROKEN INTO THREE DIFFERENT PIECES. NUMBER ONE IS MINIMUM FEDERAL AND FIP REGULATIONS. THE SCITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH I REQUIRED BY LAW TO ADOPT AND ENFORCE REGULATIONS AS CONDITION PARTICIPATING IN THE NF550. WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE OF THAT.
EVERY COMMUNITY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA EXCEPT FOR EIGHT EXPECT AN FIP.
THERE ARE OVER 20,000 COUNTIES IN THE NATION THAT PARTICIPATE AND HAVE THE FIP REGULATIONS AS THEIR BARE MINIMUM. FEMA IS CLEAR THAT THE FIP REGULATIONS IS THE BARE MINIMUM.
IT STARTED AS AN INSURANCE PROGRAM TO PROVIDE COMMUNITIES WITH AFFORDABLE AND SUBSIDIZED INSURANCE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO FEMA'S IDEA BEFORE WE PROTECT YOU OR WRITE INSURANCE FOR YOUR PROPERTY WE NEED TO YOU MEET CERTAIN STANDARDS.
IT IS A BARE MINIMUM AND THEY DEFINITELY RECOMMEND HIGHER STANDARDS.
SO THE CITY'S FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE HAS THE FEDERAL MINIMUM REGULATIONS IN ADDITION A MINIMUM STATE AND FEDERAL BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS. SO THESE ARE REQUIRED AS WELL.
THESE ARE ANOTHER BARE MINIMUM BUT INSTITUTED BY THE STATE OF LAW.
AND THE LAST ONE, IS GOING TO BE HIGHER LOCAL STANDARDS. THE STANDARDS THAT ARE TAILORED FOR THE CITY ITSELF. THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE FEDERAL AND THE STATE MINIMUMS. THIS IS WHERE THE COMMUNITY SYSTEM COMES INTO PLAY.
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BECAUSE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM DOES NOT GIVE YOU ANY CREDIT FOR THE FEDERAL MINIMUMS. THEY DO GIVE CREDIT FOR THE FEDERAL STATE MINIMUMS. BUT BEYOND THAT, THE ONLY ADDITIONAL CREDIT FOR THE COMMUNITY EXISTENCE WOULD BE THROUGH HIGHER LOCAL STANDARDS, THE IDEA BEING IF YOU BUILD SAFER, THE FLOOD CLAIMS PAID OUT WILL BE LESS.SO THAT'S WHY WE GET DISCOUNT FLOOD INSURANCE. ONCE AGAIN, THE GOAL IS NOT TO GET THE HIGHER INSURANCE RATING OF THIS KIND OF FLOOD INSURANCE. THE GOAL IS TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY SAFER SO THE CARAT THAT FEMA PROVIDES IS THE PROGRAM.
WE'LL LOOK AT COUPLE OF TOPICS THE CRITICAL FACILITY IS JUST THE MAIN ONE AND FREE BOARD AS WELL BECAUSE A SECONDARY TOPIC WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY.
WE TALKED ABOUT FREE BOARDING IN THE LAST TOPIC AS WELL AS, BUT AS IT RELATES TO SOME OF THE TOPICS WE DISCUSS WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT TOO. NOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OF TERMS I'LL RUN THROUGH. I KNOW LAST TIME THERE WERE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP ABOUT SOME OF THE TERMS. SO FLORIDA BUILDING CODE THIS THE STATE BUILDING CODE WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH IT. THE DESIGN FLASK. THIS IS A CATEGORY FOR EACH BUILDING DESIGNATED BY SOME FEDERAL GUIDANCE DOCUMENTS. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THOSE.
AMERICAN ASCE, WE'LL BE REFERENCING ASCE, AMERICAN SITING OF CIVIL ENGINEERS.
THESE ARE THE FEDERAL -- THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION THAT ACTUALLY DEVELOPS, DESIGN DOCUMENTS FOR BUILDINGS IN THE FLOODPLAIN AND BEYOND. A LOT OF GUIDANCE BY THE CODE AND BY FEMA. THE 100 YEAR FOIL -- IT IS NOT A FLOOD HA HAPPENS EVERY 100 YEARS BUT A CHANCE OF HAPPENING EVERY YEAR. WE TALK ABOUT THE FEMA FLOOD MAPS THIS IS THE AREA THAT IS MAPPED, THIS IS IDENTIFIED AS A RISK OF HAVING A FLOOD OCCUR AT LEAST 1% CHANCE EVERY YEAR. NOW, THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA IS THE AREA MAPPED BY THAT.
THIS IS THE FLOODPLAIN. IN GENERAL TALKING ABOUT THE FLOO FLOODPLAIN, THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA. YOUR HOEFL HIGH HAZARD AREAS.
YOUR FLOODPLAINS THAT WILL HAVE WAVES THREE FEET OR HIGHER, YOUR B ZONES OR BE ZONES COASTAL AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE HIGHER WAVES. RECENTLY WE HAD COASTAL A ZONES THE MODERATE WAVE ACTION ADDED TO CITY'S MAPS TO THE COUNTY'S MAPS.
AND THE BUILDING CODE SAYS THEY'RE ON THE MAP. THEN YOU HAVE A COASTAL A ZONE.
AND THIS IS THE AREA WHERE IT IS GOING TO BE EXPECTED TO BE A FOOT AND A HALF TO THREE FEET HIGH. SO THESE ARE THE TERMS WE'LL BE USING AND BOUNCING AROUND WITH TODAY. AND THEN OF COURSE THE .2 ANNUAL %.
2 .% ANNUAL FLOOD HAZARD THIS IS THE 500 YEAR, THE X SHADED AREA. SO THOSE ARE TERMS I'LL BE HITTING TONIGHT. NOW, IN THE CRITICAL FACILITIES LANGUAGE, THERE'S TWO CHANGES WE'RE MAKING TWO CHANGES ONLY. WE'RE DEFINING THE CRITICAL FACILITIES.
AND WE'RE GOING -- WE'RE ADDING A REGULATION TO HOW THEY'RE ALLOWED, WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED.
SO I'M GOING TO STEP INTO THE DEFINITION AND THEN COME BACK TO THIS LANGUAGE.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO CHANGES RELATED TO CRITICAL FACILITIES THAT WERE MADE.
NOW THE DEFINITION. THIS IS A REALLY LONG LENGTHY DEFINITION THAT HAS COME UP AND IT HAS BEEN REVISED WITH INPUT FROM COMMUNITY OFFICIALS OR COMMISSIONERS AND SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS. AND THIS LANGUAGE HAS BEEN TAILORED TO COME DIRECTLY FROM THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AND ASCE DOCUMENTS. SO THIS LANGUAGE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CAME UP WITH. IT IS REFERENCED DIRECTLY FROM THOSE OTHER DOCUMENTS. ORIGINALLY THE LANGUAGE -- THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WELL, THE LANGUAGE SEEMS VAGUE AND HOW DO YOU DEFINE THIS AND HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT? SO WE ACTUALLY REFRAMED THE LANGUAGE TO BE ALMOST WORD FOR WORD WHAT IS IN THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTS WE'RE REFERENCING. SO LET'S WALK THROUGH IT. WHAT DOES IT MEAN? CRITICAL FACILITY. WELL, IT MEANS A FACILITY THAT POSES A HIGH RISK TO THE PUBLIC OR SIGNIFICANT DISRUPTION TO THE COMMUNITY. SHOULD IT BE DAMAGED.
SO LOOKING AT WHAT KIND OF FACILITIES, IF THEY'RE DAMAGED BY A FLOOD, THERE'S A RISK TO THE COMMUNITY. OR BE UNABLE TO PERFORM ITS FUNCTIONS AFTER FLOODING, OR FAIL DUE TO FLOODING. SO THIS WOULD BE ANYTHING LIKE EMERGENCY RESPONSE FACILITIES, OR -- ANY -- A SCHOOL, ANY FACILITY THAT HOUSED A LOT OF PEOPLE DURING A PUBLIC TIME.
BECAUSE IF THEY'RE DAMAGED DURING A FLOOD THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT RISK TO THE COMMUNITY. YOU PUT A DAY CARE IN THE FLOODPLAIN AND IT IS FLOODED THERE'S A RISK TO THE KIDS IN THAT DAY CARE. IF WE NEED THE HOSPITAL TO BE WORKING DURING THE FLOOD AND IT CAN'T BECAUSE IT IS FLOODED, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT RISK TO THE COMMUNITY. IF THERE'S A CHEMICAL PLANT AND IT GETS FLOODED AND THE CHEMICAL
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IS DISCHARGED INTO THE FLOOD WATERS, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT RISK TO THE COMMUNITY.SO THIS WALKS THROUGH THE HIGH RISK AND THEN IT REFERENCES THAT CONTAIN ESSENTIAL FACILITIES NECESSARY FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND RECOVERY. SO I TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE WHERE IT REPEATS ITSELF AGAIN. SO THE FIRST PART SAYS HIGH RISK. AND THE SECOND PART SAYS SUBSTANTIAL RISK.
AND THESE ARE -- THIS LANGUAGE COMES DIRECTLY FROM ASCE'S DOCUMENTS.
AND YOU'LL SEE HERE, WE'VE GOT DAMAGED, UNABLE TO PERFORM, AND THEN FAILURE TO FLOODING UNDER THE HIGH RISK AREA AND THE LAST ONE FLIPS THOSE. FAILURE, DISRUPTION OF FUNCTION OR DAMAGE BY FLOODING. I DON'T KNOW WHY ASCE FLIPS THEM.
BUT WE WANTED TO MODEL IT AFTER THEIR DOCUMENT. THEY INVERT THEM SO WE DID AS
WELL TO BE CONSISTENT. >>> NOW THAT'S A GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF WHAT OUR FACILITY IS. AND THE WHY OF IT. THEN IT GOES INTO SPECIFICS.
CRITICAL FACILITIES ARE THOSE BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES, ASSIGNED FLOOD DESIGN CLASS THREE AND FLOOD DESIGN CLASS FOUR, PER THE BUILDING FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
THOSE ARE THE CLASSES OF CRITICAL FACILITIES BECAUSE THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE SAYS SO.
