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[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF A QUORUM]
2024 HEARING OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND APPEALS BOARD IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER.BOARD SECRETARY, IF YOU COULD PLEASE CALL ROLE.
>> HERE. WE HAVE ENOUGH FOR A QUORUM. [NOISE] WE'LL START OFF.
WE'RE GOING TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, AND THEN AFTERWARDS REVEREND THOMPSON WILL DO INVOCATION FOR US.
>> LET'S PRAY. OUR FATHER, OUR GOD, WE'VE COME AGAIN, O LORD, TO ETERNALLY THANK YOU FOR LIFE, HEALTH, AND STRENGTH, FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS MEETING OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND APPEALS BOARD.
FATHER, WE LOOK TO YOU FOR LEADERSHIP.
WE GIVE YOU THE PRAISE OF THE HONOR AND THE GLORY AND THE PEOPLE OF GOD SAY, AMEN.
>> EVERYONE'S HAD A MOTION TO REVIEW THE MINUTES OF THE LAST BOARD MEETING OF APRIL 7,
[3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
2025 AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.>> ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA THAT WE HAVE?
>> NO. WE HAVE ALL THREE NEW CASES AND ONE RETURNING CASE.
>> CITY ATTORNEY COULD PLEASE DESCRIBE WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO HERE?
>> YES, SO EACH OF THE CASES WILL BE GOVERNED BY OUR QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURES SO THAT MEANS WE DO HAVE CERTAIN RULES OF EVIDENCE IN PLACE, ALTHOUGH IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE RELAXED THAN A FORMAL COURT ROOM.
ANYONE THAT IS GOING TO BE PRESENTING TO THE BOARD, WHETHER THAT STAFF OR ANY OF THE PARTIES OR MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE, THEY WILL NEED TO BE SWORN BY THE CLERK.
THEY'LL BE ALLOWED TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY AND ANY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE, AND ANY PHOTOGRAPHS OR DOCUMENTS, WE'D ASK THAT YOU PROVIDE TO THE CLERK TO SHARE WITH THE BOARD RATHER THAN APPROACHING THE BOARD.
THE ORDER OF BUSINESS IS FIRST.
STAFF WILL PRESENT THEIR REPORT, BE SUBJECT TO ANY CROSS EXAMINATION BY ANY OF THE PARTIES, AND ALSO ANY QUESTIONING FROM THE BOARD.
THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD AND CROSS EXAMINED.
ANY DECISION BY THIS BOARD MUST BE SUPPORTED BY COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT IS PRESENTED TODAY DURING THE HEARING AND ON NOTHING ELSE, AND ANY PARTY THAT DISAGREES WITH THE DECISION OF THE BOARD WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL THAT DECISION BY FILING A PETITION WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT FOR NASSAU COUNTY WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE RENDITION OF THE ORDER.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURES IN EFFECT THIS EVENING?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAD ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS REGARDING ANY OF THE CASES WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA?
>> IF WE COULD PLEASE, BOARD SECRETARY, SWEAR IN ALL THE WITNESSES THAT WILL BE TESTIFYING TONIGHT?
>> DO YOU PLAN TO TALK? DO YOU MIND STANDING?
>> THANK YOU. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY AND/OR EVIDENCE THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE AND OR PRESENT IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> THANK YOU. WE'LL START OFF WITH OLD BUSINESS,
[4.1 DONNA PERKINS, 2673 GREGOR MCGREGOR BLVD, CASE #2024-0293.]
WHICH IS DONNA PERKINS 2673, GREGOR MCGREGOR BOULEVARD, CASE 2024-0293.DO WE HAVE AN UPDATE THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE?
>> WE DO. I'M SURPRISED SHE'S NOT HERE, BUT ANYWAY, JUST A RECAP.
THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND APPEALS BOARD HEARING WAS HELD AND THE BOARD ASKED THE RESPONDENT TO TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION TO SECURE THE POOL AREA AND RETURN TO THIS MEETING TONIGHT TO PROVIDE A STATUS REPORT.
THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD VOTED TO ASSESS ADMIN FEES AND A VIOLATION FINE OF $50 PER DAY BEGINNING ON APRIL 8, 2025.
I INSPECTED THE PROPERTY ON APRIL 24, 2025, AND THE POOL AREA HAS BEEN SECURED.
THERE'S BEEN NOTHING THAT'S DONE TO THE STRUCTURE SO THE STRUCTURE IS STILL IN VIOLATION WITH ALL THE PICTURES, AND SHE CAN SHOW YOU SOME OF THE PICTURES HERE.
THE ROOF [INAUDIBLE] AND SHINGLES, THE FASCIA, THE SOFFIT ROTTEN, STILL GOT BROKEN WINDOWS.
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>> CAN I ASK? IS THAT FENCE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU?
>> IT'S JUST TEMPORARY FENCING.
>> FOR SURE. YOUR ESTIMATION, THAT IS A SECURE FENCE?
>> YEAH, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY FASTENED TO THOSE POSTS AND SO I DON'T THINK SOMEBODY'S GOING TO WALK THROUGH IT, ESPECIALLY A CHILD.
>> DO YOU THINK THAT THAT WAS A HOME MADE JOB OR DO YOU THINK A FENCING COMPANY DID?
>> I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WAS A HOME MADE, SHE HAD A HANDYMAN DO THAT, I'M SURE.
>> WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS IS, WE'RE CONTINUING, I THINK, IF I'M CORRECT, WITH THE $50 PER DAY FINE BECAUSE THE HOME IS STILL IN VIOLATION.
>> RIGHT. SHE HAS ACCRUED A TOTAL OF $800 IN FINES FOR THE EIGHT.
LET'S SEE HOW MANY DAYS IT WAS OUT OF FROM APRIL 8TH TO APRIL 24TH? WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE FINES TOTALING 800 REMAIN IN PLACE.
ALSO RECOMMENDING A NEW COMPLIANCE DATE SET FOR JUNE 5, 2025, WITH FINES ALSO BEING $50 ON JUNE 6 FOR THE REPAIRS OF THE EXTERIOR STRUCTURE, INCLUDING THE ROOF, THE SOFFIT, BROKEN WINDOWS AND THE FASCIA.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT TEMPORARY FENCING.
HOW LONG? IS THERE ANY COMPLIANCE OR TEMPORARY?
>> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD CAN DETERMINE TONIGHT AS FAR AS THE TIME THAT YOU GIVE HER TO COME INTO COMPLETE COMPLIANCE BECAUSE THE PROBLEM OF THIS IS, IT'S ALL WRITTEN UP UNDER 42-117 SECTION IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
BUT WE DEFINITELY WANTED SOMETHING IN PLACE TO SECURE THAT POOL AREA TO KEEP SOMEBODY FROM JUST HAPHAZARDLY WALKING INTO THE POOL.
EVEN THOUGH THE POOL IS EMPTY, WE DIDN'T WANT SOMEBODY TO FALL INTO THE POOL.
>> COULD I GET A READ BACK ON WHAT OUR FINAL DECISION WAS BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING, WAS THE $50 TIED SPECIFICALLY PER DAY TO THE POOL, OR WAS THAT WHAT WE TOLD HER NEEDED TO BE COMPLETED, BUT THE $50 IS ACTUALLY RELATED TO THE ENTIRE VIOLATION?
>> BUT WE DID SAY THAT THE POOL WAS THE MOST URGENT AND IT WAS A PHYSICAL SAFETY TO EVERYONE IN OUR EXPECTATION SO THAT WAS DONE AS IMMEDIATELY AS POSSIBLE.
>> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DO WE NEED A NEW FINE THAT BEGINS JUNE 6 OR CAN THE $50 FINE THAT WE PUT INTO PLACE APRIL 8TH JUST CONTINUE ON? WHATEVER WE SET OUT THERE.
>> IT WAS UNDER MY IMPRESSION THAT THAT WAS JUST FOR THE UNSECURED POOL AREA, AND THAT'S HOW THE FINDINGS WERE WRITTEN UP.
THOSE FINES STOPPED WHEN SHE PUT UP THE TEMPORARY FENCING.
>> THANK YOU. IS ANYTHING ELSE BEEN DONE BESIDE THIS MAKESHIFT FENCE?
>> FENCE IS STILL ON THE GROUND, ROCKS, WINDOWS, ROOFS.
THE DEBRIS AND THAT CONCRETE RUBBLES GOT TO BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING COMPLAINTS ON THAT DEBRIS ALSO.
>> DID YOU PROVIDE ANY UPDATE FROM THE INSURANCE OR THE LAWYER SHE SAID SHE HAD HIRED?
>> NO. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SUGGEST VERY STRONGLY THAT SHE NEEDS TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY HAS TURNED HER DOWN AS FAR AS HER CLAIM.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR WE CAN GO WITH THAT, BUT I THINK WE NEED SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT FIRST OFF THAT SHE IS COMMUNICATING WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANY, AND ALSO THAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY HAS DENIED HER SAYING THIS IS ROUTINE MAINTENANCE.
>> OFFICER, AS I WROTE IT DOWN AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CORRECT, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD MOVE THE NEXT REVIEW OF THIS TO JUNE 5TH WITH A FINE STARTING JUNE 6TH $50 PER DAY?
>> BECAUSE ACTUALLY, LIKE WE ALWAYS DO, WE GAVE AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS FOR THE STRUCTURE.
>> OFFICER WELLS, DID YOU [INAUDIBLE] SPEAK FOR
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THIS PART WHEN YOU TOOK THOSE PICTURES FOR US?>> NO, I DIDN'T SPEAK WITH HER THIS MORNING.
BUT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS CASE.
>> DID YOU APPRISE HER WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD?
>> WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT MAYBE SHE NEEDS TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL MAYBE FINANCING IN PLACE THAT MAYBE SHE CAN GET THIS WORK DONE.
BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE REAL CONFIDENCE THAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING FOR HER.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE FIND THIS PROPERTY IN VIOLATION.
WE FOLLOW YOUR GUIDELINES OF THE JUNE 5TH OR 6TH DEADLINE AND THEN WE REINSTITUTE THE $50 A DAY FINE UNTIL THESE ISSUES ARE CORRECT.
WE ALSO KEEP THE FINE TOTAL ALIVE AS WELL.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, ONCE THE WHOLE THING IS SAID TO BE COMPLETED, THEN YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO, IF ANYTHING, DO WITH THE FINE.
I THINK THE FINE REALLY DOESN'T COME INTO IT BUT THIS ONE IT'S ALREADY THERE.
THAT'S THERE UNTIL THE END AND NOW YOU'RE REALLY SAYING, WHAT ARE WE DOING NOW GOING FORWARD?
WE MAY WANT TO MAKE IT A STIFFER PENALTY.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU HAD MENTIONED THE DEBRIS THAT HAS TO BE REMOVED.
