>> WELCOME TO THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD, REGULAR MEETING, [1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:05] NOVEMBER 24TH, 2025. DO YOU CALL THE ORDER? >> I WAS DOING IT IN ORDER OF THE I HAD IT PLEADGE OF ALLEGIANCE FIRST GREAT. [LAUGHTER] OF ALLEGIANCE] I GUESS THAT WAS THE CALLED ORDER. MY BEST. >> MEMBER PERKO? >> HERE. >> MEMBER MANON? >> HERE. >> MEMBER ROLAND IS NOT WITH THIS YET. MEMBER SHARP HERE. >> MEMBER MILLS? >> HERE. >> MEMBER COOK. >> HERE. >> VICE CHAIR NIKLAV. >> HERE. >> CHAIR SHAFFER. >> HERE. >> APPROVAL OF MINUTES. [4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] WE HAVE ONE POSSIBLE OF YOU. >> I HAVE A CORRECTION. I LOOKED AND MEMBER ALLEN AND COOK COURT AS PRESENT OR EVEN ON THE MINUTES. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. NICE. NOTED. WE'LL ADJUST THEM BEFORE WE FINALIZE THEM. >> CORRECTIONS. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CORRECTIONS. >> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? >> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? [5. PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA] PLEASE COME ON UP. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> TINA KRISHNER, 406 BEACH STREET. GOOD EVENING WATERFRONT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE, AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING WEEK. I'M REALLY HAPPY THIS WEEK BECAUSE MY FAMILY IS ALL ARRIVING. MY SISTER IS HERE AND MY DAD'S HERE, MY NIECE IS COMING IN A COUPLE OF DAYS. I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE THE SAME TYPE OF THINGS. BUT SADLY, THIS YEAR, ONE OF OUR THANKSGIVING TRADITIONS WILL NO LONGER BE AVAILABLE TO US. ONE OF THE THINGS MY SISTER AND MY NIECE AND I ALWAYS HAVE DONE IS WE'VE GONE AND WALKED THE DOCKS. WE USUALLY DO IT TWO, THREE TIMES OVER THANKSGIVING AND SEE ALL THE YACHTS AND WHERE THEY'RE FROM, AND WE'RE EXTREMELY RESPECTFUL. THIS YEAR, THAT RIGHT HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY FROM US BECAUSE THERE IS A NEW SIGN UP AT THE DOCKS. IF YOU GO UP TO THE GATE, LIKE NOW, THE GATE IS LOCKED TONIGHT. BUT IF YOU KEEP GOING PAST IT DURING THE DAYTIME, THERE'S A BIG SIGN BEFORE THE SHORT RAMP, AND IT SAYS, BOAT OWNERS ONLY WITH THE OFFICIAL CITY SEAL ON IT. LAST MONTH'S WATERFRONT ADVISORY MEETING WAS GREAT. Y'ALL DID THE TOUR OF THE WATERFRONT. I BROUGHT THIS ISSUE UP THEN, AND I WASN'T I DIDN'T SEE THAT ANYBODY ON THIS COMMITTEE WAS AWARE OF THIS NEW POLICY THAT HAS BEEN INSTITUTED BECAUSE OF THE SIGN. IN THE MEANTIME, I ALSO WROTE TO ALL THE CITY COMMISSIONERS, AS WELL AS THE CITY MANAGER, AND THE CITY COMMISSIONERS WERE UNAWARE OF THIS NEW POLICY. I'VE HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER ASKEW AND COMMISSIONER TUTON, SO I SHOULD BE MORE EXACT. THOSE TWO COMMISSIONERS WERE UNAWARE OF IT. MY QUESTION IS, HOW CAN A HUGE POLICY LIKE THAT BE CHANGED WITHOUT GOING TO THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY COMMITTEE? YOU'RE THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THE WATERFRONT. WHEN YOU SAY, WE WANT TO TAKE ACCESS AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC FOR A HUGE PART OF THE WATERFRONT, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME TO YOU AND TO THE COMMISSION FOR A VOTE? I'M JUST CONFUSED ABOUT THAT. THE LAST TIME ANYTHING WAS DISCUSSED WITH GATES WITH DOC C ON THE WATERFRONT WAS IN 2023 WHEN THE COMMISSION APPROVED THE GATES, AND I'VE WATCHED THAT VIDEO. I'VE READ THE TRANSCRIPTS. IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT DAYTIME ACCESS WOULD REMAIN TO EVERYONE. THE COMMUNITY DID UNDERSTAND THAT AT NIGHT, THERE NEEDED TO BE SOME EXTRA SECURITY PRECAUTIONS BECAUSE IT PROBABLY HAD A LITTLE TOO MUCH TO DRINK AND GONE DOWN TO THE DOCS AND WOKE EVERYBODY UP. I WROTE THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS AND ASKED WHO HAD INSTITUTED THIS POLICY, AND WHAT SHE SAID TO ME WAS, "POSITION IS THAT THE CITY PROVIDES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE RIVER." I JUST THINK THAT TO ME, THAT'S VERY FOR DINA TO SAY THAT FROM NOW ON, ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD A YACHT, BECAUSE ON THAT DOCK, IT'S THE BIGGER BOATS GENERALLY, YOU SEE? ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD A YACHT AND THE DOCKING FEE ARE ALLOWED TO ENJOY SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT IS A PUBLIC FACILITY THAT WAS FUNDED FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WITH FMA DOLLARS. [00:05:07] IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU ASK FOR FMA MONEY, YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A FMA WORKSHEET, AND ON IT, YOU HAVE TO CHECK. I'M GLAD THE GRANTS PERSON IS HERE TONIGHT. YOU HAVE TO CHECK THAT IT'S A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PLACE OR ELSE NO FMA MONEY. I DON'T THINK THEME IS GOING TO COME BACK TO US AND ASK US FOR THE MONEY BACK, BUT NEXT TIME WE ASK, THEY MAY SAY, NO. PEOPLE HAVE QUOTED SAFETY ISSUES TO ME ABOUT THIS. BUT IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE DOCK NOW, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A SIGN THAT SAYS SINGLE FILE ONLY ON THE RAMP. THEN IT SAYS BOAT OWNERS ONLY, AND THEN THE THIRD SIGN SAYS, NO FISHING OFF THE DOCK. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REALLY A SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE WE HAVE CRUISE SHIPS DOWN THERE AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE GENERALLY THEY'RE ON THE CRUISE SHIPS, AND THEY'RE WANDERING UP AND DOWN THE DOCKS, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARILY A SAFETY ISSUE. WHAT I'M ASKING IS, PLEASE CONSIDER RESTORING PUBLIC ACCESS. ALSO, I WOULD ASK, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT NO POLICY CHANGES ARE TO BE MADE BY ADMINISTRATORS, THAT POLICY CHANGE IS TO BE DONE BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND OTHER ADVISORY GROUPS SUCH AS YOURSELVES. THIS WENT ON WITHOUT ANY OF THOSE GROUPS DOING ANYTHING. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR LISTENING. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> COULD WE HAVE CHRIS MAYBE EXPLAIN THE APOLOGY? >> SURE. I THINK IT WAS EXPLAINED LAST MEETING TOO. >> IF WE CAN EXPLAIN IF IT'S A CITY POLICY OR THE MARINA POLICY TO REMIND ME. >> SURE, CHRIS FERGUSON, MARINA GENERAL MANAGER. FIRST OF ALL, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE SIGN IS NOT A NEW SIGN. IT IS A SIGN THAT'S BEEN REDONE. IT WAS VERY FADED FOR MANY YEARS. I THINK UP UNTIL JULY 4, IT WAS ALWAYS PRESENT, BUT MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T NOTICE IT BASED ON BEING FADED FROM THE SUN. ONLY AFTER JULY 4 WAS THE SIGN ACTUALLY REDONE, SO IT WAS VISIBLE AND MORE PRESENT. WHEN IT COMES TO THE TOPIC OF SAFETY, THE ENTIRE THE MARINA IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. A DOCK, B DOCK, E DOCK, F DOC WE WANT THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO COME DOWN TO THE MARINA, ENGAGE WITH THE CHARTER CAPTAINS, ASK QUESTIONS, WHAT'S THE BITE LIKE, SO ON AND SO FORTH. BUT C DOC AND D DOC IS IT'S A DIFFERENT DOCK, AND AGAIN, THE SIGN SAYS THAT IT'S BOAT OWNERS ONLY, AND WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC NOT COME DOWN ONLY BECAUSE IT IS A WORKING DOCK. THERE ARE BOATS FUELING, THERE ARE BOATS COMING IN AND OUT. IN REFERENCE TO THE ACL BOATS, THERE ARE CREW THAT ARE ON THAT DOCK WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRAVERSING TO AND FROM THAT VESSEL. THERE ARE ACL BOAT CREW THAT ARE ASSISTING FOLKS ON AND OFF THE BOAT, UP AND DOWN THE DOCK, ET CETERA. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME DOWN TO THE DOCK AND WALK BETWEEN FUELING DISPENSERS AND FUELING BOATS WITH CIGARETTES WITH CIGARS, WHICH IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WALKING DOWN THE DOCK WHEN LARGE BOATS ARE COMING IN, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING SMALL DOCK LINES. WE'RE TALKING LARGE DOCK LINES HAVE BEEN THROWN OFF THE DOCK. THEY HIT THE DECK, AND THEN THE CREW THE STAFF WILL GRAB THEM, PUT THEM IN A CLEAT, AND THEN THEY'RE BROUGHT UP ON BOARD. WE'VE HAD SOME FOLKS COME BY, AND WE'VE HAD TO BASICALLY JUST ALMOST PUT OUR HANDS ON THEM AND STOP THE M BECAUSE LINES WERE FLYING OFF THE BOAT. IF WE WOULDN'T HAVE STOPPED THEM, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN HIT BY THESE LARGE LINES. C DOC AND D DOCK IT'S A DIFFERENT DOCK WITHIN THE MARINA ONLY BECAUSE IT IS AN EXTREMELY ACTIVE DOCK WITH HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. I PERSONALLY BROUGHT A BOAT IN A FEW WEEKS AGO, UNDER EXTREMELY WINDY CONDITIONS, HAD SOME FOLKS THAT WERE NON-BOATERS ABOUT TWO FEET BEHIND ME. I HAD NO IDEA THAT THEY WERE THERE, AND AS THE CAPTAINS WILL ATTEST, UNDER ADVERSE CONDITIONS, WHEN YOU HAVE LINES IN YOUR HAND, YOU NEED TO GET THEM IN THE CLIP, YOU NEED TO MOVE TO THE NEXT LINE AND GET THOSE BOATS IN. I STOOD UP AND TURNED QUICKLY AND ALMOST KNOCKED A WOMAN ALL THE WAY OVER ON HER BACK SIDE. I HAD NO IDEA THAT THEY WERE THERE. AGAIN, IT'S A WORKING DOCK, WHICH IS THE REASON WHY WE ASKED THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE OPERATION OF A DOCK LIKE THAT NOT COME DOWN WHILE WE ARE OPERATING. IT REALLY JUST COMES DOWN TO A SAFETY ISSUE. >> BUT IT IS A CITY POLICY IN WRITING ALREADY, [00:10:04] OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO REQUEST MORE DISCUSSION? >> I CAN'T SPEAK ON THAT. I KNOW THE SIGN HAS BEEN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND WAS REDONE, AND IT'S PRETTY STANDARD PRACTICE IN THE INDUSTRY FOR AN ACTIVE WORKING DOC WITH FUEL THAT IT IS NOT OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. >> CHRIS, IS THERE ANY NO SMOKING SIGNS UP THERE IN THIS PARTICULAR? >> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK. I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF THERE WASN'T, BUT IF THERE IT'S SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS. >> DEFINITELY, AND THE PUBLIC HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO WALK THE DOCKS. IT DOESN'T MATTER. THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO WALK ALL OF THEM IN THE PAST. I DO KNOW THAT MUCH. BUT I JUST JUST WONDER IF THERE IS NO SMOKING BECAUSE I CAN SEE WHAT THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR PROBLEM. >> I'LL TAKE A LOOK TOMORROW AGAIN. I'M NOT 100% SURE WHETHER THERE ARE OR AREN'T AND IF SO, WHERE EXACTLY THEY'RE LOCATED, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. >> I AGREE THAT THE SUN HAS BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, LARGELY IGNORED, BUT I AGREE THAT IT'S A CITY ASSET. I KEEP A BOAT DOWN THERE, SO I CAN HAVE ACCESS. I PAY FOR IT. BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME AMOUNT OF COMPROMISE. WE'RE NOT SO BUSY AT THAT MARINA THAT DOCK LINES ARE FLYING ALL THE TIME EVERYWHERE, AND IF WE NEED TO RESTRICT THEM FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT EXTERIOR DOCK, THE SEAWALL, SO THAT THE FUEL ISN'T IMPACTED. MAYBE WE CAN DO THAT, BUT I'VE GONE OUT THERE WHEN I HADN'T HAD A BOAT OUT THERE, TOO, AND I ENJOY BEING OUT THERE. THEY THE CITY CERTAINLY DOES HELP SUBSIDIZE THAT MARINA, AND SO AS A TAXPAYER, UNLESS THERE'S SOME COMPELLING OVERRIDING REASON, I CAN'T THINK OF AN INCIDENT THAT WE'VE EVER HAD WHERE SOMEBODY HAS BEEN INJURED FROM A DOCK LINE OR SOMEBODY COMING UP THERE. