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>> THIS IS THE APRIL 9TH MEETING OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD,
[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
WE'RE AT CITY HALL IN FERNANDINA BEACH.WAMEY, MAY YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
>> VICE CHAIR FOREHAND IS ABSENT.
>> MARK, COULD YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE?
>> DO WE WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE SPEAK NOW OR WHEN WE GET TO THE ITEMS?
>> WE'LL WAIT TILL WE GET TO THE ITEMS. MARK YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE US THROUGH.
[3.1 Approval of Minutes from the Regular Meeting of March 12, 2025.]
>> YOU WANT TO DO THE MINUTES?
>> I BEG YOUR PARDON. [OVERLAPPING]
>> ANYONE SEE ANYTHING ON LAST MONTH'S MINUTES TAKE A PARDON.
>> I HAVE A CORRECTION ON THE, I GUESS, IT'S THE SECOND PAGE WOULD BE 1, 02, 3, 4, 5 FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE WHERE IT SAYS, ACTION TAKEN 1, 2, 3, 04, 5, WHERE IT SAYS CHAIR FOR HAND.
I KNOW SHE MAY BE CHAIR ONE DAY, BUT RIGHT NOW SHE IS VICE CHAIR, SO I THINK WE NEED TO INDICATE THAT SHE'S VICE CHAIR.
OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I SAW.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED.
I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS THROUGH.
[4.1 PAB CASE 2025-0001: RON FLICK AGENT FOR FERNANDINA BEACH REALTY, INC., BEACHSIDE MOTEL - Requesting a Future Land Use Map amendment from High Density Residential (HDR) to General Commercial (GC) and requesting a Zoning Map change from High Density Residential (R-3) zoning district to the General Commercial (C-2) zoning district for approximately 1.11 acres of land located at 3172 S. Fletcher Avenue and identified as the Beachside Motel. ]
>> I'M MARGARET PEARSON, I'M THE SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE CITY.
RON FLICK IS AGENT FOR FERNANDINA BEACH REALTY COMPANY, BEACHSIDE MOTEL.
THE REQUEST IS A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT FROM HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL, AND THE REQUEST A ZONING MAP OBTAINED FROM HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE APPROXIMATELY 1.11 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED 3172 SOUTH FLETCHER AVENUE, AND AS IDENTIFIED AS BEACHSIDE MOTEL.
I BELIEVE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, THEY HAVE REQUESTED TO ADDRESS THE BOARD, PERHAPS TABLING THE CASE.
I WILL DEFER TO THEM AT THIS POINT.
>> CHAIR, RON FLICK, 86119 SHELTER ISLAND DRIVE, FERNANDINA BEACH.
WE'VE REVIEWED THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH CAME AFTER THE ONE WEEK ISSUE.
THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO BE ON THE REPORT.
THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT DEFICITS OF INFORMATION IN THE REPORT, AND WE HAVE TO MEET WITH STAFF AND WORK ON COMPLETING IT AND OFFERING SOME MORE EVIDENCE FOR CONSIDERATION.
WE THEREFORE ASKED THAT THIS BE TABLED FOR THE PERIOD UNTIL THE NEXT SESSION, WHICH IS MAY 16.
>> YOU'LL GET THE OTHER TOGETHER. WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR [OVERLAPPING]
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE PAB CASE 2025-0001 UNTIL THE MAY 14 PLANNING ADVISORY REPORT MEETING.
>> WE'LL COME THERE. ANY OBJECTION TO THE MOTION?
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> NOW WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
>> PUBLIC COMMENTS. PAM BRENNER.
>> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU, CHAIR.
PAM BRENNER OF 104 IDER COURT.
WE'RE ACROSS THE STREET BEHIND THE SURF, ALMOST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE BEACH MOTEL, THEY'RE GREAT NEIGHBORS.
WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT IN THEIR R3 ZONING, THE RESIDENTIAL, THAT THEY'RE NON-CONFORMING, AND WE COULD CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHY THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING AT CHANGING TO COMMERCIAL.
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WE ARE SOMEWHAT CONFUSED.WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR A COMMERCIAL 2 ZONING VERSUS COMMERCIAL 1.
IF IT WAS APPROVED, AS WE READ IT, THEN THEY WOULD BE THE ONLY PLACE ON THE WHOLE BEACH THAT WOULD BE IN COMMERCIAL 2 ZONING.
I FEEL LIKE I'M AT A DISADVANTAGE.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE STAFF REPORT, AND WE'RE NOT CERTAIN WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE.
WE'RE CERTAINLY SUPPORTIVE OF THEM AS A MOTEL AND POSSIBLY EVEN A C1 ZONING, BUT WE'D JUST LIKE TO LEARN A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU.
>> I THINK DO THAT BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MONTH.
>> WELL, WE SEE STAFF REPORTS OR THEIR INTENTIONS BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MONTH.
>> A STAFF REPORT IS IN THE PACKET, WHICH IS AVAILABLE ONLINE A WEEK BEFORE THE MEETING ON OUR WEBSITE.
>> I CAN PARTIALLY RESPOND TO A LOT OF THAT, PART OF IT IS [OVERLAPPING]
>> NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN. SINCE WE'VE TAKEN THAT.
>> CAN WE JUST DO THAT NEXT TIME?
>> SURE. THEY WERE JUST ASKING.
>> PART OF THE DISCUSSION HAS EVOLVED TO C1 BY PREFERENCE, AND THAT'S FINE WITH US.
IT'S JUST WE HAVE TO CLARIFY SOME OTHER HISTORY THAT'S NOT BEEN PROVIDED IN THE PACKAGE.
THOSE ARE THE TWO ACTIONS THAT WE'RE AFTER.
>> NO. I WAS JUST GOING TO CLARIFY THAT I THINK A LOT OF THIS CAN GET FLUSHED OUT IN THE DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF AND MAYBE WE CAN PROVIDE THEM WITH THE WEBSITE LINK, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO ACCESS IT BECAUSE IT DOES GET CONFUSING WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO NAVIGATE AROUND THE WEBSITE.
>> WE CAN SEND YOU. WE HAVE INFORMATION.
>> IF YOU GO IN AND LOOK ON THE CALENDAR FOR THE CITY FOR THE PAB, AND YOU CLICK ON THAT NEXT MEETING, WHEN YOU GET WITHIN A WEEK, IT'S GOING TO BRING UP A MENU WHERE YOU GO AND LOOK AT JUST THE AGENDA OR DOWN BELOW, THERE'LL BE LIKE A DATA PACK.
JUST CLICK ON THAT ONE. THAT'S GOING TO HAVE EVERYTHING THAT WE SEE, SO IT'S GOT ALL THE STUFF.
YOU CAN PRINT IT OUT IF YOU WANT TO OR YOU CAN JUST LEAVE IT ON YOUR COMPUTER.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY STAFF.
SINCE LIT LOCAL IS A PROBLEM OR A POTENTIAL PROBLEM, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD BE SCHEDULING OR TALKING ABOUT OR IS THERE ANY CHANGES THAT WE CAN MAKE OR PUT ANYTHING IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE CITY FROM EXCESS DENSITY IN PLACES THAT'S UNWANTED? I DON'T KNOW.
THIS IS JUST SOMETHING STATE DID AND LIVE WITH IT, NO MATTER WHAT?
>> YEAH, I THINK IT'S PRETTY LIMITED.
>> GOOD, MR. CHAIR. YOU CAN'T PUT LIT LOCAL IN AN R3 ZONING AREA, IT HAS TO BE A COMMERCIAL.
I THINK THAT IT'S [OVERLAPPING]
>> OR MU. I THINK THAT THIS BOARD HAS TO CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT AS A POTENTIAL, SINCE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF DETAIL ON WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR THIS PARCEL.
I THINK WE ALWAYS HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THE POSSIBILITY IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE SOMETHING FROM AN R3 TO ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL ZONING, WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THE POTENTIAL OF IT BEING TURNED INTO A LIVE LOCAL PROJECT, WHICH REALLY GOES PAST US, DOESN'T EVEN COME BEFORE US.
IT GOES DIRECTLY THROUGH STAFF AS AN APPROVAL PROCESS.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT WHEN WE CONSIDER ANY CHANGES IN ZONING TO COMMERCIAL.
>> OR THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO AND DOCUMENT. I'M GIVING THEM ALL.
>> WELL, NO. THE ANSWER IS NO.
THERE IS A VIDEO FROM THE THOUSAND FRIENDS OF FLORIDA THAT WILL GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE ON IT.
NOW, ANYBODY IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE SOME SET OF BIASES IN IT.
BUT IF YOU JUST LOOK AT A TRY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE LIB LOCAL ACT IS, THAT WOULD AT LEAST GIVE YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE.
YOU JUST HAVE TO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL HOW THINGS ARE PRESENTED, BUT IT MIGHT HAVE A GOOD OR BE USED AS A GOOD BUILDING BLOCK FOR FOUNDATION.
JUST DON'T TAKE EVERYTHING EXACTLY LITERAL.
>> CAN I JUST MAKE ONE QUICK COMMENT.
WELL, I DO THINK THAT ANYTHING WITH
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COMMERCIAL OR MIXED LAND USE MAYBE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME LIVE LOCAL.I REALLY DOUBT THAT OCEAN FRONT PROPERTY IS THE CANDIDATE FOR LIVE LOCAL BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE THERE.
>> THEN I WILL ALSO SAY, WHAT A GREAT CANDIDATE FOR PD. [LAUGHTER]
>> I THINK WE'RE CLOSED ON THAT ISSUE, YOU'LL TAKE US THROUGH.
>> UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER PUBLIC TO SPEAK?
>> I HAVE NOTHING ELSE ON THAT ISSUE.
LIND, YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SPEAK BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS? THIS IS ON THE NEXT BUSINESS. YES.
>> I SAID WE'RE FINISHED BEFORE PROGRAM.
>> I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND HAVE YOU AND MARGARET.
>> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO OLD BUSINESS AND YOU'RE SPEAKING INSTEAD OF.
I'M GOING TO LET YOU SPEAK BEFORE WE DISCUSS IT SO WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING.
THIS IS WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO OLD BUSINESS.
[5.1 PAB DISCUSSION OF LANDSCAPING, BUFFERS, AND TREE PROTECTION TEXT AMENDMENT RECOMMENDATIONS]
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO OLD BUSINESS ON LANDSCAPE AND BUFFERS.I HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK RELATED TO THIS.
I THOUGHT WE WOULD HEAR THEM BEFORE WE GET INTO OURS.
>> WE CAN HEAR THE CASE FIRST [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, THIS IS A CASE WE OCCURRED JUST LIKE THE FUD.
IN YOUR PRIORITY LIST, YOU WERE GOING TO TRY TO RESOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES AND MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF THESE OUTSTANDING TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE.
THE NEXT ONE ON YOUR LIST WAS THE LANDSCAPING. JUST THE RECAP.
THIS IS A DISCUSSION TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER ADJUSTMENTS OR AMENDMENTS OR ADDITIONS THAT YOU WANTED US TO ADD.
BUT STAFF ALSO HAS RECOGNIZED A FEW THINGS IN THE INTERIM THAT WE'VE ADDED IN HERE.
JUST TO RECAP, THE CHANGES ARE TO THE LENGTH 4.05 WHICH IS THE LANDSCAPING BUFFER AND TREE PROTECTION.
THE FIRST SECTION THAT'S BEING REVISED IS 4.05-01, THE GENERAL, AND THIS IS JUST TO REQUIRE THE USE OF FLORIDA-FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING PRINCIPLES IN REQUIRING LANDSCAPING DESIGN RATHER THAN ENCOURAGING IT.
THERE'S A FURTHER EXPLANATION IN YOUR PACKET.
YOU'VE REVIEWED THIS BEFORE, BUT JUST TO RECAP THAT.
ANOTHER SECTION CHANGE IS 4.05-02, AND THAT IS A CONTRADICTION IN THE ORDINANCE.
WE WANTED TO CLEAR UP THAT CONTRADICTION IS REMOVAL OF PROHIBITED INVASION TREES IDENTIFIED ON THE MOST RECENT FLORIDA EXOTIC PET PLAN CASTLE EVASIVE TREE.
THERE'S A CONFLICT WITH OUR 4.05-03.
THE NEXT SECTION, WE'VE ADDED A FEW THINGS AND UNDER LANDSCAPING MATERIAL STANDARDS.
UNDER THAT EXPLANATION, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE LDC SECTION, SERVES TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE CURRENT LANGUAGE FOR REFERENCES, AGAIN, TO THE FLORIDA INVASIVE SPECIES COUNCIL.
PLANT LIST SINCE THAT ORGANIZATION HAS CHANGED NAME, SO THERE'S SOME FURTHER EXPLANATION THERE.
BUT WE DID ADD A SECTION ON CLARIFYING ON HOW STAFF INTERPRETS THE USE OF APPLYING THE MINIMUM STANDARDS WHEN WE'RE USING POP.
THAT LANGUAGE IS IN THERE THAT STATES THAT WHEN A PALM TREES ARE BEING USED TO SATISFY THE MINIMUM LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT, THREE PALM TREES SHALL COUNT AS ONE SHADE TREE FOR A TOTAL OF 2.5 " MINIMUM LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT.
WE JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IT WAS ALSO NUMBER, BUT IT WAS THE DIAMETER. CLARIFY THAT.
THEN ON THE NEXT SECTION OF 4.5-04 REQUIRED LANDSCAPING FOR PLANTS.
THIS PROPOSED CHANGES SERVE SOLELY TO USE PLAIN LANGUAGE DIRECTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE MOST RECENT AMENDMENT TO THESE SECTIONS WERE FULLY VETTED AND APPROVED IN 2021.
THERE ARE NO DIRECTIVE PROPOSED CHANGES, BUT JUST TO CLEAR UP SOME OF THE WORDING THAT THERE WAS A PREFERENCE FOR.