IS THAT PART OF WHAT ALREADY SHE'S IN VIOLATION OF OR IS THERE A SEPARATE CHARGE REGARDING?
>> NO, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT RESULTED FROM HER TAKING THAT FENCE DOWN BECAUSE WHEN WE CITED HER, THIS FENCE WAS NOT DOWN.
THERE WERE SECTIONS THAT WERE MISSING, BUT IT WASN'T COMPLETELY CLEARED LIKE THIS IS HERE TODAY.
SHE'S AWARE THAT SHE NEEDS TO GET THIS STUFF REMOVED ASAP.
>> WAS THERE A TRAILER ON THE PROPERTY, TOO?
>> THERE WAS A TRAILER THAT ALL THAT WAS STACKED ON AT ONE TIME.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY BECAUSE THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO OR WASTE MANAGEMENT IS NOT GOING TO PICK UP THAT CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PICK UP THAT RUBBLE, EITHER.
SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO HERSELF OR HAVE HIRE SOMEBODY TO HAVE THAT REMOVED.
>> WHERE IS THE MOTION STANDING?
>> WELL, I THINK YOU HAVE TO RE-MOTION BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE].
>> CAN WE OMIT THAT FROM MY [INAUDIBLE]?
>> EXCEPT IN FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WE DO IT.
>> CAN WE ACCEPT AN AMENDMENT, EXCLUDING THE COMMENT ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES?
>> THAT'S YOUR MOTION SO THAT'S YOUR DECISION?
>> NO, I WANT MY MOTION TO STAND EXCLUDING THE COMMENT THEORY ON THAT.
>> AS A RECAP, AS I UNDERSTOOD, THE MOTION, IT WAS TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, FIND THE PROPERTY IS IN VIOLATION, SET A NEW COMPLIANCE DATE FOR JUNE 5TH WITH A $50 FINE TO BEGIN ON JUNE 6TH AND TO BRING IT BACK FOR THAT NEXT MEETING.
>> IS THAT GOOD FOR EVERYBODY?
>> LET ME ASK A QUESTION. DO WE NEED TO IN THE MOTION, MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT THE DOCUMENTATION THAT I THINK YOU GUYS REALLY NEED TO SEE.
>> WELL, AND JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE INSURANCE PORTIONS OF IT, WHILE THAT MAY BE MITIGATING FACTORS ON WHAT YOU DECIDE TO DO AS FAR AS A PENALTY, IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS OR ISN'T IN COMPLIANCE AND SO I WOULD CAUTION YOU AGAINST RELYING ON THAT IN A FINDING OF COMPLIANCE, BUT RATHER CONSIDER THAT AS MITIGATION OR HOW YOU FASHION AN APPROPRIATE REMEDY GIVEN HER CIRCUMSTANCES.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION, AND WE HAVE ACCEPTED.
CAN YOU REPEAT THE DATE YOU WANT THEM RETURNING BACK?
>> WITH THE FINE BEGINNING JUNE 6?
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[5.1 DAVID & ALLYSON NEILSON, 843 ELLEN ST, CASE # 2025-0363.]
FIRST UP, DAVID AND ALLISON NIELSON, 843 ELLEN STREET.CASE NUMBER IS 2025-0363. OFFICER WELLS.
>> AT THIS TIME, I DIDN'T SAY WHO I WAS, BUT GEORGE WELLS, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT ALL OF OUR EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY INTO THE RECORD.
THIS CASE WAS ON THIS PARTICULAR TIME, I OPENED IT ON FEBRUARY 5, 2025.
I OBSERVED AN ENCLOSED UTILITY TRAILER THAT WAS PARKED BEYOND THE FRONT LINE OF THE HOUSE.
LIKE I SAID, I OPENED A NEW CASE FOR THIS VIOLATION.
THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY CITED FOR THE SAME VIOLATION FOUR TIMES BEFORE, BUT WAS CORRECTED BEFORE COMING BEFORE THE BOARD.
FEBRUARY 6, OUR DEPARTMENT MAILED A NOTICE OF VIOLATION NOTICE OF HEARING LETTER TO THE OWNER GIVING THEM UNTIL FEBRUARY 13, '25 TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
FEBRUARY 18TH, I CONDUCTED AN INSPECTION.
THE TRAILER WAS STILL IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
FEBRUARY 23RD, 2025, THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE DELIVERED A CERTIFIED LETTER TO THE OWNER, MR. NIELSON, WHERE HE SIGNED THE RETURN RECEIPT CARD GIVING US PROPER SERVICE.
FEBRUARY 25, 2025, I CALLED MR. NIELSON BY PHONE ASKING HIM ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE TRAILER THAT WAS IN VIOLATION.
HE REPLIED THAT HE WANTED TO APPEAR BEFORE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD TO MAKE AN APPEAL BEFORE THE BOARD AS FAR AS FOR HIS TRAILER.
FEBRUARY 26, 2025, I CONDUCTED A PRE AGENDA INSPECTION.
THE UTILITY TRAILER WAS STILL IN VIOLATION.
MARCH 6TH, THE MARCH HEARING WAS CANCELED DUE TO A LACK OF QUORUM SO THE CASE WAS MOVED TO APRIL 7TH, 2025.
>> MARCH 27, I CONDUCTED A PRE AGENDA INSPECTION AGAIN.
UTILITY TRAILER IS STILL PARKED BEYOND THE FRONT LINE OF THE HOUSE.
APRIL 7, THE HEARING FOR THIS CASE WAS MOVED TO APRIL 5.
THE RESPONDENT STATED THAT THEY DID NOT RECEIVE NOTIFICATION ABOUT THE CHANGE OF HEARING DATES.
APRIL 8, I MAILED A SECOND NOTICE OF VIOLATION NOTICE OF HEARING, CERTIFIED LETTER TO THE RESPONDENT WITH A NEW COMPLIANCE DATE AND A NEW HEARING DATE.
THEN I CONDUCTED ANOTHER PRE AGENDA INSPECTION.
THE VIOLATION WAS STILL STILL THERE.
CONCLUSION. THIS RESPONDENT HAS BEEN WRITTEN UP FOR THIS VIOLATION MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE, BUT HAS MOVED THE UTILITY TRAILER BEFORE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD HEARING.
HE STATES THAT HE USES THE UTILITY TRAILER FOR WORK, WHICH HE BELIEVES GIVES HIM THE RIGHT TO VIOLATE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
RECOMMENDATION IS THE CITY RECOMMENDS A MOTION TO BE MADE TO FIND THE RESPONDENT IN VIOLATION OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, CHAPTER 7.0105D, GIVING THE OWNER 10 ADDITIONAL DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE BY MAY 15, 2025.
THE CITY RECOMMENDS A MOTION TO BE MADE THAT ALL ADMIN FEES BE PAID BY THE RESPONDENT AND A FINE OF $50 PER DAY VIOLATION TO BEGIN ON APRIL 16, 2025, IF NOT IN COMPLIANCE BY MAY 15, 2025.
>> IS THE COMPLAINANT THE CITY, YOU OR IS IT A NEIGHBOR?
>> THIS THIS WAS AN OBSERVED VIOLATION.
>> I GUESS I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, IS DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ROOM TO BACK THAT UP, SO IT'S NOT?
>> WELL, HE HAD THE ROOF REPLACED OR REPAIRED, AND HE HAD IT PULLED DOWN THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
NOW, I KNOW THAT HE DOESN'T WANT TO MESS UP WITH HIS LANDSCAPING AND OTHER THINGS TO PARK IT OVER THERE.
BUT IT WAS OVER THERE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME WHILE THE ROOF WAS BEING WORKED ON.
>> IT'S NOT IN VIOLATION BECAUSE IT'S FAR ENOUGH BACK.
>> WELL, NO, IT'S IN VIOLATION NOW BECAUSE IT'S IN.
>> NO, I MEANT IN THE LEFT SIDE.
>> YEAH. WHEN IT WAS PARKED OVER THERE, IT WAS FINE.
>> THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT, BUT YOU MAY KNOW, IS WHETHER OR NOT HE USES IT FOR WORK?
>> WELL, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT HE USES IT.
>> NOT NOT WORK, BUT IF HE DOES USE IT FOR WORK, DOES THAT REALLY PLAY INTO IT OR NOT?
>> THE CODE SAYS PARKED OVERNIGHT.
>> PARKED OVERNIGHT IF IT'S IN FRONT.
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>> IT'S ALLOWED TO BE PARKED OVERNIGHT.
WHERE EXACTLY IS THAT FENCE IN RELATION TO HIS HOUSE? IT IS 10 FEET BACK?
>> WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT THE PLACE HE WOULD WANT TO PULL UP WOULD BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO HIM.
HE DOES HAVE ROOM TO PUT IT THERE IF HE SO CHOOSES.
BECAUSE IT DEFINITELY WILL GO ON THE LEFT SIDE, FOR SURE.
>> THERE'S NO GATE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT HOUSE TO PUSH THAT IN.
IT'S GOT TO GO ON THE OTHER SIDE.
>> IT SAYS SUCH VEHICLES WENT UNOCCUPIED, MAYBE PARKED OR STORED IN A COMPLETELY ENCLOSED BUILDING, CAR COURT ATTACHED TO A PRINCIPAL BUILDING OR IN A SIDE OR REAR YARD.
>> HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT A SIDE YARD IS?
>> IT'S DEFINED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IT'S THE SIDE YARD MEANS AN OPEN UNOCCUPIED SPACE ON THE SAME LOT WITH THE MAIN BUILDING, SITUATED BETWEEN THE SIDE LINE OF THE BUILDING AND THE ADJACENT SIDE LINE OF THE LOT AND EXTENDING FROM THE REAR LINE OF THE FRONT YARD TO THE FRONT LINE OF THE REAR YARD.
THEN THEY DEFINE THE FRONT YARD AND THE REAR YARD IS THOSE SPACES THAT ARE USING THAT FURTHER MOST POINT OF THE BUILDING EITHER TOWARDS THE FRONT FOR THE FRONT YARD OR REAR TO THE REAR YARD, SPANNING THE ENTIRE WIDTH SO IT WOULD BE THOSE SECTIONS WHERE YOU HAVE THAT FURTHEST MOST EXTENSION OR SURFACE OF THE BUILDING ON EITHER SIDE.
>> CHIP, HAVE YOU BEEN PHYSICALLY ON THIS PROPERTY, JUST ON THE STREET?
>> YEAH. SOLELY FROM THE RIDE AWAY.
>> DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE OR NOT?
>> WELL, MR. NIELSON HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO QUESTION MR. WELLES OR CAN PROVIDE HIS OWN TESTIMONY AS HE MAY DESIRE.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
>> MR. NIELSON, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF OFFICER WELLS OR TO PROVIDE YOUR OWN TESTIMONY?
>> BE SURE TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE.
>> HI. MY NAME IS DAVE NIELSON.
I RESIDE AT 843L STREET FOR INDIAN BEACH.
