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>> CALL TO ORDER, MEETING OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL, SEPTEMBER 18, 2025.
COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? I GOT A BACK UP CENTER.
PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I'M GOING TO ASK BOARD MEMBERS FOR ANY DISCLOSURE OF EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
>> YES. I'LL BE RECUSING MYSELF FOR THE SECOND CASE.
I WAS SERVING AS THE AGENT'S CONTRACTOR, SO MY FINANCIAL INTERESTS IN THE CASE.
I HAVE THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST FORM.
I'LL BE SUBMITTING TO THE RECORDING SECRETARY FOLLOWING THIS MEETING.
I HAD EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION WITH HDC CASE 2025 [INAUDIBLE]
>> EVERY CASE AND I ALSO MET MIA ON ALL OF THE CASES ON THE AGENDA.
MRS. PRINCE, COULD YOU GO OVER THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEDURES, PLEASE?
>> I WOULD LOVE TO. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNSEL HEARINGS ARE QUASI JUDICIAL, WHICH ARE FORMAL THAN A COURT HEARING, BUT SIMILAR IN PROCEDURES AND PRESENTATIONS OF EVIDENCE.
APPLICANTS ARE ENTITLED TO BE REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL.
IF YOU DESIRE A CONTINUANCE TO OBTAIN COUNSEL, YOU MAY MAKE THAT REQUEST TO THE BOARD, AND WE CAN CONTINUE YOUR CASE.
THE HEARING PROCEDURES WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.
STAFF WILL PRESENT ITS INFORMATION, AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS ALLOWED TO COME UP AND SPEAK.
THE BOARD MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF EITHER PARTY.
ONLY EVIDENCE THAT'S MATERIAL TO THE CASE MAY BE ADMITTED INTO EVIDENCE.
WE ARE REPORTING, SO TRY NOT TO SPEAK OVER ONE ANOTHER.
ANY DOCUMENTS THAT YOU SUBMIT TO US WILL NOT BE RETURNED.
IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT GETTING IT BACK, I WOULD NOT HAND IT TO US.
OTHER THAN THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM, AND OR WE CAN JUST MOVE ON.
>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ATTORNEY? SEEING NONE.
IF YOU PLAN TO SPEAK TODAY, WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE SO THAT THE SECRETARY CAN. I'M SORRY.
>> DOES THAT INCLUDE PUBLIC FORUM?
>> ANY SPEAKING YOU WANT TO DO TODAY, YOU'LL BE ASKED TO GIVE AN OATH.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> IF YOU DO PLAN TO SPEAK TODAY, PLEASE ENSURE THAT YOU COMPLETE ONE OF THE FORMS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM? TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE SECRETARY.
[2. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING.HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM?
>> ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CHANGES?
[4.1 HDC 2022-0072 - MIRANDA ARCHITECTS, AGENT FOR I P HOLDINGS GROUP LLC, 101 N. 2ND STREET]
WE'LL START WITH OUR AGENDA ITEMS AND OLD BUSINESS ITEM 4.1. MISS. MIA.I'M A [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE CITY OF [INAUDIBLE] OF BEACH.
THANK YOU ALL FOR ACCOMMODATING ME OVER ZOOM TODAY.
I'LL TRY TO SPEAK TO BOTH SO WE DON'T LOSE ANY CONNECTION AND I'LL BE SHARING MY PRESENTATION SCREEN.
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BUT I'M HERE JUST THE SAME TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THE CASES.SO GETTING STARTED ON OLD BUSINESS, ITEM 4.1.
THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED APPLICATION IN 2022 FOR THE INTERIM MARINE BUILDING AT 101 NORTH SECOND STREET.
THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION FOR AN ADOPTIVE BREESE PROJECT, THAT INCLUDED SHOWING UP THE BUILDING, BUT HAD SOME MORE ADDITIONS AND SOME MORE DETAILED ADOPTED BE FUNCTIONS.
[INAUDIBLE] HAS APPLICATION FOR MORE OF A STRUCTURAL ASSURANCE PROJECT TO MAKE SURE THE BUILDING DOESN'T CONTINUE TO FALL INTO DISREPAIR.
THIS INCLUDES INSTALLING A NEW ROOF AND CEILING AND A STRUCTURAL STEEL FRAME ON THE INSIDE.
THEY ARE REQUESTING TO REPLACE WINDOWS WITH MARVIN ULTIMATE WINDOWS TO REPLACE DOORS THAT WOULD BE CUSTOM MADE TO MATCH WHAT'S EXISTING, TO REPAIR THE EXTERIOR FINISH AND REPAINT THE STANDARD SIGN ON THE WEST ELEVATION.
REPAINTING THE STANDARD SIGN WAS A VARIANCE THAT WAS GRANTED A CONCURRENCY WITH THE CASE IN 2022.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE FACADE AS IT IS TODAY.
THEN I JUST PULLED THE PROPOSED WEST ELEVATION, WHICH HAS THE STANDARD MARINE REPAINTING SIGN.
THE ONLY CONDITION THAT I WOULD IMPOSE ON THE APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION IS THAT THE APPLICANT FOLLOWS THE RESULTS OF THE WINDOW SURVEY CONDUCTED BY AUSTIN HISTORICAL.
THE APPLICATION PROPOSES THE REPLACEMENT OF ALL WINDOWS.
BUT ACCORDING TO THE WINDOW SURVEY DONE BY DESIGN PROFESSIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL NATURE OF WINDOWS, ONLY A COUPLE OF WINDOWS SO BE COMPLETELY REPLACED.
AS I GO THROUGH APPROVING PERMITS AND GIVING APPROVING THE PERMIT.
I'LL BE MAKING SURE THAT IS CONCURRENT WITH WHAT WAS CONCLUDED IN THE WINDOW SURVEY, WHICH WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET.
THE ARCHITECT JOE MIRANDA SUBMITTED SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PLANS, WHICH I THINK HE HAS PART COPIES THERE THAT HE'LL PASS OUT TO YOU TODAY.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION, THE ADDITION OF A DOOR WITH A TRANSIENT WINDOW.
THIS WAS AN EXISTING BOARDED UP DOORWAY, STAFF FINDS IT CONGRUENT WITH RESTORATION PROCESS AND THE SECRETARY OF VENTURE, AND THIS WAS THE OTHER MINOR MODIFICATION.
ON THE TOP LEFT. THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, THEY ADDED A WINDOW IN THE PREVIOUS PLACE WHERE THERE WAS A WINDOW.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING FINAL APPROVAL FOR THIS APPLICATION.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS SADLER? SAYING NONE. MR. MIRANDA?
>> MR. MIRANDA BERNA, ARCHITECT OF UNITED HOUSE CENTER STREET.
YOU GUYS MAY OR MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH A LONG JOURNEY ON THIS PROJECT.
THIS LATEST VERSION IS AN EFFORT TO TRY TO SAVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN OF THE BUILDING.
WE HAD DONE A STRUCTURAL CONDITION ASSESSMENT EARLIER THIS SUMMER.
THE BUILDING IS IN REALLY BAD SHAPE.
THERE'S AT LEAST SIX HOLES IN THE ROOF THAT HAVE LED TO COLLAPSE OF NOT ONLY THE ROOF SYSTEM, BUT THE SECOND FLOOR SYSTEM.
WE ARE PUTTING IN A NEW STRUCTURAL STEEL SYSTEM TO HELP SUPPORT THE EXISTING WALLS.
WE'RE PUTTING A NEW ROOF FINALLY ON, THE ROOF ISSUE HAS BEEN ONGOING EVEN ONE GOODSELL OWNED THIS PROPERTY, AND HE WAS ISSUED A CITATION FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT WAS NEVER FOLLOWED UP ON.
WE'RE WORKING WITH JENNY AND JAMES.
THEY WANT TO ESSENTIALLY DO WHAT WE HAD DONE AT THE MARINA RESTAURANT BUILDING, RESTORING THE FACADE, AND THEN BASICALLY STARTING TO BE ABLE TO MARKET THAT BUILDING FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE BUILDOUT AND TENANT SPACE.
THE VERY LEAST WE'RE TRYING TO STOP ANY FURTHER DETERIORATION.
THEY HAVE RECEIVED FURTHER DETERIORATION.
OBVIOUSLY, WHEN IT RAINS INSIDE, IT DOESN'T DO WINDOWS ANY GOOD.
THE WINDOW ASSESSMENT IS RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF WHETHER YOU NEED TO REPLACE OR NOT.
WE UNDERSTAND YOUR GUIDELINES ARE ABOUT TRYING TO KEEP AS MUCH HISTORIC MATERIAL AS POSSIBLE.
THE OWNERS WOULD PREFER TO GO WITH NEW WINDOWS JUST TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE THE ISSUE ONCE AND FOR ALL.
BUT WE LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU AND YOUR GUIDELINES AS TO WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.
WE DID HAVE SOME REVISIONS, AS NOTED BEFORE.
WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
WE HAD ADDED A CENTER DOOR ON THE WEST SIDE.
THAT WAS GOING TO THE MAIN LOBBY AREA, WHICH IS RIGHT ON THAT SIDE.
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I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU REVISED DRAWINGS THAT INDICATE THE DOOR COMING BACK TO THAT LOCATION, WHICH HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AS PART OF THE WHEN WE DID THE FULL ADAPTIVE REUSE ON THAT PROJECT.I'M HERE TO PASS YOU THIS INFORMATION AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THE PROJECT.
>> IS THE NEW ROOF GOING IN THE NEW SYSTEM. IT'S A TPO?
>> THERE'S A FLAT ROOF BEHIND THE PARAPET NOW UP THERE.[OVERLAPPING]
>> WHAT'S LEFT OF A FLAT ROOF? YES. WE HAVE TO BASICALLY CREATE A WHOLE NEW STRUCTURE, NEW ROOF DECK, TPO, GOING TO ACTUAL DOWNSPOUTS SCUPPERS.
>> SCUPPERS AND DOWNSPOUTS WILL BE ON THEIR.
>> THEN DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERN THAT ONCE THERE IS SOME DEMO RELATED TO THE REPAIR OF IT, THAT WE MIGHT LOSE ANY WALLS OR PARTS OF THE BUILDING.
>> WE CAN'T MAKE ANY PROMISES.
IT'S GOING TO BE INCUMBENT ON THE CONTRACTOR TO DO APPROPRIATE SHORING.
WE MAY HAVE TO TALK TO THE CITY ABOUT HOW WE GO ABOUT SHORING IT BECAUSE IT'S ZERO LOT LINE.
WE'RE GOING TO DO MOST OF THE SHORING FROM THE INTERIOR, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO SUPPORT THOSE WALLS ON THE OUTSIDE.
THE SHORING HAS TO GO IN PLACE AS YOUR DEMOLING BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE FLOOR AND THE ROOF ARE HOLDING WALLS IN.
ONCE THOSE GO AWAY, IT'S MUCH MORE EXPOSED.
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY CHALLENGING TO PROCEED AND THEN INSTALLING THE NEW STEEL FRAME THAT THEN CONNECTS THE OLD BRICK WALLS TO THAT FRAME TO REINFORCE EVERYTHING.
>> YOU'RE BASICALLY PUTTING, LIKE A STEEL SKELETON ON THE INSIDE.
>> THEN DID I READ IN YOUR APPLICATION THAT YOU'RE ALSO REPARGING, OR RE-STAKING?
>> IN AN IDEAL SITUATION, BECAUSE IT'S A PORTLAND CEMENT DUCOTE THAT'S BEEN ON THERE SINCE THE 30S.
WE WOULD DO WHAT WE DID AT SAN MARINE, WHICH IS PEEL IT OFF AND PUT IN A LINE BASED.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET FOR THAT, PLUS WE'RE CONCERNED AS WE RAN INTO AT THE MARINE RESTAURANT, THAT ONCE YOU PEEL OUT THAT SKIN, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME BRICK WITH IT, WHICH WILL FURTHER POTENTIALLY LEAD TO STRUCTURE COLLAPSE IN CERTAIN AREAS.
BECAUSE, THE BRICK HAS BEEN SEALED UP ON THE OUTSIDE.
BUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS RETOUCH UP THAT EXISTING STUCCO, BUT REMOVE THE INTERIOR FINISHES BECAUSE THERE'S PANELING AND THAT HAVEN'T LET THAT BUILDING BREATHE IN.
>> YOU THINK IT CAN BREATHE FROM INSIDE?
>> WE'RE HOPING TO LET IT BREATHE FROM THE INSIDE UNTIL THE NEXT PHASE OF RENOVATION HAPPENS, AND THEN WE CAN DESIGN AN AIR CONDITIONING AND DEHUMIDIFICATION SYSTEM THAT WILL HELP ABSORB SOME OF THAT.
>> YES. I SAW ON THE STAFF ANALYSIS.
RIGHT NOW, YOUR PROPOSAL IS JUST REPLACE ALL THE WINDOWS.
THE WINDOWS SURVEY IS CALLING OUT LOOKS LIKE THREE CATEGORIES, SASH FRAME SILL, AND THE ASSIGNED A NUMBER TO HIM.
I WASN'T FULLY CLEAR ON WHAT NUMBER CONSTITUTES THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THE WHOLE WINDOW BE REPLACED VERSUS WHAT NUMBER MEANS WE CAN REPAIR THIS.
>> AGREED. SO I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION.
>> THAT'S LEADING INTO MY MAIN QUESTION WAS, IF WE SAY, YOU GOT TO REPAIR THE WINDOWS, BUT AT A CERTAIN POINT, YOU CAN REPLACE THEM.
HOW MANY ARE WE REPAIRING AND HOW MANY ARE WE REPLACING? WHICH ONES ARE WE REPAIRING AND WHICH ONES ARE WE REPLACING?
>> CAN I JUST ANSWER ONE THING THERE.
I HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS UNTIL I REALLY TOOK A DETAILED LOOK AT AUSTIN'S THING.
WHEN WE DID OUR WORKSHOP AND WE CAME UP WITH THIS CRITERIA, IT WAS CLASS FOUR IS TOTAL REPLACEMENT, AND ANYTHING ABOVE THAT OR BELOW THAT, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PHRASE IS EITHER ROUTINE MAINTENANCE STABILIZATION OR PARTIAL REPLACEMENT.
THE WAY HE DID IT WAS, HE BROKE IT DOWN INTO THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.
YOU MIGHT HAVE A SELL THAT NEEDS TOTAL REPLACEMENT BECAUSE IT'S GONE, BUT THEN THE SASHES CAN BE REPAIRED.
IT REALLY DOES GIVE A GOOD ROAD-MAP.
>> MOST OF THEM WERE EITHER TWOS OR THREES, IF I RECALL.
>> DIDN'T SEE ANY MAJOR FOUR CATEGORIES? YEAH, THEY'RE KEPT IN SELECT AREAS.[OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE'S THREE CLASS FOUR THAT ARE TOTAL TO REPLACE EITHER THEY'RE NOT EXISTING OR THEY'RE JUST TOO FAR GONE.
THEN THERE'S PARTS OF OTHERS THAT CAN BE REPAIRED.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I'M SO THANKFUL THAT THEY ARE RE-ADDRESSING THIS BUILDING AND THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH IT BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT AN IMPORTANT STRUCTURE THIS IS.
I THINK BECAUSE OF ITS PROMINENCE, THE WAY YOU'VE WORKED WITH YOUR CLIENTS ON RESTORING SOME WINDOWS LIKE AT THE TIGER ISLAND AND SOME OF THE OTHER STRUCTURES.
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WHATEVER CAN BE REPAIRED AND SAVED.IN MY MIND, ESPECIALLY ON THIS BUILDING HAS TO BE DONE.
IF THEY'RE SAYING THAT FOUR OF THEM ARE BEYOND WHAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE AS PART OF THE CONDITIONS, AND THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF A STAFF TALK THAT I WANT TO INVOLVE JOSE IS THAT THEY FOLLOW THIS, AND WE HAVE ENUMERATED, WHICH WINDOWS ARE BEING REPAIRED AND WHICH ARE BEING REPLACED.
THERE'S NO MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT SITUATIONS, WHERE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> I KNOW THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE INTO A WINDOW RESTORATION SITUATION, WE ARE GOING TO WANT TO GET PRICING INCLUDING AUSTIN, BUT OTHER PROVIDERS AS WELL BECAUSE.
>> BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FOUND WITH AUSTIN, THEY DO FANTASTIC WORK, BUT THERE'S A PRICE TO PAY FOR THAT WORK.
YOU CAN GET OTHER REALLY GOOD WINDOW RESTORATION COMPANIES THAT WILL DO THE SAME QUALITY, BUT AT A LOWER PRICE.
WE WILL BE SHOPPING THAT OBVIOUSLY AS PART OF OUR PROCESS MOVING FORWARD.
>> THAT'S GOOD, AND THEN ONE THING I WOULD BRING UP FOR MIA, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, AND THEN FOR JOSE, TO ON AUSTIN'S.
I THINK THEY DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB WITH, THEIR DETAIL OF EVERYTHING.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO READ THEIR CHICKENS, BUT THEY'RE NOT LABELING ELEVATIONS ARCHITECTURALLY CORRECT.
THEY'RE ALL REVERSED. THEY LABEL DIRECTION THEY'RE FACING.
THAT CAN BECOME BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, THE WEST SIDE DOESN'T HAVE THAT MANY BILLS NUMBERS.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHOEVER'S LOOKING AT THIS,
>> WE CORRECT IT, THEN WE CORRECT THE FLOW.
>> AS YOU KNOW, AS WE PROCEED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, IF YOUR ORDERS ARE TO RESTORE THE WINDOWS, OUR SCHEDULE WILL CALL OUT.
>> EVERY SINGLE WINDOW, WHETHER IT'S BEING RESTORED OR NOT OR WHETHER IT'S A NEW ONE RELEASED, WE'LL MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT.
>> YEAH, I THINK FROM WHAT I CAN SEE BY THE REPORT, THERE'S DEFINITELY THREE WINDOWS THAT ARE FOUR ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE THAT'S LIKE 3.5 ALL THE WAY.
THERE'S PROBABLY FOUR WINDOWS THAT I THINK I'D FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH SAYING CAN BE REPLACED.
THE REST OF THEM, THEY NEED TO BE REPAIRED, SLASH, RESTORED.
>> IN MY OPINION. FOR EXAMPLE, A FLOOR PLAN, YOU'RE SAYING, THAT CALLS OUT EXACTLY WHICH ONES ARE BEING MAINTAINED AND WHICH ONES ARE GOING TO BE REPLACED SO THAT THERE'S NO MIX UP.
>> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING THEY HAVE TO BRING BACK BEFORE THEY GET THE FINAL APPROVAL ON THIS?
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD.
>> YOU CAN SUBMIT TO STAFF AND JUST SAY HERE'S THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS.
>> SOMETHING THAT'S A BIT MORE CLEARER THAN THE COMPUTER.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT. I HEAR YOU.
WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THE DOTS REAL CLOSE TOGETHER, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO TO COME BACK WHEN THOSE DRAWINGS ARE DONE.
I KNOW THAT TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
I KNOW THINGS HAVE NOT MOVED AS QUICKLY AS WE WOULD HAVE LIKED, AND THAT BUILDING HAS TAKEN THE PROMPT OF WEATHER.
>> LAST QUESTION FOR JOSE, THE VARIANCE THAT WE APPROVED ON THE SIGN ON THE BACK.
IF YOU RECALL, I'M SURE YOU DO.
ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WAS THE COLORS.
>> THE COLORS NEED TO BE CARRIED THROUGH SO IT'S THAT FIREBREAK BACK OR WANT TO CALL IT BURGUNDY OR MALE OR SOMETHING? [LAUGHTER].
>> SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE PC FOR GENDER-WISE [LAUGHTER].
>> LETTERS ARE THE SAME. SO ALL OF THAT STILL CARRIES THROUGH.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? YES.
>> I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T ASK.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN THIS PROJECT, AND POTENTIALLY THE ONE WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED MIGHT HAPPEN.
>> THIS PROJECT, WE ARE SCHEDULED TO BE DONE WITH CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS IN OCTOBER.
WE'RE WORKING WITH RPC CONTRACTING TO PRICE IT AS WE'RE GOING ALONG, TAKING THEIR SUGGESTIONS AS WELL.
INITIALLY, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD DO THE ELEVATOR CORE AND THE STAIR GOING UP, BUT THAT SEEMED PREMATURE OF EXPENDITURE OF MONEY, WHERE IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO A ROOF HATCH SO THAT YOU CAN GET UP TO THE ROOF.
THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW PEOPLE THE POTENTIAL OF THIS BUILDING.
RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN'T DO THAT, UNLESS YOU WANT TO WEAR A HARD HEAD AND SIGN A WAIVER.
I, AND JIM, YOU'VE LOOKED INSIDE.
I KNOW MIA HAS WALKED INSIDE AS WELL.
WE HAD ACTUALLY CONSIDERED DOING THE WINDOW ASSESSMENT OURSELVES, AND I SAID, NO, I'M NOT GOING UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
YOU DON'T NEED A 330 POUND PUO RICAN UP THERE, LOW TESTING THE HOLES IN THAT SYSTEM.
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AUSTIN DID A GREAT JOB AND THEY PUT THE DOTS REAL CLOSE TOGETHER.TIMELINE, THEY'VE GOT A BUDGET NOW THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.
ONCE WE GET THAT PRICING, THEY WANT TO GET MOVING ON THIS QUICKLY BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THE BUILDING IS IN DANGER.
OUR CONDITION REPORT WAS 50-50 AS TO WHETHER THIS NEEDED TO BE DONE OR NOT.
WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING IS GOING TO SAVE THE SHELL.
>> THAT'S THE REASON FOR MY QUESTION, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, IT SEEMS LIKE TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
>> WE APPROVED THIS THING IN NOVEMBER 22, AND HERE WE ARE ALMOST ALMOST THREE YEARS LATER, AND NOTHING'S HAPPENED TO THE BUILDING YET, EXCEPT IT'S GOTTEN WORSE.
>> ACTUALLY IT HAS BEEN DEPLORABLE.
>> ALL OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO HELP INSTRUMENT.