AND IT REFERENCES THESE THROUGH ASCE24. AND THEN IT GIVES A RUNNING LIST, NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST BUT ADDED SOME OF THE TYPICAL ITEMS, SCHOOLS AND DAY CARE, NURSING HOME AND HOSPITALS, POLICE FIRE AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE FACILITIES. AND THEN FACILITIES THAT MANUFACTURER, PROCESS, HANDLE, STORE, USE OR DISPOSE OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS OR HAZARDOUS WASTE. ONCE AGAIN, EACH OF THESE PHRASES ARE DIRECTLY FROM A ASCE24. SO THE CITY IS NOT INVENTING THESE DEFINITIONS OR DESCRIPTIONS. WE'RE JUST REFERENCING A DOCUMENT, THE FEDERAL DOCUMENT THAT ACTUALLY CODIFIES THESE ALREADY. WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST REFERENCE THEM BECAUSE THAT WAS CREATING SOME CONFUSION BEFORE AS FAR AS JUST DIRECTING THEM TO FLOOD DESIGN CLASS THREE AND FOUR. SO GIVING SOME ITEMS, PULLING SOME FROM THE LIST, HELPS TO CLARIFY THE INFORMATION. NOW, WHY DO WE ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT FLOOD DESIGN CLASS THREE AND FOUR? AND THE QUESTION HAS COME UP, WHY ARE WE ADDING THE NEW REQUIREMENT TO THE CITY EVEN COMING UP WITH FLOOD DESIGN CLASS? WELL, WE'RE NOT. BECAUSE THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE ALREADY SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE THE FLOOD DESIGN CLASS FOR A BUILDING. IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH THIS ORDINANCE TODAY, THIS IS STILL A REQUIREMENT. BECAUSE IN SECTION 1603 IT SAYS ON YOUR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS YOU MUST GIVE FLOOD DESIGN DATA. AND IF THE BUILDING IS PARTLY IN THE FLOODPLAIN, IN WHOLE OR IN PART, IN THE FLOODPLAIN, THEN YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE ME SOME DESIGN INFORMATION AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO GIVE ME THE FLOOD DESIGN CLASS TO SIGN ACCORDING TO ASCE24. THIS IS CURRENTLY IN THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
SO EVERY PERMIT THAT COMES THROUGH, THAT CALLS UNDER THIS SECTION OF THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE MUST ASSIGN A FLOOD DESIGN CLASS TO THAT BUILDING. AND THIS IS EFFECTIVE AT LEAST AS OF JANUARY 1ST OF 2018. SO THIS IS NOT A NEW REQUIREMENT.
SO THESE FLOOD DESIGN CLASSES, ACCORDING TO SASCE24, BY REFERENCE THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE ADOPTS IT AS THE TECHNICAL STANDARD. THIS IS DOCUMENT THAT FEMA PUBLISHED BACK IN JULY OF 2015 WHICH SUMMARIZES THE KEY FLOOD COMPONENTS OF ASCE24.
NOW, ASCE24 IS A PUBLICATION BY ASCE. IT IS NOT A PUBLIC DOCUMENT.
IT IS -- YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY PURCHASE EITHER THE DIGITAL OR THE HARD COPY.
BUT IT IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO BE COMPLIED WITH. BUT THIS FEMA PUBLICATION SUMMARIZES THE KEY FLOOD COMPONENTS OF THAT DOCUMENT. BY PERMISSION, FROM ASCE24.
SO IT IS A GOOD REFERENCE. WE ACTUALLY HAVE COPIES OF THAT AS WELL IN THE BACK.
IF YOU WANT TO GRAB THIS IS A SIX PAGE DOCUMENT THAT WALKS THROUGH THE WHYS OF THIS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DESCRIPTION, IT TELLS YOU WHAT THE DOCUMENTS IS MEANT TO BE THAT IS REFERENCING THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODES AND THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE PULSE IT IN BY REFERENCE AS WELL. A SIX PAGE DOCUMENT THAT WALKS THROUGH THE SPECIFIC FLOOD RESISTANT MATERIAL CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS IN ASCE24. THIS IS KEY ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT. THIS IS THE TABLE ON THE LEFT. THAT WALKS THROUGH THE FLOOD DESIGN CLASSES. WHEN YOUR DESIGNATED A FLOOD DESIGN CLASS THESE ARE ELEVATIONS YOU MUST BUILD TO. AND THEN THIS REALLY LONG TABLE ON THE RIGHT DESCRIBES WHAT THE FLOOD DESIGN DEVICES ARE. SO ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS -- THE CITY IS NOT COMING UP WITH THESE DEFINITIONS. ASCE24 HAS THEM. BY REFERENCE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE PULSE THEM IN. THE TABLE ON THE RIGHT IS A SPECIFIC TABLE IN ASCE24.
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THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS COBBLED TOGETHER TABLE OF ABOUT 7 DIFFERENT TABLES FROM ASCE.THEY'RE SCATTERED DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AND WHAT TYPE OF BUILDING.
THIS IS A COMPILED VERSION. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE FLOOD DESIGN CLASSES.
THE FIRST ONE IS IT IS UNOCCUPIED BUILDINGS OR THEY POSE A MINIMAL RISK.
SO WE'RE TALKING SMALL STRUCTURES FOR PARKING, CERTAIN AGRICULTURAL STRUCTURES.
SOME SMALL MINOR STORAGE FACILITIES, WALKS YOU THROUGH THOSE.
FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 2. THOSE THAT POSES A MODERATE RISK.
SO MOST RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. AND THEN IT SAYS ANYTHING NOT A FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 1, 3 OR 4.
SO IT REFERENCES MOST RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS BUT IT PRECLUDES THAT FLOOD CLASSES 3 AND 4 AND 1 WIN. ANYTHING LEFT OVER CAN GO INTO 2. THESE ARE THE TWO DEFINED AS CRITICAL FACILITIES IN THE ORDINANCE. SO CLASS 3 WALKS THROUGH A LOT OF FACILITIES MOST OF THESE FOCUSED ON LARGE CAPACITIES OF PEOPLE. SO SCHOOLS SO SCHOOLS, ANYBODY AT RISK, THOSE -- HAZARDOUS FUELS AND CHEMICALS. IT WALKS THROUGH THROUGH THAT AREA, AND THEN IT REFERENCES AT THE END OF IT, IT SUCCEEDS A THRESHOLD ESTABLISHED BY THE AUTHORITY HAVING INJURED. SO THERE ARE ASCE 24 REFERENCES THE GUIDANCE THRESHOLD GOES FROM A CLASS 3 TO CLASS 4 AS FAR AS VOLUMES. IN ADDITION, THIS IS A CLASS 4.
SO THIS GOES INTO -- IT IS A LITTLE MORE SEVERE FACILITIES SO WHEREAS THE FIRST ONE MIGHT BE A SURGICAL FACILITY, IS A CLASS 3, A HOSPITAL WOULD BE A CLASS 4. WHERE YOU MAY HAVE A NONCRITICAL CLASS -- EMERGENCY FACILITY WOULD BE A CLASS 4. IT GOES A LITTLE MORE DETAILED HERE. IN TEND IT TALKS ABOUT THE THRESHOLD AS WELL FOR STORING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS AND MATERIALS, THIS WOULD BE A FACILITY THAT WOULD POSE A SIGNIFICANT RISK. IT ALSO CLARIFIES THAT THIS FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 4 - 4 -4 -- THERE WAS A CONSISTENCY THERE THAT -- WHAT GOES IN A FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 3 AND 4 IS NOT SUBJECTIVE. THERE'S A LIST HERE THAT'S DICTATED BY THE FLORI FLORIDA -- HOWEVER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, THERE'S A NOTE ON BOTH CLASS 3 AND CLASS 4 AND IT SAYS THAT BUILDINGS AND OTHER STRUCTURES CONTAINING TOXIC HIGHLY TOXIC OR SLOWS SIFSUBSTANCES -- EXPLOSIVE SUBSTANCES SHOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO ASSIGNMENT TO A LOWER FLOOD DESIGN CLASS IF IT COULD BE DEMONSTRATED TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE AUTHORITY HAVING INJURED OF THE CITY. BY HAZARDOUS ASSESSMENT AS DESCRIBED IN ASCE 7-10.
ASSOCIATED WITH THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH OTHER FLOOD DESIGN CLASS.
SO FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 3 AND 4 ARE CONCRETE. BUT IF A FACILITY CAN DEMONSTRATE UNDER ASCE 7 THAT YOU MADE THE REQUIREMENTS IT CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS A FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 2. THERE'S A LIST. AND THE ESSENTIAL SUMMARY OF IT IS, IF DURING THE MOST SEVERE FAILURE OF THE FACILITY, AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE FLOOD INUNDATION. IF ALL OF THE HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS CAN BE CONTAINED ON S SITE, THEN IT CAN BE EVALUATED FOR A FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 2.
AND THERE'S SOME OTHER REQUIREMENTS IN THERE AS WELL. BUT IT SPELLS OUT EXACTLY WHAT HAS TO BE MET IN ORDER FOR THAT TO GO FROM A FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 4 OR 3 TO A CLASS 2.
SO ONCE AGAIN, THE CITY IS ONE WHO REVIEWS THAT CHECKLIST AND THAT REPORT.
BUT THE CITY DOESN'T MAKE THE STANDARDS FOR WHAT CAN QUALIFY FOR FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 2.
THEY JUST CHECK THE STANDARDS. SO ALL OF THIS IS OUR -- WE'VE WALKED THROUGH THIS.
IT IS A LOT OF WORD, THERE'S A LOT OF HANGING THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCES.
CURRENTLY TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE AREAS IN THE CITY THAT FALL IN THOSE CATEGORIES.
THIS IS CURRENTLY REQUIRED IN THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE. THIS TABLE THAT I SHOWED BASICALLY TRANSLATES TO THIS LIST HERE. AS FAR AS WHICH BUILDINGS HAVE TO BUILD TO WHICH FLOOD ELEVATIONS. SO IF I WERE TO -- THAT IS NOT
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CODIFIED ANYWHERE BUT IN THIS TABLE. IF WE WERE TO COD PHI IT, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS, THIS IS THE BARE MINIMUM TODAY FOR THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE 4 FLOOD DESIGN CLASS BUILDINGS. AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME ARE THE B PLUS ONE FOOT, SOME ARE PLUS TWO FEET. SOME ARE 2 FEET OR FOUR TO 500 YEAR.APPLYING THE EXTRA FOOT WE DID IN THE FREEPORT, THIS PARAGRAPH TRANSLATES TO THIS.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE TALK ABOUT THE LAST WORKSHOP AS FAR AS FREE BOARD GOES.
