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ORDER. >>

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[3.1 PAID PARKING MANAGEMENT]

>> YOU MAY BE SEATED. >> FOLKS, FOR TODAY'S WORKSHOP, WE WILL BE DISCUSSING SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT HAVE COME FORTH REGARDING OUR PAID PARKING PROPOSAL HERE. WE HAVE ONE PARKING THAT IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION I BELIEVE THEY WILL BE STARTING US OFF WITH A PRESENTATION AS WELL.

>> DO YOU HAVE THE PRESENTATION? >> YES. LET ME KICK IT OFF FOR

YOU. >> I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF SLIDES. WE HAVE SEEN THESE SLIDES BEFORE BUT JUST TO GIVE GROUND ON WHAT HAS BROUGHT US TO THIS POINT. THE BULK OF OUR DISCUSSION IS A LIVE MODEL THAT WE CAN UPDATE WITH NUMBERS AND HEAR FROM THE COMMISSION ABOUT ULTIMATELY SOME OF THESE DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE. TO RECAP, THE PURPOSE OF THE PAID PARKING INITIATIVE IS TO FUND THREE MAJOR CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE DON'T HAVE BUDGETED IN OUR CAPITAL FUNDS OR GENERAL FUNDS THIS YEAR, OR GOING FORWARD. THE CITY WALL CONSTRUCTION, DEMOLITION AND RECONSTRUCTION OF THE DOCK AND THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION PROJECT. WE HAVE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS, PROPERTY TAXES WHICH ARE UNEVENLY DISTRIBUTED. WE CANNOT LEVY IT AND IT IS NOT OURS TO COLLECT. WE COULD DO EXPENDITURE CUTS AND THAT WOULD INCREASE OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE AND CREATE A SIGNIFICANT JOB LOSS. WE CAN ADJUST SOME USER FEES BUT NOT ENOUGH, NECESSARILY, TO GENERATE SUFFICIENT REVENUE TO OFFSET WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO. THE PARKING SHIPS THE COST OF THE MAINTENANCE AND THE IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE TAXPAYERS TO THE USERS. THIS IS OUR TIMELINE. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE LATE LAST YEAR. DISCUSSIONS, ALL OF THESE AT PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THAT BRINGS US LOOKING FORWARD, WE WILL HAVE CONSIDERATION OF INITIATIVES AT YOUR NEXT MEETING AND THE CONTRACT ITSELF AND ANY SUPPORTING ORDINANCES WILL COME

IN AT A DIFFERENT TIME FRAME. >> THIS IS A RECAP OF THE ZONE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. IT IS NOT ALL OF THE PARKING DOWNTOWN. IT IS THE PREMIUM SECTION FROM FRONT STREET TO EIGHTH STREET.

THE GREEN BOXES ARE THE CITY'S SURFACE PARKING LOTS THAT ARE NOT IN THE PREMIUM ZONE. SO, JUST CALLING ATTENTION THAT WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO PROVIDE FREE OPTIONS VERY CLOSE TO THE

PREMIUM ZONE. >> WHERE ARE WE? WE HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND NOW THE COMMISSION WORKSHOP. AGAIN, CONTRACT APPROVAL WILL COME IN. WE HAVE THE PROGRAM ACTIVATION.

>> AGAIN, JUST TO RECAP, WE GOT A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE HAD WITH ONE PARKING AND A NUMBER OF DECISIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED AND ULTIMATELY WERE DOWN TO THE REVENUE MODELS AND SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT WE NEED TO DECIDE BEFORE WE FINALIZE IT.

>> ME -- WE MET WITH OUR CITIZEN AD HOC COMMITTEE LAST MONTH.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE CATEGORIES THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT, THE HOURLY RATE, THE PAYMENT METHODS. THEY WANT TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY, RECOMMENDED THAT CITY TAXPAYERS DO NOT WANT ANYTHING FOR THE ANNUAL PERMIT AND THAT THE MAXIMUM TWO CARS PER HOUSEHOLD AND THAT ABSOLUTELY WE AGREED THAT RESIDENTS WOULD BE WITHIN THE ZONE SHOULD NOT PAY ANYTHING.

THE ANNUAL PERMIT FOR NON-CITY RESIDENTS, THEY DID NOT HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON RATES BUT THAT WE GIVE SOME CONSIDERATION TO BUSINESS OWNERS THAT DON'T LIVE HERE AND POTENTIALLY A MONTHLY PASS FOR CONTRACTORS OR OTHER SHORT-TERM VENDORS. WE DISCUSSED ENFORCEMENT THAT SUNDAY WE WOULD NOT START UNTIL 1:00 P.M. AND

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DISCUSS WHAT THE IMPACT OF ALLOWING EXEMPTIONS FOR OTHER EVENT WOULD BE. NO RECOMMENDATIONS ON CITATIONS OR GRACE PERIOD. WE DID SPEND A GOOD BIT OF TIME ON SIGNAGE, LENDING THAT IN WITH THE SIGNAGE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE FOR PUBLIC PARKING AND THEN POTENTIALLY A SURVEY OF BUSINESSES WHICH MAIN STREET DID ISSUE ONE AND THEY SENT IT OUT TO OVER 200 BUSINESSES AND THEY GOT ABOUT 58 OR 59 RESPONSES. WE HAVE A

LITTLE BIT MORE DATA THERE. >> THIS IS A RECAP OF THE SIGNAGE. THE TWO ON THE LEFT ARE SIGNS THAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN ALREADY ON THE PROPOSED SIGN IN THE PARKING ZONE WOULD USE THE SAME COLORS AND FONTS AND HAVE THE QR CODE FOR PEOPLE TO SCAN A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL IN AND USE THE TEXT OPTION.

>> SO, WE WILL NOW PULL UP OUR REVENUE MODEL. IT IS JUST A BIG EXCEL SPREADSHEET AND WE HAVE SOME ASSUMPTIONS BUILT INTO THAT MODEL BUT WE HIGHLIGHTED THE ONES THAT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET YOUR INPUT ON. TO RECAP, THE COLUMN ON THE LEFT ARE THE ASSUMPTIONS WE HAVE MADE. THESE CAN ALL BE ADJUSTED. FOR INSTANCE, THERE IS A NUMBER OF THEM THAT WE KNOW TO BE TRUE, THE NUMBER OF PARCELS THAT WE HAVE, THE NUMBER OF ENFORCEMENT HOURS PER DAY, THE NUMBER OF SPACES AVAILABLE. THOSE ARE ALL FIXED ITEMS. THERE ARE SOME ASSUMPTIONS WE MADE ABOUT HOW MANY PERMITS WE MIGHT SELL OR WHAT THE OCCUPANCY RATE WOULD LOOK LIKE. THE OCCUPANCY RATE IS A BLENDED RATE. WE MEASURED IT AT MULTIPLE TIMES. WE HAVE SEEN RATES HIGHER THAN THIS AND LOWER THAN THIS BUT WHEN WE AVERAGE THEM TOGETHER, WE TAKE A VERY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH, IT IS ABOUT 52% OCCUPANCY. THE MIDDLE COLUMN THEN IS THE REVENUE PROJECTION BASED ON THOSE ASSUMPTIONS. THIS INITIAL MODEL, WE WOULD CHARGE $2 PER HOUR FOR TRANSIENT PARKING. WE WOULD NOT CHARGE RESIDENTS ANYTHING FOR THE ANNUAL PERMIT AND NONRESIDENTS WOULD PAY A $100 PERMIT PRICE. THEN, THE MIDDLE COLUMN, WE ARE NOT GENERATING ANY REVENUE FOR RESIDENTS. THERE IS A COST TO THOSE PERMITS. THE $194,000 WOULD BE PAID OUT OF ANY REVENUE THAT WE DO RECEIVE.

