[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF A QUORUM]
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>> THE APRIL 7TH, 2025 HEARING IN THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND APPEALS BOARD IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER.
BOARD SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> HERE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS BEFORE WE GET STARTED HERE WITH ALTERNATIVES.
WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE SO WE'LL STAND AND THEN AFTERWARDS, AN INVOCATION IF WE COULD FROM THE REVEREND.
>> LET US PRAY. OUR FATHER GOD, WE COME TODAY LORD, AND WE JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY BLESSINGS.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR MULTITUDE OF TENDER MERCIES.
FATHER, WE JUST THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO ASSEMBLE HERE, TAKE CARE OF THE BUSINESS OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND APPEALS BOARD.
FATHER, WE INVOKE YOUR PRESENCE IN THIS MEETING, LEAD AND GUIDE IN A MANNER THAT'S PLEASING IN THEIR SIGHT.
WE GIVE YOU THE PRAISES, THE HONOR AND THE GLORY.
IT'S IN JESUS NAME, WE PRAY, LET EVERY HEART SAY?
>> THANK YOU, REVEREND THOMPSON.
HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING?
[3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
>> CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER 7TH, 2024 MEETING?
>> CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE FEBRUARY 6TH, 2025 MEETING?
>> ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED? ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA THAT WE HAVE?
>> YES. WE ONLY HAVE ONE CASE TONIGHT,
[4.1 DONNA PERKINS, 2673 GREGOR MCGREGOR BLVD., CASE #2024-0293]
AND THAT IS CASE NUMBER 2024-0293 FOR MS. DONNA PERKINS.>> THE OTHER TWO CASES, WHAT HAPPENED THERE?
>> THE ONE ON 128, NORTH 13TH TERRACE.
HE PULLED A DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR THAT PROPERTY.
THE OTHER CASE, WE HAD TO RESCHEDULE THAT.
>> WHICH ONE WAS THE DEMOLITION?
>> 128 NORTH 13TH TERRACE AND THE ONE ON ELLEN, WE HAD TO RESCHEDULE THAT.
WE'LL SEE THAT ONE NEXT MONTH.
>> I KNOW WE MAY HAVE BEEN OVER THIS BEFORE, BUT IF THE BOARD ATTORNEY COULD GO OVER THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PARTNERSHIP PROCEEDINGS.
>> SURE. FOR OUR CASE SITE, IT WILL BE GOVERNED BY OUR QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS.
THAT MEANS THE BOARD WILL BE RECEIVING EVIDENCE, ALTHOUGH THE RULES WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE RELAXED THAN IF THIS WERE A COURT ROOM.
BUT ANYONE THAT INTENDS TO TESTIFY WILL NEED TO BE SWORN BY THE CLERK, AND EVIDENCE MAY BE PRESENTED IN THE FORM OF TESTIMONY OR DOCUMENTS AND PHOTOGRAPHS.
STAFF WILL PRESENT THE CASE FIRST.
THEY'LL BE SUBJECT TO ANY CROSS EXAMINATION OR QUESTIONING BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER OR HER REPRESENTATIVE WILL BE ABLE TO PRESENT HER CASE AND ALSO BE SUBJECT TO ANY QUESTIONING FROM STAFF OR FROM THE BOARD.
ANY PERSON THAT DISAGREES WITH THE DECISION OF THIS BOARD WILL HAVE 30 DAYS TO APPEAL THAT TO THE NASSAU COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT.
THAT 30 DAYS BEGINS UPON THE SIGNING OF THE FINAL ORDER BY THE CHAIR.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEDURES?
>> NONE. NO. ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAD ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS REGARDING THE CASE THAT WE'LL BE HEARING TONIGHT?
>> I CAN SAY THAT I REGULARLY DRIVE BY THE PROPERTY, IT'S A REGULAR ROUTE FOR ME, BUT THAT'S IT.
COULD WE DO A SWEARING IN OF THE WITNESSES FOR ANYBODY WHO WILL BE TESTIFYING, PLEASE?
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY AND/OR EVIDENCE THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IN THE CONSENT IS THE TRUE, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU.
>> OUR FIRST CASE IS ACTUALLY A REVIEW HERE OF DONNA PERKINS 2673 GREGOR MCGREGOR BOULEVARD CASE 2024-0293.
CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
>> GOOD EVENING. GEORGE WELLS, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH.
IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY OR ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO SUBMIT INTO THE RECORD, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THAT INTO THE RECORD.
THE BOARD HAD HEARD THIS CASE BACK IN FEBRUARY 6TH OF 2025, AND I BELIEVE THEY RECOMMENDED
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A 60 DAY EXTENSION AND TO MEET BACK AT THIS MEETING TONIGHT.MS. PERKINS IS HERE, I GUESS TO GIVE US AN UPDATE OF WHERE SHE'S AT, WHAT'S HAPPENING.
MS. PERKINS, IF YOU CAN GO UP TO THE PODIUM AND FILL US IN ON WHAT'S GOING ON OR THE BOARD MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. STATE YOUR NAME.
>> COULD YOU JUST GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
>> DONNA PERKINS, 2673, GREGOR MCGREGOR BOULEVARD, FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA 32034.
>> WELL, I'VE GOT NOWHERE WITH MY INSURANCE COMPANY, SO I HAD TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY TO SEE WHERE WE CAN GO WITH THAT.
TALK TO TWO ATTORNEYS AND I HAVE MY RIGHTS FOR THEM TO FIX MY PROPERTY.
THEY SAY THEY WILL NOT BECAUSE THE DAMAGE IS MAINTENANCE, AND THAT'S REALLY NOT TRUE.
