[00:00:01] >> MEETING OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH. [1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM] PLEASE CALL THE ROLE. >> SYLVIE. >> HERE. >> MEMBER PAZETA. >> HERE. >> MEMBER SHARAD SHALER. >> HERE. >> MEMBER BURNS. HERE. >> MEMBER KOSAK. >> HERE. >> MEMBER KOSAK IS ABSENT. >> CHAIR FACO. >> HERE. >> VICE CHAIR PAZZETA. >> HERE AGAIN. >> SHE HAS ARRIVED BECAUSE SHE NEEDS TO MAKE A SCENE. WELCOME TO MISS KOSAK. I'LL LET YOU SIT MEMBER KOSAK? >> HI. THANKS FOR WAITING, EVERYONE. THE PARTY CAN BEGIN. PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> >> FIRST ITEM IS TO ANNOUNCE TO EVERYBODY THAT IT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION THAT THERE WILL NO LONGER BE ALTERNATE MEMBERS ON THE HDC. IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD FIVE REGULAR AND TWO ALTERNATES. THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED FUNDAMENTALLY AT THE REQUEST OF THIS BOARD. IT'S DIFFICULT AT BEST TO FIND FOLKS WHO ARE TRULY QUALIFIED IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMUNITY TO SIT UP HERE AND WEIGH IN ON THOSE THINGS. ALL I KNOW HOW TO DO IS BANG THE GAVEL, BUT THESE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. IN TRYING TO FIND THEM AND TELLING THEM, OH, YOU CAN'T VOTE FOR SOME UNKNOWN AMOUNT OF TIME IS DIFFICULT. WE ARE NOW ALL SEATED MEMBERS AND WILL ALL BE VOTING TODAY. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, MISS BURNS. >> I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MISS SADLER REGARDING A PROJECT THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT NOTHING FOR THIS PROJECT NOTHING FOR THIS MEETING SPECIFICALLY. >> MR. SIKOWSKI? >> THE SECOND ITEM ON OLD BUSINESS, I'VE HAD PLENTY OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FIREPLACE CONSTRUCTION, AND WILL BE RECUSING MYSELF FOR THAT CASE. >> MR. PAZETA? >> I SPOKE WITH MISS SADLER ABOUT THE PIRATE STATUE ITEM ON THE AGENDA. I GUESS AN EMAIL WAS SENT BY MISS STEVENSON AND I READ THE E MAIL THAT SHE HAD SENT ALSO REGARDING THE PIRATE STATUTE. >> MISS KOSAK, I SPOKE WITH SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS ON EVERY CASE. >> THANK YOU. >> I'M NOT GOING TO TRY YOUR LAST NAME, HEATHER. >> NO. I HAVE NOT HAD ANY COMMUNICATION. >> I PROMISE I COMMIT TO LEARNING HOW TO SAY YOUR NAME BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. I PROMISE THAT. NOW, SPEAKING BEFORE WE GET STARTED HERE, SPEAKING OF PELEE, I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH MEMBERS OF STAFF. ALSO WITH OUR NEW CITY ATTORNEY WHO IS WITH US TODAY, BY THE WAY, THIS IS TERESA PRINTZ. WELCOME TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MEETING. THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS CASE TODAY. I WILL ASK MISS PRINTZ TO DESCRIBE WHAT HERS ARE AND WHAT SOME OTHERS MIGHT BE. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN. AGAIN, TERESA PRINTZ, NICE TO MEET YOU ALL. I KNOW SOME OF YOU ALREADY. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THIS BOARD. WE'LL ADDRESS PEG LLEG PETE, AND THEN I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE RECUSAL ISSUE TO MAKE SURE WE DO THAT PROPERLY, AND WE HAVE PROPER JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT AND HAVE IT ON THE RECORD IN THE CORRECT WAY IF YOU ARE ELIGIBLE TO RECUSE YOURSELF. BUT AS FAR AS PEG LLEG PETE, VERY LATE TODAY, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER 2025 18, IT'S 5.4 ON THE AGENDA. IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION LATE IN THE AFTERNOON TODAY THAT THERE ARE CREMAINS THAT HAVE BEEN INTERRED INTO PEG LLEG PETE. NOW, IT WAS A CREDIBLE SOURCE, BUT HAVE I, SINCE 330 THIS AFTERNOON? >> MAN KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT'S IN THE BOTTOM OF THAT. [00:05:03] >> WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY IS THAT I THINK MY RECOMMENDATION SO THAT WE CAN GET OUR FACTS TOGETHER, GET OUR INFORMATION. I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO RESEARCH THE APPLICABLE LAWS ON REMOVING IN TURN REMAINS AND TAKING THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'VE BEEN PLACED WITHOUT PERMISSION. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DEFER THIS TO A DATE CERTAIN, WHICH WOULD BE YOUR NEXT HDC MEETING SO THAT WE HAVE TIME TO INVESTIGATE THIS INFORMATION, TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE INFORMATION. I WOULD NOT MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION LIGHTLY, BUT IT CAME TO ME FROM WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE A CREDIBLE AND RELIABLE SOURCE. I THINK WE SHOULD INVESTIGATE IT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO AFFECT. >> EXCUSE ME, SIR. >> THAT'S GOING TO BE MY RECOMMENDATION. AND I SPOKE WITH THE CHAIR AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE EVERYBODY SITTING HERE UNTIL ITEM 5.4, AND THEN HEAR MY RECOMMENDATION. THE BOARD AT ITS PLEASURE, CAN HAVE A CONTINUANCE. IF YOU ARE GOING TO LET PEOPLE SPEAK ON THIS, THEN THE OTHER THING WE COULD DO IS WAIT UNTIL THE AGENDA ITEM COMES UP AND OPEN THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING PROPERLY. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TAKING A LOT OF INPUT IF WE HAVEN'T OPENED THE HEARING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JUST GET TO THIS ITEM, AND THEN WE CAN OPEN THE HEARING, LISTEN, AND IT IS STILL GOING TO BE MY ADVICE THAT WE CONTINUE IT. IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, BUT I WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION. >> WE DO HAVE THREE FOLKS WHO HAVE REQUESTED TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM. AS THE ATTORNEY HAS SAID, WE HAVE NOT STARTED OUR HEARING YET, SO THAT WOULD NOT BE A LEGAL THING TO DO AT THIS POINT. WE WOULD HAVE TO. >> ARREST ASK THAT MAN RIGHT THERE. HE WAS STANDING THERE SIR. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR INPUT. I WOULD LIKE REACTIONS, FROM THE BOARD, ON THE POSSIBILITY OF CONTINUING THIS CASE OR THE POSSIBILITY OF GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA AS IT IS AND HAVING PEOPLE SPEAK. >> I'D SAY, GO THROUGH THE AGENDA, KEEP IT ON THE DOCKET, AND AFTER WE'VE LET PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT SPEAK. WE CAN ALSO DISCUSS AS A BOARD, AND CERTAINLY ASK PEOPLE QUESTIONS, AND THEN IF THE IDEA IS TO CONTINUE TO A DATE CERTAIN, THEN WE CAN DO THAT THEN. BUT PEOPLE HAVE MADE AN EFFORT TO BE HERE TONIGHT, SO THEY SHOULD BE ACKNOWLEDGED. >> ANY OTHER REACTION? >> I WOULD AGREE WITH JIM ON THAT. IF WE CAN SINCE IT APPEARS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ALL THE FACTS HERE AND THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE IT, BUT LET PEOPLE SAY WHAT THEY NEED TO. >> WE LEAVE IT ON THE AGENDA, WHERE IT IS. THAT'S THE DECISION THAT WE'VE MADE, SIR. THANK YOU. [3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES] THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF LAST MEETINGS MINUTES. HAS ANYONE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THOSE MINUTES? ISSUES? >> NO ISSUES WITH IT. >> MOVE TO APPROVE IF THERE'S NO ISSUES. >> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> AYE. >> THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. [4.1 HDC 2025-0004 - SPATOLA CONTRACTING GROUP, AGENT FOR DENNIS BROWN, 913 WHITE STREET FINAL Certificate of Approval (COA) to construct an additional 58 sq. ft. to the second floor northwest elevation and to increase the east side porch by 133 sq. ft. (Quasi-Judicial).] NOW WE'RE ON TO THE OPENING OF OUR QUASI-JUDICIAL MEETING. I'M GOING TO ASK ATTORNEY PRINTZ, AGAIN, TO EXPLAIN THE PROCEDURES FOR A QUASI-JUDICIAL MEETING. YES, MADAM CHAIRMAN. A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING BY STATE AND CASE LAW IS DIFFERENT FROM A REGULAR HEARING CONDUCTED BY A BOARD. THIS BOARD IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD. IT IS LESS FORMAL THAN A COURT HEARING, BUT SIMILAR IN PROCEDURES AND EVIDENCE MATTERS. APPLICANTS HAVE THE BURDEN OF DEMONSTRATING THROUGH COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT HIS OR HER APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS. THOSE OPPOSE MUST DEMONSTRATE THROUGH COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT APPLICATION DOES NOT MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS. WHILE THE BOARD WILL WELCOME COMMENTS FROM ALL WHO HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS PROCEEDING, FLORIDA LAW REQUIRES THAT THE BOARD'S DECISION IS BASED IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL ACTION BE SUPPORTED BY COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO THIS BOARD DURING THE HEARING ON THE APPLICATION. COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IS SUCH EVIDENCE AS A REASONABLE MIND, WOULD ACCEPT AS ADEQUATE TO SUPPORT A CONCLUSION. THERE MUST BE A FACTUAL BASIS ON THE RECORD, TO SUPPORT OPINION TESTIMONY, FROM BOTH EXPERTS OR NON EXPERT WITNESSES, GENERAL OBJECTIONS TO AN ACTION WITHOUT SPECIFIC EVIDENCE DOES NOT CONSTITUTE SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE. THE ONLY MATERIAL OR RELEVANT EVIDENCE IS THAT WHICH ADDRESSES THE STATUTORY OR CODE REQUIREMENTS. [00:10:04] WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THEIR EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. SO EMAIL COMMUNICATIONS RECEIVED UNTIL THE TIME OF THIS MEETING ARE PART OF THE RECORD FOR THE HEARING, BUT THEY ARE NOT WITHOUT MORE INFORMATION, COMPETENCE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. UNDER THE HEARING PROCEDURES, STAFF WILL BE SWORN IN TO DESCRIBE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. THE APPLICANT MAY WAIVE THEIR PRESENTATION AND RELY SOLELY ON STAFF COMMENTS. IF THE APPLICANT WAIVES THEIR PRESENTATION, THEY RETAIN THE RIGHT TO REBUT ANY TESTIMONY AGAINST THEIR APPLICATION. THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT EVIDENCE FOR THE APPLICATION. THEN PUBLIC PARTICIPANTS FOR OR AGAINST THE APPLICATION WILL BE SWORN IN AND HAVE THREE MINUTES EACH TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY AND PRESENT EVIDENCE TO THE BOARD. EXTENSIONS OF TIME MAY BE GRANTED THROUGH THE CHAIR. SHARING OR TRANSFERRING OF TIME IS NOT ALLOWED; PUBLIC PARTICIPANTS PRESENTING EVIDENCE FOR OR AGAINST THE APPLICATION SHOULD ADDRESS THE BOARD AT THE PODIUM AND NOT THE MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. ANY DOCUMENTATION OR PHOTOGRAPHS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE DEPUTY CLERK SITTING OVER HERE, WHEN THE INDIVIDUAL IS TESTIFYING, THE DOCUMENTS WILL NOT BE RETURNED, AND AS THEY WILL BECOME PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.AT THAT, IF ANY APPLICANT HERE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE TIME TO GET COUNSEL AFTER HEARING THESE QUASI-JUDICIALS, YOU CAN SPEAK NOW OR WE CAN CONTINUE AND MOVE FORWARD. DO YOU GENERALLY SWEAR THE MIN, AT THIS TIME? >> YES, WE DO. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ATTORNEY? IF YOU ARE PLANNING TO SPEAK TODAY, PLEASE RISE SO THAT YOU CAN BE SWORN IN. >> >> THANK YOU. ALSO, IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON SPEAKING, THESE FORMS ARE AT THE BACK. IF YOU HAVEN'T FILLED ONE OUT YET, PLEASE DO SO AND MAKE SURE THAT STAFF HAS THIS SO THAT WE CAN ESTABLISH THE RECORD. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, LITTLE, IS IT 2024 OR 2025-0004. I HAVE BOTH HERE. >> IT'S 2025-0004. >> IT IS THE CASE PATO CONTRACTING GROUP AGENT FOR DENNIS BROWN 913 WHITE STREET? >> YES. >> THE APPLICANT HERE? HI. CAN YOU COME UP, PLEASE? WHILE YOU'RE HERE. >> MISS SADLER, COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR STAFF REPOUR? >> YES. I WILL JUST INTRODUCE THIS CASE FAIRLY QUICKLY. WE HEARD THIS BACK IN MARCH FOR THE PROPERTY AT 9:13 WHITE STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO EXPAND THE EXISTING SECOND BY ABOUT 50 SQUARE FEET TO EXPAND THE BATHROOM. THEY ARE GOING TO ALSO INCREASE THE SIDE PORCH BY 133 SQUARE FEET AND SCREEN IT IN. ON THIS SLIDE, ON THE TOP RIGHT, IS THE EXISTING NORTH ELEVATION, AND ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED NEW NORTH ELEVATION. THE BOTTOM LEFT ON THE SCREEN IS THE NEW NORTHEAST PERSPECTIVE. I'VE PULLED SOME PHOTOS OF THE CURRENT HOUSE, AND I'VE ALSO IDENTIFIED ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT THE SIDE PORCH WILL ENCROACH INTO THE MID LOT VISIBILITY CORRIDOR. HOWEVER, THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE CHANGE IN OLD TOWN, AS IT COULD ACT AS A CONNECTING ELEMENT INTO THE FUTURE TO A FUTURE OUTBUILDING. THIS SLIDE DEPICTS THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THE APPLICATION BASED ON THE BOARD'S DIRECTION DURING THE MARCH MEETING. THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED A ROOF LINE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO ADD MORE DETAIL TO THAT DORMER. ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR, THEY HAVE EXTENDED THE EYEBROW ON THE PORCH TO MAKE THE FIRST FLOOR APPEAR MORE SUBSTANTIAL, WHICH ADDRESSES THE BOARD'S CONCERNS FROM LAST MEETING. STAFF FINDS THIS APPLICATION COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE OLD TOWN PRESERVATION GUIDELINES, AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION AND RECOMMENDS FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, MISS SADLER? >> NO. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. YOU ARE? >> I'M STEPHANIE SPITALE, WITH SPITALE CONTRACTING GROUP, 512 SOUTH EIGHTH STREET ON FERNANDINA BEACH. I'M JUST HERE ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT, INNER OF THIS ADDRESS. [00:15:01] >> NOW, WE HAD SENT YOU BACK LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, CORRECT? >> I'M SORRY? >> WE HAD SENT YOU BACK TO MAKE SOME CHANGES LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE. >> WHAT I INCLUDED IN THIS PHOTO WAS THE ORIGINAL, WHAT WAS SENT TO YOU WAS ON THE LEFT, WHICH WAS JUST A PLAIN, FLAT. LOOK, AND SO WE KIND OF TRY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIMENSIONAL AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FEEL, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL, MORE SUBSTANTIAL, I THINK IS WHAT THE FEEDBACK WAS LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS PATO? >> I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN THOSE DESIGN CHANGES, AND THE ROOF PLAN DEFINITION AND THE EYEBROW, IT REALLY HELPS A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD. I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION IN OUR STAFF BOARD DISCUSSION. >> I AGREE, TAMMY. I THINK YOU GUYS REALLY ADDRESSED THE ISSUES THAT WE PUT OUT THERE THAT WE FELT LIKE NEEDED TO BE LOOKED AT WITH THIS DESIGN, AND I THINK IT ENHANCES SIGNIFICANT. >> THANK YOU. >> IS THAT ALL FOR [INAUDIBLE]. >> JUST AGREE WITH BOTH TAMMY AND JIM THAT YOU'VE INCORPORATED ALL THE DESIGN COMMENTS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. >> COMING FROM WHAT YOU WERE STARTING WITH, IT'S JUST A VAST IMPROVEMENT. YOU HAD TO WORK WITH WHAT WAS ALREADY DONE MANY YEARS AGO. WHAT YOU HAVE PUT FORTH IS BETTER THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW. GOOD JOB ON THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> VERY NICE. >> THANK YOU. MORE DISCUSSION. >> ANYTHING? >I HAVE ONE COMMENT FOR MIA. I LOVE THE WAY YOU DO THE SNAPSHOTS IN THE STAFF REPORTS. THE ONLY REQUEST I WOULD HAVE, IS WHEN WE HAVE A REVISION LIKE THIS OR WHEN SOMETHING COMES BACK THAT YOU PUT ANY OF THE NEW PLANS. I ABOUT TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN I PULLED UP THE SNAPSHOTS. THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED A THING. BECAUSE IT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLANS THAT WERE IN THE SNAPSHOT. THEN WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE PLANS, IT SHOWED ALL THE CHANGES. IF THAT'S NOT TOO MUCH TROUBLE, THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. THEN WE CAN SEE SIDE-BY-SIDE WHAT THE CHANGES WERE IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> OKAY. >> OTHERWISE, A GREAT STAFF REPORT. >> THANK YOU. >> THANKS. >> THANK YOU. MY ONLY COMMENT TO THAT WOULD ALSO BE IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THIS REPORT, IT REFERENCES THE 2021 OLD TOWN GUIDELINES, WHICH ARE NOT ACCEPTED YET. MY CONCERN IS THAT AS THIS BEING, I'M PRESUMING IT'S A LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE REFERENCING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ADOPTED YET. I THINK THOSE GUIDELINES WERE WELL WRITTEN AND APPROPRIATE, BUT SINCE THEY'RE NOT ADOPTED YET, I'M JUST NOT SURE THE LEGALITY OF REFERENCING THEM IN HERE THAT A POTENTIAL DESIGN REFERENCES THAT. THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THE DESIGN IS WELL, AND I SUPPORT THAT. >> YEAH. I AGREE WITH YOU, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE AREN'T OFFICIALLY ADOPTED. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE MIRROR THE 2013 GUIDELINES IN CONTENT. I JUST APPRECIATED THE WAY THEY WERE GRAPHICALLY ILLUSTRATED. >> FULLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, YEAH. >> BUT I'LL DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT IN MY STAFF REPORTS. >> GREAT. THANK YOU. >> MIA, COULD WE ALSO MAYBE AT THE END OF THE MEETING, COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT STEP NEEDS TO BE TO GET THOSE MOVING FORWARD? >> YES. >> THROUGH THE PROCESS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. DO I HEAR A MOTION? >> I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2025-0004 WITHOUT CONDITIONS. I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD. THAT HDC CASE 2025-0004, AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LDC, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, AND THE OLD TOWN PRESERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? >> CHAIR, DO WE WANT THE PUBLIC COMMENTS? >> OH, YEAH. SEE I WENT ON VACATION, MY BRAIN WENT TOO. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS IN THE PUBLIC ON THIS PARTICULAR PLAN? OKAY. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> NOW, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL CALL? >> SURE. >> THANK YOU. >> MEMBER KOSAK? >> YES. >> MEMBER PSULKOWSKI? >> YES. >> MEMBER BURNS? >> YES. >> MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? >> YES. >> VICE CHAIR PAZZETA? >> YES. >> CHAIR FILKOFF? >> YES. >> ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT CASE IS HDC 2024-0007, IS THAT CORRECT? [4.2 HDC 2024-0007 - MIRANDA ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR RUTH MAESTRE, 11 S. 7TH STREET 2nd AMENDMENT to a previously issued Certificate of Approval (COA) to add a chimney with flanking windows in the rear of the primary structure. (Quasi-Judicial).] >> YES. >> OKAY. WE HAVE THAT REPORT? >> YEAH. OUR NEXT CASE UNDER OLD BUSINESS IS HDC 2024-0007 AT 11 SOUTH 7TH STREET. THIS CASE IS RETURNING FOR BOARD REVIEW [00:20:02] REGARDING AN AMENDMENT TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED COA. THIS IS THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THIS PLAN, AS THIS IS AN ONGOING RESTORATION PROJECT. THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WHO RECEIVED THEIR PREVIOUS COA IN MAY, 2024, AND IT WAS AMENDED IN DECEMBER OF 2024 TO ADD 230 SQUARE FOOT LAUNDRY AND POWDER ROOM TO THE NORTH SIDE. THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONCERNING A CHIMNEY AND TO ADD FLANKING WINDOWS ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT CHIMNEY. ON THIS SLIDE, I HAVE THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ADDITION PLANS ON THE LEFT AND THE PROPOSED CHIMNEY ADDITION, WHICH WOULD JUST BE ON, I BELIEVE THAT IS THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THEN I'VE PULLED THE ELEVATIONS FROM THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLANS ON THE LEFT AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. THE SAME CASE HERE FOR THE WEST ELEVATION. THE CHIMNEY IS ADDING A LITTLE DETAIL ON THAT FIRST FLOOR PORTION OF THE HOUSE. STAFF FINDS THIS AMENDMENT COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, AND RECOMMENDS FINAL APPROVAL OF THIS AMENDMENT TO HDC 2024-0007. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM MS. SADLER? OKAY. MR. MIRANDA? FIRST, LET ME EXPRESS MY CONDOLENCES AND THOSE OF THE BOARD FOR THE LOSS OF YOUR MOM. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. JOSE MIRANDA, MIRANDA ARCHITECTS THROUGH 9.5 CENTER STREET. WE ARE CONTINUING OUR LIFELONG RELATIONSHIP WITH RUTH AND PAUL ON THE RESTORATION OF THEIR HOME. >> IT WON'T BE FOREVER. >> THIS LATEST VERSION INCLUDES A FIREPLACE AND FLANKING WINDOWS. I CONCUR WITH STAFF'S REPORT, AND IT SEEMS TO MATCH ALL THE DETAIL IN THE HOUSE. I SEE NO ISSUES WITH IT, BUT I'M NOT EXACTLY IMPARTIAL. SO WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MIRANDA? > I WANT TO SAY THERE'S NOT AN EXISTING FIREPLACE THERE. >> THERE WAS, AND, IN FACT, RUTH SUBMITTED SOME PHOTOGRAPHS. >> THE HANGING ONE, YES. >> THE ONE THAT'S UP INSIDE THE CEILING THERE. BUT IT WAS MORE TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE ROOM AND SUPPORTED BY JUST A COUPLE OF CEILING JOINTS. SO IT'S NOT A PERMANENT SOLUTION. >> YOU'RE TAKING ANYONE NOW THAT'S VISIBLE IN EXTERIOR? >> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. >> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. >> JOSE, WHAT'S THE PROPOSED EXTERIOR VENEER? IT SAYS HERE, "THICK BRICK VENEER". >> NO IT'D BE A THIN BRICK. >> THIN BRICK. [OVERLAPPING]. >> NOT A FULL BRICK, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE ROOM TO MAKE THAT, SO IT'D BE THIN BRICK VENEER, YES. >> OKAY. >> ARE YOU USING NEW BRICKS OR CUTTING THE OLD BRICKS? >> WE'LL BE PROBABLY USING NEW TO BE IN THE SAME COLOR FAMILY, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE NEW. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S NEW, NOT LIKE IT WAS DONE 150. >> WELL, THEN YOU'RE NOT DESTROYING OLD BRICKS. >> EXACTLY RIGHT. >> AT THE SAME TIME? >> YEAH. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? >> ALL RIGHT. >> MR. PSULKOWSKI HAS BEEN WORKING WITH YOU ON THIS? >> YES. >> IS THAT WHY HE'S RECUSED? >> YES. >> HE'S THE BUILDER. >> YES. WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS MR. PSULKOWSKI, IF YOU COULD COME TO THE PODIUM, YOU NEED TO ANNOUNCE THE CONFLICT AND THE REASON FOR YOUR RECUSAL, AND WE'LL HAVE A FORM FOR YOU TO FILL OUT OF THE REASON WHY YOU'RE NOT VOTING AND PARTICIPATING. >> THIS IS NEW. >> DYLAN PSULKOWSKI, 17 BEACH STREET. I'M WITH BUILT TO LAST. I'M RUTH AND PAUL LORE'S CONTRACTOR, SO I HAVE SOME FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THIS CASE, THAT'S WHY I'LL BE RECUSING MYSELF. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY BOARD DISCUSSION ON THIS CASE? >> I THINK THE DETAILING, THE SCALE OF THIS IS IN KEEPING WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE. I THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE ELEMENT. I THINK I'M GOING TO VOTE YES ON THIS ONE. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> I'M SURE THIS IS FINE, BUT ON THE CALL OUTS, I DON'T SEE A WINDOW MANUFACTURER OR WHAT THE WINDOWS ARE ON THERE. DO WE KNOW WHAT THE NEW WINDOWS ARE? >> I THINK IT'S IN THE DESCRIPTION MATERIALS. >> IS IT THAT THERE? OKAY. >> THEY'RE NOT ON THE DRAWINGS, YEAH. >> IN THE SCHEDULE. MARVIN? OKAY. WE'RE MATCHING THERE, YEAH? >> YEAH. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. DO I HEAR A MOTION? >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. >> OKAY. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2025-0. >> SORRY, CHAIR FILKOFF. PUBLIC HEARING? >> OH. [LAUGHTER] OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS CASE? [00:25:02] >> YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM US? >> I'M SO SORRY. JUST IT'S AN OLD BRAIN AND IT TOOK SOME TIME. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. NOW WE'LL DO IT, SADLER. >> ALL RIGHT. I MOVED TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2025-0007. I THINK IT'S A 004 IN HERE, BUT WITHOUT CONDITIONS, AND I MOVE THAT HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW. PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE 2025-0007, AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MS. [INAUDIBLE], COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? >> MEMBER BURNS? >> YES. >> MEMBER KOSAK? >> YES. >> MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? >> YES. >> VICE CHAIR PAZZETA? >> YES. >> CHAIR FILKOFF? >> YES. >> ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, SO THAT PASSES. THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE. I'M SURE WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN. OUR NEXT CASE IS HDC 2025-0015. [5.1 HDC 2025-0015 - AMELIA ISLAND PIRATE VOYAGES, 1 N. FRONT STREET FINAL Certificate of Approval (COA) to install a 10'x8' temporary accessory structure for the Amelia Island Pirate Voyages. (Quasi-Judicial).] COULD YOU GIVE US A STAFF REPORT, MS. SADLER? >> YES. HDC CASE 2025-0015. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO PLACE A TEMPORARY TICKET BOOTH ON THE WATERFRONT AT 1 NORTH FRONT STREET TO SUPPORT A BUSINESS AMELIA PIRATE VOYAGES. SINCE IT'S CITY-OWNED LAND, THE PROCESS BEGINS WITH HDC REVIEW. IF IT IS APPROVED AT THIS LEVEL, IT WILL GO TO CITY COMMISSION FOR FINAL APPROVAL. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED TICKET BOOTH ON THE WATERFRONT. IT'S THAT RED BOX WITH THE X THROUGH IT. IT'S NEAR THE EXISTING EMILIA RIVER CRUISES TICKET BOOTH. THEN ON THE RIGHT IS A MOCK UP OF THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE TICKET BOOTH. STAFF FINDS THIS REQUEST COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES, AND RECOMMENDS FINAL APPROVAL FOR HDC 2025-0015. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SADLER? >> I THINK I HAD TWO. THE FIRST QUESTION, AND IT SEEMS APPARENT FROM THAT SLIDE, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT LOSING ANY PARKING SPACES FOR THIS THING. >> NO. >> THE KEY WORD I HEARD WAS TEMPORARY. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY PERMANENT FOUNDATIONS PUT DOWN. IT'LL BE WHEN THEY'RE DONE USING IT, THEY CAN JUST PULL IT UP AND TAKE IT AWAY. >> EXACTLY. IT'S ALL ONE UNIT. IT'S WOODEN FLOORS, BUT [INAUDIBLE] WON'T BE ANYTHING. >> ON THE TIME FRAME, WHAT DEFINES TEMPORARY? IS THERE A DAY LIMIT ON IT? >> GIVEN THE ONGOING REDEVELOPMENT CONVERSATIONS OF THE WATERFRONT, WHENEVER THAT PROCESS IS BEGINNING TO BE UNDERTAKEN, IT WILL BE REMOVED AND REPLACED. >> THAT COULD BE LIKE IN FIVE YEARS? >> I THINK. >> HYPOTHETICALLY? >> HYPOTHETICALLY. >> SO WE DON'T HAVE A HARD AND FAST DEFINITION TO WHAT DEFINES TEMPORARY? >> NO, THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF TEMPORARY HERE. >> ONE OF THE COMMENTS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT ABOUT MECHANICAL IS THAT THERE WOULD BE NO ELECTRICAL, MECHANICAL, OR PLUMBING NEEDS FOR THIS STRUCTURE? >> UH-HUH. >> THIS LITTLE METAL BUILDING IS GOING TO BE SITTING THERE IN THE SUN WITH NO AIR CONDITIONING? >> THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE APPLICATION. >> I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? >> I BELIEVE SO. >> YES. HI. >> HI. COULD YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? >> ERIK ANDERSON. I'M THE OWNER OF AMELIA ISLAND PIRATE VOYAGES. MY ADDRESS IS 96314 GLENWOOD ROAD. TO CLARIFY, WE ARE REQUESTING THE ABILITY TO HAVE SOME ELECTRICITY THERE IN ORDER FOR LIGHTS AND ABLE TO POTENTIALLY CLIMB AND CONTROL THE SMALL TICKETING OFFICE. THERE IS ACCESS TO A CHASE WITH THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRICAL THAT WE NEED AT THE LIGHT POLE THAT'S RIGHT ADJACENT TO US, S O I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE THE BEST LOCATION FOR US TO HIGH END THERE. >> WOULD YOU HAVE A METER? >> THAT I DON'T KNOW, BUT IF IT'S NECESSARY, WE WOULD, OR IF THERE'S A WAY TO STRUCTURE IT IN A WAY THAT IS A FIXED FEE. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT EMILIA RIVER CRUISES IS DOING RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE WELCOME AND WE WOULD DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY. >> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT SHARING WITH EMILIA RIVER CRUISES RATHER THAN PUTTING UP A SEPARATE BUILDING? [00:30:03] >> WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION. THEIR BOOTH IS PRETTY SMALL, AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING THROUGH THERE, AND WE'RE EXPERIENCING AN ISSUE WHERE WE'RE RUNNING SOME DAYS IS 150, 175 PEOPLE, AND IT'S JUST SUCH A CONFUSION OF WHERE THEY GET THEIR TICKETS TO GET ONTO OUR BOAT VERSUS THEIR BOAT. SO THIS REALLY HELPS ALLEVIATE THAT. >> HOW ARE THEY FINDING YOU NOW? WHERE DO YOU TICKET THEM? DO THEY HAVE TO GO DOWN THE DOCK? >> YEAH, IT'S VERY CONFUSING. THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GET TO THE BOAT, HOW TO GET DOWN TO THE DOCK. >> IF I WANTED TO TAKE A CRUISE, WHAT WOULD I DO? >> YOU'D BUY [INAUDIBLE] AND TELL YOU HOW TO GET DOWN TO THE DOCK, AND THEN WE WOULD EITHER HAVE ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES WALK UP TO HELP ASSIST. RIGHT NOW IT'S CONFUSING. >> YOU SAID YOU WOULD BUY A TICKET ONLINE? >> YOU'D BUY A TICKET ONLINE OR POTENTIALLY AT THE KIOSK, AT THE TICKETING OFFICE THERE. WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE [INAUDIBLE]. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THERE'S THE FUTURE OF THIS WHOLE AREA IS VERY MUCH IN FLUX RIGHT NOW. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> MY CONCERN IS THAT THAT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE ADA COMPLIANT IN TERMS OF THE APPROACH FOR THAT WINDOW. IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I WOULD THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ADA ACCESS TO THE TICKETING WINDOW, WHICH IS ABOUT THE HEIGHTS OF THEM. >> THE HEIGHT OF THE? >> I WOULD THINK THAT THE MANUFACTURER SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT IS ADA COMPLIANT. >> APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. >> THAT MAY VERY WELL BE THERE'S NO DIMENSIONS ON THERE. IT JUST DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE FROM WHAT I'M SEEING. >> OKAY. >> DO WE HAVE PLANS FOR THIS BUILDING? >> YES. >> WERE THEY IN YOUR SUBMITTAL PACKET? >> IT SHOULD BE IN THE AGENDA PACKET. >> YEAH. >> LET'S SEE. YEAH. >> TO FIND IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? BECAUSE I SEE THAT MR. GLISSON WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. >> JEREMY GLISSON, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF FERNANDINA, JUST WANT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CONTEXT FOR YOUR REVIEW. THE APPLICANT DID APPROACH THE CITY FIRST TO DISCUSS THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS THERE. ALTHOUGH THE APPLICATION DOES SO NO MECHANIC OR ELECTRICAL, MAYBE IT'S A DISCONNECT SOMEWHERE, BUT THERE IS SOME BASIC ELECTRICAL NEEDS THAT THEY WERE TO RUN AC, WE PROVIDED WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN? OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE APPLICANT TO PAY FOR THAT TO BE BORING FROM A NEARBY DISTRIBUTION CENTER OVER THERE IN PARKING LOT A. OR IF NOT, THERE IS A WAY TO PULL POWER OFF OF THE PEDESTALS AND THE LIGHT POLES THAT WERE THERE. AND TO YOUR POINT, MEMBER KOSAK, IS THAT CHARGE IS REIMBURSED TO THE CITY, JUST AS DUTA MILLAR RIVER CRUISES. >> YOU CAN SUBMIT IT SOMEHOW. >> WHAT OR DETERMINE ACTUAL NEED, AND THEN JUST BUILD ACCORDINGLY. ALSO, WE HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THIS WOULD BE A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE DUE TO THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT AREA IN TALKING WITH EMILIA RIVER CRUISES, MR. MCCARTHY, HE DID POINT TO THE CONFUSION THAT THEY HAVE DOWN THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE SHOW UP, DESPITE HAVING A TICKET IN HAND, THEY GO TO A BOOTH AND THEY SEE THE BUILDING, AND THEN THEY DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES. HE SUPPORTED THIS EFFORT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A TEMPORARY BASIS, SO WANTED TO PASS THAT ALONG. AS FAR AS A TEMPORARY USE, MAYBE GLENN CAN SPEAK A LITTLE MORE TO WHEN WE WOULD SEE PHASE 2 OF THAT REDEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD IMPACT THIS. CONSTRUCTIONS SCHEDULED TO GET UNDERWAY FOR THE DEMOLITION SPRING SPRING AND SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR. BUT PHASE 2, WHICH WILL FOLLOW UP THE DEMOLITION IS STILL PREPARED TO GO UNDER DESIGN, AND THAT'S WHEN WE'RE LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING MORE WITH THESE TEMPORARY STRUCTURES HERE. IT'D PROBABLY BE IN YEAR 2, WHEN YOU SAY GLEN FOR THAT. AS FAR AS THE TIME THAT YOU MENTIONED, I THINK, UP TO FIVE YEARS ARE NOT KNOWN, WE WOULD SAY DEFINITELY AROUND THE TWO YEAR MARK, WE WOULD KNOW MORE ABOUT WHERE THESE FACILITIES DO GOING TO GO FOR THE SECOND PHASE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE BRETT'S AREA. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GLISSON? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. >> I HAVE BOARD DISCUSSION. >> YES. >> YES SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR VENTURE, TOO. I THINK IT'S COOL. TEMPORARY, TO ME, ON MOST OF OUR TEMPORARIES, IT'S 180 DAYS OR LESS, WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR A LOT OF THINGS. MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON THIS IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT KEVIN'S BUILDING RIGHT NEXT DOOR, IT'S A GABLE ROOF. LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE FISH SHANTY OR WHATEVER FISH SHARK, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A PREFAB. MY CONCERNS WOULD BE THE INCONGRUOUS NATURE OF IT? DOES SOMEBODY ELSE? [00:35:08] DO THE JET SKI PEOPLE WANT TO PREFAB BUILDING UP THERE IN A TEMPORARY BASIS? AND THEN DO WE START GETTING ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS UP THERE? I UNDERSTAND THE NEED AND I THINK IT'S VALID. DO WE NEED TO HAVE SOME MORE COHESIVENESS? I'M JUST GOING TO THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR DISCUSSION. >> DESIGN COHESIVENESS. >> DESIGN COHESIVENESS. >> I GET YOUR POINT, TAMMY. AND ALSO, IS THERE A LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF THESE THINGS THAT COULD BE INSTALLED THERE? I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE LIMIT WITH JUST THESE TWO ALREADY. IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE THE NEW DESIGN INCORPORATE SOMETHING WHERE THEY COULD ALL BE PLACED IN ONE CENTRAL AREA AND PEOPLE JUST HAVE TO PAY A FEE TO RENT OUT OF SPACE TO DO THEIR TICKET DISPENSING. >> OR EVEN ON THE DOCK ITSELF, COULD THERE BE A KIOSK, AND I KNOW, TOO, LIKE WHEN YOU GO DOWN THERE, THAT'S ONE OF THE NICE AREAS WHERE THE VIEW CARD IS JUST WIDE AT THAT END OF THAT PARKING LOT. THERE'S NOTHING THERE. THOSE ARE JUST THOUGHTS THAT I HAVE AS A DESIGNER AND SOMEBODY THAT WOULD LOOK AT THAT AREA WHEN I WAS COMING TO TOWN IF I SAW THIS LITTLE PREFAB SHARK AND THEN OTHER LITTLE SHARKS DOWN THERE. I DON'T KNOW. >> MR. GLISSON, COULD YOU COME BACK, PLEASE? DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS TO SHARE WITH US ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF MORE SUCH BUILDINGS WANTING TO BE PUT UP? >> YES, AND THE KIOSK DOWN THERE NOW HAS BEEN A SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION. WE ALSO HAVE THE FACILITY, THE MARINA DOCK HOUSE THAT'S OUT THERE OUT THERE ON THE DOCK AS WELL THAT IS ON AN AGED STRUCTURE AS WELL. WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BRINGING THAT ON LAND HAS BEEN A CONSIDERATION. WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND A LOT OF MUNICIPAL MARINAS, THEY HAVE AT ON LAND, THEY HAVE THAT FACILITY THERE THAT HAS THE KIOSKS FOR THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES THERE IN THE AREA, HAS REST ROOMS, HAS A CHECK IN OFFICE, MARINA STAFF IS STATIONED THERE. YOU'LL SEE THAT ALL THROUGHOUT A LOT OF MUNICIPAL MARINAS FOR A REASON BECAUSE THAT'S AN IDEAL WAY TO DO IT. ABSOLUTELY, THE STRUCTURE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, AND THEN THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY THERE, BRINGING THAT INTO A SINGLE FACILITY, ONCE BRETT IS OUT OF THE WAY, IT'S BEEN ONGOING DISCUSSION. I WOULD SAY A GOAL OF THE ELECTED BODY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THESE FACILITIES THAT ARE THERE. TO YOUR POINT, YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE A HODGEPODGE OF THESE FACILITIES RIGHT DOWN THERE AT YOUR VALUABLE WATERFRONT. >> AND WHAT WOULD THE EXPECTATION OF THE JET SKI PEOPLE BE OR WHATEVER, IF THE SECOND? >> THERE'S BEEN NO INTEREST IN A SECOND FACILITY. I MEAN MR. MCCARTHY STRUCTURE WAS A TEMPORARY AS WELL, WAY BACK IN 2012. I THINK IS WHEN IT WENT IN AROUND THAT TIME FRAME, SO THERE'S BEEN NO OTHER INTEREST SINCE THEN OTHER THAN MR. ANDERSON HERE. LIKE I SAID, HE DOES RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS VERY TEMPORARY BECAUSE WE ARE IN DESIGN FOR DEMOLITION AND FILED PERMITS WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT FACILITY'S CLOSING, BRETS IS CLOSING HERE AND WITHIN JUST A FEW MONTHS, AND THAT DEMOLITION IS GOING TO BE UNDERWAY HERE WITHIN PROBABLY SIX MONTHS OR SO. >> ONE LAST QUESTION REGARDING THE SAFETY OF IT. DOES THAT HAVE TO MEET LIKE FLORIDA BUILDING SAFETY CODES? I KNOW IT'S GOT ASPHALT SHINGLES ON IT. KEVIN'S BUILDING HAS METAL. ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS THAT THAT THING MIGHT JUST BE WHIPPING AROUND? >> IT WILL FOR SURE, HAVE TO MEET BUILDING CODE, AND WE DISCUSSED WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ALREADY WHAT WOULD BE EXPECTED, BOTH FROM ELECTRICAL STANDPOINT. AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A PRE-ENGINEER BUILDING, SO IT WOULDN'T EVEN BE SOLD HERE WITHIN FLORIDA WITHOUT MEETING THOSE CRITERIA. I DON'T THINK THAT WILL BE AN ISSUE. >> I BELIEVE THERE'S A TIME FRAME PROBABLY IN TERMS OF WHAT THE DEFINITION OF TEMPORARY IS IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IN TERMS OF THE TYPE OF STRUCTURE. >> IF YOU WERE LOOKING TO SET A CONDITION, LIKE I SAID, FOR SURE, WITHIN TWO YEARS, AND IF YOU WANTED TO BACK THAT UP A BIT, MAYBE 18 MONTHS OR SOMETHING I FELT MORE COMFORTABLE, I THINK WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'D KNOW MORE ABOUT A MORE PERMANENT INSTALLATION. WE HAVE 40 BUSINESSES AT MARINA THAT ARE WORKING AND HAVING A CENTRALIZED LOCATION THAT CAN COMMON THAT WORKING WATERFRONT IS PARAMOUNT IMPORTANT. I'M SURE WE'LL BE IN A BETTER POSITION HERE WITHIN 18 MONTHS OR SO. >> I THINK THAT I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT IF WE HAD SOME GUARDRAIL ON IT WITH THE TIME FRAME. AND THEN, IF THAT TIME FRAME COMES UP AND THERE'S ACTIVITY, BUT IT'S NOT CERTAIN YET, THEN THEY CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND SAY, WE NEED AN EXTENSION OR WHATEVER. BUT THEN WE DON'T GET ALL THIS GRANDFATHERED IN FOR 10, 20 YEARS YEARS ON IT. >> THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD CONDITION TO PUT ON THAT. [00:40:05] >> I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT THERE BE A CONDITION ON THE UTILITIES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED TO THAT BUILDING, AND THAT THEY BE DONE WITH CITY APPROVAL AND ABILITY FOR THE CITY TO BE REIMBURSED. JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN A CONTRACT OR SOMETHING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. >> YOU CAN YOU GO AHEAD. >> I JUST THINK THAT IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL DESIGN AESTHETIC, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH TAMMY, THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN AESTHETIC THAT IS SIMILAR AND MATCHES THE OTHER TICKET BOOTH THAT'S THERE AND THOSE ARE BOTH VERY SIMILAR JUST BECAUSE OF THE ROOF LINES, AND I THINK IT WOULD EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONLY TEMPORARY, IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO BE SIMILAR IN THEIR DESIGN AESTHETIC WITH THE GABLE ROOF OR WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE. AND THEN THE ADA COMPLIANCE IS MY OTHER CONCERN. >> I GUESS THAT WOULD GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT TO SEE IF THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT DESIGN THAT'S AVAILABLE AND IF THEY'RE AMENABLE TO THAT. >> SIR, COULD YOU COME BACK TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? I GUESS TO SUMMARIZE THE COMMENTS IN THE QUESTION, IS THIS YOUR ONLY OPTION FOR A PRE FAT BUILDING? >> IT'S NOT OUR ONLY OPTION IT WAS THE BEST OPTION THAT WE CAME UP WITH AT THE TIME. TO OUR UNDERSTANDING THE RIVER CRUSE BOAT TICKET OFFICE FOR AS FAR AS WHAT WE CAN TELL, IT WAS A SHED THAT WAS MODIFIED WITH SOME WINDOWS AND THEN METAL ROOF ON IT. THIS BEING PRE MANUFACTURED WITH ENGINEERING PLANS INSPECT, WE THOUGHT WOULD BE A BETTER SOLUTION THAN A SHED IN CUTTING OUT WINDOWS. THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T GO DOWN THAT ROUTE. WE THOUGHT THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING MORE APPROVED BY THE BOARD. >> I THINK THAT WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM CITY STAFF IS THAT WE HAVE THIS TO LOOK AT FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS, AND IT'S NOT CONGRUENT WITH OTHER WATERFRONT BUILDINGS, SPECIFICALLY THE OTHER TICKET BOOTH. IT'S NOT CONGRUENT IN ITS DESIGN. TWO YEARS IS A LONG TIME TO LOOK AT SOMETHING WHEN IT AGGRAVATES YOU. AND IF WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE AGGRAVATED BY IT, WE'LL ALL HEAR ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME TO COME. TRUST ME ON THAT. I'VE HEARD SOME THINGS FOR AS MANY AS 20 YEARS NOW. I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THAT MAYBE WE PUT THIS INTO A CONDITIONAL EMOTION THAT YOU CONSIDER A DIFFERENT ROOF AT LEAST. >> OKAY. >> IF IT CAN BE DONE I DON'T I YOU KNOW. >> THE REASON THAT WE WENT WITH THIS IS THERE'S REALLY THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DIRECTION ON THE DESIGN OF A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE. THAT'S PRE MANUFACTURED DEFINITION. >> BECAUSE OUR TEMPORARY DEFINITION IS USUALLY AS MS. KOSAK SAID, 183 DAYS. BUT THIS STRETCHES THAT. >> UNDERSTOOD. >> MAYBE BACKYARD PRODUCTS HAS A GABLE DESIGN, AND THEN YOU COULD ALWAYS ADD THE RENTAL ROOF ON TOP. >> IF WHAT I'M HEARING IS IF WE HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT MIRRORS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, WHETHER IT WOULD MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPIER. >> IT WOULD BE MORE CONGRUENT. YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPIER, DON'T TRY [LAUGHTER]. YOU DON'T EVEN TRY, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE CONGRUENT. I GUESS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A MOTION THAT OUTLINES THOSE THINGS FOR YOU, AND MAYBE ASKS YOU TO COME BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING WITH A NEW DESIGN. >> WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS MOVED ALONG AS FAST AS WE CAN. >> HERE YOU AREN'T? >> BECAUSE EVERY TIME IT GETS PUSHED BACK TO ANOTHER MEETING, IT'S AN SEVERAL MONTHS. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO MAY HAVE THE VOTE ON IT, AND THEN WE WOULD PROVIDE A NEW DESIGN THAT MAYBE THE STAFF COULD THEN REVIEW IF IT MEETS THE SPEC THAT WE DISCUSSED HERE TODAY. >> WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? >> I WOULD THINK WE WOULD WANT TO SEE IT AGAIN. I'M SORRY, BUT I DO THINK WE'D WANT TO SEE IT AGAIN. [00:45:01] IT'S IT WOULD BE IT'S SUCH A DIFFERENT ALTHOUGH I REALIZE IT'S A SMALL BUILDING, IT'S A DIFFERENT DESIGN. I THINK WE COULD MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH IT IN THE NEXT MEETING, BUT I THINK THAT BETWEEN THE ROOF LINE AND THE ADA COMPLIANCE, I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME ISSUES THERE THAT IT'S A LOT TO WRITE INTO AN APPROVAL. >> MAYER, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT THIS ON THE VERY NEXT MEETING? >> THIS CAN BE ON THE SEPTEMBER AGENDA, SEPTEMBER 18. >> I THINK IT'S A NICE COMPROMISE. >> IS THAT GOING TO WORK? >> THAT WILL WORK FOR US. >> HAS SIGNAGE BEEN ADDRESSED? WE KNOW THAT HE'LL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH SIGNAGE ON IT AS WELL. >> WE DID NOT DRESS SIGNAGE. >> THAT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT THING, SO YOU DON'T GET HUNG UP ON SIGNAGE. I WOULD RECOMMEND MAYBE HAVING ANOTHER PRE APP MEETING WITH PLANNING TO FIND OUT THE SIZE THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED AND THE DIFFERENT ORDINANCES THAT WOULD APPLY TO YOUR SIGNAGE? >> UNDERSTOOD.. >> DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? >> IT WORKS. >> ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING. IS EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? >> YOU SHOULD MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN AND HAVE IT SECONDED AND VOTED ON, AND THEN THAT WAY THE PUBLIC HAS NOTICE. I KNOW WE'VE SAID IT OUT LOUD, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2025. IF THAT'S THE BOARD'S PLEASURE. >> BUT I HAVE TO GET PUBLIC? >> YES, YOU DO [LAUGHTER]. >> OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYBODY IN THE ROOM HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS? ANY INPUT FOR US? THANK YOU. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO I HEAR A MOTION? >> I JUST WANTED TO RECAP THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT [LAUGHTER] BASICALLY, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM OTHER BOARD MEMBERS IS WE HAVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH SOME CONDITIONS. THOSE CONDITIONS BEING TO ALTER THE AESTHETIC OF THE BUILDING, GIVE IT A GABLE ROOF. I HEARD METAL ROOFING TO BE PUT ON IT. I CAN'T THINK I CAN SEE IN THAT PICTURE, AND YOU GUYS CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY THERE, DOES IT HAVE EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS? NO. >> NO. THEY'LL BREAK. >> A GABLE ROOF WITH METAL ROOFING. WE WANTED TO INCLUDE A COMMENT ON. THEY NEED TO COORDINATE WITH THE CITY ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET ELECTRICITY AND PAY FOR IT. WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED WHAT THE TIME FRAME MIGHT BE, BUT PUT A DEFINITION ON WHAT TEMPORARY MEANS. MAYBE ASK THEM TO COME BACK IF IT ECLIPSES TWO YEARS OR. >> 18 MONTHS. >> 18 MONTHS, AND COME BACK TO TALK ABOUT IT. BY THEN, WE SHOULD HAVE A BETTER PICTURE WHEN THE REDEVELOPMENT WILL BE IN FULL SWING. THOSE ARE THINGS I HAD WRITTEN. >> ADA. >> ADA. SORRY. >> ONE OTHER THING, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, CERTAINLY WHEN IT GETS TO THE COMMISSION LEVEL, I'M GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LEASE FOR THIS. THE OTHER BUILDING DOES HAVE A LEASE, IT DOES ADDRESS THE ELECTRICITY. IT ADDRESS THE TIME FRAME FRAME. IT WOULD REQUIRE IT TO COME BACK. I THINK THAT WILL HELP AS WELL. THE COMMISSION WOULD BE APPROVING THAT IF THEY DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. THAT WOULD BE ON THE COMMISSION'S AGENDA, BUT THERE WILL BE A LEASE OF SORTS. THE OTHER BUILDING HAS ONE AS WELL. >> UNDERSTOOD. >> WE'RE HERE FOR DESIGN. [LAUGHTER] >> CAN YOU SAY ALL THAT AGAIN FOR MOTION? >> YEAH. I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC 2025-0015. >> YOU'RE CONTINUING IT. YOU'RE APPROVING IT? >> I WAS GOING TO GIVE IT CONSENT. WELL, WE CAN CONTINUE IT AGAIN. THEN YOU'VE GOTTEN OUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU, TERESA. I MOVED TO CONTINUE CASE NUMBER HDC 2025-0015 TO THE SEPTEMBER 18, 2025 HDC. >> ANY SECONDS? >> DO WE NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE CONDITIONS ON IT OR JUST CONTINUING IT IN THAT WAY. >> [OVERLAPPING] I FIGURED, WE JUST WENT OVER THEM. THEY'LL BE IN THE MINUTES. >> THEY'LL BE ON THE RECORD. >> I'LL SECOND IT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. COULD YOU CALL A ROLL, PLEASE? >> MEMBER KOSAK? >> YES. >> MEMBER BURNS? >> YES. >> MEMBER SIKOWSKI? >> YES. >> VICE CHAIR PAZZETA? >> YES. >> MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? >> YES. >> CHAIR FILKOFF? >> YES. >> THANK YOU, SIR FOR DOING THIS BECAUSE I WENT OUT ON THAT BOAT. IT WAS GREAT FUN. [00:50:06] >> THANK YOU EVERYBODY THERE. [LAUGHTER] >> IT WAS GOOD. HTC 2025-0016. [5.2 HDC 2025-0016 - RICE ARCHITECTS, AGENT FOR S. NICOLE JAMIESON, 17 S. 8TH STREET FINAL Certificate of Approval (COA) to construct a 288 sq. ft. accessory structure. (Quasi-Judicial).] AF REPORT, PLEASE. HDC 2025-0016 IS TAKING PLACE FOR AN APPLICANT ON 17 SOUTH A STREET. THIS PROPOSED IMPROVEMENT IS A 24 BY 12 FOOT PERGOLA LOCATED IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. IT WOULD BE PLACED ON A CONCRETE PAD. IT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE SETBACKS, IMPERVIOUS AREA REQUIREMENTS AND HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE OUTLINED BY THE LDC. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND THE LOCATION OF THE PERGOLA. HERE I'VE PROVIDED THE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, THE EAST ELEVATION IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER WOULD BE THE STREET VIEW FROM SOUTH EIGHTH. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS PERGOLA WOULD BE USED TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESS IN STORING MERCHANDISE. STAFF RECOMMENDS FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME AS IT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SADLER? >> MIA, DUE TO THE SIZE OF THIS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEING CALLED A PERGOLA, THIS HAS TO GO THROUGH BUILDING, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MS. SADLER? MR. AKINS, PLEASE. >> I'M MARK AKINS WITH RICE ARCHITECT 96187 GATEWAY BOULEVARDS. WHICH IS 0108. HOW'S THAT? [LAUGHTER] I AGREE WITH MIA AND HER ASSESSMENT. WE'RE CERTAINLY HERE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. AKINS. GO AHEAD. >> AN OPEN AIR STRUCTURE. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A COUPLE OF CERTAIN PILES ARE TOTALLY OPEN. I'M PRESUMING IT'S A METAL ROOF THAT'S GOING TO MATCH THE EXISTING BUILDING. WHEN YOU SAY STORING PRODUCTS, IS A KAYAKS OR? >> KAYAKS AND PADDLE BOARDS, THINGS LIKE THAT. KEEP THEM OUT OF VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC. >> IT'S TOTALLY BEHIND THE EXISTING FENCE THAT'S THERE NOW? >> YES, IT IS. >> I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT. >> MARK, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU. IN THAT LOCATION, WHERE IT IS, I KNOW THIS IS C3, SO WE DON'T HAVE TECHNICAL SETBACKS. BUT I SEE ON THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE PULLING THE BUILDING IN A LITTLE BIT FROM THE BOUNDARIES. THE WAY THAT ROOF IS ORIENTED, WILL IT BE SHEDDING ALL OF ITS WATER ONTO THE NEIGHBORS OR WILL IT COME DOWN AND DO YOU ANTICIPATE IT DROPPING WITHIN THE OWN PROPERTY? >> MIA, DO YOU HAVE THE SITE PLAN FOR IT? >> YES. >> AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE SEVERAL FEET OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE. >> PLENTY OF SPACE IN THERE. >> WE DO. >> THAT WILL ACTUALLY HELP THAT TREE THAT YOU'RE KEEPING BECAUSE MY NEXT CONCERN WAS THAT EVERYTHING IS OPEN. THERE'S A BUNCH OF TREES IN THERE AND WITH YOU PUTTING IN THE CONCRETE PAD, WILL THAT JUST BE LIKE A THREE INCHER? DO YOU THINK FOUR INCHER? >> JUST A CAVEAT ON THE PAD FROM WHAT WE HAVE OR MAYBE SOME CLARIFICATION. OWNERS NOT ENTIRELY SURE THAT THEY WANT TO POUR CONCRETE THERE, MIGHT PUT PAVERS OR EVEN PEBBLE OR GRAVEL OR SOMETHING THAT'S JUST PERMEABLE, SO THAT WE STILL HAVE SOME SURFACE THERE. >> I THINK THAT'S A BETTER. LOOKS GOOD. I LIKE IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY ONLY COMMENT, MARK, WAS THAT WHEN YOU GET OUT THERE AND YOU START PREPPING THE SITE, IF THERE'S A MAJOR TAP ROOT RUNNING FROM WHERE THE CONCRETE'S GOING. MAYBE THAT IF THE LOCATION OF THE PERGOLA COULD BE SLIGHTLY MOVED AND AVOID SEVERING MAJOR ROOT SYSTEM. >> I THINK WE WOULD EVALUATE THAT. EVEN THE FOOTINGS MIGHT REQUIRE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE WOULD NOTIFY CERTAINLY PLANNING DEPARTMENT IF WE HAD ANY NEED TO SHIFT. >> BECAUSE THE BIGGEST TREES ARE REALLY, LIKE BOUNDARY TREES, THEY'RE RIGHT THERE. >> CORRECT. >> IT'S A NICE DESIGN. I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. IT WORKS WELL. IT FITS WITH THE SCALE OF THE OTHER BUILDING. IT'S GOOD. REALLY. >> THANK YOU. >> WE DO KNOW EVERYBODY UP HERE IS AWARE OF THE FACT THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THIS? >> YES, IT IS VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD. VISUALLY, IT'S FAIRLY BUSY. I THINK IT'S GOING TO TEND TO DISAPPEAR TO BE HONEST. >> I CAN SEE IT FROM MY HOUSE, THOUGH. [LAUGHTER] >> AT OUTSIDE BAR. AND YOU CAN SEE RUSSIA FROM ALASKA. [00:55:03] [LAUGHTER]. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS HAVE COMMENTS TO MAKE ON THIS PROJECT? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I REALIZED THAT I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. DO WE NEED TO KNOW IF THERE'S ELECTRIC INVOLVED IN THIS AT ALL, OR THAT'S A BUILDING DEPARTMENT DEAL? >> I'M NOT SURE. FOR MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE WASN'T ELECTRIC INVOLVED IN THIS. BUT IF IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AS WELL. >> MARK AKINS AGAIN. I SUSPECT THERE WILL BE SOME ELECTRICAL SUPPLY TO THE BUILDING SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE GETTING IN THERE AFTER DARK OR SOMETHING, THEY CAN HAVE SOME SAFETY. >> INTERIOR ELECTRIC. >> INTERIOR. WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED EXTERIOR LIGHTING. I DON'T IMAGINE THEY WOULD NEED ANY, BUT OWNER SHAKES HER HEAD, NO. THERE IS ONE LITTLE ONE SECTION OF THE BUILDING, WELL, IT'S ENCLOSED OF SORTS SO THAT WE WILL NEED SOME LIGHT IN THERE. >> THANK YOU. ANY CONCERNS ABOUT ANYTHING? ANY MORE DISCUSSION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? >> I GOT IT UP. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC 2025-0016 WITHOUT CONDITIONS. I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD. THAT HDC CASE 2025-0016 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE LDC, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO EARN FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? >> MEMBER BURNS? >> YES. >> MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? >> YES. >> MEMBER KOSAK? >> YES. >> MEMBER SIKOWSKI? >> YES. >> VICE CHAIR PAZZETA? >> YES. >> CHAIR FILKOFF? >> YES. >> HDC 2025-0017. MS. SADLER. [5.3 HDC 2025-0017 - DEBRA WINTERS, 132 S. 2ND STREET This case was transitioned to an HDC Staff Approval. See attached letter.] >> THIS ISN'T IN MY POWERPOINT BECAUSE THIS CASE WAS FOR DEBORAH WINTER AT 132 SOUTH 2ND STREET, WHICH IS OVER HERE IN HARBORVIEW. SHE CAME TO THE OFFICE REQUESTING TO REPLACE TWO OF HER WINDOWS IN HER TOWNHOUSE WITH WINDOWS THAT WERE NOT ON THE APPROVED LIST. AT FIRST UNDERSTANDING HER CASE, I THOUGHT IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD. BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ON THE APPROVED LIST. THEN AFTER DOING SOME MORE RESEARCH INTO THAT CONSTRUCTION, THE WINDOWS THAT WERE APPROVED FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION IN 2021 WERE ALSO NOT ON THE APPROVED LIST, AND THEY WERE ALSO VINYL WINDOWS. LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS THAT SHE HAD, THEY WERE PRETTY COMPARABLE TO WHAT WAS APPROVED, AND STAFF MADE A CALL TO MAKE THAT A STAFF APPROVAL AND REFUND HER THE FEE TO APPEAR BEFORE THE BOARD. I HAD THAT LETTER IN MY AGENDA PACKET EXPLAINING THAT. >> ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? THANK YOU. [5.4 HDC 2025-0018 - CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, 102 CENTRE STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to remove "Fernandina Pirate" sculpture and replace with new "Peg Leg Pete" sculpture and install black wrought iron fencing around the base. (Quasi-Judicial)] THE NEXT ITEM, HERE WE GO, GUYS. THIS IS HDC 2025-0018. STAFF REPORT, PLEASE. >> THIS APPLICATION WAS MADE BY THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH IN COLLABORATION WITH THE FERNANDINA BEACH PIRATE CLUB. HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE EXISTING STATUE THAT IS AT 102 CENTER STREET AT THE TRAIN DEPOT IN EMILIA ISLAND VISITOR CENTER. THIS STATUE HAS EXPERIENCED RAPID DETERIORATION, AND THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES DONATING THE STATUE AS IT STANDS NOW TO THE EMELIA ISLAND MUSEUM OF HISTORY, SO IT CAN BE FURTHER PROTECTED FROM THE ELEMENTS. HERE ARE A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF THE STATUE AS IT STANDS TODAY. THE PROPOSED STATUE WAS COMMISSIONED BY THE PIRATE CLUB, AND THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES REPAIRING THE BASE AND PLACING A 30 INCH TALL FENCE AROUND IT TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM CLIMBING ONTO THE STATUE. I HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT MOCKED UP BASE AS WELL AS SOME PICTURES OF THE PROPOSED STATUE. DUE TO THE SUBJECTIVE NATURE OF THIS PROPOSAL, STAFF DEFERS TO THE BOARD FOR DECISION. >> THE EASY WAY. [LAUGHTER] IT DIDN'T TAKE YOU LONG? [LAUGHTER] DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE? >> DO WE HAVE STAFF QUESTIONS FIRST? >> WELL, SURE. GO AHEAD. [01:00:01] >> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ONE THING. WHEN YOU SAY THAT THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES REPAIRING THE BASE, I SEE THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT SHAPE. WERE THEY JUST PROPOSING TO USE THE STONES THAT ARE THERE AND JUST MODIFYING THE SHAPE OF THE BASE? IS THAT WHAT REPAIR MEANS? >> I ASSUME THEY WERE GOING TO ADD MORE MORTAR INTO IT AND THEN MAYBE ADD SOME MORE ROCKS THERE. >> IS THE POINT OF THAT TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM STANDING ON IT? >> I THINK THE POINT OF IT IS TO MAINTAIN THE BASE THAT'S ALREADY THERE BECAUSE IS ALSO EXPERIENCING DETERIORATION. >> I THINK IT MIGHT BE A TWOFOLD POINT. THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> THE FENCE THAT'S PROPOSED. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE FENCE DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WOULD DO MUCH IN TERMS OF KEEPING PEOPLE OFF OF IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY EVEN NEED A FENCE THERE, AND THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION. BUT THAT FENCE IS NOT REALLY. >> WELL, THE FENCE IS REALLY GOOD IF YOU WANT TO WALK THE PLANK. [LAUGHTER] IT'S A GOOD BALANCING. >> I DON'T THINK THAT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE. I'M NOT PROPOSING A BIGGER FENCE. I'M JUST SAYING A 30 INCH FENCE IS NOT GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE THERE. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT HAS ANY PURPOSE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO [OVERLAPPING]. >> MR. PLATT? >> UNDERSTAND THE DESIGN. >> COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR REPORT? >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JACOB PLATT, PROJECT COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY. MISS FINKELSTEIN, THE DOWNTOWN MANAGER PROVIDED YOU A MEMO TO THE BOARD MEMBERS WITH THE BACKGROUND AND THE CURRENT PROPOSAL. I JUST WANTED TO RUN THROUGH WHAT EXACTLY THIS PROPOSAL IS. REMOVAL OF THE ORIGINAL 1978 PICKLEG PICK, WITH IT TO BE DONATED TO THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY FOR PRESERVATION. INSTALLATION OF A NEWLY CARVED REPLACEMENT PIRATE FIGURE CREATED BY LOCAL STUDENT ARTIST, JEFF PAXSON, AND PAINTED BY JULIE DEVES OF THE FPHS, THE HIGH SCHOOL ART ASSOCIATION, ON THE EXISTING PEDESTAL, REPAIRING THE BASE AS NEEDED UNDER THE DIRECTION OF SOUTHEAST CONSERVATION SERVICES, WHICH I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY HERE FROM THEM TODAY. REPLACEMENT AND RESTORATION OF A PLAQUE WITH FUNDING AND DIRECTION FROM THE FERNANDINA BEACH PIRATES, ADDING SHRUBS BEHIND THE STRUCTURE. YOU'VE GOT THAT BIG RAILROAD BOX THERE TO HIDE THAT AND THEN INSTALLATION THAT 30 INCH ALUMINUM BLACK FENCE TO HELP WITH REDUCING CLIMBING AND LIABILITY ISSUES FOR PEOPLE FALLING. BUT THAT'S THE BASIC PROPOSAL AND TRY TO ANSWER ANYTHING THAT I CAN. >> CAN I JUST WALK BACK THROUGH TIME ABOUT THE LAST TIME THIS CAME HERE BECAUSE THAT WAS WHEN MR. GEORGE WAS HERE AT THE TIME. HE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE REPLACEMENT STATUE. HE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S THERE NOW, TOO. THE WAY IT WAS LEFT FROM THAT MEETING WAS THAT HE WAS GOING TO WORK WITH THE PIRATES TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ADDRESS HIS ISSUES. I BELIEVE ONE OF HIS ISSUES WAS THAT THE STATUE WAS TOP HEAVY AND HE WAS CONCERNED THAT IT MIGHT FALL OVER. ONE OF THEM WAS NEEDING TO HAVE A FENCE BECAUSE CHILDREN, ESPECIALLY FALLING OFF THAT BASE WAS OF CONCERN TO HIM. >> HE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT MAYBE A BIGGER BASE. THIS ONE LOOKS SMALLER. >> HE ALSO HAD CONCERNS THAT IT WASN'T A MONOLITHIC BUILD THAT THE ARMS WERE SEPARATE FROM THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. >> HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS. NOW, BECAUSE I CELEBRATED PEG LEG PETE'S 40TH BIRTHDAY DOWNTOWN WHEN I WAS WITH MAIN STREET. I'VE HAD SOME HISTORY WITH THE GUY AND I WANT TO WALK THROUGH IT. THIS WAS COMMISSIONED, I BELIEVE BY MR. LANNON. THE MAN WHOSE THREE DAUGHTERS NOW OWN STORES ON CENTER STREET, CAROL L TERAN, EMMA LIPER AND MARILYN. I CAN'T REMEMBER LAST NAME. AT ANY RATE, THEY STILL ARE HERE. THEIR FATHER IS THE ONE WHO COMMISSIONED THIS CARVING TO BE DONE, AND HE GOT DONATIONS AT THE TIME FROM BUSINESS PEOPLE DOWNTOWN TO PAY THE ARTIST. WHEN THEY FIRST HAD IT, IT WAS DOWN ON THE WATERFRONT. I DON'T KNOW WHY OR WHO OR WHETHER ANYBODY GOT APPROVAL TO MOVE IT TO WHERE IT IS NOW, [01:05:01] BUT THAT'S A MYSTERY TO ME. I DON'T KNOW THAT PART. >> I BELIEVE IT WAS WHEN BRETT'S WAS CONSTRUCTED. >> WHEN BRETT'S WAS BEING BUILT, THE DECISION WAS THAT WAS IN THE WAY AND TO MOVE IT. NOW WE HAVE A STATUTE THAT IS APPEALING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TOWN, AND IT'S AN EMOTIONAL APPEAL, I THINK, TO A LOT OF FOLKS. IT'S THE MOST PHOTOGRAPHED DUDA DUDA. OUR ROLE AS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS TO APPROVE ANYTHING THAT GOES INTO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. YOU HEARD SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE MADE EARLIER ABOUT THE TICKET BOOTH THAT IT'S NOT CONGRUENT. MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT THE ONLY DOCUMENTED PROOF OF PIRATES IN FERNANDINA, ALTHOUGH WE ALL PRETTY SURE THEY WERE HERE. THE ONLY DOCUMENTATION WE HAVE IS LOUIS ARI. I DON'T THINK HE HAD A PEG LEG. WE DO HAVE SOME ARTISTS RENDERINGS OF WHAT HE LOOKED LIKE. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT ANYBODY'S IN THE MOOD TO LISTEN TO, SHOULD WE BE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE IN WHAT WE PUT DOWNTOWN. I THINK WE SHOULD BE PERSONALLY, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD GO NECESSARILY WITH YOUR DESIRES. I THINK THE CITY'S DESIRES RIGHT NOW ARE TO PUT SOMETHING UP THAT IS NOT FALLING APART BECAUSE THE CURRENT STATUTE THAT I'VE BEEN TOLD TIME AND TIME AGAIN IS IT'S FALLING APART. THE PIRATES BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER REPAIR IT. THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH LEFT TO IT TO REPAIR. IS ALL THAT TRUE, MR. PLATT? THE CURRENT STATUE? THERE'S EITHER A NEW ONE, NEW SOMETHING, OR THERE'S NOTHING? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE EXISTING STATUE IS IN SUCH BAD CONDITION, THAT IT'S EITHER GOING TO FALL APART, OR IF WE CAN MOVE IT INTO A CLIMATE CONTROL AND PRESERVE IT AT THE MUSEUM ARE REALLY YOUR ONLY TWO OPTIONS. >> THE MUSEUM HAS OFFICIALLY SAID THEY'LL TAKE IT? >> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THAT. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. >> DOES IT STILL HAVE BUGS? >> PARDON. >> DOES IT STILL HAVE BUGS? >> SHOULDN'T BUT IT CAN BE TREATED. >> OUR PURVIEW IS REALLY THE DESIGN. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TO ASK ABOUT ANY OF THAT BEFORE WE HAVE BOARD DISCUSSION AND HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. WE HAVE A FEW REQUESTS TO SPEAK. >> I WOULD ASK JAKE, AS A AD HOC ENGINEER, LOOKING AT THE PLANS THAT WERE PROVIDED WITH WELL, THEY SAID REDHEAD SCREWS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS SHOWN IN THE DESIGNS, THAT'S GOING TO HOLD THIS BASE DOWN. CHARLIE HAD THE CONCERNS THAT THE BASE WAS NOT SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH TO BALANCE OUT THE WEIGHT OF THE TOP. THEY CAME BACK ON THE PLANTS, AND THEY'RE SHOWING SOME BOLTS AND SOME SPLIT ANCHORS AND SOME EPOXY. WHO DETERMINES IF THAT IS SUFFICIENT AND DO WE EVEN KNOW THE WEIGHT OF THIS THING AND IF THERE IS SOME FORCE PLACED ON IT? >> YEAH, I DEFER TO SOUTHEAST CONSERVATION ON THAT. IT WOULD REALLY BE A QUESTION FOR THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IF, YOU'RE GOING TO REALLY HAVE TO HAVE THIS THING ENGINEERED. I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER, BUT I'M SOUTHEAST ON AND THEIR DESIGN INTENT. >> ARE YOU AWARE, MR. PLATT, OF ANY DOCUMENTED PROCESS WITHIN THE CITY THAT ADDRESSES WHAT HAPPENS WITH DONATED PROPERTY? WE HAVE A FOUNTAIN IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE THAT WAS ALLOWED TO GO SO BAD THAT IT HAD TO BE REPLACED BECAUSE THE CITY DIDN'T SEE ITSELF AS OWNING IT. WE HAD A STATUE OF DAVID EWE THAT WAS DONATED TO THE CITY AND WHEN IT WAS DEFACED IN A VERY UGLY WAY, THE CITY HAD NO ONE AND NO RESOURCE, NOR ANY RESPONSIBILITY THAT HAD BEEN DOCUMENTED TO MAINTAIN IT. THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN MAINTAINING PEG LEG OVER THE YEARS ARE THE PIRATES. NOW, I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE I SAW IN [01:10:03] MISS FINKELSTEIN'S LETTER THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO DO THAT. >> THERE IS ORDINANCE 71-50, AND THEN IN 2024, LAST YEAR, THE COMMISSION DID ADOPT A PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE, AND IT DOES SPELL OUT THOSE OBLIGATIONS FOR MAINTENANCE AND ALL THAT. >> THE CITY IS TAKING OWNERSHIP OF WHATEVER IS PUT UP, AND THE CITY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND THE CITY HAS SOLE LIABILITY. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> ARE YOU COMFORTABLE THOUGH WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED IS SAFE ENOUGH TO ACCEPT SOLE LIABILITY? THAT'S AN ALL LOADED QUESTION. I SWEAR. >> I'M NOT COMFORTABLE ANSWERING THAT QUESTION. >> IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN. THERE IS AN APPLICATION RELATED WITH THAT ORDINANCE FOR TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT ARC ACQUISITION. HAVE YOU BEEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS YET JUST SO THE HDC WOULD KNOW EVEN IF THEY APPROVE SOMETHING TODAY, THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER PROCESS UNLESS YOU'VE ALREADY DONE IT? >> WE HAVE NOT, AND I'M NOT AWARE OF MISS FINKELSTEIN. I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE WAS AWARE EXACTLY OF WHERE THAT PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE LANDED, BUT THERE IS AN APPLICATION INCLUDED WITH THAT WOULD HAVE [INAUDIBLE]. I THINK IT'S MERELY ADMINISTRATIVE AND THAT IT ALSO CALLS OUT THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND OBLIGATIONS BY EACH PARTY. >> CHAIR, MAY I JUMP IN HERE? TO YOUR POINT, NO, THE PROCESS NEEDS IMPROVEMENT. THERE IS AN APPLICATION THAT WAS MENTIONED FOR PUBLIC ART. IT'S GOING TO BE REVISITED BY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. IT'S ONE OF OUR STACK OF THINGS THAT IS IN MISS PRINTZ'S REVIEW BECAUSE, AS YOU REMEMBER, ARTS AND CULTURE NASSAU WAS UNSETTLED. IT'S ALL GO TO START RUNNING THROUGH PAC, AND THERE'S SOME UPDATES TO THAT PROCESS AND THAT APPLICATION, RECOGNIZING THAT MOST OF THE THINGS DONATED TO THE CITY IN A PUBLIC SPACE IS GOING TO BE ART, WHETHER IT'S THE ANCHOR DOWNSTAIRS DOWN IN FRONT OF BRETT'S OR THIS STATUE'S EXAMPLE. THAT'S IN THE QUEUE FOR REVIEW AND IMPROVEMENT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT THAT'S IN THE QUEUE. TO IMPROVE THE APPLICATION AND THE PROCESS BECAUSE THAT HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED. >> THANK YOU. >> I MAY, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, THE APPLICATION DOES SAY PUBLIC SAFETY, MEETS ALL APPLICABLE BUILDING CODES FOR PUBLIC PROJECTS. THE ARTIST HAS SHOWN DUE TO OTHER DILIGENCE IN DEVELOPING APPROPRIATE INSTALLATION PLANS. I KNOW IT'S ON MY LIST THAT THAT THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER HAS SPOKEN ABOUT, BUT I DO HAVE HERE WHAT WAS APPROVED, IT APPEARS. ANY THERE LOOKS LIKE THERE IS SOME CRITERIA TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS, BUT IT'S ALSO IN THE WORKS OF BEING IMPROVED. >> THANK YOU. IS IT ALL RIGHT, WITH THE BOARD FOR ME TO ASK FOR PUBLIC INPUT NOW. OVER THE PUBLIC HEARING, I HAVE PEOPLE HERE, BOBBY BROWN. >> I'VE NEVER DONE THIS, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO BEAR WITH ME. >> OKAY, JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> MY NAME IS BOBBY BROWN JUNIOR. I'VE LIVED IN FERNANDINA ON 1416 NECTAR STREET. MY PARENTS MOVED HERE IN '68, AND I'M GOING TO SET THE TIMELINE FOR YOU, 1977. MY FATHER DONATED THE WOOD TO WAYNE IRVING. BOB LANNON PROCEEDED THROUGH THE CITY OF FERNANDINA TO GET IT COORDINATED TO GET IT DONE. MY FATHER AND WAYNE IRVING AND BOB, AND ME AS A 12-YEAR-OLD CHILD RUNNING AROUND DOWN THERE. CARVED THAT OUT RIGHT BESIDE THE RAILROAD STATION. THE PIRATE HAS BEEN HERE ALL THESE YEARS, AND HERE WE ARE IN 2025. ABOUT TO REMOVE HIM OUT BECAUSE THE CITY FAILED TO MAINTAIN HIM. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE HIM OUT, GET HIM TO THE MUSEUM, GET HIM DOWN THERE OR WHATEVER. HE'LL BE DOWN THERE, AND THE ONLY PEOPLE WILL SEE HIM IS THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE MUSEUM. HE WON'T BE AVAILABLE TO BE SEEN IN THE PUBLIC UNLESS YOU GO TO THE MUSEUM. BUT WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE CITY. THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THEIR DEAL, AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO THEIR THING, AND PUBLIC IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING. WE'VE SEEN THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AND I'VE NEVER BEEN UP HERE. ANYWAY, I'M HERE TO HELP MY FATHER BECAUSE HE SAT HERE 82-YEARS-OLD IN THAT CHAIR. MISS PRINTZ SAYS SHE HAS CONFIRMED INFORMATION OF HUMAN REMAINS IN THERE. WELL, THAT'S WRONG. I GOT THE LIST ON MY PHONE RIGHT HERE OF EVERYTHING IN THE BOX. MY FATHER PUT THE BOX IN THE GROUND SO ANYBODY THAT SAYS OTHER WORDS IS WRONG? [01:15:01] >> FOR THE RECORD, I SAID I'D BEEN TOLD BY A RELIABLE SOURCE. >> A RELIABLE SOURCE. WELL, MY FATHER WAS SITTING RIGHT HERE AS A RELIABLE SOURCE. TO SET THE FACTS STRAIGHT, AND I TRIED TO DO THAT, BUT WE COULDN'T TAKE ONE MINUTE AT A TIME TO SET THE FACTS STRAIGHT FROM ONE LIVING MAN THAT'S STILL HERE. >> SIR. >> BOB LANNON HAS PASSED AWAY. WAYNE IRVING HAS PASSED AWAY. MOST OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THAT PIRATE DOWN THERE HAVE PASSED AWAY. MY FATHER IS THE ONLY LIVING MAN THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PIRATE. I'M GOING TO END THIS CONVERSATION AND GOING ABOUT MY DAY. BUT I WANT TO REMAIN TO SAY ONE THING TO THE NEW MAN BRINGING IN HIS NEW PIRATE. IN 55 YEARS TO 60 YEARS, HE WILL BE RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF YOU ALL BECAUSE YOU ALL WON'T BE HERE AND THEY'LL BE DISCUSSING THE SAME THING TO REMOVE HIS PIRATE. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL AND YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT EVENING AND SEE YOU WHENEVER. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> YOU ALL HAVE A NEW DAY. >> MR. JOE BROWN. >> MY NAME IS JOE BROWN, PRESIDENT OF THE FERNDA PIRATE CLUB, AND MY ADDRESS IS 1002, NEXT HERE'S WALK DRIVE. BEEN A LOT OF CONTROVERSY ABOUT REPLACING PETE. NOBODY APPRECIATES THE PIRATE HISTORY AND TRYING TO PROTECT IT IN THIS DOWN IN THE FERNDA PIRATES DO. I GUESS WE OPENED THIS CAN OF WORM ABOUT 2.5, THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE'VE WATCHED [INAUDIBLE] OVER THE YEARS. HE WAS ATTEMPTED TO DO A REPAIR BACK ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO. HE WAS TAKEN DOWN. WASN'T REALLY REPAIRED RIGHT, BUT HE WENT BACK UP, AND ANYBODY THAT'S BEEN THERE, EVERYTHING YOU HEAR, IF PEOPLE JUST TAKE THE TIME, GO DOWN AND LOOK AT HIM, TOUCH HIM, HE'S NOT GOING TO BE AROUND LONG. YOU CAN ACTUALLY STICK YOUR FINGER THROUGH HIM IN PLACES. RIGHT NOW, I WOULD THINK HE'S ALMOST A LIABILITY WITH STILL PEOPLE CLIMBING ON HIM, BUT IF HE WAS TO CRUMBLE AND FALL OVER, HE'S GOING TO HURT SOMEBODY. BUT ANYWAY, WE PROPOSED TWO YEARS AGO BACK IN CHARLIE GEORGE. WE HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP. WE CAME TO THE CITY, PROPOSED THAT, HEY, LET US MAKE A NEW PIRATE. WE DID THE PIRATE CLUB, AFTER TALKING TO A FEW PEOPLE, WE HIRED A YOUNG MAN, 16-YEARS-OLD, I BELIEVE, WAS AT THE TIME IN THE CITY. HE CARVED A NEW PEG LEG IN HIS IMAGE. ARTS ART, THERE WAS NO ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE NEW ONE BUT, HE DID THAT, AND THEN A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON AT THE CITY AT THAT TIME. CHARLIE GEORGIA IN TERN MANAGER, THEN HE TOOK OVER MANAGER. WE GOT IN THE HTC MEETING THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. EVERYTHING GOT PUT ON A BACK BURNER UNTIL RECENTLY HE'S GETTING IN SUCH BAD SHAPE. WE'VE HAD THE NEW ONES BEEN DONE FOR TWO YEARS SITTING IN OUR WAREHOUSE. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REPLACE PEG LEG PETE. WE'RE TRYING TO HELP PRESERVE HIM MORE. HE NEEDS TO BE RETIRED AND TAKEN DOWN. WE DON'T WANT TO SEE HIM CRUMBLE AND FALL. WE DON'T WANT TO SEE HIM GET ANY WORSE SHAPE. PUT IN THE MUSEUM. I WAS AT THE MUSEUM TODAY. I TALKED TO THEM, AND THEY'RE STILL IN AGREEANCE AS LONG AS SOMEBODY BRINGS HIM THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO GET HIM. THEY'RE STILL IN AGREEANCE TO TAKE IN PEG LEG. THE FRONT OF THE PIRATES THE FOOTED THE BILL. WE ARE WILLING TO DONATE THE NEW STATUE TO THE CITY, AND WE EVEN OFFERED TO TAKE CARE OF HIM. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CHARLIE GEORGE AND I HAD WORKED OUT. IF WE DONATED TO THE CITY THAT WE WOULD MAINTAIN HIM. THAT'S STILL UP FOR DISCUSSION. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH HIM. PETE NOW IS 47-YEARS-OLD, AND HE REALLY HASN'T BEEN TAKEN GOOD CARE OF. >> AS FAR AS WHAT'S IN THE TIME CAPSULE IN THE BASE, I BELIEVE IT IS IN THE BASE BEHIND THE THING. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PAPERWORK DOCUMENTING. AS FAR AS ASHES, YES, I'VE SEEN THEM. THERE ARE ASHES. THEY'RE NOT IN THE TIME CAPULE. THEY'RE IN THE STATUE. THEY ARE THERE. I'VE SEEN THE CAPSULE. WHEN WE TOOK HIM DOWN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. IT'S STILL THERE. WE NEVER REALLY THOUGHT MUCH ABOUT IT. WE FIGURED THEY WOULD STAY IN PETE AND GO WITH WHEREVER PETE WAS. A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE ACTUALLY TRIED TO CONTACT THE PERSON'S SON THAT'S IN PEG LEG AND DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY LUCK TO SEE IF THEY WERE INTERESTED IN OBTAINING THEM OR WHATEVER. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT FROM THE PIRATE CLUB STANDPOINT. [01:20:01] >> THANK YOU, SIR. THANKS FOR TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF HIM. >> THANK YOU. >> JETT PAXTON. I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ARTIST HERE. >> HELLO. I'M JETT PAXTON, BY THE WAY. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE SEE THE TWO TS AND GO TO JEFF. I DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH TO SAY, JOE SAID AT ALL. >> CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS? >> OH, SORRY, 2982 FIRST AVENUE, FERNANDINA BEACH FLOOR. >> THANK YOU. I'M A LOCAL BOY. I CARVED THE PIRATE WHEN I WAS 15, REALLY JUST SUPER COOL EXPERIENCE. I LOVED IT. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS ON THE CURRENT PIRATE, AND THAT HE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE OLD ONE. THE COLORS ARE VERY VIBRANT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT PETE HAS BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS, SO HE'S OBVIOUSLY WEATHERED. I DO THINK OVER TIME, THE COLORS OF MINE WILL WEATHER. LIKE JOE SAID, THE CURRENT PIRATE WON'T BE ABLE TO STAND. I RESEARCHED A TON INTO THE STORY. I OBVIOUSLY NEVER MET WAYNE. BUT I THINK WE SHOULD DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO PRESERVE HIM. I DON'T THINK IT'S AN OPINION OF WHETHER YOU LIKE MINE OR THE CURRENT ONE. IT'S THAT WE CAN'T KEEP THE CURRENT ONE UP BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO FALL APART. EVEN FROM A CARVING STANDPOINT, LOOKING AT HIM, HE IS GOING TO FALL. GIVE HIM MAYBE FIVE YEARS, MAYBE LESS. WOOD IS PERISHABLE, IT DOESN'T LAST FOREVER. THAT'S MY OPINION, AND I'M A LITTLE BIASED. YES. >> THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. >> MS. JACKIE STEVENSON. OH, MY. >> HI, EVERYONE. I WANT TO WELCOME OUR NEW CITY ATTORNEY. IT'S MY FIRST TIME INTERACTING WITH YOU. VERY HAPPY THAT YOU ACCEPTED THE POSITION BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY WHAT OUR CITY NEEDS. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME IN FRONT OF ALL OF YOU. SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME UP. >> COULD YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? >> YES. JACQUELINE STEPHENSON, 83 OAK GROVE PLACE. I SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL. I'M JUST GOING TO READ A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY PROBABLY READ IT, BUT I WANT THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND MY VIEWPOINT OF ALL OF THIS. I WANT TO EXPRESS A PROFESSIONAL CONCERN REGARDING THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY, SPECIFICALLY CONCERNING THE PREVIOUS MENTIONED TERMITE DAMAGE AND THE REPORTED USE OF FIBER GLASS FOR REPAIRS. MY BACKGROUND AS A CERTIFIED PROPERTY MANAGER WITH THIS INSTITUTE OF REAL ESTATE MANAGEMENT INCLUDES AN EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN MANAGING PROPERTIES DOWNTOWN HISTORICAL DISTRICTS. IN FACT, IN SOUTH BEND, INDIANA. WE HAVE A HISTORICAL AREA THAT I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MANAGE IN. MY CONCERN IS SOLELY PROFESSIONAL AND STEMS FROM THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING HISTORICAL PROPERTY, AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE EXTENT OF THE DAMAGE DESCRIBED BY THE PREVIOUS ARTIST. I WOULD LIKE TO CONVEY TO THE PUBLIC THE SENTIMENTS REGARDING THE POTENTIAL REPLACEMENT OF P, THE STATUE, AND THE PROPOSED INSTALLATION OF AN IRON FENCE. I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOU ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THE FENCE. THE INFORMATION THAT I READ IN MY PUBLIC REQUEST RECORDS THAT I JUST RECEIVED A HALF HOUR BEFORE THE MEETING. STATED THAT THE STAFF REALLY DIDN'T CARE FOR THE FENCE. BUT THEN THEY HAD LIKE A SIX FOOT FENCE, AND THEN THEY LOWERED IT TO THREE FEET. MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY. CHILDREN ARE JUST GOING TO CLIMB OVER IT ANYWAYS. THE STAFF OFFERED OPTIONS OF SHRUBBERY. IT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER WASTE OF MONEY BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST GOING TO TRAMPLE THE SHRUBBERY. IF YOU HAVE THE STATUE THERE, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. UNLESS YOU COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT BASE FOR WHATEVER YOU PLAN TO PUT THERE IN THE FUTURE. MY CONCERN IS THE RESTORATION AND THE WAY IT WAS MAINTAINED FROM THE TIME FIVE YEARS AGO, I IMAGINE, WHEN THEY FIRST TOOK IT DOWN, AND PRIOR TO THAT, ACCORDING TO SECTION 7153 OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE OF THE ORDINANCE, I QUICKLY FOUND THAT THE ARTWORK WHICH HAS BEEN DONATED TO THE CITY HAS A PERMANENT ART INSTALLATION. IT BECOMES PROPERTY OF THE CITY AND FORMAL ACCEPTANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION. THE CITY IN COOPERATION WITH THE ARTIST SHALL INSTALL THE ARTWORK AND THE MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES WILL BE CONDUCTED BY THE CITY [01:25:03] INDEFINITELY OR UNTIL THE ARTWORK IS REMOVED. I FEEL THE CITY FAILED THE ARTIST WHO DONATED THE WORK. IT WAS NOT MAINTAINED PROPERLY. FIBER GLASS AND THE TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT THEY USED ON THE STATUE ADDED TO, I BELIEVE, TO ITS DEMISE. I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY WHAT ENCOURAGED THE DETERIORATION. HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE, THE CITY WILL COME UP WITH SOME PLANS FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE. BUT THERE IS NO DOCUMENTATION IN HERE OF STRUCTURAL DAMAGE TO THAT STATUE. THERE'S NO INFORMATION IN HERE REGARDING A TERMITE INSPECTION, AND TERMITE DAMAGE OR PEST CONTROL. THERE'S NO INFORMATION HERE REGARDING A 20,000 RESTORATION. THERE'S NO CONTRACT, THERE'S NO ESTIMATE. THERE'S NO COST OR PRICING FOR BROAD AIR FENCING. THERE'S NOTHING. JUST E MAILS OF CONVERSATION THAT'S VERY CASUAL IN LIGHT AND NOT PROFESSIONAL. REGARDING THE PUBLIC. I'VE HAD OVER 600 PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME. I'M VERY HAPPY THAT BOBBY WAS ABLE TO GET HIS FATHER HERE. THAT WAS NOT AN EASY TASK. I WANT TO THANK HIM IF THEY'RE STILL HERE. I DON'T THINK THEY ARE. IT MEANS A LOT TO HIM AND IT MEANS A LOT TO, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE BORN AND RAISED HERE. I MOVED HERE IN 2016, OR PURCHASED IN 2016, MOVED HERE IN 2018. IT MEANS A LOT TO ME BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE MOVED HERE. WE MOVED HERE FOR THE HISTORY AND THE HISTORICAL DOWNTOWN AND THE SMALL MAYBERRY ATMOSPHERE AND JUST THE MARINA AND THE WHOLE PACKAGE. I WANT TO REMAIN POSITIVE BECAUSE I THINK THE ARTWORK THAT THE YOUNG GENTLEMAN CREATED IS BEAUTIFUL. I'M VERY PROUD OF YOU. I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK BY ANY MEANS THAT I WOULD DIMINISH THAT, AND I ENCOURAGE THAT BECAUSE I'M ALSO THE FOUNDER OF THE MERMAIDS TAIL. WHICH IS A FOUNDATION FOR CHILDREN. I FUND THAT MYSELF. I OWN MY OWN BUSINESS IN INDIANA. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME TO ENCOURAGE CHILDREN. I HAVE SOMETHING A GIFT FOR HIM BEFORE I LEAVE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I GIVE CHILDREN. IT'S A RHINOCEROS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A THICK SKIN IN THIS WORLD. A RHINOCEROS HAS 2" OF THICK SKIN, AND AN ELEPHANT HAS ONE. WE NEED TO LEARN TO ACCEPT CRITICISM, AND SOMETIMES YOU GET THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AND YOU CANNOT CONTROL WHAT PEOPLE SAY. YOU CAN ONLY TRY TO LEARN FROM YOUR BEHAVIOR AND THEN MOVE FORWARD AND TRY TO BE BETTER. IT'S NOT ABOUT SHAME, AND IT'S NOT ABOUT SHAME FOR ANY OF YOU EITHER OR THE CITY. IT'S THE PAST. I DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A GREAT COMMISSION MOVING FORWARD, THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND I THINK THE MANAGER, SARAH CAMPBELL, IS GOING TO OFFER SOME GREAT BENEFIT TO THE CITY. I THINK SHE'S A NO NONSENSE LADY, SO SHE'S LIKE MYSELF IN THAT WAY. I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THE VALUABLE COMMUNITY INSIGHTS BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM BECAUSE I BELIEVE CITIES TRUST. IT'S ERODING. LITTLE BY LITTLE, IT MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A BIG DEAL TO EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT MOVING A STATUE LIKE THAT IS A BIG DEAL TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. TO HAVE THAT BACKGROUND AND HAVE THE DETAILS IN THE DOCUMENTATION, BECAUSE IT'S NOT HERE. THERE'S NO ONE HERE, NOTHING HERE, MA'AM, THAT TELLS ME IT'S WORTH THE RESTORATIONS $28,000. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO LOOK INTO A WOOD RESTORATION COMPANY, A ONE WHO SPECIALIZE IN THAT, AND PERHAPS LEARN MORE. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF WE COULD GET SOMEBODY TO VOLUNTEER TO HELP TEACH THE STUDENT HOW TO REPAIR, THE STATUTE. THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. JUST ASKING YOU TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. I'VE READ AND WATCHED NUMEROUS YOUTUBE VIDEOS REGARDING WOOD RESTORATION, AND I AM THE PERSON THAT I WANT PROOF BEFORE I BELIEVE SOMETHING. I HAVE VERY HIGH AND CRITICAL THINKING. SO I WANT PROOF THAT THAT STATUTE IS FAILING. I AM ASKING YOU TO PROVIDE THAT PROOF. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. JONATHAN WOLF. >> HELLO >> HELLO SIR. >> HEY, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS JONATHAN WOLF, PROPERTY ADDRESS 29 82 FIRST AVENUE. [01:30:06] I AM AN ARTIST BY TRADE. I'M A THEATER ARTIST SPECIFICALLY, I'M A THEATER DIRECTOR. I ALSO WORK FOR HISTORIC TROLLEYS AND HISTORY. I WAS A HISTORY TEACHER AS WELL. HISTORY IS OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR CITIES. PIRATE HISTORY'S AWESOME. WE TALK ABOUT IT EVERY DAY AT HISTORIC TOURS. PIRATE HISTORY IS HERE AND FERNANDINA, ALIVE AND WELL. THAT'S AWESOME WITH YOUR SHRIMP FESTIVALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE'VE REALLY ENJOYED THEM. I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE CITY DID RIGHT OR WRONG. THAT'S NOT MY PLACE. THAT'S FOR YOUR OWN PLACE AND FOR YOUR OWN JUDGMENTS. I WANT TO APPRECIATE THE PIRATE, HE DID ON THE LAST PIECE AND THE ENTIRE PIRATE FOUNDATION TO SUSTAIN IT, MAINTAIN IT. I THINK IT'S AN HONORABLE END TO THAT STATUE. IF IT CAN STAY IN THE CERTAIN POSITION THAT IT'S IN WHILE WE'RE MAINTAINING IT, GREAT, BUT TO LOSE A NEW ARTIST AND TO HAVE HIM COMMISSIONED BY THAT PIRATE FOUNDATION, TO LOSE HIM OUT OF THE BAD FAITH IDEAL. ANYWAY, THE BULLYING THAT HAS HAPPENED ONLINE IS HORRIFIC. ART IS SUBJECTIVE. IT WILL ALWAYS BE SUBJECTIVE. THE IDEA THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A COMMITTEE TO TELL AN ARTIST WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IN THEIR ART IS ALSO RIDICULOUS. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. AN ARTIST HAS THE IDEALS THAT THEY HAVE, AND THEY PUT IT THERE. HE WON OUT. JETT PAXTON DID. OTHER PEOPLE ALSO ASKED TO DO THIS. HE WON OUT. HE GOT THE OPTION. HE GOT THE OFFER. HE DID IT. HE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO IT. AS A 15-YEAR-OLD, BLOOD, LITERALLY. HE CUT HIMSELF MANY TIMES. NEW ARTISTS DID THEIR OWN APPLICATION, WENT WITH THE PIRATE FOUNDATION. ARTISTIC INTEGRITY, THIS WORLD IS TRANSIENT. I'M GOING TO TELL JETT PAXTON YOUR PIECE WILL FAIL. JUST LIKE THE LIGHTHOUSE AND ST. AUGUSTINE FAIL FELL INTO THE OCEAN. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THERE FOREVER. KNOW THAT. I APPRECIATED THE PASSION OF THE FIRST GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE. I ABSOLUTELY DO. HEART CENTERED, TRULY, A HEART CENTER. I FEEL FOR HIM. WHATEVER WE CAN DO AS A CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HONOR THAT STATUE WE SHOULD. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A DARK LEGACY. IF YOU START LETTING YOUNG ARTISTS BE COMMISSIONED AND THEN STEAL THAT AWAY FROM THEM. YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE, THOUGH. A YOUNG MAN, PUT HIS TIME EFFORT AND ARTISTIC ABILITY, I'M SORRY FOR MY OWN SHAKY WORDS. TO PUT THAT IN TO YOUR CITY IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO HAVE THAT YOUNG MAN HERE FOR 80 PLUS YEARS TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE STORY OF PEG LEG PETE, TO TELL THE STORY OF THE LAST ONE TO TAKE CARE OF HIS OWN WORK. I DON'T CARE WHO MAINTAINS IT. I WOULD ASK YOU TO RESPECT THE ARTIST. HOWEVER, HE SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE TO BE MAINTAINED. FINALLY, THE WOMAN THAT JUST SPOKE YES. JETT PAXTON NEEDS TO HAVE A THICK SKIN. A LOT OF THAT THICK SKIN COMING FROM YOU. SOME OF THE WORDS SAID ONLINE WERE IRREPROACHABLE. SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW OLD THE ARTIST IS. IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THEY'RE A CHILD. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH TIME AND EFFORT THEY PUT INTO IT. IT DOESN'T MATTER, ALL IS THAT DOESN'T MATTER. THE WORDS SPOKEN MATTER. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO EDIT THEIR WORDS ONCE THEY REALIZED, OH, I JUST INSULTED A KID. YES, YOU DID. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SELL. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. I APPRECIATE IT. WHATEVER YOU DECIDE, I'M GOING TO TRUST THAT'S WHAT GOD'S PLAN IS FOR THE CITY. I LOVE YOU ALL. THANKS SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. MS. JULIE FERRERA. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JULIE FERRERA. I LIVE AT 501 DATE STREET. I'VE LIVED IN FERNANDINA FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, AND I HAVE ALWAYS ADVOCATED FOR QUALITY OF LIFE AND FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND I THINK THAT PEG LEG PETE HAS A LOT OF EMOTIONAL CONNECTION FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. I HAVE A FRIEND WHO IS AN ARTIST, HE COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT WITH SOME POLYESTER RESIN INJECTED INTO THE CURRENT PEG LEG PETE, HE COULD BE PRESERVED LONGER. I THINK THAT THE STATUE THAT JET DID IS AMAZING, [01:35:02] AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE IT INTO THE NEW WATERFRONT PARK. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO HAVE BOTH OF THESE THINGS WITH PEG LEG PETE AND PUTTING A FENCE, NO MATTER WHICH PEG LEG PETE, IT SEEMS PUTTING A FENCE AROUND A STATUE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS. THE CITY HAS YET TO BE SUED, THAT I KNOW OF, BECAUSE SOME KID FELL OFF THE PEDESTAL. I WAS WONDERING IF IT'S POSSIBLE IF THIS IS DETERMINED TO BE A HUGE DANGER TO THE PUBLIC THAT THERE COULDN'T BE A CIRCULAR BENCH PUT AROUND HIM WHERE PEOPLE COULD SIT. IF KIDS WANT TO CLIMB AND STAND NEXT TO PEG LEG PETE, GREAT, WHO CARES? THERE'S A LOT OF NATURAL NATIONAL PARKS AND STATE PARKS WHERE YOU HAVE OVERLOOKS THAT GO DOWN HUNDREDS OF FEET, AND WE DON'T HAVE A FENCE PROTECTING PEOPLE FROM FALLING OVER. I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE FOR THE WHOLE DISCUSSION. I GOT HERE LATE FOR THAT, I APOLOGIZE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BEFORE, BUT I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO COULD HELP AND PRESERVE WHAT WE HAVE, AND THEN WE COULD CELEBRATE WHAT WE HAVE BEEN GIFTED WITH THROUGH JET. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> IF I CAN DO ANYTHING TO HELP MOVE THAT ALONG, I CERTAINLY WOULD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BOARD DISCUSSION. WHAT ARE WE THINKING? >> I'D LIKE TO JUST CLARIFY ABOUT THE REMAINS SITUATION BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CONTINUING TO A DATE CERTAIN UNTIL MORE RESEARCH WAS DONE, WHAT ARE THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS? IF THERE ARE CREMAINS IN THERE, HOW IS THAT VERIFIED, NUMBER ONE? THE CITY WASN'T AWARE THAT CREMAINS WERE PUT IN THERE AND I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION FROM THE LAST TIME WE HEARD THIS CASE, SOMEBODY GOT, I BELIEVE IT WAS LAWRENCE THAT GOT UP AND THEY TESTIFIED UNDER OATH THAT WHEN THEY DID THE LAST REPAIR, OR ONE OF THE REPAIRS, THEY PUT THE CREMAINS OF SOMEBODY IN THERE, SO LEGALLY, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME BEARING ON WHAT HAPPENS TO THE STATUE AT THIS TIME, IS THAT RIGHT? >> THANK YOU. THE REASON I BROUGHT IT UP AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING IS I BECAME AWARE OF THIS AT ABOUT 3:00 THIS AFTERNOON AND I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO RESEARCH IT. I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE TO WE MAY HAVE TO TAKE SPECIFIC MEASURES OR WHOMEVER REMOVES IT, WOULD HAVE TO TAKE SPECIFIC MEASURES IF THERE ARE CREMAINS IN THERE. THEY, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, IS JUST WHAT I'VE HEARD TODAY IS, NOBODY APPROVED THEM BEING IN THERE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. MORE RESEARCH WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE BY ME TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. IF YOU WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT, YOU COULD DO IT CONTINGENT UPON IT BEING REMOVED PROPERLY IF THERE ARE ANY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CREMATION. BUT IT'S SOMETHING I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK INTO FURTHER BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT. I KNOW ENOUGH TO BE CONCERNED THAT THERE ARE CREMAINS IN THERE. SO FAR WE'VE HAD RELIABLE SOURCES TELL US THERE ARE, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO INVESTIGATE THAT, CONFIRM IT, AND THEN I WOULD LOOK INTO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MOVE IT PROPERLY. >> WELL, SHOULD WE BITE THIS IN SMALL PIECES? LIKE MAYBE GO THINGS THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE SOMEWHAT IN AGREEMENT ON, SHOULD WE START WITH THE FENCE? REGARDLESS OF WHO'S BEHIND THE FENCE OR BEHIND THE NO FENCE? >> I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THE FENCE THAT'S EXISTING BETWEEN THE RAILROAD AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I THINK THERE'S A PRETTY MUCH UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THAT IS NOT THE FENCE WE WOULD PREFER TO SEE. AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY APPETITE ON THIS BOARD TO APPROVE YET MORE OF IT TO BE INSTALLED ANYWHERE. >> I AGREE. >> AGREE. >> I'M GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT APPROACH RATHER THAN THE SMALL BITES. THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS ABOUT WHAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY THAT ARE OF CONCERN TO ME. ONE OF WHICH IS THE SAFETY, EVEN THE NEW VERSION OF WHAT'S PLANNED TO BE INSTALLED IS NOT DEEMED TO BE ALL THAT SAFE OR HASN'T BEEN LOOKED AT WITH THOSE EYES. THE BASE ITSELF, THAT PICTURE, IS THAT A REAL PICTURE? >> I THINK THAT'S COMPUTER GENERATED. >> OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE INTENT TO CHANGE IT. BUT THAT'S NOT REAL. >> I THINK THAT'S A COMPUTER GENERATED ESTIMATION ON WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AFTER. >> SO IF WE WERE TO TAKE THE COMPONENTS, [01:40:01] WE HAVE WE WANT TO REPLACE SOMETHING, THE REQUEST IS THAT WE REPLACE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS NOT MAINTAINED BECAUSE THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE ANY LEGAL DOCUMENTATION SAYING THEY SHOULD. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT, JERMICA? COME UP HERE, PLEASE, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GRILL YOU. >> PULL UP GOOGLE OVERVIEW OF THAT STATUTE, PLEASE, I WANT TO SHOW SOMETHING. >> BUT THE CITY HAS NOT MAINTAINED IT BECAUSE UNTIL THIS ORDINANCE THAT YOU REFERRED TO IN 2024 WAS DEVELOPED, THAT'S STILL NOT BAKED YET FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM YOU, THE CITY HAD NO SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING DONATED? >> THERE WAS NO FORMAL AGREEMENT ON THE AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY. WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT? THAT BEING SAID IN 1999, ONE OF THE JOBS THAT I HAD WAS TO REPAINT, EXCUSE ME, PETE. AND THIS CONVERSATION BROUGHT THAT TO MIND AS I SAT DOWN THERE FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AND REPAINTED THE ENTIRE STATUE, SO THAT WAS A JOB THAT I HAD WHEN I WAS IN THE STREETS DIVISION IN 1999. SO THE CITY DID MAINTAIN IT. AT ONE POINT, I THINK IT WAS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT. >> MAINTAINED IT IN TERMS OF PAINTING IT? >> PAINTING IT, NOT RESTORATION, CORRECT. THE SOLE PROBLEM THAT MAKES THIS THING DANGEROUS AT THIS POINT. >> CORRECT. TO MS. STEVENSON'S POINT, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY RECENT ENGINEERING ASSESSMENT OF THE STRUCTURE. WHILE YOU ARE TALKING, I REACHED OUT TO A LOCAL STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AND SAID, HEY, IF ASSUMING THAT YOU ALL MIGHT WANT TO CONTINUE THIS, IF WE COULD GET IMMEDIATE LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT IMMEDIATE SAFETY HAZARD ISSUE, THEN LET'S DO THAT. BECAUSE AS BEEN MENTIONED IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS SINCE MR. GEORGE DISCUSSED THE SAFETY OF THE STRUCTURE, AND JUST WANT TO AT LEAST HAVE AN ENGINEER LOOK AT AND SAY, THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE HAZARD HERE. DO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO SORT THIS OUT? SO WE'LL LIKELY DO THAT HERE IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. >> CAN I INPUT SOMETHING? >> SURE. >> THOSE OF YOU THAT KNOW ME KNOW THAT I AM A STAUNCH PRESERVATIONIST. AND I SAVED EVERY TERMITE RIDDEN SCRAP OF WOOD, ROB KNOWS, BECAUSE HE SAID EVERYTHING IN MY HOUSE IS SO HEAVY, BUT I TREATED IT, I BORATED IT, AND I REUSED IT CAUSE IT'S THE REAL DEAL. AT OUR LAST MEETING, IF YOU GO BACK AND WATCH IT, WHEN THIS CAME UP AT NOVEMBER 2023, MY BEEF WAS THERE'S STRUCTURAL EPOXIES, THERE'S TWO PART EPOXIES, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU CAN YOU EXPLORE THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WENT. TODAY, ON THE WAY OVER, WELL, I WENT TO SEE PETE EARLIER THIS WEEK AND HONESTLY, IT'S THE FIRST TIME I CLIMBED UP PETE. I HAVE PICTURES OF MY MOM SITTING IN FRONT OF THEM, BUT SHE DIDN'T CLIMB UP THEM, AND I NEVER DID EITHER. I CLIMBED UP THEM, AND I TOOK A SERIES OF PHOTOS, AND I WAS SHOCKED AT THE AMOUNT OF DEVASTATION. JACKIE, I APPRECIATE YOUR BACKGROUND AND YOUR EXPERIENCE AS A PRESERVATIONIST AND KNOWING ALL THE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS THAT WERE OUT THERE, HE'S BEEN IMPROPERLY MAINTAINED. THERE'S BIG STUFF THAT'S BEEN BLOWN INTO HIM TO FILL CRACKS, AND THAT JUST EXACERBATES THE PROBLEM. TODAY, I BROUGHT MY MOISTURE METER TO PETE AND I HAVE READINGS FROM THE LOWEST I GOT UNDERNEATH HIS COAT IN HIS CROTCH WAS 30% MOISTURE. HIS BREAST WAS 42%. I HAVE I CRAZY READINGS, AND WHEN I PUT MY METER ON HIS ON HIS TOP, IT ALMOST WENT RIGHT THROUGH HIM. >> BUT I HOPE NOBODY TOOK PICTURES OF YOU. >> I DON'T KNOW [INAUDIBLE]. SOMEBODY STOPPED ME AND ASKED ME WHAT I WAS DOING. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO BRING UP IS FROM EXPERIENCES, YES, THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT PRODUCTS THAT YOU CAN USE. HOWEVER, THESE PRODUCTS, AND ROB CAN PROBABLY ATTEST TO THIS, WHEN YOU HAVE, IT MAY BE TERMITES, IT MAY NOT, I SAW NO EVIDENCE OF CRITTERS. WHAT I SAW EVIDENCE WAS WOOD DESTROYING FUNGUS. THE MOISTURE GETS IN FIRST, AND ALL THOSE SPORES NEED IS A DARK PLACE, A FOOD SOURCE, WHICH IS THE WOOD, AND THE MOISTURE. I'M DEALING WITH IT AT MY HOUSE AND LITERALLY, I HAVE TO DIG THINGS OUT AND YOU THINK YOU GET TO A CLEAN SPOT, YOU HAVE TO TREAT IT WITH BORATE, THEN YOU PUT A BEAUTIFUL COATING ON IT, IT'S FINE, THEN YOU GO BACK IN THE NEXT SPOT, IT'S SOFT. I'M THINKING AS A PRESERVATIONIST, HOW COULD WE MAKE THIS GUY WORK? BY THE TIME WE PEEL ALL THE IMPROPER COATINGS OFF OF HIM, THERE'S NOTHING LEFT UNDERNEATH IT. THAT'S THE SCARY THING. AS A PRESERVATIONIST HISTORIAN, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS BEFORE THIS LITERALLY FALLS APART BEFORE OUR EYES, IS THERE A WAY TO ENCAPSULATE IT NOW, SO IT DOESN'T CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE. [01:45:02] THEN WHATEVER WE DO WITH IT, IF IT GOES TO THE MUSEUM, IF A DIFFERENT ONE GOES UP, CAN WE HAVE MAYBE A HISTORICAL MARKER THAT HAS THE HISTORY OF THIS THAT WAS THERE, AND THEN POINTS TO WHERE THE ACTUAL ORIGINAL ONE IS. IT'S LIKE PLYMOUTH ROCK, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT UNDERNEATH THE THING, AND THEN YOU CAN GO CLIMB ON THE BIG ROCKS. IT'S LIKE A TAIL OF TWO ROCKS OR A TAIL OF TWO PETS. I AGREE WITH BOTH POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, BUT JUST FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, YOU CAN STICK THE BEST RESTORATIONIST ON IT BUT WHEN YOU START REMOVING WHAT'S BAD, THERE'S NOTHING LEFT, DO YOU MAKE A CASTING FIRST AND THEN TRY TO DUPLICATE THAT? THAT'S THE TOUGH PART. >> I THINK WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS SOME EVIDENCE FROM SOMEBODY WHO HAS THE EXPERTISE TO SAY THAT THE CURRENT STATUTE MIGHT NOT BE SALVAGEABLE. SOUNDS LIKE IT'S FAR FROM IT, ACTUALLY. JEREMIAH, WAS THERE AN ESTIMATE GIVEN BY THE RESTORATION PEOPLE THAT LOOKED AT IT? >> YES. TWO YEARS AGO, SOUTHEASTERN CONSERVATION SERVICES EXAMINED THE STATUE, AND DUE TO THE EXCESS OF THIS IS BACK IN 2023, DUE TO THE EXTENSIVE WOOD ROT AND MOISTURE UNDER THE EXTERIOR COATING, IT WAS ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT $28,000 FOR THE STATUE ALONE. >> THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO SO IT COULD IN FACT BE HIGHER. >> THAT WOULD BE, YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THAT WAS THE OPINION, BUT THAT WAS WHAT WAS PROVIDED IN 2023. >> SO WHAT THIS BOARD IS BEING ASKED TO DECIDE IS WHETHER THIS NEW STATUTE IS APPROPRIATE DOWNTOWN. I'M GUESSING THAT THAT WAS NEVER ASKED BY ANYBODY WHEN THE FIRST ONE WENT UP, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO NOW. WHAT I WILL SAY IS, YOUNG MAN, YOU DID A FINE JOB, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS MUCH MORE AROUND WHAT THE CITY'S GOING TO DO WITH IT NOW REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S YOUR STATUE OR SOMEBODY ELSE'S STATUE THAT GETS BORN SOMEWHERE. BECAUSE IT IS WORK THAT DESERVES TO BE MAINTAINED AND WE DID NOT DO THAT, THE CITY HAS NOT DONE THAT IN THE PAST. I THINK THAT THAT WHOLE THING ABOUT GETTING THIS ORDINANCE STRAIGHT AND THE APPLICATION THAT GOES WITH IT, NEEDS TO BE FULLY BAKED BEFORE THE CITY ACCEPTS ANY DONATION FROM ANYBODY RIGHT NOW. I THINK THIS IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NOBODY THINKS IT'S THEIR JOB. >> EXACTLY. >> I DON'T KNOW, AM I WRONG WITH THIS? >> NOT WRONG. I DID HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT NEW ORDINANCE, IS THAT GOING TO INCLUDE SOME SAFETY STANDARDS FOR PUBLIC ART THAT PEOPLE CAN INTERACT WITH? BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TO ANTICIPATE MISUSE. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CLIMB ON IT. YOU CAN PUT A FENCE AROUND IT, YOU CAN PUT BUSHES, YOU CAN ELECTRIFY THE THING, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO STILL GOING TO CLIMB ON IT, AND I THINK WHATEVER HAPPENS, WE NEED TO HAVE A LOCAL ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT INCLUDES CRITERIA FOR PLACEMENT OF PUBLIC ART. I'D FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE VOTING YAY OR NAY ON SOMETHING IF WE HAD SOME CONCRETE ORDINANCE THAT I COULD LOOK AT AND APPLY TO WHATEVER THE ELEMENT IS. >> MA'AM. ABSOLUTELY. THAT NEEDS TO BE A DECISION POINT IN THE APPLICATION BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL DO EXACTLY THAT. THE FENCE WASN'T THERE WHEN PEG LEG PETE WENT UP, OBVIOUSLY, THAT CAME IN MUCH MUCH LATER. BUT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE FENCE AROUND THE STRUCTURE OR BUSHES WAS DISCUSSED AS BEING AN OPTION IS BECAUSE ONE OF OUR FERNANDINA'S POLICE OFFICERS OBSERVED SOMEONE FALL OFF THE BACK OF THAT FOR A PHOTO SHOOT, THEY WERE STANDING ON ON THAT PLATFORM THERE, FALLBACK AND FROM HIS VANTAGE POINT, IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE THEY IMPALED ON THE FENCE. IT WAS IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, IT WAS JUST FROM HIS VANTAGE POINT, THE PERSON WAS FINE, BUT THAT BECAME VERY CLEARLY AN ALMOST SEVERE ACCIDENT BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, AND THAT'S WHY I HAD ME PULL THIS UP, YOU HAVE ABOUT THREE FEET BETWEEN THAT BASE AND THE BACK OF THAT FENCE. NOW, SOME OF THOSE SPIKES HAVE BEEN BROKEN OFF, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE SAFETY CONCERN THERE OF HAVING SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD STEP UP ON, [01:50:04] AND THEN IF YOU WERE TO FALL OFF, WHICH IS NOT A VERY, IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE STEPPED ON OR WALKED ON, YOU COULD SEE THE SAFETY CONCERN THAT'S PRESENT THERE, AND IT ALMOST WAS A SERIOUS ACCIDENT. >> HAVING THE SWEET VIBURNUM OR WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE TO USE BACK THERE WILL BE GREAT. >> A BUFFER FOR THAT, CORRECT. >> BUT WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THEN IS THAT WE DON'T YET HAVE A FINISHED DESIGN TO APPROVE. ALL YOU HAVE IS A DESIGN FOR A NEW STATUTE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE FINISHED DESIGN THAT INCORPORATES THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE FOR SAFETY. >> IS THAT FAIR? >> THAT'S FAIR ASSESSMENT. >> BECAUSE WE WOULD BE ASKING FOR DRAWINGS THAT OUTLINE WHAT IS THE BASE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE? I KNOW THAT THE INFORMATION WE WERE GIVEN CALLED FOR SOME BOLTS TO HELP ATTACH IT, BUT THERE'S NO ACTUAL DETAIL THAT SHOWS HOW ARE THOSE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED? DO THEY GO DOWN THROUGH THE EXISTING BASE OF THE WOOD BASE OF THE THE NEW STATUE, ARE THEY MOUNTED ON METAL BRACKETS AND THEN IS FIXED TO IT? WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE WHAT TYPICALLY ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE ALWAYS ASKING FOR HERE IS WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING YES TO BEFORE WE CONSIDER YES. RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. >> YOU HAVE SIX ITEMS UNDER YOUR APPLICATION, I BELIEVE, RIGHT FOR CONSIDERATION. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON YOUR END? >> SIX ITEMS UNDER THE [INAUDIBLE]. >> CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL? >> MAYBE SOME FEEDBACK, RECOGNIZING THIS IS LIKELY GOING TO CONTINUE OR JUST BE A HARD NO. BUT SOME FEEDBACK ON THOSE SIX ITEMS WOULD HELP STAFF GOING FORWARD DETERMINE WHAT WOULD CONSIDER MAYBE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, WHAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST FOR US TO ADDRESS GOING FORWARD. THE FENCING, THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME A CONSENSUS THAT THAT'S NOT THE LOOK THAT YOU ALL WANT. MAYBE SOME SHRUBBERY AROUND IT WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS AND REDESIGN OF THE BASE, HE COULD DO AS WELL. COULD YOU ALSO GET A SECOND OPINION ON THE RESTORATION THAT WAS PROPOSED BACK IN 2023? SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WE WERE TO GET A SECOND OPINION. MAYBE JUST SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT HELP STAFF MOVE FORWARD IN A DIRECTION THAT MAKES SENSE. >> WELL, I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MOST OF WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT IS HOW IS THIS THING GOING TO BE ANCHORED TO THE BASE? HOW IS THE BASE GOING TO BE STABLE AND ENSURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO BE FALLING OFF AT EVERY FIVE MINUTES. I DON'T KNOW. SOMEBODY SUGGESTED PUT A LARGER BASE ON TOP OF THAT ONE. WHATEVER THE RIGHT ANSWER IS, IS UP TO THE CITY'S CRITERIA FOR SAFETY. I THINK MOST OF THAT IS THE SAFETY PIECE OF IT. NOBODY WANTS TO SEE THAT. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF YOU'VE MADE IT AND DESIGNED IT IN A WAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN THE GROUND SAFELY, THEN I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE DECISION ON WHICH STATUE IS THERE IS DEPENDENT ON ANOTHER REVIEW, ON HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO FIX THIS ONE. >> I THINK PART OF THAT TOO MIGHT BE IF THERE WAS A THOUGHT OF MOVING THE ORIGINAL PEG LEG, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME ASSURANCES THAT FROM THE MUSEUM, NOT JUST HEARSAY, THAT ONE, THEY WILL ACCEPT IT TO HOW WILL THEY TREAT IT? HOW WILL BE PRESERVED, NOT JUST STUCK IN A CLOSET SOMEWHERE OR OUTSIDE TO CONTINUE TO RITE. THAT THERE IS SOME HONORING OF THIS, MAYBE THE MARKER THAT HAS THE HISTORY, AND MAYBE EVEN A AN OUTDOOR PHOTO THAT SHOWS IT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF OUR RECENT HISTORY. >> IT IS. >> THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART. >> WE ALSO HAVE THE CONCERN ABOUT THE REMAINS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKED AT IN ALL OF THAT LIGHT. I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC MENTIONED THIS, AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, THAT THE NEW STATUTE COULD EASILY BE PUT AT PIRATES PARK. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT ITS NAME IS, IS PIRATES PARK. IF IN FACT, THE DECISION COMES DOWN TO RESTORING THIS ONE. THAT'S A BIG IF BUT THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE OTHER PLACES WHERE WE DON'T DO THIS YOUNG MAN'S WORK DAMAGE. SIR, WE'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL GET TO YOU, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, IS THAT OKAY. [01:55:06] I JUST WANT US TO BE CLEAR, WHAT WE'RE PUTTING UP AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT BEFORE WE CAN VOTE ON A DESIGN. >> I HAVE ONE OTHER THOUGHT ABOUT THE CLIMABILITY ASPECT OF THIS. IN THE LARGER DOMAIN OF PUBLIC ART, JIM PREPARED A NICE PIECE WHERE IT DOES SAY ANTICIPATE MISUSE. IS IT A TERRIBLE THING IF PEOPLE DO CLIMB ON THIS AND THEY TAKE THEIR PICTURES THERE AND WHEN I DROVE AROUND, ONE OF THE MINI CRUISE SHIPS WAS IN OR A BUS OR SOMETHING. EVERYBODY, THAT'S THE FIRST PHOTO THAT THEY ALL TAKE. NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, WE HAVE THE SALOON PIRATE. EVERYBODY'S HANGING ON THE HIM AND TAKING PHOTOS WITH THEIR BAGS AND HUGGING HIM. JADE HAS ONE OUTSIDE NOW. WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIRATES IN TOWN. AGAIN, IT BECOMES A TALE OF TWO PIRATES. THERE'S SO MUCH EMOTION ATTACHED TO THIS SPECIFIC ONE. LET'S KEEP THEM SOMEWHERE, FIX THEM, OR KEEP THEM AND HONOR HIM. THEN MAYBE WE CHANGED THE BASE A LITTLE BIT, SO IT'S NOT AS APPEALING. IT'S NOT CONSIDERED AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE. BUT IF SOMEBODY DOES GO UP THERE, WHICH I'M A KID AND THAT FENCE IS THERE, I'M WALKING ON THAT FENCE. THEN I'M JUMPING UP OVER IT. WE NEED TO ANTICIPATE THAT. >> DID WE GIVE YOU WHAT YOU SAID YOU NEEDED? >> THERE'S A VIDEO RECORDING OF THIS MEETING SO I'LL GO BACK. >> I'M GOING TO [INAUDIBLE]. >> I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED SOME RISK ASSESSMENT OR AN ENGINEERING STUDY OF THE EXISTING PIRATE AND THE NEW PIRATE, AS FAR AS WHAT'S THE SURVIVABILITY OF THESE TWO THINGS LONG TERM? WHAT'S THE RISK OF THEM TOPPLING OVER, ETC. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE CURRENTLY ANY DOCUMENTATION OF WHAT THAT ANALYSIS WOULD SHOW US. THAT MIGHT HELP INFORM US TOO WHAT DIRECTION WE SHOULD GO. >> I WOULD VERY MUCH REQUEST THAT THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU REFERRED TO AND THE APPLICATION THAT GOES WITH THAT IS BAKED BEFORE IT COMES BACK HERE SO THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHO'S IN CHARGE, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE. I THINK JUST AS WITH THE CITY, OVER THE YEARS, WHEN MAINTENANCE BUDGETS KEPT GETTING CUT. I THINK STAFF DOES HEROIC WORK THAT GOES UNNOTICED, AND I THINK THE PIRATES DID HEROIC WORK TO TRY TO KEEP THIS THING LIVING. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THAT WE'VE STOPPED HAVING TO DO THE HEROICS AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. I'M HOPING THAT THAT ORDINANCE OUTLINES WHAT THAT RIGHT WAY IS. >> WE WANT THIS THING, WHEREVER THE NEW ONE GOES. WHAT A GREAT NEW STORY. THIS IS OUR NEW HISTORY. >> THIS IS AMAZING. >> CAN BE A NEW PAL PENSON. >> WHAT WE DON'T WANT TOO IS, IN THE DETAIL, ALL THAT WAS PROVIDED WAS THE SPLIT ANCHORS, I THINK THEY'RE THREE EIGHTH INCH BOLTS OR SOMETHING. WHEN WE HAVE THAT SMALL INCH BASE ON IT, YOU START DRILLING IN 3, 4, 05, 3/8 INCH HOLES IN THERE, YOU'RE ALREADY WEAKENING THAT POINT OF IT. IT MIGHT STICK INTO THE CONCRETE, BUT THEN THE WOOD'S GOING TO [INAUDIBLE]. >> WHAT ARE WE SAYING? WE WANT TO CONTINUE THIS? DOES WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE? >> THE DATE CERTAIN [INAUDIBLE]. >> [INAUDIBLE] OR TABLE IT. >> TABLE IT? JEREMIAH, LET ME GET THIS MAN'S COMMENT. YES, SIR. SORRY, YOU'RE BEING RECORDED. >> AGAIN, JONATHAN WOLF, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLE. IT'S LASTED FOR 50 PLUS YEARS. IT'S WOOD. TO HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU GOT, IT'S GOING TO BE WOOD AGAIN. JADE, WHAT WAS THE WOOD YOU MADE? >> BABEL. >> STRONG WOOD? >> YES. >> IT'S GOING TO DO ITS BEST. BUT THE REALITY IS KIDS SHOULDN'T BE RIDING. THIS IS ART. THEY SHOULD NOT BE CLIMBING ON ART. YES, I UNDERSTAND YOUR SAFETY CONCERNS. THAT FENCE RIGHT THERE, 3.5 FEET TALL. THEY CAN CLIMB THAT FENCE AND HURT THEMSELVES AND PEEL THEMSELVES ON THAT FENCE. THAT TREE RIGHT THERE, SAME SITUATION, CLIMB THE TREE, FALL. YOU SHOULD NOT BE CLIMBING ON ANY PIECE OF ART THAT'S THERE. WHAT THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST IS, IS WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE STATUES? >> NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. >> CAN WE VOTE ON THE STATUTES PLACEMENT AND THE RENEWAL OF THE STATUE OR ON THE NEW STATUTE, CAUSE IT'S A STRONG STATUTE WHAT THE BASE IS THAT YOU NEED TO DO WITH THE CITY INDIVIDUAL? THAT IS SECONDARY. THAT CAN BE ON ANY STATUTE, [02:00:02] HOW YOU PROTECT THE NEW ONE, OR HOW YOU PROTECT THE OLD ONE, THAT BASE IS A SEPARATE SITUATION. >> LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO. THIS BOARD, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MYSELF, ARE LICENSED PROFESSIONALS WHO HAVE THE EXPERTISE BEHIND THEIR NAMES TO KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO SEE IN ORDER TO APPROVE SOMETHING. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN WITH SINGLE HOMES, WITH TOWN HOMES, WITH EVERYTHING THAT COMES BEFORE THIS BOARD. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THESE FOLKS NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR PROFESSIONAL SIGNATURE ON. WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE SEPARATED. THE STATUTE CANNOT BE SEPARATED FROM THE BASE. THE INSTALLATION CANNOT BE SEPARATED. WE CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE AND PROFESSIONAL INTEGRITY, SIGN ON THAT. >> WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. >> WITHOUT IT, THAT THIS IS OUR SOLUTION, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD ONE BECAUSE IT FORCES THE CITY TO DO SOMETHING THEY HAVEN'T DONE YET, AND IT FORCES US TO KEEP THIS OPEN AND IN MIND SO THAT PEOPLE AND YOU KNOW WHAT? TURN OFF SOCIAL MEDIA, BECAUSE THE ONLY THING THAT PEOPLE DO OUT THERE IS CALL EVERYBODY ELSE NAMES. IT SEEMS TO BE THE PLACE TO GO TO DO IT. JUST STOP LOOKING AT IT YET, REALLY? HONEST TO GOD, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT IN MY LIFE BECAUSE I'M OLD. AT ANY RATE. >> WHICH MAKES IT EVEN THAT MUCH MORE IMPRESSIVE. >> VERY QUICKLY. >> I'M SORRY. SOME OF THE CONCERNS. THE BASE ON THE NEW STATUE IS MUCH MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN THE BASE ON THE OLD ONE. THE ONLY THING HOLDING THE OLD ONE ON THE PEDESTAL NOW IS THERE'S A PEG THAT COMES UP OUT OF THE CONCRETE INTO HIS LEG. >> THAT'S GREAT. >> THAT'S THE ONLY THING HOLDING THE OLD ONE DOWN. RIGHT NOW, WHEN JADE CARVED IT, THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WOOD LEFT THERE THAT WE CAN EITHER TAKE THAT OFF AND DO THE SAME THING OR INCORPORATE THAT WOOD INTO IT AND STILL COME UP WITH THE STEEL ROD INTO TO HOLD HIM. LET'S SAY, THAT'S WHAT'S HOLDING THE OLD ONE THERE. >> I GOT YOU. I DO NOT DOUBT. >> HE'S LASTED 47 YEARS WITH NO MAINTENANCE. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> HE IS HOLLOW. THAT'S THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. THE MOISTURE IS GETTING INTO HIM ON THE INSIDE OUT AND THE NEW ONE IS SOLID. >> I UNDERSTAND. I JUST WANT US TO SEE WHAT WE ASK ARCHITECTS TO DO WHEN THEY COME HERE WITH A PLAN IS TO SHOW US THEIR DESIGN AND TECHNICALLY, HOW IS IT GOING TO WORK, AND HOW DO THEY KEEP IT FROM FALLING OVER ON THEMSELVES. WE'RE ASKING THE SAME THING OF THIS REQUEST. NOW HE'S GOING TO YELL AT ME. >> NO. THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK. WE WOULD LIKE A CONTINUATION OR TABLE, WHATEVER YOU ALL SEE FIT. WE'LL BRING BACK SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. APPRECIATE THE ENGAGEMENT FOR PEOPLE HERE. IT'S GOOD TO SEE PASSION ABOUT SOME OF THE HISTORY HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU ALL FOR SHOWING SPENDING YOUR EVENING HERE. >> YOU CAN TELL HER. IT WASN'T THAT BAD. WE HAD TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN. IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THE TIME OF TRANSITION, SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN, SO IT NEEDED TO COME UP IN DISCUSSION AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK. >> THANK YOU FOR TAKING IT. ANYTHING ELSE? WE NEED A MOTION. >> I JUST HAD TWO QUESTIONS FOR JEFF. >> SURE. IS THAT ONE SOLID PIECE OF WOOD THAT YOU CARVE THAT OUT OF? >> NO, SIR. IT IS TWO SEPARATE PIECES OF THE SAME LOG. WE WERE NOT ABLE. I WANTED TO KEEP A SIMILAR SIZE BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT THERE TO BE A FIVE FOOT PIRATE THERE, BUT I WANTED THE SAME WIDTH. I DID SPLIT THE LOG, AND THE ARMS ARE BOLTED IN. WE HAVE TWO DEAD BOLTS THAT ARE BOLTED IN. THEN JULIE DEVES, WE PUT PLASTER TO SEAL IT AFTER WE GOT IT UP THERE. >> HOW LONG DID THAT TAKE YOU TO MAKE THE STATUE? >> THE PIRATE, TWO MONTHS. YES, SIR. >> I MEAN, I DON'T WANT THIS YOUNG MAN OVERSHADOWED. WHAT HE MADE IS INCREDIBLE. THE TALENT IT TAKES TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT I HAVE A HISTORIC PRESERVATION BACKGROUND. MY FATHER'S A CARPENTER. I MEAN, THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE STATUE. IT'S, UNBELIEVABLE THAT YOU DID THAT AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE. HATS OFF TO YOU. SHOULD BE VERY PROUD. I THINK THE BASE ATTACHMENT IS NOT BIG DEAL. I DON'T THINK WEDGE BOLTS ARE GOING TO WORK HERE THREADED ROD, EPOXIED INTO A CONCRETE BASE WITH SOME BOLTS IS NOT THAT COMPLICATED. I'M SURE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE FIGURED OUT. >> WELL, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS TO DETERMINE. [02:05:01] >> INTO THINKING, BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL PIRATE, HE WAS FLAT ON THE TOP. THE WATER JUST POOLED THERE. WE DESIGNED THIS ONE, YOU CAN SEE ON HIS HEAD, IT POOLS DOWNWARDS. WE THINK THAT WILL ALSO HELP PRESERVE HIM BECAUSE INSTEAD OF JUST SITTING UP THERE AND GOING THROUGH HIM, IT'S GOING TO DRAIN OFF THE BACK. >> CAN I RECOMMEND THAT WHOEVER YOU'RE WORKING WITH, JOE OR WHOEVER, WHEN YOU'RE REDOING YOUR APPLICATION, PUT ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IN THERE, DISCUSS THAT BECAUSE THE WATER SHADING THAT'S IMPORTANT. PIRATE RIGHT NOW HE'S GOT A HOLE IN HIS HEAD, AND THAT'S WHERE THE WATER'S COMING IN. ALSO, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, EVEN IF IT'S WHAT YOU'RE WRITING DOWN. I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE DOCUMENTED DRAWINGS, BUT DESCRIBE SHOW WHERE HE'S CUT, SHOW WHERE THE PIECES ARE. THE MORE INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT SHOWS WHY THIS STATUE IS STRUCTURALLY, INTEGRATED, AND IT'S A GOOD STRONG THING AND IT SOUND THAT WILL HELP EVERYBODY WITH WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING. >> YES, MA'AM >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD JOB. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE? >> WELL, CAN WE ASK TERESA, WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONTINUING? WE GOT TO TELL THEM A DATE. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A DATE. WE TABLE IT AND THEY CAN COME BACK WHEN THEY'RE READY AND WE CAN GO FORWARD FROM THERE. >> WELL SAID. YES. IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO TABLE AT THIS I WOULD IMAGINE. IT IS YOUR PLEASURE. YOU COULD CONTINUE IT FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, BUT TABLING IT WOULD BE BETTER AND EASIER FOR THE APPLICANT. >> WHO'S GOING TO SAY IT? >> I MOVE TO TABLE. CASE NUMBER HCC 2025-0018 WITHOUT CONDITIONS AND I MOVE THAT THE HCC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD. THAT HCC CASE 2025-0018 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LDC, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT TABLING, AT THIS TIME? >> YEAH, I WOULD HAVE JUST MADE A MOTION TO TAKE. >> YEAH. [LAUGHTER] I MOVED TO TABLE. >> THANK YOU. >> SECOND. >> A SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. >> YOU COULD HAVE TOLD ME SOONER. >> IT MIGHTY HELP US. MEMBER KOSAK? >> YES. >> MEMBER TIKOSKI? >> YES. >> MEMBER BURNS? >> YES. >> MEMBER SHERSTAD-SCHALLER? >> YES. >> VICE CHAIR PAZZETA? >> YES. >> CHAIR PHILKO? >> YES. >> THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE FOR THAT DISCUSSION. WE HAVE SOME BOARD BUSINESS COMING UP THAT YOU PROBABLY WOULD BE BORED TO TEARS BY BUT YOU'RE CERTAINLY MORE THAN WELCOME. [LAUGHTER] I'M SORRY. NOT YOU, GLENN. JETT. KEEP IT UP. >> I WILL. [INAUDIBLE] >> THANK YOU, SIR. ON OUR NEXT ITEM IS, [7. STAFF REPORT] THE REALLY BORING INTRODUCTION AND UPDATE FROM GLENN. >> THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE BAD. >> I'M SO SORRY. >> GLENN AKROMOFF, PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE CITY. I'VE BEEN HERE NOW. THIS IS THE END OF MY 11TH WEEK. SO TERESA IS, I KNOW WHAT SHE'S GOING THROUGH. >> FIVE WEEKS BEHIND. [LAUGHTER] >> I KEEP TELLING HER IT GETS BETTER IN A YEAR OR TWO. [LAUGHTER] >> AND YOU AFTER 11 WEEKS. >> ANYWAY, I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY. I SEE FERNANDINA BEACH IN A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID WE'RE IN A TOUGH TIME AND THE COMMUNITY IS IN A ROUGH SPOT. IN MY PAST, I HAVE WORKED IN A LOT OF NEW CITIES THAT ARE FRESHLY FORMED AND A LOT OF CITIES THAT ARE IN TRANSFORMATION, OF WHICH FERNANDINA BEACH IS NOW FULLY ENGULFED IN THAT PROCESS. IT'S ALWAYS PAINFUL AT THE BEGINNING AS WE WORK OUT WHAT OUR NEW HISTORY IS GOING TO BE. BUT IT'S WORTH THE JOURNEY AND WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS ALIGNED TO DO THAT. SO OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE DOWNTOWN PLANNING TO REVITALIZE THE DOWNTOWN. THAT'S COMING AND I'M INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. I THINK THE BIGGEST ONE THAT WE'RE STARTING IN THE NEXT YEAR IS A COUPLE OF MASTER PLANNING PROCESSES. ONE OF THEM WE'RE CALLING THE HARBOR MASTER PLAN. THAT ENCOMPASSES THE RESILIENCY WALL, THE MARINA AND THE WATERFRONT. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THAT OUR WATERFRONT IS NOT JUST WHAT THE CITY OWNS. WE HAVE A LOT OF PRIVATE OWNERSHIP THAT IMPACT THAT. WE WANT THE COMMUNITY AND THOSE PRIVATE OWNERS TO HAVE THEIR SAY AND TO [02:10:03] CREATE A VISION THAT WE ALL WOULD ENJOY TO BE A PART OF AND SEE COME TO FRUITION. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AS A CITY NOW. WE'LL ALSO BE DOING THE SAME THING LED BY OUR PARKS DIRECTOR FOR OUR PARKS SYSTEM DURING THIS YEAR, BOTH PENDING BUDGET APPROVAL, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S LIKELY AT THIS POINT. THAT'S COMING SOON. WE ARE OF COURSE WORKING ON BRETT'S AND GETTING THAT REMOVED. AS JEREMIAH SAID, THAT PROCESS WILL BE MOVING FORWARD BASED ON PERMITS. BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKELY MAY OR JUNE BEFORE WE START CONSTRUCTION THERE. PART OF THE SEAWALL WILL BE INTEGRATED WITH THAT PROCESS. WE'RE WORKING WITH TWO DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS TO MAKE THAT WORK. JEREMIAH ALSO MENTIONED THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING IT BACK TO COMMISSION TO FINISH IT, FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE MAKE THE MARINA FUNCTION AS WE PLAN THE FUTURE FOR IT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING. THE NEXT, YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE BUILDING A WATERFRONT PARK RIGHT NOW AND THAT IS IT'S GOING SLOW. IT'S OBVIOUS THAT IT'S GOING SLOW, BUT IT'S GOING WELL AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO MEET THE TIMELINE, THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE WHICH IS OPENING IN FEBRUARY. OUR COMMITMENT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THERE OPERATING THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE, SO THAT MEANS WE MAKE ANY TWEAKS AND CORRECTIONS AS PEOPLE START TO USE IT BEFORE SHRIMP FEST. SO THAT'S THE GOAL. ACTUALLY, THAT'S OUR COMMITMENT MORE THAN A GOAL. WE ALSO HAVE THE SECOND AVENUE. I ALWAYS DO THAT. SECOND STREET AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY. MY LAST HOUSE BEFORE I MOVED HERE WAS ON SECOND AVENUE. [LAUGHTER] I'VE BEEN SAYING SECOND AVENUE. BUT ON SECOND STREET, I JUST GOT AN EMAIL TODAY FROM OUR INTERNAL STORM WATER PEOPLE. THEY FINISHED THE STORM SYSTEM INSTALLATION TODAY. THE UNDER WORK REALLY MAKES IT LOOK BAD. WE TEAR INTO THE DIRT AND IT LOOKS POORLY. BUT YOU'LL START TO SEE THINGS REALLY COME TO FRUITION. WE DID FINISH A LOT OF THE CONCRETE WORK NORTH OF BROOM. YOU SEE A NEW WALL AND SOME PARKING GOING IN THERE AND SOME SIDEWALKS IN THERE. THAT'S MOSTLY FINISHED THE CONCRETE SUPPORTS. WE'RE ON SCHEDULE TO FINISH MOST OF THAT BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER, AND WITH THE ASPHALT WORK BEING FINISHED SOMETIME IN OCTOBER EARLY NOVEMBER. I SAID IN MY VIDEO THAT WE WOULD HAVE IT FOR CHRISTMAS. WE MAY HAVE IT FOR THANKSGIVING, SO WE'RE STILL HOPING FOR THAT. THE LAST PROJECT PIECE THAT I WANT TO UPDATE YOU ON IS THE MLK REC CENTER. WE'LL BE REDOING THE BALL FIELDS AND IT LOOKS AS WE START TO, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY THERE, THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'LL BE A REFURBISHMENT OF ALMOST ALL OF THE OUTSIDE FACILITIES THERE. THE PLAYGROUND IS FAIRLY NEW, SO THAT WE WON'T TOUCH THAT. BUT MOST EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE REFRESHED AT THE VERY LEAST. WE'LL BE TAKING THAT TO TRC SOON AND THEN WORKING THROUGH ALL OF THE OTHER PROCESSES THAT GO FOR THAT. THAT WILL LIKELY BE THE FIRST DELIVERED PROJECT THAT WE'LL SEE NICK CONSTRUCTION ON NEXT, BECAUSE I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THERE BEFORE WE START ON BRETT'S. I DID WANT TO MENTION YBOR ALVAREZ THAT WE PUT IT ON PAUSE BECAUSE WE WANT TO FULLY EVALUATE THAT. I PRESENTED THAT TO COMMISSION HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK THROUGH THE DIRECTION THAT THEY GAVE US. SO THAT'S THE PROJECT PIECE. THAT'S ONE ROLE THAT I HAVE. THE NEWEST ROLE I HAVE IS WORKING WITH THE PLANNING TEAM AND HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE LAST FOUR WEEKS. I'M THE MAIN CONTACT AND LEADING THE WAY. I WILL SAY THAT THEY'RE A FANTASTIC TEAM. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT MRS. SADLER. SHE'S JUST CLEARED HER SIX MONTHS. BELIEVE IT OR NOT AS HARD AS I WATCH HER DO SO WELL TODAY THAT SHE'S ONLY BEEN DOING THIS SIX MONTHS. >> WELL, IT WAS THE BAPTISM OF FIRE. [LAUGHTER] >> SHE CAME THROUGH THAT FIRE PRETTY WELL. >> SHE DID. >> LIKE A DIAMOND, I GUESS. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH A LOT OF ISSUES AND CHALLENGES AND WORKING THROUGH THINGS ONE AT A TIME. [02:15:04] WE'RE DOING A LITTLE BIT OF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO RESTRUCTURE TO BETTER MEET THE SERVICE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE WORKING WITH ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS AND THE CITIZENS WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT. SO YOU'LL SEE IMPROVEMENTS AND WORK IN THAT AREA PROBABLY OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR SO AS WE WORK OUR WAY THROUGH IT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN THE FUTURE ABOUT THAT, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME ANYTIME YOU NEED TO. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS NOW, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER. >> I DO, OF COURSE. >> OF COURSE. YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT, GLENN. [LAUGHTER] >> WELCOME. THE SUPER QUICK ONE IS ON THE WATERFRONT PARK. YOU SAID IT'S LOWER THAN WHATEVER. I GO BY THAT PARK LIKE EVERY SINGLE DAY AND THERE'S NO ACTIVITY. WHAT'S GOING ON? >> WELL, THERE'S MORE ACTIVITY THAN YOU THINK. AS THE TWO BUILDINGS GO UP AND THE GAZEBO PART GOES UP, THERE'S JUST BEEN SOME CHALLENGES WITH DIFFERENT KINDS OF WOOD, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WOOD TODAY, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MAINTAINABLE. AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE IT'S BEEN. IT'S MORE ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE TWO THINGS COME TOGETHER, LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALL NIGHT, THAT THERE ISN'T A RUB AND THEY DO WEATHER WELL. SO I DIDN'T SAY IT AT THE BEGINNING, BUT MY BACKGROUND IS IN MAINTENANCE, AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME REFURBISHING COMMUNITIES AND DOING A LOT OF THIS WORK. THE BIG PART IS THAT WHEN WE DO CAPITAL PLANS, WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR MAINTENANCE FROM DAY ONE. THE FANTASY USUALLY IS THAT WHEN YOU BUILD SOMETHING AND IT'S NEW, IT TAKES LESS MAINTENANCE. IT'S THE OPPOSITE. IT COSTS MORE TO MAINTAIN IT AT THE BEGINNING, SO YOU GET YOUR 50, 60 YEARS OR WHATEVER YOUR EXPECTED LIFE IS. SO THAT'S SOME OF THE CHANGE IN THE PROJECT AND WORKING WITH THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FOLKS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DEFINITELY ON BOARD WITH THAT FOR SURE. THEY CARE AS MUCH. IT'S MORE DISAPPOINTING TO THEM WHEN THEY SEE SOMETHING FAIL THAN ANYBODY ELSE. BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT'S THEIR JOB AND THAT MAKES THEM FEEL BAD WHEN THEY DON'T SUCCEED. >> MY SECOND QUESTION IS IN YOUR 11 WEEKS THAT YOU'RE HERE, HAVE YOU MADE ANY CONTACT WITH ANYBODY AT THE PORT OR THE PORT AUTHORITY, OHPA? >> WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THEM ESPECIALLY AND STARTED TALKING ABOUT WE WANT THEM TO BE PART OF THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS OF COURSE. >> I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE FLOODING AREAS. THE ONLY REASON I ASKED TOO IS I WAS AT THE PORT AUTHORITY MEETING LAST NIGHT AND THEY ARE SUBMITTING FOR A PRETTY LARGE PIPD GRANT RIGHT NOW, AND THEY HAVE EXTENSIVE NEW DRAINAGE IDEAS ON THE NORTH END. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A PSEUDO SEAWALL, AND I MEAN, REALLY DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR US TO BE OPERATING IN VACUUMS IF THERE'S A WAY THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE MESHED AT SOME POINT. THERE'S A TRANSITION OF CITY TO PORT PROPERTY. JUSTIN TAYLOR IS THE CHAIR OF THE PORT AUTHORITY BUT THERE'S SOME GOOD TECHNICAL GUYS ON THE COMMITTEE TOO. I'M LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIAISON BECAUSE I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PORT AND I'M HAPPY TO BRING ANY INFORMATION BACK AND FORTH BUT I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND REACHING OUT TO THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN APPETITE FOR IT TOO. >> YES, THEY'VE SHARED THAT WITH US. WE'VE JUST BEEN WORKING WITH ALL THE TRANSITIONS WE HAVE ON BOTH SIDES. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON TRYING TO SCHEDULE A MEETING TO START TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE ISSUES, AND THEY KNOW THAT OUR PLAN IS COMING, AND WE WANT THEM TO BE A BIG PART OF THAT PROCESS. I ALSO SEE THEM AS A FUTURE PARTNER. IF WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND ALL THE SEAWALLS AND DO THAT, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO MONEY, WE DON'T, WE HAVE ACCESS TO MONEY, THEY DON'T. SO BETWEEN THE TWO OF US AND THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HOPE TO CREATE, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. >> WELL, I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. >> SURE. >> BEFORE YOU'RE DOING ANY OF THESE PROJECTS, ARE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SURVEYS BEING TAKEN? >> WHERE THEY'RE REQUIRED. I CAME FROM WASHINGTON WHICH THEY'RE REQUIRED FOR EVERY SINGLE PROJECT YOU DO. AS WE START LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE THINGS, WE WANT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PROACTIVE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE WORKED ON IS CREATED A WHAT WE CALL A CONSULTANT CHECKLIST TO GET PREPARED FOR A PROJECT. BECAUSE I CAME FROM WASHINGTON, THAT'S STILL ON THE CHECKLIST. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'LL DEFINITELY BE LOOKING INTO BECAUSE IT'S PART OF OUR HISTORY. SURE. [02:20:04] >> JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT. IN THE '70S WHEN DOWNTOWN WAS BEING RE-BUILT BASICALLY, THE CITY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY WHERE THE LIBRARY IS NOW AND THE PARKING LOT THERE. BEFORE THEY POURED ANY CONCRETE OR GOT ANYTHING READY, THEY OPENED UP THAT WHOLE EMPTY LOT AND LET PEOPLE COME DIG, KEEP WHAT THEY FOUND. >> INTERESTING. >> THEY FOUND SOME PRETTY COOL THINGS. SOME OF THEM WERE DONATED TO THE MUSEUM BUT NOT ALL OF IT. NOBODY WOULD THINK THAT IN THAT LOT THERE WOULD BE THAT MUCH STUFF IN THERE, BUT THERE WAS A TON OF STUFF. I THINK IT'S EVERYWHERE AROUND HERE. >> I'M SURE IT IS. I GREW UP IN UPSTATE NEW YORK AND EVERY YEAR WHEN THEY PLOWED THE CORNFIELDS, WE FOUND ALL KINDS OF INDIAN RELICS. >> SURE, THEN WORKED THEM THEIR WAY UP. SURE. THAT'S VERY COOL. >> VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT. >> WE'RE VERY GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE. I HAVE SAID TO SOME OF THE CITY STAFF THAT I HAVE NOTICED A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. I THINK THAT YOU'RE PART OF THAT, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> THANK YOU. I'M VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE. >> YOU'RE MY NEIGHBOR, TOO. >> THAT'S TRUE. >> PLEASE STAY. [LAUGHTER] >> I JUST MOVED HERE IN OCTOBER. I WILL BE HERE FOR THE DURATION. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> STAFF CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL. >> I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO INVITE DEPUTY MANAGER GLISSON UP FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT NOW. IF THAT'S OKAY. [LAUGHTER] >> ANNOUNCE IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR. THANK YOU, MIA. THE CITY COMMISSION AT THE 819TH A REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING BY A FOUR-TO-ONE VOTE, DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD AND AWARD BID FOR PARKING MANAGEMENT SERVICES WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN. STAFF IS PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT DIRECTION. THE COMMISSION DID PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON HOW THOSE STEPS WOULD OCCUR, AND LARGELY WOULD BE A STAFF EFFORT AS FAR AS CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS AND DETERMINING PARAMETERS FOR THIS PROGRAM. THERE WAS CONSENSUS THAT LARGELY A STAFF EFFORT, BUT ALSO REPRESENTATIVES FROM TO CREATE AD HOC COMMITTEE AND THEN ALSO PROVIDE THOSE FINDINGS IN THE SUNSHINE TO THE COMMISSION. WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO 2-3 OBVIOUS CHOICES WILL BE THE WIREFRONT ADVISORY BOARD AND WE'VE REACHED OUT TO PAB, AND WE'RE HERE TONIGHT REACHING OUT TO YOU TO SEE IF WE CAN HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS BOARD ASSIST THE CITY IN THAT PROCESS. WE DO HAVE OUR FIRST MEETING WITH ONE PARKING, THE VENDOR THAT'S BEEN SELECTED FOR US TO ENGAGE WITH NEXT WEEK, AND WE'RE GOING TO DETERMINE THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS FROM THERE. BUT I'M HERE TONIGHT AS WELL TO ASK FOR A REPRESENTATIVE OF HDC TO BE A PART OF THAT AD HOC WORKING GROUP TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO STAFF AND TO THE VENDOR AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THIS PROCESS. NO, DON'T EVERYONE RAISE YOUR HAND AT ONCE. BUT IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT CAPACITY, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT THAT. ONCE THINGS ARE PUT TOGETHER, WILL PART OF THE GROUP OR THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS INCLUDE AND THEN WILL IT COME TO US WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, JUST LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT PEOPLE, WILL WE GET SIGNS, NUMBER, PLACEMENT, KIOSKS, WHATEVER? >> ABSOLUTELY. UPDATES WOULD BE PROVIDED TO THE SPORTS. >> YOU'D HAVE TO COME FOR APPROVAL. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT APPROVAL WOULD BE REQUIRED FROM THE HDC FOR THIS COMMISSION-DRIVEN PROGRAM. I WOULD DEFER TO MS. PRINTZ ON THAT AS FAR AS THE ORDER FOR THAT. >> I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT MORE CLOSELY, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE CITY HAS TO BE AN APPLICANT EVEN WHEN IT'S DOING ITS OWN WORK. I WOULD, OFF THE CUFF, ASK WITHOUT LOOKING AT ANYTHING, MY INSTINCT WOULD BE THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO BE AN APPLICANT FOR THE ITEMS THAT ARE PUT DOWNTOWN, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THERE IS AN EXEMPTION ON A CITY COMMISSION-DRIVEN PROJECT. [OVERLAPPING] I KNOW CERTAIN STATE AGENCIES EXEMPT THEMSELVES FROM THEIR OWN PROCESS WHEN THEY MOVE FORWARD. MAYBE THERE IS AN EXEMPTION THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF. >> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. IN FACT WHEN I WAS DOING MAIN STREET AND DID THE SIGNAGE DOWNTOWN, IT HAD TO COME BEFORE HDC. >> I KNOW THAT SIGNAGE THERE WAS, A LOT OF THE SIGNAGE FOR ALL THE DOWNTOWN, [02:25:02] THE LIGHTS HAVE BEEN BEFORE THIS HDC. IF THERE'S, WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT. >> JIM, DON'T YOU WANT TO BE ON THAT PARKING? >> I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIME COMMITMENT. WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE AS FAR AS WE'RE STILL DEVELOPING THAT? WE DO HAVE OUR FIRST SIT-DOWN, LIKE I SAID, ON FRIDAY OF NEXT WEEK WITH THE FIRM. THEY DID DISCUSS THAT SIGNAGE, OF COURSE, IS AN ELEMENT OF THIS PROGRAM, AND THEY KNOW THEY RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SENSE OF PLACE HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN, AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHILE THE SIGNAGE HAS TO BE RECOGNIZABLE, SO YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A PAID PARKING PROGRAM HERE, YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE THE ONLY THING THAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU COME TO THE DOWNTOWN. THAT'S A SENSITIVE BALANCE. LIKE I SAID, IT IS LARGELY A STAFF-DRIVEN EFFORT. THE EXPECTATIONS FROM THE CITY MANAGER IS TO HAVE THIS BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT A OCTOBER 7 WORKSHOP JUST FOR SOME POLICY DECISIONS, AND THEN HOPEFULLY BRING BACK A CONTRACT TO THEM OR AT LEAST A DRAFT CONTRACT LATER ON IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, I THINK IS WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED FOR A TIMELINE. THE VENDOR DID STATE THEY'RE GOING TO NEED ABOUT 60 TO 90 DAYS TO IMPLEMENT. THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT IN PLACE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BUT FIRST OF NEXT YEAR. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. IT IT'S A NEW PROCESS FOR US ON THE NEW PROGRAM, SO WE'RE STILL SORTING THROUGH THAT, BUT THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THIS BOARD WAS A CLEAR NEXT STEP. >> I GUESS WHAT MY QUESTION WAS, IF I WAS TO STEP UP AND VOLUNTEER FOR THAT, WHAT WOULD THE EXPECTATION BE AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF TIME I WOULD HAVE TO INPUT TO HELP YOU GUYS WITH THAT? >> I'M THINKING A FEW MEETINGS, MAKING SURE THAT YOU WOULD BE AVAILABLE, OF COURSE. A FEW MEETINGS BETWEEN NOW AND PROVIDING A CONTRACT TO COMMISSION. WE STILL GOT TO FIGURE OUT EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING TO TOUCH ON THIS PROGRAM. NO MORE THAN PROBABLY 3-6 SIX MEETINGS, I WOULD SAY, BETWEEN NOW AND THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR, WOULD BE MY ESTIMATE. >> ARE THOSE MEETINGS DURING THE DAY, TYPICALLY GOING TO BE DURING BUSINESS HOURS? >> YEAH. >> DOES THAT MEAN YOU WANT TO DO [INAUDIBLE]? >> I CAN'T. IF IT'S AT NIGHT, I WOULD VOLUNTEER. >> I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT I WANT TO ASK, ESPECIALLY ABOUT, DOES A VENDOR GIVE US ANY, DO THEY HAVE ANY OPTIONS AS FAR AS WHAT GETS INSTALLED AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE? BECAUSE WE DID A LOT OF WORK ON THIS BOARD TO CREATE HARMONY ALONG CENTER STREET WITH ALL OUR SIGNAGE AND ALL OUR DISPLAYS AND THINGS. IT WORRIES ME THAT WHOEVER GETS HIRED IS JUST GOING TO COME IN AND THEY'RE JUST GOING TO SPRAY ALL THEIR STUFF ALL OVER OUR CENTER STREET WITHOUT TAKING ANY OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. >> THAT YOU WOULD BE SUCH A GOOD [INAUDIBLE]. >> YOU MAKE GREAT POINTS, AND YOU SHOULD BRING THAT, MEMBER PAZETA, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS FURTHER. >> AT LEAST YOU GET THAT PRODUCT. WE'LL GIVE YOU PLENTY OF INFORMATION. >> I'LL VOLUNTEER FOR THAT. >> VOLUNTEER, THANK YOU. >> YOU CAN PUT ME ON THE EMAIL LIST AND LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU NEED ME. >> THANK YOU FOR TAKING ONE IN. >> NEXT TIME SOMEBODY ELSE IS STEPPING IN. >> THANK YOU. >> IS THAT ALL YOU NEED? >> THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MIA, STAFF APPROVAL. >> THERE WAS ONLY TWO STAFF APPROVED COAS IN JULY, ONE FOR AN ALUMINUM FENCE, AND THE OTHER WAS FOR A WOODEN PICKET FENCE. I'M CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE SECOND DOA GROUP TO RETROACTIVELY ASK THEM TO INSTALL THE FENCE THAT I APPROVED BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED. >> IS THAT THE ONE THAT THEY INSTALLED INSIDE OUT TO. >> YES. >> ASK THEM. THAT'S THE BIG THING. >> I'M WORKING WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE [OVERLAPPING]. >> THANK YOU. >> THAT THE FENCE [INAUDIBLE]. >> YOU ARE THE CITY'S PRESERVATION PLANNER? >> YES. >> YOU HAVE CLOUT BEHIND YOU, SO YOU'RE NOT ASKING THEM. >> YEAH. >> DIRECTING THEM. >> THE CODE'S VERY CLEAR. >> IT IS. >> PARTLY INSIDE OUT, NOT PARTLY INSIDE IN. >> I TOLD THEM THAT IF THEY WANT TO COME FOR A VARIANCE BEFORE THE BOARD, IT'LL BE $3,500. >> THANK YOU. >> IT'S A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE, SO IT HAS HIGH VISIBILITY. IT'S NOT LIKE SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD, LIKE, NOBODY WILL EVER SEE IT. >> GOOD JOB. >> THEN IF YOU NEED SOMETHING ELSE ON THAT, BLIND IS A HEAVY HANDED SON OF A GUN. I CAN TELL. EITHER HE OR WE, AND MICHELLE FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT. [02:30:02] THIS IS A VIOLATION. >> YES. SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE FUN. I'VE BEEN WORKING ON A INVENTORY OF THE CONCRETE STREET MONUMENTS THAT ARE AROUND TOWN. THIS WAS INSPIRED BECAUSE ONE WAS DESTROYED ON BEACH STREET, AND THEN SOMEONE CAME AND ASKED ME, MIA, CAN WE REPAIR THIS OR REPLACE IT? I DID SOME MORE RESEARCH, AND THERE'S A PARTIAL INVENTORY THAT WAS CREATED, BUT NOW I'M GOING THROUGH MAPPING AND PHOTOGRAPHING ALL THE REMAINING ONES WE HAVE. THEN I HEARD FROM OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT THAT THEY CREATED A MOLD THAT CAN RECREATE SOME OF THESE CONCRETE MONUMENTS. I WANTED TO BRING THIS BEFORE THE BOARD AS I'M ONGOINGLY MAKING THE INVENTORY. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT ADDING SOME? GOING THROUGH JUST THE DOWNTOWN WHERE I HAVE THOSE MARKED, IT APPEARS THAT THEY WERE SET HIGH CORNER FROM ONE ANOTHER, SO DIAGONALLY. WE COULD DO STREET MARKERS THAT EMULATE THAT PATTERN AND THEN DO SOME DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE NEWER ONES THAT WE'RE INSTALLING WHILE MAINTAINING THE ONES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. >> WHAT'S MISSING ON THERE IS THE ONE ON FOURTH AND DADE. THAT WAS THE ONE I SENT THE PICTURE OF THAT WAS HID. IT'S STILL JUST SITTING THERE HALFWAY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ONE IN ON THE YARD THAT CAN BE PUT BACK THERE. >> WHEN THOSE CONCRETE MARKERS ARE HIT AND THE REBARS EXPOSED? >> YES. >> I'M NOT AN EXPERT, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THOSE CAN'T REALLY BE REPAIRED. IS THE BOARD OKAY WITH REPLACING, THAT ONE ON FORTH AND DADE. >> TO USE THAT MOLD THAT THEY'VE CREATED AND CREATE A NEW ONE THAT WE SOMEHOW IDENTIFY AS NEW. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? HOW DO WE FEEL? >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. >> YEAH. >> I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO UNDERSTAND. I WOULD GO FORWARD WITH IT, BUT IF YOU GET THAT FROM THE CITY, THAT THE EXPENSE IS CRAZY TO DO THAT. WE NEED TO KNOW THEM, SO YOU JUST LET US KNOW. >> OKAY. >> IF THAT GETS STOPPED THAT WAY. >> OKAY. >> I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD ONE OTHER THING ABOUT THE MARKERS. AT SOMETIME WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THE MARKERS ON THE EAST SIDE OF EIGHTH STREET WERE ALL PAINTED WHITE, BUT THEN THE THE CITY OR WHOEVER DID NOT COME BACK IN AND ACTUALLY PAINT THE STREET NAMES ON THEM. IF IT'S POSSIBLE, I'D LOVE TO SEE THOSE RE-STENCILED OR WHATEVER, PAINTED WITH THE STREET NAMES BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE JUST WHITE CONCRETE. >> THAT WOULD BE COLORS [INAUDIBLE]. >> THAT'S PART OF WHY THIS INVENTORY WILL BE HELPFUL BECAUSE WHEN I'M GOING THROUGH AND MARKING THEM ON THE MAP, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW'S THE CONDITION OF THE STRUCTURE AND WHAT'S THE CONDITION OF THE PAINT. I THINK, HONESTLY, WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITY TO HIGHLIGHT HISTORIC PRESERVATION IF WE HAVE THE STENCILS IN THE PAINT, AND I CAN BE THERE, TAMMY CAN BE THERE SUPERVISING, WE CAN RESTORE THEM. >> I DON'T NEED TO SUPERVISE OUT THERE. [LAUGHTER]. >> YOU HAVE YOUR LABOR RIGHT HERE. >> I LIKE THE MAP THAT YOU HAVE, BECAUSE IF NEW ONES GO IN, YOU COULD COLOR COORDINATE THEM OR SOMETHING. >> THAT'S AN ACTIVE GIS MAP. WHEN I CLICK ON IT, THE PHOTO AND ALL THE INFORMATION AND THE GEO LOCATION SHOWS UP TOO. >> NICE. >> YOU HAVE COME A LONG WAY THEN. >> YOU'RE KIDDING. >> THANKS. >> THE ONLY OTHER UPDATE I HAVE WAS I'M WORKING ON MAKING THOSE EDITS TO THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES. I'M WORKING THROUGH THAT. THEN I SPOKE WITH GLENN TO GET THE GO AHEAD TO CODIFY THOSE GUIDELINES WHEN THEY'RE ALL FINISHED, AND WHEN THIS BOARD IS OKAY WITH THEM TO APPROVE THEM, SEND THEM UP TO COMMISSION TO BE CODIFIED AS PART OF THE LDC. >> I KNOW THOSE OF US THAT HAVE BEEN OUT OF TOWN, WHICH WERE SEVERAL OF US, AND WE STILL HAVE TO MEET WITH YOU BEFORE WE COMMITTED, I THINK, BEFORE OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING, >> IT WAS BEFORE THE END OF SEPTEMBER. >> BEFORE THE END OF SEPTEMBER. THEN YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF TRAVEL COMING UP, TOO. MAYBE COULD YOU SEND US ALL AN EMAIL OF WHEN YOU'RE NOT AVAILABLE, SO WE KNOW WHAT YOUR BLACKOUT DATES ARE, AND THEN WE CAN ALL WORK WITHIN YOUR SCHEDULE, TOO. >> YES. SPEAKING OF THAT, AS WELL, I'M INCONVENIENTLY OUT OF TOWN FOR THE SEPTEMBER AND THE OCTOBER HDC MEETINGS. I'M STILL GOING ABOUT IN MY SAME WAY PREPARING MY STAFF REPORTS, AND THEN I'LL MEET WITH GLENN AHEAD OF THOSE MEETINGS TO BRIEF HIM ON THE CASES, BUT HE'LL BE UP HERE PRESENTING TWO GUYS IN SEPTEMBER OCTOBER. >> BOY. MAYBE PETE WILL BE BACK. [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] [02:35:04] >> THAT'S ALL. >> IS THAT IT? I HAVE ONE QUICK THING THAT I TALKED TO MIA ABOUT YESTERDAY, AND I WANT ALL OF YOU TO KNOW THAT I HAD THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO COME UP, AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT. THERE IS, I BELIEVE, IT'S THE SIGN ORDINANCE THAT PREVENTS MURALS. >> I DID CONFIRM TODAY THAT WALL GRAPHICS ARE PROHIBITED IN THE DOWNTOWN, AND WALL GRAPHICS ARE DEFINED AS MATERIAL PAINTED DIRECTLY ON A BUILDING EXTERIOR. WALL GRAPHICS INCLUDE ALL TYPES OF PAINTED MATERIALS, INCLUDING SIGNS, MURALS, ARTWORK, COMMERCIAL, OR NON COMMERCIAL SPEECH. >> WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE HAVE THAT I'M AWARE OF, TWO. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GOT PERMITTED. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WERE PERMITTED. ONE OF THEM IS ONE OF THE CASES WE HEARD TONIGHT. THEY COVERED UP THE MURAL THAT WAS THERE, BUT THEN THEY SURPRISED ME WITH A NEW ONE. I DON'T KNOW WHY THOSE WERE PERMITTED, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE ASKED MIA TO DO SOME RESEARCH ABOUT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A FORMAL STATEMENT ABOUT IT, WHETHER WE DO IT IN OUR GUIDELINES AND JUST SUPPORT THE SIGN ORDINANCE. >> WHEN IT SAYS IN THE DOWNTOWN, DOES THAT MEAN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? >> IT SAYS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, YES. >> DOES THAT INCLUDE CRA? >> I WOULD ASSUME NO. >> BECAUSE I WANT TO TELL YOU JUST ANOTHER THING THAT'S COMING UP, THE OPA WANTS TO DO A MURAL ON ONE OF THEIR WAREHOUSES ON THE SECOND STREET SIDE, IN THE CRA. THAT FACES ALL THE PORT CARS AND STUFF IN THERE. IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD FUND IT, THEY WOULD DO IT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THE HDC, AND THEY KNOW THAT? >> IT'S IN THE CRA. >> BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED VERIFICATION ON AS WELL, THAT IT'S EITHER IN THE CRA OR JUST THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. >> WE HAVE MORE THAN TWO IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. >> WHERE? I DON'T WANT TO KNOW. IT MAKES ME CRAZY. IS THAT EVERYTHING? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? IS THERE NEED TO INTRODUCE ANYBODY? >> THAT'S MY BOYFRIEND. [LAUGHTER] >> SHE'S GOOD. CONNOR. YOU DRIVE HER CAREFULLY. >> [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR INTEREST IN IT. >> ABOUT 10 SECOND THING. [OVERLAPPING] I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON NAIVE ART, SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO ASK ME ABOUT NAIVE ART? >> NAIVE ART. >> WELL, IT SAYS ACTUAL APPLICABLE TERM TO OLD PETE AND NEW PETE. I'M NOT GOING TO BORE YOU WITH IT TONIGHT, BUT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO CALL ME AND TALK ABOUT NAIVE ART. >> SCHEDULE A GROUP CALL. [LAUGHTER]. >> TWO PAGES OF STUFF WRITTEN UP. >> DO WE HAVE TO ACT NAIVELY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT? >> WELL, MAYBE CAN YOU FORWARD IT TO MIA OR STAFF AND LET THEM FORWARD IT TO ALL OF US? >> SURE. >> TO SYLVIE, BECAUSE SHE'S GOING TO BE GONE. >> I CAN DO IT THROUGH MY PHONE. >> TONIGHT. >> I'M LEAVING TONIGHT. >> WHENEVER. WE'RE DONE. [LAUGHTER] >> I'M GOING TO THE TRADITIONAL BUILDING PRESERVATION CONFERENCE FOR WORK IN OCTOBER, SO I'LL BRING BACK, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS NOW IN THE PRESERVATION WORLD AND ALL THINGS THAT RELATE TO WHAT WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON. I'LL BRING BACK ANY PERTINENT INFORMATION. [OVERLAPPING] >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? [LAUGHTER] MEETING'S ADJOURNED, GOODNIGHT. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.