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD IF WE NEED TO RESTRICT THEM, IF THERE'S A BIG BOAT COMING IN, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE AN EXTRA GUY OUT THERE TO GO WAIT. I CAN SEE THAT, BUT I CAN SEE YOUR POINT THAT YOU DESERVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT DOCK, NOT 24 HOURS A DAY, BUT REASONABLE ACCESS FOR CITY RESIDENTS BECAUSE IT'S A CITY ASSET. IT'S NOT A PRIVATE MARINA THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO OUT THERE. >> HERE IN THE CITY HOURS. HERE IN THE CITY HOURS HOURS BUT WORKING HOURS. >> AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING BASED ON THE SIGN THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR QUITE SOME TIME WAS COMPLETELY REDONE. AGAIN, IT'S VERY STANDARD IN THE INDUSTRY. BUT ULTIMATELY, IF THE DECISION IS MADE THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND AGAIN, IF THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMES DOWN AND ONTO THE DOCK, WHETHER IT'S A RESIDENT OR WHETHER IT'S A TOURIST, I CAN ASSURE YOU NEITHER MYSELF NOR MY STAFF ARE WALKING OR RUNNING DOWN THE DOCK. YOU CAN'T BE HERE. IT'S NOT LIKE THAT IN ANY WAY. THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION. WE ASK, AND IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO ABIDE BY THE RECOMMENDED STATEMENT ON THE SIGN, THAT'S YOUR CHOICE, AND WE ARE NOT CHASING YOU DOWN AND ENFORCING IT. IT JUST LIMITS THE VOLUME OF PEOPLE COMING DOWN TO THE PROPERTY. IF A RESIDENT WERE TO COME DOWN DURING THE DAY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO SAY A WORD IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ENFORCING ON A DAILY BASIS, STRICTLY A RECOMMENDATION FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. >> I DO KNOW THAT THE GATES WERE PUT THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE WALKING DOWN THERE, KNOCKING ON BOATS AND MESSING WITH STUFF WHENEVER THE MARINA WAS CLOSED, AND THEY PUT THE GATES IN THERE TO HAVE THEM CLOSED AND LOCKED SO THE PUBLIC CANNOT WALK DOWN AND DO MISCHIEF THINGS. THAT'S WHY THE GATES WERE PUT THERE, AND THAT'S WHY THE SIGNS WERE THERE BEFORE THE GATES WERE EVEN UP. THAT MIGHT BE WHY THEY WEREN'T KEPT UP BECAUSE WE PUT THE GATES UP. >> IT MAY BE WHY MAYBE THE INTENTION WAS TO TAKE THE SIGNS DOWN ONCE THE GATE WENT UP AND ALLOW FULL ACCESS THAT I CAN'T SPEAK ON. BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT AN ENFORCEMENT BY MYSELF OR THE STAFF. IT'S STRICTLY A RECOMMENDATION JUST FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. >> I WAS PERSONALLY BOARDED AND MY BOAT WAS RANSACKED WHEN I WAS OUT OF TOWN, AND I'VE WATCHED OTHER PEOPLE BOARD OTHER YACHTS, LIKE PEOPLE WHO WERE JUST VISITING, SO I UNDERSTAND IT WASN'T JUST OUT OF THE BLUE. >> IT'S NOT UNCOMMON. >> BUT I DO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S NOT REALLY A ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD EITHER HAVE A VOTE ON IT OR DO SOMETHING SO THAT THE PUBLIC ISN'T CONFUSED OR AND IF IT DOES BECOME A CONTINUING PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE GETTING HURT OR ANYTHING THEN OBVIOUSLY, [00:15:02] WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING MORE. BUT THERE WAS AN OFFICIAL VOTE FOR PUTTING UP THE GATES. >> THE GATES ARE ONE THING. I THINK IT'S THE SIGNAGE THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH TELLING PEOPLE THEY CAN'T GO OUT THERE DURING THE DAYTIME HOURS SO GATES. >> THE PREVIOUS GATES TOUGH THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD. WE APPROVED THE ASSET. >> WE APPROVED THAT YEARS AGO, AND IT TOOK QUITE A WHILE TO GET THEM. THEY JUST GOT PUT UP THERE MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF TWO YEARS AGO. >> BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> NO. SHE WASN'T TO GO OUT THERE DURING THE DAY, AND I AGREE WITH THAT. PUBLIC SHOULD HAVE ACCESS. IT'S A PUBLIC ASSET, AND I UNDERSTAND. >> ONE MORE QUESTION. >> I THINK WE HAD A QUESTION RIGHT HERE. >> ON THE SIDE, DOES IT GIVE HOURS ON THERE, LIKE A BOAT OWNERS ONLY FROM THIS TIME ON OR IS IT? >> NO. C&D DOCK BEING A WORKING DOCKET. IT'S DURING OPERATING HOURS. ONCE THE MARINA IS CLOSED FOR THE EVENING, THE GATE SHUTS, AND THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE ACCESS BEYOND THAT GATE ARE THOSE THAT ARE ON BOARD THE VESSELS OR OUR PERMANENT RESIDENTS AND CHARTER CAPTAINS, ETC. >> I UNDERSTAND THE SECURITY ISSUE, AND I UNDERSTAND THE SECURITY ISSUE AT NIGHT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE AS THE MARINA PRIOR MARINA ADVISORY BOARD, PROVED THOSE GATES FOR. >> HOW ABOUT IF THE MAIN THING IS THAT OUR CONCERN IS SAFETY. I UNDERSTAND ALL THE POINTS YOU BROUGHT UP, AND THOSE ARE SOME PRETTY BIG POINTS BECAUSE IT'S CONSTANTLY WORKING AND THERE'S A LOT OF HAZARD DOWN THERE. I MEAN, A LOT OF TRIP HAZARDS, THE FUEL. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS. I MEAN, I WOULD SUGGEST, INSTEAD OF SAYING JUST BOAT ORDERS ONLY A BIG CAUTION, WORKING WATERFRONT, ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WELCOME TO COME IN, BUT IT ALSO ALERTS THE M TO THE SAFETY ISSUES. >> SURE. >> ALSO, THE TIME PARAMETERS. I MEAN, WERE THERE TIME PARAMETERS FOR THE GATE WHEN YOU ALL VOTED ON THAT? >> WE DID. I THOUGHT FOR NIGHT. >> IT WAS FROM THEIR OPERATION FROM THE TIME THEY OPENED TO THE TIME THEY CLOSED. THE GATES THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO CLOSE WHEN THEY LEAVE D. >> I WILL SAY ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY IS THE REQUEST FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC NOT TO COME DOWN TO THAT DOCK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VESSELS THAT ARE DOWN THERE, THE SIZE OF THE VESSELS, THE CLIENTELE, ETC. THOSE BIG BOATS COULD BE OVER ON EDOCK, IF THERE WAS ENOUGH WATER, AND WE COULD HAVE 20 FOOT JOHN BOATS ALL DOWN THAT LONG DOCK, AND THE SAME POLICY WOULD RESIDE, BECAUSE AT LEAST ON THE NORTHERN END, BECAUSE OF THE FUELING COMPONENT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT DOCK. THE LARGER BOATS, BECAUSE OF THE LARGER LINES AND GREATER HAZARDS, ETC, OF COURSE, BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CLIENTELE, THE SIZE OF THE VESSELS AND WHO THESE FOLKS ARE, NONE WHATSOEVER. >> SINCE YOU'VE BEEN IN AN OFFICE THERE, YOU'VE BEEN THERE WHAT FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS? >> ABOUT THREE MONTHS. >> THREE MONTHS. HAS THERE BEEN ANY INCIDENTS WHERE SOMEONE'S GOTTEN HURT FROM WALKING DOWN THERE, ANYBODY YOU ALMOST RAN INTO SOMEBODY, BUT NOBODY GOT HURT. HAVE WE HAD ANY ACCIDENTS OR ANYTHING? >> NO. I MEAN, WE'VE HAD SOME SITUATIONS WHERE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PREVENT THEM BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE SEE PEOPLE AND THE STAFF HAVE BEEN TRAINED PREDICTIVE. KEEP AN EYE ON FOLKS THAT IF THEY COME DOWN AND THERE'S CHILDREN AND MOM AND DAD, I MEAN, WE WANT TO KEEP AN EYE ON THEM JUST IN CASE SOMEBODY WERE TO GO IN THE WATER, MOM AND DAD LOSE SIGHT OF THE CHILD, THE CHILD ENDS UP IN THE WATER. THERE'S A CURRENT, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, YOU GET CAUGHT BETWEEN A BOAT AND A DOCK. EVERYBODY'S BEEN TRYING TO KEEP AN EYE ON THEM, SO I THINK THAT REALLY BENEFITS THE LEVEL OF SAFETY THAT WE OFFER DOWN ON THE DOCKS, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY INCIDENTS, A COUPLE OF CLOSE CALLS, JUST BY BUMPING INTO PEOPLE THAT COULD HAVE CAUSED INJURY, BUT NO NOTHING TO BE NOTED. COOL. THANK YOU. >> IS ANYWAY, YOU ALL CAN CALLING THE SECTION OFF WHEN YOU'VE GOT A BOAT COMING IN. >> YOU KNOW WHERE YOU GOT A BOAT COMING IN BECAUSE THEY CALL. >> I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. YOU HAVE 2025 BOATS COMING IN A NIGHT IN NOVEMBER, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE CASE. I MEAN, WE'RE A FULL HOUSE, EVERYTHING SPOKEN FOR WE'RE ON A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT DOCKS. I I DON'T SEE THAT BEING FEASIBLE. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT CHASING ANYBODY DOWN. I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME, BUT TITA? >> YES. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BREAK A RULE AND WALK DOWN THERE WITH A SIGN THERE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET ARRESTED FOR TRIES. >> BUT THAT'S THE THING. NOBODY'S GOING TO GET ARRESTED, NOBODY'S GOING TO GET APPROACHED. IT LIMITS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON WHEN THEY'RE ON THAT DOCK. BUT IF YOU CHOSE TO COME DOWN, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO, NOBODY WILL ENGAGE YOU IN REFERENCE TO BEING ON THAT DOCK. [00:20:04] IT'S STRICTLY BE A SUGGESTION. >> CAN WE FIND OUT ONE MORE THING? WAS THAT INTERNAL RULE MAKING ON THIS SIGN, OR WAS IT A ORDINANCE? >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ORDINANCE INVOLVED THERE AT. >> LIKE INTERNAL RULE MAKE BASICALLY? >> WELL, I THINK, IT WAS A MANAGEMENT DECISION AT SOME POINT IN TIME WHENEVER THAT WAS DONE BASED ON THE MANAGERS. >> IT'S PRETTY STANDARD MARINA OPERATING POLICY, A DOCK LIKE THAT IS NOT ACCESS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. >> I THINK IF WE HAD A BETTER WALKING PROMENADE ALONG THE WATERFRONT, PEOPLE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO WALK ON AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE AS MUCH. >> IS IT HARD TO PUT A TIME ON THE SIGN? YOU CAN'T GO THERE. WE ARE ALL CLOSED, 6:00 PM TO 7:00 AM. YOU CAN'T WALK THERE. >> YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO WITH THE GATE WHEN THE GATE IS SHUT. I MEAN, THE GATE SHUTS AFTER HOURS. THIS IS REALLY DURING OPERATING HOURS, BECAUSE ONCE WE DEPART FROM THE FACILITY, THE GATE SHUTS. >> THE PUBLIC HAS A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. THEY CAN WALK DOWN THERE, BUT THEY CANNOT FROM 6:00 PM TO 7:00 AM. THAT WOULD THEY GOT A BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WALKING DOWN THERE IF THEY LIKE TO. >> AGAIN, I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO OBLIGE AND WHATEVER THE RULING ENDS UP BEING, I MEAN, WE'LL JUST ALTER OUR OPERATION TO MAINTAIN THE SAFETY AND THE LEVEL OF SAFETY THAT WE DO ON A DAILY BASIS. >> I LIKE THE IDEA THAT JUST A CAUTIONARY SIGN UP THERE, BECAUSE WHEN THEY SHUT THE GATE, OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN'T WALK OUT THERE. >> IF THE POSITION OF THE CITY IS GOING TO BE THAT IT'S A WORKING OR NOT WORKING, IT'S A WORKING WATERFRONT, IF THE POSITION IS GOING TO BE THAT IT'S OPEN ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC AND THEY'RE WELCOME TO COME THERE. THE SIGN THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW SENDS A DIFFERENT MESSAGE. I MAYBE CHANGING THE SIGN TO A CAUTIONARY SIGN WOULD ALERT THEM WOULD CHANGE THAT, BUT THEY WOULDN'T FEEL BAD ABOUT IF THEY KNOW THEY'RE WELCOME, BUT THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME DANGER THERE. >> I COULD SAY CAUTION FUELING VESSELS, INGRESS AND EGRESS OF VESSELS JUST SO THEY UNDERSTAND. >> TAKE THAT THE SAME WITH THE NO SMOKING SIGNS. PUT IT ALL ON ONE THING. DEFINITELY INCORPORATE NO SMOKING. >> I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU THOUGH IF YOU DO HAVE PROBLEMS, AND WE DO NEED TO MAKE AN ALTERNATIVE MORE OF SOMETHING TO VOTE ON THAT WE DO NEED TO ADD ONLY GUESTS AND VOTE OWNERS ONLY AS A MANAGERIAL DECISION. >> SURE. >> WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU. >> YEAH, I THINK YOU FIND THAT THE TOURISTS SEE THE SIGN AND GO, OH, I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO GO DOWN THERE, AND THEY WILL CONGREGATE UP IN THAT AREA AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE BOATS. I THINK SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WILL FREELY COME DOWN. AGAIN, LIKE I'VE SAID A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES. WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP YOU. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU YOU SHOULDN'T. IT IS STRICTLY JUST A CAUTIONARY LEVEL SIGN. UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PREFERRED VERBIAGE NEEDS TO BE REVISED FOR A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH INCLUDING NO SMOKING. >> SORRY. WHAT IF IT'S LIKE PETER'S POINT, I KNOW THAT'S COUNTY, BUT WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE A CITY RESIDENT ONLY? WHAT IF IT SAID CITY RESIDENTS ONLY OR SOMETHING? >> THEY'RE NOT GOING TO POLICE THAT? >> THEY'RE NOT. BUT NOW I FEEL LIKE IT IS FAIR TO EVERYBODY. >> BUT THEN HER GUESTS CAN'T COME, SO IT'S NOT FAIR. I WOULD I LIKE TOURISTS COMING DOWN BECAUSE WE GET BUSINESS OUT OF THAT. YOU'VE ALREADY TAKEN BRETT'S MARINA, I MEAN, BRETT'S RESTAURANT FROM THE PUBLIC. I MEAN, THAT'S DROVE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO IT AND I'D LIKE TO SEE A DRAW STILL AT THE WATERFRONT HERE FOR PEOPLE TO COME DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT HERE TO GO TO A RIVER. THEY'RE HERE TO GO TO THE BEACH. THEY'RE HERE TO HANG OUT, SO WE NEED SOMETHING TO DRAW THEM DOWNTOWN, AND THE MARINA IS WHAT WE HAVE LEFT, TAKEN BRETT'S RESTAURANT FROM. >> I GUESS UNTIL IT'S A REAL PROBLEM, WE GET TO HAVE THE SIGN DOWN LEGALLY? >> I MEAN, HOW MUCH TROUBLE IS IT WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO IF WE WANTED TO SAY, WE WANT TO CHANGE A SIGN? >> I GUESS YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION, AND THEN I'M NOT SURE IF THEY WOULD CHOOSE TO ACT ON IT OR NOT. >> THAT MAKE A MOTION. >> ANY LANGUAGE I KNOW THAT THEY GOT FMA MONEY. IS THERE ANY LANGUAGE IN THE FMA? WHEN HE GOT THE MONEY FROM FMA THAT REGULATES THIS, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE HE TOOK PUBLIC DOLLARS TO REBUILD THE MARINA. IS THERE ANYTHING? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT. >> DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE A HELPFUL GUIDELINE. >> NO. WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT AND THEN BRING IT BACK AND GLENN'S SAYING HE'LL DO THAT. >> I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT VOTE ON THE NEXT TIME. I MEAN, I'M ALL FOR THE PUBLIC DOWN THERE. BUT WHEN IT CUTS OFF AT NIGHT. >> WELL, WHAT WE CAN DO IS ONLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION [00:25:04] TO THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW IT AND THEN TO APPROVE IT. WE WE COULDN'T APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY DO TO TAKE IT FURTHER FOR THEM TO GET MORE DISCUSSION AND IF THEY WANT TO SEE TALK TO STAFF IN PARTICULAR ABOUT OTHER STAFF BESIDES THE MARINA MANAGER, IF THEY HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT OR CONFLICTS OR WHAT THAT COULD CAUSE BY CHANGING PROBLEMS THAT MAYBE IT'S AN INSURANCE ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW. >> THANK YOU. >> BUT BY DOING SOMETHING TONIGHT, WE AT LEAST SEND IT TO THE COMMISSION. >> NOT NECESSARILY THE LANGUAGE, BUT WE JUST WANT TO CHANGE IT TO A CAUTIONARY TYPE SIGN. >> CORRECT AND NO SMOKING. >> SMOKING. >> IF THERE IS VERBIAGE THAT THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD FEELS IS MANDATORY, NECESSARY, OR YOU FEEL YOU HAVE EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT IT TO SAY. I MEAN, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, IMPLEMENT IT, AND BRING IT THROUGH TO FRUITION. >> WELL, I'VE BEEN WALKING THEM DOCKS SINCE 1962. DESERVE IT. KEEP GOING. >> I AGREE. WE'VE GOT I SPEAK ANOTHER YET. >> GLENNA CROMA, PROJECT MANAGER. I THINK WHAT YOU ALL HAVE COME UP WITH A LOT OF, FIRST OF ALL, GOOD QUESTIONS THAT WE SHOULD ANSWER AS STAFF. SECOND, A NUMBER OF IDEAS THAT WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT. FOR US TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT AS STAFF MOST EFFECTIVELY, I THINK WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE IS, LET US DO ALL THE RESEARCH, BRING BACK ALL THE ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS, AND THEN YOU'D BE ABLE TO MAKE A VERY CLEAR RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION SO THEY CAN HAVE SOMETHING THEY CAN REALLY ACT ON AND THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT FAIRLY QUICKLY. I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE IT GO FASTER. I KNOW WE'LL WAIT ANOTHER MONTH, BUT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A FOLLOW UP ON ALL THE HISTORY, FIND OUT IF IT'S AN INSURANCE ISSUE OR NOT, AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE FRAMED THE ISSUE AND HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. >> IT'S GOING TO BE OUR POINT PERSON ON THIS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> I WILL TAKE THE POINT ON IT AS WELL. CHRIS AND I WILL WORK ON IT TO GET. >> THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE. >> ALSO ABOUT THE FMA FUNDS, IF THAT HAS IT? >> THAT'S DEFINITELY WE HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR ON THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW. I'VE BEEN A PART OF A LOT OF FMA THINGS, AND SOMETIMES THEY HAVE THOSE REQUIREMENTS. SOMETIMES THEY DON'T. WE HAVE THE ANSWERS, AND WE'LL BE ON YOUR AGENDA NEXT TIME. >> PERFECT, THANKS. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. APPRECIATE IT. >> GO BACK TO BUSINESS. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? OLD BUSINESS REVIEW OF THE SEAWALL PLANS. [6.1 Review of Sea Wall Plans and Funding] WE HAVE A FANCY FORUM HERE. THIS IS NICE. >> A KRONO PROJECT MANAGER. BEFORE I GO INTO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS. LORI IS HERE TODAY. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT FUNDING AS WELL AS YOU'VE REQUESTED. BUT WHAT I WANTED TO DO REAL QUICK TO START IS TO TALK ABOUT HOW A PROJECT DEVELOPS. CAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN IT GETS TO THE PUBLIC OR IT GETS TO YOU, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE AND A LOT OF THOUGHT. I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT PROCESS. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE NOW HAVE A FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT YOU CAN SEE, AND WE CAN WE ACTUALLY FOLLOW, WHICH I THINK IS VERY HELPFUL. THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE STARTED NOW IS WE'RE ACTUALLY CREATING A 20 YEAR PLAN, AND THAT 20 YEAR PLAN IS THE WISH LIST. IT'S ALL THE HOPES AND DREAMS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS. THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS, AND THEN THAT FEEDS THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. IN THE NEXT BUDGET PROCESS, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE FEEDING THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. NOW, WE ALSO KNOW THAT EMERGENCIES HAPPEN. WE HAVE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD OUT HERE, WHERE CONDITIONS CHANGED, AND WE NEEDED TO TAKE ACTION. THOSE THINGS ARE RE-PRIORITIZED AND WE PRIORITIZE YOUR FIVE YEAR LIST. WE ONLY HAVE LIMITED FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE NEED. WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN, I THINK IT'S AT $90 MILLION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY LOWER THAN MOST COMMUNITIES THAT I'M USED TO THIS SIZE, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT AS BAD AS YOU WOULD THINK. [00:30:01] THE 20 YEAR PLAN TENDS TO REALLY FOCUS ON GROWTH OR STABILITY. WHEN YOU'RE STARTING TO BUILD THINGS. NOW LIKE WE KNOW, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE SEAWALL WALL IN A MINUTE. ONCE NOW WE'VE CHOSEN, WE GO THROUGH A BUDGET PROCESS AND THE PROJECTS ARE CHOSEN. THAT'S CHOSEN BY THE COMMUNITY, AND ULTIMATELY, THE COMMISSION MAKES THE FINAL CHOICE ON THAT. AS STAFF, WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WHAT PROJECTS WE THINK SHOULD BE TOP PRIORITY, AND WE BASE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A EIGHT POINTED CRITERIA THAT WE USE TO DO THAT AND THAT'S PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME TONIGHT, BUT I'D BE GLAD TO SEND IT TO YOU IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. IT'S ALSO IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. ALL OF THE EIGHT GO TO SAFETY FIRST AND EMERGENT ISSUES, AND THEN TO FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEN YOU GO INTO THE NEXT LAST PHASES, AESTHETICS AND THOSE WANTS AND NEEDS TO ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY. CONTRARY TO POPULAR OPINION, YOU DO GET TO THOSE ENHANCEMENTS EVENTUALLY AS YOU START TO IMPROVE YOUR COMMUNITY. THIS COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW IS GOING THROUGH A REDO, LIKE THEY DID IN THE 70S AND 80S, WE'RE REFRESHING A NUMBER OF ITEMS. THAT HAS A BIG COST. ONCE WE GET NOW WE'VE CHOSEN OUR PROJECTS, NOW WE ASSIGN PROJECT MANAGERS, A LOT OF THE BIG ONES NOW COME TO ME, AND WE START PREPARING. WE ARE LOOKING AT FIRST DESIGN, SO YOU GO THROUGH A DESIGN PROCESS, AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE DESIGN PROCESSES MOSTLY COMPLETED WITH THE SEAWALL. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT PART. THE DESIGN PROCESS CAN TAKE ANYWHERE FROM SIX MONTHS, DEPENDING ON A MAJOR PROJECT, ANYWHERE FROM SIX MONTHS TO TWO YEARS, IT'S A LONG THOUGHT OUT PROCESS BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THINGS TWICE. I THINK SOME HAVE WITNESSED THAT HAPPEN, AND IT'S NEVER A GOOD THING. YOU ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE TAKEN ALL YOUR CONTINGENCIES AND HAVE ALL YOUR FACTORS IN MIND. WE DON'T HAVE AN INTERNAL DESIGN STAFF, SO WE HIRED IT OUT. WE HAVE TO WORK WITH A CONSULTANT THAT DOES THAT PROCESS. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE COST OF A CONSULTANT, IT SHOULD BE ROUGHLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10-17% OF THE ULTIMATE PROJECT, SHOULD BE THE DESIGN. SOME OF OURS HAVE BEEN A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THAT, SOME A LITTLE BIT LOWER. BUT THAT'S THE GENERAL RANGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN WE'RE NEGOTIATING THAT PROCESS. NOW WE HAVE THEM, WE HAVE A DESIGN. HERE, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS, WE HAVE TO TAKE IT THROUGH A NUMBER OF COMMITTEES. WHEN, LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO BRING THIS TO YOU TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO BRING YOU BRETT'S. WE'RE GOING TO BRING YOU BRETT'S PHASE 2. ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE CRA OR IN THE WATERFRONT, WE ARE GOING TO BRING TO YOU SO THAT WE GET YOUR INPUT, AND THEN WE MAKE SURE WE GET YOUR SUPPORT. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE PROCESS. THEN THE NEXT STEP IS WE ALSO HAVE AN INTERNAL GROUP, THE TRC THAT REVIEWS IT, THE HDC REVIEWS IT. LIKE THE PARK OVER HERE, THE PARKS RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE ALSO REVIEWED IT. WE MAKE SURE AND WE'RE PUTTING A PLAN TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS A LOOK AT IT. THEN THE COMMISSION GETS A LOOK AT IT AS THE FINAL PIECE OF THAT PROCESS. NOW WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING APPROVED. WE HAVE OUR FUNDING SOURCE, AND THAT'S NOT AN EASY PART OF THE PROCESS AND LAURE' WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE GRANT PROCESS IN A MINUTE. BUT WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHAT OUR FUNDING SOURCES ARE, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CAN NOT ONLY COVER THE BASE PROJECT, BUT A CONTINGENCY, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS HAVE UNKNOWNS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE REBUILDING. CONTINGENCY CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM 10-20 OR 25%. >> WHEN WE GET TO THE SEAWALL, I'M GOING TO PLAN FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE NECESSARILY GOING TO FIND BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY WALL THERE. WE'VE GOT OUR FUNDING SOURCE, WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING IN PROCESS, NOW WE HAVE TO GO OUT TO BID. WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO TO BID FOR A COUPLE OF PROJECTS. THE KEY TO A GOOD PROJECT IS THE SCOPE OF WORK. WHAT THAT MEANS IS SOMETIME WE HAVE TO THINK OF EVERY LITTLE CONTINGENCY, BECAUSE WHATEVER WE DON'T THINK OF TURNS INTO A CHANGE ORDER AND MORE MONEY, AND THOSE ARE WHERE YOU HAVE CHALLENGES. THERE ARE CONTRACTORS WHO BID GOVERNMENT PROJECTS. THEY LOW BID BECAUSE WE GENERALLY HAVE TO TAKE THE LOW BID. THERE ARE OTHER CRITERIA, [00:35:01] BUT WE GENERALLY HAVE TO. THEY WILL BID TO GET THE LOW BID SO THEY CAN CHANGE ORDERS. WE HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC SO THEY CAN'T DO THAT. THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS ARE A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CONTRACTOR. WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR A CONTRACTOR WHO WILL PARTNER WITH US RATHER THAN JUST FOCUS ON FINISHING AND CHECKING THE BOXES. NOW, THE SCOPE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE SPEC BOOKS THAT WILL BE MADE FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS LIKE THE SEAWALL, IT WILL BE AT LEAST TWO VOLUMES, PROBABLY THREE. IT'LL BE THIS MUCH OF SPECS, BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC ON THOSE THINGS, SO WE GET THE QUALITY THAT WE NEED, BUT ALSO THE PROJECTS ARE APPLES TO APPLES WHEN WE'RE BIDDING. NOW WHEN WE GET THE BID, WE WILL TAKE THE MOST RESPONSIVE LOW BID. THAT'S THE GENERAL REQUIREMENT. AGAIN, THE TIGHTER WE ARE ON THE SCOPE, THE NARROWER THOSE NUMBERS ARE. YOU WILL HAVE PEOPLE WHO BID ON PROJECTS, AND WHEN THEY COME OUT, YOU'LL BE AMAZED THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE SAME PROJECT. BECAUSE SOME MAY BUILD IT TWO MILLION, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE'S FIVE MILLION FOR THE SAME SPEC BOOK AND EVERYTHING. BUT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY NEED, AND THAT'S HOW THEY GO ABOUT IT. NOW WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE BIDDING PROCESS, WE'VE CHOSEN ONE, NOW WE NEED TO PREP THEM. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL DO FROM NOW ON IS WE'LL DO A PRECONSTRUCTION MEETING, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY GET THEIR NOTICE TO PROCEED. THEY DON'T GET IT UNTIL THEY MEET WITH US. THERE'S A COUPLE OF KEY COMPONENTS TO THAT. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ON BOARD WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND OUR COMMUNITY. THEY GO FROM COMMUNITY TO COMMUNITY. THIS ONE IS DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER, AND ALL ARE DIFFERENT, AND THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND ALL THOSE IMPLICATIONS. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS. THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT NEEDS TO BE IMPACTED. IF WE'VE GOT BUSINESSES, THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT, AND WE NEED TO DICTATE HOW THEY ARE GOING TO MANAGE AROUND THE BUSINESSES SO THE BUSINESSES CAN BE SUCCESSFUL. NOW WE'VE DONE THAT, WE GIVE THEM THE WORK. A LITTLE LATER, I'LL GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE PARK. ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS TO ANY PROJECT IS THE NUMBER OF DAYS THAT THEY GET TO COMPLETE IT. THE NUMBER OF DAYS, YOU WANT TO MAKE IT FAIRLY TIGHT SO IT PRESSES THEM TO GET THE WORK DONE, SO THEY STAY STEADY, BUT ALSO THAT BECOMES A NEGOTIATING POINT AS YOU'RE DOING CHANGE ORDERS. IF YOU MAKE IT TIGHT, EVERY TIME WE DO A CHANGE ORDER, THEY'RE GOING TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL DAYS. THAT'S THE CHALLENGE WITH THE WATERFRONT. IT HAS TOO MANY DAYS IN THE CONTRACT. WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE DAYS ARE AND WHAT WE THINK IT IS. IF WE THINK IT TAKES SIX MONTHS, IT'S 180 DAYS, AND THAT'S WHAT THE CONTRACT IS. THAT'S IN THE SPEC BOOK, THEY AGREED TO IT. IF THEY DON'T MEET IT, WE CAN HAVE PENALTIES, AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THOSE PENALTIES IF THEY DON'T MEET IT, AND IT'S THEIR FAULT. NOW, IF IT'S OUR FAULT, WE NEED TO BE GIVING THEM DAYS IF WE MAKE A MISTAKE OR SOMETHING IS DELAYED, SAY WE'RE WORKING ON THE WATERFRONT AND WE WANT THEM TO CLEAR OUT SO THAT WE CAN DO SHRIMP FEST. WELL, WE NEED TO GIVE THEM DAYS AND PLAN FOR THOSE THINGS. THOSE ARE ALL PART OF THE FACTORS AS WE BUILD A PROJECT. THEN THE IDEA IS THAT AGAIN, WE PARTNER WITH THEM AS LONG AS THEY LET US PARTNER WITH THEM AND WE KEEP WORKING TO GET THE PROJECT DONE. WE HAVE HIGH PROFILE PROJECTS COMING UP. FOR A CONTRACTOR, HIGH PROFILE PROJECTS ARE JUST LIKE US, ARE CHALLENGING, BUT WHEN THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL, THEY WILL GET MORE HIGH PROFILE PROJECTS AND HIGH PROFILE ARE HIGH DOLLARS, AND SO THEIR COMPANY CAN GET A REPUTATION. THAT'S PART OF WHERE WE WANT TO WORK WITH THEM AND HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THAT. WE GO THROUGH CONSTRUCTION. NOW CONSTRUCTION IS FINISHED. WE NOW HAVE PUNCH LIST ITEMS. WE DID THAT TODAY. WE WALKED THROUGH SECOND STREET OR THE GENERAL THERE, BUT WE DID THE PUNCH LIST TODAY, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH AND FINISH THAT, AND WHEN THE PUNCH LIST IS DONE, THAT'S WHEN THE CONTRACTOR GETS RELEASED. THEN WE CAN RELEASE ALL THEIR FINAL FUNDS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF AND THEY'RE LET LOOSE. WE DO KEEP FUNDS ASIDE IN RETAINAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY DON'T DELIVER, WE CAN KEEP THAT. THAT'S HAPPENED BEFORE ON CITY PROJECTS. WELL, WE KEEP IT, AND WE HIRE SOMEONE ELSE WITH THAT MONEY SO IT DOESN'T COST US ANY MORE MONEY. [00:40:04] IF THE PROJECT GOES WELL, IT'S AWESOME. THAT'S GREAT. IF IT DOESN'T, THERE CAN BE CLAIMS AGAINST US AND AGAINST THE CONTRACTOR, AND THEN YOU END UP GOING TO COURT. NEVER A GOAL FOR EITHER SIDE, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN, AND IT CAN HAPPEN. THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS. IT'S VERY INCUMBENT ON US AND OUR CONSULTANTS THAT WE KEEP IMPECCABLE RECORDS. THAT'S THE WAY WE PLAN EVERY PROJECT; IS THAT IT'S GOING TO GO TO COURT. IF WE DO THAT, WE MAKE SURE OUR DETAILS ARE TAKEN CARE OF. I WOULD SAY 99 AND 100 DON'T, SO THANKFULLY. I JUST WANTED TO WALK THROUGH HOW THE PROJECT IS EVOLVED. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE RESILIENCY WALL. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. WE ARE ACTUALLY PREPARING. WE'RE IN THE PERMIT PROCESS. I SHOULD PROBABLY GO THROUGH THE SEGMENTS FIRST. LET ME GO THROUGH THE SCHEDULE AND THE WAY WE'VE GOT IT BROKEN DOWN. SEGMENT 1 IS ON THE FAR SOUTH END, AND THAT IS ALONG THE FRONT STREET THERE? >> SOUTH FRONT. >> YEAH. IT STAYS FRONT STREET, EVEN THOUGH IT TURNS. RIGHT ALONG FRONT STREET. THAT ONE IS IN PERMITTING, BUT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A CORE OF ENGINEERING PERMIT. WE DO A PRE-APP MEETING WITH THE ST. JOHNS WATER. I THINK THAT'S WEEK AFTER NEXT, SO IN DECEMBER. THAT WILL HELP US AND OUR CONSULTANT GET A REALLY CLEAN APPLICATION FOR THE PERMIT, AND SO IT CAN MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT FASTER. WHEN YOU SEE IN THE BLUE, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE CALLING SEGMENT 0 BECAUSE IT'S DONE. IT'S RIGHT ALONG THE PARK. THAT PART IS ALREADY COMPLETED. BECAUSE WE STARTED ON SEGMENT 1, WE HAD TO GO BACKWARDS SOMEWHERE. THEN RIGHT AROUND THE BOAT LAUNCH, SO FROM WHERE SEGMENT 0 ENDS TO JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BOAT LAUNCH IS SEGMENT 2. REALLY, IT'S THE BOAT LAUNCH, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT WHY WE DID THAT IN A MINUTE. THE SEGMENT 3 IS FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BOAT LAUNCH THROUGH BRETT'S RIGHT TO THE VERY NORTH END OF THE BUILDING, AND THEN SEGMENT 4 IS OUR PORTION NORTH OF BRETT'S TO THE END OF OUR PROPERTY RIGHT THERE. DO WE HAVE A PLAN TO CONTINUE IN SEGMENT 5? YES. THE REASON THAT IT'S NOT ON HERE, AND WE TOOK IT OFF IS BECAUSE WE ARE ONE OF MANY PROPERTY OWNERS THERE, AND AS PROPERTY OWNERS, WE ALL NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE AS A GROUP, WE THINK IT SHOULD GO AND GET AN ALIGNMENT SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE SO THAT WHEN WE GO TO THE CORE TO GET THE PERMIT PROCESS MOVING, WE ALL HAVE A GROUP JUSTIFICATION. THAT IS HELPFUL IN THE PROCESS. WE ARE WORKING ON SEGMENT 5 RIGHT NOW. THAT PART ISN'T PERMITTED. WE'RE JUST TALKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. I'LL UPDATE YOU LATER ON THE HARBOR MASTER PLAN, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT REALLY COMES INTO PLAY. SEGMENT 1, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE IN PRE-PERMITTING. WE BELIEVE THAT THE PERMIT PROCESS WILL BE THREE OR FOUR MONTHS LONG, GIVE OR TAKE A LITTLE BIT, AND AS SOON AS WE GET THE PERMITS, WE HAVE THE DESIGN IN HAND, WE WILL GO TO BID. THAT COULD BE GOING TO BID WE'RE HOPING BY THE BEGINNING OF MARCH. >> CAN I ASK YOU, GLENN, WHO DO YOU OFF TO PERMIT THROUGH? THE ST. JOHNS? >> THAT'S IT. >> THAT'S IT? >> THAT'S IT. >> ONLY ONCE? >> THAT'S IT. >> NOBODY HOLDING IT OUT? >> NO. >> THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER] >> WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THE RAMP TO CLOSE THAT OFF IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE THE SEAWALL THERE AND KEEP THE WATER BACK? >> WHEN YOU WALK DOWN THE CURRENT WALL, YOU SEE THE BRAKES IN IT, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME PIECES THAT WE HAVE STORED OFF THAT WE SLIDE IN THERE. THAT'S THE INITIAL PLAN. THE DESIGN IS GOING TO BE COMPLICATED FOR THAT. >> YES. >> FOR SURE. THEN KEEPING THEM MAINTAINED AND OPERATIONAL IS GOING TO BE A ONGOING CHALLENGE. [00:45:04] BUT AT THIS POINT, IF THE BOAT RAMPS STAY IN THERE, THEN THAT'S HOW WE'VE GOT TO DESIGN AROUND THAT. THAT'S THE REASON WE'VE LEFT IT TO LAST BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S THE MOST COMPLICATED PIECE, AND BECAUSE IT'S A BOAT RAMP AND IT'S GOING INTO THE WATER, IT'S GOING TO BE THE MOST EXPENSIVE. WE'RE PLANNING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE LAST PIECE, AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND IT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO SHOW ALL THE GRANTING AGENCIES, ALL THE FUNDING AGENCIES, AND THE PERMITTING AGENCIES THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD AND TAKING ACTION. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT IN THAT ENTIRE PROCESS. PARTS OF SEGMENT 3 AND SEGMENT 4 WILL BE COMPLETED DURING THE BRETT'S DEMOLITION. >> SPEAKING OF THAT, CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE? >> I WILL. LET ME RIGHT FINISH THIS ONE AND THEN I'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT. ON THE FUNDING, I'M GOING TO HAVE LAUREL COME UP IN JUST A SECOND AND GO THROUGH THE GRANT PROCESS. MOST OF THIS HAS BEEN FUNDED TO DATE BY GRANTS. WE HAD A DESIGN GRANT. WE HAVE A TWO-MILLION-DOLLAR GRANT THAT'S GOING TO PRETTY MUCH FUND SEGMENT 1, AND THEN WE HAVE THE FOUR MILLION DOLLARS THAT WILL DO THE BRETT'S AREA OF THE SEGMENT 3 AND 4. THAT'S PENDING BIDS. >> DO WE ALREADY HAVE THE PERMITS FOR SEGMENT 3? >> WE DO NOT. WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE PERMITS ON SEGMENT 2, 03, AND 4. TO THE CORE. NOW, WE ALL KNOW THAT THEY WERE IN THE SHUTDOWN. THEY WERE IMPACTED BY THAT, BUT WE ALREADY GOT COMMENTS BACK. WE SUBMITTED AND IT WAS LESS THAN 30 DAYS, LIKE 20 DAYS, WE GOT COMMENTS BACK. WE HAVE A LIST OF COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO ANSWER. I THINK THERE'S 18 OF THEM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT BAD. THE FACT THAT THEY GOT US WITHIN 20 DAYS REALLY IS A POSITIVE SIGN FOR US. OUR GOAL WAS TO GET PERMITS FROM THE CORE BY APRIL. WE COULD START CONSTRUCTION IN MID-JUNE. AT THIS POINT, WE'RE STILL ON PACE FOR THAT. >> NOT JUST ST. JOHNS. WHAT DID YOU ASK? >> FOR ST. JOHNS, JUST ON SEGMENT 1. >> JUST SEGMENT 1. >> YEAH. THEN THE CORE IS THE JURISDICTION ON EVERYTHING ELSE. THE CORE IS THE HARDER PART OF THE PROCESS, NO DOUBT, BECAUSE IT'S FEDERAL. BEFORE I GO INTO THE UPDATED, LIKE LAUREL TO COME UP AND WALK YOU THROUGH THE GRANT PROCESS AND HOW WE WENT ABOUT GETTING THEM AND HOW WE SPEND THE MONEY. >> GOOD EVENING, CHAIR SHAFFER AND MEMBERS OF THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD. IT'S VERY NICE TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY. THE GRANTS. I CAN GO INTO GREAT DETAIL. THE CHART YOU HAVE PROVIDES GREAT DETAIL ALSO. BUT IN SUMMARY, WE RECEIVED EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS SO FAR IN GRANT FUNDS, AND WE HAVE NOT STARTED ANY CONSTRUCTION. AS GLENN MENTIONED, CONSTRUCTION WILL START APPROXIMATELY JUNE OF 2026, AND THEN BE COMPLETED IN APPROXIMATELY MAY OF 2028. THIS SECTION OF THE SEAWALL IS ALL THE CITY OWNED CONTIGUOUS PROPERTIES. THIS IS ABOUT 2,100 LINEAR FEET. ALSO, THAT WAS ANOTHER REASON FOR NOT INCLUDING SEGMENT 5 BECAUSE IT WASN'T CONTIGUOUS. THIS VERSION OF THE SEAWALL IS CITY-OWNED CONTIGUOUS FEET. WITH THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE ALREADY, EIGHT MILLION, IT WILL TAKE US ALL THE WAY TO COMPLETING 70% OF THIS DISTANCE. WE HAVE TWO GRANT APPLICATIONS PENDING. WE HAVE ANOTHER RESILIENT FLORIDA GRANT THAT WILL BRING IN 1.5 MILLION IF IT'S AWARDED. THE CITY WILL MATCH IT WITH 1.5, AND THEN WE HAVE A NEW APPROPRIATION FOR AN ADDITIONAL FOUR MILLION. IF WE RECEIVE THOSE TWO FUNDING STREAMS, THAT WILL BE SUFFICIENT TO BRING THIS TO 86% COMPLETION. >> WOW. >> I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. >> THIS MIGHT BE FOR YOU, BUT WITHOUT SECTION 5, ARE ONE THROUGH FOUR WORTH ANYTHING FOR US? >> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. >> THANK YOU. >> VERY EXCITING. >> ABSOLUTELY, THEY'RE WORTH SOMETHING. WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED ROUGHLY 50% OF THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF IT. WE, AS THE CITY, HAVE MADE SURE THAT WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING ON OUR PROPERTY. [00:50:01] WHAT IT DOES IS IT ALLOWS US TO WORK ON PERMITTING THE NEXT PHASE. THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AS WE MOVE FORWARD? AGAIN, AGREEING ON THE ALIGNMENT IS THE FIRST THING, THEN AGREEING ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO GO ABOUT PARTNERING, BECAUSE AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR TOUR, THE CRA IS GOING TO BENEFIT FROM ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENS THERE AND THAT MONEY CAN BE USED TO CONTINUE TO BENEFIT THE CRA. AS WE START TO MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION, THE VALUES GO UP. WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THIS SECTION TO COMPLETE. WE HAVE THAT ONE SECTION THAT'S MISSING. ONE OF THE POSITIVES IS ON THE FAR NORTH END IS THE PORT. THE PORT IS ACCESS TO SOME FEDERAL MONEY. AGAIN, WHEN WE SHOW THAT WE CAN BUILD SOMETHING AND THAT WE'VE BUILT AND DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN, WE CONTINUE TO GET MORE FUNDING AND MORE OPPORTUNITIES. SINCE I GOT HERE, HER AND I HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO GET SOMETHING BUILT BECAUSE THE STATE WANTS TO SEE US