[00:00:02] >> ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. IT'S AUGUST 13, 2025. WE'RE IN CITY HALL COMMISSION CHAMBERS. MILLAR, ARE YOU CALLING THE ROLE TONIGHT? >> YES. CHAIR AUSTER? >> HERE. >> VICE CHAIR FOREHAND? >> HERE. >> MEMBER ROBBERS? >> HERE. >> MEMBER GILLETTE? >> HERE. >> MEMBER GINGER? >> HERE. >> MEMBER BENNETT? >> HERE. >> MEMBER STEVENSON? >> HERE. >> NICK, WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE? [3.1 Approval of Minutes for the Regular Meeting of July 9, 2025] >> FIRST, THERE IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING FROM JULY 9. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MAINTENANCE FROM THE LAST MEETING AS WRITTEN. >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR. >> [OVERLAPPING] AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? MINUTES ARE APPROVED. THEN, MARGARET, ARE WE GOING TO [OVERLAPPING] >> WE DON'T HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW CASES FOR THIS MONTH. [6. STAFF REPORT] THE FIRST THING ON YOUR AGENDA IS FOR A STAFF REPORT. THE CITY'S PROJECT MANAGE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT MANAGE. >> EXCUSE ME. ONE OF YOU PUT ON MY LITTLE AGENDA THERE TO INTRODUCE TERESA. TERESA, OUR NEW CITY ATTORNEY IS HERE. TERESA, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, THAT'S FINE. IF NOT WE WILL JUST NOTE THAT YOU ARE HERE AND WELCOME YOU AND LET YOU KNOW WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE. >> WELL, THANK YOU. YES, TERESA PRINCE, THE NEW CITY ATTORNEY. THANK YOU FOR WELCOMING ME. I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO CONTACT ALL OF YOU AHEAD OF THIS MEETING. IT'S BEEN BUSY. IT'S MY EIGHTH DAY. YES, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH. I SAW IT WAS A AGENDA, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON THINGS, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE MEETING YOUR PROJECT MANAGER IN A MINUTE HERE, AND WE'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING TOGETHER. I'M JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THIS BOARD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, YOU HONOR. >> [LAUGHTER] MARGARET, I'M SORRY. >> APOLOGIES. THEN, LIKE I SAID, THE FIRST ONE IS THE STAFF REPORT 6.1, AND THE NEW CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT MANAGER IS GOING TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF AND LET US LET YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH SOME RECENT CHANGES WITHIN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU. I'M LONA CROMWELL. ONE OF MY TITLES NOW IS TRAGIC. FIRST OF LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF AND KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT ME AND WHAT I WILL BE TALKING ABOUT. FIRST, I DID A 25 YEAR CAREER IN MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT IN WASHINGTON AND MOVED HERE IN LAST OCTOBER. IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, I'VE BEEN A CONSULTANT. MY CONSULTANCY HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON HELPING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS REHABILITATE. THAT TAKES ON A LOT OF PROCESS, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS I USE A LITTLE BIT AT THE END BECAUSE THAT'S ON MY WORK LINE HERE WITH YOU. I'VE BEEN LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOR 35 YEARS OR SO DECADES. A FEW STAFFING UPDATES. AS WITH KELLY'S ABSENCE, I'VE TAKEN OVER THE LEADERSHIP ROLE PLAN, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, I'VE TAKEN OVER THE SUPPORT ROLE. IN ADDITION TO KELLY'S ABSENCE, WE HAD MORGAN PLANNING. WHAT'S HER TITLE PLANNING? >> PLANNING TECH. >> TECH. SHE JUST LEFT US LAST FRIDAY. SHE'S ONTO A NEW ADVENTURE AND VERY EXCITING ADVENTURE THAT SHE CHOSE TO DO, AND WE'RE EXCITED FOR HER, BUT THAT AGAIN HAS LEFT US SHORTHANDED. MY BACKGROUND IS NOT PLANNING. I'M NOT A PLANNING. HOWEVER, I SAT IN YOUR SEATS FOR EIGHT YEARS WITH TWOS IN WASHINGTON AND THERE THEY CALL PLANNING MISSIONS, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS, AND I CHAIRED BOTH OF THEM FOR TWO YEARS EACH. THAT'S HOW I LEARNED PLANNING. YOU SIT THERE AND MAKE DECISIONS AND GO THROUGH THE DETAILS LIKE YOU DO. I DEFINITELY RESPECT THE WORK THAT YOU DO. WE'RE WORKING ON FIRST REPLACING MORGAN AND GETTING THAT UP TO SPEED, [00:05:04] AND THEN WE'RE EVALUATING WHAT WE NEED IN FOR PLANNING. BECAUSE KELLY WAS A PLAN. SHE DID PLANNING ACTIVITIES AS WELL AS THE DEPARTMENT. I'M WORKING ON THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY CONSULTANCY. IN THAT, I DID WHAT I CALL AN ORGANIZATION ASSESS. I'M DOING ONE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND I'M ALSO DOING ONE RIGHT NOW. THE NEXT ONE IS ACTUALLY BUILDING AS WELL, THAT'S ONE. WHEN THEY HIRED ME TO BE A PROJECT MANAGER, ONE OF THE THINGS SARAH AND JEREMIAH ASKED ME IS, "WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO USE SOME OF YOUR [INAUDIBLE] " WHAT WE'LL DO WITH THAT ORGANIZATIONAL ASSESSMENT IS WE WILL LOOK FIRST AT THE CULTURE THAT'S WITHIN THE TEAM. WE LOOK INTERNALLY FIRST. I STARTED THE PROCESS IN PLANNING AS WELL. WE LOOK AT CULTURE. THEN WE LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE. I'M A BELIEVER THE STRUCTURE IMPACTS THE CULTURE, HOW YOU'RE SET UP AND HOW YOU FUNCTION, IT IMPACTS HOW YOU PROVIDE SERVICE. I'M LOOKING AT THAT, LOOKING HOW IT IMPACTS HOW MOVE FORWARD. ONE THING THAT I KNOW ABOUT STRUCTURE IS IT HAPPENS ORGANICALLY. SOMEONE LEAVES. MORGAN LEFT, NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT LITTLE PERSPECTIVE. WE DON'T ALWAYS LOOK AT IT IN HOLISTIC VIEW, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. THE NEXT THING THAT I LOOK AT THAT WE TALK ABOUT IS THE SYSTEMS MOVE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IS CREATING A NEW SYSTEM FOR MANAGING ALL OF OUR PERMITS AND OUR PROCESSES, AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN FULLY IMPLEMENTED, SO I'M EVALUATING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW WE MOVE THAT FORWARD FASTER. ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT PLANNING AND I WANT TO TELL YOU IS THAT IT'S ALL PROCESS ORIENTED. EVERYTHING IS A PROCESS. WE'VE ALREADY STARTED MAPPING SOME OF OUR PROCESSES SO THAT WE CAN SHOW THEM TO THE CUSTOMERS. BUT ALSO WE MAKE SURE WE DO THEM CONSISTENT, BUT IN PLANNING, WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF PROCESSES. I'LL IDENTIFY IN MY ASSESSMENT PROCESS. THANK YOU. IN MY ASSESSMENT PROCESS, I WILL WORK THROUGH WHAT ARE THE TOP PRIORITIES AND WHICH ONES AND CREATE AN ORDER ON HOW WE GO THROUGH THAT. THAT TENDS TO TAKE TIME, WE FOCUS ON 10 AT A TIME AND MOVE FORWARD. THE NEXT ONE THAT I FOCUS ON IS EXTERNAL SERVICE OR EXTERNAL FORCES, AND IN PLANNING AND IN GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL, EXTERNAL FORCES ARE HEAVY. HOW I DEFINE THOSE IS THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT IMPACT OUR WORK AND IMPACT HOW WE PROVIDE SERVICE THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IN PLANNING AND CERTAINLY IN TODAY'S PLANNING IN FERNANDINA BEACH, THAT IS DEFINITELY PRESSURES THAT PUT ON THE STAFF. WE CAN'T ELIMINATE THEM, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A STRATEGY ON HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THEM. THEN THE LAST THING IS CREATING PERFORMANCE METRICS THAT ACTUALLY MEANS SOMETHING. IN GOVERNMENT, AND I'D SAY IT'S A LOT LIKE BASEBALL. IN BASEBALL, THEY COUNT EVERYTHING. IN GOVERNMENT, WE TEND TO COUNT EVERYTHING, TOO, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT NUMBERS REALLY MEAN AND TALK ABOUT HOW THEY IMPACT THINGS. I'LL WRITE A REPORT, LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE THINGS. MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, AND WHERE I CAN, I WILL PUT COST TO THOSE. THEN I WILL SHARE IT FIRST WITH THE TEAM, AND THEN WITH THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP, AND THEN WE'LL START WORKING THROUGH SOLVING THOSE PROBLEMS. I KNOW THAT I WILL FIND A LOT OF CHALLENGES. WHAT'S INTERESTING IN MY WORK IS I'VE WORKED IN THIS AND IN MY GOVERNMENT CAREER, I'VE WORKED IN OVER 30 CITIES. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS DONE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. THE CORE OF THEM, I'D SAY 70% OF THE ISSUES ARE SIMILAR IN EVERY CITY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. THAT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS. THEN AND REALLY TO FOCUS ON THE ONES THAT ARE UNIQUE TO FERNANDINA BEACH. THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, AND I WILL GLADLY TAKE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M REALLY GLAD TO MEET YOU AND TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS. >> ONE QUESTION. GLENN, WELCOME ON BOARD. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE GOING TO STUDY THE ALLOCATION [00:10:01] OF TIME AND MANPOWER OR IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WERE DOING THAT? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OVER TIME THAT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO JUSTIFY AT TIMES ARE THE FEE SCHEDULES THAT GO INTO THE CITY. HOW MANY MANPOWER, HOW MUCH MANPOWER, HOW MANY HOURS GO INTO SOME OF THESE REVIEWS? SOME OF THEM, I THINK ARE LOW ON THE ESTIMATIONS. I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE VERY HIGH. ARE YOU GOING TO LOOK AT THAT TO SEE, DOES IT REALLY TAKE $5,000 TO TO ANALYZE THIS APPLICATION AND ONLY $50 TO ANALYZE THIS APPLICATION? BECAUSE IT WOULD BE MEANINGFUL, I THINK, LONG TERM FOR US TO KNOW ARE THE MANPOWER HOURS BEING ALLOCATED CORRECTLY? >> ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S ONE OF THOSE STRUCTURE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW IS THAT WE TALK A LOT ABOUT STAFF TIME. STAFF TIME IS LUMPED IN YOUR ONE YEAR PAYMENT, WHICH IS 2,080 HOURS IS WHAT WHAT WE PAY EVERY STAFF MEMBER FOR. BUT WHEN YOU TAKE THEIR TRAINING, THEIR HOLIDAYS, THEIR VACATIONS, THEIR SICK LEAVE, THE MEETINGS, THE OTHER THINGS OUT, YOU END UP WITH ABOUT 1,550 PRODUCTIVITY HOURS, IS WHAT I CALL IT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. HOW MANY PRODUCTIVITY HOURS DOES IT TAKE TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS OR WHATEVER FUNCTION WE'RE ACTUALLY? YES, WE WILL I'LL ANALYZE ALL OF THAT. THEN THERE'S TWO PARTS OF THAT. WHAT ARE THE FEES, BUT ALSO DOES OUR BUDGET MATCH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO? THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT KIND OF WRAPPED AROUND IN THERE. >> QUESTIONS? >> I GUESS ONE OF THE FRUSTRATIONS THAT I SEE IS WE TALK ABOUT PLANNING, WE GO THROUGH AND DO A LOT OF THINGS. WE REALLY DON'T SEEM TO BE MANAGING THE CITY WITH A STRATEGIC VIEW IN PLACE. IT'S EITHER YEAR TO YEAR OR ELECTION TO ELECTION. SOMEHOW WE NEED TO MAYBE CHANGE THAT SO THAT THE CITY OPERATION ISN'T SO MUCH, JUST ON THESE SHORT TERM ANNUAL THINGS WHICH CAN BE DRIVEN BY MONEY. IT CAN BE DRIVEN BY PEOPLE OR IN POLITICS, EVEN. THAT'S SOMETHING YOU SEE AS MAYBE KIND OF WEAVES ITS WAY THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS WE DO OR DON'T DO. I THINK THAT'D BE VERY, VERY HELPFUL. >> I'VE BEEN HERE LONGER THAN TERESA, BUT I'VE BEEN HERE. THIS IS MY NINTH WEEK. [LAUGHTER] I DO THIS. I COME IN, SO AS AN EXAMPLE, A LOT OF TIMES I WOULD COME IN AS A CONSULTANT AS A INTERIM STAFF MEMBER, USUALLY RUNNING A DEPARTMENT OR THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION. WHILE I DID THAT, I'VE LEARNED TO GET UP TO SPEED FAST, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. I HAVE NOTICED THAT. YOU'LL SEE THAT IN ALL THE REPORTS THAT I DO, ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT ASSESSMENTS. I FOUND THAT IN CAPITOL RIGHT AWAY, IS THAT IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW WHAT THE SEAWALL REALLY MEANS. WHAT DOES THE MARINA REALLY MEAN AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS? DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT. THAT TAKES A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING, CERTAINLY TO GET THERE. BUT IT ACTUALLY HELPS THE COMMUNITY COME TOGETHER, TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT ARE DIFFICULT. HAVING A VISION FOR A COMMUNITY IS VERY CHALLENGING. PART OF IT IS THE WORK YOU DO ON THE CODE AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS, HELP THAT HAPPEN OR INHIBIT IT FROM HAPPENING. THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING I'VE SEEN, AND YOU'LL SEE IT IN ALL THE REPORTS. THANK YOU. >> I WOULD SAY FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE, SOMETIMES IN THE WAVE OF CHANGE, YOU FIND TRUE DIRECTION. WE'RE EXCITED BEING NEW STAFF MEMBERS AS WELL THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY NOW TO REALLY SEE WHERE WE WANT TO GO AND KIND OF TAKE A STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT AND SEE HOW WE WANT TO SEE THE CITY ORDINANCES AND GROWTH OCCUR. WE'RE EXCITED. WHAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT WAS TO KIND OF GO BACK AND GIVE YOU SOME UPDATES ON WHERE YOU ARE ON SOME OF YOUR PRIORITIES, AND THEN SOME UPDATES ON SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT THEN ALSO HEAR FROM YOU ON THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE THAT WE PURSUE AND LOOK AT ON THE PRIORITY LIST. AS YOU RECALL, AT YOUR LAST IN YOUR JUNE MEETING, WE COMPLETED SOME GOOD TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT I THINK THERE WERE A LONG TIME IN COMING. ON THE LANDSCAPING, THAT'S IN THE SECOND REVIEW AT THE CITY COMMISSION ON THE 19TH. WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK SO I THINK SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS BEING AT [00:15:03] THE MEETING DURING THE DISCUSSION WHEN THAT WENT ON WAS VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE THEN WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALREADY REVIEW IT. THE PARKING STANDARDS, WHERE WE REALIZED THAT MEDICAL OFFICES REQUIRED A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACES, AND THERE WAS NO DEFINITIONS FOR BEAUTY SALONS OR BARBERSHOPS AND S FORTH. WE COME UP WITH SOME STANDARDS FOR THAT, AND THAT'S IN THE SECOND READING NEXT WEEK AS WELL. THE PUD AND THE MINOR AMENDMENTS, WE DID SOME MINOR AMENDMENTS WITH SOME DEFINITIONS AND ALL, SO THAT WENT THROUGH AND IT'S READY FOR THE SECOND READING. THE PUD, I THINK, BECAUSE THEY WANTED SOME MORE TIME TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT, AND MAYBE WHEN WE GO THROUGH OUR COMP PLAN PROCESS, TO REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW THE PUD STANDARDS FIT INTO ALL OF THAT, THEY DECIDED JUST TO NOT TAKE ANY ACTION ON THAT AT THIS POINT. I THINK FURTHER DIRECTION ON THE ACREAGE OR SOME OF THE OTHER STANDARDS, THEY WANTED SOME MORE RESEARCH. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN JUST KIND OF PUT BACK HERE A LITTLE BIT AND REALIZE EVERYBODY'S STILL INTERESTED. BUT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE WITH OTHER THINGS WE'RE DOING? THEN ON THE 1,034, THE 1,035 CLARITY, THAT IS WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT FOR REVIEWING THAT. WHEN THEY GET SOME DIRECTION AND GET TIME TO GO TO SPEED AND EVERYTHING, THEN WE WILL BE BRINGING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OR SOME THOUGHTS BACK TO YOU GUYS ON THAT IF THERE IS A NEED FOR CLARIFICATION. I DON'T KNOW IF TERESA WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT PART OF IT? >> NO. I WILL TELL THE BOARD THAT WHEN I DID MEET WITH SARAH, CAMPBELL, THE CITY MANAGER ON MONDAY, MY FIRST DAY, AND IT WAS HER TOP PRIORITY TOO THAT WE LOOK AT THE CITY'S INTERPRETATION OF IT AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MOVE FORWARD. DEFINITELY SOMETHING I'M MOVING TO THE FOREFRONT. [LAUGHTER] >> TERESA, YOU AND SARAH ARE YOU'VE BEEN HERE NINE DAYS. SHE'S BEEN HERE FOR 12. I'M BEING FUNNY, BUT NOT VERY. [LAUGHTER] I'M JUST CURIOUS. I'M HOPEFUL THAT YOU AND SARAH BOTH WILL GET THE HISTORY OF THE CONTROVERSY AND KNOW KIND OF WHERE THAT BEGAN, WHAT IT WENT THROUGH. THERE'S A LONG COMPLEX HISTORY. >> THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR YOU TO KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHO GIVES THAT TO YOU. >> LOOKING AT THE PAST MEETINGS, THE