WE COULD RECEIVE REVENUE FROM NONRESIDENT PERMITS ALONG WITH THAT COST, WHAT WE THINK WE WOULD GENERATE IN TRANSIENT PARKING AND WHAT WE WOULD GENERATE POTENTIALLY FROM CITATIONS, WHICH ARE A SMALLER COMPONENT. IT IS A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE BASED ON SOME OTHER CITIES THAT WE LOOKED AT. YOU CAN SEE THE GROWTH REVENUE AT $2.5 MILLION MARK AND THEN WE START DEDUCTING OUR EXPENSES, THE OPERATING EXPENSES WITH PAID PARKING . THE SALES TAX, WHICH WE MAY OR MAY NOTHAVE TO SUBMIT, DEPENDING ON HOW IT IS COLLECTED. WE HAVE AN ASTERISK BY THAT, CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEE, NET COST OF 1.8 MILLION IN THE MODEL. WE HAVE MIRRORED THAT IN THE FAR RIGHT AND THAT WILL STAY FIXED. AS WE PLAY WITH THAT MODEL, THE NUMBERS ON THE CENTER COLUMN WILL CHANGE BUT THE NUMBERS ON THE FAR RIGHT WILL STAY FIXED SO THAT WE CAN COMPARE THIS BASELINE RECOMMENDATION TO ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT END UP WITH. STAFF, REALLY -- IF HE COULD GO BACK TO THE TOP, JEREMIAH. THE THREE IN THE BLUE ARE WHERE WE WANT TO FOCUS OUR ATTENTION TONIGHT.

THIS IS THE MAIN DRIVERS OF THE PROGRAM, WHERE WE SET THE HOURLY RATE, WHERE WE SET THE RESIDENT PERMIT RATE AND WHERE WE SET THE NONRESIDENT PERMIT PRICE. THOSE ARE REALLY THE THREE DRIVERS OF THIS PROGRAM. AGAIN, WE CAN ADJUST THOSE AND SEE IN REAL TIME, LET'S GO TO $2.50 AN HOUR, YOU CAN SEE THAT CHANGES THE NET PROFIT TO 2.3 MILLION . LITTLE ADJUSTMENTS CAN HAVE A BIG RIPPLE EFFECT AND OTHER ADJUSTMENTS DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN IMPACT THAT'LL. WE WENT DOWN TO AN OCCUPANCY RATE OF 45%, WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO THE MODEL. IF WE WENT FROM 1.8 MILLION TO 1.5 MILLION, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF ADJUSTMENTS THAT WOULD BE

MADE HERE. >> WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION DOWN BELOW, JUST NARRATIVE BULLET POINTS ABOUT HOW WE MADE IT AND WHY WE MADE THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE MADE AND WHAT WAS INCLUDED AND WHAT WAS NOT INCLUDED. I GUESS LET'S TOUCH ON THE ENFORCEMENT HOURS, 10:00 A.M. UNTIL 8:00 A.M., MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND 1:00 P.M. UNTIL EIGHT P.M. ON SUNDAY AND THE ESTIMATED 345 YEAR, WE TOOK OUT FEDERAL HOLIDAYS AND CITY

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SPECIAL EVENT DAYS WHERE CENTER STREET IS TYPICALLY CLOSED. I THINK WE CAN DIG INTO ANY OF THESE OTHERS IF YOU WOULD LIKE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND START TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND GET SOME RESULTS FOR THESE THREE KEY AREAS THAT WE NEED TO

DECIDE. >> THANK YOU, MS. CAMPBELL. TO HAVE ANY COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL'S -- COMMISSIONER

QUESTIONS? >> MS. CAMPBELL, IN THE OPERATING EXPENSES THAT YOU HAVE, IS THE OFFICE IN THERE

RIGHT NOW? >> THE PROPOSAL FROM ONE PARKING INCLUDED REASONABLE OFFICE SPACE. WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH THEM ABOUT USE OF SOME CITY-OWNED OFFICE SPACE THAT WOULD NOT HAVE A LEASE OR A LEASE RATE ASSOCIATED WITH IT SO WE WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A REDUCTION IN OUR OPERATING

EXPENDITURES. >> USED ON THE FLOOR IF YOU

WOULD LIKE. >> I AM GOOD. SORRY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. CAMPBELL?

>> SO, THE RESIDENT PERMIT PRICE NOW SET AT ZERO, THAT WOULD

NORMALLY BE WHAT? >> $24 IS THE COST OF ISSUANCE.

WE WERE MAKING 194,000 AND IT IS AT 194,000. IT HAS LITTLE BIT OF

IMPACT ON THE NET PROFITS. >> AGAIN, THAT IS A COMMISSION POLICY DECISION . SOME PLACES START WITH ZERO AND ADD THE COST OF ISSUANCE FOR THE SECOND YEAR. ANYWAY YOU CAN STRUCTURE THAT.

YOU CAN SAY THE FIRST TWO VEHICLES ARE FREE AND THEN YOU PAY THE COST OF ISSUANCE AFTER THAT. THERE ARE REALLY A LOT OF

WAYS TO DESIGN A. >> SO, IS THIS ASSUMING THERE ARE TWO VEHICLES ASSOCIATED WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PERMITS?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY. IF YOU HAD FOUR VEHICLES AT YOUR HOME AND THEY WERE ALL IN YOUR NAME OR FAMILY MEMBER'S NAMES, THEN YOU COULD POTENTIALLY GET TWO PERMITS FOR THOSE FOUR VEHICLES? YOU COULD MAYBE PAY $24.

>> THE PERMIT CAN'T BE SHARED AMONG VEHICLES. THE PERMIT IS ASSIGNED BASED ON LICENSE PLATE. ONE VEHICLE, ONE PASS.

>> IF I HAD TWO VEHICLES -- WE WOULD SIGN UP FOR TWO VEHICLES?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> IF I HAD FOUR VEHICLES I

WOULD SIGN UP FOR FOUR? >> TWO WOULD BE FREE.

>> WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS WE ARE GOING TO GET TWO AT NO RATE AT THIS POINT AND ANYTHING OVER TWO VEHICLES, IT WOULD BE THE $24

CHARGE? >> THAT IS AN OPTION.

>> ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO SAY THE CITY IS GOING TO COVER 15,000 PERMITS AND IT IS FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE. IF YOU NEED ONE AND YOU NEED ONE AND YOU NEED THREE, IT KIND OF EVENS OUT OVERALL AND ANYTHING ABOVE 15,000, THEN YOU START TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE SO IT DRIVES PEOPLE TO PURCHASE EARLY AND GET IT DONE AND IT GIVES THEM A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE TRANSIENT, THE VISITORS THAT ARE HERE FOR A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS, WE WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF TWO WEEK PERMIT FUNDING. WE ARE JUST NOT

WORRYING ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW? >> WE HAVEN'T BUILT IT INTO THE MODEL BECAUSE THE NONRESIDENT PERMIT PRICES IS -- THAT IS LESS THAN $10 A MONTH. I MEAN, YOU CAN --

>> HOW MANY WAYS DO YOU WANT TO SLICE IT BEFORE IT BECOMES INEFFICIENT? IF THE NONRESIDENT WERE HIGHER, $250 FOR A YEAR, MAYBE YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE A ONE MONTH OR TWO MONTH OR TWO

WEEK PERMIT FOR SOMEONE -- >> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS ABOUT, I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN TOWN DOING WORK LIKE CONTRACTORS AND LANDSCAPERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THEY WOULD JUST BUY --

>> IF WE WERE TO JUST TAKE THE HOURLY RATE TIMES 12 HOURS A DAY

-- >> THAT IS THE AVERAGE. ON A

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WEEKDAY , IT WOULD BE 10 HOURS.

>> $20 A DAY IF YOU WERE TO JUST PAY THE TRANSIENT RATE. YOU

COULD BUY ANY ANNUAL TAX. >> THAT LANDSCAPER , AND I HAVE A TRUCK AND A TRAILER IN MY TRUCK HAS A TAG IN MY TRAILER HAS A TAG AND I TAKE UP TWO PARKING SPACES BECAUSE IT IS LONG, RIGHT, ARE WE GOING TO GIVE THEM ONE PASS? SELL THEM

ONE PASS BASED ON THE TRUCK? >> WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT SCENARIO, BUT YES, I WOULD RECOMMEND ONE PASS. I COULD SEE A TRAILER BEING ASSIGNED TO A DIFFERENT WORK VEHICLE. YOU WOULD JUST WANT TO FOR THE VEHICLE IT IS ATTACHED TO.