>> IT'S GOT A LOT MORE PROMINENT VISIBILITY ENOUGH.
LATA STREET AND NOW THE NOR SECOND STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
>> WELL, THOSE THINGS WERE ONLY ASKED FOR STARTING IN 2010 [LAUGHTER].
AT THE PACE OF A SNAIL, WE HAVE GOTTEN HERE, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO RUN REAL FAST TO FINISH.
>> YES. IT'S IMPERATIVE BECAUSE IF WE QUITE HONESTLY, WE LET THIS BUILDING GO FOR ANOTHER HURRICANE SEASON OR TWO, THERE'S NO WAY.
I JUST DON'T SEE THAT BEING ABLE TO SURVIVE, AND THEN IT BECOMES A DANGER TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE AROUND WHEN THAT THING GOES DOWN.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MR. MIRANDA.
>> LET ME SUBMIT THESE REVISES.
YOU'LL GET THESE AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS ANYWAY, BUT THIS JUST SHOWS THE NEW DOOR WINDOW THAT WE'RE ADDING, ESPECIALLY THE ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE, WHICH JUST THE PRESS FROM TODAY.
>> WHAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN AGREED WITH THAT LAST TIME
>> IF YOU AN ELEVATION DRAWING LIKE THIS WITH THE NUMBERS CALLED OUT ON THE WINDOWS.
>> JOSE, ARE YOU DOING ANYTHING LIKE FLOOD ABATEMENT.
>> NOT AT THIS TIME. THE HEAVY LIFT IS GOING TO BE THE FLOOD ABATE BECAUSE IT'S ALL GOING TO BE TIED WITH WHATEVER ADDITIONS ARE DONE ON THE OUTSIDE.
WE'RE WAITING ON THAT PIECE BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE FLOOD ZONE, AND WE'RE FOUR FEET BELOW THE FLOOD LINE, SO IT'S A CHALLENGE.
>> THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES ANYONE IN CHAMBERS HAVE ANY COMMENT TO MAKE ABOUT THIS PROJECT OR QUESTIONS TO ASK? SEEING NONE. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY DISCUSSION POINTS HERE? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED?
>> WELL, I'LL PITCH OUT WHAT I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD MOTION WOULD BE TO SAY APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONTINGENCIES THAT FROM WHAT I CAN SEE FROM THE REPORT THE WINDOWS 21, 22, 23 AND 24 ARE THE CANDIDATES FOR BEING REPLACED.
THAT ALL THE OTHER ONES NEED TO BE REPAIRED, REFURBISHED, RENOVATED.
I WOULD SAY LET'S PUT A CONDITION THAT STAFF BE PROVIDED WITH PLANS THAT CALL OUT SPECIFICALLY WHICH WINDOWS ARE TO BE REMOVED AND WHICH ARE TO BE REPAIRED.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> I'LL DO THE MOTION WITH THOSE.
I MOVED TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2022-0072 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT STAFF BE PROVIDED WITH DETAILED ELEVATIONS AND FLOOR PLANS THAT SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT WINDOWS FROM THE WINDOW SURVEY NUMBER 21, 22, 23 AND 24.
CAN BE REPLACED WITH THE MARVIN ULTIMATE WINDOW, AND THAT ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS ARE TO BE REPAIRED/REFURBISHED.
I MOVE THAT HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD, THAT HDC CASE 2022-0072, AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
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PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.>> JOSE, PLEASE PASS ON OUR APPRECIATION TO YOUR CUSTOMER ON THIS FOR TAKING ON A REALLY SPECIAL BUILDING.
>> I'M SO SURE THEY ACCEPTED IT [LAUGHTER].
>> I SAID OUR APPRECIATION [LAUGHTER].
THANK YOU. BY THE WAY, BEFORE YOU CAN'T LEAVE.
BUT WHAT'S THE STATUS WITH THE DE BUILDING? ON CEDAR STREET. CAN YOU GIVE US ANY UPDATES ON THAT?
>> THE FIRST DEAL OR OFFER FELL THROUGH, SO IT'S BEING RE-MARKETED.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING SINCE.
>> YES. IT WAS POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE A RESTAURANT, STEAKHOUSE? I GUESS THE DOLLARS DIDN'T WORK.
I HAVE NO IDEA. I DON'T KNOW ANY MORE DETAILS IN THAT.
BEFORE I GO TO THE NEXT CASE, I HAVE THESE REQUESTS TO SPEAK, BUT IT'S NOT YET ON THE AGENDA, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT WITH MR. LORIS.
>> I'LL WAIT UNTIL TO THE END FOR PUBLIC ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
>> BECAUSE I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WROTE HERE.
[4.2 HDC 2024-0004 - BUILT TO LAST CONSTRUCTION, AGENT FOR JAMES + KATHERINE GALLI, 501 CEDAR STREET]
>> YES. THIS IS HTC CASE 2024-0004.
THIS IS AN AFTER THE FACT AMENDMENT TO PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TOA FOR A RENOVATION OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AT 501 CEDAR STREET.
THE APPLICATION AT HAND IN REGARDS TO THE FRONT STEPS.
IN THE APPROVED PLANS, THEY WERE DESCRIBED TO BE REMAINING ON THE RENOVATION.
A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION, I NOTICED THAT THEY HAD BEEN REPLACED WITH WOODEN STEPS, SO THE PROCESS HERE IS FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK FOR AND AFTER THE FACT AMENDMENT TO PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DOA.
THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION AND ON THE RIGHT IS WE'RE ON THE ELEVATION.
THIS ALONG WITH MULTIPLE PLACES ON THE LAND.
THE STEP FORWARD TRIED TO REMAIN THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.
ON THIS SLIDE, ON THE TOP PHOTO, I HAVE THE ORIGINAL BRICK STEPS OF THE BUILDING AND THE REPLACEMENT TEST, SORRY ABOUT THE RESOLUTION ON THE BOTTOM, BUT THEY'RE WOODEN.
I LOOKED AT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND A SECTION OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINE SAYS THAT BRICK MORTAR AND WROUGHT IRON SETS ARE NOT RECOMMENDED FOR WOODEN PORCHES.
LOOKING BACK AT THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION, THIS ASPECT OF THE PLAN PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
BUT SINCE IT WAS AFTER THE FACT AMENDMENT, THE APPLICANT WAS REQUIRED TO COME BACK AND PRESENT THIS CHANGE TO HTC TODAY.
THAT IS RECOMMENDING FINAL APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS SADLER? WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE.
>> ROB SIKOWSKI BUILT TO LAST CONSTRUCTION 710 BEACH STREET.
AS YOU CAN SEE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE HANDLED BETWEEN MIKE AND MYSELF.
GOING BY THE OLD CONCRETE WALKWAY GOING UP TO THE BRICK.
WE HAVE THE FIRST RISE IS ABOUT 4.5 ".
NEXT TWO OR SIX, THE FINAL ONE WAS EIGHT AND THAT WAS BEFORE WE STRAIGHTENED OUT THE PORCH.
THAT'S WHEN THE PORCH LOOKED LIKE THAT.
I ALWAYS CONSIDERED A FOREGONE CONCLUSION.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHY WE LEFT THEM.
IT OBVIOUSLY WASN'T ORIGINAL, AS STAFF SAYS, ORIGINALLY, THESE PROBABLY ALL HAD WOODEN PORCHES OR WOODEN STEPS.
I EVEN REMEMBER CHRIS NELSON GETTING TURNED DOWN FOR WANTING TO RIP DOWN WOODEN STAIRS TO REPLACE THEM WITH BRICK.
AGAIN, I THOUGHT IT WAS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION.
MEMBER OF BTL HAD APPROACHED STAFF AT ONE POINT AND WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE STAFF APPROVAL.
CONSTRUCTION BEING WHAT IT IS.
THE CONSTRUCTION GOT AHEAD OF ITSELF.
PAPERWORK WAS SUBMITTED, AND WE WERE TOLD NO, IT'S A BOARD APPROVAL AND BY THAT TIME THE STAIRS WERE NOT THERE.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SIKOWSKI?
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
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>> WE WERE OUT OF CODE IN THE FIRST PLACE, PART OF BUILDING CODE.
THAT WAS JUST MISSED ON THE DRAWING.
BUT WITH THE OLD SUNKEN CONCRETE WALKWAY, WE HAD 4.5 ".
>> NOT EVEN THAT PROCESS. I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THE RISERS, AND I'M ALREADY ADDING UP IN MY HEAD THAT NONE OF THOSE ARE EQUAL, EXCEPT THE SECOND TWO.
THE PROCESS I'M REFERRING TO IS THAT YOU GOT APPROVAL TO TAKE IT DOWN.
>> WE WERE TOLD IT WAS STAFF APPROVAL, AND SO THEN YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE WORKED ALONG THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE OKAY TO TAKE DOWN THE STEPS BECAUSE IT WAS STAFF APPROVAL AND WE HAD SPOKEN TO STAFF.
A MEMBER OF BTL HAD SPOKEN TO A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
>> YOU WERE OPERATING UNDER THAT ASSUMPTION, AND THEN MIA WAS THE ONE THAT SAW THAT THEY WERE REMOVED.
WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? SHE SAID, NO, THAT SHOULD BE A BOARD.
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
>> I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW WE REVIEW THINGS THAT ARE THERE.
HAD THIS COME TO US, AND WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE, IN THIS CASE, SHOWN THAT THEY WERE NOT ORIGINAL UNLIKE FERRERAS, WHEN YOU DID TONY'S PLACE.
REMEMBER, WHEN THEY WANTED TO KNOCK DOWN ALL THE PLANNERS AND EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW, THESE ARE STILL THERE AND WE MADE THOSE STAY.
WITH LESS SCRUPULOUS PEOPLE, I ALWAYS GET NERVOUS THAT IT'S THE DEMISE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BY 1,000 SMALL DEMOS.
THEN THEY BECOME AFTER THE FACT, AND IT DOESN'T FOLLOW THE PROCESS.
THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY ROB HIS SITUATION.
THIS TO ME IS MORE OF A PROCEDURAL SITUATION THAT OCCURRED.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I WILL ADD IS WHOEVER FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION, THEY PUT THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE IN THERE FOR THE RISER HEIGHTS.
THAT'S FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THE FLORIDA EXISTING BUILDING, C501.5, THERE'S A HISTORIC EXEMPTION SO MOVING FORWARD, THAT REALLY DOESN'T APPLY.
>> WOULD WE HAVE GONE THEN, WOULD WE HAVE PASSED?
>> IF WE HAD 4.5, SIX, SIX AND NINE.
>> YOU HAVE TO AS LONG AS YOU NOTIFY YOU HAVE A REGISTERED DESIGN PROFESSIONAL.
SO MIKE COULD HAVE SAID, THESE WERE EXISTING, THESE WERE HERE, AND YOU JUST NOTIFY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
>> I HAVE TO INFORM MY BUILDING INSPECTOR BECAUSE MY BUILDING INSPECTOR IS ALWAYS MEASURING WHETHER THEY'RE EXISTING OR WHETHER THEY'RE NEW.
>> THAT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR A HISTORY, AND IT'S C501.5.
BUT IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE IN YOUR BACK POCKET.
>> BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS NOT A FAN OF HISTORIC EXEMPTION.
>> WE WON'T GO INTO THAT CONVERSATION.
>> I THROW MYSELF ON THE MERCY OF THE COURT.
>> I DON'T THINK WE WOULD EVEN BE HERE TODAY, THOUGH.
AFTER YOUR WHOEVER'S CONVERSATION WITH WHOEVER IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, YOU HAD ACTUALLY TURNED A REQUEST IN TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND GOT THEIR APPROVAL IN WRITING.
WE WOULDN'T BE HERE. HOWEVER, I THINK IF YOU HAD GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND IT CAME BEFORE OUR BOARD, I THINK WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE APPROVED THE WOODEN STEPS AS YOU HAVE THEM MADE BECAUSE OUR RULES ACTUALLY SAY FOR A WOOD PORCH, WOOD STEPS.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A NO BRAINER.
I THINK IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCE TODAY IS ALL.
>> WE'RE CERTAIN THAT THOSE BRICK STEPS WERE NOT ORIGINAL.
>> BECAUSE WHAT I COULD SEE HAPPENING THERE, IT'S A MODEST LITTLE HOME BUILT IN 1900.
SOMEBODY COULD HAVE HAD A BUNCH OF BRICKS LAYING AROUND AND SAID, LET'S LOOK RICHER THAN WE ARE.
>> IN MY EXPERIENCE, EVERY ONE OF THESE HEAD WOODEN STEPS, AND THEY ALL ROTTED OFF, AND PEOPLE SAID, NO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
>> IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE. THE MORTAR WAS PRETTY GOOD.
>> WHICH TELLS YOU RIGHT THERE.
>> IT WAS HISTORICAL JUST BROKEN RIGHT.
>> THE MORTAR HOLDING UP 710 BIG STREET YOU WON'T EVEN GET INTO THAT.
>> I THINK MY CONCERN IS ALSO WITH THE PROCESS THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED HERE THAT BROKE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE FIXED THAT PROCESS. THAT SO?
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>> I THINK IF IT'S NOT IN WRITING, IT DOESN'T EXIST.
>> THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET BEEFED UP IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
YOU'RE AWARE NOW THAT PERHAPS IF WE HAD OUR DRUTHERS, WE'D HAVE SAID NO, BUT WE MIGHT HAVE SAID YES.
THE ISSUE IS, IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DOCUMENTED, SO THAT ANYBODY HERE WHO WANTS TO LOOK AT THAT HAS A TRAIL OF THE DECISIONS AND THE AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
>> IF THIS HAD COME TO US, WE WOULD HAVE PUT YOU THROUGH THE RINGER, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE DONE THAT IN ADVANCE.
YOU WOULD HAVE BROUGHT EVIDENCE THAT SHOWED THAT EITHER THE MORTAR WAS AN END TYPE OR SOMETHING THAT THEY USED MORE, CONTEMPORARILY, OR IT WASN'T ORIGINAL.
THEN WE HAVE A PAPER TRAIL THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHY THESE WERE ALLOWED TO BE REMOVED, NOT JUST IN OOPS AFTER THE FACT, AND WE APPROVED IT.
>> THAT WE CAN THEN GO, TO THE NEXT APPLICANT AND SAY, THIS IS PROOF THAT'S [OVERLAPPING] OUR PROCESS.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY COMMENTS TO BE MADE ON THIS PROJECT OR QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED? SEEING NONE. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER BOARD DISCUSSION?
>> ANYBODY? IS THERE PENALTIES WHEN THIS KIND OF THING HAPPENS LIKE MONETARILY PENALTIES? WE KNOW IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN?
>> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IN A NORMAL SITUATION WHEN AND IF THIS HAD HAPPENED IN A NORMAL SITUATION WITHOUT THE DISCUSSION THAT TRANSPIRED WITH STAFF THAT ISN'T DOCUMENTED, THAT THERE IS A PUNITIVE FEE TO COME BACK HERE TO DO AND AFTER THE FACT.
IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING AFTER DISCUSSION WITH OUR CITY MANAGER THAT DUE TO A TRANSITION ISSUE THAT WAS GOING ON AMONG STAFF, SHE CHOSE TO WAIVE THIS ONE.
I HAVE ASKED, AND MAYBE, MARGARET, SINCE YOU'RE HERE, YOU CAN I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOUR OWN SPOT.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER PENDING THINGS LIKE THIS THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE OF TRANSITION AND STAFF THAT MIGHT BE BACK HERE IN FRONT OF US AGAIN.
>> NO, I'M JUST SAYING WE WILL LET YOU KNOW.
>> PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY OTHERS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT US TO BE FORGIVEN AFTER THE FACT?
>> CORRECT. JUST FOR INFORMATION, A FIRST REVISION ALWAYS CAN COME BACK WITHOUT A FEE, BUT NOT AFTER THE FACT.
>> ONE REVISION IS ALREADY HIGH.
THAT WAS PART OF INVOLVED IN THE DECISION MAKING AS WELL FOR THE FUTURE.
>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? DO I HEAR A MOTION?
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2024-0004 WITHOUT CONDITIONS, AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD.
IS THAT THE RIGHT NUMBER? THIS IS THAT THE AMENDMENT TO THE CASE.
IT'S AFTER THE FACT CONSIDERED AN AMENDMENT?
>> THAT THE AMENDMENT TO HDC CASE, 2024-004, AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> THE MOTION AND A SECOND, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
[4.3 HDC 2025-0015 - AMELIA ISLAND PIRATE VOYAGES, 1 N. FRONT STREET]
>> THIS IS HDC 2025-0021 I THINK AM CONFUSED ON THE NUMBER [OVERLAPPING].
>> YES, IT IS. SORRY. I JUMPED THE GUN.
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>> I'M FINE. FOR AN APPLICANT RETURNING FROM THE AUGUST MEETING TO PLACE A TICKET BOOTH AT ONE NORTH FRONT STREET.
THIS WOULD BE A TICKET BOOTH, A TEMPORARY TICKET OFFICE TO SUPPORT AMELIA PYRE VOYAGE BUSINESS.
WHEN THEY WERE HERE IN AUGUST, THE BOARD HAD SENT THEM BACK TO REVISE THEIR DESIGN TO MIRROR THAT OF THE AMELIA RIVER CRUISE.
THIS IS THEIR NEW DESIGN THAT I BELIEVE IS CONGRUENT WITH THE EXISTING TICKET BOOK.
THE APPLICANT HAS LET ME KNOW THAT THE BUILDING PLANS ARE NOT AVAILABLE FOR THE UNIT UNTIL AFTER PURCHASE.
BUT I HAVE SPOKE WITH MEMBER PASETA ON AN IDEA TO GET AROUND THIS A LITTLE BIT TO INVITE AN ARCHITECT ON THE BOARD TO REVIEW THE BUILDING PLAN WITH ME ONCE THEIR PERMIT IS SUBMITTED TO MAKE SURE IT REFLECTS WHAT THE BOARD APPROVED HERE TODAY.
SOME OTHER DISCUSSION OF THE BOARD IN AUGUST WAS IN REGARD TO THE TEMPORARY USE AND AS WELL AS THE ELECTRICITY OR AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE CITY AND I ASSURED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER THAT THAT WILL BE WORKED OUT IN THE LEASE CONTRACT WITH THE CITY COMMISSION, AND THAT HDC DID NOT NEED TO REVIEW THOSE ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN, BUT I THANK THEM FOR BRINGING IT UP, AND THAT WILL BE LEFT UP TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
BASED ON THIS NEW DESIGN AND THE INCLUSION OF THE SIGNAGE, I RECOMMEND FINAL APPROVAL OF THIS CASE.
>> MIA, DID WE HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE WORD TEMPORARY, HOW LONG THAT OR WERE WE GOING TO HAVE THEM COME BACK IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME AND WE RE-REVIEW IT? WHAT WAS THAT, 180 DAYS?
>> I THINK ONE OF THE POINTS THAT WAS MADE IN THE STAFF REPORT IS THERE WILL BE A LEASE FOR THIS.
THIS PROJECT, EVEN IF YOU APPROVE IT, WILL NOT BE ALLOWED UNTIL THE COMMISSION APPROVES A LEASE.
IT WILL ADDRESS THE COMMISSION WILL THEN DETERMINE THE TIME FRAME THAT IT IS THERE, PURSUANT TO THE LEASE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WOULDN'T SEE A REASON TO BRING IT BACK HERE. BASED ON THAT?
>> DOESN'T IT LOOK SO MUCH BETTER?
>> IT DOES, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES, SIR. COME ON PLEASE. SEE.
>> ERIC ANDERSON 96314 GLENWOOD ROAD.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ANDERSON?
>> I WOULD BUY IT IF YOU WERE TO SELL IT.
>> IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WINDOW ADDRESSES WE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT ACCESS.
>> IT'S AT THE APPROPRIATE HEIGHT.
TYPICALLY, WE WOULD KICK THIS BACK BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE BUILDING PLANS ATTACHED TO IT, BUT I THINK TWO THINGS, BECAUSE IT'S A TEMPORARY SITUATION.
BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED ALL OF OUR CONCERNS, AND YOU HAVE TO GET OUR APPROVAL BEFORE YOU GET THE PLANS, AND BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT CONDITION ATTACHED THAT AN ARCHITECT WILL REVIEW WHATEVER YOU SUBMIT TO STAFF.
THAT'S WHY WE WOULD ALLOW THIS BECAUSE WE'VE KICKED OTHER PEOPLE BACK WHEN, THEY JUST SHOW US A DRAWING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL PLANS TO LOOK AT.
>> THE BUILDINGS ARE QUITE EXPENSIVE, AND THEY [OVERLAPPING] OBVIOUSLY, THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU THE PLANS TO BUILD ON YOUR OWN.
>> WE HAVE SENT PEOPLE BACK IN THE PAST, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO ENGAGE THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WHO HAVE THE EXPERTISE NECESSARY TO REVIEW IN THE CASE OF THIS CHANGING PROCESS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN AND TO COME BACK.
YOU CAN TELL MR. POYNTER HE CAN STOP YELLING AT ME.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?
>> I THINK WE JUST NEED TO MAKE IN THE MOTION THAT CONDITION NEEDS TO BE SAID IN THE MOTION.
>> I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT? QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC 2025-0015 WITH THE CONDITION THAT
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THE OWNER PROVIDE DETAILED ARCHITECTURAL PLANS TO STAFF FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THAT THE DRAWING SUPPORT THE IMAGES WERE BEING SHOWN HERE WITH THE DETAILING.I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD, THAT HDC CASE HDC 2025-0015 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> YOU HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
[5.1 HDC 2025-0019 - BILLY ROLAND, 126 S. 6TH STREET]
THANK YOU, SIR FOR BEING HERE.>> THIS IS HDC CASE 2025-0019.
THE APPLICANT IS FROM 126 SOUTH SIXTH STREET.
