Apr 02, 2025 Community Redevelopment Agency

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

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CORRECTIONS, CHANGES, OR IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT? APPROVE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT. I DO HAVE A GO AHEAD.

A LITTLE BIT OF A CORRECTION. IN THE MINUTES.

IT MENTIONS THAT I WAS KIND OF ADVOCATING FOR EXPANDING THE SIZE OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE SO THAT PAB, MEMBERS AND PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS COULD BE ON THAT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT MY INTENTION WAS. IT WAS NOT TO MAKE THE COMMITTEE BIGGER, BUT IT'S ONLY TO CREATE A VEHICLE WHERE THOSE COMMITTEES CAN WEIGH IN AND GIVE THEIR OPINION ABOUT THE BRETT'S PROJECT.

SO, THAT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE CAN THEN TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE WITH ANYTHING? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CHANGE THAT ERIC, MR. BARTLETT MENTIONED? MAKE A MOTION A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? I DON'T SEE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'LL SEE HIM AND MR.

[8.1 Proposed sunsetting of CRA AB and formation of new Waterfront Board]

HE'S SUPPOSED TO STAY LIKE US THE WHOLE TIME.

NO PROBLEM. NO PROBLEM. MOVE IT. OKAY, SO CLARIFICATION.

APPARENTLY, I'M PRESENTING THAT PART, BUT WE'RE GOING TO STILL MOVE IT UP SO THAT JEREMIAH IS HERE AS BACKUP.

SO, WHAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WITH THIS WAS AND I THINK ALL AWARE THIS WAS PART OF OUR PACKET.

BUT THE COMMISSION PROPOSED SUNSETTING THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD AND THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD AND THEN COMBINING THE TWO INTO A WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD. WHICH WOULD BE IT'S ACTUALLY SIMILAR IN MAKEUP.

WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS. THAT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED WOULD BE SEVEN MEMBER BOARD WITH AN ALTERNATE. A NON-VOTING ALTERNATE MEMBER. AND THE THE BOARD WOULD BE MADE UP OF TWO OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EITHER SLIP HOLDERS OR RENTERS AT THE MARINA.

AND THEN THEY WOULD IT WOULD BE TWO LEGAL PROFESSIONALS OR REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS, THAT SAME CATEGORY THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WHERE WE HAVE THREE REPRESENTING, BUT THIS WOULD BE TWO AND THEN TWO RESIDENTS OR BUSINESS OR PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEN SIX AND THEN ONE RESIDENT OF THE CRA AND ONE BUSINESS OR PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN THE CRA.

SO THOSE WOULD, THERE WOULD BE EIGHT DIFFERENT DESIGNATIONS.

SEVEN OF THEM WOULD BE VOTING, ONE WOULD BE NON-VOTING.

SO THAT'S WATERFRONT AND CRA. CORRECT. IT'S MARINA AND CRA FORMING A WATERFRONT BOARD THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FOCUSED ON THE CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT OF THE WATERFRONT.

BUT IT'S NOT JUST WATERFRONT, THOUGH, IS, I GUESS, MISLEADING IN MY OPINION.

OKAY, THAT'S MY COMMENT. SO WHAT HAPPENS? WITH ISSUES THAT PERTAIN TO THE CRA BUT DON'T PERTAIN TO THE NECESSARILY TO THE WATERFRONT?

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RIGHT. SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THIS NEW BOARD COULD BRING IT UP TO THE CRA EXECUTIVE BOARD, BUT THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE HANDLING THAT.

SO WOULD THAT WIPE OUT PRETTY MUCH ALL THE OBJECTIVES WE SPENT THREE MONTHS ON? OH, NO. NO, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE A CRA. AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE A CRA.

CRA RIGHT NOW DOES NOT EXPIRE UNTIL 2053. SO.

COMMENTS. NO, I'M GOOD WITH IT. THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT.

IF THE CITY WANTS TO PICK IT BACK UP. CITY COMMISSION.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THEY'LL BE PICKING UP THE CRA.

WE WON'T BE DOING IT ANYMORE BECAUSE IT'LL BE A WATERFRONT.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. I MEAN, I ASSUME IT'S GOING TO BE FROM FRONT STREET TO THE WEST.

IT'S. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A DEFINITION OF WHAT THE NEW WATERFRONT BOARD WOULD SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, MANAGE OR DEAL WITH. LET ME LET ME SUPPLEMENT A LITTLE BIT HERE, JEREMIAH.

DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. SO, IT WILL BE A COMBINATION OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT IS WITHIN THE CRA AND THE MARINE ADVISORY BOARD.

SO 100% THE CR, THE MISSION, THE WORK PLAN OF THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD WILL INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING WITHIN THE CRA ALREADY.

SO, THOSE ALL THAT WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE WILL NOT BE LOST.

THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD IS A NAME FOR WHAT IT IS BECAUSE ALL THE CRA IS WATERFRONT ADJACENT, AS THE MARINA IS AT THE WATERFRONT AS WELL. SO, I MEAN, THE FOCUS OF THE CRA IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA.

SO I MEAN, THAT'S THE NAME OF THE BOARD, BUT THE MISSION, THE OBJECTIVE ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, THE GOALS THAT HAVE BEEN SET, THAT WOULD STILL CONTINUE.

SO, WHAT WILL BE THE REASON THIS IS BEING TOLD TO YOU NOW IS BY THE TIME THE COMMISSION MAKES THIS DECISION, IF THEY CHOOSE TO MAKE THIS DECISION, THEY HAD CONSENSUS AT THE MARCH 18TH MEETING TO DO IT BY THE TIME THEY WERE TO MAKE THIS DECISION AT THE 4:15 MEETING, WHICH IS WHAT'S PROPOSED, TO GO BACK TO THEM.

THE NEXT MEETING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE WOULDN'T OCCUR AS A CRA ADVISORY BOARD.

SO THIS WOULD LIKELY BE YOUR LAST MEETING IN THIS CAPACITY.

BUT IF THEY ARE APPROVED AND WE ASSUME THEY'RE GOING TO APPROVE WHAT'S BEING BROUGHT, PROPOSED TO THEM, WHICH IS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY DISCUSSED, THE COMBINATION OF THOSE TWO BOARDS, THEN THE EFFORTS OF THE CRA WOULD BE THERE, ALONG WITH WOULD ABSORB WHAT THE MARINA EFFORTS THAT THEY HAVE AS WELL INTO ONE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD.

SO HOW MANY MEMBERS DO THEY CURRENTLY HAVE? MARINA.

THEY ALSO, I BELIEVE, HAVE SEVEN, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT HAVE ALL OF THEIR SPOTS FILLED.

I THINK THEY HAVE FIVE MEMBERS CURRENTLY, SO THERE WOULD BE A BIT OF A SHUFFLE TO BECAUSE WE HAVE FIVE.

WE HAVE SIX NOW. IT WOULD BE EIGHT TOTAL. RIGHT.

SEVEN VOTING AND ONE NON-VOTING. OKAY. SO OUR SIX AND THEIR SEVEN.

HAS TO BECOME EIGHT. ARE THERE TWO. ARE THERE TWO SLIP HOLDERS IN THAT CURRENT BOARD FOR THE MARINA? YES. ONLY TWO. ONLY TWO. MAKES IT EASY. WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO BE CARRYOVERS. THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD IS PROPOSED TO HAVE TWO SLIP HOLDERS AS WELL IN THAT BOARD.

YEAH, I MEAN, THE CURRENT SLIP HOLDERS NOW THAT'S ON THE BOARD, ARE THEY GOING TO BE TWO BE THE CARRY OVERS ON THE NEW BOARD? THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO APPOINT ALL NEW BOARD MEMBERS FOR THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD. SO, SOME MAY APPLY, SOME MAY NOT.

BUT WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHO'S GOING TO APPLY AND WHO THE COMMISSION WILL SELECT.

THAT'S AT THEIR PLEASURE. AS IS THE, YOU KNOW, CONSOLIDATION OF SOME OF THESE BOARDS IN THE INTEREST OF BOARD IMPROVEMENTS.

SO WE ALL STAND A CHANCE OF LOSING OUR JOB HERE.

IT WAS REALLY FUN LAST NIGHT. YOU'VE DONE GREAT.

YEAH, I JUST I DON'T KNOW, UNLESS THEY'RE ALREADY DEAD SET ON THAT.

I JUST THINK IT'S DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO CALL IT A WATERFRONT BOARD IF IT'S NOT 90% OF.

IT'S NOT WATERFRONT. SO JUST MY OPINION. SOMETHING LIKE MARINA AND CRA BOARD, BUT IT DON'T MATTER. DO YOU HAVE SOME INFORMATION OR SPECULATION AS TO WHY WE'RE DOING THIS. I, COMMISSIONER BOARD EFFICIENCIES AND EFFICIENCIES IN A NUMBER OF AREAS WERE BROUGHT UP AT THE VISIONING SESSION.

THE COMMISSION BROUGHT UP IN THAT MARCH 18TH MEETING TO PURSUE SOME BOARD CONSOLIDATION IMPROVEMENTS.

THAT WAS CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. WE HAVE 13 BOARDS IN THE CITY.

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SO THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAP IN AREAS. SO THEY IMMEDIATELY IDENTIFIED A FEW BOARDS THAT COULD CONSOLIDATE.

ANOTHER BOARD THAT'S BEING CONSOLIDATED IS THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD.

THAT WAS LARGELY SET UP TO PROVIDE SOME OVERSIGHT OF THE OF THE GOLF COURSE.

WHEN WE HAD A MANAGEMENT COMPANY, YOU HAVE PRAC WHICH OVERSEES THE PARKS AND RECREATION GOLF RESORTS NOW THE PARKS AND RECREATION.

SO IT MADE SENSE TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF COMBINATION THERE.

THE ENTIRE MARINA IS IN THE CRA FOOTPRINT. SO LIKEWISE, THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS AN AREA TO CONSOLIDATE.

AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT APPEALS BOARD, AS WELL AS GOING TO A MAGISTRATE AND SUNSETTING THAT BOARD.

SO THAT WAS THE INTEREST IS MAKING SOME BOARD IMPROVEMENTS IS, ONCE AGAIN, AN EFFICIENCY THAT THEY IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE VISIONING SESSION.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE STEPS IN THAT DIRECTION.