>> OKAY. THE OTHER THING THAT I NOTICED, AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS A PARKING ISSUE, BUT MORE OF AN ORDINANCE ISSUE, ARE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE USING PARKING SPACES -- WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT WITH A FEE SCHEDULE?

>> TRUCKS TAKING UP A LONG FORM PARKING SPACES WHILE THEY ARE

SITTING -- >> IF YOU WERE DOING CONSTRUCTION . THE LAST I SAW, THEY HAD A CONSTRUCTION TRAILER, THEY HAD -- THEY WERE TAKING UP THREE PARKING SPACES. SO, THAT NEEDED TO BE -- IT NEEDS TO BE A FEE SCHEDULE ISSUE THAT WOULD BE WORKED OUT WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT. IT IS GOING TO BE DIVIDED INTO ZONES SO THAT THE CITY CAN LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND WHAT THE CITY IS SAYING. THEY WOULD NEED A RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMIT FOR THAT ANYWAY. THEY COULDN'T JUST PUT A PORTAL AT

IN OUR STREET. >> ARE YOU SURE?

>> THEY SHOULD NOT BE. >> THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE THE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION, EVEN IF WE WEREN'T DOING PAID PARKING. I WOULD SUGGEST WE START TAKING A LOOK AT THAT AND REGULATING THAT, PAID PARKING OR NOT.

>> THE OTHER QUESTION WE NEED CLARIFICATION ON IS THE RESIDENT PARKING PERMIT, ANY OF THE PARKING PERMITS. IT IS THE YEARLY OR THE RESIDENT ONE. IT IS NOT FOR ALL DAY? IT IS NOT

FOR 10 HOURS? >> CORRECT. IT DOES NOT ENTITLE SOMEONE TO PARK IN THE PREMIUM ZONE ALL DAY SEVEN HOURS A DAY.

WE WOULD NEED TO ESTABLISH A DAILY MAXIMUM. WE WERE THINKING IN THAT 3 TO 4 RANGE WOULD BE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME WHERE SOMEONE WOULD NEED TO COME DOWNTOWN AND HAVE DINNER AND WALK AROUND AND WAIT FOR A TABLE, THINGS LIKE THAT BUT THAT IS REALLY YOUR DECISION ON HOW LONG THE PERMIT WOULD BE GOOD

FOR EACH DAY. >> I WOULD THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST FOUR . THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT ON IT. THAT GIVES YOU AMPLE TIME TO DO WHATEVER YOU ARE GOING TO DO, PARTICULARLY IF YOU ARE OUT IN THE EVENING BECAUSE THEN YOU WILL BUMP UP AGAINST THE END OF ENFORCEMENT TIME.

>> WE USED TO HAVE A THREE-HOUR. I KNOW IT WAS NEVER ENFORCED BUT AT THAT TIME, FOR PEOPLE TO EAT AND STUFF, FOUR HOURS BECOMES --

>> HALF A DAY. >> AT 4:00 AT THE DAY, I JUST THINK THREE HOURS -- AGAIN, I KEEP WANTING TO REITERATE THAT THIS IS ABOUT TRYING TO GENERATE THE REVENUE. WE WANT TO FIX THE CITY AND THE SEAWALL AND WE CAN'T SLICE AND DICE IT. TO WORK AND DO ANYTHING AT THE PLANTATION, WORKERS HAD TO BUY A $250 PASS AND JUST DRIVE-IN FOR THE YEAR. THIS IS NOT A COMMON THING THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN AND OUT OF TOWN OVER TIME CAN BUY A PERMIT FOR INSTRUCTION JUST LIKE FOR THE DUMPSTER IN THE STREET. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR THAT, FOR THE AREA. YOU

JUST DON'T GET IT FREE. >> ARE YOU SURE?

>> I KNOW I HAVE BEEN CHARGED. I AM SURE PEOPLE HAVE ALSO BEEN

CHARGED. >> I DO HAVE OTHERS THAT HAVE REQUESTED TO SPEAK. YOU SAID A FOUR HOUR LIMIT?

>> YEAH, JUST TO CLARIFY. FOUR.

>> I WOULD THINK THREE HOURS. IT IS IMPORTANT. A LOT OF THE

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BUSINESSES COULD HAVE TURNOVER. I THINK THAT IS ENOUGH TIME TO STROLL AND POP INTO RANDOM PLACES THAT YOU POP INTO. THAT IS MY FEELING ON THAT. THE OTHER FEELING AND HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT THIS? I FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY THAT FOR THIS FIRST YEAR, WE ONLY OFFER ONE FREE RESIDENT PASS PER HOUSEHOLD, THAT A LOT OF HOUSEHOLDS HAVE TWO CARS. IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR ME BECAUSE I HAVE FOUR DOORS, FOUR ADULTS IN MY HOUSE BUT MAYBE THOSE ADDITIONAL CARS ARE PAYING THE $24 FEE FOR THE COST. MAYBE THEY ARE BUYING AN ANNUAL PASS. IF WE ARE GOING TO HIT THIS REVENUE TARGET, WE ALSO NEED TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT OF BEHAVIOR. I AM HUGELY GUILTY OF MEETING FRIENDS DOWN HERE, MEETING FIVE FRIENDS AND WE COME DOWN WITH FIVE CARS ARE MEETING MY HAS BEEN DOWN HERE AND WE COME DOWN IN TWO CARS. WE COULD GO BACK AND PICK PEOPLE UP, CARPOOL. SOME PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO WALK. SOME PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO BIKE.

>> 1.8, 1 MILLION NET PROFIT ON TWO VEHICLES PER HOUSEHOLD IF YOU WERE TO MOVE TO -- LET'S NOT DO THAT. IF YOU WERE TO CHANGE THAT TO ONE, GO FROM 1.8 TO 1.937. ABOUT $100,000, COMPARATIVELY, WITH THE OTHER MECHANISMS THAT CHANGE REVENUE.

THAT IS NOT AS CONSIDERABLE, EVEN THE 24% INCREASE FOR THE

HOURLY CHARGE. >> THAT IS WHY IN THE TOP THREE, THOSE ARE YOUR BIG -- THAT IS THE REVENUE MODEL FOR THE THREE DECISION POINTS THAT DRASTICALLY IMPACT YOUR REVENUE. TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, IF YOU WERE TO CHANGE THE $2 TO $2.25 OR $2.50 EVEN, YOU WILL SEE THE INCREASE OF REVENUE THERE IS 400, 500,000. AS YOU GET MORE THINGS, YOU IMPACT REVENUE BUT WHEN YOU LOOK INTO WHAT IS THE RESIDENTIAL PERMIT, THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE LEASE, ALL THAT, YOU DON'T LIVE HERE BUT YOU ON PROPERTY HERE, DOES THAT MAKE YOU MORE PERMISSIBLE FOR A PERMIT? ALL VERY SMALL IMPACTS TO REVENUE BUT THESE ARE THE THREE AREAS THAT HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE REVENUE MODEL.

>> JEREMIAH, I GREW UP WITH SIX KIDS IN MY FAMILY AND MY GRANDPARENTS, 10 PEOPLE IN MY HOUSE. AT TIMES WE HAD EASILY SIX OR SEVEN CARS. WHAT IF THE NUMBER CHANGED TO SIX OR SEVEN.

AT ONE -- WHAT POINT DO WE KEEP GIVING AWAY FREE CARS?

>> I AGREE. >> IF YOU DID FOUR, FOUR VEHICLES PER HOUSEHOLD, THERE ARE CERTAIN ASSUMPTIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE UNTIL YOU HAVE A PROGRAM IN PLACE AND SOMETHING TO WORK FROM, THERE ARE CERTAIN ASSUMPTIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE. HOW MANY CITY RESIDENTS WOULD COME GET AN ANNUAL PERMIT? YOU WOULD KNOW AFTER YEAR ONE . MALPRACTICE PEER SPECULATIVE.

THAT IS 15%. IF YOU WERE TO DO FOUR VEHICLES PER HOUSEHOLD, THAT WOULD BE REVENUE DROP ABOUT 200,000.

