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>> WE'RE OKAY. THIS IS THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD WORKSHOP,
[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
JUNE 4TH, 2025, CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS.>> WILL YOU CALL ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
>> VICTORIA, WILL YOU LEAD US ON THE PLEDGE?
[3.1 COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT ]
OUR AGENDA TODAY, I'M GOING TO SAY BEFORE WE GET INTO THE AGENDA.I THINK SOME OF YOU KNOW, NICK YOU'RE NOT BRINGING YOUR DRAWING WITH US.
I'VE TALKED A FEW DAYS AGO WITH KELLY, AND MARGARET, AND MIA, AND THEY WERE OF THE OPINION THAT WE SHOULD AT THIS POINT, GO INTO THE PLANNING PROCESS AND BEGIN TO TALK WITH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL AUDIENCES AND GET PUBLIC FEEDBACK FROM THOSE AUDIENCES.
I'M NOT AT ALL OPPOSED TO DOING THAT.
MAYBE WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHO WE HAVE IN THE MINUTES, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF WHO THOSE AUDIENCES ARE, ESPECIALLY INTERNALLY, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PROPERTY OWNERS.
MAYBE WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THAT AND GO THROUGH WHO WE WANT TO TALK TO AND THEN HOW THAT OCCURS WHEN WHO AND HOW.
MIA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THAT OR NOT.
>> BASED ON WHAT ALL THE WORKSHOPS THAT HAVE GONE ON SO FAR, ME AND MARGARET STATED ON WITH KELLY AND EXPLAINED WHAT WAS GOING ON BECAUSE WE STARTED TO PULL OUT THAT A STREET OVERLAY ORDINANCE AND INPUT WHAT YOU GUYS WERE SAYING, BUT KELLY WAS DRAFTING ORDINANCES IS WAY FAR AHEAD OF WHERE WE SHOULD BE IN THE PLANNING PROCESS.
THEY JUST WANTED ME TO GO OVER TODAY WHERE WE'RE AT, WHICH IS STEP 2, WHICH IS PRELIMINARY MAPPING AND RESEARCH.
THE LITTLE THREE PAGER YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS JUST LIKE A SUMMARY OF WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE OVERLAY IS.
THE GIS LAYER THAT I CREATED, THAT WOULD BE THE OVERLAY.
I ALSO HAVE THIS, WHICH IS ALL THE PARCELS IN THE OVERLAY WITH THEIR ZONES, ACREAGE USE, AGE OF THE STRUCTURE, CITY COUNTY, AND THEN NORTH OR SOUTH SIDE OF SADLER ROAD.
WE JUST TRIED THIS PAST WEEK TO COMPILE SOME MORE DATA FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE INTO IDENTIFYING WHICH ADDITIONAL DATA POINTS ARE NEEDED, AND WHAT CHAIR DOSTER WAS JUST SAYING ABOUT WHICH STAKEHOLDERS NEED TO BE ENGAGED AT THIS POINT.
THIS IS LIKE THE THREE PAGE YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
ON THIS PAGE IS A SUMMARY OF WHAT ME, MARGARET, AND KELLY SPOKE ABOUT.
THE OVERLAY IS A VERY ENGAGED PROCESS THAT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS TO FULLY WE'LL DEVELOP AND THEN IMPLEMENT.
THE QUESTION I HAVE AT THE TOP, THE EITHER OR IS MAKING LDC TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT ADDRESS CERTAIN AREAS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT EXISTING IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIO, OR CONTINUE WITH THE OVERLAY PROCESS THAT WOULD INCLUDE THESE THREE MAJOR STEPS THAT WE CAN DISCUSS TODAY, WHICH IS RESEARCH NEEDS, STAKEHOLDERS TO ENGAGE, AND THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.
I JUST WANTED TO POSE THIS FIRST TO GET THE BALL ROLLING.
IS THE OVERLAY SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP AND GO THROUGH ALL THESE STEPS? OR WOULD IT BE BETTER TO HAVE A QUICKER PROCESS THAT JUST INCLUDES TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE? BASED ON WHAT YOU ALL DECIDE, WE CAN GO DEEPER INTO THE PLANNING PROCESS, BUT WE'RE REALLY AT STEP 2 AND THEN ENTERING STEP 3 WITH THAT OVERLAY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. [NOISE]
>> MARK. CAN YOU BRING UP YOUR SPREADSHEET AGAIN?
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE LAND AREA, BUILDING AREA, AND LAND BUILDING RATIOS ON THAT.
THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO TALK ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PARCELS AND WHAT IMPACT WE MIGHT HAVE.
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>> WELL, BUILDING AREA IS ONE THING.
WE GOT A 50% RATIO OR 70%, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PREVIOUS SERVICE 70%.
THAT GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW WHAT'S ON THE TEXT, ANYWAY.
>> CAN WE PULL UP THE COMPLAIN LANGUAGE FROM ELEMENT 1 THAT TALKS ABOUT ESTABLISHING OVERLAYS WITHIN THOSE SPECIFIC DISTRICTS?
>> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT DEFINITE BECAUSE THAT'S THE BASIC QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO DO IT OVERLAY OR DO WE JUST MAKE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES? WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF EITHER OR?
>> IS IT THIS ONE? OBJECTIVE 104?
THE REASON I'M ASKING YOU TO BRING THIS UP IS A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, AT THE LAST MEETING, WE WERE DISCUSSING WITH STAFF ON NEXT STEPS AND BRINGING BACK LANGUAGE AS A TEMPLATE FROM.
THAT WAS BROUGHT UP SOLELY AS BASICALLY FOR SOMETHING SO THAT WE COULD DISCUSS WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE, A TOOL TO GUIDE DISCUSSION, NOT NECESSARILY AS A PROPOSAL FOR TEXT CHANGES.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
SECOND, WHEN WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING, WE REALLY FOUND A LOT OF VALUE IN THE SECTION OF THE COMP PLAN, WHICH DRIVES EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SO FAR, SPECIFICALLY ESTABLISHING THAT OVERLAY WITHIN THE SADLER ROAD AREA.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IS AN OVERLAY.
I DON'T THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT JUST LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT CHANGES.
I'M NOT PERSONALLY LOOKING AT THIS AS A QUICK FIX.
I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING MORE HOLISTIC, SOMETHING THAT TAKES MORE TIME BECAUSE WE'RE DRAWING FROM THIS OBJECTIVE FROM OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THAT'S MY THOUGHT.
>> I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT, AND I AGREE WITH YOU.
ME, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M SUMMARIZING THIS ACCURATELY AND CORRECTLY.
IN MY DISCUSSION WITH KELLY AND MARGARET AND MIA, WE DISCUSSED THIS BECAUSE THAT I THOUGHT AS WELL.
THE CONSENSUS FROM STAFF WAS, THAT'S FINE.
BUT UNTIL YOU GET INPUT FROM THESE VARIOUS CONSTITUENCIES AND AUDIENCES, IF THE INPUT FROM THE PUBLICS THAT WE NEED TO SPEAK TO WERE IN CONFLICT WITH THIS.
>> I DON'T KNOW YET. WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO THEM.
>> WELL, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GUIDE DISCUSSION WITH THE PUBLIC IF WE DON'T HAVE A TEMPLATE OF DISCUSSION ITEMS? THAT HASN'T PROVIDED TO SPLIT THE TEMPLATE OF THAT.
I BROUGHT UP THOSE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THINGS JUST AS A TALKING POINT, NOT AS A PROPOSAL.
IF WE ARE NOT ABLE TO TALK ABOUT CERTAIN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT CHANGES OR USE IT AS A TEMPLATE EVEN, THEN STAFF NEEDS TO PROVIDE WITH A SPECIFIC GUIDE WITH NEXT STEPS ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
>> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THINK THAT GOES INTO DEVELOPING MATERIAL FOR OUTREACH EVENTS.
I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN TO VARIOUS OUTREACH EVENTS WHERE THEY HAVE PICTURES OF DIFFERENT STREET-SCAPES AND PEOPLE CAN PUT STICKERS, LIKE GREEN, YELLOW, RED ABOUT THINGS THEY LIKE AND THINGS THEY DON'T LIKE.
I THINK INSTEAD OF HAVING THE TEXT FOR THE LDC, HAVING THOSE GRAPHICAL IMAGES AND HAVING DIFFERENT OPTIONS WHERE PEOPLE CAN GIVE FEEDBACK ON THOSE WOULD BE GOOD.
BUT I DO AGREE WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED ANYTHING LIKE THAT YET.
>> BUT MY THING IS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT? WHAT SPECIFIC CHANGES DO WE WANT TO SEE? WE HAVE TO HAVE AN IDEA OF THOSE ITEMS BEFORE WE EVEN GO INTO IT.
WHY NOT USE SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE AND COMPLETED, AND SOMEWHAT SUCCESSFUL, I WOULD SAY, AS TALKING POINTS? I DON'T SEE WHY THAT'S JUMP AHEAD.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK ABOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS WE'RE GOING THROUGH AS AN OVERLAY IS THAT WE'RE SAYING WE ARE PROPOSING CERTAIN CHANGES TO THIS AREA THAT WE SEE WOULD BE COMMERCIALLY BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS TO DEVELOPERS.
WHAT THAT IS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO DISCUSS.
BUT TO JUST FOCUS ON CHANGING LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SEPARATE OF AN OVERLAY,
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AND OVERLAY TO ME IS A VERY SPECIFIC DEATH DEFINED AREA, AND WE'RE SAYING, IN THIS OVERLAY HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.WHEN YOU TALK TO SOMEONE, YOU BRING SOMEBODY IN AND YOU SAY, HERE'S AN OVERLAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 14TH STREET OR 8TH STREET OR ANYTHING ELSE.
I THINK TO FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HOPING TO SEE IN AN OVERLAY ON SADLER ROAD, GIVES US DIRECTION, IT GIVES US FOCUS, AND IT HELPS TO GET THE FEEDBACK IN A FOCUSED WAY.
IF WE START GOING OFF AND SAY, WELL, WE THINK THIS SECTION OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SHOULD BE CHANGED, AND HERE'S THIS WITHOUT IT BEING VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THIS OVERLAY, WE'LL NEVER GET WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC IN WHAT WE WANT TO SEE SO THAT IT CAN BE PRESENTED TO GET THAT FEEDBACK.