SO, THE PROCESS HERE IS THAT BOTH THE MARINE ADVISORY BOARD AND THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD WOULD BE SUNSETTED.

THEY WOULD BE ELIMINATED AND THEN A NEW BOARD WOULD BE FORMED.

ANYBODY COULD APPLY TO BE ON THAT. CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND SO IT WOULD BE UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY COMMISSION AS TO WHO GETS ON THAT BOARD.

CORRECT. AND THE CRITERIA FOR THOSE BOARDS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TOGETHER. SO, THERE'S A GUIDE FOR THEM TO PICK FROM. SO I MEAN, THE SEVEN MEMBER BOARD WITH THE ONE NON-VOTING MEMBER, AS WAS MENTIONED, AND THEN A NUMBER OF CRITERIA FROM SLIP HOLDERS OR RENTERS LEGAL PROFESSIONAL OR FINANCIAL PROFESSIONALS. ANYONE WITH EXPERIENCE IN MARKETING, ADVERTISING, BRANDING, GENERAL CONTRACTOR OR PROJECT MANAGER, REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL OR ARCHITECT, ENGINEER, LANDSCAPE PROFESSIONAL, FORMER CITY COMMISSIONER AND OR MUST BE CITY RESIDENTS OR LIVE WITHIN ONE MILE RADIUS.

SO THE SAME CRITERIA THAT YOU HAD WITH THE CRA, ALONG WITH THOSE AT THE ADVISORY BOARD TO HAVE THAT CRITERIA.

SO YOU HAVE REPRESENTATION THAT REFLECTS THE INTEREST OF THE CRA AND THE DOWNTOWN WATERFRONT.

WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL? AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED TO MOVE THIS FROM FURTHER ON IN THE MEETING, IS MAYBE YOU CAN TAKE SOME TIME IN THIS MEETING TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.

SO, YOU KNOW, FORMALLY, WE'RE LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS, THIS IS HOW THE BOARDS ARE GOING TO BE CHANGING.

IT'S NOT BEEN FULLY DONE. THERE WAS CONSENSUS.

ONCE AGAIN, THERE WAS CONSENSUS AT THE 318 COMMISSION MEETING TO DO THIS.

THE FORMAL VOTE DOESN'T HAPPEN UNTIL APRIL 15TH, BUT BY THEN THIS MEETING WOULD HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED.

SO JUST GIVE ME A HEADS UP FORMALLY AS POSSIBLE.

THIS IS LIKELY GOING TO HAPPEN AND ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON STEPS FORWARD.

WE WILL BE SURE TO PASS ON TO THE COMMISSION AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME BEFORE THEY MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON THIS.

DOES THIS DOES THE FORMATION OF THIS NEW WATERFRONT BOARD HAVE WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP OF THAT TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE REGARDING BREXIT THAT WOULD GO AWAY? I MEAN THEY WOULD THAT WOULD LIKELY GO AWAY.

UNLESS THERE'S A, WE GET GETTING NEW INFORMATION.

THAT KIND OF DROVE THE CONVERSATION OF, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THE BOARDS TOGETHER, THE WORK AND THIS EXAMPLE, YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO BRING MEMBERS OF THE MARINE ADVISORY BOARD, MEMBERS OF THE OF THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD TOGETHER.

A NEW WATERFRONT BOARD COULD TACKLE THAT CHALLENGE. YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS AN AD HOC COMMITTEE FOR LOOKING AT BREADTHS AND ANYTHING RELATED TO THE WATERFRONT. SO, I MEAN, THAT WAS THAT NO DOUBT DROVE THE CONVERSATION TO GET TO THIS POINT.

OF COURSE, THERE'S OTHER BOARDS THAT THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD WOULD NEED TO NETWORK WITH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S TAKING INFORMATION TO CRA OR ANY KIND OF RECREATION SPACE HERE AT THE WATERFRONT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD NEED TO GO TO PRACTICE WOULD STILL BE SOME KIND OF OVERLAP, BUT LESS IF YOU BRING THESE TWO BOARDS TOGETHER.

WE STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT VOTE A NEW BOARD IN.

JUST LEAVE IT AS IS. COME TO 15TH OR IS IT GOING TO BE DONE? THAT'S THE, THEY MAY CHANGE THEIR POSITION. THERE WAS CONSENSUS AT THE LAST MEETING TO MAKE THESE BOARD SUNSET THESE BOARDS AND COMBINE AND CONSOLIDATE AND MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS. SO THEY COULD CHANGE THEIR POSITION.

BUT AS OF NOW, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DIRECTION THAT THEY GAVE US FOR A FORMAL VOTE AT THE 415 MEETING.

GOT ANY IDEA HOW QUICK THE BOARD'S GOING TO BE ACTIVE ONCE THEY MAKE THIS DECISION ON THE 15TH.

MISS BETH, CAN YOU TALK TO WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEPS? BECAUSE THEY NEED TO LET THE MEMBERSHIP AND. YES.

CAROLINE BETH, CITY CLERK. SO IMMEDIATELY ASSUMING THAT THE CITY COMMISSION DOES APPROVE THIS, THE SUNSET OF THE MARINE ADVISORY BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ADVISORY BOARD TO FORM THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD THE FOLLOWING DAY WILL THE CLERK'S OFFICE WILL SEND AN EMAIL TO THE MEMBERSHIP OF THIS BODY AS WELL AS THE MARINE ADVISORY BOARD TELLING THEM THAT,

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IT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO WATERFRONT. I WOULD CONSIDER MERGING IT.

I THINK MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A CRA, WHAT THE CRA IS AND WHAT IT MEANS.

THEY CAN TAKE A SHORT QUIZ BEFORE THEY APPLY.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL SINCE WE'VE ALL SPENT SO MUCH TIME LEARNING ABOUT IT AND KNOWING.

BUT. WE'LL SEE. WELL, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE THE CRA, COMBINE IT INTO WATERFRONT BOARDS TO NOT SOUND LIKE A WATERFRONT BOARD. COMPLETELY CRA, YOU KNOW, PICK UP SOME A LITTLE BIT OF DESCRIPTION.

WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN TO YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

IF THE CONSENSUS IS THAT THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD IS NOT AN ADEQUATE NAME OR IT'S INSUFFICIENT IN SOME WAY, LET US, YOU KNOW, TELL US. TELL US WHAT? WHAT WOULD BE BETTER? WE CROSS COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT ADVISORY. WATERFRONT BOARD.

THE CROW BOARD. I THINK IT JUST DON'T. I DON'T WANT TO.

I DON'T WANT TO JUST ATTRACT PEOPLE WHO ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN HELPING WITH THE SEAWALL OR ONLY HELPING WITH THE MARINA, BECAUSE THAT'S, IN ESSENCE, WHAT THE WATERFRONT IS.

SO, THEY NEED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE MORE SPECIALIZED ON LIKE LOCAL BUSINESSES BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY THE WHOLE POINT OF THE CRA.

SO THE MEMBERSHIP, THE CRITERIA FOR THE MEMBERSHIP FOR THE SEATS IS LARGELY THE SAME AS IT WAS FOR THE CRA, ASIDE FROM ADDING TO MARINA SLIP HOLDERS TO MAKE UP THE MEMBERSHIP AS WELL.

I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THE PART ABOUT HAVING SOMEBODY WITH CONSTRUCTION BACKGROUND ON THE BOARD THAT COMES INTO CONVERSATION A LOT.

WELL, I WOULD ENCOURAGE EACH OF YOU TO REAPPLY BECAUSE THE CRITERIA FOR THE SEATS IS VERY SPECIFIC.

SO A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO REAPPLY. IT'LL STILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO APPLY REGARDLESS OF WHICH BOARD THEY'RE ON. LIKE THE WATERFRONT BOARD, THIS BOARD HERE IS STILL OPEN TO ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO APPLY.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. YOU MENTIONED THAT TWO OF THE SEATS THE TWO OF THE CATEGORIES ARE TWO SLIP HOLDERS.

YES, SIR. IS THERE SOME REASON WHY THERE NEEDS TO BE TWO SLIP HOLDERS? THE MARINE ADVISORY BOARD SEE CRITERIA HAD FOR SLIP HOLDER.

FOR SLIP HOLDER REQUIREMENTS. SO IN AN EFFORT, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE THE ENABLING LEGISLATION FOR THE PROPOSED WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD IS A BLEND OF THE CRA, ENABLING YOUR BOARD'S ENABLING LEGISLATION, AS WELL AS THE MARINE ADVISORY BOARDS TO CAPTURE TO CAPTURE THE ADVICE THAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO RECEIVE FROM THE GROUP.

OKAY, BUT I WAS KIND OF UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS SUNSETTING MARINE ADVISORY BOARD AND SUNSETTING CRA AND FORMING A COMPLETELY NEW COMMITTEE. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT TO MERGE THE TWO.

IN AN EFFORT TO INCREASE EFFICIENCIES, THE MARINE ADVISORY BOARD AND THE CRA OPERATE GENERALLY, GENERALLY WITHIN THE SAME AREA. AND THE THINGS THAT THE CRAB WORKS ON AFFECT THE MARINA AND VICE VERSA.

SO IN AN EFFORT TO TO BRING EVERYONE TOGETHER AT THE SAME TABLE, EVERYBODY IS WORKING ON THE SAME THING AND PULLING IN THE SAME DIRECTION.

THAT'S THE INTENT. I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT WITH THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD, THERE ARE THESE DISTINCT CATEGORIES.

AND THERE'S ONE OR MAYBE TWO. MAYBE THERE'S TWO.

LIKE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CRA ARE THERE. I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THE CATEGORIES ARE, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME TO HAVE TWO MARINA SLIP HOLDERS.

IT'S JUST NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE TWO. I MEAN, WHAT ARE THE OTHER CATEGORIES THEY HAD FOR, AND ARE THERE OTHER CATEGORIES IN THE MERIDIAN ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD? YES. WHILE SHE'S PULLING THAT UP WE'RE TALKING AND I'M GOING TO PUT THIS ON THE SPOT HERE,

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THERE IS A BILL IN THE BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE THAT HAS PROPOSED THAT CRAS WOULD BE ELIMINATED.

