[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD REGULAR MEETING FOR MARCH 27, 2025, MEETING AT THE CITY HALL COMMISSION CHAMBERS.
THE MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER.
MADAM, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
>> COULD WE STAND NOW FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? MR. CORBETT, LEAD US, PLEASE.
>> ITEM FOUR, THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES AT 4.1 TO FEBRUARY 2025 REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
THEY'VE BEEN ON THE POSTED IN THE AGENDA PACKET.>> ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES?
>> I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN. THEY ARE APPROVED.
ITEM 5, PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
SIX, THE FRIENDS OF FERNANDINA BEACH GOLF COURSE CLUB UPDATE.
[6. FRIENDS OF FERNANDINA BEACH GOLF CLUB UPDATE]
I THINK MR. MURRAY SAID YOU WOULD PRESENT HIS ITEMS, MR. BIGGERS. IS THAT CORRECT?>> YES. JEFFREY BIGGERS, DIRECTOR, FERNANDINA BEACH GOLF CLUB.
I DON'T KNOW ALL THE ITEMS HE HAD, BUT I DID HAVE THE PART I WAS GOING TO MENTION WAS THEIR APPRECIATION PARTY THEY HAD LAST WEEK.
THEY HAD A GREAT TURNOUT WITH THEIR 50/50 RAFFLE, SILENT AUCTION, AND DONATIONS.
MINUS THEIR EXPENSES, THEY HAD A NET PROFIT OF AROUND $2,867.
WE DID HAVE THE CITY MANAGER, THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, PARKS AND REC MANAGER, MYSELF, AND COMMISSIONER MINSHEW AT THEIR APPRECIATION.
I THINK THEY HAD AROUND 80 PEOPLE, LIVE MUSIC, AND REALLY NICE APPETIZER DINNER.
>> I HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP COMMENT.
THIS PAST WEEKEND, THEY PUT UP 40 BIRD BOXES ACROSS THE GOLF COURSE.
THEY HAD FOUR BLUE BIRDS, AND THEY WERE INSTALLED ON DIFFERENT TREES.
EVERYBODY WHO BOUGHT ONE OF THE BOXES HAD THEIR NAME OR WHATEVER THEY WANTED INSCRIBED ON THE BOX BEFORE THEY WERE INSTALLED.
AS YOU DRIVE AROUND THE GOLF COURSE, IT'S INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT BOXES AND SEE WHO PUT THEM UP.
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE FRIENDS.
THEY DID AN AMAZING JOB THERE. WELL DONE.
>> I MENTIONED THAT LATER IN THE MEETING.
>> NOT A PROBLEM. HEY, IT NEEDS TO BE OUT THERE. [LAUGHTER]
>> YEAH. I THINK ANY DONATION OVER $35 AND YOU WILL GET A BIRD BOX.
[7. MGA UPDATE]
>> CHAIR PELICAN AND THE REST OF THE BOARD, I WOULD LIKE TO USE OUR TIME THIS EVENING, THE MGA TIME THIS EVENING TO REMEMBER ONE OF OUR MEMBERS WHO PASSED AWAY LAST WEEK.
LARRY BRADA GRADUATED FERNANDINA BEACH HIGH SCHOOL IN 1964.
AFTER THAT, HE WAS DRAFTED INTO THE UNITED STATES ARMY, WHERE HE SERVED HONORABLY AND WITH DISTINCTION IN THE REPUBLIC OF SOUTH VIETNAM.
HE'S A LOVING HUSBAND, FATHER, GRANDFATHER AND GREAT GRANDFATHER.
HE WAS A LOYAL GEORGIA BULLDOGS FAN.
HE WAS A LONGTIME MEMBER OF THE MGA.
WHEN I ASKED HIM ABOUT THAT LAST YEAR, HE SAID HE'S BEEN IN THE MGA, THE MEN'S GOLF ASSOCIATION FOREVER.
HE'S ALSO A LONGTIME MEMBER OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH GOLF CLUB.
HE WILL ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED FOR HIS GENEROSITY AND HIS KINDNESS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE IT.
>> HE WILL GET HIS NAME ON THE THING IN FRONT, RIGHT?
I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.
>> I'M CERTAIN THAT HIS NAME WILL BE ON THAT WALL AT THE CLUB AND IT'LL BE THERE WITHIN A MONTH.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. ITEM 8, THE WGA UPDATE.
[8. WGA UPDATE]
>> WELL, WE'RE STILL GETTING NEW MEMBERS THIS LATE IN THE SEASON.
THANKS TO THE CLOSING OF AMELIA NATIONAL FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. WE WELCOME THEM.
I THINK ACTUALLY A FEW MAY HAVE ACTUALLY BOUGHT MEMBERSHIPS TO THE COURSE AS WELL.
APRIL 22ND AND APRIL 29TH, WE HAVE OUR LADIES LEAGUE CLUB AT HANDICAP CHAMPION.
IT'S A TWO WEEK EVENT THAT WE'LL BE DOING.
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I BELIEVE OUR SEASON WINDS DOWN ON MAY 20TH WITH A SCRAMBLE.THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO REPORT RIGHT NOW.
[9. STAFF COMMENTS]
STAFF COMMENTS, 9.1, THE STAFF UPDATE.I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH OUR NUMBERS FOR THE MONTH AND A FEW OTHER THINGS.
STARTING OFF WITH THE GOLF SHOP, OUR FEBRUARY NUMBERS ARE $1,000 MORE REVENUE IN 2024 WITH NO RANGE REVENUE THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR.
THE NOTE THERE ON TAKEOUT FOR THE BOTTOMS, THAT'S GOING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE AT THE BOTTOM.
THE RANGE DID OVER $13,000 IN 2023 AND '24 FOR THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY.
AGAIN, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY OF THAT REVENUE AS WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK ON THE DRIVING RANGE.
AVERAGE TEMPERATURES WERE GREAT FOR GOLF.
WE DID 3766 TOTAL ROUNDS, WHICH IS ABOUT 600 MORE THAN WE DID IN '24.
02,247 OF THOSE WERE 18 WHOLE ROUNDS AND 1,519 WERE NINE HOLE ROUNDS.
WE BASICALLY AVERAGED ABOUT 134.5 ROUNDS A DAY, WHICH IS OUTSTANDING FOR FEBRUARY CONSIDERING HOW JANUARY WAS.
TOTAL GOLF COURSE REVENUE WAS 114,052, CART FEES 41,480, GREEN FEES 72,572.
OUR PRO SHOP SALES WERE 9,575, AND AGAIN, WE HAD NO RANGE REVENUE.
BASICALLY, OUR CART AND GREEN FEE AVERAGE PER ROUND WAS JUST OVER $30, WHICH THIS TIME OF YEAR, WHEN WE HAVE THE SNOWBIRDS IN, THIS IS WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BUSY.
FOR THE RANGE UPDATE. WEATHER HAD BEEN A FACTOR.
ON MY NOTES, AS OF THE 17TH, WE HAD NINE POLES IN.
WE HAD THE NETTING COMING OUT AGAIN TO JUST CHECK MEASUREMENTS, AND AS SOON AS THEY GET THOSE CUT, THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT.
THEY SAID IT'D BE ABOUT THREE TO FIVE DAYS, AND THEIR GOAL IS TO KNOCK IT OUT CONSECUTIVELY.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR GOOD WEATHER FOR THEM TO COME OUT AND DO THAT.
I TALKED TO THE REP THIS MORNING, AND WE'LL FIND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE THERE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE GOLF? GOOD MONTH.
>> DO YOU PLAN ON ANY MEASURES WHEN YOU REOPEN IT AS FAR AS GRAND OPENING?
>> YEAH. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING A GRAND OPENING, SOMETHING TO THE EXTENT OF MAYBE OPENING UP ON SATURDAY FIRST THING.
MY IDEAS WAS MAYBE AN HOUR'S WORTH OF LETTING EVERYBODY HIT FREE RANGE BALLS, HAVE A COOKOUT, SELL SOME BURGERS, HOT DOGS, AND THEN HAVE A LITTLE CONTEST AFTER THAT.
MAYBE GIVE AROUND THREE ROUNDS OF GOLF IF THEY HIT IT WITHIN 100 YARD CIRCLE OR MAYBE PUT A POOL OUT THERE WITH WATER, AND IT'S SOMETHING TO SPUR THE MOMENT, GET IT OUT THERE, PUT IT ON FACEBOOK, PUT IT IN THE NEWSLETTER, IF WE CAN.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT DATE'S GOING TO BE, AND THEN FROM THERE CONTINUE TO BE OPEN.
THE PLAN IS TO NOT USE TOP TRACER AND NOT STAFF IT AT THIS TIME.
WE'LL BE SELLING BALLS OUT OF THE PRO SHOP.
>> THEY'LL STILL BE HITTING BALLS OFF THE TOP TRACER, RIGHT?
>> JUST NOT THE TECHNOLOGY BEING ON.
>> NO. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, BUT THEY'D STILL USE THE PADS AND ALL.
