[00:00:02] JULY 3RD, 2025 HEARING OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND APPEALS BOARD IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER. [1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF A QUORUM] BOARD SECRETARY, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MEMBER KRESSE. PRESENT. MEMBER THOMPSON. HERE. MEMBER POSTMA. HERE. MEMBER, FINKELSTEIN. HERE. VICE CHAIR FOTIADES. HERE. CHAIR STINES. HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THEN IF WE COULD HAVE AN INVOCATION FROM MEMBER THOMPSON AFTERWARDS. THANK YOU.LET US PRAY. OUR FATHER GOD, WE COME TODAY. LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR LIFE, HEALTH, AND STRENGTH. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR BLESSINGS. WE THANK YOU FOR MERCIES. NOW, LORD, WE INVOKE YOUR PRESENCE IN THIS MEETING OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND APPEALS BOARD. FATHER, WE ASK FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP, YOUR GUIDANCE THAT'S PLEASING IN OUR SIGHT. WE GIVE YOU THE PRAISES, THE HONOR AND THE GLORY. AND THE PEOPLE OF GOD SAID AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. IF EVERYONE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES OF THE LAST CODE BOARD HEARING, I THINK WAS ON MAY 5TH. [3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? WITH ONE ADDITION. OKAY. IN THE FIRST RULING, I THINK WE SPELLED THE BEGINNING WRONG. OKAY. SO DO YOU WANT ME TO FIX THAT MISTAKE AND THEN I'LL BRING IT BACK THE NEXT HEARING? YOU DO THAT, OR OH, COOL. OKAY. SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE ONE CORRECTION WHERE BEGINNING WILL BE SPELLED CORRECTLY. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? SO SECONDED. YOU DID. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OR NOT? YEAH. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AOKAY. OKAY. MEMBER POSTMA. YES. MEMBER KRESSE. YES. MEMBER THOMPSON. YES. MEMBER FINKELSTEIN. YES. VICE CHAIR FOTIADES. YES. CHAIR STINES. YES. THAT PASSED. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA AS IT'S PRESENTED? NO, SIR. OKAY. BOARD ATTORNEY. COULD YOU.[LAUGHTER] DO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT AT ALL? OR IS THAT A FORMALITY THAT WE NEED TO DO? IT'S NOT REQUIRED, IF ANY OF THE MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EX PARTE PROCEDURES. BUT I THINK YOU'VE HEARD ME OR MISS BOK SAY IT MANY TIMES. AND SO, I MEAN, I'M HERE TO HELP GUIDE THROUGH IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A REASON TO CITE IT TO AN EMPTY ROOM. AGREED. I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON. AND I [INAUDIBLE] I DID HAVE AN EX PARTE, I DROVE BY THE PROPERTY AT 218 SOUTH 11TH STREET. OKAY. AND WE WERE JUST GOING TO GET TO THE EX PARTE. OH, I'M SORRY.ANY OTHER EX PARTE COMMUNICATION REGARDING WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TONIGHT? OKAY. THERE'S NOBODY TO SWEAR IN. EXCEPT ME. WELL, EXCEPT FOR THE. [Additional Item] YES, I'M SORRY. I'M THE LONE WOLF. YOU'RE IT.[LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY AND OR EVIDENCE YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE AND OR PRESENT IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES IT IS. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH OLD BUSINESS DONA PERKINS. [4.1 DONNA K. PERKINS, 2673 GREGOR MCGREGOR BLVD., CASE 2024-0293] I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM HER. I CAN'T SAY THAT SHE'S DONE ANYTHING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. THE FENCE I MEAN, SHE'S ALREADY, THE FINES HAVE STARTED ON THAT PROPERTY, SO. THERE'S BEEN NO MOVEMENT. VICE CHAIR YOU LIVE IN THAT AREA, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANY? WE BOTH LIVE IN THAT AREA AND OCCASIONALLY THAT'S HOW WE'LL GET OUT TO A1A OR ATLANTIC. I DON'T STOP MY TRUCK AND LOOK BUT I WILL GLANCE AND THERE'S A PLASTIC FENCE UP AROUND THE POOL WHICH WAS DOWN, NOW IT'S UP AGAIN BUT NOTHING ELSE HAS BEEN DONE. THE EAVES, THE SOFFITS, THE GUTTERS, THERE'S BROKEN WINDOWS IS BOARDED UP. IT'S THERE'S PILES OF DEBRIS, IT'S A MESS. ESSENTIALLY NOTHING. NO. HAVE YOU BEEN BY? IT LOOKS THE SAME TO ME. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK SHE'S ACCRUING $50 A DAY. [00:05:01] I BELIEVE IT'S $50. YES. A DAY. SO THE OPTIONS FOR US THEN ARE, SHE'S NOW ACCRUING THIS FINE, NOT HERE. I GUESS WE COULD MOVE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING AND CONTINUE TO. WHY, THOUGH? WELL, WHAT. I KNOW. AND WHAT I RECALLED IS WE KIND OF TOOK A HYBRID APPROACH WITH THIS ONE TO GIVE HER MORE TIME WITH THE EXPECTATION. IT WAS VERY CLEARLY EXPLAINED TO HER WHAT THOSE EXPECTATIONS WERE FOR TODAY TO COME IN AND BRING PROOF, ANY CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANY, WITH HER ATTORNEY SHE CLAIMED TO HAVE HIRED TO REPRESENT HER CONTRACTORS, ANYTHING TO SHOW SOME SORT OF PROGRESS AND THE IDEA WAS TO SORT OF HOLD BACK, FORMALLY IMPOSING THAT FINE AND MAKING IT A FINAL ORDER TO GIVE HER MORE TIME. SO SHE'S NOT HERE. IT'S REALLY THE BOARD'S PLEASURE. ON WHETHER YOU WANT TO KIND OF FINALIZE IT LIKE YOU WOULD ANY OTHER CASE, AND JUST ALLOW THE FINES TO CONTINUE TO ACCRUE UNTIL THERE'S COMPLIANCE. YEAH, I THINK SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO APPEAR LAST MONTH ALSO, AND SHE DIDN'T SHOW. DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION OR THAT'S JUST EXIST AS IT IS. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK BACK AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE MOTION WAS. HERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. IS IT GEORGE, IS IT YOUR OPINION THAT THE CODE OR THE VIOLATION OF THE POOL, WHICH HAS HAD A PLASTIC FENCE AROUND IT, THEN IT WENT DOWN AND NOW IT'S BACK UP. DO YOU KNOW THE STATUS OF OF WHETHER THAT'S ACCEPTABLE RIGHT NOW? IT WAS JUST A TEMPORARY FIX. IT WASN'T MEANT TO BE SOME LONG TERM SITUATION, BUT I MEAN, OTHER THAN US I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT OR NOT, EVADING IT AND DOING SOMETHING. THE CITY DOING SOMETHING. I'M NOT SURE THEY'D EVEN WANT TO DO THAT, BUT MR. ATTORNEY, CAN THEY CHANGE THAT FINE AMOUNT? IT'S ALREADY BEEN IMPOSED. OKAY. SO I WOULD SAY THAT YOU COULD REDUCE IT, BUT I WOULDN'T, I'D BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT INCREASING IT. OKAY. IS IT $50 PER DAY OR. YES, SIR. $50 PER DAY. LET ME ASK YOU TOO GEORGE. IF A TODDLER RATHER BARRELED INTO THAT FENCE, WOULD IT KEEP HIM OUT OF THE. WELL, I THINK IT WOULD. HE'D GET IN. YOU THINK HE WOULD? I'M ASKING YOU. NO, I DON'T THINK HE WOULD. YOU DON'T THINK HE WOULD GET IN? AT LEAST THE THE TEMPORARY FIX IS GOOD FOR A TEMPORARY MEASURE. YEAH, BUT THAT'S ALL IT WAS MADE FOR, IT'S TEMPORARY. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT NEED AND SHE NEEDS TO ADDRESS IT. AGREED. AND PUT SOME TYPE OF PERMANENT FENCING AROUND THERE. I'M JUST THINKING FROM A HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDPOINT, IF WE GOT ALL SHE HAS TO DO IS FENCE AROUND THE POOL AND SHE'D BE GOOD TO GO. UNDERSTOOD. I MEAN, SHE COULD PUT CHAIN LINK FENCE UP AROUND IT IF SHE HAD TO. YOU KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE MUCH OF A DECISION HERE TO MAKE OTHER THAN FINALIZE WHAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. OKAY. SO IF THAT'S THE BOARD'S PLEASURE, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST A MOTION TO CONFIRM THE FINES OF ACCRUED, ASSESS THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, AND THEN ESSENTIALLY CLOSE IT OUT FOR THE BOARD'S PERSPECTIVE. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AFFIRM THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, THE FINES THAT HAVE BEEN ACCRUED, AND CLOSE IT OUT FROM THIS BOARD. I'LL SECOND THAT. AND THAT'S NOT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SIT ON IT JUST BECAUSE SHE'S ACCRUING FINES. I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO STILL TRY TO GET HER TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT FENCING. COULD YOU REPEAT THE MOTION BACK ONE MORE TIME? SO I MADE A MOTION TO AFFIRM THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS THAT HAVE BEEN ACCRUED. [00:10:06] THE FINES IS THEY HAVE BEEN ISSUED AND TO FORMALIZE THE ENFORCEMENT ORDER THAT HAS BEEN PUT FORTH TO THE BOARD. IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT I SUGGESTED IN THE MOTION THAT THAT FENCING IS ONLY GOING TO BE ALLOWED FOR 30 DAYS OR 60 DAYS OR WHATEVER. WE DIDN'T DO THAT, SO THAT'S PROBABLY MY FAULT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? YES. YES. UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO AMEND TO INCLUDE THAT TIMETABLE WITH THE TEMPORARY FENCING. IF WE JUST GOT A CONVOLUTED. YEAH. YEAH. NO, I MEAN THAT'S WAS A TEMPORARY KEEP THE CASE KIND OF MOVING ALONG TO BUY MORE TIME BECAUSE THAT WAS AN IMMEDIATE SAFETY ISSUE. SO AT THIS POINT IT'S IN VIOLATION, IMPOSE THE FINE AND THEN THE CITY CAN DECIDE STEPS TO TAKE AFTER THAT. YEAH. OKAY. MEMBER POSTMA. YES. VICE CHAIR FOTIADES. YES. MEMBER KRESSE. YES. MEMBER THOMPSON. YES. MEMBER FINKELSTEIN. YES. CHAIR STINES. YES. PASS. OKAY. THERE'S SOME NEW BUSINESS. JOSEPH AND KIMBERLY MOORE CASE 2025-0408. [5.1 JOSEPH & KIMBERLY MOORE, 218 SOUTH 11TH ST., CODE-2025-0408] ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, BOARD. GEORGE WELLS, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTS AND PICTURES AND EVIDENCE INTO RECORD. NO OBJECTION. NO OBJECTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, BUDDY. THIS I MEAN, HE'S THE FAMILY OR THE MAN, MR. MOORE. I COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I'VE WRITTEN HIM UP FOR BOATS IN THE FRONT YARD. JET SKIS IN THE FRONT YARD, UTILITY TRAILERS IN THE FRONT YARD, INOPERABLE MOTOR VEHICLES WITH AND WITHOUT TAGS. AND UP TO THIS POINT, HE WOULD ALWAYS BRING IN IT INTO COMPLIANCE. BUT THEN LIKE, RIGHT AFTER THE COMPLIANCE DATE WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK, IT'S LIKE A BOX OF CHOCOLATES, I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS JUST SHUFFLED AROUND. ANYWAY, WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION HE HAD A AMELIA ISLAND ADVENTURE RENTALS COMPANY THAT HE WAS RUNNING AND IT USED TO BE DOWN ON SADLER ROAD, BUT HE ACTUALLY HAD A LOCAL BUSINESS [INAUDIBLE] FOR. WELL, APPARENTLY IN 2021, HE TRIED TO MOVE THAT BUSINESS TO HIS HOME. AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE PACKET AND I CAN BRING UP ALL THE EVIDENCE IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT. BUT ANYWAY, HE CAME TO PLANNING AND SUBMITTED A APPLICATION FOR LBTR IN 2021. WELL, THEY DENIED HIM. AND BECAUSE OF ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND THE WAY HE WOULD OPERATE HIS BUSINESS. SO HE WAS DENIED AND ACTUALLY HIS LOCAL BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT WAS REVOKED. SO HE'S BEEN OPERATING SINCE 21 ILLEGALLY. SO WE RECEIVED A COMPLAINT ON THIS PROPERTY, AND I INSPECTED THE PROPERTY ON APRIL 9TH 2025. AND LIKE I SAID, WE DID SOME DIGGING AND FOUND OUT THAT THE LOCAL BUSINESS TAX WAS WAS ACTUALLY REVOKED. AND WE DID SOME MORE DIGGING AND ALL THAT. AND HIS I CAN SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES. BUT ANYWAY HE HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE STRUCTURE, HE HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE DUTY TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY. HE HAD OVERGROWTH, HE HAD VINES GROWING UP ON THE HOUSE. HE HAD MILDEW AND ALGAE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WHICH HE'S TAKING CARE OF ALL THAT. HE'S ACTUALLY CLEANED AND PAINTED THE NORTH SIDE. REALLY THE ISSUES WE'RE DEALING WITH TONIGHT IS THERE'S A BOAT STILL BEYOND THE FRONT LINE OF THE HOUSE, AND THERE'S ALSO A WHITE VAN PARKED IN THE REAR THAT HAS AN EXPIRED TAG ON IT. AND HE'S ALSO AS OF TODAY, AND I CAN SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF IT. HE STILL HAS A WEBSITE ON THE WEB ABOUT OPERATING HIS JET SKI AND SCOOTER RENTAL BUSINESS. [00:15:06] SO I'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE PICTURES AND KIND OF SHOW YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THESE THINGS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY IT ANYWAY. CAN I ASK MR. ATTORNEY A QUESTION? YES. WHERE DOES THAT VIOLATION FALL? I'M SORRY, WHAT IS THIS BUSINESS VIOLATION FALL? WELL, IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE CODE TO BE OPERATING A BUSINESS WITHOUT AN ACTIVE LOCAL BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT. IS THAT UNDER OUR PURVIEW OR. YES. YES, IT'S IN HERE, IT'S 74. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE VERBIAGE ON IT. SO CAN I MAKE THIS BIGGER? 74-63. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN READ THAT ADDRESS. I MEAN, THE DATE STAMP ON IT RIGHT HERE. BUT ANYWAY, THIS I SCREENSHOT THIS TODAY AND THIS IS TODAY'S DATE AND THIS IS HIS WEBSITE. ADVENTURE ISLAND AND ADVENTURE RENTALS, AS FAR AS FOR RENT A JET SKI, RENT A SCOOTER. SO LET ME GO BACK TO THIS. HERE. HAD TO GO BACK INTO IT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO, ANYWAY LET'S SEE WHERE TO START. HERE. THIS IS HIS SUN BIZ WHICH HE FILED IT APRIL 11TH, 2025 FOR THAT RESIDENCE AT 218 SOUTH 11TH STREET UNDER HIS WIFE'S NAME. AND HE'S ON THERE ALSO. SO THAT'S HE JUST FILED THAT IN APRIL FOR THAT BUSINESS OF AMELIA ISLAND AND ADVENTURE RENTALS. YES, I DID IT AGAIN, CRYSTAL. I WANT THAT COME BACK OUT. THERE IT WENT. OKAY, THIS IS THE APPLICATION THAT HE SUBMITTED IN 2021. AND BASICALLY IT SAYS THAT LET'S SEE WHERE IT SAYS HERE. I ACTUALLY HAD THE OTHER ONE HIGHLIGHTED. YEAH, THAT LOOKS LIKE THE EMAIL FROM DAPHNE FOREHAND. IT WAS AND IT WAS YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM OF IT IT WAS DENIED. THIS ONE DON'T SHOW THE DENIED, I DON'T KNOW WHY. LET ME GET TO ANOTHER ONE. OKAY. THIS ONE HERE. THIS IS UNDER THAT SUBSET. BUT IT SAYS THE FACT THAT ANY PERSON REPORTS THEMSELVES TO BE ENGAGED IN ANY PROFESSION OR OCCUPATION OR BUSINESS, THE TRANSACTION OF WHICH REQUIRES A LOCAL TRYING TO GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY. WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY. OKAY. REQUIRES A LOCAL BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT UNDER THIS ARTICLE, EITHER BY EXHIBITING A SIGN OR ADVERTISEMENT, BY ADVERTISING ANY NEWSPAPER OR ANY OTHER PUBLICATION OR PERIODICAL, BY THE DISTRIBUTION OF ANY ADVERTISING MATTER OR MATERIAL, OR IN ANY OTHER WAY INDICATING ENGAGEMENT IN THE BUSINESS, PROFESSION OR OCCUPATION, SHALL BE PRESUMPTIVE EVIDENCE OF THE LIABILITY OF THE PERSON TO PAY A LOCAL BUSINESS TAX UNDER THIS ARTICLE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER ANY BUSINESS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN TRANSACTED OR NOT. SO. THIS IS A PICTURE OF SOME SCOOTERS HERE. ONE HERE, ONE HERE. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THIS BOAT THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. OF COURSE, THIS DOESN'T FALL ON THE LOCAL BUSINESS TAX. HE JUST FALLS UNDER,[INAUDIBLE] EXCUSE ME. THE 7.01.05 D FOR THE TRAILER VIOLATION OR BOAT AND TRAILER VIOLATION. AND THIS IS THE JET SKIS PARKED BACK THERE IN THE BACK. [00:20:05] BUT YOU CAN SEE THIS WHOLE WALL RIGHT HERE WAS GREEN AS IT CAN BE. SO HE CLEANED IT AND PAINTED THIS ENTIRE SIDE. AND THERE WAS VINES GROWING ALL UP ON THE HOUSE HERE AND UP HERE. AND THERE WAS SOME ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO HE HAS DONE THAT. BUT AS FAR AS, LIKE I SAID, THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO AFTER TONIGHT IS HE'S PROVIDING A BUSINESS FROM THIS LOCATION, RENTING JET SKIS AND ALSO SCOOTERS. AND WE'RE ALSO GETTING HIM FOR THAT INOPERABLE VEHICLE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A TAG OR IT HAS AN EXPIRED TAG ON A WHITE GRAND CARAVAN VAN. AND LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE. SEE ALL THIS STUFF HERE? THIS WAS THE ACTUAL APPLICATION THAT HE DID IN 21. THIS IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR EARLIER WHERE HE SUBMITTED FOR THIS ADDRESS WHEN HE MOVED FROM THE SADLER ROAD LOCATION. AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE APPLICATION WAS DENIED BY PLANNING. DUE TO ZONING AND SOME OF YOU KNOW, YOU JUST CAN'T RUN A BUSINESS LIKE THAT OUT OF THIS RESIDENCE. I DON'T THINK I JUST ACTUALLY WANT OUT OF THAT. I APOLOGIZE. WHAT ELSE IS THERE? I THINK I'M MORE OR LESS KIND OF ACROSS THIS. AND I THINK THE ATTORNEY ALSO MENTIONED THIS TOO. BUT ANYWAY, LET ME GO BACK TO THE STAFF REPORT. SO APRIL 9TH, 2025 I INSPECTED THIS PROPERTY FINDING MULTIPLE CODE VIOLATIONS 42-116 DUTY TO MAINTAIN PROPERTY. AND THE CORRECTIVE ACTION WAS TO REMOVE THE VINES GROWING UP ON THE HOUSE AND REMOVE THE ALGAE ON THE EXTERIOR SIDING. 42-173 WRECKED OR INOPERABLE MOTOR VEHICLES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. ALL VEHICLES MUST BE OPERABLE WITH CURRENT TAGS AND REGISTRATION. 74-66 LOCAL BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT IS REQUIRED. MR. MOORE IS OPERATING A BUSINESS AMELIA ISLAND, ADVENTURE RENTALS LLC, FROM THIS LOCATION WHERE THEY REVOKED THE LBTR. 7.01.05D RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, BOATS, TRAILERS OR SIMILAR VEHICLES. OPERATION WAS REMOVED OR RELOCATE ALL THESE VEHICLES IN A SIDE OR REAR YARD BEHIND THE FRONT LINE OF THE HOUSE, OR IN AN ENCLOSED STRUCTURE. AND THEN I MENTIONED I OPEN THE CODE CASE AND RECORDED THE PHOTOS. OUR OFFICE MAILED A CERTIFIED LETTER TO THE RESPONDENT GIVING HIM TEN DAYS TO CORRECT THE VIOLATIONS. APRIL 24TH I PERFORMED AN NVOH INSPECTION INSPECTION PROPERTY WAS STILL IN VIOLATION. MAY 15TH THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE RETURNED THE LETTER UNCLAIMED BY THE RESPONDENT. MAY 29TH. WE'VE MAILED ANOTHER SECOND CERTIFIED LETTER GIVING HIM 14 DAYS. JUNE 16TH, I PERFORMED THE SECOND NOVH INSPECTION PROPERTY STILL IN VIOLATION. JUNE 23RD, WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED THE GREEN RETURN RECEIPT CARD SIGNED BY MR. MOORE, GIVING HIS PROPER SERVICE. JUNE 26TH I PERFORMED A PRE AGENDA INSPECTIONS. PROPERTY STILL IN VIOLATION. CONCLUSION IS ALL THE VIOLATIONS WRITTEN UP AT THIS TIME, WE'RE STILL PRESENT. THE OWNER, MR. MOORE, WENT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO APPLY FOR LOCAL BTR. THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT EXPLAINED TO MR. MOORE THAT THE LBTR WAS REVOKED IN 2021 DUE TO LDC REQUIREMENTS BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WHICH ARE STILL IN EFFECT TODAY. RECOMMENDATION, TO CITY RECOMMENDS A MOTION TO BE MADE THAT THE AND WE'LL WE'LL DROP SOME. WELL WE CAN DROP. WELL NO WE REALLY CAN'T. WELL WE CAN WE CAN DROP THE 42-116. THE CITY RECOMMENDS A MOTION TO BE MADE TO FIND THE RESPONDENT IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE AND ORDINANCE SECTION. WE'LL GO DIRECTLY TO 42-173 WITH THAT ONE INOPERABLE VEHICLE AND 74-66 THE NEED REQUIREMENT OF THE LOCAL BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 701.05 D GIVING THE RESPONDENT 14 MORE DAYS TO CORRECT AND GAIN COMPLIANCE OF ALL VIOLATIONS, INCLUDING TAKING THE WEBSITE DOWN THAT IS CURRENTLY ADVERTISING SCOOTER AND JET SKI RENTALS ONLINE BY JULY 17TH, 2025. THE CITY RECOMMENDS THE MOTION TO BE MADE THAT ALL ADMIN FEES BE PAID BY THE RESPONDENT AND A FINE OF $25 PER DAY PER VIOLATION TO BEGIN ON [00:25:02] JULY 18TH, IF NOT IN COMPLIANCE BY JULY 17TH. NOW, IF THE RESPONDENT WAS TO SAY, OKAY, THESE ARE MY PERSONAL JET SKIS, AND IF THEY WERE HIS PERSONAL JET SKIS, THEY WOULD BE OKAY WHERE THEY'RE AT. AND EVEN THE OF COURSE THE TRAILER AND INOPERABLE VEHICLES, DIFFERENT THING. BUT WITH ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE, YOU CAN SEE THAT HE IS ACTUALLY RUNNING A BUSINESS FROM THIS LOCATION AND HE DOESN'T HAVE A CURRENT LBTR. THE WAY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ADDRESSES IT, HE CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING RELATING TO THAT BUSINESS, THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC STREET. AND THAT INCLUDES JET SKIS AND THE