>> THE OTHER ELEMENT DIMENSION IS WHAT YOU WOULD NOT SEE IN THE CALCULATION BECAUSE OF THE SPREADSHEET WE MADE ANOTHER ASSUMPTIONS, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ADDING TWO FAMILY HOUSEHOLD CARS DON'T JUST GOT -- ACCOUNT THE FACT

THAT YOU CAN HAVE TWO SPACES. >> YOU ARE NOW LETTING ME AND MY HUSBAND COME DOWN HERE WITH OUR TWO CARS FOR THREE HOURS.

>> A TOURIST COMES DOWN CENTER STREET AND EVERY SPOT IS FULL AND THEY TURN AROUND AND LEAVE BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL COME DOWN

HERE AND BEEN FRUSTRATED. >> I THINK THE VAST MAJORITY OF

HOMES SURVIVE WITH ONE PASS. >> JUST SO I AM CLEAR, YOU ARE SUGGESTING THAT ONE RESIDENT GETS ONE PASS . I NEED MY CAR, MY WIFE NEEDS MY CAR. I WOULD PAY $100.

>> MAYBE YOU ARE RESIDENT AND YOU JUST PAY -- MAKE US INCUR

MORE COSTS. >> I CAN LIVE WITH THAT. AFTER ONE, YOU PAY THE CONVENIENCE FEE, THOUGH WHATEVER FEE THAT IT IS COSTING THE CITY TO DO FOR ADDITIONAL PASSES. I AM FINE WITH THAT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS STILL THE RESIDENTIAL PASS AFTER THE $24. IT IS STILL FREE, WHICH I WOULD LIKE FOR 24 HOURS. THAT IS STILL EVERYTHING YOU COULD DO. I JUST WANT TO

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COME DOWN AND GET A CUP OF COFFEE OR COME DOWN AND DO THIS.

>> DON'T FORGET, YOU CAN ALSO PARK OUTSIDE --

>> ANOTHER $2 FOR ANOTHER HOUR.

>> AND TO BE CLEAR , IF YOU LIVED IN THAT ZONE, LIKE WE SAID BEFORE, BUT TO REITERATE. IF YOU LIVED IN THAT ZONE, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO YOU. IF YOU HAVE 17 CARS --

>> THERE IS STILL A LINE DRAWN. WE HAVE ESTIMATED TWO VEHICLES PER HOUSEHOLD IF YOU ARE A PERMANENT RESIDENT OF THIS

DISTRICT. >> IS THAT ENOUGH?

>> DON'T A LOT OF THE HOUSES IN THE ZONE NOT EVEN HAVE DRIVEWAYS

OR DON'T EVEN HAVE GARAGES? >> WE CAN GET AN ACCURATE COUNT

ON THAT. >> OKAY.

>> YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR. >> I'VE GOT A RESIDENT'S PASS, I COME DOWN AND PARK. I'VE GOT TO SCAN THE KIOSK?

>> NO. IT AUTOMATICALLY DOES IT.

>> YOU REGISTER YOUR CAR. >> WHAT HAPPENS IF I RUN OVER MY TIME? DO I HAVE TO DOWNLOAD AN APP FOR IT TO TELL ME I AM GETTING CLOSE TO MY TIME? THEN ADJUST CHARGES ME --

>> IF YOU WOULD JUST COME TO YOUR PODIUM SO WE CAN HAVE EVERYTHING ON RECORD, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

>> NAME AND ADDRESS AS WELL. >> PRESIDENT OF ONE PARKING ,

PALM BEACH. >> THE LICENSE OF YOUR VEHICLE IS YOUR DIGITAL PERMIT. YOU COME DOWN AS A RESIDENT AND YOU KNOW YOU ARE ENTITLED TO THREE HOURS AND THEN AS YOU APPROACH THAT THREE HOUR MARK , YOU WOULD NEED TO HOVER OVER THE SIGN THAT JEREMIAH SHOWED WITH THE QR CODE TO TAKE IT TO THE APP TO MAKE THE PAYMENT OR WE COULD SET THIS UP TO WHERE YOU STILL DID NOT AND THEN WHEN YOU RAN OVER, THE SYSTEM IS GOING TO KNOW THAT AND SEND OUT A CITATION. I THINK WHAT THE CITY WOULD RATHER HAPPEN, SINCE IT IS LESS EXPENSIVE, IS YOU WOULD HOVER OVER THAT APP AND PAY $2, $4 OR THE HOURS --

>> SO IT WOULD BE ON THE CITY RESIDENT TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE

IN COMPLIANCE? >> YES.

>> IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR CREDIT CARD ASSIGNED TO THAT CAR SO INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, IT AUTOMATICALLY CHARGES YOU FOR THE OVERAGE, THAT $2 -- IT SEEMS LIKE YOU WOULD BE ABLE

TO DO THAT. >> WE HAVE MANY LICENSE PLATE CONFIGURATION, LPR SYSTEMS, WHERE PEOPLE -- WHAT WE CALL, JOIN THE CLUB. YOU CAN GO WANT TO THE APPS AND MAKE A ONE-TIME PAYMENT AND CHOOSE NOT TO JOIN THE CLUB. OR, YOU CAN JOIN THE CLUB AND PUT A CREDIT CARD ON FILE AND WHEN YOU COME INTO A PARKING GARAGE , YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING. WE KNOW IT IS YOUR CAR WHEN YOU COME IN. YOU'VE GOT THE PLATE. IT STARTS THE SESSION. YOU STAY AS LONG AS YOU WANT AND YOU DRIVE OUT, LPR ON THE EXIT STOPS YOUR PLATE, CALCULATES THE VALUE OF THE SESSION IN CHARGE OF YOUR CREDIT CARD ON FILE.

>> COULD THAT WORK HERE? I AM JUST ASKING.

>> I BELIEVE SO. >> SO THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION? I WOULD JUST PREFER TO PUT A CREDIT CARD IN IT WHERE IF I RAN OVER IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY PAY THE EXTRA --

>> WE ARE DOING THIS IN PLENTY OF GARAGES, RIGHT? WE HAVE A MIX HERE OF MOVING ENFORCEMENT, SOMEONE WALKING WITH A HANDHELD.

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT ANY NUMBER OF THINGS UPSTAIRS, TWO OR THREE MEETINGS. THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT BUT I WILL TELL THE COUNCIL THAT THAT TECHNOLOGY IS IN USE IN OTHER PLACES. I WILL TAKE YOUR REQUEST BACK AND DIG IN WITH OUR TECH PROVIDERS. I AM NOT TRYING TO BE EVASIVE.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? >> THAT IS KIND OF MY QUESTION.

I'VE GOT FRIENDS THAT HAVE BOATS AT DOWN AT THE MARINA AND THEY WANT TO GO FISHING WITH THEM AND THEY GO DOWN THERE AND PARK. I AM A RESIDENT SO THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE BUT AFTER THAT I WILL GET A CITATION IF THERE ISN'T SOME SORT OF SITUATION THAT KEEPS ME FROM SPENDING THE ENTIRE DAY OUT THERE. SOMETIMES IT IS NOT JUST A FOUR HOUR TRIP. YOU COULD BE OUT THERE FOR SIX HOURS. UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS THAT DYNAMIC AS WELL.