MAY I APPROACH YOU TO GIVE SOME [INAUDIBLE]?
>> I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY [INAUDIBLE].
>> DO YOU WANT TO HOLD ON ONE SET FOR YOU AND PASS THAT.
>> I HOPE YOU'LL INDULGE ME A LITTLE BIT, JUST GOING BACK TO TIME BECAUSE MY EXPERIENCE WITH MR. WELL STARTED PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO WITH A TRAVEL TRAILER THAT WE OWNED.
THAT WE STORED AT THE U HALL IN ON EIGHTH STREET WHEN WE GOT READY TO SELL THAT, I BROUGHT IT TO TO OUR HOME, AND I PARKED IT IN THE FRONT YARD BECAUSE I HAD TO DO SOME REPAIRS TO PREPARE IT FOR SALE WE PUT HE PUT A VIOLATION ON ON THAT.
I SAID WE JUST NEED A COUPLE OF WEEKS WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS READY FOR SALE.
IT'S NOT OUR INTENTION TO KEEP IT THERE.
BUT MEANWHILE, IF YOU DRIVE AROUND THAT END OF THE ISLAND, YOU SEE TRAVEL TRAILERS, CAMPERS, BOATS ON THE SIDES OF HOUSES, IN COMPLIANCE, BUT VISIBLE MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS ORDINANCE IS THAT YOU DON'T WANT SOMETHING THAT'S ON SITE THAT'S THE REASON YOU WANT TO TUCK THESE THINGS BEHIND THE FRONT PLANE OF THE HOUSE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE, IS THAT CORRECT? AM I ADDRESSING MY QUESTIONS TO YOU, MR. WELLS?
>> WELL, YOU CAN. THE THE ORDINANCE REALLY DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE AESTHETIC NATURE OF IT.
IT JUST SAYS THAT IT CAN'T BE PARKED OVERNIGHT BEYOND THE FRONT LINE OF THE HOUSE.
THEY SPECIFY THAT IT CAN BE IN A SIDE OR REAR YARD OR INSIDE AN ENCLOSED STRUCTURE.
THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT MENTIONS ANYTHING ABOUT THE AESTHETICS OF IT.
>> THE PURPOSE OF INCLUDING TRAVEL TRAILERS, IN ADDITION TO RECREATIONAL VEHICLES LIKE BOATS, CAMPERS, WHY ARE A WORK TRAILER FOR A PERSON THAT USES TOOLS FOR THEIR EMPLOYMENT, WHY ARE THEY INCLUDED WITH RECREATIONAL VEHICLES?
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>> THAT'S THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN.
IT'S UTILITY TRAILERS, RVS, CAMPERS, BOATS.
>> I AGREE, THAT'S HOW IT'S WRITTEN.
I GUESS I WOULD APPEAL TO THE BOARD, YOU GUYS ARE IN CHARGE OF CHANGING THAT.
IF I FEEL LIKE IT'S DISCRIMINATION AGAINST SOMEBODY THAT'S WORKING CLASS, SOMEBODY HAS PLUMBING TOOLS IN THEIR TRAILER OR CARPENTER TOOLS.
I HAPPEN TO HAVE A LOT OF MY TOOLS ARE VALUABLE.
WE SPEND SIX MONTHS OR MORE OUT OF HERE OUT OF FERNANDINA BEACH WITH MY TRAILER.
WHEN HE SAID, OH, HE WAS IN COMPLIANCE, THAT'S BECAUSE WE TOOK THE TRAILER, AND WE WENT AWAY FOR SIX MONTHS THIS IS ONLY SITTING HERE LESS THAN SIX MONTHS A YEAR.
WE'VE BEEN RENOVATING OUR HOME FOR SEVERAL YEARS WE'RE JUST FINISHING IT UP.
IT'S GOING ON THE MARKET THIS FRIDAY ON MAY 9.
I'M GOING TO BE LOADING THE TRAILER UP THIS WEEKEND, REORGANIZING MY TOOLS.
WE HAVE BOXES TO GO THAT TRAILER'S HEADED TO TENNESSEE WHERE WE HAVE SOME INVESTMENT PROPERTY.
IT'S A MOOT POINT MOVING FORWARD.
I GUESS I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION THAT THIS BEEN GOING ON FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
WE MOVED THAT TRAVEL TRAILER NEXT DOOR TO MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD, WHO WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO ALLOW ME TO MOVE IT THERE BEHIND THE FRONT PLANE OF MY HOME TO CONTINUED TO GET VIOLATIONS FROM MR. WELLS BECAUSE IT WASN'T BEHIND THE PLANE OF THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS A TWO CAR GARAGE THAT'S PUSHED TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
WE AGAIN HAD TO MOVE IT THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN AT THE BOTTOM OF WEST 6TH AND TARPON WHO HAD A PONTOON BOAT PARKED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR MONTHS.
I JUST WANTED TO DO SOMETHING AS AN EXPERIMENT.
I ASKED MY OTHER NEIGHBOR ON MY OTHER SIDE, AND WE MOVED THE TRAVEL TRAILER OVER RIGHT IN THE SAME RIGHT OF WAY AS THAT PONTOON BOAT HAD BEEN THERE FOR MONTHS IMMEDIATELY GOT A VIOLATION ON THAT, BUT THAT PONTOON BOAT GOT MOVED THAT DAY.
THE GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES IN THE HOUSE IS AN EX CITY EMPLOYEE, AND I JUST FELT LIKE THERE WAS SOME FAVORITISM GOING.
THEY KNEW THEY COULDN'T PUT A VIOLATION ON MY VEHICLE ON THAT TRAVEL TRAILER WITHOUT MOVING THAT BOAT FIRST.
I KNOW MR. WELLS, I SEE HIM DRIVE BY ALL THE TIME, WHY HE WOULD HAVE MISSED THAT PONTOON BOAT SITTING AT THE BOTTOM OF WEST 6TH FOR MONTHS BUT FINDS ANY VIOLATION I DO WITHIN DAYS.
ANYWAY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES, YOU CAN SEE WHERE I HAVE THE TRAILER.
IT'S OFF TO THE SIDE IT'S A FIVE BY 10.
I GAVE ANOTHER PICTURE SHOWING THE LANDSCAPING WE HAVE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THAT PICTURE.
YOU CAN SEE WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THE HOUSE TO MAKE THAT LANDSCAPING DICE.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'D WANT TO RUN A UTILITY TRAILER AND BACK IT UP AGAINST THE HOUSE THERE.
BUT I DID DO IT TO JUST PROVE THE POINT OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE OVER THERE.
IT'S ACTUALLY MORE OBVIOUS IT'S MORE VISIBLE.
IT'S MORE OF AN EYESORE, BUT IT'S IN COMPLIANCE THAT JUST THAT DIDN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
WE MOVED IT BACK WHERE IT WAS. WE DID HAVE THE ROOF DONE.
I DIDN'T MOVE IT FOR THE ROOF I MOVED IT SO I COULD TAKE THIS PICTURE AND SHOW IT TO THE TO THE BOARD.
I INCLUDED SOME PICTURES OF SOME OTHER THERE'S A POP UP CAMPER RIGHT ALONG TARPON JUST SITTING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
THAT'S COMPLIANT, BUT MINE'S NOT.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S THOSE ARE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.
I DON'T DISPUTE THAT MY UTILITY TRAILER IS INCLUDED IN IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO SAY FOR A PLUMBER OR ELECTRICIAN, IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE I EITHER HAVE TO TEAR DOWN THE FENCE ON ONE SIDE OF MY HOUSE AND BACK IT INTO A UTILITY AREA.
I BUILT THAT UTILITY AREA SO THAT MY GARBAGE CANS WOULDN'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD.
IT WOULD LOOK ATTRACTIVE THE OTHER SIDE OF MY HOUSE IS ALL NICELY LANDSCAPED.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT MY UTILITY TRAILER ON THAT SIDE.
AGAIN, WE'RE GONE MORE THAN SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR, AND WE'RE LEAVING NEXT WEEK FOREVER.
YOU GUYS CAN MOVE ON AND DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
BUT I'VE NEEDED THOSE TOOLS THERE EVERY DAY. I'VE BEEN WORKING.
MR. WELLS HAS DRIVEN BY DROVE BY THIS MORNING SO [INAUDIBLE] I'M REPAIRING THE DECK,
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FINISHING IT UP IN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO.I TOLD HIM ON A PHONE CONVERSATION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THAT WE'RE PUTTING THE HOUSE ON THE MARKET WE THOUGHT WE'D BE HAVING OUR FINAL PHOTOS FOR THE LISTING DONE TODAY, BUT WE GOT BEHIND A FEW DAYS.
>> COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE, YOU SAID YOU'RE PUTTING IT UP FOR SALE.
>> WE SIGNED IT. WE HAVE A SIGNED LISTING AGREEMENT EFFECTIVE MAY 9.
>> WE'RE GETTING THE HOUSE STAGED FOR SALE, AND WE BOUGHT AN RV.
WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING INTO OUR RV.
BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE'RE TAKING THE UTILITY TRAILER AND A COUPLE OF VEHICLES TO TENNESSEE, WHERE OUR OTHER PROPERTIES ARE, AND WE'LL BE LEAVING THAT UTILITY TRAILER IN TENNESSEE AND THEN COMING BACK.
>> THAT WE'RE LEAVING FOR TENNESSEE?
>> THAT YOU'RE MOVING THE TRAILER.
>> I NEED THE WEEKEND. PROBABLY WE CAN MOVE IT BY A WEEK FROM WEDNESDAY AT THE LATEST.
>> MY OTHER QUESTION WAS AND I'M NOT SURE WHO I'M ASKING HERE.
BUT HE STATED WE CAN CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN CHANGE THE ORDINANCE.
>> NO IT'S THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND SO THAT MR. NIELSON OR ANY OTHER OWNER IN THE CITY OR STAFF COULD INITIATE A CHANGE TO THAT, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PAP AND THEN THE CITY COMMISSION.
>> COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT PROCESS CLEARLY, JIM.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A COST THAT GOES WITH THAT?
>> DEPENDING ON IF IT'S THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY OR A PROPERTY OWNER.
ANY PROPERTY OWNER CAN ASK THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BE AMENDED BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY AN APPLICATION FEE, PREPARE THE AMENDMENT THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH FIRST A MEETING BEFORE THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR TWO DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS.
>> BUT THEY DON'T TAKE ANY ADVISEMENT FROM THIS PANEL, YOUR BOARD.
>> BOARD COULD SUGGEST THAT STAFF INITIATE A CHANGE OR THAT THE COMMISSION CONSIDER A CHANGE TO IT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE POWER THEMSELVES TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE CODE.
>> IF YOU HAD AN ELECTRICIAN OR PLUMBER OR PAINTER AND THEY HAVE A UTILITY TRAILER, AND THEY DON'T OWN THE HOUSE, SAY THEY'RE RENTING IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY'RE PARKED THERE.