SCOOTERS. THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ENCLOSED AND OF COURSE, EVEN IF HE PUT IT IN A STRUCTURE, THE ZONING REALLY WOULDN'T COVER THIS PART OF IT. SO LIKE I SAID, BUILDING. HE TURNED IN AN APPLICATION RECENTLY, AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DID NOT TAKE THE APPLICATION BECAUSE THEY TOLD HIM AGAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE REASON HE GOT REVOKED IN THE FIRST PLACE IS THE SAME REASON THAT THEY WILL NOT TAKE THE APPLICATION NOW. SO HE'S NOT GOING TO GET.FOR EACH VIOLATION. $50 A DAY. OKAY. 50 OR 75. WELL, THERE'S THERE'S REALLY 3. YOU GOT THE INOPERABLE OPERABLE VEHICLE. YOU GOT THE LOCAL BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BOAT TRAILER ON THE FRONT OF YARD. THE ONLY THING HE'S REALLY CORRECTED IS THE DUTY TO MAINTAIN PROPERTY. HE HAS REMOVED ALL THE VEGETATION AND, YOU KNOW, PAINT OR REMOVED ALL THAT ALGAE AND PAINTED THE STRUCTURE. HE ALSO WHICH DOESN'T REALLY RELATE TO THIS, BUT IT WAS PART OF THIS CASE. HE ERECTED A NEW PORCH WITHOUT A PERMIT, AND THE BUILDING OFFICIAL WENT BY AND PUT A STOP WORKER WARRANT, BUT HE HAS GOT A PERMIT FOR THAT AND IT'S BEEN INSPECTED, SO. SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO SEE AS FAR AS EVIDENCE, AS FAR AS HIM RUNNING THAT BUSINESS, I PROBABLY CAN FIND THAT FOR YOU. BUT IF NOT THE CITY. OFFICER WELLS, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ON THAT YOU'VE HAD MORE THAN ONE ENCOUNTER WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL IN THE PAST. WE ALLOWED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. OR IS THAT SPOILED BREAD? NO. YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THIS CASE ON THE MERITS HERE. OKAY. AS FAR AS A PENALTY BE IMPOSED, I MEAN, YOU COULD CONSIDER EVIDENCE OF THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE VIOLATOR, BUT THE GREATEST WEIGHT NEEDS TO BE GIVEN TO WHAT THIS CASE IS ABOUT. THANK YOU. SO REALLY, THE ONLY EVIDENCE YOU HAVE OF HIM OPERATING A BUSINESS IS THE FACT THAT HE HAS A WEBSITE. IS THAT RIGHT? HE DOES HAVE A WEBSITE. HE ALSO HIS SON IS YOU KNOW, HE RENEWED HIS LICENSE WITH THE STATE, WHICH IS CURRENT. AND THE ADDRESS ON THAT SUN BIZ IS ON THE 218 SOUTH 11TH STREET. OKAY. BECAUSE IF HE TOOK THE WEBSITE DOWN. WELL, THAT'S PART OF THE MOTION NEEDS TO CEASE OPERATIONS, BUSINESS OPERATIONS FROM THAT LOCATION BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ISSUE THEM AN LBTR FOR THAT LOCATION. THEN YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE JET SKIS. SO IF HE STOPS, I MEAN, IF HE TAKES THE WEBSITE DOWN, LIKE SAY HE TAKES THE WEBSITE DOWN, CLAIMS THAT THE JET SKIS ARE HIS, THE JET SKIS ARE THEN OKAY WHERE THEY ARE. YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH. IT'S MORE ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE FRONT. WELL, YES. I MEAN, UNLESS HE CONTINUES TO OPERATE A BUSINESS THEN IT'S A PROBLEM. YEAH, BUT IF IT WAS HIS WELL, ALL I'M SURE HE OWNS ALL THE STUFF, BUT WITH HIM OPERATING THAT BUSINESS, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU DEFINITELY CAN'T. ANYTHING LIKE THAT CAN'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, OKAY? WHEN YOU CAN'T OPERATE THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS YEAH. NO. ARE WE MAKING MULTIPLE MOTIONS OR ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL MOTION? ONE BIG, BEAUTIFUL BILL? YES. [LAUGHTER] YOU SEE? YEAH, THAT'S BEEN GOING. [LAUGHTER] YEAH, THEY PASSED IT. ALL RIGHT. AND WHAT'S THE ADMIN FEES? THE ADMIN FEES ARE $328.81. AND WE'RE ASKING $25 PER DAY TO BEGIN. PER VIOLATION. PER VIOLATION IF NOT IN COMPLIANCE BY JULY 17TH OR THE 3 VIOLATIONS. IS IT 3 OR 2? IT'S 42 173 FOR THE INOPERABLE VEHICLE. IT'S. THE. OH OKAY. 40. THE 74 66 LOCAL TAX RECEIPT. THAT'S 70105. [00:30:11] AND THE BOAT, ALL HE HAS TO DO IS MOVE THAT BACK. I MEAN, HE'S GOT PLENTY OF ROOM TO MOVE IT. SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BRING UP OTHER THINGS .NOPE. SO WE WANT HIM TO GO THERE. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF VANS THERE AND THERE'S A REASON WHY THERE'S A LOT OF VANS THERE BUT ANYWAY. OKAY, WE WON'T GO MOTION WOULD BE TO FIND THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION BASED ON THE EVIDENCE AT THE HEARING AND THE VIOLATION OF THOSE THREE CODE PROVISIONS. 173. I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. 74 6671. SO 42, 173 7466 AND LDC 7105D THE MOTION IS TO FIND IT IN VIOLATION OF THOSE SECTIONS TO GIVE A 14 DAY COMPLIANCE DATE WITH A $25 DAILY FINED PER EACH OF THE VIOLATIONS. IT'S STILL IN PLACE BEGINNING ON JULY 18TH. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THE REQUEST IS FROM THE CITY, RIGHT? DO WE THINK THAT'S INSUFFICIENT? I WOULD LOOK AT FINES HIGHER THAN $25 A DAY. I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS DOWN THERE? OUR OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE AUGUST 1ST. FOURTH, SEVENTH. THOUGHT IT WAS THE SEVENTH, [INAUDIBLE] IT MAY BE THE SEVENTH. SO THAT'S NOT THE FIRST NO WAIT. SORRY, THAT'S A FRIDAY. SEVENTH, YES. THE 7. I MEAN, I JUST THINK WITH THE HOLIDAY MAKE IT EASIER FOR OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS, SOMETHING. SINCE THIS ISN'T PUBLIC SAFETY SOMETHING BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE STAFF HERE WORK LONGER DAYS, BUT NOT EVERY DAY. SO THE 14 DAY, IS KIND OF FOR NOT.I THINK $25 A DAY PER IS. OKAY. YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THE $25 A DAY SINCE IT'S ON ALL THREE PLUS THE ADMINISTRATION FEES, SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT. WE'LL SEE IF HE ADDRESSES EVERYTHING. READ TO MAKE A MOTION. OH. CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE HIT IT? SURE. IF THERE'S NO PROGRESS BY OUR NEXT MEETING, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO INCREASE THE FINES? TO INCREASE THE ENCOURAGEMENT? I MEAN NOT ON THE SAME FACTS. OKAY, SO YOU'RE IMPOSING THE FINE NOW AND USING THAT AS THE INCENTIVE TO GET IT DONE IN THE 14 DAYS. GOTCHA, OKAY. DID YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION. SO FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE LONGER THAN THE 14 DAYS, WHAT WOULD BE A SUGGESTED TIME FRAME PRIOR TO OUR MEETING ON AUGUST 7TH THAT WORKS WITH YOUR SCHEDULE TO CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN COMPLIANCE. I CAN GO WHATEVER THE BOARD PLEASES BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE LEEWAY THAN I DO. SO WHAT IF WE JUST SAID AUGUST 6TH? I MEAN THIS ISN'T THE. THAT'S. THE NOTHING'S GOING TO GET MAILED UNTIL NEXT WEEK WITH THE HOLIDAY. THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S FINE. IT'S WHAT THE BOARD'S PLEASURE IS. LONGER THAN. 34 DAYS. HE REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A LOT TO DO. I MEAN, JUST LITERALLY BACK THE BOAT UP. GET A TAG FOR THAT ONE VEHICLE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A CURRENT TAG ON IT, AND TAKE HIS WEBSITE DOWN AND THEN ACTUALLY STOP BUSINESS FROM THAT LOCATION. I THINK IF HE WANTED TO DO THAT, HE WOULD HAVE DONE IT. ALL RIGHT, I AGREE WITH NICOLE. LET'S STICK TO THE FACTS, THE NUMBERS, AND JUST MOVE THE DATE BACK. OKAY. SO THEN I MAKE A MOTION TO FIND THIS PROPERTY IN VIOLATION OF [00:35:09] 42-173 74-66 AND LDC 70-105D AND ASSESS ADMINISTRATIVE FINES AND GIVE THE RESPONDENT UNTIL AUGUST 6TH TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THREE OF THE VIOLATIONS. AND WE'RE SAYING THE FINES WILL START ON AUGUST 6TH, IF NOT IN COMPLIANCE, $25. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL RIGHT. FIND THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION OF 42-173, 7466 AND LDC 7.0105D TO ASSESS ADMINISTRATIVE FEES AND IF NOT IN COMPLIANCE BY AUGUST 6TH, 2025, TO ASSESS FINES OF $25 PER DAY PER VIOLATION BEGINNING ON AUGUST 7TH, 2025, UNTIL COMPLIANCE IS ACHIEVED. CORRECT. THANK YOU. MEMBER, POSTMA. YES. VICE CHAIR, FOTIADES. YES. MEMBER, KRESSE. YES. MEMBER, THOMPSON. YES. MEMBER, FINKELSTEIN. YUP. CHAIR, STINES. YES. THAT PASSES. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIED. I THINK THAT'S ALL THE CASES. IS THERE ANY OTHER BOARD BUSINESS? [6. BOARD BUSINESS] WELL, THIS WILL BE MY LAST CODE ENFORCEMENT MEETING AS THE INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND KEEP ON DOING THE GOOD WORK. AND MISS PRINCE WILL TAKE GOOD CARE OF YOU. SO BESIDES THAT , HAVE A GREAT 4TH OF JULY. YOU ALSO. OH, WELL. THANK YOU. CAN WE PUT IT ON AS BOARD BUSINESS FOR OUR NEXT MEETING THEN TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT FROM MR LAURIE BEFORE, WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE ANY ACTION ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR RELEVANT TOPICS THAT ARE REPEATING HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN ACTUALLY REALLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE'RE SEEING, WHERE NUANCES ARE COMING INTO PLAY. I THINK HIS COMMENT WAS NOT UNMERITED AND NOT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, VALUE. TO REPORT OUT TO THE CITY COMMISSION OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A REEVALUATION OF CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE CODE, BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT IT REALLY. SO IF YOU WANT TO. IF THERE IS A CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD FOR PROVIDING SOME NOTES OR FEEDBACK TO THE COMMISSION, THAT WOULD BE OKAY. YOU ALSO, ANY ONE OF YOU IS CITIZENS ARE FREE TO ALSO CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES, YOUR COMMISSIONERS AND MAYOR. SO WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH A CONSENSUS SORT OF UNITED FRONT FROM THE BOARD, IF ALL OF THE MEMBERS SHARE IN THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. IN SOME CASES, I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE EVEN HAD BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE GONE TO COMMISSIONS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, TO RAISE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS IN A PUBLIC MEETING, JUST TO GIVE THEM THAT FEEDBACK AS WELL. AND SO I THINK ANY OF THAT IS IS FAIR GAME. MAY I ASK FOR THE CONTEXT OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ALSO. SO MR. LAURIE FROM 7TH STREET. OH YEAH. WHO WAS. MY NEIGHBOR, YEP. RENOVATING HIS HOUSE FOREVER IN 3 DAYS, RIGHT WAS IN COMPLIANCE [LAUGHTER] BUT THERE WERE OTHER ASPECTS THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED AROUND THE HOUSE AND IT A SLOW WALK. I UNDERSTAND HIM WANTING TO DO IT RIGHT, BUT THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT CERTAIN NUANCES OF THE WAY THAT THE CODE IS AND HIS PERCEPTION OF A LACK OF LENIENCY ON ADDRESSING THAT. AND WE KEPT ALSO HAVING HIM COME IN WITH UPDATES. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN NUANCES OF OTHER CASES THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US OF POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS, BECAUSE ONCE IT LEAVES US, IT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT GOES TO THE CITY COMMISSION IF THERE'S EVER A KIND OF ANYONE CONTESTING TO THIS OR. I HAVE A CLEAR CONSCIENCE THAT WE'RE DOING THE BEST FOR EVERYBODY, SO THAT DOESN'T BOTHER ME, [00:40:03] YOU KNOW? BUT I ALSO SAY NICOLE LIKE I FOUND, WE HAVE GAPS IN OUR CODE, YOU KNOW. THAT COME UP IN VARIOUS ASPECTS THAT YOU KNOW, AND I THANK REVEREND THOMPSON FOR POINTING OUT, LIKE THE LACK OF ABILITY IN YOUR STANDPOINT, FOR A FLEXIBILITY OR ALSO TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION YOU KNOW, SOME NEIGHBOR INPUT AND SUCH BECAUSE IT'S IT'S FRUSTRATING TO ME THAT THE CODE WASN'T WRITTEN WITH THE MINDSET THAT YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AROUND ALL THE CORNERS. SO, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING SAYS, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL BRING UP THE CASE WHERE WE HAD THE BED AND BREAKFAST AND THERE WAS ALL THIS CONTENTION AROUND WHETHER OR NOT THIS PARTICULAR LADY WAS LIVING THERE ENOUGH TO BE CONSIDERED A RESIDENCE, BUT SHE WAS ABLE TO PRODUCE ALL THE DOCUMENTATION. AND UNLESS WE TIGHTEN THE CODE TO MAKE THOSE SORT OF THINGS AS BLACK AND WHITE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. BUT, YOU KNOW, I WAS TOLD BY, YOU KNOW YOUR PREDECESSOR, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO CHANGE THE CODE. AND I WOULD LOVE IT IF WE COULD GET THE COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE FIND SOMETHING THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A LOOPHOLE AND WE IDENTIFY THAT WITHIN OURSELVES HERE, THERE SHOULD BE A MORE STREAMLINED OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CHANGE THAT CODE, WHETHER IT GOES OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC FORM AND A VOTE AT THE NEXT REFERENDUM. BUT WE SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE REVIEWING THESE CASES. WE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE JUST NOT NOT REGULATION. AND IF WE COULD STOP THE TRAIN AND IDENTIFY WHERE IT IS AND GIVE THAT PERSON AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK BEFORE US, WHEN WE CAN CORRECT WHAT WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE FOUND OUT IS NOT THE WAY THAT THE CODE WAS WRITTEN WITH ITS INTENT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL WAY FOR US TO IMPROVE THIS, THIS PROCESS. I KNOW THAT FOR MYSELF, I THINK THIS IS ALL GOOD FEEDBACK. THE ONE THAT I THINK ABOUT IS A HOUSE THAT MOST OF US WOULDN'T WANT TO WALK INTO FOR FEAR THAT IT WOULD FALL DOWN. AND YET WE'RE TOLD THAT THAT LANDS ON OUR PLATE AND NOT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING. AND I THINK THAT'S THE TYPE OF DISCUSSION THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO AND PERHAPS WE CAN, WHERE I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE BUILDING INSPECTOR JUST ADDRESS US TO SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S NOT THEIR PROBLEM. AND IN FACT, WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY'VE PUT IT INTO A MAGIC RABBIT HOLE WHERE NOTHING CAN BE DONE, WHERE NOTHING CAN BE DONE. THE BOARD HAS NO POWER. WE CAN FINE THEM $25 A DAY. THE HOUSE CAN FALL DOWN, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT. AND YET THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM. SO I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE TOO. SO THINGS LIKE THAT, I WOULD LOVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD. COUNCILMAN. WHERE DOES THE CODE ENFORCEMENT APPEAL BOARD STAND IN THE HOUSE? FOR ME TO BE STRUCK. AND THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING QUESTION, BECAUSE IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHICH ISSUE AND HOW A CASE IS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU, BECAUSE THERE CAN BE AND SOMETHING THAT DOING A LITTLE BIT OF A DEEPER DIVE OVER THE LAST SIX AND A HALF MONTHS, SEEING THAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES, WE ALMOST HAD TO BRING A DANGEROUS DOG CASE BEFORE YOU. BECAUSE WHEN THAT DETERMINATION IS MADE BY ANIMAL CONTROL, THERE HAS TO BE A PROCESS