SO THE POINT OF THE FREE BOARD THAT WE'RE ADDING IS TO GO 1 FOOT ABOVE THE BARE MINIMUM.
THIS IS THE BARE MINIMUM, ACCORDING TO STATE NOW, AND WE'RE GOING A FOOT ABOVE THAT.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF IF THIS AND THAT AND CONFUSION THAT IS PRETTY COMPLICATED SCENARIO HERE. SO THE ONE WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS SIMPLIFIED VERSION THE CLASS 3S GET LOGGED TOGETHER IN ONE CATEGORY. THE NUANCE HERE IS ADDING 500 YEAR FOOT ELEVATION OR 3 FOOT ABOVE IF BSE WHICHEVER IS HIGHER.
AND IN THE CITY, A FOOT MOST AREAS OF 100 YEAR. 500 YEAR NOT GOING TO COME INTO PLAY FOR MOST SCENARIOS. THAT DOESN'T REALLY ADD TO FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 3 ELEVATIONS.
SO IT STREAM LINES IT A LITTLE BIT. SO THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION.
OF THE FREE BOARD THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR THE FLOOD DESIGN CLASSES WHICH ARE TO PLOT ANY AND ALL CRITICAL FACILITIES AND FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 1 AND 2. NOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR DI DIRECTLY CODIFIED FACILITIES. THIS IS LANGUAGE WE HAVE HERE NOW. ORIGINALLY WE HAD -- SO WE'VE GOT SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE NEW CRITICAL FACILITIES AND THEN AN EXCEPTION. NOW ORIGINALLY THIS WAS THE ONLY LANGUAGE WE HAD. WE SAID CRITICAL FACILITIES SHOULD BE LOOKING AT OUTSIDE OF THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA AND OUTSIDE OF 0.2% OF THE ANNUAL HAZARD AREA.
THERE WAS A CLAUSE IN THERE THAT SAID, IF FEASIBLE. AND SO THAT LEFT SOME VAGUENESS IN THE CATEGORY. SO ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE HAD ABOUT THE FEEDBACK WE HAD WAS IF WE HAD EXISTING FACILITIES IN THE FLOODPLAIN IN THE CITY, THIS WOULD POSSIBLY REQUIRE US TO CLOSE OPERATIONS BECAUSE IF WE WERE SIGNIFICANTLY DAMAGED OR NEEDED TO ADD OR IMPROVE WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO SO. SO WE CHANGED THEIR LANGUAGE TO ELIMINATE ANY NEW CRITICAL FACILITIES SO THERE'S AN EXISTING PROPERTY OR PARCEL THAT DOES NOT TODAY HAVE ANY CRITICAL FACILITIES NOTHING FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 3 OR 4, IT CANNOT BE ANY NEW FACILITIESED IN THE FLOODPLAIN. OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN IS FINE.
BUT NOWHERE IN 100 YEAR OR 500 YEAR CAN YOU ADD NEW FACILITIES ON PROPERTY THAT DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE FACILITIES. HOWEVER, THE EXCEPTION SAYS, THAT IF YOU HAVE NEW CRITICAL FACILITIES WITHIN THE FLO FLOODPLAIN, OWNED PROPERTIES WOULD EXIST IN CRITICAL FACILITIES. SO IF YOU'VE GOT AN EXISTING PARCEL THAT HAS A FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 3 OR 4 BUILDING, YOU SHALL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THESE SECTIONS.
SO YOU CAN BUILD NEW BUILDINGS THERE. >> BUT YOU HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SECTIONS. WHICH IS THAT PARAGRAPH. SO IF YOU HAVE EXISTING FACILITIES, YOU CAN IMPROVE THEM OR ADD ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS ON THOSE PROPERTIES AND YOU JUST MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FREE BOARD THAT WE ESTABLISHED. THERE'S NO PROHIBITION FOR NEW BUILDINGS. IT IS JUST BRAND NEW FACILITIES THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN THE FLOODPLAIN. SO THIS WAS A -- A WAY THAT WE ADDRESSED SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD. BUT THE REQUIREMENT FROM FROM THE MOST EXISTING ONES WOULD BE BASICALLY JUST BE THIS FREE BOARD. SO YOU HAVE TO BUILD TO CERTAIN ELEVATION. NOW, PART OF THE LANGUAGE FOR THE EXCEPTION AND THIS GETS DOWN IN THE WEEDS TO A GOOD DEAL. SINCE FACILITIES ASSIGNED THESE TYPES OF FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 3 AND THESE TYPE OF FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 4 SHALL HAVE ACCESS ROOTS ELEVATED ABOVE THE FLOOD ELEVATION TO THE EXTENT THESE -- THESE ARE ALL OF YOUR EMERGENCY FACILITIES OR FACILITIES THAT WOULD HAVE PEOPLE IN THEM OR WOULD NEED ACCESS.
SO A HOSPITAL, NURSING HOME, DAY KC CARE, POLICE STATION.
SO AS YOU'RE BUILDING NEW ROADS OR ACCESS ROOTS INTO THESE FACILITIES, THE IDEA IS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A WAY TO GET IN AND OUT DURING A FLOOD. BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T GET IN AND OUT OF THE HOSPITAL DURING A FLOOD, THEN THERE'S AN ISSUE. IF YOU CAN'T GET A NURSING HOME EVACUATED DURING A FLOOD, THEN THERE'S AN ISSUE. BUT THESE ARE ALSO ONLY APPLIED TO BUILDINGS THAT ARE EXISTING. THAT ARE ADDING ADDITIONAL FACILITIES.
SO IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING NURSING HOME AND YOU ADD A BUILDING BUT THERE'S NO NEW ACCESS ROUTES, THEN THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE TO YOU BUILD NEW ACCESS ROUTES.
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IT JUST SAYS TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE, HAVE THEM ELEVATED. >>> THIS LAST CATEGORY FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 3 TYPE 11 AND 8 THESE ARE YOUR FACILITIES THAT STORE CHEMICALS AND HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. SO THESE IT CASE TO INCLUDE MEASURES TO ENSURE TOXIC SUBSTANCES WILL NOT BE DISPLACED OR RELEASED. WHICH MOST OF THE REGULATIONS ALREADY ENSURE AND REQUIRE THIS ANY WAY. SO THIS JUST AN -- AN ADDITIONAL CLAUSE IN THE REGULATIONS TO CLARIFY THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE PLAN.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO CHANGES WE'RE MAKING. I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH THE QUESTIONS WE'VE GOTTEN AND THE ANSWERS TO SOME OF THOSE AND THAT WILL WRAP IT UP.
WE OF COURSE HAVE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO THIS ONE. AND THE ACTUAL Q AND A DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE THE LATEST AND GREATEST IS THERE'S COPIES OF IT AS WELL.
>> WAITING FOR YOU -- >> OKAY. SORRY.
THE E-MAIL IS NOT -- HAS NOT COME THROUGH. BUT WE'LL HAVE A COPY OF THOSE PRINTED BEFORE THE END OF THOSE WILL BE E-MAILED AS WELL OUT AND THAT'S A RUNNING DOCUMENT.
IT IS BEING UPDATED. EVERY TIME WE GET A QUESTION IN, IT IS BEING UPDATED ACCORDINGLY.
I'LL BE SURE WE'LL UPDATE AFTER TONIGHT'S MEETING AS WELL. SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME IN, ARE THERE ARE VARIOUS CRS ACTIVITIES WHY ARE WE -- CAN THE CITY -- CAN'T THE CITY GET OTHER POINTS BESIDES REGULATING FACILITIES? WELL, YES, THE CITY CAN.
BUT THE GOAL OF THE FLOOD ORDINANCE IS NOT TO -- IT IS NOT THE GOAL.
IT IS TO PROTECT THE LIFE PROPERTY AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO REGULATING THE FACILITIES TO THIS LEVEL IS THE INTENT. THE BONUS, THE ADDED BENEFIT IS ARE THE CRS POINTS. AND IF THERE ARE OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT THE CITY CAN GET C C CRS POINTS FOR THAT BENEFIT THE SPEAK, THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL POINTS THE CITY WOULD GARNER, IT WOULD NOT BE A SWAP BECAUSE THIS IS RECOMMENDED AS A VALUABLE PROTECTION FOR THE CITY. WHY IS THE CITY ADDING A REQUIREMENT TO DETERMINE THE FLOOD CLASS OF BUILDINGS? WE'RE NOT IT IS ALREADY IN THE BUILDING CODE. IT IS PART OF IT. THE ONLY IMPACT WOULD BE THAT THERE'S AN ACTUAL -- THERE'S AN EXTRA FOOT ABOVE THE MINIMUM TO THIS DAY.
>>> THIS IS A QUESTION ABOUT ALL OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES WITHIN THE CITY THAT REQUIRING THEM TO RELOCATE OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN DURING SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT OR PROHIBITING NEW BUILDINGS TO BASICALLY SHUTTING DOWN FACILITIES. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ACTUALLY GATHERED US TO CHANGE AND ADD THE EXCEPTION. SO ANY EXISTING FACILITIES WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED BY THE -- NO NEW FACILITIES PROHIBITION. THEY WOULD JUST COMPLY WITH THE ADDITIONAL FREE BOARD REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS ONCE AGAIN A LANGUAGE QUESTION THAT REFERENCES SOME OF THE OLDER LANGUAGE. ORIGINALLY CAME IN FROM THE STATE A FACILITY FOR WHICH EVEN A SLIGHT CHANCE OF FLOODING MIGHT BE TOO GREAT.
THE QUESTION WAS, WELL, THAT SOUNDS VAGUE. SO WE WENT BACK TO THE STATE AND ASKED WHERE THIS CAME FROM. AND IT WAS AN INTERPRET -- IT WAS STANDARD LANGUAGE THAT THEY USED A LOT OF COMMUNITIES AND HAS BEEN APPROVED BY FEMA AND THE BUILDING OFFICIALS.
BUT WE WANTED SOMETHING MORE CONCRETE AND DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE SOURCE.
WHICH IS WHY WE REVISED THE DEFINITION TO BE FROM ASCE 24. THE QUESTIONS WAS ALL OF THE FACILITIES YOU LISTED SEEMED TO BE UNRELATED AND SOME OF THEM ARE.