>> OH, YES. WE'LL OPEN UP THE BASE.
YES. WE'RE EVEN CONSIDERING EXTENDING OUT TO THE SIDE, PUTTING MATS OUT AGAIN, EVEN ON THE EAST SIDE AND THE WEST SIDE.
FOOD AND BEVERAGE. FEBRUARY NUMBERS THERE.
WE WERE 7,000 LESS THAN THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
BUT WE ALSO HAD 30,000 THAT WE HAVE AT BONHAMS. THAT WAS A CONTRACT THAT DID NOT RENEW.
I EVEN HEARD RUMORS THAT THEY MAY NOT EVEN HAVE THE CART SHOW AT AMELIA THIS UPCOMING YEAR.
TOTAL FOOD AND BEVERAGE NUMBERS, 45,481, AGAIN, WITH 7,000 LESS.
WE HAD 16 TOTAL REVENUE GENERATING EVENTS IN THE MONTH.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT.
ON THAT FEBRUARY 27TH, THE CITY HAD OUR VISIONING SESSION AT THE CLUB THAT DAY.
WE ALSO HAD ONE OF THE BIGGEST DAYS WE'VE HAD SINCE WE'VE BEEN OPEN, AND WE ALSO HAD OUR BOARD MEETING THAT DAY LAST MONTH.
MY STAFF, THEY DID OVER 100 FOR THE WOMEN'S NEWCOMERS AT WALKER'S LANDING, AND THEY DID A GREAT JOB OF CATERING THAT.
I THINK PAST EXPERIENCE OF WORKING WITH BONHAMS HAS REALLY SET THE STAFF UP GOOD FOR TAKING STUFF OVER TO TO WALKER'S LANDING AND PRODUCING WHAT THOSE FOLKS NEEDED.
MARCH 21ST, WE HAD OUR FRENCH DINNER NIGHT.
WE HAD 46 SIGNED UP, GENERATED AROUND 1,500 PLUS DOLLAR FOR THE FOOD, AND ANY DRINKS THEY BOUGHT, AND THAT TURNED OUT VERY WELL.
THE ONE THING I DON'T HAVE UP FOR A SLIDE IS WE'VE GOT OUR NEW MENU IS GOING TO BE COMING OUT.
I JUST WANTED TO MENTION A COUPLE OF THE THINGS CHEF HAD PUT ON THERE.
HE'S ADDED A PESTO CHICKEN, A PHILLY CHEESESTEAK, A FISH SANDWICH, AND CLUB NACHOS.
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FOR BREAKFAST, HE'S CREATED A CHEF ED'S BENEDICT.THOSE ARE THE ADDITIONS TO THE NEXT MENU, AND IT SHOULD BE OUT BY THE 1ST OF APRIL.
ANY QUESTIONS ON FOOD AND BEVERAGE? GOLF COURSE MAINTENANCE. NEXT SLIDE.
IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, YOU MAY NOT HAVE NOTICED UNLESS YOU'RE OUT EARLY.
WE GOT OUR AGRIMETAL GREENS ROLLER.
IT'S GOT TWO ROLLERS ON EACH SIDE.
IT'S GOING TO HELP SMOOTH OUT THE GREENS.
THAT MEANS WE HAVE TWO OF THEM NOW.
WE DON'T DO THAT EVERY DAY, BUT IT TAKES THE TIME TO GO OUT THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE MOWING AND ROLLING, SO IT TAKES TWICE THE TIME, BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE TWO, WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE ALL OVER THE GOLF COURSE A LOT BETTER WITH THAT.
REALLY NEAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
WE'RE STILL ON PACE TO GET THE GREENS MOWERS AND THE BUNKER RAKE FOR MAY DELIVERY.
LAST WE CHECKED WITH THE REP, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
WE'LL SEE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE.
WHAT WE'VE DONE ON THE GOLF COURSE, IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, WE'VE DONE A WALL TO WALL, TEES, GREENS, FAIRWAYS, WITH THE PRE-EMERGENT, THIS IS FOR WEED CONTROL.
WE DON'T DO TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS IN THE ROUGH, BUT WE DID A BROAD SPECTRUM HERBICIDE APPLICATION FOR THE ROUGH, AT LEAST ONE CUT OF THAT, POSSIBLY TWO.
WE'VE DONE A TON OF CLEARING ON THE GOLF COURSE THAT YOU'VE NOTICED, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE DRIVING RANGE, ATTEMPTING TO GET READY FOR THE NETS AND THE POLES TO COME IN.
TRY TO LEVEL ALL THAT OUT, SO GOING FORWARD, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY ISSUES OUT THERE AGAIN WITH GROWTH ON THOSE POLES OR NETS GOING FORWARD.
ANOTHER BIG PROJECT, WORKING WITH STREETS WAS USING THEIR STUMP GRINDER.
WE'VE GRINDED OVER 40 PLUS STUMPS ON THE GOLF COURSE.
IF YOU'VE PLAYED, YOU'VE PROBABLY NOTICED SOMEWHERE IN REALLY STRATEGIC PLACES.
IF YOU NOTICE THOSE STUMPS OUT THERE THAT ARE STILL EXISTING, THE REASON WE LEAVE THOSE UP IS SO NOBODY RUNS OVER THEM IN A CART OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IF THEY'RE DEEP IN THE WOODS, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, BUT THAT'S WHY.
THAT'S A PROJECT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO DO EACH WINTER, IS GET OUT AND GRIND MORE AND MORE STUMPS.
MY LAST COMMENT ON THAT WAS THEY DID PUT OUT THE BIRD HOUSES.
YES. THAT WAS FRIENDS OF FERNANDINA, ANOTHER ONE OF THEIR PROJECTS.
IF YOU DONATE, I THINK, LIKE YOU SAID UP TO 35, YOU CAN GET A BIRD HOUSE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON GOLF COURSE MAINTENANCE? MEMBERSHIP SALES.
ONE NON RESIDENT COUPLE, EIGHT NON RESIDENT SINGLES, ONE RESIDENT SINGLE, AND ONE RESIDENT UNLIMITED.
AS OF THE 18TH, WE HAVE 159 TOTAL MEMBERSHIP SOLD.
A LOT OF THAT IS PART DUE TO AMELIA NATIONAL.
LIKE YOU SAID, WE CREATED A GOLF LEAGUE FOR THEM TO PLAY ON TUESDAYS, THURSDAYS, AND SUNDAYS, AND THEY HAVE ANYWHERE FROM 12-16 PLAY.
THEY'RE PAYING THE RATE TO PLAY UNLESS THEY JOIN.
I THINK WE'VE HAD SIX OF THOSE FOLKS JOIN.
THAT'S A MID-YEAR MEMBERSHIP TO GET THAT CART AND GREEN FEE DISCOUNTED RATE.
THAT'S ADDED TO OUR MEMBERSHIP THIS YEAR.
ANY QUESTIONS ON MEMBERSHIP? MARKETING. SAME ITEMS WE CONTINUE TO MARKET WITH WITH THE NEWSLETTER, WITH OUR NEWSLEADER, AMELIA NOW.
I GUESS THE NEWEST WAS, I WENT OUT AND TOOK A PICTURE OF OUR BANNER.
LOOKS REALLY GOOD IN THE OUTFIELD, BABE RUTH, FOUR BY SIX, AND THAT'S A PICTURE OF IT. LOOKS GREAT.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT VERY, VERY MUCH.
>> THAT'S IT RIGHT HERE, AIN'T?
>> [OVERLAPPING] RIGHT NOW. ANY QUESTIONS ON MARKETING? TOURNAMENTS AND OUTINGS.
ON THE 15TH, WE HAD THE INDIVIDUAL MODIFIED STABLEFORD WITH THE MEN'S GOLF ASSOCIATION.
ON MONDAY THE 17TH, OUR NINE-HOLE LADIES HAD THEIR INTER CLUB, AND THEY HAD 47 PLAYERS, AND THAT TURNED OUT REALLY WELL.
WE'VE HAD GOOD WEATHER SO FAR IN FEBRUARY AND INTO MARCH.
THE 23RD, WE HAD THE NORTH FLORIDA JUNIOR TOUR OUT IN THE MORNING.
THE MAJORITY OF THEM PLAYED 18 HOLES.
IT'S NOT A HUGE REVENUE GENERATOR, BUT IT GOES IN TIMES WHEN WE'RE NOT AS BUSY, AND WE'LL TAKE INCOME IF WE CAN GET IN THOSE AREAS. I BELIEVE THEY'LL COME BACK.
WE'VE GOT FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT JUNIOR GROUPS OF THIS SIZE THAT CONTINUE TO REACH OUT TO US, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM ON THE GOLF COURSE.
THE 4TH, WE HAVE THE MUSEUM TOURNAMENT.
THEY USED US IN NOVEMBER, I BELIEVE, BUT IT COINCIDED WITH ANOTHER TOURNAMENT ON THE DATE THEY HAD,
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SO THEIR NUMBERS WEREN'T AS BIG.THEY'RE EXPECTING TO FILL THIS ONE UP WITH AT LEAST 120 PLAYERS THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY INFLUENCE THE BLITZ, NOT HAVING A BLITZ THAT DAY.