SO AND IT'S MOVING FORWARD RATHER QUICKLY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, FROM ALL APPEARANCES IT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY GO THROUGH.

BUT ANYWAY, WHAT IT WOULD DO IS CAUSE ANY CRA TO SUNSET NO LATER THAN 2020 2045 HOURS IS DUE TO SUNSET IN 2053. SO IT MOVES IT FORWARD EIGHT YEARS.

BUT THE OTHER THING THAT IT DOES IS AS OF OCTOBER 1ST OF 2025 THIS YEAR IT WOULD NOT ALLOW ANY NEW PROJECTS TO BE INITIATED, NOR WOULD IT ALLOW FOR ANY NEW FUNDING TO BE INITIATED.

SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE TWO ISSUES THAT WOULD HOLD US BACK BECAUSE YOU WOULD STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE FUND FUNDS THAT COME IN, BUT YOU COULD NOT GO OUT AND BORROW AGAINST THEM, AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST FOR THE ALACHUA STREET PROJECT, UNLESS WE DID THAT PRIOR TO OCTOBER 1ST OF THIS YEAR.

SO AND THE SAME WITH THE PROJECTS. WHAT IT'S SAYING IS A NEW PROJECT IS ANY PROJECT FOR WHICH THE CRA.

HAS NOT APPROPRIATED FUNDS IN ITS BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2025.

SO IF A PROJECT IS NOT IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A NEW PROJECT THAT WOULD BE INITIATED AFTER THIS YEAR. AND SO IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, FIT WITHIN THE CRA, THE FUNDING AND ALL OF THAT.

SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE FOLLOWING THIS, BUT IT IS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT, I THINK, ON THE CRA IF IT DOES GO THROUGH.

SO WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT AS WELL. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW CITY STAFF IS CONTINUING TO TALK TO PEOPLE AND TO LOOK INTO IT TO SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS MIGHT BE. AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING EITHER OF THOSE POSSIBILITIES.

SO BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY HAVE A SLATE OF PROJECTS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE CRA THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SEAWALL BRETTS THE WATERFRONT PARK, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ALACHUA STREET, NORTH SECOND STREET, THERE'S QUITE A FEW PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING.

BUT THE FUNDING HAS NOT NECESSARILY BEEN, YOU KNOW, EARMARKED FOR IT.

SO THAT'S. ALMOST. EXCUSE ME. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE FOOTPRINT OF THE CRA? WHAT IS IT? WHERE'S THE WATER FOR WHAT? HOW FAR NORTH? HOW FAR EAST AND HOW FAR? I'LL HAVE TO PULL UP A MAP ON THE CRA QUIZ.

I'LL PULL IT UP FOR YOU. OH, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 80 PARCELS WITHIN THE CRA.

IT'S 83, NOT A MARINA. WELL, THEY WANT. OH, IT'S NOT UP THERE.

WELL, THEY DO AWAY WITH THE CRA THEN. THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE NOTHER CERTAIN NEW BOARD.

IS THAT WHY IT'S ONLY NAMED WATERFRONT IS BECAUSE OF THIS? NO, NO, NOT AT ALL. IT JUST IT WAS JUST I MEAN, IT TECHNICALLY IT COULD BE NAMED THE CRA, SAY THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD. AND JUST CHANGE THE MAKEUP TO INCLUDE THE MARINA.

I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION. AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D WANT TO RECOMMEND SO THAT IT TIES MORE CLOSELY TO THE EXECUTIVE BOARD, THE CRA EXECUTIVE BOARD, WHICH IS OUR CITY COMMISSION.

WELL, NOT IF THE CRA IS GOING TO BE ELIMINATED.

AM I COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT OF WHAT IT WILL BE ELIMINATED, BUT IT WILL NOT BE ELIMINATED UNTIL 2045.

SO WE'VE STILL GOT 20 YEARS, BUT NO FUNDING. RIGHT.

THE FUNDS WILL COME IN YEAR BY YEAR, BUT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE, LIKE THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO BE COMMITTED TO A PROJECT UNLESS IT'S ALREADY GOING. UNLESS IT HAPPENS THIS YEAR. I INCLUDED THE LIKE A SUMMARY SHEET ON THIS IN THE PACKET.

SO THAT YOU CAN READ THROUGH IT. IT'S KIND OF IT IS A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED, BUT I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COULD LIKE THAT COULD HAPPEN IS IF THE CITY HAS RESERVED FUNDS FOR FUTURE USE IN THE CRA, THEN IT WOULD BE

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OTHERWISE WE WOULD ONLY HAVE THE MONEY THAT WAS COMING IN EACH YEAR.

SO IN ORDER TO OUT LIKE TO HAVE AN OUTLAY OF $3 MILLION, SAY, TO DO THAT PROJECT OR WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE, WE WOULD NOT WE WOULD ONLY HAVE THE MONEY THAT'S COMING IN EVERY YEAR.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANY RESERVES FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT.

AND I THINK WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN NEXT IS WE NEED TO GO OUT TO, YOU KNOW, GET SOME LEGAL ADVICE ON WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS ARE GOING TO BE.

BUT YOU KNOW, THE OR THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION ENDS, I THINK MAY 2ND OR THIRD OR SOMETHING.

AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WE'LL KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO GO THROUGH.

SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD OR THE NEW BOARD WILL BE DEALING WITH RIGHT AWAY.

THAT'S OKAY. MISS CAROLINE, YOU WERE GOING TO TELL US ABOUT THE MARINA.

SO THE EXISTING MARINA ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERSHIP IS.

IT'S SEVEN MEMBERS, ONE NON-VOTING MEMBER. FOUR OF THE VOTING MEMBERS MUST BE PERMANENT SLIP HOLDERS.

SLASH RENTERS IN THE FERNANDINA HARBOR MARINA.

SO THAT'S THEIR EXISTING CRITERIA FOR FOUR OF THEIR SEATS.

SO THE OTHER THREE SEATS ARE JUST OPEN SEATS OR SOMETHING.

THEY DON'T HAVE CRITERIA ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.

GOTCHA. OKAY. WELL, IT STILL WOULDN'T STOP US FROM THE MONEY'S COMING IN TO BE SPENT ON THE PROJECT, BUT IT'D JUST STOP US FROM BORROWING MONEY.

CORRECT. TO AVOID HAVING THESE FUNDS TO BACK IT UP.

RIGHT. SO, IT'S NOT. I MEAN, IT'S WHAT IT IS.

WHAT IT IS. RIGHT. RIGHT. BUT IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY.

NOW, IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY FUNDS LEFT IN THERE NOW? YOU KNOW? YEAH.

WELL, WE CAN MAKE IT THE WEST FERNANDINA ADVISORY BOARD.

THAT'S A NEW ONE. AND GET THE MARINA OUT OF IT ALL TOGETHER IN THE CRA.

I MEAN, IT'S. YOU GOT IT OUTLINED THERE. SURELY THE WEST SIDE OF FERNANDINA.

SO. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD, BECAUSE THAT COVERS A LOT OF AREA.

IT DOES. YEAH. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S INCLUDED BEYOND THE WATERFRONT.

SO AND SOME OF IT DOESN'T NEED ATTENTION, SOME DOES.

SO YOU MIGHT BE EXPANDING TOO FAR OUT OF THE FIELD.

WELL, WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS. I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, IT'S CLEARLY ALL WATERFRONT ADJACENT, YOU KNOW. SO I MEAN, WATERFRONT ADJACENT ADVISORY BOARD.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS YOU COULD GO WITH THIS, BUT THE INTENT WAS TO, YOU KNOW NAME A BOARD THAT WOULD CAPTURE BOTH THE MARINA'S INTERESTS. OF COURSE, THE CRA'S INTEREST. YOU KNOW, THE DOWNTOWN, YOU HAVE MAIN STREET, WHICH PROVIDES THE ADVOCACY FOR THAT.

SO, I MEAN, EVERYTHING IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE IS THE FERNANDINA BEACH MAIN STREET.

BUT I MEAN, YEAH, THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE'RE WANTING TO CAPTURE AND KEEP MOVING FORWARD AND NOT MAINTAIN THAT INERTIA AS WHAT'S BEEN SAID.

WE GOT MONEY WE NEED TO SPEND. WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE.

WE'RE GOING TO DO STUFF ON BRETT'S HERE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. SO, WE'RE TRYING TO HELP MOVE THIS ALONG AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AS WELL, BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS, AND WE NEED TO HAVE A NEW BOARD TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH.

SO, I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S AN ACRONYM.

JEREMIAH, DO YOU KNOW, IN THE ORIGINAL INTENT TO, TO DO THIS WHAT WAS THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT? THE WATERFRONT, THE NEW WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD? WHAT IS THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT? IS IT THE CRA OR EVERYTHING WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS OR WHAT?

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THE MARINA HAS THE SMALLER FOOTPRINT, RIGHT? THE MARINE ADVISORY BOARD WAS JUST THAT.

SO, I MEAN, THE BOUNDARY OF THE CRA MAKES THE MOST SENSE BECAUSE THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE IN THE CRA.

AND THEN THE MARINE IS IN THAT AS WELL. I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THE ENTIRE MARINA IS CAPTURED IN THE CRA THERE. SO, I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE TO KEEP THE CRA BOUNDARIES.

AS FAR AS WHAT THIS BOARD IS FOCUSED ON, BUT IT'S NOT, DOESN'T NEED TO BE A HARD LINE. I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT IMPACTS THIS AREA MAY NOT BE WITHIN THAT LINE, BUT HAS AN IMPACT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS BOARD WANTS TO DISCUSS.

YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THAT, THAT DISCUSSION.

AT ONE POINT. WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT CIRCULATION OF TRAFFIC HERE SOON. WELL, IF VEHICLES ARE COMING DOWN ASHLAND, ALACHUA AND WE WANT TO LOOK AT HOW THAT FLOW GETS, I MEAN, ALL THE ALL THESE ROADS THAT COME OFF OF EIGHTH STREET COME DOWN TO OUR DOWNTOWN AND TO OUR WATERFRONTS. I MEAN, IT MAY NOT IMMEDIATELY BE IN THAT AREA, BUT AS THE IMPACT OF THAT AREA, THEN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PERTINENT FOR THIS BOARD TO WEIGH IN ON AND TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON.