I JUST DON'T WANT US TO BE WANDERING ALL OVER THE PLACE.
>> LET ME THEN YOU DOWN. I AGREE.
WHAT WE HAD BEEN DOING IN THESE WORKSHOPS IS TRYING TO GET YOU A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE SOMETHING TANGIBLE WE CAN SPEAK TO PEOPLE, I HAVE REACTED TO THAT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND THERE IS LOGIC TO DO THAT.
THE ONLY REVISION I WOULD MAKE TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS NOT JUST THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE CHANGES, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE CHANGES TO PRODUCE AN OVERLAY BECAUSE THE EXISTING ZONING REMAINS INTACT, BUT IF HERE IS AN OVERLAY WITH THESE CONDITIONS WHICH WOULD BE TO YOUR BENEFIT TO DO SOMETHING THAT IMPROVES THE CHARACTER OF THE CITY AND YOU CAN DO THAT NOW.
NOW, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ALMOST TO MAKE IT OPEN AND WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE ON 14TH STREET?
>> NOT DONE. THEN TO GET THAT OPEN ENDED INPUT.
THEIR CONCERN IS THAT THESE GROUPS NEED TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE PROCESS BEFORE WE HAVE GOT IT OUT.
>> FOR 14TH STREET, ARE WE FOCUSED ON SADLER ROAD?
>> STAFF HAS AGREED WITH THAT THOUGH.
>> I THINK IT'S CONFUSING BECAUSE YOU SAID 14TH STREET, AND WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT SADLER ROAD.
>> OUR CONCERN IS WE DEVELOP SOMETHING IN THESE WORKSHOPS WHERE IT'S A SMALL GROUP, AND WE BRING THAT TO THE PUBLIC AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT THE HECK, WE WEREN'T EVEN INVOLVED IN THIS.
THIS DOESN'T REFLECT OUR DESIRES AT ALL.
WE'RE LOOKING TO GET SOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT GOING ON THE FRONT END, SO WE CAN TAILOR OUR SOLUTIONS TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS WANTING TO SEE.
>> BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAD ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT DOING.
>> IN MY OPINION, SO SADLER ROAD IS AN OVERLAY.
WHATEVER IS THERE NOW STAYS THERE.
WE DON'T DEAL WITH ANY OF THOSE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES, LAND USE, WHATEVER.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE ADDING TO THIS AREA THOSE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE.
WITHIN THE OVERLAY, WE CAN HAVE SOME LANGUAGE SAYING THAT PROPERTY OWNERS CAN CHOOSE TO DEVELOP IF WE WANT TO CALL IT A NEW NAME OR WHATEVER, THAT WE CAN ADD THOSE THINGS UNDER THAT A NEW 12 OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I'M NOT LOOKING TO MAKE CHANGES TO WHATEVER'S THERE, WE'LL BE HERE FOREVER.
I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF NEW ITEM, NEW IMPROVEMENTS.
THAT CAN BE A BIG LIST OR A SMALL LIST.
SO FAR, WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME ITEMS. ONCE WE'VE IDENTIFIED THEM, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE COMING IN HERE WHERE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHICH WAY WE'RE GOING.
I'VE ALWAYS FELT WE NEED TO WRITE IT, HAVE IT KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEN BRING THEM IN AND LISTEN TO THAT, MAKE CHANGES OR THROW IT OUT OR WHATEVER.
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>> I PUT IT BACK TO THE COMP PLAN AGAIN.
AGAIN, I'M PUTTING IT BACK BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO REINVENT THE WHEEL HERE.
IT'S ALREADY DRAWN OUT FOR US, AND THE REASON THAT WE HAVE BEEN RELYING ON THIS IS BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY PRETTY MUCH DONE.
IT SAYS HERE, THE CITY SHALL ESTABLISH COMMERCIAL OVERLAY DISTRICTS INCLUDES THE SADLER ROAD CORRIDOR.
THEN IT GOES ON TO TELL YOU WHAT THESE DISTRICTS SHOULD BE INTENDED TO PROMOTE.
IT TALKS ABOUT PROMOTING ENERGY EFFICIENT, MIXED USE COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT PROMOTES PEDESTRIAN LEVEL ACTIVITY, MAXIMUM SETBACKS, REDUCED PARKING REQUIREMENTS, LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.
ALL OF THAT'S ALREADY IN HERE.
WHY NOT JUST GO THROUGH, I GUESS, SINCE WE CAN'T LOOK AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND PULL FROM THAT, WE GO THROUGH THIS ONE BY ONE AND DRAW OUT FROM THERE.
THAT'S MY THOUGHT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY COMP PLAN
>> WELL, NOT EVERYTHING THERE THAT WE WANT TO DO.
>> WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE MAIN TOPICS ARE THERE.
>> DAPHNE WE STOLE MY THUNDER BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I THOUGHT WE STARTED, AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE ARE.
>> I KNOW STAFFS NERVOUS ABOUT GETTING DETAILS AND THINKING THAT YOU'RE FORCE FEEDING THAT TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT THEM BEING THERE, BUT IF YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT LANGUAGE, WHICH IS FAIRLY GENERIC, THEN WE'VE GOT NOTHING. WE'VE JUST WASTED OUR TIME.
>> YOU CAN TOTALLY PRESENT THAT.
THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
BUT BEFORE YOU GET INTO RATIOS AND MAINTAINING IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> LET'S GET TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S THERE SO WE CAN POINT OUT THE PROBLEMS THAT WE THINK WE SEE.
>> WE TALKED ABOUT, WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
YOU GOT TO KNOW WHAT'S THERE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE, IF THE CHANGES MAKE IT 70%, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DECIDE.
>> WELL, LET'S EXPLAIN IT TO THEM.
>> THEN IT'S LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING AND CAN GIVE OUR REASONS THAT THEY'RE ALREADY DEVELOPED AT ALMOST 110%.
IT'S NOT REALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE AS IT'S NOW ALLOWING THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THOSE RATIO TO REDEVELOP TO THE HIGHER INTENSITY.
>> I THINK PERSONALLY AFTER HAVING DISCUSSIONS, AND FIGURING IF THE BOOGEYMAN'S REALLY OUT THERE OR NOT ON THIS.
WE OUGHT TO PACKAGE TOGETHER A PARAGRAPH AND SEND IT TO THE COMMISSION.
>> KELLY DID SUGGEST IF YOU GUYS WANT TO [OVERLAPPING]
>> DO YOU SUPPORT THIS OR NOT? BECAUSE THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT WE DON'T SEE THAT THEY SEE ARE HERE.
>> BOOGEYMAN ALWAYS COMES OUT [OVERLAPPING]
>> HE DOES. BEFORE WE START DRAWING UP PLANS AND ONE OF THE REASONS I WANT TO DRAW THE PLAN IS I WANT TO SEE IF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WORKED.
I DIDN'T WANT TO GO OUT AND CREATE SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE OF WORKING.
>> WELL, WOULD THIS PURPOSE BE ENOUGH TO TAKE TO THE COMMISSION?
>> IF THAT IS NOT THE COMP PLAN.
>> WE AGREE. HOW CAN I SAY THIS? I LOOK AT THEM. I DON'T KNOW.
THE COMP PLAN, SO THAT'S THE PLAN?
>> IT'S THE PLAN SO WE'RE GOING TO EXECUTE THAT PLAN.
IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT THERE. WE KNOW WHAT IT IS.
BUT IF PUBLIC INPUT SUGGESTS THAT THAT PLAN IS NOT DESIRED BY THE PUBLIC, IF THE COMMISSION LOOKS AT THAT, GOES, WELL, WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO DO THAT, THAT'S NOT THE PLAN ANYMORE.
>> THAT'S WHY IT'S SO GENERIC, INTENDED TO BE THAT WAY TO RECEIVE THAT PUBLIC INPUT AND REALLY CHANGE IT AND CRAFT IT TO WHAT YOUR COMMUNITY NEEDS ARE.
>> AGAIN, I'VE LOOKED OVER THE NOTES AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE TO OUR FULL BOARD, DO THAT AND THEN TO THE COMMISSION.
I LIKE WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF FORM-BASED CODES, I LIKE WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF SERVICES, I LIKE WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE FORM-BASED CODES RATHER THAN SAYING THESE ARE THE USES, THESE ARE THE USES THAT ARE PROHIBITED.
MY QUESTION THEN TO Y'ALL IS, HOW MUCH MORE DO WE WANT TO DEFINE BEFORE WE START TALKING TO PEOPLE?
>> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO START WRITING.
WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME GOOD EXAMPLES.
THERE'S NO THERE THERE, AS I SAID.
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BUT I THINK WE NEED SOME FEEDBACK.IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO 70% OR WHATEVER THAT PERCENTAGE IS, WE SHOULD WRITE THAT UP.
LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. LET'S GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THEY WILL NOTICE THE PUBLIC WHEN WE GET DOWN TO SOME SPECIFICS.
THEY CAN THEN COME IN AND ADD TO OUR DISCUSSION.
BUT UNTIL WE HAVE SOMETHING SOLID, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BE BOUNCING BACK AND FORTH AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE.
>> WELL, THAT'S ALL WE WANTED IN THE MINUTES, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
I'M GOING TO TAKE A BREAK AND TAKE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT, THE BOARD HAS ARRIVED BECAUSE YOU NEED TO LEAVE?
>> I NEED TO LEAVE. I CAN'T BE HERE VERY LONG, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC OUTREACH AND WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC INPUT, I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU DECIDE NOT TO DO A WORKSHOP FROM 3:00-5:00 WHERE PEOPLE DRIBBLE IN, THAT IT'S A FOCUSED THING.
EVERYBODY IS IN THE ROOM, AND THAT WE DON'T DO THIS THING THAT WE DID AT CENTRAL PARK WHERE WE HAVE POSTERS EVERYWHERE, AND YOU HAVE SO MANY LITTLE RED DOTS AND GREEN DOTS AND YELLOW DOTS, AND YOU CAN PUT IT UNDER.