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>> THAT IS A GREAT POINT, VICE MAYOR. IF THAT IS THE CASE, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF BACK AND SYSTEM FOR AN APPEAL WHERE SOMEONE COULD CLAIM A HARDSHIP. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES. >> EVERY CITATION IS OPEN TO APPEAL. THERE IS SOMETHING WE COULD HAVE MISSED. THE ATTACK IS

NOT PERFECT. >> THIS IS 100% IN DAYTONA BEACH, 102 SEPARATE LOTS AT PALM BEACH ENTRY POINTS. ALL OF THE OFF THE BEACH CURRENTLY, WHICH IS ABOUT 68 OF THOSE IS 100% CONTROLLED WITH STATIC LPR MEANING THERE IS A CAMERA AT THE ENTRANCE, CAMERA AT THE EXIT. IT IS ALL FUNNELING THROUGH THE CLOUD. YOU CAN HOVER OVER THE QR CODE ON THE SIGN AND YOU EITHER MAKE A PAYMENT THAT GOES TO THE CLOUD OR YOU DON'T AND WE SEE YOU DRIVING OUT. THE CLOUD MAKES THE DECISION ON WHETHER YOU GET A CITATION OR NOT. BUT, EVERY ONE OF THOSE THAT ARE TO BE SENT OUT ARE REVIEWED BY HUMAN BEINGS SO WE WILL MATCH UP THE OPTIC OF THE PLATE ON ENTRY, THE OPTIC OF THE PLATE ON EXIT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE SAME CAR. ALL OF THIS IS DUE BEFORE THE CITATION GOES OUT. EVEN THEN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL. WE HAVE THE APPEALS PROCESS SET UP AND IT HAPPENS DOZENS OF TIMES A WEEK PEOPLE WILL APPEAL THEIR CITATION. RIGHT? AS YOU HEARD ME SAY AD NAUSEAM ALREADY, WE TAKE OUR MARCHING ORDERS FROM YOU .

IF YOU WANT TO BE LENIENT, WE ARE LENIENT. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE THEN WE ARE NOT. AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL, WHICHEVER YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT IS THE WAY WE ARE GOING TO DO

IT. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER MINSHEW AND THEN

BACK TO YOU, VICE MAYOR? >> ALONG THOSE KIND OF SAME LINES, I HAVE A SON PASS ACCOUNT BECAUSE I OCCASIONALLY TRAVEL AROUND THE STATE WHERE I NEED IT. I JUST PUT MONEY ON IT AND IT JUST SITS THERE UNTIL THEY SEND ME A NOTE THAT SAYS YOU NEED SOME MORE MONEY. IS THAT LIKE YOUR CLUB OR IS THAT AN

OPTION? >> NO. I MEAN -- NOW WE ARE

GETTING INTO THE WEEDS HERE. >> WE DON'T PRELOAD . I'VE GOT THE SON PASS TOO. PROBABLY HAVE TO PEOPLE IN THE ROOM DO AND I AM LOADING MY AND OCCASIONALLY. I AM DOING THE SAME THING YOU ARE DOING. VITAC THAT I HAVE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T HAVE TECH IN ANY OF OUR 250 LOCATIONS WHERE WE ARE PRELOADING THE ACCOUNT TO WORK. WE FIND IT IS BETTER TO PUT THE CREDIT CARD ON FILE AND ONLY DING THAT CREDIT CARD WHEN YOU COME IN AS A

MEMBER OF THE CLUB. >> IT DOESN'T HURT TO ASK.

>> IT DOESN'T. >> THANK YOU.

>> WITH THESE READERS, WHERE WOULD BE THE ENTRY AND EXIT

POINT? >> THESE ARE ONLY SUITABLE CURRENTLY FOR THE MARINA, MARINE ANB LOTS. YOU NEED A FOCUSED FUNNEL POINT WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO USE THE KIND OF DEVICE. IT IS THE REASON WE CAN'T DO IT OUT ON THE STREET UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO PUT CAMERAS ON THE FACES OF THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET TO CAPTURE ALL OF THESE CARS PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. YOU WOULD HAVE CAMERAS EVERYWHERE. IT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR ON STREET . WE WANT TO SULLY THE STREETSCAPE WITH ALL OF THOSE CAMERAS BUT AT THE MARINA WHERE WE HAVE A FOCUSED ENTRY AND EXIT POINT, YOU NEED X AMOUNT OF DISTANCE TO GET A GOOD PLATE READING. IT IS VERY UNOBTRUSIVE. THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THE TWO FOOT CUBE OF CONCRETE AND THEN A POLE ABOUT THREE INCHES, SOLAR POWELL -- POWER CAMERA, WHAT IS CALLED A RASPBERRY PIE, A SMALL COMPUTER UNDERNEATH THE SOLAR CELL AND THEN YOU HAVE AN ALL-ENCOMPASSING LPR SYSTEM STICKING OUT OF A TWO FOOT SQUARE OF HIDDEN CONCRETE. YOU DON'T HAVE -- WE DON'T PULL THE POWER. WE TRY TO INTERRUPT

VERY MINIMALLY. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER TUTEN, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, VICE MAYOR?

>> NO. THANK YOU. >> FIRST , STAFF, CAN WE FOCUS BACK ON THE BLUE? IF WE THINK WE ARE SETTLED ON THE RESIDENT

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PERMITS THAT WE WILL GO WITH ONE FREE AND ONE ADDITIONAL 24 FOR THE THING? WHAT WE WANT TO DO ABOUT HOURLY RATES?

>> I THINK IT IS A GOOD PLACE TO START.

>> I'M JUST TRYING TO HIT NEAR THE 2 MILLION. ANYTHING MORE

THAN THAT AND IT IS OVERKILL. >> SO LEAVE THAT AND MOVE ON?

>> I BELIEVE THE FIRST YEAR, IF THE COMMISSIONER WERE TO IMPLEMENT IT, I THINK GIVEN WHAT COMMISSIONER POYNTER SAID, IF THAT IS WORKING ON THE PROJECT WE NEED, THAT IS A GREAT STARTING POINT AND WE CAN EITHER ADJUST UP OR DOWN AND BE SUCCESSFUL TO ACCOMMODATE ANY CHANGES THAT ARE UNIQUE TO THE

CITY HERE. >> AND NON-RESIDENT PERMITS?

>> I ECHO THE SAME SENTIMENT. IS THERE ANY FEEDBACK OTHERWISE?

>> I THINK $100 . >> I WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO WHAT IF A WAITER OR A WAITRESS DOWNTOWN NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ONE OF THOSE PARKING SPACES. IT IS NOT AN UNREASONABLE AMOUNT IN MY MIND, THAT THAT MIGHT BE NOT QUITE EVEN ONE NIGHT OF TIPS VERSUS IF IT IS $300, SUDDENLY NOW THEY HAVE TO WORK FOR A WEEK OR TWO TO PAY THAT. I THINK IF THE REVENUE ADDS UP THE WAY IT DOES, IT SEEMS REASONABLE AND IN A

YEAR OR TWO, WE CAN ADJUST IT. >> I DON'T THINK AN EMPLOYEE IS GOING TO BUY A NONRESIDENT PERMIT PASS IF THEY HAVE TO PAY AFTER THREE OR FOUR HOURS ANYWAY.

>> I WOULD AGREE. THE BEHAVIOR CHANGE IS TO USE A NON-PAID A LOT BUT I ALSO THINK IT IS AN OPTION, ESPECIALLY SOMEONE WHO STARTS WORK AT 4:00 AND THE ENFORCEMENT ENDS AT INN OR 9:00.

>> MAYOR? I AM ASKING JEREMIAH TO PUT UP ANOTHER MAP. I REALIZE THAT WE FOCUSED A LOT ON THE CITY LOTS THAT WERE OUTSIDE OF THE PREMIUM ZONE BUT I WANTED TO CALL ATTENTION TO THE CITY LOTS THAT ARE IN THE PREMIUM ZONE SO EVERYONE HAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE PAID ZONE, PARKING LOTS A AND B, THE LIBRARY LOT, THE SMALL LOT ON SOUTH 4TH STREET.

IN ADDITION, IN GREEN , THESE ARE PRIVATE LOTS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED. IN OTHER WORDS, THE CENTURY 21 BUILDING HAS GOT FIVE SPACES IN THEIR LOT, THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO THESE PROGRAMS. ANY OF THESE 21 PRIVATE LOTS ARE STILL DEDICATED TOWARD THOSE BUSINESSES IN THOSE BUSINESS' CUSTOMERS OUTS THEY HAVE OPPOSED ALREADY. ANOTHER 305 SPACES ARE DOWNTOWN FOR BUSINESS AND CUSTOMER USE IN THE PRIVATE, DEDICATED LOT. THAT IS A GOOD

DISTINCTION TO MAKE. >> I HAVE COMMISSIONER TUTEN 'S

LIGHT ON. >> IN TERMS OF THE ANNUAL GUEST PASS , WHO IS THAT PERSON? ANYBODY IN THE WORLD WHO IS NOT A RESIDENT? SO, YOUR GRANDMOTHER IN CANADA CAN BUY ONE? OKAY.