THEN IF YOU GO TO SECTION 4.05-06 ABOUT MINIMUM SLIDES FOR NON RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
AGAIN, I'M JUST CLEANING UP SOME WORDING, BUT ALSO THE PROPOSED CHANGE SERVES TO ENCOURAGE THE OVERALL HEALTH OF THE CITY'S EXISTING CANOPY AND RETAIN EXISTING HEALTHY TREES AND AVOID OVERCROWDING AND SUPPORTING UNDERSTORY PLANTINGS AND HEADING CONSIDERATION EXISTING ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS SUCH AS LIGHT AND WATER AND EXISTING ADJACENT BUILDINGS.
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WHAT IT BASICALLY SAYS IS THAT THE RELOCATION OR MITIGATION OF EXISTING HEALTHY TREES ON A PROJECT SITE, MEASURING AT LEAST 2.5 IN DIAMETER AND AT LEAST SIX FEET AT LEAST EIGHT FEET TALL MAY BE RELOCATED OR MITIGATED ON THE SITE FOR USE AS CREDIT TO SATISFY THE MINIMUM LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT.THAT IS HOW SAP INTERPRETS IT NOW.
WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLARIFIED.
THEN ONE OF THE NEW SECTIONS IS ABOUT THE PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING.
>> WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT ON OFF-STREET PARKING LOTS, THAT THE LANDSCAPING STANDARDS WON'T KICK IN UNTIL THERE'S NINE SPACES.
CURRENTLY, WHEN YOU HAVE 10, YOU AUTOMATICALLY HAVE TO HAVE A LANDSCAPE ISLAND BETWEEN THEM.
WE'VE SAID JUST TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT WE WOULD NOT KICK IT IN UNTIL NINE SPACES AND THAT ALSO THE PERIMETER LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS ARE REDUCED TO A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, OR EIGHTH STREET.
AGAIN, THIS IS DIRECTED TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT ALONG EIGHTH STREET, AND ALSO JUST TO LINE WHEN LANDSCAPING IS REALLY REQUIRED FOR A PARKING LOT.
THERE'S AN EXPLANATION THERE AS WELL.
I THINK THAT COVERS SOME IN THE HARDSHIP RELIEF, WHICH IS THE LAST SECTION, AND IT JUST SERVES TO ELIMINATE THE TERM CHAPTER AS IT HAS POTENTIALLY TO BE ARGUABLY APPLIED TO THE ENTIRE CHAPTER OF CHAPTER 4, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE.
THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN SECTIONS THAT IT APPLIES TO.
JUST HAVE A RECAP AND ALSO THE ADDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS MADE.
WE TRIED TO CLARIFY IN THE REDS AND YOU'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WAS CHANGED FROM BEFORE AND WHAT IS NEED CHANGES FROM THIS TIME.
THIS IS JUST FOR DISCUSSION TO SEE IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT OR BRING BACK SOMETHING FOR YOU TO REVIEW AGAIN AS A REMINDER, THOUGH WE WOULDN'T BRING THE FINAL VERSION IS BACK TILL JUNE.
THE FUTURE OF THIS IS DISCUSSION.
WHATEVER WE DISCUSS, IF THERE ARE CHANGES AND WHAT WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, WE MIGHT LOOK AT THIS ONE MORE TIME AND THEN A FINAL VERSION IN THE FUTURE. YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS?
>> WE TALKED ABOUT THE FLORIDA-FRIENDLY VERSUS NATIVE PLANTS AND ADDING THAT TO THIS AND TAKING OUT FLORIDA-FRIENDLY.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN HERE ABOUT NATIVE PLANTS EXCEPT MAYBE ONE AREA THAT SAYS NATIVE AND FLORIDA-FRIENDLY.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE KEEP GOING BACK TO FLORIDA-FRIENDLY.
IS THERE A LIST OF FLORIDA-FRIENDLY PLANTS THAT YOU UTILIZE? I ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE IF YOU GO ON THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH WEBSITE, THERE'S A NATIVE AND INVASIVE SPECIES RESOURCES LINK, WHICH ALSO SHOWS NATIVE PLANTS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA INSTITUTE OF FOOD AND AGRICULTURAL SERVICES, ALSO A FLORIDA NATIVE PLANT SOCIETY.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE KEEP GOING TO FLORIDA-FRIENDLY WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE A WEBSITE WHICH DENOTES NATIVE PLANTS THAT WE LIKE AS PART OF THE CITY, WHY DON'T WE HAVE NATIVE PLANTS IN REFERENCE IN THAT WEBSITE?
>> I LEAVE KELLY OFF THE FIRST VIEW, I GUESS.
SOME OF THE CONVERSATION THAT MAYBE WE HAD WHEN THE WE DRAFTED ORIGINALLY.
>> WELL, IN ONE OF OUR MEETINGS, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SAID THAT FLORIDA-FRIENDLY PLANTS ARE NOT OFF FLORIDA-FRIENDLY FOR FERNANDINA BEACH, AND WE OUGHT TO GO TO NATIVE PLANTS.
THAT HELPS THE WHOLE ECOSYSTEM THAT WE'RE DESTROYING OR TRYING TO REMODIFY.
[OVERLAPPING] ASKING THAT QUESTION OF THEM BECAUSE THEY KEEP PUTTING IT IN HERE AND WE KEEP ASKING THAT.
>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR DISCUSSION JUST AS SOON AS WE HEAR SO THAT CAN.
>> I WOULDN'T KNOW WHY THEY DON'T ADD THAT WHEN WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO THAT.
>> I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE BACK HERE NOW BECAUSE IT WENT TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND MAYBE SOME OF THAT SAME CONVERSATION THEY WANT YOU TO HAVE AGAIN.
>> [OVERLAPPING] LET'S ONE SPEAK AND THEN WE CAN ASK ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS AND GET THEM ANSWERED.
>> THERE'S TWO PART OF PIECE TO THIS.
>> N. PEARLSTEIN, 1521 FRANKLIN STREET.
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MARK'S COMMENTS ARE DIRECTLY GREAT SEG.I WAS GOING TO SPEAK TO SOME CONCERNS WITH FLORIDA-FRIENDLY, AND I'M GOING TO TRY AND JUST KEEP A VERY NARROW FOCUS ON THAT BECAUSE I SUPPORT IFAS'S LANDSCAPING PRINCIPLES AND THE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESEARCH AND OUTREACH THAT THEY DO.
THEY'RE A FIRST SOURCE FOR A LOT OF INFORMATION ON A HUGE NUMBER OF THINGS INCLUDING PLANT SCIENCE.
AS A RESULT OF THAT, THEY HAVE BECOME ALMOST A DEFAULT FOR A LOT OF COMMUNITIES DECIDING PLANT LIST OF WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE, AND THAT'S WHY FLORIDA-FRIENDLY KEEPS COMING UP.
I THINK A LARGER NUMBER OF US DO HAVE A CONCERN THOUGH THAT THAT PLANT LIST BEYOND JUST THE HORTICULTURAL BEST PRACTICES IS A BIT OF A MISNOMER.
THEIR PLANT LIST YOU CAN FIND IT ON THEIR WEBSITE, IFAS FLORIDA-FRIENDLY, AND YOU CAN SEARCH BY ZIP CODE OR AREA AND BY PLANT TYPES, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO GET SPECIES THAT ARE NATIVE AND SPECIES THAT ARE NON-NATIVE WITH VERY LITTLE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THEM.
THE SITE ITSELF TELLS YOU WHETHER THE PLANT IS NATIVE OR NOT, BUT IT REALLY IS SECONDARY.
IT DOESN'T PUT ANY EMPHASIS ON THAT.
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, HOPEFULLY, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
PLANTING CREATE MYRTLE AND FOX TILL FERN IS ORNAMENTAL, BUT IT DOES NOTHING MORE FOR WILDLIFE AND POLLINATORS AND OUR INVERTEBRATES THAN PLANTING TELEPHONE POLES.
IT JUST DOESN'T SUPPORT BIODIVERSITY.
IT DOESN'T SUPPORT WILDLIFE QUARTERS.
IT DOESN'T SUPPORT HEALTHY CANOPY.
SIMILARLY, AS I THINK YOU'RE ALLUDING TO IT, IT DOESN'T REPRESENT A SENSE OF PLACE FOR FERNANDINA BEACH.
IF YOU'RE PLANTING ROSA CRAIG MYRTLE OR OTHER ORNAMENTAL FLOWERING TREES THAT ARE NON-NATIVE DOWN THE STREETS, THEN YOU CAN BE IN ANYWHERE USA.
I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE AND IT'S BASED ON EMPIRICAL SCIENCE, ALTHOUGH THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER LONG DISCUSSION IS THAT YOU WANT TO AT LEAST CITY OWNED PROPERTY, REQUIRE NATIVE PLANTS, NOT FLORIDA-FRIENDLY PLANTS FOR AT LEAST 70% OF THE LANDSCAPE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M AGAINST NON-NATIVES.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY HAVE ORNAMENTALS, BUT YOU JUST NEED TO BE AWARE THAT THEY ARE ORNAMENTAL.
THEY'RE DECORATIONS IN THE LANDSCAPE.
THEY'RE NOT HELPING THE CITY'S BIODIVERSITY OR WILDLIFE CORRIDOR.
I THINK THIS HAS COME UP, BUT THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES OF NOT JUST SELECTING NATIVE PLANTS, BUT HOW YOU PLANT THEM.
ISSUES OF CLUMP GROUPING PLANTS TOGETHER AND HAVING UNDERSTORY AND ALL THOSE OTHER ISSUES. THANK YOU.
>> CAN I ASK HIM A QUESTION? QUESTION FOR YOU.
DO YOU ACCEPT OR AGREE WITH THE FLORIDA-FRIENDLY LANDSCAPE NINE PRINCIPLES?
>> I HAVE THAT HERE, IF ANYBODY LOOK AT IT.
THAT'S UNIVERSAL BECAUSE I THINK THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH UNIVERSAL AND THE WAY THIS SECTION STARTS RIGHT NOW, IT SAYS UNDER ITEM NUMBER 9 OVER IN THE VERY FIRST SECTION, IT SAYS, FLORIDA-FRIENDLY LANDSCAPE PRINCIPLES WILL BE UTILIZED IN THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN.
THAT'S PART A. THAT'S JUST GENERALLY WATER CONSUMPTION, FERTILIZATION, SO FORTH.
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THE SECOND PART OF IT IS, WHAT SELECTION OF PLANTS DO YOU PUT IN THERE? NOW, IF YOU GO TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A DEFINITION FOR NATIVE VEGETATION.IT SAYS, MEANS ANY PLANT SPECIES WITH A GEOGRAPHIC DISTRIBUTION DANGEROUS TO THE AMELIA ISLAND REGION.
IF WE MAKE SOME CHANGES, THERE'S ALREADY AN IDENTIFIED AND THERE'S ALSO NATIVE PLANT MATERIAL.
IF YOU'RE PUTTING IT DOWN, WHICH YOU COULD SAY IS MULCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S ALSO DANGEROUS.
IN THE NOVEMBER MEETING FROM LAST YEAR'S WHERE THIS ALL CAME UP.
ALL OF YOU HAVE GOTTEN AN EMAIL FROM JOYCE TUTON BACK LAST NOVEMBER, AND SHE PROVIDED BASICALLY A LIST OF SOURCES YOU CAN GO TO AND SO FORTH.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO GET INTO THE DISCUSSION LATER, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS GENERAL AGREEMENT THAT THE PRINCIPLES THEMSELVES ARE OKAY.
IT'S WHAT YOU PUT IN THE GROUND IS WHERE YOU [OVERLAPPING]
THOSE PRINCIPLES, WELL, THEY'RE MOSTLY JUST BEST PRACTICES IN HORTICULTURE.
THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT UNIQUE TO IFAS THINKING THESE THINGS OUT.
BUT IF YOU CLICK UNDER WILDLIFE IS ONE OF THEIR PRINCIPLES, PROMOTING WILDLIFE, THEIR DESCRIPTION AT LEAST UP FRONT DOES A DISSERVICE TO AT SPECIES AND THE IMPORTANCE OF NATIVE SPECIES.
THEY'RE BASICALLY SAYING ANYTHING WITH BERRIES AND FRUIT OR PROVIDING SHELTER IS DOING A GOOD JOB FOR WILDLIFE, AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER LONG DISCUSSION.
>> THAT TREE THAT DOES WELL IN DADE COUNTY, FLORIDA MAY NOT BE A GOOD SPECIMEN TO USE IN NASSAU COUNTY FLORIDA.
>> ONE OF THEIR PRINCIPLES IS ALSO PLANT PLACE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WHAT'S GOOD IN WEST SIDE OF NASSAU COUNTY MAY NOT DO WELL HERE IN AN OCEAN BEACH ENVIRONMENT.
>> THANKS SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S HELPFUL.
>> I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT IF I'M OUT OF.
>> TWO THINGS. FIRST OFF, TO WHAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID ABOUT SENSE OF PLACE AND ARRIVAL AND ALL THAT.
THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE WHENEVER YOU'RE STREET SCAPING, AND MAKES A LOT OF SENSE WHEN YOU'RE DOING PERIMETER BUFFERS.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS WHEN YOU LANDSCAPE AN ISLAND, A LANDSCAPE LAND IN A PARKING LOT.
IT'S HARD TO HAVE ANY SENSE OF PLACE.
YOU'RE REALLY JUST PROVIDING SHADE.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE OUGHT TO HAVE A SUBSTANDARD FOR PARKING LOTS BECAUSE SOME OF THESE TREES JUST AREN'T GOING TO MAKE IT IN A PARKING LOT, AND THEY WIND UP BREAKING UP CURVE, BREAKING UP PAVEMENT, AND SO SHADE IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL.
IT'S NOT REALLY FOR WILDLIFE OR ANYTHING ELSE.
