>> WHEN COMMISSIONER AYSCUE SAID,
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I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THAT.I RECALL FROM THE PAPERS AND THINGS WHEN HE WAS DEVELOPING HIS BUSINESS,
[*This meeting was joined in progress* 3.1 COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT - The Planning Advisory Board, at their March 12, 2025, Regular Meeting, directed staff to set up a Workshop and elected to discuss this matter, being one of their discussion items from their priority list.]
THERE WERE SOME ISSUES THAT CAME UP WITH WHAT HE WAS DOING.I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TO LOOK AT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HAVE SOMETHING.
>> BECAUSE AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS FUNCTIONING WELL AND GOOD.
>> COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS REDEVELOPMENT.
>> THE CONCERN AND I AGREE WITH YOU, DAPHNE.
THE CONCERN IS THERE'S A REAL BALANCE BETWEEN ANY COMMUNITY NEEDS A BALANCE BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AND BUSINESSES AND THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
NOW WITH LIVE LOCAL, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND TURN IT INTO RESIDENTIAL.
MUCH TO OUR SURPRISE SOMETIMES.
LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES TO TURN INTO COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, MIGHT JUST BACKFIRE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THAT IT COULD THEN BECOME MORE RESIDENTIAL.
JUST THE CAUTIONARY TALE THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF.
>> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT REZONING THOUGH, JUST TO BE VERY SPECIFIC.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHANGING EXISTING RESIDENTIAL LAND OR MIXED USE INTO SOLE COMMERCIAL.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT INCENTIVIZING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE, NOT CHANGING ZONING. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.
>> CURRENTLY ZONE COMMERCIAL. I'M AWARE OF THAT.
CAN YOU PUT UP THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S DATABASE SHOWING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN FERNANDINA BEACH, COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY?
>> JUST SO YOU ALL SEE [OVERLAPPING] WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
>> YESTERDAY, WHEN I PASSED AN UGLY BUILDING ACROSS FROM THE POST OFFICE, CRYSTAL HAMPERS.
HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN VACANT? IT'S HORRIBLE.
THERE'S STILL A BIG FOR LEASE SIGNING ON IT. I LIVED OVER THERE.
PLUS LOTS FURNITURE, AND I SEE IT'S ALL MENTIONED THERE.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO START OR ALL THE VACANT BUILDINGS WE HAVE.
>> BUT YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO SPOT THINGS, JUST THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
IN OTHER WORDS, FIRST OF ALL, WE DON'T KNOW WHY THAT BUILDING IS UNDER UTILIZED OR WHAT THAT SHOPPING CENTER IS HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE OWNERS.
>> TO FIND OUT, WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO BECAUSE IT'S BEEN EMPTY?
>> WELL, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND COMMERCIAL INVESTORS, THEY MAKE MONEY BY LEASING PROPERTY.
THAT'S WHAT THEY LOOK FOR. THEY WANT TO PROFIT OUT OF THAT.
IF THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH IT, THEY'RE EITHER LAND BACKING IT, WHICH A LOT OF THEM ARE DOING.
THEY DON'T WANT TO DEVELOP IT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
THEY'LL BUY IT NOW KNOWING THE COUNTY IS GOING TO DOUBLE IN POPULATION.
NICK PROBABLY SEES MORE OF THIS THAN I DO ANYMORE, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ARE KEEPING IT THE WAY THEY ARE.
>> WELL, I DON'T NEED TO CALL WHY?
>> WELL, I WOULD CALL THE OWNER.
>> WELL, I'VE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL OWNERS.
>> THE REALITY IS, THEY WANT TO LEASE THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE NOT LAND BANKING IT.
LAST THING THEY WANT TO DO IS HAVE VACANT LAND AND SIT THERE AND PAY TAXES AND NOT HAVE AN INCOME STRAIGHT.
ALL THESE GUYS, ESPECIALLY A LOT OF THE BIGGER GUYS, THEY ACCUMULATE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.
THEY LEASE IT UP AS FAST AS THEY CAN, SO THEY CAN SELL ALL OF IT.
THE HIGHER THE OCCUPANCY RIGHT, THE BETTER IT IS FOR THEM.
THAT'S WHY I PUT TOGETHER MY ITEMS BECAUSE I THINK THOSE ARE NOT FROM ANY ONE SPECIFIC OWNER, BUT THEY THAT'S WHAT WOULD ALLOW THEM OR INCENTIVIZE THEM TO REDEVELOP.
>> THEY WANT TO DO IS HAVE A SHOPPING CENTER.
>> BUT WHEN YOU SAY REDEVELOPMENT, THAT ENCOMPASSES MANY THINGS.
ARE YOU ONLY TALKING ABOUT ADDING SIZE TO IT OR DOING SOMETHING ELSE, WHATEVER THAT IS.
I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH INCENTIVIZING ANY DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THAT'S BACKFIRED IN THE PAST IN A NUMBER OF AREAS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WHEN YOU TALK TO, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
WHY ARE THEY LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS? THEY TELL YOU? BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING? [OVERLAPPING] NOBODY WANTS IT?
>> BECAUSE TIMES CHANGE THE OLD '70S MODEL COMMERCIAL IS GONE.
THE MUNICIPALITIES DON'T ALLOW YOU TO FILL UP YOUR LOT OF PARKING, NOR SHOULD THEY.
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A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT REAR LOADED PARKING, THEY WANT BUILDINGS UP ON THE FRONT, BUT WHEN YOU ASK SOMEONE TO REDEVELOP AND THEY ONLY COME BACK WITH 60% OF THEIR LAND THAT THEY CAN USE IMPERVIOUS WISE, AND THEY'VE GOT 90 TODAY, WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD THEY REDEVELOP? IN MY MIND, WE INCENTIVIZE THEM BY SAYING, PLEASE BUILD SOMETHING NICER.YOU CAN HAVE MORE IMPERVIOUS AREA.
WE'LL INCENTIVIZE YOU TO COMBINE LOTS OF SPECIAL ON EIGHTH STREET OR 14TH, WHERE WE HAVE SMALLER LOTS LET THEM COMBINE LOTS AND BE ABLE TO FILL UP MORE OF THEIR LAND, AND THEN MAYBE WE'LL SEE SOMETHING.
I THINK THE EIGHTH STREET OVERLAY WAS A GREAT STARTING POINT.
I THINK IT WORKED OUT GREAT, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO CHANGE, BUT IT WORKED.
IT ALLOWED RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE THE OTHER PART OF IT IS WHEN YOU ALLOW RESIDENTIAL, YOU CAN UNDERWRITE IT FINANCIALLY THROUGH MANY DIFFERENT BANKS.
THERE'S COMMERCIAL LENDERS, THERE'S RESIDENTIAL LENDERS, AND THERE'S BOTH, BUT THE REALITY IS IF YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO IT, IT'S A LOT MORE BANKABLE THAN JUST A COMMERCIAL.
IF YOU HAVE TWO, THAT'S EVEN BETTER.
THAT'S WHY I THREW OUT THE IDEAS THAT I DID.
>> BUT THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THERE ARE SO MANY PLACES THAT ARE EYE SORES BECAUSE NOBODY'S TAKEN CARE OF THEM.
THE OWNERS AREN'T TAKING CARE.
>> THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE. THAT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
RIGHT NOW, THAT'S WHAT THEY GET PAID TO DO.
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY RULES IN THE CITY.
>> WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE THOSE RULES, SO.
>> THAT'S WHERE I THINK NICK, WHERE IN YOUR COMMENTS, THAT YOU SAID THAT IF THERE WAS AN OVERLAY THAT ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS COULD BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WE ON THE PAB CAN'T ASK FOR WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
THAT'S INTERPRETIVE AND IT'S NOT PART OF OUR CODE.
THAT'S PART OF THAT PUT CONCEPT.
WHERE WE WOULD ASK FOR ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS OF WHAT IS PROPOSED.
>> THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT I MEAN.
WHAT I MEAN IS CLEAN AND PAINTED.
>> IT MEANS THAT IT DOESN'T [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S CODE ENFORCEMENT, YOU CAN.
>> IT MAKES THAT WHOLE BLOCK, INCLUDING WHERE THE PEOPLE LIVE TERRIBLE.
>> THERE'S NO CONTROL. YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING WHERE THERE'S NO CONTROL.
>> I KNOW, BUT THERE COULD BE.
WHEN YOU LEASE THE SPACE, AND SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BUILD A BUILDING, THE CAVEAT IS IF YOUR TENANTS MOVE OUT OR IF YOU MOVE OUT, THIS IS WHAT NEEDS IT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED.
THAT PROPERTY THERE'S REEDS ALL AROUND. IT'S NOT MAINTAINED.
>> I GUESS WE HAVE TO SOLVE FOR X. OR IS THAT X ONE?
>> I GUESS FOR ONE, WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO PUT THIS ON HERE.
I ASSUMED WE HAD A REASON FOR DOING THAT.
>> NOW I'M GRASPING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT FROM JUST THE LIMITED TIME THAT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED, I DO THINK THAT SOME OF THE BARRIERS TO THE REDEVELOPMENT, LIKE NICK HAD MENTIONED MAKING SURE THAT THE ORDINANCE IS CURRENT.
MAYBE THERE ARE SOME USES THIS TRENDS CHANGE.
MAYBE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT IN THE USE TABLE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERING ALL THE USES THAT MAYBE ARE NOW MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE STRIP CENTERS THAN WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE FUTURE.
ALSO STREAMLINING, IS THERE ANY STREAMLINING YOU CAN DO IN THE ORDINANCE THAT INCENTIVIZE SOMEONE TO MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
IT'S A EASIER PROCESS, NOT NECESSARILY LESS STANDARDS, BUT A EASIER PROCESS.
WHATEVER PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT MEETINGS.
I BELIEVE ONE OF THE THINGS COULD BE COMMUNITY PUSHBACK.
HOW CAN WE TRY TO GET IN FRONT OF THAT OR THEY'RE NOT UP AGAINST COMMUNITY PUSHBACK.
ALSO TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH I THINK ON MOST OF THESE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY THERE.
THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS, IN ADDITION TO MAYBE HAVING MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE STANDARDS, NOT LESSER STANDARDS.
WOULD NEVER ADVOCATE FOR A LESSER STANDARD, THE FLEXIBILITY STANDARD.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE COMMON THAT ARE BARRIERS FOR PROPERTY NOT TO REDEVELOP.
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IT'S TOO COMPLICATED.THERE'S TOO MUCH COMMUNITY OBJECTION.
THE REGULATORY PART OF IT IS JUST VERY DIFFICULT.
THE ORDINANCES ARE NOT CURRENT FOR TODAY'S TREND.
UNFORTUNATELY, RESIDENTIAL IS A COMPONENT OF THAT BICYCLING DIFFERENT THINGS THAT PEOPLE LIKE TO HEY THEY DIDN'T USE IN THE PAST.
THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY I THINK YOU'RE SEEING SOME OLDER BUILDINGS BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A COST IN FOR REDEVELOPING THAT MAYBE THOSE ARE SOME OF THE REASONS WHY YOU HAVE SEE IT, WHICH OTHER CITIES HAVE INDICATED. I JUST WANTED [OVERLAPPING]
>> CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT UP THERE? ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN I JUST WANT TO SINCE WE'RE TALKING COMMERCIAL, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT THAT MEANS.
IT'S NOT ONLY THE RED, BUT ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S ALSO YOU GOT TO REMEMBER, NOT EVERY PIECE OF COMMERCIALS IN THE CITY.
LIKE RIGHT THERE, I THOUGHT IT WAS A SETTLER IN 8TH STREET.
THAT CORNER THERE IS NOT IN THE CITY.
IF YOU SEE THE PINK AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT'S ALL COMMERCIAL TOO.
WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL IN THE CITY.
IT'S NOT ALL C3 OR C2 OR C1, AND THOSE ARE THE DIFFERENT COLORS.
WHEN YOU TALK COMMERCIAL, WHAT YOU'RE POTENTIALLY GETTING INTO AND THOSE AREAS IN THE CITY WHERE THOSE IMPACTS COULD HAPPEN.
IF WE COULD PULL UP THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UNDER THE POLICY 104-01 AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I THINK THAT COULD BE A REALLY GOOD STARTING POINT TO GUIDE THE CONVERSATION.
THIS IS TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY REDEVELOPMENT AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT, ALREADY EXISTING IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHAT THE CITY SHOULD DO TO ENCOURAGE THOSE THINGS.
>> WHILE YOU'RE BRINGING THAT UP, LET ME MENTION SOMETHING ELSE HERE.
WE HAVE A THING CALLED VISION 2045.
IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME, I'LL JUST READ IT.
IT'S ONE PARAGRAPH, AND IT ANSWERS, CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH WILL IMPLEMENT CHANGES AND UPDATES TO THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, ESTABLISH KEY PARTNERSHIPS, ETC, SUPPORT CAPITAL INVESTMENT WILL ACCOMPLISH THE CITY'S VISION STATEMENT.
RIGHT THERE, WE SAID, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT, DO WE NEED TO REVISE OUR TWO KEY DOCUMENTS? LDC AND COMP PLAN?
>> DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT THAT.
>> YES. I JUST BRING UP. IT'S ALREADY IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS IS SHOWING YOU HOW THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
THESE ARE ALL THE WAYS THAT ARE LISTED EXISTING RIGHT NOW.
JUST SOMETHING TO MAYBE GENERATE SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE TO TAKE THIS.
>> THAT'S PERFECT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE.
>> CRITICS LIKE ONE, WE HAD A QUESTION THE OTHER DAY CAME UP ABOUT A COFFEE.
I PERSONALLY WANTED TO DO A COFFEE SHOP BUT THEY WANTED TO A ROAST.
THAT'S MANUFACTURED WAREHOUSE.
JUST A LITTLE COFFEE SHOP THIS ROASTING BEANS.
WHY COULD THAT NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR A SHOP CENTER ONE SIDE OF THE COFFEE SHOP AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE A SMALL COFFEE BUSINESS.
THAT'S ONE RIGHT NOW THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IN THE REGULAR C DISTRICT.
THEN THE EXPEDITED REVIEW WHICH YOU SEE UP THERE, THAT'S SIMPLIFYING IT.
THAT'S TO FIGURE OUT WAYS THAT CAN THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER TOO, THAT HELPS INCENTIVIZE THAT THEY GOT A EASIER PROCESS.
>> WHY WOULD THE FUNCTION OF THE ROASTER NOT ALLOWED TO BE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER?
>> BECAUSE THEY'RE WAREHOUSING IT OUT.
>> WHAT'S THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PLACE?
>> PROBABLY SOMETHING YOU ADMIT THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED MANUFACTURING WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED UNDER THE COMMERCIAL USES.
>> BUT I MENTIONED THAT IS THAT THAT IS VERY TRENDY NOW TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT SMALL LITTLE BUSINESSES LIKE THAT.
>> WELL, THAT'S PROBABLY THE CODE BECAUSE IT HAS SPECIFIC USES AND DOESN'T CONSIDER NEW INVENTIVE USE
>> THE CODE WAS WRITTEN SO MANY YEARS AGO TOO, THAT HAS TO BE UPDATED.
>> WE'VE BEEN UPDATING IT. [LAUGHTER]
>> IT DOES TALK ABOUT BLOODED BUILDINGS.
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>> THE COFFEE SITUATION, WE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING PIECES OF THE CODE, AND THAT'S ALL.
NICK'S LIST OF THINGS HERE STRIKE ME AS THINGS THAT OUGHT TO BE STRONGLY CONSIDERED IF WE WANT THESE BUILDINGS TO LOOK DIFFERENT AND PROPERLY REFLECT THE CHARACTERS EMPTY STRAIGHT MALLS TO DO THAT.
THE CONVERSATION THUS FAR HASN'T HELPED ME FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR NEXT STEP IS.
>> NICK, DOES PARKING WHERE DOES THAT ENTER INTO THIS CONVERSATION THAT YOU STARTED ABOUT THE IMPERVIOUS AREAS, IS THAT PART AND PARCEL TO THAT?
>> IT IS. I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TOYING AROUND WITH PARKING AND REDUCING IT.
BUT A LOT OF THESE BIG STRIP MALLS, THE TENANTS HAVE MINIMUM PARKING THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE IN ORDER TO COME THERE.
I KNOW THE SADDLER PLAZAS HAD ISSUES WITH THAT, TOO, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE QUITE ENOUGH PARKING TO GET THE BIG.
YOU THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING THERE, BUT IT DOESN'T MEET THE MULTIPLE TENANTS WHO WANT SO MANY SPOTS RESERVED FOR THE? NO, NO. THE ONE DOWN THERE.
BUT CHAIR'S POINT. I MEAN, DAPHNE NAILED IT ON ALL THOSE LITTLE IDEAS IN THE COMP PLAN.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A BLUEPRINT IN FRONT OF US TO WHERE ONCE AGAIN, THE PUD IS THE OVERLAY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR THEM.
THEY CAN SOLVE THEIR OWN PROBLEM.
WE JUST HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE WAY AND GIVE THEM OPTIONS IN WHICH TO DO IT.
IF THEY WANT TO COME IN AND REDEVELOP, LET'S SAY THEY WANT TO INSTEAD OF GOING TO LIVE LOCAL, WE GIVE THEM THE OPTION TO DO TRUE MIXED USE IF THEY KEEP THEIR COMMERCIAL.
IF THEY KEEP THE SAME COMMERCIAL THEY HAD, AND WE ALLOW THEM TO ADD RESIDENTIAL AND REDESIGN EVERYTHING AND REBUILD IT ACCORDING TO THESE STANDARDS AND GIVE THEM A HIGHER IMPERVIOUS AREA, BUT WE GET TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, THEN THEY CREATE THE PRODUCT, AND THEN WE LOOK AT IT.
INSTEAD OF US CRAMMING A BUNCH OF RULES THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY REALLY MEAN, BECAUSE WE DON'T DO THAT.
THAT'S MY MINDSET ON IT IS ALL THE THINGS THAT DAPHNE POINTED OUT, THE DENSITY BONUSES, THE OVERLAYS, GIVING EXPEDITED REVIEWS.
EVERY ONE OF THOSE IS A CHECKLIST THAT WE CAN EASILY DO.
>> I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE IMPERMEABLE SURFACE.
BECAUSE, IT'S A BIG WORD AND IT'S GOT A LOT OF THINGS, AND WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL.
YOU HAD A COUPLE MORE PARKING SPACES OR WHATEVER.
BUT THERE ARE REASONS FOR THOSE NUMBERS BEING PUT THERE.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THE PAST DETERMINING THOSE RATIOS AND THINGS.
IMPERVIABLE SURFACE, YOU GOT TO REMEMBER, HAS TO DO WITH RUNOFF, HAS TO DO WITH WATER QUALITY, HAS TO DO WITH GROUNDWATER RECHARGE, HAS TO DO WITH FLOOD PROTECTION, HAS TO DO WITH SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT, MINIMIZING IMPERVIOUS SURFACES CAN CREATE ISSUES, ON AND ON.
I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE LIST, BUT JUST SAYING, WELL, IT'S AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, WE'LL CHANGE THAT BY 10%.
IN SOME OF THESE AREAS, YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE FLOODING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OFFSITE DISCHARGE IS LIKE, OR EVEN WHAT'S ON SITE, CAN THEY HOLD ANY ADDITIONAL SURFACE WATER? IT'S NOT JUST HANGING AND ADDING 10 MORE PARKING SPACES, THERE'S A LOT INTO THAT, AND WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS DISCUSSIONS ALREADY ABOUT WATER QUALITY, FLOODING, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
THOSE THINGS YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER AS TO WHY THEY'RE IN PLACE NOW AND THE IMPLICATIONS OF MAKING ANY OF THOSE CHANGES.
ARE WE GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE? I THINK IN A LOT OF CASES WE WILL POTENTIALLY.
BUT LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION WITH.
>> I WANT TO FOLLOW UP BEFORE YOU CHANGE YOUR THOUGHT.
I'M NOT SAYING INCREASE IT FOR EVERYBODY, I'M SAYING IF A SHOPPING CENTER COMES IN THAT'S 90% IMPERVIOUS.
THEY DON'T GET TO ADD MORE IMPERVIOUS, BUT THEY MAY GET TO RETAIN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE ABOVE WHAT THE CURRENT RULES ARE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADD MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE.
THE FACT IS WE'LL MAKE IT BETTER.
I DON'T SEE WHERE WE ARE INCREASING ANY MORE RUNOFF OR ANY FLOOD PLAIN?
>> HOW WOULD YOU CHANGE THAT OUT BECAUSE I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T CHANGE AFTER GOING TO ALL C THREE COULD NOW BE.
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>> NO. WE DO A REDEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
WE DO AN OVERLAY ON IT. WE CAN WRITE OUR OWN CODE.
>> WELL, CAN YOU OWN OVERLAY A PROPERTY?
>> NO. I MEAN, I THOUGHT IS YOU COME IN AND YOU SAY, IF YOU'RE IN THIS COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, WE'LL HAVE TO IDENTIFY PROPERTY, BUT YOU'RE ALL THE WAY DOWN EIGHTH, YOU'RE ALL THE WAY DOWN 14TH OR ALL THE WAY DOWN SADDLER.
IF YOU EXCEED 60% IMPERVIOUS, YOU GET WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY OR MAYBE 95% OR WHATEVER WHATEVER WE AGREE ON.
THEN IT'S UP TO THEM TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY COME IN AND REDEVELOP IT.
>> IN THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY SAYS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A LAND BUILDING RATIO OF 50%.
DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE PARKING LOT?
>> IT DOESN'T. THE BUILDING ITSELF, HOW DO THEY HANDLE THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE? THEY HAVE PARKING.
>> THEY HAVE IT AND THERE'S A 67% IN THE COMPLEX.
>> SIXTY-SEVEN. AND AND WHERE AT? WHAT? THEY HAVE A PROP 7% MORE.
IF YOU TAKE WHAT'S THE ONE IN SADDLE WHERE MISS CAROL SAYS.
THERE, YOU GOT PROBABLY 90% RIGHT NOW.
YOU EITHER TEAR DOWN, RECONSTRUCT, DO ACCOMMODATION, AND YOU MAKE CHANGES.
WELL, IF THEY MAKE THE CHANGES, NOW THEY GOT TO MEET THE NEW REQUIREMENT.
NOW THAT 90% HAS GOT TO GO TO 60.
I GOT TO TAKE OUT 30% OF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT EXISTS TODAY.
THE COMPROMISE IS, MAYBE I CAN GO FROM 90-80.
IF I DO THE RIGHT LAYOUT, MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE PUBLIC IS DOING, WHERE THEY'RE DOING SOME THINGS THAT ARE NEW AND NOVEL.
WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY MORE STRAIN ON THE LET ME CALL IT THE SYSTEM, INCLUDING MOTHER NATURE AND WE MIGHT BE MAKING IT BETTER, BUT WHAT IT DOES IS THAT IT GIVES THE DEVELOPER SOME OPTIONS IF THEY KNOW THAT OKAY, IT CAN'T BE 90%, BUT IT CAN BE 80% OR WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BUT LET ME JUST ASK A GENERAL QUESTION BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE I KNOW.
COULD YOU LOOK AT REDEVELOPMENT AND DO A BUNCH OF OVERLAYS.
COULD YOU DO LIKE DOWNTOWN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL? THAT'S ONE.
DO WATERFRONT, THIS IS AN OVERLAY FOR THAT ONE.
SUBURBAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO ADDRESS, BUT I'M TALKING BASICALLY RESIDENTIAL THERE.
THEN THE QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE TO EVEN ADDRESS OLD TOWN OR IS THAT UNDER ENOUGH CONTROLS OR YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO BOTHER WITH IT? THAT MIGHT BE THE THING IS TO LOOK AT AND THIS WOULD HAVE TO PROBABLY OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ZONING AND SO FORTH GOING ALONG WITH IT, BUT THE IDEA IS, DON'T HAVE A ONE FITS ALL TYPE OF THING.
WE HAVE AN OVERLAY NOW FOR PUTS.
WE HAVE AN OVERLAY FOR TRYING TO THINK OF.
WE'VE GOT TWO OR THREE OVERLAYS THAT ARE IN IN THE LAND OF ELEPHANT CODE.
>> BUT IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH EIGHTH STREET? I MEAN, WE'RE SORT OF USED TO THAT EIGHTH STREET COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT 20 YEARS AGO TO SAY, IT WAS BECOMING BLIGHTED.
IT WAS HAVING DIFFICULTIES, AND SO THAT BECAME A FOCUS TO IMPROVE IT.
IF WE TAKE THAT JUST THAT SPOT, HOW WOULD WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AS AN OVERLAY, THE EIGHTH STREET COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? I MEAN, IF YOU IF WE LOOKED AT THE IMPERVIOUS AREA, IF WE LOOKED AT THE OVERLAY FOR BECAUSE YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THAT.
PROVIDE THE EIGHTH STREET DENSITY.
PULL THE BUILDINGS BACK UP TO THE ROAD, PARK IN THE REAR.
THE ONLY WAY WHERE IT IS TO BE A LARGER SCALE AND GROUND FLOOR, COMMERCIAL WITH MEANINGFUL RESIDENTIAL ABOVE IT.
YOU SEE A LOT OF THAT IN JACKSONVILLE, LIKE RIVERSIDE AREA WHERE THAT FIRST FLOOR IS COMMERCIAL AND THEN THE NEXT TWO FLOORS.
I ASSUME THAT THAT'S GOT TO BE THE 45 FOOT HEIGHT AREA.
IF WE THINK ABOUT RATHER THAN I'M TRYING TO NARROW IT DOWN TO VISUALIZE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE JUST FOCUS FOR A FEW MINUTES ON THAT EIGHTH STREET AREA,
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WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE?>> SEE, I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD REALLY APPLY TO EIGHTHS.
I THINK IT WOULD APPLY TO THE SHOPPING CENTERS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A BIG ENOUGH PARCEL TO MAKE THE PROJECT VIABLE.