MR. ROWLAND MET WITH ME DURING THE PRE-MEETING AND SHOWED ME SOME PICTURES OF THE CHIMNEY AND STATED THAT A COUPLE OF PROFESSIONALS HAD BEEN AT HIS HOME THAT RECOMMENDED THAT THE CHIMNEYS WERE NOT ELIGIBLE OR THE OTHER PROCESS WOULD BE TO DECONSTRUCT THEM AND RECONSTRUCT THEM, AND YOU WISHED TO PUT IN AN APPLICATION TO THE HDC FOR COMPLETE DEMOLITION OF THE CHIMNEYS.
IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, THERE WAS A GOOGLE DRIVE LINK TO MULTIPLE DRONE PHOTOS OF EACH CHIMNEY, INCLUDING THE ROOF OF 126 SOUTH SIXTH STREET AND A NEIGHBORING COTTAGE THAT HAD THEIR CHIMNEYS REMOVED.
I ALSO INCLUDED THE STAFF REPORT FROM 2017 FOR THE REHABILITATION OF THIS BUILDING, JUST FOR SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION, AND HISTORICAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE COTTAGE AND ABOUT THE REHABILITATION PROCESS.
FOR THAT APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT HAD REQUESTED THAT ONE OF THE CHIMNEYS BE REMOVED THEN, AND THE FORMER HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNER APPROVED THE APPLICATION WITH THE CONDITION THAT BOTH OF THE CHIMNEYS REMAIN AS THEY ARE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES, TO THE CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE? MY STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ALIGNED WITH THAT.
THIS SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE REMOVAL OF CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES ON ROOFS, ESPECIALLY CHIMNEYS.
OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES DO NOT RECOMMEND THE REMOVAL OF CHIMNEYS ON THE EXTERIOR.
THEY DO ALLOW FOR THE INTERIOR S CHIMNEYS TO BE REMOVED.
AS WELL AS THAT REPORT, SO STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THIS CASE.
I'VE LOOKED IT UP HERE, THE THREE SOURCES THAT I'VE USED FOR THAT.
I CAN RECOMMEND DEMOLITION AND RECONSTRUCTION OF THE CHIMNEYS TO BE RETAINED REPAIRED OR STORED AND FUNCTIONAL FOR THE ROOF OR JUST REPAIRING THE CHIMNEYS CANNOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE CHIMNEYS.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS SADLER? THE APPLICANT HERE? SIR.
>> MR. ROWLAND, WERE YOU SWORN IN?
>> I WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE. RIGHT IN FRONT OF JOSE AND EVERYBODY.
>> WELL, YOU MANAGED TO SNEAK PAST SYLV.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR PHIL COLE. I APPRECIATE IT.
BEFORE I GET STARTED ON MY PROJECT, I'D LIKE TO COMMEND JOSE AND HIS STAFF ON THE STANDARD MARINE BUILDING.
MY FAMILY HAS A LONG HISTORY WITH THE STANDARD MARINE COMPANY.
MY DAD WORKED FOR THEM FOR ALMOST 50 PLUS YEARS.
PLUS, AS A YOUNGSTER, I USED TO DIP NETS OUT BACK AT THE STANDARD MARINE CENTER.
IT HAS A LOT OF HISTORY WITH MYSELF AND FAMILY, AND I APPRECIATE ALL GOING DO.
I KNOW JOSE WILL DO A GREAT JOB FOR THAT.
GETTING TO MY CURRENT PROJECT BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE MY DAUGHTER LIVES, WE REHABILITATED THAT HOUSE OF COURSE, STARTING IN 2017 WITH THE GUIDANCE OF JOHN COTNER AND HIS STAFF.
COULD YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE?
>> GREG ROWLAND, 126 SOUTH SIX.
PROPERTY OWNER. I LIVE AT SOUTH 7TH AND CEDAR, 302 SOUTH 7TH STREET.
WE'VE BEEN IN HISTORIC DISTRICT 30 PLUS YEARS.
WE'VE RENOVATED OUR HOME AT 7TH AND CEDAR, OUR 1887 FROM THE GROUND UP, AND WE'VE RENOVATED EVERY WINDOW AND THAT HOUSE.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT BEHIND THAT.
WE WENT TO A GREAT EXTENT ON BOTH HOUSES BY GOING TO FRAZIER MILLWORKS,
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AND REMILLING DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE PORCHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THE HISTORIC VALUE OF EACH AND EVERY PART OF EACH HOUSE.
THAT'S WHY IT TOOK ME SEVERAL WEEKS AFTER DYLAN WENT TO THE HOUSE AND SAID, "YOU GOT A PROBLEM." HE WASN'T KIDDING.
WE HAVE A SEVERE PROBLEM THAT WE'VE GOT TO SOLVE.
HE GOT A BRICK MASON OVER. HE LOOKED AT IT.
PRICE WAS $30,000 JUST FOR THE CHIMNEYS.
I DO UNDERSTAND THAT FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS ARE NOT ONE THAT YOU CAN JUST GO ON. I GET IT.
I'VE READ IT, BEEN PART OF IT. UNDERSTAND IT.
BUT THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE REDOING THE ROOF AT ALL.
THAT WAS 30,000 OUT OF THE BOX.
I SAID, "WELL, THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT." BRICK MASONS, YOU CAN FIND THEM.
IF YOU GUYS NEED A BRICK MASON, THEY'RE VERY HARD TO FIND.
I FINALLY GOT ANOTHER ONE OUT OF JACKSONVILLE.
THAT STILL DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO THE ROOF PENETRATIONS THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE SOMETHING DONE ABOUT.
I CONTACTED JOSE. I SAID, "JOSE, I NEED SOME HELP ON THIS ONE.
I'M STUCK. I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO." HE CAME OVER.
FIRST AS A POTENTIAL CLIENT, THEN HE SAID, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED ANY ADVICE ON THIS OTHER THAN JUST ASK IF YOU CAN TAKE THEM DOWN TO PRESERVE THE HOUSE. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.
WE'VE GOT TWO ROOFING CONTRACTORS THAT CAME IN AND GAVE US BOTH BIDS THAT WOULD REPAIR THE ROOF, REPAIR THE PENETRATIONS, TAKE DOWN THE CHIMNEYS FOR LESS THAN $15,000.
WE'RE ALL IN FOR A 30 YEAR ROOF THAT PRESERVES THIS HOUSE.
THAT'S OUR MAIN GOAL IS WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE HOUSE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
IF SOMEBODY HAS THE MEANS AND WANTS TO PUT THE CHIMNEY BACK, WE'VE GIVEN THE PICTURES HANDED THEM OVER TO MIA.
SHE HAS THEM AL, L SO THEY CAN COME BACK AND BE REUSED FOR DOCUMENTATION.
WE'LL GIVE THEM TO THE MUSEUM WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
AT THIS POINT, WATER IS GETTING INTO THE HOUSE.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT SOME DAMAGE TO THE HEART PINE FLOORS FROM THE WATER COMING INTO THE HOUSE.
WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, NOT QUITE AS DIRE AS STANDARD MARINE, BUT WE NEED TO STOP THE DEGRADATION INSIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. TO ASK YOUR PERMISSION, I UNDERSTAND THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF THOSE CHIMNEYS. I REALLY DO.
IF THERE WAS ANOTHER WAY, ANOTHER METHOD TO THE MADNESS, THEN WE WOULD DO IT.
I WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. WE'D ASKED FOR PERMISSION TO FIX THEM UP.
THAT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE DOING IN OUR STATE RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHY I'M HERE IS TO ASK YOU GUYS TO LET ME TAKE THEM DOWN, REPAIR THE ROOF, AND THEN IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BRING THEM BACK, THEY CAN.
WE SAVED THE INTERIOR OF THE CHIMNEYS ON THE FIRST GO AROUND BASED ON SAL RECOMMENDATION, WE SAVED EVERYTHING IN THERE.
BUT THIS POINT ABOVE THE ROOF LINE IS JUST NOT DOABLE FOR US.
SOMEBODY ELSE MAY HAVE THE MONEY AND THE MEANS TO DO IT, WE DON'T.
WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A ROOFING CONTRACTOR.
IF YOU GIVE US PERMISSION TO DO IT, WE CAN START WITHIN A WEEK TO GET THINGS DONE, ENDING PERMITTING, TILL HOW LONG THAT TAKES.
BUT WE'RE READY TO GO WITH A ROOFING CONTRACTOR.
THEY'RE WAITING FOR US TO CALL.
THE IDEA IS TO SAVE THE BRICKS ONCE THEY TAKE THEM DOWN, IF THEY ARE SALVAGEABLE.
PUT THEM IN THE YARD AND SOMEBODY CAN USE THEM AFTER US OR WE CAN MAKE A PATIO, WHATEVER.
WE HAVEN'T THROWN MUCH AWAY FROM OUR 7TH STREET HOUSE.
WE'RE PRONE TO KEEP THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IS I'M ASKING YOU FOR YOUR HELP TO LET US DO THIS.
I UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF PRESERVATION.
WE WOULDN'T BE AN HISTORIC DISTRICT IF WE DIDN'T.
WE'VE SPENT OUR LIFE SAVINGS IN BOTH THOSE HOUSES.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. 2 1/2 THREE-STOREY 1887, AND THIS IS AN EGMOND HOUSE, A GOLDEN OLDIE.
>> IT IS. IT IS THE TWO-STOREY ON 7TH STREET, AND THE THREE SINGLE STORY COTTAGES ON 6TH STREET ARE PART OF THE EGMOND PROPERTY AND THE REBUILDS, AND IF YOU GOT UP UNDER THE HOUSE AND THEN THE ROOF, YOU WOULD SEE THAT TRUSS REALLY DOESN'T MATCH UP VERY WELL, IT WAS LIKE A JIGSAW PUZZLE BACK IN THE DAY.
IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO GO THROUGH AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND AND SEE HOW THEY PUT IT TOGETHER.
THEY WERE MASTER CARPENTERS, WHOEVER DID IT.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT HOUSE IS FROM THE EGMOND HOTEL?
>> EVERYTHING, THE CHIMNEYS, AS WELL?
WE PRESUME THAT ALL THAT MATERIAL CAME FROM EGMOND, ALL OF SEVEN OF THOSE HOUSES.
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ALL OF US HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF EGMOND, THAT WAS A LOT OF LUMBER AND FIREPLACES IN THERE.>> YOU CAN TELL THAT THE MORTAR MIX OR WHATEVER THEY USE FOR THE BRICKS IS ALMOST PURE SAND.
IT'S REALLY ALMOST COMING APART.
IF IF YOU TOUCH ONE OF IT, IT REALLY FALLS APART.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY MAKE IT OUT OF THESE DAYS, BUT IT'S MUCH MORE STOUT THAN WHAT WE HAVE UP THERE NOW.
>> ON THE INTERIOR, DO YOU HAVE TWO EXPOSED FIREPLACES?
>> ONE'S EXPOSED. JUST TO GIVE YOU A LAY OF THE LAND IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE HOUSE, THERE WERE TWO ROOMS. IT'S TYPICAL FOUR SQUARE, CENTRAL HALLWAY, TWO ROOMS ON EACH SIDE OF THE CENTRAL HALLWAY.
WE IN THE DESIGN OF WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH THE HOUSE, THAT HOUSE IS ALMOST ONE IN THE STORY LIKE THE OTHER TWO.
THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE UPPER STORY, JUST OPEN AIR.
WITH THE HELP OF THE ARCHITECT, WE DESIGNED ADDITION ALMOST 600 SQUARE FEET WITH THE STAIRCASE GOING UP THE MIDDLE THAT WAS DESIGNED.
WE TOOK OUT THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THE WALL, AND THE INTERIOR WALL KEPT THE WHOLE FIREPLACE.
IT'S A CENTERPIECE WHERE IT BREAKS UP THE LIVING ROOM, FROM THE KITCHEN, DINING ROOM AREA.
YOU HAVE ONE VIEW CORRIDOR ALL THE WAY THROUGH FROM THE KITCHEN.
THEY'VE NEVER BEEN FUNCTIONAL SINCE YOU'VE BEEN THERE.
>> THEY'VE NEVER BEEN FUNCTIONAL SINCE.
PREVIOUS OWNER WE SPOKE TO, HE NEVER USED THEM.
THEY'VE BEEN KEPT AS FAR AS I KNOW, OR COVERED WITH SOMETHING OVER THE LOT PROBABLY LAST 20 OR 30 YEARS.
THEY'RE THE SHALLOW FIRE BOX KIND OF FIREPLACES.
IF THEY WERE USED, IT COULD HAVE BEEN COLD BACK IN THE DAY, OR THERE ARE A COUPLE OF AREAS ON THE HEART PINE FLOORS WHERE BURN SPOTS, PROBABLY TWO BIGGER FIRE LOGS PUT IN AND ROLLED OUT, BUT WE ALL HAVE THOSE, AND THOSE ARE PART OF THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.
BUT WE SAY BOTH OF THE FIREPLACES ON THE INITIAL 2017, 2018, 2019 CONSTRUCTION.
NOW WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE EXTERIOR ABOVE THE ROOF LINE ONLY.
THEY'RE IN GOOD SHAPE BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN SHIELDED FROM THE WEATHER.
AFTER 100 PLUS YEARS, THE EXTERIOR IS JUST IS TAKING A BEATING.
>> WHEN YOU GUYS DID THE WORK, I REMEMBER WHEN THIS GOT APPROVED WITH JOHN AND ALL OF THE RENOVATION WAS BEING DONE, DID YOU PUT A NEW ROOF ON IT THEN OR YOU KEPT THE EXISTING ROOF?
>> WE FOUND IN THE CITY RECORDS THAT THE NEW ROOF WAS PERMITTED IN 2007, 2008.
IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE BANK, GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANY AT THAT TIME?
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, DID THOSE BRICKS JUST FALL OUT, OR WERE THEY LIKE THAT AT THE TIME?
>> WE NEVER HAD THE ROOF INSPECTED, NOR THE CHIMNEY.
ONCE WE GOT THE PERMIT WHERE THEY WERE RE-ROOFED, WE ROCK AND ROLLED AFTER THAT AND DIDN'T GO UP THERE.
UNTIL BAILEY CALLED AND SAID, "HEY, MY ROOF'S LEAKING, CAN YOU COME LOOK?" THAT'S WHEN DYLAN AND HIS COMPANY WERE WORKING DOING REDOING OUR PORCH, AND HE WENT OVER THERE AND HE GAVE ME THE GOOD NEWS.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MR. ROWLAND? WE MIGHT CALL YOU BACK.
>> I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR DISCUSSION.
WHAT DO WE THINK? THIS IS AN EGOND HOUSE.
> WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CHIMNEY PROJECTS IN FRONT OF US OVER THE LAST FIVE, SIX MONTHS.
SAME EXACT KIND OF DILEMMA IN FRONT OF US, AND WE'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT ON THEY NEED TO KEEP THE CHIMNEYS.
ONE THING THAT I'M MENTALLY LAMENTING IS THAT WE USED TO HAVE A DISCRETIONARY FUND THAT STAFF PRESERVATIONISTS COULD SAY, "HEY, GUYS, THIS PROJECT IS WORTH USING SOME OF THAT MONEY TO HELP THE OWNER DO THE WORK, SO WE CAN KEEP SOME HISTORIC ELEMENT ON A HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT HOUSE," BUT THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT THIS ONE WOULD BE A CANDIDATE FOR THAT TO SAY, "HEY, WE WANT YOU TO KEEP THEM, AND GUESS WHAT? WE FEEL SO STRONGLY ABOUT IT.
WE HAVE SOME MONEY WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU TO HELP YOU GET TO THERE."
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>> WE WOULD DEFINITELY APPLY [LAUGHTER].
>> I THINK THAT WAS THE COMMISSION DECISION BY THE FORMER COMMISSION TO GET RID OF THAT FUND, WHICH IS A SHAME.
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, FERNANDINA'S HISTORY IS WHAT THE WHOLE PLACE IS ABOUT.
I DON'T LIKE SEEING GETTING RID OF ANY PART OF IT.
ME AND TED RICHARDSON HAD CRAWLED ON MR. ROWLAND'S ROOF AND INVESTIGATED THIS MATTER.
IT WAS OF TED'S OPINION THAT THE CHIMNEYS IN NO WAY, COULD BE PARGED.
IT'S NOT THAT THERE WAS MORTAR TO PARGE.
WE HAD TO COMPLETELY DISASSEMBLE WITH SCAFFOLDING ON BOTH CHIMNEYS, BELOW THE ROOF LINE, GET BACK TO SOME GOOD MORTAR, SO THEN HE COULD REBUILD THE CHIMNEYS COMPLETELY.
MR. ROWLAND HAD HAD THE IDEA OF WHILE HE'S GETTING HIS ROOF DONE, THAT THIS WOULD BE THE OPTIMAL TIME TO AT LEAST ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, CORRECTLY SO, BECAUSE IT HAS TO GO BELOW THE ROOF LINE, SO THAT YOU COULD GET BACK TO SOME GOOD BRICK AND SOME HEALTHY MORTAR.
BUT EVERYTHING ABOVE THAT ROOF LINE IS JUST [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION IN THIS APPLICATION.
WHEN THEY'RE SAYING, DISASSEMBLE AND THEN REASSEMBLE, IT'S NOT TO MAKE THE FIREPLACES FUNCTIONAL AGAIN.
DO YOU NEED TO RECUSE ON THIS CASE? ARE YOU PART OF THIS?
>> NO. I HAD SUBMITTED A BID, BUT WE HADN'T MOVED FORWARD.
>> THIS IS A TOUGH ONE BECAUSE LIKE JIM SAID, WE HAD THAT ONE ON 6TH STREET THAT WAS COMPLETELY GONE.
THIS WAS OFF. IT WAS FROM A ROOFING SITUATION.
IT WAS ANOTHER SISTER HOUSE WHERE THERE WERE SIMILAR HOUSES RIGHT NEXT TO THEM.
THEY WANTED TO JUST TAKE THIS OFF BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO COST X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO FIX IT.
THEY USED THE SISTER HOUSE AS AN EXAMPLE.
HOWEVER, THE SISTER HOUSE HAD ONE THAT STILL WENT UP AND THEN ONE THAT HAD BEEN LOPPED OFF RIGHT AT THE EAVES AT ONE POINT, SO WE STILL HAD THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT THAT WAS VISIBLE.
I THINK, ONE, THE FACT THAT THIS WAS DENIED THE FIRST TIME AROUND SHOWS THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE CHIMNEYS.
THE THING THAT WE ALSO LOOK AT IS, TED COULD TALK ABOUT THIS ALL DAY LONG, BUT THE TYPE OF BRICKWORK AND THE COURSING THAT'S ON HERE AND THE BATTERED TOP, THOSE ARE SUCH SPECIAL ELEMENTS THAT REALLY STAND OUT.
I THINK BECAUSE THE NEIGHBOR, I THINK IT'S THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH THAT HAD THE CHIMNEYS REMOVED IN MY MIND, THAT MAKES THESE EVEN THAT MUCH MORE SPECIAL THAT THEY SHOULD BE SAVED BECAUSE WE JUST KEEP TAKING THESE THINGS OFF.
THERE WAS CLEARLY A BOX PUT ON THE TOP AT SOME POINT TO EITHER KEEP THE ELEMENTS OUT OR WHATEVER.
I CAN'T FIND A WAY TO SAY WHAT OUR GUIDELINES SAY OR WHAT THE STANDARDS SAY.
>> I THINK TO DO THIS, MY OPINION IS TO GRANT THIS WOULD BE TO SET A PRECEDENT, WE WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME NOT HAVING TO KEEP DOING.
>> DO YOU REMEMBER ST. MICHAEL'S?
>> YEAH. WE MADE HIM REBUILD THOSE.
>> I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A VALUE IN US SAYING, "HEY, LET'S CONTINUE THIS." LET'S ASK THE OWNER TO INVESTIGATE.
COULD HE INVESTIGATE HAVING SOMEONE CAP THOSE OR SOMEHOW SEAL THEM, SO THAT THEY DON'T LEAK ANYMORE? BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO TEAR THEM OFF.
POTENTIALLY, IT GIVES IT TIME TO BE ABLE TO, AND IT WON'T COST 15,000.
THAT MAYBE WE COULD SAVE THE CHIMNEYS TO A TIME PERIOD WHEN THEY COULD BE RENOVATED PROPERLY.
BUT GIVE THEM A MONTH TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT INVESTIGATION.
IS THERE A WAY TO PRESERVE THE CHIMNEY, SOLVE THE LEAK PROBLEM? MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ANSWER SOME OF THAT,
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I JUST LIKE SOME WAY TO NOT HAVE TO TAKE THEM DOWN, BUT ALSO NOT SAY YOU GOT TO SPEND ALL THAT MONEY RIGHT NOW.>> BASED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD AND WE'RE GOING BY THE BRICK MASONS THAT THE CHIMNEYS ARE SO UNSTABLE, THEY HAVE TO COME DOWN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
EITHER COME DOWN PERMANENTLY OR COME DOWN AND BE REBUILT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S IN BETWEEN, YOU CAN SEE THE HOLES AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND THE MORE SEPARATING FROM TOP TO BOTTOM.
IT'S LIKE I WISH IT WAS, IF THERE WAS AN ALTERNATIVE, I TALKED ABOUT IT.
WE TALKED ABOUT ST. MICHAEL'S.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIXTH STREET AND THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM.
WE'RE ALL UNIQUE, AND I THINK YOU HAVE TO TREAT EACH INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION THAT IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE EACH CIRCUMSTANCE IS DIFFERENT.
YES, YOU MADE A DECISION TO TELL THOSE FOLKS TO DO THAT, BUT THINK OUR SITUATION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
THE DEGRADATION THAT HAS COME ABOUT ON THOSE PARTICULAR CHIMNEYS.
CERTAINLY, I'M NOT A CONSTRUCTION PERSON.
I HAVE TO HIRE PEOPLE TO DO THIS STUFF.
THAT'S WHY I DEALING TO DO OUR PORTS THAT'S WHY I CALL.
