[00:00:04] >> [LAUGHTER] TAKING IT OUT. >> ONE MORE TIME. >> WE'RE BACK, JUNE 26TH. [1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM] MEETING OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? >>MEMBER KOSACK? >> YES. >> MEMBER GASS? >> YES HERE. >> MEMBER BURNS. >> HERE. >> MEMBER SERTA SCHALLER. >> HERE. >> VICE CHAIR PRESENTER. >> HERE. >> CHAIR FOKOLF. >> HERE. >> PLEASE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. [NOISE] >> I'M WITH YOU. >> DO WE NEED TO SEE ANYBODY WE DO? WE OFFICIALLY NEED TO SEE MS. BURNS. IS EVERYBODY IN FAVOR NOW. >> YES,. >> YES. >>THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MS. BURNS. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> WHERE ARE WE NOW? WE HAVE HDC MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING. [3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES] DID EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM? >> YES. >> ANY CHANGES? >> NO. WE GOT A MOTION. >> SECOND. >> MOTION SECOND. >> PLEASE CALL ROLL. >> MEMBER GASS. >> YES. >> MEMBER BURNS. >> YES. >> VICE CHAIR PRESENTER. >> YES. >> CHAIR FOKOLF. >> YES. >> COULD I ASK EACH OF YOU IF YOU HAD ANY ANSWER ON COMMUNICATION. NOBODY? >> NO. >> I MET WITH STAFF ON 2025- 10. THAT'S ALL. >> THAT'S IT. >> I HAD NONE. >> I HAVE NONE. >> WE HAVE ONE CHAT. [LAUGHTER] >>THEY INVITED ME. [LAUGHTER] >> REPUTATION PROCEED. >> MR. POOL. I ASK YOU TO PRESENT THE JUDICIAL PROCEDURES WHILE WE STILL NORMAL. >> OF COURSE. FOR THE TWO ITEMS THAT WE HAVE GOVERNED BY OUR QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURES, THE DECISIONS BOARD WILL BE SPOT BY COMPETENCE AND ASSURANCE CAN BE PRESENTED IN THE FORM OF TESTIMONY, DOCUMENTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, PLANS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. ANYONE INTENDING TO GIVE TESTIMONY BEFORE THIS BOARD WILL NEED TO BE SWORN BY THE CLERK AND COULD BE SUBJECT TO CROSS EXAMINATION EITHER BY THE OTHER PARTY OR BY THE BOARD. WE'LL PROCEED WITH STAFF PRESENTING THEIR REPORT, AND THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE REPRESENTATIVE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS. ANYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH THE DECISION OF THIS BOARD WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL THAT DECISION BY FILING AN ACTION WITH THE NASSAU COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE RENDITION OF THE ORDER, AND THAT BECOMES FINAL UPON BEING SIGNED BY THE CHAIR, USUALLY WITHIN A DAY OR TWO. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURES IN EFFECT? >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD. >> ANYONE WHO EXPECTS TO TESTIFY TODAY, PLEASE RISE SO YOU CAN TESTIFY. >> RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. >> ARE YOU SPEAKING TO THEM? [LAUGHTER]. >> YOU NEED TO SWEAR. >> RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. >> COOL. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE READY FOR HDC CASE 2025-0009. [4.1 HDC 2025-0009 - RICE ARCHITECTS, AGENT FOR BILLIE STILLWELL LIVING TRUST, 27 S. 5TH STREET FINAL Certificate of Approval (COA) to remove an existing shed, add an ADA ramp, relocate an existing door at the rear of the property, and repaint the exterior structure. (Quasi-Judicial).] >> I'LL JUST BEGIN WITH A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE CASE, AND THEN WE'LL INVITE THE APPLICANT UP TO DISCUSS. THIS IS A RETURNING CASE, HEC 2025-0009 AT 27 SOUTH 5TH STREET. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING FINAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN ADA RAMP. THIS IS RIGHT HERE. RELOCATE THE REAR DOOR. WE'RE USING THE SAME DOOR, AS WELL AS PAINT THE BUILDING GREEN AND WHITE. THESE COLORS IN HERE, AND THE SCREENING EXAMPLE IS THERE. THESE ARE SOME ELEVATIONS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. THEN I ZOOMED INTO THE ADA RAMP AREA AS WELL AS THE SCREENED MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. [00:05:02] THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING FINAL APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? >> I COULDN'T SEE ON THE PLAN WHERE THE DOOR IS AND WHERE IT'S RELOCATING TO. [NOISE] >> THE DOOR IS, I'M TRYING TO SEE. THERE'S A ROOM RIGHT HERE, MY MOUSE IS NOT SHOWING UP ON THERE. THE DOOR IS RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW, AND THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE IT OVER HERE. ACTUALLY, SORRY. THE DOOR IS RIGHT HERE FACING THIS WAY, AND THEY'RE MOVING IT HERE. >> YOU KNOW HOW WIDE THAT DOOR IS? >> I DO NOT. >> I SAW NOTES ON MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, BUT I DON'T SEE IT NOTED SPECIFICALLY ON THERE. THEN IT IS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING. >> HE ORIGINALLY HAD THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT OVER HERE ON THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT IT REQUIRES TO BE FIVE FOOT OFFSET. HE MOVED THE ENCLOSURE OVER HERE. THEN THIS IS THE NOTATION FOR THE PROPOSED HVAC UNIT. >> A BUNCH OF ISSUES QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AND I THINK IT'S QUESTIONS FOR WHETHER THE APPLICANT OR THE ARCHITECT OR WHOMEVER. I DON'T THINK IT'S QUESTIONS THAT THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER, SO WHATEVER. >> DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COULD THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD, MR. GLISSON MOVE. [LAUGHTER] HE'S GOOD THAT WAY. >> JOAN VASQUEZ WITH RACE ARCHITECT? I DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK. >> THE ADDRESS PLEASE. >> KINGSMAN, GEORGIA. [NOISE] >> HI. THANK YOU FOR TONIGHT. I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF ISSUES THERE, AND I'M CONCERNED THAT I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT, AND I THINK IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE HAVE THIS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY DOWNTOWN. IT'S NOT THAT, BUT IN TERMS OF HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY. THERE'S ISSUES HERE THAT ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK AS IT MOVES FORWARD UNLESS YOU MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS, AND I'LL GO THROUGH IT. BUT I BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME WITH MR. AIKENS, BUT I DON'T PERHAPS HE DIDN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND OR UNDERSTAND IT. THERE ARE SPECIFIC CLEARANCES THAT ARE REQUIRED AT THE ENTRANCE, WHERE IT SAYS WHERE HE'S NOTED OR WHERE YOU'VE NOTED AND THE DRAWING I'M LOOKING AT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THAT JUST SAYS EXISTING DOOR WHERE THE HANDICAP RAM THE WHEELCHAIR SYMBOLS. BUT THE DRAWING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SAYS 30 BY 68 EXISTING DOOR OPENING. A 30 INCH WIDE DOOR DOES NOT MEET ADA COMPLIANCE. >> THERE ARE 6, 08, A 3 FOOT. >>THREE. IT'S ACTUALLY IS 30. THE DOOR IS THREE FEET. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> BY 6, 8. ALL RIGHT, WELL, THEN THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT. I'M SURPRISED BECAUSE THAT DOOR DOES NOT LOOK THAT WIDE. IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN THAT'S WONDERFUL. MY CONCERN IS THAT THE HEAD ROOM CLEARANCE FOR THE RAMP AT THE TOP OF THAT LANDING IN THAT LOCATION. >> IT'S GOOD. >> WHAT IS IT? >> I THINK THAT PORTION OF THE WAS AT 9 FEET. >> IT SLOPES DOWN CONSIDERABLY. >> IT MEETS A 6, 8 MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. BECAUSE I WAS VERY CAREFUL. >> I KNOW IT'S SUPER TIGHT. >> THE HEAD OFF THERE, BECAUSE IT DOES LOOK TIGHT. >> BY THE TIME THAT YOU GET UP TO THAT PORTION OF THE RAMP, YOU HAVE THE 6, 8 CLEARANCE. >> AT THE BACK WHERE THE SWITCH BACK IS ON THE RAMP, IT WORKS AS WELL? >> YEAH. >> THAT WORKS, THEN THAT'S GREAT, BECAUSE NOW, AND HOW ARE YOU MODIFYING THAT I MEAN, THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL EXISTING DOOR AND A BEAUTIFUL EXISTING PORCH? HOW ARE YOU MODIFYING THAT DOOR TO MAKE IT HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE? >> IN WHAT SENSE? >> LIKE HARDWARE, CLOSERS, ALL OF THAT. LIKE HOW MUCH DAMAGE IS GOING TO BE DONE TO THAT DOOR TO MAKE IT HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY THE DOOR SWINGS RIGHT NOW. YOU NEED THE PUSH SIDE CLEARANCE, THE OTHER SIDE. JUST BECAUSE THE INFORMATION IS NOT HERE. >> WE DO HAVE. [OVERLAPPING] >>IT'S INWARD. >> CAN YOU COME UP, PLEASE. >> COME TO THE BARRIER AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. [00:10:02] >> SORRY. HI, SARAH FRA 27 SOUTH 5TH STREET AT THE MOMENT. IT SWINGS INWARD. THEN IF THERE WERE ANY CLEARANCE ISSUES WITH ADA, WE WOULD JUST TAKE THE DOOR OFF THE HINGES AND MAKE IT OPEN BECAUSE IT IS A PORT. IT'S NOT AN ENTRY WASTE. THERE'S NO AC, NOTHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S UNLIKELY. AT THE MOMENT, THE CLEARANCE IS PROPER BECAUSE IT SWINGS INWARD. >> IS THE HINGE ON THE EAST OR WEST SIDE? LEFT OR RIGHT ON THE DRAWING. >> LEFT. I BELIEVE. BUT I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S LEFT. >> IF IT'S ON THE LEFT, SO IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE AND IT SWINGS IN AND YOU'VE GOT. >> I'M SO SORRY. I MISSPOKE. SORRY, I'M NOT THINKING OF THE STRUCTURE. IT'S ON THE RIGHT SIDE. IT SWINGS THIS WAY. >> TO IT'S EAST? >> YES. >> THEN THAT DOESN'T WORK. WE NEED 18" CLEAR. >> WELL, THE OTHER OPTION WE HAD WAS. [OVERLAPPING] >> TIGHTEN INCHES. WE COULD ALWAYS ADJUST THE RAMP TO MOVE BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO GET THE 18 INCH CLEAR. THAT'S WHERE WE CAN SWITCH THE SIDE ON THE DOOR. >> AS LONG AS YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT ACTUALLY DOES WORK. >> WOULD THERE BE ANYONE OPPOSED TO US REMOVING JUST TAKING THE DOOR OFF THE HINGES? IT ISN'T AFFECTING, LIKE I SAID, THE ACTUAL ENTRYWAY TO THE PROPERTY. IT'S A PORCH STORE. >> I WOULD THINK THAT YOU SHOULD KEEP THE DOOR IN PLACE FOR WHETHER IT'S A CONTROLLED CLIMATE CONTROLLED SPACE OR NOT, YOU'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF ISSUES BY JUST HAVING THAT BE TOTALLY OPEN. I WOULD THINK THAT KEEPING THAT DOOR IN PLACE WOULD BE BETTER. >> CATS MIGHT COME HOME. >> EVERYTHING MIGHT COME HOME. IF THAT WORKS, THEN THAT'S GREAT, BECAUSE THAT WAS MY CONCERN BECAUSE THAT WASN'T CLEAR. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> IN TERMS OF EGRESS, AND AGAIN, THIS IS PROBABLY BEYOND HDC, BUT AGAIN, I DO UNDERSTAND THE CODE. IN TERMS OF EGRESS OUT OF THE BACK, THE COFFEE YARD, HOW MANY OCCUPANTS DO YOU HAVE BACK THERE? DO YOU HAVE PROPER EGRESS OUT OF THAT SPACE? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE SPACE BETWEEN THE END OF THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RAMP, WHERE THE WORD SAYS, CARPORT COVERED. LIKE THAT NEEDS TO BE AN EGRESS POINT OUT FROM THE BACK. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TWO MEANS OF EGRESS OUT OF THAT BACK AREA, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT IT WITH ALL THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING THERE. IT'S SOMETHING YOU DEFINITELY GOT TO LOOK AT. >> IT'S ABOUT A 3 FOOT. >> ALLEY KIND OF NEXT. >> THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT IT. YOU MAY NEED TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS IN THAT BACK SPACE SO THAT YOU MAY ONLY HAVE ONE TRUE MEANS OF EGRESS THERE. >> WHICH AIN'T THE OCCUPANT LOADS GOING TO BE PRETTY SMALL. >> IT'S NOT THE TURTLE. >> I DON'T KNOW. IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THAT SPACE. THERE'S NOTHING DIMENSION THERE. IT'S JUST HARD TO TELL. >> WELL, I THINK BECAUSE THE COLUMNS FOR THE CARPORT ROOF HAVEN'T BEEN RENDERED ON THE PLAN. I DON'T HAVE NOWHERE NEAR 3 FEET TO GET AROUND THAT. >> NO. >> THOSE COLUMNS ARE IN THAT EGRESS ALLEY. >> BUT THAT'S REALLY AN INCOMPLETE PLAN. >> I MEAN, IF THAT OUTDOOR SPACE IS BASICALLY ENCLOSED, LIKE ON ALL AND DEPENDING IF IT'S 50 OR MORE OCCUPANTS BY SQUARE FOOTAGE, NOT BY THE NUMBER OF TABLES, THEN YOU NEED TOO MEANS OF EGRESS. >> WOULD THAT NEED TO BE ADA ALSO? BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, IF THOSE COLUMNS ARE IN THE WAY, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET ADA BACK THERE. BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT STEPS OUT OF THAT. >> SARAH TELLS ME THAT THE OCCUPANT LOAD RIGHT NOW FROM WHICH IS CALCULATED IS 45. >> THAT'S BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE. NOT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF TABLES. >> YES. >> BUT THERE'S NO ADA ACCESS TO THAT BACK AREA TO THE EXTERIOR. >> IT'S PAVED IS THE ONLY THING I COULD. >> BUT THERE'S NO, LIKE, YOU CAN'T FIT A WHEELCHAIR DOWN TO THE LEFT OF THE RAMP. THERE'S WHERE IT SAYS CARPORT COVERED. THERE'S ACTUALLY COLUMNS THERE FROM THE CARPORT. THAT'S ACTUALLY, YOU CAN'T EVEN WALK BACK THERE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING. >> THROUGH THE BUILDING. >> THE BACK AREA BECAUSE THE WIDTH OF THE RAMP. >> YOU HAVE THESE COLUMNS, SO THAT RAMP IS LIKE ALMOST TUCKING UP TO THOSE BATTERED COLUMNS. >> ALL YOU HAVE MAYBE 16" OUTSIDE THE COLUMN. >> YOU DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN TO TAKE THE COLUMNS DOWN, DID YOU? BASED ON THESE PLANS AND THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY DOABLE. >> THAT'S A CRITICAL THING TO HAVE ON THERE TO SUBMIT THE PLANT. >> THEY NEED TO SEE THOSE COLUMNS IN THERE. [00:15:04] >> WE COULD ABSOLUTELY COME BACK WITH THE COLUMNS. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK FOR THIS MEETING IS WE WOULD LOVE TO GET STARTED PAINTING. I KNOW LAST TIME WE HAD A EXPLOSION FOR THE SHED, A SEPARATE BOAT. IF POSSIBLE, I WOULD LOVE TO REQUEST THAT, IF NOT, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WE WERE A LITTLE UNDER-PREPARED IN TERMS OF THE COLUMNS, AND THE RAMP, AND WE'RE WILLING TO ALSO, I BELIEVE, MR. HAGENS HAD PROPOSED A LONGER AND SKINNIER RAMP, AND ADDING A SEPARATE DOORWAY, SO WE COULD GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD WITH HIM REGARDING THAT. THE MOST I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS JUST GETTING ONE STEP FORWARD, WHICH WOULD BE PAINTING. YEAH, I'D JUST LOVE TO MAKE SOME PROGRESS. >> I DON'T TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE PAINT COLORS, THE RAMP CAN'T NARROWER IN TERMS OF THE CLEAR WIDTH. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A 42-INCH CLEAR WIDTH, IT'S THE WALKABLE SPACE. THAT RAMP IS GOING TO BE WIDER THAN 42 TIMES 284 INCHES. THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THAT WHOLE. SO IF HE'S LOOKING AT ONE POTENTIALLY LONG RAMP WITH A LANDING IN BETWEEN SOMEWHERE, THAT MOVES ALL THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. THERE'S SOME WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE. IT'S NOT TOTALLY THOUGHT OUT YET. >> CAN WE JUST MAKE THE RAMP LIKE A STRAIGHT RUN, AND PUSH THE GATE DOWN, AND JUST MOVE FORWARD AND GET THE APPROVAL, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. >> IT'S NOT STRAIGHTFORWARD, THOUGH. BUT IT'S NOT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALL. >> A FURTHER DOWN. >> THE DOCUMENTS, THESE ARE NOT ACCURATE DOCUMENTS AT THIS POINT, AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT WELL PLANNED OUT, AND THERE'S INFORMATION MISSING ON THE DRAWING LIKE THE COLUMNS, SO IT DOESN'T WORK AT THIS POINT. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, AND I DO, BUT IT'S NOT ALL THERE. >> THE OTHER THING TO THAT POINT, ON THIS RAMP, IF YOU LOOK WHERE IT SAYS 42 INCH MINIMUM CLEARANCE, THAT HAS THAT SWITCHBACK. THEN IT'S SHOWING THE SEVEN FOOT, THE 7.0, THAT'S NOT RIGHT, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE DIVIDING MEMBERS. >> THE STRUCTURE THERE. >> YEAH, PLUS THE PICKETS, AND SO IT'S JUST NOT ACCURATE. SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT AN ACCURATE PLAN. WE'D LOVE FOR YOU TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. THAT'S JUST FOR THE PROTECTION OF FUTURE PROJECTS, AND REALLY FOR YOURSELF, KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING OUT THERE. >> BASICALLY, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS BECAUSE THE PLANS ARE NOT ACCURATE, THIS BOARD IS NOT IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT. BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN SHOWING WHAT YOU WILL DO IF YOU WENT STRAIGHT THROUGH THE GATE, WE CAN'T APPROVE THAT EITHER. SO YOUR QUESTION IS: CAN WE APPROVE PAINTING NOW? >> YEAH, I THINK SO. ABSOLUTELY. >> OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS YOU WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THE PLANS SO THAT THEY'RE TECHNICALLY ACCURATE SHOWING WHERE YOUR RAMP IS, THE SIZE OF IT, WHERE THE COLUMNS ARE, AND WHETHER YOU HAVE A WALKWAY BETWEEN THAT RAMP, AND THE COLUMNS TO GET TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO THEN IS TO CONTINUE THIS PART OF THE CASE, BUT GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE PAINT. >> CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION JUST FOR FUTURE FOR YOUR NEXT PLAN? >> IS IT THE INTENT WHERE THE RAMP GOES TO THAT EXISTING DOOR WITH THE RED CONCRETE STEPS, ARE YOU OVER BUILDING THOSE STEPS? >> YEAH. >> THEY WILL REMAIN, YOU'RE NOT DEALING [INAUDIBLE]. >> [INAUDIBLE] AND WE JUST SPILLED OVER IT, YEAH. >> THEN ONE OTHER THING, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IF EVERYBODY PULLS UP THE STAFF REPORT, AND IF YOU GO TO THE MIDDLE PAGE, ON IT THERE IS A RENDERING THAT SHOWS THE LACK OF ACCESS, I MARKED IT, OR SOMEBODY DID. >> YOU HAVE COLUMNS OVER THERE. >> YOU HAVE STREET ELEVATION IN 3D. YOU CAN SEE HOW, THERE'S NO WAY A WHEELCHAIR CAN GET IN, MAYBE A CHILD COULD FIT THROUGH THERE. BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT. >> WELL, I THINK THE TAKEAWAY FOR YOU GUYS, I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH A STRAIGHT RUN RAMP, THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR BEST WAY IN, BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO ALLOW YOU A WAY FOR ADA ACCESS TO THE BACK COFFEE YARD, [00:20:06] WHICH I THINK WILL BE IMPORTANT. BECAUSE YOU WANT TO HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE ABLE TO VISIT AS POSSIBLE. >> IN CASE, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, YOU DON'T HAVING TO RUN UP THE STEPS THROUGH THE BUILDING TO GET OUT. >> RIGHT. >> BUT I THINK I SAID THIS LAST TIME, YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO KNOW HOW BIG THOSE MECHANICAL UNITS ARE, BECAUSE SOME OF THEM CAN GET JUST GIGANTIC. THAT MIGHT START BLOCKING OFF THINGS THAT YOU WERE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO USE. I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY WISE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE SIZE OF THOSE SO YOU PLAN FOR THEM ACCORDINGLY. >> REQUESTED FOR THE NEXT MEETING. >> IT'S PART OF THE DESIGN FOR SURE. >> IT'S PART OF THE CONTINUANCE. WHETHER YOU CAN GET THOSE DONE BY THE NEXT MEETING OR MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT IS REALLY UP TO STAFF. >> MIA? >> IT'S MECHANICAL. >> I LIKE THE COVERING THAT WE HAD, IT WAS PRETTY BIG. EVEN I KNOW THAT COMMERCIAL HAS USUALLY BIGGER UNITS, BUT THAT AREA IS PRETTY BIG. >> THAT AREA IS BIG, BUT WHEN YOU RUN THAT RAMP STRAIGHT BACK, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THIS. >> YEAH, WE MIGHT HAVE TO TRIM IT UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT STILL EVEN THEN IT'S PRETTY BIG. >> I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A LOT MORE DIMENSIONS ON THESE DRAWINGS. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION MISSING, AND IT'S NOT THAT THIS DESIGN IS NOT COMPLETE. IF THERE WAS MORE SPACE ON THE PROPERTY, THEN WE'D BE LIKE, "YEAH, WE CAN APPROVE THIS." IT WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE. BUT I THINK THAT THESE ELEMENTS ARE GOING TO AFFECT THE DESIGN AND THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE BUILDING, AND THAT'S MY CONCERN. >> DO YOU MIND IF I HAVE A PETITION? >> YEAH. >> WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO INCLUDE WITHIN THE PAINT VOTE, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE DOOR, THE EXTERIOR BACK DOOR MOVING THREE FEET OR SO? THE ONLY REASON WE ENDED UP HAVING TO DO THAT WAS JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE SPACE. WE NEEDED A LITTLE MORE COUNTER ROOM WHERE WE'RE OPENING OUR COUNTER, AND THE DOOR WAS IMPEDING ON THAT. IT IS A BACK DOOR. IT DOESN'T FACE A STREET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? >> SO ARE YOU ASKING IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT NOW? >> YES, OR MORE SO IF THAT CAN BE INCLUDED, IF WE WERE DOING SEPARATE VOTES WITH THE PAINT DISCUSSION, OR IF ANYONE HAD ANYTHING TO BRING UP THAT WE NEED TO BRING TO NEXT MEETING REGARDING THAT. >> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH YOU, BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING THE SAME DOOR AND YOU'RE PUTTING IN A NEW LOCATION, AND IT ACTUALLY IS A LOCATION THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE. >> IS THAT LITTLE BUMP OUT THAT WILL BECOME THE EMPLOYEE BATH, IS THAT THERE NOW? >> YES. >> THEN THAT'S WHERE THAT DOOR IS ON PART, WHERE IS THE EXISTING DOOR? >> IF YOU SEE COVERED BACK PORCH, THERE'S A BIT OF A DOORWAY. >> THAT'S THE NEW LOCATION. >> THE ONLY PLAN IS TO MOVE IT JUST A LITTLE BIT UP. >> OH, THAT'S THE EXISTING LOCATIONS? THAT'S SHALLOW, OKAY. YOU'RE GOING TO JUST MOVE IT? >> IT ONLY NEEDS LIKE TWO FEET, BUT IT'S THE SAME EXACT PORCH, SAME EXACT WALL. NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE HAD ANY ISSUES. >> WE ARE USING THE SAME DOOR. >> IS EVERYBODY ALL RIGHT WITH THAT PROPOSAL? DO YOU HAVE IT? SHE WAS? WAS SHE? >> YEAH, SHE WAS. >> YOU STOOD UP TO BE SWORN IN, RIGHT? >> I DID NOT, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO. >> OKAY. GOOD CATCH, PAT. >> BUT I'M HAPPY TO. >> COULD YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND/OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> I DO. >> AND CAN YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ALL OF THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED TO DAY IS PROVABLE? >> I DO. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU BOTH. ALL RIGHT. ANY CONCERNS ABOUT MOVING THE DOOR AND REPAINTING BEFORE THEY COME BACK FOR THE OTHER CHANGES? >> I THINK AS FAR AS SPLITTING THINGS UP, WE SHOULD JUST SAY YEAH ON THE PAINTING'S PRETTY EASY. BUT I THINK AS FAR AS THE DOOR, I'D LIKE THE DRAWINGS TO SHOW WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A DASHED LINE TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHERE THE EXISTING DOOR IS, NOW IT'S GOING TO MOVE OVER HERE. >> YEAH, AND WE DON'T HAVE A PHOTO OR ANYTHING ON THE BACK. >> THE PLAN DOESN'T INDICATE WHERE IT IS, IT JUST IDENTIFIES THAT ONE IS THE EMPLOYEE BATH, AND THE OTHER IS COVERED BACK PORCH, SO THE DOORS. SO MAYBE THEY CAN PAINT EVERYTHING EXCEPT THAT BACK WALL. >> THIS IS JUST ME. >> A LOT OF INFORMATION IS MISSING FROM THE YARD. >> ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'VE HAMMERED THAT. [00:25:02] SO IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH TAKING TWO VOTES? I NEED A MOTION TO SAY THAT IT'S ALL RIGHT FOR THEM TO GO AHEAD AND START PAINTING. >> OKAY. I CAN DO THAT. >> OKAY. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE, I OUGHT TO SAY THE PROPOSED PAINT COLORS FOR CASE NUMBER HDC 2025-0009 WITHOUT CONDITIONS, AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE HDC 2025-009 AS PRESENTED REGARDING THE PAINT COLORS IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. >> SECOND. >> YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. YOU SHOULD CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> MEMBER KOSACK? >> YES. >> MEMBER GASS? >> YES. >> MEMBER BURNS? >> YES. >> VICE CHAIR POZZETTA? >> YES. >> CHAIR FOKOLF? >> YES. NOW WE NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION WORK. DO YOU WANT THAT TO BE FOR THE NEXT MEETING? IS IT POSSIBLE TO DELAY LONGER THAN THE NEXT MEETING, OR DO YOU NEED IT TO BE? >> I THINK THE REAL QUESTION IS WHEN IS THE DUE DATE FOR NEXT MEETING? >> THE DUE DATE FOR JULY HAS ALREADY PASSED, BUT USUALLY FOR CONTINUING CASES, WE GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY SINCE THAT WINDOW IS SO SMALL. >> SO AIKENS HAD A 10-DAY EXTENSION LAST TIME? >> A 10-DAY EXTENSION? >> TO CONTINUE IT TO THE JULY MEETING; IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? OKAY. I'M LOOKING TO STAFF TO TELL ME IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE DEADLINE. >> OKAY. >> WE WILL NEED IT BY JULY 7TH. >> IS THAT DOABLE? JULY 7TH? >> IT IS. >> OKAY. SO WE NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE JULY MEETING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION COMPONENTS OF THIS PLAN, RIGHT? >> OKAY. >> I NEED A MOTION. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE CASE NUMBER HDC 2025-0009 TO THE JULY MEETING OF THE HDC COUNCIL. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> WHO SECONDED? SORRY. >> GASS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? >> MEMBER KOSACK? >> YES. >> MEMBER GASS? >> YES. >> MEMBER BURNS? >> YES. >> VICE CHAIR POZZETTA? >> YES. >> CHAIR FOKOLF? >> YES. >> OKAY. >> SO STRAIGHT RUN GATE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN, AND WE'RE GOOD? >> I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. >> YEAH, OF COURSE. >> IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE. YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT EGRESS OUT OF THE BACK. THERE'S EVERYTHING THAT WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THEN THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED, SO IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND LISTEN TO WHAT WAS SAID, OH, YOU GOT IT ALREADY, BECAUSE YOUR [INAUDIBLE] >> WELL, I'VE ABUSED IT A LOT, BUT IT'S STILL WORKING. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS NEXT MEETING THEN. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE CLOSER THAN YOU'VE EVER BEEN. HAVE FUN PAINTING. OKAY. WE'RE MOVING ON NOW TO HDC CASE 2025-0010 CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH. [5.1 HDC2025-0010 - CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, N. 2ND STREET RIGHT OF WAY Certificate of Approval (COA) to add streetscape improvements to the rights-of-way of North 2nd Street between Alachua Street and Broome Street to increase parking spaces and sidewalk width. (QuasiJudicial).] >> THIS CASE, AND THE FIRST ITEM UNDER BOARD BUSINESS WILL BOTH BE PRESENTED BY MR. GLISSON. HE REQUESTED TO HAVE THE PROJECTS UPDATE BEFORE THE CASE. I'M JUST GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO HIM FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MINUTES TO GO THROUGH HIS PRESENTATION AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE? >> GOOD EVENING. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. IF YOU COULD GET A PODIUM CONTROL, PLEASE, THAT'D BE HELPFUL. MIA. THANK YOU. >> I THINK YOU CAN HAVE THIS. >> PERFECT. >> JEREMIAH GLISSON, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER FOR CITY OF FERNANDINA 204 ASH STREET. IT'S BEEN A WHILE. I MISSED THE LAST QUARTERLY REPORT. I'M JUST SUPER VIDING OUR QUARTERLY REPORT ON PROJECT UPDATES THAT'S GOING ON HERE IN ANYTHING THAT WOULD IMPACT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AREA. SO I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT TODAY, AND WE WILL WE GO. WE'LL GET STARTED. LOTS HAPPENING IN THE DOWNTOWN, SPECIFICALLY, AND A COUPLE OF OTHER AREAS, SO WE'LL TOUCH ON SOME OF THOSE HERE THIS EVENING. FIRST AND FOREMOST, LAST TIME I WAS HERE, ALACHUA WAS NOT OPEN, AND IT IS NOW. SO ABSOLUTELY, CHAIR FOKOLF, [00:30:04] I THINK WAS MAYOR FILKOFF WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS BEING DISCUSSED OR PERMIT. >> I SAW SOME STUFF JUST EARLIER TODAY. 2015, WE GOT A PERMIT AND WELL, IT'S OPEN, ONLY 10. LAST TIME WE MET, THE VAULTS WERE STILL THERE. THIS IS THE AERIAL OF THE VERY CHALLENGING AND COMPLICATED OPENING OF THAT PROJECT, STORMWATER, ELECTRICAL, A VERY COMPLICATED CHAMBER SYSTEM UNDERNEATH THE ROAD, COORDINATION OF THE RAILROAD, THE NEW TRACKS, ELEVATION CHANGES, PROVIDING NEW SERVICES FOR EVENTUAL DEVELOPMENT ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS OPENING AND THEN OF COURSE, LANDSCAPING, SIDEWALKS PAVING. >> PARKING. >> INCREASED PARKING WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND THAT PICTURE THERE ON THE RIGHT IS THE COMPLETED PROJECT. NOW, WE STILL HAVE SOME WORK TO BE DONE. THERE'LL BE BOLLARDS THAT WILL GO ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF FRONT STREET, YOU SEE WHERE THOSE BARRICADES ARE AT. IT NOW OPENS UP TO, HEY, LET'S JUST DUKES OF HAZZARD INTO THE RIVER SO INCLINED. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AND THEN WE'LL MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR PROPERTY THERE, WHICH IS WHERE YOU SEE THOSE BARRICADES AT THE VERY TOP RIGHT-HAND PORTION OF THE SCREEN. THAT'S 101 NORTH FRONT STREET. THAT'S A CITY PROPERTY, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME IDEAS TO IMPROVE THAT AREA SINCE NOW IT'S RIGHT THERE WITHIN THE [INAUDIBLE] CORRIDOR. THE PROJECT IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE, BUT WE STILL GOT SOME FINISHING TOUCHES. THE FENCING WENT UP YESTERDAY AND TODAY ALONG THE NORTHERN SIDE OF ALACHUA THERE. WE'RE MAKING SOME TWO WEEKS AND IMPROVEMENTS. NEXT WILL BE THE LIGHTHOUSE RESTORATION. WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE THIS PROJECT NEAR COMPLETION. AT LEAST THIS FIRST PHASE. THIS IS IN PROGRESS. WORK SHOULD BE DONE HERE ANOTHER 2-3 WEEKS. THIS IS FULLY FUNDED THROUGH REALLY, IT'S NOT JUST A STATE APPROPRIATION OF 500,000. ALSO THE FLORIDA LIGHTHOUSE ASSOCIATION WAS A GRANT THAT HELPED MAKE THIS PROJECT HAPPEN. THIS WAS REALLY PRESERVING THE EXTERIOR, A STRIP OF THE EXTERIOR COATING SYSTEM, DOING A LOT OF CRACK REPAIR, AND THEN VENTILATING THE BUILDING. WE HAD SOME MOISTURE DELAYS, A LOT OF DELAYS RELATED TO FLORIDA HUMIDITY, A LOT OF THE RAIN THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR, AND IT'S A FOUR-FOOT THICK WALL SYSTEM. IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO DRY OUT. WE'RE DOING OUR SITE VISIT TOMORROW, A CHECKLIST TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING A PUNCH LIST, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS DONE, AND THEY'LL BE DEMOBILIZING IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. UNFORTUNATELY, THE FUNDING REQUEST FOR '25-'26 HAS BEEN DENIED AT A STATE LEVEL. WE WERE RANKED NUMBER 3. THEY COULDN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT TO FUND. THEY SAID WE JUST WON'T FUND ANYTHING IS WHAT WE'RE HEARING. >> WHAT WAS THAT GOING TO GO TOWARDS? >> THE INTERIOR WORK. THAT WILL BE NEXT. BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'VE PRESERVED THE EXTERIOR, NO LONGER LEAKING INTO THE BUILDING. WE'LL WAIT A YEAR OR, PURSUE OTHER FUNDING OPTIONS, SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. BUT THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO GO IN THERE AND REDO THE STAIRCASE, AND THEN ALSO SELECTIVE BRICK REPLACEMENT AND A REPOINTING OF THE INTERIOR. THAT WILL BE THE NEXT PHASE, BUT AT LEAST WE STOPPED IT FROM LEAKING. WE'RE HAPPY TO OPEN IT BACK UP. WE'LL LIKELY DO A LITTLE RIBBON CUTTING HERE IN A FEW WEEKS TO OPEN IT BACK UP FOR TOURS. NEXT, NOT REALLY RIGHT HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT HAS A IMPACT ON THE DOWNTOWN, WAS THE ESCAMBIA SLOUGH REMOVAL. THIS WAS THE REMOVAL OF ESCAMBIA STREET, UNIMPROVED RIGHT AWAY JUST NORTH OF HERE NEAR THE PORT. THAT PROJECT IS COMPLETE, AND THAT WAS REMOVING SEVERAL 100 FEET OF UNIMPROVED ROAD TO IMPROVE THE TIDAL FLOW AND STORM RECOVERY. THAT'S A MID-YEAR PROJECT THAT WE FINALLY GOT TO GO AHEAD FROM THE REGULATORY AGENCIES AND MADE THAT HAPPEN. MEMBER KOSACK HERE WAS A CHAMPION OF THIS ONE, I KNOW. THANK YOU FOR HELPING PUSH US ALONG. DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION, THIS PROJECT IS STILL IN DESIGN THAT SLOWED A BIT, LARGELY DUE TO A LACK OF A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE. WE HAD ABOUT 1.1 MILLION SET ASIDE TO BEGIN, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO JUST BEGIN. WE WANT TO BEGIN AND FINISH. IT'S IN DESIGN. CENTER STREET AND SECOND STREETS ARE COMPLETE. THE REMAINING DESIGN AND ENGINEER SIDE STREETS, THIRD STREET ON DOWN TO SEVENTH STREET. WE HAD THAT LAST CHANGE ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, BUT WE'RE WAITING TO SEE HOW THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DECIDE HOW TO FUND THIS. IF WE LEARNED ANYTHING FROM THE REFRESH THAT WAS DONE IN THE LATE '90S, EARLY 2000S, IS IF YOU DON'T START WITH THE COMMITMENT TO FUNDING, THEN YOU WON'T COMPLETE. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, WHICH IS WHY. SECOND, THIRD AND FOURTH STREET UTILITIES ARE UNDERGROUND, AND THEY PUT IN THE NEW HARDSCAPE, AND IT STOPPED THERE. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE SUCH A MIX OF HARDSCAPE AND UTILITIES AND LANDSCAPING EVEN JUST OVERALL STREET SCAPE IS BECAUSE THAT PROJECT FAILED TO MOVE IT TO THE FINISH LINE. NEXT, I'M SURE YOU ARE ALL AWARE OF THE BRETT'S DEMOLITION AND REDEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A CITY COMMISSION'S TOP PRIORITY THIS YEAR. WE ARE RIGHT NOW IN THE DISCOVERY PHASE, [00:35:01] EVALUATION OF REPLACEMENT CONCEPTS, DETERMINING HOW TO FUND THE DEMOLITION REPLACEMENT, ENGAGEMENT, A SURVEY WENT OUT. I HAD A TOWN HALL EARLIER THIS WEEK TO ALSO DISCUSS WITH THE COMMUNITY. THE NEXT WORKHOLDER SCHEDULED TO GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION AT THE JULY 1ST MEETING NEXT WEEK IS THE FIRST STEPS IN DEMOLITION. IT'S A VERY COMPLEX PROJECT. THE BUILDING IS 80% OVER WATER, 20% ON LAND, OVER TWO SECTIONS OF BULKHEAD, SEAWALL THAT ARE FAILING. THE SERVICES TO THE ENTIRE MARINA AROUND THAT BUILDING. IT'S THE HEART OF A ACTIVE MARINA. IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING PROJECT TO DO THE DEMOLITION, OF COURSE, YOU NEED FEDERAL STATE APPROVAL, ARMY CORPS APPROVAL FOR DOING WORK OVER THE WATER, AND THEN HOW TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN MARINA SERVICE DURING THIS PROJECT. TO MAINTAIN FUELING AND MAKE SURE THE MARINA IS STILL OPERATIONAL, YOU HAVE TO RELOCATE A LOT OF SERVICES, YOU HAVE TO REHAB THE BOARDWALK ON THE SOUTHERN END. THIS IS JUST A SKETCH OF WHAT I KNOW IT'S NOT ALL LEGIBLE, BUT THIS IS JUST A SKETCH OF ALL THE THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN JUST TO BE PREPARED TO DO A DEMOLITION. WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW IS PERMITTING, THAT WOULD GO TO THE ARMY CORP, BECAUSE THAT'S A LENGTHY PROCESS, RELOCATION OF FUELING FACILITY, DESIGN OF THE BULKHEAD THAT WILL GO UNDERNEATH IT, DESIGN FOR THE DEMOLITION, AND THEN ALSO DESIGN OF RE-HAVING AND ELEVATING THE SOUTHERN BOARDWALK. THAT IS THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE. IF YOU SEE MY MOUSE THERE OVER HERE. IT'S A WIDE BOARDWALK ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF BRETT'S, AND THAT WILL BE RAISED, AND THAT WILL FACILITATE ALL THE SERVICES FOR THE MARINA BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LARGELY SPLIT AROUND BRETT'S. THEN THE DEMOLITION WILL OCCUR WITH THE CRANE BEING POSITIONED HERE AND THE DEMOLITION OF THE FACILITY AND LOADING IT ON BARGE HERE AND HAULING IT OUT. ALSO BE A DREDGING OPERATION WITH IT AND PULLING UP THOSE PILINGS, AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, BRETT'S CONSTRUCTED IN THE '80S IS SITTING ON AND AROUND THE OLD WELCOME CENTER THERE FROM THE '50S AND '60S. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING THAT'S CONTRIBUTING TO THE SEDIMENTATION OF THE SOUTHERN BASIN, AS IT EFFECTIVELY SERVES AS A DAM FOR THE OUTGOING TIDE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE'RE DOING ALL THAT WORK, WHILE YOU'RE REMOVE A LOT OF THAT GUN MUD DEBRIS UNDERNEATH THE BRETT'S TO HELP FACILITATE THE FLOW. WE'RE LOOKING TO THE TENANT WILL BE LEAVING HERE AT THE VERY END OF THIS YEAR. THE LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THEM THIS INNER STREET RESTAURANT GROUP EXPIRES DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR. WE'RE GETTING EVERYTHING INTO PLACE, SO WE DON'T HAVE A VACANT FACILITY DOWN THERE WITH A DO NOT ENTER FENCING AROUND, AND WE'RE READY TO MOBILIZE AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN HERE NEXT YEAR. YOU'LL SEE A LOT MORE HAPPENING IN HEADLINES HERE IN THE COMMUNITY COMING BACK HERE AND PROVIDING MORE INFORMATION, AND ALSO BRINGING THOSE REDEVELOPMENT CONCEPTS BACK TO YOU ALL. WE'LL SEE THE COMMISSION HAS A WORKSHOP HERE NEXT WEEK TO DETERMINE WHAT SHOULD WE PLAN ON PUTTING BACK IN THIS PLACE. NEXT, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD OF THE FLOW IS DOWNTOWN PAID PARKING. THIS IS ANOTHER GOAL OF THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THIS YEAR, AND WE'RE PAST THE RFP PHASE. WE NOW HAVE SEVEN FIRMS THAT HAVE SUBMITTED PROPOSALS. THIS IS FOR JUST PREMIUM PAID PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE RECTANGLE THERE, IT'S ABOUT 750 SPOTS THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING PAID PARKING FOR. WE'RE IN THE COMMUNITY AND BOARD ENGAGEMENT PHASE RIGHT NOW, SEE YOU HIGHLIGHTED. THEN THE COMMISSION. WE'LL BE INTERVIEWING THE TOP THREE VENDORS. THAT DATE REALLY NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED BECAUSE NOW THAT AWARD OF THE BID, IF THEY'RE SO INCLINED, IF THEY SO CHOOSE, WILL BE MOVED TO THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST, WHICH WILL BE AUGUST 5TH. IF IT MOVES FORWARD, THEN THEY'LL BE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS AFTER THAT, AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL LIKELY ADOPT SOMETIME LATER THIS FALL. THEN IT'LL TAKE A FEW MONTHS TO SET UP THE NEW VENDOR IF IT MOVES THAT FAR, BUT THAT'S JUST THE PATH FORWARD IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO. THEN WHAT TO DO WITH THAT MONEY IF THEY DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PAID PARKING? THE IDEA OF THE CONCEPT NOW IS THAT WOULD FUND A BOND, AND THAT COULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE MENTIONED EARLIER, WHETHER THE REDEVELOPMENT OF BRETT'S, THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION, OR THE CONTINUED SEGMENTS OF THE 1.1 MILE SEAWALL. >> YOU SAY IT WOULD FINANCE A BOND? >> IF THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH PAID PARKING, IT WOULD BE A REVENUE BOND. OFF OF REVENUE FROM PAID PARKING TO PAY OFF A BOND TO ADDRESS THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. THAT'S ONE OF THE AVENUES AVAILABLE, WHETHER THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THEY'RE NOT STILL YET TO BE DETERMINED, BUT THIS IS AN ONGOING OPERATIONAL CHANGE IF THEY MOVE FORWARD. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BEEN DISCUSSED FOR 20 YEARS. I KNOW I'VE BEEN DIVING INTO THE PAID PARKING EVERY THREE OR FOUR YEARS OR SO. BUT HERE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DOWNTOWN AGAIN, AND WE'LL SEE IF IT MOVES FORWARD. NEXT, AND THIS IS WHY I WANT TO MAYBE DO THIS [00:40:03] FIRST IS THE NORTH SECOND STREET IMPROVEMENTS. THIS IS THE NEXT CASE AS IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT. THIS IS THE REHABILITATION AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE NORTH SECOND STREET CORRIDOR NORTH OF ALACHUA ALL THE WAY TO THE PORT. ONCE ALACHUA IS COMPLETED, THIS IS THE NEXT PHASE IN IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS AREA. WE HAVE A OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS THIS YEAR. I DO URGE YOU TO HELP MOVE THIS FORWARD, IF ANY WAY POSSIBLE. THIS WILL BE A ONE WAY CONVERSION OF NORTH SECOND PAVING, THOSE UNIMPROVED AREAS, THAT'S JUST REALLY MILLINGS THERE ON THE SIDE, UNDERGROUNDING THE UTILITIES, ADDING LANDSCAPING, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, DOING SOME STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS THAT'S NEEDED HERE. A LOT OF STUFF FROM HERE TO THE NORTH TO THE PORT FUNNELS INTO THE ALACHUA STREET SYSTEM. ALACHUA OPENING THAT STORM DURING SYSTEM THAT REFERENCE SURLER CAN'T REALLY DO WHAT'S DESIGNED TO DO WITHOUT MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS HERE TO THE NORTH. IF THIS IS SLATED TO POSSIBLY GO TO THE COMMISSION HERE 1ST, AUGUST, MAYBE END OF JULY, AND OUR SECOND MEETING IN JULY, IF WE CAN MOVE QUICK ENOUGH AND THEN MOBILIZE AND GET THIS WORK DONE PRIOR TO THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. WE HAVE, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT $300,000 PROJECT, AND IT WOULD BE A NET PARKING NEUTRAL LARGELY BY CONVERTING IT TO ONE WAY AND ADDING THE PEDESTRIAN, THE SIDEWALKS THERE WITHIN OUR CRA GUIDANCE. LIKE THE FOOTPRINT OF WHAT YOU HAVE HERE ON SOUTH SECOND STREET OF A WIDER NINE-FOOT SIDEWALK ON EITHER SIDE AND CONVERTING THE ONE WAY WITH PARALLEL PARKING ON THE WEST AND THEN DIAGONAL PARKING THERE ON THE EAST. WE WOULD CLOSE THE LOT DOWN THERE IN BROOM STREET, CLOSE THE ENTRANCE OFF OF OFF OF SECOND, AND THAT WOULD FACILITATE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OAK TREES THERE THAT WE HAVE TO WORK AROUND. BUT THAT WOULD LARGELY, AS YOU KNOW, PARKING IS VERY SENSITIVE HERE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A LOSS OF PARKING AT ALL. THAT'S WHAT WILL BE IN FRONT OF YOU AT THE NEXT CASE FOR YOUR REVIEW. THE AMELIA RIVER WATERFRONT PARK. THIS IS A AERIAL JUST FROM A FEW DAYS AGO. PROJECT IS ABOUT 30% COMPLETE. ACTUALLY, THEY'RE GOING VERTICAL ON THE RESTROOM CONSTRUCTION NOW. YOU CAN SEE THAT FOOTPRINT RIGHT HERE OF THAT FOUNDATION WORK. PROJECT IS ABOUT 30% COMPLETE. IT'S STILL SCHEDULED TO NOT BE 100% COMPLETE UNTIL FEBRUARY NEXT YEAR, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'LL BE DONE SOONER THAN LATER. WE'RE HOPING THIS WILL BE OPENED HERE FOR THE HOLIDAYS OF THIS YEAR. THE BOAT TRAILER PARKING HAS BEEN REOPENED. AS A REMINDER, THIS ENTIRE PROJECT WAS FUNDED THROUGH PARKS AND REC IMPACT FEES, WHICH CAN ONLY BE USED FOR PROJECTS RELATED TO GROWTH AND EXPANSION. THOSE FUNDS WERE USED FOR THIS NEW PARK. I THINK, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THIS PROJECT UPDATE, I'LL BE BACK HERE NEXT QUARTER WITH MORE GREAT INFORMATION. YES, MA'AM. >> SECOND STREET, WHICH DIRECTION IS THE TRAFFIC GOING TO GO? >> IT WOULD CONTINUE THE WAY IT DOES NOW, WHICH WOULD BE. >> HEAD NORTH? WHAT'S IT GOING TO DO WHEN IT GETS TO THE PORT? >> I SHOULD HAVE MADE THAT CLARIFICATION. IT WOULD JUST ONE WAY TO BROOM. >> ONE WAY TO BROOM. >> RIGHT. JUST TO FACILITATE ADDITIONAL PARKING THERE. >> DID YOU REMIND THAT THERE'S FUNDING IN PLACE FOR THAT? YOU JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH. >> YEAH, WE HAVE THE ABILITY MAKE IT HAPPEN THIS YEAR. FOR SURE. WE HAD MONEY TO PAVE MORE SECOND. WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A WHILE BECAUSE ALACHUA NEEDED TO BE DONE. THE PAVILION WORK NEEDED TO BE COMPLETED. YOU DON'T WANT TO GO PAVE A ROAD AND THEN, MAKE CUTS IN IT. WE HAD THE MONEY TO PAVE, BUT TO MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT, NOT JUST PAVE THE ROAD, MAKE THE IMPROVEMENT AND DO WHAT'S WITHIN OUR CRA PLAN GUIDANCE TO IMPROVE WALKABILITY, AND SO ON, WE'VE GOT MONEY FOR NEW SIDEWALKS. WE'RE GOING TO PULL FUNDING FROM A NUMBER OF SOURCES TOGETHER TO DO IT RIGHT. >> THAT MAKES SENSE. >> THIS IS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED FOR 980. >> JEREMIAH, QUESTIONS ON. I'M USED TO GO IN ORDER OF YOUR PRESENTATION. >> SURE. >> ALACHUA STREET, THE OPENING. IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION WHERE THE BARRICADES ARE NOW? INSTEAD OF BOLLARDS, CAN WE DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING THAT WOULD MATCH THE WATERFRONT IE PIERS. >> [INAUDIBLE] THAT WAS THE DESIGN. >> SOMETHING MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING THERE. >> THAN A CONCRETE BALLER, THAT IS A VIEW CARD DONE IS BEAUTIFUL WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN THERE. YOU PROBABLY KNOW THIS. THE GRAY FIELD IS GOING TO BE DOING THAT SAME DETAIL THAT'S ON SIMMONS PROPERTY AROUND THEIR PARKING