BUT THE RHYME AND REASON BEHIND THEM ARE THE DEFINITIONS OF FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 3 AND 4.
ONCE AGAIN, THERE'S PEOPLE AT RISK OR THERE ARE -- MATERIALS ARE FACILITIES THAT -- IF THEY FLOOD, WOULD BE AN ISSUE. WELL, THIS HAPPENED LAST TIME TOO.
I'M GOING TO RESTART HERE. NOT FROM THE BEGINNING. ALL RIGHT.
SO ONCE AGAIN, WE REVISED THAT LIST TO BE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR AS TO WHERE THIS INFORMATION WAS COME FROM. AND I REALIZE THESE ARE A LOT OF WORDS.
THESE ARE IN THE Q AND A DOCUMENT. WE TRIED TO CAPTURE THE QUESTIONS AS THEY WERE COMING IN IN WRITING WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T MISINTERPRETING SOMEONE'S WRITING. SO THEY'RE WRITTEN OUT IN Q AND A DOCUMENT.
THE LAST QUESTION, THIS A IS A BIG, WHY DO THE PROPOSAL OF THE FACILITIES CONSIDER ALL OF THE LITIGATION BEING DONE, EVACUATION PLANS THE ABILITY TO CONTROL AND CONTAIN CHEMICALS? THE REASON IS BECAUSE THE BUILDING CODE DOESN'T LET US. FLOOD DESIGN CLASS IS NOT BASED ON HOW PREPARED ARE YOU, IT IS BASED ON THE USE OF THE BUILDING.
SO IF I HAD A HOSPITAL THAT WAS ABLE TO EVACUATE ALL PATIENTS THREE DAYS BEFORE THE FLOOD, THERE'S STILL A FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 4. THE EVACUATION OF THE RESIDENTS AND THE PATIENTS DOESN'T CHANGE THE FLOOD DESIGN CLASS. THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE THE FLOOD
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DESIGN CLASS IS THROUGH THAT ASCE 7 DOCUMENT. AND THAT'S ONLY RELATED TO BUILDINGS THAT STORE CHEMICALS AND HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT ALLOWED TO CHANGE THOSE BASED ON MITIGATION PRACTICES. THIS ONCE AGAIN SAYS ADDING DEFINITION SEEMS TO BE EXCESSIVE BECAUSE WE'RE BEING -- THESE FACILITIES ARE REGULATED BY STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS. ONCE AGAIN THE FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS ARE FOCUSED ON MITIGATION AND OPERATIONS WITH THE FLOOD DESIGN CLASSES AND THE BUILDING CODE ARE PURELY BASED ON THE USE AND THE IDEA BEING THAT THESE FACILITIES GOING INTO THE FL FLOODPLAIN ANEW DO CONTINUE TO POSE A RISK IF THERE'S A BREACH OR IF THE FACILITY LOSES ITS FUNCTION.ARE THERE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS AVAILABLE TO CLARIFY THE DEFINITION ASCE 24 AND THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, THOSE DOCUMENTS WE HAVE A COPY OF ASCE 24, THE HIGHLIGHTS ANY WAY, THOSE ARE WHERE THOSE DEFINITIONS COME FROM. WE TRY TO -- THIS QUESTION CAME IN BEFORE WE ACTUALLY REVISED THE DEFINITION BECAUSE IT WAS CUMBERSOME AND A LITTLE HARD TO INTERPRET. SO WE CLARIFIED THAT. AGAIN, THE DEFINITION OF CRITICAL FACILITIES BE REVISED TO REMOVE INSTALLATIONS THAT PRODUCE USE OR STORE HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCES BECAUSE THEY'RE REGULATED BY OTHER LAWS. ACCORDING TO THE BUILDING CODE, NO. THE CRITICAL FACILITIES DEFINITION IS BASED ON THE FLOOD DESIGN CLASS. THE FLOOD DESIGN CLASSES ARE DICTATED BY ASCE 24 AND WE CAN'T MODIFY THOSE. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE RELATED TO THE FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS.
AND THIS ANSWER IS SIMILAR. ASCE 24 ONCE AGAIN IS THE ONE THAT DECIDES WHAT DESIGN CLASS.
AND THE CITY'S REGULATION IS JUST IDENTIFYING THOSE PER THE BUILDING CODE CRITICAL FACILITIES REGULATE ACCORDINGLY. A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS WERE THE SAME.
WE'RE ALREADY FOLLOWING FEDERAL RULES WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO FOLLOW MORE? IT IS THAT SAME REFERENCE TO ASCE 24 AND THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
THIS IS ANOTHER QUESTION WE HAD BEFORE THE LANGUAGE TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE.
RELATED TO NOT HAVING THE FACILITIES IN THE FLOODPLAIN. THAT WAS REMOVED.
BUT IT IS STILL IN THE AREA REGARDING ACCESS ROUTES AND CONTAINMENT.
AND THE PHRASE TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE IS A COMMONLY USED PHRASE.
AND THE SCIENTIFIC AND LEGAL COMMUNITY. IT IS SCATTERED AROUND MOST DOCUMENTS. IT IS A STANDARD PHRASE. IN A LOT OF LEGAL DOCUMENTS.
SO IT HAS BECOME -- IT HAS A SET UNDERSTOOD DEFINITION AS FAR AS THE EXTENT FEASIBLE BUT FROM THE SCIENTIFIC AND LEGAL REALM. PER THE CITY'S ORDINANCE AND THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, PHRASES AND WORDS HAVE THE DEFINITION IN THE BUILDING CODE OR IN THE ORDINANCE THATDER DEFINED IF NOT IT IS PER THE BUILDING CODE AND IF NOT THERE IT IS THE COMMONLY USED AND ACCEPTED MEANING.
SO THAT TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE IS A COMMONLY USED PHRASE IN THE SCIENTIFIC AND LEGAL REALM.
>>> ONCE AGAIN, THIS WAS A -- THE PROTECT CRITERIA WILL BE EVALUATED UTILIZED TO EVALUATE THE MEASURES THAT ARE -- THE MEASURES THAT WILL PREVENT THE TOXIC SUBSTANCES BEFORE BEING DISPLACED. ASCE 7 WALKS THROUGH THOSE. AND ASCE 24 TALK ABOUT THE
REQUIREMENTS WHAT MEASUREMENTS ARE SUFFICIENT. >>> THE LAST ONE WAS, IS THERE A MAP THAT SHOWS THE EXISTING CRITICAL FACILITIES? WE'RE DEVELOPING ONE.
THERE'S CURRENTLY A EXISTING CR CRITICAL FACILITIES LAYER AND COVERAGE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE FOR EVACUATION PLANNING AND OUTREACH.
BUT WE WANT TO DO IS TAKE THAT DATABASE AND MAKE SURE WE'RE EQUATING TO FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 3 AND 4 SO IT IS COD FEED. SO IT NAILS DOWN, THE CRITICAL FACILITIES CAN BE INTERPRETED TO BE VAGUE. SO SINCE DESIGN FLOOD CLASS 3 AND 4.
WE WANT TO IDENTIFY DESIGN FLOOD CLASS 3 AND 4. THAT WILL ALLOW US TO TRACK THE FACILITIES THAT GO THROUGH THE ASCE 7 THAT APPLY AND APPROVE TO BE FLOOD DESIGN CLASS 2.
RECLASSIFY THOSE IN THE ACTUAL CITY DATABASE. SO WE KNOW WHICH ONES COME IN COMPLY WITH REGULATIONS AND -- SO THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THROWN AT YOU IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. I APPRECIATE YOU BEARING WITH ME.
WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO OPEN Q AND A. ANY QUESTIONS FROM
COMMISSIONERS? >> I GOT ONE. >> VICE MAYOR.
>> WOULD YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY ON SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE AND HOW THAT REBUILDING IS 3050, WHERE
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ARE WE ON THAT? >> YES. SO FOR SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT, THOSE PORTIONS OF THE REGULATION OF THE ORDINANCE ARE NOT BEING CHANGED. SO THOSE ARE CURRENTLY 30% IS THE TRIGGER AND THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2012. THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY BEING CHANGED AS PART OF THIS ORDINANCE. THERE IS SOME OUT DATED LANGUAGE IN THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE THAT CONTRADICTS THE CITY'S ORDINANCE. BUT THE CITY'S ORDINANCE TAKES PRECEDENT. SO IN THE Q AND A DOCUMENT, WE HAVE A LIST OF ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES. AND THAT IS LISTED IN THERE. SO WE ARE CHANGING A SECTION OF BUILDING CODE FROM 50 TO 30. BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE REGULATIONS.
IT JUST CHANGES THE -- IT ELIMIT NATURES THE CON TRA CONTRADICTI SO FOR SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE, THAT 30% SAYS THAT FOR ANY SINGLE OCCURRENCE, WHEN ANY -- ALL WORK THAT YOU DO TO REPAIR OR IMPROVE THE BUILDING, CUMULATIVELY, WHEN YOU ADD IT ALL UP, IT CROSSES 30% OF THE BUILDING VALUE, THAT BUILDING IS NOW CONSIDERED NEW CONSTRUCTION, FROM SCRATCH, AND THE ENTIRE BUILDING HAS TO BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH TODAY'S REGULATIONS. SO ELEVATING, FIRE CODE, ANY -- IT ALL HAS TO BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE. THAT'S WHERE THE 30% COMES INTO PLAY. THERE IS SOME CONFUSION BECAUSE IN THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, IT TALKS ABOUT CERTAIN TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE 50% OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING. AND THAT'S A SEPARATE SECTION THAT TRIGGERS OTHER REGULATIONS.
BUT THAT'S NOT A SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT REGULATION. THAT'S A STRUCTURAL CONSTRUCTION REGULATION IN THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE. IS THAT --
>> YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT. >> YOU'RE JUST REMINDING ME WHAT
I THINK I MIGHT HAVE KNOWN. >> ANYBODY ELSE? >> BUILDING ON THE FLOODPLAIN AT CRITICAL FACILITY, YOU CAN'T DO IT, UNLESS IT IS IN THIS CASE SAY IT IS -- THERE'S A FACILITY THERE, YOU CAN BUILD AN ADDITION, YOU CANNOT BUILD A NEW FACILITY THREE OR FOUR IN THE
FLOODPLAIN, CORRECT? >> YOU COULD BUILD A NEW BUILDING ON THAT SAME PROPERTY.