ONE OF THE MOST PROMINENT PEOPLE IN OUR AREA TO TALK ABOUT, WHAT CAN WE DO? I DIDN'T MAKE THE APPLICATION LIGHTLY, IT COST ME 250 BUCKS THAT WE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
COULD HAVE EASILY JUST WHAT CAN WE DO? DO WE JUST PUT A PAPER BAG OVER IT AND HOPE IT DOESN'T FALL DOWN? THOSE AREN'T GOING TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM ARE THE CHIMNEYS ARE SO DEGRADED, THAT THERE'S REALLY TWO CHOICES I THINK WE HAD AS BOTH, AS DYLAN AND TED RICHARDSON DISCUSSED.
AS THE BRICK MASON AND JACKSONVILLE TALKED WITH ME AND GAVE US HER, THERE'S REALLY NO IN BETWEEN US. IT'S THAT BAD.
NOW, I TAKE THAT THAT WORK, AND THAT'S WHERE I AM IS, IF THERE WAS AN ALTERNATIVE, I'D BE HERE WITH IT.
I ASKED, JOSE, CAN WE MAKE FAKE CHIMNEYS AND DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
[LAUGHTER] HE SAID, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA.
[LAUGHTER] BECAUSE THAT WAS I ASKED HIM THE SAME QUESTION THAT YOU ASK, JIM, IS, WHAT CAN WE DO TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THAT? ULTIMATELY, EVERY TIME I TOSSED ONE OUT, HE SAID, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
EITHER ARCHITECTURALLY OR STABILITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> MR. ROWAN. IN 2017 WHEN YOU CAME BEFORE THE BOARD AT THAT TIME.
WHAT WAS THAT APPLICATION TO DO? WAS THAT TO PUT A NEW ROOF?
>> IT WASN'T TOTALLY RENOVATE THE WHOLE HOUSE FROM TIME.
>> MAINTAIN AND DO SOME MAINTENANCE ON THE CHIMNEYS?
WE NEVER WENT ANY PAST WHEN THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT THE CHIMNEYS.
WE DIDN'T TAKE IT ANY FURTHER.
>> THEY WANTED TO TAKE ONE OF THEM DOWN OR DENIED.
>> WE NEVER PUSHED IT ANY FURTHER THAN WHEN TED TOLD ME HE SAYS HE CAN'T RECOMMEND IT.
BETWEEN JOHN STAFF AND US, WE'D SIDE, LET'S MOVE ON AND WE GOT OTHER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT FROM THE GROUND UP. THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
>> WHAT WAS THE CONDITION OF THE CHIMNEYS EIGHT YEARS AGO?
>> THE INSIDE IS DOING GREAT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN PRESERVED FROM ELEMENTS AND IGNORES TO US, EVERYTHING OF THE ROOF LINE HAS BEEN TAKEN A HIT OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS.
IT'S JUST 100 YEARS OLD CHIMNEY, DEGRADED. IT'S STAY ON THE SAND.
THEY'RE FALLING APART, AND WE REALLY HAVE TWO CHOICES, AND DAVID EXPLAINED IT TO ME VERY WELL.
I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
BILL SAID, YOU GOT SOME BRICKS MISSING.
GO PUT A BRICK OUT, PUT SOME BORER ON IT, AND WE'RE DONE. THAT IS NOT.
USUALLY, WHEN YOU GO GET YOUR SECOND OPINION, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, WHETHER IT'S A DOCTOR OR CONSTRUCTION, THOSE OPINIONS VARY A LITTLE BIT, NOT ON THIS ONE.
THEY WERE BOTH LIKE YOU REALLY GOT A PROBLEM.
HERE'S WHAT WE CAN SOLVE IT IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE CHIMNEYS.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE I WISH IT WAS A DIFFERENT STORY.
I'D BE HERE WITH YOU TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH WAY TO GO.
BUT FOR US, MY FAMILY AND I AND MY DAUGHTER WHO LIVES THERE.
OUR CHOICE IS TO ASK YOUR PERMISSION TO TAKE IT DOWN AND THEN PUT A NEW ROOF ON IT THAT'S GOING TO LAST 30 YEARS, PREDICT THE ENVELOPE OF THE HOUSE,
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AND THEN HAVE DOCUMENTATION THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT IT BACK, THEY CAN.THAT'S WE'VE DONE TWO HOUSES HERE.
OUR HEART AND SOUL IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND OUR JOB IS NOT AN EASY ONE WHEN IT JUST SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> I'VE SAID ON THIS BOARD BEFORE.
>> I KNOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PIECE OF THE EGMONT HOUSE.
THAT HOTEL IS KNOWN FAR AND WIDE, AND WE'VE CHIPPED AWAY AT SO MUCH OF OUR HISTORY OVER THE YEARS.
THIS IS JUST SO SAD TO ME THAT WE WOULD DO THIS IT'S JUST REALLY WELL.
>> IT COMES TO THE POINT LIKE JENNY'S GOT TO RESTORE WINDOWS.
IN HER CASE, THE SIZE OF THOSE WINDOWS AND THE RESTORATION AND THE FRAMES THAT'S NEEDED, IT WOULD BE WAY CHEAPER TO RIP THEM OUT AND PUT IN NEW WINDOWS.
>> ON THAT POINT, TIM, SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
BUT I THINK MAYBE YOU'VE STRUCK ON SOMETHING AT LEAST THAT I CAN HANG MY OPINION ON THAT IN THE CASE OF STANDARD MARINE, WE HAD A REPORT BY A PROFESSIONAL THAT DOES THAT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE OUR DECISION ON.
I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF YOU WERE TO BRING TO US LIKE AN ENGINEER'S REPORT THAT SAYS EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
BUT IT HAS THE WEIGHT OF AN ENGINEER OR A BRICKMASON OR SOMETHING.
>> I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT IS THEY'VE ALREADY GIVEN A REPORT THAT THEY CAN DO IT.
THAT'S TAKING A POINT, AND THEY CAN SAY ANYTHING THEY WANT.
THEY CAN COME BACK WITH THE REPORT AND SAY, IT'S TOO FAR GONE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE THAT.
>> IT'S PRICE TAG. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT COST ME 50 GRAND TO RAISE MY HOUSE.
I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT IT WOULDN'T EXIST IF I DIDN'T DO THAT.
>> GOOD POINT. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK MY WAY AROUND THIS DILEMMA.
>> BUT OUR GUIDELINES NUMBER 3, SAY, EVEN IF THEY ARE TOO SEVERELY DAMAGED FOR REPAIR, REPLACEMENT USING APPROPRIATE DESIGNS FOR THE STYLE AND PERIOD OF THE BUILDING.
>> THERE YOU GO. ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION ABOUT THIS, OR ARE WE GOING TO WANT TO TALK SOME MORE? I THINK EVERYBODY HAS MADE THEMSELVES.
CLEAR. I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.
IF THE ANSWER FROM THIS BOARD IS NO. WHAT'S YOUR NEXT STEP?
>> THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER MASON OUT THERE THAT CAN DO THIS.
>> I KNOW THE ONE YOU'VE HAD, AND HE'S ALWAYS BEEN EXPENSIVE.
>> IT'S ALSO PROBABLY THE BEST ROUND.
>> THE GUY FROM JACKSONVILLE COMES WITH GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS, TOO, SO IT'S NOT LIKE I WAS CHEAP AND OUT TO GO WHO TO CALL, BUT IF THE BOARD VOTES TO DO THAT, THEN WE'LL STEP BACK AND SEE WHERE WE GO FROM HERE AND HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH [INAUDIBLE].
>> IF VOTE TO DO THAT, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY?
>> OH, I UNDERSTAND. I'VE BEEN HERE.
I'VE BEEN ON THE OTHER BOARD, SO I GET IT.
>> THAT'S WHY I SAY EACH INDIVIDUAL REQUEST SHOULD BE DETERMINED.
NOT AGAINST OTHER REQUESTS, BUT BASED ON WHAT IT MEANS TO THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE.
>> WHEN YOU PUT THAT BIG EGMONT LABEL ON THIS?
>> YOU KNOW THAT WAS AN EGMONT?
>> OH, MY GOSH. ALL SEVEN OF THOSE.
>> MOST OF THEM, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
>> IF I HADN'T TOLD YOU THAT. [LAUGHTER] THERE'S GHOST LIVING IN THOSE CHIMNEYS, I'M TELLING YOU.
>> THEY'RE KNOCKING OUT THE PIGS.
>> MAYBE SOME REAL GOOD STORIES IN THOSE CHIMNEYS, TOO.
>> I WILL TELL YOU A QUICK STORY THAT WE DID BRING IN THE STATE ARCHAEOLOGIST.
WHEN WE WERE DEMO IN HOUSE UNDER THE CITY'S DIRECTION, GETTING READY TO PUT IT BACK.
WE FOUND THERE WAS A 1960S COLD WAR BUNKER.
IN THE BACK YARD OF THAT HOUSE.
HOW IT GOT THERE, WE HAVE NO IDEAS.
>> WHO IS SITTING THERE? MIND ANYTHING.
>> WE STARTED DIGGING AND IT'S WE FOUND SOME GARBAGE POTENTIALLY, AND WHAT THE SOMEBODY'S BURIED IN THERE.
CALLED THE STATE ARCHAEOLOGIST IN,
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AND SHE CAME IN AND LOOKED AND SAID, NO, THIS IS JUST CONCRETE IN [LAUGHTER].WE ACTUALLY FOUND THE PLANS IN A 1960 WAS A CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS? SOMEBODY HELPED ME OUT HERE '62.
>> LIFE MAGAZINE HAD A COPY OF THE PLANS FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUMPER.
>> WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES IN THIS HOUSE.
[LAUGHTER] SOMEBODY POURED A BUNCH OF CONCRETE BY HAND IN THAT BACK YARD.
WE DIDN'T FIND ANY CITY PERMITS, EITHER.
>> I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN CRAFT THE PROPOSAL SO THAT IF MR. ROWAN'S ABLE TO FIND SOME ALTERNATIVE, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO REAPPLY WITH A WHOLE NEW FEE AND EVERYTHING.
>> THAT'S A PROCEDURAL QUESTION, IS THERE.
DO WE CAN CONTINUE TO REAPPLY TO REPAIR OR WOULD BE APPROVAL.
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO HELP HIM.
>> I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU'RE A NICE PERSON.
I'M A FINE HUMAN BEING, SO WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND TELL US WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FOR?
>> MR. ROWAN, DO YOU SEE ANY VALUE IN US CONTINUING IT AND GIVING YOU A FEW MORE WEEKS OR IS IT JUST BECAUSE I THINK I'M READING THE TEMPERATURE ON THE BOARD.
I THINK IT'S A DENIAL HERE, BUT IF WE COULD CONTINUE IT, MAYBE IT GIVES YOU A CHANCE TO.
>> THE ONLY THING THAT POTENTIALLY COULD CHANGE IS THE PRICE OF THE BRICKMASON, AND I DON'T KNOW, BASED ON AGAIN, DEALING, HE'S AN EXPERT IN THAT FIELD.
I'VE TALKED TO OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE BRICKWORK, AND THEY SAY THAT'S ABOUT THE GOING RATE BETWEEN THE SECOND QUOTE AND TED'S IS ABOUT WHERE THE PRICE POINT IS FOR THOSE THINGS.
THE ALTERNATIVE IS TRY TO FIND A BRICKMASON THAT'S CHEAPER.
BUT WHY WOULD I WANT TO DO THAT, IF I COULD AFFORD TO DO IT, THEN I'D WANT TO GET THE BEST AND HAVE IT LOOK GOOD FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
AGAIN, I KNOW WHO THE BEST PEOPLE ARE, AND THAT'S WHY I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT IT, AND SO THAT'S WHERE I AM.
>> IF THE SECOND QUOTE WAS HALF OF THE FIRST THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE, AND YOU WANT IT TO LOOK THE BEST, BUT LOOK HOW IT'S LOOKING, AND HOW LONG HAS IT LOOKED LIKE THAT? CAN YOU SEE THE OUTLINE OF IT, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE THE DETAIL ON IT.
IF THE SECOND GUY CAN GIVE YOU A GUARANTEE OF WHATEVER HE'S GOING TO DO IT PROPERLY THAT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENCE IN THE DOLLARS.
>> IT IS. AGAIN, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY ROOF WORK.
>> WHEN THEY DECONSTRUCT AND HAVE TO IT'S WHAT?
>> YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE ROOF WORK DONE ANYWAY.
>> MAYBE. BUT I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT IF WE TAKE THE CHIMNEYS DOWN, WE GET A FULL ROOF 30 ROOF LESS THAN $16,000, SO IT'S DRIVEN BY DOLLAR AND CENTS.
WE PUT QUITE A BIT OF MONEY IN THAT HOUSE ALREADY ALONG WITH SEVENTH STREET, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVEN'T SPENT SOME TIME AND MONEY AND SWEAT EQUITY IN THESE THINGS WE HAVE.
THE CHOICES WOULD BE TRY TO FIND SOMEBODY TO DO IT CHEAPER.
IF YOU'RE ASKING ME WHAT WOULD I DO IF WE HAD POSTPONED TILL THE NEXT HEARING, THAT'D BE THE ONLY THING I COULD DO IS TRY TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT'S WILLING TO COME TO FERNANDINA TO DO THAT WORK AND DO IT CHEAPER THAN SAY $15,000 FOR BOTH CHIMNEYS.
YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS. I'M ALWAYS WILLING TO GIVE EVERYTHING A TRY.
>> IT'S TRYING TO FIND SOME WAY TO HELP YOU OUT.
>> I CALLED A LOT OF BRICKMASON FOR THERE.
FERNANDINA, I'M NOT COMING UP THERE.
[LAUGHTER] I'M WILLING TO GIVE IT A TRY, IF Y'ALL WANT TO NOT POSTPONE IT, BUT CONTINUE TO THE NEXT MEETING, OR UNTIL I SEND ME AN EMAIL IT SAYS, HEY, I'M OUT OF LUCK, OR WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO THING? I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM IS THAT'S THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE IS TO SEE IF IT'S CHEAPER FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO IT,
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AND THEN I RUN THE RISK OF NOT DOING AS GOOD JOB AS I WANTED TO BE.THAT'S THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE HERE, AND I GET A CHANGE HERE TO.
I'VE BEEN HERE I GET IT. UNDERSTAND.
>> I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY EXHAUSTED THE DISCUSSION, AND I'M LOOKING TO A BOARD MEMBER TO STEP UP AND MAKE A MOTION OF ONE KIND OR THE OTHER, PLEASE.
>> LET ME ASK ONE QUICK QUESTION OF OUR ATTORNEY HERE.
DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE? WE TABLE IT, AND THEN IT'S JUST WHEN HE GETS BACK TO ME AND SAYS, I'M READY TO DO SOMETHING, THEN IT WOULD COME BACK TO US.
AS OPPOSED TO CONTINUING IT, WHICH WE HAVE TO GIVE A DATE DEFINITIVE, AND THEN HE HAS A LIMITED TIME.
>> THEN THEY JUST HAVE TO NOTICE IT PROPERLY IF YOU DON'T CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN.
AS MIA HAS SAID, IF THE SOLUTION IS TO TAKE IT DOWN AND PUT IT BACK UP, THEN IT WOULD BE A STAFF APPROVAL ANYWAY.
IS WHAT I HEARD, DID I MISUNDERSTAND.
THE SHORT ANSWER IS, IF IF YOU DON'T SET IT TO A DATE CERTAIN AND YOU JUST TABLE IT, THEN THEY WILL BRING IT BACK AND THE STAFF WOULD HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT AS IF IT WERE NEW BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A CONTINUED TO DATE THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY REPERCUSSION TO THAT.
WHEN YOU CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THOSE MIDAL GYMNASTICS AGAIN.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY DOWNFALL OF DOING IT THAT WAY.
>> MAY I SUGGEST. BASED ON THE CITY ATTORNEY'S SUGGESTION IS, IF WE CONTINUE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, DATE CERTAIN, AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET A COUPLE MORE BIDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FROM 30 DAYS COULD BE DONE.
IF I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY BID, I'LL EITHER CAN SEE AN EMAIL SAYS, WE WITHDRAW OR COME BACK AND YOU MAKE YOUR FINAL DECISION.
THE POTENTIAL, COULD WE ASK FOR ANOTHER CONTINUANCE INTO NOVEMBER? IT GIVES US 60 DAYS TO GET OUT.
YOU CONTINUE NOW TILL THE NEXT MEETING, THEN I COME BACK AND LET ME KNOW, I'M NOT SUCCESSFUL.
PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AGAIN AND THEN CONTINUE IT AS A MATTER OF PROCEDURE UNTIL THE NOVEMBER MEETING.
THEN BY CERTAINLY BY THAT TIME PERIOD, I WOULD HAVE AN ANSWER FROM SOMEBODY THAT DOES BRICKWORK.
>> WE MIGHT WANT TO [OVERLAPPING].
>> POINT, THOUGH, I THINK YOU CAN JUST DO THE NOVEMBER HEARING.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO UNLESS THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR 30 AND THEN ANOTHER 30 YOU COULD JUST JUMP TO THE NOVEMBER.
>> I THINK NOVEMBER IS PROBABLY THE BETTER DATE BECAUSE.
>> SUBMITTING BIDS [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU CONTINUE IT TO NOVEMBER AND I DO GET SOME SOLID DATA, WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH, AND I MEET THE DEADLINE FOR GETTING IT ON THEM.
OCTOBER, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO LAG ANY LONGER THAN WE HAVE TO BECAUSE OF THE WATER INTRUSION INTO THE HOUSE ITSELF.
THAT'S OUR MAIN CONCERN IS WE NEED TO STOP IT.
>> COULD THE ROOFING COMPANY PUT SOME BLUE TAPS UP?
>> JUST NOW, IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WATER INFILTRATION, CAN YOU DO SOME.
>> IT WOULDN'T BE THE BLUE TAPS, I'D BE SOMETHING MORE LIKE A BAGGY TYPE? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU JUST FELL OVER IT.
THAT TYPE AROUND THE BOTTOM OF IT AND GO FROM THERE.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE WATER IS COMING THROUGH THE CHIMNEY AND THE HOLES IN THE CHIMNEY AND CRITTERS.
>> WHY CAN'T WE CONTINUED TO OCTOBER AND CROSS OUR FINGERS.
>> DOES THAT GIVE US TIME FOR STAFF TO GET EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED? I SEE A HEADSHAKE THERE, HAVEN'T WE ALREADY HIT THAT?
>> IT'S ALREADY PASSED IT THAT FOR OCTOBER.
>> IF YOU CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN, YOU'RE JUST MOVING THIS FORWARD.
OR YOU'RE SAYING YOU COULDN'T ADD ANY INFORMATION TO HIT THE PACKET.
>> I'M OKAY WITH MOVING IT TO NOVEMBER.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT DOING.
>> I'D LIKE TO ASK IF I GET DATA BEFORE THAT, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET IT ON OCTOBER? BECAUSE WE ARE DATA.
DEADLINES PASS FOR THE OCTOBER?
>> YES. THIS IS NOT OUR DUTY, THIS IS CONTROLLED BY THE CITY.
>> I THINK WITH A CONTINUANCE, NO, BUT I'M GETTING HEADSHAKES OVER THERE.
LEGALLY, THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT THERE MUST BE SOME OTHER PROCEDURE THAT IS.
>> WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO POST IN EMAIL?
>> IF YOU CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN, THEN NO.
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BUT IF YOU LOOKING CONCERN THERE.>> I DON'T SEE IT'S NOT LIKE A NEW CASE.
IT IS A CONTINUOUS CASE UNLESS MIA HAS SOME CONCERN OVER ADDING IT.
>> HE'S GO IN NOVEMBER, I GUESS WE DON'T JUST SOLVE THAT PROBLEM?
>> YES. I MOVE TO CONTINUE CASE NUMBER HDC 2025-0019 TO THE NOVEMBER MEETING OF THE HDC.
>> CAN WE GET THAT EXACT DATE, PLEASE?
>> NOVEMBER 20TH MEETING OF THE HDC.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO HDC 2025-0021.
[5.2 HDC 2025-0021 - CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, 102 CENTRE STREET]
CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH.THE IS THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, AND I HOPE THAT REACH IS THERE. I CAN'T SEE.
>> GREAT. THE COLLEGE HAS INTRODUCED THE CASE, AND I'LL PASS OVER TO HER TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION TO PLACE A WATER FOUNTAIN AT THE NEW ISLAND WELCOME CENTER OR THE TRAIN DEPOT AT 12 CENTER STREET.
THE PHOTO ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT SHOWS WHERE THE WATER BOTTLE WILL BE PLACED.
THIS IS THE WATER FOUNTAIN AND THE BLACK THAT WILL BE ON IT.
THIS IS A DONATION FROM THE ROTARY CLUB OF FERNANDINA BEACH, COMMEMORATING THE HUNDREDTH YEAR ANNIVERSARY.
IT HAS FIVE LEVEL WATER FOUNTAIN FOR KIDS AND ADA COMPLIANCE AS WELL AS A WATER BOTTLE FILLING STATION AND A PET WATER FOUNTAIN TO THE BOTTOM.
THERE'S NO DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT GO OVER WATER FOUNTAINS, WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION FOR PUBLIC HEALTH IN THE DOWNTOWN AND TOWN RECOMMENDED FINAL APPROVAL.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SADLER? PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
>> LISA FINKELSTEIN, DOWNTOWN DISTRICT MANAGER, AND I'M HERE DOUBLE DUTY.
THE ROTARY CLUB IT'S ACTUALLY ALL THREE ROTARY CLUBS ARE LOOKING TO DO THIS PROJECT TOGETHER.
I'M A MEMBER OF THE AMELIA ISLAND SUNRISE CLUB, AND WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH CLUB, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A NASSAU COUNTY CLUB.
THAT'S NOT HERE, BUT FINANCIALLY IS CONTRIBUTING.
THIS WAS A DISTRICT GRANT PROJECT FOR THE THREE ROTARY CLUBS, MEANING THAT A PORTION OF THE FUNDS, 50% IS BEING MATCHED BY THE ROTARY DISTRICT, AND THEN THE OTHER 50% ARE BEING CONTRIBUTED BY THE CLUBS.
WE WERE PAS INTENDING TO PURCHASE THREE WATER FOUNTAINS.
TWO OF THEM ARE GOING TO THE PARK.