THAT WAS REALLY A NICE EVENT, BUT IT CAME TO NOTHING.
IF WE COULD HAVE INPUT WHERE EVERYBODY IS IN THE SAME ROOM AND WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION WHETHER IT'S GOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION OR THE WRONG DIRECTION, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR PUBLIC INPUT.
>> I WANT TO MAKE ONE OTHER POINT.
WELL, PUBLIC INPUT, IN THESE MEETINGS, AND WE ALWAYS DON'T ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO ENGAGE WHEN WE'RE ENGAGING.
WE MAKE THEM SIT AND WAIT OR GO TO THE LAB, THREE MINUTES; THIS IS TERRIBLE.
PEOPLE ARE HERE NOW, I WOULD SAY, RAISE YOUR HAND TO BE RECOGNIZED BECAUSE ADDRESS THE SUBJECT THAT'S ON THE TABLE.
I WOULD SAY LET THE PUBLIC INPUT.
>> ARE YOU SAYING A FIVE O'CLOCK? WE'RE YOU SAYING A FIVE O'CLOCK, A NORMAL AFTER-WORK TIME?
>> THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL WORKING AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
I WOULD NEVER DO IT BEFORE 5:30, AND I THINK IT'S EVEN BETTER TO DO IT AT 6:00, BUT I'M NOT WORKING SO YOU COULD DO IT AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON AND I DON'T CARE.
BUT THE MAIN THING IS TO HAVE IT REALLY WELL ADVERTISED.
I DIDN'T KNOW YOU GUYS WERE MEETING TODAY.
I JUST HAPPENED TO BE GOING UPSTAIRS AND PUT MY HEAD IN AND HERE YOU GUYS ARE, SO I FIGURE OUT I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING.
>> WE ALWAYS HAVE OUR MEETINGS AT ONE O'CLOCK ON WEDNESDAY.
IF YOU WANT TO HAVE PUBLIC INPUT, THEY HAVE TO BE LATER WHEN PEOPLE AREN'T WORKING.
>> WELL, I THINK AT THE POINT WHEN WE ARE READY TO START GETTING THAT PUBLIC INPUT, WE NEED TO HAVE IT AT THIS HOURS.
>> AT OUR HEARINGS, IN OUR PRELIMINARY.
>> I THINK THEN THE QUESTION ON THE TABLE IS, WHAT MORE DO WE WANT TO DO TO TIGHTEN UP, MARK SAID SOME MORE WRITING, TO GET WHAT WE'VE DECIDED MORE FORMALIZED.
>> WELL, I'LL INTERJECT BECAUSE I THINK THAT I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MARK.
I'D LIKE TO GET THE DEVILS, THE DETAILS, AND IF YOU CAN AT LEAST THROW SOMETHING OUT THERE, PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT OUR THOUGHT PROCESS IS.
BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE FIGHTING STAFF, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
THEY'RE AFRAID TO TAKE THE LEAP, I THINK.
THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT, UNTIL WE GET BY IN, IN MY MIND FROM THE COMMISSION OF WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING.
>> I WANT TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT I FELT LIKE.
THAT'S AFTER THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAD, I FELT THIS WAS ENOUGH TO GO TO THE COMMISSION AND SAY, HERE'S THE AREA WE'RE STUDYING.
WE'RE FOLLOWING THE COMP PLAN, AND JUST LIKE DAPHNE SAID, YOU PUT IT IN THERE, AND WE'RE TALKING MIXED USE, WE'RE TALKING ALL THE ITEMS THAT ARE THERE. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT?
>> THAT'S AS SIMPLE AS FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM KELLY, A MEMO THAT YOU GUYS CAN WRITE THE CITY [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DIDN'T MEAN TO FIGHT THE STAFF.
>> KEEP IN MIND WE ARE THE PLANNING BOARD.
THAT'S WHAT OUR MAIN AREA OF EXPERTISE DIRECTION IS.
THE COMMISSION APPROVES EVERYTHING WE DO, AND WE ALWAYS WANT THEM TO BE WITH US ON IT.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE THE PLANNING BOARD.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING GIVE TO THE COMMISSION.
IF YOU KEEP GOING GENERAL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYWHERE.
IF YOU PUT DOWN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AGAIN, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TODAY, BUT IN TWO WEEKS, IF WE'VE DECIDED THAT 70% IS THE NUMBER WE LIKE TO SEE IN THIS OVERLAY, WRITE THAT NUMBER DOWN.
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THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE CONSIDERING.DO YOU SEE ANY OBJECTIONS TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT NOW? LET'S HEAR WHAT THAT IS.
THEY CAN SAY, THROW IT ALL OUT, BUT WE HAVEN'T WAITED THROUGH THE ENTIRE.
>> THE CONCERN I HAVE WITH THAT MARK IS, IF WE KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH TO THE COMMISSION ON EVERY SINGLE DETAIL, NOW, AGAIN, I AGREE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS A BIG TOPIC.
BUT I THINK THAT TO GO BACK TO WHAT NICK WAS SAYING, AND WHAT I HEARD AT OUR FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS YEAR, AND THE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT WAS KEY.
NOW, I THINK GOING BACK TO THE COMMISSION TO SAY, WE ARE LOOKING AT A SADDLER ROAD OVERLAY, THE PURPOSE IS TO DO X, AND HERE'S THE PICTURE OF IT.
I THINK THAT THAT PUTS THEIR FOCUS ON WHAT OUR WORK IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE THEY NEVER SAID, AND WE NEVER SAID TOGETHER, WHAT COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT WAS GOING TO BE? WAS IT GOING TO BE SADDLER ROAD? WAS IT GOING TO BE 14TH? WAS IT GOING TO BE 8TH? WHERE WAS THAT GOING TO BE? WE'VE TAKEN SOME STEPS.
>> WE'VE ALREADY MADE THOSE DECISION.
SOME OF THOSE, WE DECIDED TO BREAK IT INTO SEVERAL AREAS.
>> I THINK THAT TO GET THEIR INITIAL FEEDBACK TO SAY, YES, WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
THIS IS THE AREA. HERE'S OUR PURPOSE.
IT FOLLOWS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I THINK IT MEETS WHAT THEY REQUESTED, WHICH WAS TO PERIODICALLY BE INFORMED OF THE PROGRESS WE'RE MAKING ON THESE PROJECTS.
>> BUT I'M NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING FOR PERMISSION HERE.
IN MY MIND, YOU COULD PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING.
WE'RE WORKING ON WHAT YOU TOLD US TO WORK ON.
THESE ARE THE AREAS AND THESE ARE THE SUBTITLES OR WHATEVER.
GIVE IT TO THEM AT ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS.
YOU HAVE COMMENTS, LET US KNOW.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THESE WERE CONCEPTS THAT WE DISCUSSED IN OUR JANUARY MEETING, AND THEY WERE NOT SPECIFIC.
NOW WE'VE TAKEN IT TO A LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY THAT I THINK THEY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT.
IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO AT LEAST THEM SAY, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
>> I GET YOU. I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THEM INFORMED.
>> BUT THAT CAN BE DONE IN THE REGULAR MEETINGS AS PART OF THEIR AGENDA.
>> I WOULD AGREE. I JUST THINK THAT WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE A BIG PRESENTATION ABOUT IT.
>> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PRESENTATION.
>> THE STAFF CAN JUST DO A MEMO.
>> YEAH, THEY CAN DO A MEMO AND PUT IT IN THE SYSTEM.
>> IF WE DON'T HEAR ANYTHING, WE MOVE ON.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I AGREE, MARK.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE CORRECT PLACE TO INJECT THIS, IT'S REALLY MORE A QUESTION.
I THINK IT'S REALLY MORE DIRECTED TO MEMBER GILLETTE BECAUSE HE'S AN ENGINEER AND I'M NOT.
LOOKING TO SEE DOES THIS WHOLE THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE SUBJECT, WE'RE IN HERE, ARE WE LOOKING AT RESILIENCY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPERVIOUS SURFACES? WHAT Y'ALL ARE DISCUSSING OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, DOES THAT INCLUDE THINGS LIKE THAT OR WE'RE JUST TALKING?
>> TALKING ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND IN THE LAND USE.
EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ALREADY THERE.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT TWEAKING SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS, I THINK, AND MAYBE ADDING MORE TO IT TO MAKE IT MORE UNDERSTANDABLE BECAUSE THEY SAID, WELL, NOBODY CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THINGS ARE NOW AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.
>> DOES THIS AFFORD US THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE UPGRADE SOME BETTER BUILDING PRACTICES SUCH AS GOING FROM 70% PERMEABLE TO 50%? OR DOES THE STATE ALLOW US TO ADD STRICTER BUILDING CODES? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL ON THAT STREET.
>> AGAIN, IN MY MIND, I'M TALKING ABOUT AN OVERLAY.
WE HAVE ALL OF THE LAND USE, LAND DEVELOPMENT, ZONING, WHATEVER IS THERE.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT NECESSARILY CHANGING THOSE.
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I DON'T CARE, MU 12.IF YOU DECIDE TO GO IN MU 12 OR PART OF THE OVERLAY, YOU CAN REDEVELOP YOUR PROPERTY TO 70%, OR 80%, OR 90%.
WHEN WE GET INTO PARKING, YOU CAN REDUCE SOME PARKING AREAS OR WHATEVER BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE'RE GOING TO DO IS GOING TO BE SPECIFIC TO THIS AREA ONLY, AND IT STILL GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO DEVELOP WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO THAT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT BETTER.
>> JUST TO ADD TO THAT AND JUST TO ANSWER MORE BROADLY TO YOUR QUESTION, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE SECTION THAT WE ARE RELYING ON EXCLUSIVELY HERE, DIRECTS US TO CONSIDER THOSE THINGS SUCH AS ENERGY EFFICIENT, DEVELOPMENT, LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES, AND ENHANCED LANDSCAPING, THOSE THINGS.
IT IS TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION TO THE TOP OF THE PLAN.
>> BUT EVEN OUTSIDE THE CURRENT LAND USE, AS THE PLANNING BOARD, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO START PLANNING.