BUILD SOMETHING. WE'VE PUSHED AS HARD AS WE CAN, AND WE'RE NOW ALMOST RIGHT THERE. ONCE WE START BUILDING, THEY'LL BE MORE WILLING TO GIVE US MONEY BECAUSE WE DELIVER. GRANTING AGENCIES, THE WHOLE THING IS THEY WANT YOU TO SEE THEIR MONEY SPENT AND SPENT WELL. >> THIS EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS, WE DON'T HAVE IT, REALLY. IT'S JUST AVAILABLE TO US? >> WELL, WE HAVE IT. IT'S A REIMBURSED. >> PLAN. YOU NOTICED THE COMMISSION APPROVED THAT LINE OF CREDIT. THAT'S HOW WE CAN GO ABOUT. WE SPEND THE MONEY, WE PAY THE CONTRACTOR, AND THEN WE MAKE REQUESTS FOR REFUND BASED ON THE GRANTS. AS LONG AS WE MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, WE GET THAT, AND THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS. >> HOW LONG DOES IT NORMALLY TAKE TO GET REIMBURSEMENT? IS IT PRETTY QUICK? TURN AROUND? >> IT IS QUICK. YOU HAVE TO PRODUCE THE DELIVERABLES. >> YES. >> THERE'S DELIVERABLES FOR THE DESIGN PHASE, DELIVERABLES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, CERTIFICATION BY THE ENGINEER DEPOSIT BEN, BUT AS LONG AS YOU'RE QUEUED UP WITH YOUR DELIVERABLES. IT IS QUICK. >> REAL QUICK. ANYTIME YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I THINK WE'RE GETTING SEVERAL AT ONE TIME, AND THEN ANYBODY OUT THERE. >> I COULDN'T SEE THE OTHER PEOPLE. >> I KNOW YOU THOSE RIGHT THROUGH. TRYING TO DO MY JOB. >> I WILL LOOK TO YOU TO TELL. >> GOT IT. >> YOU TELL ME WHO TO ANSWER. >> QUESTION. YOU SAID ALL CITY PROPERTY. THE VENTURA BUILDING IS CITY PROPERTY, AND THAT'S THE LOWEST PROPERTY ON FRONT STREET. HOW CAN WE BUILD THAT UP IN THE MEANTIME TO CONTINUE TO STOP THAT FLOODING THAT COMES ONTO FRONT STREET? ANYTIME IT FLOODS IT'S VENTURA, THAT'S CITY OWNED PROPERTY, AND IT COMES UP TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND BACK. WE CAN BUILD THAT UP WITH DEBRIS AND ALL FROM CONCRETE. I BELIEVE IT IS LEGAL. CAN WE BUILD THAT UP TO CONTROL SOME OF THAT IN THE MEANTIME? >> COULD, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW THE FLOW WORKS, IT'S CHALLENGING BECAUSE WATER IS GOING TO GO WHERE WATER GOES, AND WE HAVE PIPES AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT. THEY DON'T HAVE CHECK VALVES. WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO FIX THAT WILL ALL BE PART OF THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THESE PROJECTS. AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE GO NORTH, EACH OF THOSE THINGS WILL BE ABLE TO ENHANCE ON NOT ONLY THE OPERATIONS PIECE AND KEEP THE FLOODING IN CHECK, BECAUSE PART OF THE DESIGN HAS TO BE IF IT DOES BREACH THE NINE FOOT WALL, WE NEED TO LET THE WATER OUT FAST. WE HAVE TO MAKE BECAUSE WE'RE PLANNING FOR THE MAJOR FLOOD LINE, BUT IT CAN ALWAYS SURGE ABOVE THAT. AS PART OF THE DESIGN, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THE OTHER PART TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS, WE CAN DO CERTAIN THINGS, CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN'T. BUT THE QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE INVEST? WE WANT TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY. THAT'S REALLY OUR GOAL. BUT HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE INVEST IN THE SHORT TERM THAT IS WASTED IN THE LONG TERM. IT'S A BALANCE. THAT'S NOT TO SAY WE WOULDN'T DO IT. IT'S JUST SAYING THAT'S A CONSIDERATION. >> WELL, I LOVE HOW THIS PRESENTATION IS. IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE TO ME, AND HOPEFULLY, THIS IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL EASILY. YOU'VE TAKEN THE TIME TO REALLY GO THROUGH IT WITH. OBVIOUSLY, AND I COMPLETELY AGREE, START, GET GOING, AND MORE COMES. [00:55:04] THAT HAPPENS WITH EVERY PROJECT. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS BECAUSE A LOT OF US HAVE BEEN ON THESE BOARDS FOR YEARS AND HAVE HAD THE SAME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, OH, WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE OWNERS. SAME THING. >> TOTALLY. >> I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, YOU SAY TO GET ALIGNED, BUT REALLY, YOU JUST NEED TO BE THE CORE IS WHO DECIDES WHERE IT GOES. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE OWNERS SAY, RIGHT? >> YES, AND NO. IF WE MAKE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT. IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT, THEY'RE PROTECTING THE FLOW, THEY'RE PROTECTING A LOT OF THOSE THINGS. WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. IF WE HAVE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT, THE CORE WILL GRANT IT TO US. BUT THE CHALLENGE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LANDOWNERS VERSUS US AND US BEING ON THE SAME PAGE, IT TENDS TO BE EASIER FOR US TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS BECAUSE WE GO THROUGH IT A LOT MORE THAN MOST DEVELOPERS. THAT'S PART OF THAT PUBLIC PRIVATE-PARTNERSHIP WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT. LET'S TALK ABOUT WE HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEM. WE CAN GET PRE- APP MEETINGS WITH THEM FASTER. WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS ON A DAILY BASIS. SOMETIMES THE PUBLIC DOESN'T GET TO HAVE. >> WE TALK ABOUT I'M SORRY? >> TALK ABOUT THE CORE. >> BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY PRESENTED TO THEM ONCE, AND THEN THEY TURNED US DOWN. >> WELL, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE TOOK OUT SEGMENT FIVE IS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ALIGNMENT, AND WHAT THEY SAID WAS, YOU DON'T HAVE AN ALIGNMENT. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION TO TELL THEM THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO PUT IT AS A GROUP. >> BECAUSE TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE SUBMITTED AND WE ACTUALLY PAID WE DID SUBMIT $1,000 TO WAS THAT COMPANY? >> WE DID SUBMIT AND GET THEY DIDN'T DENY US. THE CORE REALLY DOESN'T NECESSARILY DENY YOU. THEY JUST ASK MORE QUESTIONS. WE GOT A LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT WE DIDN'T RESPOND TO BECAUSE WE KNOW ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, THERE'S A HOLE IN THE WALL. IT'S NOT A COMPLETE SYSTEM. THAT'S AGAIN GOING BACK TO WHY WE'VE TAKEN SEGMENT 5 OUT UNTIL WE CAN GET ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON AGREEMENT TO RESUBMIT IN A COMPLETE PACKAGE. >> I THINK THE CORE FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE TO YOUR QUESTION EARLIER, THERE IS NO HOLE IN IT WHEN WE GO SEGMENT 1-4. WHEN WE FINISH THE MA, THERE'S NO HOLE. NOW, DO WE NEED MORE? YES, WE DO. OF COURSE. >> IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG HOLE. >> RIGHT. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND WE JUST HAVEN'T COMPLETED IT. WE CAN MESSAGE IT THAT WAY, TOO. BUT I AGREE WITH YOU. I KNOW IN WORKING WITH JAKE AND A LOT OF OTHER FOLKS IN TOWN, I'VE ONLY BEEN AROUND A YEAR AND ONLY BEEN HERE SIX MONTHS. BUT I KNOW THE HISTORY IS THAT WE HAVEN'T DELIVERED. WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DELIVER THE PROJECTS, SO THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DELIVER THEM. THAT'S OKAY. WE'RE HERE TO PROVE THAT. THE ONLY WAY WE CAN PROVE IT IS BY DELIVERING THEM. AND SO IN THIS YEAR, JAKE AND I JUST VISITED, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, SECOND AND LATOR DELIVERED. >> IT LOOKS GOOD. >> WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, AND THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO IS KEEP COMING BACK TO YOU, TELL YOU WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, GET THE FUNDING TO DO IT, AND THEN DO IT. THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY HIRED ME TO DO, SO I'M COMMITTED TO DO THAT. >> I REALLY THINK IF YOU START SEGMENT 1 OR WHATEVER SEGMENT YOU WANT TO START, WHEN YOU GET PART OF IT OR COMPLETED, IT SHOWS THAT YOU'RE COMPETENT ABOUT COMPLETING THE REST OF IT. THE GRANT MONEY OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY COME ALONG WILL BE EASIER TO ACCESS, AND I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER PENALTIES OR CORE OR OTHER PERMITTING PLACES WILL BE MORE SOFT. TO GO ALONG WITH WHAT'S NEEDED TO PROTECT IT. >> I GUESS, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO EVEN GIVE US AN ESTIMATED, NOT HOLD YOU TO IT IDEA OF WHEN SEGMENT FIVE WILL BE COMING OUT? I KNOW THAT THERE'S MORE DEVELOPMENT COMING ALONG THAT STREET. THAT'S LITERALLY THE PHOTO THAT'S IN EVERY HORROR THING ON THE NEWS, EVERY TIME THERE'S A FLOOD, IT'S RIGHT THERE. IS SEGMENT 5. >> MY PERSONAL GOAL IS TO HAVE AN ALIGNMENT DECIDED BY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR AND BE ABLE TO SUBMIT FOR PERMITS AFTER THAT. [01:00:02] WE KNOW THE DESIGN, THE DESIGN IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT MUCH. WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN LIKE THE END OF THE STREET THERE. WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE PUT A PLAN IN ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT BEHIND THE WALL, AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO KEEP EVERYTHING FROM FLOODING AND ALL OF THOSE SORT OF THINGS. BUT THOSE ARE NOT HIGH HIGH DOLLAR HIGH LONG TERM DESIGNS. PERMITTING WILL TAKE US WHAT IT TAKES US. THAT SECTION, BASED ON SOME OF THE ALIGNMENTS, DEPENDING ON HOW FAR OUT IN THE WATER, WE GO. IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS. IF WE CAN GET TO PERMITTING BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR, THEN WE ARE NOW IN THE CLOCK IS NOW TICKING TO WHERE WE CAN GO TO BID. THE IDEA WOULD BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, WE MENTIONED THAT SEGMENT FOUR, WE WOULD BE DONE BY 28. I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BID AND KEEP CONTINUING RIGHT AFTER 28 AND KEEP ON GOING. >> ARE THE CHECK VALVES INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN? >> THEY WILL ALL BE INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN AND THE SCOPE OF WORK? >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> WELL, HE'S STILL GOING TO DO BRETT'S UPDATE, I GUESS. >> I DO. [LAUGHTER] >> ANY OTHER QUESTION. >> NO, I'M GOOD. >> COME ON, PETE. >> OH, NO. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. >> ON BRETT'S SIMILAR PERMITTING PROCESS. WE ARE NOT AT FINAL DESIGN, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF FACTORS THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT AS TO WHY. BUT WE HAVE BRETT'S BEING REMOVED. BECAUSE OF ACCESS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MARINE CAN FUNCTION ONCE WE'RE FINISHED. WE NEED TO REPLACE THE PIER IN THE RIGHT SPOT SO WE CAN DO THAT. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE FUEL THE FUEL TANKS SO THAT WE HAVE A STRAIGHT SHOT SO IT'S MORE EFFICIENT, AND EFFECTIVE AND EASIER TO HAVE THE TRUCKS COME IN DISPENSE. THOSE ARE THE MAJOR PARTS OF THE PROJECT. OF COURSE, THE RESILIENCY WALL UNDERNEATH IS PART OF THAT PROCESS. IN THAT SECTION, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BID ALL OF THOSE THINGS TOGETHER. WE'LL HAVE ONE CONTRACTOR DO THEM ALL. WE'LL DEFINITELY GET A BETTER PRICE THAT WAY, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO JUST CONTROL THAT SECTION. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS CONNECTING THE WAY THAT ALL OF THE DOCKS ARE CONNECTED IN THE MARINE, THEY'RE BUILT AROUND BREATHS. WHEN WE TAKE IT DOWN, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE MARINA OPERATING DAY TO DAY, BUT ALSO WHEN WE'RE DONE, OPERATE IN AN EFFECTIVE MANNER. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BRING TO YOU NEXT TIME ON THE SIGNAGE AND THE ACCESS IS THAT THE ACCESS IS GOING TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. HOW WE MANAGE ACCESS TO ALL OF THE DOCKS AND THE SIGNAGE COULD CHANGE. WE PROBABLY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO ALL THOSE CHANGES AT ONCE. BUT NOT THAT WE WON'T CHANGE THE SIGN RIGHT AWAY, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THOSE ALL CHANGE. ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES WE'VE RUN INTO IS WHERE THE GANGWAY COLLAPSE WAS. ALL THE UTILITIES ARE UNDERNEATH EXCEPT FOR THE FUELING LINES. IS THAT SEA DOC OUT THERE? >> C&D. >> C&D. >> C&D HAVE ALL OF THOSE LINES RUNNING RUNNING THROUGH THEM. THEY HAVE A TRENCH, BASICALLY, WITHIN THE DOCKS THAT RUN THROUGH THERE. WE ONLY HAVE ONE INCOMING TRENCH, AND THAT'S WHERE THE GANGWAY COLLAPSED. BY THE WAY, THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T REPLACED THE GANGWAY. WHEN WE REDO THIS, WE'LL HAVE TO REBUILD ONE. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS MAKING SURE WE DON'T CHANGE THAT OUTER DOCK BECAUSE THAT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. WE NEED TO GET ACCESS. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT THE PIER? WE COULD PUT IT RIGHT BACK WHERE IT IS. THERE'S A CHALLENGE WITH THAT. I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. WE'VE EXPLORED GOING ALL THE WAY FROM THE NORTH END OF BRETT'S, ALL THE WAY TO WHERE IT IS. THEN THE QUESTIONS IS, HOW WIDE? WE'RE STILL IN THAT QUESTION OF HOW WIDE DO WE DOES IT REALLY NEED TO BE? THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS JUST NORTH OF THE CURRENT PIER AS IT EXISTS TODAY. THE REASON WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IS BECAUSE WE CAN BUILD IT, PUT ALL THE UTILITIES UNDERNEATH IT, AND THEN SWITCH REAL FAST. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN KEEP THIS, BUT I MADE A PROMISE TO CHRIS THAT WE WOULD KEEP HIM DOWN NO LESS THAN 24 HOURS, DIDN'T THEY? [01:05:02] THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO, AND THAT'S PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS. THE OTHER PART IS THAT ALLOWS THE CONTRACTOR TO BUILD AND SWITCH. IT'LL MAKE THE BID CHEAPER IN THE LONG RUN SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORK AROUND AND REDESIGN THINGS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A COUPLE OF THE DOCKS ON THE SOUTH END, THAT WE HAVE TO PUT UP A TEMPORARY ACCESS WHILE THEY TEAR DOWN THE EXISTING PIER. A COUPLE OF OTHER CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO IS EVERYTHING THAT'S BUILT OUT THERE HAS BEEN IN THE WATER A LONG TIME, AND A LOT OF IT'S WOOD. WE'VE GONE THROUGH A PROCESS OF TRYING TO GET SOMEONE TO EVALUATE THAT FOR US. NO ONE WILL EVALUATE IT BECAUSE THEY WON'T CERTIFY IT THAT IT CAN STAY. THAT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE THAT WE'VE RUN INTO. THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSIDER REPLACING ALL OF THEM BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING NEW ON TOP OF AN OLD PILINGS. YOU EXPECT US TO DO THESE ANALYSIS AND WE ARE. WE ARE ALSO PLANNING TO TAKE OUT THE CURRENT ARBOR OFFICE THAT'S SITTING OUT THERE FOR THE SAME REASON. IT'S SITTING ON PIERS THAT ARE NOT, NOT OPTIMAL. WHY WOULD YOU TEAR DOWN AND PUT A NEW PIER AND HAVE AN OLD BUILDING THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED IN TEN YEARS? WE'RE WORKING TO PLAN THE WHOLE THING. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. DESIGN WISE, WE'RE FINALIZING THE DESIGN. THE TANK ROUTE, WHERE THE TANK LOCATION, THE FUEL TANK LOCATION, BOTH OF THEM HAVE BEEN DECIDED. WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING. WHEN WE TEAR BREATHS DOWN, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IN OUR SPEC BOOK IS GOING TO BE TELLING THEM HOW THEY NEED TO WALK THROUGH IT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THAT WALL COULD COLLAPSE UNDERNEATH AS SOON AS THEY TEAR IT APART. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S DONE. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ONCE WE GET BRETT'S OUT OF THERE, AND WE PUT THE PEER UP IS WE'RE GOING TO DO ANOTHER FLOW STUDY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE FLOW STUDY THAT CAME OUT IN 2018, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE GOING TO DO A NEW ONE BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT A LOT, IS THAT GOING TO HELP DREDGING IN FLOW? WELL, WE HOPE SO. WE KNOW IT WILL HAVE SOME EFFECT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, SO WE WILL DO ANOTHER FLOW STUDY TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS THERE. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH BRETT'S. OUR PLAN, AGAIN, IS GET THE PERMITS IN APRIL, IF WE CAN, AND WE'RE STILL ON SCHEDULE FOR THAT. SHOULD WE GET THOSE, WE WILL BE READY TO BID GO TO BID SO THAT WE CAN START WORK JUST AFTER 1ST JUNE. WE WANT TO MISS SHRIMP FEST. WE MAY IMPACT THE NEXT YEAR, BUT IF WE DO, WE WANT TO BE WELL ALONG, SO WE IMPACT IT LESS. WE'RE GOING TO START IN JUNE, AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO IMPACT THE MARINE AS LEAST AS POSSIBLE AND THEIR TRANSIENT SEASON ENDS IN EARLY JUNE. THAT'S PART OF THEIR WALL. WE'RE TRYING TO START WHERE WE HAVE OUR BIGGEST IMPACT THERE. WE'RE WORKING WITH CHRIS TO PLAN THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS WHILE WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. >> C'S DESIGN, WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME AS A CR BOARD TALKING ABOUT THIS WATERFRONT OR CR BOARD MIXING TOGETHER. >> ON THE BRETT'S. >> BRETT'S. THEN I FELT LIKE WE PUSHED ASIDE. ARE WE STILL GOING TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION WITH SIGN AGAIN? >> YES. WE HAVE A FINAL DESIGN. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT JAKE AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING IS THAT I'M PUTTING A SCHEDULE TOGETHER TO TAKE IT THROUGH ALL THE BOARDS LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT. WE WILL COME TO YOU, WE'LL HAVE WHAT WE CONSIDER THE PROBABLY 90% PLANS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT THERE'S STILL OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE TWEAKS AND CHANGES IF WE NEED TO. AGAIN, WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THOSE THINGS INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP COSTS AS REASONABLE AS POSSIBLE, BUT GET THE BEST PRODUCT WE POSSIBLY CAN. >> ONE OF THE THINGS WE ASKED ABOUT AND RECOMMENDED AS A BOARD WAS TO TRY AND OBTAIN PERMITS AND SEE WHAT THE FEASIBILITY OF CREATING A NEARSHORE REEF WITH THE SPOILS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH BREADTHS USING THOSE CONCRETE PILONS AND TAKING THEM OUT THERE. WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEM. WE HOPE THAT THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. [01:10:03] HAS ANYTHING BEEN DONE ON THAT AT ALL? HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE PERMITTING OR? >> I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OF THAT HAPPENING. I WASN'T NECESSARILY AWARE THAT THAT. >> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS STILL AVAILABLE? CAN WE STILL LOOK INTO THAT? >> I THINK WE CAN. A COUPLE OF FOLKS THAT WE DID TALK TO ABOUT IT SAID THAT WITH THE AMOUNT OF REBAR THAT'S IN HIM, IT MIGHT NOT LOOK FAVORABLY AT IT, BUT WE CAN LOOK MORE INTO IT. >> I THINK HOW WE DISPOSE OF THEM IS SOMETHING THAT THE CORE IS CONCERNED ABOUT. >> I THINK THAT REALLY BE A PLUS FOR THE COMMUNITY. ALLEN SUGGESTED THAT EARLIER, TOO. >> SURE. >> I'D BE NICE TO HAVE THAT IF WE COULD MAKE IT HAPPEN. >> WE'RE NOT TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD TO NOT CONSIDER THAT, SO I'LL MAKE SURE WE TALK ABOUT THAT. >> THE TP BUILDING IS OUT THERE, BY THE WAY. WE DID DO THAT WITH THE LAST TIME IT WAS TORN DOWN, BUT MY CONCERN IS WHAT I SAW THAT YOU ALL CAME UP WAS A DOCK GOING DUE WEST, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO EXTEND A DOCK TO THAT DOCK, AND SO THERE'S MORE LINEAR FOOT ON THAT DOCK. IS THAT NOT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? >> THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME BOUND. >> AT THIS MEETING WE ALL TALKED ABOUT ONE STRAIGHT DOCK. MY CONCERN IS IS THAT THAT WOODEN DOCK RIGHT THERE IS ONLY MAYBE 15-YEARS-OLD. THE MARINA WAS REBUILT FROM, WHAT WAS IT? 2008. WHEN THE STORM HIT AND WE REDID EVERYTHING, AND THAT DOCK HAS BEEN REPLACED TWICE THE WOOD HAS. WHY CAN'T WE MAKE THAT PIER OUT OF CONCRETE THAT'S GOING TO LAST FOR OUR KIDS AND OUR GRANDKIDS, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE IT LIKE THEY'RE DOING CONSTANTLY ALL THAT WOOD AND ALL. IT'D BE A LOT STRONGER. YOU CAN BUILD THE WALKWAYS, PREBUILD WHEN YOU PUT THE PILINGS DOWN WITH THE CAP CROSS, AND YOU SET IT RIGHT ON THERE. WHY CAN'T WE SPEND A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY AND MAKE IT RIGHT WHILE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT LAST ANOTHER 60 YEARS? >> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ALL WOOD, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. BUT WE HAVE A THIRD OPTION NOW, WHICH IS THE COMPOSITE DECKING. >> THE COMPOSITE DECK ISN'T GOING TO HOLD UP TO MOTHER NATURE. >> WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY, SO WE'RE EVALUATING THE CONCRETE OPTION, AND WE WILL LOOK AT HOW MUCH IT IS. BUT IT'S NOT A LITTLE BIT MORE. IT'S A LOT MORE. >> BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IT'LL SAVE IN THE LONG RUN, AND WE GET A STORM, THAT CONCRETE BUILDING THAT'S THERE NOW, THE DOCKS. IT SAVED A LOT OF THE SOUTH [OVERLAPPING]. >> I CERTAINLY WON'T ARGUE THAT AT ALL. IT JUST COMES DOWN TO THE FINANCIAL TOLERANCE OF HOW MUCH WE CAN SPEND ON IT AND HOW MUCH COMMISSION IS GOING TO SAY THAT WE CAN SPEND ON IT. THOSE ARE THE DECISION POINTS. >> I JUST HOPE THAT WE GET IT RIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE A CHANCE RIGHT NOW TO MAKE IT RIGHT FOR THE FUTURE FOR 60 YEARS OR LONGER. WOOD IS NOT GOING TO LAST THAT LONG. >> I'M GLAD THAT YOU GUYS ARE GETTING THAT OPTION FOR THE COMMISSIONERS SO THAT THEY CAN AT LEAST CHOOSE. HAVE TO BE AT THAT MEETING. >> [LAUGHTER] I THINK THOSE ARE THE TOUGH DECISIONS. IS THAT INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD LAST 50 TO 60 YEARS. THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. THOSE THAT ARE HERE IN 50 OR 60 YEARS SHOULD BE MAKING THE CHOICES THAT WE'VE GOT TO MAKE NOW. OUR JOB IS TO FRAME IT AND TALK ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH SECTION AND EACH THING, AND THEN THOSE DECISIONS ARE MADE AND WE IMPLEMENT THEM. >> YOU GOT ANYTHING TO SAY? >> NO, I'M TAKING IT ALL IN. >> THAT'S A LOT TO ABSORB. [LAUGHTER]. >> [LAUGHTER] THERE'S A LOT OF ANSWERS. >> TO ME, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS AS WE GO FORWARD, YOU HAVE A LOT OF INFO IN FRONT OF YOU. AS WE GO THROUGH, YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO CONTACT US AND ASK US SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO ANSWER THEM AND GO GET THE DETAILS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THEN WE WILL BE BACK WITH BOTH OF THE PROJECTS WE TALKED ABOUT TO GIVE YOU FINAL DESIGN AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ONE MORE. >> IT'S THE GRANT MONEY. IS IT GOING TO BE ON THE BRETT TEAR DOWN, OR IS IT ONLY FOR THE SEA WALL? >> IT'LL JUST BE ON THE SEA WALL, YEAH. THE SEA WALL PORTION UNDERNEATH, YEAH. >> THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER]. [01:15:07] >> I DIDN'T THINK SO. I JUST WANT. [LAUGHTER]. >> WE ARE STILL UP. >> ALMOST. >> WE HAD ALREADY STARTED TO TALK ABOUT THE CRA PLAN IN THE HARBOR MASTER PLAN. [6.2 Update on CRA Plan & Harbor Master Plan] AS A GROUP, WE MET RECENTLY AND LOOKED AT THE CRA PLAN THAT WAS DONE IN 2004, I THINK IT WAS. THEN FINALIZED IN FIVE, AND THEN THE 2016 UP DATE. THEN, WHICH WAS NOT FINALIZED AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND. THEN YOU ALL HAD WORKED ON [OVERLAPPING]. >> THE OBJECTIVES STRATEGY. >> OBJECTIVES AND STRATEGIES AND UPDATED THOSE RECENTLY. WE TALKED ABOUT THEM AND WENT THROUGH THOSE, AND THOSE ARE THE BASELINE FOR THE HARBOR MASTER PLAN, SO WE'RE GOING TO BUILD OFF OF ALL OF THAT. BECAUSE THE CRA IS REALLY THE KEY COMPONENT TO THE HARBOR MASTER PLAN. WE TALKED ALREADY ABOUT THE ALIGNMENT. THAT'S THE BASE OF THE HARBOR MASTER PLAN. >> BUT IT'S ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT THE CRA PLAN AND INCLUDE THE WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, AS WELL AS THE MARINA, WHETHER IT'S EXPANSION, WHETHER IT'S A PUBLIC PRIVATE. TWO DIFFERENT MARINAS OUT HERE, WHATEVER THAT ENDS UP LOOKING LIKE, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT AND HAVE A PLAN FOR IT, AND THEN KNOW WHAT WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE. THE HARBOR MASTER PLAN WILL BE IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PHASES, BUT AGAIN, EVERYTHING COMES OFF THE WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. WHEN WE HIRE A CONSULTANT TO DO THAT, THOSE OBJECTIVES WILL BE THE JUMP OFF POINT. THEY'RE VERY CLEAR. THEY'VE BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET THOSE. IN OUR MIND, THOSE ARE THE POLICY DECISIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE. WE NEED TO BUILD OFF OF THOSE TO CREATE MORE OF A PLAN. WHILE I HAVEN'T BEEN A PART OF A HARBOR MASTER PLAN, I'VE BEEN PART OF DOWNTOWN PLANNING IN A NUMBER OF BRAND NEW CITIES, WHERE THREE OF THEM HAD NO DOWNTOWN AT ALL, AND CREATED IT OUT OF NOTHING. WE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO STRATEGIZE AND PUT A PLAN TOGETHER. THE