I HAVE A TRUCK ON MY PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT REALLY BELONG TO ME AND THE LADY WHO BELONGS TO LIVES IN ALABAMA, AND SHE'S GOING TO COME THIS WEEK, AND WE'LL GET THAT SETTLED AND TAKE IT AWAY OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO WITH IT.
>> I CAN SCROLL THROUGH THESE PHOTOGRAPHS HERE.
THESE WERE PHOTOS TAKEN TODAY.
THAT HADN'T CHANGED TOO MUCH FOR THIS.
THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT SOFFIT AND THAT FASCIA, AND ALL THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S DROPPED WAY DOWN MORE SO THAN EVEN THE FIRST TIME.
YOU KNOW THE PICTURE BUT THAT'S THE FENCE DEBRIS THAT'S BEEN REMOVED AND TAKEN DOWN.
>> THAT'S THE SECOND PART OF IT.
THE FIRST PART THEY CAME AND TOOK AWAY, BUT THERE'S PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET THAT THEY ARE REDOING THAT HOUSE AND GUTTING THE HOUSE AND SO THEY'VE HAD PEOPLE TRUCKS PARKED THERE.
THE CITY CAN'T PICK IT UP RIGHT NOW. [NOISE]
>> AS YOU CAN SEE THE POOL IS STILL UNSECURED, EVEN THOUGH, MS. PERKINS, IT'S STILL EMPTY, CORRECT?
>> BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE THAT IT'S UNSECURED FOR US.
>> WELL, I HAD A FELLOW COME OUT PUT FENCE UP AROUND IT, BUT HE COULDN'T GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO GET IN THERE WITH HIS STUFF TO DO IT ACROSS THE STREET.
I'VE TALKED TO THEM, EVERY TIME I TRIED TO TALK WITH THEM, IT WAS PEOPLE WORKING FOR OTHER PEOPLE AND THEY COULDN'T GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWER ABOUT WHEN THEY'D BE THERE SO I COULD GET HIM COME IN.
HE'S JUST GOING TO PUT A FENCE AROUND THE POOL.
>> IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THEY PUT THAT TEMPORARY GALVANIZED CHAIN LINK FENCING AROUND IT?
>> YES. I'VE GOT THE MATERIAL, AND HE HAS IT, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO GET IT DONE.
>> WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT, OFFICER WELLS?
>> I FEEL FOR MS. PERKINS FOR SURE BECAUSE I KNOW DEALING WITH INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE VERY DIFFICULT.
BUT WITH THIS POOL BEING THE UNSAFE NATURE THAT IT IS, WE NEED TO GET SOMETHING UP AROUND THAT POOL ASAP.
NOW, THE REST OF IT, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE BOARD RULES TONIGHT, AS FAR AS IF YOU DO GIVE HER MORE TIME TO GET THIS FIXED, BUT THAT POOL AREA HAS GOT TO BE SECURED SOME TYPE GALVANIZED OR SOME TYPE OF TEMPORARY FENCING THAT SOMEBODY CAN'T JUST GO UP THERE AND PUSH IT OVER.
IT WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE ADEQUATE PROTECTION SOMEBODY FALLING IN THERE.
>> WELL, FROM PINCH PENNY, I'VE ORDERED A FULL COVER, BUT THEY HAVE TO MAKE IT.
I ORDERED THAT PROBABLY A WEEK AFTER I WAS HERE LAST TIME, AND I STILL DON'T HAVE IT YET.
THAT'LL BE PUT ON IT, AND THEN THE FENCE.
>> IS THAT THE TYPE THAT YOU ACTUALLY CAN WALK ON OR IS IT JUST A COVER?
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT, BUT IT'S AN UNUSUAL POOL SO THEY HAD TO MAKE IT.
I WISH I COULD JUST GET A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME AND I'LL MAKE EVERYTHING SECURE.
>> IF THAT WAS A SECURE OR WALKABLE COVER, THEN DOES SHE STILL NEED TO SECURE THE FENCING
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AROUND IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE COULD FALL INTO?>> WELL, THAT'S A TEMPORARY FIX TO SAFEGUARD THE SAFETY OF SOMEBODY FALLING IN THAT POOL BECAUSE THAT'S MORE OR LESS A TEMPORARY MEASURE. IT'S NOT A PERMANENT.
>> TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THAT SEEMS WORSE THAN NOT HAVING IT COVERED.
IF SOMEBODY WAS TO WALK OR RIDE A BIKE IN THAT AND IT COLLAPSED ON TOP OF HIM.
>> I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE BOARD.
>> WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION THEN?
>> WELL, JUST TO REVIEW, TO HELP OUT.
TO REVIEW WHEN WE LAST MET BACK FOR FEBRUARY, AND THERE WAS 60 DAYS, WHAT WAS ON THE TABLE THEN?
>> WELL, THE TABLE THEN, IT WAS-
>> WE RECOMMENDED A MOTION BE MADE TO FIND THE RESPONDENT IN VIOLATION OF 42117, GIVEN THE OWNER 30 ADDITIONAL DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
THEN A MOTION TO BE MADE THAT ALL ADMIN FEES BE PAID BY THE RESPONDENT AND A FINE OF $50 PER DAY BEGINNING AFTER THAT 30TH DAY.
>> YES. THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION, 30 DAYS.
>> NONE. I'M JUST ASKING A LOT.
FENCE COMPANIES, WE SEE THEM ALL THE TIME FOR WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS AT MAINE BEACH, WHATEVER, DON'T THEY HAVE THESE POSTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN CONCRETE, AND THEY SET THOSE AND DO CHAIN LINK AROUND THAT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT?
>> YES, I DO. IT'S GOING TO BE A CHAIN LINK.
I ALREADY HAVE BOUGHT THE MATERIAL, BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW HE'S GOING TO FIX IT.