LOT. WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE THE PIERS AND THE ROPE RIGHT THERE, SO WE'RE KIND OF CREATING THIS LITTLE FISHING VILLAGE FEEL ALREADY. IF WE CAN CONTINUE ON WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE [OVERLAPPING] [00:45:05] >> MAKE IT A REAL WORKING WATER FRONT. >> THERE YOU GO. THROW UP FAKE SHRIMP BOAT UP THERE. >> LET ME ANSWER THAT REAL QUICK. YES, WE ARE. WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN DO. WE STILL HAVE TO MEET OUR TRAFFIC CONTROL GUIDANCE DOT IF THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE APPROVED. YOU DON'T WANT THE UGLY GUARD WILL TO REFLECTIVE SIGNAGE. THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN WORK ON, AND WE'RE EXPLORING WHAT WE CAN DO THAT MEETS. REQUIREMENT. >> IF SOMEONE DOES HIT IT, FINGERS CROSS NOT, SOMEONE DOES HIT IT, WE'RE PROTECTED THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. BUT HOW CAN WE DO IT? >> IF IT'S REFLECTIVITY, YOU CAN PUT A REFLECTIVE TEMPER ON THE TOP, SO IT LOOKS LIKE [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU CAN DO REFLECTIVE BRANDS INSTEAD OF HAVING CANDY CANE TYPE BALLET. >> I FORGET THE DESIGNERS IN THERE. NUMBER 2 ESCAMBIA. WE LOVE IT. IT'S ON GOOGLE MAPS. IT STILL SHOWS AS A THROUGH ROAD. I WAS TOLD LAST NIGHT AT THE PORT MEETING BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH TRUCKS THAT THINK THEY CAN STILL GO IN AND OUT. SOMEBODY, ONE OF THE REALTORS THERE SAID THAT YOU CAN CONTACT GOOGLE MAPS AND TELL THEM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS GOES TO PLANNING OR STREETS OR WHO IT GOES TO, BUT THEY NEED TO SHOW ON GOOGLE MAPS THAT THAT'S NO LONGER A THROUGH STREET BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH AN 18 WHEELER, WHICH IS NOT A GOOD THING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. >> GOOD. WE'LL REPORT THAT. THE OTHER DAY ABOUT ONE OF OUR FACILITIES THAT SAID THAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION WASN'T CORRECT, AND I REPORTED IT, BUT WE'LL SEE IF IT GETS CORRECT. BUT I'M SURE WE CAN EXPLORE THAT. >> JUST AN FYI FOR YOU AND FOR KELLY IN PLANNING AT THE PORT MEETING LAST NIGHT, ALSO, THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE WATERFRONT. THEY OWN THAT BEACON PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF BEACON. THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT MAKING AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE, RECOVERY, WHATEVER FACILITY THERE. I DOUBT THAT ANY OF THAT WOULD EVER GET APPROVED AND GO THROUGH BECAUSE OF ALL THE LOGISTICS. BUT WITH THE NEW OPERATOR, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT POSSIBLY GETTING SOME GRANT MONEY FOR HARDENING OR BUILDING A SEA WALL THERE, AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH OPA AND THE PORT OPERATOR TO GET THAT PIECE OF OUR SEA WALL PUT IN. THERE'S A BIG APPETITE FOR SOME PARTNERSHIP THERE, SO THEY CAN GET LAURA INVOLVED WITH THAT. ANY CHANCE WITH THE BRICKS DEMOLITION WHEN WE GET DOWN INTO THE BASE OF IT, IS ANY OF THAT STUFF? CAN IT BE REUSED AS RIP RAP OR A REEF OR SOMETHING, NOT THE CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS, BUT THE CONCRETE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DO WITH THE SPOILS. >> WE'RE EXPLORING THAT. OUR INITIAL FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM ENVIRONMENTAL COMPANY AND OUR ENGINEERING FIRM IS BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF RUSTED METAL THAT'S EXPOSED, THAT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA FOR OFFSHORE REEF. THEY DON'T WANT BASICALLY REBAR AND STUFF FOR A REEF, BUT WE'RE STILL EXPLORING TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THAT. WE'RE CONCERNED TOO ABOUT THE TIMELINE BECAUSE AS YOU PULL THAT STUFF UP, YOU'VE GOT TO ALREADY BE PERMITTED, APPROVED AND EVERYTHING TO TAKE THAT OFFSHORE. OTHERWISE, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT AND WHERE DO YOU LAY IT DOWN? WE'RE EXPLORING. >> IT'S HIGHLY CONTAMINATED WITH STUFFED. >> IT HAS TO BE ALL CLEANED, AND WHERE DO YOU LAY DOWN TO CLEAN IT? IT'S BASICALLY A LOGISTICAL NIGHTMARE, BUT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN. >> THEN THE LAST THING IS FOR THE PAID PARKING, SHOULD THIS PROCEED, WOULD THAT NOT HAVE TO COME TO HDC FOR ALL THE PLACEMENT OF THE KIOSKS AND SUCH IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? >> THE KIOSK, YES. THIS SHOULD COME TO YOU ALL. THIS IS A COMMISSION DRIVEN GOAL. IT'S A CAREFUL PROCESS. >> INTO THE TIMELINE. >> BUT LARGELY IN THE RFP, WE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT'S NOT JUST A COASTAL COMMUNITY. IT'S A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND EXPERIENCE WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS WOULD BE PREFERRED. IT WAS LARGELY WOULD BE A MOBILE APP BASED SYSTEM. YOU DO NOT HAVE METERS OR KIOSKS. THE KIOSKS WOULD BE VERY LIMITED IF THERE WERE TO BE ANY KIOSK. ONE OF THE PROPOSERS REALLY WENT INTO GREAT DETAIL ON THE SIGNAGE AND HOW IT COULD BE. BUT WE KNOW THAT THAT COMPLETELY CHANGED THE LOOK OF THE DOWNTOWN WITH A BUNCH OF GAUDY SIGNAGE THAT SAYS, PAY TO PARK HERE THERE. THE TOP 3 FIRMS WILL BE PRESENTING TO THE COMMISSION HERE, THE NEXT MEETING, AND I KNOW THAT WILL BE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WILL BE ASKED IS HOW CAN YOU IMPLEMENT THIS INTO OUR DOWNTOWN THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE SENSE OF PLACE AND LOOK AND FEEL OF THE DOWNTOWN? BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE SIGNAGE. >> THAT IT'S REVERSIBLE, SHOULD SOMETHING CHANGE. >> RIGHT. THE PROGRAM, NOT THE SIGNAGE. I'M STILL THINKING [LAUGHTER] >> THE COMMISSIONERS OUT OF POUND YOU CAN GO TO. >> THAT'S ALL. >> WHEN YOU SAY THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTATIONS AT THE NEXT MEETING. YOU MEAN NEXT WEEK? >> CORRECT. THE NEXT WHERE ARE WE AT? 07,15. I'M SORRY. JULY 15 MEETING THE TOP THREE OF THE SEVEN PROPOSALS WILL BE PRESENTING WHY THEY'RE THE BEST, [00:50:03] AND THE COMMISSION WILL DECIDE THAT POINT. >> EXCITING. >> WILL BE. THEY'LL DISCUSSING WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD AND WITH WHOM AND THEY'LL MAKE THAT DECISION AT THE FOLLOWING FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST. >> WILL BE AN EXCITING MEETING, TOO. >> TIMMY TOOK AWAY MOST OF MY QUESTIONS. I WANTED TO JUST PITCH IN THAT [INAUDIBLE] STREET LOOKS AWESOME. YOU GUYS DID A FANTASTIC JOB WITH THAT, AND I'M JUST SO HAPPY TO SEE THAT IN THERE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS KUDOS WHEN YOU. >> THANK YOU. THAT WAS A TOUGH ONE. >> SECOND STREET. CITIZEN HAD SENT ME AN EMAIL, AND I DIRECTED HIM TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT ACCESS TO THEIR PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS. >> THEY ADDRESSED IT. >> WE ADDRESSED THAT. >> THAT'S BEEN DONE? >> YES. YOU'LL SEE THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CASE, THE STREETSCAPE, WHICH THAT DESIGNS IN THERE, RIGHT AVENUE. >> IT'S IN THEIR AGENDA. >> WHERE IS THE PROPERTY THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT? REFERRED TO IT AS A WAREHOUSE. >> IT'S BROOM STREET. I THINK IT'S THE BACK ENTRY TO BROOM STREET FOR A WAREHOUSE THAT HE SAID. >> LIKE A LITTLE GARAGE. A LITTLE TOP GARAGE. RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PARKING LOT. >> WHY ARE WE NOT DOING FROM BROOM TO CALHOUN? THAT'S A PORT DISTRICT HIGHWAY. ROM. >> ROM IS IT A PORT? >> IT'S A PORT DISTRICT. IT'S DESIGNATED AT PORT DISTRICT ROAD. >> WE ARE PAVING PAST BROOM, BUT WE ARE NOT DOING ADDITIONAL STREETSCAPE TO THAT DUE TO, JUST ONE BITE AT TIME. AVAILABLE FUNDING. >> I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT ALL THE NEW HOUSING OR LIVING SPACE THAT WAS BUILT AND BOAS DOWN THERE AND JUST PAST THAT, YOU GOT ALL THE PORT. JUST WONDERING. >> JEREMIAH, YOU SAID, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE TREES ON BRIM. DOES THAT MEAN? >> THEY'RE STAYING? YES, MA'AM. >> MEMBER POSSETI JUST BROUGHT UP SOMETHING THAT MADE ME THINK OF ANOTHER PROJECT. I'VE FAILED TO MENTION, BUT YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT IT COMING UP, WHICH IS ALACHUA A5. THAT'S A REGION OF OUR STORMWATER MASTER PLAN. NEXT IS A6, AND WE'RE IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW IN ENGINEERING FOR THE OVERHAUL UPGRADE OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM FOR ALACHUA. EVERYTHING DRAINS FROM CENTER STREET, AND FROM THE PORT, ALL DRAINS TO ALACHUA, AND OUT TO THE RIVER, AND LIKEWISE HERE, YOU HAVE STORMWATER ON THE SOUTH OF HERE. THEN FROM CENTER THAT COMES BACK HERE TO ASH. THAT WILL BE THE NEXT MAJOR PROJECT. WON'T BE AS INVOLVED BECAUSE THE ROADS ALREADY OPEN. WE ALREADY HAVE A CROSSING THERE AS ASH STREET. IT'S NOT LIKE ALACHUA, BUT THAT WILL BE THE NEXT PROJECT, AND IT'S IN DESIGN NOW GOES TO COMMISSION FOR A FINAL TWEAK TO SCOPE, AND THEN WE'LL BE GOING OUT FOR BID, BUT YOU'LL LIKELY SEE THAT GET UNDERWAY PROBABLY FALL OF THIS YEAR. >> THAT WAS ASH STREET. >> YES. >> IS FPU MOVING THAT BOX AT ALACHUA? >> THEY ARE NOT. >> THERE'S A SWITCHING STATION, AN FPU BOX THERE THAT GOES UNDERWATER WHEN WE HAVE FLOODING. IT'S ELECTRICAL. >> IS THAT A PROBLEM? [LAUGHTER] >> NOT IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE WATER. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR JEREMIAH ON THIS BECAUSE HE WANTS TO HAVE A CASE HERE. SECOND STREETS SIR. THANK YOU, JEREMIAH. >> PAM. THANK YOU. >> THEN ON THIS SLIDE, I'LL JUST SAY THIS PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS WHERE THEY ADDED THAT DRIVEWAY FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER. THEN THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS THE TWO OAK TREES THAT TIMMY HELPED SAVE. >> ON THIS PLAN, SEE THE TWO OAK TREES ON THE BOTTOM OF TWO GREEN EYES? THAT'S WHERE THEY SKINNIED UP THE SIDEWALK THERE TO SAVE THOSE TREES. ORIGINALLY, IT HAD, LIKE AN 8.5 FOOT SIDEWALK COMING DOWN THERE. BUT THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE WHERE WE DON'T SEE IT, THERE'S AN EXISTING, WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THAT SIDEWALK? IS IT FOUR FOOT? >> FIVE FOOT IS OUR MINIMUM. WE NARROW DOWN A FIVE FOOT, BUT THE REST OF THE SIDEWALK WILL BE EIGHT FOOT. >> THAT ALREADY JUMPS TO A FIVE FOOT THAT'S IN FRONT OF DR. PAGE'S BUILDINGS AND THOSE THAT VACANT LOT, WE'RE NOT SEEING ON THERE. IT MAKES SENSE TO GRADUATE IT DOWN AND THEN THEN GO INTO THE OTHER SMALLER SPACE THERE. MY ONLY COMMENT I WOULD HAVE HERE, IT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW, BUT THIS IS JUST TO PUT IT OUT THERE ON THE RECORD, WHERE WE HAVE SOME TREE BOXES DESIGNATED FOR VEGETATION AND LANDSCAPING. THE BIGGEST THAT WE CAN PUT FOR ROOTS, THE BETTER. [00:55:06] WE'RE NOT CREATING JUST A MONO CULTURE. JAKE SAID, TOO, THAT HE WOULD TRY TO PUT IN A LITTLE BIT OF A DIVERSE LANDSCAPE PLAN, SO IT'S NOT JUST 32 PALMS THAT ARE BEING PUT IN DOWN THERE. IF WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT OF DIVERSITY IN THERE, AND THE LARGER. THERE'S A REPORT THAT I JUST READ THAT IT'S ABOUT MITIGATING STORM WATER WITH TREES. WE JUST NEED TO HAMMER THIS HOME AND REALLY HAVE ALL OF THESE SYSTEMS TYING TOGETHER WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HAVING A TREE, IT'S SERVING A PURPOSE TOO. I TELL YOU WHAT, WHEN THOSE STREETS ARE PAVED, IT IS HOT. >> IT'S HEAT. I RIDE MY BIKE AND WALK. >> FEEL THE HEAT RADIATED >> [INAUDIBLE] >> BUT WE'RE CREATING HEAT ISLANDS. THEN WE'RE TAKING DOWN TREES, AND WE'RE NOT MITIGATING IT IN ANY WAY. WE JUST HAVE TO THINK OF ALL THOSE THINGS TOGETHER. >> WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IS THIS PLAN THAT WE'VE JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT. YES. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR MORE DISCUSSION BEFORE WE MOVE ON THIS? >> I JUST HAVING MY NOTES ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING MAKING SURE THAT IT'S NATIVE AND FLORIDA FRIENDLY, WATER FRIENDLY. THAT WAS MY ONLY NOTE. >> ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS? >> I MOVED TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER GC 2025-0010 OUT CONDITIONS. I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS IN FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD, THAT HTC 2025-0010 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. >> A SECOND. >> YOU HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. DO YOU CALL PLEASE? >> MEMBER KOSACK. >> YES. >> MEMBER GASS? >> YES. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> YES >> THANK YOU ALL. GET TO WORK. >> THANK YOU. YOU'VE REALLY DONE A GREAT JOB LISTENING TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR. THANK YOU. WE ARE ON TO HISTORICAL MARKERS, IS THAT CORRECT? [6. BOARD BUSINESS] >> YES. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN UPDATE. WE HAD AN OUTSIDE PARTY. HER NAME IS MS. SHARMA, AND SHE WORKS FOR A HISTORICAL FEMALE ADVOCACY GROUP WHO TRIES TO GET HISTORICAL RECOGNITION FOR SIGNIFICANT WOMEN IN HISTORY. SHE REACHED OUT ABOUT PLACING A HISTORICAL MARKETER FOR CHLOE REID MERRICK AT THE CORNER OF THE BISHOP YOUNG CONSERVATION PROPERTY. THAT'S AT NORTH 11TH AND BROOM. RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL PROCESSING IT WITH THE CITY. YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET THAT'S GOING TO BE PLACED ON THE SIGN. I THINK THE FINAL STEPS NOW IS SECURING FUNDING FOR THIS. SHE HAD REACHED OUT TO ME [LAUGHTER] WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A FUNDING SOLUTION FOR HER BECAUSE SHE HAD REACHED OUT TO THE CITY AND SAID THAT SHE LIKES TO FIND LOCAL FUNDING SOURCES, BUT THEY ALSO DO HAVE FUNDING THROUGH HER ORGANIZATION. THEN I BROUGHT THIS ALSO TO THE EMILIA ISLAND FERNANDINA RESTORATION, AND THEY PLEDGED $250 CONTINGENT ON IT SAYS THE MUSEUM HISTORICAL SOCIETY, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY THE CLINCH HISTORICAL SOCIETY, MS. SUSAN STIGER. I THINK HER LAST NAME IS. SHE IS GOING TO BRING IT TO THE CLINCH HISTORICAL SOCIETY IN HOPES THAT THEY WILL MATCH THE $250 DONATION. WITH THAT, WE WOULD HAVE $500 FOR THE MARKER WITH 2,400 REMAINING. SHE REQUESTED THAT I BRING IT TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT TO SEE IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEAS ON HOW I CAN HELP COORDINATE THAT FUNDING, OR WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE LOCAL FUNDING, AND WOULD LIKE HER ORGANIZATION TO FILL THAT GAP. THE SECOND IT'S NOT A HISTORICAL MARKER. IT'S JUST AN INFORMATIONAL SIGN. I HAVE IT ON HERE ON THE PRESENTATION, BUT IT'S ALSO IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET IS GOING AT NORTH BEACH. IT'S TO COMMEMORATE THE FORMER ARTILLERY TRAINING GROUNDS FROM WORLD WAR II, WHERE PEOPLE MEN TRAINING TO BE IN THE WAR PRACTICE WITH THE ARTILLERY. IT'S REALLY COOL HISTORY, THAT SIGN, AND I'M SURE IT'LL JUST SPREAD MORE HISTORICAL EDUCATION FURTHER REACHES FROM THE DOWNTOWN AND BECAUSE WE HAVE HISTORY ALL OVER OUR ISLAND, [01:00:01] SO THAT'S AN EXCITING PROJECT THAT'S BEING UNDERTAKEN BY KATHY RUSSELL SPECIFICALLY. >> DOES SHE HAVE FUNDING FOR THAT? >> YES. THAT'S ALREADY BEING PRINTED, ACTUALLY. >> I'LL GO AHEAD. IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY INFORMATION ON THERE ABOUT THE YOUNG WOMEN WHO WERE LIFEGUARDS AND KEPT AN EYE OUT FOR THE SUBMARINES OFFSHORE? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> THE REASON I ASK IS THAT MARY HOLT BOSWELL WAS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS WITH ME FOR MANY YEARS. SHE GREW UP HERE, AND SHE WAS PART OF THAT. >> THERE'S A PICTURE OF HER IN HER LIFEGUARD BATHING SUIT AT THE MUSEUM. IT'S A GREAT HISTORY. GOT TO BE NICE TO HAVE THAT. >> I WILL SEE IF THIS HAS BEEN ORDERED AND IF WE CAN MAKE CHANGES TO THAT AND INCORPORATE THAT INFORMATION. I'M NOT SURE IF IT HAS BEEN ORDERED YET. >> IT HAS. >> OKAY. >> SHE WASN'T THE ONLY ONE AROUND HERE, WAS SHE? SHE COULD HAVE. >> BUT WE CAN DO ANOTHER SIGN. THERE'S NO STOPPING ON CITY PROPERTY FOR HAVING MORE SIGNAGE LIKE THAT. >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION REGARDING THE ACTUAL SIGNAGE. I KNOW YOU SAID IT MAY ALREADY BEEN ORDERED, BUT THIS IS TOTALLY ANECDOTAL. I'VE JUST HEARD SOME ISSUES WITH SOME SIGNS FROM FAST SIGNS THAT THEY JUST DON'T LAST THAT LONG. IT'S THE DIGITAL PRINT SIGNS. I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHATEVER THIS IS GOING TO BE THAT THERE'S SOME LONGEVITY TO IT. MAYBE IT'S SOME A WARRANTY OR WHATEVER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ESPECIALLY DOWN AT THE BEACH IS GOING TO GET BEATEN UP REALLY FAST. WHATEVER, I'M SURE THERE'S SOME STANDARD FOR THE CITY, BUT I'VE HEARD THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES. >> WELL, IF NOT, A STANDARD FOR THE CITY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE TDC HAS ONE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF SIGNAGE ON THE BEACHES AND THAT SIGNAGE IS PRETTY STABLE. >> THERE'S A PLACE TO GET MONEY FOR THE MARKER. >> THE TDC. >> TDC. >> THEY GOT LOTS OF MONEY. >> SURE. THEY GOT MORE MONEY THAN GOD. >> THEY ARE GOD. >> THAT'S RIGHT. [LAUGHTER] JUST TO ASK THEM. >> I HAVE TO SEND GIL TEXTS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. SAY, TUNE INTO THIS MEETING. [LAUGHTER] TUNE INTO THAT ONE. AS FAR AS FUNDING, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR $2,400. >> HAS SHE GONE TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, SINCE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SCHOOL BOARD? >> I DON'T REALLY THINK THE SCHOOL BOARD IS INTERESTED. I THINK THEY'RE HAVING ENOUGH TROUBLE KEEPING UP THEIR OWN BUILDING AS IT IS. >> MAYBE THERE'S LIKE A BENEFACTOR OR A PHILANTHROPIST THERE THAT'D BE LIKE, THAT'D BE GREAT. >> THERE'S ALSO NOTHING PREVENTING YOU FROM SAYING, WE DON'T HAVE IT. >> WELL, I THINK THAT THE CITY OF FERNANDINA SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THIS. THIS IS A HUGE HISTORICAL FACT HERE IN THE CITY. THIS WOMAN WAS AMAZING TO DO THE THINGS SHE DID. >> THE FOUNDATION AT THE HIGH SCHOOL. >> I THINK THE OTHER OPTION IS TO JUST REALLY PUT OUT A CALL FOR THOSE FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO LOVE OUR HISTORY. THIS IS WANTING TO BE PUT IN PLACE. CAN ANYBODY DONATE ANY MONEY? NOW I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DO GO FUND ME OR WHATEVER, BUT TO ADVERTISE THE FACT THAT THIS IS WANTING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT THESE THINGS ARE GOING ON IN THE CITY. >> WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT ON, LIKE THE CITY FACEBOOK PAGE? >> PERFECT. >> THEN A CALL FOR ACTION, A CALL FOR- >> ARE YOU'RE MAKING A FACE WHY NOT? >> NO. >> I MISREAD YOUR FACE. >> WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE. >> I DON'T KNOW. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO ON FACEBOOK AND ASK? >> I THINK SO, YOU WOULD DIRECT THEM TO THE FINDING THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DONATE TO THE ORGANIZATION. >> YOU'RE RIGHT. >> LIKE SPONSORING AND PUTTING THAT TOGETHER LEGALLY, WORK WITH THE STATE INTO TAX, AND ALL THAT STUFF. [OVERLAPPING] >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS HAPPENED RIGHT HERE. THERE'S SO MUCH HISTORY THAT'S HAPPENED RIGHT HERE THAT SO FEW PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF. IT JUST MAKES ME CRAZY. >> MAYBE SHE COULD DO LIKE, SET UP A GO FUND ME AND PUT SOMETHING ON WHAT'S THAT OTHER ONE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR? >> THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT READ AND GET INVOLVED AND DO DONATIONS, SOMEBODY'S HOUSE BURNED DOWN AND WHATEVER. >> I THINK IT'S MARKETING THAT WE HAVE TO DO. I'LL BE HAPPY TO DONATE, [01:05:02] BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE OTHERS DO IT, TOO. >> HOW ABOUT REACHING OUT TO ST. PETER'S? >> BECAUSE OF BISHOP YOUNG AND ALSO TO THE BLACK CHURCHES, AND GET THEM INVOLVED. >> PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY, I THINK, FOR THIS IS TO HAVE THE MARKETING GO INTO SOME DEGREE OF HISTORY ON THIS TO EDUCATE FOLKS ON WHO SHE WAS, WHAT SHE DID. WHAT NEED SHE FILLED. IT WAS AMAZING. AGAIN, WE CAN CONTACT ALL THESE PLACES, AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE GREAT, BUT IF THEY DON'T KNOW IT OR KNOW ABOUT IT, MIGHT BE HARDER. >> I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO INCLUDE AN EDUCATION COMPONENT IN THAT ASK OR POST AND PREP THEM FOR THE ASK, HIGHLIGHTING THE HISTORY. >> STAND OUT HERE AND HAVE MARY DO A VIDEO HERE. >> [LAUGHTER] REALLY. I'M NOT KIDDING, EITHER. >> GOOD. >> I'M DOING A RECYCLING SERIES WITH MARY, TOO. >> YOU'RE A STAR. [LAUGHTER] >> IT'S THAT GOOD FOR THAT? >> THAT'S GOOD. I HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS. >> NOW WE DISCUSS THE DOWNTOWN GUIDELINES, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT. >> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RETREAT INSTEAD. >> A SLEEP OVER. >> SLEEP OVER. [LAUGHTER] >> I'LL BE WALKING AT CITY HALL. >> WE'LL GO TO SLEEP OVER. >> WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AT THE LIAM HOUSE. [LAUGHTER]. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY AT THE WILLIAMS HOUSE. [OVERLAPPING] >> SLEEP OVER. >> JIM'S GOING TO HAVE TO HOLD HIS OWN WITH- [OVERLAPPING] >> IT'S EXACT FOR SLEEP OVER. >> NEXT. [LAUGHTER] THE AGENDA IS CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL. [7. STAFF REPORT] ANY ISSUES, QUESTIONS? >> ON THE ONE? >> COMMENTS. >> THAT'S THE ONE. >> WASN'T THERE JUST ONE? >> YES. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT ONE THAT'S NOT HERE. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT. >> BUT WHAT IS NOT NOTED? >> I'M PULLING UP THE ADDRESS, BUT IT'S 102 SOUTH SEVENTH STREET. I KNOW THAT WE HAD EMAILED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PORCH FLOOR. I BELIEVE TIME HE GOT INVOLVED, AND THAT'S THE FLOORING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER THIS EVENING. I GUESS I THINK I WANT JUST UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT TIMELINE BECAUSE IT'S NOT NOTED HERE. SINCE THE LAST MEETING, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PERMIT, AND THEN NOW THEY DO, BUT IT'S NOT NOTED HERE. BUT JUST LIKE ANECDOTALLY, THERE'S BEEN DUMPSTER LOADS OF DEBRIS COMING OUT OF THOSE TWO BUILDINGS FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THAT PERMIT WAS FOR BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE PERMIT WAS JUST A FLOORING. BUT THERE'S WAY MORE AGAIN, THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBRIS COMING OUT [INAUDIBLE]. >> THAT PERMIT WILL SHOW UP IN YOUR JULY MEETING BECAUSE IT'S DUE. >> THIS IS ONLY FOR MAY. >> GOT IT. >> WITH THE BLUE HERON, THAT CAUSED ME A LOT OF HEADACHE AND HEARTACHE BECAUSE WE GOT THE CALL FROM YOU THAT THEY WERE RIPPING UP THEIR DECK. THEY HAD A PERMIT IN THE SYSTEM THAT WAS ROUTED TO ME TO REPLACE THEIR DECKING WITH TRACKS. IT WAS SITTING THERE BECAUSE I KNEW TRACKS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. KELLY HAD TOLD ME BEFORE THAT THE TRACKS DECKING HAD COME BEFORE YOU AND WAS ALSO DENIED. I WAS HOLDING ONTO IT, NOT OUTRIGHT DENYING IT BECAUSE I WANTED TO CHECK IN WHEN WE GOT THE CALL THAT WORK WAS HAPPENING. ME AND KELLY RUSHED OVER THERE AND WAS LIKE, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON? THE CONTRACTOR THOUGHT THAT THEY HAD A PERMIT. I'M LIKE, WE WERE QUESTIONING, WHERE IS THE PERMIT? YOU DON'T HAVE A PERMIT. YOUR REQUEST IS ACTUALLY SITTING IN MY INBOX RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT APPROVED. PLEASE STOP. WE'RE LIKE, BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL BE HERE IN HALF AN HOUR. THEY WERE AT LUNCH, SO THEY'LL BE HERE IN HALF AN HOUR FOR A STOP WORK ORDER. WE JUST ADVISE YOU GUYS TO STOP BECAUSE IT'S NOT APPROVED BY THE ACC. THEN WE HEARD FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE THERE. THERE'S SOME FAMILY DRAMA GOING ON THERE WITH THE DAD HAVING PRE-TAKING THE BUILDING FROM HIS KIDS AND TRYING TO FLIP IT AND SELL IT. HE'S TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER TO INCREASE THAT PROPERTY VALUE AND DO WHATEVER HE VIEWS AS INCREASING THE PROPERTY VALUE, MAKING IT MORE SELLABLE. I FEEL LIKE I WAS PERSONALLY BAMBOOZLED, AND THEY WERE BAMBOOZLED, AND THE CONTRACTOR WAS FIRST SPED UP TIMELINE. THE CONTRACTOR HAD HIS WHOLE TEAM OUT THERE, AND WE TOLD THEM NO, AND THE FOREMAN CAME TO THE OFFICE AND ASKED ME, WHAT CAN HE DO? I SAID, YOU MAY REPLACE IT IN KIND WITH WOOD. [01:10:01] YOU HAVE TO ADJUST YOUR APPLICATION AND SEND ME THE NEW MATERIALS. THEY SENT ME THE NEW MATERIALS, THE WOOD MATCH. IT WAS THAT ONE BY SIX WOOD. I HONESTLY WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT THIN PORCH BOARD. ME AND KELLY POINTED OUT A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES ON OUR WALK BACK. I SAID, GOOD THING IT'S ACTUALLY NOT THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN WAY WORSE. THEN HE ACTUALLY, YOU RESPONDED TO ME AND YOU SAID, I ASSUME THE RAILING WOULD BE IN KIND, WHICH GAVE ME ANOTHER HEART ATTACK. CALLED HIM. >> SORRY. >> NO, THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE I'M THANKFUL BECAUSE I CALLED HIM, AND HE SAID, NO. IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I SAID, IT ABSOLUTELY IS NOT. I SAID, YOU CAN REMOVE IT FOR REPLACING THE DECK, BUT IF THE RAILING ISN'T GOING TO BE REPLACED EXACTLY IN KIND, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. HE WAS LIKE, OKAY. THEN WE HAD A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE BACK AND FORTH. IT WAS ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE IT'S A STAFF REPORT WHERE I'M BEING BULLIED AROUND. THE CONTRACTORS IN HERE EVERY HALF HOUR ASKING ME IF YOU CAN DO THIS, IF YOU CAN DO THAT. I'M LIKE, NO, YOU MAY NOT. I AM SORRY THAT YOUR WHOLE CREW IS HERE AND THAT YOU HAVE THIS PROJECT, AND YOU CAME ALL THE WAY FROM JACKSONVILLE, BUT YOU WERE TOLD THE WRONG INFORMATION, AND I'M THE ONE HAVING TO BREAK THAT IT WAS THE WRONG INFORMATION, AND YOU CAN'T DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. I'M JUST GRATEFUL THAT IT WAS REPLACED ACTUALLY WITH WOOD, AND THE RAILING IS STILL THERE. BUT THAT WAS VERY STRESSFUL, AND KELLY CAN ATTEST THAT I WAS VERY HEATED ABOUT THAT AT OUR STAFF MEETING. >> THEY PROCEEDED. PERHAPS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LOCAL OR WHATEVER, BUT THE CONTRACTOR SHOULD KNOW THEY SHOULD HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT TO DO THE WORK. THEY TOTALLY DID TRY AND BAMBOOZLE YOU, BECAUSE THEY KNEW WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO AND TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE. >> ON AN ADJACENT UPDATE. TWO, THREE WEEKS AGO, I HAD A MEETING WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, AND I BROUGHT UP HDC AND HOW I FELT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE REVIEWED AND APPROVED THINGS, AND WHEN CHANGES COME INTO HIS DEPARTMENT THAT AFFECT THE AESTHETICS, HE REALLY NEEDS TO COME ACROSS THE HALL AND TALK TO PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, HEY, YOU'RE FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING LOOK AT THIS THING, AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN. >> WAS HE AWARE OF THAT? HE KNOWS THAT. >> HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HE UNDERSTOOD WHAT'S GOING ON, THE BUILDING IS TO CHECK FOR BUILDING CODE. >> HOWEVER COME UP. >> THEY'RE ALSO PART OF THE CITY STAFF WHO SHOULD KNOW HOW THOSE THINGS WORK. >> I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP A LOT OF TIMES. IT'S THE ATTENTION AND DESERVES. >> THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT SITS UPSTAIRS THAT NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT IT. >> DO YOU GUYS HAVE DEPARTMENT HEAD MEETINGS LIKE ALL TOGETHER? >> WE DO. >> MAYBE THAT'S JUST A TOPIC THAT NEEDS TO BE REITERATED EVERY SO OFTEN. >> ALL STAFF. NO. JUST DEPARTMENT [INAUDIBLE] HEADS. >> YES. [INAUDIBLE] >> WAIT, DOES THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT EVER MEET WITH THE WHOLE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? >> NOT ON A BASIS, DESPITE BEST EFFORTS. >> THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT STAFF REVIEWING DOCUMENTS. ARE THEY IN HOUSE STAFF OR IS THAT OUTSOURCED? >> IT'S ALL OUTSOURCED. >> THAT'S A CHALLENGE. >> DOES A DISSERVICE TO US HERE IS THAT THEY'RE FARMING OUT PLAN REVIEWS TO SOME RANDOM NON-FERNANDINA PART. >> SO MUCH DAMAGE. >> IT'S FINE IF THEY UNDERSTAND THE CODE, AND THEY UNDERSTAND THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT IF THEY DON'T. [OVERLAPPING] >> I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND. >> AGREED, BUT THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE COMPONENTS OF IT, NOT JUST THE BUILDING CODE. >> I ASKED, IS THERE ANY WAY TO PUT A STAMP ON THERE THAT SAYS SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS IN THE HDC AND REQUIRES EXTRA SCRUTINY WHEN CHANGES COME IN? BECAUSE PROJECTS HAVE CHANGES. YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT IF THERE'S NO TRIGGER OVER THERE TO, LOOK AT THIS BIG RED STAMP ON THIS? >> I WOULD THINK THAT IT COULD BE PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT SUBMISSION PROCESS THAT THE DESIGNER, ARCHITECT ENGINEER RECORD, PUT SOMETHING ON THERE THAT THIS HAS BEEN LIKE SOME DOCUMENTS IN THE TITLE BLOCK, SOMETHING ALONG THE WAY THAT THIS IS SOMEHOW BEEN APPROVED REVIEW, WHATEVER THAT LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE, THAT WOULD TRIGGER SOMETHING PERHAPS. [01:15:02] >> BUT WORK PERMIT COME INTO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS HISTORIC DISTRICT TRIGGERS HISTORIC DISTRICT REVIEW, WHETHER THAT'S ON A REVISION OR IT'S ON A PERMIT. THAT REVIEW DOES GET ROUTED BACK TO US FOR THAT CONSIDERATION. NOW, I WILL SAY THERE MAY BE FIELD BASED DEVIATIONS THAT WE NEVER SEE AND I KNOW THAT I CAN ATTEST TO WHERE THAT'S HAPPENED. THEY NEVER EVER COME BACK IN AS A REVISION. >> THAT'S WHY. >> NOT TAILS, A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE OVERALL STATIC. >> YOU MENTIONED THAT SOMEBODY MENTIONED YOU'RE GOING TO A NEW SOFTWARE PATH. IS THAT A WORKFLOW SYSTEM? >> CAN YOU PUT THOSE FLAGS INTO THAT SYSTEM? >> YES. IT ALREADY IS [INAUDIBLE] >> MAYBE THAT WILL HELP. BUT IF THIS BOARD CAN DO ANYTHING TO SUPPORT THE NEED FOR THE TWO TO WORK MORE CLOSELY TOGETHER, JUST LIKE CODE ENFORCEMENT SHOULD. I THINK THAT LET US KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO. I MEAN, IF YOU WANT ME TO WRITE A LETTER TO THE COMMISSION, CITY MANAGER, OR WHOEVER, TELL ME THAT AND WE CAN HAVE EVERYBODY REVIEW IT BEFORE IT GOES. >> I THINK ANY KIND OF SUPPORT TO THAT WOULD BE WELCOMES FROM OUR SIDE OF THING. >> I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS COME UP IN THE PAST REGARDING THOSE FIELD DEVIATIONS IS WHETHER IT'S NEFARIOUSLY DONE OR NOT. THEN IT COMES TO, WE'RE READY FOR OUR FINAL HDC INSPECTION. IT REALLY FALLS TO WHOEVER IS SENT OUT TO GO MAKE SURE THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION ADDITION, WHATEVER IS DONE PROPERLY. THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF TO LOOK AT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE NOT IN TUNE WITH THE PROJECT AND WHAT IT WAS. DID THEY MOVE THOSE STEPS? WAS THAT OVERHANG SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THAT? SOMEBODY THAT'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PLAN, THEY PROBABLY PICK THAT UP FAIRLY QUICKLY. THAT'S AN AREA WHERE WE MIGHT BE MISSING. I MEAN, I SEE THINGS DRIVING AROUND LIKE THAT WASN'T ON THEIR PLAN. THEY CHANGED THAT. >> WHEN THEY GO OUT FOR THAT FINAL INSPECTION, DO YOU ALL KNOW? >> YES WE'RE CALLING FOR [INAUDIBLE]. >> WE HAVE AN INSPECTION TOO. >> WE HAVE A FINAL INSPECTION. >> DO YOU HAVE TO BRING LIKE A SET OF THE PLANS WITH THIS? >> YES. >> I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG RESPONSIBILITY. >> IT IS. >> IF, IN FACT, IT'S COPACETIC WHEN YOU GO OUT FOR THAT REVIEW, THEN IS SOME OF THIS WORK BEING DONE AFTER? >> SOME OF IT COULD BE DONE AFTER IT COULD BE LITTLE THINGS THAT ARCHITECTS GOING TO SEE THOSE CHANGES. THEY'RE NOT INTENTIONALLY NECESSARILY CALLED OUT AS A DETAIL TO PICK UP ON THE REVIEW PLANS. >> IT'S THINGS LIKE, EVEN WITH SOME OF MY CLIENTS, WE'VE GOTTEN HDC APPROVAL AND WE'RE IN THE FIELD AND WE HAVE OUR CONTRACTORS OUT THERE LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? IT WILL LOOK SO MUCH BETTER IF THIS FIREPLACE WAS OVER ON THIS SIDE. >> THAT'S AN OBVIOUS CHANGE. >> BUT NOT NECESSARILY. I'M LIKE, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO HDC. THEY'RE LIKE WHAT? REALLY? A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN THINK THAT. IF I DIDN'T LEAD THEM THAT WAY, THEY WOULD JUST TELL THE CONTRACTOR, PUT THE FIREPLACE OVER THERE. >> OF COURSE THEY WILL. >> I'M THINKING OF FOR EXAMPLE, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THE JOIN TRIM BOARD NEEDS A PIECE OF SIDING. THAT THEY PUT IT IN INCORRECTLY. IT'S THOSE KINDS OF DETAILS THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN. >> YES. CORRECT. >> OR THE THE JOINT PIECE NOW THAT IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT WE LOOK FOR THOSE THINGS BECAUSE I WOULD NOT HAVE LOOKED FOR THEM IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S LIKE REALLY MINOR THINGS THAT WE MAY NOT SEE UNLESS IT IS POINTED OUT AS, HEY, YOU'RE NOT PICKING UP ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. >> WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE QUESTION, JIM THAT THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD SUBMIT SOME SQUARE OF AN AFFIDAVIT THAT IT'S CONSTRUCTED FOR THE APPROVED POINT? >> I MEAN, THAT GETS REALLY DIFFICULT. >> I DON'T KNOW, ABOUT HOW YOUR CONTRACTS. >> SOME CLIENTS WILL HIRE YOU TO DO CONSTRUCTION OBSERVATION, AND IF I'M HIRED FOR CONSTRUCTION OBSERVATION, I'M GOING TO CATCH THOSE THINGS WHILE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON. MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PAY ME ANYMORE MONEY. [01:20:03] THEY'RE DONE PAYING ME. >> UNDERSTOOD. >> THEY WANT THE CONTRACTOR JUST RUN WITH IT. THE NEXT TIME I SEE THE HOUSE IS WHEN IT'S DONE AND BY THEN, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? I DON'T HAVE ANY POWER AT THAT POINT TO, AND IT PUTS YOU IN AWKWARD POSITION AS THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD THAT NOW I'M GOING TO MAKE THE OWNER AND THE CONTRACTOR ANGRY BECAUSE I'M POINTING OUT ALL THESE CHANGES THEY MADE AND GETTING THEM IN HOT WATER WITH BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THAT'S TOUGH. >> COULD THE CONTRACTOR WHO'S ACTUALLY BUILDING IT THEN HAVE TO SUBMIT SOME AN AFFIDAVIT? >> I THINK A PERMIT IN, THEY'RE SAYING, I'M GOING TO BUILD THIS SET OF PLANS AND I'M PUTTING IN FOR A PERMIT. THE AGREEMENT IS THAT THEY'RE BUILDING THAT SET OF PLANS. >> DON'T THEY CHARGE EVERY TIME THERE'S A CHANGE ORDER? >> IT DEPENDS. >> IT DEPENDS. >> WELL, THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FACTOR INTO OUR FURTHER DISCUSSIONS AT RETREAT TIME. >> NEVER OVERNIGHT. [LAUGHTER] >> WE HAVE LONG WEEKENDS. >> IT'S GETTING LONGER. [LAUGHTER] >> THESE TWO ITEMS ARE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN BEFORE. I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP. PALMS CONFERENCE WERE 18 DAYS OUT. FERNANDINA BEACH MAIN STREET PUT OUT A VOLUNTEER SIGN UP GENIUS. IF ANYONE WANTS TO VOLUNTEER FOR THE CONFERENCE. GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ARE ONLY CHARGED $150, AND I'M SURE YOU COULD MAKE A PLAY FOR THAT AS HTC MEMBERS. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO ATTEND THE CONFERENCE. IF NOT, THERE'S PLENTY OF VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES WHERE YOU'D BE ABLE TO SIT IN ON THE EDUCATIONAL SESSIONS. THAT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY. WE HAVEN'T HAD A HTC MEETING SINCE OUR HISTORIC WINDOW PRESERVATION WORKSHOP, WHICH IS CRAZY BECAUSE IT WAS SO LONG AGO. BUT THAT WAS A HUGE SUCCESS. WE FULL TURNOUT IN THE MORNING FOR THE PRESENTATION, AND THEN IT TAPERED IN THE AFTERNOON. BUT WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD HANDS ON EXPERIENCE. I COULD SAY THAT WITH ANOTHER YOUTUBE VIDEO OR TWO, I COULD PROBABLY RESTORE A LOT OF THESE WINDOWS DOWNTOWN. THAT'S EXCITING. WE HAD MR. LESLIE HERE, WHO WAS THE LIAISON FOR THE TRINITY CHURCHES PARSONAGE. THEY WERE HAVING WINDOW THINGS GOING ON. HE CAME TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF HISTORIC WINDOWS. I THINK THAT WAS SOMEONE EXACTLY I CAN POINT TO WHO BENEFITED DIRECTLY FROM THIS PROJECT. THAT WAS A REALLY HUGE SUCCESS, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO DOING MORE THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE. >> YES. >> AS PART OF THE VOLUNTEER ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITY, I WILL BE LEADING A GROUP TO GO VISIT THREE OF THE HISTORIC AFRICAN AMERICAN CHURCHES. BUT LUCKILY, I JUST HAVE TO WALK THEM POINT A TO POINT B TO POINT C BECAUSE THE CHURCHES ARE GOING TO HAVE DOCENTS THERE TOO. >> DID YOU SIGN UP THROUGH SIGN UP GENIUS, AND THEN YOU CAN PICK? I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT. >> JOSE VON TOLD ME [LAUGHTER] I'M GOING TO BE DOING IT. >> THAT'S GOOD. >> YOU'VE JUST BEEN TOO CLOSE FRIENDS FOR TOO LONG. >> TODAY, I HAD A LUNCH AND LEARN WITH JENNY WALZ. REMEMBER JENNY WAS THE PAST PRESIDENT OF THE FLORIDA PRESERVATION TRUST, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED. SHE'S COMING TO THE PALMS ALSO, AND SHE'S GOING TO BE LEADING A WALK AROUND OR WHATEVER. BUT TODAY'S LUNCHEON WAS ABOUT STORM READINESS OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES. IT WAS REALLY GOOD. WERE YOU WANT IT TODAY I DIDN'T SEE HIM IN. ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS WAS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ORDINANCES, HOW THEY'RE ADJUSTING OR REMINDED ME OF OUR MATERIALS, HOW THEY'RE ADJUSTING PRESERVATION ORDINANCES TO INCORPORATE MATERIALS AND/OR STORM READINESS. IF THEY'RE REQUIRED IN SOME OF THESE PLACES TO LIFT STRUCTURES, AND MAYBE THERE'S THAT HISTORIC CONCRETE FENCE WITH THE WROUGHT IRON GATE, AND NOW THEY'RE LIFTING IT AND THEY HAVE LIKE WHATEVER YOU CALL THOSE STAIRCASES. DO THEY LEAVE THAT HISTORIC GATE THERE, SO THEY'RE STILL STORY FROM THE PAST. IT'S INTERESTING HOW THEY WALK TOGETHER. NEW CHANGES IN HISTORY. >> THEY'RE HAVING TO DO A LOT OF THAT IN MY HOMETOWN IN MISSISSIPPI ON THE GULF COAST. >> I BET. >> BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY NOW A THIRD THE NUMBER OF HISTORIC HOMES THERE. THAT ERA WAS ANTEBELLUM. BETWEEN TWO HURRICANES, THE REST OF THEM HAVE BEEN BLOWN AWAY AND THEY'RE BEING REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT THE ONES THEY HAVE AND THE TREES THEY HAVE. [01:25:06] THIS IS YOUR DRAFT INFORMATION PACKET, AND SOME OF IT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE DISCUSSED AT OUR OVERNIGHT. >> YES, WE CAN DISCUSS IT THEN, BUT THIS IS GETTING INTO THE ISSUE THAT TIMMY JUST BROUGHT UP. SHE'S LIKE, OH, THE FIREPLACE LOOK BETTER OVER HERE THAN OVER HERE, AND THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. THIS IS GETTING OUT IN FRONT OF THOSE TYPE OF ISSUES BEING LIKE, HEY, YOU ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. ANYTHING GOING ON WITH YOUR HOME, WE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT. >> WHERE DID YOU FIND THIS? WHAT IS THIS LETTER? >> IT'S IN THE LAST ITEM. >> WE CAN DISCUSS THIS MORE. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOMETHING TO LOOK AT, GIVE ME SUGGESTIONS GOING FORWARD. BUT IDEALLY, I WOULD KIND OF MAIL THIS OUT TO EVERYONE IN OUR DISTRICT. >> IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, IN THE FUTURE POSSIBLY USE AS A PREFACE ALSO TO THIS DOCUMENT? NO. SORT OF AN INTRO? >> THIS IS LIKE A WELCOME LETTER LIKE FOR A NEW PROPERTY OWNER. IT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE IN OUR OFFICE WHEN WE'RE VISITING PEOPLE WHO JUST PURCHASED A PROPERTY. SOMETHING THAT YOU MAKE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE REAL ESTATE OFFICES SO THAT THEY HAVE THAT AS A GUIDE TO PROVIDE POTENTIAL OWNERS OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES. >> BUT I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'LL WANT TO INCORPORATED INTO YOUR SECOND LINES. >> ESPECIALLY SINCE MY FACE IS ON THE SECOND PAGE [LAUGHTER]. >> A TARGET. >> I DON'T KNOW. >> THAT THING WILL LIVE ABOUT 10 YEARS, SO YOU'D HAVE TO STAY. NO PUBLIC COMMENT, I ASSUME. [8. PUBLIC COMMENT] >> I HAD A QUICK THING [INAUDIBLE] TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP. DR. KYRA LU IS VISITING [INAUDIBLE] CONFERENCE, AND SHE WILL BE DOING TOUR OF OUR [INAUDIBLE] CEMETERY AS PART OF OUR NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION. EXCITING STATE REPRESENTATIVE [INAUDIBLE]. NO ONE FROM THE DIVISION OF RESOURCES COMING TO VISIT. [INAUDIBLE] AS PART OF THEIR NOMINATION. >> ARE YOU JUST [INAUDIBLE]. >> THEY ARE TO MAYBE WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND SO SHE'S HAVE TOUR [INAUDIBLE]. >> ALSO, LAST THING, UPDATE, THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THE CHANGE FROM FIVE MEMBERS TO SEVEN MEMBERS SO THAT I'LL BE GOING TO COMMISSION SOON FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION. >> JULY 15TH. >> I HAVE ONE THING TO CELEBRATE. THE CHIMNEY. WE HAD A SITUATION WITH A FOLK VERNACULAR HOUSE BEEN HERE FOR 1900. I THINK IT WAS TWO SISTER HOUSES NEXT TO EACH OTHER, AND THEY WANTED TO JUST DEMOTE THE CHIMNEY, TAKE IT OFF. IT WAS AN EXTERIOR. IT HAD BEEN COMPLETELY OBLITERATED ON THE INSIDE. IT WAS NO LONGER IN PLACE. I MEAN, A LOT OF NEGLECT ON THE HOUSE, MAINTENANCE, NEGLECT. IT WAS PRETTY BAD ON THE OUTSIDE, AND THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT WAS A BIG DEAL. I MEAN, IT WAS CHOPPED OFF. IT WAS FALLING APART. MIA DID A GREAT JOB. SHE'S LIKE, THIS IS GIVING ME HEARTBURN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD DO ABOUT THIS. AND SHE SAID, WELL, YOU GO OUT THERE AND VISIT [INAUDIBLE]. WE WENT OUT THERE, WE TALKED TO HIM THE OWNER WAS NOT THERE. YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE ROAD. THEY HAD A LOT OF REASONS WHY THEY THOUGHT WE SHOULD JUST BUTTON THIS UP. ANYWAY, WE TALKED THROUGH IT, WE LOOKED AT IT, AND WE CAME TO THE OPTION THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY END UP BEING LESS EXPENSIVE FOR THE HOMEOWNER IF THEY KEPT THIS HERE, SEAL IT OFF PROPERLY FROM THE INSIDE FROM THE ELEMENTS AND EVERYTHING, AND DO WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE WHERE YOU STOP IT UNDERNEATH THE EVE. YOU STILL HAVE EXISTENCE. YOU SEE WHERE IT WAS. HE PRESENTED THAT TO THE HOMEOWNER. THEY WENT FOR IT. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO COME FOR STAFF APPROVAL FOR A DEMO, AND THEY GOT APPROVAL TO REPAIR UP THERE, SO THAT'S A WIN. >> THAT WAS A HUGE WIN. >> YOU'RE JUST KNOCKING PEOPLE'S SOCKS OFF, GIRL. >> I'M TRYING. I KEEP THESE OLD BUILDINGS OLD. [LAUGHTER] >> THE OTHER WIN IS THE PORT IS MOVING THE TENT OUT OUT OF THE VIEW SHOT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT PORTAL. [LAUGHTER] >> THIS WAS THE HOUSE WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. >> SISTER HOUSE HAS THE TWO CHIMNEYS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN LOCKED RIGHT THERE. [01:30:01] ACTUALLY, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN LOCKED. >> THEN THE OTHER CHIMNEY WAS LIKE, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT. IT'S LIKE, RIGHT HERE. >> BUT IT WAS COOL. IT HAD LIKE CORE BLING. >> IT WAS SUPER. IF THAT FENCE EVER GOES AWAY, THAT'S THE THING WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR THE FUTURE. IF SOMEBODY EVER SAYS THE WAY IT WAS, NOW THEY CAN. >> OH, YOU CAN SEE IT FROM OVER HERE. IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THEIR PORCH, IT'S RIGHT THERE. YEAH. BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS DEFINITELY A DEFINING FEATURE OF THE STRUCTURE, AND I'M LIKE, THIS IS NOT A STOP APPROVAL. >> VERY GOOD. >> RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SCHEDULING OR SLUMBER PARTY A WEEK AWAY. [LAUGHTER] [NOISE] * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.