I'M JUST SAYING I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMISSION THINKS THIS IS THE RIGHT AREA.
>> WELL, AFTER WE HAVE SOMETHING DOWN.
I WOULD SEND THEM A MEMO, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT.
HAVE ANY FEEDBACK, LET US KNOW.
>> I'M NOT SURE FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT IF THAT MEMO COMES FROM STAFF OR IF IT COMES FROM Y'ALL.
>> SO IT GOES FOR MOST TO YOU TO THEM.
>> THIS IS THE MEMO RIGHT HERE.
>> ON THE LAST MEETING, WE WORK OUT SOME LANGUAGE OR WHATEVER, HERE IT IS.
>> IF THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEN I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE REFERENCED.
>> THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YES.
>> I AGREE WITH Y'ALL. WE SHOULD DO THAT.
I THINK IT'S GREAT BECAUSE IT GIVES CREDIBILITY TO THE WHOLE THING THAT WE'RE DOING.
JUST RELAYING INFORMATION HERE.
THE COMP PLAN IS NOT SCRIPTURE TO STAFF.
>> COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS SCRIPTURE.
>> YES, IT IS, I'M TELLING YOU.
>> LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS NOT.
>> THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS, NOTHING TWEAKS THAT.
>> MARK WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS THAT I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MEMBERS OF THE STAFF WHO SAY THIS WAS WRITTEN IN SO MANY YEARS AGO, AND IF THE PUBLIC IS NOT IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT, WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
>> WELL, I DON'T THINK ANYONE SUGGESTING THAT WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING CONTRARY TO WHAT THE PUBLIC IS IN FAVOR OF.
>> THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE OVERRIDING, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORD, BIBLE OF PLAN FOR ANY CITY MUNICIPALITY IN FLORIDA.
>> BUT LET'S LET THE ELECTED PEOPLE TELL US IT'S OKAY, AS OPPOSED TO THE APPOINTED PEOPLE THAT IS DOING IT. IT'S MY MIND.
>> WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THEN IS THAT OUR CHAIRMAN, I THINK YOU JUST NEED TO HAVE FEW SHORT PARAGRAPHS THAT JUST SAY, WE'VE MET IN WORKSHOPS, WE HAVE ESTABLISHED HIS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THE AGENCY MET, AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE.
>> IT SHOULD BE SHORT AND SWEET.
THEN YOU CAN ASK STAFF TO PLEASE PRESENT THIS IN THE PACKET FOR THE NEXT CITY COMMISSION MEETING AS INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSION.
>> WE SHOULD DO THAT BEFORE IT GOES OUT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] REALLY, WE KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO SAY.
>> I THINK THEY ARE. I THINK THEY CAN WRITE A MEMO, AND IT SHOULDN'T BE LONG AND COMPLICATED.
IT NEEDS TO BE REALLY SHORT AND SWEET.
WE WERE DIRECTED TO LOOK AT COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT IN OUR JANUARY PAB JOINT MEETING WITH THE COMMISSION.
WE ARE FOLLOWING UP AS WE AGREED.
>> I'M GOING TO KEEP STRESSING THAT, THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY.
YOU GOT TO GET THAT IN YOUR MIND.
WE'RE NOT JUST THE PAB, WE ARE THE OFFICIAL LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY FOR THIS CITY, AND WE HAVE ABILITIES TO BRING UP, TO TALK ABOUT TAKE WHATEVER.
WE WANT TO HAVE THE COMMISSION BECAUSE, HOPEFULLY, THEY'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT, BUT KEEP IN MIND, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS THAT.
WE HOLD THE MEETING, WE GET THE FEEDBACK. WE WRITE IT UP.
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>> IT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THE MEMBERS HERE THAT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT INFORMATION IN PLACE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT THERE.
>> IT SAYS RIGHT HERE, WE REFERENCE POLICY 10404 OF THE COMP PLAN WITH THIS IS MAP, AND THAT'S IT.
>> BASED ON THAT, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT INFIRMARY SERVICES, PARKING, AND WHATEVER OTHER ITEMS.
>> I WOULDN'T EVEN BRING THAT UP.
>> I WOULD JUST LEAVE. I THINK THIS IS ALL WE NEED WITH THE REFERENCE OF WHERE THIS CAME FROM.
>> I THINK WE DO EXACTLY WHAT DAPHNE JUST SAID.
>> CAN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THESE STEPS IN THE PLANNING PROCESS AGAIN JUST SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT OVERSTEPPING ANYTHING?
>> MAYOR YOU WANTED TO RUN THROUGH THAT?
>> I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THE STUFF WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS MAPPING AND RESEARCH.
ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO LEARN FROM THIS MEETING WAS WHAT OTHER RESEARCH NEEDS ARE THERE SO I HAVE THAT SPREADSHEET AND WE CAN ADD COLUMNS TO THAT SPREADSHEET AND I CAN BEGIN TO FILL IT IN, BUT I WAS JUST HOPING TODAY FOR SOME MORE DIRECTION FOR RESEARCH.
THEN WE COULD START MAYBE CREATING A STAKEHOLDER LIST FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, AND THEN START BRAINSTORMING ABOUT WHAT THAT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION WOULD LOOK LIKE.
ALSO ON OUR WEBSITE, THIS IS THE A STREET OVERLAY REVITALIZATION EFFORTS.
THIS EXPLAINS THE GOAL, THE BACKGROUND, THE PROCESS, THE WORKING GROUP THAT WAS CREATED, AS WELL AS ALL OF THEIR PUBLIC OUTREACH EFFORTS SO WE COULD TALK ABOUT WHAT A SURVEY COULD LOOK LIKE AND WHAT OTHER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPTIONS THERE ARE, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT MAPPING AND RESEARCH, AND THEN GOING INTO INTERNAL STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AND INPUT.
I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO SEND THAT MEMO TO COMMISSION THAT YOU'RE BEGINNING TO GO THROUGH A PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE OVERLAY TO HUSH OUT SOME OF THOSE DETAILS.
>> I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY ASKING ABOUT RESEARCH RELATED TO THE AREA?
>> SOME OF IT, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT RESEARCH WE NEED RIGHT NOW.
WE START ON THE BASICS, WHO'S THERE, WHAT'S THERE? THEN WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT PARKING OR WHATEVER, WE CAN THEN FIND OUT, HOW MUCH PARKING IS AVAILABLE IN EACH ONE OF THOSE PLACES NOW? WHAT DOES HAPPEN IF WE CHANGED THAT? WE'RE GOING TO BE INTO SOME REALLY SPECIFIC AREAS THAT WE'RE NOT READY TO EVEN JUMP INTO AT THIS POINT.
>> I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT RESEARCH EVEN MEANS ON THIS.
OTHER THAN WHAT'S THERE TODAY, WHICH IS VERY EASILY IDENTIFIABLE, WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED?
UNDERSTANDING OF THE CORRIDOR BY DOING RESEARCH AND LEARNING ABOUT ITS HISTORY IN THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, DATA AND MAP-BASED ANALYSIS FOR THE CORRIDOR BOUNDARY, VISITS TO THE SITE, AND STUDIES ANY AREAS, ALL EXISTING PLANS FOR THE AREAS.
>> THAT DOESN'T MEAN A WHOLE LOT TO ME.
>> WE'RE GETTING BOGGED DOWN IN LANGUAGE.
THAT'S REALLY SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME AND I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY CONDUCIVE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT'S A PART OF RESEARCH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
>> IT COULD ALSO BE SOMETHING LIKE MEMBER GILLETTE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHAT DOES DIFFERENT URBAN FORMS LOOK LIKE? WHAT IS THAT DESIGN? WHAT COULD WE PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC TO GET FEEDBACK ON? ARE THERE BUILDINGS RIGHT UP ON THE ROAD? IS THERE A MULTI-USE PATH? WHAT HAVE OTHER CITIES DONE IN THIS SAME VEIN?
>> IN THE SAME SMALL AREA. THAT'S WHAT I GO BACK TO.
>> RESEARCH THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE, WE WERE TALKING TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
WHO'S GOT THAT LIST? WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY.
IN THE PAST, WE'VE TALKED WITH THEM ABOUT THEIR NEEDS.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT WAS THE CONTENT OF THOSE INTERVIEWS PREVIOUSLY? WERE THEY DONE ONE ONE-ON-ONE, THE STEPS TO INDICATE THE [INAUDIBLE] PROBABLY WERE.
>> ARE YOU SAYING WE HAVE INTERVIEWED PROPERTY OWNERS?
>> FOR THIS, NO. I'M SAYING I'M GUESSING THAT IN THE PAST, WE HAD PROBABLY DONE THAT.
I LOOK TO SEE WHAT HAVE WE'VE DONE.
HOW DID WE TALK TO THOSE PEOPLE? DID WE GO TO THEIR OFFICE ONE ON ONE AND INTERVIEW?
>> [OVERLAPPING] THIS SHOWS US WHAT WE DID.
IN 2014, ACTUALLY, ON MAY 25TH, WE DID A PUBLIC SURVEY ONLINE.
THEN WE SENT OUT ON THE 22ND A BUSINESS OWNER AND PROPERTY OWNER MAIL SURVEY TO EACH OF THOSE PEOPLE. THAT'S HOW THEY GOT TO THEM.
>> WHEN WE HAD REGULAR MEETINGS WEEKLY THAT PEOPLE WERE INVITED TO.
>> WE'D HAVE TO GET EVERYONE ON THE NASDAQ COUNTY APPRAISAL WEBSITE.
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IT'LL SHOW YOU INFREQUENT DATA.>> YOU CAN GENERATE A MAILING LIST WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE?
>> I ACTUALLY WAS TOLD, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHO OWNS THE LOTS CENTER, BUT WE'RE GOING TO MAIL THE SURVEY?
>> HE'S VERY ENGAGED WITH THIS THING.
>> THEY DO HAVE MONKEY SURVEY WHERE THEY GO ONLINE AND WE'LL HEAR FROM YOU.
>> AT WHAT POINT DID THE CITY START TO ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC FROM, SAY, A NEW NEWSPAPER.
BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T TUNE IN TO OUR MEETINGS.
>> BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT, AND I'LL GO BACK TO MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE BEACH ACCESS COMMITTEE THAT I CHAIRED.
THERE WERE SEVERAL WEEKS OF ARTICLES THAT WERE IN THE FERNANDINA PAPER THAT BASICALLY ANNOUNCED THE FACT THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A GROUP MADE UP OF NOT ONLY JUST PAB MEMBERS, BUT ALSO, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS WHAT WE WERE GOING TO STUDY.
THIS IS HOW LONG IT WAS GOING TO TAKE, AND THIS IS THE RESULT AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT THE CITY WAS HOPING FOR.
THAT FRAMED OUR OUR WORK, AND LET THE PUBLIC KNOW, YES, THIS IS WHAT THIS GROUP WAS GOING TO DO, AND YOU CAN BE AT THE MEETINGS OR NOT, BUT THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I THINK THAT WE DON'T WANT THAT PEOPLE JUST PASSING THROUGH THIS BUILDING AND HAPPEN TO SEE US SITTING HERE AND IT'S LIKE, WONDER WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
IF WE'RE GOING TO REALLY DO THIS RIGHT AND GET THE FEEDBACK WE WANT, WE'VE GOT TO START, IT'S NOT A PR CAMPAIGN, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY THAT SAYS, WE'RE GOING TO START TO PULL YOU GUYS IN, AND WE WANT TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK.
>> BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING.
>> WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IS LOOKING AT THIS TIMELINE, AND ACTUALLY, THIS IS THE 8TH STREET.
>> YEAH. THIS IS ON THE CITY WEBSITE, 8TH STREET REVITALIZATION EFFORTS.
>> YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY STARTED EACH THING, BUT IF YOU LOOK, SO THIS STARTED IN 2014.
THEN PUBLIC OUTREACH IS IN 2016.
>> WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DOING PUBLIC OUTREACH?
>> BASED OFF OF THIS LOGIC WE'RE EXTREMELY EARLY.
>> PEOPLE WERE COMING IN EVERY MEETING.
THE PUBLIC WAS WORKING WITH US WHEN WE GOT SOMETHING TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHEN WE HAD THE SURVEYS AND THE MEETINGS AND WE WENT OVER WHAT WE'VE DONE AND MOVED ON, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING YET.
WE GOT TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT HAVING OTHERS COME IN HERE.
ANYONE CAN COME INTO THIS MEETING.
WE WANT MORE PEOPLE, OR YOU WANT TO DO IT LATER AND GET MORE PEOPLE.
LATER WE ARE, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT WILL SHOW UP.
THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE HISTORICALLY.
AS FAR AS ALL THESE OWNERSHIPS DOWNTOWN HERE, ONCE WE HAVE THAT RECORD OF WHO'S INVOLVED, WE COULD SEND THEM ALL A NOTICE SAYING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AN OVERLAY, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING.
IF YOU JUST OPEN-END EVERYTHING, WE'LL NEVER GET OUT OF HERE.
>> BEFORE THERE WERE FIVE PRESS RELEASES THAT WERE INCLUDED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF THE 8TH STREET CHANGES, AND THOSE WERE ARTICLES EXACTLY LIKE WHAT YOU MENTIONED, SO YOU'RE RIGHT ON IT, AND THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN MAY AND SEPTEMBER OF 2014.
>> ALSO, IN THIS PROCESS, THERE WAS THE FORMATION OF A WORKING GROUP WHICH INCLUDED THE PAB, BUT ALSO INCLUDED MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN THE AREA.
MAYBE A STEP BEFORE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IS LIKE FORMING THAT WORKING GROUP AND FIGURING OUT WHO THOSE STAKEHOLDERS ARE THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE ROOM AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS AND THEN OPEN IT UP AFTER YOU HAVE SOMETHING MORE CONCRETE.
>> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
>> YES, I AGREE. FORGET I SAID IT.
THE THOUGHT CAME IN AND IT WENT OUT, SO IT'LL COME BACK TO ME.
>> MAYBE THAT'S OUR MEMO TO THE COMMISSION TOO,
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IS IF WE PUT A WORKING GROUP OF CITIZENRY ON IT, WHO DO THEY WANT? LET THEM MAKE THAT DECISION.>> I THINK TOO, WE NEED TO HAVE OUR EXPECTATIONS THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A QUICK THING, THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING, WHAT WAS THIS? OVER A YEAR YEAR.
>> BUT I DON'T WANT TO MEET 26 TIMES A YEAR AND TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING.
>> LOOK HOW MANY MEETINGS WE HAVE ALREADY, AND WE'VE GONE NOWHERE, OTHER THAN IDENTIFY AN AREA.
>> NOW, WE'VE DONE A DECENT BIT.
>> WE'VE GOT OUR HAND SLAPPED TOO FOR DOING TOO MUCH, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IN THE RIGHT ORDER.
THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM WHY WE'VE GOT TO WORK.
>> IT'S EASY ENOUGH TO HAVE PUT SOME CITIZENS ON THIS SUBCOMMITTEE IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT THE WORKING GROUP.
Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO FORMALIZE EVERYTHING, AND I UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR THAT, BUT WE HAD, BY OPENING UP THIS GROUP TO PUBLIC COMMENT, MADE US A WORKING GROUP FROM THE PUBLIC TOO.
OF COURSE, WE HAD QUITE A FEW PEOPLE SHOW UP.
>> I THINK THE FIRST STEP IS GETTING THIS MEMO TO THE COMMISSION.
THEN I LIKED YOUR IDEA, NICK, ABOUT INCLUDING THE WORKING GROUP, ASKING THEM FOR FEEDBACK ON THAT, IF THEY'D LIKE TO INCLUDE ON THAT AND WE LIVE IT TO THEM.
>> I'D BE LITERARY TO DO A WHOLE LOT MORE UNTIL WE GET THAT.
>> I WOULD TOO, AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD, I AGREE WITH WHAT WE'VE SAID, BUT THEN TO PLAN FORMALLY WHAT THESE ENGAGEMENTS WITH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL AUDIENCES LOOK LIKE.
MAYBE YOU ALREADY KNOW, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHO HOW AND WHEN WE DO THAT, AND WHAT CAN WE PRESENT TO THEM OR SHOW THEM.
I THINK STAFF IS SAYING, WE'LL KEEP IT OPEN ENDED, AND I THINK WE'RE SAYING, WE HAVE SOME THOUGHTS, WE HAVE SOME IDEAS, WE WANT THEM TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING, SO LET'S GET THAT RECONCILED.
FOR ME, SO THE MEMO IS GOOD, AND THE WORKING GROUP IS GOOD, BUT I WANT TO BEGIN TO TALK TO THESE INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL AUDIENCES AND KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
>> I THINK NOW WE'RE BACK ON MORE OF THE TRACK FOR FOLLOWING THE PLANNING PROCESS.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT KELLY AND MARGARET WILL BE ABLE TO GET BEHIND AND ALSO GIVE ME GUIDANCE ON HOW TO GUIDE YOU.
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY SOME SPECIFICS.
WE ALREADY SPENT TIME ON THAT.
WE KNOW WHAT SOME OF THAT IS, BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT, THE WHY WHEN, WHERE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS GO WITH IT.
>> WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE WITH THIS.
>> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RICHARD, BUT I THINK THAT AS MARK HAS WELL SAID, THAT UNTIL WE HAVE REALLY SOME SPECIFICS OF A PLAN.
THAT WAS THE THING THAT I HAPPENED TO LOOK OVER YOUR SHOULDER WHEN YOU WERE DOING YOUR LITTLE NOTES AT OUR LAST MEETING, AND YOU HAD YOUR DRAWING, AND I THOUGHT THAT I COULD START TO VISUALIZE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
THAT'S THAT CULMINATION OF WHAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT INTO PICTURES.
THEN THAT'S WHEN I THINK THAT WE START TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC.
I AGREE WITH MARK. IF WE DON'T HAVE SOME SPECIFICS, WE WILL BE HERE ALL DAY THROUGH THE NEXT 10 YEARS TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
WE'RE GOING TO GET PUSHED BACK ON THAT.
>> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT BECAUSE WE'VE DONE OUR RESEARCH, WE'VE HAD OUR INPUT.
>> WHY WOULD WE GET PUSHED BACK ON THAT?
>> [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T THINK, AT THIS POINT, THERE'S HARM IN DISCUSSING THOSE THINGS BECAUSE WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEND THE MEMO TO CITY COMMISSION, AND WE'RE GOING TO START PUTTING TOGETHER A WORKING GROUP, AND I'VE JUST HIGHLIGHTED WHAT THE WORKING GROUP FOR THE 8TH STREET PROJECT LOOKED LIKE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT KELLY AND MARGARET WERE ASKING ME TO DO, WAS TO RE-ESTABLISH THE PLANNING PROCESS, WHICH IT FEELS TO ME THAT IT'S BEEN RE-ESTABLISHED.
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NOW MAYBE WE CAN START TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICS AND WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC.>> THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
>> WE WERE GOING TO STILL FOLLOW UP ON ENGAGING EXTERNAL AUDIENCES IN [INAUDIBLE] SO WE KNOW WHAT TO DO, WHEN YOU'RE READY TO DO THAT.
>> WELL, I THINK STAFF IS ALREADY PROBABLY PUTTING TOGETHER A LIST OF INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL NAMES, CONTACT SO THAT WE CAN START TO ROLL THAT OUT.
THE INTERNAL, I WOULD START WITH FIRST AND THEN GET THAT FEEDBACK.
I THINK THAT THAT WILL FLOW PRETTY FAST.
>> I AGREE. WE ARE FOLLOWING THE PLAN HERE THAT THEY GAVE US IN STEP 2, PRELIMINARY MAPPING AND RESEARCH.
THIS IS RIGHT IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT IS PRESENTED TO US.
>> AGAIN, WE ARE THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY, WE CAN TAKE UP ANY AREA THAT WE WANT TO.
>> BUT WE KEEP GOING BACK LIKE A CHILD, I WANT PERMISSION FROM MOM AND DAD.