YOU CAN'T DO 100 BY 100 LOT AND HAVE SOMEBODY STACK ALL THE STUFF ON THERE BECAUSE THE SCALE THERE.
>> WELL, THEN TAKE IT DOESN'T MATTER.
WHICHEVER SHOPPING CENTER YOU WANT.
HELP ME VISUALIZE WHAT WE THINK COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE ON THAT SEE.
>> I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I THOUGHT.
I MEAN, DAD WAS HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE EIGHTH STREET STUFF TOO, SO SHE CERTAINLY AND I THINK A LOT OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WERE, TOO, BUT WAY I WAS SAYING YOU THIS, YOU HAVE THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE OF COMMERCIAL THAT YOU HAVE TODAY.
YOU CAN HAVE YOUR BIG BOX, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR FOOD LINE OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE OR TRADER JOE'S OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
YOU PULL IT UP ON THE STREET AND PEOPLE CAN WALK IN THE FRONT DOOR RIGHT OFF SIDE OF THE ROAD AND YOUR PARKINGS IN THE BACK AND THEN YOU HAVE STACK FLATS ON TOP OF THAT.
SO MAYBE ELEVATION 25-35, 35-45 OR TWO STACK FLATS OF UNITS SO THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT CAN GET 17, 18 UNITS AN ACRE ACROSS THAT AND GET ALL THE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL THAT THEY HAVE TODAY.
SHARE PARKING. THEN MAYBE THEY KICK BACK FIVE OR 10% IN PERVIOUS AREA, AND NOW YOU'VE GOT A CORRIDOR THAT LOOKS GOOD.
YOU DON'T HAVE A PARKING LOT THAT YOU LOOK AT EVERY DAY, AND YOU HAVE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ALONG THE STREET.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I HAD BUT I THINK IT ONLY WORKS ON A BIG SCALE.
>> WE'VE ALWAYS HAD SOME PUSHBACK ANYTIME YOU WANT TO INCREASE DENSITY OR INCREASE INTENSITY.
>> I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET PUSHBACK?
>> I THINK OUR JOB WAS TO DO COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT, AND THAT WAS MY SO THAT WAS WHAT.
>> I'M SUGGESTING ANY OF THE COMMISSION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD BE ON BOARD FOR THAT.
>> THE PURPOSES OF COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENTS ALREADY IN THE COMP PLAN TO INCENTIVIZE BOTH OF THOSE THINGS.
WE POINT TO THE COMP PLAN, WHICH IS.
>> I UNDERSTAND IT'S THERE, BUT ONCE YOU HAVE AN IDEA YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE SO MANY HOMES OR SO MANY CARS OR WHATEVER, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME OUT, AND THAT'S STILL A POLITICAL DECISION.
I DON'T KNOW IF POLITICALLY THE CURRENT COMMISSION WOULD BE WANT TO SEE HIGHER DENSITY OR HIGHER INTENSITY.
>> SORRY I'M TO TIME REAL QUICK.
MY NAME IS ME SADDLER. I WORK IN THE PLANNING OFFICE.
I'VE SEEN YOU GUYS A COUPLE OF TIMES.
I'M NEW HERE, BUT JUST WHAT I'M OBSERVING AND I LIKE WHERE THIS CONVERSATION IS GOING, TALKING ABOUT MOVING THE STOREFRONTS TO THE FRONT AND MAYBE HAVING SOME RESIDENTIAL ON TOP BECAUSE OUR OTHER COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS LIKE DOWNTOWN, PEOPLE DRIVE OVER HERE TO USE THESE AMENITIES AND GO SHOPPING IN THESE STORES.
I DON'T REALLY SEE SADLER ROAD OR EIGHTH STREET BEING A DESTINATION THAT PEOPLE ARE DRIVING TO INTENTIONALLY.
I THINK INCREASING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD PROMOTE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA TO USE THOSE STORES, BECAUSE I ALSO AM NOT AN EXPERT ON COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT I'M ASSUMING THESE PLACES CAN'T HOLD THEIR BUSINESSES THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MAKING ENOUGH MONEY.
IF THERE'S PEOPLE WHO LIVE BY THERE AND ARE FREQUENTING, THOSE TRADER JOE'S OR THOSE LITTLE SMALL MOM AND POP SHOPS, THAT WILL SUSTAIN THAT BUSINESS.
WAS RIGHT NOW THOSE AREAS ARE SUPER CAR DEPENDENT AND THAT ALSO FEEDS INTO WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE SO MUCH PARKING FOR THESE BUSINESSES.
>> TO VICTORIA'S POINT, WE'VE SKIRTED THAT EIGHTH STREET CARTER FOR A LONG TIME.
I I THINK WE'VE GOT TO TACKLE THAT SOONER OR LATER BECAUSE THAT IS A BLIGHT.
I'LL TELL YOU, I MEAN, I FOCUSED ON WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT TO THE SHOPPING CENTERS.
PRIMARILY, I MEAN, EIGHTH STREET IS IT'S NOT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
IT'S THE ELEPHANT IN THE CITY, BUT WE'VE BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE'S SPIRITS ARE BROKEN ON IT.
I RE READ THE 2015 ARTICLE THAT HE WROTE WITH JOE ABOUT WHAT TO DO ON THERE.
TO ME, THE SHOPPING CENTERS GIVE US PERHAPS AN OPPORTUNITY AT SOME INCREMENTAL WINS.
WE CAN WIN, MAYBE HERE, AND THEN MAYBE WIN HERE, AND THEN JUST TAKE OFF TO DO SOMETHING NOTICEABLE, GOOD, PRODUCTIVE, INCREMENTALLY, AND THEN I THINK EVERYBODY WANTS TO TACKLE EIGHTH STREET.
BUT WE'VE TRIED AND FAILED A COUPLE OF TIMES, I'D LIKE TO SEE US HIT A VISIBLE, BEAUTIFUL, PRODUCTIVE WIND.
>> THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS IT'S THE CORRIDOR TO OUR TOWN?
>> I UNDERSTAND. I'M WITH YOU 100%.
>> BUT I WOULD ALSO ASK, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SADDLER SQUARE PROPERTY, THE SHOPPING CENTER THERE, WHERE AGAIN, IT WAS BUILT IN THE 878.
THE PLAN BACK THEN WAS YOU SET THE BUILDINGS BACK AND THE PARKING WAS IN FRONT.
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HOW DO OTHER THAN JUST PULL POSING IT AND STARTING OVER, IS THAT FEASIBLE?>> BUT THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT. I GO TO TEAR DOWN 30,000 SQUARE FOOT PUBLICS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
BUILD 11000 SQUARE FOOT BIGGER.
>> CAN I POINT TO THE COM PLAN AGAIN? I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY TIRED OF HEARING ME TALK ABOUT THE COM PLAN, BUT IT'S SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT GUIDES AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR, SO 10404, CAN WE GO TO 10404.
THIS IS TALKING ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS ESTABLISHING OVERLAY DISTRICTS CALLED DESTINATION ACTIVITY CENTERS, AND IT ACTUALLY POINTS OUT AREAS WHICH ARE THE DESTINATION ACTIVITY CENTERS AND ONE OF THOSE IS ON SADLER ROAD.
TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, AND THEN IT GOES INTO MORE DETAIL AS YOU GO ON ABOUT PULLING THE PRIMARY INTERESTS TO THE FRONT, PARKING TO THE BACK, THOSE THINGS.
WE ALREADY HAVE TO STEP IN HERE.
LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN IMPLEMENT WHAT'S EXISTING IN OUR COM PLAN INTO SOMETHING THAT IS PRODUCTIVE.
>> OTHER THAN IT DOESN'T SAY A COMMERCIAL PUD, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> THAT'S EXACTLY. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW.
I HAD, DAFFY WAS WAY AHEAD OF ME ON THAT.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS ALREADY CODIFIED IN OUR COMP PLAN MAKES IT EASY.
>> WHY AREN'T COMMERCIAL GUYS USING THIS?
>> WELL, BECAUSE THE UNDERLYING ZONING IS NOT THERE TO ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT.
IT'S UP TO US TO CREATE THESE DISTRICTS FOR THEM TO DO IT.
>> THE CITY IS WHO IS ESTABLISHING THOSE OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IF WE ESTABLISHED THE SADLER ROAD CORRIDOR OVERLAY, IS THAT TOO BROAD A DESCRIPTION?
>> NO. I THINK IT'S COVERED IN THE COMP PLAN.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO START.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT HAVING A WIN WOULD BE GOOD.
MAYBE GOING THROUGH THE SADLER ROAD EXERCISE, WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CURRENT EXPERIENCE WITH THINGS THAT WE CAN APPLY TO THE 8TH STREET CORRIDOR, WHICH WE KNOW IS A REAL SOPHISTICATED CHALLENGE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE LOOK AT SOME OF THAT PROPERTY THAT STILL COUNT.
>> SHOPPING CENTER IS IN THE CITY ACCORDING TO KELLY GIBSON.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THE SADLER ROAD IS, YEAH, WITH MISS CAROLYN'S, IT'S IN THE CITY.
>> THERE ARE OTHER ELEMENTS PIECES OF PROPERTY ON SADLER ROAD.
>> [OVERLAPPING] YES. THERE ARE.
>> IF YOU DO A CORRIDOR, WELL, IT STILL ISN'T GOING TO FIT EVERYTHING BECAUSE SOME OF IT IS COUNTY AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A QUESTION, DO YOU WANT TO ACQUIRE THAT AS BRINGING IT IN THROUGH A NORMAL?
>> YOU'RE SUGGESTING WHAT WE DID FOR THE EIGHTH STREET, WHERE WE CHANGED THE ZONING LAND, WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS [OVERLAPPING] AND THEN AN OVERLAY.
>> BUT IF YOU CHANGE THE ZONING, THEN WHATEVER'S THERE IS NON COMPLIANT.
>> IT WOULD JUST BE AN OVERLAY.
IT WOULDN'T BE CHANGING THE ZONING.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I WAS JUST SAYING WE DID THAT ON 8TH STREET.
>> WE CAME UP WITH MU-1, WHICH INCORPORATED ALL OF THESE THAT WERE CURRENTLY THERE.
>> DO YOU KNOW, IS ANY PART OF SADLER ROAD A CITY ROAD OR IS IT ALL COUNTY OR A STATE?
>> [OVERLAPPING] I THINK IT'S ALL COUNTY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] JAMES STREET IS TOO.
>> RIGHT, SO WE CAN DO WHATEVER.
TO PETER'S POINT, IT MAY INCETIVIZE PEOPLE TO ANNEX.
IF THEY CAN COMBINE PROPERTIES AND BE PART OF THIS OVERLAY INSTEAD OF MESSING WITH COUNTY AND GET NOTHING.
>> IS THE OVERLAY THE SHOPPING CENTER? THAT'S THE OVERLAY? NOTHING ADJACENT TO IT?
>> WELL, IT WOULD BE THE SADLER ROAD CORRIDOR OVERLAY AS OUTLINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
[OVERLAPPING] WE'LL JUST COVER ONE SPOT.
>> WOULD YOU GO AWAY FROM BEACH FRONT?
>> IT DOESN'T SPECIFY EXACTLY. THAT'S UP TO US.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE CAN DEFINE.
>> COULD THAT BE THE WHOLE STRETCH ALL THE WAY FROM 8TH STREET UP TO THE BEACH?
>> [OVERLAPPING] I'M SORRY. I WAS JUST ASKING WHAT IS MU-8? WHY EIGHT?
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE INCREASED THE DENSITY IN THAT AREA.
>> EIGHT REFLECTS THE DENSITY?
>> [OVERLAPPING] NO. IN THAT MU-8 AREA.
>> [OVERLAPPING] NO. YOU CAN MAKE IT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO.
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WE JUST CHOSE MU-8 BECAUSE WE HAD AN MU-1.>> I'VE JUST HIGHLIGHTED. IT'S CALLED 8TH STREET MIXED USE.
MU-8, THAT DASH EIGHT IMPLIES DENSITY, SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
>> THANK YOU. THAT WAS FAIR OF YOU.
>> IN THAT DENSITY, WE TALKED ABOUT ALL KINDS OF NUMBERS.
WOULD WE END UP WITH A EIGHT [OVERLAPPING] UNITS OF THE ACRE? WE AT ONE TIME WERE TALKING 32, 36 UNITS AND IT FREAKED EVERYBODY OUT, SO WE DID NOT GO THERE.
>> SO YOU WENT TO 18 PER ACRE?
>> WE'RE ONLY AT WHERE WE ARE NOW BECAUSE OF THE [OVERLAPPING] GOVERNOR STUFF.
IT'S ONLY EIGHT UNITS TO THE ACRE RIGHT?
>> IT'S BEEN 18 SINCE THE BEGINNING.
>> NO. SHE SAID THE NAME IMPLIES DENSITY.
THAT WAS THE HIGHEST THAT WE [OVERLAPPING] BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE APPROVED.
>> WHEN THE TOWN HOUSES WENT IN DOWN THERE, THAT ONES THAT ARE THERE NEXT TO THE BAGEL PLACE, [OVERLAPPING] THAT GOT PUSHED OUT.