THAT SAME PARCEL. OR AN ADDITION. BUT YOU COULD NOT CREATE A NEW CRITICAL FACILITIES ON A PARCEL THAT DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE ONE.
>> THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. >> YEAH. SO THAT EXTRA BUILDING IS THE PIECE THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE UNDERSTANDING. SO IF I NEED TO BUILD A -- IF I HAVE AN EXISTING HOSPITAL AND I NEED TO BUILD A SEPARATE BUILDING THAT IS A -- ANOTHER CRITICAL FACILITY PART OF THAT, YOU CAN BUILD THAT ON THE SAME PARCEL.
>> ANYONE ELSE? ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WITH YOUR PRESENTATION AND THAT
CONCLUDES THIS WORKSHOP. >> WELL, I THINK WE HAVE A DESIGNATED -- WE HAVE ONE OF THE
CONSTITUENTS THAT WANTED TO PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION. >> SURE.
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>> QUESTIONS -- >> OH, JUST BY POINT ONE. OKAY.
YUP. >> LET'S SEE. >> IS THAT IT?
>> YUP. >> GOOD AFTERNOON MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS WHITNEY MAGUIRE, I'M ASSISTANT GENERAL COUNSEL WITH BASED MATERIALS.
I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR PRESENTATION. THIS IS A JOINT PRESENTATION BY RAINER ADVANCE MATERIALS IN WEST ROCK. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE IS THAT THE SENSE THE FIRST TIME WE SAW THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE THERE HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE CITY HAS HEARD THE CONCERNS THAT THE TWO MILLS EXPRESSED AND HAS REALLY DONE A GREAT JOB TO TRY TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THE CONCERNS, PARTICULARLY WHAT WE PERCEIVE TO HAVE BEEN AN ABSOLUTELY PROHIBITION AGAINST IMPROVING OR MODERNIZING OUR FACILITIES.
SO TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MARK HOLMES THE MANAGER FOR THE RAINER FACILITIES SPEAK AS WELL AS ROGERS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGER AND THEN ERIC SCHMIDT FROM WEST ROCK SPEAK.
HE IS THEIR COMMUNITY AFFAIRS REPRESENTATIVE. SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT AS AN INTRODUCTION IS THAT WE DO SHARE THE GOALS OF THE CITY IN TERMS OF PROTECTING THE CITY'S PROPERTY AND THE CITIZEN'S SAFETY. BUT SOME OF OUR SMALLER WORKSHOPS AS WE WERE TALKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND BUILDING OFFICIALS, SPECIFICALLY AG AND TERRY COTTER AT A LOT OF THE MEETINGS STILL PARTICIPATED IN A FEW OF THOSE, WE WERE TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT OUR FACILITIES CURRENTLY DO WITHOUT THE CHANGES TO THE FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE. AND WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMISSION TO HAVE A BETTER APPRECIATION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF ALREADY BUILDING TO A CERTAIN
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DESIGN STANDARD AND COMPLYING WITH REGULATIONS. AND SO REALLY WHAT THIS PRESENTATION IS, IT IS JUST AN EDUCATIONAL PIECE. AND WHAT THE TWO FACILITIES HAVE DONE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE UNDER NORMAL USAGE, BUT ALSO DURING CATASTROPHIC AND AFTER CATASTROPHIC EVENTS. AND THEN WE ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LITTLE BIT IN PARTICULAR ABOUT WEST ROCK'S EXPERIENCE MOST RECENTLY OVER IN PANAMA CITY, WHERE THEIR FACILITY TOOK A DIRECT HIT BY WHAT WAS A CATEGORY 5 STORM AT THE TIME THAT IT CAME ON SHORE. AND THE DAMAGES THAT THEY DID NOT SUFFER AND THE RELEASES THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE AND WHY WE BELIEVE THE FACILITIES HERE IN FERNANDINA WOULD HOLD UP TO THOSE SAME STANDARDS. WITH THAT, I'LL ASK DAVE ROGERS IF HE'LL COME UP AND START HISPART OF THE PRESENTATION. >> ONCE AGAIN, DAVID ROGERS ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGER OF THE PLANT. AND I BEEN WITH THE MILL ABOUT 12.5 YEARS NOW.
ON THIS MATTER, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT.
THIS IS THE OBSERVED LEVELS FROM HURRICANE IRMA. AND WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST THING IS THE HEIGHT. 6.34 IS -- WE HAVE HAD -- IN THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS WE HAD THREE IN THE TOP TEN PEAKS OF FERNANDINA HISTORY.
RECORDED SINCE 1898. NOT QUITE 6.8 FEET THE STORM OF RECORD IN 1988.
THE MIDDLE BASELINE IS ABOUT NINE FEET. THAT'S ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT STORM OF 18898 FOR A 500 FLOOD, .2% FLOOD YOU EXPECT WAIST DEEP WATER FACILITY. GENERALLY OUR TANKS ARE BUILT TO ABOUT 12 FOOT ELEVATION.
THE SECOND THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE WAY THAT WE FLOOD IS NOT AS WE KNOW LIVING HERE ON THE RIVER, WE'RE A TIDAL. SO THE PEAK ELEVATION WE SEE IS SOMEWHERE 4 TO 6 HOURS OR SO AT THE TOP WHERE WE'D HAVE EXTREMELY HIGH WATERS. THAT WOULD BE ABOUT THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THEY WOULD EXPECT THE WATER UP THAT HIGH. WITH IRMA, WE HAD THE DOUBLE PEAK. AND THE SURGE THAT YOU HEAR -- YOU WATCH THESE STORMS ON TV COME AND THEY TALK ABOUT INUNDATION MAPS. WE HAVE SEEN THE SURGE FROM THE LAST SEVERAL STORMS, THIS IS A GOOD INDICATOR RIGHT BEFORE LOW TIDE.
IF THE SURGE GENERALLY DOES NOT HAPPEN AT HIGH TIDE BECAUSE YOU HAVE STOCK -- STACK WALLED UP.
THE SURGE HAPPENS AT THE LEVEL. THREE SURGES 3 FEET BEFORE LOW TIDE.
SIMILAR TO HOW MATTHEW WAS. MATTHEW DID GET A LITTLE HIGHER. REALLY JUST HIT THE VERY LOW LEVELS OF THE MILL. SECOND SLIDE TO POINT OUT, THAT DEALT WITH THE LAST WORKSHOP HAD SOME REALLY NICE PICTURE WHERE HE SUPERIMPOSED WHAT THE FLOOD WOULD LOOK LIKE AT A SPECIFIC POINT. THIS IS OUR RIVER FRONT. IT IS -- THIS IS AN OLDER PICTURE BEFORE WE IMPROVED OUR DIKE AFTER HURRICANE MATTHEW. YOU DON'T SEE THE BOATS THAT WASHED UP AFTER THAT STORM. IF YOU SUPERIMPOSE THE FLOOD, THAT'S ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO 500 YEAR FLOOD, PLUS OR MINUS WAIST DEEP WATER.
SINCE THEN ONE OF OUR CONCERNS WAS THAT WHERE THE BOATS HAVE GOTTEN.
THIS LAST STORM RIGHT HERE. TO PREVENT ANY CHANCE OF FLOODING DEBRIS FROM GETTING INTO THE MILL PROPER IF WE WERE TO HAVE ANY --
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
MY NAME IS MARK, THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE PLANT. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO DRAW MY 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DOING PROJECT WORK, ENGINEERING AND MAINTENANCE WITH AN INDUSTRIAL ENVIRONMENT TO HOPEFULLY -- YOU KNOW, THAT IS HELPFUL. THIS IS JUST A SIMPLE ILLUSTRATION AND ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN THE FLOODPLAIN. BUT DELL HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF THAT, CALLING THE ALPHABET SOUP THAT IS FEMA MAPS. SO I WON'T ATTEMPT TO REHASH THAT. I WANT TO MAKE TWO POINTS FROM THE SLIDE.
ONE IS WE UNDERSTAND THE FLOO FLOODPLAIN.
WE UNDERSTAND THE RISK AND DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS. WE HAVE MILLS FULL OF ENGINEERS, THEY LOVE THIS STUFF. THEY LIKE TO DIG INTO THE WEEDS AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES. ONE IS WE UNDERSTAND IT. THE SECOND IS THAT OUR INDUSTRIAL FACILITY THE ELEVATION REALLY STARTS ON PILOT.
OKAY. SO I'LL EXPLAIN THAT IN A BIT MORE DETAIL.
SO I THINK WE'RE ALL IN LINE AGAIN THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF A MAJOR FLOOD, THE 0.2% CHANCE WHERE IT SOUNDS TO BE A LITTLE CHANCE BUT IT IS NOT 0.
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RIGHT? SO WE CAN'T IGNORE IT. SO WE TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY.SO WE'RE ASKING, WHAT DO WE DO TO MITIGATE THAT RISK AND CONSEQUENCES.
TO ME, IT IS REALLY AN EXERCISE IN RISK MANAGEMENT. WHICH WE DEAL WITH EVERY DAY IN THE MANUFACTURING ENVIRONMENT. RISK MANAGEMENT IS REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE LIKELIHOOD OR PROBABILITY OF AN ISSUE OR CONCERN AND WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN PRIORITIZE THINGS. YOU CAN DO MORE RESOURCES AND SO ON TO IT.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON THE SUBJECT SO WE'RE TAKING IT VERY SERIOUSLY.
SO FIRST WE DESIGN, BUILD AND SPEKS AND OPERATE TO CERTAIN STANDARDS.
THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE AND FLORIDA BUILDING CODE REALLY DOES A GREAT JOB OF PROVIDING SPECIFIC STANDARDS TO RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES.
AS NEIL SAID, IT REFERS TO STANDARDS SUCH AS ASCE NOT TO MENTION A COUPLE OF OTHERS AMERICAN SOCIETY MECHANICAL ENGINEERS AND AMERICAN PETROLEUM INSTITUTE FOR OTHER INDUSTRIAL STANDARDS. THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN THESE. BUT THOSE ARE JUST A FEW.