OKAY. OKAY. SO IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION FOR EITHER A NAME, A DIFFERENT NAME? AND ALSO IS THERE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATION AS FAR AS THE BOARD MAKEUP THAT YOU WOULD WANT CONVEYED TO THE COMMISSION BEFORE THEY. SO THE ONLY THING NOT IN THE CRA IS THAT LITTLE PATCH OF MARINA.

IS THAT RIGHT? NO, EVERYTHING'S IN THE CRA. YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

OH, THAT. THAT'S A DOCK. SO, I DON'T SEE WHY THEY DIDN'T JUST GET RID OF THE MARINA BOARD AND MAKE TWO SEATS FOR THE CRA BOARD LIKE REQUIREMENTS AND MAKE EVERYBODY REAPPLY.

IN EFFECT, THAT IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED? RIGHT. SO, EVERYONE REAPPLY.

IT'S STILL THE CRA BOARD. SO, YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THE NAME REMAINED THE SAME AND MAKE THE REQUIREMENTS CHANGE TO ADD 1 TO 2 SLIP. I MEAN, I GUESS YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO IN CASE ONE SLIP HOLDER PERSON ISN'T THERE.

SO, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO JUST REALLY SIMPLIFY IT BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE CRA.

STILL, AS LONG AS THE CRA ISN'T GOING AWAY PER WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.

THEN IT'LL ATTRACT MEMBERS WHO UNDERSTAND THE ENTIRE CRA AND NOT JUST OUR PASSION ABOUT JUST THE MARINA.

AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE JOINING, I GUESS, IS MY CONCERN.

I'M NOT GOING TO LOSE SLEEP OVER IT BUT JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE.

IT FEELS LIKE A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS CRA.

THE LITTLE. ALL OF IT. PERCENTAGE OF WATER. SO A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD DISCUSSIONS WILL BE ABOUT CRA.

I WOULD ASSUME. OR ARE WE EXPANDING AND NOT JUST CRA? WE'RE LIKE YOU SAID, ASH STREET AND ALL THAT IS JUST GOING TO BE A DOWNTOWN BOARD.

I GUESS THAT'S THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HTC. THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY DOWNTOWN.

DOWNTOWN ABBEY BOARD. SO THAT'S THE QUESTION BEING RAISED IS WHAT IS THIS BOARD ABOUT? IS IT JUST THE WATERFRONT? IS IT THE WATERFRONT AND CRA THE MARINA? IS IT BEYOND THAT? I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED.

IT'S AN INTENT TO COMBINE THE MARINA AND THE CRAB INTO ONE BOARD.

SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS YOU WOULD MAINTAIN THE CRAB NAME BUT ADD THE TWO SLIP HOLDER SEATS TO CHANGE THE MAKEUP SO THAT IT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MARINA, BUT NOT CHANGE THE NAME BECAUSE THE CRA IS A BROADER NAME THAN THE MARINA.

YES. OKAY. SO IF THAT'S IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS AMONG THE BOARD FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION, THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE JEREMIAH AND CAROLINE TAKE THAT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, FOR THE VOTE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE. THERE MAY BE A CONSENSUS, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE I AGREE WITH THAT.

YOU'RE PERFECTLY FINE AND NOT AGREE. TO ME, IT'S JUST A NAME.

IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. I MEAN, TO ME, IT'S JUST SIMPLER TO CALL IT THE MARINA OR THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD OR THE WATERFRONT BOARD OR WHATEVER. IT ISN'T GOING TO MATTER IF IT'S STILL GOING TO BE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CRA, AND MANY OF THE MEMBERS WILL BE,

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SO MY HUNCH IS THAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT, WHEN COMMISSIONER MINSHEW PROPOSED THIS, SHE CALLED IT THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD.

AND I THINK THIS IS JUST SORT OF A PUBLIC PERCEPTION THING.

THAT SUNSET. BOTH BOARDS CREATE A NEW BOARD, CALL IT THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD, AND THEN THAT SORT OF THERE'S NO TURF WAR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, THE MARINE ADVISORY BOARD VERSUS THE CRA, WHO'S MORE IMPORTANT AND WHO'S NOT.

AND I MEAN, IT JUST AVOIDS ALL THAT STUFF. I MEAN, I MEAN, SO I DON'T CARE ABOUT ALL OF THAT AS WELL.

BUT IF PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP AND THEY CARE ABOUT ALL OF THIS, THE CRA, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SO MANY PEOPLE CARE TO BE AT THIS BOARD.

I DON'T KNOW. I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE MISLEADING TO THE POPULATION, TOO.

YEAH. DON'T CARE. SO LONG AS IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS IS STILL GOING TO BE THE CRA BOUNDARY BECAUSE IT'S NECESSARY TO DO THAT. SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CLARIFICATION THAT IT'S THE CRA BOUNDARY AND NOT JUST SAY, EVERYTHING WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. SO, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CLARIFICATION ABOUT THAT.

BUT ONCE THIS GETS DONE AND GETS IMPLEMENTED AND CREATED, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO KNOW WHAT THIS BOARD DOES.

SO TO ME IT'S JUST A NAME THING. AND THE SIMPLER THE NAME THE BETTER THAT'S JUST MY $0.02 WORTH.

SO. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU AGREE? I DON'T KNOW. WE MAKE A MOTION SO WE CAN KEEP GOING. I'M NOT GOING TO LOSE SLEEP OVER IT EITHER.

SO, WHATEVER YOU WANT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION. I THINK IT'S JUST YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU'VE HEARD TO TAKE THAT BACK.

I'M JUST KIND OF GOING WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER MINSHEW PROPOSED.

AND WHY CREATE MORE UNLESS THERE IS SOME GREATER CLARIFICATION THAT HAPPENS BY CALLING IT THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD OR THE CRA WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD OR WHATEVER.

BY INCLUDING THE CRA IN IT, WE CAN AVOID A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING, AND WE'LL CALL IT WATERFRONT IS MISLEADING BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST WATERFRONT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. OKAY. AND THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CLARIFICATION BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I ENVISIONED THIS THING IS.

SO WHEN YOU SEE THE CORRESPONDING RESOLUTIONS AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE ON GETTING THAT, BECAUSE PRODUCING THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SUNSET THE BOARDS, GO BACK TO WHEN THEY WERE INITIATED AND ALL THE RESOLUTIONS THAT IDENTIFIED WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THEIR MISSION MADE UPDATES, AND YOU HAVE TO SUNSET THOSE TO CREATE A NEW.

SO, I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A VERY CAREFUL EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEW RESOLUTION AND YOU'LL SEE THAT CAPTURES EVERYTHING THAT THE CRA DOES BE VERY CLEARLY IDENTIFIED IN THAT RESOLUTION FOR WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD OR WHATEVER IT IS CALLED.

BUT ALL THE CRA, THE EVER SINCE IT WAS IMPLEMENTED, INSTITUTED, AND THE UPDATES FROM THE INCEPTION TO NOW, ANYTHING THAT'S PERTINENT, GOALS, OBJECTIVES, ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED WILL CARRY FORWARD TO THAT. SO THAT ENTIRE CRA WORKING PLAN WILL BE A PART OF THIS NEW BOARD JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.

RIGHT. AND TO BUILD ON THAT, THE CRA PLAN THAT WE HAVE THAT WILL CONTINUE.

THE ANNUAL REPORT AND THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.

ALL OF THAT WILL CONTINUE BECAUSE THOSE ARE REQUIREMENTS, BY VIRTUE OF BEING A CRA, THAT THAT WE MUST FULFILL AS A CITY.

SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS WILL CONTINUE TO BE DONE AND COME BEFORE THE BOARD AS THEY HAVE IN THE PAST.

SO AND JUST ONE OTHER THING, I GUESS I WOULD DEFER TO THE CITY COMMISSION ABOUT IT.

LET THEM PICK THE NAME, BECAUSE WE, ALL OF US OR NONE OF US MAY APPLY FOR THIS NEW BOARD.

AND SO WHY ARE WE PICKING THE NAME? I MEAN, WE MIGHT NOT GET SELECTED FOR IT.

SO I SAY LET THE CITY COMMISSION DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO CALL IT.

I'M OKAY WITH IT JUST BEING WATERFRONT BOARD, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY STARTED AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. SUNSET THE OTHERS AND GO FORWARD.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THERE HE IS. NOW EVERYTHING CHANGED.

AND THAT INCLUDES DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME. NOW, DO YOU FORGET TO CHANGE YOUR CLOCK LAST MONTH?

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THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. SO, MR. ROWLAND, JUST TO CATCH YOU UP, WE DID JUST.

THE ONLY THING WE'VE DISCUSSED SO FAR IS THE BOARD BUSINESS.

THE SUNSETTING OF THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD, THE MARINA BOARD, AND THEN THE PROPOSED NEW BOARD.

SO WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE NEW BOARD WOULD BE CALLED, WHAT IT'S BEING PROPOSED, AS IS THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD, BUT IT WOULD ENCOMPASS ALL OF THE CRA.

AND THEN IT WOULD THE MAKEUP OF THE BOARD WOULD CHANGE SLIGHTLY IN THAT WE WOULD HAVE TWO SLIP HOLDERS REPRESENTED ON THE BOARD AND THE REMAINING POSITIONS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. SO THE THE CONSENSUS SORT OF HAS.

BEEN THAT THEY'RE NOT SURE WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD IS REALLY REFLECTIVE OF WHAT THIS.

BOARD WOULD BE WORKING ON BECAUSE IT EXTENDS THE THE AREA EXTENDS INLAND A BIT.

AND SO THERE WAS CONCERN THAT THAT MIGHT BE CONFUSING, BUT OTHERWISE I THINK THE MAKEUP EVERYBODY WAS FINE WITH THE MAKEUP.

SO UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO. ADD DAVID CAN BE THE CHAIRMAN.

TO REAPPLY FOR MY JOB TONIGHT. YEAH. SO IF EVERYBODY IS.