THEY CAN'T TEAR A FENCE DOWN TO PARK IT, SO THEY'RE JUST NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR TOOLS OF THEIR TRADE EVERY DAY AVAILABLE? I UNDERSTAND A BOAT. I UNDERSTAND A CAMPER. I UNDERSTAND.
THOSE ARE FUN THINGS, NOT WORK THINGS.
I JUST FEEL LIKE HE GOT LUMPED IN THERE.
I CAN UNDERSTAND MAYBE NOT HAVING A EIGHT BY 20 CAR CARRIER IN YOUR DRIVEWAY, BUT I HAVE A FIVE BY 10 TRAILER.
HE SAID I'VE COMPLIED IN THE PAST.
THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE LEFT. WE GET TO THE END OF MAY.
WE TAKE IT TO TENNESSEE, OR GONE UNTIL USUALLY ABOUT DECEMBER 1.
>> JUST FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING, WE RULE ON WHETHER OR NOT IT IS IN COMPLIANCE.
AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SAID, WE HAVE AN OPTION TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE DO NOT CHANGE.
[INAUDIBLE]. DOES ANYBODY KNOW.
ALL I CAN SAY IS MANY MODES OF DOING THIS, WE HAVEN'T HAD IT BROUGHT UP TO US AS SOMETHING THAT IS AN ISSUE FOR ANYONE.
MAYBE IT IS. I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS [INAUDIBLE].
>> IT MAY NOT BE AND IT MAY BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT I DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THE UTILITY TRAILER OUTSIDE OF MY HOME, AND I'M NOT GOING TO WRECK OUR LANDSCAPING TO DO IT.
I UNDERSTAND IF I'M NOT IN COMPLIANCE, YOU GUYS CAN RULE ACCORDINGLY, BUT ALSO WANT YOU TO KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE GONE NEXT WEEK, SO I DON'T KNOW.
>> THE TRAILER WILL BE GONE ON MAY 20TH, ROUGHLY.
>> A WEEK FROM WEDNESDAY IS 14TH IF NOT BEFORE.
>> HAVE YOU SEEN OFFICER WELLS RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD? THAT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
HE'S ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING GIVING YOU ADDITIONAL 10 DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE BY MAY 15, WHICH WOULD BE, I THINK, NEXT THURSDAY.
>> RIGHT SO I'LL BE DONE ON THE WEDNESDAY.
IF NOT BEFORE. WE'RE RACING TO GET DONE, SO.
>> MAY I ASK, ARE THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES STILL THE [INAUDIBLE]?
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>> DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. [INAUDIBLE]? ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR [INAUDIBLE] STANDING UP THERE.
>> DO YOU NEED ME TO STAY LONGER IN THIS MEETING?
>> I WOULDN'T LEAVE JUST YET, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND THERE.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO TAKE A SEAT UNLESS ANYONE HAS OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU OR OTHER COMMENTS FROM YOU.
>> THE OPEN SESSION IS CLOSED.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND [INAUDIBLE].
>> I THINK 10 DAYS LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD RECTIFY EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE.
I THINK THE QUESTION IS WE DON'T TYPICALLY WAIVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES.
ONLY I'VE NOT SEEN THAT HAPPEN, MAYBE ONCE IN A GAZILLION YEARS.
I WOULD BE FINE WITH ACCEPTING THE 10 DAYS, I THINK IT'S A QUESTION IF WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WE FIND IN VIOLATION AND ENFORCING THE FEES THAT ARE STANDARD.
>> I DON'T REALLY FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE ADMIN FEES, TO BE HONEST YOU.
>> THIS IS A GOOD CITIZEN PROVIDING SERVICE HERE, TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
I THINK IT'S LIKE A PLAY OF WORDS HERE WITH VIOLATION OR NOT VIOLATION.
>> WELL, IT'S DEFINITELY IN VIOLATION.
>> SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE HAVE IS, TECHNICALLY OR NOT TECHNICALLY, HE IS IN VIOLATION.
BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT WORK TRAILERS, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BOATS.
THERE ARE OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES THAT GO ON AS WELL.
TECHNICALLY OR LEGALLY, HE IS IN VIOLATION OF OUR CODE.
>> YES. WE ARE NOT AUTHORIZED AT THIS POINT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES.
>> WE CANNOT DO THAT. WE CAN HOWEVER, SUGGEST TO NOT ASSESS THE FEES.
>> BUT THAT [OVERLAPPING] IS NOT STANDARD PRACTICE. CORRECT.
>> YES. YOU CAN COME BACK UP TO THE MIC SO IT'S ON THE RECORD.
>> I COULD BE INCORRECT, BUT I THINK PART OF THE ORDINANCE IS YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A WORK TRAILER ON THE PROPERTY FOR 180 DAYS IF WORK IS BEING DONE, AND WE HAVE BEEN DOING WORK.
WE'VE ONLY HAD THE TRAILER THREE YEARS.
THERE'S THREE SEASONS THAT WE'VE HAD THE TRAILER SITTING THERE FOR LESS THAN SIX MONTHS.
AND WHILE IT'S BEEN THERE, WE'VE BEEN DOING WORK ON THE PROPERTY.
I BELIEVE I ASKED MR. WELLS ABOUT THAT ON THE PHONE AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU SAID IF IT WAS PERMITTED.
>> YEAH, IT HAS TO BE PERMITTED FOR IT TO BE ON THE PROPERTY.
>> THE WORK I'M DOING IS NOT PERMITTED.
THE ROOF WAS PERMITTED AND STUFF.
I'M DOING A LOT OF JUST COSMETIC THINGS INSIDE.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT IS THERE, PART OF THAT 180 DAYS FOR MYSELF ANYWAY. THANK YOU.
>> IS THAT JUST DAYS AND STILL DOESN'T COUNT TO OVERNIGHT OR IS THIS 180 DAYS, ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER?
>> NO. IT'S JUST THAT YOU CAN HAVE A WORK VEHICLE THERE IF YOU HAVE AN OPEN PERMIT THAT YOU'RE DOING CONSTRUCTION.
>> THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE A NEW HOME IS BEING BUILT AND THE FRAMING CREW BRINGS THEIR UTILITY TRAILER AND PARKS IT THERE FOR HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES.
>> OR THE DUMPSTER [INAUDIBLE]?
>> ANDY, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THEN?
>> WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO FIND THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION, AND I'D LIKE TO RESCIND ANY ADMIN FEES IF THE VEHICLE IS REMOVED BY MAY 14TH.
>> DO YOU WANT A DAILY FINE IF IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE?
>> I GUESS WE CAN GO $25 A DAY ON EVERY DAY AFTER MAY 14TH.
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>> IF NOT IN COMPLIANCE THEN, ARE THE FEES BROUGHT BACK IN OR NO?
>> AM I ALLOWED TO ASK YOU A LEGAL QUESTION?
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL CLEAR.
IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ANY CASE THAT COMES BEFORE THE BOARD AND ESPECIALLY AS FOUND IN VIOLATIONS, THEN THEY MUST ASSESS ADMINISTRATIVE FEES.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT.
>> WE CAN MAKE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES ANY AMOUNT WE WANT, NOT TO EXCEED THE 314.
>> YEAH. I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT.
>> BECAUSE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES ARE CALCULATED BY WHAT WE DO AND WHAT THE CITY'S COST IS.
IF ADDITIONAL WORK WAS DONE OR ADDITIONAL LETTERS WERE SENT OUT, I COULD USUALLY ADD THAT TOO.
>> THE STAT DISCOVERED BY 16207 STATE STATUTE, IT SAYS THAT IF A LOCAL GOVERNING BODY PREVAILS IN PROSECUTING A CASE BEFORE THE ENFORCEMENT BOARD, IT SHALL BE ENTITLED TO RECOVER ALL COSTS INCURRED IN PROSECUTING THE CASE BEFORE THE BOARD AND SUCH COSTS MAY BE INCLUDED IN THE LIEN THAT'S AUTHORIZED.
IN THIS INSTANCE, WELL, IT SAYS A LOCAL GOVERNING BODY, SO IT WOULD BE WHETHER THE CITY IS PREVAILING IN PROSECUTING THE CASE.
IT'S ENTITLED TO RECOVER THOSE COSTS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT'S ENTITLED TO, BUT NOT REQUIRED TO.
IS THAT CORRECT? THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
>> RIGHT. I THINK ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE IN THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD IF IT WAS THE AMOUNT AND IF THEY HAVE PREVAILED OR IF YOU DEEM PERHAPS THAT WITH COMPLIANCE THAT THEY HAVE NOT PREVAILED.
THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE'VE TYPICALLY DONE AND TAKEN THAT LINE ON IT.
OF COURSE, YOU DON'T HAVE REALLY A PRECEDENT SET HERE, BUT WE DO LIKE TO BE CONSISTENT IN TREATING EVERYONE EQUALLY.
>> SHOULD I READ YOU THIS WORD SALAD?
>> YOU READY? WE'LL FIND THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION.
HE HAS UNTIL MAY 14TH TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
IF HE DOES NOT, WE WILL START A $25 A DAY FINE IN PERPETUITY.
I'D LIKE TO ADJUST THE ADVENT FEE TO $50.
>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, IS THAT NOT TO EXCEED $50?
>> ORIGINALLY, YOU MENTIONED COMPLIANCE DAY OF MAY 15TH, AND THIS TIME YOU SAID 14TH.
YOU STILL WANT IT FOR THE 14TH, RIGHT? UNLESS I HEARD THAT WRONG.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THE 15TH WAS THE REQUEST.
>> RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF WAS THE 15TH.
>> YEAH. TEN DAYS FOR THE 15TH.
>> YOU'RE FINDING THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION OF 7.01.05D, GIVING THE OWNER AN ADDITIONAL 10 DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE BY MAY 14TH.
>> SORRY, 15TH. ASSESS ADMINISTRATIVE FEES NOT TO EXCEED $50 AND A FINE OF $25 PER DAY PER VIOLATION TO BEGIN ON MAY 16TH IF THAT PROPERTY IS NON COMPLIANCE.
>> ASSESSING ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS IN AMOUNT OF $50.
>> ASSESS ADMINISTRATIVE FEE NOT TO EXCEED $50.
>> THAT IS TIED TO THE FINDING OF NOT BEING IN COMPLIANCE,
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NOT THE DATE OF THE 15TH, RIGHT? THAT IS $50 FINE FEE JUST NOW INSTEAD OF THE 314 APPLIED?>> WHO WAS THE SECOND ON THAT ONE?
>> THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR FOTIADES.
>> I WASN'T SURE. I HAVE A, I GUESS AN OBSERVATION, JUST LAST QUESTION.
NOT NECESSARILY WITH THIS CASE, ALTHOUGH IT'S WITH THIS, BUT IN GENERAL.