>> YEAH, I DID THAT. THAT WAS 18 UNITS AN ACRE.
>> BECAUSE TO GET THERE, YOU HAD TO TAKE PART OF THE STREET STUFF.
BUT IT WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
>> BUT IF WE DECIDED THAT WE WANTED MU-SADLER ROAD, AND WE SAID IT'S FROM THE BEACH TO 8TH STREET NORTH AND SOUTH, IT WOULD ENCOMPASS ALL OF THOSE AREAS RIGHT THERE. WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT?
>> THAT WOULD KEEP IT CONTIGUOUS.
>> ARE SAYING WE'RE CHANGING THE ZONING TO MIXED USE FROM COMMERCIAL NOW?
>> I WAS THINKING, WE'RE DOING REDEVELOPMENT, WE'RE NOT DOING A NEW ZONING DISTRICT.
>> WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN WOULD BE [OVERLAPPING] DIFFERENT TYPES OF SETBACKS MAYBE, ADDING IN MORE [OVERLAPPING] PARKING REQUIREMENTS, IMPERVIOUS REQUIREMENTS, PARKING IN THE BACK, ENCOURAGING PEDESTRIAN WALKABILITY.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT [OVERLAPPING] AND THE USES. EXACTLY.
>> IT WOULD BE AN OVERLAY AS OPPOSED TO A ZONING CHANGE?
>> CORRECT. YES. IT'S VERY CLEAR ON THAT.
>> YOU'RE ONLY GIVEN IF YOU REDEVELOP.
YOU'RE IN THAT SPECIFIC DESIGNATED AREA.
>> I'M COMING, BARB. WHAT YOU JUST SAID, DOES THAT MEAN THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO IT?
>> ARE WE GOING TO START WITH THIS? WHAT ABOUT THE SHOPPING CENTER ON 14TH STREET? IS THAT GOING TO BE LIKE NEXT?
>> I THINK WE FOCUS ON WHAT WE HAVE IN THE COMP PLAN TODAY.
>> BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL.
FEELING THERE'S ALWAYS BUSINESSES THERE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S VERY MANY BUSINESSES THAT ARE VACANT THERE.
>> THESE AREAS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR A PARTICULAR REASON IN THE COMP PLAN, AND THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD START THERE.
>> DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY WERE THERE?
>> WELL, THINK ABOUT WHERE SADLER ROAD CONNECTS TO.
IT'S A QUARTER STRAIGHT TO THE OCEAN.
THERE'S SO MANY WAYS THAT WE COULD REDEVELOP THAT AREA TO MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE AND TO MAKE IT MORE OF A DESTINATION CENTER LIKE DOWNTOWN.
>> THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PLANS SUGGESTED THAT WENT BY THE WAYSIDE OR FOR WHATEVER REASON PARKING WAS SUGGESTED CHANGING AT ONE TIME FROM CITRONA WAY TO THE BEACH.
>> I WOULD DO IT FROM THE BEACH ALL THE WAY UP TO 8TH STREET N SADLER ROAD.
>> BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DEAL WITH.
THAT'S WHAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR.
THEN YOU CAN PUT YOUR WALKABILITY AND ALL THAT OTHER THINGS IN THERE.
>> LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS GOING ALONG WITH WE TALKED ABOUT BICYCLE PATHS AND SO FORTH.
IF YOU DID SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE, WE CAN'T CONTROL THE WIDTH OF THAT ROAD.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE UP TO THE STATE.
>> THEY DO. WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE WANT TO MAKE 10 FOOT WIDE PEDESTRIAN WAYS, COMBINATION OF PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLES.
IS THAT WITHIN OUR PERUSAL TO DO THAT?
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE GOT BIKE LANES ON THE ROAD NOW AND THERE'S SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES NOW.
>> YEAH. BUT LET'S MAKE THEM WIDE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE CAN ENCOURAGE MORE LANDSCAPING, MORE WIDER, DEFINITELY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THOSE SIDEWALKS ARE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE, SO YOU COULD ADD TO THEM PRETTY EASILY.
>> YOU CAN MAKE THEM HAVE, SAY, AN ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET OR WHATEVER THAT THEY PAVE AND THEN THEY DEDICATE THAT.
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>> WHAT I'M THINKING IS MORE LIKE THE EUROPEAN APPROACH WHERE THEY'VE GOT THE PEDESTRIAN LANES AND THE BICYCLE LANES NEXT TO EACH OTHER AND GOD HELP YOU IF STEP ON THE WRONG ONE.
BUT IT'S THAT IDEA, BUT IF YOU HAD A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO MIGRATE UP AND DOWN SADLER, YOU MAY REDUCE THE LOAD IN TERMS OF THE BEACH SIDE, PEOPLE CAN PARK SOMEWHERE ELSE OR WHATEVER.
>> I THINK THAT'S THE IDEA, IS A NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIVITY BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE SAFER AS THEY'RE TRAVELING TO THE DESTINATION, WHICH IS THE OCEAN.
>> SADLER ISN'T INVITING TO WALKERS, BIKERS, RIDERS, SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT.
[OVERLAPPING] GO AHEAD. WHAT, MARK?
>> WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO ENTICE PEOPLE.
>> LET ME GO BACK. NICK, LET ME ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION.
WE HAVE LARGER SHOPPING CENTERS RIGHT NOW ARE ALL PRETTY MUCH WHAT I CALL THE OLD SHOPPING MALL APPROACH WITH A STORE [OVERLAPPING] AT THE BACK, WHATEVER.
BUT EVERYTHING IN THE FRONT IS THE LOGISTICS OF GETTING TO THE BUSINESS.
NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING THE BUSINESS TO THE EDGE OF THE STREET, SO TO SPEAK, AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOES IN BEHIND IT.
>> I PERSONALLY I'D LIKE TO HAVE WHITE CORRIDORS, MYSELF, DRIVING CORRIDORS.
MOVING BUILDINGS UP TO THE STREET HAS SOME PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
IT'S DESIGN, WHAT CAN I TELL YOU?
>> BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO GET DOWN TO THAT LEVEL OF CONTROL.
>> WELL, I SAID THE ROADS LOW HANGING FRUIT BECAUSE COUNTY WAS EVEN TALKING ABOUT REDUCING LANES ON THAT, SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE EVER GOING TO WIDEN IT.
ON CERTAIN CORRIDORS, YOU CAN'T EVER WIDEN THE STREET.
>> YOUR WALKWAYS AND THINGS GO IN THE RIGHT OF WAYS NOW.
BUT DO WE ALSO REQUIRE THEM? AT ONE TIME, WE DIDN'T REQUIRE SIDEWALKS AND BUILDINGS IN THE CITY.
WHEN YOU BUILT A BUILDING, YOU HAVE TO PUT A SIDEWALK.
THAT HASN'T CHANGED, HAS IT, NICK?
>> [OVERLAPPING] YOU HAVE TO PUT SIDE SIDEWALKS RIGHT NOW.
>> WE DO. THEY'RE WHAT, FIVE FEET?
>> [OVERLAPPING] WHAT YOU NEED IS A TEN FOOT TO REALLY MAKE IT WHAT YOU ALL ARE TALKING.
CAN YOU DO SIDEWALK WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY?
>> WE COULD ASK THEM TO DO IT OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. ABSOLUTELY.
>> WELL, REMEMBER IT IS A STATE ROAD OR A COUNTY ROAD.
>> I GET THAT. BUT OUT HERE, THERE'S MAYBE A FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK THERE NOW.
IF WE WANTED TO HAVE A 10 FOOT, IS THAT POSSIBLE?
ABSOLUTELY. LANDSCAPING BUFFERS, LIKE WHAT'S REQUIRED ON 8TH STREET.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, RIGHT?
>> CORRECT. UPON REDEVELOPMENT [OVERLAPPING] THEY HAVE TO MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE AND DEMONSTRATE HOW IT'S SAFER THROUGH THINGS LIKE LANDSCAPING THROUGH IMPROVED SIDEWALKS, ALL THESE THINGS.
>> THE BIKING IS THE ONE THAT I THINK WE'RE SEEING THE MOST.
I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT IS GOING TO BE THE ELECTRIC BICYCLE IN TERMS OF WHERE IS IT GOING TO FIT IN? BUT LET'S NOT TRY AND SOLVE THAT HERE, BUT IT IS BECOMING A MORE.
>> YOU BRING UP ANOTHER GOOD POINT, TOO, THAT'S NOT NECESSARY ELECTRIC BIKE, BUT DO WE ENCOURAGE USE OF SLOW MOVING VEHICLES? DO WE [OVERLAPPING] TRY TO DISCOURAGE CARS AND ENCOURAGE OTHER WAYS OF GETTING?
>> WELL, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED ON THESE PATHS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I JUST WAS GOING TO SAY I THINK IT MAY BE DIFFICULT [OVERLAPPING] TOO, WITH THE ROAD IN TERMS OF IT BEING A COUNTY ROAD AND THAT THING.
BUT I THINK THAT DIRECTION IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND THAT CONSIDERATION FOR SURE.
>> BUT RIGHT NOW, WE CAN'T PUT LOW SPEED VEHICLES ON SIDEWALKS.
IN MY MIND, HAVING A 10 OR 12 FOOT SIDEWALK LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE IDEAL FOR [OVERLAPPING] BOTH PARTIES.
JUST PUT A YELLOW LINE THREE FEET ON ONE SIDE TO WHERE THE PEDESTRIANS WALK.
I'M SURE SOMEBODY'S FIGURED THIS OUT.
>> WHERE THEY DO IT BOTH WAYS.
>> IF YOU GO TO AUSTRIA, YOU SEE LIKE SALISBURY, PLACE LIKE THAT, IT'S VERY PREVALENT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREAS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] YOU SEE A LOT OF PLACES TOO.
WHEN I WAS LOOKING AROUND, WHEN PEOPLE TAKE THESE THINGS AND REDO, THE SIDEWALKS ARE HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE 10 FEET, BUT THEY'RE BIG.
>> IT'S ALMOST TWO O'CLOCK AND TO MAKE GOOD USE OF OUR TIME, DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR US, KEEPING THIS IN MIND, THIS IS ALREADY HERE, THAT WE ACTUALLY START TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE WOULD SEE AS THE SADLER OVERLAY AND START TO SAY,
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WE WANT THOSE SIDEWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN WALKS X NUMBER OF FEET? I LIKED WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, NICK, ABOUT THE FLEXIBILITY ON THE PERVIOUS SURFACE.I THINK THAT A LOT OF TIMES IF YOU GIVE THESE DEVELOPERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING CREATIVE, THEY CAN COME UP WITH SOME PRETTY GOOD IDEAS.
>> I DO TOO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR MEANING SPECIFICALLY IN IDENTIFYING THAT, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
>> I JUST WANT TO BRING IT RIGHT THERE, IT SAYS [OVERLAPPING] LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES.
THAT'S THE WAY RIGHT THERE WITH THE BYPASS OR MOBILE PASS, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO HAVE CONCRETE OR SOMETHING THAT'S IMPERVIOUS, YOU CAN ALLOW THAT AND IT ALREADY SAYS THAT WE SHOULD DEVELOP THOSE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE, THAT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES TO ALLOW THEM TO DO SOME OF THAT.
>> BECAUSE THE WATER IS RIGHT THERE.
>> I THINK WE'VE GOT THE PERMISSION FROM THIS POLICY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF US IDENTIFYING THIS FIRST PROJECT AS AN OVERLAY, SADLER ROAD OVERLAY AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE.
IF WE COULD COME OUT OF THIS WORKSHOP WITH SOME GUIDELINES OR SOME SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
IT WOULD GIVE ENOUGH MAYBE FOR STAFF TO COME BACK TO OUR NEXT MEETING WITH HOW YOU WOULD SEE THAT ACTUALLY IN THE CODE. IS THAT HOW THAT WOULD GO?
>> WELL, BASED ON THE MEETING, THOUGH, IT WAS GOING TO BE THE SMALL GROUP, WE WOULD TAKE THESE AND THEN THE SMALL GROUP WOULD DEVELOP THOSE OUT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR BLESSING AND THEN BEFORE STAFF WOULD DO THAT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] EVENTUALLY, THAT'S WHERE IT GOES TO.
>> THEN IT GOES TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
>> IF WE WERE TO TAKE THE NEXT HOUR AND DOWNLOAD THE THREE PEOPLE WHO WERE GOING TO DO THAT, DO IT.
>> I DON'T CARE IF IT'S THREE OR IT'S THE COMMITTEE THAT'S HERE.
YOU'RE ALL ON THE PLANNING BOARD. CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR? PUT THE COMMERCIAL THING BACK UP AGAIN.
[OVERLAPPING] I WOULD SAY, AT THIS POINT, WHY NOT IDENTIFY SADLER ROAD TO WHERE WE'RE GOING NORTH AND SOUTH, SO WE HAVE AN AREA IN MIND, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TEST CASE FOR US.
IF IT WORKS HERE, THEN YOU CAN GO OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY.