>> MS. PERKINS, THE INDIVIDUAL YOU HAVE TO DO THE WORK, HAS HE GIVEN YOU ANY TIME FRAME IN WHICH HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO START THIS JOB TO DO IT?
>> I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM IN A WEEK OR SO BECAUSE HE TRIED TO COME UP HERE AND FIX IT TWO TIMES.
HE'S GOT A BIG COMPANY, BUT YOU DON'T DO IT WHEN YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO THEN YOU GET PUSHED BACK.
I WAS HOPING MY INSURANCE COMPANY WOULD COME THROUGH, AND I COULD GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE BIG FENCE, BUT THEY HAVEN'T SO FAR.
>> YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY IS SAYING THEY'RE NOT LIABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THIS IS A MAINTENANCE ISSUE?
>> YES AND THAT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE BECAUSE THOSE WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH AND THE EAST SIDE HAVE BEEN REPLACED TWO YEARS AGO.
BECAUSE I HAD SOMEONE SHOOT THE WINDOWS OUT FIVE TIMES SO I HAD FIVE TIMES TO REPLACE THOSE WINDOWS.
>> WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE THE CONDITION OF THE SIDING DUE, OLD AGE OR WEATHER?
>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE?
>> THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT SIDING.
>> WELL, EXCUSE MY EXPRESSION SIDING.
SOFFIT AND EAVES, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM.
>> SOFFIT. BUT THAT WAS UP THERE BEFORE THE STORM CAME.
IT WAS THREE HOURS OF 50 MILE AN HOUR WINDS AROUND MY HOUSE THAT EVENING.
>> THIS IS THE STORM YOU'RE SAYING THIS YEAR?
>> IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF DAMAGE THAT'S BEEN MORE THAN A COUPLE OF MONTHS OLD.
>> NO. OF COURSE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF HOLES IN THE OTHER SIDE TOO, AND JUST BIG CHUNKS LIKE A DINOSAUR BIT.
NO, THAT WAS NOT THERE PRIOR TO THE STORM.
>> WELL, I THINK MS. PERKINS HAS MADE A VALID ATTEMPT WITH LIMITED RESOURCES TO TRY TO RETURN HERSELF INTO COMPLIANCE.
MY THOUGHT IS ANOTHER 30 DAYS MIGHT GIVE HER JUST THE TIME SHE NEEDS IN ORDER FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.
AT LEAST THE FENCE BETTING UP.
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>> YOU WANT TO TABLE THE OTHER INFRACTIONS, BUT GIVE HER AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS TO FENCE THE POOL IN, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
>> I JUST THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK IN 30 DAYS WITH THE SAME THING AND BE ANSWERING IT.
>> HOW LONG DO YOU FEEL YOU NEED TO GET THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> I THINK I NEED AT LEAST 60 MORE DAYS.
>> TO FENCE THE POOL, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVE NO IDEA BECAUSE I'M NOT DOING THE WORK MYSELF, BUT I KNOW THAT IT'S IMPORTANT.
>> IT'S POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS.
MAY I SUGGEST GETTING THINGS IN WRITING? BECAUSE THAT HELPS US ON THE BOARD KNOW THAT THEN IT'S OUTSIDE OF YOUR MANAGEABLE CONTROL IN CASES WHERE THAT IS THE CASE.
>> I WILL DO THAT. I CAN DO THAT.
>> ADDITIONALLY, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DECIDE HERE, YOU ARE ABLE TO SEND WRITTEN UPDATES TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM IN LIEU OF HAVING TO SHOW UP HERE FOR CERTAIN UPDATES.
NOT ALL CASES, BUT IF THERE IS A DETERMINATION WHERE THERE IS MORE TIME AWARDED TO YOU, YOU CAN SEND WRITTEN UPDATES THAT ARE SHARED WITH THE BOARD, WHERE YOUR PRESENCE IS NOT REQUIRED HERE.
THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE FOR EVERYTHING, BUT JUST TO BE A BIT MORE ACCOMMODATING TO YOU WHERE VIABLE.
>> DO WE HAVE A MEETING IN MAY?
>> THE SHRIMP FESTIVAL THING IS [INAUDIBLE]?
>> WE MOVED IT FROM THE 1ST TO THE 5TH.
>> IT'S THE MONDAY AFTER SHRIMP FESTAL.
>> MS. PERKINS, I HATE TO GET INTO THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF IT, BUT IF THE INSURANCE COMPANY DOES NOT COME THROUGH WITH ANY MONEY, ARE YOU ABLE TO PUT A NEW ROOF AND MAKE ALL THOSE REPAIRS TO THAT SOFFIT AND FASCIA?
>> I CAN REPAIR THE SOFFIT AND THAT, BUT I CAN'T PUT A ROOF ON IT.
NO. I PAID $6,000 FOR INSURANCE.
>> WHEN I RETIRED, I PUT ASIDE MONEY FOR INSURANCE AND TAXES FOR SIX YEARS.
THAT'S WHY THE INSURANCE COMPANY HAS TOLD ME SO MANY UNTRUTHS.
THEY SAID, FIX EVERYTHING WE'LL SEND YOU MONEY FOR IT.
I DON'T HAVE THAT. THEN I WAS TOLD BY ONE OF THE INSURANCE PEOPLE THAT IF THEY DON'T THEY DON'T PAY A CLAIM, THEN THEY GET MONEY FOR THAT.
THAT'S THEIR BONUS. NOT PAYING CLAIMS. THAT'S WHY I HIRED THE ATTORNEY.
I TALKED TO MY OWN ATTORNEY WHEN I HAD MY BUSINESS, AND I HAD GOOD INSURANCE.