>> IF I MAY, THE INTENTION IS, THE MORE WE DYE SUB DIFFERENT PROBLEMS, THE MORE COMPLICATED THE PROCESS CAN BECOME THE NECK

AND CREATE CHAOS. >> IF YOU ARE PARKING, YOU COME DOWN HERE ONCE A WEEK FOR THREE HOURS , THAT IS $300. IT IS

DEFINITELY A LOT CHEAPER. OKAY. >> AT WHAT POINT -- DO WE NEED MORE TIME TO TALK ABOUT OTHER ISSUES OR WILL THIS BE A STAFF DRIVEN THING? ARE THERE OTHER ISSUES LIKE FUNERALS AND COMMUNICATION BETWEEN CHURCHES AND THE PARKING PROFESSIONALS OR THE LIBRARY? THOSE NINE SPOTS IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY --

>> THEY ARE JUST PARKING SPACES.

>> IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO MAKE SOME OF THEM LIBRARY ONLY AND

WALK IN. >> FREE FOR THREE HOURS.

>> IF YOU ARE A RESIDENT. >> OR IF YOU BUY A NONRESIDENT

PASS? >> IF I MAY, I KNOW THERE WAS A DISCUSSION. THERE WAS A MENTION OF THE LIBRARY HAVING THE ABILITY TO OFFER PARKING VALIDATIONS FOR NUMBER OF THEIR SPOTS. THERE ARE ACTUALLY DESIGNATED SPOTS FOR THE

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LIBRARY. >> YOU WOULD WALK INTO THE LIBRARY AND YOU WOULD GIVE THEM YOUR LICENSE PLATE AND BE DONE.

THEY WOULD ENTER IT. >> I THINK WE JUST TRY TO KEEP

THIS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE. >> AGREE.

>> IF YOU ARE A RESIDENT, YOU HAVE YOUR PASS AND YOU CAN COME TO THE LIBRARY. IF YOU ARE NOT A RESIDENT AND YOU DECIDE TO PARK AT THE LIBRARY, YOU CAN PARK ONE BLOCK OVER IN THE FREE LOT.

>> IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO MENTION, TOO, PART OF THIS MODEL ACCOUNTED FOR A 20 MINUTE GRACE PERIOD. IF YOU ARE DROPPING SOMETHING OFF IN FIVE MINUTES AND NOT COMING OUT, YOU WOULD

NOT NEED TO PAY A FEE. >> I THINK IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IF YOU HAVE A HANDICAP LICENSE PLATE, YOU CAN PARK ANYWHERE FOR FREE. DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BE IN A HANDICAP

SPOT. >> CORRECT.

>> WE DEDUCTED ALL OF THE HANDICAP SPACES FROM THE TOTAL TOWN. WE ARE NOT ANTICIPATING ANY REVENUE FROM THE TAX BASIS.

>> YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR. OTHERWISE WE MOVED TO

COMMISSIONER MINSHEW. >> NO. THANKS.

>> BACK TO THE COUPLE OF OTHER CITY LOTS THAT ARE INSIDE THE PREMIUM ZONE, THOSE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR LICENSE PLATE READERS AS WELL. WE MAY NOT DO THEM ON DAY ONE BUT YOU COULD EASILY PUT LICENSE PLATE READERS IN THE LOTS, DEPENDING ON AS WE

MOVE -- THE CAMERAS. >> RIGHT.

>> THE FIXED CAMERAS. >> THEY ARE LOTS.

>> ABSOLUTELY. WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE CONTRACT AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, ALSO WE ARE AWARE OF THE PETITION . SOME GUIDANCE WE RECEIVED FROM YOU ALL IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN EASY EXIT FOR THIS CONTRACT. PART OF THAT IS NOT INVESTING A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE. WHEN YOU ARE ADDING CAMERAS, YOU ARE PUTTING IN OF THE STRUCTURE AND THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AS A PILOT PROGRAM, USING WALKING ENFORCEMENT AS THE START OF THAT AND AS THE REVENUE COMES IN AND YOU USE THE REVENUE TO INVEST FURTHER IF THAT IS THE WILL AND DECISION IS MADE TO CONTINUE ON.

>> THE NEXT QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, THE NUMBER OF THE VEHICLES PER HOUSEHOLD. WE DECIDED THAT IS ONE OR TWO?

>> ONE. WHAT WE HAVEN'T BUILT INTO THIS MODEL, WE DID NOT PREDICT FROM THIS ANGLE, IS ANOTHER SET OF LINES FOR ADDITIONAL $24 PURCHASES. WE WILL TAKE THAT $8100 AND 25% AND ADD IN $24 SO THERE WILL BE SOME ALSO.

>> RIGHT NOW, WHERE THAT GOES DOWN, THE DECREASE TO EXPENSE BUT THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE A CORRESPONDING FORMULA FOR THE INCREASED REVENUE. THERE IS A CERTAIN ASSUMPTION HERE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BUY THAT SECOND PERMIT BUT WE WILL WORK WITH ONE PARKING TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT WOULD BE AND WE WOULD HAVE A NUMBER

BECAUSE IT IS THE COST ALSO. >> CORRECT.

>> JUST GIVING A LONG ONE FOR FREE.

>> I AM GOOD WITH THAT. >> ALREADY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS,

COMMISSIONER TUTEN? >> I DO HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE AS WELL . I WILL TAKE SPEAKER REQUESTS AND THEN WE HAVE THE CONSENSUS FROM STAFF. OUR FIRST TO SPEAK IS WARREN

MATTILA. >> IF YOU MAY, COME TO THE PODIUM AND WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PODIUM, PLEASE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. WARREN MATTILA. FIRST QUESTION IS , WALKING IN HERE, IT SEEMED LIKE THIS WAS A DONE DEAL. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PETITION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE TOWN ASKING

TO PUT IT ON A TOWN WARRANT? >> THAT WILL BE DONE AT THE NEXT MEETING. THIS IS THE PRESSURE NOT TO DISCUSS THE REVENUE.

>> SO I CAN ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION. ON THE MAIN STREET, THE CENTER STREET, I UNDERSTAND IF YOU WERE IN A PARKING AREA, YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER THE ACCESS AND EGRESS PARTS. HOW DO YOU CONTROL OR KEEP TRACK OF THE PEOPLE PARKING ALONG THE STREET, THE MAIN ROAD, IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESSES?

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>> THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE VENDOR BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT DOES NOT BECOME A DIALOGUE. YOU WILL HAVE YOUR QUESTION AND WE WILL TRY TO HAVE THEM COME UP AND ANSWER THOSE. IS THAT YOUR ONLY QUESTION?

>> YES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH., ON UP.

>> WHEN YOU HAVE THE LPR CAMERA STATIC ON THE LOTS OR YOU HAVE A GOOD IMAGE, THAT IS SELF-EXPLANATORY. WHAT YOU BASICALLY DO IS TAKE THOSE CAPABILITIES AND PUT THEM IN A CELL PHONE, A HANDHELD AND THEN WE HOVER OVER THE CAMERA. WE HAVE HER OVER THE PLATE WITH THE CAMERA AND IT DOES WITH THE STATIC LPR DOES ON THE SURFACE. THAT PICTURE PUTS IT INTO THE SYSTEM. REMEMBER WHEN PEOPLE USED TWO CHOPPED TIRES OUT ON THE STREET? IT ESSENTIALLY DOES THE SAME, VIRTUALLY CHALKS IT.

THEY PUT IT INTO THE SYSTEM AT THE TIME WE HAD IT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU.