WHEREAS THE OTHER PERIMETER AREAS ARE.
I'M JUST THROWING OUT THAT IDEA OF MAYBE WE CONSIDER THAT WHENEVER WE'RE LANDSCAPING A PARKING LOT VERSUS LANDSCAPING STREETS AND CORRIDORS.
>> I MIGHT ADD ANOTHER STAKE IN THAT POINT.
I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE A CASE WHERE YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A MORE LIMITED SELECTIONS OF, I'LL CALL IT TREES, BASICALLY, THAT CAN SURVIVE IN THAT ISLAND IN ONE THEY DON'T HAVE EVEN DISTRIBUTION FOR POROUS SOIL AND THEIR WATER AVAILABILITY.
ONE IT'S GOING TO BE CONTAMINATED TO SOME EXTENT BY OIL AND SO.
>> I AGREE. THE SECOND ONE IS WE'RE REDUCING THE WIDTH OF THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS AND C3 AND EIGHTH STREET.
BUT ARE WE ALSO REDUCING THE MINIMUM AREAS THAT YOU NEED? BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE FIVE FOOT WIDE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE 250 SQUARE FEET OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE.
YOU MAY BE GETTING THESE LONG T SHAPED AREAS.
I DON'T TRULY UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN REDUCE THE WIDTH AND NOT CHANGE THE AREA.
>> I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY CHANGE THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED ABOUT AREAS.
>> IF LET'S SAY IT'S 250 SQUARE FEET, IS THAT A MINIMUM FOR A SHADE TREE AREA?
>> I HAVE THAT. LET ME SEE IF I GOT IT HERE.
>> IF YOU'VE GOT FIVE PER EIGHT SQUARE FOOT.
>> THERE IS A SEPARATE SUBSECTION OF CODE THAT MR. D IS REFERRING TO THAT SPEAKS TO WHEN YOU PLANT A SPECIFIC TYPE OF TREE, WHETHER THAT'S A SHADE TREE OR AN UNDERSTORY TREE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM LAND AREA TO SUPPORT THAT TREE.
WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS THAT THERE BE CONSIDERATION OF REDUCTION IN THE PERIMETER LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS,
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NOT THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS THEMSELVES TO SUPPORT THAT.BUT YOU RAISE AT A POINT THAT WE EVEN NEED TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT A SPECIFIC SPECIES MIGHT BE SURVIVABLE DEPENDING ON ITS LOCATION.
IT MAY LIMIT WHAT COULD GO THERE.
>> I HAVE TO DO UNDER STORY TREES ARE 100 SQUARE FEET OF PLANTING AREA, AND SHADE TREES ARE 250 SQUARE FEET OF PLANNING AREA PER TREE. THAT'S EVERYWHERE, RIGHT?
>> RIGHT. IF YOU'RE UTILIZING THAT PERIMETER LANDSCAPE TO ALSO SATISFY YOUR MINIMUM LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, THEN IT MAY NOT ALLOW YOU TO PUT THE SHADE TREE IN THAT SPACE.
YOU MAY HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER SPACE FOR THAT SHADE TREE TO SATISFY A MINIMUM LANDSCAPE.
>> BUT DON'T WE HAVE SHADE TREE REQUIREMENTS IN THOSE PERIMETER BUFFERS THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT?
>> THAT HIGH [INAUDIBLE] REFER TO ME.
>> WELL, I'LL JUST SAY I DON'T WANT TO CONFLICT WITH OURSELVES IF WE REDUCE THE WIDTH AND NOT REDUCE THE AREA, AND MAYBE SHADE TREES NEED 250 SQUARE FEET.
I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THAT, BUT MAYBE WE OUGHT TO BE PUTTING UNDERSTORY TREES IN AREAS THAT ARE REDUCING THE WIDTH JUST TO INCENTIVIZE REDEVELOPMENT IN EIGHTH STREET AND DOWNTOWN.
I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE SOME SENSE AND NOT CREATE AN ISSUE FOR SOMEONE DOWN THE ROAD.
>> YOU'RE TAKING THESE NOTES AND THEN STAFF GO AWAY AND INCORPORATE WHAT'S BEING SUGGESTED AND CONCERNED AND THOUGHT ABOUT WHEN WE ADJOURNED. GO AHEAD, PETE, I'M SORRY.
>> NO. I THINK THAT'S A POINT THAT NEEDS TO BE FOLLOWED UP.
IN TERMS OF IF WE END UP, YOU GOT TO PUT 20 TREES IN AND YOU GET ALL DONE, YOU ONLY HAVE SPACE TO MEET THE OTHER REQUIREMENT FOR 15.
YOU GOT A PROBLEM NOW WE'VE GOT A CONFLICT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT.
LET ME JUST GO BACK TO WHAT LAST NOVEMBER THE 13TH, WE HAD A MEETING, WE GOT INTO THE LANDSCAPE AND AS I SAID, JOYCE TUTON, WHO WAS, I GUESS HAD BEEN ELECTED, BUT SHE WASN'T EVEN SWORN IN AS A CITY COMMISSIONER YET.
I WALKED AWAY FOR BASICALLY TWO GENERAL THINGS.
ONE, FLORIDA FRIENDLY [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S OKAY.
THE DIFFERENCE IS, IDENTIFY IT AS NATIVE AS OPPOSED TO FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING MATERIALS.
I'M USING THAT AS A GENERAL TERM.
IF YOU GO TO OUR CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE IDENTIFY WHAT NATIVE VEGETATION IS.
IT'S ALREADY IN THERE IF WE WERE TO MAKE A CHANGE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STRUCTURE RIGHT HERE IN THE VERBIAGE, YOU COULD JUST CALL OUT NATIVE VEGETATION, AND IT'S GOING TO PRETTY MUCH SAY IT NEEDS TO COME FROM, I'LL SAY NASSAU COUNTY.
PROBLEM WITH THAT RIGHT NOW, I JUST RAN INTO IT, GETTING THE PLANTS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE IN SOME CASES NEW CONSTRUCTION, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE LET'S JUST SAY YOU'RE DOING A LIVE OAK.
IT'S GOT TO BE SUCH AND SUCH A SIZE IN ORDER TO GO IN THERE.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A COMMENSURATE SUPPLY TO MEET THE DEMAND IN ALL CASES, OR IF YOU GET IT, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE BROUGHT IN, SO IT GETS TO BE EXPENSIVE IF WE START DOING THIS, I THINK WE'VE GOT ONE OF ALL SOME INCENTIVIZING THE NURSERIES AND SO ON.
THEY CAN GROW. I HAVE TO BE GROWING CEDAR TREES BECAUSE THEY'RE NATIVE HERE.
WELL, THEY COME UP ON THEIR OWN I STARTED WITH A COUPLE OF LITTLE ONES AND I GOT SOME THAT ARE SIX FEET TALL.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE, ARE WE GOING TO GET AND I THINK THE REQUEST WAS FROM AT LEAST FROM SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THAT WE GET DOWN TO IDENTIFY WE WANT NATIVE VEGETATION AND PLANTINGS THAT WE DO ON THIS, AT LEAST IN OUR CITY, HOPEFULLY IN THE WHOLE COUNTY.
>> I DID ASK WHEN I WAS AT LIBERTY I ASKED THEM AND THEY HAD NO IDEA WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
FLORIDA FRIENDLY, THEY DIDN'T KNOW.
I THINK THERE'S SOME EDUCATION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD.
>> TELL THEM TO GO OUT TO [INAUDIBLE] AND DIG UP A TREE IF THEY DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
>> MARGARET KIRKLAND, 1377 PLANTATION POINT DRIVE.
I THINK THAT EVERY TIME WE LOOK AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT FOR A LONG TIME.
EVERY TIME WE LOOK AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE MAKE INCREMENTAL CHANGES TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD TO
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DEAL WITH OUR ENVIRONMENT AND CHANGES IN THAT ENVIRONMENT AND SO ON.WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO URGE, AND THIS IS JUST A FEW PRELIMINARY IDEAS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE IN THE DRAFTING STAGE, AND THERE ARE SOME DRAFT RELATED ISSUES THAT IF THEY'RE NOT CLEAR, STAFF CAN ASK ME ABOUT THEM.
BUT WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE FLOODING ALL OVER THE ISLAND, WHERE WE HAVE SUCH A HIGH LEVEL OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE NOW THAT WE ARE DEVELOPING PROBLEMS. WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT TO DEAL WITH THAT SITUATION.
THE FORECAST FROM EVERYONE IS THAT WE WILL HAVE MORE INTENSIVE RAINS YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THAT A MILLION TIMES.
I THINK WE NEED TO PUSH FORWARD AND THIS IS ONE REASON FOR TRYING TO PUSH FOR MORE NATIVE PLANTS AND LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, AND MORE NATIVE SHADE TREES, THAT SORT OF THING, TO DEAL WITH THAT.
I'D ALSO LIKE FOR US TO FOCUS ON THINGS LIKE WHEN YOU GO TO STUDY A PARCEL OR ANALYZE A PARCEL, YOU'RE NOT JUST LOOKING WITHIN THOSE LINES.
THE FIRST THING YOU ARE DOING IS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE ON AND OFF THE PARCEL.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE VEGETATION, THE WILDLIFE CORRIDORS, THE NESTING PATTERNS, AND SO ON, BEFORE YOU START CLEARING ANYTHING.
I'M GOING TO DEVELOP THIS LOT, SO I START CLEARING IT OFF OR I CLEAR THE UNDERSTORY.
YOU'RE ALREADY SCREWING IT UP, BECAUSE THE SURVIVAL OF THE TREES, DEPENDS ON THE UNDERSTORY SO WE NEED SOME STIFFER REGULATIONS TO PUSH THAT FORWARD.
PERHAPS NOT AS FAR FORWARD AS LENNON AND I WOULD LIKE, BUT AS FAR FORWARD AS WE CAN IN THIS DRAFT.
I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE REALLY NEED TO BE DOING THIS.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY, AND WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO DISCUSSING THIS FURTHER IN MULTIPLE CONTEXT AND SO ON. THANK YOU.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MARGARET, ACTUALLY.
IF SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, USE THE AREA REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR 100 SQUARE FEET OF 100 STORY TREE.
I WOULD THINK THAT YOU COULD REDUCE AREAS IF YOU ACTUALLY KEPT THE NATIVE VEGETATION AROUND THAT TREE INSTEAD OF COMING IN BULLDOZING IT AND RAISING IT TWO FEET, YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY PROMOTE THE HEALTH OF THAT TREE.
BECAUSE ALONG THESE PERIMETER AREAS, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO NOT GRADE AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD [OVERLAPPING]
>> MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE, IF YOU KEEP THE NATIVE VEGETATION THAT'S WITHIN THAT AREA THAT YOU'RE PLANTING, THEN MAYBE YOU COULD REDUCE THE AREA REQUIRE.
>> THERE ARE SOME THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED.
>> YEAH. SOME OF THEM WERE BROUGHT UP BY DEVELOPERS SO THERE YOU GO.
WE'RE ALL IN THIS BOAT TOGETHER.
>> LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. THAT HIGHLAND DOOMS DEVELOPER, I THINK YOUR FIRM THEY'VE GOT, LIKE A 15 FOOT LET ME CALL IT JUST A NATURE SECTION, YOU WENT UP IT WAS A SPINE LIKE GOING RIGHT UP TO THE MIDDLE.
YOU LEFT IT ALONE. YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
YOU JUST MAYBE PUT IT STRAW OR SOMETHING, BUT YOU DIDN'T CUT ANYTHING DOWN, YOU JUST LEFT WHATEVER THE VEGETATION WAS THERE.
IS THAT THE THING YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT THE [INAUDIBLE]?
>> YEAH, I AM. BUT I ALSO THINK SOMETIMES THERE'S DEAD TREES IN THERE THAT YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE OUT AND PUT IN NATIVE VEGETATION IN THERE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO GO AND BLOW THE WHOLE BUFFER OUT TO DO IT.
LIKE AROUND THE PONDS THAT ARE AROUND.
THERE'S SOME TREES THAT ARE AROUND.
THERE'S PONDS THE NATIVE VEGETATION IS RETAINED.
>> SOME OF THEM DOWN IN THAT CENTER SECTION.
I PUT TWO OF THE NATIVE CEDARS IN THERE BECAUSE THE WATER OAKS WERE JUST DYING OFF.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE [INAUDIBLE] PLANTATION, THEY USE LITTLE GULLIES OF NATIVE VEGETATION FOR THEIR STORMWATER.
THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING TO IT IT'S JUST A LOW AREA AND THEY JUST CONNECT IT WITH A SMALL PIPE.
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JUST SEEMS LIKE RATHER THAN BEING PUNITIVE, MAYBE WE CAN INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE AND GIVE THEM THE ABILITY.>> ONE OF THE THINGS ON THE LIST THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS EXPAND NATIVE AREAS WITHIN A PARTICULAR PARCEL OR SET OF PARCELS THAT YOU'RE DEVELOPING AND THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT YOUR EXAMPLE CITES. THANK YOU.
>> DOES ANYBODY KNOW IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LIST OF WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE NATIVE STRAWBERRY TREE FOR NASSAU COUNTY?
>> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK I'M GOING TO LET ALICE SPEAK BECAUSE SHE IS NODDING HER HEAD UP AND DOWN.
>> ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER PETE'S QUESTION?
>> I'M GOING TO TRY. I MIGHT FORGET IT, BY THE TIME I GET TO THE MICROPHONE BUT I'LL TRY.
POLICE PEARLSTEIN 1521 FRANKLIN STREET.
IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE BY OUR HOUSE, WE'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF NATIVE PLANTS JUST POPPING UP IN NATIVE TREES AND VOLUNTEERS, AND IT'S SO MUCH FUN.
FIRST, I WANT TO TELL YOU A STORY THAT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE TOLD ME THIS SPRING.