>> IT'S MORE OF A MODEL, THEN YOU CAN CUSTOMIZE IT TO 8TH STREET SPECIFIC OR WHATEVER.
>> BECAUSE RIGHT NOW JUST LOOKING AT WHERE THE COMMERCIAL IS AND KEEP IN MIND, IT'S NOT ALL JUST RED.
IT'S ALSO SOME OF THE PINKS AND I THINK THAT [OVERLAPPING] YELLOWISH AREA UP THERE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WHAT'S THAT YELLOW?
>> THAT CORRIDOR SEEMS TO BE IDEAL FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S CERTAINLY A WALKABLE AREA WITH MOST OF THE SHOPPING.
KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS THE SHOPPING FOR OFF ISLAND TOO.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO ALSO ACCEPT.
WHAT'S GOING ON ON ISLAND AND OFF ISLAND, AND YOU HAVE A BIG TOURIST GROUP.
YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT GROUPS HERE THAT ARE USING DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL AREAS.
>> WHERE'S IT GOING ON THE TOP LEFT-HAND SIDE UP THERE? YOU BRING IT DOWN SIDE, IF YOU WILL.
NO. ZOOM OUT, DOWN, THEN COME DOWN.
I DON'T KNOW UP FROM NOW THAT'S DOWN.
>> WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SEE, MARK?
>> I WANT TO SEE IT UP THERE ON THE TOP LEFT HAND SIDE HOW FAR THAT [OVERLAPPING] COMMERCIAL GOES ON.
>> [LAUGHTER] YOU MEAN ALONG EIGHT?
>> YEAH, 8TH STREET. HOW HIGH DOES THAT GO?
>> YOU ALMOST HAVE ALL THE WAY UP TO [INAUDIBLE] DON'T YOU?
>> I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, IS THE PLOT.
>> A LOT OF THAT COUNT TO YOU SO.
>> BUT EVERYTHING WHERE THE WINN-DIXIE SHOPPING CENTER, THAT'S A BIG SPOT TO JUST LEAVE OUT OF THIS.
>> WELL, I'M NOT SAYING LEAVE THAT OUT.
I'M SAYING WE DON'T HAVE TO GO UP TO IT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THAT WOULD BE THE TOP END OR THE NORTH END.
>> IF WE COULD ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT.
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>> NO. THAT'S 8TH STREET THERE.
>> I'M JUST SAYING WALMART IS TOO FAR TO BE THE TOP PAN.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THEY'RE ALL TIED TOGETHER COMMERCIAL WISE. THAT'S MY POINT.
>> FOR THE NEXT YEAR, THERE'S NO PUBLIX THERE.
THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE SOME OF THE DYNAMIC OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT FOR THE REGULAR SHOPPING.
YOU HAVE THAT THERE, WHY NOT INCLUDE [INAUDIBLE]?
>> I'M SORRY, MR. BENNETT, CAN YOU POINT OUT WHICH AREA YOU'RE POINTING TO?
>> YOU SEE WHERE THE ARROW IS? I WOULD INCLUDE THAT AREA, GO DOWN TO SADLER AND THEN SADLER TO THE BEACH.
I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON JUST SADLER ROAD.
>> I THINK THE PROPERTY SHOULD HAVE ACCESS FROM SADLER ROAD TO MEET THE COMP PLAN.
>> EXACTLY. BECAUSE IT'S AT DESTINATION ACTIVITY CENTER.
>> I JUST THINK THAT SADLER ROAD HAS GOT THAT BEACH VIBE.
>> WHICH IS WHY IT WAS IDENTIFIED.
>> IT'S IDENTIFIABLE AS A BEACH VIBE.
>> I AGREE WITH YOUR OWN TERM, MARK.
>> [OVERLAPPING] YOU'VE GOT A BIG COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THERE THAT EXHIBITS A LOT OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS, BUT LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT [OVERLAPPING] YOU HAVE TWO BIG NODES OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE TIED TOGETHER.
>> WE DON'T NEED TO GROUP THAT IN WITH THE DESTINATION ACTIVITY CENTER.
THAT'S ITS OWN OVERLAY IN ITSELF THAT CAN BE DEALT WITH AT A FUTURE DATE.
>> NOBODY DISAGREES. I THINK WE'RE ALL THERE JUST DOING IT IN STEPS.
>> WHAT IF YOU DID THE SHOPPING CENTER WHERE MILLENNIUM IS?
>> [OVERLAPPING] IS IT PART OF THIS?
>> THAT'S14TH STREET. I'M SORRY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IF YOU DID THAT, AND THEN DID WALMART SHOPPING CENTER OR WINN-DIXIE SHOPPING CENTER WITH THAT ONE, [OVERLAPPING] THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THAT AREA ALONG WITH SADLER, [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE THAT'S ALL TIED TOGETHER.
YOU COULD TIE TOGETHER YOUR PEDESTRIAN WALKS, YOUR MOBILITY, YOUR PARKING.
>> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
>> WELL, I LIKE THE IDEA THAT MARK BROUGHT UP THAT LET'S FOCUS ON ONE AND GET SOME SOME SHAPE TO THE WHOLE SADLER CENTER.
>> I THINK WE'VE SAID THAT, SADLER.
THEN PART TWO WOULD BE THE NEXT TWO SHOPPING CENTERS.
>> IT WILL BE CALLED SADLER 14TH OVERLAY. THERE YOU GO.
>> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK FOCUS ON SADLER.
BUT I DO THINK AS FAR AS PUBLIX, THAT MIGHT BE A BIT TOO FAR AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S TWO CORRIDORS.
PEOPLE GO TO THE BEACH, THEY GO DOWN SADLER TO THE BEACH.
PEOPLE WANT TO GO DOWNTOWN, GO DOWN 8TH STREET TO TOWN.
BUT I DO THINK THAT COULD BE THE PERFECT PLAN IF WE WIND IT, MAKE IT WALKABLE, MORE BIKES.
>> [OVERLAPPING] CAN WE JUST START WITH A BLANK SHEET OF PAPER, A BLANK SCREEN AND TALK ABOUT AND SAY, SADLER ROAD OVERLAY.
>> SADLER ROAD 14TH STREET OVERLAY.
IT'S TOO LATE [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU [OVERLAPPING] LOOK AT IT.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.
I AGREE THAT THE SADLER ROAD CORRIDOR IS EXACTLY WHAT THE COMP PLAN IS DESCRIBING.
I ALSO AGREE THAT IT'D BE NICE TO CONNECT THOSE TWO COMMERCIAL AREAS.
MAYBE THE PAB PUTS FORWARD THE PLAN FOR THE SADLER ROAD CORRIDOR AND HAS AN OPTIONAL EXPANSION THAT THE CITY COMMISSION CAN THEN VOTE ON TO SEE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT 14TH CORRIDOR IN.
>> [OVERLAPPING] YOU DEVELOP BOTH IDEAS AND THEN JUST HAVE, THIS IS OUR PRIORITY, WE ALSO THINK THIS WOULD BE GOOD TOO.
>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE JUST CAN'T INCLUDE IT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I WORRY THAT IT'S TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT [OVERLAPPING] WE MAY NOT WANT TO SEE THE SAME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SIDE THAN WE WOULD ON THE CORRIDOR.
THAT'S MY WORRY. I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED AND CALLED OUT IN THE COMP PLAN.
I THINK WE CAN GET IN THE WEEDS VERY EASILY, AND THAT HINDERS PROGRESS.
>> I HAVE TO SAY, I HAVE TO PROBABLY AGREE WITH DAPHNE.
>> I WILL SAY, LET'S JUST TAKE A BITE THAT WE CAN HANDLE RIGHT NOW.
>> THIS IS THE LONG TERM ANSWER.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE'LL GET TO IT.
>> NOW IT'S SHORT TERM BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST.
>> THEN WE CAN SAY WE ACTUALLY DID THIS.
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>> VICTORIA, WHAT ARE YOU WANTING TO DO HERE?
>> ON THE SADLER ROAD OVERLAY, LET'S JUST START WITH [OVERLAPPING]
>> FOURTEENTH STREET TO THE BEACH.
>> DO WE WANT TO SAY A PERVIOUS AREA? DO WE WANT TO ACTUALLY GET INTO PARKING?
>> WHY DON'T WE USE WHAT WE HAVE AS A GUIDE AND WE PICK UP FROM THERE?
>> THE ELEMENTS IN THE COMP PLAN THAT WERE LISTED IN THERE?
>> THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND THEN START WITH THAT.
>> IS THERE ANYTHING RELATES THAT BACK TO THE LDC?
>> THERE ARE SOME THINGS, BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE DESTINATION ACTIVITY CENTER.
>> [OVERLAPPING] LET'S NOT CONFUSE IT WITH THE COMP PLAN GIVES US THE BASELINE AND STICK WITH THAT.
>> THEN I WOULD TAKE TAKE OUT THE POLICY, TAKE OUT THAT FIRST SENTENCE ABOUT THE CITY SHALL AND THEN TALK ABOUT SETTING IT UP WITH DENSITY, A, B, C, D, AND E. THAT'S THE FIRST CONCEPT, RIGHT?
>> WELL, LET ME INTERJECT. WHY DON'T WE SAY IN ACCORDANCE WITH POLICY 104-01, AND THEN WE LIST THAT ON THE LIST?
>> IT TIES IT BACK TO SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY GOT.
>> WON'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE JUST MAKING IT UP [LAUGHTER]
>> THEN TAKE OUT THE NEXT LINE, THE POLICY.
DO WE NEED TO SAY, I WON'T SAY A POLICY STATEMENT, BUT WHAT THE GOAL IS HERE IS TO ENCOURAGE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT IN THE CORRIDOR?
>> I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY ENCOURAGE.
>> IN ACCORDANCE WITH 104-04, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS FOR THIS.
>> IS IT OPTIMIZE OR INCENTIVIZE?
>> [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T KNOW IF I LIKE THAT.
>> ALTHOUGH THE COMP PLAN DOES SAY TO REDUCE FLIGHT, ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT OF UNDERUTILIZED AREAS AND INEFFICIENT LAND USE PATTERNS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] HOW ABOUT CONTROL REDEVELOPMENT IN AN ORDERLY MANNER?
>> [OVERLAPPING] YOU DON'T LIKE THAT?
>> NO. I THINK WE CAN USE IT THOUGH. HANG ON.
BUT I THINK THAT I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THAT SENTENCE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO.
CONTINUE THAT SENTENCE ON. WHERE IS THAT?
>> IT'S IN THE CORRIDOR, RIGHT THERE.
>> LET'S SEE. IT'S ACTUALLY AT THE BEGINNING UNDER THE OBJECTIVE 104, THE CITY SHALL REDUCE FLIGHT AND ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT OF UNDERUTILIZED AREAS.
>> WHILE SHE'S TYPING ALL THAT IN, I THINK WE CAN SAY THAT THIS SADLER ROAD AREA FROM X TO X, EAST WEST NORTH AND SOUTH, HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS THE SADLER ROAD OVERLAY.
>> CORRIDOR OVERLAY? [OVERLAPPING] DOES OVERLAY MEAN ANYTHING?
>> IT DOES. BUT I WANT TO JUST BE VERY SPECIFIC TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE AS A GUIDE.
THAT WAY, WE'RE NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
IT'S IN HERE AS A DESTINATION ACTIVITY CENTER, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE SADLER ROAD CORRIDOR.
THAT'S VERY CLEAR THAT IT'S A CORRIDOR.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THEY CAN'T NOT APPROVE WHAT'S IN THERE.
>> BUT DO YOU NEED TO USE THE WORD OVERLAY?
>> THE REASON IS IF YOU OVERLAY, THEN EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THAT OVERLAY.
>> WELL, [OVERLAPPING] AND IT IS CONSIDERED AN OVERLAY.
IT IS A COMMERCIAL OVERLAY [OVERLAPPING] DISTRICT IS WHAT IT'S CONSIDERED
>> THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE UNDER 104-04, IT'S ALREADY THERE, ESTABLISHED COMMERCIAL OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
>> YOU'RE JUST TAKING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY AND YOU'RE NOW GOING TO PUT ELEMENTS OF IT IN THE LV?
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>> YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO RE-EMIT THE WHEEL HERE. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO.
>> THIS IS THE NITTY GRITTY END OF THE EQUATION, BUT LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THIS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THING.
LET'S JUST SAY PART OF THAT IS AT THE 90 PERCENTILE.
LET ME ASK NICK. IF YOU PUT A REQUIREMENT IN THAT THEY CANNOT EXPAND OR [OVERLAPPING] GO ABOVE, WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO, THE EXISTING LEVEL, IT CAN GO DOWN, BUT IT JUST CAN'T GO UP? IF THEY'RE AT 90% NOW, IT CAN'T BE AT 91% AFTER WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING.
I DON'T KNOW. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN PUT INTO?
>> WE CAN'T GET INTO THAT WHOLE THING.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT REASONS WHY.
>> NO. [OVERLAPPING] WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO TAKE ONE AS AN EXAMPLE.
BUT AT SOME POINT, THEY WILL HAVE THAT BOILERPLATE TO WORK WITH?