GOOD WITH THAT. AND IF YOU DO HAVE THOUGHTS, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY LET US KNOW.

[6.1 Review and recommendation for streetscape plan of N 2nd Street, between Alachua and Broome.]

SO JAKE HAS SOME NEW PLANS TO SHOW US, AND A COUPLE SKETCHES HERE BASED ON THE SKETCH WE HAD IN LAST MONTH'S MEETING.

LOOKING AT CONTINUING THE WIDER SIDEWALKS ON NORTH SECOND STREET NORTH OF ALACHUA.

SO THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE HERE, BOTH OF THEM ARE VERY SIMILAR.

BUT THEY ESSENTIALLY CONTINUE AND MIRROR THE BLOCK THAT YOU HAVE TO THE SOUTH BETWEEN CENTER AND ALACHUA.

WITH ANGLED PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STREET IN 8.5FT SIDEWALK.

AND THIS ONE SHOWS PARALLEL PARKING HERE, LIKE WE DISCUSSED AT THE STANDARD MARINE BUILDING.

AND WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU CONTINUE THAT 8.5FT SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH TO BROOME WITH THE PARALLEL SPACES.

THIS OTHER DESIGN IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME, EXCEPT FOR THAT AREA NORTH OF STANDARD MARINE, WHERE WE WOULD STOP THE SIDEWALK AND ESSENTIALLY JUST TURN WHAT IS CURRENTLY PERPENDICULAR PARKING INTO ANGLED PARKING WITH ONE WAY TRAFFIC TO BROOM STREET.

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY IT. 8.5FT SIDEWALKS, PARALLEL SPACES.

AND UNTIL THE STANDARD MARINE BLOCK KIND OF DEVELOPS OR WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE.

WE FELT LIKE. OR I FELT LIKE WE COULD ELIMINATE THAT SIDEWALK FOR THAT PORTION, MAINTAIN AS MANY SPACES AS POSSIBLE IN THAT LOCATION.

BUT THIS WOULD CONTINUE THAT 8.5FT WIDE SIDEWALK STREETSCAPE TO BROOME STREET.

THIS WOULD ALL BE GRAVEL. NO, WE WOULD HAVE. WE WOULD PAVE IT.

THE PLAN IS TO RESURFACE THE STREET. BUT THEN WHEN WE WENT IN AND PUT CURBS AND GUTTER IN, WE WOULD WE WOULD ASPHALT THE PARKING. I JUST DREW OVER THE SURVEY THAT SHOWS THE EXISTING WHAT'S EXISTING THERE. BUT THE INTENT WOULD BE TO PAVE ALL OF IT AND REALLY CLEAN THAT STREETSCAPE UP.

ALONG WITH THIS WORK. THERE'S SOME STORMWATER WORK THAT HAS TO OCCUR BEFOREHAND THAT TIES INTO ALACHUA.

BUT WE COULD MOVE FORWARD FLESHING OUT THIS DESIGN.

BARTOW BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT. THIS PARKING LOT HAS TWO DRIVEWAY ACCESSES.

I'M NOT REALLY. I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE DESIGN PLANS, BUT YOU REALLY DON'T NEED TWO DRIVEWAYS FOR THIS LITTLE PARKING LOT.

IF YOU ELIMINATED THIS DRIVEWAY HERE, YOU COULD ADJUST THIS GRADING BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME SLIGHT TOPOGRAPHY ISSUES HERE.

AND CONTINUE PARALLEL SPACES FARTHER TO THE NORTH, PICKING UP MORE SPACES ON THE STREET AND PROBABLY 4 OR 5 PARKING SPACES IN THE PARKING LOT. I THINK IF I CAN JUST ADD, I BELIEVE THAT ENTRANCE.

DOES THAT ACCOMMODATE THE HANDICAPPED SPOT? THE HANDICAP SPOT IS IN THIS LOCATION.

OH, IT'S OVER THERE. YOU'RE RIGHT. YES. OKAY.

SO ONCE THERE'S CONSTRUCTION, THEN WE'D HAVE TO CRUMBLE ALL THAT BACK UP TO DO A NICE STREETSCAPE AGAIN.

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THE REST OF THE PARKING SPOTS? WELL, IF YOU IF WE WANTED TO EXTEND THE REST OF THE SIDEWALK, ALL YOU DO IS COME IN HERE AND CUT THE ASPHALT FOR YOUR SIDEWALK AND CURB, AND THEN REPAINT THE EXISTING ASPHALT TO MAKE IT RESTRIPE TO PARALLEL SPACES. YOU'D REALLY ONLY HAVE TO DEMO TEN FEET OF ASPHALT FROM THIS POINT NORTH, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT SIDEWALK LIKE IT IS NOW. RIGHT. UNLESS YOU HAVE PARALLEL SPOTS.

YEAH. THE WIDER SIDEWALK. GOING TO THE ONE WAY WITH THE 15 FOOT DRIVE AISLE ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE THAT WIDER SIDEWALK AND CURB STREETSCAPE THAT YOU HAVE MATCHING THE BLOCK BETWEEN ALACHUA AND CENTER.

CAN I ASK IF ANYONE ON THIS BOARD WENT OVER THERE AND LOOKED AT WHAT'S THERE NOW? YEAH. WE DID. CAN I ASK? I DON'T KNOW WHO ALL IS LIKE.

SEEN IT? I'VE SEEN IT. I'VE SEEN IT EITHER. I HAVEN'T COUNTED ANYTHING OFF, BUT I'VE RIDDEN DOWN THAT ROAD MANY TIMES.

THE PARALLEL IN FRONT OF STANDARD IS GREAT, WOULDN'T YOU SAY? YEAH, WELL, WHEN I SAW WHAT WAS IN THE PACKET ABOUT HIT THE FLOOR.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M HAPPY TO SEE AT LEAST OTHER OPTIONS THAT THAT WASN'T LIKE THE ONLY PROPOSAL.

BUT I DID TAKE PHOTOS AND SEND THEM TO JAKE OF THE ROAD.

IF ANYONE NEEDS A VISUAL TO HELP. I MEAN.

TRY TO SHOW. SO I STARTED, LIKE, HERE AND TOOK PHOTOS OF, LIKE, THE ENTIRE WAY DOWN OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

AND THEN THE NEXT EMAIL IS THE STANDARD MARINE.

AND THAT'S HOW CLOSE PEOPLE ARE PARKING. SO IF WITH HOW THE PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SECOND STREET, THE NORTHWEST SIDE, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE ON PEOPLE'S BUSINESSES.

AND I JUST AFTER DEALING WITH ALACHUA STREET AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO WAIT ON THE CITY TO CHANGE A SIDEWALK AND CHANGE PARKING AGAIN OR ANY OF THAT. LIKE, I FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME HOW IT'S GOING TO STAY.

THE CHALLENGE IS YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE ALONG THERE.

YOU DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE DRIVEWAY CUTS NEEDED OR THERE'S NO WAY TO PLAN FOR THAT AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW WHAT THE ULTIMATE USE OF THAT SPACE IS GOING TO BE.

SO THE THOUGHT BEING, IF WE DID SOMETHING THAT WAS THE LEAST INVASIVE BUT MAXIMIZED PARKING FOR NOW, IT WOULD BE EASY TO MAKE, EASIER TO MAKE THAT CHANGE WHEN THERE WAS A PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE.

SO IF SOMEONE HAS IT UNDER CONTRACT. AND I MEAN, HOW QUICKLY IS THIS GOING TO HAPPEN? WE WANT TO PROCEED WITH THIS PRETTY MUCH IMMEDIATELY.

TAKE IT TO TRC. UPDATE EXCUSE ME, THE HTC, BECAUSE IT IS A PUBLIC PROJECT AND THAT WE HAVE FUNDING FOR PAVING AND SIDEWALKS IN THE CURRENT BUDGET. OKAY, SO LIKE THIS SUMMER WOULD BE THE PLAN.

SO EVEN IF IT WAS RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL, I MEAN A NICE SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY DOWN AND YOU'VE GOT THE OTHER HOTEL GOING IN, IT'S GOING TO CONNECT THE TRAFFIC.

THOSE PEOPLE COMING FROM THE HOTEL ARE GOING TO WALK IN THE ROAD.

FOR CROSS AND WALK THE OTHER SIDE. TRUE. JACOB, ISN'T THIS JUST REALLY KIND OF A TIMING ISSUE? I MEAN, THE OTHER DRAWING WITH THE ANGLED PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE, THAT DRAWING IS JUST UNTIL IT'S KNOWN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE GOODS OF PROPERTY, RIGHT? IF THAT TURNS INTO RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL OR WHATEVER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THAT.

SO THIS IS JUST SORT OF THAT'S SORT OF LIKE PHASE ONE.

AND THEN YOUR NEXT DRAWING IS, IS PHASE TWO OR THE FINAL PHASE.

THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT. AND THAT CAN YOU GO TO THE SECOND ONE?

[00:50:07]

IT CONTINUES THE ONE WAY OF SECOND STREET BETWEEN CENTER AND ALACHUA.

SO THE CHARACTER OF IT IS THE SAME. IT HAS ANGLED PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE, PARALLEL PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE.

TRAFFIC IS ONLY GOING TO THE NORTH. THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT SECOND STREET FOR THAT BLOCK TO BE ONE WAY BECAUSE IT'S TWO WAY NOW.

BUT WHEN THE ATLANTA STREET CROSSING IS OPEN, WHAT HAPPENS NOW IF YOU COME WESTBOUND ON ALACHUA STREET? IF YOU DON'T TURN LEFT ONTO THIRD STREET AT CAFE KARIBO, YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO TURN RIGHT ONTO SECOND STREET AND GO NORTH. YOU HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU THERE'S NO OTHER WAY.

BUT WHEN ALACHUA STREET CROSSING IS OPEN, YOU WON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

SO THE TRAFFIC THAT GOES NORTHBOUND ON SECOND FROM ALACHUA WILL BE LESS OF THAT TRAFFIC.

IT WILL STILL BE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PARK ALONG THERE.