THE ADMINISTRATION FEES, SO IN THIS CASE AND IN OTHERS, A MEETING WAS CANCELED, SO IT MOVED AHEAD TO THE NEXT MONTH AND HE HAD TO GO BACK OUT AND MAKE ANOTHER ASSESSMENT TO SEE IF IT WAS STILL IN VIOLATION AND HE ALSO HAD TO MAIL A CERTIFIED LETTER, AND WE'RE CHARGING PEOPLE FOR THAT WHEN IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT THE MEETING WAS CANCELED.
IT'S REALLY OUR FAULT BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A QUORUM.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT THAT'S FAIR.
>> AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S THE AMOUNT THAT OF TIME THAT CITY STAFF IS PUTTING TOWARDS THE CASE.
>> BUT IN THOSE CASES, IF THE MEETING IS CANCELED, IT'S NOT THE OWNER'S FAULT.
I'M JUST MAKING THE OBSERVATION.
>> I UNDERSTAND. BUT THE BLACK AND WHITE WRITING IS BASICALLY HOW WE'RE CHARGING IT AND THEN WE DON'T REALLY SEE THE FAIRNESS OF THE GRAY AREA.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT FEELS REALLY QUEER ON WHAT WE'VE RULED YOU HAVE UNTIL THE 15TH TO GET A COMPLIANCE.
YOU DO HAVE TO PAY $50 TO THE CITY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE FEE THAT IS INSTEAD OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY 314 APPLIED.
THEN IF YOU'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE BY THE 15TH, YOU'LL GET FEES OF $25 A DAY.
[5.2 ONETHA MIDDLETON EST. C/O EARL YOUMAN, 425 SOUTH 10TH ST, CASE #2019-0084.]
WE HAVE ONETHA MIDDLETON, CARE OF EARL YOUMAN AT 425 SOUTH 10TH STREET, CASE 2019-0084. OFFICER WELLS.>> THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT ALL EVIDENCE AND DOCUMENTATION AND PHOTOS INTO THE RECORD FOR THIS CASE.
WE STARTED THIS CASE FEBRUARY 14TH, 2019.
CAN WE BRING THESE NEW PHOTOS UP? I OBSERVED A STRUCTURE WITH A CITING ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT WAS ROT, NEEDING REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT, ALONG WITH REMOVING ALL MILDEW AND ALGAE ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE.
I RECORDED THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE VIOLATIONS, GIVEN 30 DAYS TO CORRECT THE VIOLATIONS.
MARCH 18TH, 2019, I PERFORMED A SECOND INSPECTION.
MAY 13TH, 2019, I PERFORMED A THIRD INSPECTION, THERE WAS NO CORRECTIONS.
MAY 14TH, 2019, I SPOKE WITH MR. YOUMAN AND HE REQUESTED AN EXTENSION OF TIME.
I GRANTED HIM AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS.
THE NEXT INSPECTION WAS ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2019.
THIS CASE WAS IN PROBATE FOR THE LONGEST TIME.
THE OWNER KEPT SAYING THAT THE FAMILY MEMBERS WERE NOT IN AGREEMENT.
HE WANTED TO TEAR THE STRUCTURE DOWN.
BUT LIKE I SAID, IT WAS IN PROBATE, AND HE WAS WAITING FOR THAT TO GET FINISHED AND FINALIZED, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, HE WAS GOING TO TEAR THE PLACE DOWN.
BUT GETTING BACK TO WHERE I WAS AT IN THE STAFF REPORT, ON JANUARY 27TH, 2022, THE PROPERTY WAS STILL IN VIOLATION.
THEN MARCH 16TH OF 2022, WE MAILED A CERTIFIED LETTER TO THE OWNER GIVING THE OWNER ANOTHER 30 DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
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WE RECEIVED THE NOTICE VIOLATION OF A CERTIFIED LETTER BACK AND CLAIMED BY THE RESPONDENT.APRIL 20TH, 2022, I POSTED A COPY ON THE FRONT DOOR AND RECORDED A PHOTO OF THE POSTING ALONG WITH FILLING OUT A NOTARIZED AFFIDAVIT OF SERVICE.
MR. YOUMAN CALLED, LET ME KNOW THE HOUSE STILL IN PROBATE, AND THE STRUCTURE WILL BE DEMOLISHED IN THREE MONTHS.
MAY 31ST, 2022, AN INSPECTION WAS COMPLETED.
THE PROPERTY, STILL NOTHING HAD BEEN DONE TO IT.
THEN JUNE 2ND, 2022, MR. YOUMAN STOPPED ME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
HE STATED THE PROBATE WAS GOING VERY SLOW DUE TO FAMILY DISAGREEMENTS.
HE REITERATED THAT THE HOUSE WAS TO BE TORN DOWN AFTER THE PROBATE WAS SETTLED.
JUNE 13TH, 2022, MR. YOUMAN CALLED AND ASKED FOR MORE TIME.
HE WANTED TO INFORM ME THAT MR. BRYAN ROBERTS HAD BOUGHT THE ADJOINING PARCEL, AND HE WANTED TO DEMOLISH THE HOUSE AND BUILD MULTIPLE HOUSES ON BOTH OF THESE LOTS.
MARCH 3RD, THEN WE JUMP AHEAD TO 2025, I MAILED A THIRD CERTIFIED LETTER TO THE OWNER, AND I ALSO POSTED A COPY ON THE FRONT DOOR AND I RECORDED, LIKE I SAID, THE PHOTO OF THE POSTING ALONG WHEN FILLING OUT A NOTARIZED AFFIDAVIT OF SERVICE.
MARCH 7TH, WE RECEIVED THE GREEN CARD BACK WITH THE OWNER'S SIGNATURE ON AND GIVING US PROPER SERVICE THAT HE RECEIVED THE CERTIFIED LETTER.
MARCH 25TH, MR. YOUMAN CAUGHT ME IN THE PARKING LOT TO DISCUSS HIS PROPERTY.
HE ASKED SOME CLOSE FRIENDS THAT WERE GIVING HIM HELP TO CLEAN UP THE PROPERTY AND DO MINOR REPAIRS.
THE FRIENDS WERE TRYING TO FIND OUTSIDE AGENCIES THAT MIGHT HELP WITH THE BIGGER REPAIRS, BUT THE FRIENDS DID CLEAN UP THE PROPERTY, BUT THE VIOLATIONS TO THE HOUSE HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.
APRIL 3RD, I COMPLETED A THIRD INSPECTION.
THE PROPERTY WAS CLEANED UP, BUT THE STRUCTURE WAS STILL IN VIOLATION.
APRIL 24TH, I DID A PRE AGENDA INSPECTION.
IT'S STILL IN VIOLATION OF 42-117.
CONCLUSION IS, THIS IS A VERY OLD CASE WHERE WE HAD BEEN WORKING WITH THE FAMILY THROUGH PROBATE PROCEEDINGS THAT CARRIED ON FOR MANY YEARS.
ONCE OUR DEPARTMENT FOUND THE PROBATE WAS SETTLED, OUR DEPARTMENT STARTED ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS TO BRING THE PROPERTY IN COMPLIANCE.
THE PROPERTY IS STILL IN VIOLATION.
THE CITY RECOMMENDS A MOTION TO BE MADE TO FIND THE RESPONDENT IN VIOLATION OF CODE OF BOARDS TO SECTION 42-117, EXTERIOR STRUCTURE MAINTENANCE, GIVING THE OWNER 30 MORE DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE BY JUNE 5TH, 2025.
THE CITY RECOMMENDS A MOTION TO BE MADE THAT ALL ADMIN FEES BE PAID BY THE RESPONDENT AND A FINE OF $50 PER DAY TO BEGIN ON JUNE 6TH, 2025, IF NOT IN COMPLIANCE BY JUNE 5TH, 2025. CITY RESTS.
>> HOW MUCH ARE THE ADMIN FEES?
>> THE ADMIN FEES ARE $431.52.
>> DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT A LIEN IN THIS HOUSE OR GET TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS FIRST, OBVIOUSLY?
>> IN 45 DAYS, WE CAN PUT A LIEN ON THIS PROPERTY.
>> SO, 30 DAYS IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION, [INAUDIBLE]?
>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KEPT AT, YES, MA'AM.
THE BOARD CAN MAKE FURTHER RECOMMENDATIONS.
>> BASICALLY, SINCE THIS CASE STARTED OUTSIDE OF A LITTLE CLEANING IN THE YARD, NOTHING INTANGIBLE HAS BEEN DONE TO THE PROPERTY.
>> I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITUATION.
IT'S A MESS. IT'S A REAL MESS AND HAS BEEN FOR MANY YEARS.
>> WE HAVE REALLY TRIED TO WORK WITH HIM ON THIS, AND LIKE I SAID, WE STAYED ON IT BECAUSE THE PROBATE HEARING WAS IN PROCESS, AND WE BACKED OFF OF THE ENFORCEMENT PART OF IT, BUT WHEN HE DID MAKE IT KNOWN TO ME THAT THE PROBATE WAS COMPLETED.
LIKE I SAID, HE'D BEEN REITERATING TO ME THAT HE WAS GOING TO TEAR THE PLACE DOWN, BUT NOW HE'S GOT A NEW APPROACH THAT HE WANTS TO FIX THE PLACE BACK UP.
>> IT DOESN'T SAY HERE WHEN THE PROBATE WAS?
>> HE DIDN'T TELL ME EXACTLY WHEN IT WAS.
>> YOU'RE JUST ASSUMING [OVERLAPPING].
>> HOW DO WE FIND OUT IF IT'S HIS CLAIM IS LEGITIMATE?
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>> WELL, REALLY, WE'RE RULING ON WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS IN VIOLATION 42-117 AS OF TODAY, WHICH IT IS.
LIKE I SAID, I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS EXCESSIVE TIME ALLOWED DUE TO THOSE PROCEEDINGS, BUT AS YOU GUYS ARE DIRECTED TODAY, WHETHER TO FIND IT IN VIOLATION AS OF TODAY.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BRINGING THIS CASE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR.
>> HOW MUCH ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THE DAILY FINE TO BE STARTING JUNE 6?
>> I BELIEVE IT WAS $50 PER DAY, AND THE ADMIN FEE IS MARKED [OVERLAPPING] TO 31.52.
>> I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, I RECOMMEND WE GO WITH WHAT THE CITY IS SAYING FOR THE RECOMMENDATION.
NO CHANGES TO IT AT ALL, I CERTAINLY GIVEN HIM ENOUGH TIME.
HE'S COME UP WITH THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AS TO WHY, IT'S GOING TO GET FIXED, AND HASN'T.
DO I HAVE TO READ IT OUT WHAT THEY RECOMMEND OR NO? I JUST SAY FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS STATED.
[OVERLAPPING] ONE THING BEFORE YOU GO FORWARD, IS 50 ENOUGH?