>> THAT'S B, PROVISIONAL ALTERNATIVE SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS IN THE AREA.
>> WE DON'T HAVE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEWS, WE DON'T HAVE DESIGNS.
>> THAT'S NOT WHAT SITE DESIGN IS.
IT'S IN B, PROVISION OF ALTERNATIVE SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] PARKING LANDSCAPING, PARKING.
>> CONNECTIVITY AND THEN BICYCLING, WALKING.
>> GOING TO GET MORE AND MORE OF THEM.
MAY AS WELL START PLANNING IT.
>> WE WANT TO DISCOURAGE CARS.
>> APPARENTLY YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE ON A SIDEWALK.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WHAT WOULD YOU WOULD YOU SAY SIDEWALKS AND WALKING AREAS? IS THAT OKAY?
>> ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO INCORPORATE THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT?
>> YEAH, WE NEED THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ON THERE.
>> I'M TRYING TO THINK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SADLER, RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL FACING SADLER.
>> THERE'S TOWN HOMES BACK THERE.
>> THEY GOT TOWN HOMES GOING UP AND THEY GOT HOUSES RIGHT DOWN.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SADLER ADDRESS OR WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE?
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT DOESN'T MATTER, THEY'RE ON SADLER.
>> WE ARE GOING FROM MAIN BEACH, ALL THE WAY UP?
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE YOU HAVE ALL TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT IN THERE.
>> NOW, THE NORTH SIDE, THERE ARE SOME.
>> YOU GOT HOUSES, TOWNHOUSES, COMMERCIAL.
>> APARTMENTS. THEY'RE ALL MIXED TOGETHER.
>> THEY'RE ALL MIXED. HEIGHT SETBACKS, BUILDING HEIGHT.
>> DO YOU THINK IT WOULD GO HIGHER THAN WHAT IS ALLOWED?
>> I THINK I WOULD PUT RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT AS ITS OWN CATEGORY, NOT UNDER SITE DESIGN JUST BECAUSE YOU GET THE DENSITY PART.
>> RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE WHAT? FORTY FIVE FOOT MAXIMUM CITY AND 35 FOOT IN SOME AREAS.
I WOULD NOT EVEN SUGGEST GOING ANY HIGHER.
>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT TOO.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO RESIDENTIAL DESIGN.
>> YEAH, BUT IT SHOULD BE ITS OWN CATEGORY.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. IT'S A SEPARATE BUILD.
>> THIS IS JUST MAKING A LIST.
THIS IS NOT HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN THE END.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
>> THERE'S NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE ISLAND AT ALL, OF COURSE, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY INKLING OF WHO WOULD WANT TO LIVE THERE? WHAT I'M REALLY GOING TO IS, SHOULD WE BUILD A TRANSPORTATION COMPONENT INTO THIS TO GET PEOPLE?
>> IF YOU WANT TO GET CARS OFF THE STREET, YOU GOT TO HAVE ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO GET THERE.
>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
[OVERLAPPING] IF PEOPLE WERE GOING TO LIVE THERE WHO ARE GOING TO WORK ON THE ISLAND SOMEPLACE, CAN WE GIVE THEM A RIDE TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO WORK? I DOUBT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUY THESE PLACES.
>> THE FACILITY ACROSS FROM THE POST OFFICE THAT IS GOING IN THAT FOR THE HOTELS?
>> I DON'T THINK THIS CORRIDOR IS BIG ENOUGH TO FORCE THAT ON SOMEBODY TO [OVERLAPPING]?
BUT YOU COULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF COMMON AREA REQUIREMENT THAT COULD EVENTUALLY BE TURNED INTO.
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>> CAN THAT BE UNDER THE LANDSCAPING SECTION?
>> WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD PEOPLE IS DECREASE CARS, IF THERE'S A COUNTER INTUITIVE WAY OF.
>> I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT BY IMPLEMENTING THE MIXED USE COMPONENT OR PEOPLE CAN WALK TO WHERE THEY NEED TO SHOP AND RIGHT IN THE DENTAL OFFICE AND DO ALL THOSE THINGS THAT THEY'RE NORMALLY DRIVING FOR.
I THINK THIS IS A PERFECT LOCATION MYSELF.
>> THE PROBLEM WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS THAT WHEN THEY BUILD IT, IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE.
[OVERLAPPING] UNLESS THERE'S SOME GOVERNMENT INCENTIVE IN THE BUILDING PROCESS WHERE YOU CAN KEEP RATES AND RENTS AT A CERTAIN LEVEL AND MANAGE ANY RESALES, THEN CITY IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, SO.
>> I'M GOING TO BEAR YOUR OWN.
THAT'S THEIR BIG APARTMENT BUILDING.
>> THERE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING WORKED ON RIGHT NOW BY WHAT'S HER NAME? I CAN'T REMEMBER HER NAME, BUT THEY SPOTTED SOME PROPERTY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO.
>> WELL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE NUMBERS THEY TALK ABOUT, RARELY DO I SEE ANY PERCENTAGE OF LOWER MEDIUM INCOME INCLUDED.
TO INCENTIVIZE SOMEBODY TO BUILD A MARKET PROJECT, IT'S RIDICULOUS IF YOU CAN'T CONTROL IT.
YOU HAVE IT THERE, BUT THERE'S NO CONTROL AFTER IT'S BUILT, FOR SALES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
>> WE'VE YOU'VE WE MENTIONED THIS.
>> LIVE LOCAL. WE HAVE NO CONTROLS ON THAT.
I THINK THAT'S MAYBE ON OUR LIST OF THINGS.
>> BECAUSE IF WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO DEVELOP UNDER COMMERCIAL STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE NEW AND IMPROVED, THAT WOULD BE LESS LIKELY TO WANT TO PURSUE LIVE LOCAL.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS.
>> WELL, BUT IF THEY DO WANT TO PURSUE, LIVE LOCAL, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME GUIDELINES OR THINGS THAT WE CAN WE CONTROL ANY OF THAT? IS MY QUESTION.
>> I THINK YOU CAN HAVE GUIDELINES.
>> I'M SAYING CAN I CONTROL RENTS?
>> NO, I CAN'T. I CAN'T CONTROL WHAT THEY DO.
THEY BUILD IT AND GET TO DO WHAT THEY WANT.
>> THE LAST THING YOU WANT IS GOVERNMENT CONTROLLING STUFF LIKE THIS ANYWAY.
>> WELL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW A HIGHER DENSITY AND CALL IT.
>> WELL, THEN YOU BETTER BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AN ACRE OR SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN LIKE DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE.
ONLY BIG CITIES CAN TRULY DO IT BECAUSE THEY GET THE MEANINGFUL DENSE.
[OVERLAPPING] TOWERS AND THEN.
>> THEN THEY'RE CALLING IT THAT HERE.
YOU HAVE DEVELOPERS COMING HERE AND WANT TO SAY, I WANT TO BUILD A LIVE LOCAL PROJECT, AND WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER KEEPING IT.
THEY GET TO BUILD THE DENSITY, AND WE GET TO LIVE WITH THE PROBLEM.
>> BUT IF WE HAVE INCENTIVES IN PLACE THAT ENCOURAGE MEANINGFUL DEVELOPMENT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER ON THEM AND ON THEIR BOTTOM LINE, THEN WHY WOULD THEY PURSUE THAT?
>> MOST OF THE TIME WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHEN THEY ARE DOING THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION. PROFITS.
>> BECAUSE IT'S SO RESTRICTIVE.
THEY SEE IT AS, I HAVE NO OTHER OPTION, I'M GOING TO PURSUE THIS BECAUSE THE STATE ALLOWS ME TO DO IT.
>> I'VE JUST SEE SO MANY OF THESE PROJECTS END UP GOING MARKET IN A VERY SHORT TIME AFTER THEY'RE BUILT.
>> WELL, LIVE LOCAL HAVE ITS OWN REGULATIONS AND STUFF.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GET IN THE WEEDS OF THAT.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE WHOLE POINT OF DOING THESE THINGS, IT'S GOING TO HELP IN INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE TO NOT GO THAT ROUTE.
THAT'S THE EXTREME ROUTE. WE DON'T WANT THAT.
>> IS THERE A WAY TO BUILD INTO THESE THINGS, DESTINATIONS, SHOPPING, PERHAPS SOME ENTERTAINMENT THAT WOULD TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF DOWNTOWN.
THAT WOULD LEAVE PEOPLE, LET'S GO HERE, AND MAYBE SOLVE SOME OF THE PARKING ISSUES THAT I HAVE HERE AND BUILD THAT INTO.
>> THAT'LL HAPPEN NATURALLY LET'S BE AN ORGANIC PART OF.
>> BECAUSE IT'S ORGANIC, WE DON'T HAVE TO SPECIFY ANYTHING.
>> THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THESE DESTINATION ACTIVITY CENTERS.
IT'S EXACTLY THE POINT OF IT. YOU'RE RIGHT ON IT.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENT TO DO WHAT THEY DO BEST WAS JUST DEVELOP AND DEVELOP WHAT'S WANTED IN THE AREA.
>> YOU CAN SAY I WANT TO A MOVIE THEATER THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD IT UNLESS THEY CAN MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT.
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YOU SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE THEATERS.>> POINT IS IF THEY BUILD IT, THEY DON'T COME, THEY'RE IN TROUBLES THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THEY INCENTIVIZE THE PROCESS, WHATEVER BEING PART AND WHATEVER THE PEOPLE WILL COME.
>> BUT I GUESS AND WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE IDEA OF TACKLING 14TH STREET CORRIDOR NEXT, NOT NOW, BUT NEXT.
IT IS JUST BEGINNING TO DO THIS.
LOOK AT THESE CORRIDORS OR OVERLAYS AS THE WHOLE CITY IS JUST NOT LOOKING WE ARE LOOKING AT THEM ONE PIECE AT A TIME, BUT LOOKING AT THEM AS TO HOW THEY FIT IN THE CITY TO THE BENEFIT OF DOWNTOWN, DO THE BENEFIT OF AREAS TO DISTRIBUTE THE TRAFFIC, TO GET RID OF CARS, AND JUST MAKE THE ENTIRETY OF THE CITY A MORE PLEASANT PLACE.
>> THEN YOU HAVE TO PLAN FOR THOSE WALKWAYS AND MOBILITY AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND WHEN IT CONNECTS.
YOU CAN DO THIS ALL BY ITSELF, BUT IN THAT PLAN, YOU GOT TO KNOW, YOU WANT TO CONNECT TO THE NEXT ONE TO THE NORTH.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE'VE COMPLETED THIS.
THEN WHAT'S YOUR SECOND PROJECT? THE SECOND PROJECT COULD BE 14TH STREET.
BUT IF WE COULD DO THIS AND DEMONSTRATE WE'VE DONE, WE THINK THIS GOOD.
>> WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT STEP?
>> WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? DO WE HAVE TO FLASH THIS OUT EVEN MORE I MEAN MORE SPECIFIC?
>> I THINK WE OUGHT TO MAKE SURE THE COMMISSION'S ON BOARD WITH US ESTABLISHING THE CORD OR IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMP PLAN, MAKE SURE BEFORE WE GET IN THE FINE WHAT'S OUR DENSITY GOING TO BE? WHAT'S OUR IMPERVIOUS AREA AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS? MAYBE WE OUGHT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
>> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS AT THIS POINT.
>> NO. BUT I THINK WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT, WHICH IS VERY CONTRARY TO WHAT [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT YOU HAVE TO REALIZE WE ARE HERE JUST FOR THIS.
>> JUST FOR THIS NOTHING ELSE.
>> BE AWARE OF THIS PROCESS 8TH STREET TOOK US WHAT? TWO YEARS TO DO WITH ALL THE MEETINGS AND ALL THE STUFF.
>> WE'RE NOT CREATING A NEW ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
>> WE HAVE STUFF TO GO OFF OF A GUIDE, WHICH IS THE THING WE THINK ABOUT IS IN MY MIND, IS WE OUGHT TO CLARIFY IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO OPT OUT AND THEY WANT TO REDEVELOP IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR UNDERLYING ZONING, THEY HAVE THAT WE'RE NOT FORCING THEM TO DO IT.
>> WHY WOULD ANYBODY WANT TO OPT OUT?
>> WELL, I WOULDN'T THINK THEY WOULD, BUT THEY MIGHT.
>> WELL, IF THEY PUT THE OVERLAY IN PLACE.
[OVERLAPPING] THERE IS NO OPT OUT.
>> WELL, I MEAN, LET'S SAY MAYBE THE PUTT-PUTT.
I WANT TO REDEVELOP IT, BUT I WANT PARKING TO BE UP FRONT.
I WANT TO PUT A BUILDING IN THE BACK.
>> WE ESTABLISH AN OVERLAY ON THE CITY.
>> THAT ISLAND IS IN THE COUNTY.
>> THINK ABOUT THE 8TH STREET OVERLAY.
THEY CAN'T JUST OPT OUT OF THAT OVERLAY.
THEY STILL HAVE TO ABIDE BY THAT.
>> WELL, BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
>> BUT THEY WOULD BE GRANDFATHER [OVERLAPPING].
>> IF HAVE C1 ZONING, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ROAD.
