[1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:23] >>> AND NOW STAND FOR OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER [4.1 OASIS MARINA LLC - MARINA MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT] GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> YOU MAY BE SEATED. ALL RIGHT. FOLKS, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON DISCUSSION FOR THIS EVENING'S WORKSHOP. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OASIS CONTRACT RENEWAL. LATER WE'LL DIVE INTO BRETT'S CAFE PLANS NOW THAT WE'VE HAD THE TOWN HALL TO DISCUSS THE COMMUNITY INTEREST AND WHAT THE POTENTIAL PLAN CONSIDERATIONS WOULD BE. WE'RE GOING TO GET COMMISSION DISCUSSION BASED ON THAT AND HOPEFULLY GIVE STAFF SOME DIRECTION MOVING FORWARD. I BELIEVE WE'LL HAVE MS. CAMPBELL AND MR. GLISTEN TAKING US AWAY. >> HERE TO DISCUSS THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT AND THE BRETT'S WATERWAY CAFE. FIRST ON AGENDA IS THE OASIS MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT. AS YOU MENTIONED, WE ARE COMING TO THE END OF THAT FIVE- YEAR AGREEMENT. THIS IS APPROVED BY RESOLUTION 2020-165. IT'S A 5- YEAR CONTRACT. THAT PUTS THAT CONTRACT NEARING COMPLETION BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. A TERM WITHIN THAT AGREEMENT STATES THAT IF WE DO NOT PROVIDE NOTICE THAT WE DO NOT INTEND TO MOVE FORWARD, AT LEAST 120 DAYS NOTICE, THEN THIS CONTRACT WILL ROLL FORWARD YEAR TO YEAR ON AN ANNUAL BASIS UNTIL EITHER PARTY PROVIDES NOTICE OF ITS INTENT TO NO LONGER CONTINUE. WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS IN FRONT OF US. WE HAVE, DO NOTHING, WHICH WOULD DEFAULT TO THE LANGUAGE WITHIN THE CONTRACT, WHICH IS IT WOULD AUTO- RENEW FOR ONE YEAR. THIS IS ENDORSED BY OASIS MARINA MANAGEMENT. -- CONTINUE MANAGING THIS MARINA. IT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM, TO THEIR NETWORK OF MARINAS, AND THEY RENEWED THEIR COMMITMENT AND WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON MANAGING THE MARINA. THE NEXT WOULD BE TO BRING MANAGEMENT IN HOUSE. THAT WOULD REQUIRE RIGHT WHERE WE'RE AT NOW PROVIDING A NOTICE OF SEVERANCE TO OASIS. ONCE AGAIN, THE AGREEMENT EXPIRES AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, SO WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE THAT NOTICE HERE WITHIN THE NEXT FEW YEARS TO LET THEM KNOW OUR INTENT NOT TO DO THAT. WE RAN THIS THROUGH WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD, AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS UNANIMOUS SUPPORT AS OF LAST NIGHT TO BRING THE MANAGEMENT OF THE MARINA IN HOUSE. BECAUSE OF SOME TERMS WITHIN THE AGREEMENT, THERE WOULD BE A COST TO THE CITY IN THAT FIRST YEAR TO BRING THE MARINA BACK IN HOUSE. WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THE RETENTION OF SOME EMPLOYEES, SOME MANAGEMENT TEAM WITH OASIS. BUT SUBSEQUENT YEARS, THERE WOULD BE SOME SAVINGS, MINOR, BUT SOME SAVINGS. THIRD OPTION IS TO ISSUE AN RPF FOR MARINA MANAGEMENT SERVICES. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A CHALLENGING THING TO DO, PROBABLY THE LEAST FAVORABLE, CONSIDERING THE REDEVELOPMENT OF BRETT'S. NOT REALLY THE TIME AND PLACE TO GO OUT LOOKING FOR A NEW MANAGEMENT COMPANY KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RIPPING APART PORTIONS OF THE BRETT STRUCTURE THERE, WHICH IS THE HEART OF OUR MARINA OPERATIONS. STAFF IS LOOKING FOR DIRECTIONS FOR A PATH FORWARD. THESE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS IN FRONT OF US. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MAYOR, FOR THE FIRST ONE FOR DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION. AND WE'RE HERE TO RESPOND AS NEEDED. >> THANK YOU, MR. GLISTEN. AND I'LL TAKE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR MR. GLISTEN OR FOR STAFF. COMMISSIONER POYNTER AND COMMISSIONER MINSHEW. >> THANK YOU. YOU SAID AFTER THE FIRST YEAR IT WOULD COST THE CITY MORE DOLLARS. AFTER THAT, THERE WOULD BE SAVINGS. WHAT KIND OF SAVINGS ARE WE LOOKING AT? >> BASED ON THE CURRENT ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE, SAVINGS ABOUT $20,000. BUT ASSUMED BY THE CITY, PERHAPS MAKE ADJUSTMENTS -- EVENTUALLY INCREASE OR DECREASE. OASIS DOES A LOT. WE USE A LOT OF THEIR SOFTWARE AND MANAGEMENT TOOLS. THERE WOULD BE UNDISCOVERABLES THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO ABSORB. WE HAVE FINANCE, LEGAL, THAT KIND OF THING. SO, THERE'S SOME SUPPORT THERE. BUT AS OF NOW, THAT FIRST YEAR, BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO PAY CLOSE TO $45,000 TO RETAIN A MANAGEMENT TEAM, THERE WOULD BE NO SAVINGS IN THE FIRST YEAR. [00:05:03] >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. AND COMMISSIONER MINSHEW, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> SO, WHAT WOULD BE THE SAVINGS IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS? >> AS I SAID, AS OF NOW, THE CURRENT ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE, LOOKING ABOUT $20,000. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO SIT DOWN, DO A THOROUGH REVIEW WITH THE STAFF THAT WE RETAINED AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE. WHERE THE BULK OF THE EXPENSE COMES FROM IS OF THE 12 EMPLOYEES, NINE ARE FULL-TIME. WHEN YOU BRING THOSE FULL- TIME EMPLOYEES ON BOARD TO THE CITY, THE LOADED BENEFITS IS WHAT ERODES THE PERCEIVED SAVINGS. WITH OASIS, WE'RE PAYING A MANAGEMENT FEE, 1% ON TOP OF GROSS REVENUE, AND OTHER COSTS BUILD INTO THE CONTRACT. SO, THOSE SAVINGS ARE ERODED THROUGH THAT FULL- TIME -- THAT LOADED FULL- TIME EMPLOYEE BENEFIT THAT WOULD COST THE CITY. >> IS ANYBODY FROM OASIS HERE TONIGHT? >> WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM OASIS MARINAS WITH US TONIGHT. THIS IS ANN, AND THIS IS KATHY. >> SO, I -- IS IT ALL RIGHT IF I ASK THOSE -- I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE OASIS FOLKS. >> EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, KATHY CHAPMAN. >> GOOD EVENING. SUZANNE -- REGIONAL MANAGER. >> THE FIRST QUESTION IS DO WE HAVE A CLEAR LIST OR VIEW OF ALL THE SYSTEMS AND TAPLY CATIONS FOR THE APPS OR WHATEVER, SOFTWARE, OF OASIS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY USING? AND HOW WOULD WE REPLACE THOSE? >> WE CAN GET A LIST OF ALL THE APPS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY USING. OUR MAIN APP THAT WE USE FOR BOOKING IN- HOUSE IS MARINA GO. THAT'S AN APP THAT WE USE DAILY. >> IS THAT AN OASIS APP? >> IT'S NOT. IT IS NOT. >> OKAY. >> THAT APP HAS AN INTERFACE WITH THE WEBSITE THAT IS ALSO OURS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WHEN WE TRANSFERRED FROM WEST TRACK, IT WAS WEST TRACK TO OASIS. SO, THAT WEBSITE IS OURS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. >> WE WOULD KEEP OUR -- SEE, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A DECISION, I WANT TO SEE A LAID-OUT PLAN AS OPPOSED TO JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK. SO, THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT I THINK NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, VETTED A LITTLE BETTER BEFORE THE ADVISORY -- BEFORE THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD COULD REALLY MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION OR BEFORE WE COULD MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. SO, WE HAVE A WEBSITE THAT WE THINK IS OURS AND WE WOULD KEEP. >> FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT. >> OKAY. BUT WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. >> WE CAN CERTAINLY FIND OUT. >> OKAY. AND THEN IS THERE ANY OTHER APPLICATIONS THAT ARE BEING USED? >> ON THE BACK END, THE OASIS USING QUICKBOOKS. >> BUT THAT WOULD TRANSITION OVER TO -- >> TRANSITION TO FINANCE. AGAIN, WE USE PAY COM FOR OUR PAYROLL, AND THAT WOULD ALSO TRANSFER OVER TO THE CITY. I THINK MOST OF OUR OPERATIONAL APPS THAT WE USE ARE TRANSFERABLE TO THE CITY. I.T., WE HAVE I.T. SUPPORT, OF COURSE, THAT IS TRANSFERABLE. I CAN CERTAINLY DIG DEEPER -- >> ARE THERE GOING TO BE LICENSING AGREEMENTS OR LICENSING REQUIREMENTS IF WE BRING THEM IN HOUSE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY LICENSE FEES FOR ANY OF THEM. >> THERE WOULD BE AN EXPENSE TO PAY FOR THE MARINA GO SOFTWARE. >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? >> I CAN FIND OUT. >> SO, WHAT ABOUT -- SO, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MAIN REASON WE BROUGHT OASIS IN IS THEY BROUGHT A LOT OF MARKETING VALUE TO THE TABLE. SO, HOW ARE WE GOING TO REPLACE THOSE MARKETING TOOLS AND THETHE MARKETING PROCESSES BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT'S A CORE, YOU KNOW, SKILL IN THE CITY. >> OASIS MANAGEMENT USES GOOGLE ANALYTICS TO ATTRACT A LOT OF OUR MARKETING IMPACT THAT THE -- ALL OUR ADS ARE CLICK TO PAY OR PAY- TYPE THINGS. THEN THE -- I GUESS THE BENEFITS AND RESULTS OF THAT. SO, I DO KNOW WE USE GOOGLE ANALYTICS, WHICH I THINK IS FAIRLY EASY OR TRANSFERABLE. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY STAFF UTILIZES THAT -- >> YOU JUST MENTIONED A BUNCH OF STUFF ABOUT ADS AND MARKETING ADS. I'M SURE THESE ARE SOCIAL MEDIA ADS. WHAT ARE THOSE AND HOW WILL THAT BE REPLACED? >> I CAN GET A THOROUGH BREAKDOWN OF WHAT OASIS IS DOING NOW TO PRESENT TO THE CITY AND SEE HOW THAT WOULD TRANSFER OVER. >> SO, OASIS HAS A MAGAZINE, RIGHT, THAT WE ADVERTISE IN? >> THEY HAVE A SEPARATE MAGAZINE THAT WE DO ADVERTISE IN. WE PAY FOR THOSE -- WE PAY $2,700 A YEAR FOR THAT MAGAZINE TO BE DELIVERED TO THE MARINA. >> SO, WE PAY $2,700 FOR THE AD? >> NO, JUST FOR THE MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTION, WHICH WE IN TURN [00:10:01] USE AS PART OF OUR MARKETING INITIATIVE. IT GOES IN OUR SWAG BAGS TO ALL THE BOATS THAT ARRIVE TO THE MARINA. >> AND THEN WHAT ABOUT -- LIKE, DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE ADS IN THE MAGAZINE? AND THEN WHAT WOULD THOSE COST? >> I COULD FIND OUT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE -- I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A HARBOR MARINA SPECIFIC AD IN MARINA LIFE MAGAZINE. >> AND WHAT ABOUT -- SO, TODAY OASIS IS TAKING SOME -- PROVIDING SOME -- TAKING IN SOME RENT, FEES? >> FOR THE SHIP STORE? >> NO, FOR -- WELL, THEY WERE DOING IT FOR BRETTS. YOU WERE DOING IT FOR ATLANTIC SEAFOOD. THERE WAS A LITTLE LIST. >> OH, THE UPLAND LEASES. >> RIGHT. >> YES. >> SO, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BRING THOSE IN HOUSE? >> I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE CITY ON THAT. >> COMMISSIONER MINSHEW, IF YOU LOOK ON THE SCREEN, THESE ARE SOME OF THE NUMBERS. THIS IS EXPLORATORY DISCUSSION. IF WE WANT TO DIG MORE INTO THE WEEDS, WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. THIS IS SOME OF THE COSTS WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT OASIS CHARGES FOR MANAGEMENT OF THAT ARENA. YOU CAN SEE THE MANAGEMENT FEE RIGHT HERE. THERE'S A 72,000 MANAGEMENT FEE, AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER COSTS THAT OASIS IS PROVIDING. IF THE CITY -- ONCE AGAIN, PAYROLL IS THE BIGGEST EXPENSE. IF YOU WERE TO COMPARE THE PAYROLL, THAT'S WHERE WE LOSE THOSE SAVINGS. BUT THE FIRST YEAR, WITH THE RETENTION FEE AND ALL, YOU CAN SEE YEAR ONE SAVINGS, IT WOULD COST ABOUT $25,000. BUT THEN WE WOULD BE TO THE GOOD ABOUT $20,000 WITHOUT DOING A FULL DEEP DIVE ANALYSIS AND MAKING SOME TWEAKS, AS I MAY HAVE MENTIONED TO YOU IN ONE-ON-ONE THAT IF WE WERE TO TAKE THAT 12-PERSON ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE AND REDUCE FULL- TIME HEAD COUNT, INCREASE PART- TIME, THERE WOULD BE FURTHER SAVINGS REALIZED. YOU DO HAVE TO DO A DEEP DIVE INTO SOFTWARE MARKETING, WHAT CAN BE ABSORBED IN HOUSE, WHAT WE NEED TO OUTSOURCE. >> WE WOULD DO ALL OF THAT WITHIN THE 120 DAYS AFTER WE GIVE THEM NOTICE SO THAT WE WOULD BE READY TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING? >> IT WOULD BE A LIFT. IT WOULD BE A HEAVY LIFT. >> THAT WOULD BE MY BIG CONCERN. AND THEN THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR OASIS IS TODAY YOU'RE DOING SOME OF THOSE UPLAND RENTS. AND I KNOW THERE IS AN ISSUE EARLIER THIS YEAR WITH THE RENT FOR ATLANTIC SEAFOOD THAT WENT FOR MANY MONTHS WITHOUT BEING COLLECTED. IF WE STAYED WITH YOU BUT WE WANTED TO BRING THOSE UPLAND RENTS IN HOUSE TO OUR OWN BILLING DEPARTMENT, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD WORK OUT? >> AGAIN, I'M SURE WE COULD. THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE CITY, I BELIEVE. THAT WOULDN'T -- I COULDN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT. . >> SO, WE HAVE THIS HUGE PROJECT GOING ON WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TEAR THE MARINA APART AND PUT IT BACK TOGETHER. AND WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF OTHER ISSUES GOING ON. WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO BRING THE MANAGEMENT IN HOUSE AND I DON'T NECESSARILY OPPOSE IT, I THINK THE TIMING IS OF A CONCERN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S REALLY GOING TO TAKE TO BRING IT IN HOUSE. AND SO MAYBE WE LET IT GO ONE MORE YEAR. AND THEN WE USE THAT TIME TO ACTUALLY PUT A PLAN TOGETHER SO THAT WE COULD THEN WHEN WE GOT READY TO PULL THE TRIGGER, WE WOULD KNOW THAT IT'S THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS HAS TO BE DONE. AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN A SHORTCOMING OF THE CITY IN THE PAST THAT WE MAKE DECISIONS THAT WE PULL TRIGGERS WITHOUT KNOWING EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO KNOW. AND SO I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BUT I'M NOT READY TO BRING IT IN HOUSE UNTIL I CAN SEE A FULL-BLOWN PLAN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. AND COMMISSIONER TUTEN, YOU'RE NEXT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JEREMIAH. THE $45,000 FEE IF WE WANTED TO RETAIN SOME OF THE STAFF, WOULD WE INCUR THAT NEXT YEAR? IS THAT PART OF THE CONTRACT? IF WE DID NOTHING AND LET THIS CONTRACT GO FOR ONE MORE YEAR, WHAT HAPPENS AT THE END OF THAT YEAR IF WE BRING IT IN HOUSE? DO WE STILL INCUR THAT COST? WE DO? OKAY. I HAVE A LOT TO SAY BUT I DON'T THINK I NEED TO SAY IT BECAUSE THIS YEAR I DO NOT THINK WE SHOULD BRING THIS IN HOUSE. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MINSHEW, I THINK WE HAVE TOO MUCH GOING ON. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO INCUR A COST THAT FIRST YEAR, THIS IS NOT THE YEAR TO INCUR MORE COSTS. SO, I'M HAPPY TO WAIT. [00:15:04] >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER TUTEN. VICE MAYOR? >> YEAH, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE -- GOING FORWARD AFTER THAT INITIAL YEAR, I THINK THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS BY BRINGING THIS IN HOUSE. I DO. I THINK THAT THERE'S THE ABILITY -- THE HEAD COUNT, AS MENTIONED, I THINK WE CAN WORK WITH THAT. WE CAN WORK WITH SOME OF THE MARKETING AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS. I THINK THAT THERE'S THE ABILITY TO SAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. BUT I'VE GOT TO AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF WE TRY TO UNDERTAKE THIS RIGHT NOW AND FUEL GOES DOWN FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH THE PYLONS AND WE CAN'T GET TO THAT AND NOW IT'S JUST MORE OF AN ISSUE. AND HERE WE ARE TRYING TO HANDLE THE ISSUE WITH THE RESTAURANT THERE ON FRONT STREET AND THEN HAVE AN IN- HOUSE MOVEMENT. I THINK IT'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS. I WOULD BE EXCITED TO SEE WHERE THIS COULD BE IN A YEAR FROM NOW. AS MENTIONED WITH DIGGING IN A LITTLE BIT INTO THE PLANS, SEEING WHAT -- SEEING WHAT WE COULD DO. I KNOW THAT STAFF COULD PROBABLY LAY OUT A GOOD AMOUNT OF YEAR ONE, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD COST US, BUT YEAR TWO, IF WE ADJUST HEAD COUNT AND DO CERTAIN THINGS, THIS COULD BE THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS IN TWO, THREE, AND BEYOND. I THINK WITH A GOOD AMOUNT OF WORK UP THERE, WE COULD SEE SOME SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS. BUT I THINK IT'S JUST TOO MUCH GOING ON RIGHT NOW AT THE WATERFRONT TO DO THIS. I'VE GOT TO AGREE. >> THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. COMMISSIONER POYNTER? >> I THINK WE'RE NOT READY -- ON THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS OR NOT. MAYBE THERE IS, BUT I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THOSE NINE FULL-TIME PEOPLE ARE RIGHT NOW PEOPLE. BUT WE HAVE NO IDEA. I MEAN, I -- WE'VE GOT THE JOB AT THE BEGINNING AND THEN THEY GOT BOUGHT BY SOMEBODY AND THEN ALL THE KEY PEOPLE LEFT. OTHER PEOPLE CAME IN AND THEN -- THEN HIRED OASIS. THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS FOR THIS, AND THE THING THAT ALWAYS CONCERNS ME WITH MOVING IN HOUSE IS OUR VERY ROBUST BENEFITS PROGRAM AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF, WHICH REALLY RAISES THE COST. BUT I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY HERE JUST CONTINUE ON FOR ANOTHER YEAR ANDAND THE TIME TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSIONER MINSHEW SEE AT THE END OF THE DAY WHERE DO WE STAND ON THIS AND WHAT IS IT REALLY GOING TO COST US. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. AND COMMISSIONER TUTEN. >> I JUST HAVE ONE MORE THING TO ADD SORT OF OFF THE TRACK. DO WE -- I HAD ASKED MS. CAMPBELL, DO WE KNOW THE DEBT THAT THE MARINA INCURRED? DO WE KNOW THAT SCHEDULE, WHEN THAT -- >> . >> OKAY. OKAY. >> BUT WE THINK IT'S IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS TO WHEN THE MARINA WOULD, IN THEORY, OPERATE IN THE BLACK. >> OKAY. >> AND ACTUALLY I'LL ALSO ADD, NOW THAT WE HAVE A NEW DOWNTOWN DIRECTOR, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER AYSCUE THAT THE POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE SAVINGS IN FUTURE YEARS, WE MAY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT. AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE EXPLORED FOR FUTURE SAVINGS. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER MINSHEW? >> AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD. I KNOW YOU WORKED ON THIS HARD LAST NIGHT. I WATCHED THE MEETING FROM HOME BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO HAVE A GLASS OF WINE WHILE I WAS DOING THAT AND MADE LIFE A LOT EASIER. BUT YOU ALL BROUGHT UP REALLY GOOD POINTS, AND I THINK THEY NEED TO BE EXPLORED. BUT I WANT -- SO, WHEN WE PULL THE TRIGGER, I WANT A REALLY LAID OUT PLAN. AND I WANT THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD TO GET ENGAGED IN THAT PLAN AND FIGURE OUT [00:20:03] WHAT ALL THE PUTS AND TAKES ARE SO THAT WHEN WE DO THIS, WE DO IT RIGHT AND WE DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASK OF THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'VE PUT INTO IT TO DATE. I JUST WANT TO DELAY THIS A YEAR TO GIVE US SOME TIME TO GET OUR ACT TOGETHER. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS PUT ALL THE POINTS ON THE HEAD. THIS IS A GREAT EXPLORATION. I APPRECIATE OUR WATERFRONT ADVISORY OFFICIALS. BUT IT'S JUST POOR TIMING. SO, WITH THAT, I WILL CONCUR THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WOULD DEFINITELY BE TO AT LEAST PUNT THIS THROUGH TO ONE YEAR WHILE WE DEVELOP THE PLAN, AS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID AS WELL. >> WE'LL BEGIN THAT DEEP DIVE HERE IN A FEW MONTHS AND BE PREPARED TO REALLY TAKE A [4.2 BRETT'S WATERWAY CAFE - DEMOLITION & REDEVELOPMENT NEXT STEPS] LOOK AT ALL THE ELEMENTS AND SEE WHAT THE NEXT STEP WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR NEXT YEAR. >> ALL RIGHT. SO, MOVING ALONG, WE'LL GO TO 4.2. THAT'S BRETT'S WATERWAY CAFE DEMOLITION AND REDEVELOPMENT. NOW WE CAN BOUNCE THAT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND SEE IF WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE STAFF A LITTLE MORE CLEAR DIRECTION. WITH THAT, MR. GLISTEN, TAKE US AWAY. >> WE'LL DIVE INTO THE NEXT SECTION, WHICH IS DEMOLITION/REDEVELOPMENT OF THE BRETT'S RESTAURANT. WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE TEAM HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THIS VERY COMPLEX, LAYERED PROJECT. THIS IS THEIR ORIGINAL PRESENTATION. WE'VE TACKED ON A LITTLE BIT TO THIS ORIGINAL PRESENTATION THEY GAVE YOU BACK IN I BELIEVE IT'S APRIL WHEN WE STIRS STARTED EXPLORING THE CONCEPTS AND THE PROBABLE COSTS. AS A QUICK REMINDER, WE'LL RUN THROUGH THIS BRIEFLY, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN FIRST BEFORE YOU CAN PREPARE TO DEMOLISH THIS BUILDING. ON YOUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING, YOU WILL SEE THAT NEXT WORK ORDER TO START ACCOMPLISHING SOME OF THESE TASKS. AND THAT IS REHABILITATION OF THE SOUTHERN SIDE BOARDWALK AND THEN RELOCATING UTILITIES AND FIELD LINES TO THAT BOARDWALK, DEMOLISHING THE STRUCTURE, REPAIRING OR REPLACING THE BULKHEAD UNDERNEATH THAT STRUCTURE. AND THEN NEXT, WHICH WE WOULD CALL OUR PHASE TWO, WOULD BE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF WHAT WOULD GO IN ITS PLACE. WE KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO DO THE DEMOLITION. WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTO PLACE WHAT TO GO BACK SO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH PERMITTING SEAMLESSLY, WE DON'T LOSE INERTIA, AND WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE ONCE DEMOLITION OCCURS. AND A HIGH- LEVEL VIEW OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN TO COMPLETE JUST THE DEMOLITION, UNTIL WE REALLY BID THE PROJECT, WE DON'T KNOW. BUT THE PROBABLE COSTS ARE 3. 