>> I'LL SAY YES FOR NOW, AND, IF IT'S IF NOTHING'S DONE, WE COULD ALWAYS CHANGE IT.
>> WELL, THE CITY CAN MOVE ON LIEN ANYWAY.
>> I RECOMMEND GIVING THE OWNER 30 ADDITIONAL DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE BY JUNE 5, THIS YEAR.
THE CITY ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT ALL ADMINISTRATION FEES BE PAID BY THE RESPONDENT AND A FINE AT $50 PER DAY BEGIN ON JUNE 6 OF THIS YEAR, IF NOT IN COMPLIANCE BY JUNE 5.
>> I ALSO FIND THAT THE PROPERTY IS IN VIOLATION.
>> THE PROPERTY IS IN VIOLATION, YES.
>> I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO VOTE. I BELIEVE THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME, BUT IT'S PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO GET IT IN COMPLIANCE AT THIS TIME, JUST MY OBSERVATION.
>> WELL, IF IT WAS ACTUALLY APPROPRIATE, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO DO ANYTHING MORE.
>> I HAVE FIND THE RESPONDENT IN VIOLATION OF SECTION 42-117, EXTERIOR STRUCTURE MAINTENANCE, GIVING THE OWNER ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE BY JUNE 5, 2025, ALL ADMIN ADMINISTRATIVE FEES TO BE PAID BY THE RESPONDENT IN A FINE OF $50 PER DAY TO BEGIN ON JUNE 6, 2025. VICE CHAIR FOTIADES?
>> [BACKGROUND] WE HAVE ONE MORE NEW BUSINESS CASE,
[5.3 WARREN GILBERT EST. C/O TRANELL GILBERT, 514 SOUTH 9TH ST, CASE # 2019-0017.]
WARREN GILBERT, 514 SOUTH NINTH STREET, CASE 2019-0017, OFFICER WELLS.>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT ALL OUR EVIDENCE AND DOCUMENTATION, AND PHOTOS INTO THE RECORD AT THIS TIME.
CAN YOU BRING UP THOSE PHOTOS FOR THIS? A VERY NICE GENTLEMAN HAS TREMENDOUS HEALTH ISSUES.
HE INITIALLY TRIED TO DO THESE REPAIRS HIMSELF, BUT IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I DON'T THINK HE WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT HIMSELF.
THIS IS A FAMILY-OWNED STRUCTURE.
HE HAS CONVEYED TO ME THAT HE DOES NOT WANT TO TEAR THIS HOME DOWN, THAT IT'S HIS FAMILY HOME, AND THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE REPAIRS ON IT.
THIS IS THE CARPORT THAT'S COMPLETELY COLLAPSED, AND THE ROOF HAS COLLAPSED ABOVE THAT.
WE CAN GET SOME OTHER PHOTOS THERE.
>> SOMEONE'S LIVING IN THIS HOUSE?
>> NO. THERE'S NOBODY THAT'S LIVED IN THIS HOUSE SINCE THE DAY I OPENED THIS CASE.
THE WINDOWS HAVE COMPLETELY FALLEN OUT.
LIKE I SAID, THERE'S HOLES IN THE ROOF.
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WE'VE BEEN TRYING FOR SINCE 2017 TO HAVE A BUILDING OFFICIAL MARK THIS STRUCTURE AS AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE AND CONDEMN IT, BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO OR WE WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN HAVING THAT DONE.WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ROUTE TO GET THIS STRUCTURE EITHER TORN DOWN OR REPAIRED, OR WHATEVER ACTION THE BOARD DECIDES.
BUT ANYWAY, LET ME GET INTO THE STAFF REPORT.
APRIL 10 OF 2017, I OPENED A CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE, AND IT WAS UNDER THE OLD SYSTEM.
THE STRUCTURE WAS IN BAD REPAIR.
THERE WAS TWO INOPERABLE VEHICLES THAT WERE ON THE PROPERTY.
I POSTED A COURTESY NOTICE ON THE FRONT DOOR GIVING THEM 10 DAYS, WHICH WE KNOW THAT WAS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT ANYWAY, WE RECORDED PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE VIOLATION.
APRIL 20, 2017, OUR OFFICE MAILED A CERTIFIED LETTER TO THE RESPONDENT GIVEN AN ADDITIONAL 10 DAYS TO COMPLY.
ON THE 20TH, THE LETTER WAS RETURNED.
THE PO BOX THAT THEY HAD WAS IN THE SYSTEM, ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WAS CLOSED.
AUGUST 28, 2017, ADDITIONAL PHOTOS WERE TAKEN OF THE CURRENT CONDITIONS JUST TO REGISTER WHERE THE PROPERTY WAS.
NOVEMBER 16, 2017, OUR OFFICE MAILED A SECOND CERTIFIED LETTER TO THE RESPONDENT.
OF COURSE, ON NOVEMBER 21, THE SECOND LETTER CAME BACK UNCLAIMED, SO HE DIDN'T PICK IT UP.
JANUARY 14, 2019, A NEW CASE WAS GENERATED IN OUR NEW INTERGO SYSTEM, AND THE VIOLATIONS THAT WERE CITED WAS THE OVERGROWTH, 42-116, THE EXTERIOR STRUCTURE, 42-117, AND THEN 42-119 WITH ALL THE TRASH AND RUBBISH, AND GARBAGE.
THEN ALSO THROUGH IN THERE, 42-121 ABOUT A VACANT STRUCTURE AND LAND MAINTENANCE.
THEN, ALSO THE FINAL WAS 42 DAYS, 173 REC OR OPT VEHICLES.
CONTINUING ON JANUARY 18, 2019, A THIRD LETTER WAS MAILED TO THE RESPONDENT.
FEBRUARY 14, THE LETTER CAME BACK UNCLAIMED.
FEBRUARY 25, OUR OFFICE MAILED A FOURTH CERTIFIED LETTER ALONG WITH POSTING IT AT THE PROPERTY.
THE RESPONDENT WAS GIVEN AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS.
MARCH 16, 2019, THE GREEN CARD WAS SIGNED BY THE OWNER AND RETURNED TO HER OFFICE, GIVEN THIS PROPER SERVICE.
MARCH 11, 2019, I PERFORMED AN INSPECTION.
THE PROPERTY WAS STILL IN VIOLATION.
SEPTEMBER 19, 2019, MR. GILBERT SPOKE WITH MICHELLE FORSTROM ABOUT A SURGERY HE WAS HAVING ON HIS FOOT.
HE ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL TIME TO HEAL TO BE ABLE TO WORK ON THE HOUSE.
MS. FORSTROM ASKED HIM TO KEEP OUR DEPARTMENT INFORMED ABOUT HIS PROGRESS.
OCTOBER 12, WOULD GO TWO YEARS FORWARD, 2021.
I CALLED MR. GILBERT TO LET HIM KNOW OUR DEPARTMENT HAD RECEIVED MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS ABOUT HIS PROPERTY.
HE STATED THAT HE WAS RECOVERING FROM ANOTHER SURGERY, NEEDING MORE TIME.
I TOLD MR. GILBERT THAT WE NEEDED TO SEE CONTINUED PROGRESS TOWARDS COMPLIANCE.
I MENTIONED HE COULD HAVE SOMEONE CUT AND CLEAN UP THE PROPERTY AND REMOVE ALL THE TRASH AND VINES GROWING UP ON THE HOUSE.
I STATED HE WOULD NEED A DEMO PERMIT TO REMOVE THE DAMAGED AND ROTTED CARPORT AND GARAGE THAT WAS COLLAPSED.
OCTOBER 21, 2021, A FIELD INSPECTION WAS CONDUCTED.
NO EFFORTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO CORRECT ANY OF THE VIOLATIONS.
OCTOBER 31, 2022, A YEAR AHEAD.
ADDITIONAL PHOTOS WERE RECORDED TO GIVE EVIDENCE OF WHERE THE PROPERTY WAS.
JUMP AHEAD TO THIS YEAR, MARCH 4, 2025.
I POSTED A FOURTH NOTICE OF VIOLATION LETTER AT THE PROPERTY ON THE FRONT ANSWER DOOR.
I RECORDED A PHOTO OF THE POSTING ALONG WITH FILLING OUT A NOTARIZED AFFIDAVIT OF SERVICE.
ON MARCH 31, 2025, MR. GILBERT STOPPED BY THE OFFICE AND SPOKE WITH CRYSTAL RIMES AND MICHELLE FORSTROM.
STATED HE HAD RECEIVED A LETTER, NOTIFYING NOTICE OF THE VIOLATION OF HIS HEARING LETTER.
HE ASKED THEM FOR AN EXTENSION OF TIME.
THEY TOLD HIM HE WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK TO ME ABOUT AN EXTENSION OF TIME.
SHE ASKED HIM TO REACH OUT TO VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS THAT MIGHT BE WILLING TO GIVE ASSISTANCE WITH THE REPAIRS.
THEN ON APRIL 7, 2025, I CALLED MR. GILBERT WHEN I RETURNED FROM VACATION.
MR. GILBERT WANTED MORE TIME, I ADVISED HIM THAT IN HIS BEST INTEREST, HE SHOULD APPEAR BEFORE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD AND TO EXPRESS HIS INTENTIONS AND THE TIME FRAME NEEDED.
APRIL 8, 2025, I MAILED ANOTHER CERTIFIED LETTER ALONG WITH THE HAND POSTING AT THE PROPERTY BECAUSE WE HAD A CHANGE OF HEARING DATE DUE TO THE SHRIMP FESTIVAL.
THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE RETURNED THE SIGNATURE CARD BACK,
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I RECORDED THE PHOTO OF THE POSTING, ALONG WITH FILLING OUT THE NOTARIZED AFFIDAVIT STAFF SERVICE.ON 24 APRIL 2025, I DID A PRE-GIN INSPECTION.
THIS PROPERTY IN MY OPINION, IS A BLIGHT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED.
THE ROOF HAS CAVED IN IN SECTIONS, THE RIGHT FRONT WINDOW HAS FALLEN OUT OF ITS CASING.
THE CARPORT GARAGE IS COMPLETELY ROTTED AND COLLAPSED.
CONCLUSION, WE HAVE TRIED THROUGH ALL OF OUR PREVIOUS BUILDING OFFICIALS SINCE 2017 TO HAVE THIS PROPERTY CONDEMNED AND DEEMED AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE.
THIS IS THE FAMILY HOME OF MR. GILBERT.
I UNDERSTAND WHY HE DOES NOT WANT TO DEMOLISH THE HOUSE.
MR. GILBERT HAS HAD MAJOR HEALTH ISSUES THAT KEPT HIM FROM LETTING THE REPAIRS NEEDED OVER THE YEARS.
WE HAVE GONE WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND TRYING TO GIVE THE RESPONDENT TIME TO BRING THIS HOUSE INTO COMPLIANCE.