I'LL TRY TO SEND STUFF OUT TO THE MGA TO LET THEM KNOW WHEN THOSE EVENTS COME UP.
TUESDAY, THE 8TH, WE HAVE SPARK GOLF.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU GUYS KNOW.
IF YOU GO ONLINE, GO TO SPARKGOLF.COM, I THINK AMELIA RIVER HAS BEEN DOING IT.
THIS MAY BE THEIR SECOND YEAR OF DOING IT.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO OFFER SOMETHING AFTER THE ROUND SO THEY CAN COME IN AND HANG OUT.
HAVE SOMETHING TO DRINK, MAYBE RUN SOME SPECIALS FOR FOOD.
WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHERE THAT GOES.
WE'RE NOT THAT BUSY ONCE YOU GET AFTER 05:00 AND TO HAVE SOMEONE STAFF IN THERE FOR THREE HOURS.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO BALANCE IT OUT AND SEE HOW THAT GOES.
BUT WE DO WANT TO CATER TO THAT.
I THINK I CAN LOOK AND SEE THEY MAYBE HAD 43 OR 44 PEOPLE ACTUALLY SIGN UP FOR OUR LEAGUE.
WHEN WE STARTED, THEY HAVE 23 ON THE BOOKS TO PLAY FOR THAT EVENING.
WE'RE HOLDING IT FOR 36, BASICALLY A FOUR-SOME PER HOLE.
WE'LL SPREAD IT OUT, BUT THE MOST CONVENIENT THING IS WE'RE PUTTING THEM ON THE NINE HOLES THAT'S CLOSED THAT DAY.
WE TYPICALLY CLOSE ON A TUESDAY SO OUR MAINTENANCE STAFF CAN DO FULL MAINTENANCE.
THEY'RE USUALLY OUT OF THERE AROUND 3:00.
IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN PLAYING, IF YOU GO ONLINE, SPARK GOLF, CLICK ON IT, THERE IS A SPOT FOR MEMBERS.
YOU CAN SIGN UP AS A MEMBER IN YOUR FEES, JUST YOUR MEMBER CART FEE PLUS THE $9 ENTRY FEE BECAUSE THEY BASICALLY HANDLE EVERYTHING.
WE JUST TAKE PAYMENT, PUT CART SIGNS OUT, AND THEY RUN THE GAME.
APRIL 11TH IS THE NEXT DINNER.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I PUT THE FRENCH ON THERE.
>> WE ALREADY HAD THE FRENCH. THE 19TH.
WE HAVE THE NEXT MEN'S GOLF ASSOCIATION TOURNAMENT.
THE FOUR MAN CHACHA. IT'S AT 8:30.
I TALKED WITH THE MEN'S GROUP AND SAID, IF WE CAN GO EARLIER, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO FOR THE SUMMER, AND THEY AGREED TO THAT.
ON THE 20TH, WE HAVE OUR EASTER SUNDAY BRUNCH.
IT'S GOING TO BE FROM 10:00 AM TO 1:00 PM.
EVERYBODY COME OUT FOR SOME OF THAT.
THE 26, THE NEIL HAMPTON GOLF TOURNAMENT THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR MIXER THAT DAY.
THEY'LL BE GOING AT 10:00, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT HAVING AROUND 120 PLAYERS.
THESE ARE THE TYPES OF EVENTS WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUT THERE TO GENERATE REVENUE.
THIS IS A TOURNAMENT THAT, I BELIEVE USED US IN 2017 AND PRIOR.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHY THEY LEFT.
IT COULD BE COURSE CONDITIONS, BUT THEY'VE HEARD THE GOLF COURSES IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE.
THEY CAME OUT AND DID A TOUR, AND THEY AGREED TO GO WITH US AGAIN.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.
FINALLY, ON THAT REPORT, THE LAST WEEK OF APRIL IS WHEN WE START OUR IRIFICATION.
IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, WE TYPICALLY VERIFY A NINE PER WEEK, SO THAT'LL BE STARTING THAT IRIFICATION.
WE'RE GOING TO START ON THE SOUTH COURSE.
THE ROTATION WILL GO SOUTH NORTH TO WEST FOR A THREE WEEK PERIOD.
THEY'LL BE PULLING PLUGS, TOP DRESSING, SANDING, VERT CUTTING THE WHOLE 9 YARDS, SO THAT'LL BE OUR SPRING IRIFICATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT?
>> THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO GO OVER IS IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN ABOUT OUR WELLS.
WE HAVE ONE SOURCE OF WATER, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO PULL THE WELL ON NORTH, WHICH IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT IS, THAT'S LIKE RIGHT BEHIND NUMBER 6(T) NORTH.
IF THAT GOES WELL, WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE THAT AS A SOURCE, BUT THAT'S THE FIRST STEP OF SEEING WHAT THAT WELL WILL DO AND IF IT HAS ANY PROBLEMS OR ISSUES. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT?
>> PUMP GOT A COMMISSION ON IT OR YOU DON'T KNOW?
IT'S PERMANENT, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN USED, SO O WE HAVE TO GET IN THERE AND SEE IF IT CAN BE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GET IN THERE AND NOT BE ABLE TO USE IT AND HAVE TO SLEEVE IT OR SOMETHING.
WE NEED TO HOLD 6 ", WE NEED ALL THAT WATER TO GET OVER.
THIS IS FOR US TO GET A SECOND SOURCE, WHICH WILL LEAD INTO BEING WITH OUR 12 INCH TO BE OUR SECOND SOURCE OF WATER, BOTH OF THOSE COMBINED WHEN WE GET TO THE ROAD AND HAVE RECLAIMED WATER 57 YEARS FROM NOW.
>> IS THAT A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR YOU USE FOR THAT OR.
>> LOCAL WELL DRILLER, FREEMAN WELL DRILLING HAS GIVEN US A PRICE AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT, SO YES.
JEFFREY AND I JUST GOT A QUOTE FOR THAT WELL OR TO PULL IT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT,
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NOR DOES THE IT'S BASICALLY BEEN SITTING THERE.THE FIRST, LIKE JEFFREY SAID IS TO FIND OUT WHAT'S WRONG.
IF WE CAN GET IT OPERABLE, LIKE YOU HAD MENTIONED THE PUMP, THERE MIGHT BE AN ISSUE WITH THE PUMP.
THE GOAL WILL BE TO FIND OUT WHAT'S WRONG AND THEN ANALYZE THE COST TO GET IT IF WE CAN GET IT OPERATIONAL, BECAUSE, AS JEFFREY HAD NOTED ALSO, IF WE HAVE TO SLEEVE THAT WELL, IT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE WORTH IT BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT IT CAN GENERATE AT THAT POINT.
WE WOULD BE FIXING A WELL THAT WOULDN'T SUIT OUR NEEDS.
THEN WE HAVE TO GO DOWN THE PATH OF WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO GET THIS SECONDARY SOURCE OF WATER.
THIS IS THE WAY THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS FINANCIALLY, ECONOMICALLY, IS THAT THIS IS THE CHEAPEST WAY TO GET WHAT WE NEED, AND WE THINK THIS BUT WE HAVE TO FIND OUT FIRST, SO WE'RE GOING TO PULL THAT.
THE GENTLEMAN WILL TELL US THEN AT THAT POINT, IF HE CAN DO IT AND HOW MUCH IT WILL BE, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ALONG WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
>> YEAH, AS HE SAID IF IF THEY SLEEVE AT THE AMOUNT OF WATER I THINK THE GOLF COURSE NEEDS IS 500-600,000 GALLONS AND THAT'S HOW MUCH IT DOES TO WATER THE WHOLE GOLF COURSE ONE TIME.
IF IT'S TOO SMALL, IT WON'T BE IT WON'T BE FEASIBLE FOR US TO DO IT.
>> BECAUSE OUR PLAN WILL BE TO TAKE THE WATER FROM THAT WELL, PUSH IT OVER TO OUR EXISTING WELL, WHERE THAT POND IS.
THEN WE CAN PUSH THAT WATER TO THE IRRIGATION PUMP, WHICH IS BY NINE.
>> NINE NORTH. WE ARE WORKING ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT WELL AT THIS TIME? HELP US MAKE OUR DECISION.
>> DID HE SAY IT WAS AS DEEP AS?
>> I THOUGHT HE SAID IT WAS LESS THAN WE THOUGHT.
>> 600 FEET. I THINK OUR EXISTING WELL WAS 750, BUT WE'RE NOT.
>> IS IT DO YOU KNOW IF HAVE YOU TESTED THE WATER?
WE'RE BASICALLY IN FACT FINDING MODE RIGHT NOW. YES.
>> ONE QUESTION. I THINK IT'S 14 DAYS, 15 DAYS, WE'VE HAVEN'T HAD A DROP OF RAIN AT ALL, OR VERY LITTLE.