>> WELL, IT'S BECAUSE HISTORICALLY, WHEN WE HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH COMMUNICATION WITH CERTAIN GROUPS, [OVERLAPPING]
>> I ONLY KNOW ONE CASE THAT HAPPENED.
>> I KNOW OF SEVERAL. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF STUFF ON THIS.
>> THAT'S WHY, THOUGH. IS BECAUSE WE GET PUSHED BACK BECAUSE EITHER SOMEONE FEELS LIKE THEY'RE LEFT UNINFORMED OR, ANY NUMBER OF THINGS. BUT THAT'S WHY.
>> WE'VE AGREED THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THE COMMISSION A MEMO WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO GO FORWARD ON THE SADDLER ROAD OVERLAY, AND WE WILL ASK FOR ANY COMMENTS.
ANY FEEDBACK FROM THEM, BE APPRECIATED.
>> THE SECOND THING WE'RE GOING TO DO IS?
>> WE'RE ADDING IN THAT MEMO THAT WE WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER HELPING US ESTABLISH REFORM A WORKING GROUP SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE IN THE [OVERLAPPING]
>> ARE YOU GUYS TAKING NOTES ON THAT?
>> SECOND THING IS WE WANT TO ESTABLISH THE WORKING GROUP, WHICH REALLY IS A MAJOR STEP IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT.
>> IF THEY HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHO SHOULD BE [OVERLAPPING]
>> HERE'S THE LIST FROM THE PREVIOUS, SO WE COULD DRAW FROM THAT.
STEP 3 IS THIRD GOAL, IS DO WE START TO IDENTIFY THE AREAS THAT WE REALLY WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ON?
>> WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. THE ROAD.
>> WELL, I THINK SHE MEANS SPECIFIC.
>> IDENTIFY THE INTENSITY PARKING AND, WHAT ELSE DO WE DO? [OVERLAPPING] WE HAVE SOME MAJOR AREA [OVERLAPPING]
>> ARE WE GOING TO WAIT FOR THE BIG GROUP?
>> WELL, I THINK THAT WORK'S BEEN DONE ALREADY IN TERMS OF IDENTIFYING VERY BROAD LEVEL TOPICS THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE COM PLAN SECTION ALREADY.
THAT WILL BE THE VERY BROAD THING THAT TOPIC AREAS AND THEN IT GETS BROKEN DOWN AND DISCUSSED AS NEEDED.
>> REALLY, WHAT WE'RE SAYING WITH THIS PROPOSAL TO THE CITY COMMISSION IS, WE'RE READY TO LAUNCH TO THE NEXT STEP, WHICH REALLY IS THIS STEP 3.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT WE START TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF ALL THE THINGS, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, THE PARKING, THE SETBACKS, ALL THAT STUFF, UNTIL WE HAVE THIS NEW GROUP THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO.
>> [OVERLAPPING] RIGHT NOW. WE CAN GET INTO IT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> ONCE THOSE OTHER PEOPLE CAN JOIN IN, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME OUTLINES OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE HAVE AN EXPERT HERE [LAUGHTER] AND WE HAVE OTHER EXPERTS HERE.
>> WHY DON'T WE LEAVE THAT UP TO THE COMMISSION? DO THEY WANT US TO ESTABLISH THE GUIDELINES FOR THE WORKING GROUP OR THE [INAUDIBLE] IF YOU WILL.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED ALL OF THESE SUBJECTS.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOUR-BASED CODES, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MILL MARKING MINIMUMS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, WHICH I THINK IS GOING TO END UP BEING A NEGOTIATED ITEM AS POTENTIAL THINGS COME UP.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERS.
WE JUST HAVEN'T ADDED THE SPECIFIC,
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BUT I THINK WE HAVE WORKED AND IDENTIFIED ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT FOR A GOOD NUMBER WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CONNECTIVITY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PEDESTRIAN, AND EXCUSE.I THINK THE BIG CATEGORIES WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ARCHITECTURE, WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SIGNAGE.
I THINK WE'RE A LOT FURTHER ON AND BEYOND HAVING NOTHING.
I THINK WE GET ANONIC APPROVAL AS DIRECTIONALLY, THIS IS GOOD.
AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE IDENTIFICATION OF SPECIFICS TO AS SMALL A GROUP AS WE CAN GET AWAY WITH AND THEN PRESENT THAT TO THE BIG GROUP, WHERE WE'RE GETTING MORE INPUT AND GETTING MORE SUGGESTIONS.
BUT THE FINE DETAILS, I THINK, CAN BE BETTER HANDLED BY A SMALL GROUP THAT A BIG MODEL [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIG GROUP.
FOR THE MOST PART, THE PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP FOR H STREET WERE COTTONER.
>> EVERY MEETING WE EVER WENT TO WE HAD SOME ATTORNEYS AT EVERY MEETING.
WE HAD THE PEOPLE THAT WERE GOING TO BE HANDLING THESE THINGS AND WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE HERE ALREADY, FROM THE PUBLIC.
>> BUT I THINK IF WE ADD THAT LIST THAT WE SAW ON THE WEBSITE TO IDENTIFY.
>> I THINK THAT WILL GO A LONG WAY TO HELP THEM GIVE THEM SOME GUIDANCE.
>> SURE. THEN THEY SAY YOU GUYS DO IT.
>> THEN JUST TURN IT THEN STAFF CAN HELP FIND PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO BE ON THIS COMMUNITY.
>> SOME PEOPLE MIGHT JUST COME AND GO.
IF THE MEETING'S AT A TIME THAT'S REASONABLE THAT THEY COULD COME [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT I THINK BOTH THE WORKING GROUP.
WE WANT TO VERY CAREFULLY CHOOSE SOME OF THE PEOPLE.
>> BUT YOU PROBABLY CAN'T FIND ONE NAME OF A PERSON THAT WAS ON THAT WORKING GROUP.
>> THEY CHECK YOU IN, YOUR ABSENCES.
>> WELL, MY POINT IS I DON'T RECALL IT BEING OFFICIALLY KNOWN AS THE WORKING GROUP.
>> IT WAS. WE SAT UP HERE ON THIS THING AND WE HAD.
>> WE SAT UP HERE AND WE HAD PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.
PEOPLE WERE INVITED TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE SUBJECTS WE WERE CURRENTLY TALKING ABOUT.
WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK AND WE MOVED FORWARD VERY QUICKLY WHEN WE OPENED UP OUR MEETINGS TO ANYONE WHO HAD A COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC ITEM.
>> THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE THOUGHTS THAT WERE PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER ON THE A STREET SMALL AREA PLAN?
>> I REMEMBER ROBIN WAS THEIR ROSE BEFORE SHE RAN FOR ELECTION.
>> WE'VE GOT THAT. DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE WORKING ON, WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO FOR THE REST OF THIS MEETING, ARE WE?
>> I THINK UNTIL WE GET ON FROM IT. I WONDER.
>> I FEEL LIKE ARCHIE BUNKER SOMETIME.
[LAUGHTER] EVERYTHING'S DELAY.
>> I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR THE CITY.
I AM VERY APPRECIATIVE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FOUND THE BEST ABOUT YOU ALL IS THE WAY THAT YOU TALK THROUGH THINGS AND JUST THE WAY THAT YOU DO BUSINESS, I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH IT, AND I REALLY LIKE IT, AND I WISH THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE.
>> SIT DOWN AND TAKE US IN, WE'LL GET YOU A CARD.
>> I SINCERELY THANK YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.
I KNOW WE TAKE TIMES AWAY FROM FAILING YOUR BUSINESSES TO WORK FOR THE CITY.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU ON A LOT OF IT.
WE KNOW THE CHALLENGES, WE KNOW WHERE WE THINK IT WILL GO, AND WE WANT TO GET THERE AS FAST AS WE CAN.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO HURT SOMEBODY ELSE FEELINGS BY GOING AROUND THEM AND NOT GETTING THE PUBLICLY ELECTED OFFICIALS AS WELL.
>> IT'S JUST CHECKING BOXES IN A WAY.
>> AGAIN, WE STARTED OUR MEETING WHEN SOMEBODY CAME IN AND SAID, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU WERE MEETING, AND IT'S A BAD TIME.
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I JUST WANT YOU TO THINK OF, I LIKE THIS TIME, BUT FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES.>> I THINK THEY COULD JUST LOOK IT ONLINE. IT'S LEGITIMATE TOO.
>> THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE SENDING EMAILS AND COMMENTS AND LISTENING AFTER THE FACT.
YOU CAN LISTEN AT ANY POINT YOU WANT TO.
>> THEY COULD STALK FACEBOOK TOO WHEN [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'RE NOT IN A VACUUM HERE.
>> BUT I THINK THOSE PUBLIC POSTINGS, THOSE TESTIMONIALS FROM THE WORKING GROUP MEMBERS LIKE THIS DRAW ATTENTION SUBTLY OR UNSUBTLY DEPENDING ON WHO'S PAYING ATTENTION TO THE ONGOINGS OF THE PAB AND THE POTENTIAL WORKING GROUP.
>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT [OVERLAPPING]
>> I LOVE THE REAL [INAUDIBLE]
>> THAT WAS A GOOD GRIP. YOU CAN DO THAT.
TELL ME THEN THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE THERE.
WHAT WE'RE DOING STRIKES ME AS A SMALLER MORE TACTICAL THING THAN THE EIGHTH STREET PROJECT.
>> CAN BE, BUT I DON'T THINK SO.
>> WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS THE SADLER NEEDS A LOT OF HELP, BUT NOT AS MUCH HELP AS EIGHTH STREET.
>> I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THAT.
[OVERLAPPING] THESE ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TACKLE ARE NOT SIMPLISTIC THINGS.
THEY'RE VERY COMPLEX, TAKE A LOT OF RESEARCH AND INFORMATION BEFORE WE COME TO SOME CONCLUSION, ANY CHANGES THAT WE MAKE.
>> WELL, MARK, WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS OF RESEARCH AND INFORMATION THAT WE NEED, SO STAFF CAN START?
>> IS THAT A QUESTION TO ME? [LAUGHTER]
>> WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
I'VE SAID, WELL, I UNDERSTAND IT.
I KNOW WHAT LAND TO BUILDING RATIOS ARE.