I'M NOT CHANGING MY ZONING BASED ON THIS OVERLAY.
I STILL HAVE ALL THE RIGHTS UNDER C1.
>> IN WHICH I CAN USE. IF I CHOOSE TO REDEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT THESE, AND I'VE GOT TO USE THESE DESIGNS.
I CAN SAY, I DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH THIS, I CAN GET WHAT I WANT UNDER C1 OR C2 OR WHATEVER I'M ZONED, I WANT TO DO THAT.
>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A RARE INSTANCE.
>>THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE ZONING.
>> BUT THESE ARE REALLY A PLUS TO ME TO DEVELOP WITHIN THE DISTRICT, AS YOU SAY, THEY DO IT UNDER THEIR CURRENT ZONING, WE'RE NOT SAYING THEY.
>> BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO GIVE PEOPLE THE OPTION BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW YET AND THERE MAY BE SOMETHING OUT THERE.
>> WELL, THEY AUTOMATICALLY HAVE THE OPTION, DON'T THEY? LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.
IF YOU'RE IN THE COUNTY NOW AND YOU'RE THE PUTT- PUTT, AND I WANT TO BE ANNEXED IN THE CITY, I GET ANNEX INTO THE CITY.
I USUALLY KEEP YOUR CURRENT ZONING OR SOMETHING AS CLOSE TO IT IN THE CITY.
THERE IS NO REAL OPT OUT, IS THERE?
>> WELL, I JUST THINK WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU'RE TAKING AWAY YOUR RIGHTS UNDER YOUR ZONING.
IT'S JUST IF YOU WANT TO REDEVELOP IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS, YOU HAVE [OVERLAPPING].
>> THESE ARE THE ADDITIONAL INCENTIVES AND RULES THAT.
>> I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TAKE AWAY PEOPLE'S RIGHTS.
>> BUT WHAT'S OFFERING IS A WAY THAT MAYBE THEY MORE EFFECTIVELY OPTIMIZE THE USE OF THAT.
>> OTHERWISE YOU WON'T LEARN THE ZONING CODE.
>> WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF THIS?
>> FOR TO THE DEVELOP TO SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO DEVELOP.
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>> THEY'RE GOING TO GET A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
THEY'RE GOING TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT HELPS.
THE IMPERVIOUS AREA WILL HELP.
THEY WON'T BE 60% WILL BE 90%.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT PARKING STANDARDS, POSSIBLY.
>> THEY'LL BE PART OF THE LARGER [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN INTO THAT PART THE PROCESS IS HUGE.
>> BUT YOU DO ALSO GET INTO A SAFETY ADDITIVE TO IT ON THE PLUS SIDE TOO.
IF YOU START THESE CORRIDORS AND YOU CONSIDER, IF YOU DESIGN THE CORRIDOR WITH IT IN MIND THE FACT THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE ELECTRICAL BIKES OR ELECTRIC BIKES, HOPEFULLY GET MORE NON FOUR WHEEL DRIVE TRANSPORTATION ACTIVITIES GOING ON.
IF YOU CRANK THOSE THINGS IN THOSE ARE ALL PLUSES GOING DOWN THE ROAD, AND IT CERTAINLY WOULDN'T HURT TO HAVE A ORDER GOING FROM THE BEACH DOWN TO H STREET.
>> ON H STREET, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO OPT OUT OF PART OF THE OVERLAY?
>> BECAUSE OF THE ZONING, LIKE HE SAID, IT'S SPECIFICALLY ZONED FOR THAT.
IT'S COVERED UNDER THE ZONING.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THERE GENERAL COMMERCIAL OR C2 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO JUST APPLY IT BECAUSE OF THE ZONING.
IT'S A DIFFERENT ZONING WITH A DIFFERENT OVERLAY.
>> WE'RE NOT TO GOING TO KNOW ALL BUT WHAT IF UNTIL WE DO SOMETHING WITH THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE COULD SIT HERE ALL DAY, AND WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.
>> I THINK A LOT OF GREAT POINTS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.
>> WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? WE TAKE THIS AND WE SEND OUR CHAIR OUT TO GO TALK TO THE CITY COMMISSIONERS ONE BY ONE AND GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM.
>> HAPPY TO DO THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> PUT IT ON THE DISCUSSION MENU.
THAT'S ALL. SHOULD WE MOVE ON FORWARD?
>> I THINK I CAN DO THAT OR DAPHNE CAN DO THAT.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO STOP.
AGAIN, WE'RE PULLING LANGUAGE RIGHT OUT OF NOBODY.
>> WE DID 8TH STREET, WE DIDN'T GO TO THE COMMISSION [OVERLAPPING].
>> THEY SAID AT LEAST IN OUR JOINT MEETING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THINGS BEFORE IT GETS TO THEM SO THAT THEY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE MAKING THE DECISION.
>> JUST TO BE ABLE TO I GUESS, REFRESH THEIR MEMORY ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHY YOU'RE GOING THAT PATH, AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
>> YOU'RE TAKING NOTES, MORGAN? YOU YOU'VE GOT THIS AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEND THIS CAN YOU SEND THAT TO ALL OF US QUICKLY?
>> FROM WHAT I HEARD, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 8TH STREET TO THE BEACH ON TOP ROAD.
>> CAN WE LOOK AT THE FUTURE LANDINGS MAP FOR THE CITY?
>> I CAN MAKE THAT ON GIS AND SEND THAT OVER TO YOU GUYS AS WELL.
>> DO WE WANT TO JUST INCLUDE WHAT'S COMMERCIAL TODAY? BECAUSE I WAS SITTING THERE LOOKING OUT FRONT OF, LIKE, A MILLION LANDINGS AND STUFF, BUT THE LITTLE BIT OF RESIDENTIAL THAT'S OUT THERE, YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T REDEVELOP COMMERCIALLY, IT'S RESIDENTIAL TODAY.
SHOULD WE JUST ENCAPSULATE WHAT IS COMMERCIAL TODAY? I'M ASKING THAT. I DON'T KNOW.
>> I WOULD PUT PUT THE WHOLE OVERLAY QUARTER BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
RESIDENTIAL COULD BECOME COMMERCIAL.
>> IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT LONG TERM, WE WANT IT TO ALWAYS BE RESIDENTIAL RIGHT THERE?
>> IF THEY CHANGE FUTURE LANDS MAP AND THEY MAKE IT COMMERCIAL, THEN THEY COULD READ IT.
>> I GUESS THAT'S, BUT THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT THE CITY EXPECTS TO HAPPEN ON THAT QUARTER.
>> THE ONLY COMMERCIAL THAT'S THERE IS ONE LITTLE PIECE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WELL, THEN WE HAVE THE MIXED USE THAT'S THE NEWER PROPERTY OVER THERE.
>> BUT I ENVISIONED THIS OVERLAY BEING ABLE TO ENCOMPASS A LOT OF THESE DIFFERENT USES AND THINGS.
>> HOW FAR OFF OF SADLER DO WE WANT TO GO LIKE NORTH SOUTH?
>> I WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY UP 14TH STREET, BUT WE ALREADY [LAUGHTER] ALL WAY UP.
>> I THINK WE JUST FOLLOW WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] COUPLE OF DROPS OF IT AND SEND IT TO THE GROUP.
>> DO WE WANT TO INCLUDE ANY COUNTY OR CAN WE INCLUDE COUNTY PROPERTIES?
I GUESS MAYBE WE NEED TO DISCUSS MORE ABOUT THAT.
>> ONLY ON THE ANNEXATION, THEN THEY AUTOMATICALLY MOVE OVER.
>> BUT MARGARET [OVERLAPPING], ARE YOU OFF OF THIS?
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>> YOU WANT TO TAKE OFF. WE CAN TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT NOW FOR YOU.
>> SHE WAS ODD ENOUGH OVER THERE.
>> I THINK WHAT MARGARET WAS SAYING TODAY WAS IS WE SOMEHOW LET PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY KNOW IF YOU EVER WANT TO BE ANNEXED, THIS IS HOW YOU'RE COMING.
>> WHAT A PERFECT TEST CASE FOR THAT CORNER PIECE?
>> SOME WAYS, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY THEY AREN'T IN THE CITY BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY GOT WATER AND SEWER ONE TIME THROUGH THE CITY AND WOULD HAVE SIGNED THE AUTOMATIC ANNEXATION AGREEMENT, BUT SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED THAT, BUT NOT BEEN ANNEXED, BECAUSE NO ONE'S KEPT TRACK OF IT.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? [OVERLAPPING]
I KNOW THAT THEY GOT WATER AND SEWER ON ANNEXATION.
>> WHERE WE WE'RE JUST ESTABLISHING THE MAP.
>> WE'RE GOING TO GET AN MAP DRAFT.
I CAN DO A MAP THAT HAS A HALF MILE BUFFER ON EACH SIDE OF SOUTH THE ROAD, AND SEE HOW THAT LOOKS.
I CAN DO ONE THAT JUST IS ENCAPSULATING THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL AREA.
>> NO. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WE'RE OVERSTEPPING, I THINK.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO STICK WITH THIS MAP RIGHT THERE.
>> ANYTHING THAT'S COMMERCIAL ON THERE. NORTH AND SOUTH.
>> WHAT DO YOU DO THAT THE FAMILIAR DINGS PIECE THAT'S RESIDENTIAL RIGHT THERE, THE LOW DENSITY JUST DRAW A LINE BETWEEN THE TWO REDS, THE?
>> NO, I GO STRAIGHT ACROSS, BUT I'M JUST SAYING ON THE NORTH BOUNDARY.
>> WHY WOULD WE NOT INCLUDE THAT AGAIN?
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT I SAY NO.
I I WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE EVERYTHING ON THAT STREET.
>> THE NORTH AND SOUTH BOUNDARIES SHOULD REPRESENT NOW WHATEVER'S COMMERCIAL ALIGNED THE RESIDENTIAL WITH THE COMMERCIAL ON EITHER SIDE SOMEHOW.
>> SURE I'M TING UP, BUT DO WE CONNECT THE DOT FROM HERE TO HERE?
>> THIS IS WE COULD YOU'RE RUNNING.
>> HI, WHERE DO YOU DRAW THIS LINE?
>> WHERE DO YOU DRAW THAT LINE?
>> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ON, NICK.
>> THIS WILL GO BOOM TO WHERE WE'LL COME DOWN HERE AND GO LIKE THAT, THE BACK OVER.
>> I HAVE A BIG QUESTION. THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY NOW FINDS THE NORTH OR SOUTH PIECE AS PART OF THE OVERLAY WHEN THEY ARE IN A TOTALLY DIFFERENT LAND USE ZONING CATEGORY, ARE WE CREATING A PROBLEM THERE?
>> I THINK WE JUST COVERED THAT A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF HOW THEY WANT TO DEVELOP IT NOW? WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY THEIR EXISTING RIGHTS?
>> NO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU DRAW THE WHAT.
THE OVERLAY SHOULD ONLY IN IN MY MIND, SHOULD ONLY INCLUDE THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE COMMERCIAL OF SOME SORT ON THAT LINE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN PUT IT WITH THESE PROPERTIES EXISTING NEXT TO IT, BECAUSE IF IT'S, FOR EXAMPLE, RESIDENTIAL, AND NOW WE'RE IN A WHATEVER OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CREATES ANOTHER ISSUE OR UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE.
>> I THINK IS THAT THE CASE WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE IF THEY WERE TO REZONE IT.
IF IT WENT FROM MAYBE OUR MAP DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE CONNECTIONS ON EVERY END.
I THINK IT ONLY HAS TO BE ALL OF THOSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
>> THE RED IS C. I DON'T CARE WHICH ONES.
IF THE YELLOW IS SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, I WANT TO REZONE THE COMMERCIAL.
>> GO INTO THE OVERLAY. THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CHOICE.
>> WELL, NOW, THEY WOULD REZONE TO AN ACTUAL ZONING.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S THERE TODAY? THEY WOULDN'T BE SUBJECT TO THAT?
>> THAT'S TRUE. IT'S FOR COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT ONLY.
IT VACANT WIDED COMMERCIAL AREAS TO BE REDEVELOPED.
>> IT IN THE OVERLAY, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO CHANGE.
>> THE ZONE RESIDENTIAL, SO WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY.
>> WHAT WOULD WE JUST SAY FOR EXISTING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ACCESS TO SADLER ROAD AND NOT DRAW THEM OUT?
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>> I THINK WE NEED WE NEED A MAP.
>> YOU NEED A MAP AT SOME POINT.
>> MAP MAY BE DISJOINTED WHERE WE DON'T INCLUDE.
>>WELL, THEY MAY NOT HAVE CONNECTIONS DRAWING OF PIECES OF THE AREA TO SHOW THEM, AND THEN WE CAN GET INTO THE FINAL.
>> IF YOUR MAP INCLUDES EVERY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY UP THERE.
THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO CONNECT ON BOTH SIDES.
>> THAT COULD BE PART OF OUR EXPLANATION.
NO, THIS IS THE OVERLAY FOR COMMERCIAL.
WE'RE DOING ANYTHING WITH RESIDENT.