THE FOUNDATION REALLY STARTS WITH FOR THE LARGER PROJECTS THE G GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEERING TO EVALUATE THE SOIL CONDITIONS. AND TYPICALLY THAT THEY DO IS PROVIDE OPTIONS FOR YOU. IF YOU HAVE A GIVEN LOAD, THEY CAN TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE SOIL CAN WITH STAND AND DIFFERENT TYPE OF OPTIONS REQUIRED.
OVER MANY YEARS ON OUR PROPERTY WE SORT OF LEARNED THAT WE HAVE A PRETTY UNIFORM SUB SURFACE.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CREDIT IN TERMS OF LOAD BEARING CAPACITY FOR THE FIRST 55 FEET BELOW OUR FEET. THERE'S A LOT OF SAND AND A LOT OF SILT FOR ANYTHING OF SUBSTANTIAL WEIGHT, 55 FEET IS REALLY YOUR FIRST LAYER OF WHAT IS CALLED MARLE.
BUT IT HAS DENSITY THERE. THAT'S USUALLY WHERE YOU STOP YOUR TIMBER PILES YOU CAN GET 20 TONS OF CAPACITY ON TIMBER PILE. SOME SMALLER EQUIPMENT TIMBER PILES DO JUST FINE.
FOR SOME OF THE HEAVIER LOADS WHAT TYPICALLY IS SPECIFIED IS H PILES.
STRUCTURALLY BASED PILES CROSS-SECTION LOOKS LIKE AN H. SO A LOT OF SURFACE AREA OTHERWISE CALLED FRICTION PILES AND USUALLY THOSE PENETRATE THE LAYER AT 55 FEET AND FINALLY REACH REFUSAL AT ABOUT 75 FEET. YOU CAN GO DOWN ANOTHER 25 FEET AND GET UP TO 50 TONS OF LEAD BEARING CAPACITY PLUS EXTRA LATERAL CAPACITY ONCE YOU GET DOWN TO 75 FEET.
THAT TYPICAL DESIGN WILL PILES TOGETHER AND PILE CAT AND A FOUNDATION OR A SLAB ON TOP OF IT. SO I'VE USED THIS FUN FACT BEFORE IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU THE SCOPE AND SCALE OF THE LIGNA TECH PROJECT. THERE'S 12 MILES UNDER THE FACILITY. STRING ALL OF THE 76 PILES TOGETHER.
IT IS 7 MILES LONG. ON TOP OF THAT A FOOTBALL FIELD FULL OF CONCRETE.
IF YOU FILL THAT FOOTBALL FIELD THREE FEET HIGH. A SUBSTANTIAL STRUCTURE THERE AND IT IS ALL TIED TOGETHER. SO YOU'VE GOT THAT IN THE GROUND, YOU'VE GOT THE FOUNDATION SET AND THEN YOU HAVE THE DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE OR THE EQUIPMENT, IT IS APPLICABLE STANDARDS AND THEN YOU HAVE ANCHORAGE SYSTEM SO FINALLY TYING IT ALL TOGETHER.
AND SO WHERE THE ANCHORAGE SYSTEM SORT OF DIFFER AND THE INDUSTRIAL WORLD IS THE SPECIFICATIONS ARE USUALLY FOR STEEL THAT HAS A TENSILE STRENGTH OF 100,000 POUNDS PER SQUARE INCH. IN A 1 INCH BOLT YOU CAN GET 100,000 POUNDS OF UP LIFTING RESISTANCE IN TERMS OF THAT FORCE. SO IF I TRY TO BACK AGAIN TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, AFTER HURRICANE ANDREW, WHICH I ALSO LIVED THROUGH SO I HAVE THAT PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT MATERIAL AND CONSTRUCTION. AND STEEL TIGHT AND STRAPS AND CLIPS AND RODS AGAIN ANCHORING THE STRUCTURE TO THE THE FOUNDATION SIMILAR TO WHAT IS DONE IN AN INDUSTRIAL ENVIRONMENT. SO NOW WE HAVE THE STRONG DESIGN, STRONG CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE'RE OBLIGATED TO DO INSTRUCTIONS. AND WE HAVE A PROGRAM CALLED OUR MECHANICAL INTEGRITY PROGRAM WHICH IS A TERM PROMULGATED BY PROCESS SAFETY MANAGEMENT AND REALLY OSHA DICTATES THAT PROGRAM. SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN ENGINEER THAT WORKS ON THIS JUST ABOUT FULL TIME TO MANAGE THOSE ASSETS.
SO WE'RE SUBJECT TO DETERMINE A SPECIFIC FREQUENCY, THE TYPE OF INSPECTION BASED ON THE APPLICATION FOR THAT. AND THAT'S ALL DONE ACCORDING TO STANDARDS AND IT IS ALSO SUBJECT TO THIRD PARTY AUDITS THROUGH THE PROGRAM. AND THEN WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO OPERATE IN BETWEEN THE INSPECTIONS THERE'S ALL KINDS OF STANDARDS AS IT RELATES DISTRIBUTING CONTROL SYSTEMS STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES AND MAINTENANCE PRACTICES.
AND THEN YOU PREPARE FOR THE UNEXPECTED. SO WE HAVE CONTAINMENTS.
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WE HAVE PRIMARY AND OR SECONDARY CONTAINMENTS IN MANY CASES. AND OF COURSE WE HAVE HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS PLANS AND OTHER RESPONSE PLANS WHICH WE'LL SPEAK ABOUT IN A MINUTE.SO THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE MEASURES WE HAVE TO MITIGATE THAT RISK AND THOSE CONSEQUENCES. SO NOW I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DAVE TO REVIEW SOME OTHERS.
>> EXCUSE ME. SORRY. >> EXCUSE ME.
MARK TOUCHED ON -- ERIC SCHMIDT. 6405 GLASS CIRCLE. I WORK AT THE MILL.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION. MARK TOUCHED ON SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS HOW WE OPERATE AND HOW WE INSPECT HOW WE AUDIT. THESE ARE ALL CONTROLLED BY -- YOU CAN SEE THE ALPHABET SOUP OF DIFFERENT REGULATORY AGENCIES.
SO WE'RE -- WE HAVE TO MEET THE STANDARDS ABOUT STORAGE AND HANDLING AND USE DISPOSAL REPORTING OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND HOW IT IS STORED AND USE IT. SO ONE OF THE SPECIFIC ONES PROCESS SAFETY MANAGEMENT. THAT'S AN OSHA REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO MEET.
SO, AGAIN, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS GIVE YOU AN IDEA THAT WE BUILD IT TO HIGH STANDARDS.
WE OPERATE AT THE HIGH STANDARDS. AND WE PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO THAT BY THESE DIFFERENT FEDERAL AND STATE RULES. SO PSL. ANY -- IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? ESSENTIALLY IT IS AN OSHA REQUI REQUIREMENT. IT IS GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR INDUSTRY AND CONSTRUCTION AND HOW YOU DEAL WITH HOW YOU STORE AND USE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS BY OSHA.
UNDER USPA RULE, HAZARDOUS WASTES WE'RE NOT BIG GENERATORS OF HAZARDOUS WASTES.
BUT THESE ARE VERY SPECIFIC RULES ABOUT HOW YOU MANAGE CRADLE TO GRAVE HAZARDOUS WASTES SO WE'RE SUBJECT TO ALL OF THOSE REPAIRABLES. EPRA EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT RIGHT TO KNOW. WE TELL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND EMERGENCY PEOPLE WHERE WE HAVE THINGS THAT ARE HAZARDOUS, WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, WHAT THEY ARE, AND ALSO THE SAFETY DATA SHEET SO THAT IF THEY HAVE TO RESPOND TO AN EMERGENCY THEY HAVE THAT DATA THAT'S REQUIRED UNDER EPCRA. WE'RE ALSO CONTROLLED BY AN EPA STANDARD CALLED SPCCE.
STILL CONTROLLED AND COUNTER MEASUREMENT PLAN. IF YOU SPILL IT, WHAT DO YOU DO TO MITIGATE THAT AND HOW YOU SPILL IT IN THE FIRST PLACE A LOT OF CONTAINMENT REQUIREMENTS.
SPECIFIC CONTAINMENT REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT.
AND HOMELAND SECURITY REQUIREMENTS THAT TALK TO TOXIC SUBSTANCE AND HOW TO CONTROL THOSE. SO I THINK MARK WILL COME BACK UP AND TALK.
BECAUSE HE WAS INVOLVED WITH THE EOC DURING OUR LAST HURRICANE. THIS IS KIND OF A TIMELINE ABOUT -- A REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE ABOUT HOW WE DEALT WITH LAST HURRICANE THREAT THAT CAME
THROUGH. >> THANKS ERIC. >>> YOU KNOW, THE FIRST PART OF OUR -- I'LL BE SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO RAYNER PLANS BUT IT IS SPECIFIC TO WHAT WEST ROCK AS WELL. OUR FIRST IS REVIEWED PLANS ANNUALLY.
FOR HURRICANE SEASON THE MILL HAS A REMINDER IN OUR SYSTEM ALL DEPARTMENTS HAVE TO REVIEW THEIR PLANS FOR ANY CHANGES THAT HAPPENED OVER THE PAST YEAR. AND PARTICULARLY ANY -- AS WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS ANY LESSONS THAT WE LEARNED IN PREVIOUS YEARS EXPERIENCE SO WE UPDATE OUR PLANS. WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE APT WITH NEW EQUIPMENT, ANY NEW PROCESSES IN PLACE, WE HAVE THE STAFFING AND RESOURCES TO EFFECTIVELY CONDUCT THEIR -- THE HURRICANE PLAN IF WE NEED TO. NOW, YOU KNOW, IN THE OLD DAYS, THE PLANS WOULD HAVE WHEN THE STORM IS 24 HOURS OUT, 48, 72 HOURS, WITH THE ADVANCE NOTICE WITH THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE STORMS DORIAN I THINK TEN DAYS OR SO LOOKING AT AHEAD OF TIME AND GETTING OUR PLANS AS TO WHAT IT MIGHT MEAN FOR THE FACILITY. SO AT THE APPROPRIATE POINT ES EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER.
THAT IS THE PLANT -- PLANT LEADER SHOIP IN CHARGE OF MAKING SURE WE ACCOMPLISH OUR GOALS THROUGH AN EVACUATION OR THROUGH AN EVENT, MAKING SURE THE EMPLOYEES ARE SAFE, THE COMMUNITY IS SAFE, WE GET THROUGH THE EVACUATION AND IN AN ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE WAY.