THEY'RE PART OF THE PARK PROJECT, SO THIS IS THE THIRD ONE.
THIS WOULD BE A FREE STANDING WATER FOUNTAIN THAT WOULD BE ON THE GROUNDS OF THE WELCOME CENTER.
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN IS A RENDERING FROM CJ BASS, WHO HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE ROTARY CLUB TO COME UP WITH THE INSTALLATION PLAN FOR THE FOUNTAIN.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM MS. FINKELSTEIN?
>> WHERE DOES THE ROTARY SIGN GO, AND WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THAT? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DIMENSIONS ON.
>> IT'S A 12 WAY 15 SIGN, AND THE PLAN WAS TO LOOK AT THE SIGNAGE THAT IS THERE AND SEE IF WE COULD INCORPORATE ALL OF IT TOGETHER SO THAT WE'RE NOT ADDING ANOTHER POLE.
>> THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WHEN MIA FIRST TIME, I'M THE ONE WOULD DONATE A FOUNTAIN, I'M THINKING, OH, PELICAN, IT'S GOING TO BE A HEROIN, AND THEN I PULLED THIS.
I WAS LIKE, WHOA. IT'S UTILITARIAN [LAUGHTER] I GET THAT, AND I LIKE ALL THE THINGS, SO WE HAVE THAT FOUNTAIN AND MARINE GREEN.
WE HAVE THE NEWSLEADER GREEN THING.
WE HAVE A BRONZE TRASH CAN, AND WE HAVE A BRIGHT BLUE, BURGUNDY AND RED FERNANDINA BEACH WELCOME SIGN.
WE HAVE A GRAY BIKE MAINTENANCE THING.
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AND THEN WE'LL ALSO HAVE THAT WELCOME SIGN.THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON IN THAT LITTLE CORNER.
DO WE HAVE STANDARDS, SOMEHOW, SO THAT'S ONE QUESTION CONCERN.
WE'RE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT VISUAL CLUTTER.
THEN TWO, AS SOMETHING THAT'S DONATED TO THE CITY, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THIS? SHOULD A PARK BREAK? SHOULD SOMETHING HAPPEN TO IT? IT CHIPS, IT RUSTS. WHO TAKES CARE OF IT?
>> THE PLAN WOULD BE THAT THE CITY WOULD MAINTAIN IT.
IT WOULD BE A GIFT TO THE CITY, AND THEN IT WOULD BECOME THE CITY'S PROPERTY.
>> THE WATER AND THE PLUMBING AND ALL OF THAT HAS TO FALL UNDER WHAT PARKS AND REC NOW?
>> THIS THE PLUMBING WOULD BE PAID FOR TO INSTALL THE FOUNTAIN AS PART OF THE GRANT, BUT THEN ONGOING, YES.
>> IS THIS TO GO TO COMMISSION IF WE APPROVE IT? DOES THIS GO THROUGH COMMISSION?
>> I WAS THINKING THAT BOTH THINGS TAMMY MENTIONED WERE ALSO GOING TO BE MY QUESTIONS.
I THINK MY QUESTION TO YOU, LISA WOULD BE, CAN THAT SIGN BE MOUNTED ON THAT FOUNTAIN SO THAT THERE'S NOT ANOTHER GO AROUND THERE.
>> I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT WE COULD LOOK AT IT, AND WE SUBMITTED SOME TEXTS TO THE PLAQUE COMPANY AND THEY CAME BACK WITH THAT PLAQUE.
WE COULD SLIM DOWN THE TEXT OR CHANGE THE SHAPE SO THAT IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE FOUNTAIN DIMENSIONS, FOR SURE.
>> FOR ME, THAT'S AN EASY YES IF IT'S ACTUAL FOUNTAIN.
>> THE CITY USED TO HAVE A WATER FOUNTAIN BACK IN THE CORNER BY THAT WALL THAT'S NEXT TO THE CONVERSATION THAT TED DID [LAUGHTER].
>> DO WE KNOW WHY THAT IS GONE?
>> IT WAS BROKEN, VANDALIZED, AND IT WAS REMOVED, BUT IT HAS BEEN REPLACED.
THERE IS A FOUNTAIN HANGING ON THE WALL BACK THERE.
>> IT'S THE OLD STYLE WALL FOUNTAIN.
THIS WOULD ADD THE BOTTLE FILLER, AND THIS ADDS THE PET FOUNTAIN, AND THEN THE TWO LEVELS FOR ADA ACCESSIBILITY.
>> YOU GUYS WOULD ALSO BE OR WHOEVER SINCE THOMAS, IT LOOKS LIKE A CONCRETE PAD WOULD BE POURED?
>> IN THAT LITTLE PIE SHAPE, AND THEN THERE ARE BRICKS THAT WOULD BE THE BORDER.
>> DOES THE CITY HAVE TO DO THAT, OR IT DOES [INAUDIBLE]?
>> NO. REPRESENTATIVES FROM CJ BASS ARE HERE, BUT THEY ARE THAT'S UNDER THEIR SCOPE OF FOUR.
>> WHAT ARE THE DIMENSIONS FOR THE PATH? [LAUGHTER]
>> DO WE KNOW THERE'S NO IRRIGATION IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA?
>> THIS AREA IS IRRIGATED WHEN THEY'RE DIGGING FOR A PAD. YOU CAN FIX IT.
>> I DIDN'T SEE ANY IRRIGATION WHEN WE WERE LOOK THROUGH.
>> I'M SORRY, SIR. COULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
>> MARK GALLAGHER WITH CJ BASS PLUMBING.
I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER UP THERE.
WE WERE THINKING LIKE A FIVE BY FIVE PAD GOING FROM THE CORNER, GOING FIVE FEET OUT, AND THEN DOING LIKE A HALF CIRCLE AROUND THE BACKSIDE SO THE DOGS CAN WALK ON THE PATH.
THEN THE BRICK LAY IS GOING TO BE ACTUAL BRICK THAT WAS LIKE IN THE CENTER STREET.
LET I GOT SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO DONATE SOME BRICK TO ACTUALLY MAKE THAT LOOK LIKE THE CENTER STREET BRICK, WHICH IS ACTUALLY BRICK FROM CENTER STREET BACK IN THE DAY, SO IT'S NOT JUST LIKE RED BRICK [LAUGHTER].
WE'RE TRYING TO BLEND IT ALL TOGETHER TO WORK WITH THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
>> I'M JUST ASKING THIS, I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS TO HAPPEN.
JUST IF IT WERE MOVED TO THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THE PLATFORM IS ON THE OTHER SIDE, IS THAT A FEASIBLE MOVE TO MAKE?
>> MY OPINION IN THIS AREA IS PROBABLY THE BEST THING WHERE WAS ALL THE TRAFFIC ON WITH BATHROOMS PEOPLE ARE ABOUT TO USE IT.
THAT'S JUST MY OPINION AND THE AESTHETICS OF IT, I'D LIKE TO FACE THE FOUNTAIN TOWARDS THE CORNER IT'S LIKE YOU GOT THE EDGES.
PEOPLE CAN USE IT AND WHEELCHAIR CAN GET UNDER ONE SIDE OF IT EASY.
>> WHERE ARE YOU PULLING YOUR LINES FROM?
>> THE BACK SIDE OF THE TRAIN STATION PARK.
THERE'S A FILTRATION DRAIN BACK THERE AND SOME WATER LINES AND DRAIN LINES BACK THERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET OUR STUFF FROM.
>> OH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, TOO.
IF THIS OVERFLOWS AND PEOPLE KEEP IT ON, DOES IT DRAIN?
>> YES, MA'AM. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DRAIN TO IT.
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IT'S GOING TO GO INTO A PUMP SYSTEM.THAT'LL CONNECT STRAIGHT TO THE SLAB, AND THEN THERE'LL BE A DRAINAGE COMING UP FOR THAT HOOK TO, AND IT'LL DRAIN INTO A PUMP SYSTEM, WHICH WILL PUMP TO THE BACK OF THE TRAIN STATION.
>> IT'S A SMALL, LITTLE TINY PUMP IT'S NOT NOTHING MAJOR.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND FOLKS THAT THERE'S A FOUNTAIN IN FRONT OF THE DEPOT NOW?
HOWEVER, THAT FOUNTAIN WAS DONATED TO THE CITY BY MISSES DURIE, WHOSE HUSBAND OWNED THE BUILDING THAT MOST RECENTLY WAS THE MARINA RESTAURANT.
SHE LOVED ANIMALS, DIDN'T MUCH CARE FOR PEOPLE.
SHE ACTUALLY GOT HER CAT SPECTACLES BECAUSE THE CAT DESERVED TO SEE, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
BUT SHE DONATED THAT FOUNTAIN, AND INITIALLY, THE LOWER ONE IS FOR DOGS AND CATS, THEN SHE HAD ONE FOR HORSES.
THE PEOPLE DIDN'T COME IN UNTIL AFTER SHE WAS LONG DEAD.
SOMEBODY CHANGED THE FOUNTAIN TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO DRINK FROM IT, TOO.
BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D SHARE THAT STORY BECAUSE THERE IS AN AWFUL LOT OF HISTORY RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE THERE.
THAT'S A LOT OF HISTORY RIGHT THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M SORRY.
>> NO, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE SIDEWALK AND HOW IT'S CREATED ON THE ONE PICTURE, SO IS THE PATH GOING TO MIMIC THAT COLOR OF SURFACE THERE.
IT'LL JUST BE LIKE BRUSHED CONCRETE.
>> CONCRETE IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN JUST A NICE LITTLE NICE BRICK OUTSIDE.
NOT JUST TO BROWN THE BACKSIDE.
I WAS TRYING TO PICK IT ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO DO A RECTANGLE THING.
I THINK THAT THING WILL LOOK A LITTLE BETTER IN THERE.
>> I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THE COLOR.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE COMMENTS TO MAKE ABOUT THIS PROJECT? YES, MA'AM.
>> JAQUELINE STEVENSON, 83 OAK GROVE PLACE.
WHEN I FIRST SAW THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGN IN FRONT OF THE HISTORICAL FOUNTAIN YOU MENTIONED, I PANICKED BECAUSE I THOUGHT, OH MY GOSH, THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE THIS FOUNTAIN, AND IT WASN'T BECAUSE I ASKED FOR PUBLIC RECORD.
I WAS ABLE TO SEE EVERYTHING HERE IN THE DIAGRAM.
I WOULD POSE ONE QUESTION ALTHOUGH I FEEL THIS IS A WONDERFUL CONCEPT, AND I LOVE IT FOR THE PETS AND THAT KIND OF THING, AND I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL THAT THEY'RE DOING IT.
BUT I WANT TO ALSO MAYBE SUGGEST THAT YOU THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX WITH THIS WHERE IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO TAKE AWAY FROM RETAIL OR RESTAURANT? I KNOW IT'S WATER, AND I KNOW WE ALL NEED WATER BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF STOREFRONTS THAT OFFER WATER FOR ANIMALS AND THEY SELL WATER, THAT KIND OF THING.
PERSONALLY, I WOULD PREFER IT BACK BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT OBVIOUSLY UP TO YOU.
I THINK YOU ALL BROUGHT UP VERY GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT BEING CONGESTED AND THAT KIND OF THING.
MAINTENANCE DEFINITELY WOULD BE CRUCIAL.
I DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS A FOUNTAIN IN THE REAR BACK THAT WAS ABANDONED OR VANDALIZED.
I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REALLY LOOK INTO THAT AND LEARN MORE ABOUT IT.
I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE DONE THAT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BOARD MEMBERS.
I LIKE THE CONCEPT, THE ADA, THE BOTTLE FILLING IS GOOD, RECYCLING SITUATIONS.
I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE LOCATION, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON THERE ALREADY.
I WONDER IF, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY COULD GET THE WATER FROM, BUT WHERE THE BIKE REPAIR STATION IS TO THE LEFT OF THE BIKE RACKS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT REMOVED FROM THE WELCOME STATION.
WOULD THAT BE A BETTER LOCATION? I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS THE BEST LOCATION PLUS WE'RE ADDING NOW IT'S GOING TO BE A BRIGHT WHITE CONCRETE SURFACE AND THEN WHEN YOU PUT
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THOSE LARGE KING BRICKS ON A RADIUS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PRETTY WIDE MORTAR JOINTS ON THE BACK EDGES.IT'S GOING TO BE BUSY IN THERE AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLE HILL, BUT I THINK THIS IS A PERMANENT THING WE'RE STICKING IN THERE.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING A TEMPORARY SIGN THAT WE SAY, WE DON'T LIKE IT ANYMORE.
THOSE ARE MY INITIAL COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS ABOUT IT.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY MORE DISCUSSION?
>> I THINK I WOULD ECHO AND AGREE WITH WHAT BOTH THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ON THAT END HAVE TALKED ABOUT.
I THINK THAT THAT SPOT WITH PLAIN CONCRETE FOR THE MAIN BODY OF THE SURFACE RIGHT ADJACENT TO ALL THAT HEAP GRAVEL IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IT CAME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THEN THE BRICKS AROUND WHAT'S EXISTING ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FROM THE BRICKS THAT ARE GOING AROUND IT.
AS TAMMY POINTED OUT, RADIUSING, I LIKE THE RADIUS, BUT I THINK IT LOOKED DIFFERENT.
THERE MAY BE A BETTER SPOT FOR IT.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A SITE PLAN.
I UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GO DOWN THERE AND LOOK MYSELF.
>> MAY I SAY SOMETHING? BECAUSE OF WHERE THE WATER RUNS, I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR IDEA OF MOVING IT OVER, AND THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE, EXCEPT WITH THE WATER RUNNING THE WAY IT DOES, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
WE'D HAVE TO GO UNDER THE SIDEWALK AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
BUT I'M WONDERING IF WE MOVED IT FURTHER SOUTH SO THAT IT WOULD STILL BE ALONG THAT WALKWAY.
AND THEN YOU COULD TRANSITION TO A RECTANGULAR PAD WITH A RECTANGULAR BORDER.
IT WOULD BE MIDWAY BACK NOT ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, BUT SOMEWHERE WE COULD LOOK AT WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE ALONG THE SIDE.
THERE'S LANDSCAPING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED THERE ANYWAY SO THAT SPACE NEEDS A REFRESH.
>> WE CAN COLOR THE CONCRETE ANY COLOR YOU WANT.
WE CAN BLEND IT IN HOWEVER YOU WANT.
WE WANT TO JUST PUT IT LIKE A PLAIN WHITE CONCRETE PAD OUT.
>> GOT YOU. AT LEAST, I THINK YOUR IDEA MADE SENSE, AND I THINK THE GROUND SURFACE IF IT ADDRESSES THE BUILDING HAS A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY, I THINK BUT.
>> WE CAN BLEND IN WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT LOOK RIGHT.
>> WHAT IF YOU PUT THE WHOLE THING ON A BRICK PAD, NO CONCRETE?
>> MY FRIENDS GOT A PILE OF THESE BRICKS, SO WE CAN DO.
>> WE JUST WANT TO KEEP IT TO A POINT WHERE IT'S ACCESSIBLE, IT'S SMOOTH. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE PAD CAN GO AROUND THE BACK, BUT WE WANT TO [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING].
>> COULD IT BE BRICK PAVERS? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE CITY BRICK, THE COLOR MATCHES.
>> NO, BECAUSE THE BRICKS DOWN THERE ON THE SIDEWALK ARE FROM CENTER STREET.
>> IT WOULD LOOK NICE WITH THAT BRICK.
>> THAT WOULD LOOK GOOD. THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA AND THAT'S ONE LESS COLOR THAT WE'RE INTRODUCING INTO THE AREA.
>> THEN REGARDING THE SIGN, WHAT WAS SUGGESTED BY THE BRONZE MANUFACTURER FOR THE SIGN WAS A SQUARE BLACK POLE, LIKE WE HAVE A WOODEN POLE, AND THEN JUST AN ANGLED PLATE THAT THAT THE PLAQUE WOULD SIT ON.
IT WOULD NOT BE A HIGH PLAQUE, BUT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW LOW THOSE WINDOWS GO.
IT LOOKS MAYBE ABOUT MAYBE A FIVE FOOT SIX FOOT LANDSCAPE, RUN THERE.
IF THIS THING IS TAKING UP A GOOD FIVE FEET OR SO, COULD THAT PLAQUE BE ON THE BUILDING ITSELF SO WE ELIMINATE A WHOLE OTHER POLE?
>> [OVERLAPPING] TO PUT THOSE BRICKS IN THAT BUILDING? THEY WERE REPOINTED WHEN THAT WAS ALL DONE [OVERLAPPING] WORK ON THAT BUILDING.
>> WE BRIEFLY TALKED ABOUT THAT WHEN WE WERE IN THE PLANNING PHASE OF THIS PROJECT, BUT I DISCOURAGE THAT OPTION JUST BECAUSE I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE'D WANT TO FIX ANYTHING TO THE BUILDING.
>> [OVERLAPPING] JUST STRENGTH THE SIGN THING.
>> THERE WAS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF SHRINKING IT A LITTLE BIT IF YOU SHOW THE PLAQUE PEOPLE WHAT YOU WOULD MOUNT IT ON IF IT'S MOUNTED ON THE FOUNTAIN ITSELF.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD MOUNT IT TO THE BOTTOM LINE.
I WAS THINKING AT FIRST AT THE BOTTOM DOWN THERE, IF IT WOULD BE CLOSER TOGETHER BECAUSE YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GET A WHEELCHAIR ON THE LEFT SIDE OF IT IF IT'S INTERFERING WITH THAT SIDE.
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IT HAS TO BE ADA COMPLIANT WITH THAT, TOO OR MAYBE MOUNTED TO THE TOP OF IT. IS THERE A WAY TO DO THAT?>> I DON'T KNOW. I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW.
IT'S A METAL FOUNTAIN WITH A CERTAIN EXTERIOR COATING THAT'S MADE TO WITHSTAND THE ELEMENTS AND EVERYTHING AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE COULD PIERCE THAT, BUT TO MOUNT IT OTHERWISE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT [INAUDIBLE].
>> IT'S ON A FOUR BY FOUR BLACK POST BEHIND IT.
CAN THE BACKGROUND OF THE SIGN BE IN THE SAME COLOR AS THE FOUNTAIN? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S BEEN BOTHERING ME TOO. [LAUGHTER].
>> EVEN TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE OTHER THINGS, EITHER ONE, THE FOUNTAIN COULD BE A DIFFERENT COLOR, AND THE PLAQUE COULD BE AS WELL.
THE CHOICES WERE THE NAVY BLUE, WHICH WE JUST SELECTED BECAUSE BLUE AND GOLD ARE THE ROTARY COLORS BUT IT COULD ALSO BE IT'S LIKE A BLACK BRONZE BACKGROUND.
>> THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
>> I THINK ANOTHER POSSIBILITY, AND THIS IS JUST ME THROWING THIS OUT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU DO.
[BACKGROUND] [LAUGHTER] IT'S EASY FOR ME TO SUGGEST STUFF.
YOU MENTIONED USING THE BRICKS TO MAKE A PAD.
COULD THE SIGN BE EMBEDDED IN THOSE BRICKS?
>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT BUT THAT GIVES ME A BIG PAD AND THEN [INAUDIBLE] CAN BE COVERED UP WITH THE FOUNTAIN.
>> I TOLD YOU I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
[BACKGROUND] ANYTHING ELSE? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? THANK YOU.
>> I'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT. LET ME PULL SOMETHING UP HERE.
I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2025-00-21 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THAT THE LOCATION IS ADJUSTED TO MOVE FURTHER SOUTH ALONG THE RAILROAD STATION, THAT THE PAD IS STILL ADA COMPLIANT, BUT IT IS CONSTRUCTED OF BRICK WITHOUT THE BRUSHED CONCRETE AS A FINISH, AND THAT THE ROTARY PLAQUE BACKGROUND COLOR MATCHES THE GREEN COLOR OF THE FOUNTAIN.
>> IS THAT EVERYTHING? IS THAT EVERYTHING? WE GOT ANYTHING ELSE?
>> I DIDN'T SAY ALL THE REST OF IT.
I MOVE THAT THE ACC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS THAT PART OF THE RECORD.
THAT CASE 2025-00-21 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO OUR FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
[5.3 HDC 2025-0020 CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, 204 ASH STREET]
WE HAVE HCC 2025-0020, CITY OF FERNANDINA.>> QUICK INTRODUCTION AND I HOPE [INAUDIBLE] IS THERE?
>> BEAUTIFUL. QUICK INTRODUCTION TO THE CASE AND RECORD [INAUDIBLE] APPLICATION.
2025-0020 FOR 204 [INAUDIBLE] STREET, WHICH IS CITY HALL.
THIS IS [INAUDIBLE] REQUESTING FINAL APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE CITY HALL SIGN.
ON THE LEFT, I HAVE PICTURES OF THE EXISTING SIGN AND THEN ON THE RIGHT, I HAVE THE PROPOSED SIGN.
THE PROPOSED SIGN IS MADE OF KING COLOR FOR POLYMER, WHICH IS A PLASTIC MATERIAL.
THIS SIGN IS UNIFORM TO THE OTHER CITY PARK SIGN, AS WELL AS TECH CENTER AND THE UTILITY BUILDING AND OTHER CITY FACILITIES AROUND TOWN.
IT'S CARVED SO THERE IS RELIEF ON THE TECH AND ON WORK OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH.
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THERE'S RELIEF THERE AND THE TEXT KICKS OUT A LITTLE BIT.IT'S A NOD TO WHAT WOOD CARVING LOOKS LIKE.
HOWEVER, THERE'S NOT ANY MAINTENANCE TIED TO IT AND THAT'S THE FIELD OF REPLACING THE SIGN.
ON UPON REVIEWING THE CASE, I NOTED THE MATERIAL WAS PLASTIC AND ASKED MISS SABATINI IF SHE COULD OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE, WHICH WOULD JUST BE A FLAT ALUMINUM METAL SIGN BECAUSE OUR DESIGN GUIDELINES DO NOT ALLOW FOR PLASTIC SIGNS.
I DID SOME RESEARCH THROUGH THE CASE IN 2021, WHERE THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO MAKE A CASE FOR USING PLASTIC SIGNAGE.