WE HAVE HAD MIGRATORY BIRDS COMING THROUGH SINCE PROBABLY EARLY MARCH.
IN TWO CASES, WE HAD AND MAYBE YOU GUYS EXPERIENCE IT, AN ABUNDANCE OF ROBINS DESCEND ON PEOPLE'S YAUPON AND DAHOON HOLLY TREES, CLEAR AMOUNT.
IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN A CEDAR WAXWING, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BIRDS YOU'LL EVER SEE.
THEY'VE GOT LITTLE WAXY DROPS ON THE ENDS OF THEIR WINGS THAT ARE YELLOW AND RED.
THESE WERE TREES IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY WEREN'T PART OF A BIG SWATH, BUT THEY'RE PART OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO RECOGNIZE AS IMPORTANT STEPPING STONES AND ISLANDS, AND EVEN A LITTLE POLLINATOR POT IN A PARKING LOT SOMEWHERE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO BUT THERE IS A PLACE FOR THE SMALLER NATIVE PLANTINGS THAT PROVIDE THAT SERVICE ESPECIALLY IT JUST WAS BROUGHT HOME TO ME WITH THESE MIGRATORY BIRDS COMING THROUGH.
THEY COME FROM BRAZIL THEY COME FROM WAY SOUTH, AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR LITTLE PLACES WITH A RESOURCE OR A RESTING PLACE TO STOP.
YOU MENTIONED, WE DON'T HAVE A LOCAL SOURCE AND I THINK IF THE CITY WERE TO SAY, THIS IS OUR LIST OF TREES THAT WE RECOMMEND ACE HARDWARE, LIBERTY, MAKE IT HAPPEN.
WE WANT TO GIVE YOU THIS BUSINESS.
THE MORE WE INCENTIVIZE AND WORK WITH THEM I THINK THE BETTER.
WE'VE TRIED TO GO TO LIBERTY AND GET STUFF, AND THEY DON'T KNOW.
WE HAVE DRIVEN TO GAINESVILLE.
WE'VE DRIVEN SEVERAL PLACES JUST TO GET THE THINGS WE WANT.
THERE IS AN EXCELLENT NATIVE PLANT NURSERY, AMELIA'S NATIVE WILDFLOWERS IN YULI.
SHE'S SMALL, BUT I THINK SHE'D BE HAPPY TO SEE WHAT SHE COULD DO TO HELP AS WELL.
THE THIRD POINT IS, AS YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE UNDERSTORY AND PLACES THE PLANT, DON'T FORGET THE NEXT GENERATION.
WE'VE GOT GORGEOUS BIG OAK TREES.
BUT IF YOU CAN KEEP SOME OF THOSE THAT SPROUT UP OR KEEP SOME OF THE YOUNGER ONES FOR 20, 30, 40 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT'S EQUALLY IMPORTANT.
>> TOTALLY, I LOVE YOUR POINT OF SEPARATING THE PRACTICES FROM THE LIST OF PLANTS.
I THINK THAT'S THE POINT THE THREE OF US WOULD ACTUALLY REALLY LIKE TO MAKE.
OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD?
>> WELL, I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD ON IT BECAUSE I THINK THE FRONT END OF THIS DOCUMENT IS OKAY WHAT I SEE.
IT'S JUST A MATTER WE NEED TO WEAVE IN THE LOCAL MATERIALS.
I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU GOT TO CHANGE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, YOU GUYS CAN LOOK AT THE DEFINITION.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADD A DEFINITION.
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THERE'S ONE THERE, AND THAT'S IT.NOW, THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT IS GOING TO BE HOW YOU BEAT THE DRUM TO GIVE A SUPPLY.
NOW, DO YOU INCENTIVIZE IT? IF YOU USE LIKE A NATIVE OAK IT'S X.
IF YOU USE A NON NATIVE CHINESE CHESTNUT TREE OR SOMETHING.
IT COUNTS AS A TREE, BUT THERE'S A 10% PENALTY OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A NEGATIVE INCENTIVE.
IF YOU GO WITH ALL NATIVE, MAYBE YOU GET SOME A BENEFIT FROM THAT FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT.
>> I THINK THE OTHER IMPORTANT PART IS WE GOT TO LOOK AT THE LOCAL PLACES BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, ACE HARDWARE.
WHO DOES HE PURCHASING? ARE THEY PURCHASING FOR SPECIFIC PLACES OR ARE THEY JUST SAY, OH, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO GET 100 MILLION OF THESE AND JUST TAKE THEM AROUND.
WHAT WE HAVE TO DEFINE IS WHAT'S THE ACTION ITEM ON THIS?
>> I DON'T THINK OUR ACTION ITEM IS TO TELL ACE HARDWARE WHAT THEY NEED TO STOCK.
I THINK WE JUST GOT TO PUT IN OUR CODE WHAT IT IS, AND I THINK THESE PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP GOOD IDEAS THAT WE PUT IT INTO OUR CODE.
IF WE CAN'T GET THEM THERE, WE CAN GET THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE. THEY'LL FIND.
ACE HARDWARE IS GOING TO STOCK WHAT PEOPLE BUY, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE BUYING NATIVE OR NOT, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BUY MORE TROPICAL BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD.
>> I AGREE. I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO LET THEM KNOW.
THEY CAN MAKE A DECISION ON THAT.
I'M NOT HEARING ANYBODY ON THE BOARD TO HAVE ANY PUSH BACK FROM WHAT IS BEING A PART OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
I'M TAKING THAT TO ASSUME WE AGREE WITH WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> WOULD LIKE THEREFORE TO SEE THESE COMMENTS INCORPORATED INTO THE NEXT REVISION THAT WE LOOK.
>> I GUESS WHAT I LIKE IS THE FACT THAT, RICHARD, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, WE'VE GOT A, I'M GOING TO CALL IT A BASELINE IS FOR AT LEAST THERE IS SOME STRUCTURE OR A GENERAL THING, AND THEY'RE ALL GOOD THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
BUT WHAT IT'S NOT DOING IS CUSTOMIZING IT DOWN TO OUR COUNTY OR CITY.
I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO DO THE FIRST THING IS WRITE THE RULES OF THE ROAD, AND THEN YOU GOT TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW THEY CAN MEET THAT OR HOW DO YOU INCENTIVIZE IT.
THAT'S MAYBE FOOD FOR ANOTHER DAY OF THOUGHT.
>> WOULD IT BE, I'M ASKING YOU THIS, IF IT'S IN OUR CODE, AND IF THEY ARE HARD TO GET LOCALLY, DO DEVELOPERS HAVE SOURCES WHERE THEY GO BUY STUFF AND IF WE CAN FIND IF THAT'S NOT MADE AVAILABLE?
>> THERE'S A MULTIPLE NATIVE NURSERIES.
>> BUT I WILL SAY, SOMETIMES YOU JUST CAN'T GET CERTAIN PRODUCT.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT TO HAVE ALTERNATIVES IN THERE FOR PEOPLE.
BUT THERE'S MULTIPLE NATIVE VEGETATION LISTS.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE PLANTS ON THE LIST.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO PLANT ONE OF THESE FIVE TREES.
THERE'S ENOUGH VARIETY OUT THERE TO, I THINK, MAKE IT WORK OUT.
>> NICK, WOULD YOU SEE MAYBE A LIST OF NATIVE TREES THAT ARE BEST SUITED FOR HERE, SAY FOR THE PARKING LOT AREA WHERE THERE'S A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT, MAYBE THAT'S A SHORTER LIST THAN THE ONE THAT WOULD BE AT A HOME IN A QUARTER ACRE LOT?
>> I THREW THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE I I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I KNOW ENVY STAFF ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT GROWS BEST IN A PARKING LOT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE ONCE HAD SOMEBODY TALK ABOUT THREE PALM TREES.
THAT WAS DUMB BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE JUST STICKING THREE PALM TREES ON EACH END OF THE BUILDING IN FRONT.
NO. IF YOU PUT NATIVE DOWN, THEY'LL FIND IT, THEY'LL LOOK AROUND.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET DOWN TO A POINT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE.
[OVERLAPPING] THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
THE DEVELOPERS WILL FIGURE IT OUT.
IF THEY HAVE TO GO OUT AND BUY 20 ACRES OUT HERE, THEY'LL BE OUT THERE BUYING THEM AND DIGGING UP TREES AND BRINGING THEM INTO THE CITY.
[OVERLAPPING] THEY CAN GO OVER TO SOUTH FLORIDA, GIVE ME A BREAK.
>> WELL, OUR CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS, WE'LL GIVE YOU A FREE NATIVE TREE.
>> THEY JUST SAID SOMETHING OUT THE OTHER DAY.
I COULD STAND IN LINE AND GO GET A FREE TREE, I THINK.
WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE IT IN THE CODE AND THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
>> I WAS SIMPLY GOING TO RAISE CONCERN WITH PUTTING ANY SPECIFIC PLANT LISTS INTERNAL TO YOUR CODE BECAUSE CONDITIONS CHANGE WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE STILL CONSIDERED NATIVE OR NON NATIVE CAN CHANGE OVER TIME.
PROVIDING RESOURCES IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND HAVING RESOURCES AVAILABLE FOR
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PEOPLE SO THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THEY CAN CONSULT WHEN LOOKING AT DIFFERENT LANDSCAPE OPTIONS.THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO OUTSIDE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
BUT IF THE DIRECTION IS THAT YOU WOULD ONLY ALLOW FOR NATIVE PLANT MATERIALS TO BE UTILIZED IN SATISFYING MINIMUM LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN WRITE INTO THE CODE.
THEN WE NEED TO PROVIDE SUPPORT AND HOW YOU LOCATE THEM.
>> YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER THAT YOU CAN'T PUT A TREE THAT'S NOT SALT TOLERANT DOWN ON THE OCEAN.
WE'VE HAD SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST, THAT A CERTAIN LANDSCAPE IS GOING TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF A1A, AND IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN IT'S UP HERE.
THAT'S NOT OUR PLACE, I THINK TO CHOOSE SOME TREE THAT'S GOING TO DIE.
>> WELL, THERE'S PROBABLY A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OCEAN SIDE VERSUS THE LAND SIDE OF THE CCCL.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THAT GOES.
>> THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 14TH STREET AND HERE DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE ON THE 14TH STREET.
YOU SEE A WHOLE OAK FOREST OVER THERE, BUT IT MAY NOT GROW DOWN HERE ON THE 5TH.
THAT'S WHY THEY PUT ON THE PALM TREES IN.
>> I'M HEARING, TOO, THAT WE'RE GOING TO STOP USING THE TERM FLORIDA FRIENDLY AND COME UP WITH SOME OTHER TERM LIKE NATIVE FRIENDLY.
>> WELL, NATIVE SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WELL, EVEN NATIVE.
>> THE VERY FRONT END, IF YOU GO UP TO SECTION 44.05.01 AND GO DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER 9, BASICALLY, THE WAY MARGARET KELLY HAD REDONE THIS, IT SAYS, REQUIRING FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING PRINCIPLES WILL BE UTILIZED.
IT'S NOW WHERE YOU GET INTO TALKING ABOUT, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND TRY AND USE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DEFINITION NATIVE.
IT'S AT LEAST SOMETHING COMMON TO THE COUNTY.
I THINK I WOULD AGREE WITH KELLY.
I DON'T THINK YOU WANT A SHOPPING LIST NECESSARILY IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO TRY AND MAINTAIN BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE OVER TIME.
>> JUST SO I'M CLEAR, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WANT TO REQUIRE THE NATIVE TREES TO MEET THE MINIMUM LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS?
>> THE CODE PRESENTLY REQUIRES NATIVE LANDSCAPING.
IT'S REQUIRED THAT IT BE NATIVE TREES FOR MINIMUM LANDSCAPING.
IT DOES NOT QUALIFY NON NATIVE TREES TO SATISFY MINIMUM TREE REQUIREMENTS RIGHT NOW.
IT ABSOLUTELY OUTRIGHTS INVASIVE TREES.
IT IN FACT, GOES FURTHER WITHIN THIS VERSION TO SAY YOU MUST REMOVE THEM AS PART OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT SITE OR PREVIOUSLY DID NOT SAY THAT.
IT DID NOT COUNT IT TOWARDS MEETING YOUR MINIMUM MITIGATION, THOUGH IF YOU HAD AN INVASIVE TREE ON THE DEVELOPMENT SITE PREVIOUSLY.
BUT TODAY, UNDER OUR CODE, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO REPLACE WITH NATIVE TREES.
>> NOT FLORIDA FRIENDLY, BUT NATIVE?
>> IT SAYS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
>> IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PLANT AN ORANGE TREE TO MEET THEIR MINIMUM LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT, THEY CAN PLANT THE ORANGE TREE.
IT JUST WON'T MEET THEIR MINIMUM LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT.
>> I HEARD THAT. I THINK WE'RE ALREADY, LIKE KELLY HAS [OVERLAPPING] SAID, ALREADY DOING THAT.
THE SECOND THING I HEARD WAS MAYBE TO FIND WAYS, IF WE COULD EVEN ENCOURAGE THEM TO PLANT MORE NATIVE OR HAVE SOME TYPE OF INCENTIVE FOR MAINTAINING OR PRESERVING THE NATIVE.
THAT'S THE SECOND THING I'VE HEARD.
I THINK WE CAN WORK ON THAT AND TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME THINGS.
>> NOT ENCOURAGE IT. IF WE PUT IT IN THE CODE, THAT'S THE ENCOURAGEMENT.
IT HAS TO BE THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THEY HAVE SOME IDEAS ABOUT ENCOURAGING SOMEONE.
>> WELL, THEY ABSOLUTELY IN SAVING THEM.
THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO SAVE CERTAIN TREES WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING A FOOTPRINT.
LOOK FOR WAYS TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO TRY TO SAVE THEM.