OUR SYMPATHY FOR MR. GILBERT'S HEALTH AND SITUATION HAS GONE ON WAY TOO LONG.
THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE CITY RECOMMENDS A MOTION TO BE MADE TO FIND THE RESPONDENT IN VIOLATION OF CODE OF ORDINANCES 42-117, EXTERIOR STRUCTURE AND MAINTENANCE, GIVING THE OWNER 30 MORE DAYS TO COME IN COMPLIANCE BY JUNE 5, 2025.
CITY RECOMMENDS A MOTION TO BE MADE THAT ALL ADMIN FEES BE PAID BY THE RESPONDENT AND A FINE OF $50 PER DAY TO BEGIN ON JUNE 6, IF NOT IN COMPLIANCE BY JUNE 5, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT BEING SO LENGTHY.
BUT THE CITY REST AND THERE'S ADMIN FEES OF 563.12.
>> DO WE KNOW IF THE PROPERTY TAXES ARE PAID, OR IS HE IN THE FAULT OF EVERYTHING HERE BESIDES TAKING CARE OF THIS PLACE?
>> I'M NOT 100% SURE OF THAT, I BELIEVE THE TAXES ARE PAID UP TODAY, BUT I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE.
>> WELL, THIS IS A WALKING DISASTER.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FIND A PROPERTY VIOLATION.
WE GIVE THIS GENTLEMAN 30 DAYS TO EITHER REPAIR OR KNOCK IT DOWN.
IF HE DOESN'T BY JUNE 5, THEN WE START A $50 A DAY FINE PLUS THE ADVENT FEES.
>> IT'S NOT GOING TO BE REPAIRED.
>> DEBATING IF I WANT THIS ON THE RECORD, BUT HOW IS THIS NOT DEEMED UNSAFE?
>> NO, I'M IN AGREEANCE WITH THAT.
THE CURRENT BUILDING OFFICIAL MADE A STATEMENT THAT IF IT'S NOT FALLING INTO THE RIGHT AWAY, THAT HE WOULD NOT DEEM IT AS BEING UNSAFE.
>> UNDER THE UNSAFE BUILDING AND ABATEMENT CODE, IT'S THE BUILDING OFFICIAL THAT WOULD MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, AN ISSUE THAT.
>> DOES IT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT NOBODY'S LIVING THERE? IF SOMEBODY WERE LIVING THERE.
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BUILDING OFFICIALS WE'VE HAD SINCE 2017, WHAT, 4, 5? WE CAN'T GET ANY TRACTION WITH ANY OF THEM.
I GUESS THEY COULD HAVE DONE AN ENGINEERING STUDY, BUT I KNOW IN PREVIOUS SITUATIONS WHERE AN ENGINEERING STUDY WAS DONE, AND THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THE ENGINEERING STUDY'S REPORT.
THEY DID NOT DO ANYTHING WITH IT AS FAR AS A CONDEMNATION OR DEEMING IT UNSAFE BUT IN THIS CASE, NO ENGINEERING REPORT WAS REQUESTED.
HIS STANCE IS THAT IT'S NOT FALLING INTO THE RIGHT WAY AND THAT IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING? I KNOW MR. GILBERT, I'VE KNOWN HIM SINCE I WAS A LITTLE BOY.
>> FROM WHAT I KNOW OF HIS SITUATION AND HIS FAMILY, I KNOW HIS FAMILY FOR MANY YEARS, THIS PLACE IS NEVER GOING TO GET FIXED.
THIS IS NO LESS A MATTER OF PUBLIC SAFETY THAN WHAT WAS THE LADY WITH THE SWIMMING POOL.
>> IT IS NO LESS A MATTER OF PUBLIC SAFETY THAN THAT IS.
AS LONG AS THE CAN HAS BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD, SOMEONE WANDERS INTO THAT PLACE AND IT FALLS IN ON HIM.
I MEAN, THE CITY CAN BE HELD LIABLE.
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>> IT WOULD REALLY DEPEND ON THE FACTS OF THE CASE.
I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THAT HAPPENED IF THE PLAINTIFF'S ATTORNEY AT LEAST ATTEMPTED TO FIND LIABILITY ON THE CITY'S PART.
>> THAT WAS ONCE A VERY PROUD HOUSE.
I REMEMBER THAT, BUT THOSE DAYS ARE GONE.
IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY, THIS PLACE NEEDS TO BE CONDEMNED, NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN.
IT REALLY DOES. IN FACT, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE A WEIGHT OFF MR. GILBERT AT THIS POINT FOR THAT TO BE DONE.
>> THE PROBLEM WITH THIS SINCE IT'S HOMESTEADED, EVEN THOUGH WE MAY PUT A LIEN ON IT, THESE FINES WILL JUST ACCRUE UNTIL THE END OF TIME?
>> WE NEED TO FIND A LOCAL CONTRACTOR WITH.
>> WHAT I HAVE IS FIND THE RESPONDENT IN VIOLATION OF SECTION 42-117, GIVING THE OWNER 30 ADDITIONAL DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE BY REPAIR OR DEMOLITION BY JUNE 5TH, 2025.
THEN THE VIOLATION FINE IS $50 PER DAY AND TO ASSESS ADMINISTRATIVE FEES, IS THAT SOUND CORRECT?
>> WELLS, THERE IS NO HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION ON THAT PROPERTY FOR THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS.
>> I'M LOOKING AT THE TRIM NOTICE.
NOW, IT HAS A LOWER ASSESSED VALUE, BUT THAT MAY JUST BE THE SAVE OUR HOMES CAP ON THE INCREASE IN VALUE.
>> THIS IS NO EX NONE EXEMPTION.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARCEL SUMMARY AT THE BOTTOM.
>> CAN YOU PULL UP THE CURRENT? PROPERTY APPRAISAL ON THAT. I'M SHOCKED.
>> THAT'S JUST FOR ADMINISTRATIVE.
IF IT IS GOING TO GO TO A LIEN AND A FORECLOSURE TO KNOW THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.
>> IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER BOARD BUSINESS? MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.
I HAVE SOME QUICK LITTLE THING.
WITH THE QUESTION ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES.
I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AFTER THE FACT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ALSO MENTION, EVEN THOUGH IT DOES GO UP, HE ALSO HAD ADDITIONAL TIME TOO.
THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER ASPECT TO THINK ON WHEREAS IF WE DIDN'T GET CANCELED THAT DAY? THEY WOULD'VE BEEN LOWER. BUT HE WOULD HAVE A LOT LESS TIME.
>> HE SAID HE DIDN'T ADDRESS THE SITUATION.
IT WAS STILL IN VIOLATION. THAT'S RIGHT.
IF YOU LOOK AT HOW THE COURTS HANDLE COSTS OR ATTORNEYS ATTORNEY'S FEES, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT A HEARING GETS CANCELED OR SOMETHING.
I'VE HAD IT WHERE I'VE RECOVERED ATTORNEY'S FEES BECAUSE I DROVE ALL THE WAY TO GREEN COST SPRINGS FOR A HEARING, AND THE JUDGE SAID, SORRY, I'VE GOT A CONFLICT. WE GOT TO RESCHEDULE.
AND I DRIVE ALL THE WAY BACK AND DRIVE IT BACK TO ANOTHER HEARING, AND IT'S ALL TAXABLE.
IN A LITIGATION CASE, IT'S COSTS.
THE LAW SAYS THAT THE LOSING PARTY PAYS IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.
>> I ALSO WANT TO ASK. I KNOW MR. LORI IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD.
>> PLEASURE OF THE CHAIR TO RECOGNIZE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC INCLUDING MR. LORI FOR.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCEDURE WAS, IF YOU CAN SUBMIT SOMETHING TO SPEAK.
BUT PAUL LORI 11 SOUTH SEVENTH STREET FOR NERNA BEACH.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT YOU TO KNOW.
I'M COMING HERE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE BOARD.
I'VE GOT THING I WANT TO SAY, BUT I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE SHADOWED BY MY DEEP APPRECIATION BECAUSE I REALLY FEEL LIKE THE BOARD DID SAVE US SOME AGGRAVATION FROM WHAT WE WENT THROUGH THE HOUSE.
I'M TRYING TO RESET MYSELF FROM EVERYTHING THAT I'M HEARING, ESPECIALLY WHEN I HEAR AN OLD CASE LIKE THIS WHERE I HAVE EMPATHY FOR THE HOMEOWNER THAT'S UNDER A MEDICAL CONDITION, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT A CASE LIKE THIS THAT'S UP THERE SO LONG, AND I GO BACK AND I LOOK AT MY CASE, YOU KNOW, COMING OUT BEFORE THIS BOARD SIX MONTHS AFTER WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE.
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IT DOES DRILL SOME EMOTIONS FOR ME.BUT I'M TRYING TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, ACTION IN A DIFFERENT WAY TO RECENTS CERTAIN THINGS WHICH I FEEL ARE SMALL, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME HERE TONIGHT.
BUT PART 2 OF IT IS, I ALSO FEEL LIKE I WISH SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER BECAUSE I ALSO SENSED IT HERE WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS HERE WITH THE TRAILER.
I WISH THAT YOU ALL COULD DO A WORKSHOP YOURSELVES, IF THAT'S ANYWHERE POSSIBLE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COMMISSION, BECAUSE I DO KNOW THROUGH THE LAND CODE, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT CHANGE IT TO PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE.
I KNOW THERE'S A CERTAIN PROCESS TO DO THAT, OR AN APPLICANT, WHICH I'LL WATCH BECAUSE IF I FEEL PASSIONATELY ABOUT IT, I'LL EVEN SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR IT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE AT TIMES THE PUBLIC DOESN'T GET, A CITIZEN IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND I COULD TAKE MYSELF BECAUSE I'M GOING TO SPEAK SELFISHLY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I WENT THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE IF THERE COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ACTIONABLE FROM THE BOARD THAT STOPS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICE FROM BRINGING SOMETHING TO THE BOARD AND FORCING THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICE TO ACTUALLY WORK WITH THE PUBLIC, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST, AND THE ONLY REASON I CAME HERE TONIGHT IS ALSO, I WORKED IN AIR TRAFFIC AOV SAFETY AND QUALITY ASSURANCE AND COMPLIANCE.
I WAS IN A COMPLIANCE OFFICE FOR THREE YEARS, AND I KNOW OFFICER WELLS POSITION IN WELLS POSITION I'VE BEEN IN THAT I'VE BEEN IN THAT GENRE, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT EVERY ROLE THAT MEETS EVERY SITUATION.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF AT LEAST I'VE EXPERIENCED IN MY CASE, DISCONNECT WITH A CITIZEN, IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT IS REALLY GENUINELY TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND I NOTICED IT IN YOUR FACES, TOO, AT TIMES.
I NOTICED, WHEN MISS NICOLE AT THE END, WAS SAYING, HIT THE HOUSE, JUST GET IT ON THE COMPLIANCE.