>> WE COULD PUT SOMETHING IN OUR DOCUMENT THAT SAYS THOSE PROPERTIES CURRENTLY ZONED OTHER THAN COMMERCIAL, CAN ENTER INTO THE DISTRICT WHATEVER WE WANT.
IF WE HAVE THINK IF THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS ALONG SADLER.
THERE SHOULD BE SOME PROVISION IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS WHOLE NICE PLAN FOR THEM TO ENTER INTO OR WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A BIG PROCESS OR TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THEIR EXISTING USE?
>> WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE ZONING DOES THAT.
WHY, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE USE.
>> BUT IF THEY'RE PART OF THE OVERLAY, THEY CAN STILL THAT DOES WITHOUT SAYING IF YOU'RE PART OF THE OVERLAY IN YOUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, THESE RULES OR YOUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THESE RULES APPLY TO YOU.
IF YOU'RE PART OF THE OVERLAY, YOU'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, THIS IS A COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT SCENARIO.
>> BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A MAP, BUT YOU'RE IN THE IN OR OUT.
>> SURE. YOU'RE IN OR OUT, BUT YOU STILL HAVE GUIDELINES TO FALL.
YOU'RE EITHER COMMERCIAL OR YOUR RESIDENTIAL.
IF YOU'RE COMMERCIAL THIS FALLS UNDER THIS, YOUR RESIDENTIAL, IT DOESN'T APPLY, PERIOD.
>> BUT RIGHT NOW, I THINK TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, OUR MAP CAN ONLY INCLUDE THOSE PROPERTIES THAT IS OWN COMMERCIAL BETWEEN THAT EAST AND WEST QUARTERS THAT WE'VE OUTLINED.
>> WE CAN WE'LL GET YOU A LITTLE.
>> IT REALLY DOESN'T AFFECT THAT PROPERTY.
IT ACTUALLY, WHAT IT DOES IS IF SOMEONE WANTS TO REDEVELOP THE RESIDENTIAL AS COMMERCIAL.
THEY CAN DO IT RESIDENTIAL AND THERE'S NO PROBLEM IT.
BUT IF THEY CHOSE TO, IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU GAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PRE APPROVAL.
>> BUT THEY NONCOMPLYING EASILY.
KEEP IN MIND THEY WOULD POTENTIALLY BE A NON COMPLYING USE.
>> I WOULD NOT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE ZONING.
THE ZONING REMAINS RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S JUST AN OVERLAY ON THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
>> IT WOULD NOT CREATE PROPER.
>> WHEN I DRAW THE BOUND, I HAD TO EXCLUDE COUNTY PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> NO. I'D SAY WE INCLUDED ALL.
>> IDENTIFY. I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AHEAD STAY WITHIN.
>> OWNERSHIP BOUNDARIES, I WOULD SAY.
YES. BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO SPLIT A PROPERTY WITH THAT.
WHATEVER THE OWNERSHIP IS ON LAKEWOOD, AGREED STAY WITHIN THAT BOUNDARY.
>> WE CAN COME UP WITH THE MAP.
>> AT LEAST ALL THE LINES WOULD CONNECT TO FROM THE BOTTOM.
>> THE NEXT STEP IS TO GET THIS INFORMATION TO.
>> YOU WANT THE MAP, AND THEN YOU WANT YOUR OUTLINE.
>> YES. INSERTING THE LANGUAGE THAT WE PULLED FROM.
WE KNEW TO ESTABLISH OUR NEXT MEETING.
>> DO YOU MORGAN HEAVEN THE NOTES THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SEVE ROAD CORRIDOR FIRST, AND THEN LATER, WE WILL TAKE THE 14TH STREET CORRIDOR IF THIS GOES ACCORDING TO.
>> THE EIGHTH STREET. WE WANT TO.
>> WE WANT TO DO 14TH STREET AT EIGHTH STREET.
>> THIS ONE TO THE HE SHOULD BE ONE, BUT YOU SAID TWO, SO.
>> CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ALSO YOU CAN DEVELOP YOUR SO WE CAN TAKE AWAY THE R.
>> WITH THE OR EITHER TURTLE SAFE OR WILDLIFE SAFE LIGHTING.
I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE HEARD IN THIS GROUP AND AT CITY COMMISSION AND CONSERVATION GROUPS.
I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN INCLUDING IN THIS.
>> I KNOW YOU SAID SAFE OR WILDLIFE SAFE LIGHTING.
>> I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE A DESIGN STANDARD WE WOULD DO LATER.
>> I WILL SAY THAT'S A VERY LOST SEA TURTLE, THEY MAKE IT ALL THE WAY UP.
>> I DON'T KNOW. I SEE QUITE A FEW POSSUMS DEAD ON SADLER ROAD, TOO.
>> WELL, TO ME, THEY'RE RIGHT THERE.
AND WITH PUBLICS CLOSED, IT'S GOING TO PULL THEM A LOT CLOSER NOW.
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I BET THAT THERE ARE CHANGES IN THE WIN DIX SHOPPING CENTER BECAUSE PUBLIC IS GONE, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE PEOPLE THERE.THERE'S GOING TO BE IS OPENING UP OR SOMEONE THE ISLAND.
>> MARK SAY WHEN DIXIE'S IT'S GOING TO A CHANGE OF NAME.
>> THEY'RE TO TRADE TO TENANT SPACE, WHICH IS WHY THIS IS VERY.
>> WHEN DIXIE SOLD IT TO ALL THESE TO BE TURN AROUND AND SOLD IT TO PART OF THEMSELF AND OTHERS.
>> WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THAT.
>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SELLING IT.
>> WELL THEY WAY OWN WINN-DIXIE NOW. ALL THESE RIGHT.
>> BUT THEY'VE ALSO SOLD IT TO A DIFFERENT CORPORATION.
IT'S MADE UP OF ALL THE MOTHERS.
>> WHEN DIXIE AND HALF, BASICALLY, HALF IS BIG.
AND THEY'LL HAVE A NEW TENANTS SPACE ON ONE SIDE.
>> THEY'VE ALREADY COME SUGGESTING A CHANGE IN THERE?
>> THEY'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED PLANS.
>> TWO SPACES? ALDI ON ONE SIDE AND A DIFFERENT PERSON ON THE OTHER.
>> ALDI ON ONE SIDE AND WINN-DIXIE ON THE OTHER.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WINN-DIXIE VACANT TENANT RIGHT NOW.
>> THEY'RE JUST GOING TO DO IT GOES AWAY.
>> NONE OF THE OTHERS IN THE CENTER.
>> THE WHOLE SPACE THAT WHEN DIXIE'S IN WILL NOW BE TO SPACE STORE IN.
>> HOW A W WAS GOING TO CREATE CHANGES ON THE REST OF THEM.
>> WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE QUICKLY.
MY POINT IS THAT SO MANY CHANGES ARE OCCURRING IN THE CITY NOW AND IN THE NEXT TEN OR 15 YEARS THAT WE CAN'T ANTICIPATE ALL OF THAT. THAT'S RIGHT.
WE HAVE TO ALLOW SOME DEVELOPMENT FLEXIBILITY AND FLEXIBILITY WITH THE STAFF IN ORDER TO CARRY OUT THE WISHES OF THE RESIDENTS, THE COMMISSION AND DON'T GET TO HURRY AND GET THIS ONE DONE.
>> TIME WE HERE TO I'M AT THIS PROJECT.
>> YOU ALWAYS WANT TO LEAVE. I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THIS GET IT DONE.
>> I THINK THE GOOD THING ABOUT GETTING THIS SADLER ROAD ONE DONE IS NOT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE COOKIE CUTTER, BUT I THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE A FRAMEWORK TO APPLY TO 14TH AND EIGHTH STREET.
ESPECIALLY IF WE GET FEEDBACK FROM A COMMISSION THAT SAYS WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
IF WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK, THEN I THINK IT'LL BE A FASTER.
>> WE JUST BREAK THIS DOWN IN A SMALL CHUNKS. WE DO EACH CHUNK AT IT.
WE HAVE BECAUSE THE BIG THING IS WE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT HAS TO BE NOTICED SO WE CAN HAVE TWO OR THREE MEETINGS A MONTH, TAKE CARE OF THAT PROCESS, TO COME IN, MEET FOR AN HOUR, TWO HOURS, WHATEVER IT IS, AND TAKE EACH PIECE.
>> GET IT DONE AND THEN STAND BACK AND WATCH THEM DESTROY IT.
>> NO, I DON'T MEAN THAT, BUT WHEN PEOPLE COME IN SORRY BEFORE WE LOSE SIGHT OF IT, WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF IOUS.
>> WELL, WE STILL HAVE TO SET OUR NEXT MEETING TIME 405.
>> WE HAVE GOT TO WORK I'M WORKING ON THAT WITH KELLY.
>> DON'T COME TO THE BOARD. BUT THAT'S IN PROCESS. YES.
>> I WILL MAKE ONE SUGGESTION ON THAT SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, AND I DIDN'T.
WAS THAT I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WITHIN THE CODE, IT SAYS THAT ANY 25 FOOT LOT CAN BE DEVELOPED.
THAT WAS NOT OUR INTENT WHEN WE WROTE THAT.
THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS BECAUSE IT EXISTS IN THERE.
SO ONE THING I WOULD SUGGEST AND HOPEFULLY WE DO IT IS THAT ANY 25 ADD JUST TO ANY 25 FOOT LOT THAT HAS PREVIOUSLY NOT BEEN CONNECTED OR PART OF A LARGER PARCEL CAN BE DEVELOPED.
OTHERWISE, WE GO BACK TO 50 FOOT MINIMUM LOTS AND SOME OTHER THINGS.
SO RIGHT NOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS IF YOU GOT FIVE LOTS THERE YOU CAN F FIVE DIFFERENT HOUSES ON 25 FOOT LOT, WHICH WAS THE DENSITY WE DIDN'T WANT.
AN CASE. I STILL HAVE TO TALK TO KELLY ABOUT IT, AND THERE'S ANYWAY, I'M BEING TOLD NO MORE THAN I'M BEING TOLD? YES. AND BECAUSE OF INTERPRETATIONS OVER THE YEAR.
>> THANKS FOR WORKING WITH HER ON THAT.
>> SO I THINK WE KNOW NEXT STEPS.
OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING IS WHENEVER IT IS 14TH
>> WHEN WITH THIS NEXT THERE YOU GO.
>> WELL, WE STILL KEEP THIS WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
IF YOU GUYS WITH ALL THIS INPUT, WANT TO TAKE IT.
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>> WE, WE HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE WHEN YOU WANT TO MEET NEXT? TWO WEEK.
>> THIS WILL BE THE THREE PERSONAL SUBCOMMITTEE.
>> CAN I TELL SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
I KNOW THERE'S A SUBCOMMITTEE.
TO ME, OVER THE YEARS, IF YOU'RE ON THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU CAN ATTEND.
BUT WHEN YOU SAY THREE, IT SEEMS TO WANT TO LIMIT THAT.
>> I'M JUST SAYING YOU'RE THE SUBCOMMITTEE. YOU'RE DOING THE WORK.
ANYBODY CAN T. BUT MY ENCOURAGEMENT TO THE REST OF THE BOARD IS TO LET THE SUBCOMMITTEE DO THE WORK BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE CHANCE TO COMMENT ON IT.
WE'RE GOING TO GET THE CHANCE TO INTERACT ON IT.
>> TODAY, LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMENTS THAT ARE MADE FROM DIXIE THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. THERE'S NO SENSE HAVING A BIG MEANING AND PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND.
>> I USE 14 MAY 14TH OF MAY REGULAR MEETING YOUR OWN MEETING, AND YOU WERE WELCOME TO COME TO THAT MEET.
>> AND YOU WANT TO MEET BEFORE OR AFTER THAT? WELL, YOU CAN MEET ON THE 28TH MEMORIAL.
>> YOU CAN MEET ANYTIME AS A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WE HAVE A ROOM AVAILABLE.
>> WHAT ABOUT MAY 7? THAT GIVES YOU TIME TO ADVERTISE AND IT'S A WEDNESDAY.
AN WEDNESDAYS USUALLY THE ONLY DAY THAT IT'S GOOD?
>> WEDNESDAY AT ONE, DOES THAT WORK?
>> DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU, MAY 7TH?
>> WEDNESDAY. WEDNESDAY. 1:00 P.M. 1:00 P.M.
>> MAY SIDE DEFINITELY WILL NOT BE THAT I'VE GOT A CONFLICT ON THAT.
>> I WON'T BE AT THE NEXT PLAN REGULAR MEETING.
>> WHERE ARE WE GOING TO MEET? BECAUSE WE CAN MEET IN THIS ROOM OR, YOU CAN HAVE A CONFERENCE ROOM UPSTAIRS WE HAVE MET IN THE PAST.
>> RECORDING. IT'S ONLY S HERE.
WE NEED TO MEET HERE FOR RECORDING PURPOSES.
>> THEY USED TO HAVE RECORDINGS UPSTAIRS.
>> I DON'T THINK THEY DO ANYMORE. ONE O'CLOCK.
>> I THINK WE MADE GOOD PROGRESS.
WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.