>> I ALWAYS WORRY WHEN I HEAR THE WORD INCENTIVIZE BECAUSE I ALWAYS HEAR DOLLAR SIGNS WITH INCENTIVIZE.
I THINK OPPORTUNITIES TO UTILIZE NATIVE PLANTS IS MAYBE A BETTER WAY TO LOOK AT IT RATHER THAN SAY INCENTIVIZE BECAUSE I THINK LIKE NICK SAYS, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO USE NATIVE PLANTS WITHOUT FUNDING A LANDSCAPE COMPANY TO GROW NATIVE PLANTS FOR THE CITY OF FERNANDINA.
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[OVERLAPPING] BUT I THINK THE WORD INCENTIVIZE SOMETIMES IS ATTACHED TO WELL, WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME DOLLARS TO HELP OR WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME EXTRA CREDIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IN THE WORDING THAT WE USE TO GET WHAT WE WANT, WHICH IS WE WANT NATIVE PLANTS.
>> I LIKE TO USE THE WORD EDUCATE.
>> INCENTIVIZE, IT'S MORE [INAUDIBLE]
>> [OVERLAPPING] THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] SPECIFICALLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO CHANGE THE C PERIMETER LANDSCAPING IN C3 IN MIXED USE.
>> THE SUMMARY COMMENTS OF 4.05.07.
I THINK THOSE SHOULD JUST BE HUNDRED STORY TREES BECAUSE IF SOMEONE'S GOING TO GO FIVE FEET WIDE, A TYPICAL PARKING SPOT IS 20 FEET DEEP, THAT WOULD MAKE 100 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WOULD BE 100 STORY TREE.
I THINK OTHERWISE, IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO REDEVELOP, AND WE HAD ASKED THEM TO GIVE 250 SQUARE FEET, THEN THEY'RE BASICALLY GIVEN FIVE BY 50 AREA, THAT'S DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
I THINK THE PERIMETER LANDSCAPING, IF THEY'RE GOING TO REDEVELOP IN C3 AND REDEVELOP IN MU, THEN THAT WOULD JUST BE AN UNDER STORY TREE FIVE FEET WIDE.
>> NATIVE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? JOYCE, YOU'RE HAPPY?
>> LET ME JUST GO BACK. I JUST GOT ONE, I THINK IT'S MAYBE A CORRECTION. THIS ONE IS A CORRECTION.
IF YOU GO TO 4.05.06 UNDER B, THAT SECOND SENTENCE, RELOCATION AND/OR MITIGATION.
I JUST THINK IT NEEDS AN OF EXISTING.
WE TALK ABOUT HERE NATIVE TREES THAT ARE ALREADY IDENTIFIED UNDER 4.05.05 A, AND WE'VE GOT A DEFINITION IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
I THINK THAT DURING THAT MEETING, KELLY AS FAR AS THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT.
LET ME SEE IF THERE WAS ONE OTHER.
I THINK THE QUESTION ON THE NATIVE ON THAT FIRST INTRODUCTORY PARAGRAPH, I THINK THE FLORIDA FRIENDLY IS OKAY, BUT IF YOU GET ON TO SECTION C, LET ME GET BACK TO THE TOP, 4.05.03, THERE IS WHERE I THINK YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE NATIVE UNDER ITEM 13.
HERE, IT TALKS ABOUT SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR FLORIDA FRIENDLY OR ZERO SCAPE LANDSCAPE MATERIALS.
I THINK YOU WANT TO SAY NATIVE THERE.
>> I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE YOU'RE AT.
>> I'M ON 4.05.03 C. RIGHT BELOW THAT TREE PICTURE.
>> GROUND COVER? SAY GROUND COVERS?
>> IT'S UNDER ITEM NUMBER C. KEEP GOING DOWN HERE.
I THINK I SAW ONE OTHER THING.
KELLY, I TAKE IT FROM THE NOTE THERE BASICALLY WHEN YOU GET TO PALM TREES, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE THE HUMAN ELEMENT.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THE FINAL DETERMINATION ON SIZE AND SPACING OF THE STAFF.
ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE JUST GENERALLY.
YOU AND I HAVE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU HAVE A CASE WHERE A PIECE OF PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE REDEVELOPED? LET'S JUST SAY IN THIS CASE, NEW HOUSE FOR AN OLD HOUSE.
THE OLD HOUSE HAS BEEN SITTING THERE FOR 30 YEARS, AND THEY TAKE THE HOUSE DOWN, LEAVE THE PROPERTY, BUT ALONG THE WAY, TWO GREAT BIG TREES HAVE GROWN UP INTO THE POWER LINES, AND THEY'RE AN ENCUMBRANCE, AND THEY ARE HAVING TO TURN THEM BACK.
IS THERE ANY RESPONSIBILITY IN THE PROCESS OF REDEVELOPMENT THAT MOVE THOSE TREES OR TAKE THEM AWAY BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PLANT UNDER PHONE LINES, POWER LINES, AND SO FORTH.
BUT IF THEY'RE THERE, SOMEBODY ELSE REDEVELOPS, THEY JUST LEAVE THEM? LIKE THE PLACE OVER ON, WHAT WAS IT?
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UP THE END OF STREET FROM TEE RACE, UP THERE, THOSE PALM TREES ARE IN THERE.THEY GREW RIGHT INTO THE POWER LINES.
YOU HAD PICTURES OF IT. IT WAS THERE BEFORE THE HOUSE WAS.
THAT'S JUST UP TO MOTHER NATURE AND THE POWER COMPANY TO WORRY ABOUT.
>> THEY'RE GENERALLY AN EASEMENT, I WOULD THINK AND WHATEVER IS ALLOWED IN THE EASEMENT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT.
YOU CAN'T JUST GO OUT AND WILLINGLY CUT STUFF DOWN.
ASK HER, THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING.
>> EVEN EVEN IF IT'S UNDER A POWER LINE? THESE ARE INTERFERING WITH PUBLIC UTILITY.
>> IF FPU COMES THROUGH AND THEY'VE DONE UTILITY LINE CLEARING IN THE PAST, AND NOW THEY NEED TO COME BACK IN AND DO ADDITIONAL LINE CLEARING AND NOW THEY NEED TO REMOVE THE TREE, THEY CAN REMOVE THE TREE.
IT'S WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
IT'S NOT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AT ALL.
IT WOULDN'T BE ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO REMOVE THOSE TREES.
NO PART OF OUR ORDINANCE EXTENDS TO REQUIRING REMOVAL OF TREES UNDER A POWER LINE.
BUT THE STATE HAS PROVIDED A LOT OF AUTHORITY TO ELECTRICAL COMPANIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR LINES ARE SECURE AND HARDENED AND IF THEY NEED OR REMOVE A TREE, THEY ARE ABLE TO.
>> THESE HAPPEN TO BE PALM TREES, SO YOU CAN'T CUT AROUND.
YOU CUT THE CENTER OF THE PALM TREE OUT, IT DIES.
WE TALK ABOUT NATIVE TREES HERE, THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF.
>> HOW WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO OR YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT? WE HAVE YOU KNOW THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY AND THEN WE TRIED TO ADD THE RED.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL THAT WE COULD SHOW THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED THESE FEW ISSUES AND NOT BE CONFUSED WITH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SAID IS OKAY? DO YOU HAVE A WAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT? YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY FORM THAT WE JUST WRITE UP WHAT WE CHANGE OR HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THAT? OR YOU JUST WANT TO MIX IN CHANGED RED?
>> I WOULD SUGGEST AND I'M OPEN TO JUST GIVE US A CLEAN COPY WITH TODAY'S SUGGESTIONS HIGHLIGHTED.
IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? ONLY TODAY'S SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE.
>> FOR YOU TO DISCUSS IF YOU TOOK NEXT.
>> WHAT WE WOULD LOOK AT NEXT.
>> I DO HAVE ONE MORE ITEM 4.05.03, ITEM NUMBER 2.
IT STARTS OUT NATURAL AREAS MUST BE REMOVED AND DISPOSED OFF PROPERLY AS PART OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING OUT OF THAT SENTENCE.
ONCE YOU GET DOWN TO A DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THEN IT SAYS NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, MAJOR ADDITIONS, OR NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO SAY, BUT IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME.
>> IT'S JUST SAYING AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, NEW FAMILY HOMES, MAJOR ADDITIONS ARE NEW ACCESSORY.
>> ARE THEY JUST EXAMPLES OF IT? JUST PUT IN PARENTHESES OR SOMETHING.
>> YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT AND CLEAR IT UP.
>> I THINK THAT'S JUST MECHANICS.
>> MARGARET, I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE INTO BOARD BUSINESS. YOU WANT TO LEAD US THROUGH THAT?
>> I THINK THE NEXT THING ON YOUR ITEM WAS TO REVISIT THE PRIORITIES THAT WE DISCUSSED IN FEBRUARY AND STAFF TRIED TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO A VISUAL AND SEE WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE CAN MARK THE PROGRESS OF ITEMS. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS, THE PUD WAS ADDRESSED.
BUT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE AT THE LANDSCAPING.
THEN THE NEXT PRIORITY WOULD BE, OF COURSE, WE WILL BRING BACK THESE CHANGES, BUT THEN ALSO THE NEXT BIG ITEM WOULD BE TO ADDRESS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
WHERE WE ARE ON THAT IS FOR THE BOARD TO GIVE STAFF SOME DIRECTION ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
>> WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO WITH THAT, MARGARET, IS REFER THAT TO A SUBCOMMITTEE MADE UP OF NICK AND MARK AND DAPHNE, WHO WILL COME AND THEY WILL MEET SEPARATELY, THEY WILL COME BACK TO US AND GIVE US MONTHLY UPDATES AND REPORTS.
WE'LL DISCUSS WHAT THEY FIND AT THOSE MEETINGS AND WE WILL REFER THAT
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TO A SUBCOMMITTEE AND HAVE THE REPORT AND DISCUSS PERIODICALLY AS THEY DO THAT.>> YES. YOU CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
I ASSUME THAT AT THAT FIRST MEETING THAT SINCE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AN OBJECTIVE OR TO CLEARLY STATE WHAT THOSE GOALS, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE CHANGES AND WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL LOOK LIKE, AND THEY CAN BRING THAT BACK.
>> IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE, TOO, IF IT'S WITHIN THE SUNSHINE WALLS, EVEN PRIOR TO THAT, PERHAPS, EITHER WE CAN TAKE SOME TIME NOW.
I KNOW NOBODY ON THE BOARD HAS REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO THINK THROUGH THAT.
I HAVE A THOUGHT OR TWO, BUT I'VE HAD TIME.
BUT IF SOME OF THAT COULD BE COMMUNICATED PRIOR TO THAT, EITHER THROUGH STAFF AND THEN TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE OR SOME OTHER WAY, THAT WOULD BE A NICE WAY TO GET A JUMP ON THAT.
>> WE CAN TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY. WE CAN DO THAT.
>> BUT YOU'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT 1.03.04 FOR THAT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THIS IS THE LIST OF ALL OUR ITEMS.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. THAT ALL IN LDC 1.03.
I ASKED MARK AND HE HAS AGREED AND I'VE TALKED TO KELLY ABOUT THAT.
I THINK YOU WERE RIGHT THERE, TOO, ON 1.03.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
>> MARK AND KELLY ARE GOING TO GET TOGETHER AND TRY TO REWRITE THAT SO THAT THEY ARE BOTH HAPPY WITH IT AND BOTH UNDERSTAND IT AND HAVE A COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF IT, AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR OUR DISCUSSION APPROVAL OR NOT.
THAT WOULD LEAVE US WITH THINGS TO TALK ABOUT FOR THE BOARD AS A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE TO TALK ABOUT NEXT AT OUR MEETINGS.
>> CORRECT. WE CAN TRY TO ADD ON WHAT'S LEFT.
>> UNDER BOARD BUSINESS, YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN YOUR WATER SUPPLY PLAN UPDATE.
WHEN I WENT AND LOOKED AT THAT, THAT ALL STARTED OUT WITH WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS.
>> MAY I? I'M NOT SURE WE'RE DONE WITH THE FIRST ONE YET.
>> WELL, THE FIRST ONE IS REEVALUATE LIST OF PRIORITIES. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
>> WE HAVEN'T MOVED OFF THAT QUITE YET.
I THINK WHAT THE BOARD WANTS TO DO THEN IS DISCUSS WHAT AS A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WE WANT TO TACKLE NEXT FROM THAT LIST. SUGGESTIONS?
>> WHERE'S THE LIST OF PRIORITIES THAT YOU'D LIE TO [INAUDIBLE]?
>> WHERE YOU WOULD START, WHERE YOU HAVEN'T REALLY ESTABLISHED A TIME FRAME OR A TIME WOULD BE STARTING WITH THE DESIGN INCENTIVES.
THESE TOPICS COME RIGHT OFF OF THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAD WITH THE JOINT COMMISSION, BUT ALSO INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS.
WE'VE JUST PRINTED THEM OUT FOR YOU TO GIVE US SOME DIRECTION AS TO WHEN YOU WOULD LIKE TO TACKLE THOSE.
YOU STILL GOT SOME BIG ONES TO FINISH AND THE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOP COULD TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS TO ACCOMPLISH, BUT MAYBE TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU MAY HAVE SOME TIME TO.
SOME OF THESE MAY BE PICKED UP DURING THE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT CONVERSATION AS WELL.
>> I THOUGHT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING PARKING NEXT.
>> ARE YOU TALKING, PETE, ABOUT PARKING GENERALLY OR PARKING FOR MEDICAL OFFICES IN BEAUTY SALONS?
KELLY NEEDS SOME OF IT TO FILL IN THE BLANKS ON THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODE NOW.
LET'S CALL THAT THE ACUTE, THE IMMEDIATE NEED, AND THEN THERE'S A STRATEGIC OR LONG TERM.