BUT THE THE INCIDENTAL TRAFFIC THAT ORDINARILY HAD TO TURN THERE WON'T BE DOING THAT ANYMORE.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO CREATE A PROBLEM FOR THEN THIRD STREET, BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE TO TURN ONTO SECOND STREET AND GO NORTH TO BROOME, TURN RIGHT ON BROOME AND GO TO THIRD STREET AND THEN TURN RIGHT AGAIN ON THIRD AND GO BACK TO ALACHUA STREET.

IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO STAY IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

OKAY. SO THE OPENING OF ALACHUA AFFECTS THIS AND IN A POSITIVE WAY, I THINK IT MAKES IT MORE DOABLE TO MAKE IT A ONE WAY STREET ON SECOND.

AND THAT THAT TO ME IS THE IDEAL SOLUTION BECAUSE YOU GET A REALLY NICE SIDEWALK ALONG WHATEVER THOSE PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO BE, WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, YOU CAN PUT STREET TREES IN IT BECAUSE IT'S WIDE ENOUGH, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF, AND IT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE SECOND STREET BETWEEN CENTER AND ALACHUA.

THE ONLY THING I WOULD THEN CHANGE IS TO GET RID OF THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE INTO THE PARKING LOT.

ON ON SECOND STREET AND TURNED THAT INTO. JUST EXTEND THE ANGLED PARKING ON UP TO THE CORNER AND THAT.

SO YOU'RE ADDING MORE PARKING SPACES IN THE PARKING LOT.

YOU'RE ADDING MORE SPACES WHERE THE, THE THE APRONS OR THE DRIVEWAY IS AND THE GREEN SPACE THERE IS.

SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY CREATING QUITE A BIT MORE PARKING SPACES.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CITY'S GOALS, I THINK, IS TO SORT OF MAXIMIZE THE PARKING.

SO YOU'RE KIND OF MAXIMIZING THE PARKING, BUT YOU'RE ALSO GETTING A REALLY, REALLY GREAT STREETSCAPE.

ON THE WEST SIDE, IF THAT WAS NOT PARALLEL AND IT WAS DIAGONAL, DOES THAT AFFECT THE ZONING OF WHAT'S UNDEVELOPED? AND DOES ANY OF THE PARALLEL OR DIAGONAL HAVE TO BE HANDICAPPED? THAT WAS A GOOD POINT LISA BROUGHT UP THIS MORNING.

I DID NOT INCLUDE THAT, BUT YES, WE SHOULD INCLUDE AT LEAST ONE HANDICAP.

PROBABLY TWO IS WHAT WE PROBABLY DO. I THINK THEY'LL SHARE.

IS THERE ONE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER ON ALACHUA? IS THERE A HANDICAP SPOT? NO, NO, I HAVE ONE ON SITE.

YES YOU'RE RIGHT. JACOB, IF WE DID PHASE ONE THIS SUMMER AND SAY NEXT SUMMER THE DEVELOPMENT COMES ALONG. WHERE DO YOU THINK THE EXPECTED TIMELINE TO CHANGE IT TO? PHASE TWO? SAME AMOUNT A MONTH OR TWO. IT WOULDN'T TAKE ANYTHING.

HARDLY. WE HAVE A CONCRETE CONTRACTOR THAT WOULD COME IN AND CUT THE ASPHALT AT TEN FEET AND INSTALL HIS 18 INCH CURB AND 8.5FT FOOT SIDEWALK, AND HE CAN KNOCK THAT OUT IN A WEEK.

SO GOING FROM PHASE TO PHASE TWO IS IS NO PROBLEM AT ALL.

REALLY. SO REALLY THAT SHOULDN'T INHIBIT YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE ALREADY THERE WITH TRUCKS AND CONCRETE AND STUFF.

IT ALREADY HAS LOOKED BAD SO LONG. WHETHER WHOEVER IT IS I THINK WILL BE MORE MOTIVATED TO INVEST IN THIS AREA WHEN IT DOESN'T LOOK SO BLIGHTED. WE'VE GOT AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE'VE GOT THE OTHER HOTEL GOING IN ON THE UPPER RIGHT.

YEAH. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BENEFIT THEM. AND THEY WOULD APPRECIATE US CLEANING UP WHAT WE OWN INSTEAD OF JUST LEAVING IT WITH

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WHAT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING IS TAKEN. HOW MANY YEARS TO JUST FINISH ALACHUA STREET? AND LIKE I WAS SPECIAL BECAUSE OF THE RAILROAD.

YES. I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, I THINK.

CORRECT. NOT ONLY THE RAILROAD, BUT THE WHOLE STORMWATER PROJECT.

I MEAN, THEY WERE BIG. I GET YOUR CONCERN. I REALLY WAIT ON THE CITY FOR ONE MORE THING.

IF THEY'RE ALREADY THERE WITH DOZERS AND JUST DO THE WHOLE PROJECT AND FINISH IT AND IT'LL LOOK BEAUTIFUL.

AND THEN THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT WILL COME, IN MY OPINION.

AND WITH THAT MEMBER BARTLETT'S SUGGESTION FOR EXTENDING THIS HERE, I THINK YOU'VE GOT 12 SPACES HERE.

YOU'RE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER. EIGHT APPROXIMATELY HERE, PLUS 4 OR 5 HERE WHEN YOU ADD THOSE INTO THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. YOUR NET DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO IS GOING TO BE PRETTY CLOSE.

SO AS FAR AS MAXIMIZING PARKING, YOU'RE REALLY YOU COULD COME VERY CLOSE TO THE SAME NUMBERS WHEN YOU ADD THIS IN AND ADD THESE SPACES HERE. COULD YOU DO THE PHASE TWO IN THE PARKING LOT AT THE SAME TIME? I WOULD EXPECT WE DO THAT BECAUSE THERE'S SOME STORMWATER ISSUES HERE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK OUT WITH THE GRADING AND YEAH, NO, NO DEVELOPMENT WANTS TO TAKE CREDIT FOR TAKING AWAY PEOPLE'S PARKING SPOTS THOUGH, EITHER.

LIKE, I'M WITH YOU. I'M TRYING TO. I'M. NOBODY WANTS THAT SWORD.

I THINK ERIC CAME UP WITH A GREAT IDEA IN THE PARKING LOT.

IDEA? THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. SO I DON'T I DON'T HAVE ANY BROTHERS OR NOT ABOUT DOING PHASE TWO.

RIGHT. I AGREE WITH JENNY. IF WE CAN MAKE ALL THAT HAPPEN AT ONCE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO IT.

YEAH. IS THERE ANY REASON NOT TO TO DO PHASE TWO? YEAH. WITH THE PARKING LOT LIKE AREA ERIC TALKED ABOUT.

YEAH. I THINK JENNY MAKES A GOOD POINT THAT HAVING THAT WIDE SIDEWALK AND THE STREET TREES IN THERE AND ALL THAT DOES THEN KIND OF HELP TO ENCOURAGE THE THE POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY.

I AGREE. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE CRA SHOULD BE DOING WITH ITS RIGHTS OF WAY TO PROMOTE THAT REDEVELOPMENT ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY.

CAN WE STILL MAKE THAT GO? WELL, AT LEAST WE STILL GOT A BOARD. MAKE A VOTE ON IT.

SPEND A LITTLE MONEY BEFORE THEY DROP THE HAMMER ON US.

YEAH, WE WANT TO VOTE ON THIS QUICK BECAUSE WE'RE GOING AWAY FROM YOU GUYS.

THAT WAY WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THE RECORD FOR THE HTC.

THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE IF YOU ALL SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD.

WITH THE FULL PROJECT, ADDING IN THE ADDITIONAL PARKING HERE AND WORKING, SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE DRIVEWAY CUT.

I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO DO THE WHOLE BLOCK, BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD MAKE A SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE TO AN AREA THAT HAS NEEDED SOME HELP FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.

THEN I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR, THAT WE SUPPORT PHASE TWO OF THE PROJECT NORTHBOUND AND ALONG WITH THE REDESIGN OF THE PARKING LOT AS MEMBER ERIC BARTELL SUGGESTED.

AND THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CRA.

ARE YOU HAPPY? I MEAN, DO WE NEED TO HAVE EXHIBIT A FOR THIS DRAWING? I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY PUT THAT UP AS PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION.

YES. I'LL SECOND. YES. THAT SECOND. I'M HAPPY.

THANK YOU. SO I THINK EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY.

IT'LL LOOK GOOD TOO. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. MOTION AND SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. THAT'S A MUCH BETTER.

THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I KNOW THAT WAS GENIUS. GOOD JOB.

GOOD JOB. YOU GET ICE CREAM. WE GOT LUCKY ONES.

OOF! OH, NO. IS THAT ALL? OKAY. YES. SO WE.

[9. STAFF REPORT]

IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT AT WHAT IS WAS IN THE PACKET, THAT IT'S A SUMMARY LIKE A COUPLE PAGES, YOU KNOW, BUT HIGHLIGHTS THE, THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THIS BILL.

AND WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED IF WE, YOU KNOW, AS WE FOLLOW IT ALONG IN THE LEGISLATURE.

THEN THE CRA PLAN NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. SO WE'VE DONE THIS GROUP HAS DONE THE STRATEGIES AND OBJECTIVES PIECE OF IT.

AND THAT IS, IS PART OF THAT OVERALL CRA PLAN.

SO SOMEONE ONE OF THE PLANNERS IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO LOOK AT THE REMAINDER OF IT,

[01:00:04]

YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. SO. BUT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, THE FULL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE IN THE PACKET.

AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET THOSE ADDRESSED BY THE COMPTROLLER IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THEM.

AND THEN I THINK, JUST IF, JAKE, DO YOU WANT TO RUN DOWN A LITTLE UPDATE OF SOME OF THE.

SURE. WATERFRONT AND EVERYTHING. MAIN THING, ALACHUA STREET.

THE RAILROAD SIGNALS ARE GOING IN THIS WEEK. THE NEW ELECTRICAL HOUSE IS SET IN PLACE NOW, SO IF YOU GO DOWN THERE, YOU'LL SEE A BIG NEW SHINY HOUSE FOR THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.

PAY SIDEWALK AND CURB WILL GO IN NEXT WEEK, FOLLOWED BY COVER PUTTING IN THE ASPHALT.