I THINK IN MY PERSONAL OPINION IS, THE SOONER WE CAN GET THE FACT FINDING MISSION ESTABLISHED, WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN TO GO FORTH TO THE COMMISSION AND REQUEST THE MONEY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO PUTTING THIS GOLF COURSE IN A CONDITION THAT HAS NOT BEEN SEEN IN YEARS, AND TO HAVE THE WEATHER BE THE DETERRENT, WHICH ALWAYS IS TO TRY TO TAKE AWAY SOME OF THE ADVANCES THAT WE HAVE MADE ON THE GOLF COURSE.
I THINK IT'S PERTINENT THAT WE LOOK AT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THOSE QUOTES TO THE COMMISSION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
>> YES. OUR PLAN WILL BE TO GET ALL THIS INFORMATION AND PRESENTED TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, MR. GLISSON AND MISS CAMPBELL AND GIVE THEM WHAT COST ESTIMATES, AND THIS IS HOW WE WOULD DO THAT AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THEY'LL HELP US LEAD IN THE DIRECTION THAT THEY WANT.
>> I BELIEVE THE LAST THING I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON WAS THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING PERTAINING TO THE BOARD AND CONSOLIDATING OR SUNSETTING BOARDS.
I WAS THE WAY MR. GLISSON MENTIONED SOME OF THAT.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, JEREMIAH GLISSON, CITY OF FERNANDINA.
I WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
I'M SURE SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OR SEEN AT THE MEETING.
BUT AT THE MARCH 18TH MEETING, THE CITY COMMISSION THROUGH COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, HAD RECEIVED CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME BOARD CONSOLIDATION, SOME BOARD REALIGNMENT TO IMPROVE EFFICIENCY.
WE HAVE 13 BOARDS IN THE CITY AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE COST AND WORKING WITH ALL THOSE BOARDS, AND SOMETIMES SOME OF THOSE BOARDS HAVE A OVERLAPPING RESPONSIBILITY WAS CREATING SOME CONCERNS.
THERE WAS INTEREST IN CONSOLIDATING SOME OF THOSE BOARDS, AND THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD WAS ON THAT LIST.
THEY DID JUST REACH CONSENSUS.
THAT HASN'T BEEN FORMALLY ADOPTED, BUT IT'LL LIKELY BE FORMALLY ADOPTED AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE APRIL 15TH,
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AND THAT WOULD BE BEFORE YOU ALL MEET AGAIN.WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE DETAILS OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WHAT WAS PROPOSED IS TO ASSIMILATE THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD, SOME OF THE MEMBERSHIP INTO THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD.
THERE'S SOME OVERLAP THERE ORGANIZATIONALLY, OPERATIONALLY.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT WOULD MAKE SOME SENSE.
THAT IS ONE OF THE BOARDS, YOU ARE ONE OF THE BOARDS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT.
THERE'S INTEREST IN HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THIS TALENT IS STILL BROUGHT ON TO WHAT WE CALL PRAC, SO THAT THE GUIDANCE AND OVERSIGHT OF THE GOLF COURSE ISN'T LOST.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT EVERYTHING HASN'T FULLY BEEN FORMALIZED, BUT WANTED YOU TO KNOW, AND WE'LL KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE AS THIS DEVELOPS.
BUT THIS WILL LIKELY BE THE LAST MEETING THAT YOU ALL HAVE.
ANYTHING THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU STILL HAVE ROOM ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSIONS, BUT FEEDBACK THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON HOW YOU COULD SEE THAT THIS WOULD UNFOLD OR BENEFIT PRAC SPECIFICALLY WOULD BE GREAT.
HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT BEING ABLE TO HAVE A FINGER ON THE PULSE OF THE GOLF COURSE IS IT LOST.
WELCOME ANY FEEDBACK YOU MIGHT HAVE ON HOW TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
>> WELL, I'D LIKE TO START OFF.
I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AT ALL.
I WATCHED THAT MEETING AND I THINK THE MOST VALUABLE PART ASIDE FROM THE DUTIES THAT ARE PUT IN THE LAST ITERATION ABOUT THE GOLF BOARD IS TO BE PEOPLE THAT CAN SPEAK FREELY.
WE HAVE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT WE SEE AT THOSE COMMISSION MEETINGS AND THEN THE REST OF THE PEOPLE, THE EMPLOYEES, AND THEN THERE'S THE PUBLIC.
MY CONCERN IS THAT AT TIMES THE EMPLOYEES WILL NOT BE ABLE THEY NEED THERE NEEDS TO BE AN INDEPENDENT VOICE OUT THERE THAT I'M NOT DEPENDENT ON THEIR EMPLOYMENT.
THEY WANT TO FIRE ME FROM THE BOARD.
THAT'S THE PREROGATIVE, I GUESS.
BUT I THINK THEY NEED AN INDEPENDENT VOICE BECAUSE IN THAT PRESENTATION ALONE AND IN THE PREVIOUS WORKSHOP, I HEARD A COUPLE OF THINGS SAID THAT WERE NOT TRUE, AND NO ONE PUSHED BACK ON HIM.
THEY WERE JUST LEFT OUT THERE.
ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS, THEY JUST STARTED THE BOARD BECAUSE THEY HAD BILLY CASPER MANAGEMENT.
WELL, I HAVE A STACK OF RECORDS, AND I KNOW THE BOARD'S BEEN THERE, I THINK IT IS 1980 OR 1988.
IT'S BEEN AROUND AND I THINK FOR GOOD PURPOSE.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT NOW THAT BILLY CASPER IS GONE, WE DON'T NEED YOU.
THE PREVIOUS GOLF COURSE MANAGER, HE DIDN'T LIKE THE BOARD EITHER.
HIS ATTITUDE WAS, IF I WANT YOUR ADVICE, I'LL ASK FOR IT, OTHERWISE.
GO AWAY, I MEAN, THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT.
THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM FROM THAT.
WELL, THE OTHER BIG THING ABOUT IT IS THE STATUS OF THE GOLF COURSE IN THE ENTERPRISE FUND.
NOW, IF THAT'S NOT BEING CHANGED, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU COULD TAKE AWAY THE BOARD THAT'S MONITORING THE ENTERPRISE FUND.
PARKS AND REC IS NOT AN ENTERPRISE OPERATION, BUT THE GOLF COURSE IS, SO UNTIL THE GOLF COURSE IS ROLLED INTO PARKS AND REC, IF THAT'S THE CHOICE, WHICH I THINK ENTAILS A LOT MORE THAN JUST MAKING A PIECE OF PAPER AND SAYING THAT SO THE WHOLE STATUS OF CHANGING FROM ENTERPRISE FUND AND AND WHATEVER LEGALITIES NEED TO BE PURSUED BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN TRIED SINCE THOSE THREE FUNDS CAME INTO BEING YEARS AGO, MARINA, THE AIRPORT.
MY SECONDARY CONCERN IS THE GOLF COURSE WILL NOT HAVE ENOUGH VOICE ON THAT BOARD.
I'D SAY GOING BACK AT LEAST TWO YEARS, I COULD SEE PARKS AND REC HAVING DESIGNS ON THAT GOLF COURSE.
I MEAN, THEY MADE A BIG PUSH FOR TWO YEARS AGO, ALL THESE WORKSHOPS AND EVERYTHING, AND THAT FIRST HOLE OR THE SECOND HOLE OR ALL THAT NORTH 9 IS JUST BEGGING TO BE PICKLEBALL COURTS INSTEAD OF GOLF COURSE.
I THOUGHT THAT WENT AWAY, BUT OBVIOUSLY, IT DIDN'T.
THEN ANOTHER COMMISSIONER SAID, WELL, THE GOLF WAS IN THE DECLINE AND TO MOVE FORWARD, WE SHOULD BE GOING WITH PICKLE BALL AND HE HAPPENED TO VOTE FOR CHOP TRACER COMING IN.
BUT NONE OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND NONE OF THE EMPLOYEES PRESENT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTRADICT SOMEONE WHEN INFORMATION IS BEING PUT
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OUT PUBLICLY AND PEOPLE SAY THE COMMISSIONER SAID IT MUST IT WASN'T.BUT THAT, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS AN OPINION ABOUT THIS, BUT THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON IT.
>> I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THERE'S REPRESENTATION FROM THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE GOLF COURSE THE MOST.
I MEAN, WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S US HERE, BUT I SEE IT FROM IN NEW JERSEY, WHERE I CAME FROM.
WE HAD A PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT IN SOMERSET COUNTY.
NOW, OF COURSE, IT WAS COUNTY WIDE, BUT THEY RAN EVERYTHING TOGETHER, AND WE HAD PHENOMENAL PUBLIC COURSES.
AGAIN, I NOT SAYING IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA, BUT I THINK IT REALLY DEPENDS UPON MAKING SURE THERE IS REPRESENTATION AND THAT, I REMEMBER THAT.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS FOR THE CANDIDATES FORUM.