SO WE HAVE THE MILL RESOURCES PRESIDENT ACTIVATED AT THAT POINT.
WE ALSO PARTICIPATE ON NASSAU COUNTY EOC, EMBEDDED IN THE EOC, BUT WE'RE THERE WHEN DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE SO WE KNOW HOW IT IMPACTS OUR FACILITIES AND WHAT IT MIGHT MEAN TO OUR TIMELINE.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PLANNING FACTORS THERE. FIRST BEING THE -- JUST LIKE EVERYBODY, WHEN DO THEY CALL FOR MANDATORY EVACUATION. WE SUPPORT THAT COMPLETELY.
AND IF THERE'S A MANDATORY EVACUATION OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T RUN.
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WE NEED PEOPLE TO RUN OUR PEOPLE NEED TO BE WITH THEIR FAMILIES ET CETERA.THAT STARTS TO BACK UP OUR TIMELINE AS TO WHEN WE WILL NEED TO CONDUCT TO AFFECT THE SHUT DOWN. THE OTHER THING THAT AFFECTS OUR TIMELINE IS THE TRAIN.
WE MOVE ALL OF OUR HIGHLY HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS OFF SITE THE LARGE QUANTITIES BROUGHT IN BY TRAIN. THAT BACKS UP THE TIME WE NEED TO START TO GO DOWN.
SO WE START TO LEARN WHAT THE COUNTY IS THINKING. SO AS SOON AS THEY'RE READY TO ISSUE AN ORDER, WE ARE READY TO START SHUTTING THE PLANT DOWN AND GETTING ALL OF OUR MATERIAL OFF SITE. WE DO COORDINATE EXTENSIVE WELL THE REGULATORY AGENCIES THAT ERIC JUST TALKED ABOUT. PARTICULARLY IN THE TIME OF HURR HURRICANES IT IS REALLY THE DEP, DEALING WITH THE WATER SIDE AS WELL AS THE COAST GUARD.
THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT GENERALLY COME OUT AND THAT WE'RE TALKING WITH ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS.
PROBABLY DAILY FOR THE STORM. MENTIONED MOVING THE CHEMICALS OFF SITE.
IN ADDITION TO MOVING THE CHEMICALS OFF SITE, WE RUN THE PUMP THROUGH AND OUT OF THE MILL. WHICH INVOLVES LOWERING OUR TANK INVENTORIES AND FLUSHING ALL OF OUR LINES. AND BRINGING OUR TANKS TO THE VERY LOWEST LEVELS THAT THEY CAN BE BROUGHT TO DURING A STORM. AND ISOLATING THE TANKS. SHUTTING THE INLET AND OUTLET VALVES SO THE MATERIAL ST STAYS -- STAYS WHERE IT BELONGS. AND WE HAVE AN ORDERLY PROCESS SHUT DOWN. IT IS A LONG PROCESS. WE SEE IN THE TIMELINE THERE, THE BALLPARK 40 HOURS FROM WHEN WE START GOING DOWN TO WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET DOWN.
AND ANOTHER 24 HOURS OR SO BEFORE THE PLANT IS FULLY EVACUATED.
IT JUST TAKES TIME. MILL IS A BIG PROCESS AND LONG PROCESS WHETHER SHUTTING DOWN OR WHETHER YOU'RE STARTING IT BACK UP. ALSO ALONG WITH THE PREPARATION PLANS, IT IS ALL OF THE DEBRIS. THE TYPE OF DAMAGE THAT WE'VE SEEN IN PAST -- THREE OF THE PAST FOUR YEARS, WE'VE HAD THESE STORMS, HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, SIDING, ROOFS, IT HAS FORTUNATELY BEEN SUPERFICIAL STUFF. BUT IF IT IS YOUR HOUSE, IT IS NOT SUPERFICIAL STUFF. BUT IF IT IS THE MILL, RELATIVELY SUPERFICIAL THINGS WE CAN FIX AND MOVE ON. WE SECURE EVERYTHING THERE IS TO SECURE, TIE DOWN EVERYTHING WE CAN TIE DOWN. WE DO HAVE HIGHER GROUND IN THE FACILITY.
WE CAN MOVE UP A LOT OF THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT. UP TO -- UP AT WHICH WATER TREATMENT FACILITY. ANYTHING ELSE, WE TIE DOWN, WE EVACUATE ALL OF THE -- WE CALL FOR THE TRASH TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THE MILL. ALL OF STUFF THAT WILL BLOW AROUND JUST MAKE A GENERAL MESS, WE CLEAN THE FACILITY AND MOVE EVERYTHING OUT THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN. AND THEN WE EVACUATE AND PUT A LOT ON THE GATE.
WE'VE DONE THAT THE PAST FOUR YEARS PUT A LOCK ON THE MILL, WHEN THE PREVIOUS TIMES THAT WAS DONE, IS EXTREMELY UNUSUAL FOR THE FACILITY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS DONE FOR DORIAN OR NOT BACK IN THE DAY. THEN START PLANNING RECOVERY AND START UP.
WE LEARNED THE TYPE OF RESOURCES THAT WE NEED FOR THAT. BUT ONCE AGAIN IT GETS BACK TO WHEN THE TRAIN CAN BRING OUR CHEMICALS BACK ON SITE. IT TAKES TIME FOR US TO PUT THE MILL BACK TOGETHER. 40 HOURS DOWN IS A BALLPARK, ALSO 40 HOURS UP ONCE WE'RE INTO FULL STAFFING. THAT'S AFTER THE ASSESSMENT PHASE WHICH TAKES GENERALLY 24 HOURS TO GET GOING. TIME LOON ON THE BOTTOM IS HARD TO READ FROM WHERE YOU ARE STARTING HARD TO READ FROM WHERE I'M SITTING HERE AS WELL. BUT THE TIMELINE FOR DORIAN SUNDAY AT 5:00 P.M. THE EVACUATION WAS CALLED FOR, AND WE SEEN THE LAST DIGEST OR ESSENTIALLY STOPPED COOKING ALL THAT EVENING. HAD TO SHUT OFF THE MACHINE THE FOLLOWING AFTERNOON. NOW THE SHUT DOWN BEGINNING IN EARNEST.
TOOK US UNTIL TUESDAY MORNING TO GET THE PLANT DOWN AND COMPLETELY EVACUATED.
THE EVACUATION AND CURFEW LIFTED THURSDAY MORNING 7:00 A.M. SO WE WENT THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT PHASE. AFTER WHICH WE GOT FULL STAFF ON BOARD FRIDAY MORNING.
AND THEN BEGAN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE PUMP MILL GOING AGAIN AND THE SHEET BACK ON THE MACHINE LATER THAT SATURDAY NIGHT. ALL IN ALL, ABOUT 5.5 DAYS OF DOWN TIME FOR THE FACILITY. AS I SAID, WE COMPLETELY SUPPORT THE DECISIONS MADE IN THE COMMUNITY TO GO DOWN TO -- YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO PROTECT THE EMPLOYEES GOT TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY. THEY COME OUT WITH IT AND NO ENVIRONMENTAL INCIDENTS WERE
ABLE TO DO THAT. ERIC. >> WE'RE CLOSE ON TIME.
ARE WE OKAY IF WE GO A FEW MINUTES? >> YES, SIR.
>> I'LL TRY TO GO QUICKLY. >> SO WE TOLD YOU -- WE TOLD YOU ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION WE TOLD YOU SOME OF THE THEORY SOME OF THE REGULATIONS. WHAT WE EXPERIENCED HERE LATELY WHICH LUCKILY HASN'T BEEN THE EXTREME EVENTS. BUT OUR PANAMA CITY MILL DID -- IT WAS A CATEGORY FIVE AND YOU CAN SEE THE EYE WAS RIGHT OVER PANAMA CITY.
IT IMPACTED OUR MILL ON A LEVEL 5. SO THE MILL IN PANAMA CITY, WHICH ASK IS IS A VERY CLOSE OPERATION TO WHAT WE HAVE AT THE WEST ROCK MILL HERE IN
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FERNANDINA BEACH. SO I WANTED TO SAY WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE RESPOND.THAT COMMUNITY WAS AFFECTED QUITE A BIT. WE TALKED ABOUT MEXICO BEACH.
I THINK DEL'S MOM LIVES IN MEXICO BEACH. THAT CERTAINLY WAS IMPACTED.
SO WAS PANAMA CITY. BUT WE HELPED THEM RECOVER. BY BEING IN THAT COMMUNITY -- AND IT WASN'T JUST THE PEOPLE IN OUR MILL, IT WAS ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN WEST ROCK.
OTHER MILLS CAME IN. WE CONTRIBUTED. WE SENT PEOPLE AND SUPPLIES OVER TO HELP THAT COMMUNITY RECOVER. AND I WON'T GO THROUGH TOO MUCH OF THAT BECAUSE WE'LL RUN OUT OF TIME. BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE THINGS WE DID, FOOD, SHELTER, AND ALSO BROUGHT OUT CHAIN SAWS TO TRY TO HELP WITH THAT. SO THESE CREWS WENT OUT AND HELPED THE COMMUNITY NOT JUST THE MILL. BUT WE WERE PREPARED TO BRING THE MILL BACK UP. AND IT WAS BACK UP AND RUNNING AT LEAST PARTIALLY IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS WHICH IS PRETTY EXTRAORDINARY FOR A DIRECT HIT BY A CATEGORY 5.
>> I CAN COVER THAT. SO PART OF THAT RECOVERY IS FOR HERE IN FERNANDINA IS THE 8 FLIGHT ENERGY, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE RAYNOR MILL. SO IT HELPS THE COMMUNITY RECOVER. A LOT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY IS WHAT HAPPENS IF WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT EVENT. WE THINK WE'RE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND HELP BRINGING IT BACK TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE IF WE GET THAT IMPACT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE PREPARED FOR. SO FAST FORWARD.
>> SO IS THAT -- AS I SAID BEFORE, WE REALLY MADE A LOT OF PROCESS I FEEL LIKE ON THE ORDINANCE AND HOPEFULLY THIS PRESENTATION GIVES THE COMMISSION SOME COMFORT ABOUT WHAT WE WERE ALREADY DOING BEFORE THE DEFINITION OF CRITICAL FACILITY WAS PROPOSED TO BE ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE. AND I THINK THE MAIN THING THAT IS LEFT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND IS THAT WHEN WE DO HAVE TO IMPOSE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ON THESE CRITICAL FACILITIES, AND IN PARTICULAR THE INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES THAT CONTAIN HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, THAT WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING.