THAT'S WHY SHE RECOMMENDED ME TO FIND SOMEONE THAT DOES INSURANCE CLAIMS LIKE THAT. THAT'S WHAT I DID.
>> BUT YOU ARE ABLE TO SECURE THE POOL WITH MATERIALS THAT YOU HAVE NOW?
>> YOU CAN DO THAT IN HOW MANY DAYS?
>> THIRTY TO 40 DAYS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
LIKE I WAS TELLING THIS LADY HERE, I'M NOT DOING IT, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE.
I CAN'T SAY A DAY [INAUDIBLE].
HE'S A LITTLE ANGRY BECAUSE HE COULDN'T GET THERE.
>> OFFICER WALLACE, IS THERE ANYTHING THE CITY CAN DO TO CLEAR THE STREET ON A PARTICULAR DAY?
>> YEAH. SHE'S HAVING ACCESS ISSUES TO GET THE FENCE UP.
IF THERE'S SOMEBODY PARKED ON THE STREET, [OVERLAPPING].
>> THERE'S NO ACCESS ISSUES HERE, COME ON.
>> SINCE THE LAST MEETING WE HAD IN FEBRUARY, WHEN DID YOU HIRE THE LAWYER TO LOOK INTO YOUR INSURANCE?
>> THEY HAVEN'T GONE ANYWHERE IN 60 DAYS?
>> WELL, HE'S SENT LETTERS AND SPOKEN TO PEOPLE.
OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
>> WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU TALKED TO HIM?
>> LAST TIME I TALKED TO HIM WAS LAST WEEK.
>> HIS UPDATE WAS HE HASN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING BACK FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANY?
>> NO, HE HAS NOT. HE TOLD ME I HAD EVERY RIGHT TO GET MONEY, I GUESS.
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HE SAID, WOULD I SETTLE FOR THEM NOT JUST GIVING ME A CHECK, BUT FOR THEM TO LET ME GET ESTIMATES AND THEN PAY THAT? I SAID, OF COURSE, I DON'T CARE ABOUT GETTING THE MONEY.THERE WERE OTHER THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT THAT'S [INAUDIBLE] THERE AND ET CETERA.
>> I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GONE DOWN A RABBIT HOLE, BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL OF THESE ISSUES; THE SOFFIT, THE ROOF, THE POOL, I'M TRYING TO FIND THE PAPERWORK.
ARE THOSE SEPARATE VIOLATIONS, LIKE THE POOL IS SEPARATE FROM THE? IT'S ALL JUST UNDER ONE UMBRELLA?
>> I GUESS MY QUESTION TO THE ATTORNEY TOO, ARE WE ABLE TO PARSE THIS OUT AND SAY, LOOK, HERE'S WHAT WE WANTED? WE WANT THIS POOL TAKEN CARE OF BY A CERTAIN TIME OR ELSE, AND THEN THE REST OF IT MOVES TO ANOTHER TIME FRAME.
>> THE WAY THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT IN THE PAST IS THAT IT'S JUST A CONTINUANCE OF THE HEARING, BUT YOU'RE INFORMING THE OWNER OF WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE WHEN YOU COME BACK.
REALLY THE GOAL IS GOING TOWARDS COMPLIANCE, AND SO IF THERE ARE CERTAIN BENCHMARKS OR IDENTIFIED EFFORTS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE MADE, YOU CAN CERTAINLY ADVISE PROPERTY OWNER OF WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE WHEN YOU COME BACK, AND IF THOSE AREN'T MET, THEN IT IS RIGHT FOR DETERMINATION AND IMPOSING A FINE AT THAT POINT.
REALLY, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS GIVING MORE TIME FOR COMPLIANCE, BUT YOU CAN CONTINUE IT AS MANY TIMES AS IT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, WHILE WE STILL HAVE A BOARD.
>> NO, THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO DO IT, IS THAT YOU JUST MAKE SURE WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS OF THIS BOARD WHEN YOU HAVE A CONSENSUS ARE, AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE CLEARLY COMMUNICATED TO MS. PERKINS, SO SHE KNOWS WHAT'S EXPECTED OF HER.
BUT YOU'RE, IN ESSENCE, JUST CONTINUING THE HEARING.
>> WITH THAT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS?
>> I DO. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD FIND MS. PERKINS IN VIOLATION OF THE POOL BEING UNSECURED, STARTING TODAY WITH A FINE, THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE THE OTHER ISSUES AND GAVE HER AN ADDITIONAL 60 DAYS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEING TAKEN SERIOUS HERE.
>> THE DIFFICULTY IN THAT IS THERE AREN'T SEPARATE CHARGES OR ALLEGATIONS.
IT'S ALL LUMPED INTO THE SAME CODE AS FAR AS A LACK OF MAINTENANCE AND SO [OVERLAPPING].
>> BUT YOU JUST SAID THAT WE COULD BREAK THEM UP, THOUGH.
>> WELL, I SAID YOU WOULD BE CONTINUING IT AND GIVING HER MORE TIME TO COME BACK WITH WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE, THAT WHAT SHE DOES IN THE INTERIM, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD FINE FOR ONE PART, AND THEN WHAT IF THE OTHERS DON'T GET FIXED, YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE FINE? IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT'S CONTEMPLATED IN OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE.
IT'S A HEARING, YOU IMPOSE THE FINE AND THAT'S THE FINE.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, WELL, THIS IS COUNT 1, WE'RE DOING THIS, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE OTHERS, AND THEN SAVING THOSE FOR ADDITIONAL FINES LATER.
>> RIGHT. FINES CAN BE RE-EXAMINED DOWN THE ROAD, CORRECT? IF A FINE IS DECIDED TO BE X AMOUNT TODAY, IT CAN EITHER BE REDUCED OR INCREASED AT A DIFFERENT TIME?
THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE APPLICATION, SEPARATE PROCESS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE WITH THAT.
>> WELL, THE PROPERTY HAS ALREADY BEEN FOUND IN VIOLATION.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN ALSO DO AS JUST ANOTHER OPTION IS YOU COULD GIVE A NEW COMPLIANCE DATE.
GO AHEAD AND IMPOSE THE FINE, AND IF THAT COMPLIANCE ISN'T MET IN THE FUTURE, THE FINE DATES BACK TO TODAY OR TOMORROW, RATHER, I THINK APRIL THE 8TH IS WHAT WHAT WE HAD IN THE PRIOR RULING.
THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY TO ADDRESS IT, IS THE CLOCK IS RUNNING, THERE IS THAT ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM THAT'S IN PLACE, BUT IF SHE OBTAINS COMPLIANCE AT THE FUTURE DATE THAT YOU COULD THEN DECIDE NOT TO IMPOSE THAT.
>> WHAT IF PARTIAL COMPLIANCE IS MET, GIVEN A NEW DEADLINE?
>> THEN IT'S UP TO THIS BOARD'S PURVIEW OF WHAT TO DO IN THAT NEXT HEARING DATE.
>> WE COULD DO 30 DAYS FOR THE POOL AND 60 DAYS FOR THE OTHER SOFFIT.
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>> THAT WAS MY SUGGESTION BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT.
>> IT SHOULD BE IN VIOLATION UNLESS ALL OF COMPLIANCE.
>> BUT WE COULD REVISIT THE OTHER ISSUES [OVERLAPPING].
>> FINES. WE CAN REVISIT THE FINES, TOO.
BUT THEY CAN GO INTO EFFECT BEGINNING APRIL 8TH, CORRECT?
>> THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS THAT NASSAU COUNTY CONDUCTS THAT, IS THEY'LL OFTEN HAVE THAT FINING DATE AND THEN HAVE A LATER FINE ASSESSMENT HEARING AFTER THE VIOLATION HEARING GIVES AN ADDITIONAL TIME TO COMPLY, BUT IF THEY DON'T COMPLY, THAT DATE IS ALREADY SET AND THOSE FINES HAVE ALREADY ACCRUED, AND THEY'RE JUST FORMALLY PUT [INAUDIBLE].
>> THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
>> MR. [INAUDIBLE]. WE'RE JUST NOT BREAKING IT OUT IN SEPARATE PIECES.
>> COULD I SAY SOMETHING? I AM A GOOD TAXPAYER.
I HAVE ALWAYS PAID MY TAXES ON TIME IN THIS COMMUNITY AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK I'M BEING TREATED FAIRLY BY SOME SAYING THEY DON'T THINK THIS OR THEY DON'T THINK THAT.
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT I THINK.
I THINK I SHOULD ALWAYS PAY AND PAY ON TIME, MY TAXES, AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE DONE.
I'VE HAD SERIOUS ILLNESSES THE PAST FIVE YEARS, AND THAT HAS BEEN ONE OF MY PROBLEMS. MY HUSBAND DIED, AND I DON'T HAVE ANYONE BUT MYSELF TO TAKE CARE OF THINGS ALL THE TIME.
>> THANK YOU, MS. PERKINS. I MEAN, CLEARLY, SHE IS NOT GOING TO DO THIS WORK HERSELF, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS BEYOND A RESPONDENT'S MANAGEABLE CONTROL, HENCE THE RECOMMENDATION TO DOCUMENT THINGS IN WRITING.
I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING MORE TIME WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE POOL IS OF THE UTMOST PRIORITY AND SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AS IMMEDIATELY AS FEASIBLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TIME FRAME WOULD LOOK LIKE SINCE WE CAN'T SPLIT AND THERE ARE VARIOUS ASPECTS.
>> WHEN WAS THE ORIGINAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY?
>> IT'S BEEN SINCE OCTOBER THAT THE POOL HAS BEEN ESSENTIALLY ACCESSIBLE?
>> IT'S A LONG TIME. I AGREE WITH THAT, COUNSEL.
I MEAN, I THINK YOU BRING UP VERY VALID POINTS.
I'M TRYING TO THINK ABOUT, MAYBE WE'RE LUCKY THAT SOMEBODY HASN'T FALLEN INTO THAT POOL.
I MEAN, THINK ABOUT IT THAT WAY.
WE'RE FORTUNATE. IT'S BEEN OPEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
I THINK THAT HAS TO BE A PRIORITY, AND I UNDERSTAND ALL THE TROUBLES THAT YOU HAVE, BUT YOU HAVE THE MATERIAL.
WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PUT TOGETHER TO GET THAT [OVERLAPPING].
>> WELL, YOU DO IT. IT'S JUST THAT THINGS HAVEN'T RUN SMOOTHLY LIKE I WANTED THEM TO.
I DON'T KNOW THE DATES, BUT THAT THERE WAS A FENCE UP, CORRECT?
>> YEAH. THERE WAS A PART OF THE FENCE [OVERLAPPING].
MULTIPLE SECTIONS THAT WERE DOWN THAT HAD EITHER BLOWN OVER OR WHATEVER.
IT WAS UNSECURED THE DAY THAT I WENT OUT THERE.
>> NICOLE, WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND?
>> I RECOMMEND A CONTINUANCE OF 30 DAYS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WILL LIKELY BE LESS LINIENCY FROM THE BOARD IF THE POOL IS NOT ADDRESSED IN THAT TIME GIVEN THAT IT IS A VALID SAFETY HAZARD TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE.
THEN HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE SOME UPDATES FROM THE LAWYERS ON THE INSURANCE CASE, WHICH IS ALSO OUTSIDE OF HER MANAGEABLE CONTROL AND WILL GIVE US THEN, HOPEFULLY, A REASONABLE TIME FRAME TO ADDRESS THE SOFFIT AND ROOFING. IS THAT GREAT FOR THE CITY?