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT MAKING NORTH A LITTLE PAR 3 COURSE, LIKE A RECREATIONAL THING.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE COMMITTED TO THE FULL 27 HOLES IN KEEPING THE COURSE THE WAY IT IS. THAT'S BEEN A BIG THING.
BUT THAT TO ME, WOULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT THOSE OF US WHO HAVE ACTUALLY MOVED INTO THIS AREA, MOSTLY SO WE COULD PLAY GOLF, AND HAVE A LONGSTANDING AFFILIATION WITH THE MUNICIPAL COURSE, WOULD HATE TO SEE TOO MUCH OF THAT CHANGE.
WITH SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING ON, I CAN SEE IT EVEN GETTING MORE AND MORE.
I MEAN, THE FACT THAT MEMBERSHIPS ARE UP AND IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE THERE'S TEMPORARY CLOSURES, BUT I CAN SAY FOR A FACT, MANY WOMEN CAME TO OUR COURSE BEFORE IT WAS ANNOUNCED THAT A MILAN NATIONAL WAS GOING TO BE CLOSED.
THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT.
I MEAN, THE GOLF COURSE IT'S A GREAT PLUS, I THINK FOR THIS AREA.
IT'S WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE, I THINK, COME DOWN HERE YEAR AFTER YEAR AS SNOWBIRDS.
>> I JUST WANT TO ADD TWO THINGS OR MAYBE THREE.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN WHEREVER I'VE BEEN THAT RECREATION HAS ALWAYS ENCOMPASSED GOLF.
EVEN IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, THERE WAS THREE GOLF COURSES, AND THEY WERE ENCOMPASSED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF RECREATION.
SECOND, I THINK NOW THAT SCOTT HAS BECOME THE LIAISON FOR GOLF, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT HE UNDERSTANDS BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION.
HE HAS BEEN PUT IN A POSITION SO THAT THE GENERAL MANAGER CAN ACTUALLY DO WHAT A GENERAL MANAGER IS SUPPOSED TO DO, AND THAT IS WORK ON THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE GOLF COURSE ALONG WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT AND LEAVE THAT PART OF THE JOB OF NEGOTIATING WITH REC BOARDS OR PRAC BOARDS OR GOLF BOARDS UP TO THE PERSON THAT HEADS THOSE DEPARTMENTS.
THIRD, AND THIS IS THE BEST PART, I THINK, I MADE A STATEMENT, AND MR. GLISSON KNOWS ABOUT IT, THAT I SAID OUT LOUD IN A LETTER TO HIM THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE TYPE OF MEMBERS THAT KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THE GOLF COURSE.
I RECOMMENDED HIGHLY THAT WE TAKE AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE TO BE ADDED TO THE PARK BOARD, SO IT CAN HELP THOSE TWO PEOPLE HELP US UNDERSTAND THE OTHER SEVEN PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE BOARD.
IT'S A LEARNING PROCESS, BUT ALSO, I THINK IT'S A CONSOLIDATION PROCESS WHERE WE HAVE ONE LEADER AT THE TOP THAT'S GUIDING THE CITY IN A VERY POSITIVE WAY.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT GOLF WAS PART OF RECREATION. THANK YOU.
>> ONE OF MINSHEW'S BIG THINGS, WE'D SAVE MONEY ON THIS?
>> MONEY WAS A CONSIDERATION. YES, SIR.
>> HOW MANY STAFF ARE YOU GOING TO CUT WHEN YOU DO ALL THIS? HOW MANY STAFF WOULD YOU CUT TO SAVE SOME MONEY?
>> THERE'S NOT A CUT-OFF OF STUFF.
>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. YOU AIN'T CUTTING ANY STAFF, SO YOU AIN'T SAVING ANY MONEY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT'S DISINGENUOUS, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, BUT WHATEVER.
LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION.
IN THE BY-LAWS, DON'T THE BY-LAW STATE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A COMMITTEE AND ALL THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS HAVE THEIR OWN COMMITTEE, OR AM I JUST OFF ON THAT? HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO THAT AND SEE?
>> NOT ALL ENTERPRISE FUNDS HAVE THEIR OWN COMMITTEE.
WE'VE GOT ENTERPRISES WITHIN THE CITY THAT DO NOT,
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UTILITIES DEPARTMENT, SANITATION FUND, THINGS LIKE THAT.>> NO. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE, THE MARINA, AND THE AIRPORT.
>> FOR EACH BOARD THAT'S BEEN FORMED, THERE'S A CORRESPONDING RESOLUTION THAT GOES BACK FURTHER THAN OTHERS THAT SET THE CRITERIA FOR THAT, HOW THE MEMBERSHIP SHOULD BE, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
YOU DO HAVE TO GO BACK. YOU'RE RIGHT, MEMBER CORBETT.
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE AND BRING THOSE BACK UP AND REPEAL THEM OR ADJUST THEM.
>> YOU HAVE TO REPEAL THOSE AND CREATE NEW.
THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE LIFT TO MAKE SURE ALL THAT'S DONE CORRECTLY, BECAUSE THIS IS A NUMBER OF BOARDS THAT THIS WILL LIKELY OCCUR TO.
OF COURSE, WHAT WAS MENTIONED AS WELL IS MAKING SURE THAT SOME OF THE EXPERTISE, YOU TOM AND YOU LYN AND SOME OF THAT EXPERTISE THAT'S HERE.
OVERSEEING THAT GOLF COURSE IS NOT LOST, AND IT IS ASSIMILATED INTO ANOTHER BOARD WHEN YOU CHANGE THAT MEMBERSHIP.
>> I THINK THAT WAS LISA'S POINT AND JOHN'S.
WHAT YOU GOT, SEVEN MEMBERS NOW?
>> IF YOU HAD TWO, THAT'S A START, BUT YOU'RE WATERING IT DOWN, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.
IS JEFFREY GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK? IS HE GOING TO MAKE PRESENTATIONS AT THESE AND EXTEND THE MEETINGS MORE?
>> ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S NO INTENT TO SQUASH THAT VOICE.
[OVERLAPPING] REALLY ONE THING THAT WE'RE SEEING AND SOME OF THE TALK ABOUT THE BOARDS IS THE BOARDS ARE APPOINTED BY THE COMMISSION.
THEY SERVE AT THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION.
THE POINT OF THE BOARD IS THE COMMISSIONER OVERSEES A LOT OF COMPLEX ISSUES, THE ENTIRE CITY, AND THERE'S CERTAIN FUNCTIONS THAT REQUIRE AN EXTRA LOOK, AN EXTRA DIVE IN DUE TO COMPLEXITY OF IT.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE VARIOUS BOARDS AND AREAS TO LOOK AT CODE ENFORCEMENT, SUCH AS THE ADJUSTMENT APPEALS BOARD, TO HAVE A MARINA ADVISORY BOARD.
THE HTC, HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL, SERVES AS A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD.
YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF BOARDS THAT LOOK AT COMPLEX FUNCTIONS.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THERE, SO THE COMMISSION IS NOT PERFORMING THAT.
IT'S INCUMBENT UPON THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARDS HAVE THE TOOLS NECESSARY TO DO THAT.
ONE THING THAT IS NOT AS LACKING IN SOME OF THE BOARDS THAT WE'VE SEEN IS THAT FLOW OF INFORMATION BACK.
THE BOARDS, IN THE SENSE, ARE OPERATING IN A SILOED FASHION.
THERE'S NOT THAT INFORMATION GOING BACK EITHER THROUGH A QUARTERLY REPORT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO THE COMMISSION OF, HEY, HERE'S THE LATEST WITH WHAT WE'RE HERE APPOINTED TO OVERSEE.
LOOKING AT THAT BOARD BACKUP MATERIAL TO ENSURE THAT THAT'S THERE SO THAT GOING FORWARD, THE BOARDS CAN FUNCTION HARMONIOUSLY WITH THE COMMISSION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. YES, SIR.
>> MR. GLISSON, I WANT TO ADDRESS TWO THINGS.
ONE, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO SERVE ON THE BOARD AND A PLEASURE TO SERVE THE CITY.
SECOND, I WANT TO FOLLOW A STRING THAT YOU STARTED, AND I NEED YOU TO HELP CLARIFY SOME THINGS FOR ME.
YOU USED THE EXPRESSION SQUASH THE VOICE.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE OF THE TWO HEADS OF THE BOARDS, THE PARKS AND RECREATION AND THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD WAS ASKED TO SUBMIT A LETTER WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT HOW TO PROCEED, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> CAN YOU BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC? POSSIBLY, BUT I NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.
>> MR. CAMERA WAS ASKED TO SUBMIT A LETTER ABOUT HOW TO PROCEED.
>> I'M HERE IN THIS CAPACITY TO ASK FOR THAT ENCOURAGEMENT.
ANYONE WE'VE TALKED TO IT'S LIKE, IF YOU'VE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, LET US KNOW.
THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT JUST HAD HAPPENED VERY RECENTLY.
LIKE I SAID, IT JUST HAPPENED AT THE 18TH.