I KNOW DEL SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T, FEMA DOESN'T LET YOU, THIS BARS YOU, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT HAS MEANT DURING THE PAST STORM EVENTS IN TERMS OF WHAT IMPACTS THESE FACILITIES HAVE HAD ON THIS COMMUNITY. WHICH IS THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THIS COMMUNITY. SO WE WOULD JUST ASK THAT THE CITY, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, CONTINUE TO WORK WITH US, PARTICULARLY ON HELPING TO DEFINE AND REFINE WHAT THE MEANING OF ADDITIONAL FLOOD PROOFING WOULD MEAN IN TERMS OF WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS WOULD LOOK LIKE. OTHERWISE, WE SUPPORT WHERE THE ORDINANCE IS HEADING AND WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE CITY LISTENING TO OUR PRIOR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS THAT WE SUBMITTED.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE HURRICANE MICHAEL AND YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ERIC AND WEST R ROCK, THEY ARE THE MAJOR FORCE BEHIND OUR DONATION OF OUR FRIENDS AT THE LIBRARY BOOKS AND TAPES AND THINGS TO THAT -- TO THAT COMMUNITY. AND ERIC ACTUALLY MADE TWO TRIPS OVER THERE.
AND THEY DO HAVE PEOPLE, YOUR MILL HAD PEOPLE THERE. AND ANOTHER THING IS AS LONG AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HURRICANES, EIGHT FLAGS ACTUALLY AFTER THE HURRICANE CAN BE UP ONLINE 24 HOURS. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY BEFORE THEY'LL BE ONLINE.
SO IT IS A MAJOR FACTOR IN EVEN THE COMMUNITY. BECAUSE THAT
GREAT. >> PERKINS. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR? >> ONE QUESTION I WANT TO ASK. YOU MENTIONED THE PANAMA CITY MILL. PANAMA CITY HAS A REGULATION THAT PROHIBITS ANY NEW CRITICAL FACILITIES IN THE FL FLFLOOD -- YEARS. I'M CURIOUS HOW THAT IMPACTED YOUR RECOVERY FROM HURRICANE MICHAEL? BECAUSE IT IS A MORE STRINGENT REGULATION THAN WHAT WE'RE
POSING HERE. >> DEL, I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC INFORMATION ON THAT.
I WOULD NOTE THAT WE DID HAVE AS PART OF A WORKSHOP HERE, SOMEONE FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA EMERGENCY PLANNING AND THEY NOTED THAT THERE WERE 91% OF THE ORDINANCES IN STATE OF FLORIDA DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION OF OF CRITICAL FACILITY. SO WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT FEMA
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REQUIRES AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE 91% OF ORDINANCES DON'T HAVE A CRITICAL FACILITY DEFINITION. BUT THEY DON'T. I DON'T SPECIFICALLY KNOW HOW ITIMPACTED PANAMA CITY. I CAN FIND THAT OUT FOR YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE?
>> YES, SIR. >> CITY STAFF WOULD LIKE TO ASK COMMISSION IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS AS FAR AS UPDATING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO -- FOR THE LANGUAGE REGARDING BUILDING HEIGHTS AND HOW WE PREMEASURE T TO MATCH HOW WE'RE PRESENTING WITH IT WITH THE ORDINANCE.
>> EDGE IN EDGE. >> I WAS GOING TO ASK WHAT NEXT ORDINANCE COME BACK TO US.
ON THE -- YOU KNOW, ON BUILDING HE HEIGHTS, I THINK I PRETTY MUCH HAD THE DISCUSSION OF BUILDING HEIGHTS ON THE COAST REMAIN 35 FEET MEASURED FROM THE GRADE.
>> THAT'S FINE -- THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE AT NOW. >> CURRENT LANGUAGE OF THE
ORDINANCE. >> YES. >> KEEPS IT SIMILAR TO WHERE IT
IS AT. >> CORRECT. I THINK THAT IS CRITICAL BECAUSE
THAT TWO ARTICLES -- >> I CAN HEAR YOU ANSWER YOUR -- ARE YOU DONE?
>> YEAH. >> SO WHAT HE IS -- I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF 35 FEET. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU
MEASURE THE BOTTOM OF THE HEIGHT FROM, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.
THE LANGUAGE WE HAVE IN THE ORDINANCE CLARIFIES TWO DIFFERENT ZONES, IN THE FLOOD -- IN THE FLOOD ZONE AREA, THE COASTAL AREAS, AND THE -- THE NONFLOOD AREAS AND THE A ZONES. AND THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE IS VERY CLOSE AND PRETTY MUCH A WASH MEASURED OUT WITH HOW THE LANGUAGE CURRENTLY IS IN THE LDC.
BUT IT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFICULT. SO IF WE DO ACCEPT THE FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN, THE LANGUAGE IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ALTHOUGH THE MEASUREMENTS THE SAME AS THEY ARE NOW. JUST THE LANGUAGE NEEDS TO COINCIDE.
>> BUT WHERE YOU'RE MEASURING THE HEIGHT FROM IS DIFFERENT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT?
>> WHERE WE'RE MEASURING THE HEIGHT FROM, SO IN B ZONES COASTAL A ZONES THE HEIGHT GET MEASURED FROM THE EXISTING GRADE. WHICH IS THE SAME AS IT IS NOW.
AND THE A ZONES AND -- ACTUALLY, IF WE JUST DO IT WITH THE FLOOD ZONE, IT IS A ZONES WOULD BE MEASURED FROM THE HIGHER BASED ON FLOOD ELEVATION OR EXISTING GRADE.
SO REALLY IT ENDS UP BEING ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS IT IS NOW.
IT COULD BE PLUS OR MINUS A FOOT DEPENDING ON WHICH OF THOSE AREAS YOU'RE IN.
BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE BIG SWINGS OF 5 FEET, 4 FEET, WHAT HAVE YOU.
>> SO THE -- WHERE THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING WILL BE MEASURED FROM IS FROM THE EXISTING NATURAL GRADE; IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I DON'T THINK SO.
>> SORRY. HOLD ON. SO THE HEIGHT OF THE GRADE IS CURRENTLY MEASURED FROM APPROVED -- PERMANENT GRADE, APPROVED GRADE.
>> WHICH IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE. >> WHICH IS DIFFERENT. SO THE CHANGE WOULD BE THAT IN
THE FLOOD ZONES, SINCE WE'RE LIMITING THE FILL. >> RIGHT.
>> IN THE NONCOASTAL FLOOD ZONES, SINCE WE'RE LIMITING THE FILL, THE HEIGHT WOULD BE MEASURED FROM THE BFE, OR THE APPROVED GRADE, WHICHEVER IS HIGHER.
SO IF YOU HAVE AN ISLAND IN FLOODPLAIN ALREADY HIGHER, THEN IT WOULD BE -- NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. ON THE COASTAL ZONES, IN THE B ZONES, COASTAL A ZONES, IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY, WHICH IS THE APPROVED GRADE. SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WOULD BE IN THE NONCOASTAL FLOOD PLAINS AND 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, INSTEAD OF BRINGING IN THREE, FOUR, FIVE FOOT OF FILL TO GET ABOVE THE BFE, THE HEIGHT IS MEASURED FROM THE BFE.
>> WHICH IS A SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE. >> WHICH IS A SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE IN THE FILL THAT YOU'RE USING, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE THE TOP OF THE BUILDING. BECAUSE THE TOP OF THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE 45 FEET ABOVE THE 6 FEET OF FILL OR 45 FEET PLUS 6 FEET ABOVE THE NATURAL GROUND SO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING IS GOING
TO STAY THE SAME RELATIVE. >> CORRECT. BUT THAT --
>> CURRENTLY WE WOULD BE ALLOWING THE FILL -- >> THIS GETS WRIT OF THE -- RID
OF THE FILL. >> CORRECT. >> IT GETS RID OF THE FILL OR
BASE FLOOD OR -- >> VICE MAYOR. >> 45 FEET EXCEPT IN THE
COASTAL -- >> RIGHT IN THE COASTAL ZONE, THE FILL DOESN'T COME --
INELIGIBLE ]. >> ANYBODY ELSE? >> SO WHEN IS IT COMING BACK
WHEN THE ORDINANCE BACK? >> SO WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT BACK FOR A FIRST READING IN EARLY DECEMBER. THAT WOULD BE FOR THE FLOOD ORDINANCE.
AND THEN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGE WHICH WOULD DUPLICATE THE HEIGHT ADJUSTMENT FOR THE FLOOD PLAINS WOULD FOLLOW WITH A VP A MEETING AND FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY BY THE
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TIME OF THE SECOND READING FOR THE FLOOD ORDINANCE. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY MAKE SURE I'M SURE ON -- THAT MEANS THAT THE ORDINANCE, NOVEMBER 15TH, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT FOR THE
DECEMBER 3RD MEETING. >> MM-HMM. FR>> DEL I HEARD YOUR STAFF CONSENSUS GOING FORWARD. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THAT? IS THIS SOMETHING BEFORE DECEMBER YOU NEED CLARIFICATION ON THAT OR ARE WE OKAY? I HEARD YOU ASK A QUESTION.
>> IT IS TO PROVIDE CLEAR DIRECTION FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR REVISING THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE COINCIDE WITH THE FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE. >> AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT ON THAT DATE BUT YOU SAID YOU NEEDED SOMETHING TONIGHT. WERE YOU LOOKING FOR SOMETHING
TONIGHT? >> I THINK THEY ARE. >> THE GENERAL CONSENSUS SHOULD
WE PROCEED WITH THIS. >> AS TAMMY SAID IN ORDER TO GET ON THE DECEMBER AGENDA, WE GOT TO HAVE THE DEADLINE FOR THAT AGENDA IS NOVEMBER 15TH. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS GENERAL CONSENSUS TO AT LEAST BRING IT FORWARD FOR A FIRST READING, WHICH THEY NEED THAT DIRECTION TO MAKE ALL OF THE PROPER PAPERWORK AND CRAFT ING FINAL --
>> OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I
APPRECIATE IT. >> ANYBODY ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE ADJOURNED? OKAY WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN THIS WORKSHOP AT THIS POINT.
WE'LL RECONVENE
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