>> MAX MORRIS, A 21 PARKVIEW. FIRST OFF, MARIAN PHELPS SAYS NO PAID PARKING. YOU ALL ALMOST MADE PAID PARKING SOUND REASONABLE. THE PAID PARKING REVENUE BEING SUFFICIENT TO THE $7 MILLION LOAN AT THE CITIES AND PROCESS OF GETTING TO THE LARGE PRINT BE DEVELOPED? LEAVING TAXPAYERS LIABLE FOR THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENT FOR THE LIFE OF THAT LOAN. THERE WAS NO FISCAL IMPACT STUDY ON THE BUSINESS DISTRICT COMPARABLE TO OUR DOWNTOWN. WHEN YOU ALL TALK ABOUT ATLANTA, NEPTUNE AND JACK SPEECHES, THAT IS A CIVIC COMPARISON. THEY HAVE BEACHES.

THAT IS A MAJOR DRAW FOR PEOPLE WHO COME TO THOSE AREAS. CENTER STREET IS A MILE FROM THE BEACH. ALSO , VISITORS HAVE TO TRAVEL PAST HUNDREDS OF BUSINESSES, BARS AND RESIDENTS WITH FREE PARKING BEFORE GETTING TO CENTER STREET. WE ARE OUT OF THE WAY UP HERE. THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THE 1.5 MILLION VISITORS THAT Y'ALL KEEP QUOTING ARE EVER GOING TO MAKE IT PAST -- HALF OF THEM WON'T EVEN MAKE IT PAST HARRIS TEETER SHOPPING CENTER.

THEY DON'T NEED TO. EVERYTHING IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE WERE MOST OF THEM END UP STAYING FOR THEIR CONVENTIONS AND WORKSHOPS. THE MAIN THING IS REDUCING THE FIXED CURRENT BUDGET EXPENSES BY $2 MILLION AND HAVE THAT AVAILABLE EACH FOLLOWING YEAR. YEAH, THAT IS GOING TO HURT. WOULD YOU RATHER HURT DOWNTOWN RETAIL BUSINESSES BY PUTTING THEM OUT OF BUSINESS AND LOST JOBS THERE WITH PAID PARKING? THAT WILL HAPPEN. IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE.

IT HAS HAPPENED AT COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SMALL TOWNS. WHERE IS THE REPORT? THE FISCAL IMPACT REPORT ON OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. WHERE IS THE MEETING THAT YOU HELD WITH DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS? THERE ISN'T ONE. YOU SEND OUT THE SURVEY BY MAIN STREET. THESE ARE WEIRD QUESTIONS. I WOULDN'T ANSWER THEM. THAT IS PROPRIETARY INFORMATION. ALSO, WHAT IS THE VENDOR CONTRACT BREAKDOWN WHEN THE CITY RESIDENTS VOTE TO REPEAL THIS PARKING, PAID PARKING SPEARMAN? WHAT IS THE BREAKOUT OF THE CONTRACT? CITY RESIDENTS HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW BECAUSE IT IS THEIR TAX DOLLARS THAT WILL PAY THAT PENALTY. YOU WILL HAVE A MENTIONED THAT ONCE, WHAT THE BREAKOUT IS. NOT ONCE.

THESE PEOPLE OUT HERE DESERVE TO KNOW THAT. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THEIR MONEY, THEIR DOWNTOWN. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> NEXT UP WE HAVE SUSAN BARRY.

>> HELLO. FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL. SUE BARRY, 1793. I AM HERE IN LIEU OF JIM CONTE. WE JUST WANTED TO TOUCH BASE AND SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE PROJECT, IF THERE IS ANY DECISION OR RESOLUTION ON THAT. I KNOW IT IS NOT RELEVANT TO THIS BUT WE ARE STILL ACTIVELY PURSUING

VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. WE WILL HAVE STAFF

CORRESPOND WITH YOU. >> NEXT UP, MR. MICHAEL SHARP .

>> MIKE SHARP, 130 NORTH NINTH STREET. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER A COUPLE OF THINGS. MAYBE THAT HOURLY RATE. EVEN A $.25 INCREASE IS REALLY THE MONEY. IF YOU ARE HITTING A $2

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MILLION MARK, MAYBE 225 OR 250 TO GET TO THAT HOURLY RATE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HIT YOUR MARK AND IT IS NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO ANYBODY WHETHER IT IS $2 OR $2.50 TO PARK HERE. I WOULD ALSO LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER ADDING $24 TO THE NONRESIDENT PRICE SO IT IS $124 TO OFFSET THAT FREE PARKING FOR RESIDENTS. I AM ALREADY PAYING. I AM PAYING TO PARK DOWN HERE. I AM PAYING FOR EVERYONE TO PARK DOWN HERE INCLUDING -- ALL OF THE CITY RESIDENTS ARE. MAYBE ADD $20 TO THE FEE TO OFFSET WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. YOU NEED TO MAKE IT A SEPARATE LINE ITEM. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER EXTENDING THE HOURS TO 10:00 P.M.. I COME DOWN HERE A LOT THAT NIGHT. I COME DOWN HERE EVERY DAY AND A LOT OF TIMES A NIGHT. 10:00 P.M., SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. THERE WAS NO REASON TO CUT IT OFF EARLY. WHETHER OR NOT THEY PAY IT OR HOWEVER THEY ENFORCE IT, THE TOURISTS WILL PAY FOR THAT EXTRA PARKING. MAKE IT UNTIL 10:00. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHETHER PEOPLE LIKE IT OR NOT. WHETHER YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MAKING THESE INCREMENTAL RATES WEEKLY OR BIWEEKLY OR MONTHLY , I WOULD HAVE THAT SIMPLIFIED. IT IS $40 FOR A MONTH. IF YOU STAY HERE TWO WEEKS OR IF YOU STAY HERE ONE WEEK, YOU CAN PAY TO PARK SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. THIS ONE $40 PASS THAT GIVES YOU 30 DAYS AND THAT IS IT. I WOULD SAY SIMPLIFY THOSE THINGS AND DO THE THINGS THAT ARE MEANINGFUL UP IN THE TOP THREE PARTS, SPECIFICALLY TO THE HOURLY RATE. THAT IS MORE MEANINGFUL THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. SHARP.

>> NEXT, MS. JULIE HERRERA. >> GOOD EVENING. JULIE PERERA, 501 DATE STREET. MY QUESTION IS, WE ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. I WANT TO KNOW, WHEN WE ARE JOINING THE CLUB, IF WE ARE JOINING THE CLUB OF BIG BROTHER BECAUSE ACLU -- YOU KNOW I DON'T SUPPORT PAID PARKING. THIS IS A DIFFERENT TAKE ON THAT. THE ACLU IS ADVISING IN HIS APOLOGIES NOT TO ENTER INTO AGREEMENTS WITH PARKING COMPANIES THAT SHARE INFORMATION, PRIVATE INFORMATION OF INDIVIDUALS. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY THE COMPANIES ARE USING LICENSE PLATE READERS, SHARING THE INFORMATION WITH LITTLE OVERSIGHT, LITTLE PRIVACY PROTECTION. THE INFORMATION CAPTURED BY READERS IS BEING SOMETIMES COOLED INTO REGIONAL SHARING SYSTEMS TO RECORD CITIZEN MOVEMENTS IN THEIR ARE TOO FEW RULES FOR WHAT IS BECOMING A TOOL FOR SURVEILLANCE. AND, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ANY ENTITY THAT YOU DECIDE TO ENGAGE WITH, THAT THEIR LICENSE PLATE READERS ARE NOT COLLECTING DATA WITHOUT IT DISAPPEARING ON A REGULAR BASIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THIS TOWN WERE COMING TO THIS TOWN WANTS TO BE ADDED TO A DATABASE IN THE CLOUD THAT IS GOING TO BE USED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT HERE, SOMEPLACE ELSE, I DON'T KNOW WHO. A USED TO BE A CORE PRINCIPLE THAT GOVERNMENT, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, BIGGER GOVERNMENT, DOESN'T INVADE PEOPLE'S PRIVACY AND I THINK WE ARE STEPPING OVER THE EDGE THAT NEEDS TO BE CAREFULLY THOUGHT ABOUT. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT IS PAUL ORIE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. 11 SOUTH SEVENTH STREET FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. I'M TRYING TO THINK HOW TO JUST KEEP MY THOUGHTS STRAIGHT BECAUSE I -- I DIDN'T WANT TO GET FLUSTERED WHEN I CAME UP HERE BUT TO ADDRESS YOU ALMOST FEELS LIKE IT IS FRIVOLOUS. I HAVE SEEN TWO COMMISSIONERS CAMPAIGN ON NO PAID PARKING OR THREADING THE LINE ON THE NOTION OF NO PAID PARKING AND TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY IS EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTING. IT IS HEARTBREAKING. WHERE DOES IT STOP? I WENT TO THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE TODAY. THEY DIDN'T HAVE PAID PARKING. I DON'T THINK I SEE VERY MANY PRIVATE BUSINESS HERE WHERE I HAVE TO GO INTO AN