>> IN 30 DAYS, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN?
>> WE WOULD HAVE A HEARING AGAIN FOR A CONFIRMATION THAT THE POOL HAS BEEN FENCED IN SUITABLY, AND MY EARLIER STATEMENT THEN, IF WE ARE PROPOSING THIS AND IT IS SO MOVED, YOU WOULD NEED TO SHOW BACK UP FOR THAT HEARING TO GIVE US AN UPDATE AND CONFIRM THAT THE POOL HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.
I RECOMMEND GETTING THINGS IN WRITING WITH YOUR CONTRACTOR OR OTHERWISE.
THEN WE LOOK AT AN UPDATE AS WELL FOR THE INSURANCE SITUATION AND POTENTIAL TIME FRAME THAT IS REASONABLE FOR ADDRESSING THE SOFFITS AND OTHER COMPLIANCE ISSUES BECAUSE THAT WILL TAKE LONGER.
>> DOES THAT MEAN WE ARE ABLE TO DO THIS?
>> THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT YOU SAID AND WHAT HE SAID
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, THERE'S NO FINE ON IT.WE'RE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE FOR 30 DAYS.
>> IF THE POOL IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE IN 30 DAYS, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD LOOK AT FINES AND DECISION OF WHAT FINE TO RAISE.
>> I THINK WE'RE HERE NOW, AND IT'S NOT DONE NOW [OVERLAPPING] AND I THINK IT'S THE REALITY, AND THE BOARD'S STANCE IS THAT WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE AT THE SOONEST POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY.
THERE ARE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES FOR MANY PEOPLE WHO COME HERE.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS ONE THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT, GIVEN THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
>> I'D LIKE TO ADD TO YOUR SUGGESTION IN THAT IF WE COULD SEE SOME EVIDENCE OF PROGRESS, WHETHER IT BE SIGNED CONTRACTS, MATERIALS LISTS, THINGS THAT DEMONSTRATE A FORWARD PROGRESS ON THIS CASE.
I THINK THE POINT MADE, OCTOBER IS A LONG TIME FOR AN OPEN HOLE.
>> YES. I DON'T THINK THAT'S UNREASONABLE, AND THAT GOES TO THE SUGGESTION TO HAVE THINGS IN WRITING THAT SHOW YOU HAVE MADE YOUR BEST EFFORT, AND WHERE THERE MAY BE CASES WHERE IT IS VERY LEGITIMATE, EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND YOUR CONTROL.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CONSIDER.
I CANNOT SAY WHAT DETERMINATION WOULD BE MADE BY THE BOARD IF WE COME TO A POINT WHERE THERE IS NO PROGRESS, BUT AGAIN, OUR GOAL IS COMPLIANCE AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
THEN IS THAT A MOTION THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT WE WOULD DEFER THIS FOR 30 DAYS TO REHEAR WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT AT MINIMUM, THE POOL NEEDS TO BE FENCED BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS ON MAY 5TH, IS IT?
>> WELL, SO THE MOTION ITSELF IS JUST GOING TO BE A SIMPLE MOTION TO CONTINUE IT TO THE NEXT, TO THE MAY MEETING.
ALTHOUGH MS. PERKINS WOULD BE AWARE OF WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE BOARD ARE AT THAT DATE.
THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE AS PART OF THE MOTION.
>> IT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DID LAST TIME, EXCEPT IT'S 30 DAYS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> HAVE WE HAD A MOTION? [OVERLAPPING]
>> I HAVEN'T HEARD A MOTION YET, I THINK THERE'S A DISCUSSION.
>> I'D BE WILLING TO PUT THAT MOTION FORWARD, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS OPEN TO THE BOARD BECAUSE IT'S A BOARD DETERMINATION HERE.
>> IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR?
>> VICE CHAIR, I THINK YOU FEEL DIFFERENTLY?
>> BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SIX MONTHS OF AN OPEN POOL, THE CLOCK IS TICKING, AND I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE EXTENDING THIS WITHOUT A FINE.
>> MAY I ASK A QUESTION? GIVEN THAT WE CAN'T SEGMENT THE COMPLIANCE ISSUE, EVEN IF SHE WERE TO ADDRESS THE POOL IN FIVE OR 10 DAYS, ONCE WE IMPLEMENT THAT FINE, THAT FINE IS RUNNING UNTIL FULL COMPLIANCE, IS THAT THE CASE?
>> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE'S NO WAY THE OTHER STUFF IS GOING TO BE DONE IN 30 DAYS.
>> I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE BOARD'S MOST IMMINENT CONCERN IS THAT THE POOL BE ADDRESSED.
WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE VARIOUS THINGS AT PLAY HERE.
AGAIN, THAT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE, SO MY EXPECTATION IS WHATEVER HAPPENS, THIS IS ADDRESSED BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING AT MINIMUM.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER POTENTIAL MOTIONS IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WE CANNOT BREAK THIS? CAN THE CITY SEPARATE THESE THINGS IN FUTURE CASES, OR NO? BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME CLIENTS?
>> IT'S THE SAME CASE AND THE SAME CLIENT.
>> WELL, IF THERE WERE TWO SEPARATE CASES, I WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT THOUGHTS, BUT SINCE THEY'RE NOT, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO GO WITH WHAT SHE'S SAYING BECAUSE IF WE TIE
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THE FINE TO EVERYTHING, I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR.ACTUALLY, I'D BE WILLING TO FIND OUT STARTING NOW, JUST LIKE HE SAID, BUT THAT'S ALSO TIED TO THE REST OF THE WORK [OVERLAPPING] EVEN IF IT GETS DONE.