THAT IS THE MODEL THAT I FOLLOW HERE TODAY.
THERE'S TWO OPTIONS THE PINK COLOR OR POLYMER SIGN AND THE ALUMINUM FLAT SIGN.
BOTH SIGNS WOULD HAVE WOODEN POSTS.
THE POST WOULDN'T REALLY FALL HERE, BUT I'VE BEEN INFORMED THAT THEY GET DUG INTO THE GROUND TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STABLE.
THE REPLACEMENT SIGN WOULD BE IN THE SAME HEIGHT AND IN THE SAME LOCATION AS THE EXISTING SIGN.
THAT [INAUDIBLE] FINAL APPROVAL.
>> [INAUDIBLE] KATHY SABATINI, PUBLIC WORKS, OPERATIONS DIRECTOR.
THE CITY HAS SIGNS FOR ALL OF OUR CITY FACILITIES.
IT'S PART OF MY DUTIES TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE SO WHETHER YOU'RE A CITIZEN HERE OR A VISITOR, YOU KNOW YOU'RE IN A CITY BUILDING.
WE WANT SOMETHING THAT'S CONSISTENT.
WE'VE PLACED THESE SIGNS IN SEVERAL FACILITIES.
YOU CAN SEE THEM GOING ACROSS AROUND TOWN BECAUSE PRIOR TO HAVING THESE TYPES OF SIGNS, THE SIGNS WOULD HAVE TO BE DISMANTLED, AND IT WOULD BE REPAINTED BY HAND BY CITY STAFF, SO VERY LABOR INTENSIVE.
WE DID IT AS LONG AS WE COULD.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY WOODWORKERS ON STAFF THAT CAN ENGRAVE AND CARVE.
THAT WOULD BE A GREAT SKILL SET, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY PERSONNEL TO DO THAT.
AGAIN, WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO REPLACE THE SIGN IN THE SAME LOCATION, NOT MAKING IT ANY BIGGER USING OUR CITY COLORS THAT ARE TRIED AND TRUE THAT REPRESENT US. ANY QUESTIONS OF ME?
>> KATHY, WHERE DO YOU HAVE THESE ALREADY?
>> PECK CENTER HAS THEM, ALL THE REC CENTERS HAVE THEM.
WE'VE BEEN SLOWLY IN A PROCESS OVER THE YEARS REPLACING THESE SIGNS WITH SOMETHING THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR COLORS, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S ALMOST LIKE BRANDING FOR THE CITY, SO EVERYONE KNOWS YOU ARE AT A CITY FACILITY.
>> HOW OLD IS THE OLDEST SIGN THAT YOU'VE REPLACED? HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN UP?
>> BUT WHEN YOU SAY, IT'LL NEVER NEED TO BE PAINTED, AT SOME POINT, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THIS WILL STILL HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED LIKE A SIGN WILL BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE IN A VERY MOIST CLIMATE SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE CLEAN.
IT'S NOT COMPLETELY MAINTENANCE FREE BUT IT'S FRIENDLIER FOR CLEANING.
WITH A WOOD SIGN, YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY PAINT OR USE MATERIALS THAT DON'T SCRUB OFF ALL YOUR COLORS AND THIS GIVES A BETTER REPRESENTATION OF THE CITY'S FLAGS AND STUFF.
>> IT'S RENDERED ON BOTH SIDES, CORRECT?
>> YES, SIR BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE SECOND STREET.
PEOPLE COMING FROM SECOND STREET CAN SEE IT AS WELL AS PEOPLE ON ASH.
>> THE EXISTING POSTS HAVE SOME ARTICULATION IN COLOR ON THEM THAT I DON'T SEE IN THE PROPOSED VERSION, COULD WE MAINTAIN THAT?
>> WE COULD DO THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE WOODEN POSTS. YES, SIR.
>> HAVE THE LITTLE ROUTED CHANNEL AT THE TOP AND THEN THE POINT AND THAT'S GOOD FOR SHUTTING MOISTURE, TOO.
>>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
>> I GUESS THE BIG QUESTION IS ABOUT THE MATERIAL.
>> I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH KING COLORCORE COMPOSITE.
>> WE APPROVED AT THE FLORIST.
MOKAMA WASN'T UNDER OUR PURVIEW, BUT THEIR LETTERS ARE AN ALTERNATE MATERIAL.
THIS IS COMING UP AGAIN AND AGAIN IN MANY DIFFERENT HISTORIC DISTRICTS BECAUSE OF THE MAINTENANCE ASPECT OF IT.
IN FACT, THE LAUNCH AND LEARN THIS MONTH FROM FLORIDA TRUST IS ON ALTERNATE MATERIALS FOR PRESERVATION.
THEY ARE RECOMMENDING FROM A SUSTAINABILITY STANDPOINT.
NOW, WE'RE NOT GOING AND SAYING, PUT UP A VINYL SHUTTER.
BUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE THERE'S ARTICULATION, IT'S ROUTED, AND THERE'S RELIEF TO IT.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, DOES IT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A WOOD GRAIN?
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>> THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A TEXTURE TO IT.
AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE STANDARDS.
I KNOW ME HAD MENTIONED A METAL SIGN.
A METAL SIGN IS JUST FLAT LIKE WE HAVE FOR OUR DIRECTIONAL SIGNS DOWNTOWN.
I FELT THIS WAS A BETTER NOD TO CRAFTSMANSHIP OF ACTUALLY ROUTING OUT AND HAVING TEXTURES TO THE.
>> I LIKE THE FACT THAT IT HAS RELIEF TO IT THAT MARRIES IT TO THIS ORIGINAL SIGN THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ONE?
>> DO YOU LIVE FOR A 501D STREET? IS OUR SHINE THAT'S THERE IN REALLY BAD SHAPE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT DETERMINATION HAD BEEN MADE, YES.
>> CAN WE THROUGH GPS, CAN WE GO TO THE PECK CENTER AND SEE WHAT THAT SIGN LOOKS LIKE? CAN WE BRING THAT UP SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT'S ACTUALLY EXISTING? I WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT.
IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT THE REPLACEMENT DOESN'T HAVE THE THICK RED BORDER AROUND IT, WHICH I THINK REALLY CAUSES THE EYE TO GO TOWARDS THAT SIGN WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW. I GUESS I'M OLD SCHOOL.
I LIKE THE SIGN WE GOT, BUT COULD WE SEE THE SIGN AS IT EXISTS? IS THAT POSSIBLE? IS MIA PLAYING WITH THE COMPUTER? CAN SHE BRING IT UP?
>> I DON'T KNOW. MIA. IS THAT POSSIBLE?
>> YEAH. I DID PUT UP ON THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> [INAUDIBLE] COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.
>> I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT THE ARGUMENT THAT IT MATCHES WHAT'S AT THE PECK CENTER IS A REALLY GOOD ONE.
WE'RE REALLY A LONG DISTANCE FROM THE PECK CENTER.
WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE CORNER, YOU WANT IT TO BE OUTSTANDING.
TO ME, WHAT I SAW IN THAT PICTURE.
NOW, MAYBE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE ON GPS IS DIFFERENT, BUT IT WASN'T OUTSTANDING IN THE LEAST.
I GUESS THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
>> YEAH. I THINK THEY WERE WANTING TO CALL UP THE PECK SIGN. CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> OR IT COULD BE THE RECREATION.
>> DOES THE NEW SIGN SAY THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS?
>> KATHY, WE PULLED UP THE PECK CENTER HERE AND IT HAS THAT BROAD RED BORDER ON IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WAS TAKEN.
THAT MIGHT BE AN OLD [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WAS TRYING TO BUT YOU WERE FASTER THAN ME.
>> DO YOU THINK THAT'S BEFORE IT WAS REPLACED ME?
>> HOW MANY FACILITIES HAVE THIS TYPE OF A SIGN IN THE CITY, WOULD YOU KNOW?
>> ELM STREET SHOULD HAVE ONE, AND I'M TRYING TO PULL IT UP ON MY TABLET RIGHT NOW.
>> WE'RE TALKING LIKE SIX OR 46.
>> MIA IS TRYING TO GET THERE NOW.
MIA HAS THE MOST CURRENT SIGN FROM PECK CENTER.
IT'S LIKE A RAISE RELIEF WITH THE RED.
WE COULD ALWAYS ASK OUR VENDOR IF THEY CAN MAKE IT WIDER.
BUT AGAIN, THEY WERE TRYING TO DO CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY'VE DONE FOR US IN THE PAST.
>> THEY HAVE AT THE UNDERNEATH ON PECK, THEY ADDED SINCE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT CITY OFFICES THERE. THEY LET IT KNOW.
I KNOW ON THIS ONE, I WAS GIVEN DIRECTION TO REMOVE THE CHAMBERS BECAUSE WHAT IF ONE DAY, THE CHAMBERS DO MOVE FROM HERE, I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE A BIG VOID, PLUS THAT ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE BURIED IN THE GREENERY WE HAVE UP FRONT.
I'M TRYING NOT TO MAKE THE SIGN TOO MUCH HIGHER THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW AND MAINTAIN THE EXISTING.
>> YES, MA'AM. THAT ONE IS VERY TALL.
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ANY MORE COMMENTS? PLUS A PUBLIC HEARING.>> I THINK THE THICKER RED BORDER DOES LOOK BETTER.
>> WITH THE COMMENT THAT IT HELPS DRAW YOUR EYE TO IT.
I'D SEE IF THEY COULD THICKEN UP THAT BORDER, AND THEN DEFINITELY IF WE CAN ARTICULATE THE POSTS TO MATCH WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
>> THE POST, I'D HAVE TO CHECK ON THE BOARD. I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T MAKE THESE SIGNS [INAUDIBLE].
>> BUT IF THIS CASE GETS CONTINUED TO SEE IF IT CAN HAPPEN.
DOES THAT WORK OR HAS THAT SIGN ALREADY BEEN PRODUCED?
>> I KNOW THEY STARTED, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT STATE THEY ARE IN.
>> WHAT'S OUR PLEASURE? DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE THIS TO SEE WHAT CAN HAPPEN WITH THOSE BORDERS?
I JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT RED BORDER. I'M SORRY.
>> WHAT IF WE MAKE THAT A CONDITION? THEN IT'S NOT CONTINUED? THEN IF FOR SOME REASON, THEY CAN'T, THEY WOULD HAVE TO.
>> THAT'S SEEMS TO BE THE DIRECTION THESE GUYS ARE GOING? JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> JUST SPEAKING TO THE DIFFERENT MATERIALS AND WHATNOT.
IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I THINK THE GOAL IS TO MOVE TOWARDS STANDARDIZATION AND CONSISTENCY WITH THE BRANDING.
WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP, FIDDLING WITH DIFFERENT THINGS EACH TIME.
IF WE CAN ESTABLISH A STANDARD FOR ALL OF THE SIGNS MOVING FORWARD, THEN.
>> IN FACT THAT'S WHAT HAS BEEN ON THE PLATE FOR THE CITY TO DO SUCH A THING.
IF WE WERE TO ASK THEM TO DO THE RED BORDERS, THAT WOULD BE NONSTANDARD FOR THE CITY.
>> BUT FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT?
>> CORRECT. DO I HEAR A MOTION OF ANY KIND? COME ON, GUYS.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION, BUT I'LL ADD THE CONDITION THAT THE RED BORDER BE WIDEN TO MATCH WHAT THE EXISTING SIGN SHOWS AND THAT THE [NOISE] SUPPORTING FOUR BY FOUR POSTS HAD TOP RENDERED TO MATCH THE EXISTING.
>> YOU HAVE TO SAY ALL THAT OTHER.
>> JUST LOOKING FOR ACKNOWLEDGMENT.
[OVERLAPPING] I DON'T WANT TO READ ALL THAT AND NOBODY VOTE FOR IT.
I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC 2025-0020, WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE SUPPORTING FOUR BY FOUR POSTS HAD THE TOPS RENDERED TO MATCH THE EXISTING SIGN, AND THAT THE RED BORDER BE WIDENED TO MATCH THE EXISTING SIGN.
I MOVE THAT HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE HDC 2025-0020, AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
>> WE ARE CITY CRA [OVERLAPPING].
>> CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> MEMBER [INAUDIBLE] SCHALLER?
>> THANK YOU, CAVIN. CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL STAFF, CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL.
[7. STAFF REPORT]
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE? EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THAT.WE ARE NOW AT THE PEG LEG PETE STRUCTURAL LETTER UPDATE.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT, AND THEN I HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT ITEM.
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>> [NOISE] I'M LISA FINKELSTEIN, DOWNTOWN DISTRICT MANAGER.
JUST AN UPDATE ON P AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE PIRATES CLUB ON THIS PROJECT.
WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM GILLETTE AND ASSOCIATES, AND ENGINEERING ASSESSMENT OF THE STATUE.
HE HAS RECOMMENDED THAT EITHER THE STATUTE BE FENCED OR REMOVED SO THAT IT IS NOT ABLE TO BE CLIMBED UPON.
WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW AT THE OPTIONS TO REMOVE IT BECAUSE AT THIS POINT WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED WHETHER IT WILL BE RESTORED OR REPLACED.
WE DO HAVE A LETTER FROM THE MUSEUM THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT IT.
THEY HAVE A PLACE TO PUT IT THAT IS UNDERCOVER.
THEN OUR NEXT STEP WOULD REALLY BE TO WAIT UNTIL THE PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE MAKES ITS WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THAT IS IN PROCESS NOW, SO IT'S POSSIBLE THEN THAT WE COULD LOOK AT OPTIONS TO GET APPROVAL FOR THE NEW STATUTE OR FOR A DIFFERENT STATUE.
OR IN THE MEANTIME, LIKE I SAID, WE WOULD RE-EVALUATE THE RESTORATION.
FOR NOW, THE ONLY UPDATE IS REALLY THE TWO LETTERS THAT WE HAVE APPROVAL TO MOVE IT AND A RECOMMENDATION TO [OVERLAPPING].
>> RECOMMENDATION THAT WE NOT ALLOW PUBLIC INTERACTION. THIS IS A STATUTE?
>> QUESTION ABOUT THE PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU KNOW OF IT.
BUT IS IT GOING TO HAVE CRITERIA THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT QUALITIES OF PUBLIC ART NEED TO POSSESS?
>> REGARDING THE ENGINEERING PIECE OF IT?
>> ACCORDING TO OUR ENGINEER, WHEN WE HAD THIS ASSESSMENT DONE, THERE ARE NO REAL STANDARDS FOR THAT.
ART IS ART, AND THERE AREN'T REALLY ENGINEERING STANDARDS FOR IT.
THE ONLY ASSESSMENT THAT COULD BE MADE ON THIS STATUTE IS REALLY BECAUSE OF THE DETERIORATION THAT HAS OCCURRED AND THE STABILITY OF IT.
REGARDING A NEW STATUE, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING.
WE ASKED HIM, COULD HE ASSESS THAT AHEAD OF TIME, THERE'S NO STANDARDS.
>> WHEN YOU REFER TO THE ORDINANCES MAKING ITS WAY THROUGH, THAT'S THE ORDINANCE THAT TALKS ABOUT GIFTS GIVEN TO THE CITY?
>> NO. THERE IS AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE REGARDING PUBLIC ART AND IT WAS [OVERLAPPING] EXACTLY.
THIS IS THE APPLICATION WITH, ALL OF THE RULES AND PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES THAT WOULD BE FOLLOWED.
THIS HAS MADE ITS WAY THROUGH THE PARKS AND REC, AND THEN THROUGH THE SPECIAL EVENTS COMMITTEE.
IN A LOT OF WAYS, IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS IN PLACE WHEN THE NASSAU COUNTY COUNCIL ON ARTS AND CULTURE WAS REVIEWING THESE APPLICATIONS.
>> WITH THAT ORDINANCE, THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY THING TO GUIDE WHERE THIS ART IS.
THERE'S A BULL ON CENTER STREET.
>> THERE IS A PRE-APPROVED LOCATION LIST THAT IS REFERENCED IN WHAT IT HAS BEEN DRAFTED.
MY POINT THOUGH IS THAT ANY HOME, ANY BUILDING, ANY PROPERTY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMES HERE.
>> THERE'S NOTHING STATING THAT IN THE PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE FOR ANYTHING DOWNTOWN, IS THERE?
>> YES. IT WOULD FOLLOW THE SAME RULES AS THESE PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE HEARING TONIGHT.
IF THERE WAS AN APPLICATION FOR PUBLIC ART THAT WAS WITHIN THE HDC OR THE CRA, IT WOULD COME TO YOU AS A BOARD, AS THE FIRST STEP.
IF IT WAS IN ANY OTHER PART OF THE CITY, IT WOULD GO THROUGH PAC, THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COUNCIL, AS THE FIRST STEP.
THEN THERE WOULD BE ALSO A REVIEW BY THE NASSAU COUNTY COUNCIL OF ARTS AND CULTURE,
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AND THEN IT WOULD ULTIMATELY GO TO COMMISSION.>> THE NEXT LARGE ANIMAL THAT WANTS TO BE PLACED, ON CENTER STREET, WOULD BE BROUGHT HERE.
>> BUT ISN'T THERE ALSO A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN TEMPORARY?
>> ON YEAR OR MORE OR ONE YEAR OR LESS.
>> HE WAS A TEMPORARY INSTALLATION FOR ONE YEAR OR LESS, AND THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE US.
>> THAT HAS DIFFERENT RULES, AND I'M NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> WITH THE APPLICATION TO KNOW [OVERLAPPING].
>> DID I START SEEING THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT.
LIKE AT THE LIBRARY, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PUT UP AND THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE HERE.
>> NOW, I WOULD GO ON RECORD AS REQUESTING THAT ANYTHING, WHETHER IT'S TEMPORARY OR NOT BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S DEFINITION OF TEMPORARY IS DIFFERENT AND FERNANDINA IS
>> WELL, THIS IS DEFINED THOUGH, TEMPORARY IS LESS THAN A [OVERLAPPING].
>> EVEN IF IT'S TEMPORARY, LESS THAN A YEAR IS STILL, 364 DAYS, AND IT'S A LONG TIME TO HAVE SOMETHING STANDING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT'S NOT RIGHT FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I WOULD REQUEST THAT THAT BE LOOKED AT.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR LISA? THE PLAN WOULD BE TO GIVE YOU UPDATES UNTIL WE'RE READY TO BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU.
>> TO SUMMARIZE WHAT YOU'VE SAID, THE STATUTE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN STATED PRETTY UNSAFE AND RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE TO MAKE IT SAFER.
YOU ALSO HAVE THE MUSEUM WILLING TO TAKE IT IF THE CITY DETERMINES THAT THEY WANT TO REMOVE IT.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING NEW YET TO COME IN.
>> WE HAVE TO CONTINUE OUR WORK WITH THE PIRATES CLUB, AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY WANT TO GO WITH THIS FOR THE NEXT STEP.
BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN, AS YOU KNOW, DRIVEN BY THEM FROM WHEN WE GO BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS, THEY HAD BROUGHT THIS FORTH ONCE THEY HAD THE NEW SCULPTURE MADE, SO WE'VE BEEN HELPING TRYING TO HELP THEM ALONG.
>> WHAT I READ IN THE REPORT, THE WAY TO MAKE IT SAFER IS TO PUT A FENCE AROUND IT OR REMOVE IT?
>> THOSE WERE THE ONLY TWO CHOICES THERE.
>> WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO WEIGH IN ON THAT TONIGHT.
>> WE'RE JUST BEING GIVEN AN UPDATE.
>> BECAUSE OUR ROLE IS PURELY WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
>> THANK YOU. I HAVE REQUESTS TO SPEAK HERE, BOBBY BROWN JUNIOR, I THINK HAS MAYBE LEFT.
>> JAQUELINE STEVENSON, 83 OAK GROVE PLACE.
I'VE RESEARCHED A LOT, AND I'VE READ THROUGH MASSIVE EMAIL STRINGS BECAUSE I LIKE TO KNOW ALL THE INFORMATION UP FRONT.
IT'S NOT TO CALL ANYBODY OUT, BUT I'M GOING TO BE VERY FORTHRIGHT WITH ALL OF YOU.
IF YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT ME, I DON'T BEAT AROUND THE BUSH [LAUGHTER].
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SET THE PRECEDENT RIGHT NOW MOVING FORWARD THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE NOT GOING TO TOLERATE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE STATUE.
READING THAT THEY HAVE TOTALLY DISREGARDED THE CITY, WHAT THE SPECIALIST HAD RECOMMENDED TO THEM, AND I E MAILED ALL OF YOU.
I'M HOPING YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE EMAIL AND THE ESTIMATE THAT I PROVIDED, WHICH IS FROM AN EXPERT, AND JEREMY TOLD ME HE WAS GOING TO GET AN EXPERT OPINION FROM THE OTHER COMPANY THAT NEVER GAVE US AN ESTIMATE, WHICH THE PAPER SAID IT WAS 24,000, EVERY EMAIL SAID IT WAS 28,000, MY ESTIMATE SAID 16,000 SOMETHING.
BIG DIFFERENCE. RESTORING THE STATUE IS NOT GOING TO BE AN EASY FEAT, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THE CITY OWES TO OUR CITIZENS.
I THINK THEY NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DROPPING THE BALL, AND LETTING THE ARTIST DOWN AND LETTING ALL OF US DOWN.
BECAUSE THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE YOUNG ARTIST, AND HE GAINED A LOT OF BENEFIT FROM WHAT HAPPENED.
HE LEARNED HOW TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF THE NEWS, HE WAS INTERVIEWED MANY TIMES.
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I'M INTERESTED IN HIS ARTWORK NOW.I HAD A CHANCE TO GET TO KNOW HIM MORE, AND HE AND I ARE GOOD, AND I THINK AS AN ARTIST, HE NEEDS TO LEARN THAT CRITICISM COMES AND ART IS SUBJECTIVE, AND NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO FAVOR ART.
JUST LIKE YOU'RE THE BOARD HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE DECISIONS WHICH ARE VERY TOUGH, AND I VALUE ALL OF YOUR EXPERTISE.