VIDEOS. >> I'VE SEEN THE MEETINGS, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE INFORMATION. I'VE READ THE TRINGALI LAWSUIT THAT WENT UP ON APPEAL AND WAS AFFIRMED AT THE APPELLATE LEVEL WITH SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE. BECAUSE I LIVED AND BREATHED IN THIS TOWN SINCE 2012, AND PRIOR TO THAT, I HAVE AN IDEA. I'VE SAT THROUGH PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS WHEN YOU'VE SPOKEN ABOUT IT, DISCUSSED IT AT LENGTH. BUT, YES, WE WILL BE LOOKING INTO IT. I THINK THE FRESH EYES COMMENT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE LOOK AT THE PAPER IS WHAT GLENN AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU WALK IN THE DOOR. WHAT DOES IT SAY? HOW DOES IT READ? WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE INTERPRETED? WHAT DO THE WORDS SAY? STARTING THERE AND JUST LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT IT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED, DO WE EVEN TOUCH IT NOW, CONSIDERING IS IT SENATE BILL 180, SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE, AND THEN ALSO WITH THE MOVING TARGETS OF THE APPEAL THAT'S IN PROCESS TO THE BOA. IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING WE ACT ON NOW, IF WE DO THINK IT NEEDS CLARITY, WE'LL DISCUSS IT. BUT YES, I WILL GET THE HISTORY, AND WE HAVE A WEALTH OF INFORMATION AT OUR FINGERTIPS. I ALSO HAD KATIE NEWTON, WHO FINDS ANYTHING. WHEN I SAY, I NEED TO READ THIS, SHE GOES, THIS IS WHERE IT IS. YES, IT WOULD DEFINITELY. BUT I ALSO THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT JUST COMING IN AND LOOKING AT IT AND READING IT AND SEEING WHAT YOU THINK IT MEANS WITHOUT ALL THAT BACKGROUND. BUT YES, WE HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF IT. AS MEMBER ROBS SAYS, WE CAN LOOK AT MEETINGS, AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTS. >> THANK YOU. >> WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS INCLUDING STAFF AND THEY'RE HEARING THINGS AND THEY KNOW WHAT OTHER CASES WE'VE DEALT WITH AND IN THE ACTUAL ON THE GROUND SITUATIONS THAT COME UP, SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. THE OTHER ONE WAS THE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT, WAS THE SADDLER ROAD OVERLAY. I DID PROVIDE THAT MEMO IN YOUR PACKET AGAIN. WE DID SEND THAT A MEMO TO SARAH, AND SHE WAS ABLE TO TALK TO A FEW OF THE COMMISSIONERS. [00:20:01] BUT WITH THE TRANSITION, I THINK THE SENTIMENT IS THAT MAYBE WE JUST PAUSE RIGHT NOW AND THEN SEE HOW WHAT RESOURCES WE HAVE WHAT THINGS THAT WE COULD, MAYBE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OUTSOURCING OR DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT WE DO HAVE THE COMP PLAN COMING UP. SO PERHAPS WE CAN LOOK AT MAYBE THE SADDLER ROAD OVERLAY ELEMENTS THAT YOU GUYS WORKED SO HARD ON COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT PROCESS AS WELL. IT'D BE LIKE TWO PLANS, BUT IT'D BE TOGETHER. WE WOULD UTILIZE SOME OF THE SAME MEETINGS AND ALL TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. WE'RE JUST GOING TO THE RECOMMENDATION, I GUESS, FROM MANAGEMENT RIGHT NOW IS JUST MAYBE WE TAKE A PAUSE ON THAT, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT MORE IF YOU WANT TO. THAT RIGHT NOW IS JUST THE MEMOS BEEN SENT, AND IT'S RIGHT NOW ON PAUSE. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE MUNICO. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT. IT'S BEEN I THINK, LAST YEAR, THEY STARTED THAT PROCESS, AND THERE WAS A LITTLE HICCUP WITH THE MUNICO PEOPLE. THERE WERE SOME STAFFING CHANGES, AND SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO FINALIZE WHAT WE WERE WORKING ON, BUT NOW THEY HAVE A NEW STAFF MEMBER THAT'S WORKING WITH US. WE HAD TO REVISIT THE SCOPE OF WORK BECAUSE WE WANTED TO ADD THE INDEXING, WHICH WAS A VERY IMPORTANT PART, WHICH WAS NOT INCLUDED IN OUR ORIGINAL SCOPE WE WERE WORKING ON. I KNOW GLENN'S WORKING WITH THAT AND THE SCOPE OF WORK AND THE COST TO GIVE US BACK ON SPEED. USUALLY, THAT PROCESS DOESN'T TAKE THAT LONG ONCE WE GET MOVING, RIGHT? WE'RE HOPING THAT'LL BE ACCOMPLISHED THIS YEAR. THEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION ABOUT THE SENATE BILL 180. I JUST WANTED TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SARAH TODAY ABOUT THAT. SHE'S FULLY AWARE OF THAT. I KNOW SHE'S GOING TO BE TALKING TO TERESA ABOUT IT AND JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT MEANS FOR US, RIGHT? THAT IS A PRIORITY FOR HER AND LEGAL AND ALSO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I THINK THAT'S REALLY ALL THE UPDATES, CHAIRMAN, I KNOW YOU MAY HAVE A FEW THINGS MAYBE YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS. >> WELL, AND WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD, TOO. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THAT'S THE THING THAT HAS BEEN TORMENTING US THE MOST. I'M HAPPY TO THAT THAT IS WHERE IT IS. AS THAT MOVES ALONG WITH YOU, TERESA, THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT LATER AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. THE OTHER THING THAT IS PRIMARILY ON MY MIND IS I KNOW WHAT THE WORD PAUSE MEANS. BUT I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH DOES PAUSE ME DO NOTHING. WE HAVE A LOT OF MOMENTUM GOING ON THIS OVERLAY. PERSONALLY, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I KNOW THAT IT ISN'T THE MOST URGENT THING ON THE COMMISSION'S PRIORITY LIST. BUT IT IS BY DEFINITION, AND PLANNING IS, BY ITS DEFINITION, A FUTURE-ORIENTED THING. I THINK THAT SADDLER ROAD AND WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING THAT IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE CHARACTER OF THE CITY, AND WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AND PUT INTO PLACE WHAT WE CAN, WHEN WE CAN. IT MIGHT BE 10 YEARS BEFORE SOMEBODY DOES SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. BUT I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PUT IN PLACE WHAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE THE CHARACTER OF THE CITY, TO CREATE AN INTERESTING AND THRIVING CITY. THIS AND WHAT WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT DOING AFTER THIS, I THINK ARE CRUCIAL. TO DO THAT. I KNOW WHAT PAUSE MEANS. I UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR PAUSING, BUT I DON'T WANT TO LET THAT DOWN. >> RIGHT. I WOULD ADD THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS, THE FIRST PART OF IT, IT WILL START AFTER THE NEW BUDGETS IN PLACE, AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW TO GET THAT GOING RIGHT AFTER THE BUDGETS APPROVED. THAT PROCESS AND THEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO BE UPDATED RIGHT AFTER THAT IS GOING TO COME WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR. THE OTHER THING WAS, IS THE STAFF REVIEWING THE ORDINANCE NOW AND REALLY HAVING TO DIVE INTO IT. WE HAVE FOUND SITUATIONS WHERE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ARE ALREADY IN THE ORDINANCE AND CAN BE APPLIED TO SOME OF THOSE STANDARDS THAT PERHAPS WERE VIEWED IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT FROM BEFORE. WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, WHILE WE'RE GET TO THIS TRANSITION TO HAVE SOME TIME FOR STAFF TO CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH AND SEE WHAT ELEMENTS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE. THAT COULD MEET SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. IF THOSE ELEMENTS NEED TO BE BEEFED UP A LITTLE BIT, [00:25:03] OR THEY'RE NOT CLEAR, THAT THAT'S THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE INTERPRETED WHEN IT COMES TO THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, THAT WE CAN BRING THOSE CHANGES TO YOU FOR REVIEW. [OVERLAPPING] IF GLENN WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT OR. >> I GOT SOME STUFF, I WANT TO ADD TO THE LIST. >> THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING TO GO NEXT. WE'RE CERTAINLY LOOKING AT THAT AREA, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING. WE KNOW THAT LIKE TERESA SAID, WE'RE READING THINGS EXACTLY. THAT'S OUR JOB IS TO READ IT, AND WE'LL GO TO HER FOR ANY INTERPRETATION WE NEED. BUT I THINK THE KEY THING IS WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE GAPS AS YOU DO. THERE ARE GAPS. THERE ARE THINGS THAT CONFLICT, AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN THEM UP. WE ARE CREATING A LIST. THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS CREATING A LIST. WE'RE VERY GOOD WITH YOU GUYS CREATING A LIST, BECAUSE THEN WE CAN PRIORITIZE IT AND START TAKING THESE THINGS ON BECAUSE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S NOT A SMALL LIFT. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO USE ALL THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN THE TOOLBOX THAT WE, AS MARGARET HAS SAID, WE'VE FOUND SOME THAT ARE THERE. THEY'RE JUST ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I HAVE, AS I'M READING THE CODE IS THAT YOU LOOK HERE, YOU LOOK HERE, YOU LOOK HERE FOR THE SAME THINGS. THAT'S REALLY CHALLENGING FOR US, LET ALONE AN APPLICANT. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO START CLEANING THOSE THINGS UP AS A PRIORITY. WE CAN CAPTURE EVERYTHING AND OUR GOAL IS TO DO THE RIGHT THING. YEAH. WE INVITE ACTUALLY TO GIVE US A LIST SO WE CAN CREATE A MASTER LIST. TO CLOSE THAT, WE ARE DEFINITELY TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND JUST TAKE A RESET AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE THINGS RIGHT, AND WE'RE FOLLOWING ALL THE REGULATIONS BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THE PLANNING STAFF IS COMMITTED TO, AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE CODE AS IT WAS WRITTEN. THANK YOU. [7.1 Discussion - Updates on LDC Text Amendments and Board priorities.] >>YES. FLORIDA STATUTE 784, WHICH WE'VE HEARD ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING. WE HAVE TO GET THAT INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND MAKE CHANGES. WE NEED TO GET STARTED ON MODIFYING AN LDC SO PEOPLE CAN START WORKING WITH IT. WE ALSO HAVE BILL 1730. THAT IS A NEW UPDATE ON THE LIVE LOCAL. IT'S 20 SOME PAGES LONG, I BELIEVE. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND LIVE LOCAL. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND FROM A PLANNING BOARD STANDPOINT, WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS THAT COULD OCCUR AS A RESULT OF CERTAIN DECISION MAKING THAT WE MAKE AND HOW IT COULD BE NEGATIVE OR POSITIVELY IMPACTED AGAINST THE CITY AND EVEN CONSIDERING AS WE GROW THE CITY IN THROUGH ANNEXATION AND SO ON, THOSE WE NEED TO TAKE ON. THOSE LAW ALREADY PASSED JULY THE 1ST. WE ALSO HAVE ONE THAT'S CRAWL TO ME RIGHT NOW IS WHAT I'LL CALL THE 14TH STREET PROPERTY. WE'RE ON THE FIFTH REVISION GOING TO THE TRC TOMORROW. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S GOING TO GO. BUT THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS, AND I'M GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE PEOPLE SAY, "WHO THE HELL IS RUNNING THE RAILROAD?" HOW DO THESE THINGS HAPPEN? WE HEAR ABOUT IT BECAUSE MIKE LUCKOVICH PUTS IT IN THE ELECTRONIC NEWS. WELL, RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THE DENSITY. WELL, THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT PROPERTY WE MADE THE DECISION ON BEFORE THE NEW DENSITY REQUIREMENT WENT FROM 34 WAS IT 18 NOW, I THINK PER ACRE? OKAY, SO PROBABLY DENSITY IS OKAY. BUT AS FAR AS THE PARKING AND SO FORTH, I DON'T BELIEVE WE EVER DISCUSSED IT. BUT SOMEHOW WE NEED TO HAVE BETTER COMMUNICATIONS AROUND WHEN THESE ODD THINGS HAPPEN BECAUSE IT MAY AFFECT IN THE FUTURE WHAT THE PAB DOES OR HOW THEY DO THEIR JOB OR HOW THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION GOING FORWARD. SENATE BILL AT 180. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT. >> I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. >> OKAY. [LAUGHTER] THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THAT IN THIS CASE, WE NEED TO GET A BETTER COMMUNICATION PROCESS. I MEAN, THAT'S COLLECTIVELY, I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE PLANNING COMMUNITY NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND. >> TERESA, WHAT IS YOUR ROLE IN HELPING US UNDERSTAND THAT? >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, LEGISLATIVE UPDATES TO YOU WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I SHOULD BRING TO YOU. AS FAR AS LIVE LOCAL GOES, ADVISE YOU OF THE NEW CHANGES, BUT AS WE KNOW, AND I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT TO BE ON A BOARD OR BE A COMMISSIONER. BUT THE LIVE LOCAL PROCESS DOESN'T TOUCH YOU. IT DOESN'T COME TO THIS BOARD, [00:30:02] AND THAT IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF LIVE LOCAL. IT IS AND THEY'VE CLARIFIED IT EVEN MORE TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME JURISDICTIONS THAT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO PUT IT THROUGH A QUASI JUDICIAL PROCESS AT A LOWER LEVEL. BEING UPDATED ON PROJECTS THAT ARE OF CONCERN FOR THE COMMUNITY IS ONE THING. BUT BUT THIS BOARD ON LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS HAS NO DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY. BUT UPDATING YOU ON THE LEGISLATION, SO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CHANGES ARE, I THINK WOULD BE MY ROLE TO BRING THOSE CHANGES TO YOU. I'M NOT PREPARED TO DO THAT TONIGHT. I AM FAMILIAR WITH IT. I KNOW ONE OF THE CHAPTERS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP WAS, I BELIEVE. IS THAT THE 784? >> YEP, YEP. >> THAT THE STAFF HAS ALREADY STARTED WORKING ON. I KNOW HARRISON POOL AS PRO TEM BROUGHT A RESOLUTION FORWARD VERY QUICKLY. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS WE'LL NEED TO AMEND OUR CODE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THE SECTIONS OF OUR CODE THAT REQUIRE THE PLAT PROCESS THAT VIOLATE THE STATUTE, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT RIGHT NOW. THE COMMISSION HAS ADOPTED A RESOLUTION. THEY DID SO VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE OF THE NEW LEGISLATION, AND THERE IS NOW A FLOW CHART BEING WORKED ON. THERE'S A PROCESS THAT I BELIEVE GLENN OR THAT YOU GUYS COULD SPEAK TO. I MEAN, IT'S COME TO ME TO LOOK AT, BUT I THINK THEY'VE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED A PROCESS ON THAT. AT LEAST WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THINGS THAT WE CAN'T AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THAT STATUTE WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THAT ALSO CANNOT COME TO A PLANNING BOARD OR A COMMISSION ANY LONGER. IT WILL BE A STAFF PROCESS. WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OF RECEIVING IT, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DETERMINE IF IT'S COMPLETE, NOT APPROVED, BUT IS IT A COMPLETE PACKAGE? THEN IT GOES THROUGH OUR NORMAL STAFF PROCESSES, AND THEN IT IS TO BE SIGNED BY A HEAD OF THE COMMUNITY, OURS OR THE GOVERNING BODY, AND OURS HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO BE THE CITY MANAGER. ONCE IT GETS THROUGH AND TOUCHES ALL THE TRC, WHICH WOULD BE ALL THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN PLATTING. THERE WAS SOME QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCESS COULD HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED. THAT AT LEAST IT WOULD COME THROUGH ONCE BECAUSE THE PRELIMINARY LEVEL IS WHERE WE SEE THE ENGINEERING, WHERE WE SEE ALL THE GUTS, I WOULD SAY. IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED, AND EVERY ATTORNEY I'VE SPOKEN WITH, AND I BELIEVE THIS AS WELL AS THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO. THE ENTIRE PROCESS IS OUT OF THE BOARD'S HAND NOW. THE ENTIRE PROCESS. IT WILL GO THROUGH AT THE STAFF LEVEL WITH THE STAFF THAT IS PERTINENT TO COMMENTING ON A PLAT. IT WILL HAVE TO BE, COMMENTS WILL GO BACK AND FORTH, AND THERE IS A PROCESS, AND THEN IT WILL BE APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER, SO THAT WE ARE WORKING ON. BUT THE SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS I SHOULD BE UPDATING YOU ON THESE THINGS WHEN THEY HAPPEN, AND I WILL DO SO. >> NINE DAYS. I KNOW. >> [LAUGHTER] SENATE BILL 180, I'M GLAD THAT MEMBER ROBS WANTS TO