BEAUTY OF THIS IS YOU ALREADY HAVE STRATEGIES. WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD THOSE. WE HAVE A FUNDING STRATEGY THAT AS THINGS GROW, THAT MONEY CAN BE RECYCLED BACK IN THERE TO HELP THINGS GROW EVEN FURTHER. THAT ALSO GIVES US SOME LEVERAGE IN PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IN DOING THIS IS YOU DON'T HAVE A SKIN IN THE GAME AS A CITY, AND YOU DON'T HAVE FUNDING SOURCES TO DO PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. BOTH OF THOSE HAVE BEEN ANSWERED HERE. YOU HAVE THE CRA, WHICH AS PROPERTY VALUES GO UP, WE GET MORE REVENUE FROM THAT, AND THAT JUST BUILDS ON ITSELF, SO IT ENCOURAGES IT TO DO THAT. THEN WE ARE ONE OF THE BIGGEST LAND OWNERS ON THE WATERFRONT. THAT IS ALWAYS THE CHALLENGE, AND WE ARE NOW LEADING THE WAY ON HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE TO US INTERNALLY, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF LAND USE CHANGES. THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT. WE MAY HEAR DIFFERENTLY FROM SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT WE'LL WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THAT. THE IDEA ON THE HARBOR MASTER PLAN IS A COUPLE OF PHASES. FIRST PHASE IS TO GET ALL OF US AS PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE SAME PAGE AND GET US ROWING IN THE SAME DIRECTION, WHICH HAS NOT NECESSARILY BEEN THE CASE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK OUT SOME CONFLICTING IDEAS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL CAN WIN IN WHATEVER WE DO. THE SECOND PHASE IS REALLY GETTING INTO IMPLEMENTING THE STRATEGIES. WE ONLY HAVE $50,000 TO START THIS PROCESS, BUT THAT'LL GET THE FIRE LIT AND GET IT STARTED. THE BEAUTIFUL THING IS THAT THERE'S NOTHING AGAINST A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TO DO PHASE 2, WHERE WE BUDGET SOME, AND WE PARTNER WITH SOME OF OUR PRIVATE DEVELOPERS TO HELP US DO THAT PROCESS. PHASE 3, I THINK IS GOING TO END UP BEING SOME OF THE THE FINAL NUANCES THAT HAPPEN TO ANY DEVELOPMENT AS YOU MOVE FORWARD, THAT MAY BE PARTNERING ON PERMITTING PROCESSES AND, WHO FUNDS WHAT AND WHO BUILDS WHAT? [01:20:02] DO WE GO DO THE PERMITTING PROCESS? DO WE FIND GRANT MONEY TO DO THE SEA WALL? THEN WE LOOK FOR SOME ADDITIONAL BENEFIT ON THE PRIVATE SIDE FROM DOING THE WATERFRONT PIECE. BECAUSE I'VE LISTENED TO YOU TALKING A NUMBER OF MEETINGS TALKING ABOUT WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE AND WHAT YOU'VE ENVISIONED IT TO LOOK LIKE AND BEING A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN ENJOY THE WHOLE WATERFRONT. IT'S NOT JUST A SMALL PIECE, BUT IT'S THE WHOLE LENGTH. YOU CAN ENJOY MULTIPLE DIFFERENT THINGS WHILE YOU GO DOWN THERE, WHETHER IT'S A MARINA, RESTAURANTS. JUST HAVING A GREAT PLACE TO WALK YOUR DOG OR RUN. ALL THOSE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. BUT IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, WE HAVE TO GET A PLAN TOGETHER AND GET ON THE SAME PAGE. THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE HARBOR MASTER PLAN IS. LIKE I SAID, THE CRA PLAN IS THE BASE JUMP OFF POINT FOR ALL OF THAT. >> JAKE, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND RAISED? >> NO. [LAUGHTER]. >> I GOT A QUESTION WITH MR. JACOBS. IS THERE ANY PRIVATE GRANTS AVAILABLE? >> YOU COME TO THE PODIUM. FINE. THANK YOU, GLENN. [NOISE]. >> NOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE GOING ALONG AND IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF GRANTS, IT'S JUST TO THE CITY. BUT AS YOU CREEP ALONG, THERE MAY BE SOME THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED TO DO A PUBLIC AND PRIVATE. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME ONE MORE TIME? >> LAURA JACOBS CITY GRANTS ADMINISTRATOR. THERE ARE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANTS, ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. THE CITY HAS NOT HISTORICALLY DONE A LOT OF THOSE. WE HAD ONE WITH RAYONIER THAT WAS LIKE THAT. BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY ABOUT JOBS CREATION, SO THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE OF THE ORIGINAL WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. AS FAR AS GRANTS, IF YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT WILL DOCUMENTALY ESTABLISH YOU'RE DOING SIGNIFICANT JOB CREATION, THERE ARE GRANTS LIKE THAT. >> OKAY, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. >> JOB CREATION. >> KEEP THAT IN MIND. >> THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER]. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE ON THE CRA PLAN HARBOR MASTER PLAN. DO WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT MORE, OR ARE WE GOOD WITH THE PLAN THAT IT HAS? >> NO. I THINK THE PROCESS THAT GLENN DISCUSSED IS GOING TO START WITH WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE WITH THIS GROUP, AND IT WILL BUILD ON THAT. THAT WILL ALSO COME BACK TO YOU AS THAT PROGRESSES. BUT NOTHING TO REALLY BE DONE NOW. >> MOVING FORWARD. DON'T SEE ANY NEW BUSINESS. STAFF REPORT. [8.1 CRA Property Matrix Report] >> THERE'S NOT MUCH TO REPORT ON THE PROPERTY MATRIX, AS ALWAYS, IT'S IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED WHERE WE COMPLETED THE BOLLARDS AT 101 FRONT STREET, RTS, AS WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT'S IN THE DESIGN AND PERMITTING PHASE. WE'RE HOPING TO SECURE THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD PERMIT FROM THE CRE AND PROCEED WITH PERMITTING A ATLANTIC SEAFOOD BY THE END OF THE YEAR ON TOWN HOME SOLD AT MCJUNKIN. THEN REALLY, IT'S JUST NORTH SECOND STREET AND ATLANTIC SEAFOOD. I DON'T HAVE FINAL DRONE PHOTOS FROM NORTH SECOND STREET, BUT AFTER PAVING AND FINAL LANDSCAPING, BUT WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON IT. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN IT AND EXPLORING THE SPACE MORE. BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE REALLY LAST TOUCH ON THAT PROJECT IS TRYING TO SECURE FUNDING FOR LIGHTING. ON BOTH NORTH SECOND AND ALACHUA, WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE JUST NEEDS TO PURCHASE THE POLL LIGHTS. >> IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD. IT LOOKS GREAT. IT PAVED ALL THE WAY TO THE PORT. IT'S VERY NICE. >> I SAW GOLF CARTS PARKED THERE, AND IT LOOKED REALLY MADE ME HAPPY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT MR. GOODSELL FELT ABOUT THE TREES, BUT I'LL LET YOU TALK WITH HIM ABOUT THAT. THAT PROPERTY JUST WEST OF THE CRAB TRAP IS NOW UNDER CONTRACT WITH POTENTIALLY A NEW OWNER. THAT WILL BE A DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD LOVE TO SEE A SEAWALL IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY. >> WHAT KIND OF A PROJECT? >> I CANNOT SAY JUST YET, BUT NOTHING WILD. NOTHING THAT WILL NEED ANY CRAZY APPROVALS. [01:25:03] I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION. ALACHUA STREET. SORRY, GLENN. THE COLLAPSED PIPE. >> YEAH. >> WHAT'S THE TIMELINE? [LAUGHTER] I'M GOING TO STAY ON THAT. >> WOULD YOU HAVE AN ANSWER? >> [INAUDIBLE] PROJECT MANAGER. WE'RE WORKING ON THE COLLAPSED PIPE. PART OF THAT PROCESS IS THAT WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES IN FLOODING, OF COURSE, AT THE END THERE. PART OF THAT PROCESS WILL BE PUTTING A PUMP SYSTEM IN SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE WHOLE SYSTEM WORKS, AND IT FLOWS THROUGH THERE. WE BELIEVE THAT WILL HELP A LOT WITH THE FLOODING AT THE END WHEN IT COMES OVER THE TOP. THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO. PART OF THAT PROCESS WILL BE FIXING THE COLLAPSED PIPE. >> WHEN IS THAT? I'M SORRY. >> WHEN IS THE QUESTION. THE CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW IS OUR STORM-WATER TEAM IS ONLY TWO PEOPLE ON IT. THEY NORMALLY HAVE SIX BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE MOVED AROUND AND WE'VE GOT ONE INJURED. BUT IT'S ONE OF THEIR TOP PRIORITIES FOR THEIR INTERNAL STAFF. >> WHAT PUMP IS THAT? IS IT LIKE A SUMP PUMP YOU'RE PUTTING DOWN IN HERE? >> KIND OF. IT'S LIKE A MINI LIFT STATION WORK, YEAH. >> IT'S NOT LIKE THE PUMP THAT WE ALREADY BOUGHT. >> THAT'S GOING TO BE USED HERE ON ASH STREET. A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PUMP. >> IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, YEAH. BUT IT'S A SIMILAR PROCESS. IT'S A SMALLER VERSION OF IT, BUT SIMILAR PROCESS. WHEN WE MOVE TO PHASE 5, THAT WILL ENHANCE IT EVEN FURTHER. >> I FEEL LIKE IT CAN'T WAIT ANOTHER 3, 4 YEARS, THOUGH. >> WE'RE NOT TALKING THREE OR FOUR YEARS. WE'RE TALKING SIX MONTHS MAX. >> I'LL WRITE THAT DOWN. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU'LL HOLD ME TO IT. >> I'LL JUST KEEP ASKING. THANK YOU. I'LL WRITE THAT DOWN SIX MONTHS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT MATRIX? >> MARINA MANAGER REPORT, [8.2 Marina Manager Report] WE DID THAT. NO, WE DIDN'T DO THAT. >> HERE HE COMES. >> HEY. I SAW HIM WALK AWAY. >> CHRIS FERGUSON, MARINA GENERAL MANAGER. REALLY, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, SOME OF THE PROJECTS, BIGGER PROJECTS, AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE FORTHCOMING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. THAT'S JUST A LIST OF THE COMPLETED PROJECTS TO DATE, AND THEN I'LL JUST GO THROUGH EACH ONE. IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THE GANGWAY ADA EXTENSION, WHEN WE LOST THE BIG RAMP, THE EXISTING RAMP THAT TAKES YOU DOWN ON THE C AND D, DURING LOW TIDE IS EXTREMELY STEEP. WE HAVE THE ACL BOATS THAT HAVE STARTED COMING BACK IN REALLY ON ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS, CATERING TO SOMEWHAT OF AN OLDER CLIENTELE. IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE THE PITCH IN THE GEOMETRY OF THAT GANGWAY, WE HAVE ADDED A RAMP THAT HAS A LARGE PLATFORM FOR TURNING AS WELL AS THAT RAMP IS 14" HIGH OR THE LANDING IS 14" HIGH, THEREFORE THE RAMP IS 14 FEET LONG AND THAT HAS JUST ALLOWED FOR A MUCH EASIER INGRESS AND EGRESS ON AND OFF THAT MAIN DOCK, BOTH FOR ABLE BODIED AND INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE LESS ABLE BODIED THAN OTHERS. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. PEOPLE HAVE RAVED ABOUT IT. THEY FOUND THE TRANSITION THAT MUCH EASIER ON A DAILY BASIS. REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE COMPLETED THAT PROJECT. THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A MULTI-PROJECT, YOU MIGHT SAY, MULTI DIFFERENT ITEMS. WE ADDED TWO NEW POWER CENTERS. A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WE REPLACED TWO NEW POWER CENTERS ON THE TRANSIENT DOCK OR KNOWN AS THE ATTENUATOR DOCK C&D. THEN REALLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WAS WE WENT THROUGH A MAJOR OVERHAUL ON THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM ON C&D. IN PRIOR TRANSIENT SEASONS WE RAN INTO A NUMBER OF SITUATIONS WHERE WE COULDN'T PROVIDE POWER TO VESSELS, BIGGER, SMALL, ET CETERA. WE TOOK IT UPON OURSELVES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS PRIOR TO TRANSIENT SEASON TO DO A COMPLETE OVERHAUL. I'M PROUD TO SAY WE HAVEN'T HAD A SINGLE VESSEL, THIS TRANSIENT SEASON, THAT HAS HAD A POWER ISSUE RELATED TO OUR EQUIPMENT. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SAY THAT. I'M REALLY PROUD OF THAT ACCOMPLISHMENT. [01:30:01] THE NEXT SLIDE. I THINK EVERYBODY WAS AWARE THAT THE BRETT'S WALKWAY WE DID HAVE A FAILURE. IT DROPPED AS YOU CAN SEE ABOUT 8". ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THAT WALKWAY IS THE FACT THAT OUR FUEL [INAUDIBLE] BOTH GAS AND DIESEL. IT WAS IMPERATIVE THAT WE HAD THAT REPAIRED. THAT AREA WAS RAISED, RESECURED WITH ANGLE BRACKETS. IT IS GOING TO BE COMING DOWN AS PART OF THE PROJECT, BUT WE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN IT UNTIL THAT HAPPENED. THAT PART OF THE PROJECT HAS BEEN DONE. THEN BASICALLY THE FAILURE WAS THERE'S A 2 BY 12, AND THEN THE STRINGERS BASICALLY SAT ON THE 2 BY 12. WHEN I SAY SAT, THEY SAT. THERE WAS NOTHING HOLDING THEM THERE. WHEN THAT DOCK MOVED, EVERYTHING PULLED AWAY, AND IT FINALLY CAME OFF THE 2 BY 12, EVERYTHING DROPPED. THE SOUTH SIDE OF BRETT'S, THAT BIG WALKWAY THAT TAKES YOU FROM THE PARKING LOT OUT TO THE MARINA, IS DESIGNED THE SAME WAY. WE HAD A CONTRACTOR COME THROUGH AND PUT STRATEGIC BRACKETS ALONG THAT PORTION OF THE MAIN BOARDWALK AS WELL TO SECURE IT. WE ARE COMFORTABLE HAVING PEOPLE TRANSITION FROM A TO B WITHOUT ANY WORRIES UNTIL ALL THE BRETT'S ACTUALLY COMES DOWN. >> HOPE WE DON'T USE THAT CONTRACTOR FOR THE NEXT ONE. >> WELL, I WILL SAY THE CONTRACTOR THAT WE USED TO REPAIR IS TOP-NOTCH, AND WE'RE SUPER PLEASED WITH THE WORK. WE WERE ALSO NOTIFIED THAT ONE OF THE SEATING AREAS NORTH OF BRETT'S, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY SAT ON THE SEATING AREA, THE WHOLE BOARDWALK CAME UP. IT WAS THE SAME SITUATION WHERE THE STRINGERS WERE SITTING ON A 2 BY 12, AND ALL OF THE STRAPS, WHICH ARE REALLY HURRICANE STRAPS OR BUILDING STRAPS THAT WERE USED YEARS AGO WERE ALL RUSTED AND SNAPPED. THE SAME CONTRACTOR CAME THROUGH, REPAIRED THAT SEATING AREA. OF COURSE, WE TOOK IT UPON OURSELVES TO CHECK THE SEATING AREA NORTH OF THAT, FOUND THE SAME ISSUE, AND ALL OF THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN RESOLVED. PEOPLE CAN COMFORTABLY SIT, ENJOY AND I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE SAFE. >> OUR FACEBOOK WARRIORS NEED TO HEAR ALL THAT. >> NEXT ONE, OF COURSE, RE-DECKING. WE'VE BEEN STRATEGICALLY RE-DECKING CERTAIN AREAS. THE BOAT RAMP. OF COURSE, ALLEN BROUGHT THAT TO MY ATTENTION WHEN I FIRST JOINED THE TEAM HERE. WE JUMPED ON THAT RIGHT AWAY. WE HAVEN'T REPLACED EVERY SINGLE BOARD. EVERY SINGLE BOARD DOESN'T NEED TO BE REPLACED, BUT WE DID GET RID OF AND REPLACE THE WORST OF THEM. EVERYTHING ELSE IS INTACT. AS THEY CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE, OF COURSE, WE WILL THEN REPLACE ACCORDINGLY. THE WALKWAY GOING OUT TO THE DINGY DOCK WAS ANOTHER AREA, AND THERE'S ALSO A OBSERVATION AREA PRIOR TO GETTING TO THE WALKWAY TO GO DOWN TO THE DINGY DOCK THAT HAD WHAT I CALL PUNKY BOARDS. WE'VE HAD ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS WORKING DILIGENTLY. THAT'S BEEN HIS SOLE FOCUS ON A DAILY BASIS IS TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT, AND I THINK HE HAS A FEW MORE BOARDS TO GO, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO CHECK THAT ONE OFF THE LIST. THE PUMP-OUT BOAT. AGAIN, THIS WAS DONE BY KATHY CHAPMAN. SHE WAS THE ONE THAT STARTED THE PROCESS ON THAT, SO I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO LOSE SIGHT OF THAT FACT. SHE WORKED DILIGENTLY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. WE DID COME DOWN TO THE WIRE ON THE GRANT, AND I'M GLAD TO SAY IT WAS ABOUT THE 23RD AND A HALF HOUR THAT WE PULLED THAT OFF, BUT THE BOAT IS ACTUALLY, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S HERE. IT'S BRANDED. EVERYTHING IS BRANDED FERNANDINA HARBOR MARINA. IT'S REGISTERED, IT'S IN THE WATER AND FULLY OPERATIONAL. THE OLD BOAT, WE'RE RECEIVING A QUOTE TO REPAIR AN OVERHEATING ISSUE ON THE MOTOR. DEPENDING ON WHETHER THAT IS FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE OR NOT, THAT VESSEL WILL EITHER BE SOLD, PRE-REPAIR OR POST-REPAIR, DEPENDING ON THE COST OF THE REPAIR. THAT'LL BE GOING ON THE.GOV WEBSITE TO BE SOLD, AND ALL THAT INFORMATION WILL BE SENT OVER TO KATHY SABATINI TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT OUT THERE AND HOPEFULLY MOVE THAT ASSET. BEFORE WE GET TO THE FUTURE PROJECTS, ONE OTHER PROJECT WHICH WE JUST WORKED WITH PARKS AND REC ON, THE MAIN WALKWAY GOING FROM PARKING LOT B OUT TO THE MARINA. AGAIN, THAT WOOD IS IN ROUGH SHAPE. IT'S A LOT OF VARIETY OF DIFFERENT HEIGHTS. RATHER THAN MAKING A LARGE INVESTMENT IN RE-DECKING OF THAT AREA, WE GOT WITH PARKS AND REC AND WE'VE INSTALLED WHAT'S KNOWN AS A MOBI-MAT. IT'S ONE OF THE SAND MATS THAT TAKES YOU OUT TO THE BEACH. IT'S FIVE FEET WIDE, 100 FEET LONG, SO IT GIVES YOU A DEFINED, [01:35:01] SMOOTH PATH IN ORDER TO MOVE FROM POINT A TO POINT B. ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT ARE ARE LESS ENABLE-BODIED, MAYBE IN A WHEELCHAIR, ANYTHING ALONG THAT LINE. IT GIVES THEM A DEFINED, SMOOTHER, LESS-TRIP-HAZARD PATHWAY TO GO FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE MARINA ITSELF. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, IT'S OUT THERE, AND IT'S WORKED OUT EXCEPTIONALLY WELL. FUTURE PROJECTS, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF THEM FORTHCOMING. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE DINGY DOCK IS REALLY THE BIGGEST ONE AND PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN TO THE DINGY DOCK, IT IS IN ROUGH SHAPE. THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS BASICALLY A PILE ROLLER THAT HOLDS THE DOCK IN PLACE. EVERY SINGLE PILE ROLLER ON THAT DOCK LOOKS JUST LIKE THAT. IF WE WERE TO HAVE A STORM, ANYTHING ALONG THAT LINE, WE RUN THE RISK OF THAT DOCK LITERALLY DETACHING FROM THE PILING. THEN WHEN YOU LOOK ON THE PICTURE TO THE RIGHT, ALL THE WALER BOARDS ARE COMING OFF. YOU HAVE THREE RODS THAT ARE COMING OUT. YOU HAVE SECTIONS OF CONCRETE DOCK THAT MOVE WHEN YOU'RE TRAVERSING FROM ONE SECTION TO THE NEXT. ULTIMATELY, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, WE ARE LOOKING TO REDO. WE'RE NOT REPLACING, WE ARE REPAIRING. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS. WE'VE COMPLETED THE SCOPE OF WORK AND THEN WE'LL BE PUTTING IT OUT FOR BID. WE WILL HAVE A PRE-BID ON-SITE MEETING. THE AREA IN RED IS ALL BELLINGHAM DOCKS. THE AREA IN PURPLE IS ALSO THE BELLINGHAM DOCK LANDING. THEN THE GREEN SECTION WAS MANUFACTURED BY A COMPANY CALLED AMERICAN DOCKS, WHICH IS NO LONGER IN BUSINESS. I THINK THIS WAS AN ASSEMBLAGE OF DOCKS AFTER THE STORM IN ORDER TO PUT THE DINGY DOCK BACK TOGETHER. BUT WE HAVE FORMULATED A PLAN TO BASICALLY REDO WALER BOARDS, PILE ROLLERS, THROUGH RODS, ETC. THE REASON THIS DOCK IS SO IMPORTANT IS WHEN THE BRETT'S PROJECT STARTS, ALL OF THE BOATS ON A AND B NEED TO MOVE OVER TO THIS DOCK. IT'S THE ONLY PLACE WE REALLY HAVE TO PUT THEM. WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE SOME OF C AND D, BUT THAT'S REALLY NOT ONLY FOR PEOPLE COMING FOR DOC AND DINE, COMING IN BY BOAT FROM THE MOORINGS AND OR THE ANCHORAGE, BUT IT REALLY IS MOST IMPORTANT TO US AND THE CITY FOR THE OVERALL BRETT'S PROJECT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON DILIGENTLY, AND WE HOPE TO START AND COMPLETE THAT PROJECT BETWEEN JANUARY AND MARCH. B DOCK IS ALSO PART OF THE PROJECT. IT'S A SECONDARY, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE BID COMES IN. FOR THE DINGY DOCK, WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THE SAME PROCESS, PILE ROLLERS, WALER BOARDS, THRU RODS ON B DOCK, IT IS ALSO IN TOUGH SHAPE. ESPECIALLY THE NORTHERN END, IT IS SOMEWHAT DISJOINTED, YOU MIGHT SAY, THE DOCK LEANS. SO IF WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN WHICH TO TACKLE THAT PROJECT, AGAIN, THAT IS PART OF THE PROPOSAL THAT'S OUT THERE IN THE SCOPE OF WORK. BUT AGAIN, WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT COMES INTO PLAY. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THERE'LL BE ANOTHER PROJECT COMING UP, BUT AS PART OF B DOCK, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO REPLACE THE FOUR POWER CENTERS. THE FOUR POWER CENTERS ARE IN ROUGH SHAPE. THEY ARE A STAINLESS STEEL VERSION OF THE MEE PRODUCT. WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING BACK WITH THE COMPOSITE, WHICH WILL NEVER RUST. THE STAINLESS, UNFORTUNATELY, IN THE SALT ENVIRONMENT, AND WITH THE SALT SPRAY IN THE WAVE ACTION, THESE PEDESTALS DO GET WET, AND BEING THAT THEY ARE ULTIMATELY POWDER-COATED STAINLESS STEEL, THEY DO RUST. THE COMPOSITE THEY LOOK IDENTICAL. IT'S JUST MADE OF A DIFFERENT MATERIAL THAT WON'T RUST. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO GO BACK WITH A 50 - 30 COMBINATION ON EACH SIDE FOR THOSE BOATS. THE PROJECT AFTER THAT THAT WE'RE TARGETING IS THE ADDITION. BACK ONE, PLEASE. THE SOUTH END OF D DOCK, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 140 FEET OF THAT DOCK WITH ZERO SHORE POWER. WHEN WE BRING BOATS IN, IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT IN ORDER TO PROVIDE SHORE POWER TO BOATS. THEY'RE EITHER CROSSING THE DOCK, WHICH YOU TRY TO AVOID DOING AT ALL COSTS. [01:40:01] WE'RE PUTTING A LARGE VESSEL DOWN THERE THAT MAY ONLY WANT TO RUN ON JENNY, ET CETERA. WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD TWO ADDITIONAL POWER CENTERS TO COMPLETE THE DOCK TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE POWER TO EVERY SINGLE VESSEL THAT COMES IN WITHOUT HAVING TO BE OVERLY CREATIVE IN THE DOCK ASSIGNMENT. THEN THE LAST PROJECT. UNFORTUNATELY, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DAMAGE. IT WAS ABOUT A 50-FOOT SAILBOAT THAT WAS ON ONE OF THE MOORINGS BROKE LOOSE. THE PENNANT SEPARATED FROM THE MOORING BALL, AND WE HAD A 50-FOOT SAILBOAT WITHOUT THE OWNERS ON BOARD, FLOATING FREE DOWN THE RIVER. THANK GOODNESS SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT WERE OUT THERE WERE ABLE TO GET THEIR HANDS ON IT. WE DID CALL MARINE PATROL, FWC. I MEAN, EVERYBODY RALLIED QUICKLY. WE SENT NATE PARSONS, THE ASSISTANT GM, WHO DID A PHENOMENAL JOB GETTING OUT THERE AND HELPING TO CONTROL THE SCENE. WE ARE GOING THROUGH AND HAVING EVERY SINGLE EXISTING MOORING BALL SURVEYED, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO IMPROVE UPON WHAT WE HAVE, ADD ADDITIONAL HARDWARE, AND THERE WAS ONE THAT RELEASED, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS BACK IN JULY. YOU SEE THAT THERE'S TWO THERE. THOSE TWO ARE GOING TO BE ADDED BACK IN. WE HAVE 12 ACTIVE NOW. WE'LL GO BACK TO 14. AT ONE POINT IN TIME THERE WAS 20. BUT AT THIS STAGE, WE'RE LOOKING TO GET EVERYTHING INSPECTED AND GET 14 BACK INTO PLAY, FULLY SECURE, NEW HARDWARE IF NEEDED, NEW WIRING, ETC. WE KNOW AGAIN THAT WE CAN COMFORTABLY RELY ON THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE. >> HOW OFTEN ARE THOSE JUST GENERALLY INSPECTED? >> THEY'RE INSPECTED EVERY YEAR, AND THOSE WERE INSPECTED IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR. NEEDLESS TO SAY, WE WON'T BE UTILIZING THE SAME CONTRACTOR, OR WE'RE NOT UTILIZING THE SAME CONTRACTOR FOR THE INSPECTION. >> THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T PUT BACK THE REST TO MAKE IT 20? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER FOR YOU. THAT WAS BEFORE ME. I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT GETTING THE 14 BACK THAT WE HAVE, AND THEN EVALUATING WHETHER WE HAVE THE ABILITY. ALSO, WE HAVE THE GPS COORDINATES FOR EVERY LOCATION. THE SIX THAT ARE ACTUALLY MISSING, THE MOORING BALLS, THE PENNANTS, ET CETERA, WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, AND THE PERSON THAT'S DOING THE SURVEY IS GOING TO DIVE DOWN AND SEE IF THEY CAN LOCATE THE CHAIN AND EVERYTHING. ALL THAT EQUIPMENT IS STILL DOWN THERE. WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO BRING THEM BACK TO LIFE BASED ON BUDGET. >> ANY OTHER QUESTION? THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. I SEE YOU'VE ADDED A LOT OF BOATS THERE ON E DOCK. >> YEAH. E DOCK IS GOING TO BE CHARTER BOATS AND ALL ANNUAL BOATS. WE HAVE EVERY SINGLE SPACE SPOKEN FOR. THE LAST ANNUAL BOAT, WHICH IS A 50-FOOT SABRE, A BEAUTIFUL BOAT, IS DUE IN JANUARY 15. >> THAT'S GOOD. >> WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN. >> BIG VIKING AND MAYBE HE'LL CRANK IN MOTORS UP. HE MOVES IT ONCE A MONTH. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. [INAUDIBLE] IS GOING TO MOVE. >> HE ACTUALLY BROUGHT A FRIEND WITH HIM. WE WENT BACK THROUGH OUR INQUIRY LOG, MADE A LOT OF PHONE CALLS, FIGURED OUT WHO WAS REAL, WHO WASN'T. THEN WE'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET THAT GENTLEMAN AND THEN ONE OF HIS FRIENDS AND THAT WORD OF MOUTH. BUT IT'S A FINE BALANCE FOR US BETWEEN LONG-TERM BOATS AND HAVING SPACE AVAILABLE FOR TRANSIENT, SEASONALS, ET CETERA, IN ORDER TO MAXIMIZE REVENUE, ET CETERA. BUT I'M SUPER HAPPY WITH THE TEAM, AND EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD. BUT I WELCOME YOUR FEEDBACK, YOUR COMMENTS. >> LOVED THE VISUAL, LOVE THE PRESENTATIONS. THANK YOU FOR DOING ALL THAT. >> MY ABSOLUTE PLEASURE. ANY QUESTIONS? APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> THANKS, CHRIS. >> BOARD MEMBER REPORTS, COMMENTS. [9. BOARD MEMBER REPORTS/COMMENTS] ANYTHING YOU'VE SEEN AROUND TOWN AFTER OUR FANCY TOUR LAST WEEK? ANY IDEAS FOR NEXT TIME? >> YEAH. >> OKAY. >> I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU PURSUE THAT BRIEF IDEA. THANK YOU. >> NEXT MEETING DATE. PULLING CALENDARS, [10. NEXT MEETING DATE] CHRISTMAS DAY. JUST KIDDING. MONDAY, DECEMBER 22, 6:00 P.M. GOT THAT? >> ACTUALLY, I WON'T BE HERE. [LAUGHTER] >> JAKE? >> YES, JAKE WILL BE HERE. THIS IS MY LAST MEETING WITH YOU GUYS, SO I WILL NOT BE HERE GOING FORWARD. >> NO. >> YES. IT IS TRUE. >> WE'RE JUST CRYING. >> I HOPE EVERYBODY HAS A GREAT THANKSGIVING, HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND ALL. [01:45:02] >> HAPPY THANKSGIVING. WITH THAT, MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.