I THINK THAT'S THE SECOND PIECE OF IT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SEE OTHER ELEMENTS TO FILL OUT IF WE START GETTING INTO THE PAID PARKING AND SO ON.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WRITE THE RULES OF THE ROAD FOR PAID PARKING AND THAT'S NOT IN OUR MISSION, I DON'T THINK.
[OVERLAPPING] I THINK WE DO NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND WRITE THE RULES WHAT'S IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR WHAT IF SOMEBODY OPENS UP A BUSINESS, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THEY HAVE FOR PARKING ON THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY?
>> KELLY'S IDENTIFIED MEDICAL OFFICES AND BEAUTY SALONS.
ANYTHING ELSE WHERE WE ARE DICTATOR OR WE ARE SETTING STANDARDS FOR PARKING?
>> WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT AT THIS TIME.
BUT YOU'VE ALREADY GAVE US DIRECTION ON HOW TO HANDLE THE MEDICAL OFFICES.
BEAUTY SALON, YOU'VE ASKED US AT YOUR FEBRUARY MEETING TO PLACE IT ON THE JUNE MEETING.
BUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT TEXT AS IT WAS PRESENTED.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT IN JUNE.
BUT ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU DO HAVE IS PARKING IN GENERAL.
IF THAT'S THE NEXT THING YOU WANT TO TACKLE AFTER COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT,
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WE CAN MAKE THAT A PRIORITY.>> MY THINKING, MR. CHAIR, IS THAT PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS IS THE PARKING AS RELATED TO THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.
I THINK WHAT IS REQUIRED FROM A RESIDENTIAL PRETTY ESTABLISHED.
BUT I THINK THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR DISCUSSION AND MAYBE SOME MODIFICATION IS IN THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.
I THINK THAT WHEN NICK AND MARK AND DAPHNE START TO GO THROUGH THEIR PROCESS UNDER THE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT SECTION, THEY'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO TALK ABOUT PARKING.
I THINK IF WE TAKE IT ON AS A SEPARATE PROJECT, I THINK THAT THAT'S DUPLICATE WORK FOR THE BOARD WHILE WE HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ADDRESSING PARKING IN THEIR DISCUSSION.
I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON THEIR TOES AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS BECAUSE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT IS A BIG TOPIC.
I THINK WHEN THEY FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR GOALS ARE, PARKING IS GOING TO BE PART OF IT, AND I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THEM THAT LATITUDE TO EXPLORE ALL THE ASPECTS OF PARKING.
>> I ASSUME WE'RE GOING TO STICK WITH COMMERCIAL, CORRECT?
>> BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL BLEEDING INTO COMMERCIAL IN SOME AREAS.
>> WELL, I THINK THAT THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT SUBCOMMITTEE TO CUT THAT OUT AND TO ADDRESS IT SEPARATELY.
BUT I THINK IF WE TAKE THAT ON AS A SEPARATE PROJECT, I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON KNOW WHAT THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON.
>> NO. YOU DON'T WANT TO DUPLICATE IT.
>> LET ME LET ME ASK A QUESTION. BRING UP A GOOD POINT.
IS THE FINAL FOOTPRINT FOR THE NEW PUBLIX BEEN APPROVED?
>> THERE'S NOT AN OPEN ISSUE RELATIVE TO PARKING?
>> FOR NOW. THEY RECEIVE VARIANCES TO MOVE FORWARD.
>> BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOME LAYOUTS, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
WE WERE TALKING WHETHER OR NOT THEY MAY NOT NEED AS MUCH PARKING AS THERE IS THERE THAT COULD BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS.
>> THEY NEED ALL OF THE PARKING.
>> LET ME ASK. FROM STAFF STANDPOINT OF THESE, ARE THERE THINGS THAT YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT OR DO YOU HAVE PREFERENCES OF THINGS YOU'D LIKE US TO DO TO MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER OR MORE COMPLICATED?
>> THIS LIST IS REALLY BASED ON YOUR DISCUSSION AND WHAT AS A BOARD, YOU'D LIKE TO TACKLE.
ANY STAFF LEVEL PRIORITY, YOU WILL EITHER ADDRESS AS PART OF YOUR JUNE AMENDMENTS LARGELY MINOR AND INTER IN AN EFFORT TO CLEAN UP WHERE THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS WITHIN THE CODE.
BUT ANY LARGER INITIATIVES, WE ARE GOING TO LOOK TO YOU TO PROVIDE US WITH A LEVEL OF PRIORITY FOR THAT [OVERLAPPING] OUTSIDE OF ANYTHING THAT'S REGULATORY THAT WE ARE ALREADY ACTIVELY WORKING ON.
>> WE AGREE THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT.
>> UNDER THIS COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT, WE COULD HAVE A CLASS ON THAT FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
HAVE YOU COMPILED ANY LIST OF HOW YOU EXPECT US TO TACKLE THAT OR WHERE THE ISSUES ARE?
>> YOU'RE GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN IT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
>> IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING OR ARE WE WAITING ON SOMEONE TO GIVE US DIRECTION ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT, OR DO WE JUST PICK IT OURSELVES?
>> I THINK THAT THE BOARD IS GOING TO GIVE SOME INPUT TO THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME YOU MEET, EITHER.
>> SOME OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BLEEDING INTO OTHER AREAS.
MY POINT IS IS THAT AT THIS POINT, WE WENT FROM PARKING, NOW PARKING IS EVERYWHERE.
WHERE ARE THE ISSUES WITH COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT IN FERNANDINA BEACH NOW AND WHAT ARE THOSE ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO TACKLE? THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE.
I WANT TO SEE THAT LIST BEFORE WE GO RUNNING OFF FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
>> YEAH. YOU NEED TO DO THAT. I HAVE A LIST.
>> [INAUDIBLE]. THIS BOARD TO ME, IS TO HELP STAFF.
IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE OR A PROBLEM SOMEWHERE, I WANT TO KNOW THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO HELP THEM WORK ON.
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OR WHAT ARE ISSUES THAT ARE COMING INTO THE CITY THAT ARE NOT BEING ANSWERED AND WHERE WE CAN HELP THAT OUT.IF YOU LET US DECIDE THIS THING, WE'LL GO IN SO MANY DIRECTIONS, WE WON'T GET ANYTHING DONE.
I WANT TO KNOW FROM THE COMMISSION MET, THEY PUT OUT A LIST OF THEIR PRIORITY, SOMEWHERE IN THERE TO FLOW DOWN TO PRIORITIES FOR YOU ALL AND WHERE WE CAN HELP YOU WITH WHAT SOMEONE HAS ALREADY MENTIONED.
THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO HELP STAFF DO WHAT WE CAN, COME UP WITH SOME CHANGES, LANGUAGE, WHATEVER THAT IS, SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
I DON'T WANT TO BE AT THESE MEETINGS FOR THE REST OF OUR LIFE TRYING TO DECIDE, YOU WANT TO WORK ON BUTTERFLIES AND SHE WANTS BIRDS.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO GET US ANYWHERE.
>> YOU GOT IT ON THAT LIST NOW?
>> REDEVELOPMENT IS SUCH A BIG SUBJECT WITH SO MANY PROBLEMS THAT CAN OCCUR IN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
I WOULD LIKE TO ZERO THAT DOWN TO [INAUDIBLE].
>> AGAIN, THIS GETS BACK TO THE JOINT MEETING WE HAD WITH THE CITY COMMISSION.
IF WE REFLECT BACK ON THAT, IT WAS REALLY COMMISSIONER AYSCUE'S ONLY SUGGESTION.
I THINK THAT THAT WAS ONE OF HIS BIG GOALS WAS COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT.
HE DIDN'T REALLY GET INTO ANY OF THE OTHER ISSUES.
THAT WAS THE ONE HE WANTED US TO FOCUS ON.
NOW, I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO PERHAPS BRING IN NOT ONLY COMMISSIONER AYSCUE, BUT MAYBE SOME OTHER DEVELOPERS.
I'M SURE THAT MAYBE THAT'S ONE REASON THAT NICK WAS PUT ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.
BEING IN THE BIZ, THEY CAN GIVE THAT INPUT TO HELP DIRECT THIS SUBCOMMITTEES.
THESE SUBCOMMITTEES CAN GO OFF IN ANY DIRECTION AND GETTING SPECIFIC PROBLEM AREAS THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAN SOLVE, WOULD BE WHAT THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR.
I THINK THAT NICK AND THE MEMBERS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE ARE EXCELLENT CHOICES TO HELP US GET THAT WAY.
>> PLUS THE FACT, YOU HAVE TO DEFINE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE COMMERCIAL.
>> IF THEY'RE NOT HAVING PROBLEMS, ARE WE STILL GOING TO TELL THEM, NO, WE THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE THIS, OR WE THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT? THAT'S REALLY THE DEFINER.
IS THIS REALLY REDEVELOPMENT WITH SOME OF THE VACANT LOCKED SPOTS AND EVERYTHING?
>> BUT AGAIN, WE JUST NEED TO REMEMBER WHERE THIS CAME FROM.
IT CAME FROM COMMISSIONER AYSCUE, AND THAT WAS REALLY HIS ONLY POINT IN THAT DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD.
I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BRING HIM IN, OR THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAN.
I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DELVE INTO THE DEEPER ISSUES THAT HE MAY BE MORE FAMILIAR WITH AND HEARING ABOUT THAN WE ARE.
>> WE'LL GIVE INPUT. CAN BOARD MEMBERS ON THIS BE IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH THEM BETWEEN MEETINGS ON WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE ADDRESSED?
>> YOU CAN HAVE A 30-MINUTE WORKSHOP.
YOU'VE ALREADY GOT A BLOCK OF TIME SCHEDULED EVERY MONTH, JUST COME IN AND DO A 15 OR 20, 30 MINUTES.
DON'T BURDEN IT DOWN WITH A GREAT BIG WORKSHOP, JUST A DATE OF DUMPING IT OUT THE DOOR.
>> I WOULD ASSUME THAT ME AND MARK AND DAPHNE HAVE TO ADVERTISE OUR MEETINGS.
>> ANYBODY CAN ATTEND TO DO IT.
WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO IT SEPARATE FROM THIS?
>> HOW MUCH TIME IS NEEDED? [OVERLAPPING]
>> A MINIMUM OF SEVEN DAYS [INAUDIBLE].
>> YOU NEED SEVEN DAYS. RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WENT TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT, YOU ALREADY HAVE A ROOM AVAILABLE IF YOU WANT TO DO IT THEN.
BUT YOU'D HAVE TO NOTICE THIS BY NEXT WEDNESDAY, A WEEK FROM TODAY.
>> BUT WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE STAFF REACH OUT TO HER AND SEE.
>> KELLY, IF WE THINK OF SOMETHING MORE TO DO, I CAN GO AHEAD, SAY, I SAID, HOW ABOUT IF THEY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS OR MAYBE THEY CONSIDER? IF I SEND IT TO YOU, YOU CAN'T FORWARD TO HIM, RIGHT?
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>> YOU CAN SHARE IT AT THE WORKSHOP.
>> I WAS JUST PICKING TWO WEEKS FROM NEXT WEEK.
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WORKSHOP OR THEIR FIRST MEETING OF THE 23RD?
>> I WAS TALKING ABOUT OUR FIRST MEETING.
UNLESS YOU THINK THAT'S TOO SOON.
>> I THINK THE WAY STAFF WAS VISIONING IT HAPPEN IS YOU HAVE THIS SUBCOMMITTEE THAT YOU'VE ASSIGNED, AND THEN WE WOULD SCHEDULE A TIME, AND THEN WE WOULD START BRAINSTORMING ON WHAT IS IT THAT WE SEE IS THE PROBLEM, WHAT IS IT THAT'S PREVENTING SOME OF THIS REDEVELOPMENT THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE ANYWHERE, REALLY, I GUESS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE SHOPPING CENTERS.
HOW DO WE THINK THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO GET THAT INFORMATION? THERE'S WAYS TO TRY TO FIND THAT INFORMATION OUT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WHAT PROBLEMS ARE YOU HAVING IN ANY OF THESE COMMERCIAL PLACES?
>> I'M SORRY. SAY THAT AGAIN. YOU'RE ASKING WHAT?
>> WHAT PROBLEMS ARE YOU HAVING WITH COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT? I'VE HEARD THINGS FROM PARKING, PERMEABILITY, DENSITY.
PICK A SUBJECT, IT COULD BE THERE.
STAFF WORKING IN COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT, I THINK COMMISSIONER AYSCUE WAS HAVING SOME ISSUES WHEN HE WAS TRYING TO DO HIS BUILDING DOWN HERE AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHY HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
I DON'T KNOW. IF IT'S IN PARKING, WE CAN FOCUS ON THAT.
IF IT'S IN LANDSCAPING, THAT'S OKAY, IF IT'S IN CREATING LARGER SPACE THAN LET'S PERMIT IT.
FOR THE FOOTPRINT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT SUBJECT.
LIKE I SAID, SUCH A LARGE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I DON'T KNOW.
>> THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO DETERMINE THAT.
BECAUSE YOU SEE YOU'VE GOT AREAS THAT ARE NOT REDEVELOPING.
YOU COULD REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS IS ONE WAY TO GET THEIR PERSPECTIVE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] LET ME INTERRUPT YOU.
WHERE IS THAT? I SEE A LOT OF BUILDINGS AND I SAID THIS, I THINK LAST MEETING.
SOME OF THEM DON'T APPEAR TO HAVE TENANTS.
I KNOW FROM HISTORY THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF TENANTS IN PLACE, THEY'RE JUST NOT OPERATING, AND THE LIGHTS ARE OFF.
THEY HAVE A LEASE, THEY'RE WAITING FOR SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE ISSUE IS. WHERE'S THE PROBLEM? WHEN THESE DEVELOPERS COME, THEY COME TO THE STAFF WITH A PLAN TO DO SOMETHING, AND STAFF SAYS, NOT A PROBLEM, AND YOU MOVE FORWARD, OR THAT'S A MAJOR PROBLEM.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN OVERCOME THAT.