FOR AN APPEAL AND FOR DUE PROCESS. AND MS. FORSTER AND I KIND OF WENT BACK AND FORTH ON WHAT THE APPROPRIATE BOARD, AND IT MADE THE MOST SENSE TO BE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND APPEALS BOARD. SO THERE ARE SOME CASES THAT YOU HERE THAT WOULD BE THE FINAL STOP, YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO CIRCUIT COURT. THERE'S OTHER TYPES OF CASES. FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE MORE TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, FINE IS IMPOSED. AND THEN IT'S REALLY THE DECISION WITH THE COMMISSION THAT FINE AND THAT LIEN BECOMES AN ASSET OF THE CITY. AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO PUSH IT TO A FORECLOSURE. YOU KNOW, CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS ON RELEASING IT, SO THERE ISN'T A CLEAR NECESSARILY HIERARCHY. NOW, YOU DO ALL SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION, YOU'VE BEEN APPOINTED BY THE COMMISSION. SO IF YOU DID HAVE ANY BOSSES, THAT WOULD BE IT. BUT THERE ISN'T A CLEAR SORT OF STEPPED REVIEW PROCESS FOR EVERY CASE THAT WOULD GO TO THE COMMISSION. SO THE BOARD ITSELF SORT OF STANDS ON ITS OWN AND IN MANY REGARDS FOR THAT. [00:45:01] SO IT'S. THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING QUESTION TO ASK THAT DOESN'T HAVE A VERY CLEAR ANSWER. WHICH ARE THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS LAWYERS LOVE. [LAUGHTER] THE HOURS TICK, RIGHT. [LAUGHTER] YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND ALSO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD OR WOULD NOT WANT TO GET INTO, BUT I HAVE SEEN OVER THE YEARS, THERE SEEMS TO BE A MISUNDERSTANDING BY THE PUBLIC OF WHAT THE BOARD DOES, AND SO DO WE WANT TO ADAPT SOME OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE WE DON'T ACTUALLY RULE ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR ANY OTHER CODE, LIKE WE HEAR THE CASES THAT COME BEFORE US OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE IN VIOLATION, AND TRY TO WORK WITH BOTH THE CITY AND THE RESPONDENTS TO GET COMPLIANCE, RIGHT. SO THERE'S. AND YOU DON'T INITIATE CASES. YOU DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO BRING ANY CASES, YOU DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THE CODE. SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE VERY FRUSTRATING TO A LAYPERSON THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND COMES IN WITH MISCONCEPTIONS ON REALLY WHAT AND DOESN'T CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THE BOARD'S ROLE. BUT YEAH, MAYBE SOME OF THAT'S EDUCATION, MAYBE SOME OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE BEFORE THEY COME IN HERE ARE GOING TO RESEARCH THE THE BOARD ON THE WEBSITE OR ANYWHERE ELSE TO KNOW THAT, SO THAT'S A DIFFICULT ASK ON HOW TO ADDRESS THAT. AND PERHAPS IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO COULD LOOK AT SOME SORT OF EXPLANATION, YOU KNOW, A STATEMENT TO BE READ AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH CODE ENFORCEMENT MEETING THAT COULD SORT OF GO OVER SOME OF THOSE AND EXPLAIN THAT, AND MAYBE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A VERY LENGTHY STATEMENT, BUT SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT COULD BE READ, THE KIND OF THE ONES WE'VE HAD SOME SERIAL OFFENDERS THAT ARE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT GOES ON HERE, BUT MOST OF THEM, IT'S THE FIRST TIME, SO THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. SO MAYBE WE JUST ADD IT TO THE AGENDA NEXT MEETING AND TALK THROUGH WHAT IF ANYTHING WE DO FEEL IS RELEVANT OR NOT, OR IF WELL ENOUGH IS WELL ENOUGH OR. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE. AFTER REVEREND THOMPSON GIVES HIS BLESSING TO SAY, THIS IS THE CONFINES OF OUR RULINGS HERE. YEAH. WELL, I KNOW ONE THING WE WORKED ON WITH ADAM WAY BACK, BUT THIS WAS IN THE PEAK OF COVID AND EVERYONE WAS SHUT DOWN AND THEY WEREN'T REALLY DOING THINGS, WAS WE WERE TRYING TO GET TOGETHER A RESOURCE DATABASE OF POTENTIAL YOU KNOW, ASSISTANCE OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS CITY AND THE COUNTY AND THE REGION. AND OF COURSE, WITH COVID, NO ONE WAS DOING THE NORMAL. AND THEN WE JUST NEVER PICKED IT BACK UP. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE CERTAIN OTHER THINGS BECAUSE AGAIN. RIGHT, LIKE, WE ARE HERE IN SERVICE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE NOT MORE THAN ANYTHING, ANY KIND OF SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS, BUT ALSO BEAUTIFICATION AND EFFICIENCY OF OUR CITY. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ANY COMMENTS? WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO SEND ME YOUR THOUGHTS? AND I CAN MAYBE COMPILE SOME STUFF TOGETHER TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR Y'ALL FOR SURE BEFORE THE NEXT. DEFINITELY SHOOT YOU AN EMAIL. OKAY. OKAY. MOTION TO MOVE ON. ADJOURNMENT. MOTION TO ADJOURN. A SECOND. SECOND. AYE [LAUGHTER] ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.