8 TO 5 MILLION. AND THAT INCLUDES THAT BULKHEAD SECTION. AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE $2 MILLION FROM STATE APPROPRIATION FROM LAST YEAR, PRIOR YEAR, TO FUND THE NEXT SEGMENT OF SEA WAHL.WALL. SO, THIS COULD BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE. THIS IS WHERE WE LOOKED AT A LAYER OF COMPLEXITY AND COSTS OPTIONS GOING FORWARD. OPTION ONE IS AS IF BRETT'S IS NOT THERE AND THIS IS A CONTINUING DOCK TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BOAT RENTAL SLIPS. AND THIS WOULD CONTINUE TO PROVIDE A CONNECTION POINT TO THE SOUTHERN BOARDWALK AND DOCK A. NEXT IS A HALF DOCK, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE THAT CONNECTING POINT AND THEN TIED BACK TO LAND. AND THAT RANGE IS 870 TO 1. 1 MILLION. AND THESE ARE ONES THAT YOU'VE ALL SEEN. THIS IS THE FULL DECK STRUCTURE WITHIN THE BRETT'S FOOTPRINT. YOU'RE LOOKING UP TO 1. 6 OVER DEMOLITION COST. HERE'S WHAT THE PAVILION, OPTION FOUR, A PAVILION STRUCTURE ON TOP OF THAT DECK. THEN YOU HAVE THE LAND- BASED RESTAURANT AND THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND THAT'S IN CONJUNCTION WITH JUST A CONNECTING PIECE OUT THERE ON -- ALONG DOCK A. AND THEN YOU HAVE EVERYTHING THAT WAS JUST AFOREMENTIONED. SO, THE OPEN DECK, THE PAVILION, THE LAND- BASED RESTAURANT. SO, ON TOP OF DEMOLITION, YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 3 MILLION ESTABLISHED AS PROBABLE COST. HERE'S A CONCEPT OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE, A 3 D RENDERING DID A GREAT JOB OF GIVING YOU AN IDEA WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH ALL THOSE OPTIONS TOGETHER. WE DID SOME COMMUNITY OUTREACH, AND OF COURSE WE HAD THE TOWN HALL. BUT OF THAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WE'VE HAD CLOSE TO 800 RESPONSES ON THE SURVEY. AND THE RESULTS WERE LARGELY TO DO EVERYTHING OR DO NOTHING. SO, SECOND PLACE WAS OPTION ONE, WAS JUST PROVIDING THAT CONNECTION PIECE. OPTION SIX, WHICH WAS THE EVERYTHING PACKAGE WAS -- HAD THE MOST VOTES. WE ASKED HOW TO PAY FOR IT, PROPERTY TAX, PAY PARKING REVENUE, OR OTHER WERE ALL PRETTY EQUALLY SHARED IN HOW TO PAY FOR THIS REDEVELOPMENT. WITHOUT PROVIDING [00:25:01] ALL THE DETAIL, OTHER RESPONSES, WE DO HAVE 277 OTHER RESPONSES FROM RENT, TOURISM TAX, HOTEL TAX, RESTAURANT LEASE, A NUMBER OF THINGS. BUT THIS IS JUST A.I.- GENERATED GRAB OF WHAT THOSE WORDS WERE THAT PEOPLE SUBMITTED IN THOSE 277 RESPONSES. AND THEN WE HAD OUR TOWN HALL. THE HIGHLIGHT OF THE EVENING WAS PAID PARKING. SO, WE HAD NINE SPEAKERS TALK ABOUT THE BRETT'S REDEVELOPMENT. COORDINATION WITH SHRIMP FESTIVAL IS A VERY IMPORTANT CONCERN. THAT WAS STATED. ALSO A PHASED APPROACH. IN OTHER WORDS, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING NOW. WE COULD DO THE WORK OVER WATER THAT WE KNOW NEEDS TO BE DONE AFTER THE DEMOLITION AND WORRY ABOUT THE BUILDING OR WHAT WERE TO GO ON LAND AT A LATER TIME. PUBLIC- PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, SELL THE MARINA, AND JUST THE IMPACTS TO THE EMELIA RIVER CRUISE AND THE OTHER 35 BUSINESSES THERE. AND A GROWING TOPIC HAS BEEN MAYBE IN LIEU OF A RESTAURANT OR IN ADDITION TO A RESTAURANT, THE REDEVELOPMENT WOULD BE SOME KIND OF FACILITY THAT WOULD HOUSE AS BUSINESSES AT THE WATERFRONT. THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD ALSO WEIGHED IN ON THIS. THEY HAD UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FOR OPTION TWO. THIS WAS THE TIERED EXPANSION. THIS WAS THE SECOND LEAST EXPENSIVE REDEVELOPMENT OPTION, AND IT PROVIDED OVER 5,000 SQUARE FOOT OF PUBLIC SPACE. IT ALSO WILL PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL BOAT SLIPS AND QUICK DISCUSSION WITH THE OASIS TEAM, POTENTIALLY AN ADDITIONAL $20,000 REVENUE FOR LONG- TERM ANNUAL SLIP HOLDERS WITH THAT ADDITIONAL DOCK SPACE. AND THEN ALSO MAKE SURE EQUIP THE DOCK WITH ELECTRICAL FOR FUTURE USE, MAYBE MUSIC OR SPECIAL EVENT, AND CONSIDER A SYNTHETIC DECK SURFACE TREATMENT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ASK. IF SO MOVED, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ASK TO EXPLORE TO SEE WHAT THAT COST DIFFERENTIAL WOULD BE TO GO WITH THE SYNTHETIC SURFACE. SO, THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD AND NOW IT'S TO YOU, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, TO GIVE US DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE BRETT'S RESTAURANT AREA. >> THANK YOU. WE'LL START WITH VICE MAYOR DARRON AYSCUE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. TO ME, I AGREE WITH THE TWO OPTIONS THAT ARE NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO OF THE SURVEY. HERE, THIS OPTION TWO OR ANYTHING ELSE FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU PUT THINGS IN THE WATER, IT'S MAINTENANCE. THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE COST THAT COMES WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE FROM OPTION ONE ABOVE. THAT'S JUST A FACT. WE CAN'T GET AROUND IT. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO DO -- GET RID OF THIS STRUCTURE AND THEN GET BACK BECAUSE OF MONEY REASONS, ANYTHING ABOVE OPTION ONE IS MAINTENANCE. IT IS CONTINUED MAINTENANCE. IT WILL BE CONTINUED MAINTENANCE. SO, I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. TO ME, I THINK WHAT WOULD BE BEST IS OPTION ONE, GO TO A BASIC. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO ZERO AT SOME POINT IN TIME. AND I DON'T THINK THAT EVERY COMMISSION HAS TO DO EVERYTHING BECAUSE OPTION TWO, THREE, AND FOUR CAN ALL BE DONE -- ALL THE OTHER OPTIONS CAN BE DONE ONCE OPTION ONE IS COMPLETED. I THINK GETTING BACK TO ZERO IS THE BEST THING THAT WE CAN DO. IT'S THE LEAST COSTLY. IT GETS US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. THE OTHER OPTION, WHICH IS THE RESTAURANT, IF YOU PUT THAT OUT FOR RFP, YOU COULD GET RID OF THE STRUCTURE. YOU COULD HAVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANTED IF YOU WENT OUT TO RFP AND ALLOWED A RESTAURANT TO GO BACK THERE. IT WOULDN'T COST THE CITY TAXPAYERS A DOLLAR. I'M TELLING YOU, THERE ARE DEVELOPERS LINING UP TO GET A CHANCE TO BID ON THAT RFP, AND THEY WILL PAY TO TAKE THAT BUILDING DOWN. THEY'LL PAY TO TAKE IT DOWN. THEY'LL PUT WHATEVER WE WANT BACK IN THERE. THEY'LL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. AS LONG AS YOU WRITE THE RFP, THEY WON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS AS LONG AS YOU GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO PUT A RESTAURANT THERE. AND THEY'D DO IT AND IT WOULDN'T COST US A DIME. SO, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT OPTION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I THINK A FUTURE COMMISSION COULD DO THAT IF THEY WANTED TO. I THINK GETTING BACK TO ZERO IS THE BEST OPTION FOR THE CITY. LET'S GET BACK THERE. BUT I JUST -- I WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE REMISS NOT TO MENTION THAT THERE'S DEVELOPERS JUST READY TO GO TO TEAR THAT THING DOWN AND NOT COST US A DIME. SO, THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. COMMISSIONER POYNTER. >> I AGREE ALMOST WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID. I THINK IN THIS CASE LESS IS MORE. AND MY CONCERN IS GOING OUT INTO THE WATER, SLOWING DOWN THE WATER -- AND DOING THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THE LAST 45 YEARS, LET'S PUT MORE [00:30:04] PIERS IN SO WE CAN SLOW THE WATER DOWN MORE SO WE CAN DREDGE MORE. THERE'S NO REASON THAT IT NECESSARILY HAS TO BE ALL OVER THE WATER TO HAVE A DECK. YOU CAN HAVE A NICE DECK ON THE LAND SIDE. YOU'VE GOT YOUR WALK, A LITTLE CANTILEVER -- OVER THE THING, THERE'S YOUR DECK, AND YOU'RE COMING BACK ONTO LAND. AND NOW YOU'RE NOT IMPACTING ANYTHING AND YOU'RE GETTING MORE BOAT SLIPS FOR REVENUE, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT IDEA. THE THING I DISAGREE WITH, I THINK IF THIS COMMISSION OR ANY COMMISSION WANTED TO, YOU COULD SELL THE WHOLE FRONT TO DEVELOPERS. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS COMMUNITY IS INTERESTED IN. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU SAY, HEY, HERE'S AN RFP. YOU WANT TO BUILD THIS THING, YEAH, PEOPLE WILL BE LINING UP. BUT WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN? WE HAVE TO PAY MONEY TO SEE THE SUNSET. BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF LESS, CONCERNS BEING THE DECK WITHOUT THE PIERS. BUT I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH DOING A DECK ON THE LAND SIDE OF IT. JUST KEEP IT OUT OF THE WATER THE BEST WE CAN. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER MINSHEW? >> SO, ACTUALLY I PROBABLY HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR JEREMIAH OR FOR THE -- FOLKS. I KNOW IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION THAT EVERYTHING UNDERNEATH THERE NEEDS TO COME OUT BUT THAT WHAT WOULD GO BACK ARE COLUMNS WRAPPED IN A PARTICULAR MATERIAL THAT WOULD NOT INHIBIT THE FLOW. SO, WE -- I MEAN, IS THERE SOME ASSUMPTION OR SOME UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MUCH MORE FLOW WE'RE GOING TO GET? >> WHILE PASSER IS COMING UP, A FLOW ANALYSIS WOULD NEED TO BE DONE. WHAT'S CHALLENGING IS DOING FLOW ANALYSIS WHEN YOU KNOW YOU HAVE STRUCTURES THERE. IT PROVIDES FALSE READINGS. THEY CAN PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION. >> GOOD EVENING TO THE COMMISSION. SO, GENERALLY SPEAKING IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF STRUCTURE AND THE COMPOSITION OF THE STRUCTURE THAT'S BENEATH BRETT'S RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A MIX OF TIMBER PILES, ROUND PILES, SQUARE PILES, CONCRETE PILES. BECAUSE WE ARE NOT EXPECTING TO HEAR FROM YOU THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A LARGE STRUCTURE BACK OUT THERE, NUMBER ONE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT LESS PILES. NUMBER TWO, WE THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE CIRCULAR. SO, THERE ARE JUST GOING TO BE LESS AND THE FLOW IS GOING TO BE BETTER GOING AROUND A CIRCULAR PILE. SO, YOU WANT US TO CONDUCT A FLOW STUDY, WE ABSOLUTELY COULD. TO DO THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO KNOW WHICH OF THE OPTIONS YOU WANTED US TO MODEL. WE CAN DO A HYDRAULIC MODEL THAT SHOWS HERE'S WHAT'S THERE TODAY, MAKE SOME BASE ASSUMPTIONS, AND SHOW YOU HOW MUCH IT WOULD IMPROVE, AND THERE WOULD BE A BETTER FLOW. RIGHT NOW THERE'S ALMOST NO FLOW. WHEN YOU LOOK BENEATH BRETTS, YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND CLEARLY IT'S COMPLETELY OBSTRUCTED. SO, THERE'S NO WATER FLOW. WE COULD DO ANALYSIS FOR YOU. THESE TWO ARE GOING TO ANSWER DETAILED QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE -- >> IN OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PILINGS WOULD BE WRAPPED IN SOMESOME THAT BARNACLES CAN'T GROW ON. >> YES. AND THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE MATERIAL THAT IS USED OUT THERE VERSUS WHAT WILL BE USED TODAY, IT'S FAR SUPERIOR, MUCH MORE DURABLE, MUCH MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, AND STOPPING ALL THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE CAUSED AT LEAST A LOT OF THE MAINTENANCE NEEDS AND COSTS TO DATE. >> DO YOU HAVE SOME IDEA OF -- LET'S SAY WE DID THIS DOCK, OPTION TWO THAT'S UP THERE NOW. IS THERE -- DO YOU HAVE SOME IDEA ABOUT WHAT THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE COST WOULD BE FOR THAT VERSUS JUST PUTTING -- YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THAT? I MEAN -- I MEAN, I KNOW DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU PUT AS THE TOP, YOU'D HAVE SOME -- YOU KNOW, YOU'VE EITHER GOT TO HAVE REPLACED TIMBER DECKS OR IF YOU PUT IN SOME KIND OF MATERIAL -- >> WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY COME TO YOU AND TALK ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT METHODS OF SPENDING A LITTLE MORE MONEY AND HAVING LESS MAINTENANCE IN THE FUTURE. AND FRANKLY WE CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE CAPITAL COSTS WOULD BE NOW, WHAT THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE WOULD BE FOR A 20-YEAR PERIOD. THAT WOULD BE BASED ON WHEN YOU TELL US WHICH ONE OF THOSE ARE, WE'LL PROBABLY GIVE YOU AT LEAST THREE OPTIONS ON SPENDING MORE MONEY NOW AND HAVING LESS MONEY THROUGHOUT, DEPENDING ON THE MATERIAL AND YOUR GOALS. IS IT LESS MONEY NOW AND HIGHER MAINTENANCE OR MORE [00:35:03] MONEY NOW AND LESS MAY INTENANCE? YOU'LL HAVE THAT DECISION. >> AND THIS IDEA THAT WE COULD PUT ADDITIONAL BOAT SLIPS ALONG THERE, HAVE Y'ALL HAD JEREMIAH TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT? >> A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE ON THE GRAPHIC ON SCREEN RIGHT NOW MIGHT BE THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY PUSH THE DECK BACK A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT NOW THE DECK IS, KIND OF, RIGHT ON TOP OF THE DOCK. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE THE DOCK MORE FULLY USABLE, IF WE MOVE THE DECK BACK JUST TEN FEET, YOU'LL HAVE A FULLY USABLE DOCK ON THE ENTIRE DISTANCE AT LEAST ON ONE SIDE. THAT WOULD BE BETTER. RIGHT NOW YOU'RE BLOCKING THE DOCK WITH THE DECK. JUST PUSH THE DECK BACK TEN MORE FEET. YOU HAVE A WHOLE OTHER ROW -- >> ARE YOU SAYING WE WOULD MAKE THE DECK TEN FEET SMALLER OR PUSH IT ONTO LAND. >> NO, I WOULD SAY -- WELL, I'M LOOKING AT THIS SCENARIO THAT YOU WOULD -- IT WOULD BE TEN FEET SMALLER. AND I ALSO DO WANT TO ADD BECAUSE I JUST HEARD NUMEROUS COMMENTS ABOUT IT. YOU STILL HAVE ON ANY OF THE DECK OPTIONS OR EVEN IF THERE ISN'T A DECK OVER THE WATER -- WE SHOWED BASIC STRUCTURES, SOMETHING TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THE SUN, A GAZEBO -- THAT COULD STILL BE ON THE LAND SIDE OR IT COULD BE ONE SMALL FEATURE OVER THE WATER WITH A WALKWAY UNDER IT. NOT A BIG DECK LIKE YOU'RE SEEING HERE. ALL THOSE ARE STILL -- YOU COULD TAKE JEREMIAH'S LAST OPTION WHERE YOU HAD SHOWN THE STRUCTURE AND MOVE THAT BACK 100 FEET TOWARD THE BULKHEAD, JUST PUSH THAT ALL BACK. >> SOMEBODY ON SOCIAL MEDIA, I THINK, MADE SOME COMMENT ABOUT CANTILEVERING THE DECK OUT OVER THE WATER SO YOU ACTUALLY WOULDN'T HAVE PILINGS. I MEAN, THAT DOES -- YOU CAN ONLY CANTILEVER SO FAR. >> YOU COULD DO THAT. >> THAT'S EXPENSIVE THOUGH, RIGHT? >> IT WOULD BE, YES. AND IT WOULD PROBABLY -- IT WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE MORE PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE. BUT IT IS POSSIBLE. IT IS POSSIBLE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION PROBABLY FOR JEREMIAH. THE FLOATING DOCKS A AND F, EVEN AT OUR BEST, LOWEST DREDGE -- YOU KNOW, WHEN OUR DREDGING IS DONE, EACH SIDE OF THOSE DOCKS, ARE THEY USABLE? IS IT DEEP ENOUGH? >> LOOKING TO MS. CHAPMAN FOR -- >> NO. >> NO, NO. >> OKAY. >> AND TO THE POINT ABOUT DREDGING, MOST OF ALL THE DREDGING WE DO IS IN THE SOUTHERN BASIN BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THE SEDIMENTATION PILES UP BECAUSE OF THE OBSTRUCTION OF ALL THE DEBRIS UNDERNEATH BRETTS. OUR RECENT DREDGING WAS THE SOUTHERN BASIN, AND THAT'S WHERE WE DREDGED THE NORTHERN BASIN MUCH, MUCH LESS FREQUENTLY THAN THE SOUTHERN. >> THERE WAS A TIME WHENWHEN THERE ENOUGH DEPTH ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE DOCKS THAT YOU COULD PUT A SMALL BOAT THERE. BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT'S BENEATH BRETTS RIGHT NOW COMPLETELY STOPPING THE FLOW BENEATH, IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT FLUSHING AT ALL AT THIS POINT. AT ONE POINT THERE WAS ROOM ON BOTH SIDES WHERE YOU COULD PUT A SMALL BOAT. YEARS AGO. >> COMMISSIONER, I SEE NO OTHER COMMISSIONER REQUESTS TO SPEAK. >> ACTUALLY, I'LL -- >> VICE MAYOR, JUST FIRE IT OFF. >> OKAY. >> YEAH. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER POYNTER. I WOULD JUST RATHER SEE IT ALL FLOW, MAYBE EVEN JUST A YEAR OR TWO, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE FLOW LOOKS LIKE. WITHOUT ANYTHING IN THERE. DOES IT HELP THE NORTH BASIN WITHOUT -- WITHOUT IT THERE? YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO HELP THE SOUTH BASIN FOR SURE. BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO FLOW THROUGH THERE WITHOUT ANYTHING THERE, WHICH IS WHY I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF OPTION ONE. BESIDES THE COST SAVINGS OF, YOU KNOW, A GOOD $800,000, JUST PUTTING THAT THING BACK TO ZERO AND GOING WITH THE ABILITY TO JUST CONNECT THOSE DOTS AND BE DONE, THE DOCKS, THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO BE. THAT'S JUST ME. BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER TUTEN. >> I WANTED TO QUICKLY WEIGH IN. WHILE I APPRECIATE THE BEAUTY OF LARGER DOCKS, I WILL VOTE FOR OPTION ONE ALSO FOR ALL THE REASONS STATED. AND I'LL ADD FOR WHAT I WOULD IMAGINE WOULD BE INSURANCE COSTS FOR ANYTHING LARGER AND ALSO RESILIENCY COSTS. I HAD TO REMIND MYSELF WHEN HURRICANE MATTHEW CAME THROUGH, IT WAS ONLY A CATEGORY 2 WHEN IT PASSED US. AND THE DAMAGE IT BROUGHT TO THE MARINA -- WE WILL HAVE THAT HAPPEN AGAIN. AND THE LESS WE HAVE HANGING OUT OVER THE WATER, THE LESS WE WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR FUTURE [00:40:07] REPAIRS LATER. AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE YEAR TO -- I APPRECIATE THAT IF WHILE ALL THE EQUIPMENT IS OUT THERE, IF WE WERE TO BUILD IT AT -- BUILD A DOCK OUT AT THAT TIME, IT WOULD BE CHEAPER. BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE YEAR TO DO IT. I THINK FUTURE COMMISSIONS -- AND ACTUALLY I APPRECIATE WHAT COMMISSIONER AYSCUE, IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT A COUPLE OF YEARS OF FLOW MIGHT DO TO THE MARINA. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. >> I JUST WANT TO ASK ONE THING. SO, ASSUMING FOR A MINUTE THAT WE JUST PUT THE -- BACK, THE WALKWAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, DISRUPT PRETTY MUCH A LOT OF THE NORTH END OF THE MARINA BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO BRING IN CRANES AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF. SO, THEN WE HAVE A YEAR OR SO WHERE WE DECIDE WE DON'T WANT TO PUT ANYTHING OUT THERE, AND NOW WE'VE DECIDED THAT WE DO. SO, NOW WE HAVE TO DISRUPT ALL THOSE PEOPLE AGAIN TO BRING IN CRANES AND WHATEVER TO BUILD OUT SOME DOCK STRUCTURE? I MEAN, SOME PAVILION OR, YOU KNOW, VIEWING AREA, WHATEVER? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS TO THIS DISRUPTION OF THE MARINA IF WE DO THIS -- IF WE ASSUME THAT WE CAN BUILD SOMETHING BACK LATER. >> IN THE PAST, ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE TIMBER DECK WALKWAY ON PARKING LOT A AND PARKING LOT B, I RECALL THAT THE CONTRACTORS ACTUALLY HAD THE OPTION OF DOING IT BY BARGE OR COMING IN ON LAND. AND THEY CHOSE AT THAT TIME -- EVERYBODY CHOSE TO COME IN BY BARGE. SO, THEY DID NOT CHOOSE TO COME IN MY LAND. BUT THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A LONG TIME AGO ALSO. BUT THAT IS WHAT THE CONTRACTORS CHOSE AS MOST EFFECTIVE IN THE PAST. THAT WOULD MEAN BRINGING IN BARGE AND CRANE BY WATER. >> BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU COULD BUILD A DECK STRUCTURE PARTIALLY OVER WATER WITHOUT BARGES AND CRANES? >> THAT WOULD BE UP TO -- THAT WOULD BE -- YOU COULD DO TWO THINGS. YOU COULD TELL THE CONTRACTOR THAT THEY HAD TO DO THAT, THEY MUST COME BY LAND. IT'S A DIFFERENT SET OF -- IT'S A DIFFERENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE MACHINERY AND THE LENGTH, BRINGING IT THROUGH DOWNTOWN AND GETTING IT TO THAT LOCATION. BUT YOU COULD REQUIRE IT AS LONG AS YOU ARE OKAY WITH ACCOMMODATING THE CONTRACTOR OF HOW THEY GET THE CRANE AND THE LENGTH OF THE PILINGS TO THAT LOCATION, WHICH, AGAIN, IS NOT EASY BECAUSE THEY ARE LONGER THAN -- THEY'RE LONGER THAN TELEPHONE POLES. THEY'RE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET TO THAT LOCATION. WE HEARD THAT FROM THE CONTRACTOR LONG AGO HOW WE WOULD -- THAT. IT WAS NOT FEASIBLE THEY WERE GOING TO COME ON THE TRUCK AND MAKE IT TO THAT LOCATION AND GET OFF OF A STREET TO THE MARINA. >> THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MINSHEW. I SEE NO OTHER REQUESTS TO SPEAK FROM THE COMMISSION. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR INPUT. WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK AS WELL. AND FOR PEOPLE AT HOME TO HERE AS WELL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR OPTION NUMBER ONE AS WELL. I BELIEVE IT'S EASY FOR US TO ADD MORE IN THE FUTURE. BUT IN OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, MS. MARIANNE PHILLIPS SAID, DO WHAT YOU CAN PAY FOR NOW. WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING FOR THAT MONEY. SO, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO BE SAVVY WITH OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR. >> CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? >> CERTAINLY. >> THAT IS, IF WE ARE GOING BACK TO -- JEREMIAH, COULD YOU GO BACK TO OPTION ONE, PLEASE? DO YOU WANT US TO PUT TIMBER WALKWAY ON TOP OF THE NEW BALL CAP? WHAT DO YOU ENVISION ON TOP OF THE NEW BALL CAP? IT WOULD JUST BE EASIER TO KNOW NOW. WHEN THAT'S DONE, WHEN IT'S DEMOED -- IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS JUST LIKE PARKING A AND PARKING LOT B -- OR THE WALKWAY IN PARKING LOT D, WHICH IS -- IT'S PAVED, BUT SOMETHING SIMPLE LIKE THAT. YOU'RE GOING TO WANT SOME FORM OF WALKWAY TO CONNECT PARKING LOT A AND PARKING LOT B WITH A RAILING. >> COMMISSIONER TUTEN FIRST. >> THANK YOU FOR ASKING THIS QUESTION. THIS IS VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. IT IS MY STRONG DESIRE THAT THE WALKWAY DOES NOT HANG OVER THE WATER, THAT THE LANDWARD THE WAY IT IS AT THE WATERFRONT PARK, AGAIN BECAUSE OF RESILIENCY. WHEN THAT STORM COMES, THAT CANTILEVERED WALKWAY OVER [00:45:05] RIGHT NOW IS DESTROYED. AND WHEN YOU'RE STANDING ON THE WALKWAY, YOU DON'T PHYSICALLY KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING OUT DOWN AT THE WATER, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S SIX FEET OF WATER UNDER YOU, UNDER THE BRIDGE, OR IF THERE'S LAND UNDER YOU. IT HAS THE SAME PHYSICAL FEEL. I DO NOT WANT IT IN THE WATER. >> VICE MAYOR? >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT LIKE C AND D. THAT'S MY PREFERENCE, JUST LIKE WE HAVE OUT FRONT HERE. IF THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT RIGHT THERE IN WHAT IS PARKING LOT A AND B WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF IT BEING ABLE TO BE CONNECTED TO C AND D, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE A PRETTY SEAMLESS LOOK FROM C AND D TO WHERE THIS IS NOW. >> -- THE DESIGNER OF C AND D, SO HE'LL MAKE IT LOOK EXACTLY AS YOU WANT TO SEE. >> ]. >> JUST FOR SOME PERSPECTIVE HERE, THE BOARDWALKS THAT ARE OUT OVER WATER NOW IN LOTLOT AND LOT B ARE ABOUT 15 FOOT WIDE. IF YOU DO MOVE THAT IN ON LAND, YOU SIGNIFICANTLY SHRINK THAT OPEN PUBLIC SPACE. YOU'RE LOOKING ABOUT 7,000 SQUARE FOOT OF LOST, USABLE SPACE. YOU CAN SEE IF YOU BRING THAT ON LAND, YOU HAVE A CAR BUMPER OVER THE BOARDWALK, ESSENTIALLY, RIGHT THERE AT IT. WITHOUT RUNNING INTO -- WE HAD CONVERSATIONS EARLIER, WITHOUT RUNNING THE MODELS TO LOOK AT IT, YOU LOSE A LOT OF WALKABLE SPACE. YOU HAVE A BIG OPEN DECK. YOU BRING THAT ON LAND, YOU LOOK AT A LOSS OF PARKING EVEN. JUST TO CONSIDER. THAT'S ALL. >> I STILL HAVE COMMISSIONER POYNTER AND COMMISSIONER MINSHEW. AND PLEASE BE MINDFUL I DO HAVE REQUESTS TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THE SAME BOAT RAMP AND SOMETHING DIFFERENT HERE. CAN WE JUST DO IT ALL THE SAME? >> C AND D DOES LOOK DIFFERENT THAN A AND B, THOUGH. A AND B ARE VERY TIMBER AND CC D ARE -- SO WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AND LET YOU TAKE A LOOK AND MAYBE WE CAN MAKE A MIX AND MAKE THAT WORK. BUT THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AND RESILIENCY. >> I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT. AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AS RESILIENT AS POSSIBLE. SO, IF WE LOSE A LITTLE SPACE OR WE LOSE A FEW PARKING PLACES, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO, I THINK, TO PROTECT THE MARINA AND PROTECT THE [5. PUBLIC COMMENT] INVESTMENT. %-Ú WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU HAVE SOME REQUESTS TO SPEAK. THERE ARE FIVE. SO, I THINK WE'LL GET THROUGH THEM ALL. BUT JUST IN CASE WE DON'T, IF FOLKS ARE READY TO TAKE WHAT THEY WANT TO AT THE REGULAR MEETING, I WOULD MORE THAN -- START OFF WITH MR. MICHAEL SHARP. >> MIKE SHARP, 130 NORTH 9TH STREET. I WILL DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH YOU GUYS HAVE GOING ON THIS EVENING. THE OASIS MARINA ISSUE, I WOULD ASK THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO EXTEND THIS CONTRACT THAT YOU GO BACK THROUGH AND LOOK AT ALL THAT LAUNDRY LIST OF EXPENSES THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT. AND TO SAY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAVE MONEY BECAUSE OF THAT LAUNDRY LIST OF EXPENSES, MANY OF WHICH THAT WE WOULD NOT INCUR, I THINK IS -- I DON'T THINK THAT'S CORRECT. I MEAN, A LOT OF THAT STUFF DOESN'T NEED TO BE THERE. WE DON'T NEED TO PARTICULARLY OUR MARINA. WE'RE THE FIRST PORT IN FLORIDA. THEY KNOW WE'RE HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY TO BE SAVED THERE, AND I THINK THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT CONTRACT, I WOULDN'T JUST RUBBER STAMP THIS ONE THAT WE HAVE. JUST MAKE THEM TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THOSE EXPENSES. I WOULD ALSO SAY IT'S A MISTAKE NOT TO PROCEED WITH SOME DECKING OUT THERE. THE ONE THAT THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD AGREED WITH WAS I THINK A REASONABLE HALFWAY POINT. IT DOESN'T COME OUT NEARLY AS FAR AS WHAT'S EXISTING NOW. ONCE YOU TAKE AWAY THAT STUFF UNDERNEATH IT -- I UNDERSTAND I'VE LOST -- BUT I THINK TO TRY AND GO BACK AND BRING IN BARGES, TRY TO BRING THAT STUFF THROUGH DOWNTOWN IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. THERE'S NO WAY. JUST A CRANE WOULD KNOCK OUT ALL THE TRAINS COMING DOWN THERE. SO, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE PRUDENT TO CREATE SOME DECK SPACE OUT THERE WHILE ALL THAT EQUIPMENT IS OUT THERE TO TRY TO BRING IT BACK IN AND RESTART THAT PROCESS. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE AND NOT THETHE WAY TO GO. >> THANK YOU, MR. SHARP. NEXT UP, WE HAVE WOLFGANG LINK. [00:50:12] >> 2116 CEDAR STREET. I'M TENANT IN THE MARINA SINCE 12 YEARS. SO, I'VE GONE THROUGH HURRICANES AND THROUGH ALL DIFFERENT KIND OF MANAGEMENT COMPANIES. I THINK OASIS IS NOT CONTRIBUTING ANYTHING TO THE VALUE OF THE MARINA. I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING THE MARINA, THEY ARE ALL LOCALS. THEY HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE. AND TO USE TOOLS WHICH OASIS GIVES THEM, THE TOOLS WHERE I SENT MY MONEY TO, I CAN SEND TO THE CITY, NO PROBLEM. THE -- PEOPLE ARE BOOKING ON THE MARINA ON THIS -- WHERE WE PAY EXTRA -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, 70,000. I DO NOT KNOW. PEOPLE DO NOT USE THE -- SO MUCH. THEY PREFER TO CALL THE MARINA BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE NUMBER AND THEY HAVE DIRECT CONTACT. MY FRIENDS DO THAT ALL THE TIME. THEY GO TO THE MARINA OFFICE AND ASK -- AND THIS TIME THEY HAVE SPACE AVAILABLE. SO, MY OPINION IS OASIS SHOULD GO. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER POINT TO THIS. WE ALL ARE AWARE THAT A PROBLEM IN THE MARINA IS THE SEDIMENT. THERE WERE STUDIES AND STUDIES AND STUDIES. I READ A STUDY FROM 2009 OR SO FROM ATM, AND THEY SAID, THE REAL -- A GOOD WAY TO REDUCE THE DREDGING IS TO IMPROVE THE WATER FLOW IN THE MARINA. WE HAVE DONE THAT. THE DOCKS ARE NOW WITH THE WATER FLOW. IT'S NOT JUST REALLY -- AND WHAT I THINK WITH THIS PROJECT FOR THE SEA WALL, THE CITY HAS A GREAT CHANCE TO IMPROVE THE FLOW IN THE MARINA. THERE ARE -- AND I KNOW THAT FROM THE PAST, I HEARD AT THE CAFE 12 YEARS AGO -- >> IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> SO, THERE IS A WAY TO IMPROVE THE FLOW OF THE WATER IN THE MARINA BY REMOVING THE SEA WALLWALL PUSHING IT RIGHT HERE, FROM HERE TO HERE. IT'S NOT -- THAT IS NOT VERY FAR. IT WOULD GAIN LAND ON THE PARKING LOT SIDE. IT WOULD BE NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE A WALK BOARD BECAUSE IT WOULD BE -- THERE, AND THE FLOATING DOCKS, IT'S A LANDSLIDE, COULD BE ATTACHED TO THE WALL. SO, IF THAT IS NOT AN OPTION, IT'S FINE. THEN FOR FOR THE PROJECT AS IT IS GOING, IT SHOULD BE KEPT IN MIND THAT THE ACCESS TO THE MARINA DURING THE DEMOLITION OF BRETT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED AT ALL TIMES. -- MARINA. >> THANK YOU, MR. LINKER. >> SO, THESE ARE MY POINTS. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT UP WE HAVE MR. RICHARD DAMON. >> FOR THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING? ALL RIGHT. I DO HAVE A SECOND ONE FROM MR. MICHAEL SHARP, DO YOU WANT TO -- >> I ROLLED ALL MINE INTO ONE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> KEVIN MCCARTHY? >> GOOD EVENING. KEVIN MCCARTHY, 1701 CLINT DRIVE, FERNANDINA. AND I'M ALSO OWNER OF EMELIA RIVER CRUISING. YOU CAN SEE MY DOCK IS DOCK A. WE'VE BEEN NOW THERE 25 YEARS, AND 25 YEARS AGO, THERE WAS WATER ON THE INSIDE, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER. SMALL BITE LS COULD HAVE TIED UP THERE. SO, MOST OF THE FLOW ON OUR SIDE HAS BEEN BECAUSE OF BRETT'S BEING IN ITS LOCATION. AND IT'S ALSO BECAUSE PRIOR TO [00:55:02] MATTHEW, THE DOCKS WERE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, PERPENDICULAR TO THE -- OR THEY ARE NOW PERPENDICULAR TO THE CURRENT. AND THEY WERE HOLDING THE CURRENT FROM FLOWING THROUGH. AND THAT CAUSED A GREAT AMOUNT OF SILTING OVER THE YEARS. AND ALSO WHEN THEY BUILT THE MARINA ORIGINALLY, WHEN BRETT'S WAS CONSTRUCTED BACK IN THE '70S AND '80S, THEY ACTUALLY BUILT A WALL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MARINA, WHICH COMPLETELY RESTRICTED THE FLOW. AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT SILTING BUILT UP OVER THE YEARS AND IT'S STILL THERE TO THIS DAY. ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT WALL, THEY ONCE BUILT SHRIMP BOATS. AND BECAUSE THE WALL WAS BUILT, IT'S SILTED IN SO BADLY, THERE'S NO WATER THERE AT ALL AVERAGE LOW TIDE. MOST OF THE SILTING FROM OUR MARINA IS MAN MADE. WE RESTRICTED THE FLOW OVER THE YEARS. AND IF WE TOOK EVERYTHING OUT OF THERE TODAY, THE RIVER WOULD NATURALLY COME BACK AND THIS IS MY OPINION, WOULD HAVE DEPTH THROUGH THERE. SO, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO INCREASE THE FLOW. I KNOW THAT THE NEW MARINA CONFIGURATION HAS INCREASED IT SLIGHTLY. ON MY SIDE OF THE RIVER, THE WATER IS MAINTAINING. IT'S FAIRLY GOOD DEPTH. I HAVE ENOUGH WATER TO GET MY BOATS IN. I DO WHAT IS CALLED CROP WASH DREDGING. IT'S JUST WHEN I COME AND GO AND IT'S THE NATURAL WAY THAT IT WORKS. AND THE ONLY THING THAT'S KEEPING ME IN WITH WATER THERE IS MY CROP WASH DREDGING. THE MORE I MOVE, THE MORE THAT I KEEP THE WATER DEEP ENOUGH. SO, ANYHOW, ANYTTHAT WE PUT IN THE RIVER WILL RESTRICT SOME FLOW. EVEN IF IT'S ROUND, IT'S GOING TO RESTRICT SOME FLOW. SO, I LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST OPTION FIRST TO TRY THAT. YOU'D PROBABLY UPSET MY BUSINESS MORE THAN ANY OTHER BUSINESS IF YOU HAVE TO DO IT TWICE. BUT I THINK THE FIRST OPTION MIGHT BE THE BEST WAY TO MOVE AT THIS POINT. WHEN IT COMES TO OASIS, I WAS ON THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD WHEN WE CHOSE THEM MANY YEARS AGO. AND THEY CAME WITH A GREAT PLAN. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE DONE WHAT THEY PLANNED, WHAT THEY HOPED TO DO. SO, THE MARINA REALLY IS JUST, KIND OF, SITTING IN LIMBO AT THE MOMENT IN MY OPINION. THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES IT SO WORKABLE IS THE STAFF. THEY'RE KNOWLEDGEABLE AND THEY'RE LOCAL AND THEY'RE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OASIS. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY STAFF MEMBERS THAT I KNOW OF THAT ARE HERE ON A DAY-TO- DAY BASIS. IF THE CITY TOOK IT OVER -- AND I'VE LIVED WITH CITY- MANAGED MARINAS AND CONTRACTORS, AND IT DIDN'T MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE. IF YOU MUST CHANGE THAT, IT WOULDN'T BOTHER ME IN THE LEAST. >> THANK YOU, MR. MCCARTHY. LASTLY, WE HAVE MR. SCOTT ENGLIS. >> SCOTT ENGLIS, 61 OAK GROVE PLACE, FERNANDINA BEACH. AND I'M SPEAKING AS THE SHRIMP -- WELL, I'M THE SHRIMP FESTIVAL CHAIRMAN. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I AM THIS WEEK. WE ARE FULLY AWARE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING DOWN THERE, AND IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE SHRIMP FESTIVAL. I WOULD JUST ASK, BASED ON WHAT I LEARNED FROM LOTS C AND D AND DEALING WITH SHRIMP FESTIVAL AND LOT C AND D, THAT YOU KEEP THE REMOVAL AND REBUILD FOOTPRINT TO A MINIMUM AND PUT THAT IN A CONTRACT IN THE RFP. AND PLEASE ADJUST THE SAFETY FENCING TO ALLOW USE OF LOTS A AND B AND PUT THAT IN THE CONTRACT BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR FOR LOT C AND D WAS, LIKE, IT'S NOT IN MY CONTRACT TO MOVE MY FENCE. I'M NOT GOING TO MOVE IT. BUT YOU CAN PAY ME TO MOVE THE FENCE, AND I'LL MOVE IT. SO, WRITE A GOOD RFP WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND TRY TO KEEP IT TO A MINIMUM. AND THEN JUST PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT START THIS PROJECT TWO WEEKS BEFORE SHRIMP FESTIVAL BECAUSE I'VE GOT A STAGE TO MOVE AND I'VE GOT FOOD BOOTHS TO MOVE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, MR. ENGLIS. AND SEEING NO MORE REQUESTS TO * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.