SO WE'RE STILL ON TRACK ON A VERY TIGHT TRACK, BUT ON TRACK TO GET THIS THING OPEN BY SHRIMP FESTIVAL, THE WATERFRONT PARK. THEIR PLAN IS TO START THE FOUNDATIONS FOR THE PAVILION AND RESTROOM NEXT WEEK, SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THEY NEED FOR THAT.

SO YOU'LL START SEEING SOME ACTIVITY DOWN THERE.

THAT'S ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW. CAN YOU ASK THEM TO TAKE ALL THE METAL PIECES OF FENCING OFF THE STANDARD MARINE BUILDING? DOES ANYBODY DO THAT YET? THEY'RE ALL LEANING AGAINST THE BUILDING. OKAY.

YEAH, WE ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THAT PROPERTY CLEANED UP AND APPRECIATE YOURS AND MR. GOODSELL'S CONTINUED COOPERATION WITH ALL THE ACTIVITY DOWN THERE, WE REALLY LOOKS BETTER.

WOULD HAVE BEEN IN TROUBLE WITHOUT THAT HELP.

SO. THANK YOU. LEASED IT TO THE CITY FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

DUMPING GROUND. I'M JUST HAPPY TO HAVE IT DONE.

NOT A HAPPY NEIGHBOR. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE NEIGHBORLY.

REGARDLESS OF THE COST. I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. CAN YOU SORT OF UPDATE US AS TO IF ANYTHING IS HAPPENING WITH BRETT'S OR THE CITY STILL WAITING FOR PASSARO TO COME BACK WITH.

AND THE DATE I REMEMBER WAS APRIL 15TH. YEAH, I THINK IT ORIGINALLY WAS 60 DAYS OR SOMETHING.

SO IT'S COMING UP. OKAY. AND REGARDING THE SEAWALL OR THE FLOOD WALL ANYTHING NEW HAPPENING WITH THAT, OR GOT A MEETING TOMORROW TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH SOME NEXT STEPS? WE WERE AT A PAUSE AND WE HAD SOME INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE RAILROAD BECAUSE THERE WAS TALK ABOUT MOVING IT TO THE EAST SIDE OF FRONT STREET, JUST WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THAT FALLS WITHIN THE RAILROAD SCOPE, AND THEY WERE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE OPERATIONAL IMPACTS THAT IT WOULD HAVE ON THEIR ABILITY TO CHANGE CROSSTIES AND A NUMBER OF OPERATIONAL THINGS.

THEY'RE ALREADY HEMMED IN AND WILL BE ALL THE WAY TO BROOME STREET WITH THE FENCE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE TRACKS.

IF THE WALL WERE TO COME UP ON LAND, IT WOULD BE ABOUT 4.5FT TALL THERE AT ALACHUA STREET.

SO IT WAS CONCERN ABOUT HOW CLOSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IT TO THE RAILROAD.

WE'VE GOT A PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING AGREEMENT WITH THE RAILROAD.

IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT DESIGN SO THAT THEY CAN REVIEW IT.

BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH KIMLEY-HORN ON FLESHING OUT PARTICULARLY SEGMENTS ONE AND FIVE.

THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN SEGMENTS TWO, THREE AND FOUR ARE ARE HAVE BEEN THE SAME AND DON'T INTEND TO CHANGE.

AND THEY ARE AWARE OF THE DISCUSSIONS. KIMLEY-HORN IS AWARE OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH PASSARO AND THE NEED TO, IF THERE'S ANY COORDINATION WITH THE WALL DURING DEMOLITION.

SO WE'RE BRINGING ALL THOSE PARTIES TOGETHER.

I SPOKE WITH MR. GONZALES ABOUT THAT, AND HE SAID HE WOULD ABSOLUTELY NEVER SUPPORT THAT AND WOULD NEVER GIVE AN EASEMENT FOR THAT TO BE ON HIS PROPERTY AT ALL. HE SAID NOT ONE INCH. HE'S LIKE, THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.

WHY THE WALL? THE WALL NEEDS TO STAY ON THE WATERFRONT.

PERIOD. AND I AGREE WITH HIM. WHO SAID THAT? MR. GUZZO? OH, MR. GUZZO SAID THAT. SO MR. GUZZO SAYS THAT.

BUT MR. SIMMONS SAYS SOMETHING. MR. SIMMONS WANTS IT IN THE WATER TOO.

OH HE WANTS TO PUT IT FARTHER ON THE WATER. OKAY. AND I TOLD HIM YOU CAN'T PUT IT THAT FAR RIGHT. AND HE NEEDS TO HUG THE SHORELINE.

[01:05:03]

GOODSELL WILL NEVER AGREE TO THAT WALL BEING ON HIS PROPERTY.

AND I THINK THAT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA. PROPERTY? NO, THEY WANT TO PUT IT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY THEY THEY I RECEIVED A SKETCH.

WHOEVER IS, THEY, YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS? I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT FOR THE LAST MONTH.

AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY EIGHT DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF WHERE TO PUT THAT WALL.

YOU ARE THEY ARE THEY THEY IN THEM. TWO OF THOSE EIGHT ARE NOT REALLY PRACTICAL.

SO THERE'S LIKE ABOUT SIX POSSIBILITIES OF PLACES WHERE YOU COULD PUT THAT WALL.

I'M NOT MAKING A VALUE JUDGMENT AS TO WHERE. RIGHT, WHICH IS GOOD OR BAD.

BUT ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO IS TO IDENTIFY WHAT IS ACTUALLY POSSIBLE OR PLAUSIBLE.

I'LL SEND THAT TO YOU. AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE ONES THAT GOES ACROSS ALONG THE WATER ALONG THE SHORELINE AT SIMMONS PROPERTY AND 101 THERE'S A VERSION WHERE IT CROSSES THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND GOES UP AND ENDS AT THE WAREHOUSE. IT'S RIGHT ALONG THE EDGE OF THE RAILROAD TRACK, AND IT ENDS.

SO IT'S A MUCH SHORTER FLOODWALL, SO IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE.

IT IS TECHNICALLY FEASIBLE TO DO IT ACROSS THE TRACKS.

A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH WOULD SHOW YOU THAT THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

BUT ANYWAY, SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT.

THANK YOU. I DON'T LIKE CROSSING THE RAILROAD TRACKS WITH A FLOOD WALL.

BUT WHY? WHY? YEAH, WELL, A I. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO EVEN DIVE INTO THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S. WE DON'T HAVE TO. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BUT I DON'T WANT TO KEEP EVERYBODY HERE. OKAY.

WELL, THE EIGHT OPTIONS EACH ONE IS A SEPARATE.

THERE ARE EIGHT OF THEM AND HAS THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH ONE OF THOSE.

SO WITH CROSSING THE RAILROAD TRACKS. YEAH, THERE ARE PROS AND CONS TO THAT.

BUT IT'S TECHNICALLY, FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, POSSIBLE TO DO, AND NOT THAT TERRIBLY DIFFICULT.

PEOPLE DO THIS APPARENTLY FREQUENTLY. BUT THEN THE FLOODWALL GOES NORTH ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS TO THE WAREHOUSE. AND SO IT WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE AN EASEMENT FROM YOU OR NIU FROM DICK GOODSELL AND TIM POINTER. AND THEY'D HAVE THIS BIG, UGLY WALL.

AND MAYBE THEY WON'T. I MEAN, YEAH. SO THAT OPTION MIGHT NOT WORK THEN, BUT MAYBE IN THERE ON THOSE EIGHT, THERE'S ONE THAT WILL WORK THAT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE.

AND THEY CAN LOOK AND SEE. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS ON THAT.

NO PROBLEM. I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK. THE ONLY THING I GOT TO COMMENT ON THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO STOP FLOODING, YOU'VE GOT TO YOU'VE GOT TO PUT THE WALL IN THE WATER.

YOU CAN'T WAIT FOR THE WATER TO COME TO THE WALL.

IN THAT CASE, YOU WILL FLOOD THE RAILROAD TRACK.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A GOOD IDEA WHEN IT COMES UP.

SO YOU GOT TO GO TO THE WATER. OKAY. BUT BEAR IN MIND THAT THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS GUIDANCE SAYS WE WILL NOT GIVE YOU A PERMIT TO PUT YOUR FLOODWALL IN THE WATER IF YOU CAN BUILD IT ON LAND.

THAT'S THEIR GUIDANCE. SO IF IF THERE'S AN OPTION TO BUILD IT ON LAND, THEY WON'T PERMIT IT IN THE WATER.

HOW DO WE GET THE FLOOD WALL ALL THE WAY DOWN THE REST OF THE WAY? IN THE WATER? WHERE? IN PARKING LOT C AND D OR WHAT? YEAH. LIKE ALL THE WAY. DOES IT REQUIRE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS PERMIT? IF YOU PUT IT IN THE WATER. I MEAN, I THINK WHAT DAVID IS TALKING ABOUT, AND MAYBE MR. GOODSELL, IS THAT IT'S OUT IN THE WATER. IT'S NOT ALONG THE SHORELINE.

IT CAN BE. IT CAN BE DONE. IT CAN BE DONE. OKAY.

I MEAN, I MEAN, I'M JUST I'M GONNA JUST THROW AN EXAMPLE OUT THERE.

I KNOW WE NEED TO PROBABLY KNOCK OFF, BUT UP IN SOUTH CAROLINA, IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE, LOOK UP LEATHERMAN TERMINAL UP THERE.

AND THAT'S A COMPLETELY MAN MADE TERMINAL. THEY WENT IN AND BULKHEADED IT OUT.

[01:10:01]

FERNANDINA IS NO DIFFERENT. WE JUST NEED THE RIGHT PEOPLE. PUT IN THE RIGHT PLACE TO TALK TO THE CORE ENGINEERS.

BUT THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THEY NEVER SAY YES AND THEY NEVER SAY NO.

AND SO YOU REALLY DON'T YOU CAN GIVE THEM A PROPOSAL AND THEY'LL YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THEN THEY'LL SAY NO, OR MAYBE THEY'LL SAY YES, OR YOU JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAN.