>> BUT WE CAN ADDRESS THAT IN THE FUTURE, THOUGH.
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF ONE OF THESE KIDS FALLS INTO THAT POOL AND SNAPS HIS NECK? THE POOL HAS BEEN NAKED NOW FOR SIX MONTHS. THAT'S NOT GOOD.
>> ONCE WE LEVY FINES, THOUGH, IT IS THEN OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL, AND ANY APPEAL GOES TO THE CITY COMMISSIONERS, IS THAT CORRECT? REGARDLESS OF HOW THE [INAUDIBLE]?
>> NO. ONE OF THE THINGS I MENTIONED ABOUT HAVING THE FINE GO AHEAD AND A NEW COMPLIANCE DATE, AND THE FINE RUNNING FROM APRIL 8TH, IS THAT YOU'RE NOT TECHNICALLY IMPOSING THAT FINE UNTIL THE CASE IS FINALIZED.
YOU WOULD SAY THAT'S THE BEGINNING DATE FOR ANY FINE THAT WOULD BE IMPOSED.
IF YOU WENT AHEAD AND MADE THAT MOTION TODAY, YOU HAVEN'T CLOSED OUT THE CASE, YOU HAVEN'T ISSUED A FINAL ORDER YET, BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL CONTINUING IT TO GIVE THOSE ADDITIONAL COMPLIANCE STATES, BUT THE CLOCK IS TICKING.
THE METER IS RUNNING AT THAT POINT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE CAN IMPOSE A FINE BEGINNING TODAY.
>> TOMORROW, AND THEN HAVE A FOLLOW-UP MEETING A MONTH FROM NOW, MAY 5TH, AND WE COULD DISMISS THOSE FINES IF THIS IS CORRECTED [OVERLAPPING] OR WE INCREASE IT.
>> NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD INCREASE IT.
YOU'VE ALREADY FOUND THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION.
THEN YOU WOULD BE SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO ASSESS THIS FINE, WE'RE GOING TO START ON THIS DATE, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS TO COME BACK TO ENTER THAT FINAL ORDER, BASICALLY, IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
IT DOESN'T BECOME FINAL, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY [OVERLAPPING]
>> [OVERLAPPING] LAID THOSE STEPS OUT.
>> YOU'VE STARTED THE PROCESS, AND THE PROCESS CAN BE REVIEWED UPON COMPLETION AS WE'RE READY TO CLOSE IT OUT, DEPENDING UPON. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT YOU CAN'T CLOSE IT OUT UNTIL EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.
>> WE CAN HOLD ON FILING OF THE LIEN, WHICH MEANS THEY CAN COME BACK BEFORE OUR BOARD.
YOU COULD IMPOSE A FINE TODAY, AND SHE COULD ALWAYS COME BACK FOR A REDUCTION BEFORE THE CODE BOARD.
>> IT'S PROBABLY A SILLY QUESTION, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M FAMOUS FOR.
WE CAN PUT LIENS ON PROPERTY, SO A HOUSE CAN'T BE SOLD UNTIL THE LIEN IS SATISFIED.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO KEEP A HOUSE FROM BEING RENTED IF THERE'S A LIEN ON IT? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
>> NO, SO THAT PROPERTY CAN STILL GENERATE REVENUE, YET HAVE THE LIEN ON IT.
>> THERE WOULD BE MAYBE SOME CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IF YOU'VE GOT AN OPEN CODE VIOLATION THAT WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM GETTING A PERMIT OR DOING OTHER WORK OR THINGS LIKE THAT SO IF IT WAS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THIS ONE'S NOT, BUT IF IT WERE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN PERHAPS IT COULD PREVENT THE ISSUING OF THAT PERMIT.
BUT NO, YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO STOP IT FROM BEING RENTED.
>> NOT THAT I'M ASKING FOR A LEGAL OPINION, BUT I AM.
>> NO. BUT IF YOU HAD A HYPOTHETICAL CLIENT WHO WAS HAVING ISSUES WITH THIS HYPOTHETICAL INSURANCE COMPANY, WOULD IT CHANGE THEIR STANDING AT ALL WITHIN A POTENTIAL SUIT IF THE CITY BECAME INVOLVED AT THIS POINT?
>> I'M NOT AN INSURANCE LITIGATION ATTORNEY, SO HYPOTHETICALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT NECESSARILY PUTS ANY MORE LEVERAGE ON THEM TO SETTLE THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE THE LENDER THAT THEY'VE GOT A SECURITY INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY AND WANT TO SEE IT MAINTAINED AND HAS THE ABILITY TO COME IN IN ADVANCE IT AND FIX THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
QUITE FRANKLY, AND AGAIN, NOT BEING THE INSURANCE ATTORNEY, MY CONCERN WOULD BE THE UNSECURED POOL FROM A COVERAGE STANDPOINT, THAT IF SOMEBODY FALLS IN THERE AND BREAKS THEIR NECK, IS THAT A NEW CLAIM AGAINST THAT INSURANCE COMPANY? I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD HAVE A MOTIVATION TO GET THE PROPERTY SECURED, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST OFF THE CUFF.
I'M NOT THE INSURANCE ATTORNEY.
>> I THINK TO ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS IS TO TAKE WHAT YOU HAD SAID, START THE FINE TOMORROW.
YOU COULD ALWAYS ADDRESS WHATEVER THE TOTAL IS AT THAT TIME WHEN THE CASE IS RESOLVED.
EITHER WE WAIVE IT, REDUCE IT, KEEP IT.
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>> WOULD THE BOARD CONSIDER ONE WEEK BEFORE THE FINE STARTS?
>> WE CAN FINE UP TO WHAT, $200 A MONTH?