BUT I'M NOT SURE THE IMPACTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE GET DOWN TO SOME SPECIFIC, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKED ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
IF WE CHANGE IT TO, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT 90%, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE 85, I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE IT SHOULD BE 95.
>> IS THERE ANY WAY ON THROUGH GIS YOU CAN AT LEAST PICK OUT THE LARGER CENTERS THAT ARE THERE AND DO AREA MAP AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE AREAS ARE?
>> YOU'RE ASKING FOR A MAP THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE?
>> JUST ON A FEW OF THE SITES LIKE THE PUBLICS, LIKE THE FOOD LINE, THE OTHER ONE ON THE CORNER ACROSS THE PUBLICS WITH THE BANKS GOING.
>> PICK UP THE LARGEST SITES THAT WE HAVE.
>> JUST CALCULATE THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA OF THE OVERLAY.
>> WE KNOW THIS IS PUBLIC IS REALLY AT 90% IMPERVIOUS RIGHT NOW OR IS IT REALLY AT 80 OR 100.
>> MY CONCERN IS SOME OF THE PUSHBACK WE GOT FROM THE PUB WAS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOME OF THESE THINGS BUT RIGHT NEXT DOOR IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A 35 OR 40-FOOT BUILDING NEXT TO A, 20-FOOT HOUSE.
THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT SURROUNDING THERE SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT SOME OF THESE ISSUES ARE GOING TO CREATE.
>> DO AN ANALYSIS OF SURROUNDING LAND USES TO THE OVERLAY?
>> WELL, YOU'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED.
>> WELL, THIS IS THE USES OF THE ACTUAL PARCELS IN THE OVERLAY.
I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS IDENTIFY WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE AT NEAR THE OVERLAY.
>> WELL, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE BIGGEST PARCELS ARE SO WE WANT TO ZERO IN ON SOMETHING.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME SPECIFIC.
>> MAYBE JUST THE ZONING MATTER ADJACENT PARCELS THAT TELL US.
SINGLE FAMILY IS A MULTI FAMILY.
>> PUBLIC IS A GOOD ONE BECAUSE WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL AND YOU'VE GOT COMMERCIAL SURROUNDING TOO.
>> WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEN WE TYPE RESTRICTIONS WHEN SOMETHING IS NEXT TO [INAUDIBLE]
>> WHENEVER PUBLICS CAME IN ON SITE PLAN, WE MAY ACTUALLY HAVE THAT HOLE THAT MAY ALREADY BE ON FILE.
>> BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST DOING THE REMODELS, I'M SURE THEY HAVE [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY PROBABLY DID THE WHOLE SHOPPING CENTER SO [OVERLAPPING]
>> PROBABLY GOT A LOT OF PLANS IN THERE.
ALREADY TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.
>> ADJACENT ZONING ESPECIALLY RESIDENTIAL.
I CAN MAKE A MAP AND HIGHLIGHT WHERE THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ARE THAT WOULD BE ADJACENT TO THE OVERLAY.
>> WHAT ELSE CAN I DO FOR YOU?
>> WHAT HAPPENED WITH IMPROVE RESOURCES?
>> I WOULD SAY JUST A BULLET LIST OF THE SPECIFICS IN THE MU8 OVERLAY THAT WOULD RELATE TO THIS. WELL, THAT RELATES.
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>> WHAT ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS ARE IN THE MU8 OVERLAY, WHAT LANGUAGE IS IN THERE THAT RELATES TO BUILDINGS AND COVERAGES. JUST SO THERE'S SOME [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S LIKE A LIST LIKE THIS, BUT JUST TUNING ON WHAT'S ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE A3 OVERLAY?
>> YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S SPREAD OUT IN DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
>> YOU COULD MAYBE JUST SUMMARIZE IT SO WE CAN BUILD OFF OF THAT TEMPLATE.
I'M SORRY, I HAVE TO KEEP SAYING [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE REASON IT GOT SHOT BACK AND WE WERE TOLD WE WERE GETTING AHEAD OF WHAT WE NEEDED TO BE WAS BECAUSE WE ASKED STAFF TO BRING BACK A TEMPLATE FROM THE EXISTING LANGUAGE THAT IS IN THE 8TH STREET AREA SO THAT WE CAN USE AS A DISCUSSION GUIDE.
BECAUSE IT WAS SAID THAT WE'RE PROPOSING SOLUTIONS BEFORE WE HAVE HAD ANY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
HOWEVER, THOSE WERE JUST DISCUSSION POINTS.
>>WELL, I THINK MY MAP PROBABLY PUSHED IT OVER THE EDGE. OR AM I SCHEMATIC?
>> I THINK CREATING A BULLETED LIST LIKE THIS THAT SUMMARIZES THAT RATHER THAN PULLING THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE WOULD WALK THAT LINE.
>> YES. WHAT I'M SAYING IS AT THE LAST MEETING, WE ASKED STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A TEMPLATE FROM THE 8TH STREET LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW SO THAT WE COULD USE IT AS TALKING POINTS FOR CHANGES THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE, SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO RE-EMIT THE WHEEL, EXACTLY.
STAFFS THEN INFORMED US THAT WE WERE AHEAD OF THE PROCESS.
INSTEAD OF PRESENTING THESE AS SOLUTIONS, WE NEED TO BE ENGAGING WITH THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
I GOT SHOT BACK. THAT'S WHY I SAY CAREFUL WITH TALKING ABOUT LANGUAGE.
>> THAT'S HOW I SEE IT AS WELL.
>> I KNOW, BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE OPEN MEETINGS, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND ANYONE WHO WANTS TO ATTEND.
WE'RE NOT DOING THIS IN THE DARK OR WHATEVER.
>> WELL, I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT STAFF WAS SAYING IS THEY WERE CONFUSED AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WANTED JUST LDC CHANGES OR AN ACTUAL OVERLAY, WHICH WE'VE ALL AGREED WE WANT TO SEE AN OVERLAY ESTABLISHED, AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THAT.
>> WE'RE TALKING IN TERMS OF OVERLAY AND CERTAINLY THAT MIGHT CHANGE, BUT IN MY MIND, THAT'S OUR EASIEST SOLUTION, WHICH MAY CHANGE DOWN THE ROAD OVERLAY.
WE'RE STILL AT THE BEGINNING OF ALL THIS.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME IDEA OF SIZES THAT YOU PUT ALL THOSE UP THERE ALREADY AND YOU PUT LANDS OF BUILDING RATIO UP THERE THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT.
I DON'T THE ONLY OTHER THING MIGHT BE WHAT SPECIFIC USES ARE THERE TODAY.
YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE ZONING IS.
THAT'S REALLY ALL WE NEED TO KNOW.
>> BUT ONE OTHER THING, DO YOU MIND GIVING THE BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE OR FINDING THE BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGES OF THE LARGER PARCELS? I'M CURIOUS AS TO HOW BIG THEY ACTUALLY ARE.
>> BUT IF I LOOK AT IT, I STRUGGLE SOMETIMES TO ADD UP.
I FEEL LIKE I'M DUPLICATING THAT SOMETIMES.
>> [OVERLAPPING] YOU'RE WANTING TO SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDINGS.
>> ON THE THE BIG PARCELS, THE PUBLICS, THE FOOD LOAD, FOOD LINES.
>> YEAH. BECAUSE SOMETIME THEY PUT THEM OUT IN THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT.
>> THAT'S A PROBLEM. TRYING TO FIX.
>> WE HAVE LIMITS AS TO WHAT THOSE CAN BE.
>> THE COMP PLAN DOES LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU CAN HAVE AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS.
THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I WAS WITH THAT.
>> IT DOES TALK ABOUT LANDS BUILDING RATIOS AND LIMITATION.
>> WELL, FAR HAS CHANGED THAT TOO, SO ALL UP.
>> YEAH, BUT KNOWING WHAT'S IN THE AREA, I THINK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING RIGHT NOW.
WHAT OTHER ITEMS AS YOU'RE DOING THIS RESEARCH, YOU THINK WILL BE PERFECT BECAUSE IT'S ALL ON ONE SPREADSHEET, JUST ANOTHER COLUMN.
>> WHAT MEETING DO YOU THINK OUR LITTLE BULLET ITEM WILL HIT ON THE COMMISSION, WOULD IT BE THE NEXT MEETING?
>> I GOT IT. WHEN IS THE NEXT MEETING?
>> BECAUSE OUR BOARD HAS TO SEE IT.
>> BUT IT'S NOT BEEN PUBLISHED.
>> OUR AGENDA HAS JUST BEEN PUBLISHED.
>> NO, IT WASN'T PUBLISHED THIS MORNING.
SO THEY COULD PUBLISH THAT TODAY TO BRING UP AT OUR NEXT MEETING IF YOU WANTED TO JUST NEXT WEEK.
>> AS JUST AN AGENDA ITEM WHERE HERE'S OUR REPORT FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE WHERE WE ARE WHAT'S GOING ON.
>> THAT'S IF OUR CHAIRS AND OUR STAFF CAN PULL ALL THAT TOGETHER BY THIS AFTERNOON.
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>> WELL, I PRETTY MUCH HAVE IT.
>> GIVE ME THE AGENDA, I ADD IT REALLY QUICK.
>> IT HASN'T BEEN PUBLISHED YET, HAS IT?
>> I AM NOT SURE. IT HASN'T BEEN?
>> I'LL BE TODAY. WE CAN ADD A POINT FOR DISCUSSION AND IF YOU GUYS DON'T NEED ANY ADDITIONAL AGENDA PACKET ITEMS.
>> WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON IT.
>> ARE WE ASKING THE CITY COMMISSION FOR ASSISTANCE IN DEVELOPING THE WORKING GROUP?
>> I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHAT WE PUT ON THERE.
I THINK WE'RE ASKING THEM FOR ASSISTANCE.
>> DO THEY WANT TO HAVE INPUT.
>> IF THEY WANT TO HAVE INPUT, GREAT, BUT WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
>> I KNOW SOMEONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE PART.
>> THEN THEY NEED TO RECOMMEND THAT PERSON TO STAFF.
>> I DON'T WANT TO BE WAITING ON THEM.