BUT I THINK WHAT YOU DON'T SEE, AS I SEE AS A HOMEOWNER THAT'S GOT A HOUSE THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY STRUCTURALLY FAILING, THAT THE CITY ACKNOWLEDGED AND THEN JUST BEING IN THIS, YOU VOLLEYBALL COURT WAS REALLY FRUSTRATING.
SOMETIMES IT JUST TAKES A LITTLE BIT FOR PROCEDURES TO BE REFRESHED.
AGAIN, IN THE INTERESTS, OF GENUINE CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE THAT ARE REALLY AND NOT TO SAY OR JUST CASES THAT ARE JUST SOMETIMES JUST NEED TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE LINES IN THE PARAGRAPH OF AN ORDINANCE.
I'M GOING TO END AGAIN JUST TO THE BOARD.
>> I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I COME HERE EVERY DAY WITH AN OPEN MIND AND OPEN HEART.
>> OCCASIONALLY, I WILL FEEL BAD WHEN I LEAVE HERE.
BUT MOST OF THE TIME, I FEEL LIKE I DID THE RIGHT THING FOR MY NEIGHBORS. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
IT'S NOT TO PUNISH PEOPLE, IT'S TO HAVE SOME EMPATHY FOR THE NEIGHBOR WHO HAS A SITUATION LIKE THIS.
YES, I FEEL SORRY FOR THIS GUY, BUT THIS IS A UNMITIGATED DISASTER.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S DRAGGED ON THIS LONG.
FOR THE GUY WHO HAS A WORKING TRAILER, I FEEL SORRY FOR HIM TOO.
HE'S JUST TRYING TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE.
I THINK THE DISCONNECT IS IN THE OFFICE.
I'M VALIDATING THE BOARD, 100%.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING. I'M VERY, VERY THANKFUL TO ALL OF YOU BECAUSE IF IT REALLY, I THINK IF IT WASN'T FOR THIS BOARD, I WOULD HAVE BEEN A HARDER PROCESS FOR ME. THAT'S A SHAME.
>> WELL, IF WE GO TO A MAGISTRATE, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
>> I WAS SO PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
I WENT TO THE COMMISSION BECAUSE I WAS JUST SITTING OUT IN THE AUDIENCE, AND I HEARD THEY WERE GOING TO DISMANT THE BOARD.
MR. ANDY, THAT'S WHY I'M VALIDATING YOU ALL UP HERE, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY WENT TO THE CITY COMMISSIONER MEETING DURING A PUBLIC COMMENT TO SUPPORT PLEASE DON'T DISMANTLE THIS BOARD, BECAUSE I REALLY BELIEVE THAT YOU ALL OFFER THAT TENDERNESS, THAT COMPASSION, AND I THINK YOU DO DEEP DEEP TO IT.
I WATCHED IT TONIGHT. AGAIN, SOMETIMES YOU COME UP HERE AND YOU SAY CERTAIN THINGS.
I'M NOT SITTING BACK THERE SAYING I GET AN EMOTION THAT I'M GETTING ANGRY.
YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU ALL ARE JUST WORKING REALLY HARD.
I CARVED OUT MY TIME TONIGHT, BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE VOLUNTEER CITIZENS WHO COME HERE AND DO THE INTEREST FOR THE COMMUNITY.
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AGAIN, I'M TELLING YOU, THANK YOU FOR THAT, CAUSE I KNOW IT COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT HARDER FOR MYSELF, BOTH MYSELF AND MISS RUTH.>> SPECIFICALLY, DO YOU RECOMMEND IN TERMS OF AWARENESS FOR THE COMMUNITY, IS IT RELATED TO THE CODE? YOU MENTIONED DOING SOME TYPE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OR OUTREACH SO THAT THERE'S A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
I THINK JUST YOUR OPINION OF SUGGESTIONS BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE BUT THERE ARE ALWAYS WAYS TO IMPROVE ANYTHING AND I DON'T REMEMBER HOW OLD IS THE LDC?
>> FOR ME, JUST NOT TO TAKE A LOT OF YOUR TIME.
I CAN WRITE MISS CRYSTAL A LETTER UP FROM WHAT I FEEL LIKE IN MY EXPERIENCE, AND I CAN GET TO YOU.
BUT I THOUGHT WHEN I WAS SITTING BACK THERE, I JUST THINK IT I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SUGGESTION THAT SOMETIMES IF THIS GROUP CAN DO.
WHEN I WAS ON THE MARINE ADVISORY BOARD, SOMETIMES YOU COULD JUST STOP AND JUST SAY TO YOURSELF, WE'RE JUST ADVISING.
I'M ON THE ST. MARY'S RIVER MANAGEMENT KEEPER.
ALL WE DO IS ADVISE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.
YOU ALL HAVE THE BEAUTIFUL OPPORTUNITY, JUST LIKE MISS ANDY JUST POINTED OUT, YOU HAVE THE BEAUTIFUL OPPORTUNITY.
I'M GOING BACK IN MY CORPORATE DAYS NOW.
YOU HAVE THIS ORGANIZATIONAL KNOWLEDGE FROM BEING BOARD MEMBERS OF SITTING UP HERE.
TO ME, THE HUMAN EMOTION IS THE BEST THING.
WHEN YOU SEE SOMEBODY JUST REALLY STRUGGLING ON SOMETHING, THERE'S TENSION BETWEEN, SOMETHING THAT'S VERY BUREAUCRATIC AND THE HUMAN SIDE OF LIFE.
REALLY, WHAT I'M ASKING IS, HOW DO YOU JUST TRY TO STILL MAINTAIN THE PUBLIC SAFETY, THE PUBLIC BEAUTY OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND BUT ALSO TAKE INTO COMPASSION NOT NOT EVERY SITUATION.
I KNOW MR. BERNARD DID IT ALSO, WHEN I WATCHED YOU GUYS HERE.
BUT I THINK IF YOU WERE ABLE TO DO A WORKSHOP, AND THEN SEE SOME OF THE THINGS JUST TO GIVE THE BIGGEST SUGGESTION WOULD BE LIKE THE WORK TRAILER.
YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY LEGITIMATELY HAS TOOLS AT THE TRADE, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE DIFFERENT THAN A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE.
THEN THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMISSIONS AND EVERYBODY CAN DECIDE IF THAT'S SOMEWHERE.
IF THEY WANT TO TRAVEL DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE AND MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR THAT.
I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE LIKE OUR PROPERTY.
THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A POINT WHERE SOMEBODY CAME IN AND SAID, STOP.
THIS IS NOW A FULL FLEDGED CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, IN THIS THING.
REALLY, IF YOU GO DOWN, THE WHOLE SEE OF THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW IS ALL EXPOSED, EVERYBODY.
YOU CAN GO LOOK AT IT, AND IT'S AS ROTTEN AS ROTTEN AS CHOCOLATE SITTING ON A SIDEWALK FOR 10 YEARS.
BUT IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, JUST THERE'S, LIKE, NOT EVERYTHING MEETS THAT ORDINANCE.
WHEN I WAS IN COMPLIANCE, WE HIT AIR TRAFFIC FACILITIES, AND YOU COULD TELL THE FACILITY WAS REALLY GENUINELY TRYING TO FIX OR NOT FALL INTO THIS.
WE HAD WAYS THAT WE WERE ABLE, YOU KNOW, TO WORK WITH THEM WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, AN ACTUAL VIOLATION.
SO IF YOU DO A WORKSHOP AND YOU COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL SUGGESTIONS, I SAY, YOU KNOW, BRING HIM FORWARD BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GOT IT IN YOUR HEART, MR. COLE.
IT'S REALLY HOW TO BALANCE THAT BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND JUST LIKE WHAT ANDY SAID, YOU GET A CASE LIKE TONIGHT WITH THE MEDICAL THING.
IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT. THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE? I GOT TO GET A MOTION FOR JOIN.
>> WE WANT TO POTENTIAL DISCUSS THIS POINT IN BUSINESS IN NEXT.
WE CAN CALL THIS OVER AND I THINK ABOUT IF THERE IS ANY FEEDBACK WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE TO THE CITY COMMISSIONERS AS A BOARD.
CAN WE CAN WE AGREE TO ADD THIS TO THE AGENDA AND SEE IF WE CAN ROLL IT OVER AND THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING, WE DO FEEL MOVED TO ACT ON.
IS THAT RIGHT TO ADD IT A BUSINESS ITEM FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED, IT'S BEEN ABOUT A YEAR NOW SINCE WE'VE HAD OUR LAST WORKSHOP THAT WAS LIKE EDUCATIONAL WORKSHOP THAT WE PUT ON.
BUT I KNOW IT WAS MENTIONED TO DEVELOP MORE OF A PROCEDURES AND HOW YOU GUYS WANTED TO TAKE ON CERTAIN THINGS, AND THAT MIGHT NOT BE SOMETHING BAD TO LOOK AT TOO.
I COULD SEND YOU GUYS, BUT IT'S IN A ROUGH STAGE, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T REPLY ALL AND E MAILING, AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN MAYBE DISCUSS IT FURTHER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ON THE SAME PAGE AS WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, BUT MAYBE BOTH POINTS THAT.
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>> SURE. THAT'S BOARD BUSINESS, ITEM.
>> MAYBE UNDER BOARD BUSINESS AT THE NEXT MEETING, YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION ON ANY SUGGESTIONS TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ITSELF, SPECIFIC PROVISIONS THAT YOU'VE OBSERVED THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC AND ALSO A DISCUSSION ON CODE ENFORCEMENT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
>> NO ON THE RECORD. NO, AFTER. ABSOLUTELY ON THE RECORD.
>> YOU GUYS CAN DISCUSS STUFF THROUGH ME, IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN.
>> YES. THEY CAN TALK WITH YOU, BUT THEY CAN'T SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, TOLL YOU AND SAY, HEY, HOW DID THE OTHER MEMBERS REACT IF I HAD SUGGESTED THIS, YOU CAN'T GET ANY SENSE OR DISCUSS THAT, BUT THEY CAN DISCUSS ANY OF THE IDEAS OR THE AGENDA ITEMS OR THINGS WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY. JUST NOT AS A GROUP.
MY DECIDE WE DON'T, BUT IT WOULD BE WORTH SOL IT OVER TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY FEEDBACK YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO.
THE CITY COMMISSIONERS OF YOU GENTLEMEN WITH MORE CLEAR CONSTRUCTION EXPERIENCE, THE REST OF US HERE.
>> ALSO, JUST SO ALL ARE TOTALLY AWARE.
ALL KNOW JUST AS MUCH AS WE KNOW AS FAR AS THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE GOES.
THERE'S NO NEWS THERE THAT I CAN SHARE WITH YOU GUYS RIGHT NOW.
>> PERFECT. OBJECTION. ANYTHING ELSE? FOR ME.
>> SECOND.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.