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APP AND PAY FOR PARKING. YET, AS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO DO PAID PARKING TO GET REVENUE AND THEN WHEN DOES IT STOP? I WONDER WHERE THIS CONVERSATION WOULD BE IF WE INTRODUCED AND SAID, LET'S MAKE FLETCHER ONE WAY. THE OTHER SIDE OF FLETCHER, LET'S JUST PAVE IT AND MAKE IT PARKING LOTS. LET'S GET SOME REVENUE. NEVER ONCE SINCE I HAVE LIVED HERE DID I EVER THINK THAT I WAS CARRYING THE BURDEN FOR ANYBODY. NEVER ONCE, COMMISSIONERS. THIS TOWN IS GROUNDED AND IT IS FOUNDED AND IT LIVES ON IN INTIMACY AND THAT TAKES ALL THE INTIMACY AWAY FROM OUR COMMUNITY, WHETHER YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IT OR NOT. YOU

HAVE JUST MONETIZED -- >> PLEASE, NO CLAPPING FOR THE AUDIENCE. WE HAVE TO ALLOW COMMENTS TO COME FROM THE

PODIUM. >> YOU HAVE JUST MONETIZED OUR CITY. THE COMMISSIONERS SAID IT ON THE NEWS. WE ARE THE ONLY REMAINING TOWN. WHY ISN'T THAT OKAY? WHY ARE ALL OF THE OTHER CITIES MODELED WITH THIS DRIVEN COMMUNITY WHEN WE SEE EVEN THOSE SAME CITIES YOU ARE CITING THAT ARE FAILING? WHERE IS PAID PARKING GOING TO STOP? YOU CAN PUT THIS THROUGH AS YOUR LITTLE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, YOUR LITTLE TEST PLAN BUT IT IS GOING TO FAIL ALONG THE WAY FOR A LOT OF FOLKS AND IT IS GOING TO BE SAD

TO WATCH. >> THANK YOU. NEXT IS MS. SANDY

KERRY. >> HI. SANDY KERRY FOR 25 DRIVE.

ONE OF THE THINGS I DON'T SEE UP THERE, I SEE A LOT OF PROJECTIONS AND OPERATING COSTS AND PROFIT BUT THEY DON'T SEE WHAT THE COST TO THE CITY IS GOING TO BE FOR THE CONTACT. IS

IT UP THERE? >> OPERATING EXPENSES.

>> IS THAT THE FULL FEE? >> I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT IN THE CITY OF DELRAY BEACH WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN FERNANDINA BEACH -- I SENT THIS TO SOME OF YOU, THEY JUST INSTITUTED A PARKING PROGRAM WITH ONE PARKING AND IT WAS ISSUED FOR THREE YEARS IN 2022 AND THEY JUST PASSED, IN 2024, A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL WITH ONE PARKING IN THE AMOUNT OF $154,155 AND THEY WANTED TO REVISE THE AMOUNT, GET THIS, $5,499,583 . NOW, I KNOW DELRAY BEACH IS BIGGER AND THEY HAVE A LOT MORE PARKING SPACES BUT I THINK YOU ALL NEED TO LOOK REAL HARD AT THIS PROPOSED PLAN., WHETHER THIS IS REALLY GOING TO NET WHAT YOU THINK IT IS. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT TO ME WITH WHAT THEY WORKED OUT WITH DELRAY BEACH. IT IS A SIMILAR PROGRAM I THINK MAYBE INCLUDES THE GARAGES. THE CITY HALL PAYS THE CONTRACTOR AN ANNUAL MANAGEMENT FEE OF 54,000 YEAR ONE, 55,000 IN YEAR TWO AND $57,000 IN YEAR THREE. THEY ALSO ASKED THE CITY TO HELP THEM WITH EQUIPMENT COSTS FOR THE SOFTWARE AND THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY NEED TO READ THE PLATES OR HOWEVER THEY DO IT. THERE IS A REAL ISSUE HERE ABOUT PRIVACY. I DON'T WANT INFORMATION ABOUT MINE FLOATING AROUND IN THE CLOUD. I THINK THERE IS A LEGITIMATE REASON WHY CITIES SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE BURDENED WITH THAT. WE HAVE SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO RAISE REVENUE. YOU JUST NEED TO TAKE YOUR TIME AND LOOK AT THE BONDS, WHATEVER. THIS THING IS GOING TO FAIL AT THE POLLS AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE RIGHT BACK HEREIN NINE MONTHS, OR SOME OF YOU WILL, AND IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO AWAY. THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A CLAUSE TO LET YOU OUT OF THE CONTRACT WITHOUT ANY PENALTY OR ENTERING INTO A LAWSUIT, THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED. THIS WHOLE THING, I THINK YOU FORGET, IS TAX DOLLARS. IT IS FUNDED BY TAX DOLLARS. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF THAT. BESIDES ALL THE INCONVENIENCE AND HOW IT IS GOING TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I JUST THINK THIS CONTRACT SORT OF GIVES YOU A TASTE OF WHAT IS IN STORE . I THINK IT IS JUST A WISH LIST THAT YOU HOPE YOU GET THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY BUT IT IS GOING TO GO AWAY AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET OUT OF

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THAT CONTRACT, YOU ARE GOING TO END UP IN MORE LAWSUITS.

>> THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE OTHER SPEAKER CARD FOR THIS TOPIC, TWO OTHERS THAT WERE SUBMITTED ARE NOT RELATED TO THE WORKSHOP AND THOSE WILL CARRY FORWARD INTO THE REGULAR MEETING FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. THE LAST ONE FOR THE WORKSHOP WILL BE MR.

JAMES MILLER. >> JAMES MILLER, BLACKHAWK ROAD.

MY QUESTION IS, I AM A NONRESIDENT TAXPAYER. I PAY ALMOST $6000 A YEAR IN TAXES. WHERE DO I FIT IN TO YOUR FREE PERMITS? FOLLOWING THAT QUESTION, OTHERS HAVE COME UP IN DISCUSSION. I'M THE ONE THAT EMAILED YOU ABOUT THE STATE TAX HANDICAP PARKING. IT SEEMS TO BE A BIG DISPARITY BETWEEN WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND WHAT YOU SEEM TO UNDERSTAND. MY UNDERSTANDING IS ANYONE WITH THE PLACARD CAN PARK IN ANY SPOT IN TOWN FOR FOUR HOURS. TAKING THOSE 17 EXISTING OUT OF THIS DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING AT ALL. THAT IS A DEMOGRAPHIC THAT YOU HAVE NO BASIS FOR. I SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN MY THIRD POINT.

>> THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORKSHOP. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO CONSIDER THE NUMBERS BEFORE WE ACTUALLY ADJOURN AND THEN WE WILL AGAIN OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING AT 10:00 -- 10 AFTER 6:00.

>> FOR NON-CITY RESIDENTS BEING CHARGED, THE $24 PROCESSING FEE, ADDING IT ON TO THE NONRESIDENT PERMIT.

>> WAS THERE ANY CONTENTION REDUCING THE VEHICLE HOUSEHOLD TO ONE AND ADDING THE FEE STRUCTURE? IS THAT THE WAY HE

SHOULD MOVE FORWARD? >> I AM GOOD WITH THAT.

>> DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS? ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS FROM THE

COMMISSION? >> YOU ALL KNOW I AM OUT ON

THIS. >> WE HAVE A MAJORITY, NOT A CONSENSU

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