DESCRIBING THE INTENT TO DEVELOP A WORKING GROUP TO CREATE AN OVERLAY FOR SOUTH FLETCHER?
>> YEAH. TOWARD SIDE OF THE ROCK.
I THINK WE JUST LEAVE IT LIKE THAT.
DON'T YOU THINK THEY WOULD CONTACT US IF THEY HAD SOMEBODY, OR DO WE NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC?
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO WRITE A PARAGRAPH OR TWO.
>> BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE RIGHT TONE HERE.
>> WE OPENED IT UP TO EVERY WHOEVER'S IN THE ROOM CAN SPEAK.
SOME PEOPLE GOT THEIR NAME ON IT FOR POSTERITY.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO WRITE THIS TO IT AND CHANGE IT?
>> I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE HERE TO LOOK AT THIS DOCUMENT HERE.
>> I'LL EMAIL IT TO MIA AND SHE CAN DISTRIBUTE IT TO YOU ALL, BUT THIS IS A STORY SMALL AREA PLAN, THE DRAFT PLAN THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THE BACKGROUND.
IT GOES INTO A LOT MORE DETAIL THAN WHAT IS ON JUST THE PRESENTATION SUMMARY THERE.
INCLUDES HISTORY, SOME OF THE SURVEY RESPONSES, WHAT QUESTIONS WERE ASKED.
>> HIT THE TOP, HIT COPY, PASTE INTO AN EMAIL TO ALL US.
>> ONE OTHER PIECE OF RESEARCH, MAYBE?
>> I DON'T HAVE EVERYONE'S EMAIL HERE.
>> I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF TALKING WITH ALL OF THESE PEOPLE AND GETTING THEIR INPUT AND BE VERY RESPECTFUL OF THEIR INPUT.
COULD WE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES WHO ARE KNOWN FOR INNOVATION, WHO ARE KNOWN FOR SOLVING PROBLEMS WITH OTHER CITY PLANNERS, ARCHITECTS, OR I WANT TO SEE INNOVATIVE OUT OF THE BOX THINKING THAT HAS OCCURRED SOME PLACE SOMEWHERE WHO HAVE TACKLED THIS PROBLEM?
>> THAT WOULD BE TOUGH TO ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.
>> I KNOW KELLY HAD BROUGHT UP A CITY SOMEWHERE.
>> YEAH. MARGARET WAS THE PLANNING DIRECTOR IN CONCORD, NORTH CAROLINA, AND THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS AS WELL.
I'M SURE SHE AND I AND KELLY CAN THINK OF SOME EXAMPLES.
WE CAN ALSO DRAW FROM THOSE EXAMPLES WHAT THEY'VE DONE FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH WHAT THEIR SHREDS HAVE LOOKED LIKE, WHAT THEIR WORKING GROUP HAS COMPRISED OF.
I'D BE HAPPY TO BRING SOME CASE STUDIES BACK TO THIS GROUP AS WELL.
>> I CAN ONLY ANSWER WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF RECORD.
I'D LIKE TO ADD COSTS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE A BROADER FRAMEWORK REFERENCE THAN WE HAVE.
>> WELL, MOST BEACH AREAS IN FLORIDA AT SOME POINT HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
MOST OF THE CITIES, WHICH WE DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE HAVE GONE THROUGH IT.
I CAN TELL YOU SOME CITIES THAT HAVE DONE IT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO THOUGH.
[OVERLAPPING] SOME PEOPLE THINK GOOD IS 50 STORY CONDOMINIUMS. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S SUCH A VARIETY AND ALMOST EVERY BEACH AREA IN FLORIDA HAS HAD SOME REDEVELOPMENT AT SOME POINT IN THE LAST 30 YEARS.
>> I THINK HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE ASKING.
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>> I WILL ALSO TELL YOU THOUGH THAT I BET YOU, THAT THAT 8TH STREET REPORT, AS BEAUTIFUL AS IT IS, WAS DONE AT THE END ALMOST BECAUSE IT SAYS DRAFT.
BUT IT WAS ALMOST THE END OF THE TWO-YEAR SAGA TO DEVELOP IT, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION UNTIL YOU'VE ALMOST REACHED THE END.
>> MARK, YOU'RE RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THIS LIST OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE WORKING.
>> I THINK IT WAS CHAIRMAN BECK.
HERE AGAIN, MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE UNDER THAT LIST THERE WERE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY WITH RECEIVE A LOT OF REAL ESTATE PEOPLE UP THERE, ARCHITECTS.
>> I THINK A GROUP LIKE THAT WOULD HELP YOU START TO DEVELOP THE SPECIFICS.
>> THOSE PEOPLE COME AND GO DURING THE ENTIRE MEETING, ALTHOUGH I THINK ROBIN LINZ ATTENDED ALMOST ALL OF THEM AND JOSE PROBABLY DID MOST OF THOSE.
BUT I WOULD AGREE WITH VICTORIA THE THING WAS PUT TOGETHER AT THE END OF.
IT LOOKS GREAT. IT GOT THE PICTURES.
> WELL, STAFF COVERS ALL THE BASES THAT HAVE TO BE COVERED.
>>CAN YOU JUST SEND ME A ROUGH COPY OF THE NOTES YOU'VE TAKEN SO I CAN PUT TOGETHER AND JUST.
I WANT TO THINK ABOUT THIS, WRITE SOME STUFF DOWN AND MAYBE NEVER MIND.
>> ONE THAT YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THAT IS ACTUALLY AN AWARD WINNING CITY FOR FORM BASED CO IS SOUTH BEND INDIANA.
>> A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT IN FLORIDA HAS BEEN MAJOR REDEVELOPMENT WITH MAJOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THAT STUFF.
ALL EXAMPLES ANYWHERE SOUTH OF THE GEORGIA LON IN FLORIDA.
>> YOU WAIT DOWN MORE THAN 1, 02, 3, 4, AND THAT'S ON YOUR LIST?
>> WHAT YOU LIST NEXT THINGS TO DO?
>> I ALSO GOT THAT HERE ON ACTION ITEMS. WE GOT THE MEMO WITH THE MENTION OF THE WORKING GROUP.
I'M GOING TO E MAIL YOU ALL A COPY OF THE 8TH STREET SMALL AREA PLAN.
>> INCLUDE THE WEBSITE IN THERE, SO JUST PULL UP THE WEBSITE.
WHEREVER IT IS, SO COPY AND PASTE.
>> FOR RESEARCH NEEDS, I'M GOING TO DO THAT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON THE MAJOR LOTS RESEARCH, SO I CAN MAKE A MAP AND ALSO DO A SMALL WRITE UP ABOUT THAT.
ADJACENT ZONING, ESPECIALLY RESIDENTIAL.
I CAN MAKE A MAP HIGHLIGHTING THAT WITH A LITTLE WRITE UP.
A BULLET LIST OF THE ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION SELECTED FROM THE 8TH STREET AREA PLAN.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THIS, BUT I CAN GO IN OUR LDC AND COMP PLAN AND SITE WHERE THOSE ARE BEING PULLED FROM.
AS WELL AS CASE STUDIES FROM OTHER INNOVATIVE CITIES AND THEIR APPROACHES TO PROBLEMS LIKE THIS?
>> THE ACTION ITEM ON THE MEMO, IN YOUR NOTES, DO YOU NEED TO SAY FIRST REVIEW BY THE PAB AND THEN FORWARDED TO THE CITY COMMISSION?
>> DO YOU WANT THAT REVIEWED BY THE ENTIRE PAB OR JUST THE CHAIR?
>> THE ENTIRE PAB AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
>> WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE NEXT MEETING TO PAB GROUP.
>> THE LETTER WOULD BE REVIEWED IN JULY?
>> THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING IN TWO WEEKS FOR THIS GROUP.
>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AFTER THE COMMISSION MEETS.
AFTER THE COMMISSIONS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> ASSUMING THAT WE GET THIS BEFORE THEN.
>> IS THAT WHAT, ARE WE DONE FOR THE DAY?
>> IT WON'T BE UNTIL JULY, LIKE YOU SAID.
>> ACTUALLY, I WAS WONDERING. I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE COULD GET ON THE COMMISSION SECOND MEETING.
>> THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING IS IN TWO WEEKS, SO WE CAN MEET IT THREE WEEKS.
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>> ASSUMING IT GETS ON THEIR AGENDA?
>> OR ARE WE GOING TO BE BEFORE AHEAD THINKING THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US PERMISSION OR NOT SAY ANYTHING.
>> I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T WANT TO WASTE OUR TIME IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT.
>> YOU GUYS CAN START BRAINSTORMING ON YOUR OWN ABOUT WHAT THE WORKING GROUPS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
>> I WILL NOT BE THERE FOR ANY OF THE MEETINGS TOWARDS THE END OF JUNE, I'M TAKING VACATION.
>> NO, WE CAN'T HAVE VACATION.
>> LET'S JUST TENTATIVELY SET MEETING FOR. [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
>> WHAT THAT DO? I GET NOTICES.
>> THAT WOULD BE THE 25TH. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> I ALSO WOULD REALLY LIKE KELLY OR MARGARET TO BE HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING, SO BASED ON THEIR SCHEDULE, TOO.
BECAUSE I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE SOME MORE CONCRETE EXAMPLES AND ANSWERS THAN WHAT I CAN DO.
>> WELL, IT DOESN'T PUT YOU IN A FAIR POSITION EITHER WHEN WE'RE HEARING FROM THEM AT DIFFERENT TIMES, AND YOU'RE HERE TAKING THE BRUNT OF IT.
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP HOW I CAN.
>> YOU ALL WOULD WANT IT AT 1:00 PM AGAIN?
>> WE'LL BE THINKING ABOUT VICTORIA IF SHE'S NOT HERE?
>> THAT'S RIGHT. I'LL BE HAVING A VACATION.
>> YOU CAN TELL US WHERE YOU ARE GOING.
>> YOU WILL BE HERE NEXT WEEK.
>> NOT THE WORKSHOP, NOT ON 25TH.
>> I'LL BE LATE OUR MEETING NEXT WEEK, AN HOUR.
>> ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.