I'VE READ, AND I'M LEARNING MORE ABOUT YOUR BOARD AND THE HISTORY OF FERNANDINA BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME TO YOU.
TEN FEET STANDING AWAY FROM THE STATUE IS PRESERVE AMERICA.
WELCOME TO FERNANDINA BEACH, A PRESERVE AMERICA COMMUNITY.
THIS IS TEN FEET AWAY FROM THE STATUE.
THAT BEGAN, GEORGE BUSH, I'M SURE YOU ALREADY KNOW, IN 2017, MORE THAN 900 COMMUNITIES REPRESENTING ALL 50 STATES AND SO ON, HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED AS PRESERVE AMERICA COMMUNITIES, AND I LOOKED AND FERNANDINA BEACH IS INDEED ON THAT REGISTER.
STILL, I WON'T GO INTO THE DETAILS BECAUSE I KNOW THE MEETING IS RUNNING LATE.
HOWEVER, THE BACKGROUND OF HOW THINGS HAPPEN WITH THE CITY, I'M LEARNING, AND AS A CERTIFIED PROPERTY MANAGER, I ALSO HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THE HOTEL INDUSTRY, THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY, MARKETING, AND I ALSO HAVE AN ACC.
I'M AN ASSOCIATE CERTIFIED COACH FOR THE INTERNATIONAL COACH FEDERATION AND A CERTIFIED WELLNESS COACH.
I KNOW BEHAVIOR, AND I KNOW BEHAVIOR EVEN LIKE WITHIN A CITY.
WHAT MOTIVATES CHANGE SOMETIMES TAKE SOMEONE LIKE ME TO GET THE MAGNIFYING GLASS AND DO SOME HARD WORK AND CALL PEOPLE OUT ON IT.
BECAUSE MOTIVATING CHANGE FOR SOME DOESN'T COME UNLESS THEY'RE ALL OF A SUDDEN, OH, IT'S A PROBLEM NOW, OR OH, WE DROPPED THE BALL ON THIS OR WHATEVER.
I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE STATUE CAN BE RESTORED.
THE BOTTOM OF THE BASE IS SOLID.
I WAS THERE WITH HIM AND WE CHECKED IT.
THE UPPER PART OF IT IS FRAGILE.
HE SUGGESTED WE REMOVE THE STATUE AND BEGIN AT THE BOTTOM, THE BASE.
I EVEN THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE WE COULD PUT IT IN BRETT'S WATERWAY CAFE WHILE THEY WORK ON IT, BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE TO COME AND GO, AND THEN WE COULD DETERMINE THE REST OF IT AND HOW IT'S GOING TO UNFOLD.
BECAUSE ONCE THAT PAINT STARTS COMING OFF, IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME DETAIL WORK BY AN ARTIST.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE CHOOSE, SHOULD THIS COME BY YOU AGAIN FOR THE COA, AND THIS MOVES FORWARD WHERE YOU SERIOUSLY CONTEMPLATING RESTORING IT, SO WE CAN KEEP IT OUTDOORS.
BECAUSE THE METHOD HE'S USING WILL PETRIFY THE WOOD THAT WE USE EXPERIENCED ARTISTS AND WE COMMUNICATE WITH THE COMPANY WHO'S DOING THE RESTORATION.
WE KNOW WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THE STATUE AND THE EVOLUTION OF THE STATUTE IN THE FUTURE.
ONE MORE THING, I EXPECT TO SEE A SECOND BID FROM THE CITY, I EXPECT TO SEE EVEN A THIRD.
YOU SHOULDN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT GETTING MORE OPINION.
AND I TOOK EVERYTHING YOU SAID ABOUT THE MOISTURE READING TO HEART, AND I READ ON IT, BUT I ALSO MET WITH SOMEBODY, I WAS OUT THERE PHYSICALLY AND WE WERE DIGGING, I MEAN, HE HAD TO TEST THE WOOD, AND WE DID THAT.
I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF ALL OF IT.
WE ARE GOING TO HOLD THE CITY ACCOUNTABLE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
WE WANT THE STATUTE RESTORED OUTSIDE.
IF I HAVE TO GATHER A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE AND WE KEEP MOVING THIS FORWARD, I WILL.
THEN LASTLY, I WANT TO ASK YOU, WILL PARKING METERS COME BEFORE YOU ASKING FOR A COA TO BE INSTALLED DOWNTOWN?
>> THAT QUESTION IS ONE THAT I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN ANSWER BECAUSE WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, MR. PIZZETA, WHO WILL BE WORKING WITH THE CITY.
AGAIN, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT OUR ROLE TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD DO IT OR NOT DO IT, BUT TO SAY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
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>> IF IT'S GOING TO BE DONE WOULD BE OUR ROLE.
>> THOUGH THAT PART OF IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE US.
>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE, SHE'S LEFT NOW, THE DIRECTOR, BUT SHE DIDN'T MENTION A PROPOSAL, AND JEREMY HAD MENTIONED IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO GET A SECOND OPINION ON IT, ALSO, AT LEAST A THIRD BEFORE ANYBODY MAKES DECISIONS.
BUT CONSIDER MAYBE MOVING HIM TO PROTECT HIM EVEN TO THE SHRIMP RESTAURANT AFTER THEY MOVE OUT OR BRETT'S OR SOMEWHERE CLOSE.
>> TO PROTECT IT AND PRESERVE IT FROM HARM.
>> MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MS. MARIAN PHILLIPS.
>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. MARIAN PHILLIPS, I LIVE AT 724 SOUTH 6TH STREET.
MR. BROWN WAS HERE IN THE HALLWAY.
I SAW HIM WHEN I WENT TO THE RESTROOM.
HE WANTED TO STAY, SO HE COULD TELL YOU WHAT HE WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ABOUT PEG LEG PETE.
I MADE A POST ON MY FACEBOOK PAGE ABOUT PEG LEG PETE.
I'M A PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHER.
I PHOTOGRAPHED HIM SEVERAL TIMES.
I HAVEN'T CHECKED LATELY, BUT THE LAST TIME I CHECKED THAT THING, IT HAD 900 HITS ON IT, AND A LOT OF COMMENTS POSITIVE ABOUT SAVING IT.
I DO KNOW ABOUT THE RESTORATION.
I WAS THERE IN THE MUSEUM WHEN BILLY TAYLOR AND GEORGE JERNIGAN WERE WORKING ON HIM.
I'VE REACHED OUT TO GEORGE WHO LIVES IN GEORGIA.
I'M WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM HIM.
GEORGE ACTUALLY PUT REBARB IN THE BOTTOM OF IT.
FROM THE FEET, BOTH FEET HAVE REBARB ALL THE WAY TO THE HIP.
PEGLOR PETE IS NOT GOING TO FALL OVER.
I DO KNOW THAT CHILDREN LIKE TO CLIMB ON HIM.
I THINK IN MY OPINION, A LITTLE SIGN NEEDS TO BE MADE, A LITTLE ONE, NOT A BIG ONE, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE VERY BIG, THAT SAYS, ''PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW CHILDREN TO CLIMB.'' I THINK OUT OF RESPECT, PEOPLE WOULD, FOR THE MOST PART, DO THAT.
I THINK PUTTING A FENCE SURROUNDING MS. TACKY, FENCES ARE JUST TACKY.
I DON'T CARE WHERE THEY'RE AT, THEY'RE TACKY. I DON'T LIKE THEM.
ALSO, MY OPINION, AND THIS IS THE POST THAT I MADE.
IS THAT PEG LEG PETE IS, LIKE YOU TALKED MISS PHILKOF EARLIER ABOUT THE EGMONT HOTEL.
I KNOW WHERE SOME OF THE BRICKS ARE.
SMILEY LEE GOT THE BRICKS OUT OF THAT.
THERE ARE BRICKS AROUND THIS CITY.
THERE ARE BRICKS IN THE STREET OF CENTER STREET, ALSO. IT'S VERY SPECIAL.
THE WOOD THAT THAT PIRATE WAS MADE OUT OF IS VERY SPECIAL, JUST LIKE THE EGMONT.
I GRADUATED '79, 50 YEARS AGO, COMING UP. THAT'S HOW OLD IT IS.
ANYWAY, MY IDEA WAS AT THAT TIME, SOUTHSIDE ELEMENTARY IS ACTUALLY WHO NAMED PEG LEG PETE.
THE CHILDREN THERE, THEY'RE ADULTS NOW.
MY IDEA IS TO FIX HIM, AS MR. STEVENSON HAS JUST TOLD YOU, IT CAN BE RESTORED.
RESTORING, LEAVE HIM RIGHT WHERE HE'S AT, AND THEN THE NEW PIRATE PUT HIM BESIDE HIM AND LET THE CHILDREN NAME HIM AND LET THEM COME UP WITH A STORY HOW HE ARRIVED ON THIS ISLAND.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE FITTING.
FOR THE MOST PART, THE PEOPLE ARE LOVING IT.
I'M TELLING YOU IT WAS OVER 900 HITS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY IT IS NOW.
I'M GOING TO GO LOOK WHEN I GET HOME.
BUT WOULDN'T THAT BE A TREMENDOUS STORY? FIFTY YEARS AGO, PEG LEG PETE, HE EMERGED HERE ON THE ISLAND.
HE REPRESENTS FERNANDINA BEACH AS A PIRATE.
NOW, EITHER HIS BROTHER, HIS UNCLE, OR MAYBE A SHIPMATE THAT WAS ON THE PIRATE SHIP WITH HIM, HAS LANDED HERE AND WANTS TO BE WITH HIS SHIPMATE.
A STORY THAT THE CHILDREN COULD CREATE AND NAME.
NOW, DOESN'T THAT SOUND LIKE A WIN WIN? EVERYBODY GETS PEG LEG, AND EVERYBODY GETS THE NEW PIRATE, WIN WIN.
ANOTHER THING, IF HE CANNOT BE RESTORED, HE NEEDS TO BE WHERE HE'S AT.
I'VE SAID THIS AT THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING, SOME KIND OF PLEX GLASS.
I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT A BUILDER.
I DON'T KNOW THAT STUFF, OR BUILT A LEAN TO SOME KIND OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD PRESERVE HIM, SO THE WATER IS NOT HITTING HIM ALL THE TIME.
IF THEY'D DONE WHAT BILLY TAYLOR TOLD HIM TO DO WHENEVER WE RESTORED HIM, THE PIRATE CLUB RESTORED HIM, HE SAID TO PUT COPPER ON THE TOP TO KEEP THE BIRDS FROM PECKING, AND SO THE WOOD WOULDN'T GO THROUGH, NOBODY LISTENED.
I'M ASKING Y'ALL TO DO WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO TO PRESERVE PEG LEG PETE.
BECAUSE THE CITIZENS ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING.
THERE'S TOO MUCH GOING ON IN THIS CITY, Y'ALL.
I'M GOING TO COME UP HERE IN A FEW MINUTES AND I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT PAID PARKING.
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I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT ELSE DID I PUT ON MY LIST, BUT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT, CAUSE I'VE STAYED HERE FOR THE RATION OF THIS MEETING. MA'AM?>> ATLANTIC SEAFOOD. THAT'S A BIG DEAL, TOO.
THAT'S ALMOST AS BAD AS THE EGMONT.
YOU KNOW? I'M ASKING YOU ALL TO PLEASE DO SOMETHING FOR THE CITIZENS IN PRESERVING [OVERLAPPING].
>> JUST TO CLARIFY AGAIN, OUR ROLE WHEN IT COMES TO PEG LEG PETE AND WHEN IT COMES TO PAID PARKING.
>> WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.
>> I KNOW THAT, BUT I'M ON RECORD SAYING WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY.
>> THE MAIN THING IS ATLANTIC SEAFOOD, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT TONIGHT IT GETS MY TURN.
>> WHEN DO I GET TO TALK ABOUT THE ALANA?
>> [OVERLAPPING] HOLD ON A SECOND. I'M TRYING TO SEE IF DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO TALK ABOUT PEG L P?
>> YES, MA'AM. I DO KNOW THAT.
[8. PUBLIC COMMENT]
SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO YOUR COMMENTS.>> MARIANNE PHILLIPS, I LIVE AT 724 SOUTH SIXTH STREET, FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA.
I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ATLANTIC SEAFOOD.
I'M HOPING I DON'T GET UPSET AND START CRYING BECAUSE IT'S VERY EMOTIONAL FOR ME.
MY SON'S FATHER WORKED THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
WHEN MIKE LEE WAS A LITTLE BOY, HE USED TO GO DOWN THERE AND WORK WITH HEIDI.
HE WAS A FISH CUTTER, BUT A MEAT CUTTER BY TRADE.
IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR MIKE WORKING DOWN THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD, ME AND MIKE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUY OUR FIRST HOME.
MIKE MADE ME STAY HOME TO TAKE CARE OF WYATT WHEN WYATT WAS BORN, AND HE WORKED DOWN THERE.
I KNOW THAT BUILDING'S IN BAD SHAPE.
IT WAS BAD SHAPE WHEN MIKE WAS WORKING THERE.
I KNOW ALL ABOUT THAT BUILDING.
IN MY OPINION, I'VE HEARD FROM MISS FERRE, ONE OF THE IDEAS IS TO LEAVE THAT FACADE, LIKE IT IS, FIX THAT WOOD, WHATEVER YOU'VE GOT TO DO.
TAKE THAT BACK PART OFF AND LET PEOPLE HAVE ICE FOR THEIR BOATS, DRINKS OR WHATEVER, BACK IN THE BACK.
IT NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THIS CITY.
THERE'S NOTHING BUT PICTURES AND A FEW PEOPLE THAT MAY BE ALIVE CAN TELL THE STORIES ABOUT IT. I'M FROM HERE.
MY SON HOPEFULLY IS GOING TO COME BACK HERE AND HAVE OUR HOME. IT'S GOING TO BE HIS.
I WANT WYATT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S LEFT.
IT'S KILLING ME THAT ATLANTIC SEAFOOD IS GOING TO BE TORE DOWN.
IT'S GOING TO KILL ME IF THAT HAPPENS.
I DON'T KNOW IF MIKE'S MEMORIES ARE IN THERE.
THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING IN THERE. I WANT IT.
I THINK THERE WAS A PICTURE OR SOMETHING IN THERE, SOMETHING THAT MIKE LEFT, I WANT IT.
THAT'S WHAT WYATT KNEW WHEN HE WAS LITTLE.
I'M PLEADING WITH Y'ALL DO SOMETHING TO SAVE THE FACADE OF THAT BUILDING SO THAT THE SHRIMPERS AND THE FISHERMEN, THIS IS A WORKING WATERFRONT.
THIS IS REALLY, IN MY OPINION, BEING DESTROYED.
I'VE ASKED FOR THAT NOT TO HAPPEN, AND PEOPLE JUST DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
THEY COME HERE AND JUST CHANGE EVERYTHING.
BUT IT'S A WORKING WATERFRONT.
IF WE COULD PROVIDE ICE AND DRINKS AND STUFF, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF BAIT, SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD GET TO GO OUT IN THEIR BOAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A WIN FOR THE CITY AND PEOPLE WOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT IT.
I'M ASKING YA TO PLEASE DO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TO PRESERVE THAT LITTLE BIT OF FACADE. OKAY?
>> YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT PAID PARKING?
>> I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT PAID PARKING TOO.
MARIANNE PHILLIPS, 724 SOUTH SIX STREET.
I'M ON THE PAID PARKING COMMITTEE.
ONE OF THE ONES THAT GATHERED 1,700 SIGNATURES.
WE COULD HAVE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE IF WE COULD KEEP GOING.
BUT I'M REALLY UPSET ABOUT PAID PARKING.
BECAUSE THIS CITY'S FIXING TO BE DESTROYED WITH PAID PARKING. THERE'S PEOPLE BARKING.
I SAT HERE. IT WAS ALL I COULD DO TO SIT IN MY CHAIR AND LISTEN TO THE MESS THAT WAS GOING ON UP HERE EARLIER.
PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE TALKING ABOUT THEIR TAXES GOING UP. YOU KNOW WHAT? TAXES GOING TO GO UP. I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE.
THEY GOING TO GO UP. WHAT YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT? YEAH. IT AIN'T GOING TO GO DOWN, ESPECIALLY NOT HERE IN FERNANDINA BEACH.
THAT'S NOT TRUE. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MYTHS TRUTHS OUT THERE ABOUT PAID PARKING.
FERNANDINA BEACH, I REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD PAID PARKING WHEN WE HAD THE METERS DOWNTOWN.
I'VE TRIED TO TALK TO HIM. THEY DON'T LISTEN.
MR. GARRITY WROTE A LETTER IN THE PAPER.
I'M GOING TO WRITE HIM A LETTER AND THANK HIM FOR IT BECAUSE I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE.
YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE PAST AND REMEMBER WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST SO YOU DON'T CREATE THE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE.
THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
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I JUST WANT TO KNOW IT'S WRONG FOR THE CITY.YOU TALK ABOUT THE HISTORIC PART OF THE CITY.
MISS FILKOF, YOU SAY, YOU WANT TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC PART OF THE CITY.
THIS CITY WAS NOT BUILT FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING. IT'S NOT BUILT.
WE'RE AN ISLAND. YOU CAN'T GO BUT SO FAR.
THE CHURCHES, THEY DON'T HAVE PARKING LOTS.
WE USED TO HAVE TWO GROCERY STORES DOWNTOWN THAT I REMEMBER, ONE ON CENTER STREET ON THE CORNER, WHERE CHOW IS AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SPANISH RESTAURANT IS ON EIGHTH STREET.
YOU COULD GO TO OASIS, YOU COULD GO TO JEANS AND GET A COKE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THE FOUNTAIN.
THEN YOU HAD THE HABERDASHERY, YOU HAD THE PARTONS, YOU HAD THE SHOE STORES.
PEOPLE CAME DOWNTOWN, SHOPPED AND LEFT.
NOW PEOPLE COME DOWN TO SHOP, LEAVE, GET COFFEE, LEAVE.
IT'S NOT ST. AUGUSTINE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE LAND TO MOVE.
I THINK IT'S WRONG FOR THE CITY, AND I'M ASKING Y'ALL TO DO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO AS A COMMITTEE TO STOP IT.
THINK ABOUT IT AND THINK ABOUT THE CITIZENS THAT HAVE SPOKEN BECAUSE THE CITY COMMISSION DOESN'T LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE, BUT MAYBE THEY MIGHT LISTEN TO Y'ALL.
>> I KNOW, I'M JUST A PEOPLE TOO. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.
THAT'S WHY I LIVE AND GIVE UP ALL MY TIME.
>> BUT I'M AT THESE MEETINGS TRYING TO HELP SAY WHAT I LOVE BECAUSE I LOVE FERNANDINA.
>> THANK YOU, MARIANNE. WE HAVE TWO OTHER SPEAKERS WHO SAID THEY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE DIFFERENT TO TALK ABOUT.
>> MISS MARIANNE, I'M PAUL LAURIE, I LIVE IN SOUTH SEVENTH STREET FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA.
I USE MISS MARIANNE NOW WHEN I GO ON BEFORE I DO MY REAL WORKOUTS, I JUST ROLL HER TAPE AND IT WORKS BETTER THAN THE ROCKY VIDEOS.
I JUST LOVE HER TO DEATH. YEAH. ANYWAY, BACK TO FOCUS.
I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL GIFT THE ROTARIANS GIVEN YOU WITH THE WATER FOUNTAIN, I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
AS FAR AS FUNDING AFTER MAINTENANCE, YOU CAN PROBABLY ASSIGN IT A PAID PARKING SPACE, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FUND THE LONGEVITY OF THAT FOUNTAIN FOR THE REST OF ITS LIFE.
I'LL TRY NOT TO DIGRESS A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH, BUT AS A HISTORIC HOMEOWNER, I'M TRYING TO ALSO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET A SPECIAL CARD BECAUSE FROM MY HOUSE, FOR SOME REASON, I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO AVOID CODE ENFORCEMENT.
IT WAS FITTING WHEN I'M WATCHING A HOME OVER HERE WITH A CHIMNEY AND WE'VE SO PAINFULLY JUST TRIED TO INVEST IN THAT HISTORIC HOME TO PRESERVE IT, AND ALL WE'VE GOTTEN IS ADMIN FEES FROM THE CITY.
IT IS MY LEAD WAY INTO WHY I'M UP HERE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WHEN I LOOK AT ATLANTIC SEAFOOD, AND, MISS MARIANNE, YOU SAID, WE'RE PEOPLE, AND WE ARE.
BUT WE'RE THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THE RULES.
WE'RE THE PEOPLE THAT DETERMINE. I WAS UP HERE.
GOSH, I WANT TO SAY, I DIDN'T WANT TO SPEAK THE OTHER NIGHT WHEN MISS JULIE SPOKE BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE LEASE.
BUT NOW WE'RE IN WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT BUILDING.
AGAIN, YOU TALK ABOUT A CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
I GO AND DIGRESS A LITTLE BIT TO MY HOUSE.
WE LET THAT THING DETERIORATE.
I DON'T THINK WHEN I CAME TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARDS, I DON'T THINK I EVER SAW THE CITY UP WITH ME ONCE TRYING TO ANSWER FOR THAT BUILDING.
I DON'T THINK I EVER EVEN SAW THE CITY UP ONCE ANSWERING FOR THE BRETT'S BUILDING.
THE BRETT'S BUILDING'S GOT MORE SCRAPE AND PAINT THAN I'VE EVER HAD ON THE THOMPSON HOUSE.BUT I'M TRYING TO NARROW THAT DOWN IN FOR MY POINT IS WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL, ICONIC STRUCTURE THAT SITS THERE.
TO MAKE WAY FOR THE NEW FERNANDINA, IT'S SAD, BECAUSE FOR ME AS A HISTORIC HOME OWNER, TO COME UP HERE AND TO PAINFULLY JUST ASK THAT I GOT TO DO THIS REVISION, THAT REVISION, AND GO THROUGH EVERYTHING, BUT WE CAN JUST TOPPLE A STRUCTURE DOWN AND WIPE IT OUT AND PUT IN WHATEVER WE GOT TO PUT IN.
I HOPE YOU DO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE YOU ARE THE BOARD THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, I THINK OR I HOPE OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE HDC SHOULD BE.