SOMEWHERE IN THERE IS SOME DIRECTION FOR US TO, WHAT CAN WE WORK WITH WHERE WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS IN REDEVELOPMENT IN FERNANDINA? WE HAVE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, WE HAVE RELATIVELY NEW IN THE LAST 20 OR 30 YEAR BUILDING, AND THOSE CREATE DIFFERENT ISSUES AND DIFFERENT PROBLEMS, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE AND WHAT DISTRICT YOU'RE IN.
IF YOU'RE DOWNTOWN, THAT'S A LOT DIFFERENT THAN PUBLIX SHOPPING CENTER.
THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD AND TEARING DOWN THE WHOLE BUILDING OR SOMEBODY ELSE MAY WANT TO TEAR DOWN PUBLIX, BUILD A NEW PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER AND PUT 40 UNITS ON TOP OF THAT AND MAKE IT A MIXED USE PROJECT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DO IN SOME OTHER PLACES.
THAT'S WHERE I DON'T KNOW WHAT DIRECTION YOU WANT US TO GO.
>> IN ADDITION TO IDENTIFYING PROPERTIES, I THINK WE CAN IDENTIFY PROPERTIES, BUT YOU ALSO CAN REACH OUT TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE HAD THE SAME EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST WHERE THEY'RE NOT SEEING THE REDEVELOPMENT AND THEY CAN'T PUT THEIR FINGER ON THAT'S EXACTLY WHY IS IT NOT REDEVELOPMENT, AND THEN THEY GET THAT REDEVELOPMENT.
>> I WOULD ASK NICK AND I WOULD ASK DAPHNE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS, AND THEY HAVE PEOPLE COMING TO THEM AND THEY'RE SAYING, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO AND NICK IS SAYING, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK OVER HERE.
BUT I NEED THAT LIST SO THAT I CAN MAYBE LOOK AT THINGS PRIOR TO THESE MEETINGS.
I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN REAL ESTATE FOR TOO LONG.
>> WELL, I'LL COMMENT. I DON'T THINK WE'RE TRYING TO FLUSH IT OUT TONIGHT.
>> YEAH, BUT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED SOMEONE TO FAIL FOR US TO ACT.
WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AHEAD TO WHERE WE KNOW THAT CERTAIN THINGS ARE TAILING OFF, LIKE ALL THE BIG BOXES ARE GOING OFF THE ISLAND.
YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING TO GET MORE OF THOSE HERE.
THEY'RE ALL OFF THE ISLAND. THE CHAIN RESTAURANTS ARE OFF THE ISLAND.
THEY'RE NOT HERE, FOR THE MOST PART.
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AND WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE.
LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS HAVE PEOPLE GO OUT OF BUSINESS, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO.
I THINK THAT NUMBER 1, IF YOU WANT TO INCENTIVIZE SOMEONE TO DEVELOP OR REDEVELOP,
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OUR IMPERVIOUS AREAS ARE WAY TOO LOW.THAT KILLS A LOT THE LION'S SHARE.
PUBLIX WOULDN'T REDEVELOP IF THEY HAD TO TEAR THE PARKING LOTS HOWEVER.
>> THOSE ARE LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT ARE IN OUR DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE CODE THAT I THINK IF WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE, AND I PERSONALLY THINK YOU INCENTIVIZE THEM BY PROVIDING LOTS BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS WE HAVE ARE OUR LOT AREAS ARE TOO SMALL.
IF YOU GO DOWN EIGHTH STREET, PEOPLE STARTED COMBINING SOME LOTS ON EIGHTH STREET AND MAYBE GOING BACK TO NINTH AND THEN THEY GET MORE AND MORE AND I KNOW FORMER CHAIR DOESN'T LIKE THE WORD INCENTIVIZE, BUT IF THEY MAKE MORE MONEY DOING IT AND THEY STILL PRODUCE A PRODUCT THAT WE WANT, THEY'LL DO IT.
WE GOT TO TELL THEM WHAT PRODUCT WE WANT THEM TO PRODUCE, THAT STILL IS A FINANCIAL BENEFIT TO THEM.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THAT HARD.
>> I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT COULD BE HARD FOR US TO TELL THEM WHAT PRODUCT THEY SHOULD.
>> YOU HAVE A VISION OF WHAT I UNDERSTAND YOU GOT TO BUILD A SPLIT FIRST BLOCK BUILDING.
>> YOU LEAVE IT UP TO THEM. MIXED USE IS A GREAT ENTRY WAY TO A LOT OF IT.
AT THE END, LIKE THE EIGHTH STREET OVERLAY, WE INTRODUCE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND THERE WERE CERTAIN OVERLAYS YOU CAN DO THAT LEGALLY.
PUDS YOU CAN DO THAT BECAUSE THEY OFFER IT.
>> I'LL TELL YOU THAT TO ME, THE THING THIS GIVES THE CHANCE TO DO, THERE ARE PLACES.
BUT THE MAIN THING WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH BY DOING THIS IS IMPROVING AND STRENGTHENING THE CHARACTER OF THE CITY.
IF YOU GO TO THESE PLACES, IF THE BIG BOX STORES ARE LEAVING, WELL, NOTHING IS MORE DESTRUCTIVE OF CHARACTER THAN A BIG BOX STORE ANYWAY. I'M HAPPY TO SEE IT GO.
NOW LET'S DO SOME COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT THAT IS CHARMING, THAT IS FERNANDINA BEACH LOOKING THAT ACTUALLY STRENGTHENS OUR CHARACTER AND PERSONALITY INSTEAD OF DESTROYS IT AS MANY OF THE THINGS THAT ARE LEAPING INTO IT.
>> I THINK ONE OF OUR BIGGEST PROBLEMS IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE THE ARCHITECTURAL SIDE OF IT.
THAT'S WHERE I THINK IF WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO COMES IN AND SAYS, YES, WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE EVEN FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, BUT YOU GOT TO GIVE ME 80% IMPERVIOUS.
I'LL PLANT ALL THE TREES YOU WANT, BUT AT LEAST WORK WITH PEOPLE TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO GIVE A PRODUCT THAT WE WOULD LIKE AND GET RID OF THE BLIGHT THAT WE HAVE OR IT MIGHT BE COMING.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, TO SUPPORT WHAT NICK IS SAYING, I AM ALL FOR INCENTIVIZING AN ORGANICALLY GROWN INCENTIVE.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE CITY PAYING OUT DOLLARS TO, AND THE EXAMPLE WE HAD OF A PRIOR SUBJECT, A LANDSCAPER TO GROW SPECIFIC NATIVE PLANTS SO THAT THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN PROVIDE THAT.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THE WORD INCENTIVIZE CAN BE TAKEN IN A LOT OF WAYS.
I JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT WORD.
>> WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR THE BOARD AND FOR STAFF, COULD WE DO A WORKSHOP IN TWO WEEKS AND THEN LET THEM MEET IN FOUR WEEKS? IS THAT WHAT THE 23RD, IS THAT?
>> WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS.
>> YES, THE BOARD COULD DO THAT.
>> I WILL NOT DO THAT, BUT I HAVE OTHER STAFF THAT CAN HELP YOU THROUGH THAT.
>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE.
WE CAN DO A WORKSHOP WITHOUT KELLY. I'M NOT SURE.
>> I'M PRETTY SURE YOU'LL BE JUST FINE.
>> GOING BACK TO MY QUESTION, CAN STAFF DRAW UP A LIST OF ITEMS THAT WE COULD WORK ON THAT COULD GO WITH OTHER LIST, TOO? BUT I WANT TO KNOW FROM STAFF WHAT'S GOING ON OR WHAT WE CAN HELP YOU WITH WITH COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT.
>> BUT MARK, THEY DON'T SEE A LOT OF IT BECAUSE IT DIES BEFORE IT EVER GOES TO THEM.
>> WELL, THEY DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE IT TO THEM.
>> THIS IS STUFF THAT DIES, MAYBE A TRC OR SOMETHING?
>> NO. IT NEVER EVEN MAKES IT THERE.
THEY WALK INTO AN OFFICE LIKE OURS, AND WE LAUGH THEM OUT OF THERE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY SETBACKS AND BUFFERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU GOT TO DO THAT THEY CAN ONLY DO A FRACTION OF WHAT THEY NEED TO MAKE IT MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE.
THEY DON'T SEE 80% OF THE ONES THAT DIE.
>> YOU NEED TO DRAW UP THE LIST THEN.
>> BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T WANT TO BE OUT GUESSING AND RUNNING DOWN.
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>> WELL, I JUST THINK WE'RE GOING TO ENCUMBER THEM WITH SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T EXPERIENCE THAT OFTEN.
>> YOU'RE YOU'RE THE FIRST LINE FILTER.
[OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO START LOOKING AT THE, DO I CALL IT THE ENGINEERING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY THAT AN IDEA HAS, AND YOU GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BRING IT FORWARD.
>> WHEN DOES COMMISSIONER AYSCUE'S SUGGESTIONS GOING TO COME IN? THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO FIND OUT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] LET'S KEEP THE BOARD GOING AND THEY'LL DO THAT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IF THERE'S A WORKSHOP.
>> I CAN CALL HIM UP AND ASK HIM WHAT HE HAS IN MIND.
>> WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT.
>> YOU TELL ME WHAT HE MEANT BY THAT.
>> I'LL SEND A LIST TO STAFF AND THEN STAFF CAN CIRCULATE.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO HAVE THE WORKS.
YOU [OVERLAPPING] WANT TO HAVE A WORKSHOP FOR EVERYONE?
>> YOU WANT TO DO THAT ON THE 23RD, RIGHT?
>> THREE O'CLOCK IS WONDERFUL.
>> WELL, KEEP IN MIND AGAIN, WE HAVE A PUBLIC IF WE WOULD LIKE TO.
>> WE'RE JUST GOING TO PUT THEM TO SLEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS.
>> YOU WANT TO MAKE THREE O'CLOCK ON THE 23RD?
[6.1 DISCUSSION ITEMS]
>> KELLY, ARE WE ON THE LONG TERM, I GUESS, I'LL HAVE TO CALL STRATEGIC PLAN TO REDO THE LDC IN 2026?
THE COMP PLAN WILL FOLLOW THE EAR.
>> THANK YOU, RICHARD, FOR PUTTING THAT IN.
>> THAT TAKES CARE OF OUR FIRST PART OF OUR LIST.
>> I LOOKED AT THE WATER SUPPLY PLAN UPDATE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN DO ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S WATER MANAGEMENT, FIRST THING ON THERE.
MOST OF THE THINGS HAVE TO DO WITH THE TESTING AND WATER AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF.
IS THAT SOMETHING TO DELETE BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT?
>> WELL IT STILL HAS TO COME TO THIS BOARD AND THEN GO UP TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
THIS IS A FIVE-YEAR UPDATE TO THAT PLAN, BUT IT IS ABOUT THE WATER SUPPLY AND THE REUSE.
>> BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY RESOURCES THAT ADDRESS THAT. WATER MANAGEMENT.
>> YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO PUT IN PLACE A PLAN THAT ADDRESSES THE REQUIREMENTS.
>> WE'RE STILL PUTTING THIS UP HERE FOR YOUR AWARENESS THAT IT IS FORTHCOMING.
YOU WILL SEE IT IN YOUR MAIN MEETING.
THIS IS THE STATUTE TO WHICH WE'RE RESPONDING TO.
IT'S A FIVE-YEAR UPDATE TO YOUR EXISTING WATER SUPPLY PLAN THAT HAS BEEN VETTED AND ANALYZED.
IT WILL ALSO BE FULLY REVIEWED BY [INAUDIBLE] DISTRICT BEFORE IT GETS TO YOU TO ENSURE THAT IT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE WATER STATUTE.
THIS IS REQUIRED TO BE DONE BECAUSE THEY HAVE UPLOADED THEIR REGIONAL SUPPLY PLANT.
IN RESPONSE TO THAT, WE'RE REQUIRED TO UPDATE OURS.
>> I'VE BEEN TO MEETINGS WHERE I'VE ALWAYS HEARD WE'RE SO FAR DOWN IN THE AQUIFER, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH WATER FOR FOREVER.
>> THAT ARGUMENT IS NOT VALID AND WE ARE REQUIRED TO PUT IN PLACE FOR TANK WATER AND REUSED WATER.
>> IN THAT PLAN, WE ALSO DETERMINE HOW MUCH IS BEING SUCKED OUT OF THE AQUIFER FOUR TWO PLANTS OVER HERE.
>> IT'S IN A CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT THAT THE CITY APPLIES FOR A DESIGNED WITH NO BASIS.
>> BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THEY TAKE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF GALLONS A DAY.
>> THE AQUIFER GETS A HALF A MILLION GALLONS AN HOUR OR SOMETHING.
[01:35:02]
>> THAT'S SOMETHING THE USE PERMIT IS USED TO INFORM SOME OF THIS WATER SUPPLY [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I HAVE NO IDEA OF SOME OF THIS.
WHAT'S THE RECHARGE RATE? WHAT'S THE THE OUTPUT RATE, AND HAS ANYBODY EVEN FIGURED THAT OUT? SOME LITTLE GUY DOWN THERE GOING, CHECK IT OVER 10,000 GALLONS. I'M MAKING A JOKE.
>> I KNOW THE AQUIFER IS UNDER THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA AT SOME POINT, IF YOU CAN GET THROUGH THE LIMESTONE IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
>> I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> I WAS FOCUSING ON THIS MAP.
>> THAT TOO. I LOOKED AT THAT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES THAT ARE OUT OF OUR UNDERSTANDING AND EVEN WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET THE INFORMATION.
WE DON'T NEED TO BE MEASURING THE FLOW OUT OF THE WATER PLANT. THAT IS WHAT IT IS.