IT HAPPENED AT THE COMMISSION MEETING [OVERLAPPING].
I'M JUST TRYING TO SEEK CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE VOICE OF THE CHAIR OF THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD WAS NOT ASKED FOR.
>> HE WANTS TO KNOW WHY JOHN WASN'T ASKED AND TOM WAS.
>> NO. I HAVEN'T TALKED IN FRONT OF PRAC YET.
I TALKED WITH TOM INFORMALLY WHEN HE'S HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IT, AND I'M LIKE, HEY, WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK, BUT IT'S BEEN NOTHING MORE FORMAL THAN THAT. JUST A SECOND.
>> HOLD ON. IT WAS ONLY ASKING ME IF IT CAME TO FRUITION, WHAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
MY RECOMMENDATION WAS TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE COME FROM THE GOLF ADVISORY BOARD OR APPLY WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. I DON'T CARE.
BUT WE NEEDED THE INPUT OF GOLF ON THE PRAC BOARD IF THEY EVER WENT IN THAT DIRECTION,
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AND THAT'S HOW MY LETTER WAS WRITTEN BACK TO THE PEOPLE THAT I WAS ASKED FOR.>> THE QUESTION IS, WHY WOULDN'T JOHN GET THE SAME THING? ALL THE BOARDS THAT WEREN'T GOING TO BE SQUASHED OR WHATEVER, NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WERE ASKED THEIR OPINION ON GOING FORWARD?
>> THIS IS THAT EFFORT, MEMBER CORBETT.
THIS IS IT. I'M TELLING YOU ALL.
I'M TAKING ON MY OWN VOLITION HERE THAT AS THE BOARDS MEET, WE HAVE THE CRA COMING UP NEXT, AND PRAC COMING UP AS WELL IS TO INFORM THOSE THAT, HEY, HERE'S THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE, AND THIS IS HOW IT'S MOVING FORWARD.
HOW CAN WE BRIDGE THIS GAP? THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT OF THIS RIGHT NOW IS.
THE FIRST BOARD I MENTIONED IT TO YOU WAS THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD.
MR. CAMERA WAS HERE AND HEARD SOME OF THAT.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT HAD STARTED THAT QUESTION, THAT CONCERN.
HE WAS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WHEN I FIRST ADDRESSED THE MARINA HERE LAST WEEK.
THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TO JUST FORMALLY SAY THAT, SO IT'S [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHEN WERE YOU ASKED TO DO THAT AND WHERE?
>> WHEN WERE YOU ASKED TO SUBMIT THE LETTER, AND WHERE WAS IT?
>> WAS THAT AFTER A MEETING THAT YOU KNEW OR DID SOMEBODY CONTACT YOU FROM THE CITY? MY POINT IS, IF HE WAS CONTACTED DURING A MEETING, OKAY.
YOU'RE TELLING US THIS IS OUR MEETING.
BUT IF HE WASN'T, HE WAS CONTACTED PERSONALLY.
WHAT'S THE STORY? WHY WASN'T JOHN CONTACTED PERSONALLY?
>> I HAD CONTACTED MR. CAMERA PERSONALLY ABOUT ANYTHING RELATED TO THESE BOARDS.
>> LIKE I SAID, HE WAS HERE AT THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD WHEN IT CAME UP.
>> WHEN HE MADE THIS, TALKED [OVERLAPPING].
>> YOU TALKED TO THE MARINA BOARD. DON'T FORGET THAT.
>> THEN THAT'S WHEN I WAS ASKED WHAT WOULD I DO.
>> I WAS ASKED BY MR. GLISSON.
>> IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT THAT HE WASN'T ASKED.
>> I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT.
>> YOU WANT TO POINT A FINGER, I SUPPOSE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE MARINA AND ANSWERED SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE.
HE WAS IN HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, AND AFTERWARDS, HE'S LIKE, WELL, WHAT THAT LOOK LIKE FOR PRAC? I'M LIKE, WELL, WE'LL GET THERE.
AS I TOLD ALL OF YOU AT THE ONSET OF THIS AND THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD, ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SO THAT YOUR VOICE ISN'T LOST SO THAT THIS CAN MOVE FORWARD PRODUCTIVELY AS WELL AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE, WELCOME TO IT.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO ASK JOHN AND TO SUBMIT HIS THING?
>> I DID THAT ONSET OF THIS MEETING.
I SAID, ANY FEEDBACK YOU MIGHT HAVE HAS BEEN WELCOME. I'VE BEEN TAKING.
>> LET'S NOT HAVE ANY PRETENSE I'M NOT DOING JUST THAT.
>> I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO COMMENT THIS, BUT MY COMMENT IS COMMISSIONERS HAVE STARTED USING THEIR COMMISSIONER COMMENTS TO UNLOAD ALL SORTS OF STUFF ON THE MANAGEMENT OF THE CITY, WHETHER IT'S DISMISSAL OF SOMEBODY OR GET RID OF BOARDS, AND THEY'RE QUITE SUDDEN AND DRASTIC.
I'M GOING TO SAY IT. HE'S COMMITTING, AND EVERYBODY SAYS, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. WHY DON'T I THINK? IT'S RIDICULOUS BECAUSE NOBODY COMES UP WITH GOOD THOUGHTS IN FIVE MINUTES.
I'VE DONE THAT WHEN I'VE TRIED TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING THAT'S BEING SAID.
MOST OF IT IS INCOHERENT, BUT WHAT I HEAR IS A LOT OF SILENCE, AND WE'LL MOVE AHEAD NEXT MEETING.
IS IT REALLY A GOOD IDEA? PUT THAT IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC, WHETHER IT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY HAD THE WHOLE THING ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT BEING SQUASHED OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND NOW YOU'RE SQUASHING COMMENTS IN ANOTHER WAY BY THESE VOICES THAT MAY GIVE YOU SOME PUSHBACK ON THESE CHANGES JUST BEING GONE.
IF IT HAPPENS, FINE, A PERSON CAN DO IT AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, WHICH IS PROBABLY LESS CONTROLLED AND EVERYTHING IF SOMEONE IS NOT EVEN ON A BOARD.
BUT AGAIN, MY MAIN COMPLAINT IS THE PARKS AND RECS ALWAYS SEEM, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS HAD THEIR EYES ON GOLF COURSE PROPERTY, AND THEY'VE NEVER SOLD ME ON A COHERENT PLAN THAT WOULDN'T RUIN, EVEN IF YOU CLOSE DOWN THAT NINE, THE NORTH NINE.
WHAT'S THE COHERENT TO GET PEOPLE BETWEEN THAT DRIVING RANGE AND THE CLUBHOUSE? IS IT JUST GOING TO BE A ROAD RIGHT THROUGH THERE? IT MAKES NO SENSE, REALLY.
I DON'T THINK STAFF IS GOING TO TELL THE COMMISSIONS IT MAKES NO SENSE.
THAT'S WHY YOU NEED A LOUD BOARD BECAUSE THEY'LL SAY THAT MAKES NO SENSE.
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IT MAKES NO SENSE TO MAKE MAJOR CITY RECREATION CENTER DOWN AT THE TAIL END OF THE CITY WHERE MOST OF THE PEOPLE LIVE UP IN THE NORTH.I DON'T KNOW HOW CERTAIN DIFFERENT MINORITY COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO FEEL LIKE, OH, WOW, SORRY, JUST GET UBER TO TAKE YOU DOWN TO THE REC COUNTRY CLUB DOWN AT THE GOLF COURSE.
I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO SAY THAT.
I DON'T EXPECT MR. BIGGERS BECAUSE YOU WORK FOR THEM, AND THEY'LL SAY, WELL, WE'LL GET SOMEONE THAT WILL DO IT.
I THINK THAT'S HOW IT WORKS, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK AS STRONG AND POWERFUL BOARDS AS THEY CAN TOLERATE, I THINK IT'S THE BEST REGARDLESS OF THE ULTIMATE OUTCOME, AT LEAST YOU'D GET SOME EXAMINATION OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING VERSUS, YES, SIR.
>> IF STAFF ARE NOT GOING TO BE CUT, HOW ARE THE SAVINGS GOING TO BE REALIZED? WHAT WOULD GO IN PLACE THAT WOULD CREATE MORE SAVINGS?
>> I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE HERE, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER OBLIGATIONS IN FRONT OF STAFF TO FOCUS THEIR EFFORT AND ATTENTION ON.
THERE'S STAFF WORK INVOLVED ADMINISTRATIVELY ON A NUMBER OF FUNCTIONS.
THERE'S THE COST OF FILMING THE MEETINGS.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT THEY ARE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO SELL YOU ON.
>> THERE'S THE COST OF FILMING THE MEETINGS.
THERE'S ALL THE REPORTING THAT'S DONE.
THERE'S THE STAFF INVOLVED IN THIS VERY MEETING.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK ON POSTING.
CITY CLERK'S OFFICE HAS A LOT OF WORK ON ALL THE AGENDA PREPARATION.
THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF FROM DIFFERENT AREAS THAT COMES FOR THESE BOARDS, AND ONE OF THE GOALS OF THE COMMISSION AT THE VISIONING SESSION WAS SOME EFFICIENCY IN GOVERNMENT AND TO DO THAT.
THIS IS ONE OF A STEP IN A NUMBER OF DIRECTIONS TO DO THAT.
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, ANY STAFF THAT'S LAID OFF, BUT STAFF CAN FOCUS ON SOME OTHER THINGS.
>> [INAUDIBLE] STAFF LAID OFF.
>> I GOT ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU ANSWER.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND PATIENCE..
>> THAT'S WHAT YOU GET PAID IN BIG BUCKS FOR.
HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK WITH ALL THOSE BIG BUCKS. [LAUGHTER]
>> HAVING AN ENTERPRISE [OVERLAPPING]
>> HAVING AN ENTERPRISE OPERATION UNDER A REGULAR CITY OPERATION.
COMMISSIONER MINCH YOU ALLUDED TO THAT.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN SUBDUED INTO THE PARKS IN RECS.
>> THE BUDGET DOES NOT, IT'S A SEPARATE BUDGET.
TO YOUR POINT, ENTERPRISE FUND IS A SEPARATE BUDGET.
UNDER MY PURVIEW, I HAVE GENERAL FUND BUDGETS AND ENTERPRISE FUNDS AS WELL.
THEY'RE SEPARATE, BUT ORGANIZATIONALLY, AS FAR AS THE MANAGEMENT OF THAT, YOU COULD HAVE MORE THAN ONE UNDER THE MANAGEMENT OF A DIRECTOR THAT HAS A GENERAL FUND UNDER HIM AS WELL.
YEAH, COMBINING ALL THE RESOURCES, BLENDING THE BUDGETS, THAT DOESN'T WORK WHEN YOU HAVE AN ENTERPRISE IN A GENERAL.
THEY HAVE TO BE DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
>> ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS OF CHANGING THAT AT ALL?
>> COULD YOU POSSIBLY DIRECT ME TO SOME OF THAT INFORMATION?
>> AS FAR AS LIKE CHANGING ENTERPRISE TO GENERAL FUND?
>> THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A CONVERSATION TO HAVE OUTSIDE OF HERE, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN OBLIGATIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MET AS IT PERTAINS TO GENERAL RESERVE REQUIREMENTS, BRINGING IN DEPARTMENTS THAT STILL HAS OUTSTANDING DEBT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S GASB RECOMMENDATIONS AND GUIDANCE ON WHAT DEPARTMENTS ARE ENTERPRISE AND WHAT ARE GENERAL FUND.
IT'S NOT JUST LIKE, DO WE WANT TO THROW A GENERAL FUND LABEL ON IT OR ENTERPRISE LABEL? ALL THAT'S PROVIDED THROUGH A GENERAL ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES THAT ARE PROVIDED TO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.
>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT LEGAL FRAMEWORK CONTROLS THAT? IS THAT JUST CITY MUNICIPAL CODE THAT CONTROLS THAT?
>> THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS. FINANCE HAS A LOT OF THOSE RESOURCES THAT COULD POINT TO WHY THIS IS THE ACCEPTED MODEL TO DO THAT.
WE DID LOOK AT GOLF COURSE, WHEN YOUR FUND IS LARGELY REVENUE GENERATED, THAT'S WHAT BRINGS ON THE ENTERPRISE MODEL VERSUS A GENERAL FUND MODEL.
BUT THERE'S OTHER FACTORS INVOLVED.
>> I'M DONE. [INAUDIBLE] KNOWS HOW I FEEL [LAUGHTER].
>> GUESS WE WOULD KNOW WHERE, NEVER MIND.
>> AT THE NEXT APRIL 15TH MEETING IS WHEN THEY'LL LIKELY MAKE THAT FORMAL APPROVAL.
HASN'T BEEN DONE YET, TO SOMEONE'S POINT.
THEY JUST REACH CONSENSUS WHEN THEY'RE INTO SUNSHINE LAW IT'S THE ONLY TIME THAT THEY CAN OPENLY TALK ABOUT WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON, IDEAS THAT THEY MAY HAVE.
YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT'S A LIMITED TIME TO MAKE A DECISION.
THAT'S WHY IT DOES COME BACK FOR A FORMAL VOTE TO GIVE TIME TO ASSIMILATE.
WE'VE RECENTLY SEEN SOME THINGS GET RESCINDED OR RECONSIDERED, AND THEN THEY CHANGED THEIR POSITION.
BUT THIS WILL COME BACK FOR A FORMAL VOTE ABOUT APRIL 15TH.
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BUT I WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW BEFOREHAND.>> THANK YOU. BUT IT IS DONE DEED.
>> NOT UNTIL THERE'S A VOTE, BUT THERE WAS CONSENSUS AT THE LAST MEETING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH COMBINING A FEW BOARDS AND THIS WAS ONE OF THEM.
>> THANKS AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
>> COULD I ASK MR. MICHAELSON. COME UP NOW, SIR.
>> WELL, I'M ADDRESSING OF YOU THERE, BUT IT'S MY IMPRESSION.
THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF THE NORTH NINE AT THIS POINT.
BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND QUITE THE MOVEMENTS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF THAT?
>> YEAH, I HAVE NO SENSE OF THAT.
IS THAT THIS WOULD BE THE END OF THE NORTH 9.
JEFFREY AND I WORKED VERY CLOSELY TOGETHER.
THIS MIGHT GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN SOME OF THAT STUFF COMES UP IN PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY MEETINGS REGARDING THE GOLF COURSE, AND HOW THAT BOARD IS DEVELOPED.
IF THERE'S TWO EXTRA PEOPLE ADDED TO THAT BOARD THAT ARE WITH THE GOLF COURSE, THEN THOSE INDIVIDUALS WILL BE SPEAKING UP FOR THE GOLF COURSE AS WELL.
MY POINT IS THAT US WORKING CLOSELY TOGETHER AND THEN DEVELOPING THESE AGENDAS, IS WE WOULD HAVE GOLF COURSE INFORMATION ON OUR AGENDAS, AS WELL AS PARKS AND RECREATION STUFF.
LIKE MR. GLISSON SAID, THE GOLF CONVERSATIONS WOULD BE TAKEN PLACE, THE WAY I'M ENVISIONING IT, IT WOULD JUST BE ONE MEETING.
I THINK MAKING THE COMMENT THAT I DON'T SEE THAT THIS IS THE END OF THE NORTH NINE. I DO NOT SEE THAT.
>> I WANT TO TRY SOMETHING REALLY TRICKY HERE.
I'M GOING TO ADDRESS IT UP FRONT FIRST.
THIS IS RHETORICAL SO IN OTHER WORDS, I'M NOT ASKING YOU A QUESTION, AND SECOND, THIS IS HUBBLE LEVEL. THIS IS WAY UP.
I'M GOING TO USE WE RATHER THAN YOU? SHOULD WE CONSIDER SUSPENDING ALL CAPITAL EXPENDITURES FOR PARKS AND REC AND THE GOLF COURSE UNTIL WE DECIDE WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THE TOTAL PARKS AND REC TO INCLUDE THE GOLF COURSE? HERE'S AN EXAMPLE. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS RHETORICAL.
WHY ARE WE EVEN LOOKING AT THE WELL? WHY WOULD WE SPEND ANY MONEY ON IT UNTIL WE HAVE A PLAN? SINCE IT'S NOW FOLDED INTO PARKS AND REC, AND IF THAT'S THE GOOD DEAL.
SHOULDN'T WE THINK ABOUT WHERE WE WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY? MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND IT AT THE GOLF COURSE, MAYBE WE CAN SPEND IT AT A NEW OR UPGRADED REC CENTER.
JUST A THOUGHT, PLEASE, DON'T FEEL ANY PRESSURE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ONE TO ASK.
>> THERE WAS A QUESTION TO ASK, RHETORICAL OR NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE HERE AS WELL.
THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF STUDIES, IDEAS, PLANS, AND YOU HAVE A CHANGE IN COMMISSION, AND SOMETIMES THOSE IDEAS PLANS REOCCUR.
THERE'S A SENSE OF, WELL, LET'S NOT FIX THAT BECAUSE WE MAY DO THIS.
THEN A LITTLE BIT LATER, LET'S NOT PUT MONEY INTO THAT BECAUSE WE MAY DO THIS.
THEN SUDDENLY EVERYONE LOOKS AROUND.
IT'S LIKE, WHY IS EVERYTHING SO RUN DOWN? BECAUSE YOU DEFERRED MAINTENANCE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS ON THE HOPES OF SOMETHING NEW THAT WILL HAPPEN.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE WATERFRONT PARK FOR DECADES, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT REPLACING CITY HALL FOR A WHILE.
THE ATA STREET OPENINGS FINALLY HAPPENING.
WE TALKED ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME AND AS IT SHOULD, THERE SHOULD BE A LOT OF CONVERSATION INVOLVED WHEN YOU'RE MAKING A MAJOR COMMUNITY CHANGE.