NO, OF COURSE, NEVER BY OURSELVES.
I THINK THE BEST DECISIONS ARE NOT EVER MADE BY OURSELVES.
THEY'RE MADE BY OTHER GROUPS AND GROUPS THAT COME TOGETHER AND COLLABORATE.
BUT LIKE MISS JULIE SAID AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING THIS TUESDAY,
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I GUARANTEE WE COULD PULL THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND SAVE THAT STRUCTURE.EVEN IF IT'S JUST THERE AS ITSELF AS A STRUCTURE, IT'S A SYMBOL OF OUR COMMUNITY, JUST LIKE BEHIND YOU MISS ARLENE.
THOSE FLAGS ARE A SYMBOL OF THE HISTORY OF THIS COMMUNITY, WHICH I'VE FALLEN SO IN LOVE WITH.
IT'S WHAT MADE ME FALL IN LOVE WITH IT SO DEEPLY.
BUT WE START TOPPLING STRUCTURES LIKE THAT.
IT'S LIKE WE DON'T FIND WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAINTAINING THAT AND THEN OUR HISTORY JUST GOES AWAY.
I'M WITH MISS MARIANNE AND PROBABLY A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE ALL NEED TO BE, JUST NOT THE HDC ALONE, BUT AS A COMMUNITY, SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, WE NEED TO PRESERVE THAT BUILDING. THAT NEEDS TO.
I JUST CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE GOING OUT OF MY BOAT OR GOING IN THE WATER AND NOT SEEING ATLANTIC SEAFOOD.
I AM GOING TO GO TO PAID PARKING.
I WILL BE QUICK, MISS OLLY, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS WANT TO GO HOME.
I WILL DISAGREE WITH YOU ALL AS A BOARD.
I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY FOR PAID PARKING TO APPROVE IT OR NOT.
WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT SHOWCASE.
BUT WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT AS A CITIZEN AND AS A HOMEOWNER IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING TO OUR STREETS AND WHAT CAN HAPPEN TO OUR STREETS WITH PAID PARKING.
I'M NOT. I'VE BEEN IN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR 30 YEARS, AND I WATCH HOW THINGS HAPPEN, REALLY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT HOW THINGS GET TAKEN DOWN, RESTRUCTURED, REMOVED, WITH DIFFERENT BOARDS.
FOR ME, I WENT, I THINK TO THE PAB BOARD A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, SPOKE TO THE PAB BOARD, AND THEY WERE LIKE, OH, NO, PAUL, NO. WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH PAID PARKING. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
I KNEW RIGHT THEN AND THERE, THAT WAS NOT TRUE.
THEN HENCE, NOW WE'VE GOT AN AD HOC STAKEHOLDER COMMITTEE.
WOW, IT'S WEIRD. THE PAB IS ON THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE.
FOR ONCE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, NOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A STAKEHOLDER SAY IN PAID PARKING.
I KNOW WHERE YOUR AUTHORITY LIES.
>> I'M SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE PAB SAID THAT THEY HAD NO AUTHORITY, BUT NOW THEY'RE ON THE PAB.
YOU THINK THAT ARE ON THIS NEW COMMITTEE? YOU THINK THAT THEY WERE LYING?
>> NO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT. [OVERLAPPING] IT JUST SEEMED AS A CITIZEN FOR ME, IT SEEMED MISLEADING, NOT LYING.
I WALK INTO A PAB MEETING AND ONE OF THE PAB MEMBERS IN 2024 DURING A MEETING WAS TALKING ABOUT PAID PARKING, BROUGHT THE TRIANGLE UP AND EVERYTHING.
IN 2024, EVEN BEFORE PAID PARKING WAS KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC, THEY'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT THE RECTANGLE AREA, IN 2024.
I THINK IT WAS NOVEMBER OF 2024.
I WAS LIKE, OH, THE PAB IS TALKING ABOUT PAID PARKING.
THAT'S WHY I WENT TO A PAB MART.
WHEN I WENT THERE AND I WAS TOLD IT'S NOT IN OUR WHEELHOUSE, I WAS LIKE, OH, OKAY.
THEN NOW HERE'S AN AD HOC COMMITTEE AND THERE YOU GO.
>> BUT WE ALSO ARE REPRESENTED ON THAT.
>> YEAH. OH, NO, AND I'M SURE, MR. JAMES WILL DO A FABULOUS JOB.
BUT HERE'S THE PIECE THAT I'M GOING TO CLOSE WITH.
THEY'RE DESIGNED A CERTAIN WAY.
YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A VOICE IN THAT.
I KNOW THAT. I SEE IT ALREADY.
THIS IS A TWO-WAY STREET, AND WE'VE THROWN PARKING UP ON THIS STREET ALONE, AND YOU CAN ALMOST HARDLY COME OUT OF I KNOW EVERY TIME I PULL OUT OF SEVENTH STREET NOW TO COME UP OVER HERE ON ASH, I HAVE TO REALLY MOVE SLOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO TRAFFIC ON COMING THIS WAY.
WHETHER YOU ALL MIGHT NOT AGREE OR NOT, IT'S REDESIGNING OUR STREETS.
AS MISS MARIANNE SAID, THIS IS A SMALL LITTLE TOWN, EAST COAST TOWN.
IT WASN'T DESIGNED FOR ALL THIS MASS INPUT. GROWTH ELSEWHERE.
GROWTH ELSEWHERE DOESN'T MEAN GROWTH HERE AND IN OUR LITTLE CITY.
AS A HISTORIC HOMEOWNER, AGAIN, I HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF YOU BECAUSE I WAITED.
I WAITED ALMOST THREE MONTHS JUST TO GET TO TALK ABOUT A FIREPLACE.
IT COST ME LIKE 300 AND SOMETHING DOLLARS TO GET THAT APPROVED.
BUT AS A HOMEOWNER, I JUST SIT HERE AND WATCH AND I'M GLAD IT RESOLVED THE PROBLEM BETWEEN THE HARDWARE STORE AND THE FOSSIL PLACE.
BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN, I JUST SEE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT,
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EIGHT OR 10 PARKING SPACES JUST GET CREATED. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?>> THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEVER, UNDER THE CURRENT PROCESSES COME TO THIS BOARD.
>> NO, I KNOW THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE MORE ACCOUNTABILITY ALL THE WAY AROUND.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, MA'AM.
I DID SPEAK AT THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING ON TUESDAY EVENING ABOUT THE GROUND LEASE FOR ATLANTIC SEAFOOD.
>> AT LEAST THE INFORMATION THAT I GOT FROM TIM IS THAT THAT GROUND LEASE, WHICH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, WHICH IS ON THAT PART OF THE WATER FRONT, IT HAD THREE AREAS THAT WERE DESIGNATED.
MR. SALTMARSH GOT AN EXTENSION ON THE LEASE, ATLANTIC SEAFOOD, AND AS WE ALL KNOW, MADE A PROPOSAL TO BUILD ON ONE OF THOSE SQUARES.
I DON'T I THINK THE OTHER TWO SQUARES WERE PULLED BACK, CLAWED BACK BY THE CITY SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE COMMERCIAL.
I'M HOPING THAT COMMISSIONER POYNTER IS RIGHT THAT THAT GROUND LEASE, THE ONE THAT MR. SALTMARSH HAD FOR 28 YEARS WILL NOT COME BACK UP, THAT IT'LL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PARK.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY INPUT ON THAT, BUT IF YOU DO, I HOPE THAT THAT GROUND LEASE NEVER GOES INTO ANOTHER COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
THAT SAID, THE BUILDING THAT WE HAVE THERE IS ICONIC OLD SCHOOL FERNANDINA.
I'VE GONE DOWN THERE AND LOOKED AT IT.
I'LL SAY IT, LIKE I SAID AT THE MEETING ON TUESDAY, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.
BUT TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WE CAN TAKE OFF THE BACK SIDE OF THAT BUILDING, WHICH IS ON THE WEST SIDE.
THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT BUILDING, WHICH THEY WERE USING FOR STORAGE OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY USED IT FOR.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WE COULD SAVE THE INTEGRAL COMMERCIAL BUILDING WHERE YOU WALK IN AND THAT WAS A LITTLE RECTANGLE THAT WE ALL WENT TO FOR SHRIMP AND WHATEVER BAIT ATLANTIC SEAFOOD.
THAT'S AN ICONIC HISTORIC BUILDING.
WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THAT WE WANT TO SAVE WHAT'S HISTORIC IN FERNANDINA, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S MORE ICONIC THAN THAT.
IT'S BEEN PHOTOGRAPHED IN SOUTHERN LIVING, AND I DON'T KNOW.
A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, A LOT OF DIFFERENT MAGAZINES.
I KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS AND HAD PLANS TO TEAR IT DOWN BECAUSE OF THE SEAWALL.
TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE IF THE WEST SIDE OF IT WAS TORN OFF, THAT THE SEAWALL COULD CONTINUE TO BE BUILT.
I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER POYNTER SAID SOMETHING ABOUT WE WERE GOING TO IMPROVE THE BOAT RAMP AND THAT THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE IN THE WAY.
BUT TO ME, I THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS HISTORY? WHAT IS THE HISTORIC WATERFRONT? WHAT IS ICONIC? WHAT IS OLD FLORIDA? WHAT'S LEFT OF OLD FLORIDA? WHAT'S LEFT OF OLD FERNANDINA? I OFFERED AT THE MEETING TO TRY TO PULL PEOPLE TOGETHER SO THAT IF THE WEST SIDE AND THE SOUTH SIDE WERE TAKEN OFF THAT WE COULD REINFORCE THE BUILDING, SO WHERE IT STANDS AT THIS POINT IS THAT A, I DON'T KNOW.
SOMEBODY IN THE CITY BUILDING POINT WAS GOING TO GO DOWN AND LOOK AT THE BUILDING, BUT WE ALL KNOW THE ANSWER TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO FIND WHEN THEY GO DOWN THERE BECAUSE COMMISSIONER ROSS USED TO SAY THAT THAT BUILDING ONLY STOOD THERE BECAUSE TERMITES WERE HOLDING HANDS.
WE KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO DIVE INTO THE DEPTHS OF THAT BUILDING THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DEEMED SAVABLE.
I'M HOPING THAT SOMEHOW YOU ALL WILL HAVE A VOICE.
I'M HOPING SOMEHOW THAT WE CAN PUSH, I DON'T KNOW WHO, THE CITY MANAGER.
I DON'T KNOW WHO, DEFINITELY THE COMMISSION, YOU'RE THE REPRESENTATIVE OF HISTORY FOR OUR CITY, AND I HOPE THAT YOU CAN GET INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE I'M ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT WE CAN FIND PEOPLE THAT WILL HELP STABILIZE THE BUILDING BY BUILDING NEW INTERIOR WALLS, PUTTING LAGS LAG BOLTS THROUGH IT.
WE ALL KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO GET INUNDATED
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WITH WATER IF THERE'S A REALLY HIGH HURRICANE TIDE.IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, IT'S BEEN INUNDATED MANY TIMES.
I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T BUILD SOME CONCRETE SLAB THAT GOES UP THREE FEET AND WE PUT THE ICE MACHINE IN THERE, WE PUT COKE MACHINES IN THERE, WE PUT COFFEE MACHINES.
ANYBODY WHO'S STAYING AT THE MARINA TO GO BUY DRINKS OR SOMETHING, THEY HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE LATINO GROCERY STORE.
THAT'S A LONG WAY TO GO. SEEMS LIKE THAT THE CITY COULD DO THINGS WITH THAT BUILDING.
MAYBE IT COULD BE A SHRIMPING MUSEUM.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT IS THE KIND OF HISTORY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE, AND I HOPE THAT YOU ALL SEE IT WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO GET INVOLVED.
>> I WANTED TO ALSO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE SIGN.
I THINK THAT TO SAY THAT OUR SIGN THAT'S IN FRONT OF CITY HALL HAS TO BECOME PLASTICIZED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IF WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING MORE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE STAFF WANTS US TO MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM.
BUT THIS IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE CAN'T PAINT A FRICKING SIGN BECAUSE IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND NOW WE HAVE TO PLASTICIZE IT? I DON'T GET THAT. WE'RE ALL ABOUT THE HISTORIC NATURE OF BRICKS AND CHIMNEYS AND WHATEVER, BUT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THEM ON CITY PROPERTY TO PUT UP A PLASTICIZED SIGN; THAT'S SAD.
I'M GLAD YOU ASKED TO HAVE THE BORDER EXPANDED TO BEING WIDER.
ANYWAY, I THINK THAT WAS SAD DECISION.
>> I ALSO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT BRETT.
I KNOW THAT BRETT IS GOING TO BE TAKEN DOWN, BUT TO ME, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY, REALLY THOUGHT OUT OF THE BOX, AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT I KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE WALL THAT DIVIDES THE FRONT COMMERCIAL SPACE WITH A RESTAURANT.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THAT IS MOSTLY ON SOLID GROUND, AND IF IT HAS SOME PIERS UNDERNEATH IT, THERE WOULDN'T BE VERY MANY.
I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD TEAR DOWN THE WHOLE BUILDING WHEN THAT IS SUBSTANTIAL AND WE COULD DO SOME STUFF TO MAKE IT.
I DON'T KNOW. IT COULD BE A GATHERING PLACE.
IT COULD BE I DON'T KNOW WHAT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A BIG DECK, BUT WE'VE GOT THIS PARTIAL BUILDING THAT WE CAN SAVE, I JUST WANT US TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX.
IT'S LIKE WE EITHER THINK OF TEARING SOMETHING DOWN AND REPLACING IT WITH NEW OR JUST TEARING IT DOWN.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE THINK OUT OF THE BOX AND WIDEN OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE COULD DO A LOT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY FURTHER BOARD DISCUSSION?
>> DO YOU WANT ME TO UPDATE AS WHAT THE MEETING TODAY WAS?
>> AT THE PAID PARKING MEETING, I'D WRITTEN UP EIGHT OR NINE BULLET POINTS OF QUESTIONS THAT I WANTED TO ASK THEM.
I TRIED TO STAY FOCUSED ON AS YOU'VE BEEN BRINGING UP.
WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK LIKE? THAT WAS THE MAIN FOCUS OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I WAS ASKING, THE POINTS I WAS BRINGING UP.
THEY'D SHOWN A PROTOTYPE OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO SIGN THE LOOK LIKE.
IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT THE ONES WE APPROVED TO UPDATE CENTER STREET WITH.
HOWEVER, THEY'RE LACKING THE BLACK BORDER AROUND [INAUDIBLE].
I DID BRING THAT UP THAT LET'S SEE IF THEY CAN GET CLOSER TO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED FOR USE DOWN THERE.
ONE THING WOULD BE BRINGING IN THAT BORDER AROUND IT.
I ASKED THEM TO LOOK INTO, ARE THERE ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO COMBINE SIGNS, EXISTING SIGNAGE WITH THESE SO THAT WE'RE NOT ADDING SIGNS TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? WHAT'S OUR NET GAIN? LET'S TRY AND KEEP THE NUMBER OF NEW SIGNS TO A MINIMUM.
I ALSO TALKED ABOUT, CAN THEY BRING THE SIGNS DOWN SO THAT MAYBE THEY'RE MORE AT HIP HEIGHT AND JUST ANGLE? INSTEAD OF UP RIGHT IN YOUR FIELD OF VIEW.
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>> SOME MORE LIKE THE MAP SIGNS THAT ARE [INAUDIBLE].
>> YES. EXACTLY. JEREMIAH GAVE A PRETTY THOROUGH PRESENTATION.
BASICALLY, THE WAY IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WILL BE FOUR SIGNS PER BLOCK ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD.
HOPEFULLY THEY CAN REDUCE THAT EVEN.
BUT I ALSO BROUGHT UP MAINTENANCE.
WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THE MAINTENANCE? BECAUSE WHAT IF THE SIGNS START LOOKING BAD AFTER A YEAR OR TWO, AND THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED? HE INDICATED THAT THERE IS AT LEAST THE OPPORTUNITY TO EMBED IN THE CONTRACT THAT THE PARKING COMPANY WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE SIGNAGE AND UPDATE.
THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
>> THERE'S NO METERS, IS THAT TRUE?
ON THE SIGN, THERE WILL BE A QR CODE OR A TEXT.
THERE WILL BE NONE OF THAT STUFF.
IT'LL BE JUST BE THE SIGN DRIVES, EVERYTHING.
THEY'RE STILL GOING OVER THE DIFFERENT INTRICACIES OF WHO HAS TO PAY, WHO DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY.
WHAT DAYS ARE OR TIME PERIODS ARE EXEMPT, ETC.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER MEETING? IS THERE A FOLLOW UP MEETING?
>> I THINK OCTOBER 7TH IS THE COMMISSION MEETING, AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO SET SOMETHING UP AFTER THAT MEETING TO HAVE ANOTHER AD HOC.
THEY'LL [INAUDIBLE] IN ON THE NEW STUFF THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT.
>> THERE'LL BE A WORKSHOP AT 5:00 PM ON OCTOBER 7TH FOR THE COMMISSION TO HEAR THE RESULTS OF WHAT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT.
WE HAVE ASKED THE ONE PARKING PEOPLE TO TRY AND COME TO THE HDC MEETING WHERE THE SIGNS ARE PRESENTED SO THAT THEY CAN HEAR YOUR COMMENTS.
I SPOKE WITH THEM AND I'M SORRY, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, DO YOU MIND, IF I SPEAK? [LAUGHTER]
>> THEY WERE AGREEABLE TO COME AND BEING A FORMER PRIVATE BUSINESS PERSON, I ASKED IF IT WAS GOING TO COST US ANYTHING, AND THEY SAID, NO.
THAT WILL ALL BE SUGGESTED, MORE INFORMATION IS BETTER, AND CERTAINLY WE CAN TALK TO JEREMIAH ABOUT THAT AND TO ONE PARKING ABOUT THAT.
BUT DEFINITELY HAVING THEM HERE SO THEY CAN HEAR SOME OF YOUR IDEAS DIRECTLY ABOUT THE SIGNAGE.
BECAUSE ENFORCEMENT, AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I SPOKE UP FROM THE LEGAL PERSPECTIVE.
THE REASON I ASKED THEM TO BE HERE WHILE THEY'RE HEARING YOUR IDEAS ON THE SIGNAGE IS THERE IS AN ENFORCEMENT ASPECT.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THESE GENTLEMEN HAVE EXPERIENCE, AND I THINK THEY'RE ALL MEN.
THE MEN THAT WE SPOKE WITH THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS WITH THE SAME TYPE OF NO KIOSK, NO METER.
THERE WILL BE SOME REQUIREMENT FOR THE SIGNAGE.
YOU CAN'T JUST PUT THEM HERE THERE AND THEN SOMEBODY SAYS, I DIDN'T SEE IT.
>> I WANTED THEM HERE SO YOU COULD AT LEAST HEAR THAT INFORMATION I'VE ASKED THEM AND WE'LL WORK ON THAT WITH.
IT'LL BE UP TO OBVIOUSLY THE CITY MANAGER.
>> I HAVE MIA, ARE YOU STILL THERE? DID WE LOSE MIA?
>> CAN YOU AT LEAST WAKE UP. [LAUGHTER] MIA, THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR YOU, AND THEN IT'S FOR THE BOARD WHO WAS HERE WHEN WE APPROVED THIS CASE.
THE ANCHOR CHURCH JUST DID THAT REHAB.
ON THE CORNER THERE, I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
ONE OF OUR CONDITIONS WAS FOR THEM TO PAINT THAT BRICK THAT THEY WERE USING A SPECIAL, LIKE A MINERAL BASED OR A WHITE WASH BRICK LIKE THEY USED AT THE MARINA.
MIA YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THIS, BUT I'D LIKE TO CONFIRM THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS USED ON THERE, NUMBER 1.
THEN NUMBER 2, THE MARINA HAS A STAINLESS STEEL THREE INCH BY THREE INCH PLACARD RIGHT AT THEIR FRONT DOOR JAM THAT SAYS THIS BUILDING ONLY MINERAL-BASED PAINTS TO BE USED ON THIS BUILDING.
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GOING FORWARD, IF THERE'S REPAIR COMPANIES IN OR THE MAINTENANCE GUY COMES TO TOUCH SOMETHING UP.I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT PUT ON THAT BUILDING.
THE BIGGER ISSUE THERE IS THEY HAVE FOUR REFRIGERATOR SIZE COMPRESSORS ON THAT FLAT ROOF THAT ARE NOT SHIELDED.
WHEN I WENT BACK TO THE PLANS, THE COMPRESSORS AREN'T ON THE PLANS.
>> YES. THEY THREW ME OFF MY BIKE.
THEY'RE SO BIG WHEN I LOOKED UP THERE.
IT'S NOT JUST LIKE YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR THEM FROM THE NEIGHBOR, FROM THE CHURCH NEXT DOOR.
YOU SEE THEM FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IT'S IN OUR CODE THAT SAYS THEY HAVE TO BE SHIELDED.
[NOISE] MIA, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT FALLS TO YOU OR WHERE THAT GOES.
THEY HAVEN'T CALLED IN THEIR FINAL INSPECTION YET.
I KNOW JOSE WAS THEIR AGENT, SO I CAN ASK HIM TO BRING ME BY AND SHOW ME HOW TO TELL IF IT'S A MINERAL-BASED PAINT.
WHAT THE PLAQUE, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE PUT ON THE APPLICANT OR IF WE CAN FIND THROUGH OUR [INAUDIBLE] TRUST FUND.
I'LL DO A LITTLE BIT OF BRAINSTORMING.
>> THEN AS FAR AS THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOF, I'LL GO BACK AND PLAN TO VERIFY.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON THE PLAN.
>> I'LL WORK OUT WITH THE APPLICANT AND MAKE SURE IT GETS SCREENED APPROPRIATELY.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE TRICKY BECAUSE THERE'S NO PARAPET ON THAT ROOF.
IT'S JUST A FLAT TPO ON TWO SIDES. THAT'S ALL I GOT.
[LAUGHTER] THANK YOU, DEAR. MEETING ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.