>> BUT WE HAVE TO KNOW HOW MUCH WATER IS THERE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS FOR THE PLANT OR WHATEVER.
>> BUT JUST INCLUDE GRAY WATER?
>> WE SHOULD ALSO BE WORKING ON RE UTILIZING GRAY WATER OR USING.
>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO. WHERE IT WAS 20, 30 OR SOMETHING, THERE IS A POINT IN TIME WHERE YOU GOT TO REUSE IT.
>> THEY USE IT IN MOST OTHER PLACES IN SOUTH FLORIDA.
I'M GUESSING IT'S JUST A WASTE JUST TO FLUSH IT OFF IN THE OCEAN OR WHEREVER IT GO.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN TALK ABOUT THE MAP.
>> THIS WILL BE PART OF OUR RENEWAL OR WHATEVER THE PERMIT RENEWAL WOULD BE.
THERE'S A SERVICE AREA BOUNDARY ON THAT MAP THAT SHOWS THAT THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH PROVIDES WATER TO THIS ENTIRE AREA, AND THAT'S THEIR SERVICE BOUNDARY.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF THE COUNTY THAT ARE IN THIS REGION.
YET, THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE COMMISSION TO REQUEST SERVICE AND COMMISSION MAY GRANT IT, THE COMMISSION MAY NOT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN BURDEN PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY AND THEN PICK OR CHOOSE IF WE LIKE THEM OR THEIR PROJECT OR NOT, AND THEN SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU MAY NOT GET WATER, EVEN THOUGH WE SHOW IN THIS MAP THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE IT TO THEM.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN I HAVE IS WHY ARE WE DRAWING THESE MAPS IF WE DON'T ENFORCE IT?
>> BUT THAT'S NOT THE ENTIRE ISLAND.
THERE'S A YOUNG PLANTATION SOUTH OF THE AIRPORT AND ALL THOSE OTHER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, AND THAT'S ALL UNDER THE COUNTY.
>> BUT MY POINT IS, LET'S SAY A PROPERTY BY THE AIRPORT SAYS, I WANT WATER.
WE SAY, SORRY, WE DON'T LIKE YOUR PROJECT. YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT.
SOUTH END CANNOT COME INTO HERE AND PROVIDE WATER BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN REGION.
WE HAVE A REGION HERE TOO THAT WE SAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU WATER.
IF WE DECIDE NOT TO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT TO SOMEBODY WHO WE'VE ENCUMBERED IN THEIR AREA AND WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE A PLAN B.
>> DOES THE SOUTH PART OF THE ISLAND HAVE SEWAGE OR JUST WATER?
>> BUT AS I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY COMMISSION IS THAT THEY REALLY HAVE A VERY STRONG COMMITMENT TO GETTING RID OF SEPTIC TANKS, AS WE DO IN THE CITY.
I THINK THAT IN THE PAST, MAYBE THERE WAS MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT A PROJECT, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME MORE TIMES THAN NOT ON A PROJECT THAT COMES TO THE CITY COMMISSION, I HEAR THEM SAY, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A SEPTIC TANK, SO OKAY.
>> MY POINT IS, WHY DOES THEY GO TO A VOTE? IF WE'VE ESTABLISHED A MAP THAT SAYS, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE SERVICE, AND YOU'RE IN THAT MAP, THEN WE SHOULD PROVIDE SERVICE? I GET THE WHOLE ANNEXATION PART, IF YOU'RE CONTIGUOUS, YOU NEED TO ANNEX OR SIGN AN AGREEMENT THAT WHEN YOU ARE CONTIGUOUS, YOU WILL ANNEX.
I GET ALL THAT, BUT WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST PROVIDE THEM SERVICE INSTEAD OF MAKING THEM GO TO A BOARD THAT MAY OR MAY NOT VOTE FOR THEM.
>> I JUST THINK THAT'S WORTH SOMEONE PAYING ATTENTION TO.
>> BUT IS THAT IN OUR PURVIEW OR THE COMMISSION? I THINK IT WOULD BE THE COMMISSION?
>> I'M SURE IT'S THE COMMISSION ULTIMATELY.
>> NO. THE CITY ESTABLISHES THEIR SERVICE REGIONS AND THEY'VE PUT THAT ON THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL AND DEP, THEY GOT THEIR PERMITS, AND THAT'S HOW FLOW IS ESTIMATED.
[01:40:01]
THEY LOOK AT THE AREA OF THE UNITS, AND THEY SAY, WE GOT FOUR MGD OR WHATEVER THE FLOW.>> THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE, IS THAT AREA FULLY PLUMBED, SO TO SPEAK, OUR SUPPLY LINES, SEWER LINES, AND SO FORTH?
>> IN SOME CASES, IT IS, BUT IF IT'S NOT, THEN IT'S UP TO THE HOMEOWNER OR THE DEVELOPER TO EXTEND IT USUALLY.
IT'S NOT UP TO THE CITY TO DO IT.
THE CITY, IN SOME CASES, GETS ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE EXTENDED FOR FREE IF THEY PROVIDE THE SERVICE, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S WRONG TO PUT SOMEBODY IN A SERVICE REGION AND THEN PULL THE PLUG ON THEM.
>> WHY WOULD AN AREA THAT'S GETTING WATER AND SEWER NOT BE IN THE MAP BOUNDARY? CRANE ISLAND, I'M LOOKING ON HERE, IS OUTSIDE THE SERVICE AREA.
>> IT'LL PROBABLY BE UPDATED WHENEVER THE MAP IS UPDATED BECAUSE IT WAS ANNEXED.
>> WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YEAR THIS MAP WAS DONE?
>> NO. I THINK IT'S EVERY 10 YEARS, OR IS IT FIVE?
>> THEY'LL PROBABLY UPDATE IT.
>> BUT MY POINT IS, WHY DRAW A MAP IF YOU DON'T ENFORCE IT?
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WHO DREW UP THE MAP.
THEN WE HAVE THIS ABOUT BEING ENFORCED.
>> TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, NOBODY'S EVER BEEN DENIED WATER.
>> THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT.
>> UNLESS THEY HAVE IT FOR DEVELOPMENT, THEY'LL ASK FOR IT.
>> WHY CAN'T THEY NOT ASK FOR IT LIKE THEY GOT ACROSS THE STREET IF THEY'RE IN THIS MAP?
>> THEY HAVE RELAYED THAT TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, AND THERE THEY ARE LOOKING AT IT AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF IT LEGALLY AND FROM A GROWTH PERSPECTIVE AND EVERYTHING.
>> THEY PROBABLY USE THE CITY LIMITS AT ONE POINT.
>> ANOTHER AREA, THEY WILL COME IN WITH WHAT THEY CALL A MODERN MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT THAT WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, BASICALLY, THE WHOLE UTILITY STRUCTURE TEXAS USES.
THAT WOULD BE MORE WHAT I WOULD LOOK LIKE ON THE ISLAND.
YOU WOULD GET THESE MUD DISTRICTS.
THEY BASICALLY PROVIDE THE UPFRONT CAPITAL, AND THEN IT'S THE RETURN ON THAT.
THEY GO THROUGH LIKE A 30-YEAR BOND, AND THEN BASICALLY IT DISAPPEARS AND JUST GETS ABSORBED INTO THE CITY OR THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT.
>> TO THE CITY'S CREDIT, THEY'VE DONE THAT.
THEY BONDED AND EXPANDED ALL THEIR PLANTS AND THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SERVICE ALL THIS AREA.
>> WHAT COULD WE DO IF WE WERE GOING DO ANYTHING?
>> I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO EVERYONE.
I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN YOU DO ANYTHING ON IT.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH UPDATES, I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING.
>> VICTORIA, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT?
>> YEAH, I JUST BECAME AWARE OF AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO THE CITY COMMISSIONERS AND OUR CHAIR THAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING FOR THE REST OF THE BOARD TO BE AWARE OF.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S BEEN MORE CONVERSATION FROM THE CITY COMMISSION ON JOINING OF BOARDS OR KEEPING BOARDS SEPARATE AND THAT THING, BUT IT'S JUST AN FYI.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
IT WAS JUST AN FYI FOR THE BOARD.
>> THERE WERE SOME E MAILS THAT CAME OUT AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IF WE COULD OR COULD NOT JOIN OUR TWO BOARDS TOGETHER, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD.
IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WERE SOME CASES. YOU-ALL GOT THE EMAILS? I CAN'T BELIEVE I WAS THE ONLY ONE.
I DON'T GET EMAILS. THAT'S WHY [INAUDIBLE]
>> THERE'S SOME LITERATURE IN THE PACKAGE RIGHT HERE TOO.
>> BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN THE AGENDA PACKET, THERE IS A CITED IN 1984 ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION.
NOW, THAT OPINION RELATED TO STATUTES AND CITES TO SPECIFIC STATUTES THAT NO LONGER EXIST.
THOSE HAVE BEEN REPEALED AND REPLACED BY CHANGES BY THE LEGISLATURE.
THE APPLICATION OF THAT OPINION, I DON'T THINK HAS MUCH BECAUSE BASED ON THE STATUTES THAT ARE CITED ON THAT OPINION SPECIFICALLY SPOKE TO A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE.
NOW, CHAPTER 163 DOESN'T EVEN USE THOSE WORDS, DOESN'T EVEN IDENTIFY THAT BOARD ANY LONGER.
THE APPLICATION OF THAT OPINION WOULD BE VERY LOW.
I DON'T THINK IT HAS REALLY ANY VALUE TODAY BASED ON THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES OVER THE DECADES SINCE IT WAS ISSUED.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING IN CHAPTER 163 THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THEM FROM BEING COMBINED.
IN FACT, EVEN SOME OF THE STATUTES CITED IN THAT EMAIL SAY THAT THAT LOCAL PLANNING COMMITTEE CAN BE GIVEN WHATEVER ADDITIONAL POWERS THAT THE MUNICIPALITY DECIDES TO.
FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THEY CAN DO IT.
[01:45:03]
THEN THE LARGER QUESTION IS, SHOULD THEY?>> IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE IDENTIFY THE VARIOUS BOARDS AND MEMBERSHIP AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
IF THAT CAME OUT OF THIS BOARD., WOULD THOSE COME BACK TO US TO REVISE THOSE?
>> I THINK, YEAH, TO CHANGE THE MAKEUP OF THOSE BOARDS SINCE THEY ARE CREATED BY THE L LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR IDENTIFIED WOULD REQUIRE A REVISION TO THE CODE.
SOME OF THE OTHER PROPOSALS ARE TO SUNSET OTHER ADVISORY BOARDS THAT AREN'T IDENTIFIED, AND SO THAT'S A LOT EASIER TO ADDRESS, BUT FOR THE ECS, THERE WOULD BE NEED TO BE UPDATES TO THE LDC.
>> MY FEELING ON THIS IS THAT IT'S LIKE LOSING A COURT ARGUMENT OR SETTLEMENT, AND THEN TURN AROUND AND HAVE THE APPEALS JUDGE, THE SAME ONE TO HELD THE FIRST TRIAL.
THAT BY COMBINING THE TWO NECESSARILY PROVIDES THE BEST EQUITY TO THE CITIZENS.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE USING IT.
IT'S NOT US. IT'S THE CITIZENS.
THERE'S NO SECOND RIGHT OR REFUSAL, SO TO SPEAK ON THIS THING.
BECAUSE I WOULD SEE IT AS IF THE PAB SAID, NO, YOU CAN'T, THEN THE SAME BOARD COMES BACK AND SAYS, HERE'S THE OTHER CRITERIA, I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE GOING TO GET A BALANCED OPINION.
>> YOU'RE NOT GETTING A FAIR OPINION FROM A NEW LOOK AT IT.
>> AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE, PROBABLY NOT NECESSARILY THE BEST ONE, BUT OVER AT THE TREGALI PROPERTY, WHEN THE PAB GOT DONE, THEY SAID, WE DON'T AGREE WITH IT, BUT WE RECOMMEND THAT IT BE MOVED TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR EVALUATION AND A JUDGMENT.
>> WE'D ONLY HEAR AT ONE TIME AND IT'D BE OVER WITH.
>> WHICH THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT THAT.
>> IT COULD DEPEND ON HOW IT'S STRUCTURED TOO.
BECAUSE I THINK WHETHER YOU'RE SITTING IN AN ADVISORY ROLE OR A QUASI JUDICIAL, IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE APPLICATION IS BEFORE YOU.
IF TREGALI IS AN EXAMPLE, IF THAT WAS AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAT REVIEW, A SUBDIVISION REVIEW, AND YOU'RE SAYING, NO, WE REALLY THINK THIS SHOULD BE A VARIANCE, I THINK YOU CAN ONLY RULE ON THE APPLICATION THAT'D BE BEFORE YOU, SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT QUASI JUDICIAL HAT ON YOU, AND I THINK IT STILL WOULD BE TRACKING THE SAME WAY.
I DON'T THINK COMBINING THE TWO OF THEM WOULD AVOID THAT OUTCOME.
THAT'S THE DETAILS ON HOW IT'S DRAFTED.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT NOW WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT.
>> BUT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHAT PRECISELY.
>> ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? STAFF REPORTS?
[7. STAFF REPORT]
>> HAS ANYBODY FILED ANY APPLICATIONS FOR NEXT MONTH?
>> BUT WE WILL HEAR THIS AGAIN FROM TIFFANY?
>> I WON'T BE HERE NEXT MONTH.
>> WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW WHAT WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT ON THE LANDSCAPE.
THAT SHOULD BE FINAL PRODUCT NEXT MONTH? THAT GETS THAT ONE DONE..
IT WILL BE READY FOR YOUR REVIEW.
IT WILL NOT BE ADVERTISED FOR YOUR FORMAL [INAUDIBLE]
>> BUT IF WE'VE GOT ANYTHING, IT'S GOING TO BE [INAUDIBLE]
>> NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT ON SUMI.
>> ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.