>> SINCE WE CAN DO ANYTHING WITH THE FINE AFTERWARDS, WHAT DOES THAT DO?
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO FINE THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION [OVERLAPPING] BEGINNING THE $50 A DAY FINE STARTING TOMORROW, AND FOR THE OCCUPANT TO COME BACK WITH A STATUS AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
>> THE EXPECTATIONS, NOT JUST THE STATUS, RIGHT? THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THE POOL WOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. THAT'S THE EXPECTATION.
>> AND AN UPDATE ABOUT THE RECORD OF THE COMPLIANCE.
IF WE WERE TO FIND IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION TODAY, WE CAN ASSESS THE DATE OF ISSUING THE FINES IF THE POOL IS IN COMPLIANCE, RECOGNIZING THAT WE HAVE TO HANDLE THIS AS A UNIFORM ISSUE.
>> LOOK, WE WANT TO SEE PROGRESS.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO DAMAGE PEOPLE'S REPUTATION OR HURT THEM FINANCIALLY.
WE'RE HERE FOR THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY, CORRECT?
>> WELL, I TEND TO AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID.
GIVEN THE TIME FRAME OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH.
>> THIS IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
I FEEL THAT IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO HAVE COMPASSION, BUT YET, WE'VE GOT TO PUT SOME TEETH INTO THIS NOW.
WE DO. I FEEL THAT THE FINE SHOULD START TOMORROW AND THAT IT COULD BE REVISITED AT A LATER DATE.
>> YOU CAN CALL A ROLL ANY TIME YOU LIKE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> WILL YOU REPEAT WHAT WAS SAID?
>> LET'S MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THE MOTION.
>> YOU DIDN'T MENTION ADMINISTRATIVE FEES IN THE MOTION.
>> I THINK THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL.
>> IS THAT APPLICABLE NOW, OR WAS IT ADDRESSED WHEN IT WAS FOUND IN VIOLATION?
>> IT WAS JUST FOUND IN VIOLATION.
EVERYTHING ELSE WAS HELD OFF UNTIL TODAY.
>> I'LL AMEND THE MOTION TO BEGIN FINING TOMORROW AT $50.
A STATUS REPORT IN 30 DAYS OR MAY 5TH.
THE ADMINISTRATION FEES WOULD BE INCLUDED WHEN THE CASE IS RESOLVED.
>> I HAD IT ON HERE THAT THAT WAS VICE CHAIR FOTIADES'S MOTION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> TO INCLUDE THE ADMINISTRATION FEE.
>> ARE YOU AGREEABLE TO THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT?
>> JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE AUTHORIZING THE FINE STARTING TOMORROW AND ISSUING A NEW COMPLIANCE DATE OF MAY THE 5TH TO COME IN BEFORE THE HEARING, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE IT UNTIL THAT DATE.
>> ASSESS ADMINISTRATIVE FEES, VIOLATION FINE OF $550 BEGINNING ON MAY 8TH, 2025.
>> NO, BEGINNING OF APRIL 8TH.
>> SORRY, I WROTE THAT BUT SAID IT WRONG, APRIL 8TH, 2025, AND TO PROVIDE A STATURE REPORT ON MAY 5TH, 2025, AND RETURN TO THAT BOARD HEARING.
THAT'S ALL. VICE CHAIR FOTIADES?
WE ANTICIPATE AN UPDATE NEXT WEEK.
WE HAVE STARTED FINES TO APPLY TOMORROW WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT AGAIN,
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OUR PRIORITY IS THAT THE POOL BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THE NEXT DAY ON MAY 5TH, IN WHICH CASE, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REASSESS THOSE FINES.WE DO UNDERSTAND WE CANNOT SEPARATE THIS CASE FOR FULL COMPLIANCE.
OUR PRIORITY IS THE POOL AND GETTING THE HOUSE INTO FULL COMPLIANCE AT THE SOON AS POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY.
>> THOSE FINES WILL STAY IN EFFECT UNTIL IT IS IN COMPLETE COMPLIANCE, AND THEN SHE'D HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE A REDUCTION.
>> WELL, THE CASE HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED YET, SO IT'S STILL BEFORE THE BOARD, AND THEY COULD REDUCE THAT FINE WITHOUT A SEPARATE APPLICATION.
BECAUSE THE CASE IS STILL OPEN.
ONCE IT'S FINALIZED, AND THAT FINE BECOMES SET, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A FINE REDUCTION MATTER.
>> THIS IS STILL FOR THE BOARD'S DETERMINATION AS THE CASE IS TO SUPERVISE IT.
WE WISH YOU LUCK, AND PLEASE, DOCUMENT THINGS, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THIS RESOLVED WITH YOU AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
>> DOES THE BOARD OR THE CITY HAVE ANY OTHER MATTERS FOR DISCUSSION?
>> 11 SOUTH SEVENTH STREET, MR. PAUL LORE.
WE CLOSED HIS CASE OUT, AND SHE'S GOT TO SEND HIM A BILL FOR OUTSTANDING.
>> ZERO FINES TO ASSESS THE ADMINISTRATIVE CASE.
>> THAT WAS MY VERY FIRST CASE.
>> WELL, IT WAS A NICE MOTION THAT NICOLE MADE ABOUT LET'S JUST GET THE CODE VIOLATIONS THAT PERTAIN TO THIS CASE FINISHED OR COMPLETED.
NOT WORRIED ABOUT COMPLETING THE ENTIRE HOUSE BECAUSE THAT WASN'T THE VIOLATION, AND I THINK YOU DID THAT.
>> EXCELLENT. IT'S FUN TO LOOK AT MY BACKYARD.
>> ANY OTHER BUSINESS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN?
>> ADJOURNED.
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