TACKLE THAT BECAUSE EVEN THE SUMMARIES BY THE BRILLIANT LEGAL MINDS IN FLORIDA, WITH LARGE, LARGE LAW FIRMS WITH MANY MORE LAWYERS THAN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR SCRITE. I MEAN, IT'S COMPLICATED. THE IMPACTS OF IT ARE BROAD OVERREACHING, AND YOU JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT THE LEGISLATURE MEANT OR NOT. FIXES ARE, I THINK ON OUR EVERYBODY'S MINDS AT THE IMPACT OF THIS. I'M NOT PREPARED TO SPEAK TO IT PROBABLY AS INTELLIGENTLY AS YOU WERE, SINCE YOU HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED JOE, BRING IT UP. BUT I CAN CERTAINLY PREPARE FOR OUR NEXT MEETING TO BRING YOU UP TO SPEED ON THESE ITEMS. >>AS FAR AS 784, WE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER GLENN AND I WITH A CHART AND SOME WORD DOCUMENTS THAT LEGAL IS LOOKING AT, AND THE CITY MANAGER IS LOOKING AT. BUT IN THE INTERIM, WE HAD SOME THAT WERE, LIKE, HAD CAME TO THIS BOARD AND ACTUALLY WITHDREW. WE SET UP A PROCESS WITH THE COMMISSION BEING COMFORTABLE WITH THE CITY MANAGER SIGNING THE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT ORDER WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAN INCLUDED IN THAT BASED ON THE TRC'S REVIEW OF EVERYTHING. THAT'S HOW WE'RE PROCESSING THEM RIGHT NOW. THEN WHEN WE GET THE FINAL PROCESS IN PLACE, AND THEN ANY CHANGES THAT MEANS TO THE LDC, WE WILL BRING THEM. >> TERESA HIT ON AN INTERESTING POINT, THE FACT THAT LIVE LOCAL BASICALLY EXCLUDES US FROM BEING ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THAT DECISION PROCESS, THAT I UNDERSTAND. HOWEVER, WITH THE FACT THAT LOCAL RULE IS ATTEMPTING TO BE A THING OF THE PAST, AND AS A STATE DECIDES THEY'RE GOING TO LEGISLATE MORE AND MORE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IS ALMOST GET ON THE DEFENSIVE. ONE OF THE THINGS IS MAYBE WE CHANGE HOW WE THINK ABOUT ZONING BECAUSE OF THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS IT COULD OCCUR BY SOMETHING THAT LIVE LOCAL OR SOMETHING THAT MAYBE IN THE PIPE DOWN THE ROAD A YEAR OR TWO. IT'S JUST THE CONCERN I HAVE IS [00:35:04] THE FACT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT OUR CITY AND OUR LIFESTYLE, AND IT'S GETTING MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT. SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS GET SMARTER ON DEFENSE. >> I THINK MR. STEVENSON SPOT ON. I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG REASONS WHY WE DECIDED TO DO THIS COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT SUBCOMMITTEE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PICK THAT UP AT SOME POINT IN TIME BECAUSE A LOT OF IT DOES DEAL WITH BALANCING OUT THE EFFECTS FROM LOCAL AND PRIORITIZING OR INCENTIVIZING TRUE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. >> WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF THINGS. JUST ASSUME THAT THE 14TH STREET PROPERTY JUST GOES ON THROUGH. WELL, THERE WAS AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE IN TERMS OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OFF 14TH STREET AND INTO AMERIA PARK. IT'S A TRAFFIC ISSUE. WELL, THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS REGISTER WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH A A GLOBAL LOOK, SEE, BUT NOW WE GOT TO START THINKING ABOUT THAT STUFF. >> AND, NOT TO BE BEARER OF BAD NEWS AGAIN, THOSE REZONINGS. ACTUALLY, THIS DOES SEGUE INTO SOMETHING ELSE THAT I DO WANT TO IMPLEMENT AGAIN. WE WILL BE HANDLING QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTERS AS QUASI JUDICIAL AT THIS BOARD LEVEL AGAIN. IF IT IS QUASI JUDICIAL AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL, WE WILL BE HANDLING IT AS QUASI-JUDICIAL HERE BECAUSE THAT IS APPROPRIATE. YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS CONSIDERED. CAN BE, AS LONG AS IT RELIES ON FACTS THAT CAN BE RELIED UPON, IT CAN BE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE ALONG WITH THE STAFF REPORT. I DO WANT TO IMPLEMENT THOSE AGAIN. I'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE COMMISSION ABOUT ADOPTING QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEDURES FOR ALL BOARDS. THEY HAVE ONE AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL. THE PROCESSES THAT WE WILL FOLLOW BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT. I THINK IT'S REQUIRED THAT WE HANDLE QUASI-JUDICIAL AS QUASI-JUDICIAL AT THIS LEVEL. THEN THAT'S WHERE IT GETS INTO A REZONING. NOW IF A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT IS LEGISLATIVE, AND YOU CAN TAKE SOME OTHER MATTERS INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT WHEN A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER COMES TO YOU AS A PLANNING BOARD, YOU CAN ONLY RELY ON THE EVIDENCE THAT IS PRESENTED TO YOU AND THAT IS CONSIDERED COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL CASE. I'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION THAT I WILL DISTRIBUTE TO YOU ON WHAT LAY PEOPLE CAN DISCUSS. LIKE, CAN LAY PEOPLE TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD? AND IS THAT EVIDENCE THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER? CAN A LAY PERSON TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT A REZONING WILL IMPACT THEIR PROPERTY VALUE? MAYBE NOT. JUST SOME CASES THAT TALK ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE THAT GET UP TO TESTIFY CAN COVER AND WHAT YOU CAN CONSIDER WITH A REZONING. ANNEXATIONS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT AT A REZONING LEVEL, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BOUND BY WHAT EVIDENCE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO RELY ON. YOU CERTAINLY DO WHATEVER IS A BOARD THAT YOU DECIDE TO DO, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S INTERESTING IN THE CASES, IT'S WHEN THE PLANNING BOARD RELIES ON THE PROPER EVIDENCE, THEN YOU'RE ALSO CONSIDERED SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE THAT IT WAS A PROPER REZONING, AND THAT IT SHOULD BE RECOMMENDED OR IF IT'S DENIED. I'LL BE GETTING THAT INFORMATION TO YOU. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO WORK TOWARDS AND WE'LL HELP YOU. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ATTEND YOUR MEETINGS UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU DO HAVE AUTHORITY AND WHERE YOU DON'T. AND JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH LIVE LOCAL. YOU'VE BEEN TOLD PROBABLY BY EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S SET UP HERE THAT THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO, EXCEPT FOR BE ON THE DEFENSIVE AND COME UP WITH SOME CREATIVE WAYS TO DO WHAT WE CAN LEGALLY DO AND LEGALLY DEFEND. ON REZONING TOO. >> THAT'S GOOD. I LIKE THAT. >> [INAUDIBLE] THEN IT TOOK IT AWAY FROM. >> WELL, IT IS. >> THANK YOU. >> NICK, I'M JUST GOING TO REITERATE AGAIN FOR THE 15TH TIME THAT PUDS WOULD BE QUASI-JUDICIAL, AND THEY WOULD FOLLOW THE SAME RULES AS THE REZONING AND WOULD HAVE PUBLIC INPUT. WHEREAS AS WE SEE NOW, PLATS HAVE BEEN STRICKEN AWAY FROM US. NOW, NOT ONLY DO WE DO THE PUBLIC NOT SEE THE PLATS, AND THE PUD BASICALLY WAS KILLED, BUT NOW THERE'S NO VEHICLE FOR THINGS TO COME FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE. >> BECAUSE THE ONLY THING THAT WAS LEFT RIGHT WITH, WHAT WAS IT? SEVEN EIGHT FOUR WAS PATS WERE UNAFFECTED BY THAT MODIFIED REVIEW PROCESS. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH A THREE QUARTER ACRE. >> [INAUDIBLE] SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR PATS ANYMORE, RIGHT? >> WELL, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID. GO AHEAD, VICTORIA. [00:40:01] >> ONE EIGHTY. >> I'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THE SENATE BILL 180. I'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON IT, AND I THOUGHT THAT I MIGHT JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO BRING US BACK UP TO WHAT OUR MAIN FOCUS, OUR MAIN DIRECTIVE IS, THE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT WE WORK WITH EXCLUSIVELY, WHICH IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WHERE WE FIND OUR AUTHORITY TO DO THAT IS IN THE FLORIDA STATUTES. IF YOU LOOK UNDER CHAPTER 163 INTERGOVERNMENTAL PROGRAMS, IT IS UNDER PART 2, THE GROWTH POLICY, COUNTY AND MUNICIPAL PLANNING LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION, 163.251-163.3253. IT GOES ON, IT LISTS EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE THING YOU CAN IMAGINE. BUT THE TWO SECTIONS THAT WE'VE, I GUESS REFER TO A LOT, IS 163:3161, WHICH IS THE SHORT TITLE OF THE REALLY, COMMUNITY PLANNING ACT. IN THAT ACT, I FOUND IT INTERESTING TO WELL, REFRESH MYSELF OF WHAT THAT MEANS. IT'S ITEM PARAGRAPH 4, WHICH IS, IT IS THE INTENT OF THIS ACT THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE THE ABILITY TO PRESERVE AND ENHANCE PRESENT ADVANTAGES. ENCOURAGE THE MOST APPROPRIATE USE OF LAND, WATER, AND RESOURCES, CONSISTENT WITH THE PUBLIC INTEREST. OVERCOME PRESENT HANDICAPS AND DEAL EFFECTIVELY WITH FUTURE PROBLEMS THAT MAY RESULT FROM THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF LAND WITHIN OUR JURISDICTIONS. THROUGH THE PROCESS OF COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, IT IS INTENDED THAT UNITS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN PRESERVE, PROMOTE, PROTECT, AND IMPROVE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, COMFORT, GOOD ORDER, APPEARANCE, CONVENIENCE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND FIRE PROTECTION, AND THE GENERAL WELFARE FACILITATE THE ADEQUATE AND EFFICIENT PROVISION OF TRANSPORTATION, WATER, SEWAGE, SCHOOLS, PARKS, RECREATION FACILITIES, HOUSING, AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS AND SERVICES, AND CONSERVE, DEVELOP, UTILIZE, AND PROTECT NATURAL RESOURCES WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTIONS. THAT SAYS IT ALL TO ME AND WHAT IS REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOARD, THIS COMMUNITY PLANNING ACT. THAT'S OUR CONSTITUTIONS, GO OUT THERE AND THIS IS WHAT WE DO. THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT, IN MY OPINION, IS UNDER SECTION 163.3174 LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY. SECTION 3174, THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY, THE GOVERNING BODY OF EACH LOCAL GOVERNMENT SHALL DESIGNATE AND BY ORDINANCE ESTABLISH A LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY. THAT'S US. THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY SHALL PREPARE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR PLAN AMENDMENT AFTER HEARINGS TO BE HELD AFTER PUBLIC NOTICE AND SHALL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE GOVERNMENT BODY REGARDING THE ADOPTION OR AMENDMENT OF THE PLAN. I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL THIS. BUT IT'S WHAT WE DO WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THIS IS WHAT GIVES US THE AUTHORITY TO DO WHAT WE DO. I THINK IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT MOMENT, MAYBE IN WHERE WE ARE RIGHT RIGHT NOW TO REFRESH OURSELVES THAT THIS IS OUR PURPOSE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE FOR THE STATE, WHICH IS, WE ARE THE CITY OF FERNANDINA'S LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY, AND WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES AND DUTIES THAT COME WITH THAT. HAVING SAID ALL THAT, NOW COMES SENATE BILL 180. WELL, IT LEAVES ME SPEECHLESS, QUITE FRANKLY, BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, IT'S VERY COMPLICATED. [00:45:07] IT'S A LOT OF RAMBLES THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT WAS REALLY MEANT FOR HURRICANES AND AFTER HURRICANES AND HOW YOU DEVELOP A COMMUNITY AFTER HURRICANES. BUT AT THE LAST MINUTE, ALL THINGS WERE PUT IN IT. I'LL GO TO THE THOUSAND FRIENDS OF FLORIDA WEBSITE FOR A LOT OF MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE BIG BILLS. THEY REALLY HAVE A VERY, I'LL SAY, BALANCED WAY OF LOOKING AT THINGS. I THOUGHT THAT I MIGHT JUST HIGHLIGHT, JUST FOR US FOR A MOMENT, AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO PASS THIS OVER TO STAFF SO YOU'LL HAVE A COPY OF THIS. BUT IT'S A POSITION STATEMENT, AND THEIR HEADLINE IS RESTORE COMMUNITY PLANNING, FIX SENATE BILL 180. THOUSAND FRIENDS OF FLORIDA CALLS FOR REPEAL OF DAMAGING PROVISIONS OF SENATE BILL 180 IN THE NEXT LEGISLUR, WHICH IS 2026. BECAUSE THIS ALL BECAME EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2025, AND COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THE STATE OF FLORIDA ARE JUST NOW SAYING, WHAT? WHAT DOES THIS REALLY MEAN? LET ME JUST SHARE WITH YOU ALL A FEW OF THE HIGHLIGHTS I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THEM THAT THE FRIENDS OF FLORIDA HAVE PUT OUT. THIS IS A POSITION STATEMENT. IT SAYS WITH THIS LEGISLATION, THE STATE HAS STRIPPED AWAY ALL LOCAL GOVERNMENT HOME RULE AUTHORITY TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE AND STOLEN THE RIGHTS OF CITIZENS TO HELP SHAPE THEIR COMMUNITIES THROUGH PLANNING. THESE RIGHTS HAVE BEEN FOUNDATIONAL TO FLORIDA'S PLANNING PROCESS SINCE 1985. SENATE BILL 180, WHICH JUST WENT INTO EFFECT JULY 1, 2025, DECIMATES THE ABILITY OF EVERY COUNTY AND MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT IN FLORIDA AND THEIR CITIZENS TO IMPLEMENT NEW POLICIES AND TO ADDRESS MERIT CRITICAL COMMUNITY ISSUES, INCLUDING IDENTIFYING APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS, STANDARDS, AND DENSITIES FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, PROTECTING SENSITIVE, NATURAL AND AGRICULTURAL LANDS, MANAGING WATER QUALITY, AND SUPPLY, INCLUDING STORMWATER, ENHANCING COMMUNITY RESILIENCE TO LESSER IMPACTS FROM AND COST OF NATURAL DISASTERS, AND MORE. TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, IT EVEN REACHES BACK IN TIME TO INVALIDATE PRIOR PLANS AND LAWS THAT WERE PROPERLY ADOPTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW BEFORE SENATE BILL 180. SENATE BILL 180 IS, IN ESSENCE, A REPEAL OF FLORIDA'S LAND USE PLANNING LAWS. I COULD GO ON FOR MORE AND MORE BAR, BUT I THINK YOU GOT THE GIST OF THAT. >> IF YOU GIVE THAT TO STAFF AND SEND US A LINK. ARE THEY GOING TO DO A WEBINAR AROUND THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW YET. THEY'RE JUST MARSHALING BECAUSE AGAIN, MOST COMMUNITIES ARE JUST NOW FINDING OUT ABOUT IT. THEY'RE JUST NOW SAYING, GOD, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS? I SUSPECT THERE WILL BE FURTHER. I'M SURE OUR ATTORNEY WILL BE UPDATING US ON WHEN THOSE WEBINARS OR WHATEVER WILL BE HANDLED. I'M GOING TO PASS THIS OVER TO STAFF. >> THERE IS, IF I MAY. THE 1000 FRIENDS OF FLORIDA. I'VE ALSO RECEIVED TWO DIFFERENT WHITE PAPERS, IS WHAT WE CALL THEM IN THE LAW WHERE LAW FIRMS ANALYZE. THE 1000 FRIENDS OF FLORIDA HAVE DONE AN ANALYSIS TO BREAK DOWN WHAT MEMBER ROBS IS JUST TALKING ABOUT. IT JUST RESTRICT YOUR RIGHTS TO ADOPT ANY LEGISLATION FOR A YEAR AFTER A HURRICANE [INAUDIBLE] FORUM. SEVERAL OTHER MORATORIUMS. IT IS GOING TO BE FAR REACHING, AND IT IS VERY CONCERNING TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ACROSS THE STATE AS BEEN SAID. I WILL ALSO FORWARD THE VARIOUS WHITE PAPERS THAT I HAVE THAT TALK ABOUT THE LAW AND HOW IT DOES IMPACT YOU AND HOW IT CHANGES YOUR RIGHTS. I THINK YOU USE THE WORD STRIPS AWAY. I'LL GO WITH CHANGES. [LAUGHTER] I'LL GET THOSE. I CAN GET THAT TO STAFF SO THEY CAN CIRCULATE IT TO YOU AS WELL. >> A 1000 FRIENDS OF FLORIDA IS INVOLVED. I DON'T KNOW IF FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. WE HAD ON OUR LIST OF PRIORITIES AND WE PUT AWAY IN THE EXAMINED HOME RULE OPTIONS. BUT I THINK HOME RULE IS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WHAT THIS COURT CAN DO ABOUT IT, HONESTLY, BUT IT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR CITY PLANNING. [00:50:02] >> BUT GETTING SOME DIRECTION ON WHERE WE GO WITH THIS IS CRITICAL. BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING OUR EAR PROCESS AFTER SEPTEMBER, AFTER THE FALL TO GET READY FOR 2026. THAT'S OUR NEXT YEAR. IF ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE FIND THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE NO PURPOSE IN LIFE BECAUSE OF THIS LAW, THIS TAKES 163 OUT THE WINDOW. ONE SIXTY THREE HAS BEEN THE BIBLE FOR COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO DEVELOP. IT'S WORKED FOR US FOR ALL THESE MANY YEARS. IT'S A VERY CONCERNING NEW LAW, AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT AFFECTS NOT ONLY JUST US ON THIS BOARD, BUT HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY? >> HOW DOES IT IMPACT THE ONES THAT ARE BEING ADOPTED ON AUGUST 19. [LAUGHTER] IT'S FAR REACHING. AGAIN, I'VE LOOKED AT THE BILL. I'VE READ SOME WHITE PAPERS. I JUST DIDN'T FEEL READY TO DISCUSS IT WITH YOU IN DEPTH, BUT I WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE FORWARD YOU THE WHITE PAPERS THAT I'VE BEEN READING SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGES AND HOW THE VARIOUS ENTITIES THAT HAVE LOOKED AT IT THINK IT'S GOING TO IMPACT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, PLANNING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, COUNTY COMMISSIONS, ALL THAT. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE. >> OTHER COMMENTS? WE CAN COME BACK. [8. PUBLIC COMMENT] I DON'T WANT MS. SMEDLEY TO HAVE TO WAIT TOO LONG. WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR NOW? >> YOU HAVE ONE. >> PAT SMEDLEY? >> MY NAME IS PAT SMEDLEY. I LIVE AT 1744 SOUTH 15TH STREET IN FERNANDINA BEACH. I'M CLEAR NOW AFTER LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY REGARDING LIVE LOCAL. BUT MR. BENNETT, I BELIEVE IT WAS MR. BENNETT BROUGHT UP THE 14TH STREET PROJECT, AND MR. AKRAMOV. MENTIONED ALSO ABOUT THE LDC, AND THAT YOU AND THE CITY HAVE A LONG LIST OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AMBIGUITIES IN THE LDC THAT NEED ADDRESSING. LOW HANGING FRUIT IS MY OWN WORD FOR THAT. REGARDING THE 14TH STREET DARIUS PROJECT, SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP. THERE IS A HUGE AMBIGUITY AS TO WHETHER YOU APPLY PARKING RULES UNDER CHAPTER 7 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR UNDER CHAPTER 6. WE, THE CITIZENS NEED AN ANSWER ON THIS MATTER OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR LIVE LOCAL. IMMEDIATELY, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THAT DARIUS PROJECT, AND THE HEARING WITH THE APPLICANT IS SCHEDULED FOR THURSDAY. THE CITY MADE COMMENTS TO THE APPLICANT ON THEIR LAST SUBMITTAL, AND YET THE APPLICANT HASN'T EVEN RESPONDED TO THOSE, AND YET WE HAVE A MEETING ON THURSDAY, AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE IS. WE JUST NEED A DECISION. THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR BEFORE THIS MOVES ANY FURTHER DOWN THE PIPELINE WITH THE TRC. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I NOTED THAT GLENN SAID, IF I MIGHT CALL YOU GLENN. GLENN SAID IN KELLY'S ABSENCE. I FOUND THAT WORDING VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF SHE'S STILL A CITY EMPLOYEE. DO WE HAVE TO READ IT IN THE PAPER? WE DON'T KNOW WHO REPLACED KELLY, UNLESS IT'S MR. IS IT YOUR JOB NOW? ARE YOU REPLACING KELLY ON THE TRC. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO OUR MAIN, MARGARET'S BEEN GREAT, BUT WE'RE JUST WONDERING WHO THE NEW GO TO PERSON IS. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> I CAN ADDRESS THE COMMENTS FOR 15TH. THERE HAS BEEN A DECISION MADE. IT'S JUST CAME LIKE, LATE YESTERDAY. THERE HAS BEEN A LEGAL INTERPRETATION THAT THE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE ORDINANCE UNDER THE ZONING THAT IT IS HAVE TO BE MET. THAT COMMENT WAS RELAYED TO THE APPLICANT. THE LAST WE SPOKE TODAY, THEY WERE WITHDRAWING THEIR APPLICATION TO DO SOME REVISIONS TO THEIR PLANS. WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT IN WRITING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO. THAT QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED, THAT THEY HAVE TO, THE WAY THE PARKING STANDARDS WERE CALCULATED WERE INCORRECT. >> ARE WE STILL GOING TO HAVE A TRC MEETING IN THE MORNING? [00:55:03] >> THEY HAVE REQUESTED TO WITHDRAW OFF. WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THAT OFFICIALLY IN WRITING. >> WHO'S IN CHARGE? THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS. >> TRC DIRECTORS IN CHARGE. >> [OVERLAPPING] WHO WOULD BE SITTING ON THE TRC IN KELLY'S ABSENCE? >> THAT WOULD BE ME. WHEN I REFERRED TO ME BEING IN THE LEADERSHIP ROLE OF THE OF PLANNING, THAT IS, SO I'M GO TO. >> JUST FOR THE RECORD OF CLARITY WITH THIS BOARD, I DID WORK ON, THE ANNEXATION OF DARIUS. WHAT I HAVE DONE IS I AM NOT INVOLVED AT ALL IN THIS LEGAL OPINION. THE LEGAL OPINION HAS GONE TO HARRISON POOL, AND BECAUSE WE HAVE A CONFLICT LIST. HE FILLS IN EVEN BEFORE HE WAS PRO TEM. THAT HAS ALL BEEN HANDLED BY MR. POOL, AND I HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN IT BECAUSE IT WAS SPECIFIC TO THAT SITE JUST IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION. THAT EVERYBODY WOULD FEEL, THAT THEY WERE GETTING A LOOK WITH SOMEBODY THAT WASN'T INVOLVED, EVEN THOUGH ALL I HAD DONE WAS THE ANNEXATION. THAT LEGAL OPINION CAME FROM MR. POOL AND THEY'LL BE WORKING FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT YOU GUYS JUST SAID. [LAUGHTER] >> AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE I HAD THE TRC MEETING TOMORROW AT 10 O'CLOCK ON MY CALENDAR JUST FOR THAT TO HEAR THAT DISCUSSION, IS IT NINE? NINE. JUST TO HEAR THAT DISCUSSION. ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY HAVE PULLED THEIR APPLICATION. IT WON'T BE HEARD? >> THE OWNER HAS SAID VERBALLY THAT THEY WANT TO WITHDRAW THEIR APPLICATION BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS, AND THEY CAN'T DO THAT IN TIME FOR ME. OF COURSE, THERE WERE SOME OTHER COMMENTS, NOT JUST THE PARKING. THE FINAL DECISION WAS MADE ON THE PARKING JUST YESTERDAY AS TO THAT THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE A REVISION OF THE PARKING LOT. THEY VERBALLY REQUESTED IT. I HAVE REQUESTED THEM TO SEND THAT IN WRITING, ALSO ASKING FOR EXTENSION BECAUSE THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON HOW LONG AN APPLICATION CAN STAY WITHOUT RESPONDING. I'M WAITING FOR THAT IN WRITING, BUT WE GOT A VERBAL. UNLESS GLENN SEE SOMETHING NOW THAT I HAD CHECKED MY EMAIL. >> WE DO HAVE IT IN WRITING AS OF 348. OKAY. >> JUST KIND OF CHANCE. >> IT WILL NOT BE ON THE CONSIDERATION AGENDA FOR THE TRC TOMORROW. >> IT WILL NOT. WE WILL STILL HAVE THE MEETING BECAUSE LIKE WE SAID, WE'RE DOING A LITTLE RESET, AND WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS AS PART OF THAT RESET. WE'LL HAVE A MEETING ANYWAY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY. >> WE GOT MINUTES AND STUFF FROM OUR MEETINGS. EXACTLY. >> MARK. >> THANK YOU. MARGARET KIRKLAND 1377 PLANTATION POINT DRIVE. HOME RULE. HOME RULE IS CRITICAL TO THE CULTURE OF FERNANDINA BEACH. IT IS CRITICAL TO THE CULTURE OF FERNANDINA BEACH. THE STATE HAS BEEN TAKING AWAY THE RIGHTS OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN FLORIDA IN RECENT YEARS, AND IT'S BEEN VERY DRAMATIC AND VERY SHOCKING. NUMBER 1, ALL PARTS OF FLORIDA ARE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME. THEREFORE, SAME DECISIONS SHOULD NOT BE MADE IN EVERY PART OF FLORIDA. THE COMMUNITIES ARE NOT THE SAME IN EVERY PART OF FLORIDA. WHY IN THE HECK WOULD YOU WANT TO MAKE THE SAME DECISIONS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF FLORIDA? IT'S REALLY A MAJOR PROBLEM. DECISIONS IN FLORIDA SHOULD BE MADE BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE FROM OUR VULNERABILITY STUDIES, DATA WE HAVE REGARDING PROJECTIONS FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR WEATHER OR CLIMATE, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT BASED ON THE COMMUNITY'S VALUES AND SO ON, AND NOT BASED ON WHAT SOMEONE IN TALLAHASSEE THINKS WILL BRING CASH TO THEIR POCKET TODAY. IT IS ABSOLUTELY A DETERIORATION OF OLD VALUES THAT EXISTED AT ONE POINT. WE LIVE ON A BARRIER ISLAND. WE KNOW WHAT OUR CLIMATE IS GOING TO BE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF INTENSIVE RAINFALL. EVERYBODY CONSISTENTLY PROJECTS THAT FOR THIS AREA OF THE STATE, REGIONAL COUNCIL, EVERYBODY. WE HAVE TO PREPARE FOR THESE THINGS, AND IF WE'RE NOT PREPARED, [01:00:03] THEN IT'S GOING TO BE VERY COSTLY. IT'S GOING TO IMPACT OUR ECONOMY, AS WELL AS