SO HOW DO YOU BLOCK THE OPTION TO DO IT ON LAND AND SAY THERE IS NO OPTION TO DO IT ON LAND? IS THAT BASED ON PERSONAL PROPERTY OWNERS? WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THAT THAT THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

THEY WOULD PROBABLY SAY YOU CAN'T THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS PROBLEM THAT THAT'S A POLITICAL OR WHATEVER PROBLEM, THAT'S NOT AN ENGINEERING PROBLEM. THEY WOULD PROBABLY SAY, AS THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, THAT IF YOU ARE FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, IF YOU CAN BUILD IT ON LAND, YOU WON'T GET A PERMIT FROM US TO PUT IT IN THE WATER. WELL, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH LAND.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY LAND. WELL, BUT THERE'S NO LAND FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, WE CAN DO IT.

WE JUST HAVE PROBLEMS OF WHERE PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T AGREE OR WHATEVER.

BUT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT YOU CAN DO THAT.

AND THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS IS GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU THAT I THINK WE SHOULD JUST PLAN IT FOR WHAT IS HIGHEST AND BEST, AND THEN WORK WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER UNTIL WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.

BECAUSE ALL THIS LIKE CROSSING OVER RAILROAD TRACKS AND ON PERSONAL PROPERTY, IT JUST NOW YOU'RE FLOODING ALL THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE TRACKS BECAUSE WE WANT THAT IMPROVED TOO. BUT THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE FLOODED.

THAT LITTLE GREEN BUILDING WILL BE FLOODED WITH THE WALL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRACKS.

I AGREE. I MEAN, I'M NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO DEFEND JUST PUTTING IT ON LAND.

BUT WE DO HAVE THESE ALL THESE ISSUES ABOUT NON AGREEMENT, SO WE CAN'T JUST CALL IT BULKHEAD.

THEY WON'T LET YOU PUT BULKHEAD ALONG. YOU JUST GOT TO GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

YOU GOT TO GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE. SO WHERE DOES YOUR BOSS.

WHERE DOES THE BULKHEAD GO? DOESN'T. CAN'T IT JUST FOLLOW THE CURRENT SHORELINE? SHORELINE? IT COULD. RIGHT. BUT ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS SHOWS THAT WHERE IT GOES ALONG THE SHORELINE, IT FOLLOWS EXACTLY ALONG THE SHORELINE. THE PROBLEM IS NORTH OF 101 NORTH FRONT STREET.

IT GOES RIGHT THROUGH GOODSELL'S BUILDING. IT GOES RIGHT THROUGH MARYLAND LIBMAN'S BUILDING.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT? I MEAN, I MEAN, PHYSICALLY, IT WON'T WORK UNLESS YOU ACQUIRE THOSE PROPERTIES, TEAR THE BUILDINGS DOWN, AND THEN RUN THE FLOODWALL.

AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'RE DOING WITH BRETT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE PUTTING THE FLOODWALL IN THE WATER BY BRETT'S RIGHT ON THE SHORELINE.

BASICALLY GOES RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE EXISTING WALL THAT YOU HAVE IN THE PARKING LOT AND RIGHT BEHIND THE WALL THAT YOU HAVE A PARKING LOT.

A BECAUSE THE TWO DIFFERENT MALL TYPE SYSTEMS THAT ARE THERE.

BUT YES, IT'S GOING IN THE, IN THE MUD IN FRONT OF PARKING LOT A OR B.

EXCUSE ME. SO THEY REQUIRE EVERY PROPERTY ON THE WATERFRONT TO BE DEMOED.

SO YOU CAN PROTECT YOUR TOWN FROM FLOODING. ALMOST.

ALMOST. MAKES SENSE. CAN WE GET THESE DEEMED HISTORIC? AND THEN IT'LL YOU CAN DO, LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS.

WE JUST WAIT FOR THE WATER TO GO BACK DOWN AND GO BACK TO DOING BUSINESS AGAIN.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT UP WITH IT. THERE'S GOT TO BE THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY.

IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS POINT OF VIEW OR EVEN THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION IN FLORIDA, YOU CAN KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD NOT JUST SAY, YEAH, YOU CAN PUT A WALL OUT THERE IN THE WATER, BECAUSE THEN EVERY COMMUNITY IS GOING TO WANT TO DO THAT.

INCREASING THEIR UPLANDS, WHICH IS DEVELOPABLE LAND, NARROWING THE NAVIGABLE WATERS OF FLORIDA.

AND THEY JUST THEY WON'T DO THAT UNLESS THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER WAY TO DO IT.

SO ANYWAY, WELL, THERE THERE NEEDS TO BE. AND I'M IN A SITUATION THERE NEEDS TO BE CLARITY ON THE SUBMERGED LANDS, RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO IT IT CAUSES SOME ITS OWN SUBMERGED LANDS, BUT THEY DICTATE WHAT I CAN DO WITH THE CORE ENGINEERS.

[01:15:01]

WHO'S WHO HAS IT? YEAH. YOU KNOW, THE INITIAL DESIGN FOR SEGMENT FIVE INCLUDED THE THREE PROPERTIES INCLUDED MR. GOODSELL ERA. MR. KAVANAUGH'S HERE, AND THEY BASICALLY TIED INTO THAT BULKHEAD, THAT EXISTING BULKHEAD THAT YOU HAVE THERE AND RAN DIAGONALLY.

AND AT LOW TIDE, YOU CAN YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE WALL WAS GOING TO GO.

IT'S IT'S ON DRY LAND, BUT THE WATER'S GONE AT LOW TIDE WHERE THE WALL IS GOING TO GO.

ESSENTIALLY IT WAS GOING TO TIE INTO THAT CORNER AND FOLLOW.

WHAT IS THE BUTLER ACT LINE. FOR THOSE PROPERTIES LIMITING PIECE OF THE BUTLER ACT LINE IS ACTUALLY ON THE, THE CITY PROPERTY. BUT YEAH, AS MR. COOK POINTS OUT, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN A LOT OF WAYS THAT MOST FOLKS DON'T OWN THE SUBMERGED LANDS, BUT THESE PROPERTY OWNERS DO.

THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT THE STATE HAD TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THIS, I THOUGHT GOODSELL DID AS WELL.

HE DOES. BUT WE WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED AS ANY.

THAT BEAUTIFUL WATERFRONT ANY DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS.

WE'LL SEE. 1975 WAS A CUT OFF DATE. THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS TOOK IT OVER THEN.

BEFORE THAT, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING. WE HAD TO DIG SOME OUT AT OUR PLACE DOWN THERE.

IN 1975. SO WE JUST NEED TO RESEARCH HOW THE BUTLER ACT AND THE SUB MERGED LANDS TIE INTO WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE SAYING ON A RAINY DAY. MUCH LIKE YOUR PROPERTY.

YOU HAVE SOME RIGHTS, DON'T YOU? WHAT IF I OWN THE MINERAL RIGHTS OR I OWN THE DIRT? BUT YOU OWN THE BUILDING. IT'S THE SAME DEAL, BASICALLY.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU GOT TO HAVE SOME CLARITY, I FEEL, TO MAKE IT.

IF YOU WANT TO LET THE TOWN DROWN, THEN THAT'S FINE TOO.

IF YOU WANT TO SAVE THE TOWN, YOU'RE IN ANOTHER SITUATION.

WHICH ONE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT? WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP? WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO SACRIFICE IF YOU'RE WILLING TO SACRIFICE? FILLING IN. IF SOMEBODY'S PICKING UP TEN FOOT OF PROPERTY.

I'LL BE WILLING TO DO THAT. MAKING SOME LAND FOR YOURSELF.

WELL, YOU CAN EVEN LOOK AT THE SATELLITE IMAGES.

HOW MUCH WE'VE OF LAND WE'VE ALREADY LOST INTO THE DIRT.

INTO THE WATER. I MEAN, FRONT STREET WAS. IT WAS NOT EVEN THERE.

IT WAS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACK YEARS AGO.

COME ALL THE WAY, ALMOST UP TO STANDARD RING.

THE RAILROAD TRACK WAS ON, ON THE WATER'S EDGE, AND THEY MOVED IT TO WHERE IT IS NOW.

ALSO A FEW OTHER THINGS. THAT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WHAT ABOUT ATLANTIC SEAFOOD? LET'S GET OFF ON SOMETHING ELSE HERE.

ANYTHING HAPPENING ON THAT? NO. NOT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

HAS ANYBODY BROUGHT YOU ANY TYPE OF PROPOSED LEASE FOR A RESTAURANT IN THAT AREA? FOR BRETT'S. SOME PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP TO THOSE MEETINGS WERE LIKE, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUILD A RESTAURANT THERE.

AND I'M LIKE, GREAT, CONTACT THE CITY AND GIVE THEM A LEASE PROPOSAL.

OKAY. IT WAS FOLLOWED UP ON AND THERE IS NO THERE ARE NO PEOPLE.

I WAS WONDERING, SOMEONE MENTIONED TO ME THE IDEA OF HOPEFULLY A RESTAURANT GOING THERE AND IT BEING ONE WHERE YOU COULD HAVE THEM COOK WHATEVER YOU CAUGHT OUT THERE THAT DAY.

WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT, A CATCH AND. YEAH. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE PLACES LIKE THAT AROUND HERE WHERE THEY COOK WHATEVER YOU CATCH.

I DON'T KNOW, HIBACHI EVEN ALLOWED TO DO THAT? I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE ALLOWED.

BUT DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT ONE TO DO THAT. I THINK THAT'S A BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW NEAT CONCEPT THOUGH.

YOU CAN ACTUALLY CATCH FISH. I WOULD LOVE THAT CATCH STUFF AND THEN COME BACK IN AND HAVE SOMEBODY COOK IT.

ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? OH, WE GOT ANOTHER MEETING NEXT TIME NEXT MONTH.

[10. NEXT MEETING DATE - Wednesday, May 7, 2025 at 5PM]

NO, I GUESS WE'LL GET AN EMAIL. YOU'RE EITHER IN OR I'M NOT COMING.

I WANT TO GO OUT WITH A BIG BANG. HERE WE GO.

YEAH. HOW HARD IS HE GOING TO HAMMER THIS? WATCH YOUR EMAIL AND GET READY.

GET READY TO APPLY. SO THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING? I DON'T. I REALLY HOPE EVERYBODY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.