BUT WHEN YOU STOP MAINTAINING WHAT YOU HAVE, BECAUSE OF MAYBE WE WILL DO SOMETHING, THEN SUDDENLY YOU FIND YOURSELF IN STATE OF DISREPAIR.
ONE THING THAT I PERSONALLY FIND TO BE IMPORTANT IS YOU DON'T DEFER YOUR MAINTENANCE, YOU TAKE CARE OF WHAT YOU HAVE.
ONCE YOU SIGN ON THE LINE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, THEN YOU CAN MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE NEED TO REPLACE THE BOARDWALKS, WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE WELL.
WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE UNTIL THERE'S A COMMITMENT TO GO DO SOMETHING ELSE, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES IT'S TALK, AND IT DOES THERE'S NO FOLLOW THROUGH.
WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE UNTIL WE ARE TOLD NO LONGER NOT TO.
>> I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE OTHER THING TO THAT, TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE.
LISTEN, THIS CITY HAS SUCH A GREAT COMMUNITY.
[00:55:03]
IT SERVICES EVERYBODY WELL.I'M TELLING YOU THAT FIVE YEARS AGO, I WAS GIVEN THE TASK, AND I MEAN THIS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO EVERYBODY HERE.
I WAS GIVEN A TASK TO MAINTAIN BABE RUTH WITH THE HELP OF PARKS AND REC.
BECAUSE OF THAT, 25 YEARS OF NOT DOING ANYTHING, WE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT IN IT BETWEEN PARKS AND REC AND DEPARTMENT AND BABE RUTH TO UPGRADE IT TO WHAT IT IS TODAY.
IT'S ONE OF THE BETTER FACILITIES BECAUSE WE DECIDED AS A GROUP THAT THIS WAS WORTH MAINTAINING AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE DO RIGHT NOW IS TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE AND DO THE BEST WE POSSIBLY CAN TO ENSURE THAT IT'S A WORKING CONDITION.
I'M TELLING YOU THAT GOLF COURSE AND EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS ABOUT IT IS IN THE BEST IT'S EVER BEEN.
IT'S CONTINUALLY GROWING WITH MORE MEMBERS AND BETTER REVENUE.
THAT'S BECAUSE OF WHO WE HIRED AND HOW WE'RE RUNNING THAT GOLF COURSE NOW IS A BUSINESS.
IT'S COMING OUT TO BE THAT BECAUSE WE'VE IMPROVED THE GROUNDS.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS.
>> YOU HAVE, BUT A LOT PART OF IT WAS THE CITY STAFF BUDGETING MONEY THAT WAS DESPERATELY NEEDED TO MAKE UP FOR PAST NEGLECT.
>> EXACTLY. I LIKE EMPLOYMENT ON THAT TOO.
>> BUT WE CAN'T KEEP GOING IN THE PAST.
WE HAVE TO KEEP GOING TO THE FUTURE AND DO WHAT WE CAN.
MAYBE IT'S NOT AS GREAT AS WE WOULD LIKE IT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN A WAY THAT IT ENSURES THAT WE'RE NOT IN A NEGATIVE SIDE, BUT WE'RE ON THE POSITIVE SIDE OF IMPROVEMENT.
>> I JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT WE'RE CONTINUING.
>> I JUST WANT TO FINISH MY COMMENT.
>> I GOT IT. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING CLEAR WITH MY RHETORICAL COMMENT. I APOLOGIZE.
IN OTHER WORDS, BUYING NEW EQUIPMENT.
DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MAINTENANCE?
>> YEAH, I GOT ONE OTHER THING.
TOM RECOMMENDED THERE'D BE TWO PEOPLE, I GUESS, OFF OF THIS OR JUST TWO PEOPLE REPRESENTING THE GOLF COURSE.
IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? SCOTT ARE YOU GOING TO, I KNOW YOU CAN'T MAKE SURE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT I MEAN I'D HATE TO DISCONTINUE THIS.
WE GO IN AND NO GOLF COURSE PEOPLE ARE ADDED TO THE PARKS AND RECS.
>> JEFFREY AND I WILL MAKE SURE.
>> YEAH. I WOULD FEEL A LOT BETTER IF WE HAD TWO PEOPLE.
I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE PEOPLE EVEN PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, BUT TWO PEOPLE THAT NOTICED.
JEFFREY AND I WILL WORK VERY CLOSELY.
>> THEY'RE GOOD. SOMETIMES GET RID OF THIS.
NEXT THING WE KNOW, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO ADD TWO PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE.
I UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY GET READY TO DO SOMETHING, YOU CAN PUT YOUR NAME IN A HAT OR WHATEVER, BUT IT DON'T NECESSARILY MEANS GOING TO, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCONTINUE THIS, AND I'M SURE THE AIRPORT IS ANOTHER ONE, WHEN THEY'RE HANDLING WITH THE FAA, YOU DEFINITELY PEOPLE ON THAT.
>> THIS WAS HIM COMING TODAY TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
>> I WANT TO ALSO SAY THAT THE GOLF COURSE IS IMPROVING, AND WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO.
>> WE HAVE THAT BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET LOST IN THE PARKS AND RECS.
>> WELL, I'M GOING TO SAY THIS ON RECORD.
YOU WILL NOT GET LOST IN PARKS AND REC BECAUSE I'M THE CHAIRPERSON FOR THAT.
BECAUSE I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE NEED THOSE TYPES OF PEOPLE TO ENLIGHTEN US AND KEEP US KNOWN WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE GOLF COURSE AND HOW WE CAN IMPROVE IT.
>> LYNN AND MICHAEL, YOU TO SERVE ON THAT? THAT WAS WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS THE MEN'S AND WOMEN'S ASSOCIATION REPS WOULD BE ON IT.
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>> MY ANSWER IS, IF ELECTED, I WOULD BE PROUD TO SERVE, BUT I'M NOT THE PERSON WHO WOULD MAKE THAT DECISION FOR THE MEN'S GOLF ASSOCIATION, THAT WOULD BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE MEN'S GOLF ASSOCIATION AND THE BOARD.
>> THEY WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY MAY MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU TO BE.
>> ONLY THING I REPRESENT IS JEREMIAH THORN.
>> ONE LAST QUESTION FOR MR. MICHAELSON.
HOW MANY PICKLE BALERS ARE ON THAT BOARD RIGHT NOW? [LAUGHTER]
>> NINE OF THE EIGHT MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
>> HOW MANY PICKLE BALLERS DO YOU KNOW?
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PLAY PICKLE BALL.
>> I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS A PARKS AND RECREATION TAKING OVER THE GOLF COURSE.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S TWO SEPARATE BUDGETS, THERE'S GENERAL FUND BUDGET, AND THEN THERE'S THE ENTERPRISE.
YEAH, I DON'T SEE THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THAT. I JUST DON'T SEE THAT.
>> I THINK ONE OF THE HARD THINGS IS IT'S BEING SAID THEY'RE BEING COMBINED, BUT WHAT I ALWAYS HAVING LIVED THROUGH THIS MYSELF FROM WHEN I WAS WORKING, WE WOULD COMBINE DEPARTMENTS.
WE WOULD HAVE A VERY CLEAR PLAN AS TO AND USUALLY DID INVOLVE STAFF BEING LET GO.
THAT'S YOUR BIGGEST EXPENSE IN ANY OPERATION.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFICS AS TO HOW IT'S GOING TO BE DONE, EXCEPT SAYING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD WHO HAVE TIMELINE WHEN WILL START.
>> YEAH, SO WE WOULD WORK THROUGH ALL THAT.
JEFFREY AND I WERE JUST TALKING A LITTLE BIT DURING THE MEETING IS EACH ONE OF THESE AGENDAS THAT WE PUT FORWARD WOULD HAVE GOLF RELATED STUFF ON.
JUST AS WE'RE DOING NOW, MAYBE THESE MEETINGS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
BUT WE WOULD HAVE GOLF RELATED STUFF THAT'S ON IT AS WELL AS PARKS AND RECREATION STUFF ON IT.
>> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS BY ANYBODY? THANK YOU, SIR.
>> NO ONE THE BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS BY ANYTHING ELSE?
[10. BOARD MEMBER COMMENT]
>> WHAT'S THE HAD TOO MUCH PHONE.
>> IT'S BEEN THE LAST MEETING.
>> I ENJOYED SERVING WITH YOU ALL.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE.
YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT CHAIR. APPRECIATE IT.
>>> THANK YOU. ON THAT NOTE, I MAKE A MOTION WE ADJOURN.
I ASSUME FOR THE LAST TIME, BUT MAYBE NOT.
MAYBE THEY'LL GET DEFEATED THREE TO TWO.
TIMMY PORNER MIGHT COME THROUGH.
WHO KNOWS? FOR THAT. I WANT TO ADJOURN.
>> I'LL SECOND THAT. [LAUGHTER]
>> THANK YOU ALL. I APPRECIATE IT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.