THE SOCIAL FABRIC AND AS WELL AS THE ENVIRONMENT. ALL THESE THINGS ARE INTERTWINED TOGETHER. THEY ARE NOT SEPARATE THINGS. WE DON'T HAVE THE ECONOMY OVER HERE AND THE ENVIRONMENT OVER HERE. IT'S ALL INTERDEPENDENT. THAT'S ESPECIALLY TRUE ON A BARRIER ISLAND. THANK YOU. >> MARGARET, YOU'RE A VERY GOOD COMMUNITY ORGANIZER. WHAT WE NEED IS A PLAN TO AFFECT TALLAHASSEE BECAUSE YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. [LAUGHTER] >> OR BRING BACK SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY'VE TAKEN AWAY, LIKE CONCURRENCY. WHICH DEALT WITH ALL OF THESE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> ISSUES, AND NOW THAT'S GOING. TRAFFIC WAS IN THAT, BY THE WAY. >> [BACKGROUND] ONE MORE THING I WANT TO SAY. >> COME. >> NO. >> SORRY. [LAUGHTER] >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MR. AKRAMOV IS WELL AWARE THAT WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF EXPERTISE UP HERE ON THE DIAS. IT'S NOT ALL CONSISTENT. NOT EVERYONE HAS EXACTLY THE SAME PERSPECTIVE, BUT IT IS ALL VERY VALUABLE EXPERTISE. THERE IS NO ONE UP HERE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A LOT TO OFFER. >> THANK YOU. >> MR. LLOYD, WE ALWAYS LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. I WILL TELL YOU PAID PARKING IS NOT BEFORE THIS BOARD. [LAUGHTER] >> [BACKGROUND] PAID PARKING IS NOT BEFORE THIS BOARD. BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO US, COME ON. [LAUGHTER] HE DID WRITE DOWN WHAT HE WANTED. >> GOOD EVENING. GOOD AFTERNOON, PAUL LAURI 11 SOUTH SEVENTH STREET FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU SAY PAY PARKING IS NOT WITH THIS BOARD, BUT IT DID GET INTRODUCED FROM THIS BOARD. THERE WAS A CONVERSATION. I'M UP HERE IN A VERY SOFT WAY, PLEASE. I FIRST WANT TO VALUE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AND SAY, THANK YOU. YOU'RE CITIZENS THAT ARE DOING THE BEST THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY. I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS GOING BACK AND LISTENING TO SOME OF THE VIDEOS, MS. VICTORIA TALKS ABOUT THE CHARM OF OUR CITY, MAINTAINING THE CHARM. A FEW BOARD MEMBERS HAVE SAID THAT, SO IT'S CENTRAL TO MY HEART, SO I'M UP HERE IN A VERY SOFT WAY. BUT I AM UP HERE AS A PAID PARKING AS A NO PAID PARKING ADVOCATE. I WATCHED THE CONVERSATIONS WHERE THEY TRAVEL TO. I LOVE READING. I READ A LOT. ONE OF MY FAVORITE SAYINGS, A STORIES COME FROM SOMEWHERE, AND PAID PARKING COMES FROM SOMEWHERE. WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT. I KNOW PAID PARKING HAS COME FROM A STORY BACK IN 1947 IN FERNANDINA'S HISTORY. BUT MOST RECENTLY, IT GOT INTRODUCED IN A BOARD MEETING HERE RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION. IT WAS INTRODUCED LIKE, HEY, WE'VE GOT TO BE AWARE ABOUT PAID PARKING BECAUSE IT'S COMING, AND THAT THE PARAMETERS OF THE PREMIUM AREA EVEN GOT INTRODUCED. AS A SMALL CONVERSATION PIECE ON THIS BOARD. YES, I WOULD SAY, BE VERY CAREFUL. ABOUT THIS BOARD AND ITS INTEGRITY AND TALKING ABOUT PAID PARKING OR IF SUBJECTS ARE NOT IN THE SCOPE OF A BOARD, BECAUSE IT DOES TAKE AWAY CREDIBILITY. WHEN I LISTEN TO CITIZENS THAT ARE CONFUSED ABOUT, EVEN WHAT'S HAPPENING TOMORROW AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR CITY, I'M ONE OF THOSE THAT ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT. I'VE GOT A HISTORIC PROPERTY THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF AND INVEST IN A LOT. I DO HAVE AN INTEREST. WHEN I WATCH IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHERE THERE'S NO PARKING SPACES, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN EIGHT LINES APPEAR, AND WE CREATE EIGHT LINES IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT HASN'T GONE THROUGH THE HDC, OR IT HASN'T REALLY GONE THROUGH ANYBODY, BUT YET I'VE GOT TO WAIT THREE MONTHS TO JUST PUT A WINDOW IN A HISTORIC HOME. WE HAVE A CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE, SO I'M JUST UP HERE IN A VERY SOFT WAY, BE VERY CAREFUL HOW WE TALK ABOUT AND TOUCH OUR DOWNTOWN AREA BECAUSE IT JUST IS REALLY PRECIOUS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> CAN I RESPOND TO THAT? >> YOU MAY. >> FIRST OF ALL, WHEN PAID PARKING WAS DISCUSSED EARLY ON, WE WERE DISCUSSING IT AS A REVENUE SOURCE. [01:05:03] PAID PARKING IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE TITLE. IT'S REVENUE ENHANCEMENT TO THE CITY OF FERNANDINA. PAID PARKING HAPPENED TO COME UP WITH A SHORT STRAW. THAT'S THE ONLY PURPOSE ONE. WE BROUGHT IT UP. WAS THE FACT THAT WE WERE LOOKING AHEAD AT A $50 MILLION FUTURE CAPITAL INVESTMENT THAT WAS GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS IN THIS CITY. NOBODY CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION OR A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT SAID, HERE'S HOW WE GET HERE, AND WE'RE GOING TO POUR ENOUGH CONCRETE AROUND IT TO CAUSE IT NOT TO CHANGE. PAID PARKING BECAME THE SHORT STRAW BECAUSE IT WAS AVAILABLE WITH MINIMUM INVESTMENT ON THE PART OF THE CITY. IT WAS DOABLE WITHIN SIX MONTHS, AND IT GAVE US A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLAR OF REPEATABLE INCOME THAT WOULD GO TOWARD THAT $50 MILLION LONG-TERM STRATEGIC CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN THE CITY. I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE SAYING PAID PARKING. LET'S CALL IT A REVENUE ENHANCEMENT THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WOULD TURN DOWN ANY OTHER ENHANCEMENT, AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF NO MAJOR STRATEGIC CAPITAL INVESTMENT BY THE CITY, DOABLE WITHIN 6-12 MONTHS, AND HAS A COUPLE MILLION DOLLAR OF NET AVAILABLE REVENUE. WE'RE JUST WAITING ON SOMEBODY TO BRING THAT FORWARD. [OVERLAPPING] NO. I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS ON THIS BOARD. >> YOU SAID WE, BUT YOU'RE ON THIS BOARD NOW. YOU'RE PART OF WE. IT HAS NEVER BEEN ON THIS BOARD. >> [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T REMEMBER DOLLAR COMING UP. >> [OVERLAPPING] PARKING IS A REVENUE SOURCE ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO. >> I THINK HIS POINT IS WE SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A MISSION NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLAN. >> IT'S A REVENUE. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THIS BOARD? HEARING NONE. >> LET ME JUST ASK ONE THING. >> IF I WANT TO TALK TO SOMEONE IN PLANNING, AND NORMALLY I WOULD CALL KELLY UP, AND SHE'S NO LONGER HERE. WHO CAN I TALK TO YOU, MARGARET? OR WHO DO I CALL? BECAUSE USUALLY IF GET AN EMAIL FROM SOMEBODY. LET ME FINISH. I LIKE TO COPY OUR CHAIRMAN ON MY EMAIL AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO I NEED TO COPY HIM BECAUSE HE'S THE CHAIRMAN, BUT I ALSO LIKE TO COPY THEM, I HAD A PLANNING. IS THAT YOU NOW? >> YOU CAN SEND THAT TO ME. THEN [OVERLAPPING] STAFF IF WE NEED TO. >> I HAD TO FIND YOUR NAME SOMEWHERE. >> WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE SEND, I'LL SEND AN EMAIL TO YOU SO YOU HAVE IT. >> IF I WANT TO CALL YOU ON THE PHONE AND TALK TO YOU, WHAT'S YOUR PHONE NUMBER? [LAUGHTER]. >> [OVERLAPPING] YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM THE WRONG NUMBER. >> I DID. >> ARE YOU ON THE DIRECTORY OR? >> I AM. >> YOU ALL HAVE BEEN HERE SUCH SHORT TIMES, EMAIL. >> I KNOW THINGS ARE STILL ON THERE. THEY WERE ALREADY ON THE WEBSITE. >> YOU'VE ALL DISAPPEARED. >> WE HAVE APPEARED. >> MY EXTENSION IS 3105 FOR ANYBODY WHO MISSED IT. >> BUT THE WANDER POSTERS HAVEN'T EVEN GONE UP? >> I KNOW. [LAUGHTER]. >> THAT TAKES TIME. >> WELCOME, BY THE WAY, AND THANK YOU. >> ANYONE WITH THE COMMENTS? >> WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THE PREVIOUS DIRECTION I HAD WAS TO GET WITH THE CITY. >> NO. >> EVERYBODY'S SHAKING THE HEAD. YOU CAN CLOSE. >> [OVERLAPPING] BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT MEETING, I WILL GET TOGETHER WITH SOMEONE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S ON OUR NEXT AGENDA, WHAT WE ACTUALLY ARE NETWORKING. [OVERLAPPING] DISTRIBUTION. WITH THAT, I WILL DECLARE IT ADJOURNED. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.